New Rory & MAL - Episode 128 | Gaslighting & China Mac On Robbing Kanye

Episode Date: December 20, 2022

Chances are you’ve been gaslighting someone this year or have been gaslit. “Gaslight” has been named the official word of the year…because of women, and Rory. We discuss the signs and how to avoid or properly execute it. Actually, turns out we’re all guilty. Gaslighting sounds like nothing compared to what happened to this girl’s best friend and her man. Rory shares a relatively similar story. Side note, would you let your girl get in bed with her male best friend? Speaking of stiffies, a fourth crypto-billionaire has been found dead. Luckily Rory and Mal still haven’t received their crypto. The second half of this episode we sat down with China Mac. He discusses his past arrests, his incredible rebrand, viral moments, and even his robbery attempt on Kanye. Listen as the guys discuss all of this + more!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No, you make a sandwich out of that. Okay, no, because I've seen people eat it. That's how you eat it. Cereal killer shit. See what I'm saying? That's not eating cereal. with the milk on the side. Let me wash it down with the milk.

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For some reason, twice a week. We just keep coming back. We're here. I keep showing up outside your door. Keep ringing your bell. And for some reason, you keep letting me in. We're such a great guy. Yeah.

Thank you. We are here to talk about, I guess, some things that we've been meaning to talk about. We're using today to kind of cover some topics that we had. Really important issues. Really important issues in the world. We're not talking about Trump. Don't worry about it. That's not an issue.

But we were informed. You love that Nick kid, don't you? Yeah, I love him. The what kid? Love him. Nick Fiazza. Excuse me? Nick Fiazza.

whatever's name is. How is that? I don't know. Oh, you guys aren't up to date. I thought you were talking my Nick Cannon. To what, Kanye's new political advisor that thinks the Holocaust wasn't real. He's like 24?

Never mind. You guys aren't up to date on political stuff. Is that the guy that was sitting down with him on Info War? Yeah. With the Yeezy Gap hoodie, the blue on him? That kid. Okay. Yeah, so we've been informed that

gaslighting, Rory, the word that we've heard and we've probably laughed at a few times, has been named the word of the year. And I think that's women's fault. I think it's fully women's fault. Talk about it. Gaslighting is at an all-time high with women. They're encouraged in these rap lyrics to gaslight us men. That's why it's the number one word in here.

That's right. And that's why we need to censor just women in music. So gaslighting is mind-manipulating, grossly misleading, downright deceitful. That's what gaslighting means? So I look what meant to me. No, that's not the actual term. definition. Okay, well, that's a street definition. That sounds like a Cardi B rap.

So many people use gaslighting wrong. Like on the internet, I hate seeing it. I think that's gaslighting right there. Gaslight. To manipulate someone by psychological means into questioning their own sanity. Yes, we've all know. We all know people that are gaslighters. Look at the search history of this word over the years. Look at the sentence they use in the first episode, Karen Valentine is being gaslighted by her husband. First of all, Webster is a sick dude. And you want to know why this word is really sick because I guarantee you in the 1850s when they were searching that word, they weren't talking about this.

It was how electricity was like. Yeah, they were literally trying to light the house or the fucking farm. Yeah. Like, definitely weren't talking about this term of manipulation and psychological warfare. But you know, I'm sure Thomas Jefferson or whoever created the electricity. He was trying to gaslight those hos with electricity. Thomas Jefferson. What was his name?

Thomas Edison. Thomas Edison. Thomas Jefferson was the president, right? Sure. Yeah. Allegedly. Allegedly. Were you there?

Wasn't he on a, he was on a $20 bill, right? Thomas Jefferson. That's a $20 bill, right? Oh, I haven't seen a $20 bill in so long. Oh. You still touch those? Yeah. But you know, you know Edison was probably trying to gaslight the hose when he made electricity.

Yeah. Gaslight the hose when he made electricity. Ten signs. Can you scroll up a little bit of Julian's? I'm sorry. 10 signs of gaslighting in a relationship, Roy, so we're going to go through this and see if you've ever been a victim, okay?

All right. Number one, lying about or denying someone and refusing to admit the lie even when you show them proof. Definitely done that before. Sure. I've probably done that before. Okay.

Number two, insisting that an event or behavior you witnessed never happened and that you're remembering it wrong. I've done that, but I was telling the truth. Like, I wasn't gaslighting. They just misremembered what was... They were trying to gaslighting. They were trying to gaslight me.

Got you. When I was saying that never happened, you're remembering. Oh, you were the victim. Okay, got you. So, no, I'm, what, I'm 50%? 50% right now? Yeah. I'm one for two.

One for two. Spreading rumors and gossip about you or telling you that the other, what, or telling you that other people are gossiping about you. That's weird. It's very Shakespearean. Yeah. If you think about it, right, if you break it out. It's very McAvelian.

Yeah. Start a rumor. I thought you about you said. It's very McLemorian. Number four, changing the subject. Best rap. Or refusing to listen when confronted about a lie or other gaslighting behavior. Oh, my God.

I'm two for four. Yeah. I've done that. Yeah. Fuck. I'm really good at change the subject. What do you usually change the subject to? I don't know.

Something lighthearted or something worse? Yeah. Who's playing? Something they did? Something they did for sure. Oh, shit. I forgot to set my fantasy lineup. Did I leave the oven on?

No, definitely not that. Yeah. Number five. Telling you that you're overreacting when you call them out. We've all. We've all done that. Yeah. Yeah, but like they were overreacting.

All right. Three for five. Yeah. Okay, all right, and Julian's defense, though, what if they are overreacting? That's not gaslighting. Sometimes people can be overreacting, but you can't stir the pot on somebody, and then when they have a reaction to you stirring the pot, then it's, whoa, you're overreacting. Why are you yelling?

Yeah, I'm shaking. First of all, that's A1 gaslighting, and I should be given an award for that. Yeah. All right, so I'm three for five. When you say stir the pot, I only think of, like, the dildo pot now. Oh, okay. You need some help. Number six, blame shifting in relationships, saying that if you acted differently,

they wouldn't treat you like this. That's crazy. So it's really your fault. That sounds toxic. Oh, this is definitely, Roar. Look at the various of his face. No, break it down. Read it again, Roy.

Read out loud. I was trying to, you know, the font. My eyes. I'm saying that, all right, hold on. Why is it gas lighting, though? Because if they acted different, I would treat them different. Yo, you can't do that. No, this is gaslighting on me.

Yeah. That's gaslighting. Hold on, no, no, no, no, no. This is gaslighting on me. You just lit yourself. You just let yourself. You spill the kerosy. Okay.

So, hypothetically, if I'm dating someone and I tell them, that I would treat them differently had they not treated me a certain way I'm wrong yes yeah why so so I think what you're missing so I'm allowed to be treated anyway for the fuck of it

you're nice you guys are gaslighting me I'm the gaslitin person that's what we're talking about this is all for examples of gas lit in if you're only saying this to cover I'm gas latin like if you treat your significant other like shit and you're like see you or if you hit them and it's like I hate that you make me hit you why do you

all right now you're taking it too I didn't mean it like that at all absolutely I'm clearing it up for you that's never mind I don't know three for six yeah yeah absolutely all right number seven I definitely don't do that number seven trying to smooth things over with loving words that don't match their actions you know what time it is my that's my shit yeah I'm number seven I'm gonna be honest that's not gas like that's street smart yeah that's that's cold macking if you ask me

I got game What you want me to tell you? Number eight Twisting a story to minimize their abusive behavior Alright define abusive Yeah I'm not an abusive Define twisting Anyways

What I want to do to your fucking neck Every time I see you Number nine Minimizing their hurtful behaviors Or words by saying something like It was just a joke Or you're way too sensitive Or fuck you funny to me

That is Rory Number nine Oh wait, hold on In my defense In my defense You're not defend yourself What if it was a joke And what if they are way too sensitive

And What if it was funny to me Listen, you're right I'm not arguing with you I'm not gaslighting them I truly believe it was just a joke I truly believe they are way too sensitive And I truly believe

It was funny to me Right I'm telling the truth. I love the fact how they have this know the fact. 74% of female victims of domestic violence also experienced gaslighting from their partner or ex-partner, according to the National Domestic Violence Hotline. Who studies this? This one through 10, wait, maybe I'm gaslighting right now.

Because I'm putting it on them. Women do it too. Oh, no. Listen, number 10. Separating you from friends and family who might recognize your gaslighting abuse symptoms. That's pretty bad. I wouldn't even know how to do that. That's crazy.

You're on a different level if you could separate, Shorty, from her friends and family. That's L. You're not going out tonight. I'm cooking. No, that's not. You're talking to your mom right now? You're hanging phone. That's not what it means.

That's not what it means. It doesn't literally mean physically separating them. That's not what it means. What does it mean? It means where men will be like, your fucking friends, where they're sent up their complaining to their friends about you. So you sit up there talking to your fucking friends and your friends is all fucking single.

They don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Now she's not comfortable going to her friends, telling her friends anymore that you're walking her like a dog because she keeps staying with you. Okay. What if in fact her friends are single and don't know what the fuck is. And this is my worst. I'm this side of it.

There he goes. See, audio shots are there. All right. Is it gaslighting if it's not true? What if it's true? That's not gaslighting. That's not gaslighting. I think this is within the assumption that all of these things are.

Gosh. That you're manipulating. The manipulation is the biggest thing about gaslight. Because I've dated a lot of women that have really shitty friends. Yes. That I may have said, not just in our disagreements, just in life in their decision making. Yes. That you should probably stay away from the most.

But if you're, but see, that's not gaslighting. Gaslighting. Oh, yes. If your bitch's, if your bitch's friend caught you at the club with a bitch and she called her friend and said, yo, your man was at a club with a bitch. Sounds really specific. Yeah. You have a lot of specific examples here.

Anyway, your man was at a club with a bitch. And then when she comes to you and say, hey, so-and-so saw you at the club with a girl. Do you want to explain yourself? And you get all angry and was like, and you fucking believe her. That bitch not even really your friend. This, this and that. You're not talking about that.

Why are she in the club? We're talking about you getting caught. But I'm not talking about me getting caught. I'm talking about that girl as a friend to you. Yeah. And she's an Aquarius. You can never trust her. And why she hate her?

And why she at the club? Why didn't she invite you to the club? That's not a good friend. Oh, Mike. I'm in a room full of, yeah. And why she got eyes? Why don't that bitch mind her business? Why she got eyes and sit?

Why she got eyes. Close your eyes when you see me out with my other bitch. Right? That's not me. Yeah. How to tell them.

And why was you in my section didn't pay nothing? You got broke-ass friends. Yeah. How to tell if someone is gaslighting you and eroding your mental health. She's trying to fuck me too, babe. It says,

having trouble making even simple decisions. Now wait. Wait, hold on. I can't, I have trouble making simple decisions sometimes. That's how to tell if someone is gaslighting you and eroding your mental. Nobody is eroding my mental health.

Sometimes I just can't decide if I want Italian or fucking Japanese. Context is key. Like, why are y'all playing doofy. Oh, my bad. I'm sorry. The most damaging gaslighting abuse symptoms are the ones that take root in a victim's mind and begin to wear away at their self-worth and trust in themselves. Here are some of the mental health consequences of being gaslit. Having trouble making even simple decisions, making excuses for your partner's behavior to family or friends.

Can you explain this better to me, DeMaris? This is saying if they have trouble making simple decisions about me or? No, if they have trouble like, make, like, you've made them feel like if you keep to tell them, you stupid, you stupid. You stupid. You have a problem trusting themselves. This is saying you may be a gaslight victim if you are experiencing any of these symptoms. Yeah. Okay.

Making excuses for your partner's behavior to family or friends. I've been gaslit. Constantly second-guessing yourself. Oh, man. You don't even know her. I stay lit. Laming yourself for the way the other person treats you. Trying to convince yourself that their behavior isn't really that bad.

Walking on eggshells around the other person. believing that you are too sensitive. What if she's too sensitive? Yeah. Questioning your own feelings, judgments, and observations. I mean, they stay questioning everything. Feeling lonely and trapped. Doubting your own memory and sanity.

