New Rory & MAL - Checking In With Grafh

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Grafh checks in with Rory and Mal to discuss what went wrong for New York Hip-Hop last decade, play a New York edition of "This or That", and reminisce about the time Grafh almost stabbed Busta Rhymes #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Peeze, don't never tell the action. Don't say action to me. Don't tell action to me. All right, we are back, Rory. Today we are joined by somebody who I'm convinced it might be seven of the. these guys. It's not just one person. I think it's seven of him's. Okay. He's everywhere, anywhere. Anytime I decide to go outside, if there's one person I know I'm going to see and always good to see somebody that for years I've known, always got great energy, always show love, always supporting.

And one of the dovest emcees out of the city that we had, one of the bars spitters, one of the guys that still holds bars to a high level, a legend, New York City legend. my guy Graf. How you feeling, family? There's Slash the ones. There you go. They're clapping at home, as we said. They're clapping at home. But today we hear to talk about just New York City, man, and just where things are, New York rap. First of all, I've seen the clip of you last night. Roy, I don't know if we saw it. Graff was poolside rapping.

He got a song with Buster. And Graff is poolside rapping. I just started laughing because I'm like, if you know Graf, like, you know he can't wait for a reason to take his shirt off. That's just new, though. I never really did that my whole career I was in shape the whole time I was like one these days I'm gonna do a show with no shirt on how's that how's that work out for you

it's fun it's fun having a blast my rebrand it's my new shit it's fucking blast it's crazy too because that you've got to get bust to give you some steroids no I don't want those

but it's funny because that whole I just had a bunch of content in my main crib it wasn't even planning to do that I was like just roll a camera a fuck the reason we're going to shoot shit I'm just rapping and doing shit and we just edit it up

what we edited it It looks cool. It looks like a whole party. It really wasn't. It looks great. We do appreciate that you did come here and didn't wear your Rockefeller chain so we wouldn't be jealous. When I went to your show at SOBs with Bleak and it gave you the chain, I came right in the next day and said, Maul, how did you let Graf get a rock chain before you? Graf has rocked.

Graph been down with Rock since. Man, Graff was that. That might have been, oh. At the end. I got there right at the end. Yeah. Right at the end. Like right before Jay and Dame.

actually broke up. I mean, like, literally like the week of the breakup. Yeah. Well, who signed you? Was it Dane? Dane brought me there. You brought me and Kanye there. Okay. So maybe it wasn't necessarily Cam being vice president. Graff was the reason why they broke up. After that. No, no. Dane just signed people

and I told him. Jay came back from Puerto Rico like, all right, Graf? Got a whole new roster. Yeah. No, Jay, J was cool with it. Yeah. Jay was fucking with it back then. But Dane and Chaz had a more relationship, right? Yeah. Dane was street guys. Dane was tapping with Chats. Shout out to Big Chaz. I'm missing, man.

Yeah, the rest of the seats, man. But, yeah, Dame and Chaz, I think I, did I know? I think we both met Dame together. But, yeah, that's how that really happened. I mean, because Dame actually wanted to do Chaz's life movie. Yeah. Okay. He wanted to do a movie on Chaz's Life.

I don't know, but I don't, but a lot of people want to do it. Denzel wanted to do the shit too. Yeah. Don Chito. Many people wanted to do Chaz's story. As a matter of fact, when Denzel did American Gangster and he chose Frank Lucas's life, before he chose that, he was trying to do Chaz's, Chaz's story.

Chad's story is even crazy than Frank Lucas shit fucking retarded I mean Chas lived 10,000 lives I'm telling you He's like the superhero of all gangses And he was such a

You know like because he had It was I think him and Biggs had The offices was right next to each other At the last One of the office spaces they had Black man I think the offices

was right next door And every time I used to see Chas Walking through the hallway I used to laugh I'm like Because obviously I know him And I know his story And I'm like yo

for somebody who has such a, you know, just an interesting, real life story like him, he walks so soft. Like, I was telling him, I was like, you don't even know he, you can't even hear him in the hallway. It's like, he just had this light walk to him. Real humble spirit, real humble soul, but a very serious and very, you know. Yeah, you feel the president when he's in the room. You feel it. Yeah. He's like he's quiet, but it's like as deadly as shit.

Yeah. But good guy, though. Yeah. With his reputation when he was managing you, do you think that helped or hurt when it came to like building politics? Both. Just Chas' reputation. Both.

It helped with the right people and it hurt with the, some of people who could have been the right people, but maybe they were the wrong people. Yeah. If you wanted to do a shady business deal or you wasn't coming correct or you had bad intentions, you definitely wasn't bringing that energy over here. It wasn't going to happen.

You know what I'm trying to say? So, but then the rep, a lot of these guys is in power, soft, you know what I'm saying? So they were scary and scared of us. For even when they didn't have to be. You know what I mean? Chad's cool. Yeah, absolutely.

He's not, he's not, you can't run in the room and just smack your head off. You got to violate, then you're going to get violated. You know what I'm saying? If you're doing good business, what was your intent? Like, why are you nervous? Right. You have bad attention to something? So it was kind of like that.

So it was like a double-edged sword. But I wouldn't change the thing, keep it on it. Yeah. I think the right people are supposed to be around me energetically or frequency-wise they here. And whoever was supposed to stay away, fuck on. You get out of here.

That's how that worked out. But it just took me longer to get here. You know what it is? Obviously, you've known bleak forever, but how did the situation come about of what you guys are doing now? That shit just happened out of that song.

That song changed a lot for me. And it's crazy because when people ask about the rock chain, I say, I just manifested this shit. I made a song called Rockefeller chain. And that's really when I clearly understood,

or words are really spells. Whatever you say, it will happen. You got to say what you want to happen. You got to be intentional about what the fuck you say. Because I told the story about the Rockefeller shit in that song, made the song, and boom, the chain popped out of the thing. You know what I'm saying? It was just a song at first.

Like I heard the beat. Now, I've been, 38th special made the beat. Shout out to 38. Shout out to 38. And I was sitting on the beat for Mad Long, but I was like an old school hove beat. Well, I'm going to go with this shit. I just channeled my hove on that.

And I went, I did like, what would, what would hope say on his beat if he rap? If Hove was Grave, what would he say on his beat? And that's really the energy I took to the record. So I just got in my Rockefeller shit because it felt like an old school old record. And then after I laid my first, I was like, oh, no, I had to send it to the homies.

I called Freeway. I call Bleak. I think I called Beans first. Oh, okay. And I don't, he was, I don't remember what happened. I didn't pick up the phone. So then I called the homies. And then I saw, after I called Free.

No, I called Free, Pedy. And then I magically saw Bleak that same week. I was like, this can't be real. Yeah. I was like, my nigga, I got a record for you. He was like, where sent it? And he just, he bodied it. He's crazy.

That shit just fell in line, bro. It was like the universe is like this needs to happen. Yeah. Because the alignment was crazy. That's a testament to you as a personal graph. Because like I said, you always been somebody that has been supportive of anybody that you fuck with and you rock with. You're somebody that has always supported, always showed up, pulled up. Yeah.

Anybody got a video shoot. Anybody got a bad. You see Graff at the battles. I'm like, this nigga Graf is every where he's not going to miss nothing. You know, it's funny. people say that and I feel like I miss anything. Nah, hell, no. I'm like, damn.

Hell, fucking, though. All the good stuff, I'd be like, damn, I ain't even thought that was happening. But that's the least why you missed it because you didn't know what's happening. But if you know something is happening, Graf is going to be that he's going to pull up the support. Because I'm actually having fun with this shit now, more. This shit is, like, the last decade sucked.

Like, when hip hop to me wasn't, the bars would, didn't matter in New York for a minute. Like, the nakers that was spinning, we weren't making the money. You know what I mean? That's what I mean, like, by the bars were in style. The radio wasn't supporting it. The streets always going to support the bars, of course. But it wasn't making the income.

So all the niggas were bars that had talent, raw talent for real. That you really want to hear spit was probably outside trapping because you're not making no money with rap in this city. You know what I'm trying to say? It just wasn't, you weren't getting enough traction to make the kind of money you need here because radio wasn't supporting it.

So the industry wasn't supporting it. It wasn't getting the deals. You weren't getting the sponsorships. You weren't getting support, period. You know what I'm saying? And I was for like a decade. I was like, this shit sucks. What year do you think it shifted back?

At least when I noticed it, around the time when Grisela started popping. Okay. That's when I think people were underground started to feel mainstream. Like underground niggins started to make thousands of dollars again. You know what I'm saying? So to me, like the whole underground is that's why I'm doing this. It's like, it's just good music, but it's now it's trendy. It became cool to listen underground around when they started to pop.

You know what I'm saying? It's interesting that you say Griselda. And COVID. Because they just had to listen. He's no more club. We talk about it often. If you go back to 2020 and just look at the albums that dropped that year. It's crazy.

