New Rory & MAL - Checking In With Trevor Jackson

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Rory and Mal check in with Trevor Jackson to talk his new EP "I Love You, Goodbye", landing a recurring role on Grey's Anatomy, and if being too talented is a hindrance on his career #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today we have a special guest. Yes, sir. Now, Roy, this guest here, he's a very unique guest. He's like, you know, he's a child prodigy, child star. singer, dancer, songwriter, actor, probably models on the weekends. But he's a guy that I'm a fan of. I've been watching him for a long time. And he's here with us today.

And he's in one of your favorite shows this upcoming season. He will be on Grey's Anatomy. Of course. Today we are joined by the talented Trevor Jackson. Thank you, man. Thank you so much. I was an incredible. I feel great after that introduction.

No, no, I mean. Sometimes you forget who you are and then someone says somebody has to give you your flowers. I appreciate it. No, but you're just so. somebody that just in watching, you know, film and obviously Broadway, been seeing you throughout the years, watched you grow up, but to see what you're doing now and see the things that you're doing your career and still at it, it's good to see black men.

Thank you, yeah, man. Always doing good things and always sticking to what they want to do. So it's a pleasure to meet you, man. Thank you, man. Nice to meet you guys, too, man, fan of the shows. New music out? New music out. We was talking about it tomorrow.

Tomorrow. It's called I Love You. It's an EP. it's the first of a series that leads up to the album. The album is, am I allowed to say the album title? Why not? The album is, I love you, goodbye, the greatest breakup album of all time. The greatest breakup album of all time.

Hold on, let's backtrack. How did we get to the greatest breakup album of all time? Yeah, we can't just call it that. Where did that? Where did the inspiration come from? Unless you had the greatest breakup of all time. No, that's what I'm saying. To me, it's the greatest breakup of all time.

So I called it that. Why is that? I wrote it so close to my breakup in such a, honest way. Okay. Yeah. Did she hear it yet? Yeah.

What did she say? Like, what's her feedback? They're not really any. She said changed that bridge. That was like, she probably heard some of it. You know what I'm saying? But he went from she heard it to she heard someone. She made it wrong.

That means he changed the couple records. So look, we weren't even talking right. But before my surgery, I was scared. And I was like, what if I just, you know, I get nervous about doctors here? And I was like, what if something happened? So I sent it before my surgery was like, hey. And then she was like, you know, it's going to be okay. basically being like, you know, that's it, whatever.

Yeah. Okay. But I love you goodbye. It was the last thing she said to me on the phone. And that's why I made me. Like right before you're about to have surgery. No, no. This was like a quick text.

But on the phone, when we, last time we spoke, ever spoke, she was like, I love you goodbye. And I was like, this hurts me, but also incredible album title. How do you just hang the phone up on I love you goodbye to somebody that you was with? Like, is it like, is it like, is that the closure? Like that was it. That was it. And that's it made sense to me. It's like, yeah, we love each other.

But this ain't right. Goodbye. Yeah. That's healthy. Do you take accountability on this greatest, greatest breakup of all time? What do you mean, take accountability? The sentence. In what way?

In what way? Do you take accountability on the EPs and leading up to the project of your role in the relationship? Yeah, 100%. And again, nobody did one thing or the other. It just, it just wasn't right. And I'm the type of guy. I feel like I would have held on forever, you know what I'm saying? and I was, you know, I'm like, this is it, this is my...

So I'm glad that it happened because when I am now, I would go through the pain again a million times. I tore my Achilles also two weeks after we broke up, I tore my Achilles. So I was a really... Right? That's what everybody was saying. Or sometimes you purposely have to hurt yourself

to see if she'll visit you in the hospital. No, I know what Tom, I didn't say. He went up the core and just went. It's not as... Let's see if she liked me. It's not as traumatic as what Lamar did in the bunny ranch. Like, he just killed himself and came back to life. Like, we're not going to do that.

It worked though. It worked. Tomorrow would have got his girl back. Absolutely. So Trevor, talk to us about what is it like growing up in front of the camera, man? Like you play young Simba in the line, King. I mean, you got that on your resume. Everybody's ears are perking up at that point.

But what is it like to come up in this industry as a child, grow up, become a man, go through everything in front of the camera. Like, what's that experience like? Life is hard enough as it is. So you add that. It's definitely going to be a little harder. But I'm thankful to have the family that I have and support you. system that I had that I never, I was never too concerned about people's opinion of me.

And I feel like a lot of people in my position are always on the front. What are they saying? Are they talking about me or they're being, like, I just, you don't care about social media. No, huh. Okay. Like, the only reason, that's why I started doing the T-Mix is because I hated social media so much and everybody that I met were like, you got to be, have social media presence. I was like, the only thing I feel comfortable doing, people seeing me do is music, you know,

so I started doing the T-mixes and that's kind of how that came about. But yeah, I, I'm thankful that I'm so loved and I'm so supported by. my family and my team that, you know, I don't create for any, anybody's approval, you know what I'm saying? But what was Broadway like as a kid? It was amazing. Just being in that environment, as a child has to be overwhelming as fuck. Was that your first ever Broadway or stage theater?

No, so the first thing I did was this thing called the Beef and Boards Christmas show when I was 11 years, when I was seven years old. Okay. That was in Indiana. It was like a local thing, but it was equity. Like it was a professional job, right, on stage. And then while I was doing that, everybody was like, you should do Lion King. You should do Lion King.

I auditioned It was an open auditioned 5,000 kids It was like a giant 5,000 And I remember being there You know, we're waiting, whatever I auditioned Didn't think I was gonna get it

They called me And I was one of the youngest That they've ever hired You know, they wait till they were like nine or ten But I was like eight Like I just turned eight But what's that what's that Like you getting that call that you were

I'm screaming There's a video of it right At eight years old That has to be like It's nuts So I didn't get that call right So my mom knew and she had a dinner at my grandmother's house.

