New Rory & MAL - Episode 114 | TikTok is Ruining Music ft. Joyce Wrice

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

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Hey, you United King Domenians. You blokes and blokeettes. This is Rory. And mall. And we are coming to London's Earth Theater, November 5th. Yes. First time across the pond for me. I'm excited.

Yes, I'm excited to, not first time across the pond. First time going across the pond and people were actually waiting to see me. Yes. First time with a work visa. Yes. We will be at the Earth Theater, November 5th in London. Looking forward to it. Hope to see you all soon.

Get your tickets now. If not, it's going to be a fucking piss fest when we get there. We're going nuts. Nick, I've been busy like a chef for Thanksgiving. Thanks to gritty. Still grinding like it's a $5 a big tape hustle. I've been on fire recently. Tell Lake the Hall of me when a deal is close.

Can't lie. It's been a rocky road. Nigga, I've been busy like the chef on windy heels at the pop of doors. Still grinding like it's pots and nose. A Mothi Coast Tell solo hit my line When the deal is closed B&M mindset

Oh yes Welcome to a new episode Of the new Rory Amal podcast I am all I'm all as well And we are back to the smooth tunes Of Gizi the Snowman Nothing about that with smooth

Featuring DJ drama Snowfall How you feeling Rory? I feel good And I feel good That drama made Gizi Go find the yams That he hid in his auntie's house

Listen man We can get right to that I don't know what drama said What type of pep talk he gave easy, but it was needed. Listen, man, I purposely did not want to talk about this

album early in the week. I wanted to kind of live with it for a few days. Just to make sure I wasn't tripping. Yeah. Went back in the kitchen, see if you still got it. Oh, man. Listen, the Pyrex, dirty pyrex is everywhere right now. No one ever talks about in rap verses how boring bagging up

is. Or how time consuming it is. Your fingers start to hurt. Oh, man. Jesus Christ. Do you think there's any of like the kingpins that are still alive, like have arthritis in their fingers. Probably. If they're still alive, arthritis is the last concern, that's the last concern.

Like, now that there's this whole YouTube community of just talking about crimes, I just want to know if any of like these mobsters or gangsters would be like, yeah, we're on our way to do a hit, but I had a high blood pressure, so we had to stop by. I had to take my medicine. Got to take my high blood pressure. Never get into the effects outside of jail with that lifestyle.

So, yeah, man, the drama. GZ tape came out, snowfall. if you haven't heard it, I don't know what you're listening to. But this is easily for me one of my favorite albums of the year. Yeah, definitely condone it for a rap album of the year. I was pleasantly surprised. I was surprised. We love Gizi, but we see where GZ is in life.

Yeah, and I was scared. I was like, ah, GZ is so far removed. Yeah. He's going to sound old out of shape. Like, he doesn't still got it. I was completely wrong. I was completely wrong about this. I love the approach.

He's still talking street shit. Just from a more businessman, older guy, more mature. When your wife is on the view, it's more, it's a little different. I love how you said, I'm still into bricks. It's just real estate now. Love that. That sums up the entire tape, the entire album. It's just the features were great, 42 Doug.

Imagine GZ being your landlord. I would love that. I know you. I would love, if GZ was my landlord, we would have the greatest relationship. I'm like, come on, man. I'm a little late, but you know what it is. It is. The first is coming.

You could talk to July. I know I'm late, but come on, man. The first is coming. You don't want to get busy out there. Don't worry about it. I got your money. Two chains is into real estate. There's a lot of rappers, I feel like, from Atlanta were the first on that wave.

You should. You should be in the real estate. If you have the money to do it and buy some land and live in Atlanta. And live in Atlanta. You should absolutely be into real estate. But this tape, top the bottom, flawless. The production is amazing. Drama's talking big shit on this.

The features, ESTG, 4-2 Doug. Yeah. I'm just, I'm really surprised that this, this tape, this album is as good as it is. I'm going to be honest. I would have love to see Gibbs on here since they recently said that they don't have issues with each other. I don't know if that means that they're like friends. Or working together. But that would have been cool to hear Gibbs and Gizi back together.

What did you think about the line have more records with Hove than Biggie Smalls? Well, one, let's start with the, it is a fact, number one. Unfortunately, Biggie's life was cut short. So, you know, his artistry was cut short. But, I mean, I think that was more so just Gizi's way of saying, like, Hove looks at me as one of those guys that he respects. No, I thought the bar was cool. And then my immature brain just started thinking about all the other rappers that could also get that line off and it didn't hit the same.

Like, a mill could wrap that right now. Yeah. That will not hit the same. But I understand what Gizi was doing. That's why. And, yeah, this tape is a... You could wrap that line. I could actually, yes, I could wrap that line.

that line. And I think that this tape solidifies my, you know, campaign for what I've been saying all along. Snowfall is better than the wire. It's not called the wire. It's called Snowfall. I mean, he called it Snowfall. Gizi was a snowman. Yeah, but he called it Snowfall. He didn't have to name his album Snowfall. People were saying he was falling off, but he wasn't. It's just the snowfall. I see. I see what you're doing. It had nothing to do with the show. I get it. I love the art work. It's never snowed in California. The artwork is amazing. Well, in LA at least. Yeah. So yeah, drama, Jizi. Great job. Snowfall for me. definitely contender for rap album

of the year. The artwork is crazy. Yeah. Are my legs offensive to the YouTube viewers, you think? Well, we're talking about snowfall, so it's fitting me. Yes, my legs are covered in snow.

It looks like you're up to your knees and snow, right? I'll go back to pants. I just, you know, we were about to record. I was like, fuck, all right. I guess I'm in shorts today. No, that's all good. I apologize for any glare or white balance you need to adjust.

Yeah, I know. Can we turn some of these lights off? They're off. They're off. We're recording this at night. Yeah, this is just. The lights off. It's your legs that's doing this right now to the cameras.

Yes, very, very pasty. And we're getting to the pastier time of the year. Let's keep it on music. So we got a tweet last night from the OVO champagne poppy himself. Is that where you refer to him, that's? Huh? That's what you refer to him as? Well, no, I mean, that's his, uh, his Instagram.

I prefer Drake's Instagram handle. Champagne Poppy? No, I just say Drake's Instagram. Oh, you don't say champagne poppy? I say Drake Instagram handle. Okay, Drake's Instagram handle. So he posted a message letting us know that

the anticipated album Her Loss with him in 21 Savage will not be dropping today or tonight depending on when you're listening to this. And we were kind of joked about it in the group text a little bit. He says that

OVO40 has come down with COVID so he wasn't able to work and mix the records. So they had to kind of push it back. to November 4th. I mean, I understand 40 would be at at high risk with the

multiple sclerosis. I can't pronounce things. Yeah, multiple sclerosis. So I understand COVID is very serious when it comes to him. But if that's not the case, getting off a COVID excuse in October of 2022 is some balls.

Take some balls. I mean, you can't argue it, number one, right? You can't prove that 40 doesn't have COVID. Of course not. Exactly. And now you look insensitive when someone that is at high risk has COVID because then you can't make the joke

well did he need to go outside to mix the album? What a perfect thing to do when you have to stay inside. Yeah, but you know, did he lose his taste smell and hearing? Well, you know, they say when you catch COVID you can lose your hearing.

No, they don't. They've never said that. You can lose a quote. Though they said a lot. Just go back and look at it. Me and Fauci was like this for a year. Never said anything about Jane. I think they did.

I think I do remember them saying that you lose your taste so maybe his taste in the records probably would change. Oh my God. So, you know, That affects the music. And sometimes when certain drums say you've got to make that face,

like you just smell something crazy, you can't do that. But if you can't smell, then. You can't smell what the rock is cooking. So they had to push it back to November 4th. But jokes aside, I know COVID can bring the type of body aches that someone with MS could really affect them. So I really hope 40 is okay. Prayers to 40. We hope you're feeling better.

And we'll get the tape when we get it, man. I did see people saying that he was shook or Rihanna. That's why. Well, Rihanna's drop. If you listen to this Rihanna dropped a song for the Wakanda Forever soundtrack, which I believe was co-written by Thames. So I'm kind of excited for the two of them. And Siza has a record coming tonight too as well, right?

I saw that. I would have loved to hear some vocals from Thames on this, but it appeared with the report that she just wrote it. But you guys have heard it by the time you're hearing this. So it doesn't really matter. I'm excited for it. I don't think Drake and 21 would push their album because of a Rihanna single, but, you know. Well, Taylor Swift did release.

her album and she's going to be number one for a while because it's Taylor Swift. So if you're aiming for a number one album, I wouldn't release a week after Taylor Swift. I mean, I guess. You don't think Drake would have had a number one album? No. Next to Taylor Swift. Taylor's second or third week numbers, wherever they're at now, would definitely surpass Drake and 21 surprise album.

Okay. I'm not mad at that. I really think so. I'm not mad at that. Baby Dee, how you feeling? I know. The fans missed your voice. The streets are saying you was gone.

Yeah, they thought you left us. You're fire me. We would never fire. Let me tell you something. I love Baby Dee. I would never fire Baby Dee. Baby, even if we stop podcasting,

you can come bag up for me. I always got to. That was disrespectful. How's that disrespectful? If I get you 40 off of each pack, one rhyme can beat that. Mm. It's a really good offer.

I get what you get for a brick to talk greasy. What you're talking about? That's just, that's what podcasting is. You know what I'm saying. Wrap up up in the grease like meekino. You heard Gizi.

Come on, man. Let's get to this money, Baby D. But, no, no. Baby Dee wasn't gone. She just tracked the Indian dance to bring our rain back. You know what I'm saying? They got to stop. We're fired.

Can we take that out? Bleep it. Do something. Why did the Native Americans cancel Kanye sooner? Oh, man. Jesus Christ. No, baby, Dee, we love to hear your voice. The people thought that you left us and went on the greener pastures and.

Greener. Damn, I died. Well, no, not die, but they thought you left us. That's what it's, when you say he went on a greener pasture. No, I was saying in terms of like you found something better to do than to sit and work with it. us. I think there's a lot of things she could find that are better than this.

But it's cool. I see what you tried to do with the Cordillard Yankee hat match with the blues. I see you. I know what's going on. I'm all inspired. So, yeah, I don't know. Her loss November 4th, but we do have Division coming tonight, right? Well, it's out already if you're hearing this.

Division is out now. Working on my karma. Daniel, you're funny for that title. But working on my karma available now. Support the guys. Support the Division. Shout out to B.cock. Shout out to Jermaine Dupree.

And shout out to you. part of the rollout. And I was shocked you weren't at the listening party last night in Atlanta. I thought you know, that I was going to fly Atlanta for the listening to fly back as one. I thought maybe you were going to host. I thought it was a little walkthrough that you would do off the strength of friendship. No, no, no, no, no. But shout out to

Division. I can't wait to I'm just, we're recording this Thursday, so I'm listening to the album now. Is it over for the walkthrough? Is that dead? I think so. I see less of it on club flyers where it's hosted by somebody from love and hip-hop. Yeah, I think the walk- A rapper.

I think the walkthrough is kind of dead only because I feel like people see people enough on social media and things like that. They don't need to go to the club just because that person is hosting anymore. Yeah. So I think the walkthrough game is definitely not what it used to be. It's probably a few offers for people out there. I think promoters looked at the P&L. Yeah.

Like they was paying all this money and no one was like super excited that Jocelyn was doing the weekend at their club. Right. So, yeah, that's not think it makes sense. So the Rihanna's walkthrough. The Rihanna single is a tribute to Chadwick Bowman, Correct, Julian? Yes, it is.

Lift me up. So it sounds like it could be, you know, uplifting, positive. Yeah, just excited to hear from her. Okay. Well, rest and peace to Chad, of course. Rest and peace, Chadwick, Bozeman. And I think he deserves, and rest of peace to Paul Walker, but we know how amazing that record was with Wiz and who's on the hook.

I can't remember. Charlie Pooh. Thank you. So I think Chadwick needs his movie soundtrack tribute as well. Absolutely. And I love that Rihanna's doing it. I'm looking forward to seeing this movie. I think it's going to be, it may be better than the first one.

I feel like they went all out on this one. I'm not going to comment because I said that it wasn't going to outsell any of the other Marvel movies or whatever. Oh, this one's under. And I was completely wrong. So I was going to shut the fuck up about anything Black Panther related. Yeah. I feel like this Black Panther will surpass the first. Oh, wait.

Let me take that back because now it's different, right? Is it going to be streaming? No, I think this is going to be in the box office first and then eventually... Of course, it's in the box office first. You have to put movies in the box office to be considered for any awards. I thought they switched that, though. No, it just has to be in a certain amount of box offices. Yeah.

For a certain amount of time, correct? I guess. Let's look that up. Because I know with the Irishman, it was in theaters for... I mean, that was still kind of sort of COVID pandemic time. But I know it was in theaters first for a couple weeks and then it was available on Netflix and streaming platforms. I don't think it won anything, though. I don't think it did either.

It should have. That's a great movie. I mean, if you think about it, it's really, they're just trying to bring down Irish people, but that's a case for another day. I mean, it's cool. It's fine. It's fine.

I'm just going to shut up. I saw Kanye was back on social media last night. Oh, I don't know why you segued from that. I was just suggesting that maybe Irish people were. No, I get it. I just thought you was set in screen. So I just came off the screen shooting. No, no screen.

I'm cool on everything related. I'm not. dying on that hill. No, no, no, no. Whatever I think is going to worry about it. You know who built the hill. Kanye got dropped by Adidas. God built the hill.

There you go. Balenciaga, since we've recorded. Adidas, Belensiaga. Yeah. Skechers walked him out of the building. They said, listen, man, we're not giving you no free sketches. All right. In his defense, sketches look like Valenciaga. So maybe he thought he was going into his former employer.

And in Kanye's defense, getting kicked out of the sketches building has to kind of be an insult. Pretty funny, though. I'm here to help y'all. Nobody is wearing your shoes. I'm here to help y'all. He got kicked out. And also all the people that buy sketchers are in the middle of the country and have never met a Jewish person in their life. At all.

So since we've recorded, Adidas has cut ties. Fuck y'all, funny to me. Valenciauga has cut ties. Vogue and Anna Wintour have cut ties. He's been dropped by his talent agency, CAA. He's been dropped by his lawyer. His stream sales and airplay have plummeted. Restricted from Instagram and Twitter.

Stadium shows canceled documentary show. Listen, I feel like... Wait, which documentary it showed? The one he's been doing quietly. I think he even had cameras at the...

Oh, I thought the one that came out, genius. I was about to say, how did they show that? We all saw it right. No, he's been shooting the same way when he was like showing I don't know if it was Adidas' employees

like porn and shit. That was from that doc. Okay. It's so funny that Baze has been an angel for the last three weeks and Demaris comes and now she's back on her bullshit. Because Damaris is in there cooking

and she set the fire alarm off so... Now Bays is losing my mind. Just pick her up. She doesn't like that. She doesn't like that. Demaris came in here and caused a fracas. Well, listen, I feel like all of this broke right after we recorded

our last episode. And I feel like everyone has gotten their rants off. And in these day and ages, I think this is old news. So I'm really just going to joke about it and say artists pay attention if you ever want to get out of your record deal. Kanye West finally figured out of doing it.

