New Rory & MAL - Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 9/22

Episode Date: September 28, 2025

This week on New Rory & Mal Cardi B's album passes the vibe test, Nicki Minaj can't help herself and try to take the spotlight from Cardi after her big week, someone is going to get sued for the new Kanye doc, and do we really need a new Gunna + Offset collab album? #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm always happy to see you. I like when I got a nigga eat his words. What words would I be here? Oh, I'm at the edge of my seat. I'm starving. I just get right to it. What words are I got to eat? I got it.

But I need a napkin? What's up? Yeah. I need some. Niggas was hating on the Bronx baddie. The bodega baddie. The bodega baddied, niggas was hating. Who?

Me? When I was hating, last week, I said I got a feeling the album's going to be dope. Did I not say that? I don't remember them words, but I, okay, maybe I missed her. That's the problem. No, no, no, that's the problem. You never remember. You never remember that part, but you remember when somebody talking shit.

Now, remember me saying that I said, you, I got a feeling that Cardi's album's going be dope. Well, I will start by eating some of my words. I was worried that the rollout felt a little rushed, even by Cardi's words, the artwork outside. It was just like, all right, this feels a little weird. What a flawless fucking rollout that they did. I thought the rollout was incredible for the time that they had. Oh, yeah, the rollout was. They smoked it. I mean. So I eat my words in saying, this feels rushed. I don't really know, like, is she on the same page as the label? They smoked this entire rollout. So I will start by saying, I eat my words. This was Atlantic, Cardi, this was an incredible rollout.

You guys did a great, great job. Can I shit on what you're saying, no? Absolutely. It's songs in there that don't, up and why don't need to be on this album. Let's just be real. Like, the album is dope without those records. She's already, she's already addressed that those are two of her biggest songs and they need somewhere to live.

And I understand that. No, no, no, no. We know, okay, we know what that's about. I'm just saying, and listening to the music. I don't care about numbers and the game. I don't care about that part of it. just listening to the music. I feel like it was enough good songs on this project

to where those two didn't even need to beat it. Okay. I know you don't care about the numbers, but it is a stat to go platinum within the first hour, which I need to know. I don't even think that. That's like averaging the most triple doubles on Halloween. Who cares about that?

Who cares about these. Is it an important game on Halloween? Nobody cares about, is the music good. Yes, this Cardi album is good. I enjoy it. Oh, so you know, thank you. I do want to address that. because at 1205, the group chat was going off

and niggas was being funny in the group chat. I just left. I hate my notifications and I put my headphones on. I don't like you doing that because people are actually going to believe you. Who was being funny? I didn't say a word in that group chat. Cut it out, cut it out, cut it out.

No, we cut it out. Oh, no, no, no, no. We don't have to cry out. I started listening when it came out. And then when I heard Cardi say ABC, D, EFG, these bitches can't fuck with me. I turned it off. I didn't go back to the album until Sunday.

I didn't after her ABC the EFG these bitches can't fuck with me I was like I was like I was the Ode to Wayne I was like I'm cool I'm gonna go back to J Alec for a second let me get you know my my bars once I got my bars I was like Sunday clean and I was like all right let me let me hear what Cardi did she got some joints in there there's some joints on that out my ain't going on carty got some joints in there we didn't have to wait seven years like car didn't have to make me wait seven years for this but the music is the music is dope I can hear parties pin You know he can't You gotta throw some hair Gotta sprinkle some hate out there

Like black people do party No it's not it's not hate I could Party A'd be up Let's just make a real right there I don't think that I don't think party wrote I don't think party wrote that

I don't think party wrote that I can hear it I can hear his flow Some songs But I don't think party wrote that We're not doing that I guarantee you party wrote balls I can hear the flow

I can hear it Like I could almost hear him his sample track. Alcoma was hearing him like laying it down and then her going in the lane. Cardi, Cardi put out a video. She's since deleted it, but put out a video of her. I don't know whether it was that. What is it?

Pretty and petty? Beer, don't even be it. Just stay where you at. So listen, yo, so I was in bed. Now, mind you, I came out at 12. I went to San Diego with Alex. I was drunk, toe up. So I woke up around like 12, 30 and was like, oh shit, I'll out.

Put a headphone in, hungover, in my bed, laying down. And I'm just like bumping. I'm listening. Whatever. I'm listening. marking off with songs I like and then I just hear like name five beer songs I said oh shit

I like sat up and bed it was like not a hidden be a dance like we ain't rolled at out we didn't tell nobody that was coming she just started catching stray okay like I said party is credited for writing on pretty and petty I can hear it and it's okay I don't give it I'm not even here for that the music is good

but party got somebody he got that beer kind of crazy you're talking about being kind of crazy you can hear it I can hear the flow to cadence I know parties cadence, I can hear it. Like, I know that's not Cardi. That's party. I'm sure that Cardi...

You're not saying she didn't write on it. I'm not saying she didn't write on it. I'm like, let's clarify. I'm just saying certain bars, I can hear partisan flow. Like, you can, you can, that shit is, when you know, listen to certain pins, you know what it is.

I hear his flow on the, on the chorus. That chorus does give party. I can't even lie. I'm halfway through the album just quickly. He's credited on every single song, and I'm halfway through it. I could hear the pen. And it's okay.

It's fine. I don't want anyone to think. The music is, I don't give a, the music is good. Like, I don't care about the pen. The delivery was dope. The music is good. It's a good album. That's it.

