New Rory & MAL - Checking In With Bryson Tiller

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

Rory & Mal check in with Bryson Tiller to talk his new double album "Solace & The Vices", inventing the TRAPSOUL sound, and the evolution of Artificial intelligence in music #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. The volume. All right, Rory, we are back with a new episode. And today we are joined by somebody who is a legend in every sense of the word. His story is very unique in how we became to know this artist. Been a fan of his for years. We've been supporting him on our platform for years.

And Rory, you would be proud of me because you say I don't just reach out to anybody. I don't like. So I took it upon myself last night. First time ever. First time ever in history and it worked. I was listening to his new album. And I was like, damn, this shit is dope. I was like, let me see when he could come on the show and reached out.

He hit right back. So y'all pull up tomorrow. So he's here today with us. The legendary singer, rapper, songwriter Louisville's finest. Penn Griffey, Bryson Tiller, is with us today. We don't have a live studio audience. They're clapping at home. They're clapping at home, man.

Don't worry about that. Just feel like that intro needs claps. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Bryce, how you feeling, man? Amazing. First of all, thank you for responding to, you know, I just co-D-Med you yesterday. Literally, this is the real story. We're just a real story.

Cole DM yesterday was listening to the project. And I'm like, nah, Bryson going crazy. I don't know if he has a bad album in a discography. He needs to come to the studio. We got a kid. I definitely do. You think you do? Yeah.

Which one? Which one is it? My second album, for show. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And there's a couple of moments on that. but for most part it was a yeah

you wasn't really feeling that one a lot of people wasn't really feeling that one you know what I mean but you know for me definitely not because you know I was not not confident as much as I normally would be you know but let's go to the beginning so your story would

would don't and I think I heard you say this before you were still working a regular job when you put that song on SoundCloud I was yeah when it's blowing up taking off What is that moment like? Like when you put a song out, you're not really sure what the reception is going to be.

And then boom, it takes off. And now you're here in New York on tour with Chris Brown. Like, what is that moment, though, back in 2014 when you upload the SoundCloud and then everything just goes from there? Man, I always go back to that moment. I genuinely thought somebody was, like, pulling a prank on me or something.

because I, like, put it on SoundCloud, and I know you can, like, pay for plays and whatnot. I thought somebody was, like, breaking me. Every day I went to, like, work, and I would check my locker. I were running my phone. Whenever it was, like, break, I was working at Papa John's Warehouse. Okay. It's like, break, and we went to break, running my phone,

check my SoundCloud, refresh 10,000. I was 1,000 more plays than I had before, you know what I mean? Earlier that morning, I was like, yo, what's going on? I never. My songs was just, like, fluctuating between, like, 1,000, 2,000 plays. I was like, yo, that was good for me. You know what I mean? But this one had 10,000 plays.

I was just like, yo, this is crazy, something's happening, you know. So I always think about that moment right there and me just checking my locker and pulling my phone. But that's also, don't takes off. That was when you didn't even want to upload, if I remember you saying correctly at the time. Yeah, because I had uploaded it once and I just, I hadn't done music again so long from that point because I just stopped because I was having a daughter and I was like, bro, I'm not trying to be somebody out here looking like. I got to get a real job. Yeah, like, let me get a real job. Like, and stop trying to make it or whatever.

Uh-huh. And anyways, yeah, my daughter, that was just not enough for me to be honest. Like, I was like, bro, I'm broke. And, yeah, I uploaded it. And I was a little embarrassed about it because I was like, I don't know. I just always get like that with music. Anytime I release anything, it's like one of my biggest issues. Like, I'm always like, I'm better than this.

So I just delete it. You know what I'm saying? And somebody called me right up. My boy, Stefan. And he was like, yo, what you? Why you delete that? You know, you got a post that back up on SoundCloud. Like, he just told me if some girls was listening to it, it was viable.

That was all I needed to hear. I was like, yo, that's why I do it right there. Yeah, yeah. The ladies like it. Like, all, let me upload this again. Yeah, for real. Like, so I did. And it was just organic through SoundCloud of how it caught?

Yeah, organic through SoundCloud. I mean, yeah. Who were some of the first people reaching out to you once it did start to spread? First people to reach out. Timblin. My dog, Rich, used to be a barber for a long time. And he was cutting up everybody. And, you know, I met Timlin here in New York, like maybe a year before that.

Okay. And I wouldn't even post me in a studio. He was working on Magnaccarter, Holy Grill. Mm-hmm. I remember my boy Rich had, like, snuck a picture with me and Timlin. You know what I mean? He wasn't posted to it. And I was like, yo, I ain't saying now my time or a year from now, even two years from now.

But just no. Yeah. You know what I mean? Something's happening. Nothing was happening at all. Timlin didn't even like my... He didn't know I was there. He didn't even like it.

He didn't like it. He was like whatever. Yeah. So... Wait, he didn't like your music? At that time, no. This was before or don't, before any of that. I like switched up my whole sound.

Like, I was like, yo, I'm about to be more grown with it. And then I finally uploaded that song and I got a call from Rich. And he was like, yo, Timbo won't holl at you. I was in a movie theater. I just had to get off of Arjima with my girl at the time. And I was down bad. Well, you won the argument. Huh?

You won the argument. Yeah, yeah. I got to hang up. Timlin called him. Timler's on the other line. I'll call you back. Back. So then he was like, yo, quit, you know, you quit your job, whatever.

Well, actually, I told him, I was like, yo, I can't come to Miami because I got to work. He said, this is work. And I was like, what's you saying? You say, like, I quit my job or something? He was like, yeah. And I was like, I bet. So I literally went to my job. I couldn't wait.

Flew back. I was in Philly, actually. Flew back to Louisville. drove the whole way. First, he was taking turns on the way to Philly. This way, I drove all the way back by myself. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So you driving from Philly to Louisville,

knowing that Timberland just told you, yo, quit your job. Yep. How fast was you driving? Because I know that got to be like, I got to get to Luevilleville right now. I was speeding, though. Like, I was really trying to get back.

My car was fucked up. I didn't even care of it. But I just had to get back so I could go to my job and be like, yo, I'm quitting. And I went to go tell them. Say, yo, the Timlin wants to work with me. I think they really thought I was talking about, like the boot company or

something. I was like, yo, they was like, all right, man. Well, we wish you the best. Foot where it is. That's hilarious. So I was like, I was like, all right, cool. So, yeah, I went down there. And, you know, I recorded like maybe three or four songs from Traps. And, you know, this ain't to like, slight Tim one or nothing at all. But like, he wasn't really, he wasn't really rocking with him too much like that. And he was like, yo, we need more songs. Like, don't. And I was just like, but I was just like, but I, already got them. Right.

I was like, I already got that. Yeah. You know what I mean? And this is, like I said, these are songs that made trap, so that I was playing on. And then,

um... Which ones didn't he like? Sorry, not sorry. In that way. Is that like the third single? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

It was a couple of them that he wasn't really rocking with. And then, um, I got back home and then like, he gave me like a little bit of cash. Whenever I got back home. And, you know,

that cash was running, running out. And, uh, I was like, how does this work? Am I like signed right now? So I called him out. I was like, yo, so like, when am I going to get my next payment?

You know? You told me to quit my job. Papa John's, they pay me every two weeks. Yeah, yeah. And then it was like, oh, and my boy Rich was like, yo, Tim said he never told you to quit your job. And I was like, no. God. Hey, Tim, what you doing, though?