Now, I've doubted my own memory. This just sounds like growing up in an Irish household. Yeah, this sounds like growing up in America. Staying silent rather than speaking up about what you think or believe. Being on edge and feeling threatened all the time. Starting to believe what the gas lighter tells you about yourself that you are a crazy. or stupid?

What if you're being crazy and stupid? Yeah, that's true. Thinking you can't do anything right and feeling disappointed in who you have become. Well, what if your decision making should make you feel that way? No, there's no accountability with gas later. At all. It sounds like a bunch of people that will not take accountability for their actions. At all.

Spending a lot of time apologizing for your actions. I hate people that don't apologize for their actions. I do too. That's a real problem, though. Like, when you don't apologize for your actions, and I don't like to tell people They should apologize. I just wait for it. Like, why don't you just apologize?

You're asking for apologies. You can't ask for an apology. I'm not asking for an apology. If you just never, if it never happens or the person never gives it, it's like, all right, cool. And I hate people that apologize too much. Like, now you're just kind of diluting the apology. You just be apologizing. You just be saying sorry.

A study of 250 young adults found that abuses who gaslit their partners also exhibited high levels of emotional detachment, impulsivity, and risk-taking and antisocial behaviors. So basically, gaslighters are sociopaths. 250 is like that's like a corner in New York City. Like that's not a lot of people. It's not.

I'm not judging. Like this whole study off 250. Stats are stupid because typically stats are from like one focus group. Yeah. Of a bunch of idiots that just wanted a free lunch. Roy does hate data. Yeah. Data is pretty trash though.

You guys say data, not data? Data. Data. Data. You can say data or data. Depending on what part of the Mason Dixon you're from. That's true. That's true.

Um, listen, who is Mason and Dixon? Mason, well, if you remember the great legend Anthony Mason for the New York Knicks, rest in peace. I thought he was about to give us a real fact. I hate him. Myths of the Mason Dixon line. The Mason Dixon line named for shit. Charles Manson and Charles Mason. And Jeremiah.

And Jeremiah. I love his new record. I didn't know he had anything to do with the Mason Dixon. Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon, the men who surveyed boundaries between Maryland and Pennsylvania is known as the dividing line between north and the south. I'm sure both of them were very progressive gentlemen that believe in the equality of everybody in America. In north and the south.

Sometimes I'm sure that line meant nothing, but we should all be equal. Exactly. I think shit like this happens from two guys being out and they just drew a line and the same, all right, said, this is the north, this is the south. You just happen to be there first? Yeah, like, y'all was just there. It's like, why do we believe these guys? Who are these guys from the 1760s?

They're Jerry and Charles. Listen, I'm stupid, but. Maryland is not like the middle to divide. No. It's mad north. They have maps. Yeah.

Well, if you are victim of a gaslighting, don't let nobody gaslight you. Fuck these gaslighters. I feel gaslit off this article. I like this last one. Don't try to argue with a gaslighter. Gaslighting is not a rational behavior. And gaslighting will not respond to logic

or admit their true motivation. If a pardon and friend or colleague turns a conversation into an opportunity to insult you or question your sanity or ability, away from discussion and the relationship of pot. This sounds very familiar, Rory. It just sounds like they have a good sense of humor. Opportunity to insult your question or your sanity.

Oh, yeah, y'all should know enough about y'all. Y'all should definitely know about gas lighting. Oh, here we go. Oh, I know a lot about it. Well, Mall, I think we should practice trusting ourselves again. I think so, too. Does it like a... No, the whole point was that we trusted ourselves.

I was like, nah. And I did not doubt myself at one time at all. not once oh man fuck you gaslighters well I feel like everybody has gas lit oh I've definitely gaslit before

of course you're a huge gaslighter well I know you're a huge gaslighter why can you think of an example that you watched me gaslight before no because you're a gaslighter too though I've gas lit but I'm not a gaslighter what the fuck does that you get me that's not one of those people that's like

that right there is gaslighting I've stolen but I'm not a thief yeah I've stolen I've lied but I'm not a liar exactly like I voted but I'm not a politician this could be gaslighting but I agree with Damaris. I've gas lit, but I don't think I'm a gas lighter.

All right, well, then what's the, how many times? No, no, why do you say you know I'm a huge gaslighter? I didn't say, why is Moabick now?

Because I can tell. That ain't, see, that's not enough. I can tell. I think you have really, I think you have really unique gaslighting things that weren't on this list.

I think your nonchalantness is like a head game for a lot of, yeah. You'd be pretending you don't care to confuse them. Like, that's your type of gaslight. Or I don't care.

Mine is saying, Mine is like, hey, you're stupid and you're crazy. Damn. Like the list. Okay. But malls, I can tell malls is more like, like, you know the list. Roy wrote the list. Mall is the type where you can do something to cause an emotional reaction out of me.

And then if the girl emotionally reacts, you send up there like, yo, why you're tripping? Yeah, you're not even my girl. Yeah. Look at mom's face. Yeah. That's big facts. You're not my girl. Big gas.

Big gas. Why are you tripping? Big gas. Turn the stove up. Are you kidding me? Call Connedity. But I will say this though. I'm not, I don't lead.

One thing I have never done, I don't leave women or I don't have women in. You don't actively lead women on. No, I don't. No, I don't at all. Like, we have conversations about what this is, what this isn't. I'm very clear. What women don't like about me is they feel like in their minds if they fuck on me and date me long enough that my emotions or my feelings will change and will end up like in a serious relationship. And then when it doesn't, I'm a piece of shit.

But I told you from the gate, it wasn't, I wasn't looking for that. It sounds like gasoline. No, but if I tell you from the gate, I don't want a relationship. I don't want a commitment, a committed relationship. And then you think that because we've just been dating or fucking for like three, four months that my emotions would change. And it doesn't, that doesn't make me a bad guy. No, that's their hopes because you're doing the things that lead to a relationship. And then they are convincing themselves that that's what's in fact happening.

And they don't remember that first conversation you had in the first link. We're like, maybe it's coming around. And then you're like, sight. Kind of, yeah. I think you should keep. I think you should probably remind them that, hey, this isn't a thing. Check in every week. Yeah, for the beginning.

But then that makes you really ask. Yeah, like, yo, we just have fun tonight, but, yo, you know you not my girl, right? After you know, like, yo, just whatever. I just want to remind you. Yeah, like, yo, you're not my girl. You know that, right? Like, you're not in a commitment. You can go fuck somebody else.

Like, who does that? That's how fucked up. Yeah, more people than you think. That's fucking sick. Would you prefer that? Would I prefer that? Yeah. I like, I like clarity to the point where it's painful.

Like, I want you to be as clear as possible. Because she loves pain and that makes her like the guy more. No. She's attracted to chaos. No, it's because I'll start to like live in a, fantasy and I need no be very clear like I don't want any type of misclear okay but even if I'm not super clear the way we just said like yo we not together after I nut type of shit why do I have to live up to this fantasy you created in your fucking head why is that my responsibility I never said you

had to live up to it how many times if I say I'm not doing nothing but just because I don't remind you every other month and I happen to like to cuddle now I'm responsible for your fucking fantasy we don't fantasize like that we're dudes I fantasize about her leaving Oh, yo, she left right now. I get a good eight hours. I remember a girl asked me after we had sex. She's like, yo, would you be mad if I leave right now? I said, would I be mad.

I would fucking love you if you left right now. Please go. I love the fact that she asked that like, yo, would you be upset if I left right now? I was like, no. But see, go when you must. And that's why I ask for clarity because even the, I have so many male friends. So, and I work with y'all. So, like, even hearing that.

that you could be laying in the bed with somebody wishing they would leave. Tell me to get the fuck out. Tell me to get the fuck out. I would rather you tell me to get the fuck out, then you'd be sitting up there, oh, I wish this bitch of leave. Tell me to get the fuck out, please.

Have you ever been in a situation? Let's not even act like we're super... I'm not that much of the asshole. I think a lot of times the guy doesn't want to be rude. And we've talked about this bad times. I've never been the guy. I'm not good at saying get out. Like, I've never been that guy.

I'm not good at it. I'm pussy. I'm corny. I think there's been plenty of times where the woman wanted to leave, but she didn't want to feel weird. Like, yeah, it's both of us wanting to be alone, yet we don't want to tell the other person. And the girl doesn't want to look like the hoe that's just fucked.

And it's like, well, I'm going to leave now and thinking I'm going to look at her weird. Meanwhile, in my head, that would be the most attractive thing ever because I know now we can coexist. Because I just want to lay by myself for a second. She's like, would you be mad if I left? No, we're actually moving into a relationship now. I love you. You're my girlfriend. Now I know you like a lone time.

I knew I loved you. You got to get off. Before you even like beat or like get the nut off, you have to get like lay the seeds prior and say, hey, like I have. What is this brunch or I have a breakfast? I know where he's going. I've had niggas do that. No, but that was my go to. You don't even got to do that.

No, but my mom's coming over early in the morning. Yo, you don't even got to do all that. I'm not even joking. The first time I started saying it was true. Like I actually had something. I was like, wait a minute. This could just be a universal go to. And it's just, it's way easier to be like, hey, like before anything happens, like I have to get up early.

I have to go to this or like I got a flight to catch. I have to get coffee with my family. Like something's happening in the morning early for me. I have to get coffee with my family. That was funny. My cousins and I in New York, we do a cousin's brunch like once a month. Yeah, no, I feel you. Yeah.

And it just happened to be the night before. It was every time. It was that authentic brunch. And then every other time. And then it was good. And you're like, yeah, we're moving it to twice a month now. All right. So tell me about this woman fucking on top of a man thing, DeMaris.

Okay. So there was a thing that went viral on Twitter where a girl was cursing her friend out on Twitter because she said her, the scenario was her and her best friend of years and her man all were at her man and hers house. I guess the couple lived together and their best friend came over and they all like got drunk, right? They were drinking. They're all friends. They were drinking. At some point, the girl got really drunk and went to her bedroom. Her friend walked her to her bedroom. She blacked out, whatever, whatever. She woke up to her best friend and her man like fucking on top of her but like saying like telling her to wake up type

shit so when she like got her bearings about her she just starts swinging on them and they like basically like yo you drunk like what's like basically they were like yo you're trying to set up the threesome and she was like I would have never went for some shit like that we never did anything like that before I feel like y'all I'd be sneaky okay they tried to wake her up midfug two honest people she she's the gas lighter yeah so she she tweets uh big lit you got in my bed on top of my lifeless limp drunk body by my boyfriend literally on top of me.

I'm so drunk I can barely move as is definitely not with a bitch on top of me. The second I gather myself I swung on both of them. The fuck? He talked about I thought it was a threesome. I thought this was what you wanted. Because why did she come get in our bed and do what she did?

Nigel what? When have I ever been on that? Be for real. She laid in the bed right after me. I had no clue she was in my bed until I rolled over. I'm in shock like, huh, Ariana, what are you doing here? Yeah, so basically she likes... Oh, there's text messages.

Oh, yeah, let me read the text messages. Oh, gas lights in here. See, word of the year. Oh, this is, she was texting her friend telling her what happened. And she starts trying to gaslight me and saying, Naya, I'm always good to you. I'm your only friend. Why would you punch me?

Even right now I'm hungover, but I'm livid. My blood is boiling. I remember vividly and very clearly what the fuck they did in front of my face. And I tried my best to record, considering I was drunk. That's what the 19 second video is. Because people will try to love. lie as if drunk means retarded.

He says, get your slow ass up, gang, while walking in butt ass naked with her. And you can hear when I fall. Jordan, I will literally beat them both out of their sleep, right? I'm telling you right now. And her firm was like, nay, are you sure? Are you sure? Like she dreamt this? The next one.

That's gaslighting. There's another screenshot that comes. Get your slow ass up, gang. Oh, yeah, she said, like, she said, so who initiated him or her? And she's like, her, she laid in our bed. He was waking me up to have sex. She heard me declining and then starts assisting him and tapping me to wake me up. He has his dick out.

