New Rory & MAL - Checking In With Peter Rosenberg

Episode Date: July 31, 2025

Peter Rosenberg checks in with Rory and Mal to discuss Complex's Hip Hop Media rankings, Kanye West's fall from grace, and Peter's perspective on Hulk Hogan's death as an avid wrestling fan #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Our episodes where we have friends, family, guests in the building. Today we are joined by somebody who is probably long overdue conversation here today. somebody who in my in my perspective is a legend in radio he's a huge wrestling personality I think I'm a wrestling personality too if you ask me some stuff so I don't think to the degree of him well not to be not to the not to degree of this guy but a classic legendary New York radio personality radio DJ Peter Rosenberg claps everywhere it's live to your audience thank you yes morey ma'all thanks guys pistol Pete I'm gonna call you pistol Pete I've got it's been a minute but I'll take it you know it's been a minute

of somebody calling when did they stop yeah did they stop colie epistle Pete it comes up periodically you know what I'm saying young GZeezy to GZ you just had you got to drop the pistol I get it I got to clean up you know I don't do those things again

I'm in ESPN now yeah yeah yeah we got to drop that we got to drop that how you feeling oh man it's good to see you I feel great man I feel great well we've been talking for a minute about doing this yeah we already told me he was coming on and he was like yo you know Pete's coming I don't know if you, like, Roy, we thought that me and you had a thing.

And I was just like, yo, I don't have my issue with people. I think Mall's one of the very few people in hip hop media. I've never had any problems. Yeah, I'm going to yell out the window and somebody would have said, yeah, we have an issue. Yeah, like, fuck that guy. But I don't think of Ball ever, I don't think. Never, never, see, because sometimes my memory is bad with podcasting for 10 years. Sometimes I forget about the little tiffs that happened five years ago that some people hold on to and others are like, I don't even remember any of that.

Did we have one that you remember? It had something to do. when you gave Seif my number and his number for Seif to apologize and we were like, we cool. It was some back and forth on one. We didn't actually care. That was Seif and Maul and it was also nothing. It was nothing.

It was nothing at all. It was absolutely nothing. No, I'm proud to have that you guys be one show. I've never had any personal problems with whatsoever. Thank you. Now listen, I have, I'll tell you the truth, though. Mall has said some things. Clips have hit my timeline.

About you? No, no, no. Oh, okay. His takes that the aggressive part of. me at times, wants to retweet it and say something like flagrant. Why don't you, though? Because I want us to have this nice

relationship. But for somebody like you, I respected though. Because there's never coming from a malicious point. No, it would have just been wrapped up. Just related to Drake. That's it. That's it. But I like having that. I know you do. People like you, let's do it. Let's do it. I love that type of shit. I appreciate that. So I'll start doing it more from now on. I appreciate that. I think we had one

one TIF because of Drake and Kendrick. That just separated all of us. Oh, yeah. We did. You would I had a fight. It was the night that I guess Not Like Us came out. It was the night Not Like Us came out. I was celebrating. It was a dark and gloomy night. By the way, you want to

sense a part of the conversation now? That was a bad night. That was a bad night. Ironically, that's what I said in the tweet. Is that crazy though? That night, I literally know everything that happened in that night for me from like 7 p.m. I know where I had dinner. I remember

the moment I got it. I remember my initial impression. I remember you and I getting in the argument. Although, and after the argument, you did acknowledge you were drunk when we had this conversation. It was my birthday. Right.

You were drunk out of the country. I was in Mexico. It was my birthday. I had not looked. Of course, I listened to every record that came out, but I was not looking at the timelines reactions to anything. I opened my phone as we were leaving the bar.

And the only thing I saw was Peter Rosenberg says, what is the colonizer line? Yeah, I quoted the line. I said, you're a, you're a, you're a blank, you're not a blank, you're a colonizer. You're not a collier. And then I retweeted it and said, Pete, I think we should sit this line out. Okay.

And then Peter texted my phone. What fight was on that night? I thought Pete was fighting. So can I explain why? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this asshole is drinking, having a party, having a good time, sees one thing and reposted. Yeah. He's not thinking about the fact that, as you remember very well.

Yeah. The internet was so live at that point in time. Oh, those three, four days was. If you weighed in, if you wanted to see a tweet of yours get 3,000 retweets for the first time in your life. You could just quote something again. So his little line, when I went and checked my at replies, it's 900 people telling him like, yeah, Rory,

tell him to sit the fuck down. I'm like, my man, why are you? It was just a quote. No one had pointed out that I couldn't quote it. Why did I need you? Why don't need you? So anyways, it was nothing, but it was funny. And even because you know where I was at in Mexico,

if you're not in that house, you don't have service. And we were out the whole time. So when I caught like a bar, I opened Twitter and it was the only thing I saw. And I was like, well, that's funny if Peter, I said that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just retweeted it as a joke,

not realizing like the tension. Yes. Until I got back to Mexico City Air Force. And then he sees me just like, hey, fighting for your life. What the hell's going on? Pete fighting for his life in his message. I was like, don't.

put me near because that was the Vlad Knight too. Yeah. Oh, I caught that later too, the Vladite. Yeah, don't put me over there. Yeah, it's not that. That's not what this was. No. I was just quote, I literally just thought it was a good line. Yeah. And even though this wasn't the case, the next one app, you and Syke talked about it. And you both were like, oh, he was just trying to position himself to be one of the good whites and all that. Yeah, I did. And we did. We had already talked about it. And obviously that was not. It was really just a fucking joke. I thought it was funny. I was like, that's fine. I deserve

it. Go ahead on one up. Thank you. You know what? I appreciate you letting me have that one. Yeah. You know, but Rory's kind of like, in some ways, Rory is sort of like,

a bad white. A bad white. That's exactly what I was saying. No, you're sort of like one of, like a young in for me. Like Rory is sort of, I've known him since he was first on the,

on the come up and I've watched his whole thing. And you know what I'm saying? Like I was on the radio when you were practically a kid. Yeah. When you're like a teenager, I was on the box. You got on when I was probably 17. Something like that.

So, yeah, I had to give him a little pal-pow. You know what I mean? But no, it was hilarious. But that was an interesting time. But that whole moment, though, because you're on the radio side and we're on the podcasting side, it's similar, but a lot, it's still a lot that's different in those two worlds.

What was that moment, though, like on the radio side for DJs and personalities and programming directors, like that whole moment last year with Kendrick Drake, like, what were those buildings like on the radio side? I can only speak to out my weird one specific, most specific situation in the world of Hot 97. For us, it was, obviously, it was just great because we had content every day. Like, when you do a morning show every day, I'd say we talk around out of our four hours show, we probably talk like 90 minutes, two hours a day, right? Every day.

So like when you just have something to do, it's fantastic. And it relates to music. and the thing that we have that most podcasts don't have is we could play the music. Right. So we could talk about it. Go run it back. Yeah.

Play it, come back. That's the superpower that you have. That is the superpower of radio. Unfortunately, when you post it, like, you can't have it anymore. But for those in the car, it makes for a really good listen. So that part, it was dope.

There was some separation in terms of like DJs who were like lining up one way or another. You know, some of the younger DJs you know, were like, who like really grew up. and Drake is like their absolute goat. You know, as we would joke, you know, like, my boy E. Stiles, like the cats who were like uptown at hookabars,

like they didn't want to hear no Kendrick refrat. Give us more Drake. Refresh. But like, Dominicans love Drake. That is a fact. Yeah. And by the way, I'm sure they're Dominicans that love Kendrick.

But uptown, I will say, drink is extremely popular. I'll sit this one out. Yeah, you know what? Maybe you should just this one. Yeah. Just shut you my way. I'm mad. I just got my new phone that didn't save my eye cloud.

May 22nd, 2024. This happened on May 4th, 2024. I wanted to read off the aggressive text messages that Rosenberg sent me. Oh, yeah, funny. I'm sure. He's like, well, listen, I got it. I got to file. I kept the files.

I think at one point I was asking, are you being serious right now? Because I didn't know if the aggression was a joke. I think when you said you were, I think that's when once you asked that, I think is when I backed off. I was like, oh, he's really not, he's not, he's not fighting with me. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't know what was going on. So, but to answer your question, all, like, I don't, I don't really know. Like, I don't, it didn't affect from a programming standpoint. I didn't hear any sort of real anything about it.

But the energy was very different in terms of... In the office, in the studio. I'm not in the office. You know what I'm saying? I'm in the morning and I'm done. I've officially become that guy. Okay. When I first started in radio, I was doing overnights in D.C.

The morning show host was Donnie Simpson. Yeah. The legend. The legendary. When Donnie would walk out of the building at 10.1 a.m. to play his first round of golf of the day. He didn't know a fucking thing that happened. That's now me.

Okay. I graduated from, Oh, I'm done? Yeah, you all don't know me anymore. I'm officially the morning show guy who's checked out. So I don't know like what level of politics was going on or how much it affected people. You know, we as a station,

we've been super supportive of both those artists. Obviously, Drake has his own, he's had his own issues with Flex. He's had his own issues with me. He's had his own issues at Ebro. Like he's had different things at different times. Yeah. But I think he would also acknowledge. an immense amount of support.

Like he has been a core artist at Hot 97 now since the very beginning. And it's never changed. Like even through this whole thing, he had records playing through it. Records playing immediately after it. I'm sure he didn't love everything that was being said. But like it also didn't slow him down at the radio station. It picked Kendrick up. Kendrick had a huge.

The amount of GNX we played surprised even me. Yeah. I was like, we are really playing every song off of GNX. Yeah. Like, this is kind of crazy. It's early. That song is really aggressive. That's aggressive, yeah.

We were talking with Graf last week about New York radio specifically and trying to have more of a evolved conversation than the typical New York radio doesn't support New York artists. If at no point it came up that I give him tickets to summer jam every year, the conversation wasn't thorough. He didn't bring that up, though. He was suggesting, though, with this post year, kind of the conversation we're having, he has noticed that, you know, between like the Griselda movement, Freddie clips now coming out that bars are being a bit more respected on radio for sure and I can't really answer that because truthfully I don't like sit and listen to the radio like that so thanks I didn't know listen I'm just kidding I'm on my way to daycare listening to baby shark at the time you're on when you're on we just need to stay up long enough for your daughter

to age in to can rock with some 97 we're away I don't know if I'm going to make it that long though so we'll see no you will absolutely sure what's tomorrow now it's more now Four? Three? No. She's two. I'm going to say, you just jumped way ahead. Holy shit. I thought tomorrow was like at least three. By the way, that's so great. It's so rarely goes that direction. Isn't it nice that she's younger than someone thinks for us? Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I thought she, wow. Last two birthday parties right in here. So I utilize the space. By the way, so I don't know if I'm making it. But, um, continue. I'm sorry. Yeah. So, um, when Graf was saying that, I couldn't really speak to it.

Like, is the Clift album playing on the radio right now? Is, I didn't know GNX was playing to the degree it was. Do you feel like the actual lyrics are back on the radio post this battle? I do think there's something that changed. There's clearly like an interest in lyrics that has been affected by that battle. I think the excitement about clips has it's a perfect storm. I mean, yes, of course, God bless the rollout. It was an incredible rollout. But beyond that, you have Pusha being tangentially connected to the entire Drake Kendrick thing, of course. Fair, yeah. But I really think. a big part of it is yeah the bar was raised and now there are a million people who look even nerder than peter rosenberg and rory talking about a breakdown of lyrics yeah that has become such a

thing and i do think that's extended to every to everywhere yeah yeah i just didn't know if that made it to the radio like i could see the clips playing there and this isn't a slight to clips or amazing lyricist i think feral would be the factor there that that production is proven on radio already whereas like no As like no drums, Griselda stuff may not play the same way on Hot 97, the way a fully produced for a album. For sure. I mean, I think from a production standpoint, yes. I think also from a familiarity standpoint.