God rest my grandmother's social. She just passed away. But we were all there just sitting. And then she's like, so, Trev, just want to say, we're going to have to leave soon because you're going to be like it. And I'm saying, no. You know what I'm saying. That's such a mom way to do it.

I'm running up, grabbing, jumping on her. Like, yeah, man. And I felt like we did it, you know, because she, right before that, we had gotten to a car accident, like, really bad. I was, like, paralyzed for a few days. My spine was bruised, so I couldn't move. And this was maybe, like, a week or two. before my mom was like, because we were debating.

She was like, I don't know if he really wants it. Is he just a kid saying this? But after the accident, after I was good, she's like, no, we're going. We're going to go. That's dope. How did she and your family balance that entire thing of you? It wasn't easy. My dad was like, you're taking my son away.

You know, my dad's family. You know, it's like, you're just stealing her, you know? And she's like, this is what he wants, you know? And she, my mom always did good of asking me always. You still having fun? You still want to do this? Like, if you don't want to, we go home. I'm like, what?

It's the best time I've ever had. like picture getting to go to a park or a playground, but in every city. Yeah. Every city I get to go to. I'm going state parks, learning about new ways of, you know, how people live in different cities. It was dope. It was a training also for my hard work and my work ethic, you know.

We had eight shows a week, but because we were young, we could only do four and four, but if the other kid is sick, I have to do all eight shows, you know? And if I didn't get to perform, I'm mad. Like, if he's performing, I'm like, I want to be on stage. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So that's something you always wanted. Yeah.

I love it. How did you fall into music? Was music a big? part of your family? My family, movies and music. You know, they always just are watching movies, always well-rounded with the type of music that they were listening to.

Go from Elton John to the real Brian McKnight to, you know what I mean, it was just very... Brian McKnight. You're a little too young to know about Brian. I love Brian McKnight. I can't wait for you to hear the album. You know, I definitely want to hear the album. The one-foot-in record is dope.

But we had to talk off-camera about it being R&B. R&B. But the album is Army. But that is a pop record. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Love it, though. By the way, my goal is to not be R&B. My goal is to be the biggest music artist of all time and be global.

You don't want to be boxing it. Yeah, and I want to make music that I've been saying this word a lot. I don't want to sound like MLK, but freedom is what I'm trying to promote with everything that I do in life. The way I do it, the type of music I make, the shows I pick like, my life doesn't make sense for most people, right? They're like, how are you on TV and then you do this? And then you write a country song and you go over here and you do, you know? But I'm just taking whatever's coming from wherever it's coming from, you know what I'm saying? and then I'm just releasing it

and it feels good and it feels good to be free. What do you love more though? Do you love the acting or? I love music more only because it's closer to my chest, right? When I'm acting, I'm acting as someone else. I'm acting as another.

Someone else wrote the word. Someone else is telling me how to, you know, directing me. But if I'm writing my music, it's, oh man, it's so personal and it's so real and it's saved me. Like I make music when I feel like I'm going to explode. Okay. So with the breakup stuff, right, when we broke up, I wrote the album in like two and a half weeks

You know what I'm saying? Like it was very fast It was the quickest album I ever made Made it you know And I just kept vomiting I'm crying recording Put my leg up Letting the blood run right down

Then I'm recording And I'm recording Put my leg up A ton of Achilles Broken hard Bad And then I already have backpaint So for my Achilles

Because of all these things Like I was just It was bad Yeah And that saved me And being able to make that music And be like This shit is

Oh you know You're back to your head back This shit You made it You're like That's life though It doesn't even just have to be music Like you'll bounce your head to moments that you did later in life

You're like, man, I really thought that was going to end me But it made me You know? That shit's beautiful Yeah So that's kind of what I want to How did you navigate from the Broadway side To the music side

When it comes to production Was a lot of resources come from people you met In the Broadway world? No, no So the Broadway was actually kind of really separate From my music stuff, right? So I did Broadway for three years I toured on two years on the East Coast

One year on the West Coast And then everybody was like, yo, this kid, like, you guys got to make sure you either move to New York or L.A., New York, L.A. And I love the beach. I'm a surfer, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, okay, we'll go to L.A. And I moved to L.A. when I was 11. I'm auditioning, trying to, you know, make stuff happen. And I got signed to Atlantic Records when I was 15. That was kind of, hey, do this, wear this, be this guy, right? Yeah. So I didn't even find my sound or, like, producers or the way I wanted to make music until me and my brother one day were like, we're doing the next drone.

We're going to make all the songs. You know what I'm saying? And that was in my feelings. That was our first time writing. And it was funny, the looks on our faces when we made a song, we're like, oh, you don't have to get someone to write it. You don't have to get something like the beat. Also, you don't need a vocal. I remember paying five grand out of my budget for a vocal producer. And to be honest, most vocal producers can't sing.

Almost all of them. Do you know the first thing it is to fucking sit there and he's trying to sing better than you? I'm like, that's not how I'm supposed to sound. That's not how I'm supposed to sound. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So what was the sound at this time when you were with Atlantic? Like, what was happening in the industry as far as what was the norm?

Um, it was just if, um, I guess at that time, I guess Trey songish, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That kind of vibe, which I love Trey songs. I think Trey songs is great, but it just felt very like niche. You know, I just didn't, if, I don't know if I said that word right, but you're giving it me. Yeah. It was Trey. A lot of that over-singing doesn't work for everybody else. It works for Trey. It doesn't work for everyone. Yeah, yeah. And no, and me too. Actually, that was a big issue was like, I just sounded like other people.

