New Rory & MAL - BET Awards Media Room Part 1: Jermaine Dupri, Ray Vaughn, Clarissa Shields, AZ Chike & More

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Rory and Mal spent the weekend in Los Angeles for the BET Awards and sat down with Jermaine Dupri, Ray Vaughn, Clarissa Shields, AZ Chike, Joy Taylor, and more! #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look at what J.D. Bios say. Jermaine Dupree is a Grammy-winning producer, songwriter and cultural architect. I don't want to hear it. I just didn't know that about you, bro. I don't want to hit it. Whose influence has shaped the sound of modern. Get this shit out of me.

We went Jermaine Dupre, the fucking legend. How you feeling, bro? I'm good. What's happening? Listen, man, listen, I'm going to be honest with you. I always admired your work ethic. But the last couple months, I feel like I can't open my phone and not see you working,

not see you in the studio. I know you got the Magic City thing you're doing. How are you feeling? Are you sleeping at you? old J.D? A little bit. A little bit. Yeah, a little bit. But you're working though. Yeah, yeah. You working. How far? So is the project, where we at with it? 80%, 90%. I got like 10 songs on. I don't know when I'm going to stop, though. Okay, it's one of those. Because every time I make a song, I keep saying, oh, I can make something better than

because I get to a space and I feel like I can make something better. So I'm, I got to stop myself at some point. Yeah. Or I will just keep going. But I see you, you end with people, you were Akeem Ali, who I love, Swazé. Like, you end there with people that, you we probably wouldn't think that you was going to work with, but is that purpose? Are you tapping into the new? Yeah, the goal is I think, like, as a producer, you know, and it's all right, you got to do something that keep you fresh

and keep you excited. That's probably why I can't sleep because I'm working with, you know, I'm getting a chance to work with people I ain't ever work with, so I don't know what they're going to do, and I don't know how they're going to feel when we get in the box. So it ain't like a great relationship coming. It's like my first time going in there. So it's kind of like a date, like, you're nervous a little bit.

So I'm just working with, I'm working with a lot of people that, I mean, the whole album, basically, is artists that I never did songs with. That's what I, that was my mindset to do it like that. Is that, well, because you're just a legend in every sense of the word, is that a way to kind of keep you motivated and refreshed? Like, you got that new blood, new talent in the studio? I think it's for the people. I think it's for, I think it's for y'all. I think it's for everybody out there, like, you know, people that probably, like, you know, the suave, they never, you know, I'm sure people never thought they'd see it. I was very surprised, but I like him.

I like his visual. I like him because he's a different flow in Atlanta. Absolutely. But I don't think he'd get the light that he needed. Absolutely. That's why I picked him. And you got to look at the producers that love him. Like he has a whole project with James Blake.

Yeah, yeah. There's something special when producers like you and- That's pretty much what it is. I just wanted to give people something different. I don't want people to be like, you know, they, oh, okay, it's already magic C. If you've been in Atlanta, you've been in the max C, you know exactly what to expect. Yeah. But you ain't expecting me to do all these records with these artists.

Right. You know, people thought it was going to be an album. And it started off like that where I was just going to ANR record and just get songs from people to do it like that. But I feel like that's just, that's the old way. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I don't think we've ever seen a producer do an album with his whole city only. Right.

Yeah. I ain't put nobody else on there, but people from Atlanta. I love that. Fire. I mean, Division pretty much lives at your compound and you guys made it official. Yeah. Finally. Shout out to the division.

They need to start paying rent at some point. Yeah, yeah. Now they're really there now. Yeah. So how was it now that? Obviously, you have a relationship and y'all know each other pretty well. But how was it now that it's official and they're underneath JD? I mean, I think it's just, you know, just understanding.

I think, like, you know, I don't know, because I don't know the business behind what was happening with them before. I just know what I saw. And then what I was able to be a part of and then to get an opportunity to be a part of it. Because it wasn't, that wasn't even the works when we did the last album. Like, you know, them staying where they was at. I thought was perfect for them. But when I, you know, got a heard, what? Oh, wait a minute.

Y'all done? Oh, come on. Let's figure it out. So I just think that, you know, it was just timing because I didn't even have a deal like this at the time. We did the last record. So for me to have my deal and then, you know, they deal be up. I think that's just God telling me that's a sign. Yeah.

There was a lot of talk on the timeline the past two days. Timberlin announced that he signed his first AI artist and that he's, Fully focused on that. Hey, Tim, I love you, but I love you, but come on, Tim. I threw the throw up emoji over there. A.I. JD, like, I get it, the technology, the new ever and all, but it's just certain producers that's just too legendary to touch that type of, like, if I heard J.D. had an AI girls group coming out. I would text Jayee curse him out and hang up. Oh, my.

They even have a picture in everything of this. Yeah. I mean, I get it, Jay. I get it like, you know, we're in a whole new era. the way we, you know, communicate and technology. I get it. And I understand that it is part of

the record-making industry and the song-making process with technology. But it's some things just out of bounds. Like, it's like we can't go that far. Yeah, see, I had to look at it for a bunch of different ways, right? I got in that.

I took a ride in the waymark. Y'all took a trip in the Raymark. I saw you post that. I was laughing at all the time. I don't know. Listen, it might be, you know, like, if you get in that car, it might be like,

music for that car. Like, I don't know what, what his game is. I don't know what the whole thing is, but I'm just saying, like, it's a world out there. I guess they might have to have music for that world. Just our world, right? Right. Get, walking around touching people. Like, you just said, JD, they got you out working. I feel like, you know, that ain't, that, this ain't for that person or whatever that thing is, for the AI character. I just feel like it might be a world out there that I'm not privy to. I don't think, I don't know, none of us are maybe that we don't know that you got to go into this virtual world and they got radio stations. I know like somebody, they asked me to do like Grand Theft Auto and they were saying like

Drake got his own radio stations on Grand Theft Auto. The way that they getting ready to do it is that Drake can actually upload music that we probably ain't never even heard online or whatever else on that video game. So I'm just saying you got to think. But that's a little different. That's like a playlist for a video game. Yeah, but I'm saying it's still inside that game. Like you got to get on your thing to actually play the music.

You can't get in the car and hear it. Right. I mean, you could if they take it. But I'm saying they're actually trying to make it where it's just like you got to get in the car that's hunting that Grand Theft Auto to hear these songs. Right. So that's what I'm saying. So it's kind of like if he does it say if they got an AI radio station or something like that and you only hear the music over there. I don't know. I'm just thinking like I'm trying to make it cool. See, wait. So let me take the thumbs down back. Is it? Keep it. Keep it down. What I thought was it was an AI artist. It is. But I'm just saying. But I think there is great stuff with AI. can help with Pro Tools. Like, there is stuff with music. I think AI is very important and helping real artists. But when you go this far

where it is something that's completely made up and then also where do you draw the line? I mean, I think it's the same thing as stream. Like, I think like when they start saying streaming and they stop telling you how many records people sold, or they said like,

or this person stream and they sold blah, blah, blah. Selling and streaming is two different things. I think like, if you're going to have that conversation about streaming, just say how many streams they got. Stop saying the stream. equals this because when you do that, then you're like, you're not talking about streaming no more.

Now you're coming back into this world that, you know, these GNX people feel like it's the dinosaur era, right? So I'm saying the same thing. I feel like if they, and I think that's where the mistake happened. I think he introduced this in a world that ain't even into AI. Yeah, yeah. Right? So it's confusing to a lot of people.

But if he introduced that at like a computer conference or at the Apple situation, it makes sense to them. It makes sense to them. be like, oh my God, right? That's what I think the confusion comes. I just think we got to wait and see. I don't think you can introduce an AI artist to be in the world. I'm sure they'll find a way by 2026.

That's what I'm saying. But you think maybe it could put producers and artists at risk, like, for example, with the AI shit, they could take your whole catalog and upload it to this girl that is now Timberlin's AI artist. And she can take all that information and spit it out in a different way where you wouldn't even, it wouldn't be a sample. You wouldn't get any pub royalties, but they can literally just take a catalog. No, they're going to fix all that.

That's what I'm saying. They ain't going to ready to just slide like that. You know, like I got the new song with me, T.I and the turnaround record. I tried to upload it yesterday, the TikTok. And I guess because it's got a sample in it, they flag me. The song ain't even out yet. So I don't think they on all that. They're not getting ready.

That's great. Song ain't out yet and they flagged them for the sample. But even like if you look at Chad GBT of people like using that to create lyrics, there's no sample in that. ChatGBTbt just has all the information. of the internet. Yeah, but I... So it just makes them smarter.

Listen, let me say, I say this. Hopefully it opens the door for people to have more jobs. Yeah. People sit at their desk and try to figure out or whatever they got to do. I just think that it's a different world. I think it's a world idea that we probably don't know about, like I said. Like I'm asking, I don't ask everybody about the Waymore and everybody like, I don't know if I'm getting into it.

They're riding around here crazy. Yeah. Especially in L.A. Outside, they were 100 different cars. That means like, ain't nobody jumping in them, but they're out here. They're moving. So that means, like, it's a bunch of, you know. know, the urban community, we always be late with technology.

So I'm happy to see that he's doing it from that perspective. And, you know, when you're the first one to do it, you're going to get some flag for it. 100%. You're going to get some flag for it. That's why I stopped buying cars first because niggins in Atlanta ain't understand. That's a flex. That's why not buying cars first because they ain't understand. For real.

All right. So you got the So-So-Deaf billboard is back in Atlanta. You've seen it on BMF last night. I didn't see BMF last night. But when I saw you post that, I was happy. happy to see that because it's nostalgic for somebody like me because I remember what it was and how crazy that was when you first put the billboard up years ago. Yeah.

And you also got the, was it Social Deaf University? I think were you interned, the kids are interning? Yeah, yeah. Well, I didn't do the internship with Emory. Okay. Well, I did it this semester. And I'm gonna probably keep it going. I think it's cool for kids to come learn.

And I think like just a word intern. I don't think people even understand what that is. Like, if you were an intern here, you got to, you know, pick up with cords, you gotta plug stuff in. Right, for sure. You gotta get y'all some coffee. Everything is how you learn.

I don't think they understand that. It was coming to the studio thinking they was getting ready rapping all this and we had to like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is what interns do first. Right, right. And then you can get to doing what you gotta do. So I think that it's important that somebody,

not just me, other people do this. You know what I mean? So I don't think the kids on that Rory or the young, the young adults understand the type of person that they have access to what JD's doing with the internship. Like to intern for JD It don't get much Big or better than that

Have access to that company You get to go in the studio They thought interning for JD Was like the rap game Like they thought that's what they saw the class Two mom was gonna be right next to you I heard you wear the dog You're not doing the same thing for me

You gotta get that mop over there Yeah You need some snacks You know blah blah Like they was like what Wait a minute You gotta take the trash Yeah all of that

Six months of that before you touch an MPC. If you don't see nobody do that in a long time, it feels like you being mean to people. Nah, that's how you learned. Yeah. So now we was talking about the whole Joey badass thing, and I remember meeting him in your studio.

Oh, damn, that's when you met him? That's the first time I ever met Joey. That's great. First time I ever met him. And I was telling people, I was like, I was so blown away because he was standing there in front of, like, JD, you know, if you never been in the studio, he got anything he's ever worked on a done,

but a thousand plaques all over the place. But Joey was standing in front of Bowhouse plaque. for about five minutes is staring at it. So I'm looking, I'm like, well, why are he looking at Bile Plack like that? And he said, yo, this was the album that inspired me to start rapping. And I tell people that I'm like, I would have never guessed that Joey Badass's inspiration to rap came from Bawa. Now, you say you've been watching my videos.

You heard Swaveh, say the same thing. Absolutely. Yeah. That shit is crazy. Like, it's crazy to me to hit he's got. And I'm like, damn, like, nothing about Joey Badass's music style. anything says bow wow inspired me first yeah they just they was young though and they was that's why you know that's another reason why i'm here today it's the 25th anniversary of bt and 106 and park

was a real you know pivotal every for just all kids rapping all kids singing everything so it was like and we was at the head we was at the head of that absolutely you know um and bow wow was the person that they was paying attention to that's that's just the age gap i think well because that doesn't surprise me i'm around the same age as joey and it's like yeah that that was I mean, you know, as crazy because I've heard it, I've heard it a bunch of times, and I get tired of arguing about it. So I just be like, man, you know, I ain't even going to do this

because I'm saying like, it feels like people were like, you can't tell me you want, if you was watching BET, there ain't no way in hell, you can even deny it. Without a doubt. That's the thing. It was like kids like Joey Badass was coming home from school watching 106 and Park.

This is like a daily routine. Yeah. And they also was standing in line trying to get in there to go to 106 and Park. So, you know, selling out the garden. Even when Jay-Z was on 106 apart, performing, J-Roo, whatever, and still when it got the number one for five months straight, it was Bawa.

Absolutely. Mr. 106. Before we let you go, is there a possibility of a three-stacks verse on this album? I mean, we've been talking about it. He's running around Atlanta a lot. So, I mean, you know, that's my man. So from a childhood. So I'm going to bump into him.

But, you know, I'm not on, you know, it's a lot of people out there. that want to be on this record and I'm trying to make room for everybody so I mean if it don't happen I understand I get it but he should be on there I mean I feel like as fans were old

the JD proper three stacks JD people probably don't know he's very much the strip club junkie oh no listen I know that because I'm a little older but I absolutely I know that 100% but I think it makes sense for him to get on that in an Andre 3000 way

Oh no I want to I mean you know and like I said that's why that's another reason why I was a swaver on it I don't want, I, Swaveo, I don't want, I want, I want people to understand. I'm not, it's not, we're not making this just like trap, trap, trap, trap, trap. Yeah, this is a, it's, it's, what I think the strip club should be playing. I feel like the music and the strip club shouldn't be so boxy. Right. It should be, you know, that's how I grew up.

It was different range of music that you heard in the strip club. And I'm just trying to open it up so I get back to that. Sure. The legend, JD. J.D., we appreciate you, brother. Always good seeing you, and I got to get back to Atlanta just so we can hang out and kick it again, man. My guy. Let's just do.

We don't even need an interesting. Hey, I told him lead him legs in the car. I wasn't going to do it. He bought the legs all the way to the BT. You know his jeans weren't torn when he woke up this morning. This is just sitting like this whole day. That's why you're just. That was regular denim 10 minutes ago.

He just was straight legs. We hit with our guy. Brother Omadi, why are you feeling, man? What's up, gang? I'm good. I'm hot as hell, man. All the way out of BT. How are you feeling?

I'm chilling, bro. I definitely packed for the wrong season. No, you didn't. It's kind of chilly. last night? I don't know. I mean, it's always cold at night, but like, during the day,

that shit don't be... Well, they'd go up to about 75, but at night it's the 60. Yeah, no, 50. Something depends on where you at. That shit be bad. That shit is bad. How you feeling though, man?

I'm good. Where y'all was at last night? Y'all went out? I was in bed, man. Studio and to sleep. Yeah. I was not at 11 o'clock. I was knocked out.

I woke up all the lights was on. You know, one of them. One of them. The bathroom was on. The plan of still and in the bin and see you like that. I was planning on. I was planning on getting to this. Yeah. Yeah. Everything was on.

Did you go to a BT event? I went to like, I went to some party. I went to some party. And then we went to, uh, uh, death jam has some shit, like an R&B night type of vibe. How many people did you falsely say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, now we're going to link. Yeah, you know, I did that shit. I did the fake, like, oh, yeah. Yo, like, yeah.

Yo, we overdue. Yeah, right, right, yeah. My man, bro. There's a reason we haven't linked in 10 years. Yeah, right. Yeah. Like, tell me you it was out there. Don't even have my number.

no way of contacting me. See, that's why I don't go out. Because I'm at the age of, I don't got that no more. I'm a liar, bro. I'm still on my lion's shit for sure. I just can't do it, man. So before you came, when Pige was setting up, I was sitting here getting framed.

I left and I went and sat in the car. I was already tired of talking to any person that walked past to what we were going to do. I sat in the car by myself like an old divorce man in the driveway, waiting for this to start because I did not want to like politic or or talk to anyone. Yeah, no, I feel you. I feel you.

I was doing the same shit in my career. I put on, I turn on Call of Duty right before I came in. I was like, ah, nigga, I guess, bro. Like, I got to go to work.

Yeah, I was like this. Stuff throwing a tantrum. But I am, I'm not going to lie. I am impressed by the fact that rappers are out early. Yeah.

Because rap is not an early. That's a fact. That's not a early genre. Nah, it's usually a nigga, like, or a white man, something like him that, like, has to,

like, call you or bring or drag you out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He called me about seven times today. Right. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, bro, I'm on the way.

You see? You see what? Let's look at my last text from tomorrow. What's your ETA? Yeah. He was here already, by the way, when he said that. He was here. I was sitting in the car.