Like that is important. That sound, even if it's a new for L beat, it's still recognizing it. And even the sound of push's voice. Fair, yeah. Like these are things that are part of me. I think people don't appreciate that sometimes, like when everyone like hates radio. And I'm not saying, by the way, I fully understand hatred of radio in different ways. But I do think people take some things for granted.

Like, why can't you just play an unknown artist with a song with no hook? That's like, it's like, because that's just not what an audience would ever gravitate toward. Yeah, it's just advertising business. We are meant to retain people. Like, when I work at ESPN, guys, I would love to show up and talk about national sports topic. Like, it's almost a joke at the radio station how much I check out sometimes on like local baseball topics. But guess what? That's what we have to talk about daily because bread and butter, the people in New York who want to turn on 880 a.m.

And to hear what sports talk is. They don't want to hear me waxing about what the commanders did last week. They want to hear about the Yankees. It's playing the hits, bro. And it's always been radio. This made up thing of like back in the day, there's always been Mick Show at night. Not always, but since we were kids. Mix show at night.

During the day, you're hearing the hits. That's what it is. That's what I was trying to say to graph. Like, has it been that different? maybe you just liked more of the popular music back then than you do now. I think that is exactly what I was. Because like I've explained the like I loved Nelly. All the older kids I hung around that were like, I'm saying older, like 20 years older,

hated Nelly. Like, ugh, that's disgusting. Now people would say Nellie's a lyricist. And it's classic. Like, yeah. So I mean, that's always been that way. Now I'm the guy that's 20 year old older than everyone else going like, I'm cool with what y'all playing over there.

Exactly. It's the same thing, though. Yeah, no, I think that there is something that changed in the last several years where the music that's popular and they play during the day is like the, the sing-songy nothingness stuff, I think really affects hip hop heads in this like, no, this is some bullshit. Things have changed. Like, in a way that's visceral, sort of the way it was around ringtone. Like ringtone, people were viscerally angry about the records that were playing. 06, 07. And it was like, this is bad.

Yeah. Yeah. Which, again, I get because at that time, they probably, that was the only place they could hear music, for the most part, was radio or you bought the CD or a place you were going played it. My generation now isn't mad at the radio because I can just plug my phone in. Why does it matter? Like, I'm not angry at anybody. I can play what I want to play.

Well, and for me, selfishly, who, like I said, like, my focus is morning, so I'm not. Yeah, which is driving your kids to school time. We're talking. Yeah. I don't care what we play. Yeah. I often, I'm still glad to this day that Ebro hasn't realized how he probably wouldn't want to do it because he thinks would make us look bad. If he ever said, let's play a game, Rosenberg tell us the name and artist of the song we're playing right now.

Nothing. Yeah. And I'm not proud of that. No, I'm terrible with titles. The song titles and I'm terrible. But like 10 years ago, 10 to 15 years ago, certainly, I would have known all of the artists off top. Why do you think that's changed? I think finally, and I really never wanted this to happen,

I did personally change enough. Like, I'm not going to blame the music. Like everybody tends to do. I have outgrown the mainstream, the most mainstream. And let me rephrase that too. When I say mainstream, I mean like the mainstream hits that come and go. Because really, if we're honest, the biggest hits, are still the biggest artists.

Absolutely. Cole, Kendrick, Drake, Cardi. I know them, right? But when it comes to all the stuff in between, you know, like, eventually I knew Cash Cobain, but like that takes time. Right.

And they have to last a little longer for me. If it's just one. One summer. Quick one, I don't remember. And it has the same sound as a bunch of other records from a bunch of other artists that you're not even sure.

And I'm not trying, and I'm not, I'm not even dissing. That's why I'm saying. It just became not for me. And it's also you have to think of the entire switch in the music industry where, yeah, some of the mainstream stuff when I was in high school, they were trying to make dumbed down catchy records.

Now they're trying to make 15 seconds that goes towards an app to be catchy. Right. So it's even twofold of how shitty mainstream music can be. That's so wild. Listen, even like, Laffy Taffy has like three verses on that shit. Like, it's a song. And people that were older than me hated. that song, but it was a song. It just had to be catchy. Now, you think I'm supposed to like

something that's only cool for 10 seconds that's supposed to be for kids on TikTok? Right. I'm not a hater. I'm just like, this is not for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, Laffy Taff. Think about Laffy Taffy, that would have rang off just from the rant, ran, ran, ran, that would have been enough. Yeah. Yeah. They made a whole song. They wouldn't even had to. They could have wrapped it up after 45 seconds. We all would have been better off for it. No, nuck a few buck, just the squeaks. That's it. That's all you need. need. Yeah. Like the shit that makes people run to the dance floor, I think now is the version of what TikTok is. Like, that's blended together. If you were just at a high school party, at a club, at a bar,

you'd hear that first note and go to the dance floor. That's all just now on TikTok. Yeah. It's the same thing. Yeah. It's the same thing. Why don't we talk about somebody I was thinking about yesterday and I forgot that he was locked up, but I was thinking about like, yo, he don't got a record out. I'm like, oh, shit, he's locked up. Fabio. We don't talk about five. You He's interesting to me for a lot of reasons, but he has, he's one of the younger artists, right, a drill rapper, if you will. He has records with Drake, a record with Kanye and Alicia Keys, and he's somebody we don't talk about. I know. Like, I didn't even know he was locked up.

Like, I knew, but I kind of forgot. Just in thinking like songs of the summer, you know, the energy. I'm like, damn, where's Fabio? How he put it on? I'm like, oh, shit, I forgot. He's locked up right now. but he's an artist that was really hot. Like I had records with some of the biggest artists in the world.

And now he's an artist that we don't even seem to even bring up in discussion anymore. Why does that happen? Because I don't know many people that can say I have a record with Drake. I have a record with Kanye West and Alicia Keys. And nobody talks about that artist. Well, Flavi is complicated for a variety of reasons. Because he made, he did. And by about, like this is an awkward one because I personally.

really like Fabio. But he did the whole Trump grift and then still went to jail, which is, because I assume the whole Trump grift was to not go to jail. He was in the park in the Bronx, or that was somebody else? No, that was Chef G. And, no, no, he didn't do that.

He did a record. Yeah. Oh, I'm glad I missed that one. He did a whole, you know, the craziest shit? The Fabio Trump record's not bad. I mean, Fabio makes the music. It's not bad. But it's a straight up Trump is my president anthem. Okay. He went, he went all the way.

Okay. All right. I assumed it was because he was trying to work an angle of some sort. A pardon. Yeah. And then he ended up getting locked up and I didn't even really know what happened. I don't even know he's locked up for. I don't either. But Five is interesting also because when he came out, he was older, a little bit older. Yeah. Right? Like he was. He was, he was, but he got on a little bit later. Yeah. After Pop Smoke passed.

Yeah. But he really did have good records. And has charisma. Like he can rap. He's got charisma. He has an... His age actually was an advantage. He carried himself like someone who knew what he was doing.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. He did Summer Jam. Like, he got support. Like, New York definitely was like, hey, we... Absolutely.

And then I can't quite put a finger on what happened there. That is so hard. He had arguably one of the best features on Donda. I think he caught the Kanye stimulus at the wrong time. Like the last... He got the last moment of it. Because Danda, there was still people like, but it was...

Kanye was still Kanye when Donna came out. And he, in my opinion, I mean, obviously the three-stacks verse didn't actually make the real album. You could say Fabio had one of the best verses, which is the crazy sentence to say, it's either Fabio or J. Electronica, who had the best verses on that album. He went crazy on that. And I think he rode the Kanye wave because then they got the Alicia Keys record. And it was just like, all right, you're putting all your eggs in the Kanye basket. And he was all over Donna, too, that didn't come out.

Like, it felt like he dedicated his time to Kanye at a. the time he shouldn't have done that. Yes. Like, that's interesting. You should have just stayed in New York and kept riding the New York way that you had. Because everyone loved Fabio. Because the feature on the album was so good.

He went crazy. That was the thing I played off of the album the most. And I lived jail too. But then Kanye went even, because he was already out of his gourd. But he clearly went levels beyond after Donda. And he was like, that was kind of where he had staked his flag. And it was like, this is not. helpful it's not doing what it should have done yeah yeah and who knows in people's personal lives too

because like obviously again i don't know that he went to jail but clearly something was happening behind the scenes so five years in jail due to pleading guilty to a terroristic threats charged stemming from an incident that occurred on new year's day in edgewater new jersey the incident involved a dispute over parking a woman claimed she asked the rapper to help jump start her car five year allegedly pulled a gun on her and threatened her stating if i see you park in front of this building again there's going to be a fucking problem That is one of those... That is one of those stories where the description does not feel complete.

Like there is more to who that person wants. There's not a single missing piece here. That's exactly how it. It was one of those times where someone goes, hey, can you jump my car and you pull a gun down and say, I never want to see here again? No, you're in the middle of trying to jump the car. So his charges include unlawful possession of a weapon and aggravated assault in addition to terrorist threats as part of a plea deal. He pleaded guilty to the terrorist charge. The other charges are expected to be dropped.

He has been incarcerated since January. and await sentencing schedule for August 2nd, 2025. Wait, so he's in jail and still hasn't been sentenced? No, yeah, that's why he's sitting in jail. Yo, bro. If Kevin Gates was there, none of this would happen. Because the attorney hopes for a probationary sentence, potentially allowing early release,

considering the time served. Yeah, I just thought that that was weird, an artist that, you know, had all of the momentum, all of the steam in the city at one time, records were some of the biggest artists in the world, and then now he's been arrested since the beginning of the year, and we don't even talk about him.

I just thought that was weird. No, it is. I agree. I think the Fabio story is a bit weird. I can't quite put a finger on that. But I also wouldn't write it off yet either. Sometimes that back from jail shit, you know what I mean? That can be the set off you need.

Yeah, yeah. Just a little time to sit down and look at things and go, you know what? Avoid death. If you take that story at face value, like something just went left with an actual stranger. Yeah. That is the worst. That is such a, like there are stupid situations, but that sounds horrible. Yeah, that's the top of the list.

That's the top of the list. I mean, if he took a plea to, maybe his lawyer's telling him, like, come sentencing, you'll get time served. Just sit till August and maybe it'll be over. Yeah, but that's tough. Tell us somebody to just sit down in jail until August

in January. An artist like him who has all this momentum. Don't tell me to do the weekend in jail. So. Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's just, that's just. I'm not trying to downplay. Right.

Yeah, no. Eight months in prison. Totally get it. I mean, shit, Fetty is one of those two that I am very confident that when he gets out, who's to say Fettie can't have another run? Tell me the, the music hasn't

changed that much that Fetty couldn't adapt to. it. That is an interesting one because Feddy's record sound like a million years ago. Like I'm not saying he couldn't do it. Ten years ago? That was, that was summer 2015. When you hear that shit right now, it feels like you are in a time warp. Yeah. It's so much has happened. It's because he own that. It's so much as much. But his melodic flow is still the same now. I get it. But like the, even long before he went away, he already wasn't doing anything. I'm not trying. I don't want to come to situations. I'm just But it didn't cold for a long time.

That was a lot of politics too with, you know, which he spoke about briefly of just that run of like when you have fucking 10 records on billboard and all right, can we slow down for a second to spread these out and work my actual records and album? We had 15 hits from them and then they were like, here's the album. Like, no, we've heard it. Everything. I have it all. And that's just a bad strategy. But some records just don't. It is weird.