You know, I sound like Chris or I sounded like this. And, you know, I had to find my voice. But I would do it. I wouldn't change anything, man. Like I said, that's how I feel about life. Like, where I am now, my sound is there. And we were just, actually, we had an interview earlier today, and they were talking about this ebbler commercial that I did for eczema.

And you can barely hear my voice in the back. But people are calling me, hey, is this you? Or even on Twitter, I'm like, y'all can tell my voice. So I felt like in that moment, I was like, yeah, my sound. Like, it's me. People recognize it. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like that's true.

I have exoma. Yeah, but you do. Your exome is different, though. It's a white guy. It's worse, man. You can see it worse. You're just adding. No, it's red.

You can see it. We'll get you some. Yeah, yeah. Now, I'm trying to put you. Use code. Use cold. So you had, you had a, uh, the Superfly movie. Yeah.

Now, when we at first heard that the Superfly was coming out, I was like, I hope they don't fuck this up. Yeah. It's, you know, old black, black, black exploitation. I guess is what they call it. Film. Classic film, Superfly.

Yeah. But the version that you did, I actually liked the movie. Like, I thought it was cool. I appreciate it. Why didn't we get another, like, a part two or like maybe like a TV? Because I felt like the movie was dope, but I felt like the story. Wasn't full. It wasn't done.

It was like so many other ways. Yeah, like that was never a conversation at all. There's a lot of people who want to do it too. And, you know, but some of the producers and things, It just didn't, you know, work out. And for me, I was cool with the one and done. Because, yeah, that was a moment. You know what I'm saying?

I captured that moment. I captured that character. And then I really said, now I'm on to the next thing. You know, and that's just kind of how I felt about it. And also, when you play something that's so iconic, you become that guy, the super guy. You know, that's true. You get boxed.

Which, you know, there's Michael Jackson movie's about to come out. And, you know, I could have auditioned for that and went for that. And I'm like, if I kill it, it's bad. And if I don't do it. Like a job it's bad. Right. Yeah. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Right. And so I kind of try to be careful with that. Are there any films, TV, any roles that you passed on that you look back and be like, damn, like I should have took that one? No. No.

There's none that I. Yeah. It's the opposite, though. There's a lot of ones that I wish I had gotten and I'm glad I didn't get it. That happens a lot. Which ones you audition for? Uh. Say it.

Nice. It's okay. What you mean? I'm a professor. I'm a professor. No, we're not that show. Yeah, we're not thought to start. This is not that show at all.

But there's some just projects. I'm like, okay, that wouldn't have made sense, right? Okay. Yeah. I get it. I like that. Just wouldn't have made sense. It doesn't align with your brain.

And God is good in that way, though, right? Yeah. We feel like we need this stuff. Whenever they do that, whenever they bring God. Anytime here. Whenever they say God is good, it's like, all right, yeah. You see what the team does? See, this is the shit that you all do to Trevor.

And now he's sitting here. He don't know. He can just kick it with us. He's like, you know, God is so good. We're not trying to get him to disisere. We know the amount of roles that he should have gotten. But God is good. But it's got, sometimes God is.

All the time. God is so good. All the time. And he's always on top. Hey, neighbor. Hug your neighbors. Hey, love that self. What do you think has brought more insecurity, though, with the business,

TV, movies, or music? Um, music. Um, I felt, I think it's a combination of them, right? I felt because I did TV and music, people weren't really understanding the level of quality in, in my voice or performances or whatever. Okay. I feel like I'm one of the best. You know what I'm saying?

And that's only because I studied the best and I take it very, very seriously. I'm not here to make a lot of money. I'm not here to get some chicks. I'm here to be one of the greatest that I ever lived. And so I felt like because people had seen me. you know, on TV when I was doing music, they weren't even really listening. Okay. They weren't even really, you know, seeing it.

And now they're like, oh my God, he sings. I'm like, I probably sang better when I was 15, 16, you know. I was really going hard, but it all, again, God is good. I mean, even just to have like a human moment based off what the amount of things we work on outside of this podcast, too, that we think may compromise our perception here. Yeah. Getting Grey's Anatomy is amazing. Yeah, it's incredible.

TV history. Yeah. But also trying to put music out at the same time. Is that in the back of your mind of like, fuck, could this ruin one side of it? No matter how good both are. Not where I am now, but I think at some point I was worried about that. Like if I was doing Gronish, I probably wanted to, like a lot of times a team would be like, hey, let's promote the Gronish in the music at the same time, which I didn't mind it,

but I wanted it to be, I'm here because I'm my music. Or I'm here because I'm an actor. Yeah. I don't separate it. Yeah, because I take both very seriously. It's not because I can do it. It's because I need to. I have to do these things, right?

So that's kind of, but now I'm at a place where I've embraced everything that I am. I'm not ashamed of being multifaceted. It always made me laugh. Speaking of the basketball player over there, like, my brother's also a hooper. But like the person on the court, the person on the court that can pass, that can shoot, that can dunk, that can steal, that's a good defensive player. That's the best player on the court. Yeah.

So why in any other field, why is that different? I can sing just as good as I can act. I can produce, I can write. You know what I mean? and I'm our Well, there's a such thing as, and it's fucked up, but there's a such thing as being too talented.

For sure. You know what I mean? Like there's sometimes people looking, they be like, is this a gimmick? Like, this kid can't act as good and sing as good

and dance as good. And you know what I'm saying? So it's like sometimes people are kind of like, pick one. What do you do? What is it that you do? But in your case, you're like,

I'm passionate about. I'm a capture of moments and I'm also honestly surviving. With the things that I do, they're part of my therapy. They are part of me being able to get up in the morning. and go to bed. You know what I'm saying?