What's up, man? What's you doing? I was sick, no, I was sick because I was like, my girl at the time was already looking at me crazy because, like, I quit my job. You know what I mean? And that was how we was taking care of our kids. Right. So I was like, I had to figure something out. My dog Gerald actually is the one who helped me end up getting my daughter's like Christmas presents or whatnot.

But anyways, at that point, that was when I realized I was like, I just got to keep going. And I had a manager at the time who told me to quit my job. He was like telling me beforehand to quit my job before Timlin. But you know, I didn't really want to. I ain't know that dude like that. And I was like, bro, I ain't quit my job because you telling me. But Timlin said it's a different story. It's a different story coming from Timela.

But at that point, I was like, hey, you kind of got to, you told me quit my job. So you kind of got to take on this responsibility, bro. Like, what are we going to do? Like, I'm just make music. Let's figure it out. And I came up here in New York. I recorded exchange and like a couple of other joints, write my wrongs, like from traps.

So I just basically started making traps all. And then next thing you know, it was like every week something was happening. Every week something amazing was happening. I just couldn't believe it was like a wildfire. And that's like, that's what I, you know, these labels and these people, they always want you to get on social media and do the dances. do everything to promote your music. But I just genuinely believe that, like,

if the music is good, it's going to catch, you know what I mean? That's one thing I did notice about you. You don't really play the social media game like that. I don't, man. Lately, I've been kind of fucking around with it just because I'm like, I'm just beat me at the end of the day. And I'm just do some goofy shit. Yeah.

But, like, I don't do it to, like, sell music. You know what I mean? I don't really do it for that reason. I really just, at the end of the day, what I realize is, like, you know, Instagram is crazy. now because like you gotta pay right to reach your followers like which is yeah the people that follow you already yeah it's crazy it makes no sense to me so I'm just like that's so wow like there's people that genuinely just don't know that I ever released music so I'm like damn this is like I got

figure something out to like tell me so that'll be the only reason I want to but after I really started thinking about I was like bro I'm not doing this man the music's good it's good if y'all if y'all don't hear it who cares right you know what I'm saying but there was one moment where I realized that like this could really this could really help because it was like a moment when I was working on the Bryson Tiller album was my self-title and I got so tired of working on it because I was like

I just want to go have some fun and make music so I went to Miami. That's a place to have fun. Yeah, I went to my... I actually live in Miami but I was in LA recording this album or whatever. Okay. But I was like, I'm going back to Miami.

I'm about to make a mixtape. I'm putting on SoundCloud like the old days. You know what I mean? Because it's all I get fuck about. And I started making this mixtape series called Slum Tiller. And I made volume one and it was fun Because I was like yo I didn't have to think about labels

Clearances or nothing It's just music And you know some fans be pissed Because they're like yo You're too big to be dropping on sound I'm just like bro Y'all don't even be hearing this shit anyway So it's like who cares

At the end of the day I just want to give y'all music Y'all be complaining that I don't release music ball Here it is I don't feel like waiting on a label I don't feel like waiting on that clearance bullshit Yeah Whatever so Which by the way the Dillow record was shown

Is like one of my favorite joint Oh thank you bro That was volume three yeah Yeah, that was that joint is crazy. Yeah, so I did volume two, and that was where whatever she wants was on, but nobody had ever heard it. And I saw some people on TikTok talking about like, yo, somebody posted like, yo, rap till her back, blah, blah, blah.

And it was like, yo, we got a gate keep this. Don't say nothing. I was like, is this why nobody's hearing my music? Yeah, gate keeps. So sometimes fans can be your worst enemies when they get in that mold of like, we don't want anyone else to hear. Like, this is our thing. Like, no, I have to feed my kids.

Yeah, it's wild. I don't know. I don't like that at all. So anyways, I posted a TikTok and that shit just blew up and everybody was like, oh, Bryce Tilley got a new song coming out. And then there's people in the comments like, nah, actually it's already out. Yeah. But it took off. It was like one of the biggest rap songs that year.

And that's when I really realized the power of social media. Because it's like, no, if I never did that TikTok, yeah, nobody will probably still know that song even exists. It would just be one of those like cult classics or like those little, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like so. It's crazy because last year, you know, at the end of the year, we do our year and wrap up and we go to our phones to see what we listen to the most. And now I'm a fan of yours.

I say that, you know, with all respect. But I did not expect you to be one of my most listened to artists. Like, I was kind of gay. Dan, that's dope. Very right? I played that fucking album. And I was surprised because we sat here and I was like, Bryce and Tiller, like, the album.

I was like, Calypso was hard. I didn't know I listened to this shit this much. That to me is one of your best albums. Thank you, bro. Yeah, that project, whatever she wants. I like that record because it sounds like you was like writing it in real time. Like it wasn't even finished because you're like mumbling and some of it. You go into the hook.

The calypso red. It's a bunch of joints on there. But to me, that's one of your, I think, most well-rounded as far as production. Thank you. And just music. And I feel like you experimented with your sound a little bit on that. It was still trap sold. Yeah, yeah.

But it wasn't as trap so. Yeah, no, 100%. I was definitely the goal. And then your Christmas album that nobody talks about. Yeah, yeah. That was a, yeah. I would say with the Bryce and Tilla album, like, the goal for that for me was like, you know, a lot of people just be talking about Trapso, Trapsole. And I appreciate it.

You know what I mean? I'll never like try to take down away from it. But I'm like, I don't think people really understand like my capabilities as an artist. I mean, even as a rapper, like, I'm just a much better rapper than I was on Trapsol, like way better. Yeah. And, you know, you can go back and listen to just compare my new raps to the rap, like me on Minnie Kelly with Rick Ross to 10, 914 on Trapsol. Yeah. And just listen to how much better of a rap song.

rapper I am. Now we was talking about- I think you got Ross in that record. I can confidently say it. Not really, even though Ross gave you like 80 bars, which I know he snapped for one. But let me say this, there's a couple different types of listeners, right? There's people who like really like, really listen like to Hove and shit who can dissect lyrics and understand certain shit. And then there's the people who are just like, what is he saying? You know what I mean? Like, but Rick Ross is very clear and you understand everything he's saying, you know, versus me. I'm like very like, you know, dicey with it. But you were saying shit on there. I don't know if I don't know if I believe. leave you went to the strip club with the shiksy on because it sounds dangerous.

No, no, no, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, actually, um, in reference to, um, the whatever she wants video in that whole moment. Like, I was writing that song about, like, the reaction that somebody had to the video because it was like, what are you doing, blah, blah, and I was just like, yo, like, um, in that moment, I was so, like, kind of ashamed of myself, like, for even doing that. So I was just like, fuck it. I'm not to just, I just felt like Spider-Man with the black mask on, you know what I mean? Black Spider-Spiderman. And I just was like, fucking I'm going to be a different person. So I was referring to that.

