New Rory & MAL - Episode 102 | Jack Harlow Is The Lyricist Of The Year

Episode Date: September 16, 2022

Ahh, yes. Satire. Sarcasm. Mockery. It's truly where we excel.This episode starts with an Emmy recap, and then goes straight into argument territory. Who should be crowned the Hip-Hop Lyricist of the ...Year? The guys debate this, as well as cover the other BET Hip Hop Award nominees. The feels come out when they send their condolences to the family of PnB Rock - and also get in the asses of the celebrities that made this moment about themselves. They then pivot into a debate about getting your kids out of your house at a certain age, and then head into sports news.Are you guys signed up for our Patreon? You should be. Thats where the unfiltered things are.https://patreon.com/newrorynmal?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:46 Oh, I'm having flashbacks with this blindfold on. You should listen to King's Disease with that blindfold on and go on a sound journey with Nas here. You was definitely banging Nas and ludicrous Virgo. No. I definitely was not That beat wasn't too bad You just made it too specific for y'all birthday Yeah It's a little weird
Starting point is 00:03:05 But happy birthday at Nas 49 years old Looking like he's still 27 I know crazy They had a show Yesterday I believe too Right yep Wutang show up
Starting point is 00:03:16 Buster rhymes I wonder what it's like at 49 to be on the road during your birthday He probably just want to go back to the hotel I would think so Yeah I would think so I mean it's a blessing
Starting point is 00:03:26 is B49 in hip hop and still be touring because you know they say rap and hip hop is a young man sport but well i did see uh that clip that went viral i don't know if it was really old or recent of those two women that were out to dinner at like some resort on an island and like drunk ass naz sits down like yo i love both y'all you ain't see that video no nah nah's definitely fuck both of them well let's not put that out there like that but uh hypothetically yeah see that changes it one word changes everything high Hypothetically, he had a great night. You guys didn't see that video.
Starting point is 00:03:58 It was hilarious. You know, it was just like one of those like all-inclusive resort type shit. It was really nice. And Nas, like, sat at their table and they were super excited and, you know. How funny would it be? He was being very respectful, but you could tell Nas had been, you know, participating in beverages throughout the day. Like, why doesn't that happen to men?
Starting point is 00:04:13 Like, why are we never at a resort and like one of our favorite actresses just shows up and just starts talking to us? Because there's nothing attractive about a bunch of dudes at a table in a tropical island. Yeah, that's kind of like loser shit. It looks weird. Like, we're the ladies at, right? Like matter of fact, if you're with a bunch of women, women would want to go over there. Be like, oh, that looks like a nice environment.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Track women. Yeah. I get it. Just you and I chilling like in Turks. Well, they would think we're a couple. Probably so. Yeah. So I would understand why a woman wouldn't approach us and say, hey, guys, you want some company.
Starting point is 00:04:42 But ladies, if you do see me at a resort by myself, come. I think it's weird that you're calling these hypothetical women homophobic, but that's cool. I didn't call them home. Did I said they wouldn't even want to come to our table because they would be gay. I said they would assume that we were gay. And they wouldn't want to sit. us because we were gay. Not that, but they wouldn't approach us in the...
Starting point is 00:04:59 Happy birthday to Nas here, man. What the fuck are you talking about? You're defending people that don't exist. Happy birthday to Nas. Shout out, when is King's Disease 3 coming? God damn it. We need a hit boy and find out, yeah. I mean, they turn those albums around pretty quickly.
Starting point is 00:05:13 I just think it's on tour, so I might be a little bit. It's just so dope that King's Disease 1 and King's Disease 2 sound nothing unlike and it was literally the same two people in the studio. I like it. The Emmy Awards were the other night. Yeah, you guys seemed really excited when everyone walked in today. Wouldn't shut the fuck up about the Emmys. Yeah, I think Edin's favorite show won.
Starting point is 00:05:33 No? They did a Telemundo category? Yeah. You didn't see it? No, I did it. It was a remake. I didn't know they aired that award. You know Edin loves Novellas.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Did the George Lopez show win? Wow. It's so crazy that that... I love George Lopez. I love the George Lopez show. A lot of people don't like George Lopez. I never understood that. The sitcom was great.
Starting point is 00:05:59 I mean, his stand-up is hitter... It's hitter miss for me. But that sitcom I really enjoyed it. I didn't think his stand-up was terrible. I like George Lopez, though. I don't know. I just like his... Where is the daughter from the George Lopez show now?
Starting point is 00:06:10 She was fine. I can't remember who played the daughter on the George Lopez show. I just have, like, weird flashbacks whenever Leriter plays. Because I feel like I used to fall asleep to the George Lopez show when I was a kid. And, like, I would always just wake up to low-rider. her playing. You just hear it as soon as you wake up. Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:28 It reminds me of high school. Is this young lady, Marcella? She looks nothing like how she looked in that show. Wow. Because she has... Is that a white woman? She's Albanian. She's Albanian.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Interesting. The more you know. All right, well, congrats to George Lopez. The more you know... For winning an Emmy for his show from 20 years ago. I know Edna was happy. Tell me about the Emmys, guys. You guys were the ones that were fully invested.
Starting point is 00:06:54 Well, the one thing that I was happy about, and I know I'm late, but the one thing I was happy about from the Emmys was Quinta Brunson won for Best Writing in a Drama series for Abbott Elementary, which is a great show. For sure. And I was pleased to find her. Like, I've been looking at her for a few years, Best Writing in a Comedy series. I'm sorry. And I was looking at her for a couple years when I was looking at Abbott Elementary. I'm like, she looks like the girl from the viral videos. Like, oh, he got money.
Starting point is 00:07:23 Get it all. You remember that? Remember that? And then... Oh, she was hilarious in the early, early internet viral sketch type of day. It was so dope. And I'm looking at her, but I'm, you know, I don't want to ask stupid questions.
Starting point is 00:07:34 But every time I'm watching the show, I'm like, I wanted to ask somebody, is this the same woman from the viral videos back in, you know, 10, 12 years ago? But it was dope to find out that that was her. Same woman that was Millie rocking in front of the pyramids. That's her. Quince of Brunzel. Shout out the Quincy on stage. But somebody didn't give her enough space.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Jimmy Kimmel was kind of like... Millie blocking. What? Jimmy would never take all the attention. Listen, it was a bit and, you know, he just played into it. And people were mad that he was, he didn't give her her space to accept her ward. But I did see that she was on the Jimmy Kimmel show last night, or the night before, I believe. So, you know, they kind of made up, hatched that out.
Starting point is 00:08:13 I mean, I love to see that type of shit of people just taking the resources. Jimmy Kimmel's not a bad guy. I've seen people get mad at him. I'm like Jimmy Kimmel. Like, y'all are mad at Jimmy Kimmel because he. Like he was doing something he thought was funny. He laid out, passed out on the ground. Like, yes, Jimmy Kimmel.
Starting point is 00:08:29 But shout out to Quinta Brunson. Shout out to Cheryl Lee Ralph gave an outstanding speech, accepting speech. And she won outstanding, supporting actress in the comedy series. The second time in history that a black woman has won that award. And her accepting speech was beautiful. It was powerful. It was motivational. It was very passionate.
Starting point is 00:08:48 And I think that it, you know, it did what she wanted to do. It inspired a lot of women in the industry. a lot of women that's not in the industry just doing things in their lives that sometimes lose faith and lose hope on what they're doing so she gave an incredible incredible speech and acceptance speech
Starting point is 00:09:03 so salute and shout out to Cheryl Lee Ralph yeah for sure and I think again with the Quinta thing too remember we talked when Insecure was over of just how amazing that was for Issa to succeed in that because had she not succeeded anyone coming from the internet world trying to do something themselves
Starting point is 00:09:18 the big networks would say nah I think I'm cool so this is I think just another part of that with Quinta. Yeah. That other people that are as just talented and only have the resource of the fucking internet to put stuff out will now be taken seriously. So I love to see that type of stuff.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Shout out to Zendaya as well. She won Best Lead Actors in the Drama for her role as Rue and Euphoria. Zendaya gave a beautiful speech and, you know, she thanked anyone that may be dealing with drug issues and substance abuse and things like that. Zendaya can't do no wrong, it seems like. Like she's, she's just, she's very well spoken. She's beautiful. Her energy is beautiful.
Starting point is 00:09:59 Great actress. And I think I forgave her for making that bullshit bowl of mac and cheese for John Day to Washington. I think, I think, at some point, I finally, I finally forgave you for that. I'm past it. I held on to that for a few years. You need to let go. Yeah, yeah, I held on to that for a few years. That was a terrible bowl of mac and cheese.
Starting point is 00:10:14 But after that acceptance speech and, you know, she looked great. Listen, I'll let it go. You become what hurts you if you don't let it go. Absolutely. So I think you just need to let that craft mac and cheese go before you become. You're right. The crap. But John David Washington did not, he did not deserve that shit at all.
Starting point is 00:10:27 But Zendaya looked great. They're going to find, how many more years still they try to find something wrong with Zendaya? As far as what? Like, you think they're going to try to out her as a bad person? They're going to find, she's been doing too much amazing things. And when people start doing too much things that are great, it starts to piss people off. They're going to find a tweet. I feel like they're going to find a Zendaya tweet somewhere.
Starting point is 00:10:46 She was 11. Yeah. She is from the Bay, so. Oh, yeah. They're going to find her getting a hyphy. And I'm like, oh, look at her. She's trying to, she's a cultural vote. They're going to call her culture vulture or some shit like that.
Starting point is 00:10:56 Or the woke crowds and be like, well, she's not really a drug addict. So, like, this is really problematic that she's acting like a drug addict in the show. We need to find the real drug addicts and give them the opportunity. Give them a platform. Like, I, this is just, I can't believe she would even take that role knowing that she's not addicted to heroin. Yeah. So that'll come soon, I'm sure. Shout out to Zendaya.
Starting point is 00:11:17 Lizzo won, Lizzo won Emmy as well for her TV show. watch out for the big girls. I have never watched it, but I do love the Jersey club song. That's because you don't watch out for the big girls. No, I love the big girls. I love the big girls, too. That's one of my favorite Jersey club songs. I was screaming that.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Watch out for the big girl. What? That was my shit. So Lizzo won, she won an award for that show. Lizzo looked great. What is the show about? She won best competition program. So it's a competition.
Starting point is 00:11:46 It's a bunch of big girls that are dancers, I believe. So yeah, you know, it's a one. went for the big girls. We love the big girls. We salute the big girls. Julian. Fat guys. I'm saying how do they vet who's qualified? That is, yeah. Like, do you have to send your body mass index?
Starting point is 00:12:04 And like, is there a specific pound that you are now no longer considered that? Is it like a height to weight ratio that's appropriate? What do you? How big is big enough for the show? Is this not, it's a good question. You think they're going to cancel the show for exploiting big girls? I feel like they'll try it. Like, they'll try anything. Can we look up what the definition of exploit is?
Starting point is 00:12:23 At what point is everything not exploiting? If you're profiting off a specific genre or something, at what point is it not exploiting? Your intentions, but you can never prove intent. Exploit is a bold or daring feat. Now, if you've seen the show, watch out for the big girls. Some of these girls have done some daring things on the dance floor.
Starting point is 00:12:44 Make full use of and derive benefit from. A resource. Yeah, that's where I think exploit is a very odd word. Yeah. Can there be positive exploitation? Like, hey, we're putting positive light on it, but we're still profiting. So we are exploiting it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Anyways, yeah. So I think, I haven't seen the show, but it sounds like they're exploiting big women, which I think is very problematic. Everything is problematic. Well, either way, they won. Squid Game won six awards. They were nominated 14, 14 different times. So that was a big night for Squid Game.