That's one of the best years in rap. I think we had in a long time. But we got some incredible rap albums in 2020. But it's interesting you say Griselda because, you know, when Griselda started to bubble and really take off, obviously I was on to them earlier, a little earlier. But somebody like Rock Marcy was doing that and was making that. and had that sound,

was making that music long before. That's a fact. Grzelda. And, you know, rock has been somebody who has stayed in his lane. Love it. Has spoke to his audience, spoke to his core.

And, you know, I don't pocket watch by any means, but he's doing a lot better than a lot of artists. That's a fact. On major labels. And, you know, rock is somebody that has stayed true

to his sound, his fan base, who he is. So to me, you know, I attribute a lot of what Grzeld was able to do to what to what Rock never swayed away from. Like Rock stayed in that lane.

I think they got the sauce or the business acumen from what Rock was doing. Absolutely. Unfortunately for me, I think I just missed it. Like I saw what Rock was doing, but I didn't see what he was doing as a business man. I thought I caught on late.

I was late to the party with that shit. I was like, oh, that's what the fuck is going on. Right. I figured out how those deals destruction that was going on in this whole world around COVID. That's what I figured out.

I was like, oh shit, these deals, those record deals are structured differently. Yeah. It's not like the same mainstream. deals. Like, you could be a rock marsy, a west side gun, a graph, a stoveguard, and make more money

than a nigga that sign. That hell, you're platinum. That's what I'm saying? Way more brain. Because the way the deals are structured and the way the fans purchase music, they still buying vinyl, buying tapes, buying merch. These shows a soul off on the stage to the fucking door. Other niggas that sign that may have

radio spends, y' y'all only get in support when you have a record out. We're hot forever. We don't need an actual record. Some of these records, niggas hot as records don't have a fucking hook, just bars. You know what I'm saying? So it's a different world. And the business deals are structured to match that world. I just figured that

shit out kind of late. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because Griselda showed, even if they weren't the first to do it, that they had actual, like, valuable consumers that return. They're buying the show ticket. They're buying the shirt. They're buying the vinyl. And they'll also go explore the other people in this underground world.

Like, Westside, we'll even say, he's obviously not the best rapper in Griselda, but look at all the people you introduced us to in that underground world. Right. Because he built this community of people that also want to go research and find other artists like that. Right. So that's where I think Grisota really spread it spread that

entire movement. Even people that weren't on Grisota, you'd be like, oh, is he like, you know, was Bode signed it? No, no, they're just that from that world. The fans here care about the culture. They care about every aspect of it. I did two tours with Benny. Actually, as a matter of fact, I'm going overseas with Benny

again right now. In August, we're going doing Denmark with him in August and I got my own situations in London so we're torn again but I did Europe with him I think last year and we toured this country too you know what I'm saying

and every show sold out with hip hop fans they give a fuck about the culture I care about the culture dog I ain't on the front that's why it's fun for me now because this shit matters in a way that

the listeners want to hear it matter and it matters monetarily both sides of the scale I was always true to the art but when it wasn't making money I was in the street that wasn't fun Right, right.

And I was like, I'm happy to say I bowed out of that and I'm just rap. Yeah. And that shit is paying the bills. They're doing my family. It's much better. I mean, we having to be in London the same time Rock was performing, I forgot the name that festival. Do you remember what it was?

I wouldn't even, I'm not going to guess. But we were there at the same time so we went to go see the show. Right. I mean, how many people do you think were under that tent? I thought that shit was packed out. Thousands, right? I would say three to four thousand. Yeah.

It's amazing. You knew every fucking word that was coming out of rock. It's crazy. It's crazy. Rocked for a whole hour. That whole front row did not miss a single lyric. I was like, yeah. I love it.

Damn. And that's the only place so far to date career rides with me that I've experienced that. Like when I do shows overseas, they know every word. Even to records that you might not even think is lit like that. They might even mean your set. You've got to try it out here tonight. Every word. Yeah.

I'm like, they appreciate the bars. They appreciate the culture. And I appreciate them for that. Why do you think New York radio doesn't support the, bar spitters in New York? Why? It's a fucking great question. I don't know why, to be honest, because I still be trying to get my shit played up then. It don't work. I've been stopped chasing radio, though, because they don't get it. I don't understand why. And I always said this. I was like, I understand which I got to do to keep the lights on. Sell commercial space. I get it.

The radio is not designed for music. It is a business to sell ads. Yeah, you're going to do whatever it takes to keep people coming. But what the fuck makes you think that bars don't keep people coming as well? Right. You can have 90% of the shit y'all play and still, Squeeze in several hip hop. You can play a graph, a stove with all the fucking Benny record every now and then. Once a day,

it's not going to kill you. Right. And people would tune in because they give a fuck about it. We wouldn't be here shining this way if people didn't care about it. So it's like you're missing

a whole population of people that's not even going to turn on your fucking station because you're not playing what we actually want to hear. Everybody don't want to hear these records 24 hours a day. Slip in some dope shit.

Yeah. I mean... It should be a balance. This is New York, dog. For sure. I mean, I feel like Drewskiy at Hot 97 seven supports New York and plays rap shit.

I mean, obviously, Rosenberg has forever, but I mean, the slot that they put him on to play the bar shit is like Sunday nights. Right. Sunday nights and midnight. Like, why? But even like, he should be on the middle of the day. Like, why we can't get some bars in the daytime? Right.

Every other song, like, you're going to lose a bunch of listeners because you're playing hip hop. Like, you're bugging. Yeah. You bugging. I mean, do you think the person that is into bars is listening to the radio? At this point. No. Before.

No. Not because the shit that they want to hear is not there. But they would if y'all will play it. That's what I'm trying to say. You miss in the lost consumer base because you won't play this shit. They would tune in if they, every once in a while you was playing

some shit that we actually want to hear. In New York, I'm not saying I got to do this countrywide, but this is New York, though. What the fuck are we doing? Yeah. But to me that takes a, not a radio station,

but a DJ that you trust that will put you on to something new. Right. That's kind of missing, I feel as well. Like, there's no influencer type of DJ that I know this person is going to break a new record that I've never heard before. No.

And I mean, Remember that article that said the podcast fans are like the most intelligent fan base or whatever? I think that way about people that are into bars and I don't think those people are turning on the radio or wanting to list of commercials. They are plugging their phone up right to their car and don't really give a fuck. That's a fact. About listening to the radio to begin with. But I attribute, I mean, you know, because I've been outside for some years, there's a reason why I feel like the decline in New York rap is happening. I mean, if you look at these radio stations, the program and directors are.

probably not even from New York. Been like that. Just blame the Ebro, man. I was about to say that. You said the name for me. I'm not, I don't want to just put blame on Ebro, but I'm just saying like he was one of the guys that was programmed directed that wasn't from the city. Yeah. So it's like, you know.

I don't think he understood the culture of the city at the time when he was PD. That's my opinion. Okay. But he did his job. He had a job to do and he did it. I don't think he understood the Fivera was going on outside. And that's no disrespect to him. But you're not from here.

So that would explain why. you might not understand what's going on in Southside or in the Bronx or in the Brooklyn because you never even been to those areas for real or hung out there. You don't know the texture of the city because you're not from here. Yeah.

So it's not as far all the way. But to me, but to me there's even look at Summer Jam. It's the reason they had the downsides. They go from MetLife Stadium. Summer Jam used to be the concert that we all looked forward to. Yeah, but I mean, they also now have to compete

with so many other festivals and they're working off a local radio budget. Like, I give them some grace there. Nah, I don't blame it on budget. It ain't budget. I think it's happening because y'all missing all the people that we care about. Okay. All right.

I forgot the lineup this year, but last year's lineup, that was the most New York City lineup I think they've ever done. I don't remember. And I'm not here to defend Hot 97. I don't think I'm jail. I just feel for them now because it's, they're competing against I heart media is like their direct competitor that has prints money on fucking Canal Street.

Like, what can they really do? They can't get MetLife right now. now with how much radio has suffered with ad dollars? So what changed in terms of ad dollars? I mean, it was always Hot 97. It was always I-Hart. So what changed? No, Hot 97 was like MIS or some shit.

I'm talking about Power 105 and all that is the I-Hart conglomerate stuff. Right. Hot 97 is still like a local radio station. So is Power concerts bigger than the Hot 97 concerts? I mean, I think Powerhouse probably has. Yeah, better. Yeah. But then also, like, I'm sure they've tried to reach out to a bunch of artists,

but if that artist is getting a better offer with festivals that are sponsored by fucking Verizon, like, nah, sorry, High 97. I'm not flying to New York to break even. Yeah. So people are saying no to the concerts and that's what they're getting to Mala? Is that what's happening?

I just don't think High 97 can keep up with how much artists are making based off festivals and their own tours. They can't keep up with that fee. But a lot of artists, in my opinion, will still support and do the show if they were getting support at the station. That's a fair point. If you were playing the shit that we all want to hear,

they're going to show up. Because when you are booked on the bill, they play you. Yeah. So it's like, if we know we're going to do the show, if you had to do it for dirt cheap, but you're going to get support all year,

you're going to do the shit. Also, I have to ask, in that time you're talking about where hot was not supporting New York artists. Do we think New York artists were making great music at that time? At that time, certain New York artists.