But, you know, I was also saying on the song, like, yo, look, what I learned from that song actually was to just be earnest and just be honest and just be true because that was the one one of the few songs on the Bryce and Till album that I wrote actually. Okay. And it was the biggest song. It's still the biggest. It's the only reason that people even, I mean, I won't say it's the only reason. But, you know, it's the biggest song on the album. So what I learned from that was that, like, I was like, you know what? I'm going to just write all my shit.

my next album, you know what I mean? That was how I started. I wrote all the traps old. I wrote everything after that. But the Bryson Till album was the first album where I was like, you know what? I'm gonna just, I'm gonna let other people tell me what they think I should do. You know what I mean? I felt like that's what I should have did with my second album because there was so many people

that was inspired by what I was doing. And they wanted to like either emulate my sound and be like, yo, what you think about this? And I should have just, I wish I went that route. Yeah. To like work with different people. But like, I was so hung up. That was the era when everybody was like, oh, double platinum.

no features so I was so caught up on that. Yeah. And I did go platinum win no features again on the second album, but it ended up being with my worst album today. Talk about the, because when Don't came out and Trapsol, there was talks of Drake reaching, I wanted to sign

you the OVO. Yep. What was that conversation like, and why did you choose not to sign? I mean, if I'm being so blunt honest, the only reason I didn't sign is just because like, bro, didn't hit me back one time. And I was just like, this is in the moment where my label was like they was hounding me they was flying me they was trying to get me away from

drake i was like yo i ovio is really in my blood for real like i really have studied his catalog you know what i mean that's a couple people that i like really consider like a huge strands of my musical dna and drake is one of them um but yeah label was trying to get me away from them that's fly me he was in cochella or whatever that's like we got to get brushing out of la i'm not knowing none of this is going on we got to get him out of la now i'm in miami and then i'm like whatever i'm i'm still still wanting to sign the OViote. I'm just trying to finish traps or whatever. Then they fly me to New York.

And then I get them. They was like, yeah, we're here to sign the RCA. And I was, like, pissed about it. So I remember, like, I, like, went through, um, I tried to go back to some of those old Drake songs when he was, like, on the verge of probably, like,

going through bidding wars and shit. And I think I listened to the calm. And he was talking. And that was just one that I was just like, dang. So I sent him one last text just to see, like, yo, man, like, I'm, I'm still, I don't know what to do. blah, blah, and he just, he never hit back.

And I know he's just a busy, super busy dude. So not saying he didn't want me to sign or whatever, but like at that, at that moment, like, you know, I got a kid. Yeah. And I got people back home that's like looking at me like, is he going to do it? Is he going to make it? So I just like, I had to go with what was like the most short shot. And people still to this day be like, oh, I feel like you'd be a bigger artist if you sign

the OVO and blah, blah, blah. And then there's other people to be like you wouldn't be as big of an artist. It's always that. There's always that side of it. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I feel the latter. I feel the ladder. I think just where Drake was in his career, he was so focused on him still being, he was still going up at that time.

To focus to be like a label owner at that time. Yeah. I think that's why weekend didn't sign either. Yeah. No, your OVO is a Drake focused thing. Like, you party's here, cool. But I feel like I could be just as big as you. So why would I sign to you?

Yeah. I'll be honest, I definitely didn't feel that way because I'm like, I don't, you know, I don't, you know, I don't really, I don't, I'm not really in it to be like a superstar, you know, I'm being honest with you. Like, I love, you know, making people happy with music and giving them moments and stuff. But like, as far as, like, being on stage and being the most famous dude and, like, everybody recognizes me. I just don't care about that type of shit. Yeah. You know, so like, when people would say, like, oh, he's going to put you on the shelf and you're going to be on the sweatshop.

I was like, cool. Like, I'm cool with that. I was like, dog, I know how to write. Yeah. You did. I got a crazy pen. I would love to write take care. Yeah.

Yeah. I got a crazy pen. I'll write anything that he asked me to do. Yeah. And be just as rich. I don't like, if you could take away all my fame right now, nobody recognized me. Like, I'll be so okay with that. That's the cheat code.

When you can still do what you love and make music and nobody knows you making a shit ton of money, you can travel, you can do which one, and you can go anywhere. And nobody knows you. That's the cheat code in life. Like we all, well, some people want to be famous, but most people want to be successful and be able to live their life comfortably. But you did, you did. He did pull you out on the set at Y.

The response was crazy. What's the conversations like now with Drake, seeing where you are, obviously with your career and the music you put out, knowing at that moment happened because he didn't hit back. Like, what are those conversations like behind the scenes? Like, damn, we could have made it happen, but you know, things went another way.

We don't really talk, to be honest. Like, we had like a brief conversation before Wireless. I liked this little party, whatever, some restaurant or whatever. But, you know, it's a saddenness. It's a bunch of, I didn't want to talk a zero off about all that shit. something's like you know whatever but you know it was a it was a good conversation i was just telling how i didn't really want to be an artist like that and then he just kind of tell me why

you felt like i should be a artist and um you know i didn't really get to go into detail of why i really didn't want to be an artist but like the truth don't you want to be an artist um i just feel like i just be a better writer i just think i don't know like i look at songs like um you know like orphans or something like i feel like that i just want them to go to the best home you know, maybe they shouldn't be here at the orphanage with me. You know what I mean? Like not getting as much love because it's like, I don't promote my shit. You know what I'm saying?

They just be sitting. Yeah. And I just feel like the songs could be way better with other artists, whether it be Chris Brown or Drake or whoever, it won't be a right for them. Like, I would much rather do that. That's interesting. Yeah.

I can definitely see that perspective. So it was kind of like a catch-22 when you got on Wild Thoughts. Yeah. Because that record was fucking ever. Obviously it's Rihanna too. Yeah. So, and I remember you saying you didn't like. your verse on that.

So, here's what happened. You need to have more confidence to yourself. It's not there. He just thing don't know how dope he is. This thing is crazy,

man. This thing is crazy, man. This thing is crazy, right? So, like, I got the song, it was party next door, the version that I had. Okay. I wasn't allowed to have

the Rihanna version. I understood. You know, it's like, you know, like it's sensitive. Yeah. So I was just like, um, all right,

cool. So I wrote on the party next door version and I told Calit, I was like, yo, and shouldn't we pitch this up, you know what I mean? Because if she's going to be saying another octave, I don't want to record my verse. So anyways, that was what happened. Like, I'm sure you heard the story of

Calut jumping over the gate or something like that trying to get, maybe you never heard that story. It was a story that was going viral a couple years ago. Like trying to jump over a gate. Like trying to get the vocal. He was like, yo, he was telling the story actually himself. Yeah. And I was just like, yo, it was just going through a lot of shit at the moment. Love you, Callet. You know what made? Just so you know. Anyways, of, what happened was like the reason why I was already going through all that shit with the, you know, the internet was grilling me for my second album. All this shit, trash, trash, trash.

He fell off all types of shit. Flatnam. And, um, yeah. Yeah. But, um, he fell off and all that. And then, you know, next thing you know, like, being on a song of Rihanna, that's like a different level of star power. Oh, yeah. That's like, so like I was, yeah.

Yeah. So I was used to getting hate at this point, like from just random. Twitter accounts and people, whatever. But I saw 50 verified motherfuckers doing the same shit to me that day when that shit came out. It was like, oh, man, he should have been off this. I was like, yo, you verified, bro. Before you could buy it, check too.

I was like, yeah, that was before. These are real people. I was like, yo, what have I done? I was so embarrassed, bro. I was like, yo. I don't remember the backlash when that record came out about his verse. Nobody ever sees it with me somehow. I don't know.