She starts sucking it. And after she's already sucking it, says, Naya, do you want me to do this? And I'm paralyzed. Literally can't move or say a word. Back up. So I do understand where he's saying he thought it was a threesome because why would your girlfriend just be comfortable coming and getting in the bed with us

if y'all didn't talk about this? So I do understand where the guys coming from. Thought it was a threesome. I'm going to push the female agenda here. They probably both are all out drinking, whatever, you know. As I often do on this podcast. I'm going to defend women. Okay.

If you're in a relationship, you do have some understanding about especially your girls' thoughts about other women. Yes. Coming into the relationship, especially if it's a friend too. Yes. Because I've been with women that are with the threesome, but never with one of her friends. I've been with the woman that wants to bring the friend in, but it's the threesome friend. It's not really her friend friend. Right.

You know. Like, you have some. type of knowledge if your girl is down with that or not. This sounds like everybody was drunk, his girl fell asleep, and it was the hoey friend, and they found an excuse. He was just trying to beat. That's where I think this was. I don't think anyone got confused on the threesome.

But let him tell it. We don't know. Maybe before she passed out, they was fucking touching each other making out for all I know. Oh, he's a gas lighter. I figured him out. Yeah. Fuck the friend in the bed with your girl so you can say I thought it was a threesome to get that off because it's like I'm not sneaking. I'm actually doing it right in front of you.

Knowing that she's super fucking drunk. And like, like Rory said, you know if your girl is into women. You know if your girl would even like, you proposition that to your man before you even proposition it to your friend. I think he was beaten and she woke up and they scrambled and was like threesome. Yeah. That's how I think this went. Yeah. I haven't been in a similar situation, but I have been in the situation where it was supposed to be a threesome and the girl, the other girl got too drunk and passed out and woke up in the middle of us fucking and was upset that like we didn't wake her up or like we did that without her. So she was with it. No, it was, it was, we all knew that's what was going to happen. But I had not had sex with either of them, but we knew

that that was what it was. And one of the girls got too drunk and she was upset even the next morning when she sobered up that we did that without her because it was agreed that the three of us were going to fuck rather than just one on one. Did you run? Did you run? back in the morning? I mean, naturally when everyone calmed down, yeah. Wow. It's a long time ago. He heard you.

It's wrong with it, man. This got crazy. It beat off 14 times. Yeah, I don't know. I can't listen to anything. Oh, 13. Yeah, I think that that's, I don't know, man. I feel like don't, I feel like a lot of these demarice are just to get the timeline

going. I don't think it's a real scenario. No, I think that was a real scenario. It could be. No, because they fought. The fight was like on Instagram. Oh, okay. Yeah.

I'm sorry, we told you that back story and we didn't actually go into the question that was supposed to follow discourse. So the question actually was is do you think it's weird for a friend to get in the bed with a couple? Non-sexually. No.

That's, that happened on more than a few occasions. The female. Just like, yes, a female friend. I'm about saying because if Rory get in the bed with me my shoulder, I'd be like, your friend. We didn't need to. No. I thought that went.

without saying. I didn't know we had to establish what we were talking about. Yeah, well, we watch it. Don't be like your fan. Honestly, we're watching your Uber pull up right now. Like, the fuck out of here. Listen, man, your bed may be better for my back than the couch. Great mattress.

I get it. I didn't think we need to establish what we were talking about. A woman coming into the. Yeah, no, I'm not. I think that's, that's cool. I was on the timeline and I was, you know, a girl was like, why the fuck would you even get in the bed with me and my man anyway? That's a violation, drunk or not.

And I was like, yo, y'all show me a baby. But we're in the bed, though. Yeah. Is it like I'm in a sandwich? I'm the meat. No, no. It's got to be man girl girl. It's got to be man girl.

It's got to be my girl and then your girlfriend on another side of you. You can't be. I can't be the middle. I can't be a sandwich. But it's not even like on some cuddle shit. I've done a sandwich though. Like it wasn't like we got into the bed. Which mean you were in the middle?

No. You on the outside. The dude was in the middle. I've done that before. But also like it was it literally was it wasn't like we just fell asleep that. Me and my best, my best friend has been my. best friend for 14 years. She's been with her husband for 12 of those years. So, like, since we were all in high school. So, like, that's like my brother. Like, we raise our kids together.

So me, him, her, the kids. I think it depends on a relationship. Yeah. It depends on the relationship. But people were telling me that that's weird. They think that that that's a violation and that there needs to be boundaries. And I was so confused because I'm like, if you think that your friend would fuck your, like, if you're uncomfortable with that, why is that your friend? Well, it depends on the level of friendship. Because anytime I say my girl can go hang out with her male friends. it's World War III. No.

That's just, I mean, so you would be okay with your girl getting in the bed with her best friend? I wouldn't murder everybody. I don't get that. Going out to lunch with her male best friend is not the same as getting in a bed with him. That's not.

That's not the same. My girl is not, I'm not cool with my girl getting in. Anytime I've had a girl come in to a bed with me and my girl at the time, that girl was single. She wasn't in a relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And if we're friends, then what's the difference? And I'm sure that if the girl, if the girl... I'm not that progressive. And I'm sure if the girl has a boyfriend, like my girl's friend, if she has a boyfriend, I'm sure he wouldn't want her getting in the bed with us. Yeah, I'd feel uncomfortable. Yeah. I'm sure he wouldn't want that. Like, I wouldn't want my girl get in the bed with her home girl and her home girl's man.

Like, what you doing? Go sleep on the floor or fucking watch TV on the couch. Like, why are you in the bed with them? Again, I'm cool if she stays in another room for the kid. Because you know, niggas like the basketball shorts and no underway under them in the house. Oh, facts. Shit, just wearing draws with basketball shorts in the house is like serial killer behavior. Exactly.

Why are you in the bed? I don't know. Maybe I have really progressive friendships because I've been in the bed with my man and my home girls have come and jumped in the bed with us. They have boyfriend. They have boyfriend. Yeah, they had a boyfriend. But they're like, it's not even like. Well, she's the hippie, not her man.

But she's jumping in the bed with us. She laying on the foot of the bed. We all watching TV. If she falls asleep, she falls asleep. I'm not kicking my friend up like, yeah. you wake up. If your nigger find out she was in the bed with us. Like that's, I think that to even think of it like that is weird.

I think that, you know what I'm saying? I think that if that nigger FaceTime her and see her in the bed, it's talking about, yo, where you at? She'd be like, I'm in the bed with Damaris and her man. He'd be like, I'm on the way over to shoot that shit up. But now I'm getting shot. I didn't even tell her to get in this bed. I don't know.

I think it all comes from like how you were raised. I was raised in a household where like there were always a bunch of people. It was very like family-oriented. Friends just come in and walk it. Like, I don't know. Yeah, me too. the way I was raised. I slept in bed with cousins,

you know, sisters, brothers, like, yeah. But as adults in a relationship, my woman is to not get in the bed

with her home girl and her man. We're not doing that. I've seen enough showtime movies. I don't know how this ends. What if you do a podcast with him? In the bed? No, we're not going to do a podcast in the bed together.

Oh, I thought that would be pretty lit. No, you're missing, you're missing, what we're always asking? Oh, what if we do a pod?

Never mind. No, no. I'm suggesting if your girl came in bed with me and my girl because we do a podcast together it's okay. No. You wouldn't trust me around your girl in bed? Like if you, if Roy, if Rory had a girl.

So, Maul, you're telling me if Rory had a girl, right? If Rory had a girl and you met, she had a, her girl had a best friend. And you met the best friend through Rory, whatever. He's like, yo, I got something for you. Right? And one day you call her and, you know that eventually that becomes your girl. One day you call her and she's doing the same thing that she's always done, which is over here hanging with Rory and his girl.

You're going to say, yo, what to fuck you in the bed with him? Get the fuck out? They can hang out right here. It's a lovely couch. Lovely sofa. I have a whole spare bedroom with a queen-sized bed. That's what I'm saying. Why are you in the bed with Rory and his girl?

There's mad other rooms. There's sofas. It's a lovely ottoman. You could lay many options and you're all still in the same bed. I would feel extremely uncomfortable if Mawls girl just that's what I'm saying what are you doing if Rory's girl was to get in the bed with me and my girl I would definitely get out the bed at Cole Rory like you come get your girl fiff matter of fact that's not your girl but get her out of my house yeah like I'm not even

going back in my bed I'm not even going back in my bed until you get here like that makes sense I don't know it's just I've been friends with all of my friends for like years so it's like their men are like like those my bros bro like we all we're playing video games and shit like feeding the kids together like I ain't nobody we're not even thinking like no I know it takes a village but yeah some villages are like strangers. It only takes one hard dick to ruin the relationship.

Trust me. A fourth crypto billionaire has been found dead. What a transition? Yeah, we're talking about stiffies. Mall. There has to be, what? That was crazy.

Okay, delete it. There's nothing to delete there. You mentioned a dead person that said, we're talking about stiffies. That's not crazy. All right, my brother. Oh, because you got rigor mortars. Sure.

Yeah, exactly. Nigger mortars. Paranoid, Paranoid Crypto Millionaire drowns of Puerto Rico after tweeting that CIA and Mossad were after him. Families say no foul play, but friends are suspicious about his sudden death. Where is this reporting from, bro? Yeah, I feel like these stories are like bullshit.

This looks crazy. There's definitely been some crypto billionaires dying, but this type of stuff looks weird to me. What source is this? Where did this come from? I don't know. On Tuesday, November 22nd, Javier Biaska jumped from the fifth floor of a hotel in Esteban, Spain. His suicide ended a career as an international broker that was, as brief and irregular as the cryptocurrency he handled.

That's a rude way to... That's a really... Yeah, I'm saying this looks... That's why this doesn't even look like real to me. Who would write that? From the spiritual world... Crypto founder Tian Tian Tian... ...unexpectedly died at 30 in his sleep.

His company had recently been rewarded a $3 billion evaluation. I don't know, man. Crypto billionaire Tehran died in the mysterious helicopter crash. after another passenger cancels last minute. He had two children and a wife. He was worth $20 billion.

So these are the four deaths. Well, rest in peace and prayers to everyone's family. But I... Yeah, it definitely is some weird, weird things. A lot of odd coincidences that these are all crypto billionaires. But yeah, I don't know enough about this to say whether I believe that there's something going on where they're just killing crypto billionaires. but I've seen enough Jason Bourne movies to know it's not impossible. No.

So, yeah, that is what it is. We had a guess. I still know if offing crypto billionaires is really like the strategy to get crypto out of here. Yeah, I don't. That's what I'm saying. I don't know. I mean, it could be a weird coincidence. It could be some real thing.

But I think you would have to kill a lot of people to get cryptocurrency out of here. But I don't know. Like you said, praise and condolence. to these families and the people that passed away? Jokes aside, do you inherit crypto if a family member passes the way? No. It's like crypto wallets. So yeah, you could.

Yeah, you could give them money, right? Yeah, but aren't those unique to the person? Yeah, that's what I thought. And also how do those families? But so is your, so is your bank account to some degree. You could make a will with crypto, right? Listen, we were supposed to get some crypto that we never got, so I don't know. Oh, my God.

Go into that. Those wallets are so secured. And, like, people that have lost their password, you have a certain amount of attempts before you're logged out permanently. So even if you don't know the password, you can be locked out of your own wallet. So how the hell are you going to pass it to someone else? I'd hope they'd have security measures with $20 million in crypto.

Just give it to DeMaris. I'm sure she can figure out the password. Yeah, of course she can't. Oh, that's true. And one of the crypto billionaires lose all of his money in like a day and don't know what happened to it? You know what happens. It's happened a few times.

Bernie Madoff, you know. So you mean you expect me to think that if my crypto billionaire wife dies that the money is going to transfer it to me? Well, if she slept in a bed with your homeboy, then. No, you didn't have that phone. Oh, that's a security question. What homeboy did you sleep?