Some of them were. but also a lot of dudes felt the need to compromise and try to get support because they couldn't get support for what they were actually making. So when they were staying true about, you weren't getting support. I've been in a club with other New York artists

and watch the DJ shout out the out of the out of town of dudes and you sitting there feeling like, what the fuck, we're here. Like we are from here, we're in the club. Like if I go to Miami or if I go to Atlanta or I go to Houston, I'm in New York niggas in a club, those DJs are going to make sure you know where the fuck you at. They're going to shout out their artists.

They're going to big them up. This is Houston, this is my, you're going to know where you're at. You're going to feel the energy and they're going to make sure of that. I feel like we lost our identity during that time. Like we were only supporting out of town. It's the only excited to break records that were popping in other towns. Why the fuck do you think those records are popping other towns? Because the DJs and the people broke the shit.

So you know about the records. They go running the york and play it because somebody, another DJ broke it in his town. You would do the same thing in your town, dog. Right. You could break a record that they get excited about playing somewhere else. we would do that. We were just running to whatever was shaking and not realizing why it's popping. It's pop because somebody stood on the shit and made sure it got heard. We lost that for a minute.

I believe that. I believe that. I actually used to frustrate me. I said, but I'm watching it. Watching it just running, yo, check this new record out. That's popping in Atlanta. Why is it popping in Atlanta? Because a DJ broke the shit. You could break near here too. Right. I mean, I think something that's never brought up during that time of New York. I don't think it was a lack of talented rappers. Never. It was a lack of talented producers. We had,

our sound was boombap, which radio had moved on from. Like, every now and then they'd catch a boombappy record that would be a single on radio. But that, everything went down to trap shit.

True. If we had five more hairy frauds, yeah, maybe New York would be in a different place. We don't have producers. That's, we have no sound anymore. You need to make good songs to go on the radio.

True. You can wrap your ass up, but if you don't have good producers. When you're not getting in support, then how do you gauge what's good? Like, yeah, amazing legacy producers. Here's a crazy question I always ask. What is it hit per se? Like, if I make a record that sounds like it could be a hit, but it doesn't get played and nobody ever hears it and it does no streams, is it a hit?

But if you play it a million times, the shit going to blow the fuck up, like the songs that blow up get supported. If they didn't get supported, like the records that we are trying to push, that's not bringing support in that decade, would it still be a hit? You need support. You need support to even know if the record works or not. Because all of that is just, again, programming.

Right. Without programming, how you know what the hit? Yeah, like, eventually I'm going to be like, I'm going to start tapping my foot to this shit. I'm going to know the words. So the thing about it, if the records that are getting programmed, don't get programmed,

is it still a hit? Right. The shit would have zero spins, you would be like, oh, this record flop, but it's really a hit and he gets supported. That's what we're going through. Right. So how the fuck do we even know

if the records are good or not? They don't get a chance to even be tested. Right. You just going with the program and playing what you think is going to work either because you got paid or whatever the reason is. Or the name. The names, all of that shit. But it's like, how do you know what the actual hit is? It's not a hit until it gets programmed.

So if we have all these records here that could be dope, maybe they're dope, maybe they're not. Who knows? We don't have a chance to even know if the hits or not because we're not getting support. Right. So the records that are popping are a part of the program. Right. They're not necessarily better records. They just promote it.

So it makes a lot of sense. I mean, we went through that. That even goes back to when everyone just started focusing on data outside of like A&Rs. That's another thing. But also when technology flipped for radio, they can see exactly when someone changes the channel on their radio. So if they try to sandwich a record between a hit and just to try something,

let's work. Let's just throw this record in here and see what it does. Most people that like radio, if they don't hear something they haven't heard already, they're going to go to the next station to find something that they've heard already. So they're, it's people that have no idea about the feeling of music. So they're just looking at the data. Oh, everyone turned the radio off when you tried that.

Right. Like, all, give it a chance. Yeah, but the radio. No, I'm just saying, but they all have a job to keep. Like they, I get it. At the end of the month, they have to show numbers. That's the fact. And they're not going to be there like fully understanding music.

They're there because they understand data. Exactly. It's true. We don't play that song. Yeah, but radio is weird. They're listening. They look at the title and the drop off. Radio is weird because you could.

I'm going to say a crazy thing to, to, to support that. What he's saying is 100% right. I was in a, my man is a data analyst, data analyst, right? So I was in a meeting one time where they just looking at numbers. And I didn't even say what artists was, but I remember they were in a meeting just looking at the numbers. And his numbers were crazy,

but the artist sucked. And I'm in a meeting and everybody looked at the number spikes of this particular artist. And it was like, look at these numbers, let's sign it and go with it. Somebody in the room says, did you hear what the music sound like? They laughed. Like, give us a fuck what it sounds like. Look at these numbers. So he's right. It was never about the sound. It was never about what's actually dope.

Because the culture doesn't really matter when you were looking at numbers. And he's right. It's always only about numbers. They laughed when somebody said, did you hear the record? They were like, hey the record. For what? Sign that shit. Put it out. Right. It was trash. I didn't go say what it was. But we all tried. They're popular now, but the shit was trash. I was like, oh, here we go. Got the numbers, though, dog. Yeah, but radio, I get it. I get it. This is why I don't, because I sometimes I find myself like, let me just hear what radio is doing. I didn't even know them to.

And you listen in, it's the same eight, nine artists in the hour, right? If it's not your record, you're featured on the record of the artists that's part of the eight, nine artists that they play in the hour. So I'm like, yo, damn, this record, damn, I don't want to, I'm tired of hearing this record. Let me turn to another station. Turn to the other station. Same record. The record that just went off on the station I just turned for.

I'm like, yo, bro, what is this game? That's the game, bro. That is being played. Like, this way. more music than these 14 records you're playing in the hour. Right. But it's the programming. They got to go with the numbers and who got the paper.

Who's paying to play? Those slots are already paid for. It's just been it. But who's to say another record wouldn't work in that slot? I can guarantee you. I can show you 10 records that are working that fucking slot. They're not going to get the latter day because the numbers in the programming ain't there. Yeah.

I mean, that's the game. I understand the game. That's what I said I was even blaming Ebro. I understand the game. But I'm saying that is a part of why New York City was like, you know, I would sound. Yeah. Because our playlist matched the Landis playlist at one time. And I was like, we're the fuck of the New York artist.

We're not even on the playlist in this city. I mean, listen, I feel like that happened far before we thought the fall of New York. Like, I love Big Boy in L.A. Remember that weird time when he was like syndicated on Hot 97 for a second? Right. So we can't, there's no one in New York. Yeah. It's weird.

I know. It's weird, bro. Legend, great. Nobody else. Right. We have to get somebody from L.A. who already has a show? That's crazy.

When you think about that, you see what I'm saying. And this was far before the New York dropped, but it was just small signs before that of like... But with that mentality, how could the artist like me not feel away? When I'm looking at this shit, I'm like, yo, we're here putting in pain.

Like, how could I not feel away watching this shit? It's fucking insane to me. It's insanity. I remember being in a club one night with a bunch of other artists from New York, who was relevant in this town, and the DJs were only shouting out of the out-of-town dudes.

I went to the booth for like, what the fuck? are you doing? Yeah. Like, we here. Let them niggas know we here. You bugging. This is New York.

We here every night. Nigger, this is New York City. Right. Like, they should know they're in New York. They're not in their hometown. I'm sure they came here expecting to feel the vibe in New York and they're not. They probably feel the day in their hometown. And that's the funny part.

A lot of them come here wanting to see what the New York sounded, what they're doing. Like when we go to other cities, we want to see what's going on. If I go to Atlanta, Miami, I want to see what shaking in your city. I appreciate the fact that the town will let me know where I'm at. I don't feel like, oh. I feel like, yeah, I'm in Miami. I'm in Atlanta. Y'all should be stunting and making sure we know where the fuck we are.

Right. I'm appreciating your sound. I'm like, oh, that record is popping. Oh, some right there. Who's son? I'm let me Google son. Let me Shazam. I'm not, I bet I appreciate this shit because this is not my town.

I want to be hip to what's going on. I want to go there and see what's going on. In my town. Right. And I appreciate the culture in that way. So it's like to see we were that law. We were lost for a long time. This is like a decade.

I'm like, bro, this sucks. Yeah. It's like, you know, I'm thinking about all the records, all the artists that pop from New York. They didn't pop in New York. From the Frenchers to Nicky to all the people that pop to our biggest stars, had to leave. Yeah. They had to leave New York to get it popping in New York. French started making a whole different type of sound.

Fritz was like, he ain't looked back. Bro. Do you have a choice? Nah. Being from here, he wasn't getting a support. He wasn't getting a support. That's sad. Our biggest stars had to leave New York to get popping in New York.

What the fuck? What are we doing? To make New York pay attention. You have to get pop up at some else. He'd be like, oh, his record is popping in Atlanta. He's playing in New York now. You know, New York, da, da. The New York wouldn't support him.