Sometimes I can't sleep. I got to make a song first. I can sleep. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just a part of my decision. What was the toughest, the toughest pill for you to swallow

maturing and becoming a man in the industry? Like, what was the one thing that you was like? Not taking, not taking, um, I took some stuff for granted, opportunities. You know, I think when I was younger,

and I'm not ashamed of myself. I'm not bashing old me or anything, but I felt like there was a time where I wasn't as grateful as I should have been in the positions that I was at because I was worried about just life stuff and not being like, yo, it's a privilege to be able to be upset, it's a privilege to be able to get on stage. I get to do those things.

I don't have to do those, right? So I think maybe that. I probably was like most disappointing that, but yeah. Okay. That makes sense. I mean, if you growing up in industry as a kid, I would think that a lot of that is a tribute to you being young, though.

Like, you don't know to not take certain things for granted. Exactly. Exactly. Just like, I'm 15, 16. Right. You know, I don't have that in my brain yet. I'm like, this is like, you know, some people do. Some people get that.

They learn that jewel. They pick up that jewel early. Yeah. But for others, it takes coming 25, 26, except to look back and be like, yo, I should have definitely. Man, 27, that year for me was the, you know what I mean? Yeah. Why is that? That's when the breakup happened.

Oh, so she put it in perspective. Yeah. No. God did. No, I'm just talking. God. Came back. So good.

That's so good. He's so good. We have not giving her that credit. But I hear what you're saying. But also, I may disagree with your therapist in that regard. Like, if you've been hitting nothing but net since you was eight years old, it's not that you are taking things for granted. You're just living in the reality that you're in.

Yeah. Yeah, you want to keep going and keep. All right, yeah, I did Lion King at eight years old. That doesn't mean I now need to settle. And, oh, let me go back to that moment and try to really empathize what I happen. No, it's time to keep moving fucking forward. It doesn't mean I'm taking that for granted. I'm moving on what I'm doing.

Right, right. So I think you should get your money back from your therapist. That's basically what you're saying. Get your fucking money back, man. Therapy is good, though. The right therapist is good. Oh, absolutely. 100%.

And especially as black men, I think we need therapy. Like, I learned that later in life. Like, you know what? We all need that. Because you know when you say it out loud, you're like, whoa, right? Because it's a, it's almost like you're saying something's wrong with me. Yeah. I think that's the tone that comes with therapy.

But it's not that. It's not that. I mean, then why take a shower? something's wrong with you so you're not going to get in a shower to get clean that don't make no sense right yeah it's it's it's cleansing the mind it's explain that to my Irish Catholic parents it's just like taking a shower yeah so you got the um the role in Grey's Anatomy first of thanks a thank you very much that is black doctor on TV listen that is amazing amazing very very cool um was this something that was kind of on your vision board or something that just

came about, came about randomly. And then when it happened, I'm like, whoa, this is sick. Brazen anatomy is it. That's a big deal, bro. It's sick, bro. And just, oh, I'm so sorry, I'm so unprofessional. Is that God? That's God.

That's the greatest break-up of all time, right? So, sorry, what was it in my brain? Braves anatomy? Yeah, it was an audition. I was kind of, it was amongst a few that I had, like, maybe had that week, like two, two or three, and I was like, okay, and we just put these on tape. didn't think anything was going to happen a few weeks past they called me

but being able to go to work I've worked on a bunch of sets but now I get to go and everything is new you know what I'm saying lab codes surgeons sometimes I got these dummy fake bodies and I'm like oh shoot thinking it's a real person

like it's dope it's fun what was I guess outside of the audition when you got the role the training for that like we've talked with Nick Cannon about when he had to do drumline he actually had to go

do the whole thing we've talked to people that have done army roles like they went to boot camp for real. Like, did you have to play the operator game? Like, at least the operator game at minimum to try to. What they did have us do though, we did some training with some bananas and like sewing. How did you do? Really? Ditching. I did a horrible. And I was mad. Everyone's going to die. She's bleeding out. Call it. Call it. What time? She's not at this time. Seriously, dude. It's not easy. And it's crazy. So, you know, they got the pros in there. And there's nothing worse than somebody being really

good at something trying to explain it to him. Like, it's okay while they're doing it. Yeah. He's like, dude, so you just want to keep... He's literally using one finger to stitch, right? That's how Cody is. And it's taking me like 20, 30 minutes. They're like, we'll come back. They're like, okay, he's an actor.

Just go sit in line. We'll shoot a wide. It won't be a close-up. Insert, get another new. Now, is that... Because I have this theory about actors. I think actors are some of the craziest people. You have to be a little bit, bro.

You have to be a sociopath to some degree. Is there ever going to be a time where, you know, you meet a girl, or say she has no idea who you are. Yeah. And because now you're on Grace Anatomy and now you know how to talk like a doctor, is there ever going to be a time where you act like you're a doctor in real life

and have this conversation? Like, yeah, so last week you lost this patient on the table and he was just like... I'm sure in a few months I could do that. That is sick that y'all have the ability to really like flip that on in real life. Yeah, man, it's not difficult, bro, because you know I'm from the UK and that.

See, it's easy. See? That's why she left. That's why she left. I've got that too. Oh my God, you literally lie for a living. Like, how can you believe anything you say? So women have hit you with that before.

Oh, so many times. How is that? Because they don't know when you're being real sincere. It hurts, bro. That is crazy. Okay, but have you used it? And that laugh. That laugh, that means you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't like, no, I can pick up on cues. Now I'm a fan of her. I'm glad you. No, I'm on her side. I see why she said, I love you goodbye. I totally understand. She was being manipulated.

She's like, he started in the middle of audience. She thought you need to give me a little bad head. It looks like, whoa. Hey, listen, man. He said, listen, DeMont taking your own pains off a bit. It's like, cool. But that is dope to have that ability as an actor. That's scary.

