New Rory & MAL - Episode 122 | MAL & The Pretty B*tches Unite!

Episode Date: November 29, 2022

We’re home!....well kind of. Eddin is out sick so we recorded this episode from WTF Studios (the house we built). The guys cover their Thanksgiving and reflect on moments with family, while Julian was “alone”. Somehow this leads to a JUICE pyramid scheme conversation. We then pay respect to the legend Hovain. Rick Ross and Meek Mill unite in Philly, which leads to a discussion about Meek’s career. Speaking of careers Chris Brown was canceled by the AMA’s which spirals into an intense debate about censorship in our culture. Currently, Balenciaga is also on the chopping block (rightfully so). Sidenote: record labels fudge numbers (boom conspiracy solved). Listen in as the guys discuss all of this and more + Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Said he was a boss, but he's talking like a groupie. I knew he wasn't ready for this pretty bitch cooch. Ooh, she's talking bad on that. That's your shit, Mom? I'm about to download this mother. Only 2,000 people downloaded this shit. No, worry. I'm gonna put this pussy in his mouth.

I'm gonna put this pussy in his mouth. Don't shoot. Tell nobody we fucking. Shut your mouth, nigger, don't say nothing. Why, niggas always speaking on who I'm fucking on? You must have got excited when I FaceTime with nothing on. The same lips have shapp and be the same ones I netted on a hundred-name. Ah, the familiar acoustics in here.

Yeah, I'm just trying to test the, uh, test the reverb in the room. We are, we are back at the house that we built. The house. Oh, yes. Shows out to Weezy and Alex, but this is the house that Rory and Moore built. Oh, we built this thing. Look at this thing. Huh?

Smells good. Feels good in here. Yes. Edin, our esteemed cameraman, an audio expert. Called the bird flu or some shit. I don't know. Yeah. But we couldn't record.

Yeah. So we came to WTF at this point. I don't fucking know. Media. The place that everyone goes to. This is the place that I mean. when comes to this is the this is the podcast home right here yeah built off i sweat blood and tears i do feel like you know like the way they put the the jordan statue in front of whatever chicago's

arena is she definitely put you and i and it's two chairs sitting outside in the bay ruth in front of yanky stadium just just mall and i are just an upside down fitage to just be on the handle every door in here people touch it before they go to the studio absolutely it's like the tree of de paolo you got to rub the hat yeah um i'm fucking rory media over you guys feel like you're like the seniors once you graduate and you're in college you're returning to the old stomping ground to creep on the high school girls with a beard and a fit in like oh this room looks so small compared to yes it's been six months the room looks so tiny uh yeah so ice finally caught up with edin they knocked on his door and told him listen we will have no more this shit of you running around

new york city yes uh so they and the country for that matter yeah so they had them they got him at the border in the cages that biden built we made the mistake of bringing him to texas worst place he could The worst place he could have ever been to. But yeah, we hope adding, hope you feel good. Hope you feel better. You'll be edited in this episode. Don't think that because you're sick that you won't be working. Edna is so Mexican, they called him at customs flying domestic.

From Texas to New York, they called him in customs. Oh, man. Ed and it feel better soon. We are back off the road. Texas, thank you once again. Had a lot of fun in Dallas and Houston. We will be in Seattle next weekend. Yes.

at the Neptune Theater. The house that Fraser built. The house that King Griffey Jr. built. He built that whole entire city. He built that whole entire city. King Griffey Jr. built the entire Seattle on his back. He needs to get a check from every business in Seattle. Neptune Theater Friday, December 9th.

We are in the building in Seattle. We will be in L.A. at the Regent Theater Wednesday, December 14th. And we finish out this run, Rory. It's been a hell of a run. Great run. A lot of fun. We finished this run in Boston at the Wilba, December 18th. I feel like it's been a while since I've seen you guys.

It's been six and a half days. We took a little break. That's a while to see you guys. Absolutely. Fucking senior faces every. I cannot wait. You guys, do you know how men I cannot wait for this tour to be over? Don't get me started.

Been sleeping thigh to thigh with you guys on a car for fucking. I cannot. God knows how long. Wait for this fucking tour to be over. It's been a lot of fun though. All of our merch is on sale. Salute to Cyber Monday. Salute to Cyber Monday.

Who is it? Who is it? Because I don't know. Cyber Monday, I think you find better deals than Black Friday. I don't know why that is. You don't know if you're home. Yeah. Yeah, but I feel like... You know what to pay tolls.

Yeah, but I feel like you find better deals online, like, instead of going to the store, I think Cyber Monday is better than Black Friday. To me, do people still do Black Friday? Is that a thing? Yeah. Some people was out. Is there still like riots in front of Best Buy? I would hope not.

I didn't see any online, so I don't know. There was a fake, you know, comedians do fake skits to get public attention. there was like two guys wrestling over a flat screen TV and a Best Buy and they slammed it on the ground. It was clearly staged. But that's the only video I saw. Yeah, I don't think people, because like I said, you can order shit online now for cheaper. I mean, I think Cyber Monday just kind of eased all that Black Friday attention. I don't want to sound insensitive, but TVs have gotten like really cheap.

Yeah. You don't need to go at 4 a.m. And beat the shit out of somebody going. Because you're going in there on Black Friday when it's cheaper and then it already was and it was cheap as is. Yeah. And you're fighting over that. Something tells me you don't need a TV. You should focus on other areas in life.

But that's just me. All of our merch is 25% off at new Rorynmall.com through the end of the week. We'll be having all of this collection one. What's the N stand for in that link? New Rory in mall? Yeah. Because you didn't want to put and mall. Oh, okay.

Never mind. So new Rory. I wasn't sure. It's cyber week. No, no. Hold on. Hold on. What you thought the end still before the black man's name?

I was just curious. I didn't create the link. So I just want to make sure. You can say it. I just didn't want to be outraged. Whatever Rory says, just bleep it. So it sounds like. Yeah, exactly.

All of our merch is 20 props in off. Yo, y'all is stupid. Yeah, so we're going to finish with this merch and get this merch out the way. And then the new drop is coming. And I'm excited for that one because it's a lot of dope. Well, no, the new drop's not coming. Buy the old stuff. Oh, no.

Well, buy the old stuff first. The new drop is coming at some point. And that voice you hear, a person we really haven't seen in quite some time. Back to work, but she still smells like a vacation. Tan lines busing. Her tan lines bustin. Her skin tanning her hair long. Yeah, you smell like a vacation.

You went 40 back. You still got the banana boat on your ass. You didn't rinse it off. Yeah. Kellyn was lathering up the beach bump. What is it? Banana boat beach bum. That's the tanning oil?

No. Don't get all coy now. Yeah, you see her? You just had a, don't act like you've talked to do a microphone before. Y'all were outside. Y'all were on tour, so I took a little detour in Mexico. That no counts as us being outside.

That's, yeah. We weren't outside. Enjoying your body. Edd was outside. No, Edin was outside because he can't be anywhere. So he was technically outside. Eddins, like, I wonder how I got sick.

He did every single night in Houston until 4 a.m. Yeah. How did I get sick? You mean, you're shaking ass in a fucking club that looks like an open lot. That's Sunday night he was out again. He's crazy. He went back out. The night we hung out with...

They booked him. The night we hung out with Greer. He was out. Fucking hilarious. I gave him. He gave me the cameras back. And he was like, oh, yeah. I was about to go to sleep.

I was like, oh, I'm about to knock because I got my flight. And he was like, oh yeah, she's got book for this gig. It starts at 11 p.m. The nastiest flyer we've ever seen. He got work. He got work out there. It was, I don't even want to describe what that flyer was. We had a great time, though.

Houston was a lot of fun. Dallas was cool, even though we were only there for a day in like eight hours maybe. But it was cool. We had a good time. Yeah, Mom, my sisters said they want you. Excuse me? My sisters, you met them at the Houston show. They said both of them want me?

Mm-hmm. I think I've typed that in on Pornhub. Like they want me at the same time But they're like stepsisters So like it doesn't count or something No They don't want you at this time I'll never tell mom

So wait I met your real sister Was she with your other sister? I was about to say I only met one sister Because she was with another girl I didn't know that was your sister as well This is basically like my little sister Oh like there Oh so see then

Then it's okay Because it's not blood It wouldn't be really So it's just like that the porn I've watched Or like all the couples in Dallas Because they're all related I think he's about say Hollywood I mean that too

Yeah So your sister said they want me Yeah. Your sister was, she was cute though. What's her name? The one that took a picture with. You took a picture with both of them. Did I?

But the one that looks like you. The one that looked like me. The one that looked like me. The one that looked like me. Yes. Thailand? Okay. Yeah.

She was cool. She was like, I'm baby D. Sister. I was like, no, you not. She's like, yes I am. How do you look at her and say no you not? Yeah. I knew it was when she said.

She looked. Y'all looked just alike. I said, no, that's baby D sister. And with the same red hair and everything. I told her to walk around and tell fans she was me. do look alike. It was a family affair in Houston. I didn't get to see her ass.

She had a fatty? Yes. Oh, shit. See, I didn't even see the fatty. You should have known genetically. You know, we were shaking babies and, you know. You mean shaking hands and kissing babies? No, we've been shaking babies and kiss the hands.

Yeah, we shake babies and kiss hands. So, no, legitimately was shaking a baby in the hotel lobby with tears in my eyes. A lady just handed glory a baby. I wish I wasn't passed out for that. Wait, so what again? One of three people in my life that I found out passed within seven days. I was in the midst of finding out in a hotel lobby, which we talked about the last episode, right? Yeah, in Dallas.

Yeah. No, it was in Houston. Oh, Houston, sorry. And a woman who did not know the pod didn't know anything just handed me her child and took a picture. Yeah. For Facebook. While you were crying. I had tears in my eyes.

Yeah. So it looks like Roy was crying. Like, he just had a child. But she, like, didn't even give the baby head support. Like, I had to, it was a top, like, the neck was fucked up and shit. It was boneless. just sat it up like babies could sit up it was fucking weird.

You know that. Yeah. Flubber. Babies are like warm gummy beers. They're like popcorn chicken. They're like warm gummy bears. It's like they spill out of your hand if you don't hold them right.

It's like, the boneless wings at Applebee's. Oh my God. Dipped it in barbecue. Can we find the picture? I mean, I know it was a dark time of your life. Oh no. No, Eddn took video footage, but because Edin is so fucking narcissistic on the low

and like all his content is for his page, similar to Julian too. I think everyone around us all the best content is for their Instagrams and like, they're like at us. Like, oh yeah, those guys. The guys that run our socials take all the good stuff, put it on their page and then like at new Rory and Mall. Yeah. No, I see what you guys are doing. So Edens, instead of getting that footage, got like his reaction, like of him laughing instead of getting it.

Rory sent me the video. Eddn took a selfie video of himself reacting to Rory and the baby, but it's just Eddn's face in the frame. It's just Eddn. And then you just like see me pass the baby off. Like it probably wasn't the funny. biggest video that ever could have been, but instead you see fucking Edin's face this close with his beard not connecting and it's nasty. Pores just, yeah, looking like just, Benin just oozing out of his fucking pores.

Just nasty. Yeah, fucking disgusting, Eddie. And wipe the sazone off the fucking screen. Wipe your face, Edd. I'm sorry, they're getting mad at us for our Spanish jokes. Happy Thanksgiving, if y'all still celebrate that. Happy holiday. We went out together since last Monday, so we didn't see each other over the holiday.

How did everyone celebrate? Listen, I stayed... Squash? I don't know. I hate squash? Fuck you, man. No, I had some good... I had like a Spanish meal.

A vegan Spanish meal. Vegan, okay. Yeah, it was really good. So you weren't with family. You were with one of the non-means? No, no, I had my own meal. Did she have her kids with her that weekend? They were with pop, so she cooked for you?

No, no, no. I had my own meal and I had to, like, take it to family's house and just, like, leave it in the corner. Like, that's mine. Everybody knew. Oh, yeah, that's... We're not touching that. Were you in the South or were you? I was in New York.