I didn't see that. We all live in our own bubble where we see our mentions and see. a lot of shit that other people don't see. I remember everyone just loving that record. Absolutely. Around that time. When I came in, I was like,

I didn't know that that peaked at number two. I thought that was a number one record for sure. I didn't even know it was number two. That's crazy. I thought that shit was number one. You couldn't go, you going Target, CVS,

the airport, anywhere you went, that fucking record was playing. The fact that that only peaked that number two is like, I mean, that's not a knock. That's incredible,

but was it definitely felt like, a Dell or something? Yeah, that definitely felt like a number one record. Like that's, that's absolutely. Absolutely crazy. So at Wireless, because I love the response that you got when you came out on this set,

for you to say you don't really see yourself as an artist, but then you go on stage at a festival as big as Wildest and see the reception and the love that all of these people are giving you, how do you fight that? Like, when you get off stage, you go back to your room and you like, I'd rather just write. Like, there's people that obviously love you as an artist. Yeah. How do you deal with that back? and forth of emotions of do I really want to be an artist forward facing people know

I just want to write these songs and work with these other artists and get these records out like how do you deal with that because in talking to you I really feel like you really you know that you're talented but in your mind you probably feel like I really don't want to do this like I rather just write these songs so but to see that love when you hit the stage and that reception how do you deal with that how do you how do you how do you go through those talks with yourself um I love the fans, I really do. And I really appreciate when they treat me like I'm somebody.

Like, you know, the people that I looked up to growing up when they treat me like that, that's always dope, man. Sometimes it's not like that. Sometimes they go out there and I just be like, nigga, when are you getting off the stage? You know, like, I've gotten that. But I'd be like, yo, trust me, I don't want to be here either. It's okay. We're on the same page.

Yeah, exactly. Like, don't worry. I'll be off as soon as I can. But anyways. Yeah, he's on told Chris Brown right now. Yeah. But, nah, I just, I really only do it to feed my family and take care of people, bro. You know, like being an artist right now. And it took me a long time to really get my money right and figure shit out. And now I'm straight and my family straight.

But for a minute, I was like really struggling there, like trying to get it back and figure out what the hell I was going to do. But, like, you know, if I could, you know, somebody called me, if Drake called me tomorrow and said, Hey, bro, like, just write for me for the rest of, you know, whatever. Whoever Chris, you know, just right for me or all these people. Like, I would stop being an artist right away. You know what I mean? Like, I'm working on the game right now. I've been studying game design for like five years.

And, you know, granted, I'm not doing it really for the money, but, like, the moment I have some success and something else that can feed my family the same way. I'm feeding my family right now and take care of the people. I'm done being an artist, you know, just because, like, why? You know, because every time I release some stuff, it eats away at me. Like, it's a huge energy pool, no matter if it's received what. I just don't like being talked about, to be honest with you. I don't like being in the public.

Even if it's good. Even if it's good, I don't care because it's like, you know, it's balanced. Like, if people are talking good about something, you know, it's always going to be like, people are talking back. They want to be different. Absolutely. So it's just like, oh, well, no, so I just, I'd rather not be talked about. Where do you think that comes from? Huh?

Where do you think that comes from? That mentality? Maybe never being good enough in high school. Like, I was really a nerd in high school. Like, I didn't really talk to nobody. All I did was walking around listening to music every day. And, you know, I was a kid that dressed different and whatnot. It paid off, though.

Walk around listening to music every day. And you did kind of like make the dad hat a thing. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, I don't know. The fans, they definitely, you know, when they show me love, it definitely makes me want to go out there and do it for them. You know, I really appreciate when they're pulling up

and lining up just to see me and, you know, checking out my music and stuff. But, like, I don't know. Like I said, I just feel like a lot of the music that I write would just be so much better for other artists. Who's the artist that, aside from the obvious, but who's some of the artists that you're dying to work with? Like, I really want to get in the studio

and write with this artist? To write for him? We know Drake. We know, you know, Chris. And write for him. I mean, to be honest, like, because I studied Drake and Chris Brown for so long and Wayne, like,

obviously I would want to write for any of those people, even though they don't necessarily, I don't say need it or nothing like that. But I would really write for whoever. Like, I would love to just, like, play music for people. Like, for real, when people pull up on for real, He's like got a bunch of songs.

He plays. He like finds for the artist. If they like rock with him, Poohberry, another example, like he got a bunch of songs that he can just like, hear somebody's album,

be like, y'all, I got something like this. What do you think about this? Or just write on something and like, they, people trust him. They trust his ear,

his pen. And I want to be somebody that's trusted like that. Yeah, I always get looked at as like an artist. And, you know, I feel like me being an artist that's made,

you know, a lot of these guys, there's a lot of alpha males in the music industry. Like a lot of them are very competitive, you know what I mean? A lot of fake alpha males. Yeah. Word.

A lot of fake ego. Yeah, it's just, yeah. Well, I've experienced it a lot. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's just like people will look at you and treat you like a threat. And like the way I've been, you know, I know, I know my shit a lot, you know, in these songs. But that's just because I have to.

But also, you know, like, I come in peace. Like, I'm not really here to like take nobody's spot or, uh, or one up. Nobody will be bigger than somebody. Yeah. You know what I mean? But like, when they start to, like, treat me. like, you know, like they bigger than me or like I should like

bow down to them. It's just like, now's a problem. Yeah, now I got a problem with that, bro, because like, you're not even really that talented. You know what I mean? It's always that like, you're not even that dope. Like, relax, fam. Like, I'm just like, no, it's just be like, nah, for a lot, I'd be wanting to chill because it's like,

yeah, we, we, we strong. I think we're stronger together. Absolutely. You know what I mean? Like, all of us artists. Like, I see so many artists beefing with each other. And I know, like, that's the sport and people love it. You know what I mean?

The competitive edge is, you know, to kind of I get it. I get it, man. But like, I don't know. Yeah. So that's the one,

another reason why I hate being artists because I got to deal with that shit. Yeah. The egos. Can't get in contact with certain people. Like, every time I strain, they're like,

collab with this person, glad with that person, glad with this person. And like, I'm like, yo, I've tried. I've tried to collab with all those people and all of them.

Just don't hit me back. Like who? I ain't going to say no names, but there's a lot of people that, like the most common people you would say that people want to hear. I hope it's not one that I'm done. Like I would love Friott.

Let's just not even say the name. Let's just let all the viewers out there just think about who it is. I mean, if you actively get into just songwriting, I feel like that may still be something you have to run into, though, because you do have to reach out to people and be like, yo, I have a bunch of references. I got a bunch of stuff. I'd like to write with you.

But that's the thing. I don't really. I want people like Poo-Ber. People reach out to Poo-Ber. Yeah. You know what I said? Like, that's what I want to be in granted. I'm not nowhere near it is, you know, where Poo-Berry-Boeber is done a lot.

That's my big brother, and I learned a lot from him. But, like, you know, I would rather people just be like, damn, you know what? I kind of want to hear what Bryson has in mind for this. I want to know what Bryson would think about this project that I'm working on, you know, like the same way I would call. But I get a lot of people who are like really protective of their creative energy, and I definitely don't want to, you know, muddy up the waters and whatnot. So.

Traps old now, it's a, it's, you obviously, you know, that's your, your job, want to say your sound that you created. Yeah, that's the genre. You coined the genre. And I feel like Bryce and Tiller has a lot of kids out here now as a result of the sound trap. So we were just talking about the album the other day.

