New Rory & MAL - Checking In With Ghostface Killah (Presented by Boost Mobile and Mass Appeal)

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

Live from the Mass Appeal pop-up, Rory and Mal check in with Ghostface Killah. Ghostface hits on his confusion about the word "pause", how James Dolan convinced Wu-Tang to make a Kevin Durant recruitment song, and the time he got into a shootout with The Delfonics in the car #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to a special, special episode of the new Rory and Moll podcast. I Am All. I'm Rory. And Rory. And, Rory, today we are at the Massapil pop-up. Yes. On Canal. Yeah.

If you want to get a Gucci bag for your girl. Oh, you know, for sure. Christmas around the corner. That's exactly where I'm going. Yeah. But today we are joined by a special, special guest. Yes. This is special to me because this is probably his first album is one of the albums Rory that I saved my allowance. Yeah.

To go to the Wiz on Fordham Road in 96. You wasn't even coming outside. I know, but see, the difference is with our age gap, it was the same way with me in 2000, with Supreme Clientel. I was the same way. We're 10 years apart. And this gentleman had the same effect to both of us with a 10-year age gap. Yes.

Today we are joined by the legendary Tony Starks. Iron Man Pretty Tony, the wallaby champ, ghost face. Yes. Yeah, it was good. Outside of his rap, it's the reason why every single person that went to Catholic school in New York City wore wallabies. Yeah. Because that was the only shoe they allowed. The wallaby is a bit of performative shoot.

You can dress it up. You can dress it up. You can fight. You can rough and police. You can do everything in the wallabies. Right, right. Yeah, you just, they just, the soul just runs down a lot. I told them, I told them about that.

Like, you know what I mean? I say, yo, you got to put a little, a tap of something under the soul. Yeah. Because that gum or just, you know what I mean? Wally's out inside with, I mean, sign with the messed up soul. Yeah. Yeah. But somebody got a hand.

But you know what? And they started making it messed up, though, not to cut you off because they started getting made in Taiwan. Okay. Then, and that, it wasn't, it wasn't the same. Yeah. Did Wallabies ever approach you early on about a, uh, partnership because I mean you were the reason why everybody in the hood started

with college. Man, listen, man, days blown smoke. They fronted on me. You know what I mean? So we met, we met. Yeah. But it was like, you know, they was trying to, you know, treat me like a crackhead. So it's like it just didn't work.

You know what I mean? Like, but when I was doing it, like I do things just to do it because that's what I saw myself and like when I was dying, them doing all the shit like that or whatever, I just did that to do it. And then I guess they caught wind and sink the sales just skyrocketed. And they reached out. But it was like, yo, they came in from England. You know what I mean?

And, yeah, they mounted it. They ain't going to where. What drew to that style, though? Like, when was the first time you saw a wallaby in Staten Island? When the Jamaicans was going crazy, he was like, what was that? That was probably like 86. Okay. 85, 86.

I saw the first paid wallabies. And then, you know, at the way where I'm from. They just, the Jamaicans was like, they was moving a lot of drugs out there and stuff like that. But that's all they had was like shark skin, big truck jury, wildebees. You know what I mean? So I came to like taking a liking of them shit. It's nice to come out here to Canal Street and, you know, just scrape me a pet, whatever case may be. And, yeah, and it just, you know, when even by the time we got to the tree of Willingskit, that blue and cream skit, you know what I mean?

It was like, yo, when I had visions of, like, dying and blowing cream. and you listen to the skit, you see what I'm talking about. It was like from there, it was on it was on from there. Yeah. Now, I'll tell you, they're still on Van Duser, the Jamaicans and Haitians. It's still on Van Duser right now. I don't know if you've been over there lately. Yeah, they're still there.

But those are the real joins. You got to get in, you got to be the make sure they made from England. Yeah. Not Taiwan, not China and all the other stuff. Like, because it's a different shoe. Yeah. Yeah. Material's different.

Definitely. So talk to us about how did the whole, you know, what everything Massapil did this year with the legacy series. Yeah. How did the first conversation happen? And what was your take on it? Were you kind of like apprehensive about doing it or was it like I'm all in?

Yeah. Is it full Nause pitch or how to go? For the comic book or just me being on Master Pillar period. Massifil period. With Spring Plyndel too. It's like Peter kept, he kept reaching out like throughout the years. It was like, I don't know, like six years ago, seven years ago. You know what I mean?

He threw it up in the air, you know, and we kept just going back and fall. Then after a while, it was like a, maybe like a two-year gap and he'd come back again and we'd talk, whatever the case may be. But it wasn't the right time. It wasn't the right time. You know, God is the master of all time. You know what I mean? So it's never on my time. It's on his time.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And that was it. So, you know, he came back again. And it was like, you know what? In order for me to give you Supreme, I got to do two albums because that's why I just set the tone. It was setting the tone for Supreme. Okay.

It just didn't have that much promotion. Yeah. This album, Supreme. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it was, it took a while, you know what I mean? And then I'm like, yo, Naz, first of all, that's my favorite rapper. That's my brother.

You know what I mean? And he's my favorite rapper anyway. Like, I'd rather do business with somebody I could get here than, you know, have a relationship. I got a relationship with it. You know what I mean? Because I could look at you and be like, yo son, this is that and this and that. You're going to either see it, how we see it or not. Yeah.

You know what I mean? So I was grateful. I was grateful. Like just to be, to stand with them in these days and times. Like, you know what I mean? It was, it was a beautiful feeling. So it was dope. Where, who was the first to agree?

Because that's what I was curious about that conversation. Like, was De La already on board? Was Alchemist and Havoc already on board? Did they pitch it that way? Like, this is what we're trying to do in 2025. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think they came a little bit after the conversation.

because when I did, with Supreme, when Set the Tone came out, we already, I inked the deal for both of them. Yeah. Already, like, you know what I mean? For Set the Tone and Supreme. I don't think nobody but now is on the label. Got you.