Okay. Atlanta? No, I was home. I was in New York. All right. I was in New York. But I don't, I don't, I don't feel like, I feel like we canceled Thanksgiving. I feel like we got past that.

And that's this whole Thanksgiving thing. No, that's the funniest thing about cancel culture in general. All the people that cancel stuff on Twitter all fucking day, every day, everything is an outrage. Everything is a problem. We're posting their Thanksgiving plates on the timeline. Yeah. That's so I didn't know. It's very funny.

It's a buffet. if you will, of cancellation. But it's funny because I feel like it was having Thanksgiving all over my outrage timeline. Yeah, but I feel like they just moved it the day before and called it Friendsgiving. It's like... No, but that's exactly what the Pilgrims called it too. They're supposed to be friends.

Friendsgiving is actually more offensive to me. If you really get down to, Friendsgiving is more offensive. Are you shaking with outrage right now? Yes, all the time. Nonstop. But Thanksgiving is just more about getting family together. That's what everybody said on the time. I said, I thought y'all canceled. They said no one meets at the table and thanks the pilgrim.

But you know what it is? Nobody eats at the table no more. Like, when is the last time? When do, how often do families actually sit at the dinner table and have dinner? A Thanksgiving. Probably the only day. That's what I'm saying. That's kind of weird.

But even then, so much of Thanksgiving is if you have a lot of people there, it's grab a plate and find a place. It's not like one big table unless you're Frank Lucas. Thanksgiving turned into a day for people to just get memes off and pictures of plates and like they know old R&B. Where are you hosted? How was your Thanksgiving? I barely hosted at that point.

It was too much death going around. So it was like, yeah, there's food here if anyone wants to stop by in the midst of all this. It was a weird film. I didn't really host per se. My entire week got fucked up and moved around. So Thanksgiving wasn't anything more than, hey, there's leftovers. By leftovers, the actual meal that just was not eaten over here. So that's really what it was.

But is the night before Thanksgiving not a thing? And I promise Reddit, this isn't me saying I'm getting too old or anything. I just feel like it's not a day anymore. Did times just change? The night before Thanksgiving used to be the thing. It's Friendsgiving. We used to go out every single room. That's a hard.

The Wednesday before Thanksgiving was one of the most lit nights of the year. Yeah. I think the young people are still doing it. I just think we're getting older and starting to cook. So like we're like preparing ourselves for the next. You know what it is ultimately? We just like being the fuck alone. I think when you get older and you like you got the job, pay bills,

You like, you listen, man, it's cool to hang out, but I'm not running in the club the night before Thanksgiving. I'm not doing that. I'm not going. That's like when people go to the strip club. When people go to the strip club like Christmas Eve. Oh, that's excessive. I'm like, bro, where's the kids? That just sounds like that's excessive.

That's excessive. Who's with the kids, dog? Like, where's the kids? No, because the strip club used to be fun before the night before Thanksgiving because, you know, sometimes you have either cousins or family that left and moved away or just never lived in your area. and came for the weekend. So it's like, yeah, come, let's all go hang out. Why don't we make that a monthly thing? You'll get the younger uncle that will come with you.

And yeah, that's usually fun. Before Christmas Eve is sick. If you're in a strip club before Christmas Eve. I think we need to make that a monthly thing. I think every once a month, we need to have a day, a weekend where we just get together and have dinner. Okay. Yeah, once a month.

Why not? And then that, no? Just how humans, and it's funny you bring that up, with all the death that happened this week. I thought that too. I started thinking about the same things that people always think about when death happens. Damn, the calls I missed, Texas I missed that I could have just done. I could have spent more time. I should have talked to these people more. Like, oh, fuck. I'm so into myself. I'm only focused on work. Typical shit when people die. I feel like we would start to resent that the same we resent holidays sometimes. Like, fuck. All right. Again this month, I have to do

dinner with y'all. It's human nature. I think for the first two months, it would be amazing. Then by the fourth month, it'd feel like another chore. Like, we'll skip it. Like, you're going to skip it this month. Then you look up next month. We're going to skip it this month. I get what you're saying. I just think that, you know, people just get older and, you know, they don't want to do the hosting thing. People don't want to be around people as much as they used to. Everybody has their own lives, doing their own thing. And you kind of feel that on the holidays now, especially if you don't have kids. Yeah. Like, if you don't have kids, I think if you're a single and you don't have kids,

I think you feel it more on the holidays. Like, damn, like, I really. I really, really just don't really be around people like that unless I'm in a club. Yeah. Like, not really in the house type shit. Well, that's probably what the club is for. It serves its purpose. The night. Maybe Christmas Eve, I take it back. That's a sick night. That's a very sick night to be in the club. That's a nasty night. That's the best night. No, nasty. The night before Thanksgiving makes way more sense. I'm not mad at that. Christmas Eve, who's with the kids, fam? Yeah. Y'all just put them to sleep and was like, we out? Like, nah, that's dangerous. But come on, mall, you know the night before Thanksgiving. You went away to

college and then you came home for Thanksgiving break. You know. Come on, you know. Yeah, I went away to college. I wasn't enrolled there, but I spent a lot of time on campus. Yeah. Spent a lot of time on campus.

You went to Del State. Yeah, never enrolled. Yeah, never enrolled. But happy holidays to everybody that celebrated and had a good time with their families. Julian, I don't know how much we can get into it, but Julian, your mom was really hoping we're pushing. No, no, no, no, right.

We can carry on. I'm trying to avoid that next topic. You've existed during Thanksgiving, so tell us what happened. Wait, what? Okay, sure. Existed. We did exist. We landed from Houston on Tuesday, and I got a text from my mom.

I was going to go home Wednesday, and she said she had COVID. Oh, what a dream text. What a dream text. Thanks, Mom. You're a hero. I caught COVID on Christmas Eve last year. I was so excited. Well, unlike you guys.

I texted the whole family. Hey, can't do it this year. I wanted to go home. I really wanted to go home. because I don't see my parents often. I can understand. My parents are older. I'm joking.

And with everything that's happening, yeah, I really want to spend time my parents. So my mom's sick and I FaceTime her and she just sounded terrible. And then two days later, my dad got COVID too. How are they doing, by the way? Jokes aside. They're cool. Well, it's funny you say like talk to family more. I'm really bad with constant communication.

So I've been working on that more. And I've been FaceTiming with them like seeing their faces, even though they're, you know, in the bed, like lights out. But it's just like it makes me feel better because I wasn't there. They're together in the bed? Well, my dad's upstairs. My mom's downstairs because they were separated while my dad wasn't sick. And then my dad got us.

So now they're still in separate beds, but they're eating together now. I don't know. My mom's almost done. My dad's like halfway through it. Gosh, you. Does anybody? Well, I was more so asking non-COVID. Like, you FaceTime when they're in the bed together?

I don't see. Do you feel like they like hang up and fuck? No, probably not. Like they rush you off the phone? Probably not. No, I'm going to go ahead and say no. They probably don't. They probably just sit there and watch TV until they go to sleep.

You know, that's how you got here, right? After Thanksgiving? I'm a direct, I'm a direct descendant. I'm a product of... Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day. I'm born almost nine months of the day from Valentine's Day. Oh, that's corny.

November 13th. Valentine's Day is February, what, 14th? Yes. So, yeah. So right around that time, Pop's was getting busy. My dad, yeah. My dad, yeah. I get it from him.

So your actual Thanksgiving? My actual Thanksgiving. It was great. I spent it here. How you know how your dad give it up? My dad. The walls were thin? No, no.

Like, it's stories. We're grown men. Tells her shit. Okay. About your mom? No, not about my mom. Like my dad when he was, your pops telling you stories about your mom is crazy.

My dad told my mom has some fire. What? Oh, no. See, not. See, not. That's a conversation about it. Okay. Go ahead, Dee.

How was that conversation? No. Let's not what your Thanksgiving. But no, he said my mom has some fire. like with like a beholden look in his eye like he stared off into space he's like oh like you got it too no he just was like yeah she got some fire and my old younger sister said yeah must run in the family and then we ended the conversation immediately we ended the conversation by the way i've seen this porno too yeah yeah definitely see this corner absolutely oh so your dad and your mom have COVID yes

all right so when is the last time anybody had just a cold I have one right now did you go to the doctor No. I'm pretty sure he would tell you you have COVID. The flu is running rampant in New York right now. A lot of my friends were stuck in New York as well because of COVID. So, listen, when this whole COVID thing happened and I was talking about the way I was, people curse me out. You're fucking insensitive. People are dying. I think they might demonetize this video if you say anything bad about COVID. No, I'm just saying, listen, but now that we know what we know, right, years later.

We know that it was a tragedy. We know that a lot of things were untrue. we know that a lot of people got on TV and was just freestyle and they didn't know what the fuck was going on so everybody's getting sick it is flu season and November December around the winter fall winter people get sick and I'm hearing everybody has COVID COVID COVID I have not remember the last time

somebody said I have a cold or I have the flu just I just don't know when the last time anybody has said that Eden right now he has a cold did he go to the doctor he took a bunch of COVID tests they're all negative A bunch of COVID test. They're all negative. Oh, those are scratchoffs. That's the lottery.

I mean, Monkeypox really gave us like a Barry Sanders career, didn't it? It had me ready to end it all. It was a Barry Sanders career. Yeah, it was a show. Monkeypox definitely had a shook, but they retired early. Yeah, but I just don't know when the last time anybody just had a cold or the flu. It's just, I don't know. I'm just, you know, I understand.

It's cold identifying as COVID. How about that? Does that make you feel better? I mean, no, I feel great. You know what I mean? I feel great. I'm drinking a gallon of water a day. Okay.

I'm pissing nonstop. Nice. Nice. You know, and I'm just doing things, taking vitamins, doing what I can, just not catch whatever the fuck is floating around. Just an amazing, healthy human being. I try to be, man. Listen, we only get one vessel.

I'm fucking. I'm going to fuck me up. No, you didn't. You did not fuck me up. You actually annoyed the shit out of me when you said. That's fucking you up. I fucked you up. Actually, what annoyed me more was both of them went,

like you just said something profound. Like, no, that was not that. Hey, I'm sick of all you niggas trying to teach us how to get money on the internet too. Great transition. Yeah, no, I'm just,

because it's a lot of shit that I had time with these six days off to sit back and look at. I'm sick of you niggas trying to teach niggas how to get money. Like, stop it, man. It's not that simple to get money.

What are they teaching? I don't know. I'm just saying, like, just, I get it. Like, you monetizing, trying to teach people how to monetize. Yeah.

Like, what the fuck is going on right now? Yeah, man. You just, you put up 200 bucks and then you ask someone else to put up 100 bucks. And then they ask someone else to put up that 100 bucks

then they give you that $200 and then down the line until it starts what we would call maybe like a triangle. What's another word for it? Reminis. What the aliens made. The pyramids.

Yeah. And then someone gets like a pack of juice in the process that you might sell but you don't have to sell. Like juice. Not. That's about say wait. Yo.

All right. What? I was trying to make sure he didn't say that. That's all. Am I wrong for that? Listen, I don't want this thing to go too far off the rails. And it was not quite juice, like juice-ish. Juicyish.

Roy, we were on college at the same time. Did you have that? Those pyramid verve or whatever that shit was called? No. It was the juice scam that was like the pyramid scheme across. Fem, you got to start putting a little more. Yeah, you got to put the seed. You got to put the hard cripsy on there.

Like you can't just like float past the sea. Well, they scam, but in a different way. Okay, yeah, true. The juice. All right, so the juice did what? There were people that were selling drinks. on campus and you would find someone to get beneath you to then take on other units of drinks. And then it was just kind of stacking drinks where it got to a point where you'd walk into someone's dorm room.

And it would just be like a palette of these drinks that they were like selling and pushing. And then some kid on campus was like the kingpin of this scheme. And he had a like a wrapped Mercedes C class that had it was orange with like the name of the drink on the side. It was a whole thing. I lost a lot of friends over this scheme because I wouldn't join. I was like, dude, I'm here for college. But for regular juice? It was, yeah, it was like an energy.