Rory was talking about, you know, the sexy drill and how that, you know, that's like a hot sound. You even have some of that on a new project. And it's really just the drums. That's all the drill shit is as far as I'm concerned. But how do you feel seeing, you know, younger guys who might be, you know, I guess, quote unquote the YN, street kids, but now they're making that type of music where the girls are dancing and they're having fun at these parties, knowing that that's a direct extension of Trapsoul.

Yeah. Like as Bryson, how do you feel hearing these songs like, okay, I like what they did. I like how they took that and put their spin on it and having fun in their own way. But realistically, Trapped Souls were birthed at. I mean, this is debatable for a lot of people. I feel like there's a great quote out there that says, you know, thief steals,

but a genius borrows. And I really respect artists that can figure out a way to like borrow from my sound and make it their own. I actually got into arguing, well, not really arguing,

but like my homies was in the club, my dog, Prim, shout out Prim, shout out Chubbs, yo, he's in a little spot. And I was like,

yo, so and so is your son. And I was like, yo, I don't really like that. Did they say, huh? No, no,

no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, that was like, It's like, yo, I don't really like that because like, but they didn't mean in that way. They meant it more like, yo, like, he's inspired by you.

And I was just like, yeah, but every time you hear somebody's my son and music, it's always like a negative connotation. Like, it's always, any time, think about it, anytime you've ever heard anybody say somebody's my son in the song, they always put. When you word it like that, they're my son, yes. But like how Maul said, you have a lot of kids out here. I don't think that's offensive. Like, I think just a lot of people were inspired by a genre that you create.

more or less. But yeah, that's my son I could see definitely disrespectful for sure. But, I mean, what made you want to hop on the sexy drill stuff for this project? For this project, I got a couple more coming out, but my dog, Velas, really just the people I'd be working with.

You know, he from out here. So, you know, he had that beat, and I loved it. And I'm on a tour of Chris Brown. So I was like, yo, that was like, sampling ain't no way about Chris. I was like, yo, this is perfect. And that was actually the song that, like, kicked off my rap out.

I was like, yo, I'm about to like make some rap music, like really just cater to women and people that love women. You know what I'm saying? So, but anyway, so yeah, no, a lot of sexy drill vibes. And, you know, I really just, I like working on everything. My dog, Charlie, he makes every type of beat. And we just try to make anything, to be honest. I mean, I feel like the way they chop the samples in Sexy Drill now is how y'all chop the sample on exchange. Word, word.

Now it's just drill drums behind it. That's why I feel like that's not your son, but your kids with the sexy drill shit. Yeah. For sure. What made you drop the second disc first? Solis and fixes. Fixes. I mean, vices.

Solicest and vices. I'm sorry. So the reason why was this because Solis was always like a fall album to me. Hold up. I like that already. What? I like as an artist that he recognized for a minute. The seasons need to change for this type of music.

Like, a lot of people don't pay it. And that's a real thing. The seasons and music is a very real thing that I don't think a lot of people pay attention to. I think about that stuff because, you know, on solace, I was really talking about my feelings and things I was going through. And I was just like, who wants to hear this shit in the summertime? You know what I mean? Like, maybe there's some people out there that want to be sad in the summertime. But me, I'm trying to have.

I don't. I'll be sad any season. Work. I'm ready to go have a good time. You know what I mean? Like, I'm trying to be out. I'm trying to be played in the cars, like, loud. like not just the sad people. Like I'm trying to be in the mix of like girls getting ready to go out to the club. You know what I mean?

Like so I was like, you know, um, you know, this album was the, as soon as I finished Salas, you know, they wanted to put it out, but I was like, nah, let's wait. Because I like, I like made it for the fall. I was like, yo, I'm not to just make a rap album. I'm tired of talking about my feelings anyway. Let's just, I'm just going to have some fun, summer vibes, good vibes. Let's put that out and let's make a double album. And, you know, yeah.

So now you on vices we talked about when he came out and it was like yeah you know bryson's putting out a project double disc uh think one he's gonna be rapping on and i was like all right is it rapping like straight rapping or is it bryson rapping where he's melodic so he was like nah i think he rapping i was like i love bryson man but i hope it's not just straight rap so i listened to the album last two days and i'm like okay this is this is this is a Bryson. This is what he's always done. People was on Twitter like, oh, you owe Bryson to apologize. I'm like, but I didn't say nothing negative. I hope he's giving us the melodic Bryson. Yeah, like the Rambo shit. Yeah, yeah. That type of shit. And it's incredible.

The features, though, how did some of those features? Because I was not expecting a Bryson T. T.P. That goes back to what I was telling you all earlier. Like, you know, when people are like, oh, collaborate with this person, I can't get none of those people on the phone. You know what I mean? So I like with this project Who you can't get on that?

I ain't, bro, I ain't saying no names. Who the fuck can't break until a get on the phone? All of them. No way. I don't believe that. So anyways, I decided to rock with people that, um, that fuck with me. That been wanting to work with me.

Respect my, respect me. You know, I'm not asking nobody to bow down to me. But just like people who just see like a mutual. Yeah. Like I see these people as my equals. Like I see plazas as an equal. I don't see him as somebody who, you know what I mean? T.

T. Payne, all these people like. So I'm just like, yo, let's just make music, bro. And I like the way you use T-Pain and that. It was like, he's in the background, vocals. It's not really a verse. Yeah. It's like, yo, because I think P's still, he was like, yo, is that T-Pain? And I was like, that's definitely T-Pain vocals.

That was like a dope way to kind of like put T-Pain on it. But that's one of my favorite joints on there. Oh. But the last record, you was talking, that was the record I think you used to get your shit off. Is it finished? Yeah, I think so. Finished. Line of particular.

Remember they gave the coldest shoulder throwing them jokes and stones just for rocking them OVOs but you know that shit was bogus Yeah explain that bar You know There was a moment where I got some

Some Jordans from Drake Okay And you know There was just people Talking shit about me For like rocking the Jordan Like oh you know He ain't signed the OVO

He'll want to be basically And I'm just like You know like Because you had the sneakers Yeah because I was just like And I was just like But no, no, no, no. There was also rumors that I was going around lines saying that I signed the OVO just to like get my pub deal up and whatnot.

And, you know, I wasn't really fucking with that. Because I'm just like, bro, if I wanted to say I signed the OVO, you know what I would have signed. I would have signed OVO. And I wanted to sign the OVO. I would still to this day sign the OVO drink called me. You know what I mean? Like if it makes sense, of course. Yeah, yeah.

You know, like, yeah. So it was just people and there people on the internet like, you know, just. just like trolling and shit like ah you know want to be OVO all this shit just because like you know that's the that's the I love Drake I love OVO I love what they've done there's a real relationship there yeah yeah like I really really really love that guy so um you know I just felt like that shit was corny whoever whoever had anything to say no you had you had you used that record to definitely get some shit off that that record was sounded like it was directed toward a lot of things you read a lot of things you hear people

saying online on podcast or whatever about Bryson. Talk to me about solace though. The fall vibe. Like, is that more Bryson R&B, that feel? It definitely is. It's more like just, like I said, just some feelings. And with this one, I kind of went into it,

it started off as like really just therapy because I was like just really going through it. And I was like, man, I just need to like get the shit off my brain things that I'm thinking about like because I was actually doing therapy and it was so freeing to talk about things. And I was like, you know, maybe I should just try this in music a little bit. Just say say something, be vulnerable. So it started off as that and then it just ended up became, it just became a project. It was going to be a mixtape I was going to put on the soundcloud like I always do.