It ain't nothing. Platinum in the first day week. I don't give a fuck about that. That's industry shit. I don't care about that. Again, I think, yeah, party would be good at structuring the song. But we've discussed before, like when Cardi says shit, like I like Balenciagas, the ones that look like socks.

That's definitely something Cardi said in the studio and party just found a way to put it into a cadence. I'm sure anything she said about beer that was straight from Cardi's brain and how she felt about beer. First of all, that shit had me crying laughing. Like, this is, I love a diss that's like a roasting session. Like, and I don't have anything that's beer, but I love a dish that's a roasting session. Like, you third, how you 32 with acne on your face, you dirty ass bitch going change your pillowcase?

That's part of it right that. That's girl shit. Cardi said that change in pillowcase. When she said diarrhea beer, breath so stink, you can smell it for you. How was fun? That's so. That's funny. It's funny.

is fun. Now that's party and that's why beer got smoked with party. Is that a Cardi again, I think that's Cardi saying that shit in the studio. Cardi said her breath stink. Party said diarrhea beer. That's partisan partying and it's okay. We're not tripping about none of that.

We don't know that to be a fact. We just don't. We just don't. Right, man. We really don't know. I really, I don't know. He's credit on every song. I'm not about taking anything away from party. Cool. But I just think that's how it goes with Cardi. Good album. Because she's hilarious. Let's not, let's not act like

outside of loving hip hop, her on whatever Instagram or what Vine, whatever the fuck was going on at that time. It was her being hilarious. No, Cardi, she's a Bronx shit. You don't think that you got to be able to snap coming from the Bronx, bro. You don't think Cardi can come up with Diary of Bea because I definitely think she can't. Matter of fact, I can see Cardi doing that before Party doing that. She said, you, you a big lap dog, be a be a Labrador.

It was so funny. Bro, I laugh. I was in bed in tears like randomly. And then the smoke for JT, the smoke for JT, where she was. She said, my nigga might cheat, but I don't fuck him in the ass with Dildos. My nigga might cheat on me. We didn't need to know that. But at least I don't fucking like that.

Now, that Cardi wrote that. Party didn't write that. I hope that's not partisan. I hope he wouldn't have that information. Art is our. Bro. I hope party wouldn't have that information on his desk. It's a non-fictional.

I was like, yo, what the fuck? But long story short, I really, really enjoy this album. Like, I enjoy that Jenna Jackson, Projectsia Principal sample. That should have been a single. should not have. You could have kept that imaginary player joint. That should the pleasure principle should have been, that's the single. I'm sure that's going to be the focus in those shooter video. That shit was in that song. That's really good. That's crazy, bro. That song is great. We didn't need the whole scene. We didn't need that.

I didn't need a magic record. It was a Nick show. We didn't need that. I like, and I didn't think I would. I like the imaginary players. I like it way more in the flow of the album. And that really had. I like it. I like it in the album. No, I still don't like it. That's fine. But I do like that. That pleasure. The principal, fucking, I haven't turned that shit off. Like, when I heard it. What's the, what's the album? What's the song was she, uh, well, shit, probably the whole album, but what's the song

was she a getting at, oh, man of your word. Oh, she went crazy. He killed, uh, offset on that too. Like, why Cardi tell, why Cardi tell party all that about offset? Stop. Like, you know, they had like a sit now. They probably had breakfast, lunch together and was like, yo, so what's going on? And party, he just taking, he's the noggle for, he's taking all of that.

And then he's going back to the lab. And he went and laid some of those balls down. What I like about Man of Your Word is that Cardi took accountability for the part that she may have played. Yeah, I thought that was nice. The dissolution of her marriage. Like maybe I wasn't the person you needed to be. Maybe I was too focused on my music. I was too focused on this.

I'm sorry. I want the best for you. Like I think that that was very mature of her. Like you can see her growth in the way that she thinks about things. I love that. At 23, I would. Love my work more than I did she. I get it.

I like the accountability on it. Now, if you're offset, are you mad at party? Yeah, he got to see me. Nah, he's at, he's at work. He got to see me. That's not personal. That's my, I'm hired to do this. Don't write, don't write.

Don't. See, that would have been the only, because if I'm, if I'm offset, I'm going to the credits on that record, just to see if he's credited for writing on it. He's credited for writing on that. So now he got to tell me which bars he wrote. Either way, I got an issue if I'm offset. I got an issue a party. That just, that's how.

the game go. You in the car when somebody shooting at me? When I see you in Target going to get deodorant, you think it's not lit? Yeah, but I was hired to be in that car. I don't get what fuck. It's lit. If I catch you outside of that car that was in when they shot at me, you got be expecting, you went along

for the ride. What if it's not a car? What if you were the bus driver? I'm not seeing... Like, what if you're just it came on your car and you just driving? I'm not seeing him being credited on You don't know his real name, that's well. I do know his real name. He's not credited on here. On, on I'm in your word.

Okay. He's not? No. Okay. Just one to the Apple music credits. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, again. I might write that whole joint. I do think, as someone that has obviously talked about her having ghost writers, I do think, well, not ghost writers, credited writers. I do think. Credited writers. Yeah. Not ghost writers.

Cardi does, like, I've talked to people that have worked with her. She does write. No, I know she writes. Yeah. She absolutely done that. I don't want to do that. And this has nothing to do with the past of this podcast and her or cleaning anything up. She writes.