Like, who likes juice that much? It was a stupid energy drink that was like running rampant across the, that part of Pennsylvania, those small liberal arts colleges. And there was like a big scheme. It was like Lafayette, Lehigh, Mulemberg, Philipspril. Like all those schools were all in on it. And the kingpin of it went to my college. The kingpin. He had a Mercedes.

that he was driving around. It was orange. It was, anyway, I spent Thanksgiving alone. You said all that. He said all of that to get to. What's so funny is,

I spent Thanksgiving alone. Colleges have, have, like, convenience stores where you can, like, just buy shit. You don't even have to have cash. You can, like, swipe your ID and get free juice. I remember I went to a convenience store on campus at Virginia State.

And the dude and then told me to shut the fuck up and hurry up and pay. way why it was a dude standing by hobby i was about to pay for something i was like damn this costs a lot it's kind of expensive right bro did he then say i feel sorry shut the fuck up and pay i was like all right let me shut the fuck up and pay did he then say i feel sorry about your mother and then you murdered him was wife it wasn't a guy that at work yeah it was a guy that was and then your friend cane wanted to go to Atlanta no smart ass and then okay there's a fucking a dude trying to buy a juice no sometimes i feel like maybe you were a menace to this

to someone called one. Anyway, I'm glad to hear of society. You were alone. You were alone is what you're saying. Lonely Thanksgiving. I only brought that up. I don't want to talk about COVID anything. I was just wondering what you were doing on Thanksgiving.

Fine, fine. Because I feel like maybe I knew what you were doing on Thanksgiving. You know what Julian was doing. He went to fucking Soho House. Soho Thanksgiving. He went to check it out. It was kind of as a light night. Busted down the unseasoned turkey.

Yeah. We know what Julian was going. Maybe did what you did for the holiday. I cooked. I cooked and cleaned and cooked and clean. Baby D. When you're going to cook for me, yo. When you eat food. I do eat food. When you tell me you eat actual food. You're on TikTok, right?

You're on TikTok doing all kind of dances and shit. I know they got vegan chefs on TikTok going crazy. Save one of them videos. Keep the recipe. And you know what I'm saying? Okay. Where I'm going to cook at, Maul? You won't allow us to come to your house. No, you can come to my house.

You can't my house and cook. Okay. Yeah. I will cook you a vegan meal. Bring your sisters. So, the Maris. have a whole. De Maris was back home and she's been on this podcast saying all the time that like,

oh, no, when I talk to or any of my exes or anything are in New York City, they're all back home where I'm from. She was there for about a week and clue to a holiday. What was the inbox looking like? All of my exes live in New York City. Was the ghost to push shit off, baby, Dee? I don't know what he's talking about. Get your shit off, baby, Dee.

All of my old whores live in New York City. Okay, what about how many of the niggas hit you up for a plate? Nobody hit me up for a plate because I don't put that kind of energy out there. They know that I'm unavailable. Oh, you unavailable on Thanksgiving. I'm single, but I'm unavailable. Single, but you're unavailable. All the women that have claimed to be unavailable, has that ever stopped you?

Or stop them? No, I'm available. I don't know what your status is. And so are they. Yeah. Are you unavailable? I'm available. Make yourself available. Listen. We can sit on this phone all night.

I pull up to the house. I made a whole meal. It's my thing. I remember the street. Who did you have over? My whole entire family, I had people from out of town. that I haven't seen. Oh, okay.

So everybody came through. Yeah. So my mom's house is that house. Like I had the grandmother that had the soul food Sundays every Sunday. So my grandmother passed. My mother took on all the holidays, but she's older now, so she can't really move around. So I cook. So she holds on baby D now.

What did you cook? Did you guys see my turkey? I sent a photo. Yes, I saw it. And then I made baked macaroni and cheese, green beans, collard greens, sweet potato pies, pound cake, banana pudding cheese cake. Town cake from scratch? Yeah.

Ooh. Dessing. You know, everything. Dressing from scratch. Yeah. Ooh. People don't make Christmas. Mom wants to know if your sister's cook. No, my sister is she comes to the, she gets a dress for the living room. I like that. Don't tell you right there. They're going to bathroom with you and talk about something for 10 minutes. Why, everybody downstairs watching the game, watching Brady.

What do they talk to you about in the bathroom? Huh? Talk about the painting. Yeah, of course. But you just could use a little bit of a highlight this wall right here. And only 10 minutes. You know she's. Never mind. Talk about how the Giants cannot be the Cowboys' Worth a Fuck and they're stressing me out. Listen, the Giants have had their success for the year. I think it's over.

All right. Let's not drag it. All right. Remember I said it. Remember I said it. That's all I'm saying. So yeah, the holiday came and went. Everything was cool.

And then unfortunately, Friday night, Rory called me with some very, very unfortunate and heartbreaking news that a friend of ours, one of our colleagues, one of our colleagues, one of our. our peers, one of our, just a all-around solid, great, great person. Hovane passed away, unfortunately, Friday at home in Atlanta, I believe. In Atlanta, Aurora called me Friday night and gave me that news. And that was just like, it was just so heartbreaking to hear that and receive that news, man. And that was that really, like, shook me up and that just crushed my entire weekend. Even now today, you know, just moving around. it's just hard to kind of like process that just because if you ever had the pleasure of being in hovane's presence whether you were working with him or not just being in a room with him

his energy his uh just his positive attitude was just so it was it was it was hard to miss you know i mean he was just one of those guys that was just a good good person to the core man and it hurts when you lose people like that because in this business in this industry it's very rare that you meet people that will be selfless and will do things for you without asking for anything in return without wanting anything from it. You know, and Hovane just epitomized that. He was a guy that literally if you needed something and he had access or he had a way to get it done for you, he would do it. You know, always called or text checking in on you, just giving you positive words. You know what I mean?

It was just, just been, it's been hard to process losing somebody like that because you don't find guys like that. You don't come across people like that every day. So this is a huge, huge loss to, first of all, his family, I'm sure, and his friends, his close friends. The industry. His kids, his wife. His kids. It's just a huge loss. Hovane was just a one of one, man.

Great, great guy. You know, just a love and care and soul. Very just selfless, very giving. So yeah, it's been hard, man. It's been hard because, again, you don't find people like that in this industry often worry. So when you have these guys that are in your life and you know, you got to cherish them and it was just, it's been hard.

It's been hard to process that news again because he's just one of one. One of one great guy. We're going to miss him. His presence will be, you know, with us, you know, in our hearts. But missing his physical is it's going to take some getting used to because, again, any time he was in a room with Hovane, you know, always smiling, you know, always had great conversation, positive conversation, never spread no negative energy, you know, he never had nothing negative to say, just a positive, positive dude, man, and it's, we're going to miss him.

He's going to be one of those dudes that we talk about for a very, very long time. And again, prayers to his family, his kids, his wife, you know, Brooklyn, you know, it's going it takes him getting used to not seeing Hovane around, but we definitely got to live in his honor and his memory and move the way he moved. Move with love, move with positivity, help somebody, even if nothing is in it for you, you know, connect the dots, you know, put people in the right rooms where they can flourish together and make positive things happening. And that's what Hovane was. That's what he epitomized. He was a guy that just brought people together and always wanted to see good things come out of putting people in the same room. And we need to take

had to move forward with that. I think that's how we on the whole vein. We move like he did, you know, and I think that in that he will be happy. Yeah, man, he was, uh, speaking just from, he's like one of the last real managers, I think, in hip hop, not the, uh, face of some artists where, where they're not even working. They're just there to be like, yo, I know you. He was on the ground every day working. And the only manager I know that kind of bridged the gap where he was managing all of our favorite legends and making sure how to keep their legacy profitable. Like he knew how to keep an older artist that may be like, yo, I'm a little older. Got a family now.

I can't just be out here all the time. Hovane had the perfect blueprint on how to keep them profitable and relevant. Then he goes and fucks with artists like La Russell and helps with them. Right. Like, that's a different type of manager to me. There is the legacy manager that is now. Yeah. And then there's the new manager.

Hovane is the only one I knew that did both and did it better than the legacy manager and the new manager. Yeah, absolutely. And that's just to speak on his skill set. Him as a human being, I wouldn't even know where to fucking begin. Oh, man. Best of the best. I met him through this music industry, obviously.

I don't even know if Hovane and I ever did real business. Right. Like, that made me, like, think after you. passes scrolling through our taxes and everything like yo we was like just friends like yeah yeah he would just hit me about music we would just talk about like he was just always checking up on me never when he needed something never when he wanted to do business never just would just hit yo here's some music oh what you think about this what you think about this yo I'm looking at this artist yo I saw what you just did like he was just a good dude and it's so funny to hear so many people

have a similar story with that I'm like damn how did he how did you he do all that? Yeah, that's just who he was. Everybody has the same exact story about him. And that just speaks to who he was, man. He's a solid individual all the way around. The same with everybody always greet you with love and respect, moved with integrity, move to morals. And again, just always wanted to see people, you know, if you needed something that he was able to help you, he would run the play for you. He'll plug you with the right person. And even if, again, he didn't want nothing in return. He just was like, oh, you need that. Like I got my homeboy does whatever. whatever, whatever, and just made it happen, man.

And just a good person, you know, like I said, always positive, always smiling, always laughing, you know, always had good things to say, you know, and always was encouraging, supportive. You know what I mean? And it's hard, man. It's hard to meet people like that in this industry. This industry is full of, you know, a lot of snake cut throat, envious energy, you know, and Hovane was just the total opposite of that, man. That's what really hurts when you lose people like that because, you know,

how precious a person like that is to his family, to the community, to the culture, to the industry. So again, I think we move forward with that energy that he had, with that light that he had inside of him. We move forward with that and, you know, we help people whenever, wherever we can in honor of his name. So, you know, prayers and condolaces to the family. Yeah. And, you know, we're here, Rory and myself for any type of support. And, um, yeah man let's move forward like hovain did let's move forward with love and positivity and just support for each other yeah and even like it's so many people i met through hovane that i'm so cool with today based off them just doing a solid for hovane like anytime without getting into too much detail

with certain stuff he's all everyone's been like i'll do the solid because Hovane asked me. And I've heard, again, so many people talk about that these last few days of like how much progression they've had in their career and life, like even not business-wise, where it was like, yeah, it was off the strength of Hovane that I was able to have this connect or been able to do this type of business or because whoever you're trying to connect with said, all right, if Hovane said, you cool, you cool. Right.

Yeah, absolutely. And he was just one of those type of guys. Yeah, like that was just him, man. Like, he just wanted to see people, you know, do good. good things and if he had a hand in helping it happen or bringing it together that was good enough for him yeah you know i mean he just wanted to make sure that people was doing the things they wanted to do and if he was able to plug you and kind of make it come to fruition and you know that was that's just who whole vein was he just wanted shit to happen he was a he really made things

happen from a from a ground level like you know like you said little l russell and you know everything he was doing with him and stiles you know banks you know i mean just like you know i mean he's like you You know, I mean, he just was, he was everywhere, man. And he was just a positive person, man. I never seen Hovane upset. I never heard him say any negative thing about somebody. Like, I just never, you know, when people pass, you start rolling through the memories and just conversations.

And I'm like, this dude never had nothing negative to say about anybody. Like, he just wasn't, that's just not who he was. And, you know, it's going to hurt, though. That's a huge loss for us. That's a huge loss losing Hovane. Yeah. This loss is going to be one of those that's felt way later on, even though it's felt right now. Yeah.

The more time goes past will start to realize even more how many rooms, how many situations, how many conversations, how many people were around that was all based on Hovane and what Hovane was doing. And Hovane will no longer be in those rooms or on those text threads or on those emails or at those shows. it's going to start to feel like oh anytime i was around these people or with these people or talking these people were doing business it was because hovane was there like he was the nucleus to so much shit that is not just new york hip-hop just hip-hop period right so like he he's the one degree separation i think of everyone within hip-hop to some degree yeah would be hoving that's our one degree of separation if i don't know you our one degree of separation is homay absolutely so it's we're just i think we're to feel like

even more as time passes as if we're not feeling it now. But prayers, prayers to his wife for sure. Prayers to his kids. I saw that she put on her Instagram timeline, which I thought was beautiful for the circumstances. She said, everyone please keep sharing more of these memories about Hovane.