Starting point is 00:13:14 Squid Game 2 is, I believe, coming soon as well on Netflix. I'm not sure which way they're going to go with this season, too. Now that we know the plot and we know what the story. Squid game is about. Like, where do they go with? Does it become more of a thing about the people that are controlling the game? Well, I think they were exploiting people with gambling
Starting point is 00:13:29 problems and exploiting murder. Yeah, that's exactly what they. Which is what I felt with it. And death. Yeah, I hope they... And tag. Freeze tag.
Starting point is 00:13:37 Like, you can't exploit Freeze Tag. He... We really tried to make him think he was a hero in that last episode. What was the main character's name? Your brain retains that information really not much. You'll know before we do. Not the names.
Starting point is 00:13:50 He was really like a good guy. towards the end and he gave the money to his man's mom and all that shit and just like every other gambling attic he was about to get on that plane and was like, nah, let me go back to the car table. Yeah. So I'm excited to see what other vice is coming.
Starting point is 00:14:06 I just wonder, I would like to, it's going to be interesting to see where they go with this one. Like we know the game. He was about to go see his dog. All he wanted to do was help his daughter. He should have just got on the whole show, I'm doing this for my daughter. I'm doing this for my daughter. It's kind of like a breaking back when the whole time he was like, I'm just doing it for my family. And at the end of the
Starting point is 00:14:21 show. He's like, nah, I was actually good at this shit and I liked it. He went to go see his daughter turn right around when he got the call from the gamblers. So why did he just get on the flight? Because he's a gambling addict and just get on the fucking flight, man. I don't know. But it'll be interesting to see where they go season two. One of the awards they won was for like best, like best show, sorry, best episode, which was the Red Light Greenlight episode, which is actually a really, really, really good episode. I was championed a red light green light three summers in a row.
Starting point is 00:14:51 You have no idea, DeMaris. Three summers in a row. 10 beats for three summers? Damn it. I was a red light, green light champion. Yeah? Could never catch me moving. They call me young statue.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Plant those hips firm in the ground. Exactly. I've been to the Bronx. I've never heard anyone be like, oh, you pod with statue with statue, right? Yeah, they call me young statue. With statue? Young statue.
Starting point is 00:15:15 He's like, is he even breathing? Look at that kid. You young statue of limitations. That's what you are. That's right, Rory. Back to BET, the Hip Hop Awards. The nominees are in for the Lyrics of the Year. Is this what they led with?
Starting point is 00:15:30 They put all the BET nominations out, right? But this was the one that caused all that. Well, you know, this is the one that's going to always call it. Whenever they put a rap list together, this is always going to cause a frenzy in the comment section and people are going to repost and tell us what you think. So the nominees for the BET hip-Hipop Lyracist, excuse me, Hip-Hop Awards, BETT Lyruses of the year. Baby Keem, Benny the butcher, Drake, Jay Cole, Jack Harlow, Jay-Z, and Kendrick Lamar. What was the cutoff date that you had to submit lyrics before? Because Hove shouldn't be on here.
Starting point is 00:16:08 I understand the verse that was on Kalad's Island, which is weird. It actually was like two weeks ago. So I really feel like you put this list together longer than two weeks ago. So I don't think Hove should be on there. Who else shouldn't be on here? I love Keem. I think Keem is more of a performer than he is a lyricist. I wouldn't put Keem on there.
Starting point is 00:16:27 I understand popularity and all that shit, but this is the BT Hip Hop Awards, not the BET Awards. I don't know if Jack should be on there for lyricist. As far as what Drake did in the year, I don't know if lyricist is there. Best rap artist you could put, I wouldn't be mad at all, but lyricist Drake, I don't know, Cole did a whole rap album. Definitely should be there.
Starting point is 00:16:47 Benny should definitely be there. Push just put out an incredible lyric album. Push should be on there. Kendrick should be on there with the album. But no, I don't think Jack Hove or Keam or Drake, for that matter, should be honest. For this year's cycle of lyricist. But what is the cycle?
Starting point is 00:17:05 J.I. Dean certainly needs to be on there. But the cycle would be from the last awards, right? So that would be 2021. So September, October 2021 until October 222. Yeah, I don't... I'm with you. I don't think Jack Hall should be on there. Maybe, you know, the BET Awards.
Starting point is 00:17:26 Am I the only one that feels like little baby should be on here? Did baby put stuff out within that year? I wouldn't be mad at that. I think Baby can wrap. Yeah, I wouldn't be mad at that. Who else was on that list that was in the headline of people that were missing? The Boldie James of the world are on there when you come to the lyrics of the last 12 months. I think Vince Staples,
Starting point is 00:17:48 100% should be on there as far as lyrics. He put out two albums within that time that should be there. Black Thought put out projects. I just think I get the names, but do that, because it's the hip-hop awards, do that for artists of the year. Let's try to make it cool for the specific categories rather than just pick the most popular people. It's starting to feel like this category is more of a popularity thing.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Yeah. than just really lyricists of the year. Like, I appreciate that Jack Carlo can rap, and he's one of the biggest rappers currently, but I wouldn't put him on the lyricist category. If you want to put Jack Carlo Best Rap Artist and he wins, I would have no issue with that. I understand it. The other nominees are, and this is it, Best Hip Hop Video, Aest Rocky, Baby Kim, City Girls featuring Usher Cardi, B. Kanye West, Lil Durk, B, J. Cole, Future, featuring Drake and Tims.
Starting point is 00:18:42 That's obviously going to win. And Drake featuring Future and Young Thug. I think that ASAP Rocky video should win to be quite honest. That video is incredible. Really good video. I didn't even know there was a hot shit video for Cardi Kanye. Like, I remember the controversy, but did it ever come out? Yeah, it's out.
Starting point is 00:18:58 Oh, wow. You don't want, someone doesn't watch PRL. You did not. That was not one of your PRL. I would never pick that for PRL. Best collaboration, Baby Kimet, Kendrick Lamar, City Girls featuring Usher, Cardi B, Kanye West Low Dirk, Drake, featuring 21 Savage, Benny the Butcher, Future featuring Drake and Tim's.
Starting point is 00:19:17 I think that should win. Drake, Future, and Young Thoth. Anything with Tim's and best collaboration is going to win. For sure. She's easily one of the hottest artists in the world. Best duo group, 4-2 Doug and ESTG, Big Sean and Hip Boy, Birdman and Young Boy Never Broke again. Blast and Beano Redoux.
Starting point is 00:19:34 The Baby, young boy never broke again. Earth Gang, Stiles Being Havoc. That 4-2 Doug and ESTG album was dope. They, to me, I think, are the landslide win there. I'd love to see that Havoc and P.R. on there. Yeah. Best life of performer Cardi B. Doja Cat, Drake, J-Cole, Kanye West, Kendrick Lamar, Tyler, the creator. I would have to give that one to maybe Tyler. Tyler. I was going to say, though, after watching that Kendrick show. Yeah. Kendrick's show.
Starting point is 00:20:01 I mean, I know he's still on it currently with the timing, but Kendrick deserves to be there. That tours and stuff. Lyrics of the year we just did. I would go with Kendrick Lamar on that one. Can you scroll up? I can't see the category before that. Thank you, video director in the year. who had to, I would give it to Tiana. Fuck it. Give it to Tiana. You would give,
Starting point is 00:20:20 even if she wasn't nominated to any category. Tiana, she directed, she did a great job this year in her directorial debut. I think she did a good job. Song of the year. How is hot shit?
Starting point is 00:20:30 How is hot shit? Cardi B. Coney West Lil Dirk under Song of the year round. Someone at BET explain that to me. Why that should be there. I haven't heard that song.
Starting point is 00:20:37 Yeah, I'm going with either Kodak Black with Super Gilling or wait for you. Future featuring Drake and Tim's on now. one. You know what I really think especially within hip hop with these award shows
Starting point is 00:20:50 and these publications that put them out with podcasts being so big and content being so fucking important and the attention of these is just plummeting with award shows? They need to get all the people that are on this panel that put this together and y'all need to pod and explain to the world
Starting point is 00:21:06 why these people are nominated. That would be amazing. I'm not joking. I think everyone that did this shit needs to start a podcast series leading up to the BT Awards and you need to pod about Song of the Year and tell me in that room why hot shit Cardi B. Connie West and Little Dirk is nominated for Song of the Year. For each category, I think they need to explain and that drives way more attention and debates and arguments and makes it have more purpose for the award show.
Starting point is 00:21:35 And you need content. You need debate. That's what hip hop is for is to debate. So stand by your terrible nominations. Yeah. And tell us why. Voting committee. Oh, you're on the voting committee. Not the panel. Not the nominees.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Oh, well, the labels make the nominees. I was going to say, it's just their relationship with Atlantic Records. Yeah. A hip-hop album of the year, Lotto, Drake, Kanye West, Future, Pusha T, Naz, and Kendrick Lamar. I'm going to go with Kendrick Lamar on that one. I'm going to go to Push-A. Yeah, I think I might, for hip-hop album of the year, I would put Push-a-T there. It's almost dry.
Starting point is 00:22:13 Hip-hop artists of the year. Cardi B, Doja Cat, Drake, Drake, Future, Kanye West, Kendrick Lamar, Megan Lee Stallion. Again, I would go with Kendrick Lamar and that one as well. That's so interesting that Jack Harlow is not hip-hop artist of the year nominated, but nominated for lyricists of the year. That is so interesting. Not because you don't listen to his lyrics.
Starting point is 00:22:29 Like, you don't really break down Jack bars. You got to break down Jack's bars. That's the thing. Pause. Cool question. Sorry. Mall, for Song of the Year, yes.
Starting point is 00:22:39 You're putting Super Gremlin over Song of the, song of the year. You're putting Super Gremlin over First Class and Big Energy. Absolutely. Have you seen what Super Gremlin does when Kodak before was that record? Yes, but it's not just about
Starting point is 00:22:56 him performing it. It's about where it gets played, how often it gets played. That record literally plays everywhere. I'm sorry, but Big Energy plays everywhere. I was just watching the Emmys and it was playing
Starting point is 00:23:06 when people were walking up onto the stage. Yeah, but you don't think Big Energy a song of the year. You don't think that. I think it should be nominated. It's not. Well, it is nominated. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:23:15 I think wait for you should win. I said between Super Gremlin and Wait for you. But I'm just saying I think that big energy was a bigger song than Super Grimman. Since we're shitting on Jack, first class could definitely win that shit for real. That too? That was one of the biggest records of the year. I thought, well, I mean, I understand the first. Again, we back to the sample thing.
Starting point is 00:23:32 We know why we liked the record. Why I was the hit? The sample. We love it. But I thought Nail Tech was a better record than first class. Yeah, but first class when we're doing song of the year, we're not talking about what song is actually better. Like, that's not what's important.
Starting point is 00:23:44 Half of these songs shouldn't even be nominated. Yeah, that's what I'm like, we're not talking about what song is actually better. We're talking about which song had the most popularity. And song of the year, me personally, just from what I saw, what Super Gremlin did and what wait for you did, those are my two picks. It would be cool for them to do verse of the year for the hip hop awards. Sure. Because I don't think any.