The line of a really good song at a time and then one that last. the test of time for me is fascinating to bring up mall's favorite person in the world. Best I ever had to me sounds like when you hear it, you're like this feels like a throwback, an intentional, fun, goofy throwback, not like you really want to rock out and hear best I ever had. You could hear Find Your Love or started from the bottom a minute later. And those songs sound like, nah, play it right now. Right. It's just funny to read the songs.

I think Best I ever had has gone past that. I think Find Your Love speaks specifically to the 80s and Heartbreak Style. That sounds like a dated hit to me. Not in a bad way, but it represents that time. That would bring me to O-9. Best I ever had and started from the bottom, I feel like those could play. Started from the bottom, I think is forever. Any time.

No, best I ever had, there's something about the drums. There's something about the mix of it. There's just something about that song to me that sounds like a... It's a time. It's a time. It's not like. Again, and this, we actually, we've had. this Drake conversation plenty of times, and this is our age gap there. I was a freshman in

college when Best Ever Had came out. So yes, the drums are not mixed. It's boy wondered. Finding a boom baff shit. That still resonates with me. I look past the faults of what the mixing would be because it's a time. It's timeless because I was there. That's the difference I think with best I ever had between our age gap, which I think plenty of people have with records. It doesn't make you go like to, wow, that's like freshman year of college. It feels like, yeah. it should stay there? No. I like that time.

You don't have shit that you grown up or like in college or a specific time that just resonates with you. For sure. Of course there's can't tell me nothings. Like those are just for the rest of your life. That's just. Correct.

But you can still have a timeless record that is from a moment in time that you liked. But Drake, it's weird. Drake to me has a lot of timeless records. But there are a handful of them from the beginning. successful Best I ever had I'm going in

Yeah They all sound like For whatever reason They sound it off But stay there Yeah yeah yeah I get it I get it

I get it I totally understand And then after that He developed a bit And everything Kind of lasts to me Yeah But it's not

Again it's not a Drake thing Maybe it's a blog era thing That I have My ears So trained to the blog era That absolute Shitty mixes

From that time Because it's a part of my life I ignore like put in crits first mixtape they they mastered that negatively like I have my radio does not even go that high of how much that should play but it still is timeless to me right but it's it was a shitty time people were just this big crit yeah okay people were literally recording and putting shit out mm-hmm like that was how bad mix shit cushion oj doesn't

sound polished if you go back to it of course they've remastered it and put it on DSPs but right go listen to when you have downloaded on your computer it's It's gonna sound like best I ever had. You know, I've probably never listened to Kush and OJ. You've never listened to me? Probably not. How? Probably not.

Go listen. All right, listen to O.D. The one that you downloaded. And it'll sound like ass. I'm sure. I'm sure. But it's still incredible music. Like, shit, even some of Section 80, our ears got crazy because technology got so good.

It's so easy to mix and master a record now. But I'm not even, with best area, I don't know, I'm not even just talking about the mix. There's just something about it that sounds like. Yeah. It's just a little dated. I get that. Slopy, boom. that record. I see.

But no, but it's just, it's just more, maybe it's just about Drake's development. Like, maybe it's the fact that he became so big that, like, that was like just a different version of him. But everything changed about his voice, the way he wraps, his ad lives, the music. Literally, if you listen to his first mixtape or so far gone and go to what he just put out last year, it sounds like a completely different. This is a college dropout to Donda. Like, doesn't even sound like the same vocal tone. Yeah.

Like they're different people. Bro, if I have to have another argument with someone saying that Donda and even Donda, too, I've had thrown at me are classic albums. I'm gonna fucking lose my. No, I'm not here to say that. I enjoy Donda. Don't get me wrong. It has joints. Yeah.

A classic, no. No, you have to. Here's the, here's the fact. When you decide to put out your album with 22 fucking songs. You are right. No, the bad songs are negative on your album. Absolutely. You're not allowed to put out 22 songs.

songs, 12 on there were bangers and say you have a classic. Yeah, no. You could have if you subtracted 10. If you took seven of those. But you didn't. Right. So like that that annoys this shit out of me. Being bootleg Kev, I've argued about this many times because he fucking loves Dondon.

I don't know if he calls it classic. But like when I say basically Kanye's completely falling off and turned to shit, he and other people will come to me with Donda. And I'm like, when you're comparing that to the rest of his catalog, Danda's a brick. I know it has a few great songs on it. Yeah. We're talking about a guy. who previously, I would have argued,

had the highest percentage of great songs on albums of maybe anyone ever. One of the greatest discographes ever. What? If not the greatest. Six is even through Life of Pablo, which where he's, that's when he started to slip. He started experimenting.

You guys know my theory on this? No. I have a really important theory on Kanye. The moment. At Life of Pablo? About Life of Pop. He would suggest your people would. You're further proving his point.

When my, when my uncle and I were together at my synagogue discussing whether or not we should make this a hit or not. I was like to make this a hit. I was like that's why Don is not a classic if I want to get down to it. I was like Uncle Slumbo, I think we should

let this black artist to succeed. He said, no, I've had enough. I said, no, I like him. No, I would say this is the moment in life of Pablo. I mean, we remember the whole rollout was a fucking mess. The album kept changing. But no, here's, if you want to pinpoint the beginning of when Kanye

is losing his shit. It is the line and she just bleached her asshole. Okay. That song. Yeah. Is an iconic forever piece of glorious music.

Yeah. And in that bar when you decided to start the song with, I just fucked a model. She just bleached her asshole. Yeah. And you thought that was a good decision to do with a song that sounds that he lost it. You've now lost, honestly, I'm joking, but I'm not.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you've now lost your edge of like what makes a song able to live forever. Yeah. Because now every grown up and Rory's going to, we're both going to have to deal with this soon as our babies get older. Yeah. Now I can't play that in the car. Right. Now it's like an immediate, you can't even explain to someone.

I don't want my mom to hear it. I don't want my daughter to hear it. I don't want my cousin to hear. You don't want anyone to hear that line. What are you doing? please find this footage listeners I think it was on the oil potter it might have been on this one

I had this same thing I was riding with my mom in the car and the first record Ultra light beams beautiful my mother's Catholic don't tell anyone Okay Fuck y'all that was funny to me

We were riding and she loved that first record Even like the chance one and I'd not say my mom would be the gauge of anything Kanye related But gets to the second record she's on board all the way and then when it gets to that fucking part my mom was like why would

someone do that I said bleats their asshole she said no why would you say that no no no no no she was like we understand why someone would do it why would you say they did it though yeah why would you say they did it because to get my mom even into certain

hip hop is is a a stretch no pun intended and again not that it matters but you want to play her to hits crap or shouldn't be trying to do shit for my mom but we were just in the car and she was vibing. I was like, wow, all right?

Yeah. One for one with ultra light beings. Why would someone say that? Yeah. Like, it ruined the whole song. The start of that album, those two records, is such a beautiful and incredible start to the album. And right when that line gets hit,

I remember going like, hmm, no one was around to say, Hey, bro. We should take that out. And like, obviously, Metro's young. You know, who's going to be the person who says, and not only that. Not only is Metro young, Pete,

But there's a thing, you know, you're in the studio with Kanye. You're kind of just like, I feel like he knows way more than I ever will. I can be a great producer. This is still Kanye West. So Metro is probably like, he know more than me. He got way more hits than I do. I'm not, even though it probably was like a, why would he say that? He's not going to say that to Kanye.

And no one else around him is going to, I mean, respectfully to 88 keys or whoever else is around, no one's giving him that bit of advice. And it was a small thing. But then like as the album went on, Life of Pablo then starts to fall apart at points. It has, then it picks back up. It's the middle. It's the three records in the middle, the one that Tyler wrapped on the freestyle four shit.

It's like those three records where it gets odd. And then it comes right back to Chris Brown. And you're like, this is the greatest thing I've ever heard. Chris Brown. You get to the friend shit. Rihanna's in the first half, yeah. It's,

but that's the beginning of him starting to slip. And those lines were there. He always just packaged it. around dope shit. Like, somebody should have tapped Kanye before when he said, uh, dripping swag sauce, you dripping swag goo. Somebody should have been like, yeah. That was nasty.

Like, come on, come on. No, it's a nasty bar. He's always had weird, cheesy lines his whole career, but they were always around amazing shit. So it was like, all right, whatever. But there's a certain line that you cross. And when you do it, it now just sounds like, I mean, listen, we're all hip hop fans.

Yeah. For us to collectively think that something's crass. Yes. You realize how crass it has to be? Yeah. Like not many. Come on. Come on.

I've said this line that I just said to you guys. you can imagine, to many other people in my life. Not one of them has pushed back and be like, nah, that's a bar. Not one person has pushed back and said that. Yeah, nobody's fighting for that bar. No, nobody's fighting for the ball. We're pretty chill.

We're not overly sensitive about a lot of things. But that one, we kind of all look at each other like. With the bleach on her ass, so he kept his t-shirt on because he wanted to be a clothing designer and the bleach from a shirt. You had to, yeah, see? And it had to be authentic, so it had to be from, you know, throwing an ass back. That's how you get the dress.

Designed with the bleach. I totally understand it. No, you get it. We've been there. And also a chick just getting an asshole bleached and then fucking is also hilarious to me. No, I mean. Like, let it dry. She's a clean queen.

Yeah. She's a clean queen. But I still believe that if Fettywop hopped on a cardy beat tomorrow, it would go crazy. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clever Taylor the 4th.

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rap time right now. And I think he's somebody that obviously created a lot of melodies that people still probably lend their talents to and use and sample. He's one of the artists

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and who is help guiding the thing. Honestly, I can see somebody like Drake taking Maxby under his wing and kind of like helping him in a studio. Well, first of all, Drake is going to do that. He did it with Gucci. But I don't think that's the move for Max. I think he should

avoid everyone that is trying to get around, no pun intended, the wave and focus on his personality in what he's doing. Like anytime, even with Bobby when he came out of jail and yeah, of course everyone want to be around and around the Migos, this and that, that's great. But everyone's just using the moment of he's home to try to put a record out. No, no, no.

I feel like, again, because somebody that wraps and obviously Melodies is a big part of their career with Drake, I think somebody like Max B in the studio with Drake and whatever producers that they have around him, I think that Max B picks up right where he left off. Well, I think Drake is actually potentially a good call for him, and it would serve both of them well in different ways, right? It gets Drake working with someone with a lot of credibility who's cool and people fuck with. We don't want to see. We know what we don't want to see is Max going to fuck with Kanye. We just had that conversation.

And we know Kanye has reached out. Like there's been something there. That's not. You could get caught up. Be like, oh, he wants to fly me out, but like, yeah, don't fall for the jet. Don't fall for the whole. Don't fall for the jet. I would want a free flight too, but it's not the move.

That's more what I was saying of everyone is going to reach out to him when he gets out. and we've seen it with artists that get out that hinders their career because they just start following every move that's happening out there because they've been locked up. They don't know no better. So it's like,

let me get with the people that have been dominating and maybe that's not what you need. No, you really need to go back and do exactly what Bobby not did before, but like you had your own energy

and your own wave. You're trying to get everybody else is not going to be helpful. To me, and I'm not comparing Bobby and Max's because I think Max could start a podcast day gets out and out of here. Yeah,

that's a great point. I mean, his personality is... Max, no matter what has the personality. Yeah. But, I mean, I don't know if he needs to just run and go with a major artist. It's probably about finding the right manager, honestly. Well, that's number one, for sure. The right management circle, for sure.

The complex hip-hop power rankings, hip-hop media rankings came out last week, Pete, and we're top 10 and not 10 this year. Top 10 and not 10? Yeah, we're not number 10. Oh. Oh, good. We're number nine. Yeah.