I know people think that may make me sadder, but it's actually making me happier to see how much he affected everybody's lives. And, you know, the positivity that he put within all your lives. It's like, I thought that was beautiful for her to say and very strong of her to say. Yeah. Rest and peace to hold, man. Rest and peace, Jonathan Hilton, better known as Hovane.

Yeah. We love you. We're going to miss you. But we're going to move forward with the energy that you instilled in us every time we had a conversation, every time we came, we cross paths, nothing but love, nothing but positivity, nothing but support. So thank you for all the conversations. text messages you know

anything you ever did to support Rory and myself very appreciative but we always let you know that so that's why you know I know personally I always let him know how much I appreciate him absolutely and always saluted him

and was definitely one of the flyers I used to always fuck on him about that he used to talk about my sneaker collection I'm like cut it out nigga you got way more sneakers than I do definitely one of the flyers So salute to Hovane. Prays to you, man.

Bless your soul. And hopefully one day we'll see you on the other side, my brother. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm glad I'm glad he's kicking in with his cousin. You know, his cousin is Sean Price. Yeah. Yep.

So I'm happy at least there together. Absolutely. At this point. But yeah, rest of peace. Yeah, man. So it was definitely a rough holiday week to say the least with Hovain. Also, Ravy's mom. Yes, Raven's mom passed.

I'm from Raven's mom passed. We were in Houston, I believe. While we were in Houston, then my uncle passed. Yeah. Three for seven was a rough, rough seven days. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so yeah.

To transition out of that, um, at least some great things happened over Thanksgiving break, Meek and Ross, who I forgot were even beefing made up. Can meek and Ross, who I forgot, were even beefing made up? Can meek and Ross? really beef, though, like when we think about it. Can Meek really beef with Rick Ross? Yes. Yes.

Yeah, I think so. Absolutely. Or can he just be upset about, like, again, we're talking about beef or just upset at business dealings? Well, that's what we're talking about. That's beef. Beef is not, I don't think, for me, beef means when I see you. It's when you need to gas to go to sleep. Yeah.

Like, to me, that's beef. Like, when I see you. Sometimes I feel like it's when you make your enemy start your Jeep. Something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Exactly. Best believe.

Like, I don't think. that Meek and Ross had beef. I don't think Meek had beef with Rick Ross. I think that he had issues. Meek was like when I see you. No. Guarantee to be in. Absolutely. Absolutely. One more time. That's what I'm saying. Like, no. See, that was not the energy. It was I'm mad at the contracts, MM, whatever the situation was. Meek was mad about it. Yeah, but that's beef. They were also on a sample of what's beef with the what's free. Were they trying to tell us something? Even back then. Everything comes full circle. I'm trying to tell you.

During Thanksgiving, because Jay had said, don't say happy thanks. See, you guys are not doing the science right now. Right. I didn't even do all that science. My bad word. That's why you're here. Yeah. Now, Rick Ross and Meek reunited at Meek's Dreams and Nightmare.

Is it the 10-year anniversary? 10-year anniversary, yes. 10-year anniversary for Dreams and Nightmares. The show in Philly. Meek had a bunch of money back. The Wells Fargo Arena. Congrats to selling that out. That's, you know, that was dope.

That was dope. That was a great look for me. Congrats to Meek on selling out that show. I heard the show was dope. A few of my people went down there for the show. They said it was dope. You didn't go down? No, I didn't go to the show.

But a lot of people came out, money bag, yo. Okay. Who else came out? Fat Trail was backstage. Welcome home. Fat Trail's home. Welcome home to Fat Trail. Obviously, Ross came out.

It looks like that Ross came out to do. I'm a boss. Yeah. Great record. I love to see that live, actually. That's good, though. Like, that's good to see them, you know, kind of like put that shit to bed.

man, listen, there's no beef, whatever issue there was, is obviously... I forgot that was a thing. Yeah, because it wasn't a thing. That's my point. It's not a beef. I don't think that Meek Mill has a whole lot to thank Rick Ross for. Now, you know, sometimes businesses in a way and, you know, shit isn't the way you wanted to be.

And you can be upset about that. But beef, yeah. I don't think that meat can have beef with Rick Ross. I don't think that would go get to a beef point. Yeah, but it was business differences. It was like, you know, a meek can be upset. is mad about he probably feels like he should have got paid for more off of his album sales or whatever you know things like that um well which isn't really in ross's control to some degree i will

say listen the music business we know is it's it's a i'm sure ross is in a joint venture yeah with the mmg deal that would you know have a pretty standard contract yeah mmg signed through warner so yeah so you were actually the reason me couldn't um get his royalties or get pay what he was deserved. It was because of you. T. James Moses is assigned the Mayback Music Room? Really? Early crush. No, this can't be.

Love, Tadger Mons. Updated. These are just former MMG artists. When was French Montana on? Or an affiliate? Oh, this was when they were all passing like chains around. Like, we were all, we're all, we're all, oh, I'm looking at this. Like, bro, there's no way.

No, okay. All right, got it. Who is still active on MMG? contractually I'm not sure I know Wale stayed with Warner but I don't know if he's still under the MMG imprint he left he left MMG is Ross even with MMG

that's honestly that's what I'm trying to figure out I don't I know Stiley's gone gun play up I'm not quite sure Fat Trell I'm not quite sure yeah I don't know well not that important but good to see that they were together Rick Ross

back on stage for the Dreams and Nightmare show in Philly. Shout out the meek once again for selling the arena out. Who else came out? Friday came out. I like Friday. I like Friday a lot. I was texting with him over the week. I want him to come on the show and we're in L.A.

Friday's dope. I'm curious to see what he does solo. He's been getting a lot of great looks that are well-deserved. He's been running around, writing everything for a minute. I like when all the writers and the people that have been like, like real studio rats for a minute, finally get like the solo act time. Yeah.

Because they usually have longer careers because they've been doing it for a minute. So I fuck with Friday for real. The way he moves in his solo career, well, I mean, he's a solo artist, but it's going to be good to see him move on his own projects and make the music that he wants to make.

I'm looking forward to see what he does. Well, I'm upset that you weren't at the show because I feel like you were a big part of like the 10 years of that record. Fabio, Fon, Favready Rebel, A. A. Bougie, Jim Jones. Oh shit.

It's a great line up. I was so off the internet because of this week and everything that was going on. Was there a lot of clips of this? I didn't know, future. Only Ross is the only one I'm seeing. This is a fucking incredible show. No, it was a great show. I had a few of my friends went down and they said the show was really dope.

They really put on a good show that night. So that's a good look for me, man. Shout out to Meek. Shout out to Philly for showing up for one of their own and selling out the arena. I did not listen to Flamers 5. I understand it's on Dapiff. I'll give it a listen. That's what I got.

Flamish 5. I got through the first, like, maybe six tracks. And then, you know how I did listen on SoundCloud once your phone rings. Like my calls. It's like, I'm not going back to the app. Wait, wait. I can't tell if this is an excuse or just hilarious. Yeah, anytime you're listening to music and your phone rings, the music will stop.

It's different on SoundCloud, though. Why? Because I feel like. Once you hang up the phone or if you're on iTunes, I feel like it goes back into the... Well, do you have the SoundCloud app or do you use it off Safari? Not Mickey's X, like the browser. No, yes. I know what you're talking about.

I think I have the app. Well, yeah, the app, it goes right back. Does it? I listen to like the first six. I'm going to get back into it, though. So that's the reason why you didn't listen to Flamers is because someone called you and the SoundCloud app. I went to SoundCloud app because I did like the fact that me when someone is putting a mixtape out on mixtape platform.

I did like that. So I said, let me listen to it, give it a spin and see what Meek talking about. But then what was he talking about? Phone call. I mean, it sounds like Meek. It sounded like mixtape meek. It wasn't nothing like. She thinks I'm funny.

It wasn't nothing. No, I think she thinks you're crazy. It wasn't nothing that was like new. What was the bag? Did he mention where he was from? Oh, he's going to let you know you from Philly. I don't know that. First 10 seconds in him from Philly.

Did he mention like who maybe like what celebrities he drinks with? Yeah. I heard one track. What was the one track we just listened to Dreams and Nightmares, too? Who he said he was with? I don't know. I can take a guest, though. I'm going to listen to it, though, man.

We got to stop because Meek really thinks we don't like him, and I really, I love Meek. I'm honest about his music because I fuck with him. Are you going to all 30 records? No, I can assure you I'm not going to. You're going to go right to much. There's a lot of music I don't listen to, though. It's not a Meek specific thing. A lot of the tracks are short, though.

You're going to go right to Munch. No. I heard that, though. I heard Munch. That was one of the first songs I heard of it. Well, that was a snippet that was out from this. Yeah. So I did hear.

I heard it on Twitter. Oh, okay. Like, he was giving us a little preview with a munch verse. Listen, I don't care if Meek ever wraps again in his life. I support and love meek just off of his story. And his progression. You watched it happen, coming from the corners rapping. And to where he is today selling out the Wells Fargo Arena.

Like, you got to support any story like that. Not that my judgment matters. And we can wrap up the Meek part. I think it's incredibly sold out a fucking Wells Fargo arena. That's crazy. for a 10 year anniversary for a song that's fucking hits. I don't particularly care

what's on Flamers 5. I like the direction Meek is taking as far as not wanting to do DSPs or not want to fuck with labels. I think that's a lonely fucking path. I encourage it. I think it's not the most profitable at the moment. I think it eventually

will be. And I think if Meek is one of the first artists that tries it, he'll fail when others will succeed. So I think he maybe setting himself up for failure, but it will be a necessary martyr to try to actually make money on records when it comes to streaming.

I'm not going to judge Flamers 5. His actual album, I will judge. Because I didn't like the last one. Meek is getting to an age where I no longer want to hear the same content. You've got to give me something else once you get a little older. Not again.

Not that my opinion matters. No, it's your consumer, so you can voice your opinion. I don't think there'll be much progression in his career if he wants. takes the route of not going to where all the community is, which is DSPs, and two, having the exact same content. I think he's got to do one of the, like, if you're going to not go the DSP route, your content

has to change. You have to give us a real reason to listen to it, and it's not a hit record, and it's not talking about the same shit you've been talking about forever. I think you've got to give us something new. He's baking on his core audience following him wherever he goes and support them. And I think it doesn't spread in chorus, fine. Focus on your cord. Mad artists do that, and they're extremely well off.

probably more well off than the people that don't have a core and are just on the DSPs with high singles. But if you're going to take this route meek, it can't just be Roleys, Philly. Miami? I know I'm on Collins. I just got off the phone with Beyonce.

Like it just can't be that. Just get off the phone, Beyonce is crazy. It is crazy. And it's a, like, that's an amazing thing. Don't get me wrong. If you're just going to go this route, you have to talk about some more shit. And it can't, everything he's talking about in his tweets and everything he's talked about with prison reform

and interviews and all that, that needs to come into the music somehow. Yeah. For this to be that effective, no? He does that in flashes, but it's just not consistent. I think people just want a more mature, grown-up, meek at this point.

I think the, you know, the, the harvest of the party bounce and all of that. He's shown us that he can do that, you know, whenever he wants. But I think people just want more depth. They want more something just more, just more grown.

You know, his audience, from when he came in, like you said, 10 years from the dreams and nightmare, so his audience that came in with him was 10 years older. Yeah.

People got real things going on in their life. Now everything can't just be rolling Miami bus down. You know what I mean? You got to give us, tell us how to cheat some of these taxes, my nigga.

I don't know. I don't completely agree because I feel like GZ and Ross rap about a lot of the same things too. They just have grown with the way that they do it. So their content might not be different.

But the way that they do it, they've caught up with the times as far as their style or whatever. That's what I'm saying. I think that's what we're saying. Like, no, listen. Like, GZZ's still talking about bricks, but negative to my real estate. Brick by brick. He, like, made the bricks. The ontander.

