New Rory & MAL - Episode 14 | "Sport Mode"

Episode Date: September 24, 2021

I swear we're more excited than we appear in the thumbnail... The guys went to a Griselda show recently and had the time of their life. They give the listeners an overview of the show and guests (8:00), and then move on to discuss The Fugees reuniting for a show (and tour) (17:02). Our resident Barb gives his opinion on the vaccine and Nicki Minaj's viral tweets (19:35), and then Karen Civil's scandal gets brought up (31:14), which leads to a conversation regarding "standard" business practices and how they need to change. Rory explains to Mal what would've been 'The Activist' competition (42:25), while Mal mourns 'The Messiah'. JD has been calling out Diddy in a VERZUZ, and the guys give their thoughts on a possible winner after discussing the recent battle with Fat Joe & Ja Rule (51:28). This wouldn't be a music podcast without discussing new music (1:14:00), just like we wouldn't be Rory & Mal without a random deep dive... this time featuring Crocs (1:19:30), + more! Like, Comment, & Subscribe! Text us: 917-810-2295 Follow us on twitter and instagram : twitter.com/newrorynmal instagram.com/newrorynmal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm good, man. I'm good. Had a little extended, it felt like a little extended time off. It did. It did. We were able to put out the outcome and stuff that we had been sitting on for a while. It was waiting on the right time. Of course, we had some audio issues that we've thus worked out.

But that was from when we went out to do the belly. thing when we sat with Justice, Boogie, and Earl, extra footage there. Yeah. We were there for like 10 hours with Alchemists. Yeah. I kind of wish we could have posted the entire thing, but I just don't know if YouTube could handle that amount of time. Yeah, it was definitely a lot more.

And the people seemed that they wanted it. I've seen a lot of people hit me up. So, yo, where's the rest of it? Yeah. That's music nerds love this type of shit. And that's why we put it out. But I think we put out the part that we like the most. And we were waiting on that just because it was so music nerdy that we couldn't put that out as episode two.

Yeah. Everyone's like, all right, so I see the lane. They're going. They're just going straight in there. It's like, all right, let's establish the podcast. Let's sit on this footage for a little while and put it out the right time. So yeah, we put that out and we sat for what a little bit before. So it has been a minute.

I feel like I haven't seen you. You look youthful? Yeah, man, I feel good. What is your skincare routine? Honestly, man, just a lot of water. We're 10 years apart and I look 10 years older than you. Well, you know white people, y'all tend to age like bananas and, you know, things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, just a lot of water, man. A lot of water.

And just basic, just witch hazel some days. I'm sorry, see what? Witch hazel. What is it witch hazel? I mean, just to get some of the oil off your face. Like the wicked witch of the West? Yeah. Okay.

It's her special brew that she made years ago. I figured you stayed so youthful by sucking the blood of Supreme employees or something like that. to keep youthful shit going. That's what I figured you did. No, don't start no, don't start your narratives, man. You just went to Soho and slaughtered young Supreme employees. And that's how you stayed looking so young. Nah, just a lot of water.

And, you know, I don't have many vices other than smoking weed. That's it. Yeah, vice that the drinking will definitely make your face age quicker than anything. Oh, you always know the guys that are drinkers. Like their eyes are a little yellow. It's like me. You're looking at me. Well, not not you.

Your eyes aren't yellow yet. You know the Hennessy Kavassier drinkers as they get older. You know who they are. Yeah. No, the cognac I had to really cut out. That was getting. Yeah, that puts a lot. My 20-year-old liver could handle it.

Yeah. My 30-year-old one. I see people drinking and hanging out, man. And I'm really like, at times I'm just amazed at how some of these people can go out every single night and drink and continue to like wake up the next day and do it all over again. Like, that shit really amazes me. Like, I don't understand how that happens. As someone who did it for years and was probably the best. I stat it? No more.

My jersey is in the rafters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna stick with white wine. It catches up to you. It catches up to you. And I've never been a champagne guy. I don't know how people drink champagne. That's the worst hangover in the world.

I feel like somebody sat on my head all night when I wake up. Yeah, like I just, I can't do it. Nah, so just a lot of water for me. I'm getting older, man, you know what I mean? So it's birthday coming up. Like, I can't really. Once I started drinking champagne, I did wonder why your family in particular at Rockefeller drank so much champagne.