Okay. You know what I mean? They did documentaries, but I don't think nobody else was dead. I'm not sure. I heard about slick raking them late on. Yeah. Was there any pressure calling it Supreme Clientel to?

Just based off the first one being. I just had to be careful. You know what I'm saying? It was like, because I see people do a lot of part twos. Same. I'm not really into part twos. Neither am I. You know what I mean.

You being one of my favorite rappers, I was nervous when I saw the title. I was like, all right. But I know that I could do. Because it just depends on the, like, the beat in the frame of mind. Yeah. Okay. But I don't got a bunch of yes cats around me that's going to say yes to everything I do. And I start with me first.

So, you know, and my past albums from Iron Man, the Supreme Fish Gale and all that, I know how to do these kind of albums. You know what I mean? I just give me some time and give me some beats. But what it is nowadays, you don't got people that really could get, that really makes those kind of beats that move me, like back then. You know what I mean? Like they were just sending me trap beats and all this and this and that and the third.

But it's cool, but it's not the, yeah. Yeah, this ain't the formula. Right. So I try my best to stay within that formula and see where I really wanted to go. Like, what's the theme? of it. What's this and that and the third? That was kind of like one of the hardest parts at first. They're trying to find that.

You know what I mean? Because the last Supreme was just like, it was just magical. It was just, I think I came home from jail and, you know what I mean? And I started just getting these beads and juju and this one and that one and that. And Rizzo came with the skits, the Iron Man skits after that shit. It was just a vibe. You know what I mean? So it's basically the vibe.

You got to find your vibe. And then you go ahead and, you know, do your shit. So I got songs on there from 20 years ago. So, yeah, I want to ask. We could hear some of the differences in the zone. Yeah. And I think we spoke about on the show. I said it sounds like some of these joints, ghosts recorded a few years.

Yeah. Like metaphysics. You my friend, you know, it was a couple of beats that I had from back then. I can't really go through it all right now trying to think of it. But yeah, it might have been like a good like four or five beats tracks back. And yeah, and I got mad shit I left off the album. I had havoc and, you know what I mean, kissing, you know what I mean? But it was just too much.

Yeah. Like, you can't give a nigga like 23 songs and shit. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? I was going to even cut it down even more and shit. Like, you know what I mean? So how intentional was that though? Because even I think it was another interview that said the meth record is from like 15 years ago or something.

Like it was intentional just to hold that for something? Yeah. You were my friend. Yeah. I did that. I've been, I did that. Why did you hold it though for so long? Because it seemed like I could have.

For this album, it seemed like if I was going to do Supreme, like this one might could be for that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like metaphysics and other things like that. So I just felt like just keep it in the vote. Do whatever, whatever, whatever. By the time it comes, you pull it back out and see if it fit.

Yeah. That's it. I would have said pause there, but I'm kind of scared of that. All right. So with the point, no, no, no, no. Go, go, go. Yeah. No, no.

No, no. Because y' motherfuckers, man. No. But you don't know why this is so funny, right? I'm explaining it because he won't. So the Paul skit on Supreme Clientelts L2 is fucking hilarious. Right. Hilarious.

What you may not know is that Maul's older brother is the person that invented Paul's. Yeah. Like, it's not no myth, for real. Invented Pauls and started this whole thing, his older brother. Yeah. So that's why that when we... I got to meet this name. It's Biggs from Rockefeller.

Yeah. Yeah. I know how to be somebody from Rockefeller. Yeah. Yeah, because they're the first motherfuckers I heard. Dang. Yeah. Then I ain't here for me.

The Cam, Cam just blew out the frame. He went, he went crazy. He went. I'm like, damn, Nick, I can't even speak no more. Because all my shit is pause all day. But it's pause to y'all. Not to me. It's like, that, you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, exactly. So I'm like, I'm like, I think blow your head off. Yeah, that's too far. We can't talk no more. Yeah, yeah. That's it. But the talk. your salad line made teeter the line of pause.

I can see that. That was no reason for saying that. Hold on. But back then you say it was a fresh salad. Yeah. Because it wasn't like that back there. It wasn't. You know what we just, it's like,

yeah, listen. I might be the most pauses niggas, you know what I mean? Because back, if I, alright, let me ask you a question. Like I said, on the skit. Yeah. And our wraps, you know what I mean? We would be like,

we'd be like, we know, if you got, cut with a, you know what I mean? They'd be like, yo, I blew that nigga. You know what I'm saying? I blew that nigga like, yo. And our Rikers, that makes it crazy. No, but I'm just saying, though.

You got, you know, but our minds ain't thinking on no homo shit. You know what I mean? Ain't no shit over here. You're going to get killed. You know what I'm saying? No, on the skin, you put it like, you have some freaky-ass mind. You have freaky-ass minds. It is because why every time I be like,

so i can't tell you like yo meet me at the store yeah i can't say that no more right i can't say that that being a pause is crazy yeah no you can't say no no they gotta say every time they say that yo no i'm i'm no we're gonna meet up over at pause but we're gonna be over here it's like why is you saying that shit though what's on your mind that making you think like that's that's that's what i'm saying like what's on your mind yeah yeah yeah why you're putting you on sexually shit every time you got to talk now right that's that's what you're saying that's That's not my error. Right, right.

Is it a new nigga? Nah. You know what I mean? It went too far. Scamming them ain't new. I'm like, yo, come on there.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean? We can't even go to a meeting. No, we can't. You can't. You see what I'm saying?

Yo, everything is a fucking pause. It's like, it's like, yo, I gotta pause out of the game. Yeah, but that,

you know, that was so I had to, for the skit. It was like, yo, because I'm thinking the skits. and like, yo, what the, you know what I mean? Move and then that shit right there.