Okay, got you. We had a friend of ours stopped by for a very interesting, unique conversation. I was really happy to sit down and talk with this gentleman because I've been watching his rebrand from afar. And I really like what he's doing and how he's kind of changed the trajectory of his career and his content and what he's been doing online. So we sat down with our homie China Mac. Yes. and had a cool conversation. So I think we should get into that, Rory.

I'm with you. Let's do it. Back with a very surprising guest, somebody who I have been following for years online. And I'm very happy to be sitting here talking with today because I want to talk about this amazing rebrand that he has, a very different guy from the guy that I've known and met on YouTube years ago. And his rebrand and what he's doing now is amazing. it's inspiring and it's pretty fucking dope.

So we are joined today with the one and only China Mac. Yo. Guy. How you doing, family? I'm great, man. What brand did you say? Your rebrand. Oh, my rebrand.

I thought you said the weed brand. I was like, I was like, yeah, you know something? I don't know. Wait, you ain't bring the weed? I was like, yeah, you got to rolled up. Are you sure? I think you got the wrong person. Oh, wait.

There's a different time. We had the weed guy, though. Yeah. The rebrand. Rebrand. Yeah. What's up, man? How y'all doing?

The newly L.A. resident, all the New Yorkers are moving away. All and I are the only one standing strong. Standing stupid. Yeah, I know, right? We need to move. I feel like everybody's moving out of L.A. too, and I'm the dickhead. Yeah. Everybody is moving out of L.A. now.

Everybody's leaving out of L.A. is moving to Austin. Yep. Right? Everybody from, like, New York is moving, like, to Atlanta, like, Miami. Yeah, you know what I mean? Austin. I love Austin. Austin is done.

Austin is five. I don't really like Austin, though. Really? I got arrested out there. Oh, that'll be out there. That'll do it. No, they left me there for a month. I was fighting, I was fighting for my life out there.

Really? For some bullshit, for something even. How long ago was this? It was like, like three years ago. Oh, okay, yeah. So then, yeah, I could see why you wouldn't want to go back to Austin. Yeah. Yeah, I was sitting in the county there for a month.

And it was just because I put money in a bum's thing, right? And then, I don't know, it was a long story, but a short story out of a long story is I was on the strip, right? And his bum comes on a wheelchair, right? So I was promoting a song. So he comes on the wheelchair and then he pulls up on my guy and my guy's talking to a girl. So they start, so they kind of start arguing. And then the guy is like, my boy is like, man, get out of here. You want a wheelchair.

So he's like, what, bitch? So he gets up out the wheelchair. Like, what's shut? So I was like, oh, shit. Right? So I was like, oh, shit. He's got wheels and legs. I was like, so in my mind, I'm thinking about marketing.

I'm like, yo, bro, I got a new song out right now. Can I pay you $10 to motherfucking do the same shit and say something about my song? So he like, $10. He said my bucket, $20. I was like, yo, bro, I got $10. He's like, I put this shit in my bucket. So I put the $10 in his bucket. And then he's staying on his chair.

And he's like, this fucking. Chinese motherfucker think I'm gonna fucking, I'm gonna do some shit for him. I told him 20. He put 10. I was like, bitch. So I went in the fucking bucket and threw all the money in the air. As soon as I did that before my hand even went down, I was on a wall. Police army. Boom. Put me on a

wall, handcuffed me. I'm on parole, mind you. Okay. You know what I'm saying? And then he locked me up for fucking robbery. Robbery. I was in there for a month. Fighting my, my bed was 300. the bands, bro. The cash. I was like, wow, this is crazy. Austin is so progressive that they protect the homeless people.

Yeah, that's fucking wild, though. That's some, now that'll make you not want to ever go back to the city again. Yeah, I don't want to, but I am coming back to Austin. I'm coming back in January, me and Aki Way. You know what Aki Way? You don't know who Aki Way is? Put us on. Chop cheese?

I mean, I know. The Akiway? I mean, I know Ack that gets the chopped cheese. Yeah, but it's the Akiway. Okay. Super viral all over the internet I brought him out to LA two weeks ago And then one day

One day of promotion He posted it up on Instagram One day I did see this And it was like a fucking thousand people out of I seen that now that I saw He's viral You know what I'm saying

So I brought him out there And now we're gonna go to Texas Okay And like you know Do a food tour and shit China Mac eats with Akiway New York shit You should bring a chop cheese

To the gentleman I'm sure he's standing up In his wheelchair Yeah if he's there I bring him a chop. At this point, he's asking for crypto $20. I'm going to bring him a chop cheese after I slapped the shit out of him, I allegedly.

Joke. So you've been on a lot of platforms, I feel like, telling your backstory. But I do want to get into this transition, like Mollett said, with the rebrand. Because, you know, I remember when you got on the YouTube scene, if you will. Right. And you've done a lot of amazing things and not in the realm where I think most people, so much of YouTube now, like, leans into the criminal. shit and it's getting a little weird and taboo. And you went to complete opposite route as far as

your YouTube page. A lot of it being with the food stuff, a lot of interviews, et cetera. What was your idea going into making the YouTube page? You know what it was? I was doing hip hop when I first came home. I was like, you know, pursuing my rap career. And I just felt like the space that my decision on on my career was pushing me was something that would land me back in prison you know what I mean because it's just like I'm spitting gangster rap and and like you know it was just putting me in spaces where I felt like you know I felt um could possibly put me in a position where I could get in trouble so I was just like man let me just do something else bro. Like, let me do something that

that is not going to land me in prison, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, when I first came home, I was doing the rap and shit, and I kept on getting arrested. Like, I just told you, I got arrested in Texas, I got to promoting a record, I got arrested in Lower Eastside, I got arrested here, I got arrested here. And I was on parole, and I kept on

getting arrested. I'm like, yo, something is not right. And if, and I had to like recalibrate myself and kind of look at it, like, all right, what's the problem here? You know what I'm saying? And I was just like, man, this rap shit is like forcing me kind of to do the stuff like not do the stuff but kind of putting me in a in a in a space where that stuff could happen at and I was just like let me just start doing like different type of content you know I mean YouTube content with food and just like switch my

brand up a little bit so I don't I don't be pigeon held to the street shit you feel me yeah yeah and then I was just I just I just thought let me just go to my favorite food spots in Chinatown And then I started doing that and then people responded to it. And then I just kept on doing it to the point where that's basically all I do now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. New York City today is a very New York City from a very different New York City from the one that I grew up in loving hip hop. Do you feel like the music today, the energy that surrounds it is responsible for so many violent things that are going on in the city today?

Is it because the younger kids feel like they have to live and act out what they're right? rapping, like they have to be on camera doing it because now things go viral and you can monetize your music videos. And there's so many ways for these young kids and these young artists now to get money off of what they're doing. The fact that you say you would make music, but you were getting in trouble. You had to kind of step back and look at that and say, all right, I got to do something different.

Do you attribute the energy in the music to the way these kids are moving now in the city? I mean, yeah, yeah, no. Both. Because it's like, yeah, in one aspect of it, I do think that the music has influences. You know what I mean? That's the strongest. Music is the strongest influence. I heard, I heard, I heard, you know, Elijah Muhammad recently say that music can, can influence

more people than a hundred of his lectures. You know what I'm saying? So, and definitely 100% music influences because it influenced me as a child. You know what I'm saying? Or as a team, might I say, but also that doesn't take away poverty.

You know what I'm saying? Like all of the other stuff. So music is a piece of it, but there's also a whole other like piece of it that is very important too. You know what I'm saying? Poverty. uneducation, you know what I'm saying, you know, all of that, you feel me?

And but I feel like music is definitely a driving force for a lot of this chaos that, that happens because I remember the first time I shot a gun, you know what I'm saying? And it was because, and when I did it, I thought about a rap lyric that Mobb Deep said. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? And when I was shooting it, I was thinking about what Norrie said. You know what I mean? Shoot up your block.

so you could know me. Like I was saying that in my head when I was shooting the gun. You feel me? So me, I know it influences, you know what I'm saying? But I'm not going to say that it's the only thing that influences, you know what I'm saying? Because you can have somebody that grows up in a great neighborhood, in a good family and everything, you know what I mean?

And listen to the same music, but have a different response to the music, you know what I'm saying? So I wouldn't blame it all on the music, but I do think that music has a piece of it. You know what I mean? For sure. But in that regard, do you think it was just a soundtrack

of something you would have done anyways? Shooting the gun for the first time, it wasn't because of the song or it just was like, oh, all right, I know there's just sounds that can relate to what I'm doing right now. Exactly, that's what I'm saying.

But it definitely made me feel, it pushed me more towards doing it. Yeah. Okay. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. At what point do you think you realize that? In the moment?

Hell no. Or way later on. When I was sitting in the jail cell, you know what I'm saying? You got time to reflect and think. Yeah, I'm thinking like, damn, man. Like how the fuck I get here type of shit, you feel me? And I was just like, you know, and I thought about all that stuff.

And I was like, I, you know, I was young and impressionable. And music impresses, you know what I'm saying? Music guys, a lot of us learn shit. How much stuff, let me ask you a question more. How much stuff have you picked up from music, from your favorite rapper or a favorite song that you still carry out to this day? How many things that you've learned? How many things?

A lot. A lot. How about you? A majority of everything. Right. So, why would it be different? It was everything that we were the entire environment, I guess. To me, it just felt like the soundtrack, but that was what sounded good that I could go to as a reference point.

Right. But I felt like they were probably rapping about what was around already. Right. No, definitely. So, yeah, I think it's just kind of all encompassing of the full circle shit. That's why I always put so much on music. It's just a soundtrack to what was already going to happen regardless. Now, I think things have changed a bit where a lot of maybe the rappers are the ones

actually doing the things rather than when I was growing up. It was the person that wasn't doing the shit and they was just around the guys that was doing it. That's why things have shifted a bit. Right. Because now you can't be that person that is not involved. You got to be active. If you ain't doing it, it's like, oh, you're capping. Right.

Yeah. Because how many rappers back in the days when we used, they was never in the street, they He was just rapping about it, you know what I'm saying? Never. But not all of them, but a lot of them. Yeah, some rappers was really in the streets and really doing things. But not current, though. Yeah, like, I always go back to, like, just thinking about, again, like, I bring this up all the time.

The music that I had to sneak and listen to, like, Snoop Dogg's album, Doggy style. Crazy. That was a crazy album. You listen to that today, it's not really violent. It's like, choice music. Yeah, it's like, in comparison to today's music. The craziest thing on that album. Like Snoot was talking.

It's passing some pussy off to your friend. Yeah, like he was saying some wild shit, but it's nowhere near as violent. Yeah. But you got to look at it. Like everything progresses as the time goes on. So, you know, they set the tone. And now the people now are, they carrying the torch. And then moving forward is going to be the same shit.

You know what I'm saying? I always say this. Like, you know, like, people be like, you know, oh, the younger people now is this, right? Yeah. But what do you think that? the people with the generation before us were saying about us. Oh, of course. The same thing.

Same thing. Oh no, we're turning into the guy get off my loan. Yeah, we're turning into the generation before us, the old head. Oh, no, I'll tell Rorya all the time. Once I paid as much taxes as I paid last year, I call the police now with too many people are in front of the building. And you never thought about doing that before. Yeah, it's like, yo, yeah, yeah, I got to get out of here, man.

Like let the cops do their job. And they're going to do the same thing. Oh, for sure. So I think it's just a cycle, bro. And, you know, but I do think that, like, again, I do. think that the music and, you know, like you said, how people are actually eating off of, you know, off of the, they're monetizing off of the, the, they're monetizing off of their actions. You know what I'm saying?

So why not? Yo, bro, I have no chance of making it out of these projects. My only chance is pick up this camera and do something. Pick up this camera and do dumb shit. Yeah. You feel me? And do nuts shit. Yeah.

And just go viral. Right. You know what I'm saying? So why wouldn't these kids do it? Or do what you did. You're an example of the opposite. it because when you came home you're like, all right, let me do the rap shit.