Yes, they did. Yes, they did. Yes, they did. You guys see them buying a bar out. I see them buying more Advil than any people could possibly fucking handle after that. Oh, champagne to me, I'm telling you, I don't know how people drink that shit. Like, that hangover is insane to me. Like, I really don't know how people go out every night.

I mean, I applaud them. Just drink more. Yeah, no, I'm just... Get you over quicker. Nah, just pass me the water. Like, I know I looked like an idiot in the club when I go to the bar. Like, last night we went out to a Conway show at what. Epstahole. Had drink tickets that you did not use? I always give the drink tickets away.

I try to use it on a bottle of water. She looked at me like I was crazy. I was like the bottle of water is $5. I would like to use this drink ticket. I don't want to pay $5 for Poland Spring. You know how my father asked me if I'd ever done ecstasy. Mind you. I was like 13 maybe when he asked me this. He had moved to Florida where obviously ecstasy was pretty prominent. And he went out for the first time when he moved out there. And water was like $9. It was. It was. It was more than a beer. You know why? So he was like, why is water so expensive?

Oh. And they told him, and then he called me immediately. He was like, are you and your friends doing ecstasy? I was like, what the fuck is ecstasy? 13. I don't know. The fuck is an ecstasy. Yeah.

But you got to ask. You got to ask. And he was like, I'm down in Florida. That's all anyone does. I can't even get a water at the bar for under $10. It's more than beer. No. And that's another.

I don't understand why, like, it's a lot of things I've been just noticing. Like, at the airports, right? when you go through TSA because sometimes I get you know get out the car you just have some water in your hand or whatever and you have TSA like oh shit I didn't finish you got to throw it away but as soon as you get through TSA there's nothing but a bevy of waters of your selection that you can buy for

$20. The same reason you can't bring it into the stadium because they want you to buy their water but it's like but you could have a bomb in your smart water you don't know that's why. Yeah like do you think this is like some a liquid bomb I'm holding sir and that I'm going to take on this flight and I can't even bring lotion through.

So I've given up on one. Yeah, but it's just certain shit that's just like, come on, man. Like, I don't want to throw this good bottle of water way to go buy your $20 bottle of bullshit. I don't drink vitamin water. I don't drink that. Remember that era? Yeah, like that vitamin water era? That was the nastiest.

That error was so, because vitamin water has always been disgusting. I don't care what anybody says. Terrible. It tastes like it had like melted Advils in it and it just was sitting on the shelf and room temp for two days. and then here you come drinking behind it. That shit was terrible. And I feel like we forced ourselves to like it

because it looked like it had cool bottles and it, that pomegranate shit was the nastiest thing I ever had. Oh my God. That shit. 50's fucking, what was it? Formula 50. Yeah.

That just tasted like Kool-Aid with way too much water and nothing else. Well, you know, 50 tried to, he tried to go the route of quarter water. Like he tried to, he tried to mimic the quarter water flavor with his particular. He didn't hit it. Nah, it was like we.

We taste like a quarter water water water water water water water. because it was 50. He was like, let me just see what this is about, but I had to support. That shit was terrible. Vitamin water was terrible. I don't know how they made so much money, but they did. That shit was never good to me. 50 sold the hell out of it, though. Oh, I mean, 50 was easy. He's still selling the hell out of everything that he touches, but I just couldn't get with that shit. That shit was not it. I'm sorry. No, that was never it. Body armor I like. Body armor is the only, you know, sports drink, if you will, that I actually really like. Like that to me, taste. That's, that's how I also knew I was

getting too old because Gatorade to me is like, all right, that's too sweet. Yeah. Gatorade was always like, we saw Michael Jordan. You know, we thought that we can go out and play like Mike. Never happened. Have you ever been in a full athletic thing and actually tried to drink Gatorade in the middle of it? Yeah. It makes you more dehydrated.

It literally makes sure. But that's the genius of it. You got to keep drinking it. You know what I mean? That's the genius. No, it's some water. And it was like, yo, if you drink Gatorade and you was playing sports and you went out and hit like two shots, you swore it was the Gatorade.

He was like, yo, I'm telling you, I got to have an orange gatorade on the side of the court. Like, that's the only thing that's going to make you play good. It wasn't the gatorade. Let me just bust your bubble. It was not the gatorade. It's never been the gatorade. And if you sweat a different color, you may have lupus. Yeah, and you should go to the hospital.