I wouldn't suggest that route. I wouldn't suggest that route at all. Out of all the ways that these artists have said, I cannot get off my major. What the fuck? It's never going to happen. He's giving you a way to do it. There's a technique.

Yeah, I don't know if you want to take that way, though. It's not the technique. That's the road. Let's travel. Kanye's back on Instagram and his first post. He says, Ari Emanuel, I lost $2 billion in one day and I'm still alive. This is love speech. I still love you.

God still loves you. The money is not who I am. The people is who I am. Love speech was his caption. And then he went on to say, I haven't had sex with a supermodel in almost a month. Please and help. same i've never i have not had sex with a supermodel and over my lifetime so so my mental really no supermodel must be in disarray if you're saying send help because it's been a month it's

been 32 years for me yeah i need a straight jacket um this is his way of coming back uh into instagram and uh everyone that seems to be running with this uh cut ties meme um is this support or is just like some way of just kind of like trying to get involved with the Kanye train it's ridicule it's I think it's just being added on the way everything with social media is how do I get involved with the memes how do I how do I get some retweets 50 posted Curtis Jackson has reportedly cut ties or 50 cent uh Kanye's green shot at this and reposted it on his Instagram yeah well Kanye had said that originally he said Kanye West or yay cuts ties with Kanye West or some shit like yeah and then all everybody started to

Follow suit. Where do you guys think Kanye goes from here with fashion? Not so much the music stuff, but with his company, with his brand in particular, because Adidas owns the name. Adidas owns the designs. Well, he did post something on his Instagram. He looked like from a lawyer saying. Kanye owns the name Yeezy and the trademark. Well, his, all right, he screenshotsed some guy we don't know and put it on Instagram.

So that has to be true, Julian. Yeah. which he's then deleted my bad I don't know I have no prediction of this this Kanye I believe Kanye is

number one smart enough number two I think he has still has enough relationships where he will be able to pivot out of this and eventually continue to create

whether it's music fashion in some sort I don't know when that will be but I do believe that at some point he'll be fine and he will create

and be able to put out his art again. I don't know when that will be, but... When he starts Sunday service again and starts asking for black support, where do you think we've all fall on that? Well, Kanye came out and said slavery was a choice and we still supported him.

Oh, everyone championed that. Yeah. So it's not... I don't think that... I think that Kanye has, you know, he's obviously ruffled some feathers and made some remarks that people took offense to you were in fact at one of the Sunday services

I was at a Sunday service I was at one of the earlier ones and again you know there was a lot of different people different walks of life different religions different ethnicities in that room so I do know that Kanye has support from a lot of people from you know all over the world but obviously his remarks and his interviews over the last couple of weeks have again

you know ruffles some feathers so I don't know I think that time obviously heals. I believe that Kanye behind the scenes still has a lot of people supporting him. So again, I'm sure he'll be able to create what that looks like without having the Adidas, you know, infrastructure and the Adidas distribution next to him. I don't know what those sneakers look like. Obviously, he went to Skechers trying to have a meeting with them and trying to, you know, pivot that way. And that he was reportedly kicked out of the building. so I don't know what it looks like.

I do think that Kanye has enough relationships and financial capital to still create at a high level, but it's obviously going to look a bit different. I mean, I feel like he has a choice here. Does he just go all the way with it or just completely apologize? I don't think, like, does he end up doing a pod with Professor Griff or does he just be like,

you know, I really made a mistake. I apologize. There was a claim that he made. might be collaborating with Andrew Tate. With who? Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate. What would be the connection? The collab podcast.

I don't know what that would do. To freely put his mind out. Well, listen, Nick Cannon, right? Not to bring Nick Cannon to this, but he made some comments not too long ago. Very similar to what kind of thing. Very similar, yeah. I might, I think a little worse, honestly, than what Kanye said. Hmm.

And it's weird. There's only one person in common between the two of them that may have given this ideology to boat, never mind. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know. Am I only one that wants to have a little bit of fun with this? Because I feel like everyone got their important political rants off for the past week. No, no, no, no. I've heard every side.

I'm indifferent with everything. I want to love is love. I want everyone to love each other. I want to have a lot of fun with it. I want to have a lot of fun with it. But I do remember Nick Cannon's thing. And again, if I'm hearing correctly, what I remember Nick Cannon saying, I think was a little more, you know, disrespectful and a little more blatant

than what Kanye said if I recall correctly and Nick Cannon was obviously in some trouble with that and he sat down with he sat down with a rabbi I believe right and they had a conversation on this platform I think

so again I think Kanye will be able to pivot out of this he's going to have to sit down and talk with some people and again he may apologize he has apologized already for people that he may have offended and hurt. But I feel like he'll have to sit down with more people just to kind of, you know,

have that conversation and apologize and things like that. But I think that Kanye will be able to create again at a high level. I just think right now is, you know, I don't know what his plan is. I'm sure he has one. I don't know what that is, what it looks like. But, you know, hopefully he has a good plan and is able to come out of this without offending anybody any further. Do you guys think that this is past Kanye West trying to grab at any sense of attention and sell anything anymore? Is it past this?

I don't think it's about him trying to get attention. I think he feels the way he feels. I think he truly feels that way. And looking at a lot of the interviews, again, I don't, you know, I'm not in that world. I don't know exactly what people were totally offended at. I know he did say some things that may have, again, shook the cages and kind of like made people upset. Yeah. But it's like he said it's all for attention, though.

You think it's all for attention? I think everything Kanye West does positive and negative is for attention. That's what I think. And here's the thing. This is not in any defense of Kanye. But entertainers, I've always found it very odd in the entertainment world when people comment they're doing this for attention. It's entertainment. Yes, there's bad version.

of someone just doing shit for attention, but every, every entertainer wants attention. That's why they get into the business. You can capitalize off of attention. You can complain on what type of attention you want, cool, this and that, what it comes with, what it doesn't come with. At the end of the day, people in entertainment and in marketing and selling things want attention. Yeah. We had that attention conversation a few episodes ago when it comes to like our personal

feelings about attention. But at the end of the day, we are doing a podcast. So when someone says, do you want attention? Yeah, I want people to hear our podcast. people just have a negative connotation to the word attention based off how you get it and what your intentions are for it.

That's where things get split with Kanye because sometimes if we agree with what he's saying, do it like the telethon with George Bush doesn't care about black people. That's a beautiful way at that time to want to get attention at time. I think Kanye wanted to get attention at the time.

So yes, he used that platform. Attention to get his shit. With Austin Powers, just chilling there. Chris Rock was the funniest in the world. Yeah. They panned over to him. He was just like, oh. At the end of the day, everyone wants attention.

It's just whether we agree or disagree with what they're saying to get the attention is when we're like, well, that's, you're just doing that to get attention. Yeah. Well, it's because we don't agree with what he's saying. Hey, Kanye, you can come sit on this couch and talk to us, man. I mean, we'll have a conversation. You know, people say. I live here. Yeah.

Yeah. What's wrong what you're living here? Do you want his Belantiaga boots all over your carpet and couch? I don't know if I want. Nice couch. Rory. I don't know with everyone attacking Yee right now if I want them to follow Ye to my house. May we find like a discreet location.

Nobody's attacking him right now. Yeah, we'll go to malls. They're just cutting ties with him. But again, you know, if he's even if he feels the way he feels and he's saying these things, you know, I do think that people should give him the space and opportunity to, one, kind of like explain why he feels this way. I don't think that you just cut ties with him and just mute him and things like that. If he's saying something wrong, then have somebody sitting and say, Kanye, you're saying this is wrong. I think that's been happening, though. I don't think it has been.

It happened with Cuomo on CNN. He tried to have that conversation. That didn't go. That didn't go. And then he sat down with the, who's the scientist he sat down with? Now, that interview was really good. The one when he wanted to abolish steps? No, was that the scientist?

No, there was some more recent one. No, it was a more recent one. That interview was really good. I don't remember the scientist's name if we can find it. Lex Freeman. Lex Freeman. Lex Friedman. That interview was really good.

I don't know if y'all saw that. That conversation was really good. Lex, you know, offered some pushback and was combative and was saying why this is wrong and things like that. I thought that conversation was really good. I don't know how many people saw that. But, again, people can say things and get things wrong and miss the mark on things. But I think it's important to sit down and talk to them and tell them why and then try to come to an understanding. all of this, you know, canceled and things like that.

I don't know how progressive that is. I don't know how much that helps the situation. I think that you tell people, hey, that's wrong. Your ideas are wrong. That message is wrong. And this is why that message is wrong. Okay. I agree with you, but I'm going to give some pushback on that.

Yeah. At what point do you not do that when you're clearly speaking to somebody that has no interest in learning the information that you're trying to give them? Well, then that's when you offer them. Because everyone is entitled to. to their opinion, but if you're spewing hate speech, and this is not Kanye specific, and it's clear that you have no interest in hearing the other side

or having an actual conversation, you just want to have a debate and wait to talk and just get your shit off. Then at that point, it's like, we maybe need to shut up some hate speech here. Like, this shit you're saying is bullshit. Now, if you really want to have a conversation and learn and, like, really take in what someone else's point of view is, cool, I think that's important.

I think there is chance for reconciliation there and figuring things out and coming to some middle ground at some point because all of us are not going to agree. But if we can agree to actually listen to each other, cool. But there's also cases where you watched Cuomo and Kanye argue with each other like fucking children and scream at that point. That's not a dialogue. Y'all are just waiting to yell your point and no one's listening.

Yeah. That's what I said. Constructive conversations. Everyone wants to look how amazing they are or look how smart I am. It's not to have a conversation or try to retain new information or learn anything new about maybe some bullshit you said. I've been guilty of it before. I'm not saying that.

But that's where I think you draw the line with the quote unquote cancel culture shit. Can people make mistakes and shouldn't ruin their lives over it? 100%. That's just corny. We talk about it all the time. But there is people that literally think this way and have no interest in hearing the other side of what they're saying. And at that point, yeah, maybe you should just shut the fuck up and I'm not supporting the things you're selling. And again, not Kanye specific here, just an example of where cancel culture has,

existed from 2018 to now. I think that Kanye needs to have also with sitting down on platforms I think he needs to have a lot of conversations behind the scenes with people from the Jewish community from a lot of these businesses that he's been involved

with, a lot of these CEOs, I think they all need to sit down and talk behind the scenes don't make it, try to make it an entertainment piece, anything like that for clicks and views. But then, and again, we're all hypocrites at the end of the day, but specific to this Kanye thing. He's saying now that he's quote unquote canceled by everyone

the money is not me, the people are me and that's not the most important shit, the material stuff. But then he's screaming at Pierce Morgan and Cuomo, I'm rich, I don't need to listen to a fucking thing you have to say, I have more money than you. And then I'm like at that point, this person has no interest in hearing another side or another

opinion. Right, yeah. And now that you don't have all the money you had, now it's like, the money doesn't make me. Yeah, you go to that now and the people is who I am. It's like we've all seen the rapper that bragged about numbers for their first two albums. And then the third doesn't come in. It's like, I'm not even like focused on the number.

Like, y'all, y'all, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, all right, man. Yeah, you just can't go about it that way. And then people look at you and why not stupid. The consumer is the smartest they've ever been. We can see through the bullshit more than we ever have before. We remember what you said five days ago. You were richer than all of us.

You don't have to listen to us. We should be listening to you. And now it's, hey, the money is not me. The people are. You're not listening to the people, though. Yeah. It's just... I have to say Pierce Morgan is the people, but...

No, no, no. I understand what you're saying. It's just interesting. Listen to Pierce. A lot of people would point to the fact that Kanye said what he said about slavery years ago, and none of these brands or companies cut ties with them. You know, but after this, hit this past two weeks of interviews and conversations, all of these brands cut ties with them.

It's just interesting. I think it's an extremely valid, valid point. Mm-hmm. I was listening to Hot 97's morning show today about their response to that. Obviously, Peter being Jewish and Ebro being half Jewish, I was curious to see what their opinion on that specific topic was. Because I did see a lot of black people saying that. I think that's an incredible fucking point that is obvious. And to some degree, Kanye's point.

To some degree. Yeah. They had brought up the point that if these companies that were not black owned, went and canceled Kanye after he said slavery was a choice, they would get backlash that they are making decisions about the black community and about slavery. It's not exactly what Ebro and Rosenberg were saying. I don't want to directly quote them, but that's what I captured from their point on it. That had Adidas or some of these other companies cut ties with Kanye after that, they would have gotten pushback from the black community because they

are now making decisions about a slavery topic or about a black man making a comment about his own community. That was their point. I'm just here to relay the news. And there's also, when you come from the community, you can comment on that community. So Kanye, as a black man, can say those things. And even though it is a horrible thing to say, you can still say it because he's black, but he's not Jewish. So when you say things against an ethnicity or group of people that you inherently have nothing, you're not from them, from that, like, bloodline. It's not deemed as offensive. Yeah. It's, yeah. So if you say anti-Semitic shit, but you're not Jewish, it doesn't, like, it's like when white people use the unword. It's like, you can't, you don't have that in you. You're not

a part of that community. You don't have the past to do that. I think that, um, which I thought was, again, I have this entire week of just, I've just been listening to people's point of views on it. I'm in no way. I'm done rushing to any points I have. in my head, especially when it comes to shit that has to do with communities that have nothing to do with me because I am not black, if you can see by my thighs. And I'm not Jewish. Well, I'm 3% Jewish according to 23. These are Sean King thighs. These are Sean King thoughts. Ew. Why did you do that? How does Lenny Kravitz feel? We need to get Lenny Kravitz on a line. So I've just, I've been listening to other people's points. And I did somewhat understand what

Ebro and Peter were saying. But at the end of the day, sometimes that does get into semantics with me. And I just go with the point. And the point is, yes, Kanye said terrible things about the black community and nothing happened. And then kind of said some stuff about the Jewish community and lost everything he's ever had in the past 15 years. So that sometimes like stop with the gray area. I feel you. For lack of it is black and white at that point.

I think that, you know, it, you know, bars. Nice. Religion. Religion aside. I think that, you know, people. there are good people and bad people in all walks of life and holding all types of positions

and the corporations and things like that but again I think that Kanye needs to sit down with these people behind the scenes and have like real conversations productive conversations

listen don't be so quick to just talk and get your point across listen to their side of it listen to how they feel and their emotions and try to you know do things to make this right

and move forward because I don't know Like I said, Kanye probably has a plan with all of this. I don't know what that plan is. I don't know what it looks like. I don't think there's a plan here. I really don't. I don't think there's some grant sitting to get out of all those deals.

I don't. I didn't think about that. I think he went on a microphone and just started talking. Leading with confidence. If that was the case, then that's, you know, unfortunate. I think he had some Candice Owen talking points from the car ride there and just started talking. Well, whatever he had, he needs to have some conversation. He's away from the microphones and the cameras with these people and try to make things right.