For your regular life? Because at some point, if you're using that every day. No, if you're not, not to manipulate. You shouldn't abuse your power. Right. With great power comes great responsibility. Right. Because I felt in a way smaller scale.

When I've had arguments with past partners, they've said to me an argument, stop podcasting. And I'm like, I'm not fucking podcasting. Yeah. And then I started hearing myself, I'm like, wait, I'm podcasting. right now. No, no, no. Here's what I will say, though.

Sometimes you can't turn the shit up. In the middle of argument. You need better help. 20% off, new worry and more. You need therapy. It becomes a tick. Like it becomes, what's the Jim Carrey shit? Which one?

So many. The movie. The mask? Lyer, liar. No, when he's in a reality show. Oh, Truman Show. Sometimes it becomes a Truman show, like in the middle, all of a sudden you're selling products and the whole shit.

Sometimes you just get caught in the world. like the lines blur in that regard. I will say this, someone that loves you, your partner, when they're hurt, they're going to hurt you

by the thing that you love almost as much as them, which is your job, right, podcasting. So it doesn't matter what you do. I'm sure if you were a chef, she'd be like,

what is this? You're in the chef room, they'd use anything that, trying to stab in Twitter. I'm not one of your sous chefs. Yeah, right, right. Exactly. You can't just yell at me

because I'm not a piece of meat, okay? You want me to say yes, chef? Is that what you're saying? No, the girl said, I'm not your sous chef. If you can't just talk like that.

Okay? So how do you go from preparing for Graze anatomy? Yeah. To then. Sorry, I am sweating like a big girl with going on. Is the A-T on over there, Josh? I'm turning that on. Is it on?

Yeah. And do you think you would have changed your Achilles injury post-Graise Anatomy training? Would you have told the doctor after the Achilles injury of the surgery? Like, I don't think it's just stitched that way? You're doing this all wrong. I'm telling you.

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October 3rd. Coming out on October 3rd tomorrow. Yes. How long did it take for you to get the songs to a place where it's like, okay, I'm ready to put this out? Because as songwriters, sometimes y'all live in your head a lot and y'all hear things that other people don't hear. Are you one of those people that it takes you a while to get the album done? Or is it like, yo, I got the record.

This is it. I'm pretty sad. I finished it in two and a half weeks, this album. So fast. And I didn't go back. You know what I mean? There might have been some production stuff that, you know, the team wanted to change. But in terms of my vocal performance, my edits and all that, as long as it's close to the moment that it happened, it's real.

It's the realest version of it. I don't want to meddle. Yeah. That's the good thing, though. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that's how a lot of artists fuck up everything with it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Let's just sit and then it's like, all right, well, let's just make it. No, now, that was the moment. Yeah. All the energy was in that entire. Absolutely, dude. I was feeling so much. And the only way I could articulate it was if I made it there. Now, if I took a minute and I probably would have tried to be cool about it, you know what

mean, instead of being. So the funny thing is I have like four albums that are finished, complete, not going to change. They're already done. The order, everything. They're finished. And, you know, some of the team and I were like, maybe we do another one. And I was like, there's no way.

Like, this has to come out first so I can. release this. Okay. And then, you know what I mean? Yeah, move on to the next one. Yeah, move on to the next. Did you work with anybody on this album or is this all like in-house, your team? This is mainly in-house. Me and my brother, Ian Jackson, shout out. And then Brunus Charles played a lot of guitar. And there's a few other, maybe like one or two other producers, but I wrote probably 90% of the album. And, yeah, man, it came together in a beautiful way. Is it any artist that you've worked with that you want to work with again or any that you've never worked with that you like you gotta get it right yeah i got to get the studio

with this person absolutely so writers by the way i want to shout out mike j one of the most incredible song writers of all time i'll turn up the music for chris brown he's just he's an animal so uh him and i did worth fighting for which is on this album got you'll hear so i want to work with him again dom and darius incredible their black tuxedo is their name together um eric bellinger worked with him and will always work with him like he's one of the few people at first that kind of in music you know, that was like that dude right there. Right? And after I'm like, this dude right smashes. Yeah. And you think rush it is tight?

Right. I'm doing something right. I'm doing something. He doesn't play when he says. You know what I'm saying? And that's how I felt. And, you know, he took me on tour with him, bro. Like, it really meant a lot to me. So that's somebody I'll always respect and be there for. Eric is dope. Yeah. Good, good dude. And then, um, also Sean Stockman from boys to men. Oh, that's family. That was another guy to go like, Hey, bro, you're doing it. Everything that you said you wanted. If you're looking at us and being like, hey, you're doing it. We're so proud of.

We see everything you're doing, and you're keeping it alive. Let's go, right? And I'm almost crying where they're talking. And they thought I was playing around there. Like, is this guy for a lot? I was like, no, you guys, I've listened to you my whole life. And not just listen to you like played the run a million times so I can do it. Yeah.

There's actually a song on the album called Kept It. Oh, no, no, not Kept. Is it Manist Still? One of the damn songs. But the riff is the exact same from yesterday. Or Ben A, Ben, Ben, Neese. We'll cut that apart so you keep the publishing. Yeah, right.