I would recommend that you go to the nearest health facility because you should not be sweating anything other than sweat. But, yeah, man, back to what we were saying, Conway show last night. Yeah, it was great. It was really, really good. You caused quite the pandemonium amongst the Griselda crowd. You are somewhat of a celebrity. I will say at the Griselda show, I don't know who's more famous. Griselda or you.

We know who's more famous. I don't think so. They're not there to see me. They turned around and looked at you instead of Conway when he was rapping. You weren't saying a word. Oh, my God. That is not true. See, you're lying on me and our supporters.

They did not do that. But yes, there were some people that were happy to see both of us. Yes. Don't just put it on me. They were happy to see both of us. One gentleman made it very clear that he knew we were going to be there. He said, I knew it. I knew I was going to be there.

see you here and I'm like here I am okay I'm here you were right. You were right. But a great show man Yeah it was really great fucking show brought out It seemed like everybody Method Man and Red Man together

That was crazy. AZ All of Griselda obviously I got there late am I missing anyone Did Kiss come out? I heard Kiss and Fab We're supposed to come out Banks came out banks came out AZ came out Which was crazy

Yeah, Papoose came out Did a freestyle Who else came out? But that was Conway set But Stovegod That's what I'm at Was also on the show And Stovegad man

I'm not gonna lie He's one of those guys man That I see he's gonna be He's gonna be a star He's gonna be a star I was It felt good to see A lot of the crowd there

Because you know A lot of these shows Where the headliner Is on They obviously did to see the headliner but it was a lot of people in the room to make sure that they saw stove guys set. And that to me says something.

It was like, okay, people are recognizing that, yo, this dude is ill. Like, he's dope. And it was just dope to see him perform. I never seen him perform before. So that's why I got there earlier because I really wanted to see him. And he did a great job, man.

Like his stage presence, he was very clear. You know, sometimes a lot of these guys just let the track play and they just kind of ad-lib to the track. But he was really rapping. And he looked good. He really looked good. Pacey's that. I like that he's not putting out a shit ton of music. Like reasonable

drought is still still breathing right now. So I like the Pacey's at. Oh, but now he had a great set, man. He did his thing last night. Conway, man, he put on a great show. He made it very clear that he wanted to give, you know, a lot of the New York emcees and rappers before him, their flowers. And he did that last night by letting these gentlemen touch the stage. And it was... Seeing the love that method

met the man and Red Man got was crazy. I walked in right when they came on. And they did. definitely did get a good reaction. Oh, beans and freeway, too. Oh, fuck. Yeah, they touch the stage too. The Griselda fan base is one of my favorite fan bases. I love what they've

done to shift hip hop back into the shit that I love. Love them for that. They're supportive. They actually spend money. They're the type of fans that I would want. But I was a little disappointed in them last night. Why was that? A. Z came out and performed Life's a bitch

and his verse from a phone set. crickets crickets it was disrespectful yeah they stared at AZ I'm like fam

that's AZ performing life's a bitch and then he came to the phone tap and everyone was like but Roar you got to where's the boom boom

booms no this has been out yeah but you got to remember like I said man it's you know you're 31 now and

it's just a difference like a lot of the crowd in their last night seemed like they may have been between 21 and 28. You know what I mean? So it's like it's a difference. You know, you were young too when AZ was

was really popping, but you're different. You're a music guy. You know what I'm saying? So you dig and you listen and you go back and listen to the people that was hot when you were really young. But I can't be mad at the audience not really giving it up when AZ comes out because they're so young. But I feel like the Griselle, the fan base is kind of the more, I don't want to say, intelligent, but they like do research, I feel like. They're an invested fan in hip hop. You have a unicorn on stage performing quite possibly one of the best guest verses of all time. Right.

I understand. You right? Y'all better make some fucking noise. No, I'm with you on that. I'm with you, but it didn't surprise me, is what I'm saying. Like, it didn't surprise me. But then again, you know, when Meth and Red came out and that's kind of the same error. I guess.

You know what I mean? They did like the Rockweiler and that's obviously you got a fucking nuts on that. But I just feel like Conway put together this amazing guest said. No, he did. He did. He absolutely. I don't know too many. I feel like the fans didn't appreciate it at all.