We're not number eight either. Not 10 and not eight. But you're also not seven. Yeah. Yeah. No. Not seven. No.

And eight. Surprise. We're not number one. Yeah. I know you're shocked. But yeah, did you, did you look at this list?

No. Neither did I. No. I did not. The first year I decided, this is the first year I decided to go ahead and spare my fragile ego and not look. Yeah. And I,

and then here I have my friends to bring it up for me right when I get right on the podcast. Well, no, I mean, I didn't look at it either. Yeah. And I, to,

point. I didn't look at the list. P.H. I brought it up last week when it came out. I just saw where he was at and that was, we went through it Monday and kind of just saw who else was the top. Well, I'll say this. So I didn't look at it this year, like I said, on account of protecting my own, because like two things. One, I don't deserve to be on it because I don't do the things in the places that one would really do to be on that list. Because like my opinions in New York City radio, as you could tell by the list, that's not. I imagine if I were to look at it. that's not what's we did. Shannon Sharp is on the list.

You should be on a list. All right, you should be on the list. So that's going to be what my point is about the list, though. Yeah. And listen, Complex is great at getting people to talk. Yeah. And I know this is now a point that's been up.

We all get riled up of a list. You know, list like, yeah. And I know this is, I'm sure there's already been talked about at nauseam. The thing that's annoying is the cats they put on aren't hip hop. Like, that's the thing that- So Kassanata's number one. Not hip-hop.

Okay. Why do you feel like Kai is not hip-hop? Because, like, has Kai ever done, by the way, this isn't a song I'm dissing him. I'm not at all. I just went through our last episode.

Yeah, he's, he's great. But like, has he, if you were to add up like 10 episodes of Kai Sinat, I wonder if he's talked as much hip hop

as we did in the last hour. Talk about breaking down music. Okay, got good. Like, there's a hit, like, yeah,

we're having a hip hop conversation. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like when Saif and I do are, our little niche one up every week. Not every week. Sometimes we just talk about Saif Galaunt in the world of Dave Chappelle.

Yeah. But sometimes, like this week, we are going out, talking about the albums that came out, what we like, what we don't, that is a hip hop conversation. Kai Sinat, Shannon Sharp, do they put Aiden Ross on the list? No. Okay. So what's the difference? Essentially, I'm not going to read their whole breakdown, but it, their criteria does sort of match the list more or less.

Okay, what's the criteria? The biggest one that I think validated Kai being on there, the most, is is this outlet where hip hop goes for rollouts and to break certain news and artists. And I can say with what Kai has done with his house and everything. There's been some rollout there. Yeah. Some. I mean, clips didn't roll up to Kai's house.

No. But, you know, Nikki did a whole thing. They're like, you know, offset rappers go there often. True. Is it hip hop media to me? No. Because they don't even really like talk about the music. They just have fun, which I think is incredible.

I just don't know if that's hip-hop media. But by their criteria, I mean, I guess. Kai's incredible. Listen, what he's done has been... We are huge fans of Kai. I'm not going to go that far because I'm just, you know, I'm not a liar. And I'm not saying you are. No, we really, like, really fuck.

I love what you do is that. But I'm not saying you are, but I'm not. I don't tune into his... I'm not going to go home and be like, all right, well, you know what? Let me tap into the Kai stream. But we have supported him for quite some time. I think every, I think him representing the... the new wave of media is the best thing that we completely agree like kaisinat is the one he doesn't

get me mad at all right like i got no i just wasn't going to say yeah i'm a fan because that might imply like i'm tapping in yeah yeah yeah but no as a person i'm a fan too like he i find him to be like more than inoffensive seems like a good person absolutely who uses platform well and it's impressive yeah i just like doesn't strike me as hip hop um and when i've looked at those things previously, they'll just be things that are like, I mean, there are just things I don't understand things that they label as hip hop that I'm like, just because this is a space where an artist occasionally shows up or literally like the host is black. That is what your standard was for them being hip hop. Right. They don't need to, we're not getting into what they're doing one way

like to me, it's just ends up being lazy and trolly, but that's why we're talking about it. So. I mean, ironically, I would never want Aiden Ross to be on this list, but by some of their criteria, you could make a fucking case that. For sure. And I think that kid's a fucking douchebag shit. And I think that kid's a fucking douchebag. Be careful.

Why? Because, yeah, their fans are. Aidan Ross? Yeah. Yeah. Wild. Okay. So I think Aiden Ross is a doucheback. But if we're going off this, then Aiden has had more hip-hop where music has even been

discussed than a lot of people on this level. He has some of the same people. But I'm also complimenting him and like, all right, well, if this is the criteria, you have had hip-hop shit. No, he has, he has horrifyingly bad conversations about hip-hop. They're awful. But they are conversations. Yeah.

Like, so. This is aiding at someone. Yes. Like, I've definitely seen the clips move around of him saying some dumb shit about this artist or that artist with no background, no real interest. I was thinking about that earlier, bro. It is so fucking crazy. The standard by.

by which you know, if I felt like I was held to when I was emerging versus the lack of standard that anyone is held to anymore. Oh yeah. It is so fucking wild. Yeah, yeah. Like when you think about the things that I like got in trouble for early in my career, the issues I had with people like, he, I can't believe he had the nerve to say that starships sucks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now a proven fact in history. Yeah. But at the time, it was like, oh my God. like, is that offensive? I don't even think he should be saying things like that. This is a problem. This is, now you can literally move around. You say I bleached her asshole. Correct.

But they're a podcast for it. With no, no doing anything positive. No contribution to anything. Say whatever you want that's nasty. Be hurtful. Be hateful. And really, there's people will still go stand right next to you. Oh, absolutely.

People, people, you know, like you could have right wing, crazed right wing podcast. who interview the worst people on earth. And then two seconds later, oh, they got hip hop people sitting right next to him, blah, blah, blah, no problem, no problem. It's just there's no standard whatsoever, which back to the point about Kai Sanat,

which is why I like the fact that Kai's not, I don't see him stand next to really any bad shit. It's positivity 99% of the time. That's pretty cool. It's hard not to like him as a person. I think he was a very positive person. With the streaming thing, Plap Boy Max, I think he's the best representation of hip hop media now.

Tell me who that is? All right, so he streams, he has this in the Booth series where he'll actually make records with the artist in real time. He's done it with up and coming artists. He's done it with famous artists. Like his platform is hip hop for real. He's at number four and he just smokes the streaming shit period. He's taking a little break, but I mean, to me, that's been the best merge of streamers versus real hip hop media before. What's that being?

Black boy Max. Like he's actually making records on that. Well, that to me sounds like something that's super deserving of being in the hip hop media conversation. But they're weird. like complex you know sometimes they'll throw people in who are like legacy like whose names i'm not going to mention because i already i already say that i'm already getting killed on the internet like they'll mention what i probably think you're going to say yeah they i don't even know who's on it but my guess is i've seen them throw legacy names on and i'm like why did they get the leg why didn't i get

the legacy if you were just going to toss someone in because they have not had a hip-hop conversation in god knows how long yeah um you know just do a little bit more work man and you know quickly not to repeat what we talked about last time. More or less, I said, if we're going to put legacy in the top 10, then clear all of us out and put Angie, sway, big boy. Like, if you're going to put legacy, then just make it legacy. Like, just throwing a legacy in the mix in a top 10 situation. Is that, oh, did that happen this time? Yeah. It's just like, all right, well, then put Angie there. Like, if we're just going to be putting people on the love. Like, all right, it's just sway. Number two, then. But yeah, this whole thing is the dumbest, when you really do think about it.

Like this is literally, it's brilliant and dumb simultaneously. They get all of the people who are on the list to talk about the list. And then all the people that are not on to talk about it as well. So it's amazing. But like, we're ranking media personalities. Okay. We are the only space that does weird shit like this. We rank rappers.

We need rappers to fight with each other. We need to rank the people who talk about the rappers. We fight with each other. Like, what the fuck are we doing? Don't do that. Complex used to do the 23. best Jordans. No, that's true. This is their brand. This is their brand. Yeah, yeah. This is definitely But I mean, I guess, I mean, that's all, that's why we love hip hop in the battle space

and turns to us having arguments and ranking that you don't think it's going to happen in podcasting? Like, it's just going to fold over into everything else that's attached to hip-hop. No, listen, and if I was on the list, I'd be fine with it, but yeah, a new fact that wouldn't be. So you just had Tyler, uh, Tyler to creator. You just interviewed Tyler the other day. How many people on the list had Tyler this either? Anyways, keep on. Actually, I'll give you your flowers, who has the most Tyler interviews in history? Oh, definitely me. Has to be. And what do you think the difference is? Like, he's, you probably have what, like 12? No, I don't, uh, probably had him with, I've probably done it three or four times with Ebro and then I probably had them, you know,

three to five times prior that, um, the difference with what? With him? So it's probably you and then Nordward at like three Tyler interviews and then like everyone else maybe is? Yeah, he does. He's not, He said he doesn't want to really do print very much, and he doesn't like being misquoted, and I think he just, he doesn't love the idea that clips get cut out of context. Yeah. And he trusts us, and we have great conversations.

Yeah, I mean, I meant to say, even when I saw that he came on this week, it didn't shock me, but I was like, Tyler really fucks with Rosenberg, because he does not do this, and every album continues to come right to y'all. And let me not say, y'all, you,

because I remember back then when, Ebro was like, this is weird. Get this shit away from me. And then he showed up on like maybe the second or third one when it was UK Fox in Seif. He popped in because Odd Future was catching some noise. And I'm like, oh, now Ebro wants to show up. Why are you going to remember the whole history? But no, it's a compliment because I can't think of another artist and interviewer that has had

that type of relationship at the caliber of artists that Tyler is. That's nice. Like that's crazy that that's not brought up more that he. continues to come back to your show every single time. I truly appreciate that. I truly appreciate them. It's Tyler and Clancy. And yeah, Clancy reached out when I was gone and said they wanted to come in.

And I was like, I'm on paternity. And he was like, well, we need you to show up. If you, if. And I was like, what kind of asshole would I be? I don't have, I don't have a lot of the, you know, people. He's like a guy who's entering legend status. Yeah. Say, please, we need to have a conversation.

So, no, it's super flattering. And honestly, like, they are literally among the only people who no matter what has happened at every turn. Hey, we're coming to town. Do you want to go to the show? Bo, blah, blah. Like, you know, and Rory knows me very well because he listens, he listens to my shit. He's heard my complaints over all my years. Like, I am, I am beyond a sensitive type.

And so that it goes a long way for me that, like, they remember, you know. And I asked Tyler in the interview, do you remember our first interview? All he remembered was that it wasn't in the radio station. It was in a hotel lobby. Which is crazy. But like, I saw them, you know, on the internet when people started seeing it. But I remember the first time I saw, the first odd future video I saw, I remember it having under 50,000 views.

And then I remember like it very quickly having like 500,000 a million. And I hit it very, very quick. And then six months later, whatever it was, they had that show. in the city. It was at Highline or Santos? I think it was at Highline. Highline. And when I went,

I went with Benner. And I went with money. And that was the one. They were terrified. And everybody was there. Like it would, they went from like nothing to like Paul Rosenberg was there. Yeah.

Everyone from bad boys. Everyone from every, this is the time when that was still happening. And, and they were all petrified. Yeah. Everyone was like because everyone kind of bought the odd future gimmick. Like it felt like, oh my God, these guys are like dangerous.

Yeah. That's what made it so fucking cool. Yeah. Is that like these dorky kids sort of suburbanite L.A. kids like really created something that hit so solidly. But yeah, I was into it from day one. They did my birthday mad times. Like, imagine what I paid Tyler versus what he's getting for a show today. Brough.