Yeah, I got to talk about it. These motherfuckers is, you know, that's shit was fucking hilarious. I will say that we recorded today right before we came here, and it just leaked that you guys had put out the Kevin Durant joined the New York Knicks video. I don't know if you saw on your phone.

It finally leaked the video. The video? Yeah, it came out today. What fucking video? But y'all was trying to get Kevin Durant to come to the Knicks. Oh, yeah. I remember something like that. It came out a few hours ago.

Oh, for real? Met was talking about it and then someone found the footage and it went on the internet today. We was talking to, or we was rapping? Y'all was rapping. You're laughing.

It's the whole video. Yeah. I was talking about it and then they found the actual video. Right. Yeah. And we said pause because Risa started that shit

with like, yo, we need you to come. Yeah. And it was like, whoa. You see? Riza relaxed. Come on, man. You see?

It's fucked up. It's like, but I'm not falling for that shit. I'm still going to talk my shit. That's a fact. That's a fact. Because I'm going to pause me. Like I said, man, it's like, thinking, this is how we, this is how we talk.

Yeah. Why your mind going to? Yeah. Yes. It's like, yo, come on, man. Why is, um, I don't know. We're not getting off this Knicks shit first. Because there was a crazy theory today that, that Dolan put that together and reached out

to Wutang to try to get Kevin Durant to come to the Knicks and played that in, like, some meeting when he was meeting with the Nets. So what happened? Like, he, he, he did. Pause, huh. I'm not going to say it. I'm not. I'm not going to say in front of you.

I respect you too much. It's whatever. It's whatever now. But do you remember even how that whole like shit happened? Because I think it was what, 2019 maybe? Yeah. Yeah, it was in the studio. I mean, we had to go to the studio and get and record that shit.

But damn, man, I don't know. I just got the call just to like a couple of us got the call just to go ahead and go in the studio and throw a couple of bars. I think it was. And yeah, that was it. Yeah. And then Katie went to. Brooklyn instead.

Went to Brooklyn. Yeah, he went to Brooklyn. Y'all should have specified the New York. Y'all said New York. I think you said the next. But we just filed day script. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, they dig you a script. Like, yo, this, oh, that's what you want us to say, like, you know what I mean? Whatever. Just do something around there. Like, yeah. Question about the album. Why is Winter Wars not on DSPs? I don't know, man.

That's a RISA question. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's that's that nigger shit. Okay. Yeah. That sounds like it's more to that, but I ain't going to dig too. No, because I, shit, I don't, I'm honest with you. You got to ask this motherfucker.

Okay. I feel you. Yeah. Listen, I ain't hiding this shit. Yeah. Not because I was wondering, I was like, why I went to war? It's not on an album no more. Like, every time I go, I went to Spotify.

She was not on an album no more? Nah. Oh, shit, I didn't know that shit. First of all, I don't even let's get Peter. I do these albums. I don't listen to them no more. Okay. I get that, though.

Why is that? Why is that? Because I, shit, nigga, I'm making them. I just, that was it. Unless you put it on and be something. where and be like, yo, but other than that, and plus, I'm funny, nigga. So I'm like this, man. I hear a lot of shit in certain music, especially my early music that I shouldn't have

did, and it pissed me off when I hear it back. Okay. You know what I mean? And shit like that, like, especially with Iron Man. I was forced, I had to do that, like, I don't know if it was 30 days or 60 days to do that shit. It was quick. It had to do it fast, like, because they tried to make a quota, like, for the end of the

year. That's why I came out in October. Yeah. Okay. You know what I mean? So I think it was, I had to do it fast. And I'm like, I don't, I'm not a fast writer. Okay.

I write, I take my time. Yeah. Sometimes I got to come back and, you know what I mean? And do shit like that. But that was my first record deal. Right. You know what I mean? Right.

And I think they was coughing up like maybe like five, six hundred thousand or whatever like that back thing. You, nigga what the fuck? You know what I'm coming to get that. We're going to try to finish this shit. Yeah. Absolutely. Word.

And that's why I got a little, not my eyes with it, but that's why I always like, you know what? Because I knew me. I'm coming off of Cuban links. Right. You know what I mean? I'm skating all over that shit. So I'm like, yo, okay, this shit hit. And yeah, that's what it was.

Yeah. I know you've told about like the impossible verse and everything where you're pulling from some true stuff and some not. How much of fourth disciple is true and factual? Fourth disciple. Yeah. Off the new Supreme. I just, fourth to,

oh, you know fourth title made that beat. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The story you're telling me. Yeah, I just,

I just, I'm, listen, I'm like a Scorsese nigga. You know what I mean? So when I hear, when I hear certain beats, I'll just,

whatever I see in my mind, I'll just jot that. Yeah. I'll write that like that. Yeah. Right to where it's like a movie. Like, you know what you can just,

I've always been that. picture it like that so it was just like it made me just going to it like that because it's that's how it felt to me like that little bit yeah have you ever thought about like writing screenplays just because you have that side of your brain yeah yeah shit i got wraps that screenplay facts you know what i mean like people that they're gonna be heard yeah i got shit that other albums i don't did that versus on it as like even even when with stolen script or like i think was like uh more fish with jami fox like you know i mean it was it's he's not on the track though but it was Like, I think it was about him some shit.

I got to hear it again. But it was like a blind nigga. Like, someone was blind and doing all those other shit. But I just, music makes me see shit. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're that. I was watching, shit, I've watched every ghost interview, I think.

Have you ever talked about how the Mr. Morrell-Kendrick connection happened with your verse on the album? I've never seen you speak about that before. He, um, nah, he called me. Okay. Like, I got the call through my manager from his people or whatever the case may be. One day, and it was like, all, cool. You know, and then he called me, got to me on the phone, and he was like, yo, I want you to do this thing for me.

