New Rory & MAL - Episode 107 | Benny The Butcher Is Done Talking About Freddie Gibbs

Episode Date: October 4, 2022

Rory & Mal head to Atlanta's Culture Lab to catch up with Benny The Butcher. Of course they press him about his next project, but before they can get into that they discuss his Lyricist of The Year nomination, as well as whether he would prefer a Drama mixtape look or a DJ Khaled album look. They also get into the current state of Griselda as a group, and Benny gets honest with them. He surprises them with some ghostwriting credits he has, and clears the air regarding the situation with Freddie Gibbs. The guys also discuss Benny's creative process, Mal's A&R career, their mutual love for The Sopranos, + more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Will Farrell's Big Money Players and IHart Podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school.

Absolutely. A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they hit a bogo.

Well, then you got it. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How much you wait, Wanda? Right now, about 130. I'm at 183. We should race. No, I want to leave here with my original hips. On the podcast, the matchup with Alia, I pair prominent female athletes with unexpected guests.

On a recent episode, I sat down with undisputed boxing champ, Clarissa Shields, and comedian Wanda Sykes to talk about Wanda's new movie Undercard, the art of trash talk and what it really means to be ladylike. Open your free IHeart Radio app. Search the matchup with Alia and listen now. Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports Network. New Roryan, my... ...and me sitting in Amara in the middle of June. When I'm from, niggins is food. Let's be pick up a tool.

I even got it on me when I pick my kids from school. All right, welcome to another episode of the new Roryam All podcast. I am all. I'm Rory. And we are sitting here today in Atlanta with somebody who I've been dying. to talk to because at one time we were really, really good friends, man. And I don't even get a phone call no more. I don't get texts no more.

This nigga that blew up, been around the world twice. Texas are green now? Yeah, nah, it's my family. Texas went green with Betty. This is my guy. I'm just, you know, so happy that we are able to link up here in Atlanta today for a special, special episode. We with my guy, my family, my brother, Benny the butcher. What's up, man?

My boys, man. What's happening on? No on, man. For real, man. Stop that, man. You know what close you. No, listen, man, you know. I will say, times have changed, Benny.

I feel like I could get a hold of you a lot easier before, too. I don't know, man. Listen, nobody's twisted. I'm happy, though. You know, this is what I always wanted for you. For you. You know, I always wanted this for you, bro. You know, from day one, man, I knew you was a star.

I'm just happy to be, you know, able to link up with you and just tell you in person, man. I'm proud of you. I'm happy for you. Good to see you look good. Right, right, right. We're still talking your shit. Every time I hear you talking, I smile. I'm like, okay, he's still sharp.

As long as you stay sharp, I don't give a fuck, man. If I don't never hear from you, every time I hear you, I want to hear you talk that shit. No, man, you're going to hear from you my dog, man. Yeah. I always like to say this, man, that when you played that record that day, I was living in the projects, man. You know what I'm saying? I could buy that, motherfucking out. 30 needles.

Off my first break on the old podcast that we did. Yeah, that's when, you know, I think it started for me. And when I heard that from you, I mean, everything in that you are, your success. us today. I knew you were still not, you still not, A&R? You're not doing that? Yo, you know what it is, man? I just feel like now, you know, you try to, I like when it's an organic thing. Like with me and you, it was organic. Like, I heard your music. We had never met before that. I heard you, my first brick tape. And I played the record. And then from that point on, you and I connected on the personal level, came to Harlem by the crib, smoke, drank,

talk shit and we just developed a bond since then so a lot of these artists now I feel like it's hard to connect to them on that level man because they come in feeling like they know everything already like you cut from a different cloth you know what I'm saying it's like now a lot of these young artists are young not right right 19

20 21 years old they feel like they know everything you can't tell them nothing because they got however many followers on social media and shit like that it's like all right you got it and I see so many of our listeners are always like you know more that should be a hand or more should be a manager sign these acts all that.

I'm like, so you want Mall to have a whole new career? Like, I don't think people realize like the time and effort it takes to like really sign an artist and what that shit takes. So like, I love that we could just put

artists on that we like and interview on and play their music. Like no strings it's actually. If we like it, we like it. It's rather do stuff like that, man. It's delicate. And if you need me, if you need my help, I'm willing to.

You know what I'm saying? Like if somebody reach out, I'm like, yo, bro, can you introduce me to this? person. Can you help me with this? I wish how should I go about this? I'm always willing to do that for just off the strip if I believe in somebody. And Benny, obviously, he know what it is between him and I. Yeah, just free merch. That's all I need. Yeah. We need some free merch. That's what send me some merch. Every time you drop some shit, just send me a pack. Yeah, I got a guy. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, I got stuff down here too. Oh, sure. Yeah. Anytime I've ever asked for any merch,

Derek has hit me with a link and say, you could buy it here. Yeah, that's how they do me. That's how they do me. That's how they do me. All right, so I don't feel bad. No, no, no. You got to go through that, I don't feel bad. I'd rather get it off the link because if you're trying to get it from West, he's going to give it to you when he feel like it.

Oh, yeah, I've never even asked me. Or what he thinks you should have. Yeah. I'm saying, like, he might do a drop. He might do three drops and don't give you nothing. Yeah. The next one, he'd be like, yo, Buzz, pull up, I got something for you.

Yeah. You're like, man, I wanted that. The mother things, though, and that's when he sent me to link. Yeah, that's funny. Well, we down here for hip hop awards. You're nominated lyricist of the year. More and I were a little critical, I think, of that category.

Not too critical, but critical. I feel like it's just not all lyricists in there or lyricists for the time in which the year cycle should be. I get it. I get it. Yeah, they move the goalpost a little bit. We all love Hoare, but God damn. Right, right, right. Hoard worked one day out the year. And he nominated, but, you know, we understand what that.

No, they want to include the big homie and everything. Yeah, but it's not fair. It's not fair to y'all because it's like, my nigga, that's Hove, bro. Exactly. Like, we can't keep, he's lyrics is of the fucking life time. You know what somebody asked? And he didn't put anything out in the year except for maybe the push verse. You know, somebody asked me, asked you, like, yo, you think you could have wrote a better

first day, fuck it with me. They're like, you could have wrote a better verse than on a God did than Hove. I'm like, Hove lived too long and seen too much. It did too much for anybody to write a better verse. It's the content. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He'd get crazy with the content.

What's y'all relationship with, Caled? I've always found it interesting with the last two Caled albums that Grisota wasn't even brought up or part of it. Because I feel like Calid is tapped in not just with, you know, whatever's on Billboard at the time. But personally me, I don't have a relationship with Calid. I met him one time. It was Grammy weekend. I was going inside a party. He was coming out.

But he said it's like, yo, I love what you doing. Congratulations. He told me congratulations. I'm like, damn, telling me congratulations. I told him the same thing. But, man, I'm a fan. definitely a fan. I love what he doing. He do everything at a high level. And everybody wants that, you know, it's like, it's like an all-star game.

Everybody wants that call up, you know what I'm saying from Calais. When he was putting them records together, I just want to win, win, win, I mean, all of them joints, them kind of records back then. So, we had an, we did a show with, we did that episode with, DJ Drama. Oh, I've seen that. Drama's getting spicy around here. Drama's not playing. Well, you know what it is? I like the newfound spice that drama. I like him talking shit. He feels like he has to because nobody is acknowledging him

as much as they should probably. And drama is a fucking legend. And I agree with that. Yeah, like sometimes you have to not ring your own bell, but you got to like pause. That sound crazy. But not, not, you can't be humble like too long because then it's easy for them to forget about you

and push you to the side. Exactly. And it's like, yo, do y'all know what this dude been doing the last 20 years? Like, he's been doing a lot. So right now where you're at, with Benny the butcher, the artist, what would mean more to you?

A gangster grill or a DJ Khalid album feature? I would have to say, you know, that's me. I can answer that literally. Like, you got to step in and get your gangster grills. I did that. I did the Black Soprento family Gangster Grills, and I want my own gangster grills. Every rapper wants a Grinchster grills,

the same way you want to get that call up. Yeah. But you got to come in, you see Simba coming in with his gangster grills. Yeah. Where you see when them dedications, Wayne was letting you know, like, no, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm on my body. Like, I'm different. I'm different.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And when you get them gangster girls, it's like, no, I'm different. Beanie Siegel, I'm different. Everybody who don't know those, Gucci, man, I'm different. Right. So it's like, you got to get that.

You might start, you might start with the gangster grills to let them know, like, I'm different. but you want to finish off with that calic, you know what I'm saying? So I think they, in the culture, they equal as important, but you got to get that gangster girls first. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? For you even jumping at race for the calic, you know what? I mean, as much as I love to see how gangstor girls has aged and progressed, like with Tyler doing that on his album and everything. Streaming did kind of fuck up one of my favorite parts of Gangsta Girls, though.

Like, I would love a Gangsta Grills tape with you where you rap on everyone else's beats. We just can't do that shit anymore because streaming, you have to get everything clear. man. Everything called the EP album and these is mixtapes. You got to name them different. Like, it's crazy, man. It is all the same. Are you going to go to the actual awards? Yeah, I'm going. Okay. Do you think if Jack Harlow wins, he'll do the McLemore-Kendrick thing and text you and say you should have got it? I don't think so, man. You know, Jack, he a, he a classy dude. He is, I mean, he's a seasoned guy, man. I like him. And, and, you know, he's a classy dude. I mean, he a, he a seasoned guy, man. I like him. And, and, and, I think he deserve everything.

I think he deserve everything he's going to get. But I'm trying to win too, though. You know what I mean? We sat and talked with Conway a few months ago. And, you know, we asked the question, like, listen, man, like, you know, we've been, I know, I know with some of those, you know, fake LOL tweets about the family and the team and, you know, West and Benny kicked me out the car, all that shit. Right, right, right. I know, first and foremost, you're all the family. So, you know, that's first and foremost.

But where does Griselda stand today as far as just the chemistry, the business? Like, where is it at? Is it somewhere where everyone you feel is on the same page? Is it conversations that y'all are not having that y'all probably should have? Like, where is the crew? Where is the fellas at today? This is what I'm going to say. You know what I mean?

Like, you see, we just did rolling loud. Each of us had a different day. You know, Griselda never been a group. We've never been a group. That's why it's called Griselda Records. Like who you announced by the record label name? When, do you call them like, yo, young money, cash money?

You call them by their names, or you call them who they were. When they first came out, it was West Side Gunner Conway. Yeah. Right? They was booked for the festivals. West Side Gunn and Conway.

They doing shows West Side Gunn of Conway. I warmed up, and I would say, Griselda Records. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because we don't have a name of the group that Grazell to Records is the label name because we're never, we never been a group.

It's just Wes is a curator so much. That's how he ushered Benny N. That's how he ushered Conway in on his songs. Yeah. So it sounded like a group. You see what he doing with Michelle Records. Yeah. That's what he do.

So I think the answer to the question, I think this is just the evolution of what was supposed to happen. I got my label. Conway got his label. West got new artists. I mean, we got to sit up front. and learn from West. You know what I'm saying?

So I talk to them boys all the time. You know what I'm saying? And I was just on the phone with Wes. He was like, yo, me and Conway was kicking it. I'm expecting, I don't know if they want me to say this or not, but we're trying to do what we're doing what we're going to do too right now. You know what I'm saying? I'm calling when we leave from here like, Buzz, what we're doing?