Starting point is 00:24:02 You know, Hove did. You know, that's going to win. I would, I mean, if it made it in the right time, I would definitely put Drake's shit on Jack's album. That would be up there. Yeah, verse of the year would be cool Because that would be like You can't go with the name shit in that one
Starting point is 00:24:18 You kind of have to be honest with that category Yeah You couldn't be like the label would submit Like bro we know that verse isn't good Compared to everything else Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's crazy Best Hip-Bop Label
Starting point is 00:24:31 Well, we've won this We're alumni of this already Like we want the next generation You know, we pass the torch That makes sense You're gonna present the award? Yeah, we should actually actually. Best hip-hop platform. Big Boys Neighborhood, Breakfast Club, Carisha Please, Complex,
Starting point is 00:24:47 drink champs, hip-hop DX, million dollars worth a game, NPR Tiny Desk versus. Uh, like, guess versus if we're doing the year? I know 2020 was like their biggest shit, but 2021, they still versus was up there. I think drink champs. And drink champs had some moments. I was to give it to drink champs over versus maybe last year or the year before, but. I personally would like to say. drink chance win that just from a podcast perspective,
Starting point is 00:25:14 but, um, complex has, just complex still cover hip hop? You guys think I'm trying to be funny. I'm not like, do they have a hip hop show anymore? Do they have,
Starting point is 00:25:23 me and you were on the complex with BDOT breaking out of Hove's worst records. Okay, outside of BDOT's platform, do they do anything else? I mean, obviously they had Rosenberg show, every day struggle, a bunch of jinx and all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:25:37 It was very hip-hop based at one point. I just feel like they've left that in its entirety outside of B-Dots. And that's not even BDOT's the biggest platform. Yeah. Yeah, probably drink champs will win that. They had some really big moments in the year. Hustler of the year, 50 cent, Cardi B, DJ Caled, Drake, JZ, Kanye West, Megan the Stallion.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Jayzee is the hustler of every year. Like, that's not even, like, fun. I mean, DJ Calid literally got everybody in the world on his album. That takes a lot of hustle. I mean, Kanye, even though he's going through it with Gap and Adidas, getting on board for Gat like a yeah all the tech shit Kanye's doing like he's he's kind of hustling like I understand like well he just announced that he's
Starting point is 00:26:21 part in ways with Gap um after these the line that's out now is done he's not producing it like I fully understand that it's it's cool when calid will collab with a alcohol brand and do a cool TikTok and all that but but Kanye is is doing some world changing yeah moves as far as business and in hustling goes I just kind of feel like Kanye would be the one has mad shows out on 50s definitely definitely up there for it. And I stand corrected.
Starting point is 00:26:46 There is best, best featured verse. There you go. Drake. Cole poke it out. Cole London was also a great verse. Little baby, Girls want girls.
Starting point is 00:26:57 That was a great verse. Kanye City of Gods. I would put Fabio's verse on the Donda album before I would put Kanye from the Fabio shit. Yeah. Fabio spazzed on the
Starting point is 00:27:10 on the Donda album. You can't say that. Fabio Spazzed on the Donda album. Oh, you white, white privilege. My bad. I forgot. Drake, wait for you. Great.
Starting point is 00:27:20 Jay to kiss, black anonymity with Gibbs. Yeah, that's great. So I'm not mad at that category. It's good category. Impact track, about damn time. Lizzo, City of Gods. Fabio foreign, family ties, baby Kim and Kendrick.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Nobody Knows, Mitch and Ms. Lauren Hill. Family ties. Yeah. What was impactful about City of God? What is it? I like the song, City of God. What impacted the world?
Starting point is 00:27:39 What was said on there? That was like, damn. I never thought of it that way. You know that was. That was the new Empire State of Mind. No, it wasn't. It got Alicia Keys for that very reason. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:27:51 Oh, actually, like these lower tier caters, like DJ the year I love, that's dope. K. Trinada must be. I think, yeah, Ketranada should win that, in my opinion. Though leakers, like, sour milk and incredible, those freestyles have been going fucking nuts. Yeah. For sure.
Starting point is 00:28:07 And Kayslay, I hope, no matter what, they honor Kislay. Absolutely. Regardless of whatever happens that catarer. category. Producer of the ATL Jacob, Keem, Hit Boy, hit maker,
Starting point is 00:28:17 Kanye, Metro, Broom McRow. It's going to be all to not give it to hit boy again. I would say it would be
Starting point is 00:28:21 between ATL, Jacob, hip boy, and Berg. Those would be the three that I think would deserve
Starting point is 00:28:28 the most. Best breakthrough hip hop artist, Baby Keem, Blas, Doche, Vaviaio,
Starting point is 00:28:31 foreign, Glorilla, Nardo, Salty, Santana. Uh, I would go Blast and Glorilla.
Starting point is 00:28:39 Yeah, I like Blast. I mean, I love Keem, but I mean, The breakthrough was DNA. Damn, fuck Fabio. It was like, you know, first cousins.
Starting point is 00:28:49 That blast album was great. But I don't, Fabio's been out for a while. Yeah, like, I understand that he got more popular with his relationship with Kanye and everything. But Fabio was popping. Like, I wouldn't put him in this category because I felt like he broke through already. And I fuck with Nardo Wick too. I just don't think he's there yet. And Blas has been, he's been dope for a while too.
Starting point is 00:29:06 But this last year for him, he has some really, like, really big features on projects and shit like that. For sure. And drama, I think, should win just because he did our podcast. I feel like that kind of. Shout to DJ Drama. That solidifies him as DJ of the year. When are the awards? Do we know?
Starting point is 00:29:23 October 2nd or something like that? BT Hip Hop Awards, October 2nd. So, yeah, those are the... Are they doing the Cifers? September 30th. I don't know where I saw October. Pardon me. Are they doing the Ciphers?
Starting point is 00:29:36 Because that's, like, why we love this award show. I would think so. but maybe a different type of cipher maybe. Do they do the ciphers last year? I'm not sure. I don't remember. The last cipher I remember was the one where Brandy, Tiana, and. Yes.
Starting point is 00:29:56 So was that two years ago or last year? Yeah, I feel like they changed the format a bit. I want them to go back to just a bunch of different groups. I was going to say, what crew would you like to see do a cipher? A QC to close the show would be incredible. Like, especially from like the eras, like when good music would do a full, TD did a full one. Like I think a QC and of course it's unfortunate that Gunna wouldn't be able to participate.
Starting point is 00:30:28 But yes, QC. Oh, and the Migos. That would be weird. Never mind. I take it back. I was waiting to finish like, who's going to do it? We got to give me the same room? Like, obviously a Dreamville, Cipher.
Starting point is 00:30:41 Yeah. Dream Bowl would be really, really good. I would like to see a pussy rap cypher. That would make me happy. Who? A pussy rap cypher. Who's the pussy rap? A pussy rap cypher.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Like all the girls. Oh, I see what you're saying. That just talk about their pussy. It's not a group, Ma. Oh, that's why I was confused. I'm like, who's... I was looking. I'd be like, I have six heads.
Starting point is 00:30:59 Like, who the fuck? I thought this was like a new crew. I'm about to be like, how do I not know of these girls? Like, the pussy raps? And instead of like, how we usually would do cyphers? Like, who got who do you think is the wettest pussy based off the bars that they said? Like, yo, like, let's figure it out. That would be funny, though,
Starting point is 00:31:14 because any time there was like the gangster rap, I'd be like, all right, who could out gun wrap, who probably has most bodies? Now it's literally like who literally has shit dripping down their leg while they're rapping right now. Yeah. Who's wet? Who slipped in this puddle?
Starting point is 00:31:28 Who left the puddle? That would be the most moist cypher ever. PG Lang, I know there's, I don't know if they've announced people they were signing, but Kendrick and Keem kind of leading whatever that collective is going to be. Oh, yeah, CMG, Cipher. There's a lot of really good rap crews. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Which could be, I think, dope to focus on the Cyphers. Well, we have to see. I'm not sure if they're doing it. I'm going to say yes. We don't have any word of who's doing it as of yet. But I'm going to say that there will be a cypher this year. Before we get off-wrap, did you see the Simba flex freestyle? And he did Sway this morning, too.
Starting point is 00:32:10 Absolutely. So, Simba. Shout out to Simba, man. We talked about him. That's our guy. We talked about him a few times on the show. Album out now as well. Album out now.
Starting point is 00:32:18 If you're listening to this, album on DSPs. What he did on that flex freestyle was he checked all the boxes. It was clever. It was witty. His flow. He had bars. He had he said something. He had substance.
Starting point is 00:32:36 Character. I mean, he just, he did a lot in that freestyle. Seeing a lot of people that didn't really know how dope symbol was. that saw that freestyle was really impressed by it. And that's what those freestyles are about. People that really don't know the artists, don't know their music. They see these freestyles and they get a glimpse of the artist.
Starting point is 00:32:54 And I was just so happy to see that Simba performed the way he did, him addressed in the whole Tupac Flex rant thing. Very clever, very witty. And for those that haven't seen it yet, Flex for the past few years has been very critical of Tupac and has gotten on IG Live, screaming that Tupac lied and Flex started crying. used it as drops before. It's been one of our favorite rants ever. Simba did a great job of making that seem lighthearted while I thought he was dead serious.
Starting point is 00:33:22 Oh, no, no, he was dead serious. But it's, it's, I think he was joking around, but I could tell Simba was like, no, no, seriously, you're going to stop doing that shit. No, he was serious, but it was, you know, it was, it was also in a like, come on, Flex. Like, it wasn't like, he was mad at Flex. He was more so like, like, flex cut it out. You know what I mean? But it was, he got it, he got his point across. He got his shit off. And, um, he did his thing, man. So, you was, yeah, he was, you were saying a lot of shit that was on a lot of people's mind, but next time you do it, please just don't cry. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:50 No, Simba, he did his thing. And like you said, album out now on your DSPs. Shout out to Simba. What did you think about the last line of the freestyle? So yeah, Simba's freestyle, he closed it with an RIP to P&B rock. You dudes from the block kill more niggas than cops. While it's a good bar, it's sad that it's a true bar and it's a real bar. RIP, prayers and condolences to P&B Rock.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Absolutely. Prays and condolences to his family. We lost him Monday. He was killed in the Roscoe's in California. You know, it was unfortunate a lot of people jumped out there online and kind of blamed it and pointed fingers at his girlfriend posting a picture in the location of where they were. Sadly, the LAPD had confirmed that they believe that is how the, uh, The killer found him. I believe P&B. Rock had posted a picture in the parking lot before they went in.
Starting point is 00:34:51 And then his girl posted a picture and tagged the location. And, you know, I have a lot of friends and family in L.A. and, you know, the first thing all of them said was, you know, we don't know why he would even be at that specific location, at that specific Roscoes. We're born and raised in L.A. and we wouldn't even go on that side of town to that Rosco's, let alone go there with a bunch of jewelry on and a nice car alone, no security. It was just an unfortunate tragedy, man. It was a careless tragedy.
Starting point is 00:35:25 You know, honestly, he shouldn't. And it's sad that we've got to say you shouldn't be over there. He shouldn't be on that side because P&B Rock probably figured he's not a guy that has a lot of beef. He doesn't really, you know, have issues with anybody. He's a positive guy. You know, he doesn't carry that negative energy with him. And he figured, you know, I'm going to support a black own business and a black neighborhood. Why not?