I want you to do this verse on this song. I got here, but this, I want you to do it this way. And that, I'm like, we're talking about. So he, like, he did, he imitated me over the phone. He sent it to me. And was like, yo, like, you know, like a pattern, like a rhyme style. Yeah. Case may be.

I'm like, aye, cool. So I went, just for safety, I gave him like two verses. You know what I mean? I'm like, hold on. But it just hit me like, yo, because I know he was like, you know, out of the younger generation, he was like the, like, he's like the hottest one of like, you know, chop three at all of them. Like, you know what I mean?

Probably number one. I'm like, it just hit me like, damn. For him to call me, it's like, yo, he a fan. You know what I mean? Like, yo, and he was just talking to me like, like, yo, man, you know, Supreme clientele and this one and that one. I forgot what song he told me like, you do when he did the flow though.

But yeah, it was like, it was kind of like surprising to me though. But I had to make sure because I know how he do. Like he a master. You know what I mean? Like he crafty with his shit. So I had to just write like two verses for him. And he picked the one that was, what you would call it. Yeah.

That's interesting. That surprises you that the greats of this time are directly influenced from you. like that's crazy to hear yeah of course because it's you know it's because the time changed and i'll be around a lot of young cats too that that that don't even know me yeah you know what mean like you know because i'm like yo I'm like they was in three years old by the time we was out here like you know what I'm saying yeah so you know you grow with the time so that you know I'm like the stylistic cities like yeah you know what I'm saying so it's like it's like yo but It was amazing to be like, oh, snap,

but then the hand shot me out and called me, we went on the phone, and he's like, yo, I just need you to, whatever. And that was it. That's why I said, yeah, you know what? If he don't like this one, I'm sending them this one. I just wrote both for them at the same time and just gave it to him. Yeah, I mean, Woon to me,

Wai Woo is so interesting outside of the obvious is you guys have a bunch of kids, but you guys were so unique. I can find a bunch of people that you easily could see were influenced by Jay, Nas, Big. But Wu Tang was so authentic in themselves. I don't know if you could find somebody that could even try to repeat what they did or make it look like, oh, this is a direct influence.

Of course, they were all influenced, but how do you even try to, like, replicate that? You could replicate somewhat of what bad boy was trying to do. You could replicate, you could try to do your best to sound like Nas. You'd be like, all right, yo, Lupe is a God MC, but you could see directly influenced by Nas. Right, right, right, right.

Wu has a bunch of kids, but you can't pick them out because they don't, who could even try to replicate, Wu? I mean, like. Griselda, maybe. Yeah, okay. Grzota, yeah, as far as the fashion goes,

yeah, I could definitely see that too. Like just being so unique and so raw. Right. Yeah, I can see, yeah, Griselda, Grisela would probably be the closest there too. And as far as when they come together, they're this, but separate. Yeah.

I'm right. I mean, that's, that's it. It's like, you know, first of all, dealing with nine, ten motherfuckers, man. It's a lot, yo. God bless, man. God bless. And we, we all.

We do all this shit. We have a tough time. We can't get a motherfucking on the right page. We can't get shit like, yo, nigger. Let's do this. Nah, let's do that. And then it winds up seriously like it don't even happen. Like, you know what I mean?

Because we're not on this. Unless Rizzle would be like, yo, you know what? We just go and do that. And we just file an Abbott and just be like, I, you know, fuck it, y'all. Then you know what? That's what is. Then fuck it, man.

You know what I mean? It's like, you know, I might, because I'm one of motherfuckers. I'd be like, I like a lot of fly shit. I might be like, yo, we can't be coming on stage like looking like 90, like back in the 90s,

you know what I mean? Let's get on some new edition shit out here. I've heard, I've heard, I'm saying I want to tour and new addition. Yeah. The rules saying new edition tour would be crazy.

That's the tour of me. That's crazy. That's crazy. You know what I mean? But then you got brothers saying like, nah, I ain't throwing on no blazer. I ain't throwing on no shit like that.

Yeah. Like, I'm like, yo, but we got to get at least one time out of these fucking 30-some years, nigg just like, though, get it right. That'll be crazy. You know what I mean?

All his suits. Come on, man. You see what I'm saying? That would be great. The album cover. Yeah, man. It's like, yo. But that, but there goes with everybody's character, like all these nine fucking

energies, different energies, it's like it's hard to get. And it's hard. I'm telling you, we've been here for 30-something years. It's hard, bro. Yeah. It's hard to get on the same page. It's hard, very. How much music did you, did you, or if you did at all?

Did you lose any music in the flood at Christmas, like any solo music? It was a lot of music lost. Deck especially, right? Yeah, I think deck probably one that took the biggest hit. But we all did because them beats was like, yo, you know, and you know what?

That might have been God's, let me take something. To get to the next level, a lot of times you got to go through hell or come out, right? There's always going to be something that fucks you over. You know what I mean? I don't give up. It could be deaf. It could be this and that and the third for you to go here.

You know what I mean? You've got to have a loss or something. But it was hard, though. Yeah. It was the flood. It was the flood. Yeah. It was them beats.

But I can see you taking that and using that as the flood. Noah Zalk. Oh, yes. Of course. Of course. But I'm saying, though, like, it was good. A lot of good music. A lot of good music that was lost in that flood.

Like, fucked all the diss up and all that shit. Yeah. Word. All of it. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough. I mean, allegedly, the Delphonix thing

with what happened in the car, we don't have to get into that. I just want to know what the car ride home was like. You've told the story, but like, you never told the conversation afterwards. How did you get the Delphonix to still report after they were just in the shootout with you? Like, how does that happen? No, they were some cool niggas, man.

They got to be. It was cool. They got to be. They was like, I felt bad. Yeah. I felt like, like, yo, man, you don't. These niggas are. Oh, man, you got these niggas in the fucking shootout.