But I was like, yeah, I can't call this a mixtape. I got to make it an album. And yeah, it's more like, you know, like the, it's just fall vibes, R&B. It's a little bit more serious than vices. Vices is more like fun. Yeah. And, you know, Solis, the title, I was just really trying to find comfort and my sadness and the shit that I was going through.

And, you know, funny enough, it's like the, um, solace and the vices. It's like, I was really like, chasing my vices when I was making solace. Like, you know, I was like, yes,

I was doing a lot of shit that I probably should like smoke and drink. All the shenanigans you could think of. Like, just doing all that shit. And I actually dreaded going to the studio like to make these songs. You know, I love the songs, but like it was hard for me to sit there and record

and talk about my feelings. And I was wondering, I was trying to figure out why I felt that way. So whenever I went into the vices album, I was like, yo, I'm not to just make an album called the Vices and I'm about to just get rid of my vices.

completely on. And I recorded devices in like two weeks. You know what I mean? So like I knocked that shit out and I had so much fun doing it. Like I had to find a new focus because like, you know what saying? You know how it is. So I was like, yeah, completely sober and I'm still sober right now. So it's been great. You think you create better when you're in love or going through shit? You know, that's the, that's a common misconstcept. People always think they like, yo, even when me and my girl first got together, they was like, break his heart so we can get another album. I do remember that on the internet. I remember a specific, like, it was like a vacation picker song.

I do remember that going viral. Like, everyone was livid that you were in love. On vacation? Like, big ass smile on his face. Yo, people are fucking crazy, but you can't even be on vacation? Like, Bryce and can't chill? It's wild. It was wild.

But, like, honestly, like, my, I got some dope in love songs, man. Like, some real dope in love songs. Like, even on, um, shit, prizes, one of them on the BTA album. on the Rice and Tillah album but also you know my Serenity album had a lot of that but I'm always going to talk

about shit that I go I don't need to be heartbroken like I wasn't heartbroken when I made trap so you know what I'm saying like this is just this is just life bro you know like I love my girl and then sometimes I hate my girl

you know what yeah like sometimes we want to tear each other's heads off bro it's just like it just is what it is like I wouldn't say yeah no that was I will say Damaris our other coals

I think it was 2023 with Keanu Lade's album Your verse on going, I think, was verse of the year. I appreciate that, but. Like, me and Demaris know that shit worth. That's our favorite fucking verse. Yeah, that's dope. That was the nicest, that was the most polite way to tear up your girlfriend I've ever heard about it.

It was such a, fact-so-poetic. Yeah. What was it like releasing that? Because, I mean, it was very, very personal. Yeah. The crazy thing is I wasn't even supposed to rap on a, like, I had lost my voice. voice right before um i remember because i just got outside my dog velas roll outside he sent me outside and keanu wanted me to jump on the song i tried to go record outside boys went completely

gone i got a version out there somewhere that's like horrible but um and i was like tokyan i was like yo i'm i'm i'm gonna have to rap because like i can't sing right now literally can't so you can hear on there i kind of but anyways when it came out um i don't know i never i never i don't know i never know what's going to happen after I don't release these songs. I just kind of just write it. And, you know, honestly, I just hope people think it's fake sometimes. Like, or just like, you just never know. No, that one felt way, way too part. Like, you didn't just make that up again. You got to live somebody else. Somebody else could have wrote it. Yeah. Nah. I mean, J.D. wrote confessions. Fair. So, I mean, you know, it's possible. You can put that emotion into it and then not

be your emotion. No, but that felt like the long blue paragraph that you send to your. Like, she says one thing and then you break down every single fact and then you just waiting for the moment. You just see the typing thing and then it stops. It's like, yeah. That's how that verse felt to me. So now you're on tour with one of the biggest artists that we've ever had. And it's just crazy because Bryce is in there like, I don't even want to be on the stage.

But he's on arguably the biggest stage right now with Chris Brown. What is it like, one, just, you know, being around an artist like Chris, seeing his work ethic, and then seeing how he goes out there every night and just puts on the show for hours of just, you know, performing and production and hit records. What is that like for you to just be able to watch that and see that unfold? Man, I've learned so much from Chris just being on this show, I mean, on this tour. You know, he's such a great human. And bro's just like, he really loves this shit for real.

Yeah. Every time I see him go up here and do it, like, he gives it 150%. Like, I'd be waiting. I'd be like, what day is he going to, like, have a bad show? Yeah, yeah. And they don't have bad shows. He goes, maybe sometimes the audio is a little fucked up and he can't hear. Yeah, but that's out of his control.

Yeah, it's out of his control. But when he gets on that stage, he does his thing, you know? For me, sometimes I get out there and I'm just like, the crowd's just kind of like dead. Like, you know, they're just like not giving them the fuck. And I'm just like, well, shit. And I'm a little nervous. now. You know what I mean? I'm bad. I mean. Because that's tough. They did.

You know, obviously Chris is Chris. Yeah. But it's like Bryson has his fans and his, his following as well and hit records. But in the scope of, you know, everybody's here, like this is Chris Brown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like opening for, you know, this generation's Michael Jackson. Exactly. And I see it as like, I'll be telling them on stage right night, like, yo, I'm really, I'm really a team, Breezy vet for real. Like, you know, I'd be seeing new fans in there and they be looking at me with the Stank Fair. I'd be like, yo, like, I've been. around for a long time. You know what I mean?

Like, I've been studied this man. I really know his shit. And then I play some shit that they've never fucking heard before. Yeah. But yeah, no, still though, like I say that I say that this is the best tour that I've been on. You know what I mean? And I haven't been on my own sold out headline tours. I've been on the weekend tour.

Love that. But like this one is just the best, man. Everybody on his team, his staff. Everybody's cool as hell. No problems. No issues. Just good vibes. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Just great energy. Everybody's smiling. and everybody's happy, you know? And, yeah, bro, he's just an aspiring guy to be around and he's giving me a lot of, a lot of gems that I just never knew. And shit,

this is helping me be better. Have you told Crystal? Like, you know, man, I don't really want to be an artist like, yeah, yeah, I thought. I know he's looking at you, like, what the fuck? He said the same shit Drake said to me. Yeah, like, I still can't believe Bryce, like, oh, you know, whatever. But you're talking about Chris Brown, who puts out 45 records a year. Yeah, yeah.

Like, he loves this shit. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of Tours, I think the most women I've ever seen in Webster Hall in my entire life was your first New York Traps Hole show. I believe it was Webster Hall. That might have been Webster. Or was it Highline?

I forgot which one it was, but I had never seen more women in my entire. That was like one of those moments. Like I saw Kendrick at SOBs and I was like, oh, this is like a thing. He's going to be a thing. I have not been to a show that crazy in that size venue, like sense. literally it may have I might have been the only dude in there I had never seen that many women in my fucking life

no that's the first time I met Bryson years ago might have been like 2015 maybe 2016 at the Fillmore I think in Detroit and we walked in there shout out to black mic

I pull up and you know I'm like the album's going crazy the record's going crazy so we like side stage And I look out into the audience. And I'm looking from the bottom of the film or to the top, it was nothing but women. And I was like, this is the craziest shit.