That's what I wanted to do. Realize what was going on with these motherfuckers, bro. Like, I'm going to keep it a buck. Like, the most viral I ever went was when I was pushing negativity. Yeah. I mean, that's what viral shit is. The most viral I ever went was when I said

when I was calling people out, when I was doing this, when I was doing that, when I was pushing that, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, and then when I do say, oh, you know, let me do this. Let me, let me calm it down. Yeah. I still, I'm still moving.

but I ain't moving like that. You know what I'm? But let me ask you since you've been very successful within YouTube and I can see by your numbers that you're monetizing very well. What has been more lucrative? Going viral for a second or being consistent with the crazy numbers you have on your YouTube page now. That viral shit is cool for attention.

There's not a lot of money in it. Like you've been consistent with the content you put out, which is really being monetized. That viral shit for a second, they don't monetize shit. Unless you want to continue to. follow the bullshit. No, you're right, but let me ask you a question. Would I be monetizing as I'm monetizing if people didn't already know me for the bullshit? Like, people know me. That's a, that's a good point. I'm going to say yes, you would. Because I feel like your angle and just your personality and your style, it's not, it's not nobody that has done what you're doing. Like literally going

to all the dope spots downtown in the city, but you used to run around that. And, you used to run around that in them areas doing different things. But now you're showing people like, nah, this is the best, they got the best rice hill or the best wings or the best. It's not, nobody has done that. So I'm gonna say you would have been successful. I think the negative shit, unfortunately, did help

just because that's the fucking world we live in. But I think it's a perfect example of taking a negative situation and making it positive and not just thriving off the negativity that happened in your past and being defined by. It's part of your story. But yeah, you could have taken,

that Vlad interview and continued to rap about really negative shit or ran around the city and saying, I'm the guy that did this, did that, and just made more viral negative moments. Right. But you took your story, which has some negative shit in it unfortunately in your past, and have a redemption story. And a successful one at that, that you don't need to continue to do fucking negative shit. Right. And that's why I've enjoyed watching this entire thing. Because you easily, especially on YouTube right now, anytime a quote unquote criminal comes out and tells a story,

they just keep, for the most part, doing negative shit because that's what works on YouTube. So to your question, yes, I think there was a lot of attention on you because there may have been some negativity and some mistakes you've made in the past. But the real story now is the consistency of positive shit you've been doing. Right. And even down to, I'll go to the AD shit. We spoke about that. I thought that was the perfect example of being from an environment where you have to do certain things. No cameras, no nothing. Let's finish it.

Great example. Move on to positivity. Now you and AD are doing great content. Right. So, yeah, negativity does spread, but I think you're the perfect example of how you don't have to stay in it. No, no, I definitely feel you. I feel you, and I agree, you know what I mean? But I also feel like you need a healthy dose of both.

I mean, you know what I'm saying? Bro, look like in this world right now, yo, like just the algorithms, bro. Like, you don't really, it doesn't hit the point. And you have to do something negative to get that. You know what I'm saying? So I wouldn't say I promote negativity, but I got to have a little bullshit in it sometimes. You know what I'm saying?

And when the opportunity pops up for the bullshit, I'm for it. You know what I'm saying? But I don't make that, that's not the main focus. You don't chase the next negative moment. I don't chase it. But when it come, I'm going to embrace it. Oh, yes, okay.

Yeah, I just the opposite is it. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, so I do agree, but I also feel like you do need in this day and time with social media and everything and the algorithms and all that. You know, they cater to that. This show was launched on negativity. Like, this show, that was negative.

Imagine. All right. Look, look, look. Check this out, right? This show right here. I don't know how many views is going to get. yet, but if I got up right now and me and you started fighting or I start fighting for y'all, oh, this is up.

Yeah, it's out of here. This is going to go up. Yeah. You feel me? Yeah. So right now, like, we're talking to whatever, you know, talking about whatever, whatever, whatever. It's a brand-new crib, please.

I don't want to fight. Yeah, no, no, I'm not saying. Yeah, no, I'm not saying. I'm fucking with you. I don't want no problem, worry. Yeah. This guy right here is trouble. No.

No, you got a wing span. I can see. You got reach. I'm cool. No, no. Yo, but you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, like, so, you know, I do understand that you do need a, you do need it, you know what I'm saying?

But you just have to, you know, I refuse to be that's all I'm going to be doing. You know what I'm saying? Some people just chase that all the time. Yeah. Like, oh, that's what it is. Yeah. Oh, I'm going to keep on doing that. And that doesn't, that doesn't last.

No. You know what I'm saying? But when it does present, the opportunity does a present itself, you know, I don't run from it. You know what I'm saying? All right. There go. Take lemons and make lemonade. Okay.

This is what it is. All right. We're going to use this moment, propel into some real shit. Right. And then back to the regular programming. I feel you. And that's just fucking politics at this point.

Yeah. Like that's not just the internet. That's tax. That's America. That's life. Yeah. That's everything. How much happier are you though in your life?

I'm so happy, man. Yeah. Yeah. I'm happy as far. Y'all can see me? I'm happy, man. Like, I ain't going on a lot. I'm happy.

You know what I'm seeing? My mom just beat camera. So I'm super happy about that. Congrats. That's incredible. I appreciate that. You know what I'm? Crazy shit is that woman had cancer three times, bro.

Two times when I was in prison. You know what I mean? I couldn't even fucking go see her. I couldn't do shit, bro. I felt like, I felt bad. You know what I'm saying? Like imagine that shit. And she beat it both times.

And then the last time she had it, you know, I was out here with her, you know what I mean? And she beat it again. Like, you know what I mean? So, you know, I'm super happy. You know what I mean? And just, just, you know, I was out. Just being able to just like, you know, do shit that I love.

Like, you know what I mean? Like what I'm doing right now on my YouTube channel? Yeah. I love that shit, bro. Like, I love it. You know why? Because I get to do, I remember sitting in a cell and I'm looking at my team, my little black and white TV and I'm just like watching all these Discovery Channel

and watching fucking Anthony Bourdain and all these people. I used to watch that shit like religiously. Like, oh, I can't wait. to get the fuck out of there, get the fuck out of here and go to Alaska or go wherever, go where. And now I'm living here, you feel me? And there's so many people that I know that don't have that opportunity, you know what I'm saying? So I'm enjoying it, you know what I'm saying? And I'm getting paid off of it, you know what I mean? And I'm living and I'm happy, you know, and I'm just happy to be here type of shit, you feel me?

With Mac eats, which I think is dope, by the way. I appreciate you. Does Mac cook though? I cook some jail shit Yeah Yeah I cook some jail shit You know I don't mean to keep on Told him out this jail shit But I spent so many years

It's part of where you are You know what I'm saying Like I don't want to be the jail guy You know, I just part of who you are You know, but that's how I know how to cook I learn how to cook in prison You know what I'm saying So I know how to make some jail shit

But I don't really know how to cook But I can follow instruction Yeah To hello fresh shit Yeah What's that? It's like a It's like an ordering.

How would you describe HelloFress? It's like a meal prep type of thing. Yeah, you pay like monthly and they send you actual like food that you just got to basically just reheat. Oh, well, not. You just follow instructions.

Oh, you follow as you got to cook it. Yeah, you have to go out. Yeah, you don't reheat it. So I would be great at that. What's the name of them?

Hello Fresh. Hello Fresh. Actually, yeah, I'll be great. Bleep out their actual name. This ain't a fucking ad. Yeah. They got to pay us for this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hello. Hello. Would you ever do some form of a cookbook that would be within other locations? Because the way, like, every time I hit a city, I usually call someone I know from that city to give me a list of restaurants. Would you see yourself since you've been traveling so much in all these different cities putting together like the Mac Eat's location cookbook or restaurant cookbook? You could be like the news. You like the news.

What is it? We can't say that word anymore. No, not that word. Zaget. Isn't that where they like rate? I was like, whoa. This show is different. Wow.

Wow. That's a great word. You know what the Zaget's eat. Yeah, I wish we could bring that word back. That's such a good word. Yeah, that's such a word. You're a fucking Zaget, bro. They eat in the village.

Stop acting like a Zaget. But it can be like that. The vegans. Yeah. It'd be like China Mac has his thing at the door. Like when you walk to the restaurant, he rates the restaurant. Yeah. It's like, okay.

Mac eats gives this. a four. Right. Mac Eats gives us a three. Right. You know what I mean? Like, you should do some shit like that. I think that'd be fly.

For all the dudes that's like, you know, like we may not be able to go to those like real high end spots, but like the spots and, you know, in the hood in the city like, okay, like Mac been here, he gave us a four. Like this must be some good shit in here. Right. I think you should do some shit like that. I would take that advice. Or that app, just the app, just the app, being in a city and just I could figure out every

spot that you've rated. That's what I would do. I would definitely click that shit if I land just not in Austin, Texas I'd probably avoid it there but I fuck with you

speaking to New York since you moved away but I have to ask with, I mean I got 32 years here and Ma has about what 50 years in New York City? Fuck you, 41.

You're 41? His skin looks incredible, I know. I look like the 41 year old he looks like the third two year old. I understand, I get it. But you can use one. 81. 81.

Mm-hmm. No doubt. All right. I feel like China Chinatown is like the last neighborhood standing from the New York I grew up in that still looks familiar. Everything has changed every borough, even part of Manhattan. I still walk through Chinatown and it still feels like the New York I know. How has Chinatown been able to do that?

It's incredible to me that. It's crazy that you said that because I just had an interview with New York Nico. Because he's doing a book. Okay. And he asked me to pull up and show him three of my favorite spots in New York. And he basically, he said, asked the same thing. Like, you know, New York, like Chinatown is kind of like exactly the same from like the 90s, the 80s type shit. And that's a compliment.

Like, it's crazy that they've been able. Is that because everyone owns everything there? How has they been able to sustain that whole community? Yeah. And they refuse to sell. Yeah. That's it You know what I'm saying

I mean You know They were the last settlers In that area You know what I mean And a lot of You know A lot of Chinese people

Worked hard Bought the buildings Own it So you can't kick us out When we fucking own it Bitch You know Unless they start selling

But you know So I feel like Yeah Nah I definitely agree You know I mean But I feel like

Some parts of the Bronx Looks the same too No Your sound view Still looks Yeah I was gonna say I mean, Co-op City hasn't changed at all. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Like, Fordham looks like shit. You listen. Morning looks like shit. We just rolled through that shit. Bro. Yo, shout out my bro, Mike Geronimo. We just roved down fucking...

Bro, that's my hood. Born and Ray, grew up in Fordham. That shit looked the same. I was like, yo, that shit looks worse. Wait, no wonder y'all was in traffic. Mike took you from Q Gardens to Fordham to New Jersey? Where was you going? I don't know.

Yo, bro. You know what they was going to? They was going to Sammy's. You know what the Sammy's? Y'all were the Sammy's? We host that. Yo, we have the legend

Mike Geronimo in the bill. I was going to wait for a little bit because he liked to be in the corner quiet, but we're going to find a microphone for you in a little bit. You got to talk your shit. We have to get some vodka

over there first though. Mack, what's the best, what's the best pizza? Your best pizza, NYC? The best pizza. Yo, people's going to hate me for this. I said this on my channel. I said New York City

pizza is not the same. New York City pizza fell off. Why you say that? Because it just don't taste the same as I remember. And people's like, yo, it's your taste buzz. As you grow older, your taste buzz are different. No, bitch, it's just not the same, man. It's like, you know what I'm saying?

I feel like New York pizza when I was coming up, it was like every spot was a hit. You know what I'm saying? You could go in any spot, pick a spot. And it's going to go in that big brownful. And it's going to be fire. You know what I'm saying? Now you got to go on the treasure hunt.

for New York good pizza, you know what I'm saying? I feel like, you know what I mean? There's certain spots like, you know, not raised in Brooklyn, Joe's is trash. I was never a big Joe's. Joe's trash. Yeah, like. There was a Spider-Man swung through that shit.

Trash. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, no, I think like in the city and probably the more tourist areas. This is the spines. What is it called? Mean. There's two names. I forgot, but I forgot the name in that spot.