Yeah. And one of my birthday, I was looking at a picture for my birthday party. Tyler performed. That was the one that we shot right at a Best Buy Sony, whatever PlayStation or the shit is called. now. Yeah. Well, I had two with them at PlayStation. Yeah. But then it was a Best Buy. Yeah. Tyler was on the bill. Cizzo was there. Frank Ocean was there. Like, it was literally the who's who was about to become like it in music. And it's crazy. I was watching the video and I saw the age of the kids in the crowd. Who I don't get me wrong. I was already much older than then. Yeah. Like I was in my early 30s then and they all felt like kids. And it's just funny now. to be 13 years older. Yeah. And so the distance feels that much bigger

between me and kids today. Although the weird thing about Tyler is, he still continues to get these high school kids. Yeah. Like he gets older. Like Tyler, I think Mac Miller is similar. Yeah.

Time goes on. Teenagers still right there. Yeah. It's like they become coming of age music. Yeah. We're now like once you discover you love music. Yeah. You're going to find Macmill.

You're going to find swimming. Cole is great at that too. Jay Cole, too. They keep continuing to get, and it's like, and I think, you know, now Kendrick seems to be in a younger space than ever, too, because he's now done this popular, the popular thing as well. But, yeah, but Tyler in particular, like in terms of popular with the kids. Yeah. Yeah.

It's very cool. No, I'm grateful that they still want to talk. No, I mean, here's the dig portion of the flowers. Tyler's usually so innovative. It's crazy that it keeps coming to you. Which speaks to how good a human being you are because he continues. No, I'm serious. You know Tyler will.

want to find some new way to do interviews or whatever, but still comes to radio and to use not innovative though? Yeah. Like isn't that innovative? I mean, yeah, everything comes back. Viles are back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Going to radio. I mean, shit, clips did I, they call an old school rollout, I guess. Yeah. And by the way, everything comes back. We missed the clips. Like, so we were all off when the clips. We were, we were, we were part of that as well, but missed it. But like, so do we. Yeah. But don't, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, we had a scheduling conflict. I don't know what the inside joke is. Was it that they didn't call or that?

All of our fans have been continuing. This is the first time we even acknowledge it. All our fans keep asking why the clips didn't come here. And I don't know. We didn't. It just didn't happen. Yeah. I thought to push on DM, like,

it just didn't happen. By the way, it's, it's, I got to tell you, I'm really happy they didn't do your show also. It's nice to meet one other person in media who they didn't do. Yeah.

Yo, this is like the collective of the people who didn't talk to clips on the rollout. They feel like they talk to everybody though. Yeah. They want a rollout for real. Yeah. Which I was. I wasn't offended by though.

No, no, no, no. I'm never offended when people are. No, I wasn't offended at all because I love them and I've been in contact with them. I wasn't offended. Yeah, I did feel left out. To push before and I felt left out. There's a difference between feeling left out and being offended. I've been both.

That, absolutely I have too, but there's also the thing because, you know, and watching a lot of their interviews on their rollout, I'm like, damn, but this shit that I would have asked. I know. That some people didn't ask or maybe they were told that they shouldn't ask, but you just always feel like there's a conversation that you could have specific with an artist like a Tyler. that if you see Tyler somewhere else, he's not going to have the conversation that he would have with Rosenberg. He's not going to do that. So it's the same with me sometimes. Of course. And by the way, there also aren't that many people left than like, and I think you guys and I probably aren't that far off in this way.

We're like we really would want to talk to them and have a lot to talk about. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Like there aren't that. Like the clips are probably as popular and hit all, all the touch points that we'd be interested in. There aren't that many of them that are going to go do it too. you know what I mean but like I really do think it's innovative that Tyler does our show as media and like I see that point I like it is you know like Drake's thing has always been embrace who the next media person's going to be and go be there yeah Tyler has gone complete opposite of like I don't do it often and when I do it I do with people that I trust yeah and by the way it doesn't matter because they're gonna your fans are coming to find it either way yeah yeah like The Breakfast Club has a, has a bigger, clearly a bigger YouTube presence than we do now.

Whoever gets Tyler, it doesn't matter which platform. His people are going to find it. So you might as well go a place where like you're going to feel comfortable, have a good time. Like, why he's done three or four Nardwards? Like his fans are going to learn more about him in a Nardward interview than they would at if he sat with Kai. Right. More or less.

And not a slight guy, but. No, no. But of course. Like that it makes perfect sense. And like he's, he feels at home there. Like he, Tyler showed up. dumb early got there before me was there dumb early and stayed dumbly like he feels comfortable he seems like that type of person though like he still has that in and where you'll see him in the

most random places and he'll just be chilling for a few hours and you're like Tyler you have nothing to do like you just here just kicking it with us like okay bet yeah i can't you know it's so it's so funny i can't even gauge like how tyler's perceived because i've like watched it so closely from the beginning it's like hard for me to even fully see yeah Yeah, like that I know he is. Like he's a superstar. He'll go outside and cause pandemonium for sure. Yeah, I was outside with him for a minute the other day and talk quickly.

I'm like, oh, wow. And he doesn't even look like himself. Right. Honestly, his look right now with the fucking mustache and trucker hat? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't even look like Tyler the Creator. I drove by him at first. I was like, and yet, you know, he gets stopped by everybody.

Yeah, me. He really is like that. What did you think about the album though? Because we spoke about it. I didn't. I heard you not like that. That was the first thing I heard about the album was that Mald didn't like it. Really?

That was the first thing I saw about it. Which was a good setup for me, actually, because I did like it. I need to spend more time with it. It doesn't feel like it's going to be chromocopia to me or something that I'm going to sit around with all the time. It feels like a moment in time, a vibe of feeling. And like it's going to have like a few hammers that last. Yeah. I think ring, ring, ring is awesome.

Like it's going to have a couple of records that really play. I would like ring, ring, ring if we didn't have no care. Why can't they both occupy? Yeah. And they're not as close as I feel people put that. Are they close? People think they're that close. I only like really caught was when I saw Twitter comparing them so much.

I didn't. Because I like ring ring ring, right. But I like it. I feel like I would like it more if I didn't hear Nokia this year a couple of months ago. What is the people think is so similar about it? I couldn't figure it out. I just saw the whole. The vibe and energy is kind of similar.

No, no, I understand that no key of phones rings. Yeah, but not that. Not that. Not that. I don't really fuck with boosts. I don't really see the comparison between them at all. I'm not comparing them, but I'm just saying I just feel like because I've heard Nokia,

we've got that vibe. I feel like if we didn't have that and I heard ring, ring, ring, I would like ring, ring, way more. But as opposed to like songs that have, even though it's not sampled, like I've had the original record and the sampled record, and I like both of them. Not only that,

if you really think about it from like a DJ standpoint, like back in the day, it's cool when you have records that kind of like the next shit, You play them together. Yeah, you can play them in a set, you know. It's every Neptune's record for two years straight. Yeah. Right.

That were basically felt like they could have been the same beat back. Yeah. Right. But other than that, I just didn't, it just, I didn't connect to me. No, listen, it's, I understood what you were saying. Like, even though I didn't feel the same way, I got it. Like, it's a specific thing. He said his sweet spot's like 123 BPM.

I don't listen to a lot of stuff at 123 BPM that often. My life is way much slower than that. Yeah, exactly. But like, I just, I just love to me, when you start getting into that status of, like you have seven, eight albums, whatever it is. At a certain point, it's about, did you add a couple of songs to your concert list? Oh, yeah.

You're just creating the live show at that point. So he added a couple more. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I've lived with it. It's still probably at the bottom of his discography, in my opinion. But I like it when I'm not in traffic. That was the, I was going down the west side of highway.

And I was like, all right, you know what? I really do like the shit. And then I tried to talk me out of it. And then I got to, you know that, like, right by Chelsea Pier where usually a traffic start. Once I said, I was like, I'm gonna turn the shit off. Yeah, yeah. It's too fast.

Like, no, like when I'm even cleaning the crib, I liked it, I have to be in the right setting for it, which is not a copying a plea on the album. See, but I'm different. I don't like when people say, if you try to find excuses, I'm not finding an excuse. I like this album in an environment that is moving. So this is what you guys do.

See, this is the problem. This is the thing about you guys being actually popular, okay? Everything you say is analyzed to the point that when you give a critique on an album, if it's kind of like mushy middle, you're getting called out for it. You have to take a Thursday and we record credit. They think I hate Tyler. Like they think I hate him. And I'm like, because you were just like it's not like this last album.

Like it's the craziest idea that somebody can't like a Jordans. I have plenty of Jordans is some that I would never even look at. Right. I fucking hate them. Doesn't mean it's not probably the most greatest, most iconic sneak of all time. And that you don't have tons of them. but this is this is the this is the problem this is this is this is what makes it what you guys do challenging where like people really are weighing like because it because that's not what music

is a Thursday to Friday I don't even come on bro like I need more time with that to even show a possible review for sure it is so rare that I truly know after a day where I sit on an album I've changed on an hour if you heard on the podcast when I did my my breakdown of the clips at the listening but I'm like I can't give you a full review at a listening But what do you think about it now, though? They were four feet in front of me rapping along to every word. Oh yeah, like that is weird.

That's not a fair way to judge an album? Yeah, you can't. You can't. That's literally the artists are looking at you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lipsicking it to your face. Performing. They're performing for you.

And they're two of the greatest of all time. And I'm like, I'm not affected by that. Of course I'm affected. I don't know the song. There's only been one time I was correct leaving an album listening was Good Kid Mad City and we were in chunking studios

in the engineers. That's how intimate it was. And it was Kendrick rapping the album to push your tea. I left and said, this is the greatest album I've ever heard in my fucking life. Only time I've been right. And you were like, this is actually pretty close. It ended up being that. There's been so many listening sessions I walked out of like, nah, he got,

he got one. Yeah. Oh. And then it come out. And I'm like, what was I listened to? It was like, oh, he was rapping it to my face. That's what I was. And some of the songs, some of the production, they play so loud. Yeah. And you're not, you're like, okay. But then when you just hear it in regular life, you're like, this is a dud. Yeah. It's not hitting the same. Yeah. I, I, I, I, I, I, I think the album's great. Yeah. I think the Clips album is best album this year. Best out. I'd have to go back and decide how far back we want to go. But I've been seen that some people have cooled on it a bit like, oh, we got so hyped or I saw someone say the other day, oh, this Freddie Gibbs Alchemist. This is what people thought the Clips album was. People just got

gassed on it because the rollout was so big. Yeah. The album's fantastic. Yeah. It's among their best work. They've clearly developed. Yeah, absolutely. You know what I mean? Like, as much as we like to joke about the Coke bars, it is true that at a certain point, that can't be all like you do. You do have to truly evolve. And not that they didn't always have other stuff in there, but they've

now they've mastered the other stuff. Yeah. Like, the first record on the album is one of the most touching songs I've ever heard anyone. I just hate that they started that. I love that they started with that. That emotion is so heavy. It didn't take me into chains and whips. I'm still crying. I'm still wiping my face.

And change the whips comes on. Like, I just can't, that, that emotion switch to me is, it's just too drastic as old. But I love the record, though. And I think that's great. That's supposed, you're supposed to feel that way after a repast. All right, man, we grieve. It's time to move the fuck on in life.

Come on. Be a man. Be a man. I guess. But that's just a weird way to start an album for me. You see it being like a seven, eight, nine. If it's 14 tracks, give me that at number 12. I feel you.