You want to play him because he's from here, but you want to play him because he's shaking in Atlanta now. Right. What the fuck? What the entire fuck is going on here? Yeah, it's crazy. Come on, bro. French didn't go back to, speaking of Harry Fraudgan,

like back to more of his New York sound until after he popped with another sound. And he popped in another state. Yeah. And then New York was like, oh, let's support him now because he's popping in Atlanta. Come on, bro. Y'all could have did that right here. Yeah. I could have broke that record right here.

But he had to live. leave and get a shaking some wells for you to support him here. Yeah. Come on. I always tell a story. I was in, um, I was in Cincinnati. I was the worst time in hip hop, man. Oh yeah.

One of the nastiest times. I was in Sin City the night that future brought to Tony Montana to New York. Nobody knew the song. Right. It was just this tall dude with, with dreads jumping up and down. You know how Sin City was set up. He jumping up and down. And me and my boy was sitting there was like, oh, this must be his record.

No, we nobody knew this Tony Montana record. Mm. But it was catchy. Right. So we're like, okay, that got to be his record. So funny how shit works. We leave in Sin City. We're in the car.

So we're like, yo, let's go to the diner and get something to eat. So when we order food, we're like, let me get that turkey bacon. Tony Mountain. Like, that was the thing the rest of the night. And I'm like, that's how it works, though. Like, you hear a record. A good one. You see a guy that's like, obviously energetic, this is his shit.

And then now, like, we're making a joke. But it's like, you, that shit was catchy. And then, like, I think maybe a month later, I think, I think Drake remixed it. I think Drake right. I think it was Drake. I think Drake had a Tony Montana verse. I think so.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And after that, it was out of butt. Atlanta artists in one of the most prominent strip clubs in New York City in the Bronx brings his record there. DJ plays his record. No, we didn't know this record. First time I've ever heard that song. Two months later, I mean, now that artist is future.

And I bet you that record was shaking away from first. Oh, it was definitely. We were excited. We were excited to play out of Tonner's records here. We weren't excited to play our own niggins though. Yeah. We were excited. He probably came and was like, yeah, bring him in.

We can't wait to support you. Yeah. But you don't have that energy for your own people here. It's nasty. What the fuck. Yeah, it's nasty. I mean, outside of just region stuff, but bar stuff, I haven't listened to the radio since the Clips album came out.

But does the clips album play on radio? I haven't listened to radio. They're playing the single. They're playing the one with Kendrick going to desk. If it's not in rotation, it's definitely a mixture, mix your rotation. Yeah, I'm not sure. Play that shit.

It's dope. It's culture. Yeah, no. The album is, and we was talking about that. You think that's a Kendrick thing? Or it's like Ace Trumpets playing when they first, I think that was the first single, right? I mean, it's always the clips produced by Farrell. It's going to get some support.

It's like, but it's dope and it's culture. So I'm saying play that shit for that reason. Yeah. But it's the Clips and Farrell. You're not like, Kendrick or not. You got to play that year. I was going to bring up the Farrell part because obviously clips is bars, but the separation between.

and everything on that is for real. Yeah, fucking for real. That's, but it's, that's culture, though. Even though he's a hit-making-ass dude, that's still hip-hop culture. Absolutely. So I'm like, support that. Even though it's, you're going to support it anyway. But it's like, yeah, I'm happy to see that happening.

What did you think about the album, the clip's album? That the shit was dope. I keep it with a buck. I think it's dope. It sounded like what I expected it to sound like. It's dope. They're singing about bricks and shit. And it was dope that malice found a way to balance that shit.

Yeah. That was fire. I appreciate it. I was like, yo, he freaked that. I mean, a lot of people feel like... His first on POV, I think it's one of the best versions of the year so far. Which one? Which one is that?

Malice. When he said I was the only one that made it out free. Like, he just pretty much goes through that whole... He killed that. His whole last 10 years. I'm jacking that whole shit. Yeah. His verse on Fico is crazy.

Yeah. Yeah, I was jacking that too. He caught a couple bodies on there. Yeah. I mean, this little things on lines where people are saying, like, he might have outperform a word? Yeah, I've been seeing a few people say that. But I mean, push would even say...

Back in the day in the early clip shit, like, Malice was, he had bars. He turned everything around, like, it was always malice, and we always fucked with push. But Malice,

I remember being like the one one. Yeah. Then when Push went solo, it was like, oh shit, never mind, push. Right.

You know what's funny? I always like Push Malice. That's just my particular. I always prefer push his voice over Malice. Yeah, I like, I like, but Madas got bars,

though. They both dope. Yeah. That's just my taste. I just like the way the nigga. I like the way that when they both perform, I like how Push through his shit. I was like, I liked some right there.

Before I even knew who it was like that, from the beginning, grinding and all that the way he do with shit, I was like, I just resonated more with the way he's delivered his bars button. Niggas is nasty. Yeah. I like the whole project. Whole shit. It's on my gym rotation.

Once you make it to my gym playlist, you are right, my nigga. That's your test break. Yeah, you made it. You platinum and a hood. Take my shirt off playlist. Yeah. To take your shirt off playlist. Your shirt off to the clip is crazy.

I don't want to know your ticket on playlist, right? I don't want to know what you're not doing that. We're not doing that. Maul, you were saying off mic, you feel like some of the people online are lying about their love for the clips. But we, because we've seen it before. Like, a lot of things online, you know, you have this coach online where people wait to see what other people think first. Yeah. And then they'll jump in on whatever seems to be the more popular.

Right. Even though they haven't heard the album, they haven't seen the movie, they haven't watched the show. Like, there's a culture of people that do that. With the clips album in particular, you know, I like to watch people's reactions and things that they're saying. But this is funny because a lot of people that I'm seeing love the album, which I think the album is dope. Just a year ago, maybe the same type of sound and bars and music, you know, a lot of these people were not supporting. And they didn't like it. They're like, oh, no, that's trash.

Nobody wanted to hear that shit. Right. the clips stayed true to their formula they don't change who they are their content pretty much they always gave us high level slick talk right you know what I'm saying and they never they didn't sway away from that on this project at all so to see people supporting that now when you know a lot of artists that you know talk the way the clips talk have been doing it for years and they don't support it they like nobody want to hear that shit I'm just like but why do y'all support this, but then guys that have been doing this, maybe not to this exact level,

because obviously everybody doesn't have a Farrell in their back pocket like that. But the content and the energy and the aesthetic was still that. Right. Y'all don't support that. But because y'all see the outporn support for the clips, which they deserve it on this project, now it's like, oh, yeah, nah, this is what we need. This is culture. This is.

And I'm like, but it's dudes that been doing this type of shit that y'all don't. Support. That's the only thing that I don't like. It's like, don't wait for somebody to tell you what's dope. If you like it, like it. If you don't like it. Like you said, some of them are probably just capping the gas in it because now the quote unquote underground, which I'm a place that word of culture. The culture is trendy. It's cool to say, oh, that's dope to be attached to anything that's culture or bars or hip hop. Now it's cool to do that. Now before it wasn't, before I want to hear that shit. that lyrical mirror. I don't want to hear that. Now it's cool to act like you're down with culture. Right. So that's a part of that whole thing I was talking about earlier. Like it is literally, you see even like pop stars or rich motherfucklers or people that's not in tune at all rushing to be attached to culture at this point.

Of course. Because now it's trendy to be attached to culture. And what quote unquote, saint underground before is now, in my opinion, more mainstream. Because the stars align and actual superstars are rushing to be next to this shit. You know what I'm trying to say? It's like the era like if Chad's live now You would see the most pop-y-est pop star Trying to stay next to negative flick

Yeah It's definitely Is that we in that kind of climate Like oh yeah Are the gangster in real real culture Yeah Get Justin Thiebo and flick with Chad Yeah

Yeah Is that type of time We're on that type of time right now That's the culture we're in But I'm all for it Because I'm making more money in this shit I'm like ahead Praise this shit

Go ahead I ain't mad I mean but guys like you You've been You've seen it up, down You've seen all types of changes You've seen artists come and go so I'm sure for you now you're seeing it like okay like now they finally coming around I appreciate it now I'm like yeah y'all should be listening to this y'all should appreciate it so whatever got y'all here I'm just glad you're welcome you're in the party I'm glad stay for a while right stay right enjoy yourself take your shoes off yeah chill glad you're glad you're here yeah like I'm as glad I'm as a current now yeah that's what I said now it's actually fun like like how you said before it mattered I'm sure bars mattered before somewhere I just didn't I just didn't I

I didn't get the invite to that the balls matter party. Now I see it. I can feel the difference. I'm like, oh, I niggas give a fuck about this shit now. I want to hear this again. I've been at events where a DJ but play some hip-hop shit. And I hear, like, people that you would think are down with this shit. But, man, turn that shit.

Like, under their voice, I'd be like, you're a rapper, sir. Yeah. But you would want to hear this shit. Yeah. And I'd be like, man, turn that shit. Nobody wanted to hear that. I'm like, really? I want to hear this shit.

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Because you somebody that's had your fair share of bars directed at other artists and emcees and had your battles and things like that. You were shooting at everybody one way. No, graphic. Yeah, yeah. Switch. Switch is on. Look where he was aiming.