LLC Twitter is, panties are wet right now. Okay. All right. We can make jokes about LLC Twitter because I hate LLC Twitter. I hate them too, but a lot of, a lot of what Meek is saying on Twitter. right now is a lot of stuff that we know within the music industry, but a lot of the fans do not know that do listen to him for the Roli talk and its motivation that he got it from the mud and now he can have the Altamar on Ocean Ave with the Instagram model bitch. That's motivation

to them. So if he gets on LLC Twitter shit on his raps, I think that's progression. I think that's fine. I think he should do that. If he wants to be the elder statesman, which I know he can be, because he does fuck with the kids too much to the point that his last. album sounded like the kids. Yeah, be the elder guy. It's okay to preach sometimes. Yeah, he got to, he got to accept that role. It's become corny, and the internet has done it where we really do vilify anytime a rapper

does start to get on, they preachy shit. And sometimes it does get annoying because music for the most part is supposed to make us feel good, and we do want to dance, and sometimes we don't really want to be preached to. There's a way to talk that talk without it feeling preaching. And I think Mika's at that point in his career, especially the way he's tweeting now. Yeah. Yeah, put it in the music. He's going to find his balance.

And, you know, I just hope that. And I think he's still figuring out in real time because some of the tweets make me laugh. Like him finding out that. He's an underrated tweet. We're fucking with the Indians was just, you know. Just read the next sentence. Meek, you're almost there. You're right there.

It's just change a few words. Listen, man, I love Meek. I'm supporting meek. I'm looking forward to the next album. I'm hoping that is something different. I'm hoping it's a different level of me. Meek because I think he's important, first of all, to his generation, but just to the industry. Like, his story is the American dream.

Like, the kid on the corner to now where he's at, preaching about prison reform. You know, we actually saw it unfold in front of us. So we support Meek. We're looking forward to the next project. I am going to finish Flamers 5, though. I am going to go back. Unless I call you when you're on sound like. No, don't call me.

Please don't call me. All right, well, then text me like, yo, I'm listening to Flamers 5. Don't go. I'll let you know what time. I'm going to lock out of window. Maybe just do like airplane mode. No, he's going to call me anyway. If you text him and say, yo, I'm listening to Flamers 5.

I'm kind of preoccupied. He's going to call you anyway. So how are you feeling? No, I will call you. I wouldn't say I'd just be laughing. I'm preoccupied, listening to Flamers 5. Don't call me. Yeah, man.

I'm listening to Flavis 5. Leave me alone. Dropped everything you did, right? Exactly. The AMAs pulled a Chris Brown, Michael Jackson, Michael, excuse me, Michael Jackson Tribute. This is still being talked about. It's been like four weeks going.

No, it's been a week almost. And I didn't understand why I've heard things that the Michael Jackson estate didn't clear it. Rory just said that he heard that they didn't want an convicted abuser paying honor to an alleged molester. I believe is what the quote was allegedly from the executives at whoever was putting the show together. It's good of them to do their due diligence and not research any of that before a week before the show. Listen, man. Whatever it is.

Did they get like the dailies of the rehearsals? And it was like, wait, I think I've heard of these two before. It's just stupid. Just a weird like, listen, I'm not saying where people's moral grounds are or whatever. It's just a weird time that you would book this type of tribute with these two people. And then a week before ago, oh, wait, I know these names. Isn't there something in their past? Let's cancel this.

Yeah, that's why the the abuser honoring the alleged molester doesn't make sense to me. I don't believe that. Now, to me, when I read that the Michael Jackson estate didn't clear it, to me that made more sense. Okay, but to do something, I'm still going back to the execs. Whatever's true, what's not true. I don't believe that. All of these things can be true or false if one of them is true. true. I'm still looking at the execs an extremely weird way. Why would you even start this without it

getting cleared by Michael Jackson's estate? This is going to be a moment. It's Chris Brown, who everyone has compared as far as dancing goes to Michael. He's that, like, it's going to be the biggest moment in however many years for this award show. Absolutely. You wouldn't be like, maybe let's talk to the Jackson's. Or maybe we should research Chris Brown's background and Michael Jackson's back. People were saying it was just a tactic. When they on vacation, I'm just confused. For like hour. Rage Marketing, knowing that they were going to pull the performance. They just wanted it to get put out there. And then when it would come time to actually, like, days before the show, pull it and be like, look

how good we are for not supporting these two. But that just speaks to outrage marketing and how not good they are. Like, why was it now? Well, the animas are trash. I think we can just say that. No one gives a shit on the AMAs. Which is why they needed this tribute. This is more important than any of the awards that were given out.

Didn't Chris Brown do a Michael Jackson tribute on BET since his incident or Rihanna? Yes. Yeah, I believe so. So, like, what is the AMAs talk? Like, what are they talking about? We'll see what I, the statement I'm seeing from a DCP spokesperson was live shows change all the time. It's the nature of this business.

Unfortunately, this element of the AMAs didn't come together as we couldn't align on the performance to no fault of Chris Brown. Cap. That's bullshit. Well, whatever it is, I love the fact that. Of course, live shows change, but this is. Yeah, this is like a pretty integral part of that show. This was like the biggest.

That's probably what it was since. It should have been censored around. Apples and bowling bowls compared to that. This was, I do love the fact that Chris Brown put out videos and clips of him rehearsing. Oh, no, the performances look great. But then even them, well, was it booing? Because I saw the headline and then I clicked the clip of Chris Brown winning an award and Kelly Rowland accepting the award on his behalf.

Yeah. I wouldn't say it would be straight booze, but it wasn't an amazing response. Now, did this have something to do with? a video. You know how many times Chris Brown is won awards and they've cheered since Theriana? But that's what I'm saying. Last week, I do remember a video resurfaced of Chris Brown. Yep.

Detailing everything that happened that night. Yeah, from his, uh, he did like a. He did his own documentary. Right. Talking about that. Oh, that was years ago he did that. Yeah. Yeah.

And I know when the timeline gets a hold of even something old and then it becomes topical again. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, shit. But they have to see, we have to get past that, bro. We have to move past that. Like, that's absolute bullshit. Like because you now are seeing something that I filmed and I said and I admitted to and I put out to the world six years ago, seven years ago, how long it was? Now that you just finding that, like, you're booing me.

You're canceling. Like, bro, this has been out. Like, what the fuck is, how is that even, how is that even something that's allowable? Like, how can people just cancel somebody for some shit that, bro, I put this out already. Y'all are just catching this? Like, I admitted to what I did. Like, this was years ago. I'm sorry.

I apologize. I've done my therapy. I've gone to whatever I had to do. I went through the courts. I did all of that is behind me. I've been on tours. I've won awards. All of that is behind me.

Like, how is this now something that people are like, oh, boo, you? Well, the big thing that I saw rhetoric on the timeline, a big discussion was has his behavior really changed is what I was saying. It's like, okay, you apologize for this, but has your behavior really changed? Has he been accused of putting hands on a woman since then? Yes. Oh, see, I don't know about that. I wasn't aware of that.

What was her? I'm not saying was true and not a rich. She went on Ayanla and told her and told everybody he pushed her down the stairs and had multiple restraining orders against him. Oh, see. I really didn't see that. I didn't know that. That I didn't know. Did not see that.

But even, I mean, not to excuse any of that behavior. I don't think I did. With that being said, it seems like the general consensus from the public, whether it be right or wrong, was that everyone was okay with the standing of Chris. They were okay to give him this platform. they're okay to let him do the tribute including the BET's other award shows he's been getting he's been winning awards he's been going through the motions

it just seems odd that this moment is I literally think the AMAs created this whole thing just to get some buzz what year was it didn't turn in the it got like who talks about the AMAs like what that's what I'm saying so I think it was just more about keeping the awards relevant

and now they're patting themselves on the back for being like oh we'll we got a two for one. Michael, who we're just saying is guilty because that's what we're doing. They put their foot down on that. And then Chris, someone who's admitted his wrongs, granted, like, however. Well, you said Michael is guilty. I'm saying they've decided that he's, they said disalleged.

But when they're saying that and they pull it, you know what they're saying. Listen, man, I don't know what the fuck is the AMAs, who runs it, who. This was absolutely just stupid, dumb. You just found out that Michael Jackson was an alleged molester. He was cleared of all charges. He was never found guilty of anything. Like, so we don't even have to entertain that. And then now you're saying that you weren't aware that Chris Brown was a convicted abuser.

Like, I don't, I just don't, I don't, this is just, I don't know. But either way, like you said, the AMAs is not really relevant. People don't really. I do think there's redemption in people. And I think Chris is, again, I only am speaking to the Rihanna one. I'm asking, DeMaris, what year that. That was 2015 when that crew she interviewed. 15.

I don't. If I saw it, I just forgot it. But I wasn't aware. But even then, I feel like there's been some redemption with it. I think he's admitted to everything you did wrong, took the steps. If I'm not wrong, Rihanna has publicly said she's been trying to get past it and wants to move on with it. It's not okay what he did. By any terms.

Never. And shouldn't be excused. But I think there is some redemption if people make. even awful mistakes sometimes but listen not to excuse me especially when it's admitted and said how was Chris Brown when that happened I think they were like 21 yeah maybe

they were both very young they were young they made a mistake that you should never make that you know you should never put your hands on a woman I don't give a fuck he was 19 oh he was 19 19 years old when this happened Rihanna was 20 you should never put your hands on a woman I don't care what the situation is you know but again at some point

you go through the court system you found guilty serve your time you go do whatever you have to do after for help therapy counseling whatever it is that you have to do and then you allow people to show you that they've changed and move forward and if we're at a point where now people are just finding old videos of him you know detailing what happened that night and still wanting to cancel them because of that like i don't i just don't i don't know what the fuck is going on anymore yeah and i'm if he was still denying it and still doing it that's drastically different. Yeah, that's a whole different thing.

I do believe in redemption for people. Now, the Cooch thing I had no idea about. That's why I'm kind of being on the fence on this one because I'm not quite sure of everything else. But as far as the Rihanna situation, I do think there can be redemption in that. And I don't think we are every mistake that we've made if we've admitted them, got help for them, taking accountability and not continued with it. Yeah, I think there's redemption with people. Listen, if you're going to hold something over somebody's head. that happened when they were 19.

Again, not excusing what happened, not excusing the action. But, you know, all of us have done things when we were 18, 19, 19, 20 years old that we look back and be like, damn, what the fuck was I thinking? What the fuck was I doing? But you live, you learn, you grow, you move forward. You got to allow people that space and that room to grow and move forward. And I don't know, this whole cancer culture shit is just like, it just threatens the ability to move forward. so. And Disney, who produces the AMAs, and they've, you know, always had a long history of being a strong moral compass.

Yeah, absolutely. Decided that the performance to MJ would be too radioactive, but they said Chris could still perform, but they wanted him to devise an alternative plan. And Chris said it was all or nothing. So I guess that's what ultimately hold the plug. I would be with Chris on that one. If you asked me to do a Michael Jackson tribute, I'm only doing the Michael Jackson tribute. I'm only doing that.

At that point, it's his artistic integrity. Like, he had the show planned. He had his tribute set. and figure what would the alternative be, yeah. Either way, AMAs, nobody cares about your show. The Chris Brown, Michael Jackson, should be the only reason that we tune down. If there even is one, list of all AMA performers. Let's get back to this buffet.

Let's see who's performed. And let's see their squeaky clean past. I'm not saying this year, just in the existence of this award show. Oh, yeah, that's the whole. You're trying to go down a whole I know what you're trying to do And I'm with you But that's just a whole list of shit

And here's the thing I'm not trying to do that to them Yeah I feel you Not even just that Like who Disney works with period If it's a And I think Disney can have some redemption

For having an extremely shady Pats and moving forward too Exactly Yeah AMA Y'all dropped the ball Nobody cares about the show We was only watching For Chris Brown's

Tribute to Mike I do want to thank Kelly Rowland For the words Of a positive word she had for Chris Brown. She's such a class act. I love Kelly Rowland.