I've ever, like, I've never looked in the audience and seen all women before. Like it didn't make any. And he said something like, so then Mike was like, yo, bro, it's been like this. And I'll shout out today. They was opening on that tour. He was like, yo, every night. This is what this shit looks like. And I'm like.

And then, you know, still, Bryce is the same guy backstage. Just like, yeah, man, let's just go do this, man. I'm just like, nigger, you got about, you know how many women are sitting out there waiting for you at this stage? Like, this is the crazy shit, but to see it go from that to now being on tour with Chris. I mean, I think it's just a testament to your craft, man, and your skill set of just being a dope, you know, having a dope pen and putting out dope projects, incredible songs that I think every woman at some point has posted on their social media of Bryce until a record.

But coming out of this now, the whole Chris Brown tour, what's next for Bryson? Like, I know the Alam Silas is coming out in the fall. Video games and writing. Video games, like, I got to shift my focus back to that. It's a lot of work, man. And I just, it's my first ever game. And I just want to make it. So what is the game?

What is the premise of the game? Like, what type of game is it? It's called Brutal Industry. It's about the music industry. Okay. So, yeah, basically. You know, the protagonist, you are the protagonist in the game, and you get to experience the things that you will experience in the music industry.

So is it like GTA music industry person? No, it's a fighting game. So I'm going on there and slap the shit out of the executive. Yeah, I can't say too much. But just know that like, you know. It's like that's like Jambandetta, but. Yeah, yeah, I can't say it too much. But yeah.

That's interesting. That's a great concept. Yeah, that's fine. I just, you know, I put a lot of my real pain and suffering into it. You know what I mean? Things that, you know, I went through and I just, I kind of just fuck with the player a little bit, you know, so, you know, I'm really excited about it. I'm doing a lot of voice acting in it.

Just, you know, those anime, it's a game, so video game. There's music attached to it. Okay. I got a lot of dope plans that I'm excited, and I just want to, like, really lock in on it. But I do have another album called Serenity. that I started on in 2018, but like, I realized that I wasn't,

I was like, how can I make an album called Serenia and I don't feel that. And that was after my depression, that was after my, my second album flopped. And I was like, yo,

let me, let me just figure. Why do you call it out a flop? Platinum, I mean, it was technically, it was, I don't know, it was just technically a flop, you know.

Who's the technicality? Like, it's a platinum fucking album. Go ass Twitter right now. Fuck Twitter. Perception-wise, I guess, based off the monster that Trapped Soul was,

the follow-up of that. You can't say a fly. You know, honestly, it just wasn't me, bro. Like, if I'm being honest, it's like, you remember, which ironically, the type of, you know, when, like, the Magic came out of the ball?

Yeah. That was me on that album, you know what I mean? So it's like, I'm still, you know what I'm still? You know what I'm still? You know what I'm not? Probably dunk. But you wasn't really into it.

Yeah, you know, and that's just like, because when Trapped Soul came, I always tell people this and then people always forget, but like that, like, every time I really support. project. It don't matter. Every time I release a project and people are talking about me, it's an energy pool. But that being my, Trapsol being my first

album and me really just wanted to be good, like, and people think I was good. And then seeing so many people say that I was bad, like with Trapsol, like I'm talking about first couple weeks when it came out. I'm not talking about right now. I'm not talking about two years after when people start saying, using the word classic and shit.

Like, there's some people are still out there that don't even enjoy that album. I probably never even heard of it. Well, I mean, obviously, y'all, y'all, because y'all listen to R&B and rap, but there are people who don't know who I am. Oh, no, for sure. There's nobody that's going to hear that album and say that's not a great album.

I think there's a definite classic. I think there will be some people that say that. There are people that will hear that album and say that it's trash. Yeah, they say it's not my... Them niggas don't matter, man. It's taste levels. It's different. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just not for everybody. I know now that they don't matter.

You know what I mean? But like at that moment, when I was 22 years old and coming to music industry and really just trying to prove something, to my hometown that I was going to be like that I had them and I had them on my back and my family that was good yeah I felt like all the power all the power got stripped away okay right when that shit dropped you know and I was just I went into the craziest depression and you know um yeah and I they I they wanted to follow up right away like oh we didn't know the album it was just like the pressure of that money was looking a little it started feeling like work yeah it was just like

I don't know yeah it's like that's common though you understand that no for sure Sure. Do you understand Frank Ocean a little bit more now in hindsight? What do you mean about that? Somebody that had like a definitive crazy first album after the mixtape and then disappeared. Then we got blonde and then really disappeared. Like he doesn't fall into the pressure. Same way Lauren Hill after Miseducation. Yeah.

Just did unplugged after that. Do you understand that path a little bit more now in hindsight? Absolutely. Absolutely. I think, you know, sometimes I'd be. feeling like for frank it was like a creative decision but yeah you know maybe maybe it is because like the pressures i mean we would probably never know you know but because a lot of people don't even want to like reveal that to the world and be like yo the pressures of that made me

feel like i don't know and blind was amazing like i said some people would say blind is better than channel orange i mean best written rmbia album of yeah era in my opinion yeah man for frank coach is my favorite artist period um but i was just going to say that like i think what fucks would lot of people and I was talking to somebody else about this who also has a classic on our bro um you know we was just kind of like yo when people are just like hey just go make this again you know that's like the worst thing to tell to artists and it's just like I don't even understand why people want that so bad like not want that album again like it's just like you already have the album to listen to like I always tell people like yo Apple music and Spotify is the best way to time

travel bro like but people don't realize that it's really just because of the moments that they had who they was dating at the time, what they was going through. Like, it's nostalgia. You know what I'm? It's like, it's like if somebody, that's why when you hear Christmas albums, for the most part, it's all renditions of songs that they already love. Yeah. You know, because nobody's really that bold enough to make a completely original Christmas

album. Because a lot of people will probably bash it right away. She's like, I don't really make me feel the way Frank Sinatra made me feel. It's just like, duh. Yeah. He's not supposed to. Yeah. Any Christmas movie you hear, they're going to put the classics in there. Yeah.

But anyway, so nostalgia is super. important and I just think it's heavy to sit there and like try to tell an artist to like just go do this again you know what I mean it's like though like I don't know I'm a real genuine fan of people and things and things that I really love so it's like I get that like I always use GT rockstar games as an example like you know they got GTA 6 coming out but if they wanted to if they wanted to be like yo you know what we're going to do GTA 6 we're going to wait a little bit we actually going to do bully bully too. I'm cool with that because I love what they do. I love

everything they do. I really support them. And it's like, I hope I'm alive to see GTA 6, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, all of us, you know? And I hope that it comes out next year, but if it didn't, I wouldn't be mad at them. You know what I'm saying? And like, they don't never have to top anything that they've done in the past for me. I just want them to keep creating. Do you feel like that's one of the

pressures that as an artist, like, the fans and people are always comparing you to your last project or your best project, your best song. You feel like you got to match that or surpass that every time. Yeah, honestly, I don't even give a fuck now, bro. I'm just making it.

And it's just like, at this moment, all I care about is moments, bro. Like, you know, what I realized with the last album was just like, like you said, Calypso. There's a lot of people that don't even know Calypso. Like, I don't even know it exists.