So we need to give her that credit as well in that regard. She could have wrote this entire thing for the man of my word shit. But you would think that because what party did with the Meg the Stallion shit. That's his bag. Like he went fucking nuts on that. That would be the person I would call it to be like, yo, you need to help me write this disc record to my significant other. Yeah. I call Bryson.

Bryson would be good, too. I still call Bryson. But yeah, long, long story short, the album is good. If I was two, y'all are, people say I'm biased, so I'll, I'll give a critique just so that people know I am not biased. I genuinely like the album. It could have been shorter for me. And if it was going to be this long.

Yeah, whopping up, shouldn't have been on it. It's not even no, too. You mean it is? You didn't need a last two on the album for a reason. You didn't need imaginary players album released live edition? No, I didn't. Not even, not, like, for example, so, and I know that it's not, I know that it's a me issue because the songs that I don't like, I've seen online people rant and raving about them,

I would have just rather had it replaced with the two singles or the two little teasers that she put out before the album came out, like the like what freestyle. But I know some of those samples might not have been able to get cleared. So that might not, that might be why they're not on there. But there's a couple that I just don't need. But she has a wide array of fans that she has to satisfy. I don't need the Lizzo record. I don't need the, what's Spanish short of? Selena Gomez record. I don't need those, but again, she has a fan base that those records are for.

You need Bodega Baddy? I fucking love Bodega Baddy. How do you love Bodega Baddy but not pick it up? I love Bodega Baddy. You're bugging. I'm bugging. I'm just saying, how do you love Bodega Baddy but not pick it up? Oh my God.

That shit going to go crazy uptown. I'm going to knock all the hookahs over with my ass. I'm going to go crazy. Yeah, I just didn't. I mean, that might be one of my, I might be my favorite on the project. I love it. That's your favorite song on the whole house. I view this as what's going to make women have fun at parties.

That's how I view party B music. That's going to go nuts. That's how I view this with that type of ear. I also kind of want like Tyler's rap album. Yeah, Tyler was getting her shit off. She was getting a little bars off on that shit. Tyler got her bars off. I was not expecting that.

I was hoping it wasn't going to be just the typical Afro beats song. So you could live with this album is what you're saying. What do you mean live? Like you're going to continue to play it and listen to it. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It's okay to say no. You don't listen to female rap.

You don't, that's not what you listen to on your date. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's okay to say no. I'm going up. He's so scared. Scared on what? Cardy, nigga, Belcalese. That's what you're scared of, nigga.

You have seen my, my conversations with her. No. Direct. No, not scared at all. It's this nigger scared. And that, see, now, this is where I don't like you guys misrepresenting. Because now people are going to think. that and if you go through every message I've ever had from voice note to message. No, I've never

even... No, I don't want to go. I don't want to go through that. Well, yeah, I'm crack it up. He was there for one of them. I think Rory does like the album, but he's not going to live with it. That's not, y'all don't listen to female rap on a daily baby. Yeah, I like, I'm not going to live with it though. I'm like, I'm not going to play. But it's, I was, I had to listen to it. And then she did a good job. She definitely, like, did a good job with the album. I don't think we had to wait seven years for it. But then a lot has happened. This is not the album that she made seven years ago. There might be a little track down there. She definitely changed a bunch of joints on here for sure. But again, you know, timing is everything. And she went through some things and she made, it made for, you know, good content. It made for good, good lyrics and things like that. So she did what she had to do. I'm not mad at it. Good project. She didn't, she didn't disappoint me. I won't say, I can't speak for anybody else, but she didn't disappoint me with this. What do you mean by, by, by Liv? It doesn't necessarily have to be a party thing. I'm just, no, I'm just curious what that, what that means. You're not playing Bodega Baddy in the Chris.

by myself. Yeah. No, I'm not. Okay. No way. But, like, I'm driving up to a, I'm going upstate to a wedding this weekend with people. There's going to be women in the car. Like, I'll definitely put this on.

Like, I'll put the whole album on. If I'm in a car with women, of course I would. Me just like chilling, like, on my way to the office in the Holland Tunnel. No, I'm probably not going to throw this on. You know who's setting the vibes with the women. No, so. I'm not known for this. I'm known for ruining this.

Yeah, literally. Literally. If I had to get, for people, No, Cardi, we need that principle, yo. We need that video, though. Yeah. Like, what's up? Like, why you give us an imaginative?

That's the single. But, but I can understand. What they did? Why they gave us imaginary before? That's the single. Well, the single that led the album rollout, well, led the album release, was safe by Kaylani, which I do think should have been a single, right?

Yeah, I like that. It's a great song. It's one of the standouts for the album. The video, they were very cute. in the video. Parti was on her acting bag. She got shot and killed. Like, it's a very interesting, and it's a good video.

So I would say that the standouts for the album for people who are not current fans. Which I think the video smell like, though. Lavender. It's a lot of silk, right? Silk, lavender. Got to be lavender when you see silk. Absolutely. Right?

Yes, I know that set smell great. But I could also see, you know, with the post-promotion being so important now that they may be trying to book Janet for the video. I'm not saying that could happen. I could see like, all right, let's go with the Kalani one. We can shoot the video. It'll go out the week of. That buys us some time to try to lock down Janet to make this, the following single.

Yeah. Because either way, that joint is going to be a focus track for the next few weeks. I will hope so. Like, that record is fire. If you could get Jan, like, even Janet as a cameo. Yeah. That says something. Nah, you need more than a cameo.