Such a class act. She's so fine. She's classy. She's a classy woman. Love her. Speaking of class acts. Speaking of class acts, Julian is one of the

2,000 people who downloaded Suuiz album. Does that make me a bad bitch? Yeah, you are a bad bitch, Julian. I don't know if you know that. You're one of the baddest. Suidi did, she sold 2,000 copies of her album the first week

in the entire industry. seem to be, I don't know, talking about it for whatever reason. Now, I'm on record saying how much I love Sweetie. I am not one of the people that download her music. I just love her personality. I think she would buy her cookbook, though, right? I feel like Sweetie, nah, she probably ain't got no vegan recipe. You try to make the McDonald's meal.

No, I didn't. Well, I don't know. Do you consider a cup of noodles and Cheetos vegan? I think that's the first page of her cookbook. That's astronaut food. No, that's prison food. Yeah, astronauts. astronauts eat shit like that.

Yeah, so the industry. I saw of Berg. He tweeted something about her sales, blaming the ANR. I said it's giving me bad ANR vibes. He blamed bad management. You know, whatever people want to say. I just think that the end of the day,

the music is not strong enough. You can be beautiful. You can have a million, however many millions of followers on social media. if the product that you're selling and pushing to the people is not of a certain quality, of a certain level, certain caliber, people are just not going to support it. And that's just what it is. So people are going to have their deep dive pieces on why she only sold $2,000 in the first week and all this.

Let's have a deep dive. I've seen some people saying she's not a fourth quarter artist. I'm not trying to go on that deep dive. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. She isn't a four-quarter artist. Only Mariah Carey is a fourth-quarter artist at this point. I mean, yeah, for real.

You know, it's just... All right, so when was the last sweetie single? Let's do a quick deep dive. I don't know. As much as we can blame Swedish as far as what music is. What is Suites hive called? I have no idea. The Swedes?

I don't know. I would say sweetheets or something like that. Yo, me, you know. What's the name of them? The 2000 club? The icy gang? I think it is. Icy gang?

I think it's something like icy gang. Okay. If you're in the icy gang, IG, Rory. So does that mean a man owns that? because he was the one that wasn't that quavo did that it's cool no no no women empowerment um okay no no no women in power does he get his royalties when was the last sweetie single was it the doja cat bestie and a tessie no it was she's put out multiple ones but if i name them you wouldn't even know the most the one that you might recognize video wise was the closer featuring her

okay i vaguely remember there All right, so why would you put an album out at this time? I will agree. There was no single. Listen, I put a lot of accountability on artists. If the music don't hit, that is your fault at the end of the day for the most part. But someone that has been very much a single artist. Yeah, they have to set you up the right way, though.

As someone that's been a single artist, I didn't even know this fucking came out. Yeah. And Sweetie is one of the most popular people. I'm not saying artist-wise, like music, etc. She has multi-platin. You have to put the proper popularity bullshit rollout stuff with artists like this. And that's not a dig to her, but that's the type of artist she is.

It's a clear disconnect. It's a clear disconnect. Videos and whatever the fuck is happening around her world. We've said, sweetie does make good singles. I've heard plenty of Swedish. She has multi-platin singles. She fucking makes good music. But if you're going to do a full album,

even they made Cardi B-weight four singles in before they put her album out. Yeah. And all four of those singles was fucking platinum before they did that. This seems like the label management or A&R in Berg's defense fucked up here. Why would you put this out? I like what Berg said. I think that was pretty much spot on for me. Like it's something, it was a disconnect between her management, A&R.

It just wasn't a good plan. And it obviously just blew up in their face. She should not have put this out. And she also is like, sweetie, her biggest platform is her social media because of all the things that happened with the Cuevo breakup and then the rumors about her sleep. when we're offset, she took a huge social media break. So your biggest platform, your biggest tool, you weren't even utilizing. Did she and didn't come back with any? She said some things that rub people the wrong way because she didn't she have some lyrics

on the album that addressed that situation? They're like if your rollout is going to be attacking that family pick a different route. I don't think that was a rollout though. And I heard that bar. They kind of overreacted. I honestly, I haven't listened to any of it. Pull it up. Because I saw the snippet on Twitter when it came out.

I don't necessarily think that was about Cuevo offset or a takeoff. They don't make it about that. It wasn't as far as like the Meg Drake bar where it's like that's pretty fucking direct. The song is literally called messy. All right. Pull up the bar.

It seemed extremely broad to me. No, that's Quavo's song. Sorry, sorry. My bad. But I don't know. I just, I feel like granted her team, she, sweetie is known for having an amazing team.

like we praise her team all the time because sweetie isn't the greatest rapper but she gets all the deals like and I just feel like they failed her this time badly because I listen to pussy rap and I heard nothing about this until I heard that if I wasy rap I like that I never heard of probably a woman Chandra rap connoisseur pussy rap connoisseur me too you get it right now I've just never heard a woman rap about her pussy before um open your ears or you know it's like can You're not listening with intent. No, according to all women rappers, they just keep putting their pussy on our mouths and

leaving. Look at it. Right on cue. I'm going to put this pussy in his mouth. I wasn't even looking at the screen. Don't you tell nobody we fucking. That's right. Shut your mouth, nigga.

Don't say nothing. See. That's why anybody buy that. Listen, I'm awful like women being like aggressive and shit like that. It's kind of sexy. But you can't talk to any self-respecting man like this? The people love when you read verses. Can you do verse?

Y'all like to laugh at me, man. Y'all trying to make a fucking mockery out of me, man. But fuck it. Here we go. This is a great verse. All right. Verse one. Sweetie says, well, how niggas always speaking on who I'm fucking on?

He must have got excited when I FaceTime with nothing on. Ooh, I love when they face time with nothing on. Them same lips that yapping be the ones I nutted on. A hundred K, please. Know how much paper I be touching on? That's light. Roe, you better check my network. She's in my name in this?

Yes. Post a pick in his sweatshirt Because she didn't FaceTime me with nothing on Why am I catching a sub sub? Sub me on the first two bars before her You caught one Goopinette for me In his sweatshirt

I bet it had my ex hurt That's what I get for kissing on these frogs He got mad and told my business To the blogs Nigger pause I'm appalled Need to chill out Yeah I pull up

Then I bust Then I peel out Said he was a boss But he's talking like a groupie I knew he wasn't ready for this pretty bitch cooch Ooh, she's talking bad on that. That's your shit, mo. I'm about to download this mother.

Only 2,000 people downloaded this shit. She's talking bad on this mother. This is the one that everyone was saying was insensitive because it was about. The lines was them same lips that be app and be the ones I nutted on. That was, I think, the line that people thought was a shot. All right, thank you. Come on, man. You know how many.

When I heard the show's like, this is not about. You know how many lips, sweet. fine ass probably nut it on like cut it come on, man, stop. Respectfully. Respectfully, of course. She asked before you did. Zero. She's not married and she would not, that wouldn't happen until after marriage. I read that and I never felt like she was talking to anybody in particular. That's just

a universal. It's a communal nut. Yeah, it's a communal nut. Like, you're talking shit about me. Like, come on, man. I didn't stand on your face before. She's talking bad. What's the name of this? Don't say nothing? I'm going to go download this motherfucker. And I mean, after the 140 songs

that the Barb's leaked, We don't even know if sweetie wrote this. That was a lot of. Well, no, the barb's leaked it. Oh, verse two. She's, she come in talking crazy like that? Oh, go. Please.

Don't make me refund the dick. Sending his ass back because he came too quick. Now, hold on now, sweetie. Still, he still beat. Oh, let me guess. Her pussy was so good. That's why you got it quick. Yes.

We want me to do. You guys are the ones that can't stop shutting the fuck up about good it is. Yeah, why you come over here with this good pussy like this. It can be trash and you can also nut in two minutes. There's like a lot of. Yeah, I could be excited. There's a lot of variables. Yeah.

I could be excited. I could be battling demons. I could have been shaking the snake before you got there and just didn't finish. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's not all about you all the time. Not finishing when you beat off. It's funny.

I'm just saying. Well, based on what your dad said, that's why you to know. She said, that shit wasn't bussy. I knew I shouldn't have fucked him. Something told me not to trust this nigga. Now, my business in the streets. I should punch this nigga. Now, Rory, you can, you've had this type of energy.

Wait, wait. What type of energy I've had? You've had a girl which she wants you just punch you. Oh, putting her business in the streets. I have never put a woman's business in the street. That shit wasn't busting. Wait, we're not going to roll over that. I didn't.

Oh, I'm sorry. I knew I shouldn't have fucked to him. Don't you say a thing. The ad laver is sick. Don't you say a thing. But his vibe was so moist. But his vibe was so. No,

the pussy was. That's why I know it quick. Wait, because she's flipping the rhyme scheme. Oh, oh, let me. Because we got to see what she's going on, but she's taking us. But his vibe was so moist. told him I'm going to fuck him in a Rose Royce

Sent over a car I had no choice Got to his estate And the gates open Now if you have an estate I'm pretty sure She's gonna fuck you Whatever you want to fuck

Licked around my waist And my legs opened up Can't lie I was stuck for a second He was giving me that pressure Like this nigga might be special He was doing all the extras I was loving out he thugging

Yeah he pimping Oh excuse me That's my own song Yeah he pumping and he pumping. Oh shit, this nigga coming. Don't you say a thing. You forgot the yikes.

Oh, yikes. Oh, shit, this nigga coming. Yikes is our subconscious. This is a doctor-suce novel. Like you turn in the fucking picture book for the young kids. Yeah. No, this is going to go to that

like doctors. In 40 years, they're going to teach to say yikes when he comes. Why is that a bad? Now it's bad that he came? It's like, oh, shit. This nigga coming. Yikes.

Like, damn, it was fast as fuck. Yeah, but that like I said, Y'all ladies got to start getting mad at that because it's really a beautiful thing when you think about it. True. We ain't got to,

we ain't, because it, and what if I come right back? Like more than 10. Are you going to come back like Jordan? We're in the four or five? Round two always lasts longer. Hell yeah.

So like just get the first one out the way. Get the first one out the way. Boom. Now we can sit down and talk for a second. That's some water. Give me about 12 minutes and I'm ready to go again. So that's your bounce back time. It's 12 minutes.

About 12 minutes. About 12 minutes. 12 minutes. You know what I mean? Some, some, some, some, some, some pastries. Well, we know Maw's routine

is the wine and wall squats. Oh yeah, that's before. Yeah, you got to drink some red wine. That's not on the bounce back? Boy, what about you? What's your bounce back time? If I'm off to chew, zero seconds, I'm just, wipe it off and put it back in.

Wipe it off and put it back in. It is fucking nuts. That's definitely so white boy shit. Yo, wipe it off and put it back in. Come on, a pre-com shit can fuck you work. Make sure it's properly all out, out the tank. That's a 30-second timeout. So wipe it off and put it back in?

Yeah. That's crazy. Make sure there's no little residuals. Yo, wipe it off and put it back in. What do you wipe it? And if she ought to BC, just put it back in. Whatever t-shirt he had off before he's shrimp. Before Christ?

Because I'm praying she's on birth control. If ever ever a girl tell you she's on breath control if you just don't believe her? Oh, man. Let me tell you something. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey. Stop. it. Don't you do that. What? Oh, shit, this nigga coming. Yikes. I said yikes.

Yikes. Am I as red as I feel? Yes. Yes. You're as red as October. Oh, my God. So you guys really think those bars are about quabo? No. Absolutely not. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. Hey, fuck you all. You only downloaded. Only 2,000 you niggas went out and got Sweetie's album. Fuck y'all, man. Oh, man. She on here spitting. It's more of this type of shit on here, DeMaris?

I didn't listen to that shit. You just said you a pussy rap connoisseur. You know what's great about these rappers, though? All it needs is a new single and Sweetie's back. Like, this won't kill her career like it would have a rapper. All sweetie got to do is go to Jamaica. That's why I was trying to figure out why hit maker was on Twitter instead of in the studio, flipping another fucking old classic record for her to bop to.