Because you know what I come with a bag, right? Right. So, but, you know what I mean? But that's where we at with it. Okay. To be honest with you, of course I don't talk as much as with them. Because when I first signed, I moved down here. I lived in the house.

Yeah. And I'm saying? I don't need to live in the house. I got like four of them now on my own shit. So it's like I don't see them. No. I don't see them as often. You know what I'm saying?

So of course we don't talk, but I'm definitely tapping in. You see we put the Black Soprano family tape out. It's important that we get Wes on the intro. Yeah. And I'm saying giving us his blessing. Right. And I'm saying to the newest Black Soprano family artist. You see Conway on there dumping.

And I'm saying, you see. The drumwork. Festival look crazy too. You see me at the drumwork festival. You know what I mean? So we're always going to stay in tune. But the Griselda today is not the Griselda 2017. Where do you think y'all differ?

And I don't mean like in a negative way. Where do y'all differ vision-wise moving forward? Because I'm sure probably in the beginning, it was a similar vision of just getting the three on as much as you could. How has things shifted as far as what West wants to do, what Conway wants to do, and what you want to do? I think, I think West's vision. is to push his envelope with the fashion and with the wrestling.

Well, I know that's his vision. I talk to him. You know what I'm saying? He wants to do the wrestling thing crazy. That's what he's doing. I'm saying he's about to have his own thing. He could do it right now today, but he's so much of a perfectionist. He's just taking everything in.

He could throw an event right now today and it would be big. But he's just putting it together. And the fashion, the wrestling. I think Conway, man, him, it's like kind of more of the same vision. We want to, we want to rap. Yeah. And I'm saying, we want to curate.

You want to curate the wrestling events. You want to curate the fashion. You want to curate other artists' albums. I mean, Conway, we just still want to rap. We still got that chip on our shoulder. Are we ever going to get the Spurs album? Damn, that's a good idea. Hell yeah.

Listen, man, what do you think you're sitting here talking to today? Hey, maybe you should be A&O. What is you doing? Listen, man. What is you doing? I'm right here. Like, let's do it. Mall at Blasprano.com.

We always said the Beni & Conway album, but if we call that the Spurs album and you just come up with shit like that, just sitting here, huh? Yeah. I like that. Because I'm sitting here like, you know, I hear the records. I always listen to this shit. And, you know, I understand how it's so many different things that you have going on as individuals. I get that. And it's beautiful.

It's, you guys creating opportunities, y'all creating different avenues, different streams of income. It's beautiful. But, you know, I remember before it got too busy, shit that, would have been dope. And it's like, right, right, right. When is that going to happen? Because now it's a lot more shit to talk about. Exactly. Yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. You know, so many things have happened. And I'm all about timing. Everything is timing. So no, but you're right. It's time for that. I think it's time for that too. That's why we're talking about the what was Shane going to do too album because like at all of our, all three of us

at our height, it's time to drop the album. It's time to form like Voltron. Yeah. You know what I mean? Don't wait till, you know how niggas usually wait till they cool off, man, you're on a reunion, man, hell no. Right. And it's like while we at our height right now, let's come together for them like Voltron, put all that solo career shit aside and let's go. But they don't point with that, though. That's like, that's about to happen.

Okay. Well, then I also ask the difference in vision sound-wise, because I feel like you've been the one out of the group or label that has drifted away from the typical what we call Grisota sound, right, right, right. Where it be Derringer, Alchemist, that crew, you know, the no drums, jokes on my Twitter and all that. I like the new podcast, man. Y'all ask some good shits, man.

You're your journalist shit. You know why? I think, because we're familiar with each other. Exactly. This shit, people won't ask me. This shit, they won't want to ask me. Because I-I-W-N-W-N-W-N-Bet. When you put out the hit-boy shit, I was like, oh, I know the Grisota fans, because I'm one, but not the way, like, your core is.

I'm like, they about to kill. Even though I love this album, it doesn't sound like Grzilda. Exactly. It sounds like Hit Boy and somebody that could really rap. And I know those fans. I've been in those shows. They want Derringer, Alchemist, Benny Conway, West Side. So what was that like?

And is that something you could even see going into doing a group project that Conway and West would want to even do it, experiment sound-wise? Not to say that they don't, but it is very much the Griselda sound, whereas Hit Boy wasn't. I think so. Because I think that when a what was she going to do, because West talked to me about that. And he was like, yeah, we need that we need that Griselda sound on there also with a more fuller sound. When we say Griselda, the Griselda as of today, he got songs with Travis Scott. Yeah. And I'm saying, Conway got songs with Jay and Kiss on the soundtrack of a movie.

I'm saying, I'm doing joints with Cole and just, so like the Griselda today is going to be a wider sound. To me, if you ask me, so we're going to be getting in the studio with all type of people. Yeah. I'm saying pushing and pulling and pause. You fucking hear you say that. We're in Atlanta, so I... The fuck. Anything goes.

I mean. But just trying to, you know, trying different sounds. Yeah. But you, like you say, I'm, me, I'm going, I'm more of the type of person. When I get in a studio with somebody, I let them drive. Like, you know, Benny, I hear you on this. Because I don't want to get in the studio with hit boy. I don't want to get in the studio with what Mike Will made.

You know what I'm saying? Mike Will made it. any of these guys, and they play something, and I'm like, no, I can't do it. Like, I'm rapping anything. This is what I do. We talk about it how it would come out at the end, and some of them songs, doesn't have been legend.

You know what I'm saying? Some of them songs, doesn't have been like a slide green or five to 50 when I'm getting there and I'm trying, and I'm trying different things. They work for me. Did the hip-boy sessions and just that project in general kind of shift your mind as far as the type of beats that you want to rap on? Hell yeah.

I can't lie. Hell yeah, because I got a broader audience. You know what I'm saying? who don't want to do that. Like me, I'm a hustler. You know, these people got to remember. I'm a hustler. And I've been rapping trap rap.

You know what I'm saying? And I held it down. I've been doing that. But we got the money doing a Griselda thing. You know what I'm saying? So now we did that. We're still doing it. But if it's more money to be got, you know,

a nigger going to chase that bag. I got kids to feed. I'm not worried about, you know what I'm saying? Bullshit. And as much as much albums that y'all put out per year, just the three, do you think maybe the Griselda sound as much as we, proven how successful it is, hold y'all back at all if you continue with it?

I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think it holds us back at all. I think, I think, people think that. So, so they might be apprehensive to, you know what I'm saying, to work with us. They like, they might be apprehensive. You know, the Super Bowl coming up, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't been got, I'm excited to Rock Nation. So my manager's to hit me just like, yo, the Super Bowl coming up.

we got parties and everything. So we, we pitching you for some of them. Yeah. Sometimes I don't get them. And I'm saying? They might feel like, you know, he's like a street rapper,

underground rapper. But we brought that, we brought from Buffalo. We from Buffalo, we from Buffalo to underground to where we at today. I think it can go further. Yeah.

You know, people sleep on it. They're not sure yet. What happened to the, what happened to the Drake record? Because you had, let me hear something a while ago. I don't, I don't think,

I don't think it's coming out because I don't know it's like a clearing issue man I don't know Is it on hearing you think it's on a drag end Because I've heard it Listen we're here to talk man You listen we're not doing that

We're not doing that today my dick I need to know man It can't be a song thing Because I've heard it multiple times And Drake smoked the shit And you smoke the shit So what's the problem What I can say man

Drake did hit me up I was like yo when we dropping it Like he called me up Like he was on me That was a while ago though Yeah But you know I don't know you know what I mean?

Things happen. So last I heard, my managers was trying to get the, was trying to talk to his people's and trying to get it clear. I think it just slowed up. I don't know, you know what he's doing? I'm doing what I'm doing. You know what my problem is? I told the world about the record.

I was excited to work with Drake. I told the world about the record. As you should have. I understand. No, real shit. Real shit. Real shit. And, you know, I'm going to holler at that gym.

Like, man, get this clear. What are we doing? I mean, but do you take. Any of that personal? Because I know plenty of artists that have done features and shit, and then the label won't clear it, but the artist will be like, oh, that rapper probably told their label

not to clear that shit. Did you take any of that personal or even reach out to Drake? Like, what the fuck? Is this a universal thing? Yo, hell, no. I could never take... No, this is real shit, though. I could never take none of that personal because I'm like, it's fucking Drake. You know what I'm saying? This is the biggest artist in the world. So even for him to acknowledge me,

even for him to send me a verse in an open track, like, yo, let's kill that. And he really sent me too. Right. That's what I'm in it for. You know, niggas gonna get money.

Yeah. It's about the acknowledgement to respect amongst my peers. Right. The acknowledgement from the biggest artists in the world. You know what I'm saying? I'm like,

yo, Biddy, let's get on, son. You know, timing is everything. And I believe that's something that could be revisited. And it's only a topic because people want to hear Drake with the bunch. Yeah.

People want to hear it. People want to know how that sound. You know what I'm saying? They want to hear Drake rap with the rappers. But why I like that? And they want to hear the underground people shine with the stars.

And why I like that record is because I felt you went into Drake's world as far as how that beat is. You guys, I feel like even like when West works with Tyler, like y'all bring the artist into the Griselda world, which we want to hear. We want to hear Tyler on some shit that is the Griselda sound.

I wish y'all would go more into other people's world to really show that type of shit because I know y'all so self-contained you don't need to do shit. Let's bring everyone to our world. It's our shit. But that's why I thought that Drake record was so important. Outside of the feature.

Exactly. You got Benny on those type of Drake Beasts we love, like the timestamp type records. People want to see that. People want to see that because they want to know, could we switch it up? We can switch it up. You know what I'm saying? But they want to see that. And even like with the Cole record, and I mean, it's not even a conversation,

but they're going to be bad if we don't ask it. Why did people think Cole was talking to you in his verse? I don't understand why. But that was a big thing on the Internet. They was like, oh, Cole going at Ben. I'm like, I don't think he's going at Benny in this verse. But rappers have done that, though. For sure.

No, you know, rapists. We've got a whole cannabis L.O. Rappers have done that. And, you know, he, he says things like that on the song like, Jesus acts full of feature, you know what I'm saying? But we all do that. You know, that's the nature of a rapper. Yeah.

And I think fans are just, they just read into everything. Yeah. You know, they wanted to, they want him to be saying something to me on the record. You know what I mean? Like, that makes it juicier for them. Yeah. But it's like, man, I don't know, man. Cole, he one of the most solid rappers I met in this shit. Solid individuals, yeah.

You know what I mean? To be honest with you. Did he reach out to you or you reached out to him? I reached out to him. Okay. I reached out to him because I felt like that was the next step for me. I want to rap with the rappers. Same thing with the Drake record. Same thing with my record with push your tea.

Same thing on my record with Black Thought. Same thing. I want a Kendrick record. I want a JZ record. I want to rap with the rappers. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I reached out to him.