Yeah. No, you're right. Because even when Beans & Free came out, it wasn't as much energy from the crowd as I expected. You know, obviously they did rock the mic and, you know. Did he what we do? What we do, yes. So, you know, the crowd reacted to that and they know those records. They loved it.

But it still wasn't like the energy that I had. I had expected. But again, you know, it's hit amid some times with the crowd. And, you know, we were just on here saying how we don't like to make noise when we go to concerts and the emcees are like, make some noise. It's like, what noise do you want me to make? Yeah, but I feel like there's some exceptions. Absolutely. AZ, to me, I may have hit like a high F when AZ came out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that Sosa? Yo, don't ever call AZ. Sosa. Why, he's not Sosa? Don't refer to A. Z. Save our streets A. Z. Rory. I know the acronym. I know. I know. I did the knowledge. Don't ever call A. Z. Sosa. He's not Sosa?

You can't say it's that Sosa. Don't do that. Come on the beginning of firm album. They did the good fellas thing. That's my man Sosa. I was there. I was there. He's roots for the bad guy in the movie. I get it. I get it. But, um, yeah, it was disappointing. Because we kind of looked at each other like, they don't know. This is A. This is like performing life's a bitch. Yeah. And it was like, but again. Even Shorty next to us that's fucking 25 and doesn't listen to rap music was like, oh, I know the song.

Yeah, yeah, she got it. Meanwhile, all the dudes and hoodies in the front row are looking like, well, when does Westside come on? Yeah. Well, again, and that's another part of it. They're Grisota fans, I get it. That's another part of it. And it was great. Yeah, but for us, for the guys that love this hip-pop shit,

that was like, that was great. Like, I had a great time last night. I didn't, I didn't expect to see all of those guys come out. Shout out to Conway. You know, you can, you can just tell he's, he's, he's, Like he said last night he's from that cloth. He's from that same type of DNA from hip hop where, you know, I got to pay homage to these guys because these are the guys that I looked up to that I wanted to rap like.

And he did a great job last night, man. He did a great, great fucking job. If you got a chance to go see the Love will get you killed to on your city, you check the dates, definitely go see it. I'm sure he'll be bringing out guests in other cities. But I think that we need a, in looking at the show last night, I think that we might need another album from Beans. I would love another album for Beans.

I know he's still recovering from when he was shot and affected his voice. So I don't know what Space Beans is in to even really record like that. He's given a few verse, I think, on the Dave East album and a few others. But Beans is one of those rappers that, you know, he can rap to anything. Oh, for sure. Give him any production. One of my favorite rappers ever. Yes.

It's like, you know, and this era now, you know, how easy it is to, put out music independently and go on tour and things like that, I think that it's a no-brainer. I think that Bean's putting out of album, State Property, doing another album, going on tour. I think there's just a lot of opportunity for the artists like that that can, you know, survive in any era of music. Well, I think with the locks tipset and State Property all going on tour together,

I think that will bring, even if it's not together, some type of music, especially when you have Jimmy on the road with them and you know Jimmy's going to make a studio out of anything. So I think all of them, doing that run will kind of inspire everyone to make some more music, even if they're just there to do legacy shit. I think Beans will probably get with Jimmy and put some type of shit together. So I'm excited for that. I left the Fuji's fucking show to go to that shit.

Yeah, when you text me to Fujis, I was like, wait, hold up. They performing already because I just heard about the tour two days ago. So I was like, how were they having a show in New York already? But you said it was a pop-up. Did a pop-up thing at Pier 17, which is for the people that live in New York. When you go over the Brooklyn Bridge, there's that rooftop state. that you see to the right. And I got there on time.

They said curfew was at 10 p.m. So I didn't, and they said Live Nation wasn't going to pay the extra money to keep it going. So I was like, well, I'm not going to miss, because I got the text of all the people that was coming out on the Conway show. I was like, I'm not about to just stand here with all these corporate people waiting for the Fugis

because this isn't even the crowd I'd like to watch the Fugis perform to. Right, right, right. You know they're talking shit about y'all, right? Right, right, exactly. Exactly, right. So I left at like 950 or some shit to run over to the Conway shit. And then I got to Webster Hall. And then I opened my phone at 1035 and I see Lauren on stage and I'm like, fuck.