Man, all sweetie got to sign a empire. All right. Take some pictures, man. Flut the fucking Instagram algorithms with that shit and then put out a new song. She'll be all right. Yeah. It's true. Yeah.

So what she got to do. Do you think she'll tour this? Small intimate venues. Yeah, we're never getting invited. It'll be intimate to do SOBs. I wasn't going to get invited if I praise this. So it doesn't matter. I think she could do small intimate venues.

Like she can get like a real person. Did you guys see that her team isn't Vlad is like trying to out her because her team doesn't want her to do Vlad or Baller Alert? He said she would have sold more if she did his. Anyway. Yeah. I, all right. I don't want to make this a shit on Vlad thing because he, it's like too easy.

It's like picking on the kid. It's just too easy type of shit. Oh, God. Let's get into like actual data. How much of Vlad's audience do you think is male? Oh, at least 85%. You are giving it 85%? At least.

I'm going to go 95. Yeah, I thought that was being jealous. Which is fine, because ours is probably 95% as well. It's actually not. I have our analytics. All right. Well, cool. Yeah, they'd be at our show.

Them hoses in the crowd. They are. They are respectful. I mean, they're respectful in the crowd. And I'm not mad at Vlad saying if sweetie would have taken that interview, she would have sold more. He has a big platform. I'm not mad at that.

Yeah, she would have sold $3,000 instead of two. He said she would have sold 10, what was it, 10 times more if he, if she did a Vlad interview? Come on, man. So you think Vlad's 95. said male audience would have watched a sweetie interview and been like well can't wait to stream this stop it man stop it for someone that is so smart he is sometimes one of the dumbest people i hear speak no it's just sometimes your ego takes control of what you're saying he said that's true

he said her loss here's the tweet if you want to read you think he really liked that but you know what that's corny you know what that's corny because if she sold a shitload of records and didn't do his interview still he wouldn't be saying that no he wouldn't have anything That's why I was calling it. Yeah, that's how you can't, I can't respect that. But I think he was mad because their team reached out and they passed. So this was his get back was saying, look, look. Okay, but like how butt hurt are you as a man to go tweet about Sweden?

He has a track record of being a butt hurt man. Yeah, because he got, he got mad. That's what he looks like? He said, he said he would never do a Rory and Moal interview and we never asked to. He looks like what. That's like when Trump said. We never brought him up once. That's like when the goal.

and say words won the chip and Trump was like they're not welcome to the White House and Curry was like we didn't we said we weren't coming like we're not going He's like well you're not invited No one wants to go. Yeah like You know whatever Her loss It is what it is

Hey sweetie you're talking that bad though I might have to listen to What else you're saying on that album though I'm gonna have to give it up a shit I might have to give it a spin She's talking bad on that what's that don't say nothing I'm about to download that motherfucker right now And I actually didn't even like Sweetie's response to Vlad.

Yeah, she kind of like, yeah. What did she say? Vlad, I love you. Here's a screenshot of... She didn't stand on it. It's like... No, no, no, which is fine. And you're not talking to your team because your team turned them down. You need to talk to your team.

And then Vlad even got spicier to her after she was very humble about the entire thing. I thought she was too humble. And he was like, you need to check your team. Like, Vlad is the fucking your dad or some shit. Like, I don't know. maybe not even keep this. It was just a very weird back and forth to the point that I feel like

this back and forth almost felt planned. Staged. From the first tweet, it felt that way. And now I think we're about to get a sweetie interview with Vlad. I'm not the person that thinks

every last fucking thing is some cryptic rollout that was planned, but this one feels like it's one of those. Because even that was weird to me for Vlad, and I think Vlad is a very weird guy. But him even putting that out, she'd do 10 times numbers, her loss. Like even that is,

even more catty than Vlad usually is and more butt hurt than Vlad usually is. This entire thing felt like Sweetie's team is setting up some crazy Vlad interview where sweetie finally tells the tea to everyone. Which would be so stupid to me. As much as Vlad and I have disagreements on shit, he's not a dumb person.

Yeah. I could see this being an orchestrated thing in an intelligent one. I really hope that she doesn't do that because she was on Carisha, please, and said nothing about anything. Like, literally, just like, I don't tell up my business. I'm not doing anything. My legs are crossed.

I'm a lady. I don't kiss and tell. Like, you're going to get glad. She's about to be in the puff thruple. Okay. No. That's a visual I did not need in my head, but here we are. It's a new rollout.

All right. Fine. Cut it. I like it. Oh, no, we're definitely leaving it. Belenziaga released a disturbing child campaign that had children holding teddy bears that seemed to have some BDSM vibes. They were wearing like leather harnesses and I don't know. Yeah.

Other weird shit. And people seem to be pretty upset and bothered by it. Understandably so. I didn't understand where the art was in that and the correlation of fashion was in that. I didn't get it. So anytime you use children for a campaign or any image. and you have little subtle things like that and it those are adults that makes those decisions so what are the adults thinking what are they doing uh we all know that people sometimes are very nasty

and uh very fucking just vile and disgusting and um this seems to be the latest disgust uh that people are kind of bothered by with belenciaga why are they bothered by it it seems very on brand children make the clothes why can't they be in the ads they exploit children when creating these fucking pants. No, no, not that children. I forgot my dad. It's white children that are next to wine glasses. So it's an issue. But we've never talked about how we exploit kids to make all this.

No, no, not the child, right? It was the children, not the Malaysian children. It was the imagery with the, the teddy bears. The teddy bears. Yeah, it was just. There were also like court documents placed if you, you know, did a little bit of Google and you could find out that these were certain court cases that were, related to sex offenders and like big Supreme Court hearings where a lot of it was just, it was odd.

If you dig, it's nasty. There was a book. It's disgusting. But because these are advertisements, it's a way for all of us to advertise how outraged and amazing we are. Outrage marketing. Meanwhile, do I think these ads are disgusting? Of course. I think it's the fucking beginning of the sentence.

And we should be focused on the period, which is they exploit children to make all of this. cereal, all of these factories. They're also ran by fucking wild sex offenders down to everything that went. You guys are talking about. Now we're going to get mad at the ad. This is where we start becoming fucking amazing. So I've had a long week, guys. No, I get it.

I know. I've ruined this episode. I'm willing to do. No, you're doing this. You're not right. You've been doing great. No, you're completely right. This is, um, this is just another.

Thanks to the encouragement. Another notch on the, uh, the list of nasty shit from the, uh, fashion world, uh, and a lot of celebrities remaining quiet about it is very telling. Kim made a statement about her relationship with Blenciaga

basically saying she doesn't condone this but her she needs time to think about her relationship with the NBA Kyrie thing. She's going to give

Balenciaga some homework. They're going to fake complete the homework and then we're going to be like well look, it's okay now. They'll come back with a smoke and rollout

of Kim in all black. If Chris Brown tries to do the homework, he can't perform. I'm sorry. Just all of this is just fucking weird to me. Belenziaga files a $25 million lawsuit against producers of BDSM ad campaign.

That they approved. That they approved. Like get the fuck out of here, bro. This is like the AMA thing all over. It's like everybody's fighting to throw somebody else under the bus. Did the documentary. But now. Yeah.

So we obviously see what's going on here. We see what's happening. I think what's best is that none of us wear any of this ugly Balenciaga shit. You know what's killing me is, okay, granted, everybody in the industry is all sick and everybody's trying to throw everybody under the bus, whatever. the parents of these fucking children had to approve these photos before they went out, no?

No. Well, when you're dealing with a company as big as Balenciaga, you probably don't. No, these kids are signed to their model. So they're signed to modeling agencies and modeling agencies book them gigs. They show up to the shoot and shoot. It's not the parents aren't nearly as involved

as you think. These kids are pretty much more in contact with their agents. The parents aren't at this shoot. No, the parents are at the shoot in some area, but they're lucky if they even get a treatment. if you're a parent and you're like, yo, you're shooting a Balenciaga campaign. My kid booked a

Belantiaga campaign. They're not getting handed the shot list. No, no. They're lucky. They're lucky. They're lucky. Yeah, yeah. But this ain't even fly shit though. Like, let's just go a little deeper. It's not. Yeah, it's not even like no fly shit that they push in. Like, what is this shit? Like, I don't want to Belantiaga ball gag? No, I'm cool. Like, that shit is

like, what the fuck? Like, are we dead ass right now? Yeah, this is, I don't know. I feel like all the pedophiles that like run the world and this might be my conspiracy brain are just slowly but surely putting little things out here like now kind of just to normalize pedophilia like I feel like they're just trying to normalize it at this point like they're tired of hiding in the shadows and they just want to be pedophiles out in fucking person absolutely and they want to like how we've become kind of numb to like black violence when it comes to cops and shit like that like we see the videos we know that this is wrong but it doesn't strike such passion in our hearts anymore as much as it

used to because it doesn't bother you until it happens to you yeah because it's been normalized so much. We see so much of it on the internet. So I feel like at some point they're trying to do this, even as far as how much sex they're allowing on TVs, they're allowing on the internet. I don't know. It's just, the world is very weird. This is just something else now people outraged, right? And I guarantee we walk past the Belantiaga store two days before Christmas. It's going to be nothing with black people outside the store trying to buy this shit. The same way it was when everybody was outside of the Gucci store after Gucci said what they said. Motherfuckers were still lined up outside the Gucci store trying to buy shit. Like people don't really

people get on their apps and they type their outrage and they join in on the outrage and notice it da-da-da-da-da. But then y'all show up at these fucking malls and be right in the store buying out all of this shit. So it is what it is, man. I guess you can be outraged through words and you still go and spend your money. Or back to what Julian was saying with the AMAs, with them getting their outrage cancel shit to bring more attention to it. now I'm thinking about Balenciaga before Christmas it's holiday season definitely definitely outshined every other luxury brands as far as attention once they put the 50% off

yeah but the thing is you can lead with this get the get this bullshit campaign out the way but then you know Balenciaga has those basics that everyone wants so when you go to the story of like oh there's all this other great stuff that has nothing to do with this campaign that I'm comfortable buying and now it's and now it's 50% off because we know people are pissed off so now you can get the socks the hat the little things that aren't have nothing to do with this campaign, but it's now the attention on that. They've even excused themselves. They are outraged now are going to sue the third-party company that they hired to do this

thing that they approved and put out. Absolutely. That's sick. I've worked in advertising. The client is the final say. They are the one that puts it out. They will tell you to scrap anything. They will say, give the money back.

There's contracts. Like, the fact to sue the company you hired is insane. Some people are trying to blame the photographer, as if this was the photographer's... Like, the photographer chose what the fuck to do. Well, I mean, he maybe did, but it was approved by the client before they even shot anything. Something as big as Balenciaga, they have a creative director. They have like this had a whole treatment. But I'm telling you, the client has to approve even the treatment before they even shoot, before they get a budget.

Before anybody shows up in the room, this was approved. It was approved. It'll be children. This will be the props. This will be what it is. But hey, it'll be 50% off. Then they'll also send the whole fucking zip file of all the photos. They'll pick the ones they like.

They'll go back and post. They'll fix things. and then Valencia I'd be like, this is amazing. Let's put it out. All right, the Soul Train Awards happened. Another event that I had no idea was going on, but I don't know what the fuck is going on anymore. Yeah, you're just not tapped in.

I'm not tapped in. I'm going to get tapped in now. Dionne Cole hosted it. I caught his new comedy special on Netflix. Oh, is it? Great job. Dionne Cole was really, really funny. I've always fucked with Dionne Cole.

So Dionne Coe hosted the Soul Train Awards. Beyonce cleaned up is what I'm being told. So Beyonce, cleaned up the Soul Train Awards with a dance album. Not to say dance doesn't have soul in it, but you know what? Forget it. The Soul Train is a dance show. I'm aware, but the awards do try to focus on real soul music.