You think these people are willing to talk to him? Yeah. I mean, they've done. They've been in a relationship. They have had a relationship with him, obviously. They've been in business for some years. So I think right now they're just, you know, he's having a moment where he's saying things that they don't agree with and they don't like and that's offensive to them. But I think that if he reaches out and he's willing to sit down,

behind the scenes and talk to them. I think they'll do that. Because if it's one thing everybody loves is that everyone loves making money. Okay, but let's say they have an amazing behind the scenes meeting and Kanye fully understands where he was wrong and has educated on the Jewish community and the actual case of the George Floyd shit, not from Daily Wire, but from the fucking coroner. Like maybe let's say Kanye finally comes to realization on that. The end of the day, he's still the biggest liability billionaire.

that we're aware of when it comes to the public. So his behavior is not, his point of view has changed, you know, between the old Kanye, the new Kanye shit. His behavior has not changed at all, just his point of view. So it's not like Kanye's changing

about how he goes about doing things. He just wasn't that bad of a liability before because we agreed with what he was saying. Now he's just a fucking liability. Like what would be, you can become a billionaire with someone else besides Kanye West when you're in the position that these corporations are already in.

Yeah, but Kanye, Kanye, again, I don't think that he's a, a mean-spirited, evil-spirited person. I don't think that at all. I don't think that they know that because they've known them for some years and they've been in business with them. But I think that, again, he's having a moment where he's just saying these things and it's like, you know, I think that people need to understand why. Like, why are you saying these things?

Like, why now do you feel like this? Why now do you decide to go on these platforms and say these things and have these type of conversations, what happened, what caused it. Yeah. And I think that's the conversation that needs to happen behind the scenes. I mean, I just wish I would have went to Donna school and got a summer vacation for the remainder of the next two years. Why, you can be repeating the past grades you were in when you were in that school? Nah.

When you try to go anywhere else? Nah. Nah, I got Donda. I got the Donda degree. Well, speaking of, I guess, I rate musicians in the headlines. I don't think it's this way. I actually agreed with Steve Lacey. But musicians is doing some shit.

Sometimes I feel like smashing a camera on my stage, since you guys will only know my TikTok song. I mean... Is that our fault? So he smashed the camera because they threw it at him? Yes, which... Don't throw shit. So they threw the camera at him.

It hit his leg. He said, don't throw no shit on here. Then he asked to get the camera. He went and smashed on the ground. Okay, as someone with... There's probably some great photos on that camera. Okay, but let's be honest. Because when people throw cameras up at our rappers and people like that,

they turn the camera around and take the selfie of the crowd, which is what the crowd is looking for. This is a disposable camera. Exactly. They're throwing it up for you to take a picture. They're not just throwing a camera at you to hurt shit. You're not a zoo animal. And I don't even know what you're throwing.

Oh, it's a camera coming out. I don't know that. Someone's throwing at me. And I know you guys are all amazing and have no temper issues. guys are just all even killed and amazing and beautiful spirits and everything. But as someone that has a temper, sometimes shit builds up, especially if you're on the road doing a bunch of shows, sometimes it takes just to let all that shit out. If I'm already on edge about this tour, I don't know if that's what the case with

Steve Lacey, but I can identify when shit is building up as it does with work that night after night doing this shit, you already have an issue with the crowd at most shows because it's a bunch your kids and you're a real musician, you're not a TikTok star, and you've been in the headlines as TikTok artist Steve Lacey. And then someone throws a fucking disposable camera at me. When you're too young to even know what the fuck that is, it's just trendy again. I'm going to smash it. Yeah, I agree. I think he's at an interesting point when we were talking about a little bit before we started recording, he doesn't identify with his fans. I think he's looking in the crowd and saying, I don't like these people that are listening to my music. I'm not a TikTok

artist. And I was late to this because I've had... I don't care how fans find me. If they buy tickets to our live show, tickets available now, new RoryMall.com. I don't give where they found me at. I think you disagree with that. I would love listen, let's have fun. You would not want a TikTok crowd. Why not? But they bought tickets. What's the difference between a TikTok? If you go to

the Mary J. Concert at Barclays, I'm pretty sure half of those people in there are on TikTok. It doesn't matter. That's a terrible. That is a... Everybody wants that that Summer Walker London moment

where she can stop singing in the entire crowd sings every lyric for the rest of the song which Steve Lacey is a real musician has been putting in work for a very long time. That's a real artist right there.

Absolutely. So he takes his show is very seriously. What does that mean? They don't know 15 seconds of one song. Yes, background. And I just put a hundred. whole tour together. Okay, but now

as a real musician. Now, as a real musician, you're going to hear the rest of my set and you may fall in love with other records that I perform. No, they're fucking 12 years old. They're sitting there waiting to put their phone up for 15 seconds. I'd be pissed. I wish I knew. That's all they know. Oh, right, but now, again, they're in the building. So now they have an opportunity to hear the rest of my

fucking catalog. And they may fall in love with the rest of my catalog. Steve Lacey already had a great fan. And they're TikTok. So they're, you know, they're shazaming as I'm recording. Here's the, but they're not, the style of music that Steve Lacey makes and the genius of his music is not specifically in that 15 second hook. It's a good hook, I get it, but that's not representation of his catalog at all. And he's not, to the integrity of the artist he is about to just lean into the 15 year old crowd to do the TikTok shit.

And it's so hard to get a ticket to his show. His real fans can't fucking get him. Okay, so, okay, that's where I feel like it's an actual. So he already had a great fan base. His fan base can't get the fucking tickets. I had two women reach out to me with kids. One, she's, I think 12. The other ones in high school.

I was happy. I felt warm about it. I was like, oh, this new generation, we're going to be a right. They're into Steve Lacey. Like, I used to shit on these really, really young kids and their music taste. They love Steve Lacey. Then I found out it was because of a TikTok song

and then I got kind of pissed. All the shows, no one can get fucking tickets because they're just being swept up by the TikTok crowd's parents. So yeah, I could be, I understand Steve Lacey. Like, all success sometimes isn't good success in that way. That's fair. And they're saying he's not a kid-friendly artist.

There's all these things, narrative, starting about him because he's showing frustration on stage. And they're saying this isn't nice to the children that are in the crowd. Man, fuck that. Don't throw no camera at me. He's not. He's not at all. Go to his catalog.

Go to his video. Yeah. He talks about fucking. Right. Okay, I get that But my thing is They still bought the tickets And they're in the building

But that's short-sighted though For where his, I think his career So it sounds like he needs to start booking bigger venues So his real fans can get tickets to Is that the problem? I mean That doesn't sound like a problem to me This tour was booked

I'm sure right before that whole TikTok shit Really took off So he was doing the side Well I'm saying he was doing the size venues That he thought he could probably do Without TikTok Yeah That's what I'm saying.

So, and especially an artist like Steve Lacey at the point in his career, because this is what his second actual album. That's a big tour for an artist, especially to build a real fan base. And these kids are going to move on to the next TikTok song. They're not going to move on to the Steve Lacey show. Listen, unless he keeps making TikTok music. I've been going to concerts for a long time. And I've never seen the artist get mad that his venue was sold out and say,

no, these are the wrong people that are in here. I disagree. I saw Justin Bieber scream at his audience when they couldn't clap on beat. they're white and he was pissed what you're talking about he was pissed uh no name sold out great venues said i'm tired of fucking raping to these white people i'm not doing this shit anymore i've seen plenty of artists get mad at the crowd that they bring in and not want to do it anymore how are they doing so go do a show in the fucking hood go to fucking morningside park build a state well i'm not in the middle of them i'm just giving you an example and fucking

rap for the hood like i don't i'm sure prince has been pissed at his crowd before this is listen i understand where you're coming from i understand where he's coming from but I feel like the issue is if I spend my money in a fucking recession that nobody's calling a recession on your tickets or my parents money who is ever money I feel like I should

get the best of you and I don't everybody has bad days but you up there miserable because you didn't attract the right kind of fan base that's first world problems ooh you're viral on TikTok oh your souls are your shows are sold out if you want to do all that artist's integrity shit you shouldn't even let your song get on

TikTok whatever anyway that's not fair because everything music related in America is first world problems and we talk about musicians and their issues all the time. That's all first world problems. Yes. Yes. You have a problem. Not having towels on stage. I just tell

it. I just tell them. You're mad somebody threw a disposal camera up. I understand that. Something hit you. I can understand you being mad at that. Clips I see of artists who just pick up the fucking camera and take a picture before you kick it out the way. You don't fucking kick the camera, stomp it and do all that extra

special shit. Do all that extra jazz club shit. If you want to do that, jazz club shit. For real, like that's extra that's mad blue note of him. Yeah, like that's extra musician shit. Listen, listen, listen, there's another side to this as well. So now you can, you know, you book a venue and have, you know, have a

2,000 capacity and you only sell 300 tickets and have your real fans there. Like, will Steve Lacey be happier with that? I don't know. I'm not going to speak for him, but. Is he signed to someone? Because they won't. Anytime, anytime you have a sold-out venue and you have a packed venue, I don't care how these fans found.

you, whether it's TikTok or whatever, you still have an opportunity for these people to learn the rest of your catalog, fall in love with another record, fall in love with you as your person, your personality, they get to see you on stage, how you engage with the audience. It's still an opportunity to gain new fans. I don't see what the problem is. Now, throwing shit on stage you should never do. I agree with that. That could have hit Steve in his face, whatever, you know, broke his nose, whatever,

anything could have happened. I understand that part of it. But to be upset because you feel like you're looking in the audience and these are all kids and TikTok TikTokers or whatever, the thing is they still paid a ticket and bought a ticket to come see you, come see you perform. However they love you, whatever song they love you for, they still paid and came to see you. And I think that's good for this year.

But to the trajectory of what a Steve Lacey career could be and the type of work he's put in so far, it's not like he was some artist in his bedroom that caught a lick real quick and caught a record. And it's like, well, fuck, I'm happy to be here. He's been doing this strategically for a very long time. And we've seen the catch 22 of what happens when you get a smash record. Sometimes it just defines you and you can't get out of that shit. And it ruins you actually building a real fan base because your fan base is just the moment.

So I think Steve's real fan base has not been able to be part of this tour. And I think the crowd that is there isn't particularly even in the mind state yet of the age they are to be like, oh, I like this other music and I'm going to be a lifelong fan. So I get the frustration of it. Now, financially, of course, who's ever going to be mad that they sold out Terminal 5 three nights in a row? If you're Steve, Lacey, how do you vet that? You make every fan before they buy a ticket. Right.

Say your B-sides. Perform three of my B-sides. Go. You're not going to be able to vet that. That's impossible. 21-over, maybe, yeah. I hope and I could be being pessimistic here. Maybe he is getting a whole new younger fan base that will be around forever because they're 15.

I just don't see it with why those kids are there. They're there for a 15-second loop. They don't even know the verses of the song I don't think that's as big as a percentage as we're making it out to be I think that that's probably a small percentage I think he has a lot of people that are fans of like maybe not lifelong fans that he's had

but people who have heard a couple of songs with his past album and they're like oh I want to hear more of this I don't think it's just all TikTok people because I'm not going to see a show of somebody of a song that went viral I'm not going to do that. But you're not that age and living that world

that's the shows that they go to. This sounds like a lot of ego attached to it as well Well, I mean, he's a position. Like, I, and, and, and, and, and, and, and one thing, and one thing we all know, and we all can attest to is sometimes that ego comes back to bite you in your ass. So, Steve, I mean, I understand it. Maybe, maybe, maybe, you know, I just talked about. Exactly. So, Steve, you know, I get it.

Maybe you want to look out there and see more fans that know more B sides and, you know, things like that. But, you know, you got to always humble yourself and just always look at it the fact that these people still paid money to come see me. No matter how they found you, no matter how they fell in love with your art. It's still an opportunity for them to learn more about who Steve Lacey is, the songs that Steve Lacey writes and produces. But I do understand him getting mad at the camera hitting him in his head. Yeah, don't throw shit. Well, I don't think he hit him in his head.

So moving, still just don't throw shit. Moving more into TikTok, how do you guys think that people take those viral songs and turn it into something positive for their career, not just a moment thing? Like, because this is a new thing. We have to acknowledge TikTok. We have to acknowledge the impact it has on the music industry. Where do we go from here is, okay, I had the 15 seconds go viral. Everybody's flipping in hoodies to Billy Elish.

What do I do next? It's, before every song, before every bridge and hook, I say, okay, okay, kids, this is another viral moment. Loop this one. Get your phones ready. Get your phones ready. Who can do a dance? Yeah.

Create a dance. Come on stage and create a dance to this one. You got to lean into it. It's the world we live in. I would focus group it. And part of the segment with the Steve Lacey record would be like, all right, I'm going to play a song that you haven't heard because you actually didn't listen to my album, you young fuck.

Right. Make up a dance to this one. Yeah. Yeah, you got to have seven kids on stage. You can't fight against that and become mad and upset about that. You have to lean into that. You have to find a way to say, okay, obviously these young kids found a record. They love it.

They love this loop. How do I lean into that? How do I, you know, like get these kids and these TikTokers to listen to other songs and find other loops that they want to maybe have fun with on TikTok. No, I mean, I think it's... You don't get upset and start slamming shit and go backstage like, there's fucking TikTokers out there. Like, I don't, I don't think that's the answer.

I mean, but to the Marysa's question, I think you use it as a commercial. Like, of course, there's way with sync and everything to make a lot of money off TikTok and your record doing well financially. But you just have to, you have to pivot from it and not be defined by it. Yeah. Because then you're just going to be trying to make more TikToks. And that's never even going to. Yeah, no, don't try to make a TikTok. But you just, again, Steve Lacey is an amazing artist, writer, producer.

But you can't, you know, you can't get. upset because at the end of the day, there's still fans in here that pay money to come see you. And again, you got to find a way to find that middle ground and, you know, and make it, make it a great experience for everyone. And I think, yes, he should take this moment to put on an amazing show, even if these kids only know that, because you could end up catching a few. Right. Rory, I think that I made women want to fuck you.

Excuse me? What? I think I am the reason why. Wait, what did you just say to? I think I'm the reason why. This was the sickest punch and I wasn't ready to hear. that and now I don't know how to feel. I think I'm the reason why women want to

You think anytime a woman has said, hey, I want to sleep with that guy, it's because he knows more. Prove me wrong. I'm not going to try. That's where that's fool for. There's no way I'm going to find out if that's true enough, because I'm never going to ask. Oh, man. So Ashanti sat down with the legendary Angie Martinez

for what would be her response to the air time that Irv Gotti had leading up to the documentary of the Murder Inc. story. And she had some interesting things to say about Irv and her time at Murder Inc. And she basically said Irv was lying about a lot of things. They were never together.