Oh, so they did come out. They did come out. They did come out. And the footage I saw looked really good. Lauren looked fucking incredible. So I'm going to catch the real show. Like when they're going to tour. I'll pay for front-road tickets.

That's why when you told me he was at the Fugis, I was kind of like, you know, Khan is my man. I'm like, I definitely would have went to see the Fugis over Conway. That was my plan. Yeah, I'm like, you know what I'm saying? I would have caught Conway in another city for I had to. Mr. Kyle Dionne show too. I felt bad. Oh, yeah, he had a show here? Yeah, in Brooklyn last night. Like the Fugees Trumps, everybody. Yeah, it's the Fugis'is, bro.

Seeing Shine there, and I can say that now because he's diplomat and he's allowed here. Shine looked fucking incredible. Sean looks the same age. Like, it was so, and I was explaining to the person I was with that didn't really know the Shine story of how amazing it was to see Shine in a suit looking so good at a Fuji show in 2021. Right. Like, if you know that story, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like, we're sitting next to something that shouldn't be. Oh, we didn't see it happening like this. At all. We definitely didn't see it coming this way. Yeah, so I was, I was really happy, really happy. Basically, can you relax? Really happy to see Sean. Yeah. Not that I'd know Sean or said. No, no, no. It's only cursed me out on the phone when I was

in turn at Def Jam and that's it. Yeah. You should have told him that. That would have been like a funny story to tell him. Like, Sean, hey, how you doing? Don't mean interrupt you anything. But I'm the gentleman that, you know, back when you were an artist. Right when you got out of jail. The first call you made was my voice.

Yeah, you cursed me out and hung up on me. I'm the guy. That was another. I doubt he remembers that. That would have been a funny story. I hate talking to like, I guess celebrities or artists that I don't know. Because it's awkward. You don't know how to approach them.

And even ones that, like, were very impactful in my life, like, to even tell them that. It's like, they don't know me, but they know that. Yeah. They know that they've been. I'm not going to tell them anything new. Like, hey, yo, you've really, like, changed my life. I know, no, I know. Like, imagine you tell, oh, listen, you really changed?

Like, I know. I know I did. I understand. This is why I do this. Yeah. But yeah, man, it was a good night out last night. I almost didn't want to go to the Conway show just because of, you know, all the bullshit you got to go through now to get these venues. And I knew it was going to be like, and it was.

Like, a lot of people had their Vax cards. And then a lot of people didn't know. you had to have a Vax car. Some people went and got tested and bought their results and thought they could get in. And they were turning, even if you had a negative. Oh, really? And that's a thing. And I don't want to jump into this whole COVID.

Well, you are Barb, so we do have to address some things. Yeah, it's a good transition. They're killing, they're trying to kill Nikki out there for, you know, telling the story from her family and friends and things and things that they went through with the vaccine and all of this thing. And again, this is, I don't know how people are sitting back looking at this whole vaccine thing. But to me, this is just all another distraction. It's all divisive. It's all another way of just separating people and pinning people against each other. And it's just like everybody just has to relax, stop.

And if you would just do one simple thing that we all were told to do and just mind our business. If you're vaccinated, cool. If you're not vaccinated, cool. It's all about you. Mind your business. Do what you want to do. I think people feel like it is everybody's business because it can affect everybody if you believe that the vaccine will cure.

It's not a cure or prevent, prevent, prevent. It's not a preventative thing either. I don't, I'm not a doctor. I don't ever want to come on here and talk about some shit. But we have to do. Do what y'all want to do. And that's what I just said. Mind your business. Do what you want to do.

And, you know, it's, it's just, it's becoming too much. It's becoming too much. And it's just, again, it's a distraction. it's another way to just pin people against each other and to cause unnecessary, you know, arguments and emotions and all these other things. And it's like just mind your business. If you're vaccinated, great.

You protected yourself. You know what I mean? Like if you do catch it because it's not, again, it's not a cure. You can still catch it. You can still catch it. It's not a cure. It just helps with the symptoms. It might not affect you as bad if you're not vaccinated.

But if you are, great. Move along. Do with your daily routines in life. do what you want to do, but we got to stop, you know, pinning everybody against each other just because somebody feels some way about this and others don't. And listen, I'm guilty of it too because I talk about a bunch of shit on this podcast that I know nothing about. I spew shit that's very untrue a lot.