I feel you. By the way, see, this is the point. We were just talking about, like, who does hip hop podcast? we're talking about track listing. Yeah. We do this every episode. If you're not talking about track listing. Yeah.

Are you a hip hop podcast? What are you fucking dope? You're not even a hip hop podcast. You don't have a track podcast. If you don't overuse the sequence, I don't want to talk to you. If you don't want to have a sequence in conversation, it's not. What are you talking about? What are you even talking about?

We could really get into a conversation about how many people are actually doing the true music conversation. You guys have real music conversation. Yeah. Which I respect the hell out of. I just feel like if you put that at the outro, like, you just leave the album. Not outro, not outro. Oh, in the middle, though.

I wouldn't know where you would put it. 11, 11, 12, right there. Don't make me sad in the middle of it. Let's, and when I say get this out the way, I don't mean it in a bad way. I think that song should win a Grammy. But yeah, let's start this way. Two brothers talking about their parents passing,

and then let's get to the shit. I hated that Stowe of God didn't have a verse on that record. But the hook is amazing. But the hook is basically a verse. It's so close to a verse. Because that I know what he can do with that much space in there.

Yeah, because of the truth. So, so, and I, you and I are clearly part of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the huge fan as well. Um, the verse would have been amazing. And I had the same thought, but for, for, for a lot of people, and let's be honest, most people came down on, I don't know who stove God is. Right. Mm-hmm. I think they came away more familiar with him because he's the hook. Mm-hmm. One verse, it's cool because he can stunt on you. Yeah. But the hook is what you're saying. Yeah. Like they got, they probably come away feeling more connected to Stove God because he did the hook. When we were talking,

when I'd said that I felt like stove off the last three Westside projects has turned into like the Griselda Nate dog. Mm-hmm. Like his hooks on all of West projects. Like those are the standouts. Yeah. Like his melodic shit is crazy, but I'm still with you.

He needed a fucking. He's the one guy. He's the one guy. The politics also, you don't know his situation. No, no, I get it. I get it. I get cleared. He's one of the guys that I'm waiting to sit and

talk to. I got a lot of questions. Why, but you're just fascinated with him as an emce? Oh, no. I mean, that's the easy part. But there's a lot of things around him as an artist that I know and that I look at and I'm just like, yo, what's going on, man? He's at an interesting journey to getting here too. The journey is like, Finn, what is going? What's, what's up? Well, yeah, I think I was first, I think the first time I ever heard Stodogod, Busta sent me the link to Stove God. That makes sense.

He was with rocking everybody. That was the first time that I heard him. He sent me like stove God and prayer at the same time. Okay. That's not right? Yeah. That's what I feel. Because reasonable drought was.

It was 2020. 2020. Yeah. That came out, I think, a week after we went on lockdown. Like the 26 or something, 27? Yeah. And we went on lockdown on 15th, March 15th, something like that. No, he's, he's fascinating.

He's dope. No, I love him. I just, his journey has been incredible. but there's a lot of things and, you know, I want to know about the dynamic between everybody. By the way, stove to me is the one out of that entire,

I don't want to call it the Grisel's the scene because it's more than just that. He's the one that I think can actually break out and be a superstar. I know that sounds insane. Oh, for sure. No, no, but stylistically that makes sense. I really think he would push the boundaries of that genre

and be the first superstar. I think, superstar. That's a tough word. is a lot. That's a lofty. Where do we start the line at Superstar? Well, don't get me started because I actually contradicted myself. Because I don't think Chris Rock is a superstar, but yeah, he, I remember that. Is that not one of the craziest shit you've ever heard? It was a tough moment. It was a tough moment. And he was like standing on it. I still stand on it. Well,

hold on. There was part of it I understood. What part did you understand? Didn't he say something like, if you saw him, you wouldn't be like, oh my God. Like, what was the, what was the, what was the there was a couple different points, but one of them being that like, like, the pandemonium and we saw him and added him to one of our tour videos because he just happened to be standing right outside there he carries himself in an unsuperstar like way i will say that like chapelle superstar gives when he shows up it's like oh like you can see the hubbub around when chapelle walks into a place yeah i don't think chris does that but i he's still a super like i still think chris rocks a super comedy

Yes, he is. In comedy. I think Chris Rock, they were trying to tell me he was an A-lister in the world. Comedy, are you about to tell me, no, Chris Rock is a superstar in comedy. Okay.

He's the status quote, like he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, I'm saying, I said, all right, put Tom Cruise and Chris Rock, they're in the same sentence? No. What's wrong with being a B-lister? Okay, but he's, oh, that was what I came down to,

using the word B-list, but B-list has a feeling connoted with it. B-list, B-list, he's never, you can't host the fucking Oscars in B-Lis. Yeah, I think B-List is tough. Okay, so that's, that's tough. Okay, so because Shane Gillis hosted the S-Bs, he's in the same. Aspen says, LeBron, J-Bs. Espys is not the Oscars. No, the SB is not, I love ESPN.

Yeah, absolutely. Great company. Great company. S-Bes ate the Oscars. No. Not even close. And great movie with Shane, though. That was fucking hilarious.

Why? I have, I've had just a lot of mixed feelings about Shane. Why? It wasn't hilarious. It had good moments. Okay. I thought the awkwardness in the bombs made it even funnier. So sometimes I agree.

What annoyed me was people, you can't tell me someone killed. Don't say they killed if there's not great laughter in the room. That's not killing. Okay. It might be innovative and interesting and brilliant. And it went over their heads. You can't say they killed when I hear like a glass drop in the background.

Even if it's awkward, it's like, even if it was intentionally awkward, he was paying homage to Norm McDonald. Yeah. That's great. But like at the time, just because other comedians all like love what Norm did, that doesn't mean he killed at the time. Okay. God bust the dead. Right. Absolutely. It's interesting, but it's not killing. Superstar A list killed. Yes. I would not say Shane Gillis killed. I would definitely not say. Oh, I thought it was very funny. Oh, I thought it was hilarious. But no, he did not kill. My, my problem is, is everything he did plus everyone falling out of their seats laughing. So exactly. So, so, so Shane Gillis. to me is super talented and and I see why people really like him. Okay. Like I, I, I, I,

I, he has moments that I think are really funny. His SNL hosting, the sketches he's in, like, shanguiless is good. Furthermore, I, because what this is going to be relevant with what I, say afterwards. I think he seems like a good dude. Right. I'm not, I'm not, I don't think there's some air that I don't like about him. Yeah. However, I do think he is a, Among the comedians who a lot of their shit that they're doing right now is the funny come second after Watch Me Push This Boundary.

Okay. And I don't think that at all about Shane. I think the comedians he hangs out with, yes, but I don't think that's Shane at all. That was that night, bro. That was at the S-Bushing the boundaries. Oh, my, there was a bunch. Are you going to tell me that saying that

Carl Anthony Towns is here, Hey, girl, is like a great joke? Like, I left. Well, you did, because you're a shit. talker. I'm not saying like if someone said on the corner, we laugh at it. It's not Richard Priser. No, no, it's not prior. I get that. Okay, but also it's the SPs where no, I didn't want him to give me a full fucking one hour special type of bit. Like the point of hosting a show is quick quick punchlines of who's in the crowd. Yeah, I didn't need him to give me a Richard prior

fucking cooking, uh, free base cocaine type of. No, no, no. Fair enough. Fair enough. Right. I want everyone to bear in mind. This involves complex thought and nuance. So this isn't very internet. Yeah. Again, I think he's a good dude. I don't think his intention is bad. But I think a lot of the like, oh my God, I'm a white guy and I'm going to say this joke about black people.

While we might think it's funny and laugh because it's a good joke and we appreciate it, that you cannot deny a certain part of, he knows it's appealing. to a certain crowd that is giddy to see a white man make jokes about black people in 2025. That edge were fighting back against the wokeness. It's baked in there and he knows it's working. I'm not saying it makes it all not funny. I'm not saying I'm offended by it. I'm just saying I see it.

And I see everyone doing it. It's like, oh my God, look. Can you believe I'm willing to say? Now listen, compared to the other ones out there, the hinge cliffs, the Schultz is the blub. he's way more talented, way funnier, and I think could probably have an entire career where he doesn't do it at all. But he is doing it.

And it's winning for him. But I think that's authentic to Shane, whereas maybe Ari Sheffir will sit and think, like, what can I do that would offend a person at this exact time of who should be attacked that is being protected right now? It is more sincere. No, I really think Shane is just a big white guy from Pennsylvania,

and this is exactly how he thinks, and I thinks he balances it perfectly. I don't think he picks a specific group I think he goes at everybody and does it in a pretty tasteful way even when he makes even when he calls somebody gay

like it's funny but it has some tasteful and there's a background behind it more or less I just I guess I guess my feeling is and again I know when people hear this they're just going to call me a fucking snowflake and I can't take a joke I don't think anything's funny

all bullshit it's a it's a it's a false narrative that the only way to be edgy is to be white and make jokes about minority groups. You know what I'm saying? I agree with that. You want to see,

Egy, go watch Ricky Jervais at the Golden Globes five years ago. We can talk about Engi afterwards. Yeah, that was crazy. But no one gets bent out of shape about that because he wasn't a white guy with the audacity to make jokes about black people

or gay people. They might be in there. But that wasn't what it was aimed at. His real aim was knocking people in Hollywood down the pay and talking about the fucking Epstein and Weinstein's shit. So like, no one talks about that because that doesn't get white middle

America going off the Shane made a Epstein joke in the SBA? He did. It was very, and that was a funny one that got crickets. And now, listen, part of that is, let's be honest, guys, athletes don't all have the best sense of humor. Yeah. They don't. I'm sorry, it's a tough. I agree with you. Athletes very rarely know more

than anything outside of their sports. So like when it starts to get kooky, they don't even know where to go. Not until they start to retire, do they get into other things, other areas, but when they're young and entrenched in their sport, they don't know about Shilbert Arenas. No. That's why I love, that's why I are wrestling frankly because athletes I found athletes to be often boring to interview and then

wrestlers are amazing because they're athletic but they're also actors and they're also crazy they're crazy they want to perform they they have a lot more to give you than just like I'm really good at ball wrestlers have to be athletic and and entertaining and entertaining athletes you could be the most boring boring as fuck yeah like kawai leon comes sit right here for two hours and not say and he still can go out and be the best in the world. Absolutely. You can't do that if you're a wrestler. No.

No, I was a question. How do wrestling scripts like come about? How do they decide like who is going to be the champ? Well, it's funny you ask that because they literally just dropped a show two days ago called Unreal where they're peeling back the curtain for the first, like truly peeling back for the first time. I mean, it's a, it's a process. It's a writing team. I mean, it starts with Triple H essentially as the as the, uh,

chief of content, the chief content officer. But then after that, it's a writing team and then producers and the wrestlers. And it's a long process. Is it like Hollywood where like, all right, somebody may be talented. They get one shot. And if they do really well at that, all right, let's put them in more movies. For sure. Is it like that?

Okay. Yes. And I wasn't sure if they just pick somebody like, all right, this is going to be our guy. More often than not, something organically happens first. They have a moment like that in the show that just aired. where they go up to J. Uso, Triple H goes to J. Uso and is like, A, you're catching fire right now.

And Jay Uso's like, uh, and he's like, this is right before the Royal Rumble, which for people who don't know, the Royal Rumble is big battle royal with everybody in it. Whoever wins gets a match at WrestleMania for the title. The week of the the week of the Royal Rumble,

Triple H goes to J. Uso and is like, we're about to put the rocket on your back. And J.U.S. was like, all right, all right. And he's like, everything you've ever wanted. He doesn't, doesn't say what it is. He just says everything you ever wanted. Are you ready? You can't, if I put the rocket on your back, you cannot fumble the ball. It's this time. And James was like, I got you. I got you. They dab and walk away. He never says you're winning the Royal Rumble.