They were never a couple. She called Irv a fat piece of shit. Damn. I will say, though, getting fat on ecstasy is like new limits. So I think she's allowed to say that. Irv, I think, is in better shape now. But the fact he got fat while taking X. Yeah.

It's hilarious. And that's what happens when you run into someone. That means you eating for real. Yeah. You know how that shit goes. So she sat down and broke her silence on Irv Gotti. Oh, brother. No, she's selling a book.

Yeah, says he has lied about a lot. She's also, of course, say what you want to say because Irv went up there when he was trying to sell some shit and talk to your business. So get your shit off of Shanti. I'm not mad. I'm just saying, let's call what both of them are doing, which is selling something. I just love the fact that we can monetize all of these things now, these responses. Yeah.

Well, when I say we, I mean us in, this is media, right? The culture. I don't know. Culture. Us in culture. Right, Julian? This is culture? Someone would say that, yeah.

Le Chaim. So in this interview, Ashanti basically says that she was manipulated and taken advantage of by Irv and feared that if she didn't fuck that ogre, wait, did she say ogre? She didn't say that. I'm reading the caption of the video. Okay. If she didn't fuck that ogre, he wouldn't let her record.

He groomed and coerced her, and we all know what that means. We kind of felt like that because Ashanti was so young at the time. When the documentary came out, you know, we even said like, whoa, like, she seems like she was so young. And Irv kind of like just had her around the studio and kind of had his eye on her. Yeah. You know, we kind of felt like that. Just looking back at those moments in the documentary. and listening to his story about how they became intimate.

But she sat down on Angie. She spoke her piece and, you know, I mean, it is what it is. I mean, she's entitled to speak her part of the story. And that's exactly what she did. She didn't hold anything back. She let out a lot of feelings, I guess she had kept inside. I don't think we've ever seen Ashanti speak like this. I don't ever recall seeing Ashanti curse as much.

Well, Shanti's always been very, well, she comes from that PR artist development. developments, not the way Irv, PRR. Not that type of artist development that is being suggested here. But she comes from that school where artists knew what to do in press as far as how to answer shit. We never really got a full answer of who they are. She knew what to say on TRL. Yes, exactly.

She's from that era. So she's very good at that. But she's still, you know, a chick from Long Island at the end of the day. So it's nice when she opens up in this regard. It's just amazing that she would, you know, and her sitting down with Carson Daly, her sitting down with Angie's two different women. Two totally different. You think Carson Daly's a woman?

No, I mean, Ashaf. You assuming? I thought you were saying it's different women that she's sitting with. Carson Daly and Andrew. And her sitting now with Carson, the tone and the language she used with Carson Daly. And then the tone and language she used with Andrew Martinez was totally different. The FCC allowed it. On TRL.

Forget it. But yeah, I mean, I'm glad Ashanti's saying her piece on this. I saw she went on a few other platforms for it. But Irv saying, I made you fuckable is one of the weirdest and craziest things. I've heard in a long time. If you did say that, Irv, I'm not going to say you did. It's just, oh, you know, it's her side of the story. But if you did say that, Irv, that is some of the most insecure, craziest shit I've ever heard in my life.

I made you fuckable. And, well, Irv, I believe Irv said that. I think God made, I mean, she went through puberty. God did. Yeah, God did. It wasn't you, Irv? And again, I was young in that era, but I could imagine if I was like really outside in their age, I wouldn't have been like, is that who Irves with? Yeah, I think I want to fuck now.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man. It's just, I think that was Irv's way of trying to manipulate and control. And, you know, unfortunately, you know, men do that with women a lot. And they try to make them feel like they're not beautiful and they're not, nobody else wants them. And if they do want you just because I have you or they see. see you with me type of shit. It's insecurity at his finest. Fam, men

and this is nothing in regards to Ashant, men will fuck a hole in the wall. No man has ever made a woman fuckable in their life. Well, speak for yourself, worry. I'm not putting my dick in a hole in a wall. A percentage base. If you go through the consensus of data, men will fuck a hole in the wall. Not you

personally or me personally, but men in general would fuck a hole. Both of you have fucked holes. I'm not going down this path before I have to apologize. to another person. Yeah, I don't know what Julius talk about, but are you referring to a vagina? Yes, I love vagina. In the wall. No, not in the wall.

On the bed, like a fucking human being. Has a man ever made a woman fuckable to you besides her father? No. I've never looked at a woman that said, well, maybe Irv because Erv does right and maybe he was trying to do like some metaphor shit. Was he trying to say like, you are my child? No, he was trying to say like, I'm hot, I'm popular, I'm famous, I have money. That's not why we want to fuck Ashraf. That's definitely not.

Like, I don't care if she sings it not. Ashanti looks good. She could have stayed in Glenn Cove and never sang a note. We would have wanted to beat. Ashanti could have been working at a kiosch trying to sell me iPhone covers. I would have saw her and been like, yo, what time are you off? Who is she? Like, yo, what time do you get off?

I'm coming back. Well, yeah. This entire thing from Ersbaugh has reeked of insecurity. Yeah. Let's tell your truth, but we're allowed to say your truth was insecure. He started the interview with, Ashanti brought me this. It's engraved.

It was your birthday, Irf. Like, she was being nice to the CEO of her label saying, hey, happy birthday. Yeah, it was your money. But yeah, watch the interview. If you haven't seen it with Angie Martinez. It was good, sit down. Good conversation. I laughed.

And it's just always fun to watch two women just tear men apart. For sure. And I love Angie's podcast. That's one of the podcasts. That's the voice in New York. The real voice in New York. But it's even like we love. when Angie was able to do the longer form content even when she was at hot or just doing

interviews for magazines and shit. This is like podcasting is perfect for Angie Martinez. Yeah. Like if there's one person on earth that it's made for, it's Angie Martina. Angie talks to you like she's your aunt. Yes. Why did you do that? Why?

Talk to me. It's like you can't tell your mom or your dad, but you can tell your aunt. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's what Angie Martinez is. And she'll tell you you did some dumb shit in like such an amazing way that doesn't make you feel judged but wants me to tell you more about the dumb shit that I've done. The auntie way, you're better than that.

You know better than that. No, I don't. Ange, that's what I'm trying to tell you. This is why I'm sitting in front of you. Because I don't know better. I need you to clean it up for me. I can't keep my dick out of my hand, Ange. Speaking of murder, Inc.

What? Jaru's business partner, Billy McFarlane is at it again. The man behind the infamous fire festival has a new project on the horizon. Eddn. I know you can't wait because you want to try to DJ this one. scene. And it might be similar to what got him in so much trouble in the first place. Billy McFarlane posted a

video on TikTok Monday, fessing up to his wrongs and the last festival before hinting at what's next. He has something coming. He put a number up at the end of the video. Edin has screenshot at that and has dialed that number. You guys watch the Fire Fest doc, right?

The Netflix one. Both of them. Specific to the Netflix one. Once he was arrested but on bail, he then started that new company, which was, what was it, Hollywood Unlocked? I'm sorry, my bad, Jason Lee. I really didn't mean it. It was called Hollywood Unlimited.

I forgot what it was called. VIP Unlimited. It was something, one of those types of things. And I want no smoke with Jason Lee, so I just want to make that very clear. It was like VIP Unlimited, whatever. He took all the data from the people that bought Firefest tickets and then added them to this mailing list that was also fraud. So the fact that Billy McFarland Just put out a new trailer

With the end a number that you text To find out what it is Is quite possibly the funniest fucking thing And should not be legal to do on parole Because he's just doing the same crime Yeah But this time he's gonna make the event really happen The text prompt

Anyone that gives Billy McFarlane Their data and their number deserves Whatever they're about to get The text prompt is fishing for your contact information, which has been his scheme from the beginning, what he should do and what he could do. Oh, so that's what it is? Welcome to the treasure hunt. Drop your contact info to come on board. Yes. And then you click this link. Once you add yourself, you get the first clue. It's a super phone link. So you punch in your information and you're subscribed to this number.

Honestly, what he is doing and what makes Google and YouTube and all these other companies are valuable is he's harvesting personal information and data. He should just take all this shit and sell it to one of those companies. Instead of pretending like there's a party, pretending there's a festival. He's really good at fishing people's personal data. Just get 300,000 emails, names, contacts, and addresses and off-bid it to the highest bidder. Here, Google. But what if he actually puts together a festival? He won't. But what if he does? He's not an event organized. He's never done anything. What if it's lit, though? Yeah, I'm about to say now that, when you put it like that. Now that people know who, my bad, I should have said that. I forgot it was

now that people know who Billy McFarlane is and is aware of the story. You know the world we live in. You don't think that there are people behind him that saying, listen, like you said, you're great at fishing people's information. Yeah. Great at people getting, we're going to be behind you. We're going to actually make sure the event happens. Because last time he was trying to do it by itself. He was, it blew up.

He didn't, he wasn't expecting. He was doing shit on the fly. Yeah. This time he may really have people behind them that are, this is what they do. They put events together. Do you think that that's the case? He spent four of his six year sentence. He just got out.

You think in those four years he was locked up, he found, he built a team. to put together an actual festival? No, and I think knowing the scheme or an opportunity is, I'm kind of not mad at what he just did here. This is all he knows what to do. Because if people are just going to, at this point, if you don't know

not to text that number, you kind of deserve what you're getting. So I think this is also hilarious and a beautiful way to come out of prison. But quite the rollout. Can you imagine what was a, who did the Ponzi scheme? Like the number one Ponzi schemer.

What's his name? Joel Austin. No, well, he's still at large. Still at large. They know where he is. I know. Robert De Niro played him in the HBO shit. Bernard Lawrence?

Bernie Madoff. Bernie Madoff. That would be like, imagine if Bernie Madoff had actually gotten parole and got out of prison and then did a video on TikTok that said, hey, do you have retirement money? Invest it with me. Hmm. Yeah. That's the exact same thing that he's doing right now. And any old person that invested their retirement money with him now, I would say, deserves to lose all that they've worked for.

I'm on the other end of this. I think Billy is going to put together a real festival this time. I think so, too. And I think it's going to be amazing. Really? I just know how these things work. Like, he had such a documentary that was huge. Everybody saw it. And I think now with more information and more resources and more technology, people definitely reach out to Billy and say, listen, we're going to really make it happen this time.

So it's really this time. And I think, and now 100% thing is going to happen. Would you help? Would I help? No. No? No, but you said it's for early this time. I think these companies... Yeah, I wouldn't help, though. I think it's going to happen. I think the companies that have the capital and the resources to actually pull off festivals like that are only looking for people that know how to draw attention to their festival. And who better to do that than Billy. So I'm with mall on this. I think morally they don't give a fuck what Billy has done.

They know that he can do something like this, a low-res TikTok video with a number and we're all going to be interested and that's all the fuck they care about. So I'm with mall on this. He really might put together a legitimate festival. I think so. This is the equivalent of here's this new game that I developed. If you hack it, this is what the companies do. We'll hire the young hacker because he's so talented at what he does.

This could be a version of that where Billy's so good at getting this much attention. It could be back to attention. It could be negative attention, but it's attention at the end of the day. It is rolling loud. Yeah, exactly. I think that's what's going to happen. This is going to be Billy's rolling loud. I think this five festival is going to happen. I think that we're going to get documented.

of course they're going to document it actually coming together and really happening this time. And I think this may be the start of something annual. And you have to think how Fire Fest was destroyed is probably why it would maybe succeed now. Because everyone, the kids that this even ties into Steve Lacey and having your phone at the show to get the content because you live off that, these kids are going to want to run to Fire Fest to be able to say they were there and like, look, look. Oh, my God. Yeah, or let's see if it's bullshit. Like, Billy might put Rolling Loud out of business if he does this shit, right?

That's what I'm saying. I think this is going to really work. Just let Jai perform. Oh, Jai's definitely performing. 100%. Headline. Oh, my God, is he? I want a Murder Inc.

reunion with Ashanti Jai or Cadillac, everybody. At the Fire Festival? Yeah. Matter of fact, I want Fithy and Jai to squash the beef at Firefest. I feel like Billy could do. do that. I think Billy is the one. He definitely at least promise it. So we'll have to wait

and see about that. Chas couldn't do it, but Billy McFarling. And look how the world works, right? The 50 inch of choppy. Some funny shit that happened. Drake got tired of fake Drake acting like real Drake and sent fake Drake a cease and desist. Is this real? I think

it's real. I think it's real. I think Drake is like, yo, fam, I listen, it was funny for a second, but you are here trying to like make money at being me book their booking fucking walkthrough are they really this back to the walkthrough shit was he really getting paid that's what I'm saying

like this one look at his face what promoter and I know promoters for the most part can be very dumb what promoter saw that and was like I'm definitely going to get people to come to my club because the fake Drake that doesn't even look like Drake is coming his name is he Drake?

Oh no he had to take that page down because of that I mean I think exist. It's real. I think that the number one thing to take out of this entire thing is father your sons. Yeah. That's really all I have out of this. It's father your children.

It's okay for people to say, yo, you look like Drake, right? Fine. You can't help that you look like Drake. Whatever. I think if Julian did the right haircut, he had a fee of $10,000 for club appearances. My brother looks more like Drake than I did. Here we go. He was making up to 10 bands for club appearances. But as an impersonating. How do you know that?

Oh no. Oh, no, double-exel said it, my best. No, yeah, sorry. Yeah, yeah. But 5K for walkthroughs. He's wrong for impersonation, though. Yeah. I just think it's corny.

How is this any different than someone that impersonates Michael Jackson? Imagine a C&D for being corny. I mean, Hikee, this is what it is. Can you imagine that? Like, yo, man, stop being corny. You're not me. I think that's what they care about more. No, and not only that, it's just the brand running around with it.

What if it? does have like OVO merch on it. What if you go to the club and get into something and, you know, as me, get into a brawl of fight, somebody gets seriously hurt. It's like, you know, my brand is attached to that. And when you do the Michael Jackson impersonators and like Elvis ones, not to say Elvis really had moves, but at least, and I still don't even like that type of shit, but at least the Michael Jackson impersonators like have to go learn the moonwalk.

And like, there's some art to it. This guy would really just get people in Vegas at least. For sure. Go to Vegas and State Square. They don't make any money in Times Square. Not at all. He was in Houston. No, he was just going outside with a heart cut into his head and be like,

yeah, Drake. That's a moot good. Yeah, that's just so cool, you, bro. Why, he's selling like your sinuses are congested. At one point in Drake's career, he sounded like that. Yeah, Drake. He's trying to get his wane shit off. Recently, fake Drake announced that he signed with celebrity boxing and challenged the real

Drake to a million-dollar boxing event. Oh, that's why Drake said the cease and decision. He called him out for a fight. He would put him to sleep in two seconds. Set for August 27th. Drake and Paz agreed to stop impersonating the Sixth God if he loses the fight. All right. Yeah, I would have sent a cease and desist.

You can't call me out to fight. It's just the proof of the cornyness. One, nothing's going to change if you continue to impersonate me in my life. Nothing's going to change. So I'm not going to one fight you to stop something that's going to change nothing. Two, Drake is never fighting for a million dollars. There's got to be a B next to that. Yeah.