I'm ignorant. But I like to lead with, hey, listeners, I'm stupid. Don't listen to me. Only listen to me for entertainment purposes. People like Nikki are far, far different than me. Yeah, but at the same. Her fan base will follow every last. And if she's not crystal clear, her fan base may think, all right, well, if I take the vaccine, my nuts will get bigger.

No, that's, see, that's in that, no, but I'm not. I could use some vaccine. I need these things to swell a little bit more. Right, but I'm on the opposite end. At the same time, Nikki has a lot of her fans. A lot of Nikki's fans, a lot of Nikki's fans have gotten a vaccine, though. I'm sure. I'm sure plenty of it.

So this is why this shit is stupid because. It's not like Nikki is saying, hey, if you follow me and support me, don't get this vaccine. She put out a story of something that happened to someone close to her family. Yeah. And it's just like, okay, why are y'all killing her for that? Like I said, I'm sure a lot of Nikki's fans and supporters have gotten a vaccine. I do want to come to Nikki's defense because they were killing her for putting that reporter's number out on her Instagram. And if you didn't look at the full story, you would say yes, why would Nikki, she knows what her family is.

base does, why would she do that? They left out the big part of that woman allegedly threatening her family and threatening to put out their information. So I do want to come to bat for Nikki on that because I saw all those reports and I was like, did anyone see the shit before? Yeah, yeah. She's literally on what's app threatening her family

to put their information out. So yes, Nikki's going to respond with the same shit. And again, we got to remember one thing in all of this. Celebrities, you know, entertainers, whoever, everyone is human. Right. Everyone has a family when they're not on social media. when they're not on stage, when they're not on set filming, when they're not on tour, people have

families, people have homes, people have private lives. And when you start to attack people's privacy and people's loved ones and the ones closest to them, all of that celebrity shit goes out the window. Now you're just dealing with a human that is just protecting their family, protecting their privacy. Nikki doesn't care about all of that, you know, how many followers, how much money she has. Now you're fucking with her family. Yeah.

Now you're fucking with her loved ones. So now it's like I don't care about being politically correct and what's the right thing. No, no, no, no. Don't fuck with my family. Don't fuck with my privacy. So again, keep that in mind when you, you know, attacking these people on social media and, you know, you're trying to reach out to these celebrities' families and people close. Keep in mind that people are human.

And all of that shit goes out the window when you start attacking people's privacy and their loved ones and all of that. People become very defensive. And you're going to be introduced to a whole different person that you didn't know existed Because a lot of these, you know, Nikki's from, she's from Queens. She's from the streets. She still has relatives and friends that, you know, you understand? Like, we ain't going, but it's still those people are around us.

So let's- Fuck the Queens part. That reporter was playing with Trinidad. You fucking with a whole different culture that you don't want to. Those things ain't just used to open coconuts, fam. They'll open your head too. They don't care that they're related to the human eyes. Yeah, let's keep that in mind.

And you're playing with a whole different country. with a whole different set of rules. Right. So that's probably not the personal information I would want to put out. Yeah. And just, again, people are human. Just respect people's privacy.

Just because a person is a celebrity and has a major platform, doesn't mean that, you know, they don't have loved ones and they don't want privacy and want their loved ones to be protected at all times, just like anybody else does.

You know what I mean? Like, that's the thing we got to remember through all of this. Everyone is human. No matter how much money or how big your platform, everyone is human. Be kind to people, respect people.

respect people's privacy and mind your fucking business I mean it's really that simple when you really just think about all of this shit mind if you're vaccinated great you protected yourself as best you can through all of this great

why does it matter if that gentleman isn't vaccinated or that woman isn't vaccinated if you are you protected yourself great mind your business and that's all this shit is really about at the core of it just people minding their business if you want to put something into your body, great. If you don't want to put something into your body, great.

Just mind your fucking business. That's all. I just kind of feel for dude, like, you got to look at the way this whole timeline goes. I get swollen nuts, which has got to be uncomfortable. Absolutely. And a little concerning. Yeah. And then you go to your partner and go, hey, babe, about to get married, about to my life partner.

I feel like I can share health concerns with you. Like my nuts seem to be a bit. it swollen. She goes that's my one red flag is swollen nuts wedding over or then and then

the whole world finds out that you have swollen nuts and that your wedding is over or so now you're sitting here with swollen nuts no girl looking at Tucker Carlson asking about your nuts but see she she had to be a real one because if I approach my fiance and say Babe, listen, my nuts are swollen.