Yeah. Anyone that was around? You've had your fair share of those moments. What do you feel about the whole joining Luke your skepta USA versus the UK energy that's I'm glad you asked me that. I love what Joina is doing because he's nice and I don't think niggas can fuck with him lyrically. That's my nigga too. Shout out to Joyner.

Actually, my last tour was with Joyner. Shout out to Joyner. And my next single got him on it too, by the way. Oh, far. Shout out to joiner. But one, I want to keep it a perspective. I want the battle to stay U.K. I mean, stay Joyner versus Skepta.

This is not U.S. versus UK. And I'm glad we talked about this. I was actually going to make a video about this shit on my page and I don't have to. Jordan is a lyrical beast He's gonna he gonna try to shoot at whoever He's wet he with the smoke He could wrap his ass off Yeah, he's with it, you know what I'm saying

And Skepta apparently is with it too Which is good for the culture I just don't want to hear that UK versus US shit Because it's not that shit Like Isn't how it started? I don't know how it actually started Because I didn't pay attention all the way

But I did somebody told me that Skepta said he skeptic said it off It says a shit about UK versus US right Well this is my question to him I don't know if he realizes that if Scepter does a show in New York City is going to be sold out. New York City fucks with you, dog.

What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, but it wasn't a negative thing. It wasn't like a- Why even introduce that energy when we fuck with you? Yeah. Like, it's not like back in the days where the UK was fighting

for the support or the respect that they feel they weren't getting. Our niggas is representing the culture. You're spitting bars. We enjoy which our niggas is doing. Yeah, welcome. We felt me and gigs made a bang on on 38 special album.

Everybody loves this shit. Like, if gig does a show in New York, it sold out. Skepter comes here. Sold out. And any of the top dudes, they're not even top. Anybody that's rep in the culture, right, come here and do a show. You're supported.

We support it. We love what you're doing. What the fuck are you talking about? Why even introduce that energy when it doesn't exist? We fuck with y'all. I think it was just for sport. But I did love what gig said, though. I love what gig said.

He put in perspective like, you know, no disrespect, but guys like Skepter, if it's going to be a UK-U-S-thing, somebody like Skeptor isn't the one because skept is more grind. Right, right. But when you got guys like pot of paper, and Ramsey and Chip and, you know, you got guys Jay Huss, guys that could really, you know, really rap. They'll tell you immediately like, yo, we get what we do from those guys from the U.S. Like we watch that culture, we supported that culture, we've studied it.

The reason we do what we do and why we do what we do is because of those guys in the U.S. So they'll let you know, like we're not even. And they would rather collab with niggins like us. Oh, absolutely. But I like it because people from here who make. not know about a lot of those guys. That's really dope in the UK. To me, something like this sets the stage in the platform for people to just get an air

onto those guys that are like, oh shit, they rapping like that over there. Like, yeah, I know that because you know, I got one of my close friends in the National FERC. He's really tapped in and he puts me on. He'll just send me songs. And I'm like, yo, who is this dude? He's like, yo, he's like the Jay Cole over there. He's like the... So I'm listening to these dudes

with a different ear. So I know the guys that are over there, but gigs put it in perspective. Like, you won't have, for lack of better terms, you won't have a guy that's Haifie, make the hyphy sound trying to battle an MC. Right. That's not what, it's not even, it's a totally different thing. It's a totally different part of the culture, respect to what they do.

But they can't try to set a stage for that type of battle because that's not the type of shit that they do. So I thought what Giggs did the video that Giggs, shout out to my guy, my brother, Giggs. I love that. He put out a dope video just addressing it and just putting it in the, perspective, but I did like the energy of, you know, skeptic, like, yo, I'll rap. Like, anytime an artist does that. I'm not mad at the energy at all.

That's the one thing I want to say. I like when niggas are with the smoke, because I was always with smoke my own fucking career. But maybe because I'm a street dude, I look at shit a certain kind of way. When you talk about hip-hop battling in this coast versus that coast or this country versus that coast, I always take it to the street because it can easily go there. Yeah, yeah. If I look at the bigger picture, because I have to because the way I'm moving the way I think. I don't think like it's just boss.

It's not because if I battle you, I'm not a good sport, nigga. I don't know how to play by the rules sometimes. You might, you might say the wrong thing to me. I know I see you a person. If I feel the way, I'm going to let you know that. You know what I'm saying? I don't know how to abide by the rule. That's why I never did battle rap on the big stages because I can't watch you talk on my face crazy.

I'm just not doing for that. I wasn't blessed with that. Yeah, you're going to fuck the whole battle up. God didn't bless me with that kind of patience and tolerance for the artists don't know how to do that. But I commend the niggas that do. I'm not even questioning they gangsters at all. I'm just saying, I don't know how to do that. Right, right.

I'm probably getting my feelings and rock your fucking jaw on and that. That shit going to be off, on hit. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how to do that. I'm not sure enough yet. Give me some time of growing or that. Yeah. In some of your back and forth, in some of your back and forths, did you ever feel that way?

Always. Like, when I'm talking shit, I'm always ready to fight because I don't know how to do it the other way. Okay. So that's why I think this way. When I hear a UK, I'm like, nah, I race that. It's not UK versus y'all. because when I go with this love, I'm going to collaborate with niggas and cook up.

You know what I'm going to say? Now, if somebody called me out directly, it's going to be me versus you, nigga. It's the same thing when I watched Drake versus Kendrick. I was like, Kendrick outsmarted you by making it Drake versus Callie. You didn't see that? Chess move?

I was like, I was trying to like, oh, bro, you just a check. You got to check that chest move. But like, I love Cali, but let me keep this battle right here. He outsmarted you with that one checkmate. He put you versus a coast instead of you versus another artist. You missed that. But that was a small play That was a checkmate to me

It's like you gotta watch those things And keep it in perspective It was supposed to be Drake versus Kendrick It became Drake versus Callie You fucked up and allowed that to happen So I like what Giggs did Because Giggs as an MC is like, nah Giggs ain't jumping out there saying

I'm testing the U.S. If he was gonna go at somebody He's probably gonna call that person out and go with that person Because she could get messy In my opinion Especially I ain't the only thing like this Oh definitely definitely

I think gigs thinks that way. Yeah, 100%. He'd be over here. Gigs are probably over here now. He's definitely downtown right now. That's what I'm saying. He ain't thinking about battling the whole state. Like, you're like, I'm collaborating with niggas out here.

I'm living in the U.S. Yeah, he basically live here. So it's like that ain't the mentality that we need to be promoting at this point of our careers. It should be collaboration. It should be touring because a tour with joining and skepta is going to do way more effectiveness than a battle. But I'm enjoying a battle. But imagine if they were like, yo, I want to collaborate with niggas in the UK.

Let's do a UK-US tour. We're going to make more money doing that shit and connecting. But I do like, I'm old with the smoke, so I'm a fan of that. But keep it like that. Don't make it U.S. versus, nah, then U.S. versus UK. Because we ain't mad at you, niggas. Right. At all.

Yeah, I get that. I get that. We're supportive. Yeah, I mean, I think it's going to end with them doing a record together. I mean, probably. It's going to end with a class. In my opinion. Because I don't, if it doesn't get to a certain level of disrespect, then it can.

It's really light, right. now. Nobody to me said anything crazy. It's just a bar. But when it stays like that, that's amazing. I have to learn that skill. I don't got that shit. I wasn't born with that. I'm a disrespectful nigger. So I'm like, I watch how I approach certain situations. I know where I'm a goal.

What's a bar that was directed at you that pissed you off the most in your entire career? The most. Damn, I don't know. Yeah, I want to know. I don't think I approached anything that pissed me off that much yet. I didn't get there. Because yeah, I would have heard about the fight that happened after. I'm not mature enough yet. I'm

growing I'm getting there. There was nobody. Nobody said nothing that you was like, yo. It was a couple, but nothing that got me mad enough to want to get physical. It was like, it kept, it was rap. It was a rap. And what was going that was the closest to that line? Or that just was like kind of pissed you off a little bit like,

all right, I ain't like that one. Or looking back, which one did you hear? And you was like, you ain't like it. But then, that was clever, though. That was slick. It wasn't that many. That bothered me on that level. I swear to God.

But what was one that was like, okay, that was fly? When me and Joe Button had our Tiff early in the rap shit, I was, I would have definitely got physical at that time, you know what I'm saying? But it didn't go there. Literally, it didn't get disrespectful. It was just little jabs here and there. Even like, even earlier in my career with me in 50, it was never a disses. It was just, I got a smart ass mouth.

He says crazy shit, but neither one of us ever got disrespectful. That's why we're all friends. You know what I'm going to say? It's like everybody's all cool. It never got to a level of, oh shit, I'm in the, I'm in a, I'm in a, I'm punching the air. Like, nah, it never, it never got to those levels with, with nobody for real, which I'm, I'm grateful for. Yeah, yeah. From the outside of my career, I could build with all these niggas.