Three, I'm taking Drake. I probably put what I have on my in the liquid in my bank account on Drake knocking this kid out in the first round. Drake is putting him to sleep in 30 seconds. Listen, bro, it's not even, it's nothing even watch. Oh, okay. All right, cool.

Baby D feels different. Okay. Well, they heard you, baby D, they heard you. You ain't here about when Drake knocked dude out at the fourth of the last party. You think this corny loser who impersonates Drake and gets a heart in his head on a weekly basis and probably just smokes hookah.

Just for the video. He coughs afterwards. He's going to challenge Drake. He definitely did the hookah and then cut, cut. He pulled Jim in his house and a professional personal trainer. You think he has a shot against Drake? No. This guy's getting put to sleep in two seconds.

He's so unimportant. No one knows his real name. When does his being unimportant mean that you couldn't fight? He can't fight. Look at him. And you look at Drake and say, I think he got hands. I will go in the boxing ring and someone can teach him out. I think Drake is in shape.

I think Drake works out. I'll knock this dude the fuck out for $20. There you go, Izzy. Izzy, we got your fight right here. Julian said he'll put you to fucking sleep. $20. $20. $20.

Pull up. $20 in the cot. We'll put it on Patreon. I'll match your $20. It's $40 now. The purse is going up. 40. It's 40.

It's 40. I get what you did with that, bro. That's 40. I could, wait. I could impersonate 40. Yeah, you can. I can be 39. 39.

You know, fake 40. What time are we at? This has been a great episode. We got to leave now. No, we have our great friend coming on. Before we leave, though, we do want to say, you know, continue prayers. For Izzy Drake? No, and well wishes to Bryn her.

Oh, yeah. Who lost her appeal and will now begin to serve her nine-year sentence in a Russian jail. You know, I see a lot of people saying she's wrongly detained. She's not wrongly detained. She was caught with an illegal contraband substance, whatever you want to call it in a foreign country. I do realize that in America, if she was caught with this, it wouldn't be a big deal. But she wasn't. So unfortunately, you know, she's being held.

I do think the sentence is way too harsh, though. Yeah. I do agree with that. But the laws of the land are the laws of land, unfortunately. And she was caught with that in a foreign country. So they did not her appeal, but we are praying that, you know, she will not have to serve anywhere near nine years for this, for this crime that she committed. So prayers and well wishes to Brittany Griner, and hopefully you are returned home soon. And prayers to Leslie Jordan and his family, actor, comedian, you know, Instagram, social media.

media sensation. Sensation. Who we loved during the pandemic. His videos was amazing and funny. By far some of my favorite. So prayers to Leslie Jordan. He passed away the other day in California in a car accident. They believed that he had some type of medical situation and may have passed out behind

the wheel or something like that, which caused him to crash into a building. So rest in peace and prayers to the family of Leslie Jordan. And yeah, man. we got a friend of ours coming through Oh before we do we have a We have a gift from our side chick Britney Rinner She's not our side chick

She's my side chick She's America's side chick She's my side chick today Because you guys are not Being American side chick Is she what vegan get you Matter of fact You should give some Britney Ritter

You should copyright that Because she should take that She should say I'm America's side chick She is America's side chick She is America side chick She's mine today So uh Now I was addressed to both us

Crystal Crystal the uh what is it A fast food brand? Yeah. It's vegan fast food, right? No. It's not vegan. Okay. So, I don't know where you got vegan from. I'm just, I'm just focused on Britney sending us a gift. So this is, Brittany sent the box to us and says, let's keep our little secret. Okay. That's very big lettering for keeping a secret. The new Crystal side chick. Baby D, you see what Brittany

Renner sent me? You're jealous? You don't send me nothing. It's fucked up. Please, let's not. You don't send me shit. I just think it's cool that mall's doing an unboxing video. Yeah. Don't let your main chick find out about your new side chick, Rory. Maybe don't put side chick in huge letters on the box. Yeah, don't say who it's from. Look, you got a main thing.

And number one, a go-to chicken sandwich. That's cool with us. We just want to be a side chick. These tempting little chicken sandwiches are available all day and all night. I know some chicken sandwiches that are available all day and all night. I think sweet chick should just buy this company. And if you're worried about your main chick, Rory, finding out, don't. We created a side chick cover.

spray that smells like your go-to chicken sandwich that they'll never have to know. Keep your main thing the main thing if you want. But scan the code to learn more just in case you can scan that code if you want to know how to cheat, Rory. Is it a perfume? What's the... So it says to Rory Mall, Crystal and two chains are unveiling the new side chick chicken sandwich with the help of Brittany Renter.

This is as easy as it is delicious. Don't ditch your main chicken sandwich. Crystal just wants to add a side chick. But what if my main chick finds out? Don't worry. Just use the cover-up spray. that smells like other chicken sandwiches. So the next time you go through the drive-thru,

your main chick won't suspect a thing. So if they got some chicken spray in here, I'm going to vomit. Oh, my gosh. Oh, cover-up spray. Sunday's best. Cover-up spray? So what does it just kill whatever smell is on you?

Is it like fried chicken? Wait, I want a chicken. They didn't send a sliders? This definitely smells like chicken. Does it? This one 100% smells like chicken. Fail. No, this is like greasy

ass fried chicken That's the crazy shit I've ever smelled Oh my god It's making me nauseous a little bit Yeah, no Don't bring the chicken perfume Like old oil

Yeah No greasy fried chicken They sent one bottle So Rory that is all yours Hey Bays This is sick Or I have a new strategy This is sick

This could be For white people to spray in their house to make it seem like we know how to make fried chicken. That's crazy. It's giving good fried chicken smells. I'm going to spray. Oh, sorry. Just was frying up some chicken. Do one spray. Do not spray that shit in my house. Hell no. You fucking crazy. Side chicken. Dog, do not spray fried chicken oil in my living. Do it on your wrist and do this. Talk. You don't know of your wrist. Do it on the last lap with that.

I'm taking this away from you. You are not spraying chicken oil in my living room. Yo, Crystal, thank you for this. Two chains. Brittany Renner, thank you for that. But we will not be spraying. No, look at Bay's nose. She's going nuts. Oh, yeah.

Look at that. Oh, yeah. If I did this with my cologne, she wouldn't even get up. She smelled that chicken. She knows what time it is. That's a side chick. Thank you to Crystal for this lovely bottle of grease

that they just sent us. It's looking at me like, now I smell like it. Yeah. Maybe we'll give it to our friend. friend that's coming through in a few pulling up. We got our friend Joyce Rice coming through pulling up to kick it with us. Yes. We get it some real life relationship type talk that I didn't feel was a very cliche.

Yeah, let Joyce get her shit off. Let's see what she has to talk about. Download Joyce's new EP as well. Yes. Amazing, amazing, amazing EP. She got some shit on there. Look at Jeasy. As soon as I open my phone, it's cheesy there.

Try to get to Joyce, got to Jeezie. Motive, the EP, Joyce Rice, available now. So yeah, we're going to kick it with Joyce. And then we're going to get out of here because we have things to do and we have chicken spray to spray across the country. Let's do it. So we'll talk to you on the second. When was your last fight since you're a Buddhist? Fight?

Yes. What was the last time you just, no? Through some hand. Just a little chin check. Nothing crazy. I'm very peaceful. I mean, I can. I know someone that's full of shit.

She just push me I just had to tag a bitch last week you got out of me She started talking crazy No In Japan Yeah I had to throw hands in Japan I remember it

When I would go to Japan That's a content series People wouldn't know I spoke Japanese And they would talk shit About me And I would be quick with the Yeah

Yeah Speaking Japanese just to let you know Like Buddhist way of life Of course Yeah Well you know You gotta keep a peaceful

Everyone's a work in progress I understand Be wise and peaceful Yes I'm keeping the peace by keeping you in place. I like that. I like that. Right?

Yeah, I like that. There's a lot of niggas out here that's kept in place. That's somebody that's not full of peace. Yeah. Says some shit like that. That's somebody that has a flip side that they'd rather not tap into where they become crazy. I hope I don't have to tap into it.

I'm the same. When was the last time? Yeah. Did tap into it though. When's the last time? And what was his name? Oh, my God. Oh, you thought of his name immediately.

I knew it was coming. No, I mean. I was very proud of myself because this year I was able to cut something off at a good amount of time when sometimes I have a tendency to let things drag on because I'm like hopeful or maybe I want someone to change, you know? Yeah. Or you're just comfortable with misery. It's cool. Which I don't want to live that life. Yeah. I don't want to live that life anymore. No, not me. Comfortable with misery? Yeah, I don't want to know. Joyce, I've listened to Blurred Lines.

It's one of my favorite songs. You don't need to lie to me. But that was how many years ago? Growth. Growth. How old are you? Still rings true. We don't have to talk about it.

You don't ask a woman her age. No, you have to these days. No, you don't. Why? What does that do for you? Okay. Yeah. I ask.

I don't give a fuck. He was suggesting you look young. That's what he was saying. I'm a gentleman, but I'm going to ask because I'm not going to be in front of a judge like, Your Honor. I didn't know. Well, I'm old enough. Okay. I was just trying to figure out.

Just to figure out how much growth happened in the years. Like, you know, that's all. We were discussing earlier what my industry age would be. I mean, I've been up front with my age, but I feel like I'm getting to the point that I could lie now. What's your industry age? 28. I could get a 28 off, I think.

Okay. I'm 32. Do you actually have it, like? No, everyone knows my actual birthday. It's May 4th in 1990. I've never hit that. But I'm thinking maybe a little rebrand, 2023. Maybe I'm just 27 going into 28.

You know, trying to finish off my 20s, right? Yeah. Step into your 30 strong. I was thinking like 28 and 39. 27. I can't do 27 into 28 this year? You have, you, it's a compliment. You've accomplished a lot.

You've accomplished a lot. It's sick. But that's what I was going to put in my high heat after. Now, you look like you accomplished a lot. Like, that's not, you're not softened. You're not softened. You should be happy about success. Not your face.

But if I go on a date and I'm like, oh, you're 27. Oh, okay, you have this going on, this going on, this going on. You're really young. to have all of this wrong time. I don't believe you. Okay, I feel you. So I think heading into 29 makes more so. So you're saying I was at 27?

At 27? Because you knew me at 27. No comment. Grow, girl. You've grown, you've matured. You've matured. I've grown for sure. I don't think of matured per se.

No, Rory is definitely matured. 100%. Yes. Joyce has known me since I was probably 27, 28, I think. We got about five, four, five years in, right? But I haven't. Jazz would know better. I haven't, yeah, like, I haven't really.

hung out with you enough to know if you've mature. Yeah, you've seen the surface, like, representative of who I really am. You don't know me like mall knows me. Rory has definitely matured. See, yeah, I don't, I don't know. One thousand percent, definitely. When I first met you, you were so quiet and standoffish.

I still am. I have not grown up. That has not changed. Oh, really? That has not changed. I guess because we know each other, you're more friendly. And I think it was maybe because, like, you passed on, like, four beats I had. And then I was like, all right, fuck her.

You just want to go all out. Damn. You know what's funny? We were all here hanging out as friends. When was that? A month ago, two months ago? Eight? Oh, no, that was a while ago.

That was after the tour? When you live in life, like, it just goes by, you know? Yeah, the last day, April. I was 27. Late April. At the time. Yeah. Yeah.

I get it. I played the record that's out now with drama and Alex Isley. And Joyce was like, oh, I love this. This is dope. I was like, I played you with this beat like five years ago. But it sounds better. And, you know, through the years, you know, sonically things change. I get it, yeah.

And her defense, she tried to write to it. And then I think she was just trying to be nice. Which one? Yeah, I can't remember which one. It's okay. Doesn't matter. But. Don't worry about it.

What does Nick Cannon mean to San Diego? Nick Cannon. Oh, gosh. I only care so much about Nick Cannon because I love Ryan Carey. I don't know if that says anything. But I don't know much about. Nick? Nick.

He's not a staple in San Diego? I mean. A staple. I feel like it's Shamu, Navy Seals, and Nick Cannon. Nick Cannon? Nick Cannon's from San Diego. He is. So is.

And now Joyce. That's... Yeah, great. That's the list of... One hell of a lot of a lot. San Diegoans. What did it call it? San Diegoans.

San Diegoans. San Diego. Yeah. Deagans. But I'm not mad at Deegans. San Diego. You know? I'm a San Diego.

Okay. What was the difference in L.A.? When you move... I like San Diego a lot. You do? What do you like about it? Just the city, like, just the city like just the landscape. I think it's a pretty city.

It is. Yeah. Yeah, it's very pretty. It's very pretty. I like San Diego. Yeah, no. Oh, what you do in San Diego? I don't know what they're.

The landscape, right? I do. Like, I think San Diego's a pretty city. Like, L.A. is L.A., obviously. But, like, San Diego is more laid back. It's, you know, but it's still pretty. You was out there for work? Like, what were you doing?

San Diego? Yeah. No, we went out there, like, when we was in L.A. one week and we just went to San Diego. Just real quick. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. A little getaway.

Why are you trying to turn it into something crazy? No, I'm just wondering. Like, that's all. It was sweet. What? You make it a sound like, oh, we ended up in Soho that night. I mean, San Diego in LA, that's a quick little road trip. It's a nice little road trip.

Okay. Got you. Stayed the night? No, I didn't drive. No. Yeah, we stayed the week. You were driven? Well, it was me and a few of my homeboys.

We all just got you. That's my first time. You guys rent to the house? Or like, what happened? Yeah. We had the house. We had the crib, you know. By the beach?

Not by the beach, but beach wasn't far. We can see it from what we did that good time No, I heard just know Trying to figure everything out The weekend is San Diego San Diego is so much better than LA Like they have better food than L.A. I'm not going to say better

But I don't do that I'm not mad to sneak off to San Diego every other fucking week You got something in San Diego That's her spot You're sitting and laughing out there Oh Yes really

No Damaris ends up Who is in San Diego Something tickling with you? I have friends in San Diego I have friends in San Diego That sounds like a song I have friends in San Diego We should write one.

We should. It'd be funny if you guys knew a singer from San Diego. Oops. Damn. I need to know more about this. She might pass on the beat. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, don't let me produce it.

Give it to her now. In five years, we'll get the record. Don't worry about it. I'm dead. All right, so you was in Japan. You're back. New album coming soon? Motive is out now.