That's going to cause it. But if all you could get is a cameo. That's going to cause too much to get Ms. Jackson to move around for a cameo. You might as well get a fool. You might as well get some money. You might have rehearsed. Like that's a lot to get somebody. Janet got to rehearse?

Ms. Jackson? You got Ms. Jackson twisted. I think anybody would need to rehearse for a major video. I think this thing out? Is Janet Jackson? I think she just showed up to her videos? No, it's not her video. Cameo.

She knows the song. She's heard it before. Yeah, what's what I'm saying? She got to rehearse nothing. I think the standouts for the album for people who are not Cardi fans and are not going to sit through an entire Cardi album. If you want the essence of the album, I would listen to safe, man of your word, principal, the Janet sample. The other Janet sample on my back is good as fuck too.

That's a slower song. The new Bronx Anthem better than you featuring Cashgo band. Bronx Legends is everywhere. I'm just putting that out there for y'all. Oh yeah, I forgot about better than you. That right is good. Take the four train uptown, come see some of the legends. It's all good.

Pretty and Petty, which is the B-A-Diss and Err-Time. Erd Time should have come out in the summer. I'm so sad that we missed that. That was a summer record. Like, that song goes fucking crazy. But yeah, good job. I'm so fucking proud of you and so happy. Yeah.

You did a great job. Cardi! You did a great job. Now, Cardi, do me a favor and curse Rory out some more in the DMs, please. Just because I love to see him panicking when he comes in here, when you think the brims is coming together. I hate, I'm fine for the podcast to give this narrative. Yeah. That's what happened.

This nigga scared about Belkiles. I mean, there's less scary. Those could be some famous last words. That's all I'm saying. Why? I try me what am I trying okay I don't got beat her reach is is far mine's this too you want to see look look when I'm sitting there with my arm is that see more reach yeah Roy you got a bitch ass arm's spin

Jesus Christ what the fuck did I do today it's shit on Rory Day you know that everybody's celebrating it yeah shit on Rory Day Hey. Did all lift his leg? Y'all are so annoying. Cardi would like it better that way. What? Yeah.

For her album review, it would just be shit on Rory Day. Yeah. So, you know, I'm here for it. Of course, Nikki stepped right in. Oh, yeah. She couldn't let Cardi have any type of time. And announced a date in March. Which is cool.

I'm fine. I like when people don't, when people don't, do the fucking week of rollouts, especially superstars. I think it's cool to announce your album 327, 26. It's just like a convenient week. That's all I'm saying.

Okay. That's a wild time to announce. That's a hell of a lead time. We're talking about six months out? I'm here to get killed by the bars. You, Nikki is crazy. Yo, Nikki is fucking crazy. Here to get killed by the barbs today.

back to uh sometimes i wish nicky moved like the superstar that she was repeating myself once again so you don't need to do this even though cardy is having a great week cardy has delivered she's doing great why do you now you're making her your peer rather than someone that you have claimed is below you which i can say because i think niki minage is the greatest female rapper of all time accolades skill everything why do you need to announce this the week of carty shit because now now you're putting her at an equal playing field that you're trying to step on something when you don't need to do that. Yeah. You're Nikki. Yeah. Announced this shit in three weeks, four weeks. Announce the shit in January. Now Cardi is right. If she would have tanked and you would have done this

out of it and like, all right, that's petty. I'd laugh. But now that Cardi's actually having a good week and delivered, you look even crazier doing this to me. I mean, I get it. Petty is petty. Whatever. Listen, I understand what you're saying. I get it. And we understand the whole thing. But between Nikki and Cardi. Like, we notice it's a thing. Um, but it's not, like, it's not that bad of a thing to do though. Like, I get it. We understand the pettiness behind it, but it's like, it's just a date with a CD emoji.

Like, it's just a date. Like, it's just a date. Like, you know what I'm saying? That's all. Yeah. But we get the pettiness because we know- The day the UFOs go. We know the history behind it, but it's just like, it's petty.

It's, it's definitely a, it's definitely a little. I just think it, it certifies. Cardi even more. What do you mean? You got Nikki reacting about an album she's going to put out at the end of March in 26, it's September

of 2025. And just putting a date just because... Yeah? It's just a date. And I know again, this is why she told me to stick a broomstick up my ass. It's cool. I'm still sitting... Did you ever do it, though? I'm still sitting on business. Did you ever stick the broomstick? I did not.

Okay. But I just... I don't know. I just think Nikki is God tier. And sometimes Cardi A list incredible, but still proving herself. She's on her second album. She's still proving herself. Why are you even addressing this? But she, no, she don't do that. She's not addressing anything. Yes, she is. She literally just posted a date.

That's not addressing anything. She was going to tweet that no matter what, right? I don't. I'm not saying. That's not, that's not, that's not, what I'm saying. I'm just saying she's not addressing anything. All she did was post a date. If they want to rap back and forth, I don't think it matters the tier of rappers when it comes to battling.

That's cool. Whatever. But when it comes to this type of thing, yes, save it for your raps. Like, why are you even? She didn't say anything, though. It's just a date. Okay. You making it seem like she said something and she posted a date and probably logged off after that.