I went to one of his. shows in Detroit. I was on tour at the same time. Link kicked the wedding, took a picture with me and the homeboys. He posted the picture, you know, it's just Instagram and internet, but, you know, guys like that don't have to share their platform. Yeah, yeah. You know, you know, nine times out of ten, you see guys like that sharing their platform with people who could help them. You know, I'm not going to get Jay Cole no more, no more followers. I'm not going to get no more streams. You know what I'm saying? So it's dope to see that. That's inspiring to me. That would have me, like, go reach down to

somebody like, yo, let's do this record. Just seeing bruh, he easily do that. But you feel like you have to, outside of your actual personal taste, you want to rap with the rappers, I feel like y'all would sound great with people like Uzi. people like the younger kids that are making not so lyrical, miracle type

rap as the fans will put it. You guys feel like you can't do that type of shit? No, we can. We're going to do that. We can and we're going to do that. It's just that. I think it's just the hip hop in us. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. It's just, that's what I want to do. Yeah. It's all good. to do everything else, but I want to, like, I want to see where I stand in the ring with the guys. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm the guy from Buffalo. It's no bigger, it's no bigger in hip hop than what we are from our city.

We are those guys. So, you know, a large part of the culture, the cult following, the result of the following, want to see how we go with those guys. And that's how I'll do. But I love working with. Man, I got so many records that's about to come out. Shout out to Tay Cobain. I mean, him got a record

a shout out to you heard a Money Man record the record with me and Money Man I'm on a Herbo, new album, you know what I'm saying? I got a record with Malado and Cash Doll. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I love doing those type of records, but and I like to get busy.

You know what I'm saying? I need that feeling in my bones, man. I'm from the 90s era of music. What's an artist that Benny the Butcher listens to that his fans would be absolutely fucking amazed that he even knows who that artist is. Like, you be in the crib, like, because niggas think you in the crib

just listening to the most toughest, grimyest shit. Like, you got Adele playing in the crib, my nigga. Like, I don't got Adele playing in the crib, but I'm listening in, like, I'm an old school nigga. I'm listening to Shot A. Okay. I'm listening to John B. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I might lead a club, rowdy night. I might lead a strip. Rowdy night. You know, it gets rowdy in the places. Yeah, yeah. I'm riding home. I'm listening to the Commodore. Yeah.

You know, every, like, real lyrical rapper I know doesn't listen to lyrical rap ever. They all listen to R&B shit all day, man. I can't get, I can't be inspired. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I can't be inspired if I'm just listening to that genre of music. What else? I listen to, I listen to ESTG.

I listen to Pushaisti. Of course, I, what, Dirk? Code A. I'm listening to Dirk. Yack. I'm on that yak. Future. Gunna.

You know, that's what I'm really listening to all the time. You know what I'm saying? Same thing everybody else listen to. You know what I'm saying? Since we're around the corner from the Mercedes-Benz Theater and Kanye's been going fucking nuts lately, were you involved in any of those Kanye sessions? I know he was posting Griselda stuff at one point. I wasn't in there.

I did the, I went to one studio, well, it was a studio session, but we didn't record nothing. I spent most of my time in Wyoming just kicking it with Sy. Okay. You know what I mean? That was worth it. Yeah, for sure. But, man, I know Conway. and spent a lot of time over there

and Westwood's been right Conway. He's been doing something over there. He's been doing something. What was the Wyoming situation like for you? I mean, it was dope, man. It was just, yeah, he got the whole, yeah, got the whole compound.

It was donkeys and lamb shit just walking around. He got the, them funny trucks and shit you'd be saying, him driving, them shit's to be lighted up and with the keys already in him. Walking past, like, yo, I wouldn't have drive some shit like that. They're like, go.

like the keys is in there. I'm like, man, I ain't touching that shit. That's a liability. I ain't touching your shit. I'm not driving that shit at all. You know what I'm saying? Man, I woke up the next morning and Havoc was there. That was my first time meeting Havoc in the studio, studio with Havoc.

And it's like, yeah, he got the people in the, I didn't stay on a compound. I stayed at a hotel. He got the people like running in the Raptors, like picking you up. They're constantly picking people up and dropping them off, like at a land, like at the airport, private planes and shit. that. So it was like, it's like a little city. What type of town? Like, I got to know what those hotels was thinking when Kanye moved there and just started flying Brazil out there. See him, they're like, coming to the front desk. If I'm working in Wyoming and you walk

to the front desk looking like this. I'm like, God, what the fuck? The diner in town must have been crazy. That's got to be crazy if you've seen that, you know what I mean? But he got his own little city, if you ask me. No, that's what's up. How many, um, how many artists at the Wyoming session that was there did you feel like? damn, I really want to work with this, what this dude. Like, I've always wanted to work with him. I'm like, meeting havoc. I'm pretty sure at one point.

That was it. It was like, damn, half. Like, here we go. Like, shit, say something to him. Like, get the beat from the dude. You know what I mean? But it was half and definitely sigh, man, just kicking it with him. You know what I mean?

That's where I get all my game from, people who've been in the game longer than me. So just picking his brain and he played his album for me. I played my album for him. You know what I'm saying? It's just, and it's just like, okay. I'm saying. Is that a route the way Saha, again, is one of our favorite lyrical rappers, but he's a great writer with other shit as well. And I think typically lyricists are the best writers.

Would you ever write for somebody, not even in some hip-hop shit? Of course. Of course. I could do things like that. Of course. You know what I mean? If the opportunity presents itself, I've done things like that before, but not like an artist stepping to me. You know what I've done that for like, you know, it was crazy, man.

I wrote a song for like, I shouldn't be saying this. I wrote a song for Pinky back in the day. Before anybody ever heard of me, she was trying to rap and I wrote a song. The porn star? I did. All right, we about to have a whole different conversation. I did. No, no, no, no, no.

I'm glad I asked that cliche-ass question. I did. Because we got a crazy fucking, all right, hold on. I did. No, no, no, no. Let's start from the beginning. Start from the beginning. How did you meet Pinky?

And why did you meet Pinky? No, listen. First of all, I need the first, what's the first bar? I need to know how Pinky was coming on the track. Like, what was the first ball? Ma, I didn't go like that. Yo. I didn't know with my city girl shit, Ma.

That's what you asked. And that's what you asked. I got to add. You said it. I never even knew about this. That's why I didn't want to say it. That's why niggas can't be open to vulnerable because the niggas don't make it real shit.

And we don't find the dat of your reference laughing for Pinky. Now I got, I never met Pinky, right? And I was like, what if I ever meet the list? This isn't her. heyday. This one's she did lit. She's so lit, she won't a rap. Everything I'm saying. Yeah, she would try anything. What year was this?

This is like, I want to say 2008. Okay. Ooh, that was Slim Pinky. You know what I mean? This was Slim Kinky. The Cat Stacks era. Slim Pinky. Yep. Yep. DVD era. Yeah. Type of things.

Okay. So Pinky wanted to rap. Who connected who? Like, yo, my man could rap. He'll write your shit. Cheddar DVD. Remember Cheddar DVD? Yeah. I do remember that. From Boston.

See, he was doing a piece with her, and they brought it up. And he was like, I know just a person to write it. You know, that's my homeboy. Okay. He was like, I know just a person to write. And he called me. How did you feel that he said those words? I know just the person to write you a verse pinky.

I might have been offended. No. It wasn't like that. It's just that he knew he could call. He knew I probably was the best rapper. He knew who could do something like that. Me, I always was malleable. Basically, like, I was always like, let me easy to work with.

So when they first came. So I'm thinking like, how could that work? And they just told me it's like, you know, my nigga, you don't got to go all the way, just beat, I mean, just write some shit. I'm like, okay. Because if I got to talk to that dumb shit, like I can't do it. But I just, I just wrote the record. I kind of think I wrote it too lyrical for it, to be honest with you.

Well, you know, we've interviewed and just talked with amazing, visionary writers. I wrote the records, you got my fucking pinky spitting like Talib Kuali. Real shit. I know a lot of writers say when they have to write for somebody, they research them. they really get to know them. They try to understand their lifestyle. Like, what type of research did you do to understand Pinky to write?

I was familiar with her. Like, before you got to the studio, he was like, all right, let me, let me refresh my memory on what Pinky does. When I met her, when I met her, and then I just, you know, she was fly, to be honest with you. And her, I don't think it was her husband or boyfriend at the time. Probably still is now. I'm not sure. Me and him had the same first name, Jeremy. Okay.

I'm saying? So he was, he was a fly nigga too. So I added that. I made it about that shit like that. You know what I'm saying? That's funny. It never came out, though, right? Obviously, we would have heard that shit.

Man. I never heard of pink. But how would you know if you were to, what I'm saying? No, but no, I wouldn't know it was you, but we would have heard a pinky record. I don't think I would have heard a pinky record. I don't think I don't think ever came out.

The thing about it is, to be honest with you, I think I wrote it too lyrical for her. And the way it came out, they was like, ugh. Do you remember any bars from it? No, I don't, my nigg. I don't remember. I think he's lying too. I know who you lie.

I don't remember no bars of the shit, man. Oh, man. I got to Google it, man. I'll look for it. That's some funny. I doubt it's out there, but that's a crazy story, man. I think at some point maybe we might need a Pinky Benny.

Man, I got to pay like eight bones for that, eight racks. That's what's up. Oh, shit. That was okay. That's what I'm saying. And like a feature slot on the DVD. Right.

Like, I was about to be on. I was on my way. Yeah, yeah. I was on my way. Imagine Pinky. putting you on in the rap. That's crazy. Because I remember like when Max V was fucking around

with Roxy Reynolds and shit, there was a time when I feel like porn stars were trying to do the rap thing. And rest of peace, that was probably Kay Slay in their ear. Oh, sure. You know what I mean? Like, they already got a fan base.

No, that's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact. So out of the young dudes that I've seen on the project long-lived DJ Shay, rest in peace, DJ.

And damn, I believe that was the last time we sat and spoke with Benny Shea was in the studio with us. Yeah. He was there. He was there with us. And I believe, well, he passed maybe like two, a week after that. Yeah, not too long after that. Rest in peace.

Good dude. One of the dudes that I really, really like that I, you know, I see y'all kind of like putting your arms around and ushering in stove god. Like, when I hear him, he reminds me a lot of how I felt when I heard you. And it was certain things that he says and how he says certain things and how slick and witty his bars are. but it's also very unique. Like, it's almost an unorthodox kind of flow that he has. Is that one of the young cats that you look at and you might not be able to,

because you've got to keep your poker face when, like, the students is in the room, but is he one of the ones you look at and he says something, you're like, God damn, this nigga's nice. Man, him, Simba, uh, you can't forget Spash, you know what I'm saying? Spash is on a different level.

And we're going to get into y'all history. too, especially. But yeah, man, I definitely see, I definitely, when people ask me about stove, I say stove out of here. He got, he got all the intangibles. And ain't, and ain't none to talk about. He's out of here. You know what I mean?

And me, I always look at myself as like, I'm the one, any, like, when you think about it, anybody who's ever on a record with Benny the butcher, they're rapping at their highest. I feel good that I bring that to the table because everybody don't bring that to the table. Right. What I'm saying? And there's certain artists who bring that to the table for me. okay, this guy bring the best out of me, Conway, especially. So knowing that, you know what I mean?