Yeah, yeah. But he knows. Me like, listen, I want to, as soon as we ready, I'm walking. Right. Yeah. I don't want to. Yeah. Oh, my man, I don't want to do it.

But wait, y'all had to be here at 11 or before 11. Shit. I mean, we had to set up. 11-ish. Okay. started at 11, right? It started 11. Yeah. Because I'm, I'm going to say the reason I'm asking is because I seen Mall coming.

Mall came in at the meet. Oh, you told me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so when I got here late. Okay. So at that point, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Germain Dupree was here before, Mom. Yeah, yeah. I seen Jamaica free too, yeah.

But you know why, but you know why Jayee here? Kevin Hart was here. But you know why they get here? Because they're trying to get out of here. Right, that's the fact. So they're like, yo, listen, get in. That's a bit, boom, boom, boom. By the time, like, you heard JD was here.

He already back at the hotel. Yeah, exactly. I think you're chilling. I like that. I'm scared of Maul even saying the comment he just said about people being late. Because I don't even think Maul knows he's in hot water. He went, Mall goes viral for the most random shit in the morning.

Ball said stop drinking soda in the morning and he got killed for two weeks. Wait, I missed that way. Maugh said he doesn't like mumble rap and doesn't like some of the younger rappers that can't read. It was a very funny clip. Breathe. Go read. Yeah, right, they're mouth breathers for sure.

Yeah, right. Yeah, also mouth breathers. Yeah. Check out. So the fact that mall is now. saying that black people are late at the BET award sitting next to me. I'm nervous of where this is going to go. The thing is I can't say it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying it. I'm just saying I sit next to you when you go viral. Right. Yeah. There were stick pieces from scholars from the

black community and my white face was in the thumbnail. They said that white man sitting next to him again. And nobody turns to say he said it. Right. The Cardi Bish it. Every time. Yeah. Now, you be getting chill. I love it. It's that time, though. Some reparations. But I take that. When we first started pod and y'all would use the N-word and they would clip it and say, I said it. And I'm like, you could see the mouth. My mouth isn't even moving. So I'll take some Cardi B heat instead of that back in the day. I think it's the fact that everybody collectively knows this at some point, not like,

not offensively, but at some point you drop the nigger. Like, I don't know. And you're 30-some years of living, like, you drop the niggas somewhere. Like, so it's just like, I think, I think Roy might have dropped it when he went on his sound. We have to do this at this event? He did this. We're at.

We're straight on the spot, right? What else will we unpack this at? We have to do it at BET. We've hung out in a studio and residents. There's plenty of times we could have this conversation. We didn't have to have it here. Yeah, yeah. I just found out Teddy Swims is nominated for a BETI award.

I love when white people get nominated for some shit like this. You know, I have two. You got two? I have two BTW. Yo, this is great. This is like this is what we need. This is culture. I have a BT Hip-Hip Award and a BT Award.

Wait, did you go up? You didn't have to go up. Did you? No, that was the one they did digitally. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You never, did you ever take a picture with like one of these? No. I'm just solidarity, like, you know what I mean?

I think it should be all. We stand together. We stand united. When you walk in my crib, it is right there, though. Like, I'm proud of the ward. I think the BETT wars, I take it very serious. I love the war. I just think it's funny that I have it.

Last time I seen you, I was Muslim. I think, you know what I'm saying? I think you should do the same thing. Just like, just for this season of June. I've always been Muslim. Right. So, you know. Yeah.

Who are we looking forward to seeing, though? Like, who's performing? Teddy Swims. Teddy Swims is performing? No. I'm going to say. But I thought you see Amani. That was Belly Gang.

That wasn't Teddy Swims? Belly gang is performing. Not Teddy Swims. Amadi. Look at this nigger legs. Y'all don't think this is crazy that he's doing an interview like this? You don't understand. When he first posted this on the internet, I sent him, like, Googled research of how bad this is for you.

I told him, don't make this a thing. I told my G.I. Joe's like that in the window, so. You got my G.I. Joe's in the window. Well, it was the thing that took on. What was the evil kid and toy story? You look like every Sid toy. That's your stance. I think it's dope that we had the BET was, and I don't know who's,

Kevin Hart is hosting. Kevin Hart, yeah, yeah, really? Uh-huh, uh-huh. That's about as much as I know. Finally, Maugh, ask the media BT question. So Philly, right? You know Kevin Hart, you know Kevin Hart, right? You got to know Kevin Hart.

You know Kevin. Oh, you might know, okay. But who else is performing? Like, I don't even know who's performing this show. Yo, I know Teddy Swims is nominated. This is all I know about BT. Teddy Swimmers is nominated. Kevin Hart's performing.

It's in L.A., I think. Yeah, it's in L.A., yeah. You are from Philly. You are from Philly. They gave us J.D.'s Wikipedia, but didn't give us who's performing. They came and gave us a J.D. bio, like, like, we don't know what Jemaine do for me. I'm like, I'm like, right.

I'm like, bro, why are you handing me this cultural architect? Right, right. It's a JD. All right, well, let's look in real time. Okay. I like this because you're a friend. We don't have to do like a real fucking interview. We can do it in real time.

Okay, there's a, there's a lot of women panels. Okay, okay. That's what I'm on. A spicy moments. I see nothing of who's performing. I don't even think they're doing performances this year. Sound like. Well, we got wind of who is performing,

but he told me not to say nothing. We'll talk about it right. Okay. That's going to be dope. Right, right, right. Other than that, I don't know. I really don't know who else is performing this shit. Yeah.

It's the 20th anniversary. Somebody said, uh, uh, what the fuck? Wait, wait, hold on. All right. So People Magazine, BT Awards 2025, everything you need to know about culture's biggest night. Love the headline. Why is the picture,

Kendrick, Doche, and Drake, two of which that will not be in attendance. Yeah, nah, this is not happening. I don't, what is People Magazine doing? People magazine said black people. What black people do we know right now? T. Hort's 2025 and put two people that are definitely not going to be here.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Don't you may be here, though. No, so I said. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Tiana Taylor. Performing? Okay. I love Tiana's new record. You love Lil Wayne the record? My bad. I think you intentionally skip over there.

I like Flex. I like Flex. That's one of the songs on the I like. I have not given it. I got halfway through it on the way here. That makes sense. That makes sense. Oh yeah.

That makes sense. Yo, Monty, don't do that. Okay. Don't hit the, it makes sense. Matter of fact,

fuck that. I don't like all the Wayne hate this been happening. So he's been getting killed on the timeline

for the past 24 hours. Defend him. The first five records I heard weren't that they weren't as bad as what I thought the timeline was saying. Me talking about the intro

where he wasn't on it or the, all right. See, now the whole I want to make sure I want to make sure I want to say

how you feel about it? Mm-mm. No, I ain't, I ain't finish it. Like me and Rory, we listen to it together. I still have a hard chance, though. Yeah.

Okay, welcome to the card. You didn't like Bell's, the third record? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. That didn't shit with you? Mm-mm. That's not going to keep. Wait, what did he sample?

Oh, man. What is somebody gonna text me? Say, hey, can you take that Wayne part out in the Army? Yeah, all clip. Good board and say. Good body. That shit broke my heart. It's a couple on there that I thought it was okay.

It was that elephant noise one. Yeah. I didn't hear that. I didn't get to that one. On the timeline, that was like the worst one, right? He free, he did a ban from TV. He redid ban from TV, which I feel like you see. From TV's on no ceilings, though.

I don't need him to wrap. No, he smoked it on. Yeah, no, he did not smoke it on this one. Now, yeah, the blunt was out. No, no papers. No, no lighter. I might welcome to the car and flex up. I don't know if I got to flex up.

Welcome to the car I liked and Bell I like. But again, this isn't a cop out. I am going to ask. We were traveling and, you know. I was traveling too. That's what I was traveling. That's what I was. Right.

You see what I had to get here? Like, you can't listen. You don't live in L.A. anymore? Yeah. Yeah. But I was traveling. You had to get here. You see what I'm saying?

It was a lot going. It was a lot going. It was a lot going. It's a lot going to. You can't listen to music during BET weekend. You know about United Wi-Fi? It's rough. Exactly.

You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? It's all the street. Yeah, it's going to be, you know, color will the whole time. You barely get to a song. You know, you fall asleep. Don't charge your phone.

Yeah, man. 1% just to call the Uber. so like you can't use that. He had the old charger. Yeah. Uh-huh. You, y'all are, we're going to have to clean up a lot of that. No, we're not keeping this off.

We can't do that, man. We can't put that out. But this will, this part are going on Patreon. This is a great. I can assure you Wayne and Karen Civil are not subscribers to our Patreon. Amani, talk to us about bow wow. What about him. So you're from Philly.

No. Listen, everybody that we sat down with today with the last. So you know Billy Eilish. Billy Ellis is probably a Bow Wow fan too. Is Bow Wow one of the guys that you listened to growing up? No, shit. Yo, no, actually, actually, all right, that's not scared. Bow Wow, I didn't listen to Bow Wow like that.

I listened to the one, whatever, the record that I sample, represent that or whatever. Okay. But I used to tell me and my sister used to go to this park, down the street from my house, and she would tell people I was a little bow wow, and I would take pictures and they would pay her. Like, we got like $20, like just off her. had hair and shit. It wasn't that many little niggas

were hair at the time. You know what I'm saying? Like it was a lot of little niggins. Yeah, I probably was a lot of little. It means there can be two catfish episodes of somebody pretending to be bow wow. Who else was pretending to be bow wow? That was the funniest episode.

Oh, damn. I never seen that. No, I never seen that. Let's see it. A dyke pretended to be bow wow. And damn, this girl was sending damn bow wow money. Because like every time.

I did see this. Because like every time. You had it. Yes, yes. Yeah. Every time Bow Wow, like, went to film his, like, credit card would be frozen. Yeah, yeah. And she was like, no, I understand.

Right. That makes it. It makes sense. Like, you know, Towers aren't. You're a little Bawa for a while. You know, it's just a little bit. Right. So, yeah, it's just a bunch of money of Bowowowow.

So you were the original Catfish Boutweil. I was the original Bail. Yeah. No, the funny thing is the song that we did where we sampled Bavow, he put a verse on it. Um, I ain't going to say who didn't allow it to come out. But he put a verse on that, Joe. Now, you got to say who stopped there. You know who stopped the verse.

Like, it was somebody from the high or else. It was definitely rock nation. Absolutely nothing to do. Listen to. But, yeah, it was dead.

But I thought Bawa slid. I thought he slid. But like, hey, well, fucking with that Bawawr's. Really? Yeah, nah,

Bawau. It didn't make it do. I mean, he slid on the original. Yeah. I mean, you know, 20-something years ago, yeah. I think J.D.

wrote that. Didn't J.E. Probably. No, I think that was, that might have been the time when T. T.I was writing for him.

That might be a T-I Everyone but Bawa Slid on that at this point Like, yeah I was fucking with Bawa I'm about like yeah So you wait The question was

He's a he's a legend You say is he a legend in Maul cannot believe people Our age Like revered Bowowow And that's not what it is Bauer was that nigga though No no no 100%

But he that let me Yeah Yeah yeah yeah Bauer was that How don't do that Don't do that Don't do that bro That's too much shit going on

Do not do that I recognize that he is alleged. Yeah. But I just think that now the artist that he inspired are actually doing their thing now and they're outside and they're moving around and now I'm interacting with them so I'm hearing it more like no, bow wow inspired me and I'm like, really?

That's all it is, but I know I'm very aware of how insane bow wow was as an artist's going up. And how do you not know who wrote that? You had to split the pub with them. Just look at your contract. And I'm going to tell you that off mic. My God. I'm going to tell you that one. I know. And I'm going to tell you that one.

Whoever wrote that hook was fire. I'll tell you who name wasn't on it I'm Listen BATW has bringing some shit man 2025 We would all got Oh bro

Thank you Because you're Because you Just doing this shit We ain't let me Go ahead Across the floor To my mind

All the time To the point that I just want to take you Yo Y'all are crazy man Yo, that's funny of your shit All right Roy We are back at the media room

BET Awards 2025 Yes We are joined by someone who I have been wanted to speak with big fan of hers love what she's doing in the sports world we haven't had a chance to connect personally but here we are at the BET World 2025

Joy Taylor Yes we actually need a proper We have a segment called Don't Know Ball that we do every Wednesday Oh yes Joe and I don't know shit We don't know shit about ball We need you to come on there To properly tell us about sports

And act like they do But we need somebody like you Joy Had this conversation a few minutes ago it's okay though it's so intimidating to talk about sports like who cares so you wrong we're wrong all the time I mean I'm not wrong but like

you know people be wrong all the time you near morals are but yeah you know it's okay it's people be ranting and won't even know that the player's not on the team anymore coach is not even there like it's okay we just we just talk that's all right it's so intimidating

to talk about sports you don't need to know every single rule and every single player that played for the 87 Yankees. Like, it doesn't, it's cool. That defines who you are as a sports broadcaster. What is the blood type? Right. Was Babe Ruth actually black?

Yes or no. Yeah. Well, we need questions. Wow. We need to answer to that question. And I feel like we have it. But they're like, you're not taking Babe Ruth from us. So.

Yeah, they're going to down with that. At the BT Awards, I feel like, this weekend we're going to take Bayruh. We're taking Bayruh for the weekend. And I have seen the photo of his first cousins. Yes. That is a black man. That's a black man. George Herman?

That name is... All right. What do we talk about it? That's an old black man. That's the old black man. All right. Yeah, I don't know how we got here. Is Halliburton the worst human being that's ever existed?

That's how I feel. Listen. I hate everything about him. It's from pure hate. It's from pure jealousy. He is having an all-time run. His life is never going to be the same. And I love it for him.

Yeah. Like, be prepared. Because if you hate him. He's going to be on every commercial this summer. Yes. You're about to see his face on every promo for the league next year. He's going to have deals on deals. It's going to be, I can see it now.

Like, someone is scripting this cinematic. Do you remember the commercial LeBron's did with the, take me to church? Yeah, of course. Yeah. When they took the Blues Brothers shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But for Halliburton, for the overrated thing. Like, it's going to be like all the clips.

All the noise. Allop Burton and it's just going to be like dribbling. Yeah. And then they're going to, I mean, just give me 10%. I just wrote it for you. I'm very, I'm very, I mean, we obviously know he's a, he's a great player, but I am surprised by his performance in the playoffs. I will be honest. Yeah, I think we all, I mean, we all are.

It's, he's, but we're surprised because we've never seen it before. Yeah. Like, he's never had these moments. Last year, they got swept. Yeah. They're, let's be honest, they're the Pacers. They don't have national media games. They don't get that kind of power.

They only have 14 national games this year, right? Yeah. So it's really not surprising that everyone is surprised. And he's now stepping into the moment. Like you are something until you're not. Right. So I think the overrated things, obviously, like that's going to follow him and make it. At this point, you should want to be called overrated.

Josh Allen won the MVP in Halliburton and was having the run of his life. Like, call me overrated. Please, somebody speak this on me. Yeah. Do a 40-minute podcast about him. Have we seen a playoff run in the last decade that has been close to Halliburn right now? Well, Halliburton is also so unique because he isn't LeBron. He isn't, you know, he's not this overwhelming figure.

Like, he's not an intimidating figure on the court. But the thing that I think that people aren't speaking to is the fact that that team has been together. They kept that team together. They're core players. A lot of the guys have been together maybe two or three years now. And I think it's just clicking at the right time. They, if they end up winning this series, they're going to make things very difficult for a lot of GM. because they are not built with multiple superstars.

They are not built to be a super dominating team. They would have beat a completely dominant team in the Thunder who has the league MVP. So the excuses of, oh, well, we need more stars or we need, no, you don't. You need to put together a roster that complements each other that plays a certain style of ball that has someone who is a clutch player and is extremely well coached. I mean, do you think that AAU era is over? Like even to the Celtics, what they've done, of course, they're superstars, but not to the degree of what like the heat used to do, even the Celtics before.

Lakers, is that done even with? Well, I mean, I think the super team era kind of died with Kauai. Like when he moved, he sort of deaded the super team thing. And we haven't really seen a super team win since the Warriors. Yeah. They've still been assembled, but it just hasn't worked out. And the risk of that is you're so top-heavy that you have to really be with an organization like the Warriors or like the Heat that finds these players that they can develop quickly and put them in these like unbelievable positions to ascend in the postseason. Like you got to be a well-run organization to do that.

Yeah. So I do think the league is changing in a lot of ways. Obviously, it's become very international. so the style of play is changing. The fan base, how we consume it is changing, how we react to certain players is changing. Like, it's just, we've seen the switchover from the OGs to the younger guys now in this finals.

It's also two very small markets without transcendent superstars. Like, SGA is a superstar for sure. Halliburton's just become one, but SGA is not a household name for the casual sports fan. Right. So I do think, like, what has... happens next year with the league will be very interesting. Like how and what young player takes that face of the league role on?