Starting point is 00:35:46 You know what I mean? But unfortunately, in our culture, we've seen this way too many times where people are jealous. You know, people are lazy. People are broke. People don't want to get a job. People would rather put a gun in your face and take what you have to feed themselves for however long it would last, you know, whatever they take from you. So, you know, it was a careless move on his part. definitely is a side of town you do not want to be on without no security wearing hundreds of
Starting point is 00:36:17 thousands of thousands of dollars of jewelry on some of these people over there have literally nothing in their pockets and they have nothing to lose and you can't put yourself in a situation where you're faced with somebody that has nothing to lose and you have everything to lose because you're going to lose every time so it's unfortunate you know what I mean it was sad to hear that I didn't know P&B rock personally but disaffected me you know I couldn't stop thinking about them because I just you know it's it's it's fucked up when you know good people uh end up in a bad situation and you know end up dying as a result of it over you know jewelry and shit like that shit that means nothing you know what I mean like it's definitely not worth your life um he should
Starting point is 00:36:53 still be with us you know I mean it's unfortunate we can we continue to do do this to each other in our community like we just for whatever reason we have so much self-hate and you know we hate to see people with nice things if we don't have it for For whatever reason, you know what I mean, we all have 24 hours in a day. You choose to use yours, how you use yours. I use mine is the way I use minds. You know what I mean? But unfortunately, you have people, again, that don't have nothing to lose
Starting point is 00:37:18 and they'll gladly come and destroy a family and to put a gun in your face and kill you over your valuable. So, you know, prayers to P&B Rock. Again, prayers to his family, his daughter. Prays to his girlfriend and his child's mother. Absolutely. You know, she's received so much unfortunate tweet. sent her way from celebrities and, you know, people that's just jumping out there, like, you know, in no way do I think that she, you know, meant to post a location thinking that
Starting point is 00:37:48 people would come there and kill P&B Rock. You know, again, they just out having a good time. And, you know, sometimes we just in autopilot with the way we tweet and post things, not really being cognizant of our surroundings and where we're at and people might show up to do some harm to us. Like, we're just out having lunch or whatever. So prayers to her because I noticed she had, she was there. She witnessed the entire thing.
Starting point is 00:38:13 She lost the father of her child, the man that she loves. And unfortunately, you know, some people that she's probably a fan of and he was a fan of. And his peers are now tweeting and directing things her way that are just, you know, stupid, unnecessary. We need to be more loving. We need to, you know, reach out to her and make sure she's good, make sure her mental health is right. make sure his daughter is good. Like instead of like we just have this, we're so quick to point fingers and hate, send hate each other's way.
Starting point is 00:38:44 It's fucking crazy, man. Like we should be enjoying this culture. This natural resource called hip hop is something that we should be enjoying. We should be cherishing. We should be loving. And it's always a sign, you know, we always reminded of how much hate and envy we have for each other when situations like this happen. So it's unfortunate all the way around, man.
Starting point is 00:39:03 But either way, a life was lost that should not have been lost and should not have been taken from us. And his family is forever devastated behind that. So prayers and condolences to P&B Rock and his family, his daughter. And again, man, we said nothing but. Rory and Maw said nothing but love, y'all way. Yeah. And as much as the internet loves to tell people what they should be doing, y'all should shut the fuck up sometimes. Now, we've always been advocates of not posting where you are.
Starting point is 00:39:33 on this podcast for years. And yes, neither of them should have posted where they were at. But we do not know that that is why they found out where PMB was. Everyone jumped a gun and just immediately put it on her.
Starting point is 00:39:47 Like she's not dealing with also being robbed at gunpoint, watching her boyfriend die in front of her. You think a bunch of fucking idiots that weren't there that don't even know how these dudes got to drop on PMB, now let's just put it on her.
Starting point is 00:40:01 And if we didn't, y'all didn't learn from what happened with pop, and I'm talking to the internet now, because the internet keeps saying, oh, y'all didn't learn from pop? Did the internet learn from pop? Because y'all went to his best friend's fucking IG who just watched his friend get murdered in front of him
Starting point is 00:40:15 and blamed him for setting pop up. And then we found out that was not the fucking case. Right. So this dude who's also 20 years old is grieving his friend that was murdered in front of him. And now you fucks are in his comment saying, you set your best friend up, you piece of shit, dying hell.
Starting point is 00:40:31 Like, internet sometimes just need to shut the fuck up. Well, you know, we talk about it a lot. The Internet is filled with people that their job and their objective every day they wake them going to Internet is to spew hate and, you know, to just, you know, say distasteful things. Like, everybody has a smartphone. Everybody has access to social media. So, you know, which is why you can't share so many things because as much as you do it for love, there's a lot of people out there who literally are miserable and walk around trying to project that misery on other people. So, you know, it's unfortunate. But again, man, we got to learn.
Starting point is 00:41:02 Is that going to change it? You think she needed to hear that? I know, of course not. But again, it's the internet. It's the internet. And it's unfortunate that, you know, a lot of it came from celebrities and, you know, people that P&B probably worked with or wanted to work with or had some type of rapport with. And, you know, it's just fucked up.
Starting point is 00:41:20 Because, again, you know, yes, she posted a picture in a location. Shouldn't have done it. Shouldn't have done it. We still don't even know that that was the reason why dudes could have been plotting on him for days, following him everywhere. And LAPD did say that. LAPD said they believe that's why, just the same way the whole the internet book is.
Starting point is 00:41:37 That's why, but they can't prove it until they found out who did it. And he posted his location 45 minutes before she did. Right. And we understand that, again, that may be the reason how they found where he was at. But again, talking to L.A. natives that I'm very close with, you know, they say, okay, we understand she did that.
Starting point is 00:41:55 But the way that lot is set up, you come over there in a nice car like that. You walk in at Roskos with all that jury on. somebody that's probably in there dining, somebody that's probably standing outside just chilling in the lot. Eyes were on you from the moment that car, that nice car pulled into that lot.
Starting point is 00:42:10 People want to know who that is, who's over there. So, yeah, she posted a picture, he posted a picture. That didn't, you know, that definitely gave away the location. Do we know if that specific gentleman that K&B was on internet and he saw that?
Starting point is 00:42:24 We don't know that. You know what I mean? It's just unfortunate. Until we do? Shut the fuck up. You know what I mean? It's unfortunate that it happened. It's unfortunate that, you know, this continues to happen.
Starting point is 00:42:35 I mean, you know, it's, you know, L.A. right now, it's a real bad energy in L.A. It's a real negative dark energy over L.A. You've got to be very careful. Again, there's so many people out here that have nothing and they want to take from you. They're not trying to do nothing to better themselves. They just want to go get a gun and rob you and, you know, possibly end up killing you and going on about their lives because they have nothing to live for. So you can't put yourself around.
Starting point is 00:42:59 I know we want to say we support the hood. And, you know, we go back and we're not scared to go back to the hood and we support black-owned businesses that's in the hood. That's all good. But we also got to be careful. We got to move carefully when we're doing that. If you want to go support black-owned businesses, cool, go. Rappers, you don't have to walk around with the rapper image on all day. You don't have to have all your jury on when you run errands and just going to get lunch and things like that.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Like, leave the jury in the hotel. Leave the jury in the house. You know what I mean? Like, you ain't got to move around the streets with all your jury on every day all day. People still know who you are. People still respect you. You know what I mean? Like we just can't wave these jewelry, this jewelry and this money in front of people that have nothing.
Starting point is 00:43:39 And they don't give a fuck. They have nothing to lose. You're talking about bum-ass niggas to the highest degree. Motherfuckers that have nothing going on in their lives. And we putting ourselves in their vicinity on their radar. Of course they're going to take a shot if they can. You know what I mean? Because they don't have nothing else to do.
Starting point is 00:43:54 These bum-ass motherfuckers that just do nothing all day, sit on their ass and just wait to take something from somebody. So let's not make it easy for them. But again, in the same breath, let's pray for P&B Rock and his family. Let's pray for his daughter. Let's pray for his child's mother. Let's pray for his friends, his family, like everybody that loved him that knew him because either way you cut it, picture, no picture posted, no location posted. This is a tragedy.
Starting point is 00:44:17 It shouldn't have happened. And it continues to happen in our community. And the shit is stupid. The shit is senseless. And it needs to fucking stop. Bottom line. So prayers to P&B Rock. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:27 And, I mean, such a talented. artists. Yeah. You know many kids P&B has now? Mm. And this, this current wave of music, like PNB was definitely
Starting point is 00:44:36 early on a lot of that, that trapping B type of melodic style. So, you know, his legacy even while he was here, was already solidified, you know, so that makes it even more unfortunate that a 30-year-old
Starting point is 00:44:49 that had already made such an impact with how music is sounding now is what was taken away from us. And I don't know how true it is, but it was an interesting graphic. I saw it that was up, That he was another Empire artist. He was, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:03 Which, which again, I know the internet is going to internet. That's just another thing I think is stupid. And I'm not here to defend Empire on a personal level, but from what I've known, between them and artists, they typically have some of the best artists to label relationships from a personal level with their roster. Yeah. You rarely have ever heard an artist complain about empire. They all have a great relationship. So when these artists pass away, you don't think it affects the people at Empire? They're personally invested in a lot of these artists too outside of the music.
Starting point is 00:45:39 They're friends with them. So when you guys go on the internet and come up with this conspiracy, the Empire is trying to murder all its artists because it spikes streams and their back catalog, they'll make more money, I'm sure that's not fun for Gazi and everyone over there that legitimately has taken a concept that is profitable to an artist more. more than any other label right now. Yeah. And does right by every single artist.
Starting point is 00:46:04 And it has a personal relationship with every single artist and make sure their families get everything to have the nerve to go on fucking Twitter and just come up with this theory that these nice guys from San Francisco are murdering people in Englewood. Yeah. Like, I just, I don't know. People are extremely insensitive and I'm not even saying they think about it when they tweet. They may not even realize how insensitive they're being to people's families and to people's loved ones and friends. when they just spew this bullshit.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Yeah. Because then it starts to catch legs and then people go outside and now people are thinking I had something to do with killing and artists that I consider a friend. Like it's fucking weird. Again, it's weird. And you know, you celebrities, you know, you artists that are well off and rich, you know, sometimes just don't say nothing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Can you guys really delve into that because you have a platform and obviously you guys don't have the platforms of some of these artists. that tweeted about this, but you know the responsibility and how much your fans pay attention to and a huge responsibility that you have. And these artists, these artists know that you know what I mean? Like these artists know the responsibility they have because soon as, you know, it's time for them to push an album, you know, as soon as it's time for them to defend themselves when their name is caught up in some shit, as soon as it's time for people to pray for them, as soon as it's time for them to go to court and be on trial for shit, they want support and all of that from the
Starting point is 00:47:26 community and from the culture. So listen, you know, when it's somebody else going through something, just remember that, you know, you be in that situation at times too where you need people to pray for you and just not say hateful things and not say dumb shit on platforms. Like that, it's as simple as that.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Like, you wouldn't want people to do it to you. If that was you laying in the street or laying in a restaurant, bleeding and fighting for your life, you wouldn't want another celebrity, another artist tweeting your loved one or you stupid because why would you do that? You wouldn't want that to happen.
Starting point is 00:47:54 That's what I'm thinking. Life is just that simple. You would not want somebody to do that to you or your loved one. And can you imagine, all right, let's say the people that were super P&B rock fans because he definitely had a fan base that was extra. And even with these artists that work with him or fucked with him and claim they're saying these things out of love,
Starting point is 00:48:11 do you think PNB, because he has expressed how much he loved his girlfriend, do you think PNB would want you guys after he's murdered to blame and talk shit about his girl while she's grieving a murder she watched? Are you guys, since you love PNB? P&B so much, you think that's what he would want? Yeah, it just comes down to that. I'm asking. Do you think that's what P&B would want? It's that simple. It just comes down to, you know, he would not want that and you wouldn't want it done to you. Hell no. Life is just that simple. Treat others the way you want them to treat
Starting point is 00:48:44 you. You would not want people tweeting that to your loved one after images first. And then first of all, social media for allowing that image to circulate a P&B on the floor fighting for his light. Like, you know what I mean? It's just things like that. We become so desensitized. We've become so numb to this shit. Like this is just another day. This is just another artist that we lost. Another life that we lost. You know, this time next week, it'll unfortunately be somebody else that we'll be talking about.