I know the Soul Train show was for dance. But the awards we know are mostly focused on soul music. Soulful. I get it. And I just think an electronic dance album that has soul to it. it. Don't get me wrong. Doesn't mean it should clean up at the awards, no. Was Beyonce there? I think this was her way of trying to get her to go. No. I think we wouldn't know that Beyonce was there. She cleaned up at the AMAs too in the R&B category and shouldn't have done that either.

I mean, I felt that way with the Grammy nominations for a lot of the stuff. The Grammy nominations, we know, was just a complete. Oh, also, I meant to clean this up. Drake, neither Drake nor the weekend submitted for Grammy consideration. That's why they didn't have any nominations. Oh, okay. Good for them. So they're, Drake is still nominated.

It's a lifelong protest. But he's like he's nominated as a feature. He has like seven nominations, some shit like eight nominations, something like that. Because future submitted. That's why. Either way, Drake is winning. I mean, I'm not saying we have to go through every single category, but. Beyonce won the big award, big awards.

Was this last Jasmine Sullivan album counted in this Soul Train Awards? Or was the last one? I don't know. I believe it still holds because she did the deluxe, no? Does that not count as a... Yeah, the deluxe should count. Well, that doesn't mean I think your album should be re-put-in.

It's check and see if it was nominated if she went against it. But all of the... But she won Best R&B sole female artist. As she should have. Not mad at that at all. Chris Brown won Best Army Soul male artist. I still think Ari's album should be in the Soul Train Awards no matter what I agree with you on that

Did she said did her album come out in time again I don't I didn't watch this so I don't think so I think it might have come out Best New Artist of course Tim's video of the year smoking out the window Silk Sonic not mad at that Yeah I'm not mad at that Alam of the year Renaissance Beyonce song of the year break my soul Get like this is the Soul Train Awards Song of the year is Break My Soul.

Y'all have to give me a fucking break here. Like, are you serious? The word soul is in it. The soul's in it. So it's like, break my soul. Break my soul. So it's like, break my soul. So, she wrote it for the awards.

Soul song and R&B songs. All of those songs should have went to Money Long. She was extremely robbed for all of these awards. You think that money long should have won song of the year over Beyonce. Oh for when you're talking about R&B and soul songs? Yes. Break my soul should not win. No, but I'm saying.

No, but I'm saying. Okay. That's fine. I'm with you on that. But you think that money long. should have won that. Definitely a contender. Well, she's definitely a stronger contender than break my soul.

I'm not saying the song is... Can I see the nominations for song of the year? I'm not saying that the song is better. That's not what I'm saying. But we're talking about the Soul Train Awards. And we're also talking about... I'm also referring to the AMAs, R&B Song of the Year. Yeah.

That song took over everything. Like... I feel you. Like... Listen, what can go anywhere without hearing that fucking song for months. Song of the year. About damn time. Lizzo, bad habit, Steve Lacey,

break my soul. Good morning, gorgeous. Hours and hours. Hours and hours. Last, last. Pressure was a number one record. Yeah. And it's a soulful song by a soulful artist.

Yeah, I'm not mad at pressure. I told everybody that they won't break your soul. No, she's trying to break down the soul. Yeah. And obviously, it can't just be a, it's not just about soul or R&B music because Burner Boy's last last is fucking nominated, which is the best.

breakup song. But it has soul in it, though. It's the soul. Whatever. It's the soul that's in the artist and then the song. You know what I mean? Wait, would that say best new artist, Steve Lacey? Yes.

They're saying anything. Oh, Dixon's on here. Dixon's on here. Dixon's on here. say it's still a new artist? Yeah. To the masses, yes. By award show standards, for sure.

Steve Lacey, by award show standards, is not a new artist. Here are the other albums for against Beyonce's Renaissance. Like, give me a fucking break. You're telling me that Jasmine Sullivan didn't win that. All right. Ignore my face and my complexion and Mary Jay's legacy. What's going on, bro? What the fuck is going on?

She's cleaning up in the Grammy. I'm saying nomination-wise. cleaning up nomination-wise in the Grammys and Soul Train Awards. I understand, I'm too scared to say it. I get it. You guys are too scared to say it. I'm not. Look at my face.

I understand I should not be the one saying it. I know Mary's legacy. She's the queen. She deserves everything. I know my complexion. Why is she getting nominated for all of this shit? Because she's Mary J. Blige. That's all I got for.

It's literally name recognition. It's the algorithm. The album was good, but it's... I'm not saying it wasn't either. No, I liked the album. I wouldn't have thought it would clean up in nominations in the Grammys and the Soul Train Awards. It wasn't that fucking good.

That hotel's album was incredible. It was one of the best R.B. albums of the decade. It deserves everything. It deserves everything. It does. Also, Brent should have won that. All right.

Is Mary Jay's shit better than Lucky Days album? No. Is it better than Brent's album? No. Is it better than Xavier Omar's EP? No. No. She won this.

Mary Jay won this certified. It's Mary Jay. Is it better than P.J. Morton's album? No. Not even close. Oh, so. I get it. Mary's a shit.

I know it sucks that we have to do because it sounds like we're shitting on, well, I'm sorry. Just me. You guys are being quiet. No, no. I'm, I'm agreeing with you. I'm just letting you get your shit. So the Ashford and Simpson songwriters award, they gave to hours and hours by Money

long, right? They gave her that award. But you're telling me, she's one of the best writers out. And that song is one of the, I'm just, whatever, I think she was robbed. Who won best dance performance? Not Chris. Not Chris. Wait, Liz, I'm sorry. I can't. I'm not going to say anything. I haven't seen Lizzo dance. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not at Lizzo winning that. I think they're talking about best dance song performance. Like best. That says best dance performance. That WIS Kid and Chris Brown record is crazy. When they say best dance performance, they're not literally talking about.

That might be one of the best songs of the year that called me everyday shit. Best collaboration. Make me say it again, girl. Ronald Osley and Osley. Wait, why is it, Ronald Ozzy? You guys are going to make me shit on Mary Jay even more. I never thought the day were coming. I don't care if we keep this.

That Mary J. Blodge song with DJ Khalid, amazing. It's fucking terrible. It's one of the worst fucking songs I've ever heard my life. I think we spoke about that record on the show when it came out. I hate that. Best collaboration? All right. If Mary has been snubbed back in the day,

then I'm fine with all of this. Like the way Nause deserves more Grammys, even if he doesn't deserve it for the albums that they are, he got snubbed when he deserved them. So I'm not mad at it. If that's what this is for Mary, I'm with all of it. But fam.

Amazing was one of the worst songs I've ever heard. That amazing record is, I don't know why they tried to auto tune Mary. Jay Blige at this point of her career. That just made, who called that? Best collaboration for the Soul Train Awards, where we could like finally give credit to some good music. Chow.

Half the people that are supposed to be nominated aren't even nominated. Like, people who actually deserve to be nominated are not nominated. And I get it. It's uncomfortable. Chris Brown should not have won. Look at my face. I know it's uncomfortable. I understand.

I get it. I'm fully aware that I should not be the one saying this. I should mind my fucking. in business, I get it. I'm just speaking up for what's fucking right. That's right, Rory. You think Simply Red should have won? Speak for what's right for the whites. Why Post Malone did not clean up in every

fucking category is beyond me. Yeah, I'm shaking with outrage that Machine Gun Kelly was nominated. Shaking with outrage. Best Army sold. Yeah, best Army sold. Yeah. There's no way that Machine Gun Kelly is not. Thurnaboy is R&B and Soul? Yeah. You ain't know that? Okay. All right, cool.

They got this shit. Did Brent win in that category? No. Chris Brown won. Chris. He's not even nominated. Oh shit, I'm sorry. We're looking at Best R&B sole male artist.

And Chris Brown 1 over Brent Fires. Chris Brown was pretty good. But with Lucky Day, PJ, Givion, and Brent in that category, Chris Brown should not have won't. Like, we fucking for real. Yeah. What did Charlie Wilson do this year? And I love Uncle Charlie.

That's not even Charlie Wilson. That is Charlie. That's why I laughed. That is Uncle Charlie. Wait. No, what's that? What did you sing? Sing it again?

Shududu-D-O-D-O-Jones. No, who do you think Dono-Jones got that from? Charlie Wilson is the first one to do the shitt-d-d-d-do-re. Okay, my best. You don't know that? This shud-do-d-d-d-d-be. Yeah, that's Uncle Charlie, I'm young, man. Wait, what did Charlie release?

I just told you. You're not listening. Anyway, soul train. Y'all need to hire. What's a song did Charlie do that on? A bunch of songs. Like when he was with a... From Gapman, yeah.

From Gapin? Absolutely. I'm white. See, this is why my face shouldn't be given... Why didn't you guys stop me when I was talking shit about Mary J? Now look at me. We let you say... Talking about Donnell Jones.

Yeah. And fucking Uncle Charlie. Atlantic was... They found out that Atlantic was scandling some numbers. So they was faking some numbers. Julian, you were behind him. They got caught because Julian left Atlantic. Yeah.

Julian knew what the fuck was going on the whole time. Atlantic, we know what y'all doing over there with them numbers. He was the wool. of 6th Avenue. That's nasty. That's so nasty. Except he didn't say, fuck it, I'm not leaving.

I'm not leaving. Atlantic, we know what the fuck y'all doing over there in that building. Like every label. It's not exclusive to you. It's not just a label. I'm not going to see you at an

Atlantic. Every label does it. Yeah. All right. All right. You all just got cold numbers. You got paid somebody and they leaked it.

Kanye, Jay, and and Beyonce were at the same restaurant. I don't know why people care about this type of shit? I do. You care about that? Yeah, if they were in an intimate restaurant, what was said?

Mindy business. That's true. So yeah, Jay, Vionthe, and Kanye were here. They were in a restaurant and they had a great meeting. You know what's funny about this? They probably didn't even know Kanye was coming there. They probably didn't even know Kanye was. That's what I'm saying.

Like a user bomber here. Well, anyone trying to be inconspicuous with their hood up, but with those boots on in Los Angeles. This is just, there's nobody. You're trying to be sick. If Hyatt is the only person wearing those boots in Los Angeles, I can guarantee you that. Nobody else is wearing those boots. Yeah, man. All right, guys.

I guess that's it. We'll be back later on this week. Apologies if I completely ruined this episode. It's okay, man. It's been a rough week. White men have ruined this country for years. It's okay. You're just doing your part.

Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving. Lechheim, Terori's 3% Jewish outside. Again, we're in Seattle, December 9th at the Neptune. Theater. Get your tickets now. And LA at the Regent Theater, December 14th. Who you bring it out? And then we are in Boston at the Wilba. Sunday, December 18th to end this tour.

Just can't wait to get away from you guys. I don't want to see your fucking face, Rory. Our merch is 25% off for the rest of the week. Once it's gone, that's it. You won't see those pieces again. So get it. We'll get the fuck out the way. Period. Okay.

I like it. York Friday. Hey. Live show. Hey. Sony Hall. Sold out. Once again.

Going crazy. All right, man. I'm getting out of it. We're going to have an after party. You're going to go crazy at the show? We're shaking ass. What? We're shaking ass.

Where? The after party. At the live show. Fuck the after party. I was going to say it's live show. We'll shake some ass. After party. Shake some more ass.

Just shake your ass. Who gives a fuck? World dying anyway. Crazy special guest malls bringing out. you never know who's going to pop up Don't tell the people that There's going to be no guess Because mall doesn't go anywhere

I don't bring nobody nobody Yeah you never know You never know You never know my sweetie that would be great Or his sweetie Yeah you're sweetie Yeah Listen it's been a wonderful episode

Man I want to thank y'all for listening To this audio journey This audio experience of just a cluster Fuck of bullshit In a room full of people that just Want to just talk and say shit That's just been on their minds all week and then she deserted you.

I stole that from Saha. I stole that from Saha. In the episode. Cleaned up. I forgot why I hate DeMaris. I just now. I forgot. I totally forgot.

I was like, I love the marriage. I was like, I love DeMars. And I'm like, this is why I hate the Mast. That right there. We'll be back next, the end of this week to talk to y'all. Talk some more shit. Until then be safe. I'm that nigger.

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