Because while LeBron is still there and his shadow looms over the league as it should, and Steph is still there, it's a new era. And who steps into that space will be very interesting. Or if we even need it. I mean, I think that you do. Like, I think when you think of a league, like you think of the NFL, you think of my homes. You think of like the young SARS in the league that are winning. So it'll be interesting to see how it develops. Sure, where does your passion for sports talk come from? Like, did you grow

up in a household where you had to kind of like argue over what we were watching and things like that? Like, where does that come from? Because you don't see many women talk sports the way you do. Like, you're talking from a very place of, no, I grew up. This is what I do. Like, where does that come from? So I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. PA. And I grew up with my aunt and my aunt and my grandmother were big sports fans, as pretty much everyone in a city like Pittsburgh is. Still a nation. Yeah.

And when the game came on, everyone had to shut up. They knew every player. They knew the coaches. They knew the coordinators. If they lost, they were pissed. Everyone should be fired. I just grew up. My mother is a diehard Cowboys fan.

Don't ask me why or how. But she is a diehard Cowboys fan. She will rewatch games. two days. Like, we know the outcome of this game. She's like, yeah, but I didn't get to see the first quarter. So she will rewatch the game. Yeah. Which is like, I'm not even that bad. So it's always been familiar to me to have an opinion or point of view on sports. And I grew up playing sports. I played basketball, soccer, volleyball, track. Obviously, I come from a sports family as well. And I really think growing up in a city that sports is ingrained in like the culture and the community of the city and such a, you know, historic way in such a proud way because the sealers are just like a dynastic organization. It's just, it's just familiar to me. Like it's, I just expect that everyone has a point of view on sport. I have to remind myself sometimes like everybody doesn't care this much

about sport. We do the same with music. Yeah, it's, um, it's just what's familiar to me. Okay. Yeah. Um, as coming from a city that is the same way about their basketball team, I've been a lifelong, tortured Knicks fan. That's why I started with hating Halliburton. Before we let you go, how do you feel about the Tibbs firing? I didn't like it. I didn't like it. I didn't either. So I'm... I loved it. I get it, but... Because I knew

he was going to get fired. I did it, but he's the only one that's brought in us this far, like, one more year. I'm not a big fan of firing coaches. I think a coach really has to earn getting fired. Also, harkening back to the Steelers, like the Steelers are always good.

Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season, which is remarkable. And especially when you look at what he's had to work with from the quarterback position. They've had three coaches in the history of their organization. It's crazy. Now, they've been incredible coaches. But the problem with firing coaches is we just look at the guy who we see, right? We don't hold GMs accountable the way that we do coaches. Obviously, we can't hold owners accountable, but owners fiddle with things all the time that take things

out of the coach's hands. So when you have a meddling owner, is it the coach's fault? Or is it because this owner didn't want to pay this player that this coach wanted? Like, we don't know all the behind the scenes things that happen. What we do know is consistency and growth. And I feel like that's what Tibbs did for the next organization. And he stabilized the organization. Like, I hate talking about poorly run organizations. Like, I don't want to give them air time because I know how hard it is for people in that building to have success when you go into work and it's utter chaos when you don't have the things that you need when you don't have the support that you need when you don't have the staff that you need when they're not bringing in the players that you need like it's so hard to win

like that so much goes into winning and we zero in on the coaches because they're the guys that we see on the sideline also when you fire a coach their whole staff usually gets fired which means there's a whole changeover so players guys who are down the bench a little bit who had this connection with this coach who are actually developing and like getting some momentum now they got to get a new coach in there maybe they don't get along with them like there's it's such a it's such an avalanche of effects that happen when you bring in a new coaching a new coach because they have their own staff yeah and then maybe they have a specific um style of practice that doesn't work like it's just it's never ending yeah and i am just a fan of it should be obvious that the coach needs to be fired

Like, it should be obvious. And if you are, if you take this organization further than they've been in 25 years, maybe just give him one more year. That's what, that's where I was out with it. I'm not bad at that, but he made some mistakes in the playoffs, but I'm with joy on that. Like, it needs to be a bigger reason than just. They fell short. Yeah.

But there's, there's the thing going around now that's kind of looting that. Kat got him fired in Minnesota. And now Kat got him fired in New York. Well, we know. And they're showing clips that I'm kind of having, you know, disagreements on me. Yeah. I don't know that that's like, who's going to take him? I don't know that that's like the reason he got fired.

Obviously, we know superstars play a big role in who the coach is and if they stay. And sometimes they may make like an offhand comment that influences things. I don't, I have no idea whether he did or he didn't. But to me, I just, I would have given him one more year. Yeah. Like I think they had, they overachieved this year. Nobody had them in the Eastern Conference finals with all due respect. So you overachieve this year.

Yes, you fell short. run it back one more year. You've gotten better every single year. If you fall shorter than your expectations, next year, cool, you didn't get the job there. Invest in a bench and give it another year. Yeah, I would have it one more year. Yeah.

Well, Joy, we got to have you on Don't Know Ball. Yeah, absolutely. Let's know a proper episode for sure next time in New York. Anytime in the city. Definitely got to have you come by. We appreciate it. Yeah, let's do it. Joy for a lot.

All right, Roy, we are back at BT Awards 2025. Yes. And we are sitting down finally with a West Coast representative on the rap side. Well, we had Mazi earlier. Yeah. We have Mazi. Oak Park.

But now we're sitting down with AZ. Cheik. Yes, sir. I don't want to say Cheekey. I'm going to say Azeeich. How are you doing it, bro? Man, I'm good.

They got to keep running around working you. Man, day too. Day two. Yeah, we're getting right, though. Listen, it's a good weekend. It's a good weekend. Not bad. I'm proud of you, too, Ma.

This is showing peace and solidarity. Yeah. He had my favorite verse on JNX. my favorite feature for sure i mean no homo i followed him right after i heard peekaboo i don't even like follow men on instagram like that before you told us that i'm glad you paused like after i heard pika after he said heard about your man not sorry for your loss i'm following him yeah that's the code is bar what's this gentleman's instagram yeah that was the only person i followed immediately after i heard gnx but yeah that was

What the internet thinks about you, I think this is great that both y'all are sitting down. No, yeah, yeah. OVO and the West Coast together to show we can all live. They tried to make it an East Coast, West Coast thing, OVO, West Coast. Nah, man, it's all love. It's nothing but love, especially for me. L.A., you know, Rory, L.A. is a second home for me. How are you feeling, man?

How's the success of, you know, being on one of the biggest albums of the year? Yeah. How's life changed? How the ladies treating you? How they're talking to you now? The text messages respond to the little. faster? Yeah, yeah.

You know, bitches that I ain't talked to in three years, opening up old threads. I like that he said bitches. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That classifies you. If you don't tell me for three years, then you see that. Yeah, they responded to texts. Happy birthdays from three years ago.

Crazy. Now, they was checking up on you. Yeah, I ain't going, boy. They didn't even hear about the Super Bowl. But now, man, I just, I just been working, bro. And, you know, like, I've been doing my best just to stay focus and I get too caught up

and everything, you know what I'm saying? Because it can be a lot. Yeah. So, you know, I just have my little things. Like, I like this last thing when I did the GNX store and shit like that. I think, like, through all this shit that's been happening in the past six months, I felt that one the most. Like, once it hit

all over the internet, like, I felt, like, overwhelmed a little bit, like, over-stimulated. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I felt that the most. So I kind of, like, I didn't take a little break, but I didn't post or nothing for a little bit. Like, all, hold on, let me let this sink in for a minute, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's really just how I've been dealing with everything, though.

You know, just finding balance, you know what I'm saying? Has there been a lot of pressure, you know, because I've seen, because the internet's been a mess with everything that happened last year. Facts, facts. Has there been a lot of pressure with people saying every feature from GNX should have capitalized on that shit the next fucking day? They were like, why didn't they all have albums ready to go that next day? What's the pressure been like with getting something so important?

and so great i mean respectfully bro i don't really deal with that shit because i'm the example that they use it as why niggins should have capitalized well you should have did it like chike well chike did this chik did that so i don't necessarily feel that particular pressure i guess the pressure i do feel is like coming with a real body of work you know what i'm saying like that's what's gonna make this shit really stick and count you know what I'm saying so and it's not really pressure

but you know what I'm saying like I feel it though like you know what I'm saying? That's the only thing I'm kind of am like focus or like I guess you say concerned about it's like following up with that body of work bro like that's what's gonna count

like these singles I do is cool you know the dot looks is great but you know I gotta build my own foundation and it's gonna start there with that album you know what I mean So what is it, what is it like for you, though, like to be able to touch a stage in a stadium like so far. Like, that many people looking at you, hearing you.

Yeah. Like, how does that affect your creativity? How does that affect, you know, the way you look at the industry? Like, things have to change once you on a platform and the stage that big. Yeah, I mean, it really just leveled me up. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like, like, you know, like, like. When I did the shit, like, and that's what I tell a lot of people, like, I was so focused on the performance, I didn't really, like, get too submerged into the crowd.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I had to come from any ears in, so I couldn't hear nothing. Like, all I could hear was the beat, myself, and died. Like, I couldn't hear nothing. And then I was so focused on hitting my cues. Okay. You know, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I didn't want to bump into the dancers. Right. And then when you see us walk on the second side of the stage, like, I had to keep up with them. Okay. We did the little choreographer, Boo Bob, Bob, Bamp thing. So I'm so focused on that. Like, it didn't hit me until later. Like, I'm liking all the videos on Twitter, people freaking out.

But I'm like, I'm really saving this for later because I'm going to watch it. That was the only way I was able to see the crowd reaction was through the videos. And, you know, overall, it just leveled me up, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, again, it just makes sense. And, you know, as people know, I fall for that. You know what I have to get on that ass to make sure I got on that stage. And I couldn't fuck up because I.

asked for that shit. Yeah, yeah, you gotta be ready for it. Yeah, and even before we went on stage, he, like, called me in his green room, like right before, like two songs before. I think Sizzle was still on stage. And he was like, he was like, you nervous? I was like, no, I was like, hell I'm not, I asked for this. He's like, yeah, nigga, better not be nervous. Yeah, you know what I'm doing? Yeah. Be while, your stomach rumbling all kinds of. Yeah, man. Keep your poker face, though. Yeah, bro. So it's just a level of, bro. That's it, for real, for real. How, how has that helped? How has that helped? with what you want to do with live performances moving forward.

Because like going right to Sophie is crazy. Very crazy, bro. It helped a lot. I mean, the main thing is like real live performance, no backtrack. Like that's the real thing. Yeah. Okay. Keeping your breath, no backtrack.

Like, I performed without backtracked before, but not the full hour set. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's a different ball game. Like, you know what I'm saying? So that's one thing that I took from that. did I have to work on? I don't have it all the way. Like, there's some songs out of my catalog that I can do.

But the other one, like, I got to figure out a way. Like, you know what I'm saying? To sauce it and, you know, like, do different things. And that's the one thing, no backtrack shit. Like, the real performance, you know what I'm saying? After hitting that type of stage, do you feel like at some point you probably, you took for granted exactly how much goes into performing?

Because to be able to be on the stage that big and hit those cues that's that far apart. Yeah. That type of performance is a, different level. Facts. So do you look at that part of your career like, okay, I got to sharpen my live performance set? No, for real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the same time, bro, you couldn't have told me none of this shit was going to happen a year ago. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I performed. What was it? I think it was the form. Not the pop-out,

but before that, I did, I think it was the blank face store. Okay. Well, cute. Yeah. And I brought us out there. And it still wasn't nothing like that, because I didn't go. with him. Like, we open for him. You know what I'm saying? But in a way, in a way, you know, again, I just, I think I can see myself, I never see myself on that type of stage, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah,

now that I am, I guess you can't say that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I have to get sharper, bro. Like, you know, the bar set high now. Yeah. It's a different level now. Yeah, the bar set hot. And because everybody's seen it exactly. It's like, now they're like, all right. It's got to be at that caliber. Yeah, yeah. Regardless if it's 70,000

or 500 people in that room. Yeah. to perform like in the stadium. You know what I was in. Absolutely. Yeah, that's a fun. One of my favorite videos this year was you with your family watching the Super Bowl. Honestly, that was like just beautiful to watch in general. That was crazy.

You know, I complimented it in your comments and got killed by every TDE fan on earth. I just tried to compliment him. Yeah. It was a crazy talk. He's sitting with his family watching that. And then Kendrick does part of the verse with his thing. I was like, this is a crazy talk. this is amazing.

Yeah. What was that like sharing that moment, just with your family? I mean, capturing it, I thought was incredible. Bro, it was insane. We didn't think he was going to do that shit. Yeah. I didn't know, like,

we didn't even think he was going to do that many new songs, but it made sense because he was going on a tour and it's pretty much the same set list. Right. So, we didn't think he was going to do that. My manager right here was like, we're just going to watch.

She's like, he's going to do peekaboo or whatever. Like, we're just going to watch. And I captured it on my, TikTok Live. There was nobody in my life, bro. Probably like 12 people. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And he did the damn song. He did the damn song. So now we're freaking out. Yeah. There's no way in hell I thought he was going to wrap my verse, though. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? So if you watched the video, it's like he'd do the song, we turn. Yeah. And then he do my shit, we super freak out, bro. You know what I'm saying? And it was crazy, bro. It was a real wholesome moment. And I guess it's good because it was captured.

Yeah. And it kind of get people, like where I'm coming from in my essence and make them rule for me more because they understand. Like you can see it wasn't some set up social media. It was you with your family kicking it with a real reaction. And I understand like how passionate than I am. And my family only freaking out like that because they know how much fucking work I don't put in. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, damn, all this shit is coming to wishing. You know what I'm saying? So where we at with the album? How far are we or how close are we to getting it? Shit. Yeah. I got to ask. Yeah.

Yeah. Super Bowl. Cool. Cool. Where's the album? Vax. Fax. Fax. I've been working on it since,

fucking, what, February, I think, so far. Mm-hmm. And I have some strong records, bro. I think the last stage I'm in now is features. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Even my last single I dropped game time, that came out of working on the album.

You know what I'm saying? So it's a lot of great records like that. And different shit, too. But I'm on the feature side of things. now, you know what I'm glad I took my time because through all these different events, now these other bigger artists hitting me up, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, not just rapper, but R&B artists, like, normal mind.

I mean, with your tone, I think you should be working with R&B artists. They're telling me, like, you know, I'm working on some demos for you, I'm going to send it over. I'm just like, nigga what? Yeah, all right, bet. Like, you know what I'm saying? So that's the stage I'm at now is knocking those features out. I start working on it again next week.

So honestly, sometimes soon, bro, like, it's going to be this year for sure, though. Yeah. It's going to be this year. I'm looking forward to hearing it, man. Man, I got to get the word. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I got to get the word. I don't know more.

It's critiquing. So I got to get the word, man. Not critiquing, but you know what it is. I got to come fire. I'm just listening differently. That's good, though. That's good. You know, Toronto like Kendrick to stamp you.

Thanks. I got to come crazy. I got to hear what he on. What he's talking about? I know what that sounded like with Kendrick. Right. But let me hear what he sound like. I respect that.

I'm not over critical. It's just like, I'm looking forward to hand what you did away from all of that, all of that noise. I don't like to call it noise, but it's noise. It's big. What you did away from that much that was quiet. Right. That's what I'm looking forward to.

No, real shit. I like that a lot. Again, my opinion, the standout feature on GNX. No, for real. Complex does lists. That's just what the fuck they do. Yeah. Yeah.

What did you think about complexes? Was it top 25? They did 25, right? I was it 50? 50. 50, right? They did 50. Top 50 rappers from Los Angeles.

How did you feel about complex list? Pock wasn't on there. That was the biggest, like, what we doing? Yeah, I didn't even notice that. Yeah. They told me that shit last night. Bro. Through all this, I've been learning to separate myself from things.

Okay. Like, as far as, as, like, taking shit so personal. Can't take it personally. Everything is opinionated. Yeah. It's their opinion. Yeah. I'm not mad at it.

Yeah. I mean, it would have make sense to kind of get the backstory on who made the list. Okay. Like, are you even from the West Coast? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anytime we look at the list, we always want to, who made this? Who made this? What's your, like, what is your background?

Right. What allows you to even make this list? Right. So until they start doing shit like that, I don't really feel no way about it. You don't give it too much energy. Because y'all not really standing on business. Right. You're not coming out like, I wrote this.

Yeah. My background is such a This is my credentials. This is what I know. I'm hip hop, with you will. You're not doing that. You're writing it

and hiding like, right? And the goal is to get clicks and make people talk about it. So you know you're going to put that type of shit. Yeah. But game, who I felt just my personal list,

I think game is top five from the West. It's my personal. Yeah. The fact that they put him, I think, what, at 11. Yeah.