He never says you're going on to win the title. Right, right. But it's clear that moment is like, are you ready for it? That's how YouTube conspiracy theorists think the Illuminati conversation goes. Like, are you back to the young? Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Uncle slowmo. Sacrifice someone from your solo. She decided on what happens

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that for the first time. I actually, I thought it was. I got that wrong. Listen to the Nick, Dick, and Paul show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, into wrestling, we lost the iconic Hulk Hogan this past week. And, you know, naturally, people went online and brought up the whole, Hulk Hogan is a racist and the things he said in regards to who he would want his daughter to date. What is your position on that thought that Hulk Hogan is a race? Should white women date black men? No, no, no, but here's why I asked you because I saw an interesting, I saw an interesting clip of Booker T.

Yeah. And somebody asked him if they felt, if he felt like Hulk Hogan, Booker Tee the wrestler. Okay. And somebody asked him if he felt like Hulk Hogan was a racist. And if people don't know, Booker T, Hall of, he's probably in the rest of the Hall of Fame. Legendary wrestler, 60-old black man from Louisiana. And by the way, my dude. let's just it's just fair to say he may have experienced racism at some point in his life i guess so if

somebody's talking to book a t about hulk hogan and do they think he's a racist i'm gonna listen because this is bookerty who spent who worked with him he spent personal time around him for years and the story that he gave about hoke hogan and he was like you know he may have used the word around me one time but he said but he said hogan used it because they were using it with each other and he looked at each other like it wasn't a color thing they were all brothers and he said hogan somebody i think macho man asked him uh hogan do you do you think uh do you think you're or do you think something like that they were at the cafeteria or whatever eating and he was like well if i am i'm a cool like that like it was like they didn't the word didn't even mean anything because he

knows the man the priest has said things that hogan did from on a personal level how he was with his family and things like the man at Hulk Hogan was, he said, absolutely, I don't think Hulk Hogan was racist. Was that, that was this week after he passed? This was after, I heard it after he passed. And he was kind of, I think he was speaking as of Hogan had passed. So this was a recent interview. So I just thought that that was an interesting perspective because, again, here's somebody

who knows this man, who knew the Hulk Hogan, the man, not the icon and the wrestler, knew him behind the scenes, away from the cameras. to me that's what really speaks to a person's class personality things like that like okay if I hear a clip of you saying I don't want my daughter to date and no no if she does you got to be eight foot tall a hundred million dollars whatever whatever the fuck you say when he wasn't in the cafeteria with the fellas right no he was not

but what I'm saying is away from away from that again here's Booker T black man from Louisiana spend way more personal time around Hogan who has his perspective like no I don't think Hoke Hogan was a racist So, so it's, it's a, it's a super interesting subject. Again, not one that lends itself to, you know, short clips on the internet. I, I think that the Hogan tape was about as bad a tape as I've ever heard released of anyone. Not that, not the, not the, not the, not the sex tape. Sex tape was worse.

That was a really offensive one. Yeah. My man, you're gonna... Anyways, the man, I got in trouble. Everyone's going through a tough time. Yeah, yeah. But the things that are said on it certainly hurt me,

and I'm just a white guy who is offended by racism, right? I'm obviously not a black person. I have a lot of black friends who love wrestling, who like, I can tell you right now, it really hurt them. Like in a long term,

fucked up their childhood. I have so many positive thoughts about this person. The words were so hurtful. And they, and I think all of us who were hurt by it, collectively wanted that moment when he really took like this clean ownership of it. Yeah. Because he had moments where he apologizes. To be clear, he did.

He did. But it always was kind of this air of like, I messed up. That's not me, brother, I swear. Yeah. It wasn't the clear. I hurt people. What I said was unacceptable.

And I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and show how much I feel bad. By X amount of work in the community. By giving all turkeys on things. I'm going to give literal money, time. I'm going to go with young Gizi and give out turkeys in Atlanta. Whatever the thing is, though. We can laugh about it, but like you've got to do the things. Whatever it is.

Yes. And by the way, to me the main thing was, and I used the word on my show last week, eat shit. But when I say eat shit, what I mean is that interview couldn't come looking at a white woman on Good Morning America like he did it. Right. He had to go on a black platform and look a black person in the eyes and have that conversation. In my opinion, that to me would have really went a long way of having that tough conversation with a person who was hurt by it. And that never happened. Like that never happened.

Exactly. Exactly. That's the exact way. That went great. I was thinking about Mark Furman and Oprah. Because that's the craziest interview I've ever seen in my fucking life. I don't remember that. YouTube that tonight.

That's the craziest interview of all. Really? Yes. Oprah's like, I was really offended. And he's like, why would anyone think I'm racist? Yo. So, so, so precisely. I think, I think because those things didn't happen, a lot of people are still very hurt by that.

And I really think everyone has the right to be as hurt by something is there. I just thought that book of team perspective was. But is it, here's my question. Is it consequential? My dad used to always say to me, but I always admired Howard Stern's radio acumen, obviously, like a lot of the bits that he did were offensive and not for me. but I learned a lot of what I do in terms of being transparent,

always being honest on the air. If it's funny, you say it, if it's good. I learned a lot from him. My dad never fucked with him for a variety of issues that he heard him talk about. My dad, my dad makes, well, my dad decides, he decides.

Yeah. Didn't like him. And I remember being like, but dad, I've heard that he's a really good guy. And my dad was like, it doesn't matter. It only matters what you put into the world. You being a good guy when you're private,

at home is kind of inconsequential. What are you putting out to the world? And so unfortunately, I think that what Hogan ended up putting out to the world was so bad in that moment and never quite atoned for in a way that satisfied people that... I mean, to be fair, he didn't put that out.

No, but he sued Gawker. It also wasn't being a good guy in his home at the time either. It didn't seem like, although I don't know what the hell the situation was. That feels like the whole thing was weird. I don't think that was as simple as it sounds. Yeah, no. There was some.

There was something going on. There was some weird shit going on. Oh, yeah. I mean, either way. Either way. That was said behind closed doors about somebody's daughter was trying to take. Like, yeah. That says as home as it gets.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, that part. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Listen, I'm, I'm sad. I don't, I really don't like to define people by their worst moment or their best moment. Hogan is a super, to me, it's a complicated, he's a complicated figure. He's the reason. He's a major reason that it's such a big part of my life.

I mean, if you grew up in the 80s, he is the reason you watched wrestling. There's like, you were so, as a kid, there was something. I saw some bad takes this week moving around, by the way. There were some, I saw some people just like, like, there are so many takes you can have about Hogan that are interesting. Like talking about the race stuff. Even asking the question you ask. Because, like, obviously, Booker has the right to feel the way he feels. I know black wrestlers who certainly do not feel that way.

So like it totally depends. Everyone has their own right in a moment like this. But some people just like the lazy takes about him. Like at the very least it's worth looking at. I heard some people say he's the most American thing. And I think that's a really interesting way to put it. He like he had all the potential in the world. He made a ton of money.

He stepped on people on his way. He didn't take ownership of the shit that he did wrong. That's American. He then pretended like it was all good. Let me sell this beer. like it's all super america he's he's he's the dallas cowboys he's the dallas cowboys like it's all we are yeah yeah he does represent america and it's false and it's positivity right it makes you feel good and at the same time cringe like it's all all there but like but a legend nonetheless

oh and i i personally separate him a bit like guys listen Kanye west is an avowed Nazi at this point. Didn't he take it out of his rhymes last week? Well, what about the Hell Hitler song? Is that still out? You talk about old shit. Yeah, yeah. Come on, begin with the times, man.

That's old shit. Literally like two days ago. Wasn't he in like North Korea or some shit? And he changed, he moved. He moved to Japan, I believe, right? Is he in, oh, no wonder I heard Japan's about to start restricting their visitors. He's because of Kanye. Yeah, he took out the Nazi line and, um, uh, flashing lights.

What was the last? I'm not going to say either of the words that are in that. I don't, I don't remember either way. I was going to say this though. Kanye West is basically a Nazi at this point. And if my man had a good apology tour and just didn't say shit bad for like six months, I would be playing the shit in the crib again.

Like we want to forgive. We want to forgive the people whose stuff that we love. I don't want to, I don't want to hate Kanye. Like people think I get pleasure out of when I have to call a shit out. And like, you think I get, you know, I bought tickets to his concert. Like I didn't just, most everybody I've seen for 15 years I got comps for. Right.

Kanye, I forked over money to go to concerts. Like I'm a, right. I was a fan. I bought the sneakers. He's the biggest artist in my life period. I was from 1990. He is the biggest artist in my life. In your personal life.

Yep. Yeah. None of us want to be mad at that person. Yeah. Like, when I, when they asked me to go to fucking Wyoming, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, wanted to go. Yeah. And my brain, I'm like, oh, man, this sounds fucking cool. People just hang out and listen to music. Get to meet.

Fucking campfire with Chappelle. Hang out with Kanye and Dave Chappelle. Yeah. But he would already gotten on the weird shit. And I was like, I can't go. This guy just said the slavery was a choice bullshit. And this is before the Jew shit even started. Right. So like, I take no pleasure in that. And by point is this is the same with Hogan. I just wished, even though Hogan, they're different. But I just wish it had been cleaned up. I wish when he passed, I didn't have like a feeling of mixed feelings. I wish I just felt sad.

Are you asking if someone just goes on a press run after and apologizes? Like the way Kramer went on. So I'll tell you what. Kramer had a hell of an apology recently, though. I'm saying his first one when Jerry signed out. Who was the one? With Letterman? Was that Letterman?

And Kramer zoomed in before Zoom was a thing. And he said, I offended some Afro-Americans. And we're like, Kramer, this is worse. Stop what you're doing. Over Zoom. Oh, I'm taking a recent one. No, no, this was right after that footage leaked at the laugh factory. And you know what he ended up doing, though?

The- Kramer literally disappeared for the better part of 10 years. And then did curb. And then did curb. And then when he came back now, I saw an interview with him like a year ago. He put a book out or something. He literally now talks with like a whole different tone and like everything he says is like- He did ayahuasca.

I think he did Iowa. He's fair. So I'm saying. He had a reset. Kramer was not my example. I'm saying, is he supposed to just Kanye, Hulk Hogan, if he was a last? live, just go on a press run and be like, I didn't mean it?

No. And then it's like, oh, no, no. You good. No, I'm being a little tongue in cheek when I say that. I would want it to be like an, my point is though, even Kanye where it was about, because by the way, people are always different about their own group versus everyone else. I'm just trying to point out, the Hogan shit hurt me. Yeah.