But they was, yo, they was like, nah, but you don't worry about that shit, man. Yeah, worry about that. Like, they're from Philly, man. Yeah, yeah. Philly is gangsters. So they were just like, yo, something told me to bring my knife. He was like, yo, something told me. The Delight skin one was like, something told me to bring my knife.

Like, like, yo. I'm like, yo, but while they're saying all that, I'm just saying sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we going in, you know, we going in the studio and shit, on an elevator and shit. I'm just like, yo, I'm sorry, yo. I'm sorry. I just lost it because I didn't, the way it happened, the Delphons, they wasn't even on my mind, bro. I'm going to kill these niggas.

You know what I mean? And that's just what it was. Like, and too, it was like all over and it was like, that's why they did. After the smoke, it's clear. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

So that's, it came out. It came out like that. That was right after the shit. That's a fucking movie. It was like, yo, man, and we've been cool ever since. Like, every since we meet up, yeah, man. Thank God, nothing serious, you know what I mean? Oh, no.

Yeah, but, yo, I love the Delphalanx, man. That's my soul. Yeah. Those, they're my soul. Yeah. That error. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah.

But where is that really? That we just went to the studio. That was it. It wasn't like the, the, the, the, the, I can't remember what it was like when I, after the studio session was over, like, going back, because I can't remember this shit. But yeah, bro, I was it.

Where does that all, like, derive from? Because why you've always been my favorite out of Wu-Tang outside of your raps and tone is I'm a super soul and R&B nerd. So, like, that's why I always more, like, drive more to ghost because of that, where does that stem from? That that's always kind of been. I mean, when you was little, man,

it stem from being in the living room with all the older folks you know what I mean getting kicked out because you're too young you know what I mean everybody smoke a weed dancing and you know what I mean

your mother's playing all the Aisley brother's shit you know what I mean that's when you back at that time when we was little we had afros and shit yeah so we picking up the brum thinking you was Michael Jackson

and you know what I mean all those other shit but it was just it was just the tone that was set in the crib at that time it was it was it was you know my mom's they set the tone

without even know they set the tone. Yeah. You know what I mean? It was like, because they was just jamming to shit. You know what I mean? And that shit just stay with me.

So when I hear it, it was like, you remember that. Like, oh, shit, yo. And to be honest with you, that's, that music is like the most flies music ever.

It's not even close. Yeah. It's not even close. Like, they ain't making music like that no more. That's why I sample a lot. Yeah. That's why I do a lot of them systems.

I did holler on Fiskegill. I rhymed over that, over the words and everything because I don't, I don't hear words. Yeah. I just know where I'm at in the groove. Like, yo, and just get it, even with the shit on Supreme, the, um, the, the Commodore shit.

Yeah. Um, the fuck is at Zoom. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Like, yo, the words was like, yo, I don't hear the words. Yeah. I want to get that. Right.

You know what I mean? Because I'm not getting in nowhere else. That's all. Yeah. And, I mean, was that something that you put to Rizzo when it came to doing your solo shit? Like, we lean in this way. I know you on the dirty ASR shit, but we focused on this. I ain't, at that time, I was just finding myself.

Yeah. Okay. I was finding myself. I even know how to talk to Rizzo about what that was the, who did what it was. It's like, now when he played a couple of those beats, like all I got is you and all that. I didn't know what I was going to do to it. I just know I wanted it. You know what I mean?

When I took it home and I started with you McCourt, it made me reflect on my struggle. Yeah. Like growing up, you know what I mean? Three bedrooms with 15 of us and all these apartments, you know what I mean, in the apartment and roaches everywhere and this and that and the third and muscular dystrophy. My brothers are like, it's like it just, that's why I say. Sometimes the beat speaks to you. It speaks like, you know what I mean? And it made me just pour my life out on that.

So now even when I hear that record, I can't really like hear it, hear it because it brings you to a place. Yeah, you live. So it's different. Sometimes it can make me sad. Yeah. Or it might make me feel like, yo, damn tone, you don't spill the guts. Yeah. You don't, you don't told shit that the average nigga would be embarrassed of saying.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's my gauge. That's my gauge. But it's like, yo, that's the most illest shit. Because when I, when I said it, I got niggers, I got, I got people just from all over. Like, yo, even in the South, like, yo, that's my shit. Because they can relate.

Absolutely. You know what I mean? I was the only one that was in the struggle. Yeah. And that's it. Like, yeah. That's my gauge of finding out someone's sociopath. If you play that record and don't cry, you're a sociopath.

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Where did that rumor come from? I never heard that rumor. Really? No, not me. Not me and Mace getting into it at the tunnel. Yeah, hell. That was a big rumor. Oh, no.

It was so many rumors, man. You know what I mean? Like, just that one I heard, Fat Joe. You know what I mean? Like, a lot, a lot, a lot. But it was, no, no, there was, no, there ain't no truth to that. I don't even think I've ever seen Mace in the tunnel. All right, so that's good to know.

Yeah, I was two of my favorites. I was like, what? And I just feel a little gossipy. But even Kanye wrapped that. You know how my face felt, you would know how Mace felt. And I think that was in regards to you. Yeah, that was gossipy shit. But, yeah, even Kanye's wrapped that shit before.