Let's all just play dumb. No, I'm just saying. No, I'm recognizing the pettiness behind you. Even Grock didn't agree. No, no, listen. I'm recognizing the petty. the petty energy behind it. Can we scroll down

what Grock thought it meant? Based on fan and reactions and media report, sneak menage posts 32726, appears to tease a new album released out of it sparked excitement with many speculating

her next project after Pink Friday 2. So cool, we can agree that this is an album probably. So why this week? No, listen, I'm giving you

that it's a, it's petty energy behind it. On the vision board all year they had that day to post that. You're saying, you're saying she's feeding into this and all of this things.

I am saying they're confident. She's, no. Confidently behind a mic right now. Petty energy, 100%. But I'm not mad at that though. That's, that's, it's supposed to, like, this is what we, that's like, now, if she went on there and she was shitting on Cardi's album and all these other, then it's like, damn, you ain't got to do all of that.

But, like, just releasing a date for her next album. You know, it's like, okay, that's it. We understand the pettiness behind it, but it's like, she's not saying anything else. She just posted a date, and that was it. But Nikki's career doesn't tick because of Cardi B. Of course it doesn't. So why even? Nor is Cardi's.

Because we know the nature of, you know, these two artists. Well, that too. But we know the nature of these two artists and, you know, we understand the optics and things like that. But I'm not mad at this type of shit, though. This is like, this can be good. This can be a good, like, thing. It's not negative.

It's not like, you know, Nikki is not, you know, going off on a rant and shitting on anybody. It's just a date for an album release. and that's it. Like that's good. I think that type of energy is okay because we all know what it is. Like, oh shit, Cardi's album just dropping that. She letting us know what her next album dropping.

We understand that optic of it, but it's not a negative thing. It doesn't have to be a negative thing. To me, it's similar to competitive thing. To when your man's told the proud boys, stand down but stand by. She just wanted to get all the barbs on the internet to just get in a fucking frenzy

while all this Cardi love was happening. She wanted to turn the algorithms just by simply tweeting that date. Maybe. She wanted to get all the bars with all their pitchforks ready to fucking go. Yo, Cardi's getting some love. I'm going to tweet this just to activate you. That's all that was. But I think they was activated without that, though.

I think she probably just threw a dart at a calendar and we was like, that's the day. I don't think it was 327.26. That's when we're dropping it. Went like that and was like, tweet that. Is that even a Friday? Yeah, it's Pink Friday. Fair. There you go.

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Search the Cito Show and listen now. of abandoning Amara, I did actually find some time to watch the bootleg version of the Kanye documentary. Somebody put it up on YouTube. They filmed it like in the theater and the quality was good enough to watch. Wait, this was released in theaters? Yeah. I didn't know that. That's the headline I saw and with the bootleg I saw. Yeah, can you look that up? Like it's in theaters only? I don't think it's like at the AMC and Times Square, but select theaters. Yeah. And the version I saw was somebody in the theater filming it. Like, the old Canal Street DVD tape type of thing.

I didn't know that was just in there. Actually, I might go see it now. Now that I know it's in theaters, I might give me an excuse to go to the movies. It's, I mean, I guess it's what you think it is. I don't think there was anything on there that gave me a surprise to Kanye because, you know, we've seen so many clips

and different sides of his personality. and I don't really know if it gave too much context to it, but it did show Kanye in his own element more than we've ever seen. Even more than the Genius Documentary? The Genius Documentary showed us Kanye West in the beginning of his career, in his own environment. This is post-meltdown, quote-unquote? Yeah, this is Kardashian-era type.

This is Calabasas, Yeh, into Wyoming, Ye. Okay. in the same type of context. You're seeing him in his own environment in a very genuine way. Because sometimes you be like, yo, is Kanye doing this for paparazzi? Like even I love when Cameron was like, Kanye's not crazy. I just saw him. He's fine.

I walked in there at the most sane human being. Like, he's fucking with you. This showed it in a different light. I'm not saying it gave context. I don't even know if Kanye is fully behind this entire thing. But I guess I will applaud him by. saying he didn't shy away or try to make himself look any better or add context to things, but it's, it's Kanye West in a very Paul's raw form.

I really enjoyed the doc. There's a difference between enjoying the doc and then enjoying the person that's the lead of the doc. Right. Because there's a lot of moments where, you know, he is a very destructive not only to himself, but to the people around him. And I know we joke about what I had said about game and this and that, but Kanye has been diagnosed before,

but we don't know what's accurate and what's not. You see that side of him for sure. So wait, he's not a part of this documentary at all. He has to. Should we even be supporting this? Because I'm ready to go to the theater and watch it. But if he's not a... But if he's not...

Was, I mean, was he fully behind that as well? Because I remember... You know, Kanye would never go back on his word. I remember him saying something bad about Coody and them about that. Even though he's in the doc saying, you, I got my man here that's been with me for 20 years and we want to sell this doc. But I remember Kanye being upset when that came out. So I don't know.