The first thing I'm expecting my fiancé to do is put her hair in a ponytail. Yeah. Put her hand a ponytail and get to... Drain those nuts. And get to draining. Yeah. Babe, my nuts are swollen. You know?

I'm like, really? Let me see what the problem is. You know, let me go in there. Let me... Yeah. Because if anybody knows my plumbing, it's my fiance. It had a show her. Or cuff and make me cough.

Exactly. Just like the doctor. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm squaring me? Yeah, check the goose. She was going on. Make sure just check me out.

out. If you can't figure it out, then we have to move to another level and I have to now go to the hospital. Do you think he showed her? I'm assuming he did. I would hope so. I mean, I'm sure he shows his wife, his testicles on a normal day. If I have swollen nuts and she still swallows, that's a rod or die. You got to marry that. If my nuts aren't swollen and she swallows, I'm... Oh, you don't know what's in my swollen nuts and you're still swallowing. That's bravery. Oh, no, she knows what's in the swollen. Yeah, the vaccine. Oh, someone's excited. She doesn't need to get the Pfizer now. It's in her system already. What is that? Moderna? I know

modern nuts when I see Moderna nuts. There's a terrible Johnson & Johnson joke somewhere in here, but I'm just going to leave it alone because it's too obvious. Oh, they're going to kill us. They're going to think we're shitting on the vats. You say again, look, I don't want to get political. I'm really I'm just telling you what's going to have it. This is this. This was hysterical. Yeah. This was this, this was a, it was entertaining in some weird way. You know what I mean? It was definitely entertaining. It was like, oh,

There they go. Now they want to kill Nikki and cancel Nikki and those other shit. Whatever. And then Nikki, who I love, just the last sentence is so insensitive. She starts with my cousin and attorney dad won't get the vaccine because his friend got it and became invitent, which sucks. That's unfortunate. His testicles became swollen. His friend for weeks away from getting married.

Now the girl called off the wedding. So just pray on it. No pray for him. No prayers for him. No pray on it. Pray on the getting the vax. I know. She should also say prayers for him as well.

Oh, absolutely. And if not, prayers for this gentleman, you know, again, that I can only imagine the type of situation that that is. I don't want my testicles to ever be swollen unless, you know, I'm with a beautiful young woman and we're getting, you know, hot and steamy. Yeah. Hot and steamy is the word, right? Yeah, hot and steamy. Yeah, that's the politically correct term. Hot and steamy, I think. I'm just being left at the altar and then you got to explain that.

Yeah, my nuts was swollen. And then CNN explains it too. Yeah. No, CNN wants to talk. to you. Like, fam. I just got, yeah, like, you're fam. I want some privacy.

Like, now the whole island knows that I have swollen testicles now because of this vaccine and everybody wants to talk. I don't want to talk under these circumstances. Yeah, now I got fucking nicknames when I'm walking to the grocery store. Yeah, yeah, they're calling you, you know, big balls. Beanbag.

Beanbag is hysterical. Yeah, like, it's just crazy. Yo, go into Trader Joe's and someone say, look at Beanbag over there. Look at old beanbag over there. Well, I'll just take a seat, buddy. Oh, forgot it. You're walking around with a bean bag.

You could just sit anywhere. Long ball Larry over here. For the curb fans. Oh, my God, man. Jesus Christ. This is crazy. That's what I did about this entire Nicki situation. I just laughed.

I thought it was fucking hysterical. I'm not on anyone's side. I don't really care. Yeah, just again, you don't mind your business. So much. shit happened that I didn't care about that I know we have to talk about. I don't know where I land on the Karen situation either. I still even know everything that's going on.

Yeah, I didn't know. The entire time I was just laughing. Like, everyone is really bored. Everybody is bored. Everybody's in each other's business. Everybody is just... Like us, because we do a podcast. Yeah.

So we're hypocrites. But here's the, no, here's the funny thing, though. We force ourselves to, like, talk about a lot of shit that we don't... It was like, fan, I don't go. I don't care about it. I don't want to talk about that. I don't care. You have to put me on to a lot of shit that's

going on sometimes because I don't even pay attention to the shit. That's the talent of podcasting to some degree. Absolutely. It's being able to accurately and entertainingly, if that's even a word, talk about shit you do not care about at all and make it sound like you care. Yeah, yeah. I was listening to that Karen thing laughing. The same way I'm sure people looked at our situation and laughed.