Yes, come on. I'm sorry. Listen, it's been a hell of a hell of week. And Mall's defense, they didn't send the press release form in Tom No, I don't do press release forms Don't send me no fucking I would never say it

He doesn't read it He would never see it Just sit down and talk to me Yeah I don't give a fuck about a press form Well I'll talk to you about my EP Motive Motive okay What was the motive behind motive

Or who was the motive behind motives What was the motive? Who's the motive? What was the motive? Yeah I'm single Uh-oh Uh-oh

You know what See when artists are single When you lead with that it's some energy behind it's like okay what we're talking about on motive it's just fun flirty why you start flirting when y'all get single again i mean naturally i am a flirtatious person okay um but you mean why do we why do we get flirty when we're single we i mean we don't got we don't have to worry about anybody else oh so he was worried about you wanted to flirt is what you said well no i guess it feels like you wanted to flirt when you was in a relationship he was holding

you back from getting your flirt with my this is He was restricting your flirts. Don't let her restricts your flirts. No one restricts me from doing anything. Oh, so you're unfaithful in relationships, is what you said. Oh, my Lord. Listen, I appreciate an unfaithful woman at times. I'm not going to be honest.

You do have to appreciate one. It shows a different type of honesty. Like, yeah, you know, I flirt it. It's okay. Now, cheating, I don't know if I consider flirting cheating, though. Flirting. Flirting is different. To be honest, it seems like everyone needs to just,

define what cheating means for them and then whoever you're in a relationship with, y'all just respect those boundaries. I feel like if you have like brothers or like male family members, that's like, that's cheating to me. Like, why are you talking to them? Yeah. Like, why? Come on. Listen, that. What you need to talk to me? Those are his thoughts and his thoughts only. Like flirting for you is not cheating. You're saying I would be uncomfortable if my man was flirting with another. But flirting is so subjective that it's unfair that I could not be flirting, but to you, that's your definition of flirting. Okay.

So now I'm open to sudden flirting. I see. Which your definition of flirting. Existing. Breathing. Breathing. No, for me, it's really just like, are you comfortable doing that in front of me? I guess that's the biggest thing.

I'm not mad at that. Okay. But I could be a dirtbag and do anything in front of you. That's nothing. Okay. Are you comfortable doing that, yes? Having a conversation. The conversation is fine.

Yeah. If you have, you know, you're going out to do whatever. What if I'm uncomfortable doing things in front of you because you're psychotic, even if it's innocent, I'm not going to do it because I know you're nuts. Well, then don't be with that woman. I guess if you know something that's going to make me feel uncomfortable, you know. So what would make you feel uncomfortable? Um, hmm. For example.

what he did before the EP came out. You know the example. What did the bittersweet goodbyes do? What did he do? I need to know what he did. And it's social security number. I guess what would make me... For example, I mean, this didn't bother me, but like...

Oh, it definitely bothered you. I know, right? When you start with that, that is true. I'm just listening. I'm waiting here. When someone's like, no offense, it's like, you're being... No disrespect, but... Well, no.

for example, like, this kind of bothered me, but if I want to make plans with someone but they say they're busy but then I see I end up going to the spot.

Yeah, let me say the spot. And you end up showing up there with another woman. Like that makes me feel a little uncomfortable. In his defense, he said he was busy. Exactly. And that's why I'm like, I can't, I can't be mad. Who is this person?

Like who is the person? She was the homie. That's what I'm saying. Homie. Maybe. You know? This is really happening. This happened. It was definitely a highlight room.

Did this happen to me twice? Highlight room. Stupid. Okay, once. Feels like one and a half. I don't know why it felt like that had happened to me before. No, but somebody, I thought, I thought someone, yes, this has happened to me twice. And is this a L.A?

It's the LA dating thing or is this across the country? Well, no, I mean, also these are like mixy spots, but the first time it happened to me, I wasn't dating that person. Like, we weren't talking. You just liked him. Some LOLs in the text. And unfortunately, he's just showing up with a bunch of people he's entertaining. Okay. I mean, that's not his.

But that's different. But the other thing, yes, that made me uncomfortable. Then he showed up. I can understand that. Well, did he tell you what he was doing? No. What if he was honest? What if he was straight up honest and was like, yeah, I'm linking him with a friend.

That's a girl. Let me go into the spot. I don't mind. I love that. I like that honesty. I do. Women don't like honesty. No, I would be like, cool.

In hindsight, they like, Joyce. And then if you're fucking around with her, that's your bad and it'll come out eventually. Would you still like him? You don't want that honesty, though. I would appreciate that honesty. But you're right. Sometimes I've been in positions where I've, wanted honesty and I regret

it so I've learned from that but in that situation I would have wanted it sometimes just lie to me maybe from a male perspective like we lie about shit like that a lot when we like really genuinely like the girl I know you know I'm saying like we don't want it as much as you say you want that honesty it's like you know because that's going to turn into something else

to hold another conversation so it's like we got to kind of withhold some of the truth when it's like damn I like I don't want to tell her I'm going with another girl to this No, it's different though because if you have nothing to hide, then just be honest about it. I don't care. I love honesty. I'm not the type. You're hiding perception to some degree because it could just flat out be I'm going out with my home girl. But we're in a talking stage where I don't know if it would be weird to even give you that type of honesty yet.

Or if you'd feel away if I did. Or if you don't at all, then I look fucking crazy being like, hey, do you mind if I go with my home girl? And she's like, I'm relaxed, bro. But if we're in a relationship. Oh, that's different. Yeah. That's drastically different. Relations.

Yes. Okay. We're in a relationship. I should know the girl. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. I might not have met her in person, but I should know who she.

Yeah. I feel you. And her IG handle. But talking, I guess I get what you're saying. You got to pick and choose your battles. But I would prefer. Okay. Especially if you told me, no, I don't know.

I guess we saw each other and that wasn't planned. Oh, well, I want to know once you guys made. eye contact. What was his facial expression? Number one. What did you do as the first reaction? And then what did your group chat tell you to do? Well, actually, my managers were there. What did Jazz tell you to do? She, she, yeah, she was like, hi, like just, you know, the fake handshake? Oh, yes. And Jazz isn't condescending at all. I'm shaking a lot of fake hands in my life. Yes, I know the handshake. I was definitely like, you know, just.

It hurt. My stomach dropped a little bit. Before you answer that, did you tell him you was going to the spot? No. So you was creeping. Cancels each other out. It was for work. I was meeting.

I was meeting. He was there for work too. Sure, okay. Either way, either way, I cut that shit out. I call out. We had a we work in space. It's a we work. Oh, you work here too?

Yeah, like, damn, Joyce, I don't even know. My office is right here. I got this section. I'm the bathroom attendant. Yeah, I got a co-op. I give out gum. I'm done. So we work.

We're all in the same thing. We all work. It's the important question that everyone wants to know is, okay, you're single, but are you looking? Because we can go outside at night. You know, I think we should. I look cute tonight. We should. Well, whose outfit are you wearing?

Because you've changed three times that you pay. No, if you need a pick from the closet, have a blast. Yeah, go ahead. Have a blast. It's just a little hot in here for what I. You came in with a fur coat. I understand. No, no, no.

You had that shit on. It was a look, though. It was a look. Thank you. Anyways. I'm single. I'm single. LA is so tough to date.

Wait, what did you ask? All my friends are you looking? You know, I'm open. I would love to have romance in my life. I would say that I don't have the energy a little bit with my career. but if you can catch my attention, I can entertain it. See, that's what I'm trying to tell them. Do you, it just don't sound the same.

Like, you know what I don't, I don't word it that way. For you your situation. How do you word it quickly? Yo, I'm busy. Yeah, I'm on the road of shit. Like, I'm on the road. I'm going to London next way. Yeah, shit is just crazy right now.

Yeah, like the time that it takes to really invest in it really have this healthy, like, foundation. I ain't really got that. But I'm going to hit you when I'm in your city, though. As a man ever got, gotten that. line off to you. Like, yo, shit is just, shit is weird right now. Shit is crazy. Like, it's hard to even explain. I don't even want to put you on, like, and get you involved with everything. His girlfriend hasn't moved out yet. Who is this? If he said shit is crazy right now, his girlfriend is still halfway more.

That sounds very personal, DeMarx. I'm just, what? As she took a big gulp of that white wine she's drinking, that was very personal. That was in her soul. No, I'm the girlfriend that hasn't quite moved on the way out yet. Okay. So it's personal. Yeah. So she checked his phone and he said, yo. shit is crazy right now to all the other chicks. You see it's difficult right now. It's a lot going on.

It's a lot going on. All right, so you took that night in a highlight room. I don't know if that's where it was, but we're going to say that's where it was. It definitely was out of it. We're going back to. Or town next door. It was definitely within that block. And you wrote a beautiful love song.

Wait, which you're talking about motive? Yeah. Motive is not about, I mean, bittersweet goodbyes, yes, is about, I don't want to let this shit go, but you don't have your shit together. So we're just going to move on from that. What shit didn't he have together, hypothetically? Hypothetically. I think complicating the situation.

Was he broke or he just had too many? No, he has. I think he has a good amount of money. Not, I don't know about too many bitches, but I think he just was insecure, overthinking everything. And secure about what? Dating a beautiful woman and her being a songstress. Successful.

Beautiful voice, successful. What traits made you think he thought that of you? like I'm too insecure because you're so amazing. No, it just was complicated. Because I think you're amazing. I'm saying this more hypothetical when women say that. Like, I just couldn't handle me. Like, I was just too much.

Like, what gives you the thought that he's just like, she's so great. I can't do it. I can't handle it. No, I think too, I'm really about my work. So if I can't see you Monday through Friday, I just can't see you. And I guess some people really want you to make. the time. Oh, I see.

Love languages only matter to women when it benefits them. That's what you're saying. That is not true. Don't let him get his shit off. Stop. Fight back, Joyce. Because I was on, I was just like, yeah, I can't see you these days. And I guess he just took it.

I get it. Took offense to it. Do you think it's because he knows that you're a flirtation person? I can't believe we're talking about this for right now. Huh? Do you think, do you think it's because he knows? that you're a flirtatious person? I think some people don't know.

I'm very loyal. Like, I'm really not. You give loyal to her. Yeah, I'm not sneaking around. But I. We're not doing it. I'm not letting Demaris get at all. You snuck to highlight room.

I was sneaking the same path. The we work. The we work. It went to we work. Yeah. No, but I think, I feel like he was insecure. He thought I might be playing him and I wasn't at all. Okay.

I really think that's what it was. That's because he knew deep down that he didn't deserve you, so he was insecure about having. Oh, brother. Thank you. Okay, accountability-wise. Do you think- Yeah, Joyce, thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, Joyce, thank you. Yes, thank you. That's exactly it was. Were there any signs in hindsight that maybe you gave that could have a man think maybe you were?

I don't know. Like, for example, this is funny, I'm just going to say it, but like I'm on tour with Lucky Day and you see a video. No, my girl ain't going on tour Lucky Day.

We're not doing that. And you see a video of me and Lucky performing and we're like, yeah, yeah, see what I'm saying? You know? Y'all are tautish. Yeah.

Yeah. Like I think three Bonnie and clock lives. I think maybe some men would be insecure about that possibly. He usually be gressed up too, ma. Yeah, this nigga got grease on and shit. What type of a nigga put grease on?

He ain't even lotion. He got grease on. It says grease on the jaw. Yeah. Y'all need candles. I need pineapple juice and I need grease. Like, yo, what's just a sick-ass rider? I mean, I don't think I, I wouldn't find any that weird.

What? My nigga putting grease on? If it's part of the show. It was baby oil. It was baby oil. Okay. He's an R&B singer. It's part of the show.

Okay. I know I get killed for being secure and I'm like, what do they call it? I'm pushing the women agenda. Yeah. When I'm secure within myself. Yeah. Oh. That is not true.

That's crazy. If my girl is on tour with Lucky Day as part of the show, have a blast. Yes. Thank you. Lucky got to know I'll knock you the fuck out if you try anything else. Then we cool. Yeah, but like, besides singing and performing, like, Was there anything going down?

Yeah. No. Not going down, but like, what does the performance look like? Is it like a lot of- Two people singing on stage dancing together. Yeah, but like dancing. Such whole behavior. What is it like line dancing?

No. Line dancing. Mo, we both been a lucky day show. Do you think they was line dancing? I'm just trying to ask Joyce. No, like it's just, we're just performing. You know, having you, I don't know. Yeah.

What are you? Like. No, I get it. I'm just, you know what? It's harmless. I'm just trying to think like if I was dating a woman that was a performer and an artist, like, how would that make me feel? And I got to be. And you should.

Yeah, you should reflect on that before you decide to be with someone who is. But if your girl's on tour with lucky day, you're not worried about Lucky Day. If you're insecure, you're worried about, all right, but his managers around and his other friends with money or celebrities or. Oh, really? No, I'm worried about the name. with the grease on. You don't think he would be worried about Lucky? I think, yeah, but I feel like at some point,

you're arguing against your point right now. By the way, you say, he shouldn't be worried about Lucky. He should be worried about Lucky. I'm just, I'm just shocked. You're arguing against the point. No, I'm just shocked because she's like. If you have common sense, you know that obviously she's not going to sleep with the headliner of the tour she's on.

That would be stupid. That would be super stupid. I guess. I know. Nobody's ever done that. I know. That's what I was. But it's more likely for her to.

That's why 80s R&B was the way it was. He's going to be around. Maybe he has a friend. Maybe he has, you're just exposed to a lot of truth. No, I'm focused on a nigga with the good voice and the grease on. That's who I'm like, yo, fan, how many nights y'all got left on this tour? That's why I'm at with it. Are you going on the tour?

No. I'm not bringing you on the tour. I'm definitely not doing that. All right, hypothetically, you and all are dating. You're on tour with Lucky. He feels like he needs to be on the tour, but he's like, yo, Rory has to come to because we have to pod. Uh-uh. So the green room is just me and more.

all just making sure you and luck is luck and mall starts out hey look relax no no I don't know I'm not I'm not that guy I don't need to say I'm not sure I would never ever try to call it but you couldn't be with a perform like a singer or a performer touring artist oh you could yeah do you were just saying take this pot to the next level any single like songstress friends for mall yeah Azalea Azalea Banks is is the number one candidate right now

For mall? That's my, that's my homie. I love him. Well, you have to start out as friends and then you become lovers. Yeah, that's how it starts. Yeah. But no, that's family.

But just the case, Joseph, we need to back up. Single. Throw any names out there. You could text me to me. For me? Yeah. But no, actually, if you think about it,

Azulia's probably the safest one because she beats with everyone in the industry. She's not going to do a joint tour. It's going to be a solo tour. Yeah. It's definitely Azealia by herself. She's not going to roll with nobody. Mall, you're the opener.

Mall, you're the opener. You know, me open it up for Azealia is, you know how crazy that is? It's on brand. No, it does not make sense. Yes, it does. Have you ever been to a Zilia concert? Yes, I have. And they're great.

Yeah, they're great shows. And I think you hosted me like, is she on tour? Like, is she performing recently? I think she had a show recently. I think she had a show recently. Oh, I need to check her out. No, Zilia's live shows is great. Oh, wow.

She has a record that's doing. She doesn't sacrifice cats or anything. Like, it's a really, I'm telling you, it's a good, it's a good fucking show. No, Zilia is amazing. She's dope. Super, super dope. No, she's dope. There's a new record that's doing well, too.

So do we think, Mall Azealia, that's probably... That's the one? Azealia's family, bro. I don't know why y'all keep... That's my... No, I think that's important that you guys should be family.