Oh, that's a big rumor. that wrong. Yeah. I know what he said. When he said, I ain't thinking nothing to, you know what mean? Yeah. I understand. I didn't think that deep into it. Yeah. Was Bulletproof while I was the first rap album that suffered from sample clearances? I remember it being one of the early. Big sample. Yeah. First of all, one of the slick rig joints that I had called the son. If I would have had three records on there, let me tell you something. That, that album would have just been ridiculous. Wait, it's still ridiculous. What you mean? That's a classic. Listen, now, you didn't, when I had to watch on that,

you know, they took the watch off. I had the son with Slick Rick. Me, Slick Rick, Rizzo and Rayquan, they took that shit off. And it was another one that, oh, the Flowers beat. The Flowers beat, they changed the original beat to flowers. Do you what I mean? So I had to change it. Like, if I would have kept my original, all that shit up there,

yo, bro, it's, yeah. I know how to do these shits, man. No, 100, listen, 1,000% before you to say, that it would have been better than what already is. It's a classic. Listen. With those other three on it, listen,

it would have been some shit, bro. That's crazy. I'm trying to tell you that is wild. I'm trying to tell you, yeah, man. Was the Slick Rick, we actually were just talking about this week, the Fade to Black movie when you perform with Beyonce at the Garden of the summertime,

and Slick Rick came with all the jury. How long has your relationship been so close that way? because when he pulled up and just was taking all the jewelry I didn't know he was going to come I didn't know he was going to come with all his jewelry

I didn't say nothing I didn't say anything I can feel it I can feel it I tried to say that I knew what he was doing that's something like I'm not even feeding into that shit

I knew he feel it yeah you know what I didn't know he was going to slide through yeah you know what I don't know if that's a thing you know what I mean but because I reached out to him And I was like, yo, because I had a bag for him to be like, yo, listen, I'm going on the stage with Beyonce.

Yeah. You know what I'm at the garden? Yo, Rick, let me just hold something, whatever the case may be. This is then the third. But you know, that's his prize possession. So, yeah. At first, I don't know if he, I don't know if he, I didn't think he was going to come. You know what I mean?

No, no. No, no. Listen, this is serious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't know he was going to slide through whatever the case may be. Arrive at the venue. Yeah. Yeah.

So I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, you know, so I wasn't even thinking about it. Like we didn't even talk about it no more because I think he might have told me like, yeah, or said something in whatever case, me. Anyway, he was like, I think it was happening. So when I'm there, you know, be back there, you know, me and Beyonce, this and that and the third. And then all of a sudden, like, you know, he came out of nowhere. She on stage doing her shit. Yeah.

Yo, he came to me at the, at, I think while that shit was on, while she was on, she was doing that. We could hear the record was playing. Yeah. The footage. And it was like, he just, he was like, he had, he had his little bag and he just started throwing him shit so on me. Yeah.

Like, I just got heavier and heavy and heavier. It was like, yeah. I can't wrap this way. It was like the, it was like the power of rig. Like, oh, shit. Yeah. So I walk out I'm walking out

And all of a sudden The verse just left me It left I'm like My part is getting ready to come And I'm getting ready You know I'm getting ready to go Yeah

So I'm like I'm like oh shit I asked my manager I say yo what's what's What's the fuck What's the shit? What's my first bar? You just need the first bar That's all I need is the first bar I couldn't get it

Yeah I couldn't get it So I'm like, oh shit. She's on fucking stage. Oh, my God. That's giving me anxiety. No, the park coming up. I'm like, oh, my God.

I can't go over for the $30,000, $20,000 and just either get booed or just like don't go. Yeah. So I'm like, oh shit. So I'm like, it's coming. Like, she's getting closer, it's getting closer, getting closer. Yeah. So I start walking up, walking up. I'm going.

So all I can say. see it's like it's slow motion. I saw just dame dad's face when he looked at me from the side. Because niggas ain't seen me with all that shit on. He just looked at me and said, oh, I didn't hear him. I just read his mouth. Yeah. Like, oh, shit.

Boom. Like, and I'm like, the steps is right there, nigga. Just go. I sit on God, and I'm like, oh, shit. But when it came, it was God. Yeah. He was just like, I think he just like, kick me or slap me. Yeah.

Bown. Yeah. I should sit back in there and a lot. Yo, it just came. I said, yo, and I just flowed that shit. But when she seen me with all that shit on, she was like. Yeah. Because we did rehearsal.

Mm-hmm. You know, it was regular shit. Yeah. She's seen that. Like, he came to perform. No, I was the craziest. It was like, oh, shit, this nigger, one of the niggas. Yeah, yeah.

It's great. jewelry was crazy. I was at the show that night. And when you came out, we didn't know that that was slick Rick jewelry. We just thought that was ghost on his bullshit. I'm throwing everything on the night. So when Fade the Black came out,

and we saw Rick putting it. I was like, oh, that's- That was crazy. Yeah, because when you came out with the road, but that was with Tony Starks and we're like, we don't know where ghosts got all this shit from. I'm telling you. But it's the garden.

That might have been one of the best times, or probably the best time without the clan that I ever had. had like on stage like like like as far as like hearing the raw from the crowd no that's summertime record in all that they we couldn't believe y'all that because i was cool i'm like yo because jay didn't even let sean paul do his shit nah yeah i'm like man niggas you calling me yeah yeah yeah yeah it's like yo so he trusted me up there just to get ahead and but that was so be with his girl that was so crazy because that when that record came out everybody loved that that that was like a was a case

slay that i gave it to slate I remember when Slate put that up. I gave it to Slate because I was in Miami doing Pretty Tony. And my man down there, uh, uh, Tom of Rock, he got the DJ Tom of Rock. Yeah, yeah. He got, he, he said, yo, I got this joint for you. It's a Beyonce joint. Anything Beyonce give it to me.

Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Boom. And now heard that, it was over. That was, that was it. I'm like, oh, I'm damn on winning shit. Wait a tomorrow.

Oh, boom. Did that shit. Yeah. and laid it down, came out, way, what, yo, I sent it straight to Slay. Yeah, then Slate was the one that did it.

I remember the way. But then Diddy had it too, though? Yeah. You know what I didn't know he had? Because he wasn't on it. Yeah. And then he tried to play his shit afterwards and shit.

I guess that might have been his shit or whatever. I don't know. Whatever, whatever. He could be lying. I don't know. Anyway, it ain't work. Right. Yeah, no, no.

I don't know. I remember. He ain't glad. Even if that was never the official remix. He ain't glad. That was the, That was the official remix for sure. Yeah.