Like, I've been told that, like, people get on the song with me and they just go crazy. And, you know, Stove has been going crazy, period, on songs with everybody. But I think, like you said, the dynamic, he reminds me and me and me too. So the dynamic of me and him on a song together, like people like that. I think people want to hear more of me and Stove. Absolutely. As a consumer in the audience, that's clearly. Like, when I hear him, I'm like, oh, people want to get, see, they want to hear how to meet him on a song.

record. And we don't have to get too much into detail on the Houston incident at all. But how is that changed as far as how you move? And obviously we see everything going on in the rap community with death, shooting, all that bullshit. Why is it so dangerous to be a rap? How has your lifestyle changed since then? Man, my lifestyle changed since then because I'm definitely more cautious about where I'm at.

You know what I mean? Like me, I don't fear for my life. I don't fear, you know what I mean? And maybe that's a, maybe that's something I might need to do. You know what I'm saying? But I move like I don't move like I'm in danger. Of course I'm not in nobodyhood three or four in the morning. You know what I'm saying?

That shit in Houston happened 3.30 in Houston. Yeah. You for what I'm saying? So, but I definitely move like a rapper now, so to speak. A certain place I might pull up to the gas station. I might be going in, niggas might, yo, don't, I'm going in for you. I got, you know what I'm saying is, I'm not in the hood. I might be on a road somewhere.

Like, niggas's like, no, still, don't get out the car. Right. Like me, I didn't know I was don't get out the car famous. Yeah. That's a mistake. That's a mistake. You know, real shit. You know, this shit do not come with a manual.

You know, these people gave me all this money and nobody introduced me to a banker. Nobody introduced me to a, like, we could call this security dude. Right. Nobody introduced me to nobody. So, man, I think it's so dangerous being, and I think it's so dangerous being a rapper because I talk about this all the time. the lack of people to look up to in our community. So people glorify rappers. Me, I know a difference from a movie in real life.

We all do. A difference from music, art, entertainment, and real life. But these people glorify rappers. They're on YouTube every day. There's people with YouTube channels who got them shit just basically all talking about rappers critically. You know what I'm saying? What they do, what they don't do, antagonizing rappers.

And, uh, niggas like, like this statement, I remember, I remember I was in a club one night and there was this nigga in there. He was like, yeah, you know, he was seen, he looked at me. He looked around. He seemed like the, it was bitches in my face. It was niggas, DJ screaming my name out. He looked around. He looked at him.

He looked back around. He was like, man, and I got more money than these rappers. Hmm. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, that, you know, that's a goal. Right. I mean, they're like, is that, that's your goal? Have more money than Bill Gates.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Have more money than, you know what I mean? Like, that's your goal. Like, people want to, man, I got the rap, smoke rapper weed, smoke red. Like, God damn. It's like the rap is the top of the food chain. People want to do everything rappers do, but at the same time they want to antagonize

rappers. Man, you bitchy ass rap, niggers. Rappers don't got this. Man, rappers, like, it's like a love, hate relationship that the people have with us. They love us so much, they hate us. I'm saying them same niggas who be running up on, niggas. take an autograph. You know what I'm saying?

It's just that it's just dangerous, man. You know what I mean? And we 99.9.9.99% of rappers is all from the ghetto. And we want to go back. Right.

And we want to go back. Even if we're not back in our ghettos where we're from, we want to connect with people in different ghettos to show them like, look, look what I did. I'm like you. My nigga, I'm from right here.

Yeah. But we can't even do that. Right. because they're coming back and seeing us as food. And I'm saying because it's, it's crazy. It's hard. It's hard out here. It's popularity and accessibility, I think, at this point.

Because, like, even when we was coming up, you only knew about the rappers you liked and you didn't know where they were, nor really what they had unless it was a video or they just rap in a verse. Yeah. At this point, they could be just reposted on IG. You'll find out of a new rapper and see what he has.

And then it becomes food at that point. Right. It's just too much. accessibility is too much popularity because somebody could not be a fan or know about a rapper, but they know the IG page and they know other people like them. Oh, he's in LA today? Real shit. That type of shit.

And people just broke as fuck, bro. Yeah. People broke as fuck. No disrespect. I mean, respectfully, because that used to be me. Mm-hmm. And that's still a lot of people that I know. People broke as fuck.

You know what I mean? Like rappers, we're in a different. world. I'm in, I might be in a room where I got the less shit. You know what I mean? I might be, I'm actually in a lot of rooms like that. Right. That's the rooms you want to be in. Exactly. But when I go, when you go back home and you go back like, you're the apex, like, God damn, how the fuck did you do it? Yeah. Like, bro, this is nothing. You know what I'm saying? And our world, this is nothing because people climb into heights and you go to the bottom and it, you know what I mean? People think it, people, people, some, you might fucking blue

10,000 shopping. You might gave it to your family son. And there's somebody and it's people in the hood thinking like, all I need is $10,000 to change my fucking life. Right. And I'll never be broke again. Right. Yeah. That's what they think at least. That's what they think. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like, man, man, people in the hood is like fucked up. Yeah. And you also have to put the psychology of how we all strive for attention now with social media into thievery. Because now it's a stat to rob somebody. Yeah. Like they could go back and say I rob, you could rob somebody that's rich and nobody know them. It's not a stat. You got the money, but we've clearly seen that people like attention more than money these days.

So now when it's a rapper, somebody, oh, y'all know him, I robbed it, that it becomes an real shit, even bigger. It's like, hang with this rapper or rob them? What can I get more cloud off? Exactly, which is just a weird old shit, but you got to really think that attention has gone into the thieves. Like, I get more of a stat because we live in this fucking generation of, look at me, look what I did.

That shit even goes into crimes. How do you feel about the Because I'm, you know, I'm at the age now And I hate it because it means I'm officially old. But the whole culture of like drill music. Like growing up, you know, I remember when, you know, gangster rap came on and Snoop and Dre. Like I used to have to go, I had to sneak to listen to Doggy style.

Like my mom's wouldn't let me just openly listen to that. But like if you listen to Doggy style now and then you listen to that content and you listen to the young rappers now and their content, dogey style wasn't that bad. No, right, right, right, right. It wasn't as violent. And, again, in being out here moving around, we do know how influential music and hip-hop is to the world in our cities and our country.

Do you feel like the drill music or just music in general is playing a part in the violence that is going on? Like because now a lot of these young cats, they really rapping about shit that they really actually doing. And like hip hop is supposed to be the art of storytelling. You don't got to actually be doing that shit. Like a lot of these actors ain't actually killing people. Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? But we're going spending money in the movie theaters and we support these projects.

But why is it in our culture you have to really be killing the motherfucker or you really have to be robbing a nigga? And then you go in there on the music and saying it. And laying it out for the cops to come right to you. Right, right. Do you think that that's planned and programmed that way as far as like the streaming thing now? Because now it's like violence is almost monetary. They're monetizing all for the violence and the shit that's going on in the community. Man, I think, man, I know a lot of people ain't going to like my answer, but I think that shit do play a part of that.

Like, you know, me, everybody knows what kind of music I make. You don't think the motherfuckers see me at shows him. I'm like, bruh, you know what I just did, listen to your own music. It's like, I just sold it. I'm like, bro, don't tell me. Right, right. Don't tell me, bro. Right, right.

You know what I'm saying? So it's just fucked up that the sureties want to prove themselves through the music. Right. You know what? Man, a lot of people could say that about us for the shit that we tell me. Man, all they talk about is selling this or selling that or... Yeah. But the difference to me is that, I mean, we wanted to be bosses.

It was about money. Right. You know what I mean? Money selling drugs is not... It's not... It's not cool. It'll get you an asshole for the time. Right.

It'll have your mama missing you or your kids missing you. But you ain't killing nobody, man. You ain't blowing nobody fucking head off over lyrics and just in the music and just the, and just like you said, it's like, and, and, and my era, you had to be nice. Right. It's like, these niggins don't got to be nice. It's like, if he's okay, but he shot some niggis, like he really is. He's the next one. Right.

You know what I'm saying? I think, I think Shorty's got to be nice. have fucked up with that one. Not saying that you, not saying that I'm not telling nobody to rap about what they don't. I mean, rap fake shit. I'm just saying like, be yourself. Don't ever feel like, don't ever feel like you can't be yourself to get some money or to get next to that pretty girl you like or to get that car you want.

You don't got to be a tough guy. You don't, you could literally be in your own skin. Man, guys like, Drake and Jack Harlow show us that every day. Right. Toby, I'm saying? guys like that. Tyler the creator. Right.

Man, be yourself. Cold. You don't got to... That Johnny Piscati, that video, I refused to go to Sacks for that video because I knew brother was... I knew how brother was going... You know what I mean?

He made me like, no, we're not doing that because I know brother not doing that. You know what I'm saying? I did the video with Money Man. I'm in Sacks. I'm Doshay and Bonn and shit. I know my boy, Money Man. You come and drippy.

Right. But it's like, be yourself. That's why around the time when you discovered me, I was rapping about... I was rapping about... living in the projects having to put the two by four on my door so I can go to sleep at night. Yeah.

You for what I'm saying? Be yourself. Right. Be yourself. You know what I'm saying? That's what people don't think that you got to be a tough guy or like, you know, we really did that. Man, I don't know, man. I ain't going to get you.

I ain't going to get you nothing. So I think the shorties kind of got that misconstrued in, you know what I mean? I love the drill movement because anything that's putting food on the table. It's providing the way for them. Exactly. So it's a touchy subject, but it's like, man, you know what I mean? Don't take it so literal. You know what I mean?

Don't use the music. as a form of violence. Right. And I'm saying they're using the music as a form of violence sometimes. Not all of them. You know, and I don't want to say that. I know that I know these, a lot of these young kids, they born into it.

They don't have a choice like I didn't have a choice. Yeah. So that's what I'm trying to tell you, be yourself in the middle of all that. You maybe wanted to change some of your content, the older you gotten and the different life experiences. Because obviously in the earlier tapes, you was still in Buffalo, still involved in whatever it was. now things have changed.

Right. I think if people listen to my music, my content has changed. I think so too. My content has changed. I'm gonna be honest with you. After that shit in Houston, I don't be rapping about all that shit.

I mean, like guns and shit like that, like that shoe and the shit like that. I don't been in shootouts. Right. Before that Houston shit. Right. Niggas have been in shootouts and dead everything. So even if I do talk about it,

I'm going back, but I'm not just drawn out of it nowhere just to make a point. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't got to talk about frivolous guns. pay it shit you you move different we somewhat earlier like if you've been through some shit you move different right move different I'm moving different I don't I don't want to talk about

people say people say all I do is coke rap fuck them but sometimes I'm going to show like I could do other things right well how has your perspective changed outside of the Houston thing and even safety as far as how you move how is your perspective just changed from the success and just being a full-time rapper and just having an entirety of lifestyle that you have. It's that, man, you know, it's a lot on my shoulders. It's a lot that I could, I can handle anything. Maybe my mama can't handle it, though.

Maybe my kids can't handle it. So I don't want to be like, yo, I could do this. And then putting them through something like, damn, we can't go through that. We need you. So you got to grow the fuck up. Honestly, man. You just got to grow to fuck up and realize that even though I'm the guy with the spot, I'm a guy with the, with the microphone.