I thought the 50 and graph beat, outside looking in, I thought that was like, going to go further. It could have, but it never got disrespectful because it wasn't about me. It was really, 50 had an issue with Chad. Yeah, yeah. He never said, and I said a bunch of smart shit with his name in it, but I never was disrespectful. It was just lyrical. He probably was like, okay, that was witty. He probably listened to be like, I don't like it.

But I'm not mad because it's not disrespectful. It's just witty shit. I was always saying witty shit with his name in it. But it was never like a disrespectful this. You know what I'm trying to say? It's always like. It's a fine line of hip hop. Yeah, it's like it's witty.

That 50 loves to cross. Exactly. But think about it, we all know each other personality. You know when a person is just fucking around and you know when they're being disrespectful. Absolutely. I know my personality. It's like I know your personality. It's like I know your personality.

Right. We, none of us ever crossed the line and went to the disrespectful part. Because I'm the disrespectful nigger. Right. If I'm just using your name in a witty way, you might not like it, but you still be like, all right, it's cool. But he can't go there. You know what I'm saying?

You still respect the fact that I didn't go there all the time. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't go there with your name, but I go there on a regular basis. Right. So that's how I look at shit. If you say it in a way and it's like, all right, that was some rap shit. Cool. We'll keep it here.

Then you don't feel no way for real. It doesn't feel like a street thing because it can, any of these battles can go street. You look at even Joey badass and, um, and, um, and, um, Ray Vaughn. It stayed on wax and I was great and it was disrespectful as fuck. But it still didn't go past the rap disrespect. Yeah. It didn't go like to fuck your mother. It didn't get, it didn't get to that level.

And I appreciate that. I like when they can stay on wax. Yeah. I'm going to learn that shit, man. I know you're not. Greg ain't going to learn that shit. You ain't learning it, man. But I'm going to practice, man.

I'm just patience is virtue. I'm getting it. Speaking of 50, we have like this segment. Was JD two weeks ago last week? Two weeks ago. We started the like this or that type segment. We did with JD. And we want to do the Queens edition today with you.

Okay. Where you have to decide some things here. One can stay and one has to be going forever. It was written Nause or the War Report component. One forever. One has to go forever. Can only keep one. No, we can't do that.

Go the next one. that whole question gotta be going forever we're not doing that he tripping yeah one gotta be going forever it was written was a part of the reason

I even started rapping now this is my favorite rapper ever so I would have to go with that just based on the fact that I wouldn't even be on his couch without I'matic and it was written right

that ass like when I first saw it was written I pulled over my car like what is this shit yeah I heard the message I was like what the fuck is this shit

yeah I pulled over I was driving down Jamaica Avenue at night going to my crib I pulled over it was like This shit is amazing. Yeah.

So that's the impact that music had on me. And it made me want to keep to pursue rap in a real way. I was going to school to be like a doctor, some shit trying to my mother proud. And then I started getting to this hip hop gang's and shit. And I was like, all right, this is for me. It was written, ruin your life. Ruined me. Sorry, mom.

Well, I guess the answer is, uh, peace Capone and Norris. No, we can't. No, we can't do that. No, we can't. I feel like the war report could get you in some more trouble than it was written. Yeah, but that's so classic. Yeah. But it's just, it's just that had an impact on.

me too. Yeah. Just not like what Nause did. But, no, we can't. We need both of those. Can't do that. Yeah, we definitely need both of those. Can't do that.

Yeah. These questions, just take us phone away. Fast, ma'all. Move quick. Swift. Your next single, and again, keep in mind that time does not really exist in this whole theory of this or that. All right. This has to be your next single.

Prodigy keep it thorough or Simon says very much. That's a good one. Damn. Well, see, Prodigy is in my top five, which I do have a top six with Prodigies in there. Keep It Thore was one of my favorite records ever. And fucking that Faroni shit is retarded. Your next single? I'm going to have to go with Priddy to Keep It Thoreau.

That's just, I'm a Queens nigga. That's just, that's just, that's just, that's probably, that's rough. That's rough. 30 games. But I'll go with Keep It Thore as your next single? That's my, that's my favorite. That's one of my favorite records. I wrapped on a beat 90 billion times.

I think every rapper has probably rapped on that. That's one of my favorite records ever. So you're doing this unfair shit, man. I mean, this man has to be stopped. This is Queens, though. This is Queens history. This man has to be stopped. Yeah.

I think I'm going to go with Simon Says, though, because I feel like Farramontch is probably still eating off sinks with-simon. Simon Says is so crazy. That should be in commercials. Diamond Says is so nuts. I'm taking the back-end royalties on Simon says. Get the fuck off. Yeah, yeah.

But I'm just going off like, I ain't going to lie. Keep It Thore was one of my favorite records. Ever. Yeah. It's probably. Simon Says up there, too, don't get a confused. It's top five Alchemus B-2. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like one of my favorite records ever, bro. Yeah. When I first heard that shit, I was like, my nigga, what does he be thinking about? What do you smoke when you? I was so, one of my dope and sipped-by moments, not to throw you off your shit.

One of my dopeestep-by moments, simple as it sounds. I did a freestyle on, um, what's it, I think it was hell on earth. No, no, or was it a shook ones. One of them, one of them classic mob deep beats. I did a long freestyle on the shit.

And I was like, yo, I call P. I just want you to make a cameo in a video. I was just shooting a freestyle video. Dolo. He's like, I had bad where you at? I was in a park in Queens. He pulled up Dolo and was just me and him on a park bench just chilling in the scene of a video. I thought that was the most amazing shit ever. I was like, it's me and prodigy on a park bench in Queens in the hood. It don't get more clean than that. Like if I got a bear or some shit, I was like, this is amazing. I have a great life. Yeah. Imagine you just mind your business going to the park, play ball or whatever.

And me and prodigy just chilling. Prodigy and grass. Like, bro, it was a, I'm like, I'm just looking at him like, yeah, you're really, yeah, he just bowed dolo. We just bowed on the fucking park bench and Queens.

If you was ever blessed to just meet him and kick it with him, that's him all the way. I'm telling you. He pulled up Dolo. We literally dolo on a park bench in the hood in Queens. Just one cameraman is too dark to even get the right amount of light in. It's the way of his head. It's fucking amazing.

Like, life is great. Yeah. Did you back? Did you read his book? Nah, but I need to. You read it?

Yeah, I read it. And I would actually suggest doing the audio book because P is, do is it's his voice so yeah it just makes the shit way better but that's fine i'm have to check that out it's one of the best reads ever that's amazing i did not even notice but it's funny you bring that because in the book there's like a whole chapter of just having like begging peter stop hanging out in the hood like birds stop it like though you go there every day we have money yeah stop leaving long our crib in long island to go to queensbridge like bro he pulled he pulled

i was in the hood he pulled love he's where you at i was told him why he pulled up we in the hood on a park bench that's park bench with Pete I'm like come on my nigga that's crazy that was amazing but I mean his whole family

Queen's royalty yeah but I just enjoyed that moment so much I was like wow I should be released that's fire that's dope yeah

make an album produced by Havoc or Q-tip so yeah yeah picking my faves again this is hard this is this is crazy shit I gotta go with Hav because of influence

but Q-tip is gonna give me a bag. But toes have, though. But for what I became and my influences is going to be half for that. All right. I had another stipulation of this.

They also can feature as rappers on this joint project. Q-Tick is going to take me around the world with this guy. This guy's not fair. He has to be stopped, he has to be stopped. Yeah, Q-Tich-goe

had you in the day party in Ibiza. In Ibiza. Yeah. It's like, shit. Have my two, though. Don't get it twisted. He might find one. I mean, I mean, You'll be like, yo, what is this? I made records but have.

Half is on the project that I did with a, I had released a collaborative project with Benny, BSF, and my company, Team Bang, Dope Gang, stop calling art content. Half is on that joint. And half is on the last project I got dropped. He produced a record on there. So I already know what I'm going to get from half.

It's going to be great. I never work with Q-Tib before. But I know I'm probably going to be on the coast of Spain somewhere. He's on these records. One million percent. And the album may never come out because Q-Tib is going to work on it for the next 30 years. But when it does, though.

Half will bounce some shit and be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's hilarious. But based on, is my influences, it's probably going to be half if I keep it a buck. Yeah. Word. You can put a verse on DJ Clue, the professional album, or Who Kid, 50 Cent as the Future. That's a good one, too. Damn.

Hmm. What was the question? Graff can put a verse on the professional, DJ Clue's first actual album. Mm-hmm. Or Who Kid 50 Cent as the Future? That's kind of good. each you on one of them. It's got to be thinking.

I would have never thought them shit like that. Ah, shitballs. That's a tough one too. Professional with the Rockefeller project, right? Yeah. That's just like 30 times platinum now, I think. I might just go with that

just so I could just continue this Rockefeller shit that I got going on. Yeah, it ties in. Yeah, it just ties in. But, okay, that's the whole, that's my side of Queens too. That's the whole, that's Shadyville all the way to south side.

It's the whole shit. That's that whole side. North and South. Yeah. Jesus. You twisted my arm here, buddy. But I'll probably go with the clue because of what the fuck I created that. That's the only reason.