It's just a riff. I've changed it a little. Yeah, no, it's a little. But the riff, right? That's how much I love these guys. It's like, yo. So when these people are telling me that when you're asking me, maybe insecurities, when I had that from them,

those vanished. Who are some of the songwriters that you would like to work with? Or some that just inspires you when you were growing up? I want to work with Drake. I want to work with Wayne. I want to work with Roscoe Flats. to work with. I hate this. I always get this question and then late on and be in the car. Like, why didn't I say? Yeah. I'm at Moore's songwriters. I mean, of course, Drake and all

them are songwriters, but you know, specifically down to what, you know, you were saying, what Eric Bellinger is outside of him being an amazing artist. We know his pen is what is. Animal. I would like to work with poo bear. Of course, yeah. Beast. I've worked with Diane Warren a bunch and she's incredible. And we got record. So many of the albums, I'll tell you about she got something on those. Right. And everything, too, that I've done, guys, it's so story, like, this is all a part of the story. So the album that came out before this, it's complicated. This album that's coming out as the prequel to that, right? So that album is basically, I'm the guy on the side. We still mess around. We still mess around.

Then the breakup album comes out. And then the next album is like, okay, we're not, we're not together anymore. I'm going back outside. Kind of how all my homies told me to handle the breakup is what motion is. Okay. Right? They're all like, think you go back outside. How did they tell you? Because Mall is probably the worst homie that you could ever be next to. Are you going to a break-up? You crying over a chick right now?

I'd be going through it. Mall's like, yo, you got two days to cry and then shut the fucking, man. Get that shit out. I'm like, no, I'm hurting right now. Yeah, no. You get a weekend. Go through it.

That ain't wrong enough. Cry. You know what I'm saying? You ain't got a shower. Stay in bed. But after that, this is like, yo, come on, fan. We got a key.

We got to move. I like that energy, though. Because it's like, I get it. You get it. You get heartbroken and depending on what happened in the relationship, it hurts. And, you know, you become accustomed to this person always being there. That's what it more is, I think, for a lot of people's the habitual. Yeah, it's the habit.

That's human nature. We all have habits. And we used to somebody to be in there. After five years, can I get more than a weekend to get over this? No, you need a. I get it. Like, I get it. But it's like, you get me, you can take time.

You can take five years to get over. It's crazy. I don't get to the next girl. You're like, I haven't dated in five years. That's a good pickup last year. No. No. Never take five years to get over.

No. No, no, no, we're not doing that. How do you get into the mindset of when you're about to record music versus going on set to shoot? Is it a different preparation? What is that, what is that time like for you? Depending on the role, right, in the quantity of work. You know, if I have a few lines, I tend not to look at it. You know, if it's just a few, like, one-liners here, I'll just, I want to be, it actually is very similar to the music.

As close to the moment as possible. How would I really react to this? If I see it real quick, okay, ask me, however I respond, however my body moves, right? That's the realest version. But that's kind of similar with the music. Like, as soon as the situation happens with me, I'm running downstairs. I got to make this song. It's off of the initial feeling.

But if there's a bigger batch of work, I'm a bigger role and there's more words and maybe it's a different character, I would dive in. I would like to eventually do the Daniel Day Lewis, you know, the Joaquin Phoenix. Like, I want to take three months and go live somewhere. and then shoot the movie after I live there for three months. You know what I'm saying? And really, if I'm supposed to be a doctor, work, sleep in a hospital for months.

You know what I'm saying? I'm saying? I want that. And it took me actually, I was supposed to do a film with Shia LaBuffet. It fell through due to some other stuff. But when we were rehearsing for the film, I saw what it took,

because he's one of my favorite actors of all the time, Charlie Buffett is dope. Incredible directors. Yeah, he's an animal. You know what I'm saying? Like I've, it's almost like when you, like if you see LeBron or Kobe or something, I'm in there on the court, like practicing it.

It's like, when I was just like watching him, I'm like, oh, he's trying to murder this shit. Yeah. He wants to murder it. You know? And just the amount of work that he was doing, it was a cop movie. And he had already been two months before I had met him. He was already going to the cop station every day. He had hours and hours of footage on his phone.

He's asking him if he can record in the ride-alongs and stuff. Like, he wants to be it. He wants to be it. Yeah. So I do want to do that at some point. Is that, like, what is your dream role? Like, what is the movie? I want to be silver surfer.

You were a superfly already. That is super hero. But I'd love to be silver surfer or like a Miles Morales and older Miles Morales or I'm basing on the name, but there's a black Batman. That would be sick. And also any movie with Denzel. What did you feel about the last Batman? Like a lot of people didn't like it because it was so dark and like...

Oh, my Patrick's on. It was fire. I thought that was dope. I thought that that was... People didn't have the action that people are used to in Batman movie. Yeah, I'm a film guy, though, right? So I like the long sequences. I like through Zoom in.

Like I'm into that. A lot of movies that I love people are like, that's boring. I'm like, because you're not watching it the way I'm watching it, right? I'm watching it for other reasons. So I loved it. Matt Reeves, the director went nuts.

The coloring went nuts. The penguin went nuts. Colin Farrell also one of my favorite actors. Yeah. Colin Farrell. That's your cousin? Oh, my husband's your cousin? Oh, you're last name's Farrell too?

Oh, sick. Yeah, that's right. He did the, uh, I didn't do the color. You helped him prep for the penguin? That's, he killed that. But that's what I'm saying, though. Kilt that role. I was at the phone booth.

Hey, that's a fire too. I was there. That's an underrated movie. Are you being funny? No, I'm not. No,

he's my father's second cousin. Yeah. No, I'm really not joking. You're serious. Yeah. Sorry, I love him that much.

No, we don't talk. I'm telling you. Like him and I don't take a debt back. He don't talk to me. But we went to the phone booth. Dude. That's what my. When people say,

I know, Colin Farrell, that's the movie I put on. That movie was great. Cousin like 10 times removed. It's an animal, bro. Yeah. Are there any actors? We didn't go to the SWAT set though. We weren't invited.