So how quickly did Slickrigg ask for his jewelry back? Because I would have exited like stage right instead of left. And I would have held on for a little bit. Man, listen, man, I was grateful. He came to do what he did what he did. And I got out that stage. I went back to the room. Yeah, that was it.

Yo, good looking. Bow, bow, pout. Shit that nigga back. That was it. That was it. Because I mean, I'm guessing that's the only time y'all ever put. performed that record together. Yes.

Yeah. Like to be in the garden that night and see that, because nobody was expecting for Yonthe to perform that record. That shit was incredible. And I forgot my shit. It felt magical. It was like, you know,

and knowing that now was even crazy because looking back, you came out and it was like, that's, that's ghost crazy. Yo, bro, I was scared. You know what I mean?

I was tremendously scared just to go up on that stage and just be like, uh, yo. And just be stuck. It would have been time for a snickers. Like, you want to get away? You know what I said?

Yeah. Speaking of Snickers and Kickass, and we was talking off Mike. So, Mall told the story when he met Stiles people the first time and when he met somebody that he idolized, legend, that they was exactly who they thought they were. Right.

During COVID, DJ Premier put you and I on text message to do an emotional oranges record where you had done two verses. And I was going to bring a certain amount of money money cash to you. This is at the height of the fucking pandemic. You text me back and said, nah, God, I got diabetes. You're not getting near me. Right. During COVID, you sure it was me?

Why? You said, you said your nephew, I still speak to to this day. Oh, okay. I've given him the cash and eventually when I get that record back from Universal, we're putting that shit out, that DJ Premier remix. Also, I did the record. Yeah, you did two verses on it. Oh, oh, cool. You actually asked Premier about it. At Barclays, like a few weeks ago, he had called me. He was like, yo, Ghost wants to put that shit out. I'm like, so do I. We got to talk universal.

Oh, hold on. I'm playing for you when we get off mic to remember you. Oh, so that was. Oh, so, I remember Premier did have me, yeah, something like that. That was with my group, yeah. Oh, I got you. Yeah. And he put us on text and I was going to give you the bread.

And he was like, nah, God, you're not getting near me. Probably. Probably. This was like the height of the pandemic. Right. Nobody was even. No, exactly. No, exactly.

Yeah. Wait. God, man. I ain't want to go nowhere. Hell, yeah. I was holding my breath. You know, he'd be like, yo, if you were showing it to breath, every five minutes, I was like,

trying to see if I could hold my shit for like 30, 30 seconds, 20, 30 seconds, the lung time, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then if I hold it for 30, something like that, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. I'm doing that shit all the fucking time. Like, going to the bath from mid, 3 o'clock in the morning, take the piss. I'm like, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. All that shit? Yeah, yeah. All right. I'm good. go back to sleep y'all nigger hell yeah

oh man so we got we don't want to keep ghosts too much yeah of course no of course some questions from the audience

or yeah for that anybody got a question nobody got a question don't get shot now I had a question you answered it but what happened to the eagle bracelet

I'm just curious oh we still got that oh okay yeah but you I still got it yeah my matter of fact it's the only thing with that one

it was like I brought it to the video shoot but I was going to wear it But remember I was like, what's how it was? When was that? What year was that? When I did, that was bulletproof wallets. Okay.

Because I did, I did the shit with Lisa, what's the name? Lisa, right? The car time is the shit. That would be 98. Yeah, had the bird on in there. I tried that bitch back on. Like nowadays, over? Biggest two, yeah, you got to get that shit, expanded.

I was going to say, with the wrist fluctuating, if you work out. Yeah, yeah. You got to get that. Who made that? My man from Beverly Hills, his name is Jason. Okay. Oh, Jason made that? Jason made that.

And Beverly Hills? Yeah. You know, he do all the NBA rings now, the championship. Yeah, I know that. He do everything. Super Bowl rings, all that shit. He did. He did this piece.

He did my team's piece. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Yeah, he do all that shit. Yeah. Hell yeah. That should be his logo. That piece that he did for Ghosts like, that was iconic shit.

Hi there. Hey. I really liked hearing about how you're like a student of soul like in how you know you grew up with certain songs and things and memories that are attached to that so my first question is what's your favorite song and then my second question is is there a sample that you haven't touched yet that you're waiting to a sample mm-hmm man it's really good let's get to that it's so many samples you know what I mean stevie one of the samples all like that I really want to go in on like a lot of those it's a lot of old samples

Like from the 70s and shit like that, like that I haven't touched. Like, like, yo, when I hear him, certain records I hear, it's like, yo, you know, I want to murder that shit. Like that. So, but, um, and what's the other one you said? I was wondering what your favorite song was. What's your favorite? Oh, I can't. A song I did or just a regular just a-

From growing up that you heard. Damn, it's a lot, yo. It's like, you know, it's a lot. I can't even answer it. I'm sorry because it's, you got Jackson, five you got Curtis Mayfield you got you got new birth and all these

the moments and you know what I mean oh shit you know what I mean what's the ones that made I want to go outside I'm gonna mean I murdered that before but they took it off Supreme Clientel first one yeah remember how my album because I did this shit I snuck it

on there okay and then when they took it off the whole track list them was fucked up yeah they was like yeah what the fuck is this you know what I mean you like that Word. But, yeah, it's like it's just so much, I'm a fan of all that shit back then, and I miss it.

It's just, if I can murder all them shit, I'll do it. But, yeah, it's just, I can't even narrow it down because once you hear one, then you be like, oh, shit, this shit put you in the zone. Yeah. Yeah, man. I feel like Wizard of Poetry might be, just if I'm guessing would be one of your favorite albums to make.

It is. Because I'd be a nigger. To me, like, I love that just because I was like, Ghosts just over R-B samples. I always wanted the right stories like that. So when I got a chance to do it and do it for Def Jam and shit, it was like, yo, at least I got one off my back.