Okay. Judging off what happened with Genius, I don't know if Kanye pulled out, Paul's pulled out of this entire thing. Because the director, I think it was just Jules that was saying that he has been around following Kanye forever. I don't know if this was something he took upon himself after. after he stopped working with Kanye, the same way, you know, creative control did. But I don't know, it's a lot. Where the genius one has redemption

and like a real human aspect of it. This one has chaos. It makes you uncomfortable. It's a little bit scary. It gives you a lot of empathy for people that are around him. And in some degrees, empathy for him as well. not saying he's a terrible person, but he is very much destructive on purpose, it feels like. Like, he's very lucid in what he's doing. I don't think he's having complete freakouts and

meltdowns where he doesn't know what he's doing. I think he is very, very lucid in what he's doing. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's a lot. But then again, I mean, yeah, Kanye screaming at Chris Jenner, I don't like co-sign how he did all that, but if you have a real American family, if they put a camera in your fucking house would it be much different yeah I saw that clip of him it's wrong just a clip so you kind of look at it like well I looked at it like I need more context

like what was this conversation why is Kanye screaming at Chris Jenner like this but yeah that's the end I saw obviously the Michael Chea clip at SNL when I Kanye had hosted SNL at that time right yeah that was the time when he said they they bullied me for the red hat in that entire thing Yeah.

But I mean, I respected what Michael Che was saying at that time. Because there's only one black comedian when you're going on your rant. He was like, you wasn't talking about Leslie. Like who, you was talking about me. I think he had every right to do what he did. No, absolutely. Absolutely. And if you feel like somebody disrespected you and obviously you didn't have the opportunity to defend yourself or something like that,

then especially if you feel like you had a like a relationship with the person. Yeah. You would like, yo, like, you know, I didn't see anything wrong with Michael Che. I'm not going to say, I don't want the word press because press makes it feel like. I hate that too. Yeah, like don't. We had a conversation. Yeah, it's a conversation.

Michael Chee didn't press Kanye West. He had a conversation. He approached him about something he said that he didn't like. It's not a, we don't have to say press. You know, it's not like he threatened to put hands on Kanye if he said it again. And like, that's a press. Like, you know, say, keep my name out your fucking, that's a press. But Michael Che was just like, yo, that's fucked up, man.

Like, I love you. Like, why would you, you know, put me out there like that or say that about, you know, me? And, you know, it's like I can't even do nothing about it. I got to kind of just eat that. Like, that's fucked up. So I understood with Mike, as a man. That's just man's shit. As a man, you know, he's a pro semit that he knows he has a relation with that he thought was cool with him.

And, you know, just expressed that he didn't like something he said. But I didn't see anything wrong with that. This was the very frustrating, well, actually, I'm going to say that because there's been a lot of frustrating Kanye West Ereth. This one was especially frustrating because this was around the time when he started with the MAGA stuff and he was all about having dialogue. And then when someone like Van Lathen would try to have dialogue with him or somebody like Michael Che would try to have dialogue with him, everything he said before that, he would just go, but I love you. No, no, no. I'm replying to everything you just said. Yeah. in a very common.

I love you too. This doesn't take the level of way. Yeah. But what you just said was crazy. I'm replying to it. Yeah. You keep saying you want to have dialogue. That's our fucking problem.

And then anytime I retort any point you have to say, you're like, but I love you. It's like, all right. So you're just being a hypocrite on this dialogue thing that you want to keep having. No, you want to spew out insane headlines that you've read from some of your Republican friends. And then when somebody is just like, what would you mean by that? I don't think it works that way. You go, wait, but I love you. Yeah.

Fair, what are we doing here? Like, you can't even have a conversation with somebody like that. And some people are also very bad at having conversation that they deem confrontational. Like, you ever had a conversation with somebody who you could only have a deep conversation with through text? Because if you're talking to them, their response time, like in text, it's almost like they're either nervous or they're not quick enough on your feet. Like, it gives you don't know how to defend your points without time. I think people have people that have a hard time having. conversations that can be deemed confrontational.

I think it's most times because they know either they're wrong or they're lying. Yeah, I can see that. Like if you have a problem with having a conversation about something that, you know, may come across as kind of like you're confronting an issue because that's all it is. When they say confrontational, it's just I'm just confronting the issue at hand. People that have a hard time with that is they either lying or, you know, they, they know they were wrong and can't admit that they're wrong. Yeah.

And I can see that being Kanye a lot. Like, you know, he knows he was in the moment. He probably doesn't mean any harm. But then as Michael Che is saying it, he's hearing it back like, yeah, that might have been unnecessary. Like, I didn't have to put that out there like that. But I do love you. And it's like, I get that part, but you still, this was live television. Like, I work here.

Yeah. Like, you said some crazy shit. And it's just like, bro, now I got to deal with that. You leave this studio and don't have to ever come back. I have to be back here like this in a few days. These people have to see me again. But that was the first Kanye era where I felt like he jumped out the window without fully understanding or believing what he said. Like if you go to any interviews, whether he was Zane Lowe and he's talking about Polaroids and cameras and Lady Gaga and his music and the industry, Kanye will have crazy dialogue arguments with anyone.

His Breakfast Club interview, everything he said at that point is really what happened for the next 10 years when they were trying to debate him on it. When he knows what he's talking about, Kanye is great. This was the first time when he linked up with, like, Candace and Nick Fuentes, I'm not saying he didn't believe what Candace was saying. He was just not well researched on anything. So the only thing he had was what Candice said as a talking head at one point. So when he would get someone to say something back, he wouldn't have a retort because he didn't research it. That's why you get that TMZ shit when Van says that.

And he's just like, yo, I love you, bro. let me give you a hug, and Candace keeps stepping in to answer the questions, because Kanye was not well-read or well-versed on any of those points. They were just controversial, so he said that. That, to me, is where Kanye really went left, and it wasn't because it was a Republican thing. It was because he didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. Every time before that, whether you agreed with him or not, he knew what he was talking about. He was passionate.