Yeah, no, we should be. And we're gonna stay there. It's family. She know I love it. I love Azealia. Who ended it with who? With the guy that was jealous of the lucky date to her.

What was the last text message? I don't, and I... Was it a do you type of text? Well, he was it. I don't know if he was, but I'm just that could be speculating possibly. Who ended it? Yeah.

I did. How did you end it? She was like, yeah, no. You know, they go on to the yeah, no, yeah. Surely you leave you off the yeah? No, I said, no, this ain't it. No, I said, I don't feel desired. I don't feel wanted.

You didn't tell that man. I did. I straightened. You said desired? Yes, I was like, I don't feel. A nigga can't bounce back from not. Exactly. When your girl tell you, she don't feel desired.

You are doing. something wrong and you need to know and your ego needs to be in place. Were you desiring? Like were you doing that to him? I was. I feel like he felt desired. I mean, we would have to ask him,

but I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure I ask him. Can you put us in a group chat? Sure. I'm definitely in that situation towards the end of it, I'm like, do I like this person more than he's into me? That's what it started to feel like. I get you. Oh, absolutely. I've been there. Oh, only like five months.

Oh, those are the best relationship. Oh, yes. That's a perfect relationship. That's like the grace period. You got to give me five months to change you. I thought she was going years. I need five months to desire. No, no, we were just talking.

Yeah, no, nothing. Got you, okay. Five months and you didn't feel desired? No, and also it's like long distance. So that's rough. Okay, okay. That's, yes, okay. Yeah.

That's different. Did he feel a way that Kyle Dion convention? you to cuddle with him in bed during a visualizer? No, I that was after. Okay. That was to get him back?

Oh my God. Yes. We love him. This is all inside. Kyle's lucky. I don't be doing that with just any artist, anybody. He's harmless.

Yeah. Is he? Because I had to tame his ass trying to spoon and shit. We drunk called like you and Joyce one night with Kyle. You did? Me, Rory, Kyle. And we like, remember,

Did I answer? No. I didn't answer. We were drunk. I didn't answer. I don't think. I like her. I decline his calls.

Tends to call too much. Anytime, anytime I get a call from Jasmine at 3 a.m. I know Kyle has her phone. It's not, Jasmine. Oh, really? It's always Kyle on FaceTime. All right. Well, speaking of dating, I was on Twitter earlier.

And a woman said, This is not a safe space. Men. The door is locked. You know, anytime a woman starts with men, instead of the usual W-Y-D... Oh, I hate W-D. These are some questions you can ask.

But what if I really want to know what you're doing, though? Just acknowledge me. Just put a little more effort. Okay. W-D. I hate that. There's one artist who always texts me W-D. I'm just like, I have stopped responding at this point.

I mean, is he a good writer? Obviously not. Is he a good writer? He is a good writer. Are we suggesting maybe he has a ghost writer? He's a rapper. If he can't type of actual text. No, he doesn't have a ghost writer.

I think he's just lazy and he just, it works for some women, so he wants to try that. I love the morning. Did the son kiss you enough this morning? No, let's see. No, no. This is what, because I don't mind when women shit on us as long as they come with a solution. All right, Joe, I don't need poetry. Like, I don't know we will respond to this and if we think it's corny.

Okay. What? So again, I don't mind women telling us we ain't shit. Just come with a solution. So this woman came with a solution, which I appreciated. And I'm going to read off some of the questions she thinks should substitute a, what are you doing text? And I want to talk to her boyfriend. So reply, let's hypothetically say, Ed in this gentleman here, you guys hit it off at the bar.

It's like, oh, let's get in contact. you know, maybe we'll go on a date sometime. And then there's that weird text shit in between. But you don't want them to say what you're doing. This woman says you should start out with, does your life have meaning? Wait, wait. Fuck what you're doing? What's you doing? Like, come on, nobody wants that. W-D. So she's saying

these are the questions that guy should ask. Does your life have meaning? Yeah. Does yours? No, this is better than what you're doing. This is what y'all want. Does your life have meaning? Yeah. if he texted me down the wrong I'm like the last text I ever read

I'm just like the next one is something you regret and I was going to say this entire text does your life have meaning what are we doing what are we talking about

that one didn't work for let's go back down this list that women should tell us how we should be flirting with them I don't agree with all women I don't agree with all women

I definitely I definitely don't agree with this woman I can tell you that now those questions are sick okay so instead of what you're doing I'm going to text you when was the last time

you felt loved I am going to literally jump off a bridge. If you text me Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. So you're not, you're not replying at this point? It's not that. This is corny for me. What's the

favorite physical quality of me that you like the most? No, do not ask me that. So you're suggesting that women are telling us how to flirt, but don't know. I'm not suggesting. That's one girl. Yeah. And W, just WID is lazy.

What are you up to? Hello, how are you? Yeah, what are you up to? How are you feeling today? How are you feeling today? That's fair. I'm mad at that. What is something your childhood shaped you into the person that you are today? I'm done.

We could close that. Yeah. I'm in the bathtub with slip respiris. Who is this? I can't. Some girl on social media. Let me see. Somebody that says 10,000, I'm sorry, 18,000 retweets.

Oh, a lot of people like it. Yeah. This is what y'all want. Absolutely. I don't need that. Please do not. So just how are you doing? How did you day?

Just chill, yeah. Okay. Be engaged. Keep a chill. questions when you're first starting to get to know somebody. Not official 21 questions, but like, do you feel like that? If we're doing that, then those questions makes sense. No, they don't.

No, they don't. I'm not still here. I'm not asking a woman, does her life have meaning? I'm not asking a woman. I would rather ask me that then, oh, what's your favorite color? Who's your favorite R&B artist? Number 36. What triggers you to cry?

Is that in your 21 question bag, DeMaris? Oh, that could be. Yes, it is. You sick fuck? In a 21. I would. I would. To keep, yes, I would like to know that. for future warfare.

What is that card game? We are not strangers. Have you guys played that? I've never played it. Or we're not really strangers. That's a good game. It's similar to this. It asks you deep questions. It's good for if you're dating or making new friends. Yeah, but... I went on a date before a girl.

Making new friends. I'm not ready to get to at the table. That's extra. Of course I played. The first game? I mean, the first night? Oh, no, no, no. No. We know each other. What was your... Oh, that's fine. Well, then why didn't y'all play it when you met? If you knew each other for a while, she stills to play that game with you?

Well, because we were kind of like reconnecting. Okay. Because you were a new person. We hadn't spoken a few years. We're not really, we're like new, we're like new strangers. Well, how would you feel if you just met someone for the first, that's the first date and they bring that game? It screams serial killer to me. It's a bit much for me.

Yeah. But let me pretend. All right above her bed, right? Because I feel like overly deep people are the most surface people on Earth. So leave that game at home. Yeah. I feel like we can put like a little more towards knowing each other. I don't need that the first date.

Okay. Third date? I don't even know. I don't want you. My parents don't know the answer to some of those questions. I don't want you to know. I don't know the answer to those questions. We know.

What's the best date you ever went on? The best date that I've been on. I'm trying to think. Probably the Hollywood Bowl. So far. I like going to the Hollywood Bowl. It was performing. Kelsey Lou, I think,

Salon. Oh, no, actually, I'm sorry. Rewind. It was a James Brown tribute. Okay. Yeah. That sounds fun. That one was great.

Okay. Yeah. Did he know the lyrics? He did. He knew the lyrics. He knew the song. At least the ad lips. You got to know James Brown.

He knew the song. Yeah. It was nice. You just know the energy of James. You don't know. You don't know what James is saying. He invented mummo rap if you think about it. Yeah, absolutely.

Definitely. Damn, what was the question I was just about to ask off that first date one? I'm sharing. And it wasn't worst days. It's good. I'm sharing a lot on here. That was the most amazing date you've been on. Did that fester into something?

Like, was it? How long did that relationship was? No, that one is complicated. Love complication. It's not even turned into a relationship. Oh, those are the best. I think it's, you couldn't even call it. maybe we were dating

it's kind of complicated he was probably the love of your life though is he yeah that's a yes that's the way it be what does it mean what is it that's complicated and he was never jealous when he was on tour that's the one I know that's the one he championed the tour

he was like do that shit I'm hot huh is that his name no in a group chat yeah that's how you're identified as Julian is an arrow yes Oh, how do you know the, okay.

No, no, no, because there's been. Yeah, that's why. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about. Wait, there's been a few Hollywood. Wait, wait, wait, you just, that's just where you be at. It's a great venue. Have you, I'm sure you've been.

Yeah. Why didn't you say it's a nice? Oh, so amazing. Have you taken a young woman on a date? To Hollywood? No. Whatever you want to identify? Uh-uh.

On a date? I've never been on a date to Hollywood. Okay. No. Gosh. What are you? Did you ask? I want to.

I wish I. Did dude ask the third time you went on a Hollywood Bowl date? Did he ask, hey, have you been here before? The third time I went? Yeah. And did you answer truthfully? Yeah, like, you went on like seven dates here. You're not doing anything original.

No, he didn't ask me. No, he didn't ask me. No. Smartman. Yeah. I agree. The first one was the best. The second one was cool.

He was performing. I got too drunk and I was wheelchered out. of the Hollywood Bowl. That's his worst date. And I threw up on him. The alcoholic. My God, you threw up on him? That's like my worst nightmare.

In my friend's car. What were you drinking? I had white wine. I think we had like two bottles of white wine and some nasty ass pizza. Oh. So it's a pizza. It was just not a good mix. But luckily my friend worked at the Hollywood Bowl and she recognized me.

And she put me in a wheelchair before anything else to go down. But that was the same. second date. Okay. So what was the next day via text would do? Like, well, actually, Hey, sorry? I,

that wasn't the first date, but I stayed the night at his home. Oh, he took care of her home and hair back. Gosh, I was going to, all right. Not a first date.

And then we, we ended up dating for like a year. Thank God. He's really sweet. It didn't work out, but I love him to death. You had a chance to make other memories with him. Like,

that could just be the last date. Like, that's his life. No, no. Look at how women were things. That would haunt me. You had chances to make more memories with him.

Yeah. Like when he remembers her, he doesn't remember her as the girl who threw up on the girl. No, he knows me as. So if a guy throws up on you on the first date, like you. That would never even happen to me. Like, I'm not even on that type of time at all. We mean? I'm not. That a guy would throw up on you or you would throw up on that.

I've been lit my whole life. I know drunk people when I see them. I've been lit my whole life is fucking hilarious. I know drunk people when I see them. You're, I've been lit my whole life. Like, I can tell what somebody's about throw up. I know the signs. Yeah, no, I'm good.

Do you write slash make better music? when you're in a relationship or out of one out of one why is that why i know i don't know i don't know because you're afraid and there's an saint you know saint of course saying i think i was in a relationship when i met saying and he was just like you need to get out of that because we need good saying would never say that saint says the worst shit ever but he seems to be right sometimes but yeah i don't know why that is. Well, jokes aside, is that in the back of your mind when you live your personal life?

Like, ah, fuck, I can't really love someone. Could fuck my career up. I've thought about that. Really? Even, yeah, like, I think when I was talking to this one dude, you know what's crazy?

I'll be, there's times where I'm talking to somebody and I think that I'm interested in them, but then I'm hearing the music that I'm making and the music I'm making is me not sure if I should be in this situation. Maul did this really great thing in our last, I don't consider this interview, but we interviewed Sahai two weeks ago. And Maul just started saying names to Saai and I thought that was a really cool segment.

And I thought we could do that with you. Okay. Just a name and then what your reaction is in any explanation. I hope I know these people. Kate Trinada. Oh, I love Kay Trinada. Do you all like Cachanana? Absolutely.

What's your favorite song? I think the Alex Isley remix he did to the Robert Glassper joint. Oh, you got deep, deep. That, I'm, I expect that from Murray. I love, I love Cichanada. I like the joint he did with, uh, do with Mata. They did a, uh. Oh.

Oh, the Craig David joint is probably my favorite Cajonada. I know what I'm talking about. That was dope. Uh, yeah, the Craig David one is probably my favorite. You'd be dropping money bags on Mata. I've just, he's a fan, you know. He's just a fan, you know. I love the music. He has an eclectic taste. I mean, listen. I love the music. What do you want me to do? Like, it's good music.

That's great. Yeah, that's all. Wait, that's it for Kate Trinada? You went on tour with him. No, I'm sorry, yes. I'm going to keep going. But you said you like the Craig David song. I love that one. I love that one. What was tour like with Kay Trinato? tour what we did three shows in new york after midnight it was very difficult for me to stay out yes oh yeah you went to two or one i went to two yes one that cue tip was at and yes and it was the one time i was ever nervous

to talk to somebody you got to talk to him no no i was busy oh oh i wish i got to meet them um but i saw them from the stage um no the shows were amazing i would say The stage was meant for a DJ and not for someone who does choreography and likes to move around. So it was interesting for me to just kind of have to run back and forth and like try to please everybody. I was nervous about falling off stage for sure. But I did. I did great. And I'm proud of myself.

I got a bit like I celebrated and I got pretty drunk the last night. You got lit? I did. I thought you got lit on the first night, but what do I know? It was 6 a.m. I left. Oh, my gosh. So, yeah, it was fun. I love Kate Trinada, and I'm happy that we were able to do more songs on this new EP motive.

Okay. Let's go easy. Erica Badu. Oh, Erica Badu. Don't give cliché. She is. I know. She's the queen.

We know. No, I want to say she is an anomaly. because I don't know, I'm even thinking about artists these days. And I guess, yeah, I'm going to say what everyone else says, but just so iconic, like, just so unique. And I even was, I don't know why I went down like this outcast rabbit hole one day. And just her and Andre 3000 and their history and like how, I guess a lot of the dues that she's with, they change every time they're with her or whatever. But basically, yeah, I don't know. I just feel like she's someone that, I don't know, we'll never have another artist like that.

I agree. Her. Her. I got to open for her lights on fest. That was my first festival that I ever did. And unfortunately, that was the festival where I got so excited. The first song, I was like running out of breath. and I had to end up like dancing the entire set

because I couldn't continue singing. It was so embarrassing. That's funny. Nah, but that's dope that when shit hits the fan, you had to audible on stage. Like, that's a talent. Yeah. That's a real talent that people don't.

But I just learned. I'm like, okay, you got to pace yourself. You got to come in cool. And then, you know, give a little bit. So after that, I did like a boot camp. And I was like exercising like crazy, working with this vocal coach Stevie Mackey. So shout out to her for giving me that opportunity to realize that I need to be a better performer.

D. Miles. I don't know what y'all refer to him as. D. Mile. Yeah. D. Mile. Shout out to D. Mile. I like, owe my life to him because I feel like he changed my life with my debut album Overgrown. He executive produced it and took a chance on me. independent artist who is bawling on a budget so it was really cool I know his back end was crazy

I know he took a lot of that master fuck it with you just keep going my bad jazz my bad my bad it was really like a blessing he said let's work I said no it was a blessing to get in with

him before he started working with Silk Sonic and all these big people because now it's like, I could barely get in the studio. Because he's such a low-key dude, he right now to me is, is cardiac, I think, gets his just-do as he should because of stuff he's done with her. But Dema right now to me is my favorite producer in Arby. Like by far, his name needs to be out there more. He's a good dude as well. Like, Demi, he's fire.