I think game is top five. I agree. He put out his own list. He had you at 10. 78, I believe. Okay. It's not 100. Yeah.

How does it feel just like, you know, who game is and what he represents to the West Coast. Yeah. Him acknowledging that you should have been on a list when it comes to, you know, LA. I fuck a game, bro. He has an amazing catalog. Yeah, dog, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, it's artists like that that, like makes my mom understand where I am. You understand what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah. Because she raised me, we listen in the game, Black Wall Street, all this, you know what I'm So now it's real. So now she gets it. Like when I'm like, I send her the picture I'm with Game, Wooty Wood. She gets it like, oh. Okay. I'm not somebody out here doing it.

You know what I'm saying? So I'd be needing those type of moments. So I definitely have a different respect level for game. He definitely one of the ones, bro. Without a dog. Without a dog, without a dog, bro. Before we let you go, because I feel like this was a great peaceful moment for the internet, can you say something nice about Joey Badass?

Joey is a dog Yeah He's a dog Yeah I don't Take that away from him What the fuck Like

He's cold, bro Yeah One thing I can't say The hall god I wish I wish What are you doing With the power shit

I mean It's still amazing You know what I do wish He like Consistly went crazy Like Okay Not saying never wish he got

to act there because I said that's just still fire yeah but I feel like if he just would have kept going crazy he would really be like you know what I mean like he still lives though feel me but he definitely surprised a lot of people yeah included with his performance

but I was what was we speaking to early when I said I love the fact that all of that happened because it forced the rap is to rap yeah everybody started rapping people's getting the studio putting records out the next day like the turnover time was incredible so if we got If that is what we needed to get guys rapping, I'm for it.

It was a good sparring, bro. Like, it was great. Like, that shit was fun. Nobody got hurt. Yeah, yeah. Not like that, bro, but like, I didn't been in real rap function. You feel me? Like, niggas getting hurt.

I catch you with you. Yeah. You know, that shit just, you know, be kicking up dust, making the fans happy, but. Even like how daylight closed it of just wrapping up the entire thing, I thought it was perfect. Like, this is how shit can, it can be fine.

Like, everybody can just rap. And just be frat and everybody's full, everybody move on. Yeah. Compared to all the other shit that's been happening before our list, the dead off smoking withy wool. They don't need that energy. They don't need that energy. We don't need that energy at all.

If niggas like that, like us can set the example, then why not? Yeah, have fun. We still rap, get our bars off, but it's still love at the end of the day. Bags, back. You're looking forward to you. I'm looking forward to the project. No, yeah, man. I'm definitely going.

I'm not checking for you. I'll let you know how I feel. When you're going to let you know how I'll check it. You come to New York? Come, let's go a pro episode and sit down for sure. I'm coming soon. Probably like the end of this month or July. I'm coming soon, bro.

You know they got me doing pressing. You're moving around now, man. Life is different now, man. Life is very different for you. So we definitely pulling up, bro. I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. I said, hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen.

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Listen, this is one of my favorite, my personal favorite. Fex. Female emcees out of New York City. The Bronx. Yes, heavy. Big Bronx. Yeah, we all sad. All right.

Here we go. Malibu Mitch. No, because listen, when in Bronx, you see, I'm totally different. You have to give us a good introduction. This is the Bronx. Thank you very much. More, I, this one's actually, I'm glad she's here. Oh, yay.

This, we could have actual personal interview now. You know she curbed me for a date once? Oh, my God. I like that. I like that. I like that. I didn't try to set it up. What's the joint in Jersey with the ski shit?

I was, I was even on somebody. Let's go snowboarding. Boy, he planned a date. He played a date that she covered? I don't know about that. I've been trying to snowboard. So he saw it on my, my Instagram,

and then, yeah, he tried to finagle his way in there. Yeah. And I caught a little rhythm. Some research on what she liked and they tried to spread a date. Then I got curved and I was like, you know what?

It's hard eye emojis. I'm not trying anymore. She'll get a fire emoji. You did not send me the little vinyl, your vinyl for your song. You didn't send me that. You were supposed to send me some sacks for your little thing,

and you didn't do none of that. You ain't send in the merch. No, nothing. She's not wrong, but she's not wrong, but she's, but just. But just like a woman, she's telling half the story. Yeah.

And this. You with me, at least. I'm sure with other people, it's different. You are the worst texter I've ever met in my fucking life. I know, but call me. I tell everybody that everybody wants to send all these text messages. Don't face-time me. Call me.

Don't face-time me, though. But you can call me, though. Call me, like. So not knowing that after I get turned down with a snowboarding date. Oh, my God. You think the next move is to call her? You know, get this fucking creep away from it. You got to fight for what you want.

That's what you want. I want to commit it enough? Yeah, you got to get on your 300 Sparta. I'm going to be on the concourse with a boombox. Yeah, three hundred. Bish, let's talk about the music. Because I absolutely, you're one of the ones that just your voice alone on the track, you set yourself apart from the entire pack.

Thank you. What we doing with the music? because I'm waiting. Yeah, so a lot of people didn't know I was locked in a contract for eight years. I just got released two weeks ago. Congratulations, by the way. Thank you.

So Monarch bought me out. But yeah, I was locked in a contract with a production company. You know how they do. And yeah, so they wasn't letting me release for a long time. Like, I wasn't really able to do anything. So, and it was kind of, it was messing up everything else. But I was still trying to, you know, hit my ones and twos.

Like, I still had luckily Nikki helping me out. Like, I had a lot of people that was, you know, I don't know, can I curse? A lot of people that was fucking with me that supported me So I'm very grateful for that And then I was doing my modeling My little acting thing here and there too

So you were definitely active You was on stage scene with Nikki Nikki brought you I thought that was fire For her to bring y'all out And have y'all touch the stage That was showing a lot of love To the next wave

Of female rappers coming up How did that come about The relationship with Nikki And you know The posse cut that y'all did Which is fire Yeah Well with Nikki

I don't know I just always like Just show love to her On Twitter Instagram and everything And then she sent my name in an interview. Like she thanked me in an interview for just, you know, just always saying her name. Like even through the hate train.

Like she, you know, so I don't know. It just, I kind of like grew over past that. And then I did the, when she had Queen Radio, she brought me the update to freestyle for her. And that was amazing. So it kind of, it's weird how it started. Like first she started playing my music on Queen Radio. Then she hit me up to actually go up there and rap for her. And then she always like, you know, throws me little bones and stuff like that.

I fuck with her for that, you know, because she don't be having to do that, but she does. Sounds like you had a better Queen radio experience than we did. Oh my God, what happened to you guys? Many moves ago. Kenny was shadow boxing with balloons in the background. I don't know. Oh, my God. I was scared.

What? I don't know what was going on. I had a great time. Nick you love me. I had a great time. Yeah. No, we are bars for sure. Yes.

I know. You guys be fighting crime. Yeah, absolutely. I think you have the best verse on that. that posse cut, would you say the same? Of course she's going to say, she got up. Yeah, bitch.

No, no, no. I'll be honest. I think Nicky's was, right? Let me tell you why Nikki's was, right? Because she said she was inspired by my flow. And the things that she was saying after me was fire. So I thought, like, hands down, like, you know, because I grew up listening to her. So to hear her, like, use my flow on the song and then kill it, I was, I was, my mind was

blown. That's why I thought you had the best verse, but once Nikki put that out and I saw that She took, she was like, because I thought maybe you heard Nikki's verse or no, no, no. The fact that she was like, yeah, I got that phone from her. I was like, oh, she clearly has best verse. She did a whole other extra verse. She said that was going to be it. She wasn't even going to do that.

And then she heard my part and was like, no, I got to keep it going. And I'm so glad she did because I don't know, I was, look, I was on a high for like months over that. I remember the first time I met Mitch who's in the studio. Same. Same. Yes. And we walk in. the jungle, I think it was jungle, he was in jungle.

Okay. Walk in and he playing his joint and it's this girl rapping and I'm like, the voice was, I was like, yo, who the fuck is that? Up from behind the fucking board because I guess he was sitting there right in behind the board. She pops up and was like me. I was like, there's no way that

girl, that's her voice. Like, there's no fucking way. Like, incredible tone, texture. Thank you. Like, is that something that you, because obviously you can't get away from me. Yeah. The Foxy and Malibalbill comparison.

No, I straight jacked the whole shit. I stole it. I ran with it. Okay. I dumped it. Okay. Okay. All right.

No, but definitely. I went through a phase where, like, when I did the top five project, I was like, I remixed Little Kim, Foxy, Lauren Hill, Missy. From there, I don't know. It was just like, I went to a deep rabbit hole of Foxy, and I was, like, listening to all her stuff. And then, I don't know, I just liked everything that she embodied. Like, you know, she was very pretty, very cutesy, but all.

also very gangston. That's how I feel. Like, you know, so I just like, I honestly jacked her whole shit. I'd be telling her all the time and she'll just die out laughing at me. But yeah, I jacked that shit. No, I'm glad you, you cleared that up because that was definitely, every time I hear Mitch, I'm like, yo, her tone is so crazy. It's definitely reminiscent of Foxy.

Yeah. But from a different perspective. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? So was that, was Foxy the one growing up? Was that the one you kind of was like, yo, she's my? Like, I've always loved Foxy. Like, really?

like growing up um i was like a nicky head od okay oldie okay later on is when i started um fucking with foxy you know so yeah but i'm definitely a foxy girl like you know she was just so fly and she's into fashion and i am too you know so yeah i think that's very new york though fly girl like you know 100 100 yeah um again congrats of getting out of that awful fucking contract you're gonna let me a party or buy me something i'm gonna la boo boo we'll do it at the studio It's a La Buba. You got to know what a La Buba is. La Bubu.

I only know about snowboarding. No, La Buba is the little duels. You don't know the little duels. Oh my God. I'll buy you guys one. Jesus Christ. We got to look it up and give her one. Yeah, I got to buy me a little boo boo boo.

Yeah. So we'll get to a lot. First of all, how much does it cost? It's like, it's only like $40. Yeah, we get a lot. Yeah. I got you. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is there like an exclusive one that you don't have? I want the one that's $500 dollars.

That's the collab with Dior. But wait, you got to open that boxers to find that one, though. So it's going to break the naked packets. It's like, well, you're walking the chocolate factor? It's like golden tickets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what do you go online and get it? You go online in the store.

It's Popmark. You got to pop mark. Pop mark? Yeah. In the city? Yeah, well, the city, they be having the fake ones. So out in here, LA, they got them. Pop Mart.

Pop Mart, yeah. And then La Bubu. There's like a $500 one. That's how much they're reselling it for. That ain't nothing. That ain't nothing to me. What you mean? But look, I'm telling you,

if you find that, it's going to break the bink because it's like you got to open it to see if it's that one. So you're just going to be sitting there for probably like weeks on end trying to find the one that I want. I don't know about this La Boo culture. That's crazy. And watch when you hear about it like in a couple of weeks, you're going to be like, yo, Malibu bin put me on to that.

La Buba. And is it just an L.A. thing exclusively? No, it's like, because you know I'm Blasian. So it's like a big thing that's happening in Asia right now. And it's happening right now too, because the Central C, he started wearing them and stuff like that. So it's a bunch of people in America trying to do it now.

He started Nike texts too, right? You're trying to get me in trouble. That's what Cid said. He said he started Nike texts. He said because of him. That was a New York thing. When I be hearing those swore? Yeah, I could have sworn.

Like, I love the fact that Sid was like, nah, I was 20 wearing a Nike text. I'm 34 now. I don't know. But we love Central C, guys. No, of course. No, of course. No, for sure.

But again, congrats. I left for that you could finally put out music. I'm looking forward to it. Let's also talk offline now that you can put music out. Yes. I just dropped something with Jeremiah. It's called Benjamin Cruz. Sort of video.

Yes. She had Jeremiah in the hood. Yes. Definitely. In the board. Did you clear that? Yeah, on 40. Minters from the hood.

She's going to check in. My bad. What are I like checking in? I did see it. I was like, she got Jeremiah uptown in the hood like in the store and all. I was like getting the mink on fly. Very fly, Malibu. You know me.

I'm checking out. She's dope. She's dope. Yeah. And Alexander Wayne shut down his whole store. for us and the Dreammore. Talk your shit. Yeah, that's fly, right?

You know, I'm going to fly girl shit. Malibu Mets to ET Awards 2025. Thank you, baby. Thank you guys. Nah, I don't even want to do an intro with this. That's it, man. Because they say we don't get along. Yeah.

It's the thing. The East Coast West Coast. It's biased right now, man. I don't think it's going to be biased. Yeah, it's biased. No, it's not. It's not. It's our God.

Either way we wanted to talk to Kai. Uh-huh. but I had just seen my guy Reason walk this way. And I said, wait, they're in the same venue? Yeah. Yeah, we are, man. DeMaris, our other co-hosts, I have a group chat with her and reason. And when you dropped your joint, we was on his dad.

We was FaceTime on him. I was sending him beat. They was doing a lot. They was doing a lot. Why are you not replying? They were doing a lot. They was doing a lot. They was doing a lot.

We sitting here with Kyle Cash, Reason. First of all, it's good to see y'all. man. Thank you. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Beatty was 2025. You're running around acting like celebrities and shit? I hate it. I hate it. You know what I mean? You know. I know. My whole lives is totally different. That nigga said I hate it. I love it. My social

battery. Yeah, that's why I love it. Oh, it's your first one. Yeah. Yeah. It's the first one. So you got to love it. I absolutely hate it. It's good to have both of y'all here. Yeah. After the last few weeks or a couple months that we had, we sat down with a few Mazzie. We sat down on Mazzie earlier, Bellie gang, a few other rappers. And everybody was on the

page of agreeing that the moment that we had with young rappers rapping and pushing their pen and putting joints out was fire super tough was definitely neat super tough and i think that y'all too were definitely two of the guys that was through y'all hatching the ring how was it from each perspective of that moment and your respective corners coasts right and like what was the energy we'll start with you kai okay in new york during that moment when joey bad asses when we was getting fucking jumped that only you showed up i didn't like that yeah i didn't like that narrative for me it's like we're supposed to be the mecca we supposed to have the spitters we supposed to be it's crazy because I looked at it as a consumer at first okay until this nigga dropped

yeah he dropped a dead apple I said wait he's talking to us all of you niggins and nobody else is going to say like Joey bad ass just yeah like now I felt compelled so I was like as a New York rapper who am I to not put myself into this conversation right that was it okay reason because you was on we was on on spaces for sure and you said not until I dropped yeah did everybody I was yeah because you should the whole shit up. It was one of them things where I, like, I agree with Kai. Like, it was, it was weird.

It was like, why are these niggins just letting Joey catch all the fades? And so when Joey said, you admit, we was being jumped. No, we wasn't, you wasn't being jumped. But that's what I'm saying. It's like, to me, it was like, like, Joey said my name, but I didn't want to throw a whole joint at Joey because, like, Ray was going. Daylight was going. I'm like, it looked weird.

If, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, it's one nigga. So I was like, I'm going to throw Joey a couple bars and I'm going to just throw some grenades over there to the East Coast and just see. you know what pop out but kai's shit was fire though like he was thank you bro he was um and i gave him his flowers like you know like behind the scene yeah but then yeah directly after yeah directly after like to me it was just like i i was you know of course the song is a song but like i'm i'm such a huge fan of like new york culture in general that's what taught me to do how to do music dress everything you

get i'm saying so for me i'm like why is new york not like standing on the same principles that i you know what to stand after talking to some new york niggas i yeah yeah yeah how to fuck do we feel the same way about this? Yeah. And now we had odds. Right. Because of that. I know you feel that way because your family is deep rooted in Brooklyn.

It's like, I'm like, I'm looking at it. That's why I said that at the end too. Like we got to, we got to get it together. The wave is back. Like we can't do drill forever. Y'all like I like it. I'm a fan of it. Shout out to all the odds.

I got friends. My friends do drill. But it's like if we want to be who we were. If we have any hope for it, we got to step up to the play. These niggas is rapping. Yeah. But I do stand there. I told you the West is the mecca right now of lyricists,

and I'm standing on that. How you stand on that? Right now. Right now. We can talk about that later. I want a ranger shirt here. Right now. I just want to everyone to be clear.

We're going to have a longer pod for this one. Yeah. Which we definitely need to sit down and have a proper episode. For sure. How did you feel with that week and finally like lyrics trending? on the timeline, what was it like having Lake and Drama and y'all ear, your team and your ear of capitalizing off that entire moment and the pressure of what that was like? I ain't going to lie?

Because I know drama had a whole gangster grills. He was like, we'll do it in two days. They didn't even know what I was doing. I finished the song. I sent it in a group chat. I was like, I'm dropping this. Canaan was just like, run it, drop, run it. Like, let's do it. As soon as I dropped it, I sent it out, it started going crazy. It was just like, oh, I bet. This is what we're on. And I was prepared for any responses too. Like I was ready because I knew like consequences and repercussions might come my way. That's cool.