Like, with all that. You had Rahim Devine and a stall and. Yeah, I don't know what I mean. I love that album. Yeah, all that shit like that. That felt like the album, to me, again, as a fan, that that was the first one, Ghost was just by himself and got to do anything he wanted to do.

Yeah, shout to Lenny. Yes, you know what I mean? Because he was the one that was like, getting these guys and females doing the hooks for me you know and all that shit like that but yeah it's like I'm big on R&B so it was like when I was catching it was like

alright cool and and that was it but that is like my best one though I love that project I think it's the most underrated project you're writing it was just writing yeah and Deb Jams just dropped the ball on it they even not go running to John Legend he was like what happened

I said yo bro I don't I don't even know how to answer him like you know what I mean because I know what he's talking about yeah there's a thing that we're all of the great rappers are major R&B heads. Like, is it, like, what is it about, like, because I think that it, you have to be into R&B in order to rap because it's just melodies and different, you know, rhythms and things like that, like, but all of the great MCs all will tell you, like, all I

listen to is R&B. What is it about? I mean, it calms you, man. It's like, it's like, it just, it just, it's the soul. It's just different. Rap is rap. Don't get me wrong. But when you can just get into another world and just going to that world there and,

I don't know, it just hits different. Like, I could do all day without rap, like, you know what I mean? Just, yeah, just, just, just, just, you know, put on that 80s fucking R&B, all that shit like that. And then you could go back to like the regular soul, all that shit, the moments, all these stylistic niggas and you know what I mean? It's like, it just hits different. Yeah. And you could feel it. Right.

Like, I guess, I guess, I guess, because everything is so digital now, back then you had to play them instruments. You could feel it. sweat dripping off the motherfucking instant. You know what I mean? Like, oh shit. So it's just going to your soul different. Like, like, yo, where it makes you, like, when they be singing about love songs,

David ruffing and all that shit, like, it's like, it's that voice, that scratchy shit that's like, you're in a kitchen with this nigga, like, oh shit. Like, you could feel love for real, real. Yeah. Not this bullshit.

You feel it. Yeah. So that's the difference. Like, this little shit that's going on here, yeah, it's different. Diggie. Ain't no soul to disrespect. A lot of this shit, you can't even fuck off a nigga.

You know what I mean? It's like, you ain't feeling it. It's not even in either. It's like, but if you're doing some fucking Luther's a shit. Yeah, yeah, it's like, yo. You know what you're not wrong at all? It's like, you know, nigga. Yeah.

You know what I mean? It's too, it's, it's, listen, man. Is there any R&BX now that you fuck with? The R&BX now. No, you got, you got voices out there. You got some shit, but it ain't like back there. No. Yeah.

I mean, I don't think anything to compare. You know, but I do, I do want to do records with my man, um, um, um, the new guy that just, um, um, Leon Thomas. Leon Thomas. I knew you was going to say. I'm a mutt. I can hear that. Yeah.

That was funny. I didn't want to interrupt you. I knew he was talking about Leon Thomas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's funny, when he played me Mutt for the first time before even the Gibbs remix came out, the first thing I said to him in the studio when he played that for me before it came out, I said, go should be on this. I wanted it.

I wanted it. Yeah, I wanted that. First day, I was like, this is ghost. Yeah, man. Hell yeah. Then I got to hear other beats that he had. It's like, yo. I'll connect y'all.

I'll connect you all. I'll connect you to that. I promise. I told Todd Dollar, I bummed to him somewhere in a weird place. Like, after Wu-Tang show somewhere, he was one of these,

we were in some weird-ass fucking town. And he happened to be up in the barn shit. Like, oh, shit. Like, yo, you know what I mean? But, yeah, do that. No, I definitely will. Tye's one of them too, though. Like, Tau could have been from the 70s.

To me, Tye is that talented. Tadale is one of them to me as well. Outside. And it makes sense that him and Leon are, you know, signed together here. Todd won't. But that's a nice, look. Yeah, he good. I want to work with him.

Lauren Hill, work with Lauren too. You know what I mean? Did you guys ever, like, run into each other often? Or when, you know, he was more outside and younger. Did you run into Lauren? Nah, because I seen that we did a show together at the uptown at the um i think the state building and shit and that might have been like the only time i think i i ever seen to though but i loved her since i even told her that this time

when he when he was on the wu-tane run yeah came out and did like i told her i'm like yo buge i'm not to i told her won't we exchange numbers i told her again like yo she only chick that probably that they made that they made me cry like you know what i mean and that and that and that and them came from the unplug album. When she was crying, she made me cry. Right, Bono. I bought the vinyl before we started recording. I literally took the vinyl right there and went to the cash register and

I said they got the unplug vinyl here? Yeah. That unplugged album is incredible. Miseducation is this, but. Yeah, so that was the power. Like, you know what I mean? I felt her. Yeah.

So, you know, yeah, shout to Lauren. No, absolutely. Her son Zion now is making incredible music. Yeah, no, Zion is fire. Right. Well, we don't want to keep. Yeah, I know you got stuff to do. man, listen, man, from the kid growing up in the Bronx

who saved his allowance to buy your first album. Thank you, bro. It's an honor to meet you. It's an honor to sit here and kick with you, man. Thank you so much. Appreciate everything you've given us in the culture. We appreciate all of the bars. And just for me, from all sake,

can we get a show soon? Because your personality is too big to just rap. You got to be on TV every Sunday around 8 p.m. You were made for podcasts. Yeah, we need a ghost face on TV every Sunday at 8 p.m. Man, we need it, man. Yeah, man. Now, we're talking about something like that, though,

but you know when it, if it, by the grace of God, if it manifests, it manifests, you know what I mean. That's the fact. Yeah, that's, you know, that's shit. My God chote y'all is, you heard? Let's make it happen. Let's get it.

That's ghost face. I'm that, nigga. Peace. Love, love, love. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.