Yeah. Shout to Wookie. Yeah. Shout out to Wookie. I just seen a nigga recently. Yeah. It's the start of your career. You can sign a Steve Stout or Irv Gotti.

Shout out to Irv, man. Rest of the piece of my nigga, Irv. Absolutely. I did three records of Irv in my career. man shout out to irv um word i never worked the steve style before that's not shit and i mean probably the best brand partnership yeah i'm gonna get i'm gonna have cocapa behind me i'm gonna have pepsi i'm gonna have the brand partnership is gonna be out the ass with that shit well word like i'm gonna get like this mic gonna be sponsored by like i really knows that

with steve's doubt um damn i might have to go with steve for that for that shit that i haven't even tapped into yet career-wise. And I never had an opportunity to work with Steve before. I worked to Erv. Irv, my nigger. I worked to Earth. So I already know I'm going to get bangers. Irv is amazing the way you work. I learned a lot from Irv, too, in a little bit of time I worked to him. That ass. So I've experienced that. So I'm going to go with Steve because I never tapped into that side of shit. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. This is a random question just for the room in particular. Again, remember, time does not exist in this whole world. Would you rather see 50 cent signed to death row in 1996 but like 25 year old 50 like right when his

1096 with pocket all that who ooh that 50 signed to death row 96 or nicky signs to murder ink in 2001 oh shit now we'll go with the 50 with that one Nikki on murder ink you got if Nikki minage and jow rules to have some recanty just like yo Nikki in oh okay in oh 01. Because they were making more softer records. She was still doing hard shit then. I mean, their singles were that way,

but they were still. They were still making hard shit too. Ah, me think. But you put in 50, 50 already came out with the West Coast shit. He already came out with that type of energy, to be honest.

That's a part of his legacy too. For sure. He already went with that way. But less chaos. With him, with him, Whitpock, actually, like Whitpock? Yeah, I don't know.

the mentality had. I don't think we've ever seen ever seen no shit like that. He'd probably brought Pock to the hood. Yeah, of course. What? I mean, sure.

The Pock was in Queens all the time. Was stretch. Yeah. Pock would have brought 50 to Queens. You never been over here? I live here. I just think the mayhem that would insin. Imagine 50 cent and Shug.

That'd have been nuts. See it. That would have been crazy. That'd have been crazy. With his mentality then, yeah, that would have been. They would have been. the industry would have been fucked up.

Nikki with Murder Inc. I know how had that thought on my life. Did she even have records with them? Ashanti and all of that? Nah, right? She came way. I didn't even have that thought of my life. I'm just thinking of Nikki.

I think that would, there'd be a whole different story to Murder Inc. And did you, like, 50's not getting murder ink clean out of here that easy if you have Nikki carrying the flag in the midst of that entire thing. True.

But then Nikki would have making different records. I'm trying to, I'm trying to think. Yeah, because Irving them, you have Ashanti, have Jabro. I'm like, I'm trying to picture it in my head now. I don't know. I can't even, I'm thinking about the records they made and then put Nikki on it. And I'm like, I don't know if I wanted to hear that. Yeah.

I don't know. What do you think? I would want to. I could hear 50 in Pock, though. Oh, yeah, definitely. Because the alignment is there. Yeah. But I just, I think that Nikki with Irv and.

That would have been crazy. Because then Nick Irv would have catered to Nicky. So maybe they would have created some shit that I can't even imagine. Keep it running. I'm just going off what exists already. Yeah. You think about the energy with Pock and 50. That's what I'm thinking about.

The energy that they would have brought. Pock 50 and Shill would have been some other shit. The industry would have been fucked up like, lock the doors. You know what I mean? But I'm trying to think about what sound they would have created that murder ink with Nikki. I don't know.

I guess I can't imagine it clearly. I mean, I feel like even a lot of the young money. It would have been a different sound. It doesn't exist. It would have been different. Yeah. It would have been because the Young Money sound and the Irv sound is different.

The regular thing popped with. But I don't think because it's... She would have been a different artist by now, I think. It would have been something else. I don't even think Young Money sounds the same way without Murder Ink, though. Of course, it's completely different sounds. But that melodic shit, the Drake, Nikki, Anne Wayne all did was the proof came from Irving and Jai. Yeah, true.

Like you could have hard raps on a lot of shit. I feel like everybody got that formula, including 50 from Irvin Jive and Jaya. They invented that shit. Jai was doing... the quick four bar bridges job was the first artist i've been seen that was doing bridges in the middle of his verses yeah like that i was like what the fuck is this he was doing quick four bar bridges in the beginning in the middle he was like he had vamp out so it was like structured like rnb records but because of him and irv yeah so niki would have had all those elements too yeah oh damn

that's a good question shipballs i don't know i think i think artists for just for the art of it in the music i would want to hear nicky yeah yeah i guess so that'd have been something so we can go with nicky with that yeah yeah because that would have been she would have been yeah it would have been some whole other shit that i can't even imagine I imagine. Yeah. But I, fuck it. I'll take Nicky.

Yeah, we'll do that. Mall has had this segment came up with a same night, same city. I don't know if you had some in mind. I have a few written down for your same night, same city segment. Essentially, this is these shows are happening the exact same night in the exact same city, and you have to choose which one that you would go to. But me, no graph, somehow he would make it to both. Somehow this guy would be at both of the shows, and he'd be like, yo, how?

How was this happening? Okay, then I'll rework this one to Who do you think's going to have a better show? Same night, same city. All right. Queensbridge Reunion Show or a Southside reunion show. Oh, on, man. What's wrong with this guy?

What are we doing, Maul? How are we going to stop him? That's tough. That's tough. Oh, man. I mean, me, my first, my knee-jerk answer is Queensbridge. Yeah, right? Because you got nize.

You got. that's gonna be crazy Mega Marley Mar Shan yeah you still get CNN like

yeah you still get CNN yeah the Southside show is 50 you got lost boys you got onyx onics

shit I'm gonna be there fuck yeah she code I was like I was like that

because I'm gonna be that motherfucker like you know you would be at both you would find a way both shows will start at 9 p.m.

Sharp graphics gonna be at both shows and performing at both shows and performing at both And performing. How did he get here? I just saw him with Southside. Yeah, but not me.

20 minute drive. I'm going to do it. Skirt. Me being, you know, which one would you rather do security at? Oh, man. They both are going to be wild long. They both will be wild. Southside one.

It says that. Southside a little. Yeah. Queens Ridge is a little. Because I feel like as head of security, I feel like I could get the nize. I'm like, yo, come on, man. Like, calm the fellas down. The Southside show, you're not getting to nobody.

I don't know. Are we all. getting when all of Queens Ridge went to Central Park and ruined that nod, shut Central Park down? Yeah, but that's because somebody didn't get the nods first. It'd be like, yo, fam, come on. Talk to the guys, man. That's a good question, though. I'm going to have to be biased.

I'm going to Southside show, man. That's just me being biased though, keep it on it. Okay. Because I want to see both. And I'm going to make it to both. I'm going to make it to both. That's the fact. But I'm going to be biased on that just because I'm on that side already.

They had one earlier, right? Was it? Trob Cold Quest. Oh, Trob Call Quest. They're from the north side, but I guess they're, yeah, still. No, it's a new. Same night, same city. Trob Cold Quest.

Run DMC. Oh, that's classic as fuck. Prygo run DMC. Yeah. Yeah. I probably go all the way classical on these things. Yeah. Probably go all the way classical on these nags.

I don't think I've ever seen. I've never seen anything. I've never seen. I've never seen. Live with them. Any internet. On the internet. Oh, you've never seen Trot.

I only saw Tribe Live when they opened for the Yeezer show at the Garden. I never saw Tribe Live. I've seen Q-Tip do performances. I never got the opportunity to see it. Yeah, I've seen Q-Tip. I've been at clubs. He was DJing. Yeah, shit like that.

Just him doing, I've seen him in action doing shit. But I never seen them perform live now. Yeah. Yeah, they open. Run the MC, which is like, internet. That's it. Yeah.

They almost seem like, but that real, like. Yeah, exactly. That's my hip-hop. Like, yeah, like that happened like I've never seen them. I'm going to run on DMC on that one. Do you think? Russell will come back from Bali for that. Yeah.

No. With a mask on. Oh, now he might, I can see him doing that. With a mask on with a young nigga ski mask. I can see that. The Nike ski mask. I go, those Russ's eyes? Nah, it can't be.

That is crazy that that's what life has come to for him. When was the last time you think Rick talked to Russell? I feel like Rick is someone who probably has no idea that any of that controversy is happening. I didn't have real friends though. probably they probably stay i would think i would think they stay in touch yeah no i think they stay in i haven't met rick but i think they stay in i would think they stay in touch yeah i think so i think i'm sure they still they still speak for sure i don't know man yeah because that controversy is not gonna affect you if you real if you his real friend you're gonna talk about that shit yeah listen man

rick is not talking to that man you don't think so i don't know what y'all are bucking i think so not maybe not every day was even talking to him before all that shit bro well not not Not every day, but I think that they still have a relationship. I would think so. I would think so. Yeah, they still speak. Yeah, by the guess, I would think so, yeah. I don't know.