It's part of the game. Yeah. Once you pop outside, you got to, yeah, you got to be prepared for what's coming. Yeah, but not that was fire. My boy, I was on Benjamin actually sent me your joint. Yeah, and that was when I, uh, immediately I went on Twitter. I was like, I'm about to tweet this shit. This shit is fire.

Like, but, uh, but, but not like, um, yeah, you always want to capitalize off a moments from people. And it's funny to me because it's like hip hop does this thing where it goes back and forth between like lyrics mattering and then like you know like the party shit and da-da-da and then it go back for a week exactly you know what I'm saying like so you know I'm just hoping that it it can stay here in a space for a little bit because it's like it we need to have like a lane where this is the topic of discussion you know what I mean and as much work and effort as we put into it you get I'm saying like it needs to be that so how tough is it because I both you guys make great music but a lot of the times your freestyles will go crazy

the most viral literally is that like a catch-22 is that not really as great as people think it is. Does that put you in a box where you become the free? Like, I've had this conversation with Simba. Yeah. Yeah. I can speak for me. I've tried not to, like, put myself in that box.

So I try to, like, do freestyles at a time and then, like, lay off it for a cool minute. But also for me, I'm going to be honest. Like, people don't understand. It's hard to rap for three minutes straight and be crazy. Yeah, like over. Like, that shit is draining, bro. So it's like, yeah.

We need breaks sometimes, too. But for me, I would say the way I look at it now is we're in such. a subjective era of the industry, it's like a freestyle could be a hit. Look at hot nigger. So it's like for me, anything that go for me is I'm running with it. It makes sense.

I'm running with it. Like, let's do it. Like I dropped the Preacher Man feature, I mean freestyle right after Nixon 6th and it kind of went up because everybody that started to pay attention. It's just like, y'all are paying attention to me because I brought my A game with lyricism.

So it's like, if y'all fuck with me for this, even y'all, like, yeah, I'm tapped in with y'all now. So I'm gonna keep pushing the needle for it. Yeah, when I got to make songs, I'm going to make songs regardless. Yeah. But I'm going to stick to my guns because I feel like it's going to help catapult me in the long run anyway. Before we let you all go, this is just simply for our group chat.

I need you to rank who annoys you the most out of Lake, Canon, and Drama. One to three, who annoys you the most? I ain't gonna lie, we haven't got to a point when them niggins is annoying. Oh, man. Oh, man. I hope they stand in there clutching the waist. That's what that is. So everybody's at number one.

Everybody, we're good. We're all good. So now, do we have any possibility of Kyle and reason getting on the joint together? One thousand percent. Yeah, that was the first thing. That was the first thing I spoke about. I was like, we got to do a joint together.

And it's refreshing to me because, like, it don't be a lot of niggas that like can actually, you know what I mean? Like, and so whenever I find somebody that I'm like, oh, this thing is actually fired, that's the first thing I think of is like, we got to do a few joints. You know what I mean? And get some shit out. So I definitely, it's funny because I was actually going to send them some shit. I got a deluxe dropping on Friday.

and I wanted to send them some shit for that. But the timeline-wise, I was like, I'm not going to be able to, like, unless this nigga gives me the burst back in two hours. I can't. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, good, though. I didn't.

They still be there. You're like, you know, I'm going to be. What are you talking about? What? Come on, man. But no, we definitely go for some shit out. That this is what came out of that whole moment. Me too.

And it wasn't, you know, a real beef. You know, the internet tried to spin it like with something else. I never felt like that. I felt like it was just raps. It was just bars. Thanks. for the energy that y'all put into it. For real.

Thank you. For the moment. That was dope. Just being a, you know, a fan of the culture and growing up in this, this hip-hop thing. It was good to see younger cats still be able to throw their hat in the ring and staying on their pants. I thank you y'all for that. Appreciate y'all. Appreciate y'all.

All right. All right. B.T. Awards 2025. Yes. Sitting and talking to some of our favorites. And this lady, this artist, this incredible talent that we're sitting with. One of the ones. Listen.

With the new era, my opinion. Songs for Women Free Game for Niggers. that was the soundtrack I'm talking about I played that I might have played that project every single day nonstop the music was incredible

the pin game was incredible the tone everything it was just like hey bro I ain't had all these compliments from a man in a minute shut up it's too much we're not doing that

trying to put my chain back going and get right we're not doing that and you have to appreciate it because you know off mic you took one of his joints yeah it's all loved

I respected it I listen it was some gangster shit. I respected it. Sorry. Why do you do that, Twit? No, it's all good. We have the edit button. No, it's all love. It's all love. Hey, listen, I can't get in trouble with nobody. It's all love.

I like you. That's all. I can't get the trouble with nobody. It's so good. Jawsie, how you feeling? I'm so good, man. You look great. Thank you, bro. The style is always immaculate, first of the foremost. Thank you. I appreciate child. Yeah, man. And there there was also one time a woman I follow on Instagram.

She was on like one of her boat trips. Jaze was there? There was a She's gone. A lot of joints on the boat. And then after like two or three, even in the close friends, I seen Jazi hovering over. And I was like, oh, never mind. If it's baddies in the room, Jawsie there.

Lost them to the game. Jaze there. If it's baddies in the room, Jaze is there. You can't get mad. She was going to sing. She wasn't doing anything, but I just know I could feel the energy.

Yeah. Through the close friends. How you been though? Y'all know. So, y'all know that I'm a girl, right? So me and then like, do you really be my friends? Yeah, no, I say the same thing about my people friends.

It's like, these they really be my friends. Okay. You know, like if you was a girl. Yeah, I'm not. If you was, like, if you was me, right, twin. Yeah. If I was a boy. Yeah.

Well, no, it's different. You've heard the song. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like, like, with your home girl, like, you know, like, with your home girl, like, you know, like, we used to send each other lapses kids.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You never did that. She's just different. Right. But that ain't not like that.

No, nothing. It's all love. It's all love. I respect it. I don't believe. I'm not fucking with Jawsie. I'm not listening to none of this shit she talked. She with this PC shit. Get the fuck. I know what that hug outside this spot. Jaze. I know. I know page. Don't even. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I know. Yeah. I know. I know. I know. Y'all good. Y'all's what I'm talking about. It's great, man. It's good to see you beat in World 2025. Listen. Now, the airs on.

You good. It's cold as shit in here. Listen, what are we doing with the new music? New music I need it. Because the EP songs for women. Free game for niggas is a classic as far as I'm concerned. Thank you, man.

What we're doing next? What's next with Jazi? I appreciate it. So literally, I dropped the song in March, maybe. I did a stage play to, like, promote my music. Okay.

And so now I'm dropping another single, like in the June. It's called Doggin. So I've been, like, working real hard. Okay. Getting that shit out. But project is done. And I'm just want to, like, honestly, just stay consistent with dropping. Like, you know what I said?

Like I said, I got a second chance to drop music. Yeah. I sat back for, I had to follow back a little bit with all the stuff that was going on on my label. And, but now I'm back, man. And I'm just in a great space. Like, like, maybe has streamed higher than all of my songs. Really?

Yes. Wow. So, like, I'm building my phone. fan base. Okay. So like I'm loving that um, that I'm creating a like a world. Like that's like they can't, nobody can take that from me. Okay. It can't take my fans away. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm blessed to like actually see my fans. That's hard. I mean, yeah. We don't need to talk about the other label shit whatsoever. But during that time who were some of like the legends that you were working with on the writing and producing side? When? During the come up that was like one of those moments

of sitting there like, ain't no way I'm writing right now with this person. Mario wine and swing. Oh, wow. Man. Yeah. That nigga is so cold. Yeah.

Yeah, he cold. Like, I did along with him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, like, I had the song and then I called him. I was like, yo, bro, I need your help on this hook. And like, he listened to it on the face song.

And then he was like, handle me. I'm like, that's it. And so, like, it was, it's just dope to have them, like, the people around. Like, some people don't really get to be around, like, niggas that actually know how to make a hit. Yeah. Yeah. Like, we, we kind of in a bad state where it's like, we don't have, oh, geez that's around us to, like, make shit bigger or like, you know. So that was really dope to be around, like, Mario Wanis.

I got to be around Chuckie Thompson, rest of peace. Crazy. Yeah. Man, that's hard, y'all. I see y'all some real, some people, when I say Chuckie Thompson, they be like, they don't. They don't go back that far. They don't, yeah, they don't know. They don't know.

That's crazy. That's weird. We don't get the head, man. We don't get a whole era of music without. Chuck. Like, don't, bro. That whole- We don't get young guru without Chuckie. That's a fact. That's a fact.

I don't know about that. So he came under Chuckie? Yeah. That's crazy. You just told me some. You just told me some. Yeah. Wow. Chuck is a MA so much is. His imprint. Is it a Rockefeller? It's in everything. Yeah. That was a big boss for the industry.

Big loss. Yeah. I'm God. Absolutely. Who are you trying to work with now? Man, it's so many dope artists that I would love to work with. Man. Jamison

Okay I put you on a group chat right now Okay He's so cold Yeah He was at my stage play Twain And didn't take no pitches

He just poured up I'm like I wish I would have like Yeah You want to embrace him Yeah I wish I would have like I knew he was there

I could have just I could have just He's hugged him And like no You know Yeah So Jamesson I would love to collab

With Leon Thomas I love Leon Yeah Yeah Probably one of the greatest I heard I heard I heard

Did you have to The luck shit? Nah. Of mutt? No. Bro, I'm weird because I'm, like, competitive. I don't want to hear nobody's shit. Wow, you make it.

That makes sense. I don't want to hear nobody shit. It makes sense. Most actual artists, I've peeped that when they're in creation mode, they don't want to hear anyone else's shit. I'm not listening to anything else. Because it's easy for, bro. Subconsciously, bro.

You're going to take in. You're just going to just, or you're going to start matching your music up to other niggas shit. No. He's so good. I know what he's. is. I don't want to like, no. Let's just, you know what it's time? Let's get in. But I don't want, nah. But I'm about to work with us, Sid, too, from internet. Me and Sid, I love it.

What you trying to do, man? Because this is, you, these names and I'm just already knowing where it's going to go. I'm excited, bro. Like, I just want to create. I think, like I said, like, I'm done with songwriting. I'm letting that chapter go. I'm in a, I'm in a space where, like, I'm doing this for me. Okay. I'm doing this for me. And I'm doing this for, like, actually being able to feed my fans. It's getting bigger and bigger. I'm seeing it. So it just feels good to actually get love when you out.

Yeah. Yeah. Making that step, I feel like this era R&B, where rap is, it's a lot of young kids. They're 19 years old. I feel like the ABC listeners of R&B now are older. Yeah. And they were always

the writers. Yeah. Like even down from from Lange DeVos. Yeah. Leon Thomas, like all these people were writing before. Yeah. And I've had those conversation with them of like, what was the moment of like, you know, fuck this. I'm making money, but I'm not going to keep doing this writing shit. I'm going to give this artist shit a fair shape. What was that moment? Like even, all right, Victoria, Monet coming off Jaguar too. Yeah.

The amount of success she was having as a writer before, she could have been like, all right, maybe I should just do this. Stay on. We're not satisfied though. Because it's like, we know, because first and foremost, like, to be a songwriter, you got to be, you got to be selfless a little bit. and you have to like know that you don't get the sign right and I'm cool with that if you give the money yeah I will take the money if you but now y'all niggas don't want to give us our money right like now y'all want to do this that's when it started getting like all right I'll go drop my music my fan base my merch create my brand my business because as a songwriter it's hard to create a business because you're so under the shadow but now like you see me you know you know it's easy to like you know

create your own business, but I knew it when I thought, I knew, I knew, I knew, I knew it was over when, I'm not going to say the artist, man, but not even a big artist. And I gave him a banker and I asked for a point. And A&R was like, we don't do points. We never done points. I'm like, your artist is new. I did this. And you mean to tell me you don't want to be on the right side of history with giving, giving me a point? Like, be on the right side of history. You know what I'm saying? Be on the right side of history. So. And like, I think people don't want to be on the right side of history. I think it's like a, it's a weird, it's a weird time for like A&Rs because the A&Rs really don't give a fuck because they want to just protect their job.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? You know, like, it was a time where like our A&Rs actually cared about the writers and the producers, the engineers. Yeah. You want to, like, feed them. But, like, everybody want to keep their job. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Right. They're going to do whatever they can to plead. All right. So those A&Rs are bad. Have you ran. into in your songwriting time, the A&Rs that try to take pub. Oh. No, but twin.

They deserve it. They deserve it. No. So here's my doing. In some cases, yes. But there's been times that I've seen producers I've been working with, the songwriters I've been working with that they'll do something. And if they're doing something for someone on a major, I'll talk with their A&R.

And their A&R, once I get the split back of, all right, they get one percent of a pub on this shit when they should be getting five at minimum. Yeah. It's going to the fucking A.R. I'm talking about. You have a salary. You're not even. Yeah, Rory, I've seen that. Like, you don't deserve this at all. Your job is being paid over here for what you're doing.

You're so right. You're so right, but I ain't going to hold you, Roy. I use that to my benefit. Because it's like to make them do their job, I give you 2.5. I'll give you 5%. I'm not stingy. Like, I don't do that.

I get my homies pub. I get my homies pub on songs, you know? Yeah. Engineers deserve more pub than A&R. I get my engineers pub. That's fire. Like, like, like, all my, like, what uh renaissance don't tolliver like my engineers get publishing on all that shit

because i want him to get a pub deal i want him to make money you know so yeah but i definitely to agree some a and r pawns with that shit this you got to so so with the next project john because like i said songs for women is one of my personal all-time favorites the next project sonically content how how different is it or how much in the same kind of texture is it? Like you said, when you saw me, you were like a... Sons for Women was your soundtrack to your life. And my album is called soundtracks to get her back. So you don't even know what you just did there.

You don't even know, like... Okay. And that's why I did it. I want this shit to be a soundtrack for all of us that love R&B and that have had heartbreak. And they actually want to feel something. So the Sonics are different, though. Okay.

It's not as, um, I think, like, Sonsa women was like, to me, like, Mary J. Blige, what's the 4-1-1? It had that, it had that 90s tone. It was that 90s tone. This is more like 2000s, like 2000s and today. Okay, you know what I'm saying? Okay. But it's still got a little 90s, but it's not as 90s as,

What's the 401? What's the 41-1? What's the 41 was like 90s. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. It was like super 90s. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But the subject is like really losing my girl and getting her back.

So who did you have in mind specifically during songs to get her back? Losing my girl and getting lost. What you think? It's very simple. So do I have to wait for the extra deluxe to find out if it actually happened? So that's what the stage plays about. So I created a whole stage play and it sold out in L.A. my first night. And it's a...

Where did you do it at? I did it at the El Porto Theater. Okay. And so literally I had an amazing playwriter, Brianka Williams. She does The Shy with Lena Wave. She's one of the writers. And literally, it's all about the stories about the album. Okay.

So it's not so cold for, like, somebody get cute than that much. It's cold. You thought about doing it like on a short film for it? We shot it. So we shot it and we're working on film. We actually got it on the network, but I don't want to say what you're going until this time. Okay, no, that's cool. You're going to see it.

I'm waiting. I want to see it. I'm excited. invested in Jaze. I want to, I'm looking forward to anything you got going, because the way you be talking, I'm like, she's talking that shit. I got to be a part of it. I got to be a part of it, man. I appreciate

that. I love that. I love that, like, I'm seeing a lot of men really loving R&B like this. I'm a R&B for sure. It was a time I used to think like, niggas didn't like, it was weird how they made me think that R&B was just for girls or like, well, for this and for that. But like, I mean, even

some of like the lo-fi, toxic R&B now, I think it's just for women. I don't even think it's for us. Like, we like traditional R&B shit is what men like. I'm a R&B head for sure. You don't like Lofi? No, I do love Lofi, but too much of it and too much of the toxic shit. Like, I do want to hear men sing about loving women. Like, I don't always want to be upset at my girl. Like, I do like some positivity in my fucking life. She'll be cool sometimes. She'll be cool in the relationship sometimes. No, that's a lot. That's so good to know, bro. My last nerd question,

did you have an opportunity to work with Stacey Barth? And what is it like working with, I think, one of the most underrated voices. Shout out to Stacy, man. Songwriters. Like, Stacey to me is one of them. Yeah. She did one of my favorite songs on a love album,

Closer to God, Tiana Taylor. Yeah, with Tiana, yeah. Stacy, I did a banger for Stacy. I'm so mad, she didn't cut it. So mad. So, I Jolly rolled the eyes right there. I'm so mad, Stacy. Yeah, yeah.

But Stacy's amazing. Yeah. Stacey, Stacy, to me, she's not a, she's a spirit. She's like a particle. Yeah. She's like, um, how I look at, like, Bilal and how I look at Erica Badu, they're particles. Yeah.