He actually believed that shit. This time, he's saying shit on SNL and has no idea what he's talking about, and Michael Che is like, I'm trying to have a conversation. Kanye can't have a conversation on that because he doesn't know what the fuck. he's talking about. Yeah. Later on, he did start to research that shit more and, like, form a real opinion. But at this time, he was hoping Candace would step in and just, yeah, what she said.

Yeah, yeah. You just are doing this because it's controversial. But I don't know how I feel about supporting this now going to the movies and paying to see it. If you don't know he's involved, I thought niggas weren't supporting Kanye West anymore. I thought that that was like the thing like... No, you're bugging. I'm still waiting for my Hitler one, dude. I paid $25 from Joneses.

fall is his first day of fall what's up I need my boots yeah what you don't you want to go to the theaters in the booth yeah I want to go to see the doc with the hitler ones on man what's up with you send me my shit yeah but I'm not gonna say I don't support

Kanye because he's an artist and obviously he releases things we're gonna check it out we're gonna see what he has to you know say or what he's giving us so I guess that's supporting him I'm just saying if this is a doc that he didn't want say he didn't want this to come out he didn't, he doesn't, I don't know how I feel about paying to go to the theater to see it.

See, I feel like that would be in that, that's you like being supportive of Kanye. Like if Kanye was a good person, then I would maybe consider not spending my money for someone else to, you know, get money off his back, like not in not supporting that person. You don't think Kanye is a good person? But now, I don't know him personally. So let me say that. From what I've seen, what I've been presented, the information that I have, no. And so I don't care about somebody like exploiting him and I'm if it's entertaining to me, I'll go see it.

Like that's just me be honest. He doesn't, I've seen him hop on the backs of other people's tragedy just because he knew that people were going to disagree about certain things and try to make money off it and be exploitive of it. So I don't care. Okay. I respect that. Yeah. So Gunna and Offset have a collab album.

Allegedly. They announce it. Do we want that? I don't know. Maybe. They make good music. They make good music. Do you think this has to do with our theory before of everyone picking sides from down to the thug shit to the QC shit to?

I found that very specific of those two. Yes. Also based off with Offset and Cuevo and everything. Yeah. This felt like sides have been picked in Atlanta. And when they ended up on this side, they was like, why, we might as well. Might as well do an album together then. My thing is.

But listen, after Gunner's last two albums, Offset had a crazy single. this year. Yeah, but this project did okay. Let's ask the question. This looks better than I think for most of Atlanta. If anyone's clowning this, these two have had a very good year as compared to the other side that's standing on quote unquote business. All right, but why not?

Let's just ask the question that's in our face. What's up with offset in Cuevo? What about it? Like, what's up with them? Clearly they're not fucking with each other. Yeah. That's been, but that was there. I think they're like kind of, they dead it.

the beef now, but they're not... Then I think they were arguing backstage, even after they dead it for take-off's... Yeah, but like... Because this, okay, I'm not mad... Listen, Gunner's been putting out dope music. Offset has been putting out good music. Like, I mean,

Quavo, like, what's going on? Like, they... Are they never making music together again? Like, is it completely over for that? I think that's definitely over. I think they came together, even with the... So what does that mean for Quaver? arguments backstage for the takeoff memorial show.

I just, yeah, I think it's... Because now, Cuavo can't do an album we're gonna. You can't do like a collab album we're gonna. But again, I think sides have been picked through other Atlanta politics behind the scenes, and they landed on, oh, this person doesn't fuck with you, this person has... Oh, all the people we don't fuck with are the same. I don't think they're like friends, friends like that. I think they just all have common...

I don't use the word enemies, but common... friends that used to be friends, I guess. Music is in a weird place, man. What a gift to Offset. And I'm not trying to take anything away from Offset. I want to make that very clear. But what a gift. Sometimes politics will put you in the right place.

Because I don't think this is ever happening unless the politics happened. I don't think Gunn is sitting there going, can't wait to do an Offset album in the place that Gunna is in right now. And again, Offset had an amazing single this year with J.I.D. I think the project is cool. It did okay. But we're Gunna. is at right now, this would be a gift. And I think he's doing it out of spite to what happened

behind the scenes with politics and where Offset landed and where he landed. Now, I understand we could never replace Takeoff, right? But if Quavo and Offset was in a better place, for them to have an album with Gunner, we might get some crazy music out of that trio. But I mean, it was takeoff in Cuevo that went the other way and did two projects together and left Offset over here. That wouldn't even happen. God rest of dead if he was still alive. Yeah. But Offset said he confirms that he speaks to Cuevo. So offst and Cuevo speaks to him but not making no music with him. Probably not, no.

That is. But also, but I don't exactly blame them because no matter what they make, all people are going to talk about is take something's going to be missing. Takeoff is missing. Like, you know what I'm saying? Even with Takeoff and Cuevo did their shit, people would say that offset is missing. You can't be a group of three and then now it's just two of y'all and people don't hear the difference. It's like people hear.

You know, I understand what you're saying, but I'm saying if Cuevo and Offset was in a better place. Even if they were, it's, it was sound like a- I'm just saying them, too, with an album with Gunner. It's still, yeah. I see what Demersian. We're not trying to, we never ever trying to replace take-off, rest of peace. You understand that.