Starting point is 00:49:09 You know what I mean? And that's just the sad reality of it. But it's only in our culture. It's only in the hip hop culture. Like, and that's the problem with, that's the problem I have with it. Like, we're so open to letting anybody in our culture. We're so open letting anybody come in and profit off of our culture. And then we do shit, like, not
Starting point is 00:49:25 support each other in a time of death and tragedy. Like, the least we can do it. Like, We let people rape our culture and take from our culture every day and feed their families. The least we can do when one of us are dead and dying. And the least we can do is support the family with kind words, reaching out to them in private, helping out what we can. You know, like instead of tweeting, wanting to be the first to just tweet and report some shit or say some shit or voice some shit. And make it about you. Look at what I said about it.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Yeah. It's just like, this shit is, it's just too much, man. It's just too much. People are so desensitized. People are just so selfish. People are just so, you know, they have no remorse and no regard for what they say and what they do. And they just, you know, once you hit send on that on social media, you can't, we saw it. We read it.
Starting point is 00:50:13 We can't forget those words and it's fucked up. But again, the point remains, rest and peace to PNB Rock, prayers and condolences to his family, surround them with love, surround them with strength, surround them with guidance. For sure. That's the bottom line. the negative shit is just noise, stupidity, and miserable people. That's what that really is. It's miserable people just wanting to project their misery onto other people.
Starting point is 00:50:37 Yeah. And to DeMaris's point of us having a platform, we've all mismanaged our platform sometimes, says some things we didn't mean, maybe we're insensitive. I just think we all need to deal with these types of things differently on social media. That's all. It's a little, we need to be extra responsible when it's, comes to this type of shit with the platforms that we had. We've all made mistakes on our platforms.
Starting point is 00:51:01 We've all said shit that was probably not the right thing. But when it comes to this stuff, yeah, it's not, it can't be the first thing that comes off the top of your head to your thumbs to the phone. Like, you've got to just tread lighter when it comes to this type of shit because you're dealing with people that are dealing with absolute tragedy at the moment. My thing is this. When I saw the video in the location, of course I thought to myself, damn, why was she post that?
Starting point is 00:51:25 I thought it to myself. Of course. I'm not going to project that on social media. Exactly. Where it could find a way to her phone or find a way to, you know, his family and they read that. Like, of course I thought it. Like, damn, that was such a careless mistake. And that's exactly what it is.
Starting point is 00:51:41 It's just a careless mistake. It's a mistake. We've all made mistakes. We all do things that's like, damn, I should have did that. This one just happened to be a tragic mistake. But you don't, you know, you don't out her and you don't point fingers at her and you don't blame her for his death. You don't do that. Like you can't that she's already under enough mental stress and after seeing that like her life is forever changed.
Starting point is 00:52:04 So we can't we can't compound that with you know negative negative words directed her way. Like that's just it's fucked up and it's wrong and we should not do that. And like how important do y'all think y'all are? Like do you think you said that and then while she's grieving the murder, she's like, oh fuck this random page on Twitter. I never even thought of it that way. Like, who are you really telling? No, you're just tweeting to make yourself feel like you have something important to say at the time. And I feel like no matter how right, we all thought it.
Starting point is 00:52:35 But it doesn't mean it necessarily has to be. For the celebrities and exactly when they're saying, oh, you're saying R, P, P&B. But what it looks like is you're trying to garner attention for yourself. Because you know that this is a hot topic on the internet right now. And you have to go on the internet, say a tweet and then double down on your tweet. You're now making this about you and your fame. and people arguing with you. Well, like I said, people are miserable.
Starting point is 00:52:59 People, people, people are home. And exploitative. Yeah, people are home and they're sitting in these nice houses, but it ain't no love in these houses. It ain't no good energy in these houses and these mansions. I don't give a fuck how big your property is. You know what I mean? You late, when you hit the pillow at night
Starting point is 00:53:15 and you look up at the ceiling, you're miserable. You don't like where you at. You know, mentally you fucked up. You know what I mean? And you project that on other. And people can see it. There's smart people out here. Like people know, people know misery when they see it.
Starting point is 00:53:27 They know when people are not happy with themselves when people are insecure. We can see right through that shit. And it's just unfortunate that people use a time and tragedy to display exactly how insecure they are, to display exactly how miserable they are instead of just sending love. You know what I mean? Just send love and support. Like, that's all. You know, send love and support to the family.
Starting point is 00:53:46 Like, fuck how you feel about it. Fuck how you view the situation. Just send love and support to the family. Like, that's it. You know what I mean? Life is just that simple. Fuck your personal feelings. Send love and support and get out the way. Also, man, other tragic news. Jesse Powell passed away at 51. It was reported that he passed away peacefully, but rest in peace to Jesse Powell. Incredible musician.
Starting point is 00:54:11 One of the best R&B voices we had, one of the biggest records, R&B records in the 90s with you. One of the best wedding reception vocalists of all time. Anytime there was a display of love in the air, you had to play you. For sure. Can you sing us a little bit of it more? I cannot sing that key that Jesse Powell was singing. I won't even try. Yeah, I wouldn't want to disrespect.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Yeah, I'm cool. But yeah, I read that today when we came in. I didn't even hear of Jesse Powell's passing. But rest in peace, prayers condolice is to his family. And, yeah, let's play you. Let's play you all weekend. I'm with it. Let's just clean the house to you.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Run up the streams. And P&B. Yeah, P&B Rob. His song, Selfish went number one. Yeah, on Apple charts. On the Apple charts. So that was, you know, that was unfortunate, but it was good to see that people were in their own way paying homage and, you know,
Starting point is 00:55:09 streaming P&B's record. Yeah. But again, rest and peace to Jesse Powell as well. Yeah. Yes. It's these tragedy topics that with podcasting is. Yeah. It dampers the conversation so much.
Starting point is 00:55:26 A somber mood. But let's do our best to just send prayers and love and support to the family and do what we do. Yeah, to try to bring some more, I wouldn't say uplifting at all, but just, you know, lighten the mood a little bit. On my way to the Alex Isley concert, I was with a bunch of people. We were on the SUV headed there. And one of the women in the car was like, typing away. Like, you know when a girl's locked in writing paragraphs. And I was just like, oh, boy trouble? Like, what's going on? She was like, no. I was like, you look like you have that
Starting point is 00:56:02 focus. I'm sending five paragraph essay, intro, hypothesis, three body conclusion, citing sources, MLA format type of shit. She was like, oh, no, no, no, I know it looks like that. That is what I'm doing it, but I'm writing it from my home girl to send to her boyfriend. Yeah, copy and paste it and send me as Clinton Miller. I was like, wait, no, I said, okay, I was like, so your ghost writing for your friend? Yeah. And she was like, yeah, I mean, in my group chat, like, I'm the one that will write all the responses to everyone's boyfriend. I said, wait, so that means I've been arguing with a woman before, but talking to someone else.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Talking to her girlfriend, absolutely. So I used to approach when I would start talking to a girl, I would always try to getting good with her best friend. Because, you know, that's always helpful whenever you get into some shit with your girl that. It's important for you that relationship with her best friend. She's not an ally, but she likes you. So it can be... She can be a good buffer in between things rather than if she absolutely hates you.
Starting point is 00:56:56 She's never going to have your best interest over her girls. But... For sure. She'll help you out like, hey, listen, she's upset. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like, you need to do something right this weekend. I thought that was OG shit and I thought I was, you know,
Starting point is 00:57:09 ahead of the curve on that one. I had this all wrong. You shouldn't go after the best friend. You need to find the most articulate home girl in the group chat. Because that's who you're going to be arguing with. Yeah. You need to start preparing, pick her brain. She may not even run.
Starting point is 00:57:22 realize it. You need to figure out how she argues, not the way your girl argues. But you know, you got to do that when you arguing with your girl and she's like really giving it to you. You got like, oh, Danielle again. You just got to yell like, oh, Danielle's good. But this is how dumb my man brain is. Because once she said that, I started thinking back to arguments where I've thought, you don't even talk like this. Yeah. Like, I used to think she got angry and all of a sudden became a T. T.I. Yeah. And like knew every fucking word. Just Daniel. Copy and paste. It was her friend with a master's this whole time.
Starting point is 00:57:54 Absolutely. Her lawyer friend. Find that where she's reading. Yeah, you know every girl that went to college has a lawyer friend. And then like somebody had actually went all the way and like past the bar. And have you ever gotten really confused? I started rethinking my entire life at that point. Have you ever had the girl that is the freak out, like loses her mind in arguments, girl?
Starting point is 00:58:12 Like, I think every guy's had that. Okay. And have you ever been thrown off when like randomly she'll be super calm and mature in a text? Like, oh, I understand if that's how you feel. Like, where is she playing mind games right now? What the fuck? Why is this a different person? I now realized I was just talking to her calmer friends.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Exactly. You just talking. She copy and pasted her logical, level-headed thinking friend who was like, no, don't curse him out. Just tell them exactly how you feel. Use your words. And then she said, you know what? I'll send it to you. And but what a brilliant way to argue as well?
Starting point is 00:58:47 Because, you know, anytime you argue with someone you like or love, you, there's going to be emotions attached to it. And once you have emotions and an argument, you're going to lose. That's it. Someone that has no dog in this race at all that could just articulate feelings. We have been, because men, this is why men. Apple need to do something about that. Apple, let us know when this shit is copy and pasted.
Starting point is 00:59:05 You can do the face thing. I want the thumbprint, right? Let me know who's typing. Let me know, like, okay, this is copy and pasted from somebody. Like, these are not her words. They give you the last four of the number it came from. Yeah, like, these are not her words. Like, it's fine, but it's her sentiment.
Starting point is 00:59:18 You know how you could save a photo and it'll tell you the date. and shit, let me copy and paste it and put it in my notes and it tells me where it came from. What's the IP address of this text right here? I'm with that. I'm with that. Well, as that friend, let me also tell you that that isn't. You're the, you're the, uh, yes. No, you're not that friend.
Starting point is 00:59:33 I swear. You curse way too fucking. Well, maybe a text you're different. Maybe it text you text a little different when you curse somebody out. But you have to, she has no, she's not attached to it. So she doesn't have the demaris curse out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you don't have the emotional.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Yeah, you know, even when I'm arguing with the people that I'm dating. I don't curse them out. Oh, you just curse it does. Yeah. Yeah, I curse it, y'all. But when I'm typing and I'm like, when I'm in the argument, first of all, I'm in Aries, I argue a lot. And I'm also like, what does that mean?
Starting point is 00:59:57 You know that has nothing to do. No, people who argue a lot. I said my sign to be funny, but people who argue a lot are women. Over time. No, over time who debate a lot. I won't even say argue. People who debate a lot, you become good at it. And not even just that.
Starting point is 01:00:11 I just want to let you know that that home girl is not just, it's not just when they're arguing. Also, if you've ever bagged a girl and a girl was nervous and really, really like you and didn't know what to say. There's the slick mouth flirtatious girls who tell you. What should I say to him? Oh, wait. So, I mean, technically I bag both then if she's the one type into me.
Starting point is 01:00:28 Yeah. And now I got chemistry with your friend. Maybe I should be with her. Have you met the guy that you've been ghostwriting on your friend like for behalf of? And you see him and you're like, yo, I want because you've been talking to him the whole time. No. And if you ever made a comment that were like mad and love like, yo, she mass slick with the
Starting point is 01:00:44 mouth and I'm like, it's me. And then they're going to the second date and she's not slick of the mouth at all. and you're like, what the fuck? Yeah, and then you have sex with and the pussy is not bombed. See, I just fucked the whole room right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to throw it back. But women that even type, throw it back. Even women that write their own rhymes, be lying about that shit.