But I feel like the. The ones that are in, like, the outer boroughs are still the same. The city definitely changed. It's hard to get a consistent, good slice the way it was. You go to any spot in the city and it'd be all right. Now it's, you know, you get dollar slices, two bro's shit. No offense. It's just trash.

You never been to margaritas on Jamaica Ave? Yeah, of course. Gabby's hasn't changed. Gabby's is still amazing. Like, you just have to go to the spots that was really there. Yeah, but see, those are the, those are farm, like, understand what I'm saying? I'm not saying New York pizza. still aren't like go-to spots.

Yeah. Oh, I'm going to have a way hot to take. I'm going to say New York City pizza no longer is number one. I'm going to go even further. Who's number one? I went to New Haven and I'm a believer. Connecticut? New Haven, Connecticut has the best pizza.

I can't really. I can't really. I can't. I'm not jacking that. Bro, it took me five years to admit it when I knew it already. I didn't say it out loud. You was drunk that night of Connecticut. I've been there.

Nah, sober. Going up 95. Connecticut has been a pizza than New York? I'm not saying the state of Connecticut. New Haven, the city has. the best pizza on planet fucking earth. Listen, let me say something, bro, because back in the days,

I felt like when they was making pizza, they was like, they love making it. Like, it was, it was, it was the Italians making pizza. You know what I'm saying? It was they, they, they, they, that was their fucking culture. Yeah. I mean, that was their, that was their art. Yeah.

Now, a lot of places, they're not even Italian. And I'm not trying to say like, you know, but I know exactly, I feel like it's a money thing now, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And when that, when that, when, when that, when, when,

when this. like that, it's just like hip hop. Like, you know, like when there's money, then it's not the same as before. I mean, it's still, it's still, you know, it's still pocketing in there. Like, you got to find it. But it's not the same. And I feel like, you know, a lot of people just going in there, like opening up pizza spots, just, you know, and not really loving what they do and not really putting that love in. I like Lucali's in Brooklyn. I'm not important enough to be able to get in line and, you know, because it takes, what, an hour and a half to get a slice? I'm not doing it

Where is it St. Brooklyn? Somewhere in, uh, Fort Green now somewhere downtown Brooklyn. Yeah. This is spots in New, I mean,

my favorite spot is Lucia's and Queens. Of course, it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm Gabby's to death. Where's Gabby's at? It's in Hollis.

Hallis? Hillside and Francis Lewis. Um, I was, John's a bleaker if you're in the city just because they have like the last. You're from Hollis, right? You from out there.

That's great. Yeah. You two? No, I'm from hometown. He's a Fortham Road guy. All right. Where you just passed. But you went crazy.

I feel like I watched a video of you go to Bay Ridge for halal or some shit. Am I making that up? Yeah, no, I did. That's brave. Not only to go that far, but for halal in probably the most racist section of New York City. Right. To make halal food. Right.

And it was good? It was good. Okay. It was great. You know what I feel like New York got the best halal food. Oh, I mean, I'm not. Where else would you get halal food? For sure.

Absolutely. I had in L.A. I threw the shit out I took two bites maybe three and I threw the shit out Best chopped cheese you ever had Best chopped cheese

Best chopped cheese Aki way My guy Okay Of course I mean Haji's of course The OG one But Broadway and Myrtle

In Bushwick Whatever that deli is there It's the best chop cheese Ever had in my life Where Broadway and Myrtle And Bushwick Broadway and Mirdle

Broadway and Mirdle and Bustwick and Bushwick, best chopped cheese. Best chop cheese I've had. I know it's probably not like a popular take. I don't even think it's a spot people go for chop cheese, but it's the best one I've had. I'm probably making.

Queens is trash at chop cheese. Hollis deli is the greatest deli ever, but they have the worst chop cheese. They have the worst chop cheese? And this is from someone that swears by Hollisdellie. So who you think got the best chop cheese? Uptown? Yeah.

Hajis. Hajis? For sure. It's the bread with Hodgies. That's really what it is. You got to toast the bread right. Hodgeys is fire, though. That's incredible.

Hodgis. I mean, they got money. They did a whole, you know, a whole reconstructive. They don't look like the Hodgis. I remember when you got to get in that little box later night when they closed the store. You just staying in that little box. Used to get treacherous. Used to get treacherous in there about two in the morning and wait for a sandwich.

But they changed. It looked like a real deli now. Like, now it's like a real, you know, when they got the glass, you see the fresh boars head and all of that. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Everything clean.

Hodgies acting different. Yeah. When you have ham just for dinner. The floor, the floor different. The floor look good. The lights. They got the fluorescence. It's like all the bulbs work in there.

There's not a sticky portion of this floor. Yeah. Like, okay, the cat ain't on the bread no more. Right. Like, like, they got water in there now. Yeah, like everything worked. They wearing gloves back there. Like, oh, y'all acting different.

Y'all wearing gloves, man. They would never have water in there before. They just had, like, one water. Yeah, one bottle. And everything is juice and soda. Yeah, yeah. Sprayed on the grill, clean the grill with that one same bottle. It's like, I don't know what's in there.

That's the flavor. That's the season. You keep throwing that shit on the grill and wiping it off. I don't know what that is, but whatever. How much of a tourist am I am with Woo Hop being my favorite spot in Chinatown on my street? War Hop? Yeah. Was that a very, like, Caucasian thing for me to say?

I was just about to say it. I mean, I know it's like. Now, he wears the merch. Like, he wears the T-shirt. Oh, you wear the, whoa, I mean. They gave me a free T-shirt, man. I took my picture. I'm on the wall.

Let me tell you something. I'm on the wall. Let me tell you something. War Hop. I grew up off of Warhop. But just not downstairs. Okay, where did it used to be? Upstairs.

Yeah. I've only known it in the basement. See, you never knew that. There's downstairs and upstairs. Downstairs is where they send the whites. Man, yeah. They send the whites downstairs. We go.

Yeah. Let me tell you something. Like, growing up, my gang ran my street, you know what I'm saying? Ghost Shadows, you know what I'm saying? Every store on that block was getting extorted. War Hop wasn't an exception. You know what I mean? So Wallhop, to me.

me is a different meaning to you because War Hot was where we used to have gang meetings. You know what I'm saying? It was fucking gang fights inside. We used to there was a shootout in the air. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like it's a different type of, you know, thing. But I think food wise downstairs for American palate is, is good. And it's, you know, like 24 hours flat.

You ever seen, you ever heard people say, yo, I never seen Chinese people eating the same shit y'all feed us. Yeah. Ever in my life. Every Chinese spot I've ever been. Their daughter was eating something else while she was doing the homework at the table. Like, fucking steamed vegetables and like steamed fish of all of white rice. You know what I'm saying? Wow.

You know, but, you know, there's a different palate. Like, it's a different, like, taste buzz is different. You know what I mean? For Americans and Chinese people, you know what I'm saying? But Whore Hop is definitely a staple, though. Like, War Hop is one of my go-to spots too. You know what I'm saying? Downstairs is different.

They cook it differently. So when you walk, when you go upstairs, they're going to look at you like, downstairs? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They just say downstairs me. They don't even think twice. Take your ass down as this.

Where do you rank, pause, cum, Kyle, in Brooklyn? What? So that is, I'm glad you. Come cow. You know what I had come cow? Preference of the. The first thing I said was pause. That's the first thing.

That's what I'm saying. I'm glad you did. You never, you never had on. I thought you said, Paul's cum. No, no, I was saying, pause. Oh, Paul. Come cow. Come cow.

Where's that? Oh, that's the one would they say that there's the best chicken wings in Brooklyn. Yeah. That's chicken wings. Yeah. Or Mertle. Bro. Bro, cum cow is legendary.

Yeah, cum cow chicken wings. I went there and had the chicken wings. Chicken wings is fire. That's the only thing you fucking with a nittle? I mean, that's all I had. Okay. You went there for the chicken wings? I went there for chicken wings and poured fried rice.

Okay. You know what? The wings is legendary. Huh? The wings is legendary. Yo, you know what I fucking, yo, bro. Like, L.A., they don't have Chinese restaurants. No.

Everywhere. No. Like the hood spots? They don't have that everywhere. And motherfuckerucker, they don't fucking use ducks. sauce. I never noticed that. That's crazy.

Y'all eat fried chicken wings with no duck sauce. Are y'all crazy? Are y'all fucking nuts? Like, who the fuck raised you? Like, what the fuck? I just want to go in every fucking Chinese restaurant and give them duck sauce. Like, the fuck. Yeah.

I was like, yo, where's the duck sauce at? They don't think of me like, what? In D.C., what they do? Mamba sauce. Which they do in New York. It's just not a thing. D.C. is a thing thing. You said what?

It's like actually a thing in D.C. Right. Which that's great on chicken wings. It tastes a little different though. It don't taste exactly like on duck sauce, no. But I've always found that weird that L.A. wouldn't have good Chinese food. Like, no, they have good Chinese food. They just don't have good.

They don't have like those. The hood Chinese spots. Takeout spots everywhere. You know what I'm saying? But real Chinese food, they got pretty good. Real Chinese food out there. First time I remember ordering Chinese food in L.A., they was like, yo, we got to get this Chinese food.

Let's order some Chinese food. I'm thinking like, okay, I'm from New York, Chinese food. You know, that's our thing. Niggas came in there. with a whole bunch of Wakano. I said, man, what is this shit? What is it? Wacano?

In L.A.? You never had Wakano? It's like Panda Express, but a little better than Panda Express. It tastes a little better than Panda Express. Oh, man, I know you hated it. I couldn't believe that shit. I was waiting. I'm like, okay, there's some Chinese food coming bet.

Wakano. I said, what is this shit? And they don't even, well, I don't know about over here. Did they still use the white, the white takeout box? Yeah, of course. With the styrofoam shit? With the little handle. Yeah, with the handle.

They still do that, right? Absolutely. I couldn't find that shit in Cali, L.A. Everything is plastic. Everything is that styrofoam shit. Yeah, styrofoam, yeah. It's crazy how little things like that we will miss. Like, yo, where's the little?

It's always one big one that nobody, nobody ain't eat that one yet. It's always a big pint of white rice that's left over that nobody open. Well, I got halal food off the truck in Williamsburg, and they put like fresh garnish lettuce and shit. And I was like, I don't want this. Now, put the dirty lettuce on my right. I'm trying to make this shit look good to me. To me, New York, like, when you think about Jamaican, when you think about New York food,

Jamaican is like on the top. Yeah, absolutely. Right? Like, beef patties and shit. You know what I mean? Like, I had, you know, people be like, you bugging. L.A. ain't got no good Jamaican food. I tried it.

They be like, yo, this shit just, I was like, eh? You know what I'm saying? They have certain places in L.A. that make good Caribbean food, but it's nothing like New York. Nah, man. Nothing like Brooklyn. I mean, who would even drive with that, though? No, some people.

Toronto would be. maybe the next city I would think of. Toronto has great. Yeah, I would think Toronto. Absolutely Toronto has great Caribbean food. It's a big Caribbean culture out there, so obviously. Have you done any Jamaican spots for your channel yet? Wait, did I?

I did beef patties. Okay. Beef patties. But you know a spot. But do you do the cocoa bread, though? Yeah. Okay. You don't do cocoa bread?

Of course. All right, now wait, this is a serial killer. This is going to let me know if you're a serial killer. Well, he's watching his carbs. Do you put the patty inside the cocoa bread? or do you eat it just like the cocoa bread how they put it in the bag right behind each other no you make a sandwich out that okay no because i've seen people eat it that's how you eat it cereal killers you see what i'm saying that's like you looked away i knew what it was man i have

i have i have been i've eaten bread they eat the cocoa bread separate yeah okay okay hear me out hear me out that's like eating cereal i want to say milk on the side like Let me wash it down with the milk. No, I chased it with the bread. I did. Now, hear me out. Hear me out. This is a pivotal moment in my childhood where I did not succumb to peer pressure.