That's what it would, like, it would feel, yeah. It would feel weird. It would feel like Amigos album that they replaced, like, Take-Off with. It would feel weird. Let's say Take-Off was still alive, and Cuevo and Take-Off continued their duo series and added gunna, it would be weird

because it's like, well, take off right over here. So I get why that wouldn't happen. And also, they had a falling out and I'm sure, I'm speculating, but I'm sure that they probably came back together

based off the murder of their family member. I think they're still building their relationship back because they even had to speak again because of a tragedy. Yeah. I don't know if they're just running

to go make music again together. Like, no, we got cool because of this. We had to speak. because of this. We weren't probably going to speak unless this happened and God rest our family member. We're speaking now. You got to ease into that shit. That doesn't mean you can just out the gate

start making music. And Kuevo's been doing his shit. Offset, obviously, just put a project out. I think this is an Atlanta politic thing more than anything. Well, I mean, also, I'm sorry, Gunn and Offset, I'm sorry,

Gunn and Offset have made music together before, too. No, I know that. Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't think, I think they would... I just don't know if he was running to, like, do an offset album. He might not run to, I don't, I get what you're saying, but I can see this happening even if the Atlanta politics shit had never happened. Like, yes, just because Gunna doesn't need it, I think he might want to do it just because he wants to do it, him and offset make the music together. And they're friends, like... No, no, for sure. So I just think after the last two albums of Gunna's success that

the first thing in his mind, unless it was to prove a point to people behind the scenes, he wouldn't be doing this. Is Gunna the best artist in a... out of Atlanta right now? Are you talking about, like, my personal opinion or, like, checking whole boxes? I mean, I would put Jid in my personal opinion, but if you were to take being objective, yes, Gunna would definitely be better. You think Jid makes better music than Gunna? Me personally, but being objective, yes, Gunna is the best artist out of Atlanta.

I ain't going to lie, 21 Savage Smoke, all of them, niggas. Well, 21 has been... I'm not cat. been, when was the last 21? 21 is so crazy. You know I actually like really fuck with 21stations. He's just not acting. I listen to 21 Savage.

I think he's about to start being active again because he just released a song. 21 is someone that I'll stop what I'm doing to go listen to. Gunna, admittedly is not. I'll listen to it because it's, we have a podcast and it's what everyone is talking about. 21, I'll stop what I'm doing to go listen to 21 Savage. Yeah. Do we have a British rapper? That's what they identifying 21 Savage?

He is, though. He's not a British rapper, bro. Like, what are we talking about? He's British and he's a rapper. You just found out 21 Savage was British three months ago. No, not three months ago, three years ago when we all found out together. He's not a British rapper. I mean, but he sort of is.

No, he's not. I don't mean they're calling him. He shot in the UK, too, like my favorite song of last year. Skepta is a British rapper. They from the same, they're from the same. Just because he- Jigs is a British rapper. See, that's not fair. That's not fair.

Jay Huss is a British rap. That's not fair. Just because they rap with their, they rap with an accent doesn't make them more British than 21-7. No. I was joking around. 21-Savish is an Atlanta rapper. What the fuck?

Of course he's an Atlanta rapper, but he is. I can't believe that's even on that. That's hilarious. On that Wikipedia. He was born there and spent a lot of time there. He's, yeah, he is British. Like, you can't like take that from.

He is. He is not a British rapper, man. What are we talking about? I don't think they mean he's a British. They mean he's British and he's a rapper. He is. He's not an American rapper. He's a fact.

He's British. His passport does say the UK. Nicky British. Like, ain't nothing like. Y'all are fucking crazy. He moved to Atlanta at the age of seven. He's not a British rapper. What are we talking about?

If you were born in Mexico. He's not a British rapper. If you were born in Mexico and you leave at six, you're still Mexican. Like it doesn't take away from you being Mexican. Okay. What do you consider J. Cole? What that's, we're talking all countries, not cities. What do you consider J. Cole? He's a North Carolina rapper. Can we pull up where Jay Cole was born? Germany is some shit, right?

Now, put the camera, put the camera on her face. I didn't know he was born. Army base, he's American. He was born at a U.S. Army base. He's American. Frankford, West Germany. He was born on the Army base. That means of American. He was born. What are you talking about, man? He was born. Born. No, that does mean that's your American. A U.S. Army base in Germany. Doesn't matter. Not a U.S. Army base in California. A U.S. Army base in Germany. He's not German. He's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a Frank fron rapper right there. You go ahead, man. Defend that, baby. So Jay Cole is a German rapper? No. 100% of the

rapper. So how he's not a German rapper, but 21 Savage is a British rapper. Anyway. He now's anyway. I already explained me all he was born on the army base. He's American. Army base in Germany, though. It doesn't matter if you're born on the Army base. American army base, you're American. To two American parents, you're American.

Meanwhile, that nigger had two British parents. His parents weren't American. They were British. And he was born. I think his mom was from the U.S. His dad is from the U.S. Well, she moved there. So did all of us whites from Britain.

We are British citizens. You, saying that 21 is a British rapper is hilarious, bro. That is crazy. But yeah, probably 21 is a, he's probably a better artist or, damn, I'm going to have been putting out some good music, man. My personal preference is 21. We're going to, and it's not even close. But, yeah, 21 is what be my favorite.

As far as that era of Atlanta rappers, 21 is by far my favorite. Rapper or artist? Artists. By far. Okay. But I mean, gun on the last two albums, I superseded my expectations. He's been putting out a lot of good music, man.

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