Yeah. So I want him to get his flowers. I'm not saying he took too much of your masters. I'm joking. No, it's fine. I'm, you know, it is what it is. I'm fair. Like, yeah, like, no.

That's important. Yeah, it is. You just had to be fair. Like, I'm going to win regardless. The money will come. So it's all good. I can't be, you know, I can't be. Make sure you get the accounting, though.

That's how you want the money to come. Thank you, Maul. Thank you. See the numbers. Not a sheet of numbers. Jasmine Sullivan, since we brought her up. Oh my God, my favorite. One of my favorite vocalists right now.

Amazing. Amazing. Yeah. I've been a fan of hers for a long time. I think it's very inspiring to see someone like her finally get the recognition that she's, that she deserves. Knowing that she started off when she was like a teen, maybe even before, I don't know, I think 16, maybe even younger. younger, label-wise, but then to be in her mid-30s, winning her first Grammy and just winning, like, yeah, I'm inspired by her and she's someone I look up to.

Coila Ray. Coila Ray, I need to learn how to twerk like her. She? I respect that. I'm sorry. I mean, I love her overall, like, I love her, but I just keep seeing these incredible videos of her dancing. She's confident.

Despite how tiny she is. tiny she is makes me feel like I have no excuse. Yeah. Get out there and twerk. Yes. Favorite female rapper right now. Favorite female rapper, Dochi. Okay. Yeah, she's dope.

I fucking love Dochy. She's dope. She has, I think, an event tonight, which we're not at. But I love her. In New York? I think so, yeah. My friend is work. I think my friend's working.

It's Live Nation, I think. But I love Dochy. Can I get in with Lulu's on? Lulu's. Loooo's. That's. You're home. Right, right.

You know, but now, if I go change, I'm going to go to sleep. I got to leave the house. You don't want to go out the house. You don't want to go out. It's either we out now or I'm not going. Okay. That's the type of thing. West Side Gun, Griselda as a whole.

Oh, I love. West Side Gun is one of the most respectful and most kind artists that I've worked with. Like, as a rapper, I have so much, like, terrible experiences. But he was super kind. And we worked, we've done like three songs together. And he's always down and shows so much love and support. How did that end up on, because I was on, not Anderson's album.

It was on Free Nationals. Free Nationals. That, I remember the main producer of Free Nationals. He reached out to me years ago, basically to sing this. hook for them. And I never, years after, I never knew what was going to happen with it, which is common in music. And then he's, he was like, hey, we finally are putting an album out.

This is the song that you were on. And when I listened to it initially, I thought it was like ghost face killing action Bronson or something. He sounds like both. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, cool. Yeah. You know, I love these two artists.

Yeah. I'm so excited to be on a. record with them. Yeah. And then he corrected me real quick and said it was West Side Gun and Conway's on that. Conway, yes. And then I thought that was even more dope because new artists, new rappers that I could get to know. I know you don't, you have to stay neutral, but you fuck with Griselda and you fuck with Freddie Gibbs. She said, oh shit. Yeah, I'm like, fuck. And I feel like you're the only common denominator besides Maul and I when it comes to those two camps. So where do we stand in the beef between the two?

I'm very sad to hear and see that beef. No, we were too. We spoke to a Benny about it and Freddie personally. Oh, you did? What did they say? It's just all a bunch of, you know, just rapper shit, man. It's for TikTok. It's just, I, you know.

It's sad to see it, but, you know, hopefully it'll get resolved. I mean, I spoke to Freddie about it. And, you know, it's just, it's unfortunate. Because I really, I really fuck with both of those guys. Right. And they were really, what I thought were really cool and close at one point, they were on tour together. Yeah, I think Benny opened for Freddie, right? Yeah.

So to see where it's at now is just like, it's unfortunate. It is unfortunate. But I love them all. I can't, I'm not going to pick. I could do that. Stay neutral. Stay neutral. I think it's okay for.

How did I meet Roy through Jasmine? And then I, what party were, we were at like a RCA. Tunji Probably I think yeah Freddy was there Freddy and Lambo were there I don't remember

what event it was but I officially met you there and years ago Yeah and again he was quiet as hell kind of standoffish I didn't know

He wanted to be anywhere else Yeah looking like he didn't want to be there Resting bitch face Yeah I'm like This is no fun No it wasn't No I'm sorry

RCA The party, I enjoyed the party, though, but... I don't even remember what you're talking about. This is in L.A. or New York? In L.A., I believe. Or was that New York? No, I think it was... Jazz, you're supposed to be the historian?

Was it L.A. or New York? When I met... Yeah. It was at an RCA party. Eddie had left his friend outside. That was in the RCA. That was the Gola. Oh, well, there we go.

What the... Oh, there we go. There we go. this is why I have her here Rory was hosting I'm not an industry I just want to make that clear but you were there

clearly you are yeah he and I'm like yeah he did not look like he wanted to be there but I know because I'm like you're there for a reason clearly you're there yeah

he walks in the part's like oh this is so much fine oh my god nobody's talking to me I love it I don't even do that shit when I go somewhere I want to go I just look like I don't want to be there I can't control my face I don't know my That face just does that. You can control your face. No, I can control my body.

If I didn't want to be there, I would have left. So I wanted to be there. I just don't look like I want to be there. That's all. Yeah, you did. Oh, see, never mind. See? He didn't want to be there.

Ha, ha, ha. Didn't want to be there for work or something. Well, I mean, yeah. Yeah, L.A. is different. But ever since then, Roy has been really, really supportive. He showed love for my song. That was so cute. That was so cute.

That was so cute. No, it's a word. I'm trying not to do the rest of it. But it was a word for that. We can't use it anymore. That was so adorable. Edithy, I didn't say anything. Dating?

It was bad. I like genuine. That was so dainty. That was cute. That was, I've always smoked way of music. That's like, when your man's how you look good. You're like, oh, me, I know.

Little old me. Oh. I love being a little spoon. You do. No Kyle Dion. That's Kyle Dion. You love being a little spoon. Anyways, last question.

Where do you find fulfillment outside of work and family? Man. I like to eat. I like to go out and eat. So survival. What woman does it? I've been really, I love Nigerian food recently, so a lot of pepper soup. You can get that in LA?

Yeah, there's a really, I'm going to. What's the name? The Peppered Go. What's his name? The one that put you on. That put me on to the restaurant. Her name. My dancer, FMA.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Told you. You said it. But. I'm trying to back you up. I don't know. But there is,

my friend fam wants to take, I guess, take the, um, the, what do you call it? Sometimes, yeah,

thanks. My English should be off sometimes. You were just certain words, don't fuck you up. Joyce always, over here struggling with sir she like oh what is it go take the credit for like putting me onto all the Nigerian spots

but FMA my dancer put me onto the spot it's called the pepper goat they just opened up it's delivery and take out but they're going to do sit down in downtown but it's really bomb Nigerian food and I've been going

there so y'all have to go there show them love but I love to eat yeah going out to eat I guess a lot of us women like to do that women love to eat so you've been saying i heard a couple of drunk stories in this conversation things you got had with the guys so you begin lit i used to we all used to and also i feel like you know you have to eat before you decide yeah yeah yes that's how we should go and and during and during but during those times i was not very responsible instead of making a bad decision

i was very responsible i was irresponsible and that's how those situations played out. But now I don't even really drink much. Even when we were here at your house. That is true. I didn't get to be a part of fun. Well, you had a show coming up so I thought that's why you were being bashful. Yes. Yeah, I'm just protecting

my voice. I understand. My money maker. From the alcohol. Yeah, it dehydrates you. Yeah. So. You got to take a shot of water for every shot of tequila you take. Don't listen to it. I mean, we can cut some of this. Does that not make Chris Brown the fucking goat? All he does is drink and do coke and has the greatest voice of all I know, but is that...

He's smoking weed every second of every day. That is true. And his voice is angel-like. Certain people... Certain people thrive. Is he not the greatest human being? Eddn. But I'm like, is that his live real vocals?

I mean, he has an effect on it, I'm sure. There's definitely an effect. But I think Chris's vocals... Overall, he's... I mean, Usher and that tiny dust, that was crazy. Insane. That was insane. But I don't think Usher does the amount of Coke

And smokes the amount of weed and cigarettes that Chris Brown does. Bruno Mars. Bruno Mars is the plug, Bruno Mars is the plug. Yeah, he has the whole brick in the dressing room. I'm waiting for the Anderson follow up ran off on the plug. Oh, my goodness. I don't know how people do it.

I wish I could do that. Like I sometimes I'm like I've tried to cope twice in my life And I hated it both times I'm good I yeah I'm good I don't understand how people function off the shit I like the shrooms and

The shrooms Oh what was your last shroom trip Not the micro dose Like the last I Like you took a little too many Of the chocolate things I haven't really Went that far deep in yet

Okay I think you should I want to I need to find the time Well, are you going to tour this project right away? I would like to. I would, ideally I want to open for a big ass artist and support. I mean, you've done that.

A big ass artist. A big ass artist. Kate Chanata, I think is there. Yes. Her I think is there. Yes. Yes. I feel like, you know, maybe a doja cat or maybe like, you know, someone to that

caliber, I think could be fun. And this is a you and jazz question. And there's no real answer. At what point do you stop doing the opening act thing no matter who the artist is and just say, fuck it, I'm going to the city to get my tickets. I feel you. I mean, I would love to do, I think for now, like headline certain major cities, New York, L.A., bigger cities that I feel like I did well on tour with Lucky. but overall I think I still need exposure. I feel that.

I've noticed other cities we just don't do as well as I would like to. We're in the worst ticket sale market as well. That's fucking time. That is true. Yeah. So I wouldn't compare that. That's the market right now. Yeah, that is true.

Thank you. So, I mean, I guess the support act right now probably is helpful. So you're telling me just go headline? Yeah. Oh, thank you. I'm saying go. Look it. No.

Yeah, we have. Trust me. I'm aware. But when you can do major markets, hit babies all right real quick. No, you're missing my point. I'm not saying, of course you can do more than babies are right. But to feed a core fan base and just keep them to want to buy the next one. Yeah, let's go hit.

Let's do two weeks before. Baby's all right. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. You got to do. You're right. You're right.

I'm just doing shit make the shit free you're right go in the red for a time that's true all the time all the time we go on the red one more fucking Jess Jess it's not just my hair color I live in the red shut the fuck up

oh yeah but I feel you on like leaving room for excitement and curiosity by doing smaller shows where people can be I mean I did the Echo last year.

I remember. And that was like 300 capacity. So that was good. We sold that out. Which is fire, by the way. Yes. 300 tickets solo is amazing.

Oh, thank you. Jazz want to do Barclays now. We do. That would be nice. I got to see Joyce live. I've never seen you live. I know.

I've never seen you live. Just some people are aged today and maybe doing Bari or music home with Visiting. Both really good venues. Good venues. Those too.

And then the El We're in L.A. Oh, yeah, so then we'll do those. So will you all come to the New York show or the L.A. show? You know, we didn't call them heaven. Either or. We're called in heaven. If I'm in New York and you're here, I'm going to come out for L.A.

Either or. I got to see you live. I got to see what this is. You need to. She'll be with the choreography. She'd be kicking the heels off. Oh, okay. Like, she'd be dancing, dancing.

Fantasia. Okay. Yeah, I got to see that. Is joy is, is, are you happy? Very happy. You are. Genuinely, very happy. And, yeah, I'm at, I feel like I'm the happiest I've ever been.

Wow. Yes. I'm happy for you. That made me happy. Oh. I'm happy too. Come on. I love you, Joyce.

We're so happy. You're happy. Are you happy? Me? I'm depressed. Oh, no. Every day I think, no, I'm happy. I'm good.

Genuinely happy. You're genuinely happy. Yes. I'm genuinely happy. You're looking dead. in my eyes too he's happy what about you Rory I know you're very happy I exist

you don't I know you're very happy I am happy I'm very much happy I'm happy Damaris what about you her whole world's on fire that's why she got the red hair now the red hair the rise of the Phoenix you know you gotta come from the ashes and raise

to be born again did you just I'm happy to see you call her hair a metaphor you know that's how you can tell a woman are going through they start dying in here it's like well he did What you're going through? What's up? See? There you go.

Damaris, did he compliment your hair or just say, hey, I see you changed your hair? There is no he. Okay. All right. This has been another episode. Jesus Christ. Demaris just came here.

I'm single. That's why I'm single. I'm going out and we're going out. No, you're going out just because you like to go out. That don't mean you're single. No, he's going to be our wing man. Okay. Is the sprinter that y'all brought the first time outside?

Who's driving? Well, thank you guys for having me on your show. Thank you for stopping by. This was very fun. This was fun. It wasn't too painful, right? No, that's why I'm like. Yeah, no, no, no.

What do you think it was going to be? I don't know, because I watched some of the episodes and I'm like. Well, it's different. You have a personal attachment, personal relationship here. With Rory? Yeah. Oh, so. I didn't like the tone.

You didn't like the tone? With Rory? No, no, no, no, no, no. Like, who do I know? Who do I know here? Yeah. I was just trying to understand what you meant by that. Yeah, so it's different.

Thank you guys. Yeah. Thank you. And we'll make this a recurring thing. Jazz has to get on the microphone next time. Yes, Jazz needs to be on. Yes, Jazz. What did I say when we were texting?

But Jazz is worried that the men on the show will eat her up. So what? Girl, they do that to me. Them niggas, they got long toenails and shit. Those the niggas don't matter. That's all you got to do is. Niggas start talking shit. Like, you only clip his tone.

I don't worry about that, nigga. I can't hold back the things I want to say. That's all right. That makes it great. That means you're going to be great. Internet. They get bold behind the screen. See, you're not a talent.

See, it's over there. Yeah. It's okay. It's all good. All right. All right. All right. All right.

I'll take a shot. I'm going to take a sip. I don't drink. You don't drink? No, I don't. Okay, I will take a shot for this podcast. That's crazy. You did.

You did drink last time. Cheers to Motive. Cheers to Motive. to Motive. Cheers to Motiv. You're going to listen to Motive after this? Absolutely. I'm out, I'll download it right now.

No, Rory and Mao. Hey, you United Kingdomonians. You blokes and blokettes. This is Rory. And Mall. And we are coming to London's Earth Theater, November 5th, Rory. First time across the pond for me. I'm excited.

Yes, I'm excited to, not first time across the pond. First time going across the pond and people were actually waiting to see me. Yes, first time with the work visa. Yes. We will be at the Earth Theater, November. November 5th in London, looking forward to it. Hope to see you all soon. Get your tickets now. If not, it's going to be a fucking piss fest when we get there.

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