Like, it's just like, she can just, ah. So I don't, man, I love Stacy. Yeah. Yeah. She called. Stacey's one of them. Yeah, she wanted them. It's hard to write for her, too, because she doesn't, she doesn't, um, when she sings,

it's like she flows. Mm-hmm. So it's like, you got to just let her freestyle. And then if she wants to give you a few lyrics, if you want to throw a few lyrics, but you just got to let her go. Because she's like, she's like, you know. Yeah, she's water. Yeah.

Now, we definitely got to get Jolly. Whenever you in New York, you got to come by the studio. You got to come kick orders, man, please. Yes, please, please do. Like I said, I'm invested in Jawsie fully. I love everything you're doing. I support everything that you're doing and can't wait to see and listen to what you got next for us. And if you don't pull up, it's pageful.

And stop putting this loud about me with D.D. girls because I'm going to be talking by my wife. I thought you got her back. No. No. That's Joshy, y'all. My side bitch is my bitch because my mom.

That's how you start off? I have the t-shirt. When did you turn? When did you turn toxic? I was working at, when did you turn toxic? I was working at Dev Jam when you put that record out. Damn, for real. I have the promo shirt still in my crew.

Oh, it was gold. That has that whole shit written out. Yeah. Man, that's amazing. So we are here joined by somebody. that I think is the epitome of when the internet says, oh, one hit wonder shit, this and that. Creatives, no matter what situation you put them in, will always conquer, will always find a way. And I think Trinidad James is a perfect example of that.

Yeah. Coming off, you know, I mean, all gold, everything was what it was. But I have been more impressed by everything you have done since. Thank you. As a creative, whether it be on some punting shit on CNN or in the fashion world. shit, when we connected, we was at the Gucci store, some shit. Yes, sir. At an event, like, everything you've been doing outside of when you popped off,

I think it's been incredible. Thank you, man. Truly, truly appreciated it. It's been a journey. This is actually year 13 for me. Wow. Damn, 13 years already? 13 years, bro.

You know, and it feels like three. Yeah, it moves fast. It moves fast. It moves fast. And you learn a lot about self. You learn a lot about life in this. fantasy world of entertainment. Fantasy world of entertainment.

I like that. It's just a fucking circus. I come from real life. I come from real life. Absolutely. So I never lost tap of real life. Right. But I come and jump into fantasy too.

Yeah, yeah. We got a little bit. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. I remember, like, even when, you know, you first pop with Allgo to Everything, I remember everyone telling me, like, yeah, he does a music thing, but he was so prominent in Atlanta with the stores and

fashion and everything. Like, nah, this is not just somebody that. caught a lick. Right. What's the back history of what you were doing in Atlanta before all good,

everything you had hit? So I was a stylist, street dude, trapping a little bit. I ran one of the most popping boutiques in the city. That's how I got to meet all the DJs and artists

because they came and shop with me. And I never told them I did music. I kind of just put my CD inside of their shopping bag because I just don't believe I'm not a handout type of person. Yeah,

I'm a bootstrap type of person. That's how my dad raised me. Okay. And that's how I kind of just built. Like when they started realized like, oh, that's my guy from the store. Yeah. It built a different respect because it's like I earned it.

Yeah. And but that's what I was doing. I was dressing people. I always been my task and duty is to make sure that our culture stays shining. And that's just by showing us that you can express yourself. You know, come as you are, but make sure there's intention in your presence. Right. You know, and that's what it's always been, man.

Like, you saw me through my visual. Okay. You know, and my visual is what made people show some. somebody there's like, you see this nigga? See this nigga? Right. See this? You know, it's like, and that's because it's like, it brought life into what we need it.

Sometimes you don't know what we need, but God gave me the energy and I guess the presence to be that of like, oh, look at the artists that we get now after 2012 to now, you know, 20, 25, 13 years later. Right. Of like, just new type of R&B where they don't have to show their face no more. They don't got to be pretty. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you can be who you are. are and let your talent be the star. Right. It's pretty dope, man. What's some of your earliest memories growing up of BET? Like, what was some of the shows that you was tapped in with? Like, none of us grew up and you couldn't go in our homes and not see BT on television. But what was some of your earliest memories of BT?

Oh, I mean, the biggest moment is the first time I'm laying in the bed with a girl that I spent the night with. She was a dancer. Shout out to her. Okay. I wake up in her bed. I think it was my first time being with a dancing. Okay.

First time. Not as the last time. It was my first time. With a dancer. In that capacity. Yeah. And she was like, What?

Cuddling, of course. Of course. You know, we don't fornicate. Right, right. Who does that? I'm all right. Nobody from Trinidad. Whatever do that.

Throw that thing away. Yeah. And she wakes me up like, you on TV? And I'm on BET jams and they're playing like back to back to back. And I was like, oh, man, because I grew up looking at BET jam. Right. And so, you know, that was like the first little piece of, all right. Yeah.

You know, I think something is changing in my life. And it's all for the better because people are happy for me. Right. People who don't know me. She didn't know me. Right. You know what I came in that shrimp club? It felt like she did.

Right. And we spent the night together. So we did. If you don't have to pay them. If we're going to cut them away. Exactly. You got to cut her all night. All night.

You got to cuddle all that. Oh, now. Yeah. Obviously, you know, we have people like, you know, rest and peace to Virgil, currently with Salahi and everything that he's doing. What is brand partnerships with fashion missing right now with the actual creatives and designers currently in 2025?

Because I feel like we catch a good one like with Salahi. What he's doing is amazing. Right. There's so much disconnect in between. It's only so many spots. Until more people make brands that are successful, the brands that are successful, could only pick so many black people to do it.

It's not like it's a black brand. People just want black support, but it's a white brand. If it's owned by white person, it's a white brand. Then that's real. That's fine. That's totally fine. If a white person owns it, that was made for his people. Right.

But if other people support, we have beat the Matrix. Because now I get black money and white money. But a white person could always get white money. Right. A black person can't always get white money. You know what I'm saying? And so I say that to say, has more brands come to life or whatever, you'll be able to see more people of culture.

get a chance to add to the repertoire. But if you're expecting Nike to catch every Trinidad James type of cultural person to do something, you're going to be pissed. Yeah. Or whatever, because there's only so many times they can, it's only so many spots they have allotted for people of color or people of culture, the ones that matter in the culture. That could be a black person, white person, or whatever. Like, sometimes they just miss the ball.

Yeah. You know, but when they get it right, we'd be happy. You know, when Joe Fresh Good is getting a chance. Shut up, my God. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's dope, man. and over delivering for New Balance. Yeah, like going absolutely Jordan crazy.

They look like for the best fucking soul of experience. Chicago is on fire again. Again. Consistently, you know, so I'm a prospective person, man, and I'm a super realist. People only doing what they can. However, just because somebody is worth it, that I mean that you have to do it. Right. Who are some of your favorite black designers and favorite black brands, right?

now on the fashion side. I enjoy RGB. They're from Atlanta. I like another young brand called Lemons on Fire. They're from Atlanta. Lemons on Fire? Yeah, lemons on fire. I like the name. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. That's all. Give me this. Yeah, I look cool.

I just opened the store, too. I was like, I want to carry all in my store. Okay. I got closed the store in Atlanta. Black designers, who else do I love? We said Joe already. I'm biased to Joe. So we are a really good shoe designer So Slay is my guy Oh, Nina Chanel Okay

Nina Chanel If you don't know Nina Chanel Do your homework Nina Chanel is amazing She got her own Jordan 3 Your own Jordan 2 She's an amazing painter She did the cover for Meek Mills

Album expensive paint I think Yeah However she's a beast She's a beast For sure Oh yeah Yeah I'm gonna stop there Stop while I'm ahead

Now I didn't notice when now, you know, we obviously first got into Trinidad James' music, but you are very, your tasting sneakers is very unique. Like I've caught a lot of your clips online and I'm like, damn, I wouldn't think that

Trinidad was that tapped in when it came to the sneaker culture. What's your absolute favorite sneaker of all time? I don't know if I have an absolute favorite because I just have a story with these shoes, man. I've spent 20 years doing shoes. Yeah. but Jordan 2's the original whitebacker

of my favorite Jordan period I'm a white Air Force 1 A patent-leathered Air Force 1 guy When they come into crazy colors The Brazil's the Portugals Honduras You name it, the Yannis Whenever a nigga go

Air Force 1 low Patent color Sign me the hell up I'm defeated But also I love the ratchet stuff Soldier E-box You know what I'm saying About 5411s

you know, feel eyes. Like, just support people's stuff. Right. You know, I did my collaboration with Soconi, Sakoni, according to where you're from. You know, like, bro, that's the first shoe I ever got as an immigrant from my parents. Soconi has been, they've been smoking shit lately.

Yeah. Shout out to that, brother. Over there, my boy, Jay Tips. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it's not always about, you know, big brands only have so much space. Every brand only has somewhat space to let in our culture.

Yeah. It's about more people, like new brands, like Hoka and Solomon and our on cloud and all these new brands that's coming. You just got to see more of those and then you'll see more people that you think like, oh, damn, she deserve a shot. He deserves a shot. Why this person don't have a shoe yet? Yeah.

Need more shoe companies. Yeah. Before we let you go, I know you're going to be biased, but I still want to ask this question. Uh-huh. Between Jamaica, Trinidad, and Guyana, who makes the best curry chicken? Trinidad. And I was going to be biased regardless. Let's start.

Let me look at my shirt. Yeah, yeah. He made a Trude that flag, right? Oh, this is nothing. He's just a red shirt. Just a red shirt, bro. Don't be on the Tobago side today. Yeah, bye, yeah.

But when we got our independence as a country in Trinidad, the first workforce that was, it was that came to Trinidad was Indians from India. Yeah. So they brought the recipes with them. So we have mad Indians in Trinney. So you can't make curry chicken better than Indians. We have more Indians than other islands. Right.

However, so Jamaica and Jamaica's curry is going to be a spicy one. Guyana, they're really good cooks there. Some of my favorite chefs are of Guyana. And heavy Indian population. Come on, boom. You know what I'm saying? But I just, I think that Trinney, I think because of our Indian population. I think y'all are the perfect middle between Jamaican curry and Guyanese.

Like, it's the perfect mix. I was going to say Trinidad, too, though, by the way. I mean, bias on the Guyanese side, but I think. I do think they have perfected both of those. Why are you biased on the guy on these side? There's got to be a girl. It's definitely a girl. I'm telling you, man.

These women, man, they got us, man. They got us so good. You thought I love my homies. He's like, that my parents took him to glory. I know when he was seven. It was a woman. He had a basketball tournament. A big Jim Jones fan.

I love Kool-A. I went to Georgetown University. That was so many entendres. I should be a rapper. Yes, yes, yes. I will say you guys have the best carnival. Oh, yeah. Top of the top.

Carnival, yeah. Top of the top. Is that even like debatable at this point? I mean, people from Brazil might have something to say about that. And the West Indies. Like Brazil has more people. Yeah, yeah. If you have more people, you have more power.

Yeah. You got it. But Trinidad Carnival. On the West Indies and the agreement, if you're not Brazil, we are number one. That's the fact. That's the fact. That's the state pan. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's like, you know, that's the last hand instrument that's got developed and the made, created the last, in the, 20th century. Exactly. Yeah. No, I'm Trinidad Carnival.

The big vibes. Absolutely. Trini Massive. Yeah. I know you spent so much time in New York. How much did you really tap in with the West Indian culture in? Um, on and off. Like, at my artist's time, I spent way more time.

When I was young, bro, I didn't have no green card. I wasn't tapped in to having fun. I was trying to survive. You shot me tapped out. You don't know me. I'm not here right now. I'm not here right now. Yeah.

I'm saying. So, like, as a young person, man, when you grew up in a Trinity household, you don't have to go out there looking for more validation from other Caribbean because my household is Caribbean. And I was really born in it, you know? My father's born in Tobago. My mother's born in Trinidad.

You know, when we came to this country, we went to Jacksonville, Florida. And when we got down the hard times, we came to Queens, New York, and we lived with my uncle. That's more Trinneys. Yeah, absolutely. I'm in Little Trinidad inside of my uncle's house

who passed away, right's Uncle Eddie. You know, so, but now as an entertainer, you know, being able to be front, like last year, I hosted the Caribbean, in the music awards. Like, I presented an award. It hit me up to do that. It's like, I took pride in that.

You know, I showed up looking like it. Because it is a big deal to be Trinidad, James. You know, the things that I go through that are not good, but make it through and still have good energy to give to other people and still do things of power. That shows the resilience of a Trinney. It shows what type of character Trinidadians are built with. So I'm just thankful to be Trinidad and be born in, bro.

Yeah. I salute to that. I think that's a beautiful way to do that. Absolutely. Just salute to that. Shout out to our God, Trinidad, James. Pleasure me and you, pleasure, me, and you pleasure sitting there. Love, love.

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Friends and family. Friends and family, this is family. Never since the word, we with our god a legendary hitmaker. Hitmaker. How you feeling, family? Man, I feel good. I gave y'all some relief of the phone he kicking it, bro. Yeah, my God, man, thank you.

I looked at myself. I burned. I'm like, oh, yes. We can really just kick it and have a good time. I brought my artist with me, man. What you got with you? Go ahead, love. My name is Toyan, all the way from Montego Bay, Jamie.

Montego Bay. Okay. She got that total vibe hit. I said, what you're doing? That's that totally. Yeah, man. Yeah, I see it. You know what I'm saying?

A little Tony Braxton. There you go. Jamaican. He's from Long Island, New York. Long Island, New York. Let me say a little louder, you know what I? Yeah. What's up with this Long Island thing?

Like, we've been doing interviews and people have been like, yo, do y'all not consider Long Island, New York? It's not New York City It's not New York City It's not New York City Yeah, right? Yeah, it's cool It's not New York City

One black from Queens Like, it's just How you feeling, man? Amazing Listen, Roy Yeah, I know you're gonna say some bullshit

This I'm like I know We don't got to talk about it But he just showed me a clip What you got going on And what you're doing, dog? Bro, I'm just, I'm just, he

Ray J asked me a question Yeah And then you know how it broke loose You all know I don't got no filter, bro. You don't know Y'all been knowing me for over 10 years. You know I don't give a fuck, so I'm a tell the truth. Listen, I don't, I don't know, but.

What's funny is, if the puff shit never hit or arrest. This would be nothing. That wouldn't shock me at all that he said that. Let's say none of this puff shit is in court. I'd be like, yeah, he probably said that, you, absolutely. Listen, I'll see what you're doing. Now you know your freaky-ass nigger. Now you're all on my own, my truth.

Now y'all want to judge my truth. No, no, judge it. Well, I think you were raging. He put me in an intimate headlock one time. Yeah. I believe. I'm just telling you my truth. I believe you.

I was in those same arms. That is crazy. You and Ray J look like y'all might be on. Y'all, y'all look like y'all need your own show, man. That's really what I thought after that. I was like the Bergen and Ray J. Yeah, like y'all personality, that's must-see TV.

Yo, I ain't gonna lie. That is much TV, though. We got so many stories and just so much history. Bro, the nigger, the nigger is so crazy. We were in Atlanta. He took Whitney Houston. a compound or Whitney Houston bro, bro, listen

we in there and we in the SUV. Whitney's so gangster. Me and Ray Jail's performing sexy kind of act, the compound randomly. She so gangster, she sent the security they came and got a gull like the Magnum Patron Silver. Whitney was drinking Patron out the gallon Magnum, bro, in the truck with us. Look at the stories they got. You can't make this shit up.

You cannot make something like that up. You know, how is there no footage of Whitney Houston at the compound? Bro, I think it's a picture, man. Dray Sinatra, I think he got a picture of this shit, man. That's the exact. We need that picture if you got it, man. Is compound even still open? No.

No, no, no. Compound is legendary. That's been close for some years now. But hit meek, listen, man, we don't use the word, legends with everybody. You are obviously a legend in every sense of the word. Damn, thanks, bro. How was it now? You got your new artist with you.

What's coming, man? Because we always know you in the studio. Hit going to be working. Well, you know, I got partnerships with six different artists right now. Toy Ann, Ron, our two of them. Tink, of course, is one of them. We got a new record. We've got a new record.

videos in the can done already so that's gonna be exciting. Then Ivory Scott is another one of my artists. Dreamdoll, I just did a partnership with too. And this record that she's about to drop, I'm gonna be honest, Dreamdoll's out rapping all of these rap women right now. She was, I was rapping for real.

And I was impressed. We brought that up like two or three episodes ago just because we was talking about the Tory Lane shit, which I don't want to talk about. But I was like, do you remember, like, her bars are different? Yeah. Like, that girl could rap rap.

Yeah, she could have. She said she had Beijing all in her leg. That was bugged out. Like everyone needs to revisit that disc record. That was of the era. That's making a top 10 disc record of this era. Like she went nuts. So I'm excited to hear.