Starting point is 01:01:02 Like, don't go, you can't, if you're going to have a ghost writer. Have a ghost pussy, too. Well, I just, that doesn't even logically make fucking sense. Like, y'all are just talking. Nothing makes sense logically. Like, we should just, like, if you're going to let me argue with your home, we're are sending these words. I'll put it this way, bro.
Starting point is 01:01:21 Let me slap. Look at the difference between... Let me spank, too. Clearly, me and your friend have a lot of good chemistry. Me and her are communicating. Our banter is amazing. We're not arguing.
Starting point is 01:01:30 We're not yelling at each other. Like, we're great. Like, so let me hit that. Like, we can still be together, but it's like she always something. Yeah, the ghost pussy. Yeah, give me some ghost pussy. But look at the difference between men and women.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Because, Maul, I know you wouldn't do this. But in some world, you were arguing with your girl and you were like, I can't do this. Rory, can you type? I would say, get the fuck away from. I would never type for my male friend. We can't have ghostwriters. I do that.
Starting point is 01:01:54 You ghost write for your homeboys? Not if they're in an argument with their girl. If they're trying to pick up a girl or get with a girl. I need that. Maybe for like a little home, like someone that's younger, like I would maybe help them out. But like my peer, my adult friend. Like get out of here. We have a word for that friend.
Starting point is 01:02:12 We can't use it anymore. I just said we have a word and we can't use it anymore. We can't use it. Oh, man, that feels so great. All introduces it the same every single time. That feels so good to use it. Get it out. Sometimes we've got to let it go.
Starting point is 01:02:29 Yeah, just got to let it go sometimes. Oh, my God. You would scream that during your time. Absolutely. Because I've sat next to Lori. I've sat next to Lori and Mall and asked you guys what I should say like in the middle of a argument, a text argument. I might do that for a home girl.
Starting point is 01:02:43 For my adult male friend, no, I'm not going to be like, bro, you should say this. I don't do it for arguments. I don't do it only if it's like, hey, these girls are out or how should I get this girl to meet us out. Yeah, I've done that. That's different. Before a younger friend. Not like,
Starting point is 01:02:57 cover me. I don't do that. Imagine arguing with a woman that's not your girlfriend. That's sick. I would never do that. That's horrible. You guys are all liars.
Starting point is 01:03:04 What do you mean? You've only argued with a woman that was your actual girlfriend. I prefer to only argue with a woman that's my girlfriend. Men, we're not entitled to preferences. You don't, you know, you don't. You don't, you don't, you don't, you don't,
Starting point is 01:03:14 you don't dedicate as much energy to the argument. Sure. It's not your girl. Like, you find yourself, you like, I'm going to argue with you. Like, you're not my girl. Why am I even arguing with you? You ever be explaining yourself and you catch yourself?
Starting point is 01:03:26 Y'all be so mad. Yo, I caught myself explaining myself to a girl that was not my girl one time. And I was like, why the fuck did I even just tell you all of that? Yeah. She was like, I have no idea. I didn't ask you that. And I'm like, word, like, just delete all that from your memory. But anyway, a mother gave her son of eviction papers on his 18th birthday.
Starting point is 01:03:43 I like it. She must be Irish. You know how crazy that is? Like, just imagine you turn 18 and your mom is like, yeah, so. next week you're going to have to find a new place. I'm no longer taking care of you. You're not on my insurance anymore. Can I imagine?
Starting point is 01:03:59 I've lived it. Your mom kicked you out when you was 18? I kicked out, but it was always a thing throughout high school that you need to leave here at 18. Wow. Listen, if I was in the gutter or like whatever, of course I could go back to my. But she gave me the speech like, yo, you need to start. No, but it wasn't not in like a bad way. It was just more of an encouraging, like, it's, I expect you.
Starting point is 01:04:21 to get out of here and you're going to want to get out of here. Yeah. Yeah. So if I needed to go home, of course I could have, but it was encouraged and, you know, put in the air that, hey, go figure it out. Even if you've got to live in some really shitty places, that's life. In New York City, though, I feel like 18 is so early for New York City. Is it just me?
Starting point is 01:04:40 I mean, that is me. You've probably been outside since you were like 14, though. Yeah, but I mean, being outside and being able to afford to $14,000. Being outside and having to sleep outside of two totally different things. I could be outside, but moms ain't changed these locks yet. My key still working. My bedroom is still there.
Starting point is 01:04:56 Like, I'm going to sleep. But you're viewing it more as I'm going to leave at 18 and go get my first apartment. No, you have to go figure out where to live. Yeah. Like, I had to use my network until I was 22 on places to stay. Yeah. And I would find certain rooms for $175. I'd stay there for three months.
Starting point is 01:05:15 And, like, you figure shit out. No, I didn't just go get an apartment. I was couch surfing. I was, yo, asking my God, I stay in your basement for two months. Like, just shit like that is how you, it's the tool to figure shit out. Are you going to,
Starting point is 01:05:27 which I've adapted to every part of my life. Whenever you decide to have a child, are you going to do that to your child? I feel like the answer is going to differentiate based on if it's a son or a daughter, though. And at the time. The answer, the answer differentiates based on race as well.
Starting point is 01:05:41 Like, it's very dangerous for a black parent that's sending their black daughter, a black son out to the streets at 18. And say figure it out. And say figure it out. Yeah. Like, that's just what white privilege comes in. It's just, that's just what it is.
Starting point is 01:05:53 It comes down to race. It comes down to financial status. But then again, there is a lot of access to a lot of white families that just because of the resources, just have their kids live with them until they're 30 and it's not even look weird at all. Some white people have their kids live with them to their 30.
Starting point is 01:06:11 Thank you, Italians. Yeah, some white people have their kids live with them till 30 and have kids with their kids too. I mean, I would never want to put like an actual, the way this 18th birthday thing, but with my children, again, circumstances would be different. Oh, y'all, you didn't see that documentary? I was just, wait, yeah, wait. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, didn't see the documentary with the, the white girl who, who's fought the guy that raised her entire life, like, ended up having kids with her and then killed her. Is it not Game of Thrones? That's on HBO. It's probably, it's, it's the lineage of Game of Thrones.
Starting point is 01:06:46 Those are their ancestors. The Caucasus Mountains. Family traditions, as we called them. Exactly. It was handed down generationally. Yes. But yeah, it's just different. It's a difference based on race and financial status as well.
Starting point is 01:07:01 That's a very thing. And I just think families in general view things different. You didn't answer my question. I was about to. She sounds like she's about to argue with you through text. I wouldn't put a date 18th birthday you have to be out. It would be circumstantial base. But yes, I will encourage my kid.
Starting point is 01:07:16 to figure things out as safe as possible. You're not putting your daughter out at 18. What's the cutoff? Like, you're too old. Get out of my house, no matter. I've seen people, parents that love their kids so much, they would never throw them out on the street. But at some point, you're going to have to start contributing
Starting point is 01:07:33 and paying some type of rent in this house. Like, if we have a house and, like, you can live in the basement, my kids can stay down there however long. I wouldn't give a fuck. But if we have, like, an apartment. And, like, I got to actively see you every, like, time I come out of my bedroom. It's going to come in time.
Starting point is 01:07:47 I'm like, you'll listen, what we're doing? I just, I'm tired of seeing you in this fucking kitchen every time I'm in. My thing is, no matter what eventually a kid is not going to want to stay
Starting point is 01:07:56 under their parents' roof. So if it takes them till they're 30 to figure that out, I'm not judging. Everyone's path is everyone's path. Why I encourage is that? Because it sucks once you're 30 and don't even know
Starting point is 01:08:08 how to pay Con Ed. You don't know anything. Even if you contribute to your household, you don't know how to run a household. Yeah. even if your parents make you do laundry, take the trash, out, clean up,
Starting point is 01:08:17 you still don't know what that's like when you're by your, it's life skills. So many things that you can't learn unless you're on your own figuring out by yourself, if I don't do this today, I don't eat today.
Starting point is 01:08:29 It's a different mentality which I want my kids to have and instilling them. It doesn't mean on their 18th birthday, get the fuck out and don't talk to me. But that's going to be in the air at some point. You don't want to be 30
Starting point is 01:08:42 and not know how to pay a bill. I mean, but that's something that takes two seconds to learn. That's a soft life, though. And once you have money, you figure out how to pay bills very easily. Uh-huh. Auto pay. I love auto pay. You're super adulting if your bills are on auto pay.
Starting point is 01:08:56 Auto pay. Just take this shit out. Just recently put my show up. The pain is still painful once you see it, but it's like it doesn't hurt as much. You don't even see it. But when you do see it, when you go and look at the statement, you're like, oh, fuck, got to pay that shit. Fuck.
Starting point is 01:09:10 Sorry, whatever. Well, what, I answered it. Are y'all kicking your kids out? No, my son maybe. My daughter, no. My daughter can live with me as long. I'm Latino, so we kind of let our people rock for a while, you know. Oh, yeah, y'all have three generations in the same house.
Starting point is 01:09:24 Yeah, we be letting people chill. Yeah, I go to your house. Yeah, I go to your house. Grandma be sleeping on the couch with the house dress on all day. We just need to be playing 2K while grandma on the couch sleep. Yeah, it's like your fan. Why y'all don't put granny in a home or something? Nah, we definitely don't believe in that shit.
Starting point is 01:09:41 See, I think, I think that that's very beautiful. because Hispanic cultures and Asian cultures are like that too where they're very family oriented like because you want the lessons that the grandparents know you're supposed to pass those on to generations those lessons. I was jealous of giving a buck. I grew up with a bunch of Spanish people.
Starting point is 01:10:02 They just be using grandma to babysit. Exactly. She always home. She ain't got to go to when she cooked. Like my home boys, we used to be outside all day playing as soon as we get, like I'll go back to the home. Grandma in the kitchen whipping up a whole bubble. Faye.
Starting point is 01:10:14 You ate that shit, right? I see why Granny's still. Y'all niggins just got Granny in here cooking and fucking watching the game. But Granny likes to cook. But Granny likes that. Oh no, she loves it. Yeah, she loves it.
Starting point is 01:10:22 I was jealous of how my dad grew up, not the location he grew up in, but in Newark they had like those the three floor joints where there's three different apartments. They lived, him, his brother, sister, his mom, dad lived on the first floor. His grandparents lived on the second floor and there was
Starting point is 01:10:37 aunts and uncles on the third. And it was just one big fucking Irish Farrow house that, like, it I just thought that was dope that like a whole family could live in one house like that. I didn't know you had a house of Farrow. Yes, House of Farrow. Oh, good. That's dope.
Starting point is 01:10:50 Yeah, my grandmother's house was like that where I had aunts and stuff that live with my grandmother. We had Soul Food Sunday every Sunday. And then I just moved out. The only reason why I moved out of my house, my parents' house was because I got this job and had to come to New York. I would have still been living with my parents. Now, granted, I'd moved out and moved in with boyfriends and things like that. But as far as rushing to go pay rent somewhere.
Starting point is 01:11:12 You had sex in your parents' house? Sure did. Why you need to put your hand on your head like that was fly? I didn't say it was fly. I didn't say it was fly. It wasn't done in a disrespectful way. They didn't know that it was happening. You was in there getting your shit blown out?
Starting point is 01:11:26 The house was big enough where they didn't hear me. Excuse me? You put your head under the pillow. Yo. You was moaning in the pillow? You put a sock in your mouth. You put a cock in her mouth. What the fuck?
Starting point is 01:11:40 It wasn't a sock at it. I'll show you out of silence. That wasn't cotton. That was flesh. Was not cotton. I can guarantee you that. My point was my point. My bad baby.