But I represent a lot of people. I'm saying? Depending on the butcher is, you know, a lot of people staying behind me. I'm not here by myself. I mean, it was for a lot of people I wouldn't be here. It would be mindful of that. Stop making these selfish decisions

or if it's to hanging out or if it's to just doing shit that I shouldn't be doing. Just thinking, I mean, selfishly. I'd be remissed if I didn't ask and talk about the whole situation with Freddie. only because I fuck with both of y'all personally.

I fuck with both y'all's artists. And just being honest, I don't know what the fuck, how it even started. I'm legitimately confused. Man, you think it's got to ask him that, man. Oh, I plan on it. I plan on it. But as somebody that just knows both of y'all

and know that at one point, it was really loved. I think that nigga just tried to, I think that nigga just try to, try to like, you know, use my energy in some type of way. If I feel like if he couldn't use it by doing songs with me, he was looking for a situation. I mean, everybody, people know how he go. He was looking for a situation, you know what I mean? And this ain't what he wanted.

That's just simple the thing. You know what I'm saying? I don't hate that man. I'm a streetneck. I'm a gangster for real. He ain't not on what I'm on. So I don't hate him. It's music.

You know what I'm saying? for a person who I sat on a video with and done songs with and then be going on Twitter like, that ain't me. That's his shit. I did that shit just to show him like, you can't even beat me at this. Do you feel like your quote, was it an interview or something when you were saying that you didn't want to do?

I don't want to misquote you. Whatever the Freddie Gibbs quote, that's what I saw as far as the timeline goes. That started the whole thing that you said you didn't want to. Look, and I don't even like to talk about this. But like I said, I want to be talking about this if I wasn't with y'all. Right. That's what I was telling somebody else.

You know, people do interviews with him and call me like, yo, just letting you know I did that. I'm like, go ahead and do your shit. Yeah. But when I, when I, I'm not trying to be a tough guy or no, nothing like that. Right. But in this situation, whenever I reacted, it's been heavier. So people like, damn. But like you said, you ain't seen nothing until I, that Ebro, he already, he was already a year

talking about niggas go to Houston get shot. That was a year since. Then. Okay. You make the news when I speak on it. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Whatever he did, whatever you see me go crazy that day. Mm-hmm. Oh, what I mean? Mm-hmm. It's because he did, son. Mm-hmm. Nobody know. When I go, damn.

Yeah. You know what I mean? So that's what I'm saying. So I got to realize is that people look at me as in a different light, how they look at this guy, to be honest with you. Mm-hmm. So they're like, man, that's just him. That's just him.

Mm-hmm. People look at me like, like, you got more sense. or like, bro, what you doing? You know what I'm saying? I'm like, well, shit, we don't expect that from you. The responsibility should we talk about. You know what I'm saying? It's like, but basically that's what it is.

I don't know what it's over. I mean, I'm on Twitter one day. I see that shit. I'm like, what? Last time I seen that nigga, I was at his Grammy shit. And I'm a street nigga. I don't be, I don't fuck with niggas or stand around these niggas to get songs with them.

If we don't fuck around, we don't fucking around. That nigga was acting like me. Like, he fucked with me. Like, yo, that's what I thought. That nigga see me. That nigga seen me. When I seen that nigga at that Grammy shit, the first thing he said to me, I was on the crutches. The first thing that nigga, Freddy said to me, walked him to say, nigga, who we got to kill?

I said, everybody. You start talking about rap. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Yeah. So it's like, I mean, you know what I mean? You all good, man, but. I mean, here's my, I believe that people could just coexist.

Like, it doesn't have to be fucking kumbaya and you have to be friends or anything. Yeah, but what does it take? We were just talking about the drill. I don't want to see y'all shit go to. Exactly. I don't know. We were talking about the drill shit. At what point can we come up with a way to just stop?

Y'all don't have to be cool, but what would it take for y'all to just... You got to keep my name out of his mouth. That's simple. You don't talk about nobody getting shot, especially some shit. That's bottom of the, like I said, I hate to talk about this shit. This should be going viral. But you don't talk about that, especially if he wasn't in that room. Every street nigger know that, man.

Yeah. And if you're talking about it, we're going to carry you like you was like you did it then. Everybody know that. open to a conversation with him at this point? There's nothing to talk about. He could coexist. I don't want to talk. I'm not talking to nobody who, to nobody. I don't give a fuck if he a rapper to nobody who talk about me getting shot. And they almost lost my life. Yeah. Understandable. Yeah. I ain't talking to nobody. You could coexist. It's all good. Yeah. That's what I wanted. That's what I wanted to like, what you doing, bro? Yeah. You're talking about that? Yeah. A word.

As a nigga who act like you fuck with me. Like, come on as a nigga who don't say, who we got to Yeah. Come on, man. That ain't, that ain't, that ain't, that ain't one hundred. I'm saying so But I don't want to I want the people to know I want the world to know that that's how these rappers are so I'm not even blaming him

it's for me I got to learn how to navigate just how after this shit happened in Houston or after if I don't work with a bad label You was applying street street ethics and codes to the rap and music shit What I was about to ask you take accountability for putting

you thought y'all was not just rapper friends No I knew we were only rapper friends I mean don't Your expectation, I guess. Like, he can be my other friend. Me and my other friends, we didn't, you know what I'm saying? Right. So, but it was like, I didn't, I seen it on TV and heard about it in the game, but I

know like these niggas would be together and then just, oh, nigga, just make up some shit out of nowhere, like, make a problem with you. So I'm like, oh, so this shit really happened. So, you know what I'm saying? We look goofy as fuck. Right. We on the songs together and went on tour together. Then this, I'm not that type of nigga.

I'm solid. Right. Anybody could vouching me. I'm not. Right. So whatever he got going on, I know he's going to say, well, he's going to say, well, he did this. Ask that nigger what Benny the butcher did to him to have him be talking about some

shit on Twitter. He's trying to sell some records. That's disappointing. See, I only asked you honestly, bro, because I really did not know how what happened. Nobody know. I know. I called home privately. I was like, yo, can you tell me what's going on with this?

This confused the shit out of me. I was like, I was talking to somebody. I was talking to somebody. Like I said, I'm only talking about this because I'm saying I'm kicking it with y'all. But I was talking to somebody. And it was like, yeah, man, I just feel like you and you had. I'm like, man, because y'all don't know, because it's only a thing when I say it's not a thing.

He going back, he was tight. He tweeted that shit on Twitter like a year and a half ago. Nobody knew because I didn't reply. You know what I'm saying? Okay, okay. So as soon as I spoke about it, now it's the thing. Now it was on every blog. Yeah.

Whatever he woke up, when you see that shit that I did, when you see me on World Style, whatever, when it went, whatever he woke up and did that day, nobody don't know that. I know. You know what I did? They're like, damn, Benny you. You know what I mean? It's like it always come back to me. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying?

So I got to chill. When he did, when he did tweet it, though, did you feel like you wanted to reach out to him or just let me take note and move how I move? I wanted to reach out to him. I wanted to see where it was head was at. Like, that was a year and a half ago. Yeah. Before it got public, I wanted to reach out to him just to check. Like, yo, you.

Temperature check. Like, why you say that shit? That was about, I mean? Yeah. I wanted to see. Yeah. A nigga got to think it back. did I say?

I mean, but you also know, man, sometimes these rap niggas be, like, you see that Michael Jordan shit. And I took that personally. Yeah. Oh, no. Rappers take everything personal. They take everything personally. So a nigga might, but then get it up in his head might thought that I said, I don't know. And I really don't care.

You know what I'm saying? Right. But it's just, I just want people to know that because I be getting flack back. Like I started like I'm bothering this, man. I got way more shit to do. I'm saying. But I knew soon as they let Buffalo niggas in the game, I knew he was going to beat up. rapper. You know what I'm saying? I knew that was going to happen. Not to be on those tough guy

shit. Right. Right. But I just know a nigga was going to underestimate. Think niggas was playing or thinking shit was going to go left for that nigga. That's just what happened. Well, I do. I definitely don't want to see it go any further because like I said, I fucked with both for y'all. And I think that, you know, at one point it was some chemistry good chemistry there. And, um, and we just don't need that shit. We had enough of that shit not coach. We don't need it. I'm not a goofy. Right. You know what I'm saying? This shit got niggas. I'm not a goofy. You know what I mean? then anybody could vouch for that. So just like, and that's another thing.

Like, you got me looking like a goofy. I don't like that. People got my niggas asking me this shit in an interview. I ain't, I ain't do nothing, bro. I feel what I'm saying? I feel you. It's just crazy. Well, of course, they're just going to put it on you because of the city that happened

and all that shit. Exactly. But again, all alleged shit that we don't really need to get in the detail for. I do hope with this album rollout that that does not become a thing. Because, again, y'all don't need to be best friends. I just want that shit to stop. Man, he just got to stop saying my name. Just, yeah, just stop.

I mean, I don't know. Yeah. Because like you said, like, he did, he did for a year. I kept quiet for a year. But then, you know, his album coming and rolling out, so he's saying more and more shit. So it was like, ah, you know what I mean? So it is what it is, though. I mean, at one point, we don't have to make it a Freddie thing.

At what point do you just ignore shit? Especially, like, with popularity. Let's not even put it with rappers, like even fans or any type of criticism or any thing that said about you? Like, have you gotten better at ignoring shit? Like, it's not even worth the energy to acknowledge the shit. I'm getting better when I'm getting better. Like, for every negative thing of my life, like, if somebody say something negative to me,

I try to, like, to respond to somebody who says something positive for every time somebody to do something negative to me. Every time somebody, like, piss me off. I try to, like, call somebody else and, like, uplift a day. like, yo, man, like, man, you're going crazy. It's a good strategy. I try to do the opposite. I try to like, you know what I'm saying?

I'm working on myself, man. I promise I'm working on myself. Yeah. But that's important. As long as you doing that. As far as the. Benny therapy bag, if we want to. So we get into a Benny therapy bag.

We want to be working on a selfish shit. I'm working on myself. How was life on a personal level for you right now? Like, are you happy? Yeah, man. Yeah, I'm happy. I don't know if I like that tone, Benny. I don't know, man.

That ain't sound believable. I'm happy, but I'm not content. Okay. And it's just, and I got a lot of people around me who think this is the end game, who think I'm happy. So it's like, man, I'm just getting starving. I'm looking way down the road, yeah. But do you think you'll only be happy if you're content? Yes.

I feel like that's, I feel like that's a thing for men. A lot of men, we can't be happy or be a blessing and no one's life until we're content. But guess what? I might not need a hundred million dollars to be content. I might need a hundred seashells. I might like want to collect seashells. Whatever it makes us content in our heart. And my thing is not money.

It's doing what I love to do. And being like in that one record, I said being up feel good, but not better than being sure. Right. You know what I'm saying? I want to wake up and be sure every day. I'm saying. I feel like with men and just having ego and nuts and just testosterone and all that shit, I could say what I think will make me content and then I'll get it and I won't be content.

because I have to go to the next thing. So at that point it's like you can't find happiness in being content because we probably won't be consent. That's part of ambition. But we have to get to the next level. But you're right. Like right now you're nominated for lyricists of the year. You go win tomorrow.

Yeah, all right. Next thing, Grammy. Right, right. Won't be content. You can appreciate it. All right. But happiness. It can't make you happy.