Yeah, look, I got a curveball. Paul's Angela Simmons, aka Angela Renee. She got something that she's doing is not rapping or singing, but it's something very interesting. She could probably tell y'all more, but we got a record with Jada Kiss.

It's about the drop. I got a partnership with her as well. Love it. Yo, look at the shit he'd just be throwing. Yeah, Angela Simmons, Jada, got a record with Jada. It's about to drop. don't worry about it. It's coming soon. How on do this connection happen? Man, you know, when I was at Atlantic, y'all know, y'all remember I was working at Atlantic and

working at Empire. And like, after I sold a portion of my catalog, I was just like, man, I want to invest and, like, really build my own thing because I've had an opportunity to break other artists with my sound and with my vibe. Y'all know I was doing the flips and everybody kind of came and like got on that type of time. So like right now, the really important to me as a producer is to break these artists with my own sound, with what we're doing, what we're creating. and it's a studio 24-7. So it's a new journey. I'm excited.

Outside of just being a producer, on the exec side, while you're making these records, what are you keeping in mind? Because you've broken a lot of artists. You've revamped a lot of legends careers. Absolutely. What is in your mind when you're actually making these records? What would Roy do? No.

Because I know you lying. Because we constantly talk about, I constantly, when I play and stuff, I'm like, you know I love it, but you ain't going to like. Yeah, yeah. Since we want to talk about bullshit, why did Rory do that with Hit Boy? Oh, let's talk about it. Why did it? Why did Roy do that?

I'm glad we definitely sort of had a reconciliation. I think Aunt Clemens put us on. Yeah, for sure. So here's the thing. Which I did apologize. I'm like, Rory's my friend. Why would he do this? Okay, I went about something wrong.

I will always admit when I'm wrong. I can't remember none of this shit. I'll break it down in a very quick way. So I was in with Hit Boy in Basley. Okay. He played me his, him at Alchemist's project. And on one of the records, he was doing like his control version of producers. Okay.

Where he's saying everyone's name and certain stuff. Yeah. He said it was all in good fun. It was not like no beef shit. So I called Burke, thought I was doing the right thing because this is my man. This is his family. I was like, yo, hip boy has this joint. Like, are you cool?

And here's the thing. Here's why I fucked up. I left out a part that in my mind didn't, matter that much until he broke it down to me and I realized I was wrong. He brought up a certain situation that happened in Berg's past in that. In the jab, I can see why Berg was mad that I posted it. I thought it was in good fun. And I was like, I checked in with him, told him what it was. But then when you explained the shit to me later, like, dog, he's talking about an event that's not funny to me. I was like, you're right. So I did fuck up in that regard. Okay. I thought it was

good fun and didn't take into consideration that specific part of it. So yeah, I was, I was wrong. And we love everybody. We love hip boy. He's not on the radio. and I'm on a radio 24-7, and that's just what the reality of things is. Seaberg. Yeah. We just got to a good space, though. He was my thing, too.

Like, it was off the heels of you doing the Hot 97 shit, right? And I wasn't saying nothing wrong. I just said I make radio records. He's a legend. I love hit boy. We've talked before. We've talked about collabing and all of those stuff. I said, my forte is radio records.

That's what I do. Okay. Niggas in Paris. He got legendary records. I ain't nobody taking nothing from him. But you over here, he's doing that. And he took it. and went and ran left with it,

you know what I'm saying? We do that often, man. Like, it's all, like, we, ego, miscommunications sometimes just happens. But, I mean, obviously, like, y'all are both legends in every aspect of the word, hit maker, hit boy. I mean, shit, do my album.

Either one of you, niggas, please. No, Roy got to do it. I would love Roy to do my album. Let me just talk myself about 12. I don't even think he's your friend because he hasn't done your album yet. He's, bro, like, they're giving this nigga all heavily critical claim.

Every step, step. we've done where I'm rapping. I rap on our pod now. I'm gonna push a t-shirt. I try to get Ma'all to rap all the time. Yeah, he does try to get me rap, but I ain't rap. I'm gonna talk to shit. I'll open to Able to-Suit box, Maul, and pull that Rockefeller chain out and get in the booth, my nigga, what's up?

And, like, I know some of mall's history. He wouldn't be lying in his rhymes like some rappers. No, I definitely wouldn't. But the statute of limitations. Mall had bricks. Maul didn't have bricks. I ain't, no, I ain't got nothing. Let's talk about the new artist, the beautiful toy inn.

Yeah. Montego Bay. Yeah. What we got? What can we expect to hear something from Toyan? Because the look is immaculate. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it. But I want to hear what you got for us. Thank you. I mean, you can look out for my new single, called Freak coming out this month.

It's really something special. I feel like we figured out, we've been in the studio locked in and we kind of figured out how to kind of fuse together, R&B and dance hall, you know, a little bit of what hit does and, you know, my culture. And I feel like it really hasn't been done this way before. and I'm really excited for people to hear it. I feel like there's a whole new lane that we've created. And yeah, I'm really excited about it. Well, you were here, so I know the music is going to be incredible.

Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel now that vibes is out and he's free? Is the energy different? I mean, I'm really happy that he's out. I actually did a song with him called Ice Queen. Right? It was like he was literally in prison at the time when he did the song.

And he's a legend in this and I'm so happy. I'm so happy that he got out. I mean, the energy of dance hall has really, it's been uplifted since he's been out, and we're happy for him. Yeah, I can't lie. I'll be mad jerk chicken and right since he's if he came home. Yeah.

I'm so happy that he's out. And I'm hoping to have another song with him. Oh, I'm sure it happened. Yeah. The remix of this freak record. And if y'all know me, freak, of course, it's a good sample on there. Oh, it's good, the old school freak.

Yeah. Oh, you flipped that? Yeah, but my way. You'll see. Okay, that's one of them already. I want to hear that already. Are we getting a Eddie Murphy party all the time flip for the Long Island. Crowell, bro.

Burr, you got to flip that. That'll be incredible. Yeah, what's your idea? Don't think about that. People act like Eddie Murphy doesn't have joints. Eddie Murray got joints. Rick James wrote it. Yeah, he definitely did.

Yeah. So you got to make that head. Listen, you went to, if anybody could chop it and make it, and make it sound It's this man right here. This guy, though, incredible. These are new partnerships a year. I think I've known both of them.

In a year, Ron has, he won a Grammy with Chris Brown on the 11-11 album. He wrote the record stutter. And then, man, what else? Publishing deal, label deal, Grammy. Top 10. He wrote three or four top tens right now, whatever, is a songwriter with me. So, that boy, moving.

Burt. Burt. He's going to keep the Avengers together, man. He's going to keep the Avengers together, man. This nigga, Burry. going to always do it. Even when he lose one to some brisk. Yeah.

He gets given up to one. Yeah. You cut that part. Yeah. I hate that I know y'all, niggas. Because I really want to talk. Well, thank you guys. I look forward to new music.

Everything you got going on. I'm happy that we could reconcile. Yeah, man. I wasn't sure if our Aunt Clemens' FaceTime got it there, but I feel like I feel good, man. I know what's some shit whenever Bird called me, be like, yo, what's up? What's up with Rory? I'm like, what happened? I don't even know what's going.

But I'm glad that we was able to get everything to a better place. You don't have respect because we're family. We go through ups and downs and that you sometimes have to respect bars when you're arguing with somebody. After I posted, I was at the airport and him and I got on the phone. I don't know if it was text or on the phone when you said, oh, I see that you got the clout you could use. Yeah, but look.

I was like, I mean, I mean, you got to talk about. You got to wear that. We've known each other for so long since I had a skis. any thin chain and I was playing all my Jeremiah and $5.0000 songs. We were doing escape the room. We did escape the room together and you with this nigga escaping his room. I apologize, man. It's all up. My God. My God. I appreciate you, man. All right. We're back.

BT Awards 2025. And listen, we are sitting here with Fight royalty. This is the undisputed women's heavyweight champion. This is no games being played at all. Everybody getting their ass with July 26th. Yeah. Anybody that shows up to the fight in a ass with. He's not fucking around.

We are with Cloressa Shields, Flint, Michigan. How are you feeling so good to meet you? Big fight fan, but I'm a big fan of yours as well. Thank you so much. I feel really good. You know, I'm here because I'm not mad at for the sportswoman of the year for the BT award. It's my first time.

Yes. I won every other award. I feel like the award is yours. I feel something, but I really have no idea. It's so many great women who are nominated. But, hey, I guess we have to wait and see for tomorrow, but I'm really just happy just to be here. Now, you took time off, I'm guessing,

from your training schedule to be here at the BET Awards. Somewhat, I worked out this morning. Okay. And I'm going to work out again when I leave here. Okay, oh, two a days. Yeah. Shorty don't stand a chance, July 26. Clarissa working out.

coming to the media room and then going back to work out. Yeah. We were talking to a lot of artists in the media room today about how important it is to not only be an artist, but you also have to know how to promote your music. Is it the same way in the fight world of not only do you have to be an amazing athlete, you have to be an amazing promoter? Is that something that's on the top of your mind as much as working out is?

It's not my mind as much as working out is, but I know that it's very important. I think that it's not just about promoting a fight, but promoting your brand. So my brand is greatest woman of all time, the quote, right? And so with that, it's like I have to give you the quote of everything. I have to come here. I have to look really good.

Like this morning, I had on a beater. I had on some shorts. I was running. I'm sweaty. I had my braids in. And then I show up here and I'm looking like a model type stuff. So you have to know how to balance it out. But for me, it's like I have to promote all that.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm promoting the fight. I'm promoting myself. I'm promoting my brain. and your brand will outlive your career anyway. That's just the truth about it. Yeah. What is some of the things Claritia Shields is doing away from the fight game.

Like, obviously, you've dominated women's boxing. We all know the legend that you are in that field. But what are some of the things that Claritia Shields is doing that most people have no idea about? I think that they have no idea that I have 175,000 subscribers on YouTube. They have no idea. Right. But I make money off YouTube.

I'm streaming. I pray a lot. Okay. I love karaoke. Okay. First of all, what's your go-to karaoke song? Return to the bat and last train to Georgia's my, those are my two go-to. Last train of Georgia, my God, God.

Yes. Jesus Christ. That's my ghost. I didn't expect that. I'm sorry, midnight train to Georgia. That's my go-to. What's your go-to karaoke? Listen, Tina Turner, what's love got to do with it?

Okay. Hey, listen, if I, soon as they get to the karaoke spot, I'm like, hey, you know what I'm here to say. You know what I'm here for. You know who just entered the spot. Right. So we had the BET Awards 2025. Growing up in Flint, what was some of the shows that Clarissa was watching on BET?

Oh, my God. I grew watching 106 in Park. Okay. Mr. 106, Bow Wow, and Germain Dupree will be performing at the BT Awards. Yeah. That's what's up. I watch the BET Awards. Yeah.

I'm freaking watched Nickelodeon. Mm-hmm. I watched a lot. lot of stuff on BET. I can't even, it's so many things that don't really exist no more.

Rap City's gone. I mean, they need a 106 revamp. It was so much stuff that I watched from BT, but definitely I can remember like all the award shows, the Grammys.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I watched all that stuff growing up. Can you speak to the state of Michigan and what it means to professional boxing? Yeah, because it's, Michigan is known.

Yeah. For the fight game. Michigan is a fight pound. Absolutely. You know, and I have said that Flint is shaped like a glove. So it's definitely shaped like. Yes. Flint is definitely a fight town.

I think that it takes the right fighters to bring fight fans together inside of Michigan. So before me, it was Tommy Hearns. I think Tony Harrison had some things he was doing. You know, Joe Lewis is from near Sugar at Robinson. He had some great fighters, but I'm the first female from Detroit to actually bring the eyes that I've brought. Absolutely. And I mean, well, I'm from Flint, but to bring it to Detroit. And I feel like it's just a huge fight town.

If I fight in Flint, Detroit, or any of the surrounding areas, the fight go crazy. Yeah. You know? So it's definitely a fight town. And we have some of the best fighters in the world that come out of Michigan. So July 26, you all fighting in Detroit. Yeah, at Little Seasons Arena. 19,000.

Crazy. Rick Ross is walking me out. I know it's going to be sold out. Is it going to be an original record or is he doing one of the regular Royce Records. Is he something from scratch? On the walkout? Is he going to be rapping? Yeah, but what do you mean from scratch? Is it a new song? No, it's not a new song. Got you. No, no, no. It's going to be a few different ones. I'm going to mix him up up in a collage or whatever. Oh, I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't even know which song, because it takes

a certain song to give me ready for a fight. Listen, I just want to know with the Detroit BMF connection, like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, you know, I feel like, you see all this stuff that you're very smart. You got to do that. You got to be in. At least start with BMS, but I love the idea of doing a medley of a bunch of different Ross records. Yeah. Yeah. So fighting at home in Detroit, obviously everybody's anticipating what you're going to do July 26th. We all have you winning by knockout.

Yeah. How are you preparing yourself mentally just to go out there in front of the hometown and perform and put on the show? Honestly, I just train my hardest. Like, I work out very, very hard. I like to be focused. I block out a whole lot of noise. Like, it may look like I entertain noise. but honestly, if I do something for a second on social media,

like once I cut it off, I don't really think about it no more. Like, I'm not sitting on social media for hours going back and forth with people. Yeah. Read in the comments. Like, I really just on there. If I see something, I'm like, whoop, and then I get off. You know what I'm saying? But I'm leaning more of leaning more toward the positive side.

And just outside of the ring, and I'm working on so many different things. Like I am so close to getting that $20 million and $30 million deal. Yeah. you know, endorsement that I really can't give my energy to bad things. Like, I get into my fighting. Yeah. You know, and knowing that everybody up in Detroit in Flint and in Michigan and just around the world who support me is looking forward to me fight, I want to perform. Like, like, it's okay.

Okay, I fight like a guy. Sure. I take it. Yeah. But it's like, that takes work. Absolutely. You know, and anybody can get beat. So for me, it's like I don't ever want to get beat.

I want to beat everybody and to knock these girls out takes a lot because they come in, they don't really have what I have. So they want to take what I have. So I just kind of put my energy toward that and making sure that I'm mentally well because it's hard to be mentally well in the world that we live in. So I fought with depression before and anxiety and all that stuff. So I've been able to conquer those things, but you can't conquer it if you're focused on negativity.

You have to focus on our positive things and count your blessings. Like I have a lot to be happy about more than I have to be, to be upset about. What are you doing as far as like for the young girls that want to come up in the fight game? Like are you mentoring any girls? Do you do work directly one-on-one? You have any organizations directed towards young girls in fight? So my 501C3 is Shields Community Irish Corporation.

Okay. And I trained over 2,000, 3,000 kids in Flint, Michigan. Love that. And I used that corporation to do like big Christmas giveaways, Thanksgiving giveaways, hats and coast giveaways, Easter giveaways, Easter egg hunt, bikes. I wasn't able to do I've kind of been on pause for this year because I'm getting everything that I need to get

in my life together but as far as in every year before now I have done it every year and that's more of what I do so I am going to get back more into training kids and I don't just train girls I also train the boys too so my little niece

she's five years old she boxes my nephew Bradford is 11 he boxes my little nephew Gemini he's eight and he's not a fight too but he won't do gymnastics. So whatever. That's a lot. No, a combo of having something I could do gymnastics and fight is the most dangerous human being on.

He told him how to do a backflips. This dude is pretty special. Yeah. You know, and how to ride a bike. Gymnitonize very, very special. Yeah, I like training kids. So I was training kids from the ages of 8 till 16. That's amazing.

Before we let you go, I have mixed feelings on the YouTube celebrity boxing thing, the exhibition fights. How do you feel about that entire thing? I think it does bring a lot of money and attention to boxing in a time when it's been odd of what's being promoted and what's not. So I think it does some good, but it's also amateur fighters that are probably getting more money than professional fighters at the current moment. How have you felt about that? And my last follow-up question, Jake Paul, round one, you think you knock them out? Okay. So your first question, um, listen, it is. this boxers job to build their brands.

Yeah. And that's something that I actually learned from Jake Paul. Like, I didn't learn about their brand, but I'm like, ask myself, how did this dude come out of YouTube and start boxing and make all this money? Incredible businessman. Like, I got 17 world titles. I won the Olympics, not once, but twice.

Twice. I got 17 world titles, five different divisions, undisputed four different times. So I'm like, how does he making millions of dollars? And I'm making only a meal. So I had to see, you know, I'm very, very. smart and I'm an observer so I'm observing I'm like yo he built his brand off of YouTube with one million subscribers and then he just came to boxing and said hey all my fans from YouTube come support me and boxing because boxing is all about putting

asses and seats to be honest with you just how to make our money so to see that he did that and he's really good at promoting and I said that's all I'm missing so I added that to my joint and that's why you see me now with the 1.4 million followers yeah I don't be trying to get the beef on social media, but hey, it comes. It is what it is. What's what I do? I handles it. Yeah.