The Kanye shit hurts me. Yeah. I would have forgiven Hogan. Mm-hmm. I would still forgive Kanye. Mm-hmm. That being said, it doesn't look like there's any chance he's ever going to get healthy enough to do that? Because to your point, no, it could not just be a rollout. He couldn't do a clips press

run. And in the interview with, you know, Elliot and DJ head, he says he's good and then all of a we're good. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if it was a real like over time putting your money where your mouth is really showing change, and you see that he's gotten healthy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's not well. Most important. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying I would be willing to. And I think if you're a Jewish fan of hip hop and you loved Kanye, you probably, you probably, you're really hoping deep down one day he finds his fucking mind and you don't have these feelings anymore because it sucks yeah yeah i just don't even know how many yeasies have been wasted have you seen the price you've been on stock eggs and look the easies yeah they're pretty cheap right

oh my god you're sitting they're all sitting just go to journal square in in jersey city you could just walk into any of those random you're sitting there yeah yeah but i guess my question there more was to the public like how can someone really go on a apology press run at this point with how people can talk on the internet because even if Kanye smoked that and was sincere is it going to work for one half i think so if it was a life change it would eventually it would you have to see it can't just be it can't just be the interview it has to be when you see him now away from the interview in life how he's moving around just moving different you can just tell he's healthy it would take years yeah yeah yeah it could happen yeah yeah yeah absolutely speaking from someone that watched hunter Biden do it to our

podcast and i was sitting there like and now you want him to become the democratic uh nominally he just like cracking hose. Why was I even mad at this guy? Like, he became, he became human to you. Like, damn, is this working on me? By the way, I, and I, I didn't even watch the thing yet, and I was never mad at Hunter Biden. I mean, he was, I was never mad at Hunter Biden. But, but you're like, why was this an issue? Yeah, I didn't even know. The gun was a little weird. Listen, man, Second Amendment. Yeah, but I thought all the crack that he had was the weird to me, just all that crack. What about the Coke in the White House stuff? When you left the

that's fine, that's fine. And then nobody act like, nobody. And nobody. in the White House figure out where that came from. That was the most amazing part of the we looked at the cameras. We don't know how this Coke got it to. Y'all know how that shit. The President's fucking son brought it in there. This is where I can't agree with you there. The amount of people that do cocaine at the White House, to think it was Hunter Biden. That's a stretch? It could have been his dad to stick his ass back up to do a speech.

It was a Biden. It was one of the Bidens. It came in with the Biden. You don't think every White House aide no matter what party, no matter what party, what year, there was somebody that does not do cocaine frequently during the day. Oh, no, for sure. Frequently, always in every White House, is there someone doing cocaine? Yes. Yes, somebody's microdose in cocaine. I guarantee at every hour of every day at the White House, when did the shit open? Somebody was doing cocaine. Every hour you're going with in the history of the White House. Yes. Someone's doing cocaine. 100%. Yeah. I, I, that's like one of the only things I'd stand on 100%. No matter what, you could literally kill me if this is false.

I'm pushing back on this. I think for every time we hear a Kendrick record on power, somebody's doing a line in the White House. That's a, I really, I don't know, man. But the thing is, I haven't been around cocaine very much. So it's obviously more frequent than I'm aware of. I have not seen a lot of Coke in my life. And I know it's getting done.

Because Cokeheads are very sneaky. I know. But like getting into the white. house is just like a certain level that you have to be at to even get your clearance i'm not saying it doesn't happen but it happens i'm sure i think every hour's wrong i think you are patly wrong okay every hour i'm going to every hour in the white house somebody in the white house is doing a while i was underselling it i was going to go every 30 minutes how many people i guarantee you in the white house all right working i think there's a lot of people that work in a white yeah but how many are you

thinking over a hundred um i mean sure including secret service i you think your service doing cocaine also i think they need to do it it opens a third eye they're probably on the lesser side of it but I think every like person on the staff in there yeah there's a high I'd say about 150 to 60 people work there so that I would say I would say at least 10 people out of that 160 are doing cocaine frequently during the entirety I think this is part of the disconnection that we have between how like people see Washington and how it actually is like me and safe have had arguments about this. It is not as crazy. Now, right now

different conversation, because the White House currently is not filled with people who actually are of that world. It is filled with probably lunatic Cokeheads who were doing Fox News a year ago doing Coke and now they're in the White House. But previously, these are generally lifetime Washington types.

Like, I know those types and I don't mean to blow up everyone's stereotypes and fun conspiracy theories. Most of them are really nerdy and work really fucking hard. And that is how they get there. For the most part, even in previous Republican administrations, I would say that. We are

currently in the wow-while West. I don't know what is going on. But prior to that, in my experience, growing up in Washington, knowing mad people who worked in the White House and on the Hill, it is more boring than you're giving a credit. Okay. You are, all right, I'm not making a Washington thing or a White House thing. The

AIDS and the people that work in that, I'm not saying every senator is doing Coke. I'm saying the people that work there. I worked in an advertising agency in Tribeca. Way different. I was literally the only person. I was, I was very vanilla and numb to Coke. Like, I didn't know much better pay those people. I didn't even know. I was like, wait, I didn't, I didn't know this many people did cocaine. Yeah, but you weren't advertising. That's literally like people are having drinks at 11 a.m. too. I guess a different observation. And before that, I was at Def Jam when I was at a lower level. Then, after advertising, Pod took off a little bit,

started getting into some mixes. I said, I didn't know everybody in the music business was doing Coke too. I found all of this out as I was going. So to say that people have to work 24 hours out the day with some of the craziest human beings are not on cocaine at all times. It's insane to say. That'd be the place that would have the Coke. I hear you. Our advertising company didn't need it. Right. I just don't think that Washington is previously till now. They were just having gay sex in a what was that shit? That came on. What was that? What floor was that? Wherever the Senate was. Senate, yeah. Who? Who? Who was having sex?

Remember, you don't remember that video came out? Was that during the pandemic? And by the way, you don't have to call it gay sex. It was just sex. Yeah, but gay people were having it. It's like if two, if a gay couple has dinner, we're going to a gay dinner. It just crossed my mind. I'm not trying to be that guy.

It only crossed my mind right now when Rory said it. Yeah, yeah. Like the term gay sex should be dead. And then I stopped my, sex is actually offensive turn. Then my liberal mind kicked in and I actually stopped. I was like, he's fucking right. Because if a man and woman was fucking in there, I would have said,

yo, they was fucking in there. Yeah. So really people are fucking, you know they're gay. So you know it's bad. Because gay sex is different. It's different. And gay's love Coke. Right.

Had to be. Oh, man. Yo, Pete, man. Thank you for coming through, man. This is how we're closing? Yeah. Hey, it's a great to be the father. Absolutely.

Congrats. Yeah, we're supposed to have our whole wholesome father conversation. Two dads. He just did a trip. I did my first. Yeah, no, listen, we should, we should wrap it up on the gay sex. straight sex. No, I am a dad.

It's a lot of fun. I fucking love it. Yeah. It's everything everybody said, Ma, you have kids too? No, not yet. That's what I thought. Okay.

No kid. You have enough nieces and nephews, though, to know. It's a whole game. Have you traveled with them before? Not all at one time. No, that would be very expensive

and a big headache. So literally the worst thing. It's, I will just, I just realize that, like, when I was carrying around this amount of stuff, I'm just like,

I realized that the difference between me and the successful and very rich people that I know is, If you don't know the life of trying to maneuver your kid stuff onto the plane. Like if you do some shit with private jets. Yeah, yeah. You don't know.

Yeah. Or like, or you go to that clearance part of the airport where they like take your stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. If you don't know that regular, deggler.

Yeah. You're just hoping your baby stops making noise on the plane. You don't want to interrupt anybody. Oh, my God. And then, and then by the way, so like, we're flying again in a few weeks. The amount of work that I'm doing to transfer points. so I can upgrade us to business class because that business class

international. Oh, yeah. Listen, I don't know about you guys. Yeah. I personally, I don't make $20 million a month on Patreon. You know what I mean? I'm out here living a regular life. Neither does other people.

Neither does anybody. Someone say neither does anybody. But if you're a regular person, even if you're doing well, actually here's the point where I don't relate to you anymore. If you see that the upgrade to business, says your ticket went from 1,200 to 6,000.

And that does it make you go, well, business class was an interesting idea. Right. I don't relate to you anymore. Right. Because the idea that all of a sudden my trip's going to go from being, I spent three grand for us to fly to 15 grand for us to fly. That's not,

I don't know how rich I'd have to get where I wouldn't care. Right. I really don't know. Right. I hope I find out. Right. But yeah, the amount of finagling I'm doing on my next trip,

transfer points over here. Let me get these. because bro, the lap infant thing is great. You can bring your baby on the plane with you. Right. But then you're stuck sitting next to two people with the baby. It is, Rory. Yeah.

No, I've been, wait until you try to finesse that your daughter's passport is wrong and she's actually younger. I did that to Florida. No, you didn't. How do you try to finesse that, though? Don't they look at it? No, I try. It didn't work.

They saw it. I'm my father's son. I try to find any scam in anything. They looked like she's too old. this? Because I did, I was the first, Amara had just, because its lap is up till two, two. So she just turned two. We went down to Florida. And I was like, I can get away with this. Brought her passport, because we have clear. And before, clear before, they never asked for Amar's passport. No, no, you just walked through. You just walked through. So they stopped us and did Amar's thing. They're like,

wait, does she need to have clear? She doesn't need clear, does she? No, but they asked for all of all of them. They asked for my ID, key is ID, everyone's ID. And they were like, she, she was, she. And they were like she doesn't have a ticket she's two years old i was like bitch and you had to go buy one right then oh wow that hurts you yeah that's that's that's but i wasn't mad the chances of clear doing that are so low that i really thought i could get away with this the scam was kind of worth me trying yeah yeah you try you try you try you're in the front myers florida it wasn't that crazy yeah come on bro but i'd say the the the baby thing has been wait till you're in a mexico city airport for 11 hours with a hangover after your birthday and then sit middle seat economy with

your one year old daughter and talk to me. What do you do? What do the people do, by the way, once the kid, so let's say you do well in life and you do pay for business class. Cool. You finally dealt with it. You look around.

You're like, I paid, I pay, yeah, it's damn three grand for me and my wife to fly first class, but I do it. Now you've got to buy another one once the babies, two years and two days. And you know nothing gets me madder in the world that when like, if I'm stuck in coach and I walk past,

like I went for an upgrade. They didn't have it. It's too expensive. Like I said, you have that flight where it's like $5,000. I'm like, I can't do it. I'll get the best coach seat I can get. It's all I can do.

And you're walking through first class and there's like a six year old and their own first class seat. Oh yeah. And I'm like I didn't, yo guys, I swear to God. I didn't touch first class. I swear to God, I was, I might have already touched 40 before I got in a first class. Never. Until this podcast, I never touched first class.

Never. And it's part of your life. You're like, my parents would. First class. If my parents don't do Southwest, they score. Okay. We drove. We drove to Florida.

Yeah, bro. So like that whole thing, and then when you see a little kid who's flopping around in the seat looking like a baby Chris Farmy, I'm like, look at this kid. He doesn't know. He doesn't even know. Yeah.

So I used to think that all the time too. And then in the beginning, when I didn't have to have Amara as a second seat, I was like, I'm doing the same thing though. Why is my toddler in first class? Now she's too. She's never getting a fucking first class. No, no, no.

That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's why to Florida, we were flying economy. That's you have to. No, or here's what you have to do. Isn't there a situation what you could do is you get two first class seats, one coach seat.

Ah, I like that strategy. You and your daughter sit in first class when the flight takes off. Because I'm the man and you're the man and you're more important. Yeah, way more important. You did everything. Yeah. And then once you're up in the air, I feel like your wife can just come and sit with you and put your daughter on her lap unless it's a moment where they say, to buckle up.

Yeah. And then you can basically all hang out in first class. Yeah. And then when it's time to land. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways.

You can hear musings like this on the WANF podcast. Wadap is life wherever you find podcast. Shout out to WANEP. Yes. Cipher Sounds. Pete, thank you for coming through. Matt,

for like this conversation was long overdue. I'm glad we got to finally have it. It was really long. Yeah. Definitely long and overdue. No, I really appreciate it. Proud of you guys. You all are doing your thing.

Thank you. I'm going to shame you into coming this little brother show. Yeah, I really, I really should go. That's going to be amazing. And I thank you guys for being some of the very few people who I don't hate on when I see you on the internet. I just enjoy your stuff. Yes, man. That's positive.

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