Yeah, no. Not. I was very mad. I was like, Dad, we're not going to the SWAT set. Are there any movies that you look at now and are inspired by? Like, what did you think about the Senners movie? Loved it. Love it. I heard that they're releasing it for Halloween. Yeah, they are. And they should. Ryan Coogler, Animal. Michael E. Jordan, Animal. To me, that was his, he went crazy in that. And I was just so proud of it. because I feel like when it's us,

they find a way to make something off, right? Yeah. They find a way to, oh, he's either this, or he's a little nerd, or he's blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's never the guy, right? And if it is a guy, in the big movies, if there's a black dude, he has less lines or he does the stuff but not as good as the other,

you know what I mean? I always feel this way. I'm always watching stuff like this. And I'm like, it's programming. It's like, hey, this is where I see, it would always be a little bit less, right? So when I saw sinners and everybody looked good, the lighting was good.

Sometimes it'll be that too. It'll be a movie and there's a black guy and they don't light them right. And they, you know what I mean? Yeah. They lit everything right. Everybody looked amazing. They looked cool. They looked strong.

They looked. Ah, felt good. I was happy that I went to see that in the theaters. Oh, you have to see it in theater. Yeah, because I was on the side of,

I was like, I'll wait to this because movies only last, what, three weeks in the theaters now, yeah, before they're streaming. Yeah. But that's in his movie, I was glad that I got to go to the theater and experience that movie because I thought it was dope.

It was really, really good. And the actor, what's the singer? What's his name? Oh, yeah. He went crazy. the young bull. I don't know his name.

I'm spacing on his name. I didn't realize he was really singing. Yeah, he's cold. I could tell. I could tell only because I just saw how he was in it. You can tell when somebody can't sing and they're trying to like fake scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could see it.

But him, like I just saw like a video of him singing like those songs live. I was like, wait, he's a singer. Yeah. Fucked me up. But he also acted his ass off and he did. He did a great job. That's his first time, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Acted his butt off. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, who is this kid? No, he killed that. Natural. He was the start of movie.

I mean, I get Michael B. Jordan's character, but that was the start of the movie. It was the heart. It was the heart. You know, every time it was such a good movie. It was great.

I got to rewatch. You think traditional R&B is niche now? Yeah. You think it's, it'll never be over for traditional R&B. I would never be that person to say that. Definitely niche. It's changing, you know?

It's changing. But I hope to kind of try and keep it alive a little bit. But I definitely think it's, yeah, it lost its place. And I think it plays. plays into this thing, right? I think today's society, effort is frowned upon, which I hate.

Effort is frowned upon. I think it's the most ridiculous thing. And it's my little nephews, it's not cool to try. You got to be. And I'm like, we're missing out on probably some of our greatest artists, painters, musicians, because they think it's not cool. I know this singer, I know this basketball player who can sing, and he would never sing in front of his friends because they would dog him.

But this dude, the little white boy, friffing his ass off. And he only does it when we're around, right? But he would never tell his friends that he sings. You know what I'm saying? Because they, you know, and I think that plays into that. Because to be a true R&B artist, you have to sing your ass off. And there's not a lot of that. You know what I mean?

So I think that's why. But I just want people out there to know it's okay to try. It's okay to be good at something. It's okay to put everything you have into things that you love. Like that's not cool. That's awesome. That's crazy that you even have to say that. He didn't tell a lie at all.

That's really how this shit is now. You have to say that to people because, again, people think of this. And, you know, it's kind of like it's not cool to try some new things. Yeah. It's group think. It's group think. And that comes again, people are lonely. They want to fit in. So I'd rather fit in than actually follow my dreams. I'd rather be, you know, a part of something, even if I don't fully agree with it because at least there's someone next to me. At least I'm not, you know, it's scary to be on the earth in the middle of space and not know why you hear. And still paying bills. And still paying bill. And paying for water. You know what I'm saying? Debating over water. Debating over waters. We're talking about polling springs here, dude.

What the heck? You know what I'm saying? But it's just wild to me. So I think that's what I always want to carry, man. So what is it that Trevor can't do? Like, what are you terrible? Sit still. Can't sit still.

That's the hardest thing for me. But no, no, I think. Is it crack? Like, what is it? You can tell me. I'm from the hood, though. I was boring with it. Just some internal crack.

Trump told us yesterday that Tylenol is. You've been taking talent on our whole lives. I've been on crack. I didn't even know it. I took talent on two days before Trump told him. I was like, oh, you're autistic now. But you know what I actually found as I got older, it could be anxiety. You know what I mean?

Even people would be like, oh, you're always singing. And I found out later in life the vagal nerve that helps peace and like breathe and regulate your stuff is based on the back of your head. And when you sing, it calms it. Calms it. So I would always be singing. And I'm thinking, hey, I'm just singing. But it was to breathe, especially I go into a new place.

I remember this is a funny story I can tell this. So I meet a little Wayne. And I don't really meet him because I'm scared, right? But I'm good friends with Twist. We go to meet him. It's his birthday. And my brother, he's stronger than I am. He gets up and walks over to Wayne.

And I didn't want to, he was like behind the thing. I didn't want to come around. Yeah, it's a little awkward. So I just kind of sit down. But then I start, we're sitting kind of next to the tape. And I start singing. And he's like, I don't know. I'm nervous.

I'm trying to do that to relax. Yeah. I was like, I'm nervous. And he was like, he's going to think you're trying to sing in front of him. so get on a song. I'm like, that's not true. I'm just, I'm just saying if you're going to, yeah, yeah, that's not stressful. Right. But I'm like, it's lame. What song were you singing, though? Whatever song was playing. Okay. It was like some song that was. If somebody just starts

busting out and Steve. I was going to go with Mrs. Officer. But dude, I totally was, and then even in that moment, I was like, yeah, maybe that's why I do it. Because I'd be nervous. So the only thing you can't do is sit still. Sit still. No, I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of things I can't do. I just don't like the word can't. I feel like I can figure it out. You know? And everything in life that I've really wanted to do, I've done. Like I was like, I want to play guitar? I play guitar. I want to surf. I want to, I'm sure if

I woke up and wanted to be a pot and pottery class, I could do that. But I think the best thing about it is I follow my heart. I follow things I want. And that's why I feel like I'm happy. You know? That's dope that you keep like that about you because this industry will rip all that away from you. Yeah. You can't. Yeah. It's been ever since eight. I'm sure they've tried.