Okay. I preferred eating the beef patty. And I took a piece of cocoa bread with it afterwards. And I got, you know, clowned on naturally. Like, what are you doing? Oh. And I, to my, to this day, to this day, you held it. I held it down.

And to this day, even if I want to make the sandwich out, of it, I won't because I'm still standing my ground since 2001. I'm that prideful. That's sick. Eating a beef patty like that is crazy. Yeah, I know. I never seen it. You got to make a sandwich.

I never seen that. You got to put it in between the cola. With champagne cola on the side. No, I just, I'm that prideful that I got clown that day for doing that, that I refuse to do it any other way because that's the way I want to do it now. So, wait, do you eat the patty? I'm in therapy. Leave me along.

You break pieces of the, you? You break pieces of the bread? Yeah. Oh, it was like First Communion. Yeah, more or less. Okay. The body of Christ. Yeah.

He's Catholic. He's Catholic. He's Catholic. That's his culture, bro. The body of jaw. Yeah. The body of jaw is dead. Lord of mercy.

The body of jaw is insane. Lord of mercy. He said the body of jaw. That's crazy. You're probably getting canceled, huh? Yo, the body of jaw is wild. That's the body of joy. job.

I lived with a Jamaican family that only let me live there damn near rent free as long as I went to church with them every Sunday. That was my rent. I had to go to church with them every single Sunday. Did they see me like a separate paddies? But all right. So it was like the real Jamaican household. They weren't making beef patties like just in the kitchen like that.

They was cooking real curry chicken, curry go. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they were just chilling eating beef patties in the crib like that. No, I didn't do that around them. I have respect. You got to do that in the bathroom. Mike, I was, he took that shit to the bathroom. Yo, eating a beef patty in the bathroom.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, take that shit to the bathroom with that weird shit. You know what I miss out here, too, like that they don't have out there, like Trinidadian food, you for me, like the doubles. Yeah. Like, certain shit, like, I miss New York, you know what I'm saying? As soon as I got off the plane of JFK, I went straight to motherfucking Queens, and I got me a double, you know what I mean, a beef patty, some Aki and sore fish. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I love that.

You know what I mean? How long you been in L.A.? How long you been living out there? Like, like three months, four months now. Okay. I'm fresh. You know, yeah, you're fresh. Yeah, I'm fresh.

But you've been out there obviously a lot, but you've been living there. Yeah, I've been out there a lot. Living there for three months. What's been the biggest transition? Like, not even food-wise, just lifestyle-wise of being in Lela. Waring shorts in the day and then a hoodie and a jacket at night. That weather is crazy. Yeah.

I mean, I feel like, I feel like that, you know, the weather, you know what I mean? But I feel like the women, they're on demon time, bro. Yeah. Like, I mean, New York, you know, we, it's not like, you know what I mean? It's more of a fight. We got to, we got to, we got to talk in New York. Yeah. But out there, they don't give a fuck.

Yeah. They don't care. Yeah. They'll fuck you the first, fuck the first day. Very aggressive. The first five minutes. Loving. They're loving women.

Yeah, I love it. Like, LA. Very loving. Very caring. They're there for experiences. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, no, no. Like, it's just, they don't give a fuck.

Like, is they have like this. No, no, no, they have like this hippie type of, they got this, like, hippie type of way of looking at sex. They just go with life. Yeah, they go with life. Yeah, they don't care. Like, they're just like, oh, just, we met for a reason. Just use me. Like, just, wait, I'm here for. We can't say use me. I mean, no, he's the one being used. Yeah.

No, he's the victim. No, she said, they say that. Like, just, yeah, like, just, I'm here, like, he's telling his me too story. I didn't even have. He's being abused out there by these women. I didn't even have to fucking talk to you on a phone or Nothing? I didn't have to, like, nothing. No. It's very different. I know what you mean. So, like, you know, I didn't have to really adjust because I adjusted immediately. That's something like, you know. Yeah, you figured that out quick, right?

You don't need to adjust. You know what I'm saying? Like, but, um, yeah, I mean, that was like one of the key things that are different. Picked up on that quick. Yeah, yeah, like, they just, like, it is just whatever. How'd you pick up on it? Huh? How'd you pick up on it? I got some pussy. I picked up on it. How?

Fucked. She jumped on top of me. I don't think. I was, I dove in that bitch. Yeah. How is that? Ben, actually, outside of L.A.,

how has social media and women affected your life? You don't have to get in too much detail. But even outside of L.A., New York, doesn't matter what city. With Instagram now, you could legitimately just meet somebody I don't really do that, though. I don't either. It terrifies me.

I don't really. I'm not saying I've never done it. Same. I don't really do it. He's just saying. That's why you knew you was captain when you said it. 100%. What?

I don't either. Yeah, right. As soon as I said that, yeah, same. No, but what I'm saying, I try not to do that because I don't be knowing who's who on that bitch. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, if I wanted to stick you up or if I wanted to do something to you, you know what I'm saying? My first thing, if you wasn't like, if I didn't know where you were at, my first name was, yo, go hit him up.

Yeah, see what's up. You know what I'm saying? So I always look at that and I'd be like, I'd be kind of skeptical. Yeah. Like, just meeting random people off that shit. You got to be. You got to me. You know, I'm saying.

You got to me. But, you know, that's not to say that I've never done it before. But, you know, I try not to do that. You know what I'm saying? Like, as much as, you know. Rory. Right. I mean.

I was nervous when you asked for the address. Right, thanks. It's like, I recorded my house, sir. Right. I got. That's funny. But yes, L.A. women are, I think, a little... I don't think it's L.A. women.

It's not L.A. women. And we need to stop doing this because I've had my qualms about Los Angeles, but I've, for the most part, been in transplant Los Angeles. Like, I'll go hanging West Hollywood or go to the spots that people are not really from L.A. People really from L.A. are ill- Amazing. It's transplant women that live on Instagram And will just be like, oh Verify Check, YouTube

Let's fuck And that terrifies me Yeah Yeah, but I don't even think it's They don't even care about the blue checks From what I've seen like it's just They just they outside I mean they care about the bread

Like the money is like You know what I'm saying? Of course like you know what I mean But I feel like you know a lot of them girls Like if you know Like in New York I feel like you got to put in a little more fight You know what I'm saying? We just was trained.

We was trained to speak differently. We was trained to speak long, have conversation with women. Like a lot of these dudes now, they don't even have to engage and talk to women in real life. Like, we come from a time where you had to really have a conversation with a girl. Right. You had to go and talk to her if you wanted her phone number. Right. Like you had to, you know what I'm saying?

You had to have some type of conversation, some style, some charisma about yourself where it's like, okay, like, I'll give you my number. Now you just got to show girl your Instagram and. You could be cap and I was in Miami with two Lambo's and all that's Airbnb shit. Those cars are rented. But a girl see your profile. See your page. Like, oh, he, he in the mix. He's moving around.

He doing things. But us as New Yorkers, we had to really talk to women. We had to really court women and hang out. We had to go to dangerous neighborhoods and walk through the lobby with 17 dudes standing there to go see the one cute girl in the building. They knew where we was going. We're not from here. So they're like, you know what I mean? We had to go through all of that just to be around.

some cute girls. Right. Moore had to fight 17 bloods in the Bronx to get pussy. This is a true story. For real? As a kid, yeah. What happened? You said this already?

What we tell again? Just one day after school, I was in the seventh grade, and I was in school in the South Bronx, Brooke Ave. Brooke Ave, yeah. Near like 149th Street, you know, in the 90s, treasures. And I went with my homeboy after he met some girl one day,

and she lived like two blocks from the school. So we walked to her little complex over there. It was one of the newer complexes at the time, too. So it looked nice. They had a courtyard. It was kind of, but it's still Brooke Ave. Willis Abwell out with it, treacherous. So went over there.

It was some dudes in front of her building. We didn't really pay them no mind. We, we were seventh grade. But, you know, at the time, those were, like, high schoolers. But we look at them as like, there's so much older than us when we're in the seventh grade. When we're really, like, homie's only three or four years older than me. You know what I'm saying? So we go upstairs to her crib.

I'm in the living room, my homeway, and Shorty's in the back, whatever. And she keep coming out. to the living room to look out the window. But I'm thinking she's just coming out to look to see if her parents are coming home. You know, as kids, that's all we thinking about. She got the crib. Her parents ain't home yet. I'm thinking she's looking to see if her moms or her pops is on their way.

She come back like the third time and she's like, oh shit, oh shit. And so she run to the back room. And then so I go to the window and I look. And it was like one of those buildings where you could see who's walking up the steps. It's like everything was like the courtyard. You can see everything. And all of those dudes that was in front of the building is coming upstairs now. So I looked like, yo, they come in here?

Like, you know what I'm saying? I was like, we just walked past these dudes and they didn't say nothing to us. And now they come into the apartment, like, and come to find out the girl that my homeboy was there to see, she used to talk to one of the dudes that was down since one of his brothers. So naturally, he saw us going up there. We don't live there. We're going up here. Where else could they be going? And so they came up there.

He started knocking on the door. He horse kicking that shit. The pictures is shaking on the wall. I'm thinking we're going to die, bro. I was like she opened the, like she finally let him in. And all you see is dudes like this, like trying to look and see who was in the apartment. And I'm like, oh, we got to fight all these niggas to get out of here. And then luckily one of the dudes knew me.

We played basketball like in, and Kip's Bay. Oh, and I said, that was the same. I act like that was my cousin. Yo, man. That's all it was. Like, yo, what's up? Like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, they're wild. You started yelling out his stats.

Yeah, yeah. I'm like, yo, we on next week, right? Like, yeah, yeah. I was so bad. When you scored 10 points. As soon as we hit the corner, we took off to the grand concourse. Like, I'm talking about blew it to the concourse.

Never went over there again. That was crazy. That was one of the most scary times. And looking back, it's like, them niggins was only three years older. But they, you know, high schoolers, they look like, I'm in the seventh grade. It's like, he's just grown in.

Seventh grade to 10th grade is a lifetime away. Like, this is a grown fucking dude ready to fight me. Like, it's crazy. And I was saying telling somebody the other day how it was so wild. Like, every time I've gotten robbed, it was never by like my peers. It was always by like grown men. Like, yo, give me your jacket.

You know what I'm saying? Or give me this. It's like now it's like these young dudes is robbing each other. Like we wasn't doing that. Like if you ever got robbed in the 90s or early 2000s, it was definitely from an older dude. It was that time of year. He got kids.

You probably his son's size. Y'all need that jacket. Like that's just what it was. You got on the starter jacket. That's a dedicated father if you asked me. Yeah. But it was never from your person. Pins. It was always New York was just like grimy, but it was older dudes robbing from little kids.

Crazy times in the city, but love the Big Apple. Yeah. Go gentrification. Exactly. Love it. You know, we asked you a question. He was talking about it before the cameras came on. Yeah. But Kanye West. Yeah, we talked about him earlier. Listen, Kanye is, I'm not going, I think it's bailing him out calling him crazy. So I'm not going to call him crazy. I think he's very sane. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's trying to disrupt some system or whatever, you know, when you, in that, in that world that Kanye is in, when you've seen behind those doors that Kanye has seen behind, you know, I don't know what triggered this, but I know that I'm not going to say Kanye is crazy. I think that's, that's bailing him out. I think that he's just, he's very egotistical, obviously. He loves

seeing his name everywhere. He loves seeing people talk about him on every platform. He loves being the topic of discussion everywhere. But it's hard to not say he's crazy. Now, it's hard to not say that there may be something mentally wrong with him at this point after today's sit down with Alex Jones on Info Wars. Like, it's something... Yeah, he was talking about that he support, that, no, not that he supports, but that he... No, he said he's a Nazi and he supports that he says he's a Nazi?

Yeah. He said now what? I'm a Nazi. So I think that he's trying to Are you sure that was Kanye though? Yes. See, this is, now here's the thing.

How can you prove that was Kanye, Rory? That was the thing. This is the thing. Hold on. I hear a lot of. I hear a lot of. No, no, no. Because I know where you're going with that.