And again, boxing promo is beef. Listen, all press is good press. It's what they say. It depends on how you spend it. Absolutely. And, you know, so that's just what I've learned. So I don't think it's a bad thing. I think that it's teaching boxers to build your brand is very important.

Some people don't want to build their brand. Like, they just want to fight. Me, I want to fight. I want to win. I want to have my brand. And I want to make millions of dollars outside the ring also. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the Paul brothers, even when we give them flack,

I do appreciate that they have taken, like, the sport seriously. Like, I think they're both great amateur fighters, but they're great fighters. Listen, I don't have nothing against Jake Paul, but he's smoking dope if you think he'd beat me in a fight. That just it is what it is. Yeah, Chris is. I don't think it's last around, and I don't think you ever doing one of those invisible contracts where we decide it's going to go eight. You know? Listen, if he, first of all.

No knockout. First of all, Pat Pooos will never allow me to get inside the ring with the man to actually fight them. I have Pat beating Jake Paul in the first round. Bruh, I'm telling you. I'm saying that. He got dead arm anyway. He got dead arm. So he laying in.

Yeah, yeah. Like he got one like me. He didn't want to hit a critter too. Listen, man, I'm here for the Jake Paul, Clarissa Shields. Just a face off. I don't want to see y'all get in the rain, but I would love to see y'all. He got to spar me or something. I'm with you.

He got to see them head. Yeah. Talk like he can really do something. with the quote and it's like, listen, my man. Yeah. I don't know where you got that from. But something ain't clicking. Like one and two, he's skipping the number.

Like he's going like one, he's going like one five, 10. It's like, nah, it's one, two, three money. Right, right, right. Well, I'm going to go ahead and say congratulations on the BT win. I think it's yours. I think you haven't wrapped up. So I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to say congratulations on the win.

I would be so, listen, I would be like the most shocked ever if I win. I think you got it. Tomorrow for the sports of money. I swear to God, I would probably, I wouldn't know what to. I think my speech together. I would be speechless. I'm sort of can't have to be speech. I was like, what?

Yeah, yeah. I'd be very speechless, but I know that I'm deserving. Yeah. And all the girls who are all the great women, that's my name. I know I am the most, I'm the most successful and the most achieved. So I would love to see that. I think it's yours. I think, I think you got it wrapped up.

July 26. We will be tuned in. Detroit. To see you do what you do, Detroit, Little Seasons Arena. And it's a pleasure meeting you. And good luck the rest of the way. Thank you. The rest of Shell's BT Awards 2025.

BAT Awards 2025 We are back Yes And we are sitting with someone Who they probably thought We would sit down and chop it with at some point Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah This would have been a very

But they don't know it's aggressive interaction And yeah Everything is okay This is rap, this is all loves All loving hip hop We are with Ray Vaughn, how you feeling, brother? I feel like TD in his bitch

Listen, man, listen I didn't think that me and you would ever sit down And talk me. I'm gonna sit down We're gonna run into each other Absolutely I was some other shit and they have a conversation. It don't even matter.

For hip hop, dude, it's fun. Absolutely. So, where were you at the first time you sent a tweet out about mall? Like, give me that process of that first mall tweet. Like, when you popped it up, because we was on, we was on defense that turned to office. Yeah. Like, I was sitting here like, we've been supporting Ray Vaughn for God knows how long. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

And then I felt like you took it a little, shit is okay. I was the first nigga to say, yo, that nigga is, His LA leakers was one of the best ones ever. On the bean shit was crazy. I said that. That was me. It's fine. But then you said you hated morals opinions.

I said I do fuck on my day. I didn't know that because I don't like a song. He don't fuck with me. It wasn't that. It's how niggas say it. Okay. How do you view how he said it? I feel like how niggas say it is slighted.

There's like, niggas say it to get the clicks instead of it being like, oh, nah, that ain't me. It is. It is. It is. It is. My team, no. They'd be trying to get me to say shit.

I'd be like, I would never say that. That's your job to be like, nah. He don't do that. He don't do that. He don't do that. Not for cliques. What about the drink? What about the Drake glazing?

What about it? That ain't for the clicks? Nah. Okay. No. I'm not going to say a nigga. I'm going to say, Drake is talented.

I'm not going to kill Kendrick. I didn't kill Kendrick. Yes, you do. I didn't like that song. One song. You did not. They're killing me now because they pull up everything I said about Mr. Morial.

And I was like, yo, the shit is incredible. The concert was. incredible. I said all of that, but because I said, I didn't like, not like us because I'm not not, I'm not, I'm not opposed to it. He can be like, oh, I don't like the song. That's all it was. That's not. But the internet only hears, they only here is the current. They never, they forgot about what I said about Kendrick before the battle. But once the battle happened, it's the same way academics. Oh, but that's my nigga. I got around with my man. If we play ball right now, you're going to root for the other, you're going to root with your man. You fact.

Exactly. That's always been my issue where the narrative has gotten lost with everything that mall has been saying because mall's been big enough Kendrick since I've met him so when this happened obviously UTDE U.S. coast and I thought you're talking about no matter what happens with Kendrick that's our guy as you should so why when it comes on this side that's just man's for real that's my man's for real and that's so I respect that what I'm saying when I when I so that's not glazing yeah you support your actual friend is not glazing to me that's why I like that word glazing I think that shit is weird also I think it's like paul's that word is lazy using that word is lazy you do something else yeah you can use something else glad you ride for his man

all right, cool, you're supporting your man. Just like you were supporting that, I'm supporting Drake. That's all. Searching, right around. Right around, though. I'm gonna let niggas have it. Right or wrong.

This is what I'm saying. The only thing I feel like is the internet clicks, it's like, all right, that's gonna get niggas talking. And me, I'm like, all right, let's go viral. Okay. Let's go viral. I am still an up-income artist, but I'm also like one of them,

and I know that. A lot of rap niggas can't fuck with me, period. Like, we're talking rap, rap. Niggas can't fuck with me. So I'm gonna be like, all right, for sure, if a nigga jump out of the face, I'm gonna, any back phase,

anybody who feel like they're gonna talk crazy, I'm gonna talk crazy. We can keep it hip hop or not. But for me, I'm not saying, I'm not talking about talk about in general. Like in general,

like we keep your bar or not. Yeah. In the space of like hip hop, it's like, okay, everybody gonna get, that's where the Von week come from. Where it's like, all right, for sure,

I'm a shoot at everybody who feel like they got something to say. Right. Period. Well, the moment that we got from that, with Joey Badass and you and Kai Cash and Reason. We were talking with everybody this weekend about it.

Don't just not include daylight. Oh, no, I'm not assuming light. I just think that light disappeared after everything happened. Am I right or wrong? You outside, reason outside, Kyle Cash outside. We ain't seen light yet. We yet. But Light always been in a tug.

Y' was teammates for a week? Huh? Yeah, no, no, no, no. We've been teammates for Life. I know that nigga's Seattle Battle Rap. It's just. Light, I fuck with him. We love him.

We love it. I feel like that nigga Light. I feel like he did what he had to do. That was his mission and that's that. The way he closed it out, I felt like light. That was good for y'all. No, because then y'all get to be like, yeah, he washed all these niggas. He washed all them niggas.

He shot that nigger and that nigger, man. I do still feel like Joey washed. On what, on what, on what degree? If you getting jumped and you hit at least three people who put them down, you went. That's what I said on the internet. This is what I said. I said, this is why I'm missing right now. Because it's like 20 niggas attacking one nigga.

I don't give a fuck. If that nigga is still standing when you niggas walk away, he's going to always look like the winner. And I'm not, I'm not oblivious to that fact to be like, damn. In that battle, it's going to look like that because, yeah, nigga, he's still shooting. This records he's dropping his fire. Right.

And I'm not a aider. My favorite one is finals. Crash dummy, I love the hook and the beat. I don't know about the verses. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But as far as like rap, I made that nigga rap again. See, I'm not mad at you.

Even if he would disagree, I'm not mad at that take. I feel like you should feel that way. And I know you don't listen to our show outside of the clips. I do listen to your show. I did. That's why I was like, I'll be going. I'm very, very analytical. And I'm going to like diving in.

So again, like I just told you off camera, if I respond, just because I actually feel away. Right, right. I'm not going to respond to niggas. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, yeah. And it's not like y'all little niggas. Right.

You get what I'm saying? So I'm going to say what I'm going to say what I'm going to say what they got to say. I'm just not a podcast, niggas. So I'm not going to say it in a conversation. It's going to tweet. And niggas who don't know me, they're going to take it as like, oh, who, woo, woo, when it's like, if you meet me in person, I'll be like, I say the same shit I said,

but you probably won't take it as this. And I'm a funny-ass nigger. Right. So I'm a crack. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, that's just what it is. Yeah.

Yeah. And I mean, we had said, based off what Mawl saying, with daylight kind of being quiet after the entire thing, we compliment. I thought you putting out that live performance in the midst of that entire thing on YouTube was the perfect move. Like, we went back and forth of who's the real winners, this and that. Did Joey wash them up?

Yeah, that's for fun and that's rap talk. Yeah. But the way you've capitalized off putting shit has been great. And put my stocks up. That's what it's supposed to do. Yeah, that's outside of that, this one I'm saying, like, it's healthy rap. It's healthy rap. A lot of niggas on the internet beyond, because I feel like this is what it is.

Niggas hate Drake so much or niggas hate that so much, it's going to be a clear division. Yeah. I'm TDE. Yeah. To the bone. So the niggas who don't like us, They're going to get under the comments, talking shit. Even if it's not Drake, it's Joey.

So they're going to team Joey. Niggas who don't like them. It's just everything but TD. Yeah, that's what it's going to be. So I'm not mad at that. Where it comes down to like understanding how this changes the trajectory of my career, though. I'm very understanding. That's why I want combat with niggas.

And for the most part, we have most media is talking about rap. Not who fucked who, niggas, not who text message, who got more money, who got the biggest change. We had niggas talking about rap. And finding out who daylight really is. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely for real. Even if you don't like the records, you like these niggas rapping. Yeah.

And hearing about the people that know about light, that was our first thing. Yeah. Before Joey dropped, final clip, me and more was like, I don't know if Joey want that problem, bro. Like, nigga, when I heard my town, you got to know. That's the one to me, though. I'm on the phone with niggas. Hey.

This nigga dropped the gun! Nigga, I'm in the motherfucker. Man, I'm in a hotel. He called luck. And this nigga called Lux. I didn't even listen to the song. I'm just hot. And I'm like, all right, all right.

This nigga got Lux? I'm going to go get Snoop Dog. I got to get somebody like crazy out of the man. What made you want to flip back down? 50 my favorite New York artist. Really? Yeah. Okay.

I don't feel like there's nobody from New York better than 50. Okay. Artist's street. Yeah. I know what you're saying. For me, 50 my favorite New York artist. And I'm like, I got to get him. I got to get him on some.

shit that's like 50 and back down it's like I'm the underdog niggas keep forgetting that yeah that nigger joey is a vet yeah period I'm not the nigga that's gonna take we rapping so I'm a disrespect and I'm a disrespectful motherfucker especially when I used to battle yeah I'm talking about dead people I'm going to me to me okay you can say whatever you want to say to me in battle yeah if it's like we ain't engaged then it might be taking this disrespect yeah but we engaged in battle I'm putting myself on a platform for a motherfucker to say whatever the fuck they're gonna say. Right.

And I look like a bitch if I'm like, I want to kill this nigga because he mentioned my... Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So to me, I'm like, it's rap. So don't take nothing off the table.

Right. Denny angles on the table. Right. Baby oil on the table. It was on the table. Girl on the table. Everything is on the table when it comes down to rap.

Battles. Right. For me, I'm gonna be disrespectful. Afterwards, we can shake hands like nothing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So to me, it's just art.

Healthy sparring. Healthy sparring. You know, we were talking about it every day for that week on the podcast, but now we're speaking to somebody that was in that battle. Yeah. We could only speculate how people were deciding on who to reply to and who not to reply to. Because I love that everyone got in the mix. Everyone started around.

I like that idea. I feel like it made it muddy. It got money towards the end. Yeah. But like anything in this era, like once something starts to pop, everyone's going to follow. So how did you decide on who I'm replying to and who I'm not replying to? Because the understanding of the mission of like who the fuck I'm talking to. Who am I mad at?

Not mad at, but like, who am I, who my, who my, real issue is. So like, when it came, when it starts, I'm like, he's catching the stray immediately. Like, this nigga's popping around internet. I'm getting on this nigga immediately because I'm like, he's an advocate over here. So it's like, Tori, niggas don't know me and Tori are. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. This nigga, Tori called me. We just laughed. Yeah. Nika laughed until I threw the phone for like an hour and a half. Yeah. The whole era has a Tory shot. But, you know,

I want that nigga to get better, you know what I'm saying? Like with all this shit that he'd been going through. It happened the day before I dropped. And I'm like, damn, I got to change these lines. That's distasteful. We'll have a year. It's really my friend. Right.

You get what I'm saying? So it's hip hop. Yeah, yeah. We're looking at it like, oh, all right. Now if I go do that and jump out of the face, I jump out of the face on niggas, they're going to be like, damn, we're not friends because, nigga, I'm going through some real life shit. Yeah.

Yeah. And you think it's funny to rap about it. Yeah. It's not a bar. Yeah, it's not a bar. I think what y'all did was, first of all, y'all showed that a lot of the next wave up, y'all can still push the pen and really rhyme. But then y'all could also just keep it. Rap.

When we talk about niggas who killing niggas over raps, look how stupid you look. My stock didn't went up. Right. I'm getting brand cars. I'm getting other shit. Right. Just for dissing niggas. Right.

You can do that and make money. You're doing that with high level raps because that has not been profitable lately. Like, the fact that you get in those calls because you was rapping well is something that needs to be. Ain't no gimmicks. Yeah. Ain't no funny shit. It's like rewrapping. So like I said, for sport,

nigga, I respect the fuck out of it. I'm a shoot at niggas who I feel like, all right, that nigga, I gotta get him. Yeah. I can't let him. I got to get him. It's like, so even if niggas don't rap, you got a platform.

Right. You're going to respond because you're going to be like, who the fuck dudes nigga take years. And we knew what it was. I was just like, all right, fuck it, I got to get some of these bars. I can't rap, so I got to talk. Like, this is what I do.

I talk on my platform. I just love the fact to see y'all get out, go at each other, and then talking the reason that Kai knowing that them behind the channel's conversations happy. Yeah. Like him and Kyle was communicating like, yo,

that shit was hard. I didn't talk. I didn't even hit Kai. I just ran into him. Yeah. And I'm like, all right. Yeah. But then his energy was good.

Yeah. No, he's a good guy. He's a good dude. Yeah. And I'm like, nigga, you're the only nigga that I felt like beyond Joey. Yeah. I'm going to shoot CJ all day

because I'm like, fair. Taking my New York vise off fair. I get it. I get it. I get it. I'm a bleed CJ all day liar. I get it. Bro, that nigga should have not. That nigga said he was in a 20V1 after you responded. That's actually funny. Get the fuck out the way. Yeah. You're not taking back phase. Yeah. Before we let you go, complex put out a list. L.A. Rappers. L.A. Rappers. Just as a rap fan, how did you feel? Okay. I don't care about nobody list. I don't care about who feel like who is who.

Everybody going to have their own. I don't care about that either. He had his top 100, though. I feel like it is what it is. Niggas are entitled to their own opinions. Me, I don't care. Niggas gonna put me on the list wherever they want to put me. That ain't what I feel, so it don't matter.

So what's next to Ray Vaughn now post all of this? Now it's like I capitalize. Capitalize. Capitalized on the momentum. I feel like popping out. Even popping out over here where niggas is like, I wouldn't even think he would go sit down with them. Yeah.

Because they think they don't know. Right. It's media. Right. Hip hop. If you ain't down If you take shit personal You're gonna be broke forever

Yeah There's a space You might walk past a nigga Who didn't even know your face Right But he know your music I don't mean he don't fuck with you Right

You get what I'm saying So I'm like very very like I'm trying to be more In the public eye When nix would be like Oh I see that nigga As far as TDE That little nigga outside

Right And so capitalizing on that With like singles That's about to come out Singles On the project Good to Bad The Dollar Me I didn't focus on no singles

Yeah I just made sure Niggas understand A platform however niggas receive it, receive it. Now I was like, I have singles. I write for a big artist. I already done that.

So it's like, all right, now we're going to focus on putting the singles out. So now I have a foundation for niggas to come back to. When next time you're in New York, you've got to come by the studio so we can do a real proper sit down conversation, talk about all the new music you got coming out. It's a pleasure to meet you. It's away from the internet. Away from the words. It's just rap. It's just shit talking.

I respect you, love everything you're doing, and Rory and all support Ray Vaugh. Yeah. Maga. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.