Yeah, definitely tried. Before we let you go, I was having an argument with my dad about AI. We were talking about sports first. This is crazy, guys, it's here. And I was like, yo, boxing and track are the purest forms of athletics on Earth. There's no way AI could infiltrate that. Then we started talking about the arts, which have already been infiltrated. I said, Broadway on stage is the purest form of art that's ever existed since the fucking.

fucking 1600s. AI cannot fuck with Broadway. I'm just someone that buys a ticket to Broadway. You've been inside that entire world. Do you think AI could ever fuck with what is going on? Guys, AI is... Let's talk about it, right? Who's buying a ticket to a Broadway show with AI?

You're not even going to know. That's where we're heading. They're going to look like this. They're going to look like this. It's not Broadway, then. If it looks and feels on Broadway, it's Broadway. That's where we're ahead of those. what I'm saying. You're not going to be able to tell the difference. And that's the scary part

is that, you know, it gets scary to even talk about because I'm obsessed with, you know, all these, I've seen almost every movie, you know, about AI and all this stuff. And it's like, we are literally in it. And people, that's why I get frustrated too. People like to joke around about instead of just, you know, sit in what's really happening. This shit is changing vast. It's changing fast and it's changing like in a big way. And we got to talk about it. You know what I'm How do you think they could do that, though, with Broadway? Like, it's easy to see how they could replace as far as anything in Pro Tools, anything with artists, anything with vocals.

There's already robots. There's already the humanoid robots. Then they're going to add skin. Then they're going to add a voice. Like, it's artificial intelligence of my favorite movies. And they were hitting the money on the head. And then it's going to be them versus us type of which I hope it's not. You know what I mean?

But it will be that. That's where we're going. And next fucking 300 years, they will look like us and sound like us and walk around like us. just signed that R&B AI to the $3 million. That's ridiculous. I don't even... Never got a million dollar deal, by the way.

It's so ridiculous that I didn't even read it. No, I didn't either. I refused to even like reading something like that. I didn't even like... What does that even mean that an AI artist signed in a $3 million deal? That means a very rich man paid a computer guy to create a person and create a sound and paid...

And it sold to chart. Yeah. And said that he gave the person $3 million, but you can't give an AI artist $3 million. million dollars it's okay the same thing that's going on with radio we're going to save this for another full episode because i already have this theory of the ai artist the same way radio is going through as riko of how they're laundering money these ai artists are being created and going into the algorithm into the algorithm to launder the fucking three million dollars that you just gave them it doesn't

exist you're setting the price based off the stream you got now you're putting an artist here you're laundering that three million dollars to come right back to you doesn't make any money laundering And the world is so not here that they're like, oh my God, what? You know what I'm saying? That's how people respond to you. Oh, my God. Yeah. Instead of being like, hmm, you know what I mean?

That's a little crazy. That's weird. That's probably the scariest part too. I'm sure you guys can attest it because you guys are smart men is like also knowing that most of the world doesn't get a little fuck. They don't. That's scary. 99.99% doesn't.

That is scary to me, bro. But as an artist, as somebody that is as passionate as you are about arts, how does that keep you motivated to want to keep doing it? and when you see things like this. Oh, I think, honestly, it motivates me an amazing way. It makes me to go even harder. But I think this album kind of speaks to the truth about humanity, right? Like, I don't feel like a robot could write a breakup song that would feel like these.

You know what I'm saying? Because even that thing, even though I didn't listen to it, I heard the voice, the voice doesn't, I can't feel it really. Right, right. He kind of sounds a little robertronic. Yeah, you can tell it's very piece together. Yeah. Even just the way you put words like, you know, I've seen people like, hey, make an AI song. And it's simple.

It's cool. But it's not life experience. It's not, you can tell. So I think that'll be the separating factor. But then again, they're about to take minds and be able to put them into it. You know what I'm saying? We're already here, guys. Open the computer.

Look some stuff up. Oh, that's happening. Because it's already here. It's happening. I'm a robot. Yeah. No. Did you imagine it?

That'll be. That would be a way to drop a bomb on the world up. The first humanoid as a robot. To the truth, that's why he does so many things. That's why he gets this film. That's why he gets this film. He's short-circuiting all the time.

We got to give him oil. Before we close, you or Jason Weaver? Jason Weaver. Okay. Jason Weaver. I was shot. That was my word. But wait, what is the question?

He knew the question right away. Yeah. I don't, can you let me in on the question? Just can't wait to be king. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I'm like, wait, Jay Weave, that's my guy. No, that's our brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

All right, so Trevor, tell the people the album when? Album comes out tomorrow. It's called, I love you. Well, no, EP comes out tomorrow. Album comes out in November. And please, listen to it. If you ever had your heartbroken or haven't yet, it'll happen.

It'll happen. And you'll be pressing play on this. Just wait for it. Gray's Anatomy. Again, congratulations on the role in Grace Anatomy. That's huge. That's major.

And we support you. Anytime you back in New York, come by and kick it with us one. I will, man. I have a blast, y'all. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's Trevor Jackson. Let's go. Gigi, boys.

Hope this is more fun than the other friends. Yeah, that's for sick, dude. Thank you, bro. I'm love, man. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th.

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