Happiness is a journey. Yeah. So you got to keep finding different things to give you that happiness, to give you that joy, to make you content. And it might be, like you said, today it might be this. That's the thing about men. I mean, we're conquerors, we're journeyers. We like to, you know what I'm saying?

We like to do shit like that. So today I might, motherfucking wake up. You see, you see guys like Ludacritz and L, Kooj, and ICT, they're acting. You know what I'm saying? These loose came out and sold tons of records. I'm saying now they switched over acting. And you never know what might fall on your heart. Where do you find fulfillment outside of work in family?

And just travel and seeing new things, man. and just being in places where there's no expectations of me. It just were like, where we got to go today? We don't got to go nowhere. A lot of times when I went to St. Thomas. When? I was just there. Man, I love St. Thomas.

I went to St. Thomas and didn't really lead a mansion and didn't go nowhere. I was just chilling, just eating food. I did that a couple times in Vegas. I do that a lot, actually. I don't need to leave because I didn't come out to go club and I just came to chill and just relax. Like I was watching, what's that shit called again? What's that shit? When they be Ozark?

I watch like crazy hours of Ozark falling asleep on the couch. And then I got one of them couches for my house. I'm saying, I'm like, that's a good sleep right there. That's a fact. So when I'm just doing nothing, I'm saying, we do so much and pouring my soul into everything so much. Sometimes I just like to do nothing. Yeah. I mean.

So at one point, you know, I'm sure when you started out rapping and back in Buffalo and, you know, now you're like at the beach. ET Hip Hop Awards nominated for lyricists of the year. That journey are you happy with or should I say did you think that it would be what it was or what it is?

Did it meet your expectations? Like now that you, I'm sure you used to watch the BT Hip Hop Awards, now you're nominated for lyricists of the year. Like, speak to the kid that's in the situation you were back in Buffalo looking at the awards like, damn. Like, that journey. Is it everything you thought it would be?

Yeah, the journey was, and the journey is the best part. I'm not going to lie, the journey is the best part. Man, I said this on camera before, man, I've been grinding so long in Buffalo. Y'all know that shit's like for a moment of time. I couldn't even watch the BETY Hip Hop Awards. I didn't want to see that shit. I felt like I needed to be there. And I felt like where was my career going?

Where is my life going? But you hear that shit like with the nerve of me? That's some crazy shit though As I think about it now Look how you're talking now Now you're going to same time To watch Ozark You just had a 30 team up and fuck these niggas

Real shit Yeah Just watching that shit I couldn't I'm like man I ain't watching this shit Because I'm supposed to be there Like the nerve in me But now I'm here

So I was right about something And I would tell the kids Man put your best foot forward See a lot of people don't understand About when you become an artist It's not about who could cater to you You know what I mean And, like, you got to think these labels give you this money.

Like, you ain't there shit for them. Right. You know what I'm saying? For all of us who ain't named Aubrey, a little baby. Right. You know what I'm saying? That Nicky. Right, right.

There's a lot of us who name ain't that. So a lot of times when they give you the bread, like Depp Jam gave me the bread. Like, they're not sure I'm going to recoup that money. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They do business with people a lot of times who they were short. Like, ain't fucking Justin Bieber cited the Dev Jam. At one point, yeah.

At one point. Universal. So it's like, man, it's just like, you got to give you all to this. Like, people don't know you got to give you all to this. And it's not a lot of times there's artists sometimes we think like, man, what could these people do for me? When you start from the bottom, it's like, no, what could you do for these people? How could you become an asset?

Right. And that's what I just try to do. I just try to become an asset in a room. I try to never, never, never need West Side Gun. Man, I never ask West Side Gun for nothing. I always bring that up because not saying that I'm not saying that I'm not. I never needed to. Right.

I just knew a whole bunch of other motherfuckers was acting for shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I'm not adding to that. I needed other favors. Right. I needed, I didn't need, I didn't need him to be like, okay, I got this B-T shit going on and I got this studio session going on and I can bring a video session. But I ain't calling that nigga.

That nigga going to need it. He going to need some money. I mean, I ain't calling that. I don't even want to be that. I didn't want to bring that energy towards him. So I never asked him for nothing. I just wanted to become an asset to him. Did that come from?

So, because I don't know if you even remember. this. We were outside the universal building, I think right before West had signed that shady deal. Because you and West, I ran into y'all like in the lobby. And I was like, are you signing with that? She was like, no, I'm not signing nothing with Shady at all. Like, that's all a Westside result of thing. This was way before Rock Nation, anything like that. Is that when you started to like soak up what labels can and cannot do for you and what's really old and what's not as far as that went? Because you was just with West like, like, right. As if you, you were. As his man's going up to the meeting.

Right, right, right. Man, I did. And, man, I wanted to be signed to Shady Records so fucking bad. Like I said, imagine not being a BET award, not watching that shit. And then my cousin getting signed, both of my cousins. And they're telling me like, yo, we got this deal. We got, we about to do this. We about to do that.

And it's like, man, I'm around Shady. I'm around Paul. I'm around Mike. I met him. Where's my contract? Yeah. You know what I didn't need it. Like, what they'd done for me was enough.

Shout out Mike, including me on that, what was she ain't gonna do too? I'm saying, people don't know, that started as, I'm telling the business here, that started as Spurs album, Benny and Conway. To be honest with you, that started as that. And then after Mike put that idea together, it was like, okay, let me run it past Wes.

West is like, shit, I'm getting on it, too. What we're doing, all three of us, let's go. We're like, okay, let's go. And he curated that, and that's how I came out. but M&M didn't have a problem with me coming and rapping on that shit with BT and that Cypher. Yeah. That was the biggest moment in my career.

I remember getting, I remember getting like 4,000 followers that night. Like, you know, that's heavy. Yeah. And that's when I was in the teams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched it. They never showed it on the episode, but they showed it on BT. I mean, they showed it on the internet.

Yeah. And I remember like watching that. I was living in the projects watching that shit the whole time. Like when we're coming on, but throughout the whole, I'm getting followers throughout the whole episode. You know what I'm saying? So I'm forever thankful. And I just realized that I didn't need to sign to them. And that's what these artists don't know.

And that's what Jay is trying to tell us a lot. Like, you don't need to do that. You might think like, yo, I got to sign this contract. I got to, you know what I'm saying? You don't need to do that all the time. You got to have your own reasons. It's like you might want the money from them. But it's certain rooms you might want to be in.

You can get in them rooms yourself. I'm saying? Sometimes. And I want to make sure, Shady, I know you're watching and hate Moore and I, anytime we sit with someone from Grisota. I actually was, I think that's a. dope that they gave you all those looks and you weren't even signed to them. So shout out. I know

Mike and Paul hate my guts. Mike is my guy. Yeah, you know, I love Mike and sometimes you know what. Mike ran down my number through Derek through everyone in Griselda then text me and then never text me again. He's trying to shake you up a little bit through the text. And say, yo, when you talk, I was like, I'm free in 30 minutes. Never heard from again. Yeah. Damn, you, you, Mike, that kind of guy, man.

Mike also thinks I'm not creative. Well, that's, that was, that was him throwing a shot. at you. For what? I don't know, Mike. That was him throwing his shot. Just randomly tweeting about me. I'm like, but I think. But I think Griselda do get a bad, like, or they'd be like, damn, was it bad blood from Griselda, shady? Man, we're thankful

for them dudes. You got to think, man, we came in a game with M and them. Yeah. I came in a game with M through Zelda. Scienteter Rock Nation with Hove. Got brought to Dev Jam by Snoop. Right. You know what I mean? That's the making. Heavy co-signs. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like real shit.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think. I think anytime because we do respect Shady and that entire building that they think we're saying foul things about them, we ask like, all right, what happened with the Shady deal? We talk with Conway as Soulhouse. It's like, oh, I didn't feel Shady's presence on this one. And they take everything too personal. And I've always just found that weird because I think out of their whole roster, I don't think there's been a media platform that's put Griselda, West Side Boogie, like, number one as far as the music we talk about and play. So I want to end our shady beef with Benny here today.

Or what they thought was the shady beef. Yeah. Man, we love shady. I saw Paul at the West Side Buggy Show last week, and he was blocking the bathroom door at the green room. I wasn't sure if it was static or not. You know, Paul talked big. He's a big dude. I couldn't move.

He's a linebacker. Right, right. I want to get into some soprano questions. Favorite character from the soprano series? man, got to be Tony. Okay. Got to be Tony. Like, Tony's a fucking maniac.

He's crazy. He's a, he's a narcissist. You know what I'm saying? I just like watching that character unfold. You know what I'm saying? The imperfections of them, you know what I mean? A lot of times they try to give us these perfect characters. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that dude is anything but perfect. You know what I'm saying? And I identify it with that. Yeah, and I feel like the Sopranos was the first TV show to give us a character that was a piece of shit, but like we were rooting for them the whole time. Like, we liked them. We identified with them. It wasn't like, let's find the... You know how many times? We like, Tony, too far.

You went too far. Stop fucking these Russian strippers, Tony. It's like you have kids. So, so Benny the butcher can you cook, and I ain't talking about what I think you're talking about, nigga. I'm talking about, can Benny the butcher cook? You're vegan, though. Yeah, you still gotta cook. Well,

butchers cut meat, pause. Like, well, cut some... Mushrooms is vegan. meat. Yeah, exactly. Mushrooms. Thank you. But no, I can't. Okay. I can't. I can't cook shit. I could make waffles, pancakes, french toast. Yeah. Breakfast food. I kill that shit. We always go to that. Why? I always go to breakfast. That niggas want an egg sandwich right now?

I'll fry that shit up. I thinks want some french toasts. I thinks want some pancakes. I'm the niggins. I feel like that's the first thing we learn how to make is breakfast. The first thing we know how to do is scramble eggs, make some bacon. And then when we really, really know how to cook is make a good pancake. Don't burn the pancake. Not real shit. I only see all the bubbles.

When you see the bubbles. You see the bubbles? I see the bubbles. But I can't cook for shit, man. I know what. Man, I could count on my, I'm 37 years old and I can count on my hand how many times I attempted to fry chicken. And I would still have fingers left, maybe three times in my life.

Okay. So we just, we just created a new TV show for Benny. Man, let me show. Well, shit, I would even like to go. You know, that's the one thing I'm going to do. You ever been to them restaurant, I mean, the supermarkets with the deal with the dish already made. You just got to heat it up a little bit.

Like, I'm going to fuck people up one day. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Exactly. Or I'm, or I want to learn how to master one dish and cook that shit all the time. We should do a food because Buffalo is a great food city. Like outside of the audience with wings and shit.

But Buffalo is like a really good food city. We should do some type of segment. Yeah. What's outside of food? What is you're not to cook? You're not a cook? I definitely cook. Yeah, that's my little therapy shit is cooking me.

I ain't going to have a whole house over yet and just cook for a baby. I ain't, yeah. but I could cook something. Okay, okay. I can't do shit, man. I can't do nothing. And the city of Buffalo, how does it feel now, aside from probably Rick James,

being like some of the most famous, most infamous artists out of the city? Man, it's dope. It's lovely. And did you ever meet Rick James? I never met Rick James. I never met Rick. I never got the chance to meet him. But this is what it's like from being

for being a kid from the east side of Buffalo and then you make it, but you're in the same city, but it's not like the same city. That's when I realize it's not even black and white. It's rich and poor. I'm allowed from having his money and having his influence. I'm allowed in so many other rooms. And it's like, I don't like, I'll be in Buffalo a lot.