So like, but they know whatever she won't. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. And like, all you need is. one, one, really. Anytime. All you need is one. Then you can go on tour, perform all the previous

hits that you had before. And that's it. You get back to it. And like, all I care about is, like, those moments. I'm not chasing the classic. I'm not chasing having, you know, a critical claim. I just don't care about none of that. Like, yeah.

I'm just making music. If y'all fuck with it, y'all do, y'all don't, whatever, bro. I really don't care. Like, nothing to chase for me. Like a full-in project? because you have incredible something, like could have been with her.

Yeah. Insecure with Jasmine. Yeah. Like those are classic records. You ever thought about kind of like a more full-length project with the women in R&B? Like of my own? Yeah.

I never really thought about that. That's a song like a bad idea. Because I think it's always easier to work with women sometimes as opposed to like there's no ego. That's exactly what goes back to what I was saying. There's a whole lot of alpha males. Yeah. They're so stuck on like, how can I be better than that?

Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, bro, let's just be better together. Yeah, yeah. Can actually collaborate. Yeah, let's just collaborate. But the girls, they always like, yeah, let's work. Yeah. You know what I mean?

And it's like, and I love that. That's why I have more features of women than I do with guys because it's like they always be on that shit, all of them, every time. So, you know, yeah, that doesn't sound like a bad idea, man. I mean, could have been an insecure. I mean, that's two of the greatest Army collab. records that I think we've had in the past however many years. Like, timeless sound,

timeless records, you can hear those records today and it sound like it just came out last week. Like, it's not dated. I just feel like some of your best work is with, when, is with, with the female artists.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know, just something to think about it. No, I just don't want you to disappear and never put out music again. That's all I'm trying to say. He wants to disappear.

Yeah, right? He wants to disappear. What's your relationship like with, with Jack Harler, I know he's shouted you out before you guys from the same city. Do you guys have a strong relationship or just different areas? Yeah, I really, age gap.

Yeah, probably age gap. I don't really speak to them like that for me. What's the music scene like in Louisville like that? Shit, we got ESTG doing this thing. I need to tap in more. That's a lot of people that are dope. Like Mars, she's super dope. I definitely got to tap back in,

But that's people who are just like on the come up, on the rise, just doing their thing. Yeah, I haven't been out there in so long in a little minute. Now, being that you worked with Simberlin, what do you think about this AI artist shit that he's doing right now? I'm not, I'm not mad at it, to be honest, me personally. I'm furious. I understand. I understand. But, like, when you start thinking about, like, okay, you use.

these artists who like, you know, real artists to like train your music. Then that's why I'm like a little bit like, I don't know that. I'm about to say as soon as simple let's say, chat, GBT, write me a Bryson Tiller-esque record and it's a hit, you're going to have a fucking problem with that.

Well, I mean, but you just said earlier that people are writing Bryce and Tulare Esk. For sure. Yeah, but they're actually writing it. Yeah. Like even when, even if somebody's biting, they're still writing it. Yeah, yeah.

And you would also be in. aspire to get that, but when you have to clear a song, I have to copyright it, artist has to get paid, even if it is a fucking penny on the dollar with Spotify, it still legally has to get cleared. They're taking an entire music catalog with no permission to train a new artist. Like, that everyone should be paid. Yeah. Like, everyone should get a check if you're taking Spotify and putting it inside a fake human. Like, I don't know, man, it's hard because it's like, this might be a hot tape, but like, I don't know. I feel like that's kind of what we all are as humans.

Like I'm using, I'm using so many different artists to train myself. Of course, but you're doing it. Okay. I get that, but you are physically doing it. There is feeling to it. And you can be inspired and make it your own, just literally taking data and then spitting out data that just sounds like music to me is thievery. Yeah.

I, trust me. I see it from both sides, man. I can see how it could be fucked up for real. Like I say, using, especially like these unknown artists that have never, you know, like that's like, that would be infuriated. Yeah. Like, because like people that are really just trying to get known and popping, like they just want to be a part of this, but you're training this thing to be better than me.

Like, I don't know. And it's scary. I'm not anti-AI. Like, I think there's great things in pro tools now you can do with AI. Like, I think it can definitely assist a real musician. But to just openly say, yo, we're taking everyone. one's catalog so we can make the best mega artist is like yeah the fuck are we doing it's scary um have you been using the AI with the video game developing and it's funny you say that because i was

going to do the segue like that's kind of like a little bit uh tied into the plot of a brutal industry for so there's a lot of sci-fi in it as well but uh yeah no i have um used a little bit not for the artist um but you know definitely just to help when you use AI as a tool i feel like that's when it's the best You know what I mean? Like for me, I have so many ideas that I don't know how to pull out of my own head because my vision might be clouded just from like what I was going through that day or whatever.

So like I'll have to like really talk about certain things and then chat GPT or whatever I use will help me like pull it out of my mind so I could write efficiently. You know what I'm saying? Even with shit songs sometimes. Like I'll be like, damn, you know, like when I was writing Minnie Kelly

I don't know with the Rick, I was, like, you know, I think people should use shit like as a tool. I was like, damn, I want to rhyme something with this word, but I needed to be only things that are expensive and luxurious. So what words do? And then they'll give me like 15 words. And then I'll look at those words and be like, that one works because I want to use that to get to the next bar

where I'm talking about something. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's a tool. Yeah, you should use it like that. But like using it to write a song. Yeah, that's crazy. That's absolutely fucking right. I'm full song.

It's like, no. you want to do like a podcast level, Maul and I will sign our likeness over and we can fight the artists like in this pod studio. There is a podcast level. Yeah, let's go, I'm glad I know that. We use the set. Like we can use mic stands.

We can everybody. We could do it. Definitely let me know. Imagine an artist coming here and just, just drop kick us. Yeah, like, fuck these cameras, I'm going to send you all one.

I hope you all, just have it in here. It's going to be on RK cabinets. Oh, definitely. That's fire. 100%. We definitely do that.

That's amazing, man. Before we let you go, with everything going on right now, you know, album out, Vices is crazy, can't wait to hear Salas, on tour with Chris Brown, sold out stadiums every night. Is Bryson Tiller happy? I'm so happy, man. It's one of the best years of my life, though. I can't even lie to you.

Like, my life is so good right now. I'm just like, okay, hold up. You know, like, so where's care? Some bad. Yeah, we programmed like that. Like, when she's just, like, where's the gym? is going good we're like i something about to happen yeah some bad shit about to happen man like why are we like that i know right but it's just i don't know i guess that's just life man life is so

life is mysterious like that but i'm glad you enjoying it i'm glad you're happy um rory and myself we we've supported you for years continue to support you love everything you're doing looking forward to whatever you got coming games next serenity album solace album um stick around though man we need we need We need that music, man. Don't just fade into the bushes like Homer Simpson. Don't do that. I can't make no promises. As long as I don't hit the lottery or something.

Yeah. No, if you did the, then by all means, I'm like, you know what? Fuck it, man. He's out of here. He's gone, man. Bryson, thank you, man. We appreciate you. When you put out serenity, please come back, kick it with us, man.

Anytime you're in the city you want to come by, you got a home here with us, man. Thank you guys, man. For us. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's Penn Griffey, Bryson Tiller. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.