What do you think they talk about? No, it's life, man. I'm about, I'm glad I cut my mic off. Life, man. Talk about life, you know what I mean? Like how far we got. How far to flight to Bali is? How long did the flight to Bali?

We took hip-hip to Bali. It's from NYU to Bali. Yeah, yeah. We got deaf fan Bali. Def Jam Bali Def Jam Bali is on the way Def Jam Bali is hilarious Oh my gosh

Pete I don't know how much we're gonna keep Bolly's fucking straight Niggers is rapping in the yoga studio Oh my God But before we get out of here What do you want to plug advertise everything Single with Joyner coming?

Yes Single with joiners after the one I got to join out right now We'll Buster It's called juice Shout out to Buster We made some high energy legend fucking drill

UK sounds like some UK Jamaican drill should we just invented some shit that doesn't exist and it's out now and we shoot in the video Friday yeah I'm gonna get that

you know what I'm saying bus is like my brother man shout out the bus he's like my big brother man I know buses I was like 17 18 years old man when I first met bus I don't know none about the

fucking industry is fresh out the hood and I started work with him actually damn man dropped out of college to tour with him and work with him and we ended up having a fucking fist fight back then. You were Buster?

Yeah. I was like 18, 19 years old. I popped into the studio and like, without telling him he was talking to me crazy. I was like, step outside. Fuck it. And he stepped outside. We got it on. Wait, wait, wait. Wait. Hold on. That's what he happened. Pull this back. Yeah, wait. Too quick of a story.

It's really happened. Right, right. You got mad at something Buster said. Yeah, I got like that he was talking to me. I popped up. He got mad that it showed up. Oh, you just popped up at his session? Yeah, but he said because I didn't understand the industry rules and all this. I got it. fucking 18, 19, 19, I don't know nothing about nothing.

Yeah. He said you could call me whenever. I like, bad. So I did that. And he didn't pick up. So I was like, I ain't pick up. I'm just going to show up.

And he was like, what are you doing here? I was like, well, nigga, you said, I could pull up. He's like, yeah, but I didn't pick up.

If I didn't pick up, that means not today. Yeah, yeah. And I didn't understand that. I'm like, yeah. Niggoo, you ain't pick up. So I showed up.

Okay, that's fair. I get that. Yeah. Because I didn't understand industry shit at all. I'm straight in the hood. I don't know nothing around nothing. He was talking to me away.

I ain't like it. And I said, fuck, let's step outside. And he was like, all right. And we went outside and things were I left.

I swung, he swung, I tried to stab with a knife all this crazy shit. It was crazy. Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

He had more elements into the shit. He broke a bottle. He broke a bottle. You're trying to stab Buster rocks. And he broke a bottle. And the song is available now.

Yo, Graham is the sickest nigga ever. He said, yeah, touch the bus. The song available now. Right now. I flicked a knife. He broke a bottle. It was like a Jamaican fucking West Side story. Shit went left.

Jamaican West Side story. Shit went left. Yo, Graf is the most random. I'm telling you, yo. I'm telling you. All right. What was my big brother now? Where was the studio?

This was in the city. This was like, was it soundtracks? One of the fucking studios. All right. So y'all walked out to a Manhattan block. Yeah, yeah. Right outside. Yeah.

Let's get it on. Okay. first he came back this first he came up to he shot he shot to talk me off the left he was talking sensibly to me I didn't I couldn't register but you young and

I was just young ignorant I couldn't understand he like yo he said the first thing he said was you came in here with some street shit I'm trying to teach you some business shit

right and for some reason that sounded offensive to me I was like fuck god you can't teach me shit that's young yeah he was like I was just young ignorant

he was like nigga you came in some street shit I'm trying to teach you how to be a business man you coming with the wrong and for some reason I kept taking it like just hearing it wrong

yeah it just sounded offensive I'm like fuck you man You can't teach me nothing. Let's go outside. He was like, I'm fine, let's go outside then. So, I just went there. Once we're outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Was a square up or how did the physical altercation begin? It was like a square up. It was a square up. Or does somebody just stall someone first? I think I pushed him first and he swung. Then I swung. And then when he swung. So you're going too fast.

Did any of those land? Great. They both each other for real. Okay. And when he swung, I kind of like ducted and slipped. He thought he caught me. And then I got mad because he thought. called me then I hit the knife.

Yeah, we don't talk about that. We don't talk about when somebody feel like they caught you and dropped you. You're like, you ain't dropped. That's a whole other fight. He was, I just caught. Like, nigga, you ain't catch me. I was like, nah, I don't got to this knife. Time to go to the knife.

He's like, Nick, you got a knife? He broke a bottle? It was like, I didn't go left after that. Nobody died. He's still here. We made a song. We're alive. No, the songs available now.

We live. We live. We live. We lived through this. We made a talk about it. So once the bottle is broken and the knife is out. How did this situation diffuse? I don't remember that part.

I just know nobody got stabbed, which is great. That's amazing. Yeah. I'm so glad Graff and Buster didn't stab each other up on a Manhattan block. Me too. Like it works out. And something tells me Buster called you the next day and forgot any of that even happened. No, no, no.

We used to be for years after that. Yeah, yeah. Because he was like, he wanted to sign me, and he was like, just niggas of liability. You had a high head. You got a little. Yeah. But that's how fast shit happens. But I'm learning.

See? I went from that to like realizing certain battles I don't need to be in because I don't got the tough controls or anything. Yeah, yeah. I choose my battles wisely now. Yeah. I get it. And bust team, like, yeah, no, we want to sign graph.

He tried to stab me. When he tells the story and be like, this nigga back the knife for him. I'm like, nigga, you broke a bottle too. Yeah. He broke a bottle after this. I got to stab. I poked out of a knife and he was like, oh, shit. That nigga ran for you.

Yeah, but what's like? What choice did he have? He was getting that part. I mean, you tried to stab me back. And I'm like, only Buster could break a bottle perfectly and it perfectly. Perfect amount of spikes. You ever tried that? You ever try to break the whole shit break?

Like, I don't have nothing to stab nobody with. How do you break it so perfectly? It's like it's a point. He's making it. It worked out. Yo, that is fucking song available now. Song available now. Video, video shoot this Friday.

That's a fact. Yo, listen, man, life is beautiful. Life is beautiful. I guess we have to ask the same question. We ask everyone that has a relationship with Buster. Where do you rate him in the top five dappers of all time? A Buster shake your hand. He'll break your fucking hand, shoulder, elbow.

Yeah, Buster give you that real... With the mad diamond ring. Yeah, you gotta be... Cut your whole shit up. Yeah, you gotta be prepared to shake Buster hand. Buster actually ain't my top five. I mean, I need to have a top seven because I got a lot of my cadence and flows and delivery from Buss.

The way I construct records, a lot of actually came from Buzz. I took a lot of what I do from the way he constructs records, a lot of it. You said Proudage was in your top six. I made it. That was top seven. Fuck it. Because it's... I got Naz, J. Roy.

M. Jadikis, Prodigy, and Buster. All the niggas is in it. So my top five is the top seven. That's a very interesting top seven. Word. Like most things don't got Royce in their top five. Royce is my top five. I got Royce and M in my top five. They both, all the people influenced what I do.

I could see, now that you name that, I could kind of see. You could see all of my flow. Yeah, I can hear it. All the niggas is put them in a pot and on low sim. It's like, bam. Yeah. I can hear it. All their influences is in the music. I can hear that.

Prodigy. Prodigy lines are quite. It's recorded in my songs to the current day. You could play anyone and be like, oh, there's a Pottagy line. All in the music. Current day, still. Prodigy's just the guy. He was that guy.

Absolutely. When was the last time you talked to Shia LaBuff right before we get out of here? A couple months ago. Yeah. How's he doing? I don't know. I love that guy, though. I love that guy.

I was going, though. I love that guy. He was with the smoke. Put that thing in about it stage. He's with it. He raps till you get busy. Oh, no. We've seen the viral clip.

We've heard it. As a matter of fact, did you hear this song I did called 36 Chambers? I know what so. I called him to do the treatment. He wrote a crazy treatment for that record. I was like, that's how I ran in my mind. I was like, what would this video do? Like if Shy LaBuff directed it?

Yeah. And he wrote a crazy treatment. He had a crazy, he was just too busy to do it. Nuts. He's nuts. He's nuts. He's nuts. He typed it aloud to him.

He's like, grass and almost stabbuster rhymes. And he has a treatment for a song from Shia LaBuff. This nigger is the most random dude, but most necessary dude. in New York City. I'm telling you. Graff, thank you for coming through my brother. This is long overdue. Long overdue.

Always good to see you, my guy. Song, juice. What is it? Juice, yeah. Juice available now. Future in Buster rhymes and Buster's kidney that. I think you guys just reenact that scene for the video. You want me to write the treatment?

You just told us the treatment for what the video should be. You'll step outside. That's how to start. Step outside. Yeah. We could do that. I didn't have anything about that. And then I was breaking random shit in the street to find a graph.

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