Like, but I don't be where I used to be. Like, it's a whole different Buffalo. Right. Like, I got new friends. I do different shit. So it's like, I love it. I love the diversity that I, that, that, uh, the newfound fame bring me, my family and, and, and other parts of the city too, because I'm still coming with them.

Right. I'm still pulling up with the east side with me. Right. So it's like that that's dope that we get to, you know what I'm saying, see everything the city got to offer. I mean? It seems like so much since, since like y'all took off and, and really seen success, it seemed like just Buffalo.

Like the bills are even playing great. That's crazy. Y'all might need stock in the team. They might need to get y'all some stock in the Buffalo. Buffalo bells. Man, they might, man. I think, man. Because y'all made it cool to be in Buffalo now.

Atlanta did it. St. Louis did it. A lot of cities did it. Yeah. And I think Buffalo, the sports team is hot. The music is hot. That's why we showed them support, man. Yeah.

Because it's like, man, we in this shit together. Yeah, exactly. You have to. You got to support each other. I was at the fucking, what's the shit? I was just at the Giants. Who the fuck there? Giants Cowboys?

Giants Cowboys gang. That was crazy. Yeah. I'm saying? I was in the suite. Yeah. We're all the rich motherfuckers. I was in the suite.

The motherfucker was with Ray Lewis. Man, I forgot his name, man. I apologize for getting your name. But this dude owns a bank. You bank, the letter you. Yeah. Like, he owned a bank. Yeah.

I'm saying? He was telling me how he had 9,400 acres. Right. And it's like, crazy shit. You know what? It's like, what? 400. I saw you tweet that Ray Lewis almost broke your hand.

He did. Yo, Ray Lewis shook my hand. Seriously. He shook my hand and it, and it hurt it. Yeah, but you get it. No, I walked away two minutes later. I'm just chilling and I'm really and I realized two minutes. I'm like, my shit still worked.

I'm like, what the fuck he did? I'm just still numb. He's still. No, I shook his hand. I met him and then I went back to take a picture. So you see the picture he got his arm around me. Yeah. It's like a, he's like a sofa.

Yeah. It's like God damn, Ray. Yeah. Like real shit. Yeah. It's archived on my IG, but we was with Mike Tyson and we would say, you know, take a bunch of group photos or whatever. And then Mike was like, oh, let's,

take a solo pick and it's Mike Tyson is my favorite fighter ever of course he did like the the DAP photo yeah you could see the fear in my fucking eyes my whole hand was fucked up for the rest of the day yo dog so we went we did the Mike Tyson

podcast a while ago and you know we the whole time to ride over there you know it's like this is Mike man so it's like we kind of like because it's excited but this is also like but what Mike we're getting because you just hear stories about Mike you don't know what Mike we're getting right With Mike Tyson you're getting.

Mike come in. We had at the office, he come in. And I wasn't expecting him to be so soft-spoken and friendly. But then, like, you know, after we did the episode, we smoke and we're talking. And Mike, he's like one of them niggas that like to play with his hand. I'm like, Mike, we're not going to do that. I'll do that with every other nigga in this room. We're not doing that.

We're not playing with the hands with you. No, he was shadow boxing in the kitchen. And it was like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was just like, oh, no, you still know how to. You know, them athletes are machines, man. They're machines, even after their pro days, man. They still conditions. From all of them years of conditioning, they're still in shape, man.

Yeah. Mike might have been the only time I've ever been star-struck in my entire life. Yeah, that was big. Me and Mike Tyson was definitely like, and then, you know, he fucked us up when he told us that he was, you know, it put things in perspective for me. To always say that that interview and that conversation with Mike Tyson changed a lot for me when he told us before every fight, he was scared to death. And I looked at him like, what? He said, you know, I used to be in the locker room, scared to death. Like, every fight. I'm like, Mike, we used to be at the house knowing you about to knock this

nigga the fuck out. What are you talking about? Like, you stop, man. Don't order the fight. He's going to be down. He's going to be out in two minutes. We paid $100 for this shit. He's like, yo, I was scared to death every single fight.

And to me, that puts so many things in perspective of like, okay, if we think who the bad as toughest dude on the planet is, if he's telling me that he was scared, then that's a natural thing like okay we can all be scared. We can all be scared. Real shit. If Mike was shook, he punished a lot of them dudes. And he was scared.

I still go back and watch that shit on YouTube. He's punishing them dudes. Of course. What, how much money would it take to be Mike's sparring partner training for a fight? Me? Yeah. No, I'm cool.

I like my. Your shit might not re-wire rights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like my health. I'm not about jumping. Yeah, I'm not jumping in the race. Yeah, I'm not jumping in the wrong. with Mike. I've done some shit to chase my dreams before, but I could never imagine if boxing

was like my main dream and the way to get there would to be Mike sparring bar like, all right, you got to do this bullshit job to get to the next level. Yeah, yeah. Let me spar with Mike every day. Bruce ribs is a bitch. Right. You can't, it's a lot of shit you can't do with bruise ribs. You can't breathe, can't sit up. Exactly. You don't want bruise ribs. Yeah, no. My cousin used to box professionally and I still spar with him and he broke my ribs last year by accident because he didn't realize like I'm not a professional boxer. I don't know why he didn't realize that. He like, don't know. Swing on me like that. He broke my ribs. Every movement, every breath you take, I didn't realize your ribs legitimately is like the source of your body. Exactly. But I couldn't

even breathe correctly for six weeks. What's the craziest thing that you woke up and read about yourself on the internet that was absolutely not true? And he was like, all right, I might be more famous than I thought today. They, them saying I got seven million dollars. Okay. I don't have seven million dollars. You know, that's crazy. Yeah. I'm like, damn, I'm like, what the fuck did I wear yesterday? You know what I mean?

Like, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? The net, the Google net worth shit. People let's let me know. People don't know the value of money. They don't know because, you know, people's believe in that shit. Oh, yeah. Oh, no.

My mom Googled my name and legitimately called me not even on some funny shit. It said I was worth $4 million. And my mom was mad at me. So you've been just holding money or something. I was like, I swear on everything I love. I would have my mom coming on our podcast and explain that shit. She called me up. She was like, you have four million fucking dollars and you just haven't told me.

Yeah. All real shit. Yeah, my mom called me, uh, it was a thing at one point that I was dating cash doll. Oh, word. Well, that was a, that was a thing, though. She was like, bro, would you bring her down? Say hi. No, no, that's how she called me.

She was like, oh, so you were cash doll together? I said, who? I'm like, knowing your mother. I've never even met her. It's funny your mom would know who cashdoll was. That's what I was fucked up about. I'm like, what are you talking? I'm like, my, get off the internet.

Like you just Googling some shit and now you're reading everything and now you're coming to meet with it. I have a weird question. I feel like we should have asked more guests and rappers. How do rappers view the podcast world? Don't say that again? How do rappers view the podcast world? Like this boom of a whole new thing. We on your heels.

We try to start these shit. Y'all see us? Man, we love it because it's like different. It's taken over. I don't know. What is it about these conversations that intrigue people so much? I think it's because I think what we do, we always try to make sure we have some type of personal connection. Okay, exactly.

Because the shit I'm saying right here, I'm not talking about it. I already know. But this is, you know, this is obviously different. But I think that's what the beauty and podcast. Well, for us, our angle is always, you know, we don't like to get people on a press run because you kind of programmed. You're on a press run. You're answering things a certain way. You don't want to answer certain things.

So we try to keep it to where it just feels like more of a conversation. Like I don't even like holding this mic because I feel like I can't We're just like, oh, I got a mic in my hand This means this is going out to somewhere Like I like to just sit and talk to people that I already kind of like Have some type of relation with. They know that, you know, I can ask whatever. It says, vice versa, you can ask me whatever you want to ask.

I don't want to, you know, hop on bullshit and talk about bullshit that people probably ask you every day. Right, right, right. And just have, you know, just a different level of conversation. Like a more, you know, not just, I don't want to talk to Benny the butcher. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. I get it.

And I can feel that. Yeah. You know, like, we talk about shit, you know, and it's a certain shit I would never talk about on mic with you, but I just feel like you and I or, you know, us, we can have a different conversation. I think that's a podcast. It makes it just more intimate. It makes it a more intimate conversation.

Yeah, it's different. Yeah, it's different. It's like talking to the homies. Yeah. That press run shit, like with radio, I feel like the PR person sets that up and you got a full day of different radio studio to different radio studio. Same questions. They may not even really know.

who they're talking to that day. Let me pull up Wikipedia and ask them bullshit questions with the long farm content. You actually, of course, you can ask the salacious shit, but that can't fill up an hour and a half. You got to actually have some human moments with people. That's a good idea to catch people outside on press runs because you write. That press run. You got a program. Three spots.

Three interviews. You don't talk to seven people, did four phone interviews. Like, you don't want to sit down on the couch. You want to go to sleep at that point. And you feel like you're selling something. Yeah. Like I'm here to promote down. Yeah.

We just hear kicking it. We're not promoting. Nothing. I don't know what I mean. We're just talking. And I feel like the average fan that like, you know, obsesses over their favorite artist only gets them in the press run. So they only get the, all right, who produced this, who's featured on the album type of stuff.

They don't know their favorite artists when it's not album time. So when it's in between press runs, that's when you actually get to know who you're definitely there to talk about the album. Right. Right. So, yeah, I just think it's a better form to do shit. But, you know. Speaking of which, where's the album?

I'm cooking, man. I've been in the lab with Hit Boy. Man, I got, I know they see me with some Zaytovin beats. Been in the studio with ATO. Jacob. Okay. Boy Pirates. Love ATL Jacob. I've been in the studio with Mike Will made it.

I'm about to jump in there with Derringer, about to jump in there with Al. But I got a lot of hit boy. I'm going to jump back in there with Hit Boy. Mike let Hit Boy do the whole album again. Not sure. Still in the early stages, but I got some records. Okay. Who haven't you worked with that you want to, producer-wise?

who haven't you worked with that you want to me yay I gotta get in there with yay and dray I gotta get in that room Conway was in yeah you know I mean I gotta tell him like bro don't you never not bring me with you ever nigga yeah yeah you're wilding

leave the hotel in Wyoming I gotta get I gotta get them niggas numbers out of his phone man that's where I want to go so what's the plans with uh oh first of all good to see El Camino yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I always liked him what's the plan with Rick Hyde El Camino he

Love Rick, the whole Black Soprano. It just continued to push the envelope more. I'm trying to get Rick Hyde into producing more of the artist's albums. He ain't about to drop an album. Fuego Bass. We finished with his album. I like Fuego Bays. Fuego going crazy.

Watch. I like Fuego going crazy. Watch. I like him. Mark my words. I like Fuego's out of here, you know what I'm saying. Trying to get Rick Hyde to produce more. You know what I'm saying? Trying to, heen, a lot of people have been taking a hymn.

A lot of people feel like Hing stood out on the tape. Yeah, yeah. So his album about to drop next. He's ready to go. We was just in the studio where SP, me, SP and he did some shit for his album. What else? Love Boat.