Starting point is 01:11:50 What was your point? I was trying to figure out the, now I think about it. What was the point? You just fucking in your parents out? And more lying like he's not fucked in his in. Did I fuck in my mom's house? I did my best fucking in my mom's house. I haven't fucked like that since I moved up.
Starting point is 01:12:07 No, no, no. No, I'm not doing that. I don't play with black mothers like that. Black mothers, they're not. go off for that. Demaris has. Demaris is a hoochie mama. You know she was fucking
Starting point is 01:12:16 her mother's bed. I was younger though. And you probably only fucked in your mom's bed because you wash clothes and put them on your bed and didn't want to like fold them. I was going to say was it necessity
Starting point is 01:12:23 or like for a thrill? I had a I had a full size bed and my mother had a king size bed. Oh you wanted to roll around. You wanted to get tossed around like a little. You was like, oh my God,
Starting point is 01:12:38 I got to get a king size. Oh. All right. serious question time. You ever walked in on your parents fucking? That's making uncomfortable. I don't think I have. Trauma.
Starting point is 01:12:47 Traumatic. Yeah. Talk about it. I don't want. Speak your pain. Go on your sound journey right now. Your bed? Yo, your parents fucking in your bed is crazy.
Starting point is 01:12:56 By the way, for the same reason, Demeris did it, for a thrill. Leave the door over, honey. No, but then you're dagging mad. This bed is too small. He wanted to challenge himself that day. He's like, I'm too, I've got too comfortable with the king. Let me get back to basics. Let me get back to the full.
Starting point is 01:13:09 Let me humble myself. He's like, oh, it reminds me a college. We've gotten too comfortable. Let's humble ourselves, Betty. Betty. Not Demaris's mother's name. What position were they in? How old are you?
Starting point is 01:13:28 Demaris, you know, she screamed and dropped her juice or whatever she had in her hand and ran. You know, she didn't stay at a watch. I was around. I think I had to be around eight. Oh, my gosh. That's way too young. No, no.
Starting point is 01:13:37 I'm too much. I'm talking about an adult. I think it was like 10. I might have been around 10. Well, my parents broke up when I was like, See, AID is still an age where they could just start doing something to make it look like they just cuddling. I'm talking about when you're like 17, 18, when you know they in there slamming. I highly doubt my parents have fucked since I was 10 or 11.
Starting point is 01:13:55 Maybe 9. So, yeah, it was never something. Maybe I heard it and I blocked it up. How vividly do you remember it? Maybe George Lopez, a lowrider, was blocking out my parents. Maybe any time I hear that is the trauma of trying to block out my parents fucking. Here at George Loweater, the lowrider, every time you think about your parents having sex, it's crazy.
Starting point is 01:14:16 Low Rinder. Maybe that was actually my dad singing it. It wasn't even the TV wasn't even on. We want to say, congrats to Stefan Curry on signing $1 billion. Can we talk about that munch chick and that thing that went around? I don't know if it's true because I don't know a real business and we can never trust Twitter, but I saw that report.
Starting point is 01:14:44 that all of her $4,000 booking she was canceling because she upped her shit to $15.000. Yeah. Yeah. I understand knowing your worth and that this shit is out. I think that girl is going to miss and hate herself
Starting point is 01:14:56 for not taking a lot of those 4K bookings that she turned the fuck down. Listen, you said you was going to do it for 4K. I know the record blew up. Take that 4K. Listen, I'm sure it's a couple 4Ks. Ice spice? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:10 Listen, she's from the Bronx. I support it. I love the record. I'm not saying she can't make another one. Yeah, I'm room for. I support her. But Shorty, listen, go get them small bags too. They add up.
Starting point is 01:15:20 Yeah. I mean, you don't want to step over them small bags to get a couple big bags. Stack them small bags. You know what I mean? Get your nice little condo or something somewhere. But don't step over them small bags just to get a couple big bags. You don't want to take them small bags too. And on top of that, like, starting out of your career.
Starting point is 01:15:35 And she's young, so I'm not expecting her to know this. And I don't know what her management situation is. So again, not judging, just looking at what I see. you do want to start a reputation that you do good business because that's why people will want to continue to book you, work with you, and tell their peers, because it's still a small world in that booking place. Hey, she does good business. She shows up.
Starting point is 01:15:56 So if you said you was going to go there and do that show or walk through for four gram, stick by your words, maybe make less money, but everyone will say, hey, she does good business. She sticks to what she said she was going to do. She's reliable. that $4 grand is worth it That $15,000 will be worth it. The shows you already have booked on of those shows for the price that was agreed upon.
Starting point is 01:16:18 Not specific to her, just artists in general, especially once a record goes viral. Now, any new bookings, I understand her saying, all right, it's 15K now. But if these are old bookings, and then she's trying to raise the price on the number they agreed on, that's like, you don't want to do that.
Starting point is 01:16:31 You don't want to do that. Yesterday's price is not today's price. I get all that. But trust me, it goes further once you start having a reputation that you do good business and you stick to your work. people will book you more. Does she have other records? Or is just this?
Starting point is 01:16:44 She has other records. They haven't popped like this one, obviously. I'm just saying if she's doing 15. I mean, how much records are fire? For 15 bands, if they're just expecting her to do one song, then. They're only there to hear one song. They don't care about the other song. Yeah, I would have to get that one song, her performing.
Starting point is 01:16:59 They could record themselves on TikTok while they're there. You know how that goes. And I mean, again, if she's, I'm not mad at her, you know, raising her number. But if she has contracts or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, you know, that she agreed to do for 4K. I'm not getting in her pockets. I don't even care about the amount. I'm just saying I see a lot of young artists,
Starting point is 01:17:18 especially when we were doing Paloosa stuff, pull this type of stuff before where they've agreed to something and don't do it. And that word gets around that just people do, and again, I'm not saying she's doing this, but people do bad business. And it's like, that's not worth that amount of money to get her there because she's going to make your event
Starting point is 01:17:33 a fucking nightmare. Yeah. Shout out to Steph Curry. He signed a one bill. billion dollar lifetime deal with under armor um speaking a good business salute to stuff man i you know i caught some flack on the internet for saying he's a top five player of all time i think that this deal probably solidifies my argument i mean i don't know any a lot of players that have a one billion dollar lifetime deal well i mean it wasn't readily available no it's been a billion dollars
Starting point is 01:18:03 has been readily available in the last few years absolutely oh no for the last few years i'm just saying like i don't know if like wilt was going to get the billion dollar Converse contract. Magic's 10 for 10. Wilt has, I think, one ring. Oh, listen, I was not against you saying Steph Curry's top five. I just don't know if that amount of money was available for artists that could be, artists, athletes that could be.
Starting point is 01:18:26 Let me tell you something. Debated at the top five type of thing. And also top five. Excuse me, two rings. I'm sorry. Top five, just be, your endorsement deals don't have anything to do with how good of a player you are. No, no, you can be an amazing place.
Starting point is 01:18:40 and get endorsed. All right. It has a lot to do. It does, but it's not just everything because you can be an extremely popular player and get endorsement. If you're extremely popular because you're usually extremely good on what you do. I think what DeMaris, no, D'Maris is trying to say. Thank you, I think.
Starting point is 01:18:57 That out of all the elite, out of all the elite players. I'm thinking them and didn't even hear what she said. She loves this White King. Thank you, White King. The fuck? Thank you. The fuck are you thinking it for. You don't even know what he about to say.
Starting point is 01:19:09 And I'm about to change what I don't think she was saying. Out of all the elite players, there's other factors that could get you more money as far as popularity. Like Iverson was an elite player, but he was a beloved player. So he was worth more money from an endorsement deal than maybe Tony Parker was. Well, Stephs. Shaquille O'Neill as well, who isn't even playing anymore and still gets endorsement deals. But it's based off their performance is the number one thing. After that, it's other factors.
Starting point is 01:19:34 I'm going to make this very clear. I'm going to say this one more time for y'all. Steph Curry signs a $1 billion lifetime deal. None of these other fucking players y'all named have signed a $1 billion deal. Excuse me, Braun is a rock boy, so technically four. Shout out to Steph Curry and Under Armour. You did not turn the fentanyl to Fenty Mall. Shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 01:19:58 I didn't. You're right. I do a podcast. I create content for a living. Steph Curry, shout out to Steph Curry on this lifetime deal with Under Armour. Shout out to Dach Prescott To Des? No,
Starting point is 01:20:10 Tedes from my name. Shout to Dac Prescott. He's out for six to eight weeks. Why would you shout him out? Listen, man, he needs something. The Cowboys are always fucked every year. That's why. Every year.
Starting point is 01:20:23 They're America's team. The Cowboys are like the Knicks of the NFL. No. Keep the Knicks away from that shit. It's the same. I don't like the Cowboys and I'm a Knicks fans. I think that's disrespectful to the Cowboys. to say that they're like the Knicks.
Starting point is 01:20:39 And I hate the Cowboys. But, well, in all seriousness, you know, hopefully Dak Prescott gets better soon, but he is out right now for six to eight weeks after being injured in game one. I love the, and I feel like the backup quarterback, was he the backup quarterback they had when Dak went out last year or the year before?
Starting point is 01:21:00 I feel like the backup quarterback played really well at one point. I could be wrong. I know nothing about football. I haven't been keeping up with the shit in the last. Are you talking about Tony Romo when Bledso went down? No, no, come on, man. Does Bledso have, if we're going to get into football, Drew Bledso has the greatest sons.
Starting point is 01:21:16 One of the best quarterbacks ever. No, he's one of the best injured quarterbacks of all time. He birthed Tom Brady and Tony Romo. His injuries have changed lives. No, but when he was healthy in New England, I was a, I'm a New England fan because of Drew Bledso. Drew Bledso and Ben Coats, that's, in 90-fucking eight was like.
Starting point is 01:21:36 my shit. Yeah. No, Bledso was great. I'm just saying he is birthed through his pelvis breaking. He's had some of the best understudies in the game, for sure. His Super Bowl ring is because of when he went out and Brady won. Well, that's, and let's not forget, Brady went down in the playoffs and Bledso beat that Steelers team by himself to get them to the fucking Super Bowl.
Starting point is 01:21:57 Yeah. So shout out to Drew Bledso. He would be a great commentator too. Why isn't Bledso not like doing media? I mean, he does, he does things here and there. He's not like a every week guy, but he makes appearances here in certain games. Shout out to Terry Glenn. The Redeemed Team documentary is on the way on Netflix, I believe.
Starting point is 01:22:15 Wait, can we still stay on Dak Prescott in that fake Jerry Jones tweet then went viral? I forgot about that. Jerry Jones tweeted, well, he didn't really tweet it, but Jerry Jones tweeted, if you have a Cowboys jersey and live in the greater Dallas area, show up to practice today. I thought that was amazing. Whoever came up with that fake tweet, that was dope. I loved it. You know, you got to poke fun at the Cowboys because it's just they suffer so much heartbreak every single year. Do you think Mark Wahlberg will show up?
Starting point is 01:22:46 I don't know who will show up, but it'll be fun to have. I think that's great PR to just have an open tryout and just, you know, film it. Let's see who shows up. How do you think the Eagles feel in their legacy that just some guy from the bar just showed up and made an impact on their team. Help the team. That's a great story. The Impact Award.
Starting point is 01:23:06 Because you know, you know, a lot of guys at the barb, you know, they see a guy drop a pass. Like, how the fuck I can catch that? Yeah. So now it's like, oh, can you? Here's your chance. Mark Wahlberg can. Go out there and do it. That was that Invincible?