And I thought about that and watching it like, this may be another way where he tries to spend that now. I know that was Alex Jones, but that wasn't a crisis actor. That was Kanye. What's his middle name, Julian? That was Kanye Donda West. Danda?

I'm sure that's his mother's name. I don't know. No, that's his mother's name. But, yeah, it's just... Yo, let me ask you a question. If he wanted to come on your platform, can you come? Absolutely.

How about, no, no, he's contemplating right now. He's thinking. Well, he's 3% Jewish. He did his 23. Yeah, I did my 23 of me. 97% Irish. I'm 3% Jewish. I just found out.

So how do you feel about, Tony? And I went to, on our tour, our first stop with Chicago, and I had just done the 23 of me, and I went to see my aunt, my dad's little sister. I hadn't seen him mad long. showed her the 23 and me results and she said, that's your mother's side.

I'm dead. That's your mother's side. She denounced that? Yes. That's your mother's side. That's your mother's side. Yeah. I would have to see what the result of us having Kanye West on the platform would be.

Would it be for clicks? No, I really want to have a different comment because, see, I had to. But is Kanye going to have a different conversation with us? Probably not. I think that Kanye has the type of conversations that it depends on who he's sitting across from. It depends on who he's sitting down. So you think because he was with Alex Jones, he just went off the rails the way. Well, you know, Alex Jones is going to say the most outland.

He's, he owes a billion dollars now for saying the most outlandish shit. He made Alex Jones look shook and terrified on that shit. You made Alex Jones look that way. But that's what I'm saying. I feel like Kanye, you can't have the success that Kanye has had and into the rooms and and influence and change things that Kanye has without being some type of genius. Like the man obviously has a brain.

He obviously... So you think he's a genius? And certain facets of his life, yeah. I think he's a musical genius without a doubt. He's definitely... You think he knows what he's doing right now? Absolutely. You think he has a...

He understands what he's doing. Absolutely. I don't think he's calculated, but I think he knows what he's doing. You don't think he's calculating... And what he's doing right now... I think he is. I don't think it's calculated.

I don't know what it is. I can't see the play coming. but I think that all of this is absolutely calculated. This looks like impulse and insecurity to me. Listen, I think it's calculated. You know, wow, because I've seen something recently that, you know, I see some, I don't know if I'm at liberty to say, but I seen something personally, I know that I was like,

oh yeah, he's calculating and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I think he's kind of, I think he's calculated. I think he's, bro, go back to the, well, can you give us like an idea

of what you saw? Yeah, well, well, I don't want to say, aye, so he, recently,

he says something about someone, right? Um, but two weeks before he says something about someone, that person was secretly at the Astoria Waldorf for him. Okay. Secretly.

Like, like, you know what I'm saying? And, and, and, um, And then the next week, he's, he's like talking about them.

You know what I mean? Like, this and them type shit, you know what I mean? So I'm like, oh, this is a play. You know what I mean? And I know, like, it was secret. You know what I mean? Nobody's supposed to know, but I just happened to know. You know what I'm saying?

And so I was like, yeah, he's playing. Like, he's working. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Listen, go back to. Can you be calculated but be stupid at the same time? Yes. Dumb with your calculations?

Yeah, your calculations can be all. Do you think that? Do you don't, do you think that, um, you think it's over for him? No, as far as what? Like, do you think that like he, he, he dug himself into a place where he's going to be canceled? Like, he just put political response. What is your definition over? No. What's your definition of over? Like, like, like, just like, um, not being able to, like, just not, not as relevant as he was or not, like, just doors closed.

No more this, no more that. He's going to be Kanye West for the rest of his life. So no matter what, it will never be over for Kanye. Well, there's people that were canceled and it's over for them. Like, they was top and then... There's been very few people that have actually been canceled. R. Kelly's canceled. Well, that's the prison system did that.

You can't beat that. I mean, if he came back out... The R. Kelly allegations have been around for 20, 25 years. He was never, he continued on through that entire. But then the only thing that stopped him as far as being relevant and making money was prison. We can, everyone can get on their high horse. And believe Al-Kelly is still making money in prison. Believe people are still still definitely. And I agree he should be canceled, but that doesn't mean that me thinking that would ever stop R. Kelly's income or relevancy. Because we all feel like he 100% did some disgusting

things and deserves to be where he's at. Doesn't mean it's over for him. That's why the cancel culture is weird. I'm going to tell you a story that I never told nobody. Okay. I was about the rob Kanye West. Okay. In 2001, right? I was in Club New York, the same club that Sean shot up. Legendaries.

Yeah, and he was there. I didn't know who he was. He had all these chains. I got a picture. Yeah, like he was there. And I had the gun on me, right? And I was just fresh off of Rikers Island. And I didn't know who he was.

And I was, nah, I ain't pat me down. I got in there with it. And fucking, and, and, um, I was about to book him. I was like, yo, I'm about to get him for this shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? I was like three of my homies. And then my manager at the time, he's, he was like, no. Like, yeah, you can't do that.

And I was like, nah, I'm going to book him. He got, he got this chain. I was really going to book him, you know what I was doing at that time. You know what I mean? And, um, and I didn't know who he was. and yeah so that was my Did your manager know who he was? Yeah, they knew who he was

because he was making beats but I just came home from from Rikers Island so everybody was before so I didn't know who he was yeah yeah I didn't know who he was and he wasn't rapping at that time he was just making beats

2001 right he wasn't rapping he wasn't rapping he was giving beats with hooks and shit like that at that time but he wasn't nobody knew him as a rapper yet though was crazy as Maul was probably in that section with him

No I didn't even I never partying in club mall is from Rockefeller I never partied in club New York with Kanye. Oh, you're from Rockefeller? My brother created Rockefeller. He's one-third of. Oh, where?

Oh, all right. That's dope. Yeah. You was about to get booked. No, I wasn't in club. I never party with Kanye. The only time I've ever... The only time I ever kind of saw the party with Yeh was his first show at SOBs.

I was there for that. And that was 2000... Did you know that he was going to be... Like, did you know he was going to be like... I knew that he was different. I knew that he was different. I knew that he was... was um because at that time everybody was just blaze heavy uh bank bank yeah shout out to

yeah like those were the guys that especially around a rockefeller camp that everybody was getting production from and then when um one day we went the baseline and they was playing a bunch of joints and they was like yo homie's dope he's different he's different and i didn't know who they was talking about and then he was in like the b room working on some shit and i was like oh this is the producer But his style, he had Durango boots on with jeans with a motorcycle jacket. Like, we just wasn't dressing like that. So, like, he was just always unique and different. But the talent was undeniable.

Now, did I think he would be what he is today? No, I don't think anybody saw this. But you knew that he had talent and his confidence was always there. He always felt like he was dope. Like, when he would play his beats, you know, just the way he would, like, present them to you while he was in the room. You just knew that he had total confidence. in his ability. Right.

But I never thought that he would be who he is today. No, no, never thought about that. But I think he's calculated. Like I said, you go back to the song, Wait till I get my money, right? Then you can't tell me nothing, right? So he's been saying this. Yeah.

And remember when he was on punked? Yeah. I do, yeah. That was a, that was a, that was a really good, like, a glimpse. Yeah. A good representation, some negative and positive. Like, you're not about to leave with my art. to Ashton.

Yeah. He's just, so, you know, all of this shit that's going on now, you know, he's saying things that's kind of like. It's not kind of. It's crazy. No, no, no, it's definitely crazy. It's definitely like, what the fuck? But it's just hard for me to, because I got, like, calling somebody crazy to me sometimes, a lot of times is an easy bailout. Right.

Like, oh, he's just crazy. I'm not saying he's crazy. I'm saying what he's saying is crazy. Well, people are calling him crazy. They're saying he's, you know, he needs a help. needs meds and all this other shit, whatever. I'm not a doctor, I'm not a therapist. So I do, but what I can say is just looking at him and looking at what he's created over

the years and what he's done and everything that he's touched in different levels of entertainment, culture, art. He's able to think on a level to where people get it. And I think right now he's thinking on the level where most people don't get it. Like, yo, what are you doing? What are you talking? about what does that even mean what are you saying so you know i i know things have happened in his life that may have influenced this that may have you know turned him into an emotional being

and now he's not cognizant of what he's saying at all times and what it does do you think everything he's saying is ronal or do you think this do you see do you see anything that he's saying right now that hasn't some type of uh no i think he's saying things that are hurting people um and i understand Is there truth what he's saying? As a black man? It depends on what you're talking about. As a black,

I'll answer that. Like, in terms of, in terms of like what he's saying about, you know, the art and, yeah. I think, all right. I don't mean the question for that position,

but the black man part, obviously I won't answer. I think Kanye, when he was on drink champs, thought he sounded like Dave Chappelle's S&L monologue. I think he thought that's what he was saying.

But it came across as him just spewing out words that made no fucking sense. This Alex Jones shit, I have no idea. Like, he's beyond what the fuck, any sense or any thing we could take from it. I think if you watch the Dave Chappelle shit, that's what Kanye thinks he was talking about. I think, and I think that it also boils down to Kanye just really being a man of the Bible and believing that everybody is God's child and just loving everybody. Like, even if you're a

terrible person, Kanye is going to love you and pray for you. What about Pete Davidson? You're not a child of God? No, but even Pete, yeah, he wished death on Pete. He had that whole little thing he was doing with Pete. But I think that that obviously we know was more of an emotional thing because that was the guy that was with his now ex-wife at the moment. So you can understand where that energy was coming from and where that derived from. But I think that in Kanye's mind, he's looking at everybody, no matter how fucked up you are,

no matter what you've done, what wrong you've said. He's looking at you like, I forgive you because God says, forgive all. Like, I think that's what in his brain. I think that's what he's on. I think that he's on this super Bible thumping thing. Okay. He's on the super Bible thumping thing. Okay. I think that that's what it is. Then I would ask Kanye, if he went to do our podcast, what is the point of hell in the Bible? You said what? What would be the point of hell in the Bible? Well, you would have to ask you. If God forgives everybody and it's okay for everyone to do everything because they're God's children, we can do all that, then what the fuck would be the point in this book of hell? Yeah, I mean,

That's something you would have to ask. He had a Bible in front of them at the... But this is what I'm trying to tell you. We don't know if it was Old Testament or New Testament. I don't know what it was, but this, I'm just trying to tell you. I think that he's in that mode of if God can forgive all, then why can't I, if I'm one of God's. I just think that that's where he's at. I think that he's all the way entrenched in that.

I'm going to drink this so I can completely get involved in this process. I'm with it. No. I'm just saying I think that's what it is. See it over here. He's all the way. into like just forgiveness and God loves all. And I just think that that's where he is.

Do you think that's a cop out though? To just everything that's going on and him saying the shit he said. I think that it can be a cop out. I think that it can. But who am I to say that a man is not really all the way into God and into the Bible? I don't know. I'm not there. I don't, I'm just saying like again, the Bible was right in front of him while he was saying these things.

Right. So this is showing you that this is a guy who's like, this is how I'm coming. I'm coming with God. I'm coming with the. the Bible, I'm coming with, that's how he's coming at us because it's right in front of him. That's what he has. Now, if a guy has a gun on the table, you know how he's coming. He coming with, yo, if it's a problem, let me know we can get busy.

He's coming with the Bible, which teaches forgiveness, which teaches love all, with teachers. So I'm thinking that that may be where he's at. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying I think that that's where he is in his life right now. Yeah. The Old Testament's stoned women. Again, it's the stuff in the Bible that, you know, saying we can pick apart and be like, yo, that seems wrong.

That seems wrong. But I'm just saying I think that Kanye Yeh right now is just all the way in on God loves all. So I love all. I'm just telling you, I'm not saying it's right. There's a mic right over here. Not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying I think that that's where he's on. That's all I'm saying.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I just think that that's where in his mind where he is today. And he's going all away with that. it's kind of fucked up because now how do you argue against a man that is all the way in love and living and walking in God like walking with God? You think Kanye West is walking in God right now? He just put out a whole video of killing Pete Davidson.

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