We just, we're still working on, like, finalizing his situation at Varek Street. But he's ready to go. Mackie. Christina Mackey, man. She's crazy talented. We got Young World. Trying to get the artists into doing, like,

other things instead of just, you know, being in the studio doing the music. work with each other, work with different artists. You know what I'm saying? All right. Y'all think Tony died at the end or no? I think so. I think so.

I think so always the answer to that. Yeah, I think so. I don't think he did, man. You know, they be trying to always leave room to do more shit, but he end up passing away with James Goat. He ended up passing away, but I think they were trying to leave room. I don't think so, man. It would have been fucked up.

They smoked Tony in front of his wife and kids eating onion rings. You got to show us. Tony the big guy. That's a fucked up time to die. The big dog, you got to show us Tony getting smoked. Yeah. Like, you can't, you know what I mean? If it, if it ain't happened, it ain't happened.

I mean, I've seen all the internet conspiracy theories with, like, how they shot it with the point of view and Tony looked this way and the killer looked this way. And then it was saying, like, his daughter was looking up at the dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, members, he was wearing a member's only jacket and that was the first episode. I was like, oh, y'all, this is some 9-11 conspiracy shit at this point. But that's how it happens. And they said, they said, the one dude walked in a restaurant, but didn't walk.

back out. That was him walking. That was the gun in the fucking bathroom or whatever. I don't know. That whole soprano shit, I just feel like that changed TV completely. I did. Like a lot of these shows, even the black shows, man, like the, it's like it brought it to TV. I'm saying?

It's like the wire type of shit. The wire and the sopranos. I mean, it's like the father of, like the TV we see today, if you ask me. For sure. How do you feel about snowfall? Man, I love snowfall, man. Snowfall or the wire? I don't even like that you have to think.

I got to go wire because the OG, but I'm loving snowfall. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, man, I think I'm Franklin St. With the Lamb's Dane. Like, what I mean? It's like, and I met him.

I met him at Diddy House. Cool dude. You know what I'm saying? Cool dude. Yeah. Cool dude. Did you see Many Saints in Nort? The Sopranos.

Did I? Did I? Did I. I love that movie. Did you love that movie? A lot of people didn't like it. They didn't? I liked it.

I liked it. I liked it because they was expecting a different type. Right, right, right. I was one of those people. I went in there with expectations. Maybe I should. I think Sopranos, I think the writers, directors, everything deserve expectations because they're so genius. I went in with expectations.

Okay. And I didn't dislike it, but I was a little underwhelming. It wasn't enough. I don't really think anything happened at all, like in the movie. I see. Like, what happened to the movie? I think, I think we got to know, we got to know, like, we got to know uncle and his younger days.

Yeah. We got to see his treachery. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We got to know a little bit about Tony's father. Listen, I'm saying. I got an issue just being Eskimo brothers with my friends, let alone my father. Y'all don't think it was sick that he was fucking his stepmom?

Of course he was sick. He killed his pop so he could beat. I ain't going to say that's why he killed him. Yes, it was. So he could beat? No. I'm not. I'm not going to give you that.

I see why I understand it, but no. It was other shit. It was other things. It was definitely other things. I think that would have been a good intro to what a series could have been. Like, that should have been the movie to go into what that should have been a series. Yeah. No, right.

Like, I'm definitely expecting another part. Yeah. I would hope so. You got to be two or three. Like, we got to see Tony. Yeah. We got to see Tony do some criminal shit. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He was pussy the whole movie. Yeah. I'm saying. I love to how baby Chris was crying. Yeah.

I'm saying every round Tony, like I, I mean, that was one of my favorite parts. Anything that tied into the series. And I liked how they had, I forgot the gentleman's name that, that plays Chris from the Spranos. Shit, he was in, Dead Presidents. He was in that shit.

I like that he introed the whole shit of like, yo, it was the guy that killed me. Yeah, that was dope. I thought that was, and I liked seeing, I like seeing, like, them making the characters younger. And I'm saying, and the younger character.

there's like trying to get like from the series trying to uh mock everything those guys was doing and trying to get the looks down i'm saying like uncle junior i think that i think that was dope yeah i thought i thought the jrude had been bald for a long time yeah yeah and emotional for a long time for a long time he never switched his glasses up yeah yeah yeah uh but no i just always wanted to know what you thought of many saints in north man i love it man fans send me like the the soprano's jacket the soprano's jersey fans send me all of that shit how much much of calling the label black soprano family do you want to kind of brand it with the actual soprano show a lot a lot actually because i'm a fan of the show uh i'm inspired by you know the

i'm inspired by the lecocia nostra culture culture culture family and uh hierarchy you know what i'm saying and you know that that that don't that don't even stand it just in a criminal world you know what I'm saying. We run into business. They ran them like Fortune 500 companies. So I'm inspired off of things like that. Yeah. And I mean, I just, you know what I mean? I do want to, I do want to indulge like and I want to do like mob movies. I like that. That's why I love the movie because anytime they give me anything like a mob movie, I love it. Like, what's the one shit? The Russell, it was Russell Bufelino, not too long ago. Oh, Irishman. The Irishman. I love that movie too. And that movie got a lot of flack.

So any, I don't, I love the Irishman. I don't think we never going to get another goodfellas. We're never going to get another goodfellers. But we should not. But we shouldn't. Another casino. We're not going to be like those, let those, you know mean? Because if you try to, it's going to like, all right, see, now y'all y'all you're playing games. Like, don't do that. Leave that where it's at. But what was funny about the Irishman is like, it was like the deluxe album of Goodfellas. Goodfellas, when you look back at all the mob movies, has the least amount of action.

It's a very, they're just dialogue the entire time. Of course, you got the scene. The scene when they beat up Billy Bass and all that shit. But it's a fucking, quote-unquote, boring movie when it comes to action in my movies. The Irishman was just three hours of dialogue, whereas Goodfellas was two hours. You could take it. I think that's why people hated that. The Irishman is a classic. I like that shit.

I love that movie. I love it, I love it. And even shit, Buffalo's history with that whole shit. And, you know, I'm an Irish song, really fuck with Italians like that. Russell Buffalino, like, that's Erie P.A. It was right next to Buffalo. I'm saying? even though the name, it has nothing to do with it, ironically.

But, yeah, around that time, like Stefano Magadino, he was the Buffalo crime boss. You know what I'm saying? Joe Bonano's cousin. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I feel like the whole commission case and all that shit. Wasn't that by Buffalo where they called him upstate and shit? It was upstate in the Appalachian Mountains.

Yeah. But Stefano Magadino, the Buffalo crime boss, he was there. He's the longest running crime boss ever. He was the boss for 50 years. He was the only person who ever to do that like that, you know what I'm saying? I feel like Buffalo as a city is still like that blue collar union type city that doesn't really happen within the tri-state anymore at all. Do you think that that actually has anything to do with how y'all built your fan base of just like regular ass people? Not even organized crime shit.

I feel like Buffalo is still one of the few blue-collar cities. People are born and raised there, stay there. It's not a transplant city. I think that has anything to do with the fan base that y'all started with. Because the Griselda fan base feels like the homegrown blue collar, like we was raised here type thing. That's why I feel like a lot of New York City acts aren't really making it because New York City has become such a transplant city.

It's not New Yorkers the way it used to be. Whereas Buffalo, to me, outside looking in, still feels like that type of thing. I believe so. I think us being from damn near the middle of nowhere, it like wanted people to root for us. Like, oh man, where they from? And also, it made it less territorial.

Yeah. Like, we were now from a borough. Like, you know, sometimes, you know, that kind of hindered us too. If we talk at East Coast music, if you ask me, I'm, I'm Benny the Butcher and Rousel, I feel like, you know what I mean? If Benny the butcher was from Brooklyn, you know what I'm saying? But now it's like this, though, we don't deal with none of the politics of the boroughs. These dudes don't fuck with these dudes.

These don't, what I'm saying? We don't deal with none of that shit. We don't deal with none of the politics. it takes because we're from the middle of nowhere. I'm saying we don't got nothing to do with that shit. People just enjoy our music in a certain way. So I feel like, man, being from Buffalo definitely helped us. Nothing never came from out that motherfucker.

I think everything has shifted, whereas if you weren't from New York, Atlanta, L.A., artists used to be like, I'm not in the main markets, I can't make it. I think if you're not from the main markets now, like shit, Jack Harlow. I think he's become that whole state's champion. Like, everyone wants to get behind him because he's not. Exactly. From a major, like, oh, we got one finally. Whereas New York is like, we have 10,000 rappers in Brooklyn.

Why am I get behind you? Because you're from Brooklyn? It doesn't work that way. That's a fact. And I think that's a tactic that people use. And they want to go get like the middle of nowhere kids, the middle of nowhere people. Because it's like, talk about your area. We heard about all of these cities before.

Tell us about this place. We never heard. We never even been to this motherfucker. We didn't even know this shit exists. Rap about it for us. I think people went to that. What happened to the record? had with a with naz on the hit boy produced out and never i think hit was telling me that it

kind of didn't fit the burden of proof and it was for burden of proof and it didn't fit but we was listening to it fit this new motherfucker it fit this one yeah and i mean i was listening i think it fit and it's crazy you said that but i'm thinking like i'm gonna revisit that i want to see if i could use that for this album okay yeah oh shit i haven't heard that one yeah oh it's a great one i need to hear the knoss one man it's a good one man i'm trying to tell you All right. Well, listen, man, I don't want to, you know, sit here and talk much longer, but I am glad that, you know, we was able to see you and kick it with you, man. I haven't seen you in a while, but I'm proud of you.

I'm happy for you. I'm always rooting for you. And, you know, I'm rocking with you for having his family, man. And I appreciate you fellas. Whenever I bump it to y'all is a good thing because nine times out of ten, we always work in or we're on our way somewhere. We're at an event. So it's always good to see y'all. That reminds me, though, that I'm working when I see y'all.

We're working, man. We're working, but I'm proud of you. And it's good to see you, B. Man, love. Appreciate your voice. All right. This has been another episode of New Rory and all with my guy, my brother, Benny the Butcher. Shout out to Rockstar Energy.

Yes. And shout out to Rory and the sunlight hitting his face for 10 minutes. I know. It's a lot. I need sunscreen at this point. Shout out to Culture Lab. Al Brans. Everybody.

Thank you. Yes, sir. This is nice in here. I'm going to throw me some shit in here, man. Oh, no. That's this spot. Now that I know we got a clubhouse down here. Yeah.

For sure. I'll definitely be back down here doing some shit. I shouldn't be doing an ass. Al's office. All right, y'all, peace. No. Will Farrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne.

Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. This is a podcast.

We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they hit a bogo. Well, then you got it. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How much you wait, Wanda? Right now, about 130.

I'm at 183. We should race. No, I want to leave here with my original hips. On the podcast, the matchup with Lillia, I pair prominent female athletes with unexpected guests. On a recent episode, I sat down with undisputed boxing champ, Clarissa Shields, and comedian Wanda Wanda Sykes to talk about Wanda's new movie Undercard, the art of trash talk, and what it really means to be ladylike. Open your free IHeart Radio app. Search the matchup with Alia and listen now.

Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports Network. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.