Starting point is 01:23:16 With Mark Wahlberg. Good movie. Hilarious movie. Invincible or Rudy? As far as like a better movie or a shittier movie. Rudy wasn't a shitty movie? No, it wasn't. It's just a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a,
Starting point is 01:23:33 he got in he wasn't happy he got in the game how was it a shitty it's a story of celebrating mediocrity oh it's it's giving
Starting point is 01:23:45 the little guys a chance Rory that's what it's about Rory you cried during Rudy No he Rory definitely cried during You cried during the departed Rory Rory
Starting point is 01:23:54 I definitely cried during the departed I definitely cried during the departed To this day you could throw on the departed And I might cry What are you crying for The departed? I mean
Starting point is 01:24:03 Listen, man, all he was trying to do was make a difference. That's what Rudy was trying to do for the little guys in the community. You can play for Notre Dame, too. Nah, you can kind of charm your way. You can guilt trip a new coach into letting you put the uniform on because your dumbass wanted to run into people. No one told you to do that. All right, him getting into Notre Dame, I thought was ill.
Starting point is 01:24:26 Now go get your degree because we didn't get Rudy too. Did he do anything with his degree? You can't root. Obviously he wasn't going to go to league because he couldn't even. Don't front like you didn't cry. he got the sack though when he sacked the quarterback that was not true you didn't cry he definitely cried he's like so little he cried okay mo you played sports right yes i did you know like especially when you're not going to make playoffs or like the next shit and it's a blowout everyone
Starting point is 01:24:52 starts to relax a bit yeah that sack has an asteret yeah that that gap was open but he the game was Rudy went through the A gap untouched. Like, I'm not about to celebrate this shit. You hate no, Rudy. I'm not going to let you do that. No, I didn't know. Rudy is a classic. The Redeemed team documentary is coming on...
Starting point is 01:25:14 Pause, that sounds crazy. Reteemed team documentary is coming to Netflix. The whole redeem team definitely came on something. Oh, absolutely. We know what the redeem was about. The own told story of one of the greatest comebacks in sports history led by Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, LeBron James. I believe Dwight Howard was on that team.
Starting point is 01:25:32 Carmelo. Yeah. Carmelo Anthony. That was such a fun year to watch. Yeah, that was a, this is going to be fun to watch. It's going to be fun to watch. It's going to be good to see Kobe in those moments with the younger guys, the younger stars that are still playing.
Starting point is 01:25:45 A veteran, Vince Carter. Well, I mean, shit. Judge about his career. He was a veteran but still had 20 years left. Vince Carter is one of the most underrated players, I believe. One of my favorite players ever. Because everybody just, when they think of Vince, they just think of Duncan and, you know, he was a high jumper.
Starting point is 01:25:59 Doesn't he still? Well, no, I'm sure Steph Curry broke it. But he had the three-point playoff record. Like, he was lights out shooting. Vince Carter is one of the most underrated, most underappreciated players, I think, ever. And so because, you know, people just think of him being a high jumper. He had a complete game when he was in Toronto. Even a lot of the years with the Nets.
Starting point is 01:26:20 Like, he had a complete, complete game. Could shoot it, could handle the ball, pass, defended pretty well. So yeah, man. Shout out to this redeem team. I'm looking forward to seeing this documentary. Vince is why the N1 brand took off again. Yeah, yeah. After Barbary fucked his.
Starting point is 01:26:38 Vince wore him in the dunk contest. He wore him in the iconic contest. He wore him in a dunk contest. And he wasn't even signed to N1. He just won't. Yeah, I was kind of upset, speaking of that N1 documentary, that they didn't come back to what Steph did for all the public schools in New York City and gave them the N1 Steph sneaker to all the high school basketball players.
Starting point is 01:26:58 Like, I thought that was- Steph was signed to AN1 at one point? Steph on Marbury? Oh, Steph. I thought you meant Steph Curry. Oh, yeah, I'm thinking about Steph Curry. That's the first step to me.
Starting point is 01:27:07 I don't think, I know Steph is Steph Curry, but yeah. Yeah, but when you say Steph and right now, I'm thinking Steph Curry. Fair. But we were talking about the AN1 shit. Yeah, no. That was another thing I thought they left out of the N1 part that I think speaks highly of that brand. Well, they did escalate dirty. Yeah, we spoke about it on the pod.
Starting point is 01:27:22 I can't believe that they didn't even bring escalate into it, but, you know, rest and peace to escalate. Yep. I want to have A.O. on this podcast? Yeah, we can hit A.O. See if he'll come sit down and kick. He will.
Starting point is 01:27:35 That bum-ass nigga ain't doing that. No, that's my niggins. Can we get problematic A.O. though? I don't want media trained post-doc. I don't know. I don't know which A.O. I don't know which A.O. will get. But I'll text him and ask him, you know,
Starting point is 01:27:49 if he's going to come kick it with us and be politically correct. Or if he's going to talk shit or he'll be talking shit in our text messages. You want to be a funny sketch or like some type of thing we could do? if me and A.O. Like, go, I don't know, do like a basketball signing or something, and I just pretend to be the professor. Like, A.O. and I go out at some point, and I can just dress as the professor.
Starting point is 01:28:10 Then you've got the professor send you a letter saying that you owe him money. Yeah, season desist. Or what would be even funnier, do the opposite of white man can't jump. Like, A.O. goes to the court and, like, oh, shit, he brought the professor with him, and then I get the ball, and it's like, not the professor. They found out you to substitute. I'm just not the professor. He's the substitute.
Starting point is 01:28:31 That was actually very funny. Roger Federer has announced his retirement from tennis to my tennis family and beyond. Of all the gifts that tennis has given me over the years, the greatest without a doubt, has been the people I've met along the way. My friends, my competitors, and most of all the fans who give the sport its life. Today, I want to share some news with all of you. As many of you know, the past few years have presented me with challenges in the form of injuries and surgeries. I've worked hard to return the full competitive form. But I also know my body's capacities and limits.
Starting point is 01:28:57 And its message to me lately has been clear. I am 41 years old. I have played more than 1,500 matches over 24 years. Tennis has treated me more generously than I ever would have dreamt. And now I must recognize that my knees are fucking burning. My hamstrings are torn and my toes are bleeding. Yes. The Leverick Cup next week and London will be my final ATP event.
Starting point is 01:29:18 I will play more tennis with my kids once they are able to play in the future, of course, but just not in the Grand Slam or on the tour. Listen, if Serena's retiring, I need to retire. Shout out to Roger Federer. One of the greatest to ever play the game. Yes. Just not the greatest, but one of the greatest. Salute to a hell of a career.
Starting point is 01:29:37 I do like that. He didn't stomp on Serena. Like, they let it go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do that. As much as we love Federer, he could never. They could do it on the exact same time of day on the same day. And nobody would give a shit. I wouldn't even compare it to that.
Starting point is 01:29:53 Luca Donchitz is in a legal battle with his mom. over the rights to his name. She gave birth to him, so she feels like she owns him forever. Luca Donchus in the legal battle with his mom. This feels like the Marshall Matters. Because she won't give up his trademark, Luca Donchich 7.
Starting point is 01:30:09 He can't start his own trademark because she currently has one under his name. Is that Luca's mom? She bad. Oh, she's hot. I don't know in much about this, so I can't speak on. It's kind of weird that your mom owns the trademark to your name.
Starting point is 01:30:26 I mean, she's your mom. So obviously she, you know, she'll always be that. She gave birth to you. But I don't legally owning the trademark to my name is kind of weird. Can someone find a video of Luca, like, walking into the arena? You know, athletes have the headphones on and shit and just put cleaning out my closet behind it. You know, Luca goes crazy to the Marshall Matters LP before a game. Luca don't even, he probably don't even know who Eminem is.
Starting point is 01:30:54 That's the funny shit. He's young. Well, all does Luca, 22? Yeah, but, you know, overseas Eminem is like. like the biggest rapper ever. 23. He's going to make a lot of money. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 01:31:08 Tickets are on sale now. We're in Chicago this weekend. We'll be in D.C. next weekend at the Howard Theater. Yes, sir. Get your tickets now at new Roryn Mall.com. We announced that we have a podcast open for us in Chicago. Do we know the name of the podcast? Not yet.
Starting point is 01:31:28 Not yet. Okay. Do we know the name of the podcast? name of the, obviously we don't know the name of the podcast in D.C., but we will be looking for a lot of podcasts in each city to come on stage, open up for us, pause, do what you do. We just want to, you know, hear with these other podcasts and these cities are doing. Just give some love and some light to these other platforms.
Starting point is 01:31:47 By the time you guys hear this, I think our Chicago one will be confirmed. But Washington, D.C., if you have a podcast, if you like a podcast in D.C., if your friend is a podcast, let us know. Spread the word. We are looking for an opener in D.C. and for the remainder of the tour. But for now, let's focus on D.C. If you send us a bunch of shit for Seattle,
Starting point is 01:32:04 we're not going to look at it until the week of Seattle. Spokane. Spokane. So, D.C., we need an opener. Spokane. Somebody said it was Spokane. It is Spokane. That is amazing coming from you because you said Bougu-Banton,
Starting point is 01:32:19 but you know how to say Spokane. Got a love with Damaris. Just moves the bar sometimes. Got a love with doing. Yeah, honey. You know what? I want to address something on this motherfucking podcast. I'm tired of you picking on me.
Starting point is 01:32:28 She's reading the comments See the white king She said thank you Didn't even know what she was thanking him for When it's black She got a problem with me You know what I'm saying I never meant to make you cry
Starting point is 01:32:38 But tonight I love DeMaris I'm cleaning out my closet Why are we I'm sorry I never meant to hurt you That's what you be singing in the shower You look like
Starting point is 01:32:47 When you get to the piss Just cleaning out my closet With a raw bar of soap You definitely just put the soap Like you don't even get the rag And making it more melodic Is even crazier It's like the acoustic version of cleaning out my closet
Starting point is 01:33:00 What we got going on? Where is Chicago this weekend? So we know what the fuck we're doing this weekend Standing in the hotel going right to the venue Going back to the hotel going home They didn't let the GD's in the door You letting the GDs into the show? They didn't let the GD's in the door
Starting point is 01:33:12 Some politics that Let's let the GDs into the GDs Come on out and hang out with us Friday in Chicago, man Wait, but hold on, is that offensive? What about the other? We don't want all of them together But we shouldn't. All the gangs come out and we'll have
Starting point is 01:33:25 We'll sing cleaning out my closet in harmony together while we hold hands. We'll sing to a white man's rendition of the culture as we hold hands in Chicago. But yeah, we look forward to seeing y'all in Chicago this weekend. We're going to have a lot of fun with y'all. It's good to put some faces to the supporters and the people that, you know, listen to us and watch us every week. Let's have a lot of fun.
Starting point is 01:33:44 Let's be safe. Yeah, man. That's all I got this weekend. I'm with you. Ready to go to Chicago and kick this fucking tour off. New Rorynmall.com. Get your tickets now. Subscribe to our Patreon.
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Starting point is 01:34:19 LLC in a foot fetish page is crazy. Expensive. Yeah, we'll talk to you out soon. Y'all be safe. I'm that nigger. He's just ginger. Peace. I'm going to get your tickets now.
Starting point is 01:34:58 I might walk over to Howard campus. Be the creepy old capa on the plot. Let me know how that goes. Get your tickets now. New Rory.mall.com, and we hope to see you soon. Peace. A win is a win. A win is a win.
Starting point is 01:35:12 I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast,
Starting point is 01:35:25 The Clifford Show. This is a place for, for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok's podcast network on TikTok. On the Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me.
Starting point is 01:35:48 84 was big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick you here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived. with our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.
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