I know it's serious for those people. Yeah, yeah. That ain't for me. Yeah, for me, I could care less. But for those people, I'm pretty sure, like, you know, Jordan Lucas says he lost $60,000. Crazy. He was having a kid at the time. and he was down his last five.

See the amount of money, and all and I lost. It was over 60. Hey, look, hey. And that's, we're going to get into that. Let's keep it on this because I still, it's still some remnants of people.

Every time I retweet something that, you know, my brother has these great posts that he posts every day. And anytime I repost it, they're like, oh, but you shit it on this dude. And I'm like, wait, is, y'all still think that's what happened? But anyway, the Karen shit, right?

And I know Karen. And from what I know about it, She seems to be a great woman. She does, she's, she's done a lot of good things and good business with people from what I know. My experience of Karen has always been great. It's always been a positive experience. It's always been a, nothing negative. I can, I can say personally about Karen.

But I use myself as an example. There's a lot of people that would say they had really good experiences with me. And then there's a lot of people that say they had really bad experiences with me. Absolutely. I've had a really great experience with Karen. Not to say someone else has it. So it's subjective. But I will say in just looking at the.

the things that we know and we were privy to would join the Lucas in particular. Now, again, I don't, I didn't listen to everything and I wasn't on that, that app listening to them talking about. I thought that was just stupid. Everybody being nosy. But of course. From what I heard, she took money from him. And in all fairness, just from what I heard, I don't know if Joyner in his camp were told exactly what Karen was going to. going to do with that money?

Where it was going to be spent, where it was going to be, you know what I mean? I don't know because from what I heard, it didn't sound like they ever got a verbatim or breakdown. This is what I'm going to spend this money on. So I think the contract that I, well, I didn't read, but Joyner was explaining and his manager was explaining that there was an itemized list of things that she was going to provide for $60,000. Okay, okay.

I don't know if there was, there should have been some type of breakdown not in an Excel sheet. that's Please God, not an Excel spreadsheet. Please God. Yeah. I'm joking. There should have been something where she was,

all right, my fee out of this 60K is 15 grand. The rest will be spent here for that. Right. That is something. But again, I can't blame Joyner so much on that because he was saying how early in his career was. And really, that's the thing for his management.

True. To know and understand. A lot of times, too, though, artists, managers be like they mans and they mans is just as unexperienced as them. Absolutely. Absolutely. And again, that's why a lot of younger artists and younger managers get taken advantage of. But yeah, you got to like learning on the fly. It sucks. What happened to all of us. Yeah. Yeah. And it doesn't make it right because I hate I fucking. I can't stand. I saw a lot of people saying, well, that's how the music business goes. That's the problem. I'm not saying

Karen did that or didn't do that or George's lying. He's not lying. I don't care. But we got to stop with that shit. Oh, that's standard business. So? Right. Who gives a fuck? Right. I don't care that it's standard. It's a problem because it's standard. Why do we all have to go with the standard shit? Because people get fucked so much until they make it and then then they're allowed to play the standard game.

They get excited now because now I'm on the other side. Standard business practices benefit me now. They used to fuck me over. So they want to continue them. No. Once you get in that position, stop doing standard business practices. You know, I'm sure Karen's been fucked over before. Absolutely. She's been in this business

forever and successful at it. Absolutely. I'm sure she's been fucked over. And I'm not saying she's fucking anyone over, but we just have to stop standard business practices and taking advantage of people that we deem talented and really

want to work with. If you want to run around and fuck people over and that's your business, karma will come eventually. But if you really think like, all right, I like this artist in particular, I believe in them. You'll still make money. You don't have to own their

fucking life and fuck them over. Let's just change that practice once you get to the other side. Like being able to get to that side is a privilege. It takes hard work, but it's still a privilege. Let's try to change how that goes. Right. And you know, one thing which I don't understand, right, and again, this is not in talking about Karen and joining in Jesse Wu.

This is not in conjunction of that. This is just the thing that I, the thing that bothers me about people doing bad, business is you really don't have to. No. So it's a it's a purposeful like you're purposely doing bad business because you really don't have to do bad business. Like when people say, oh, that's just how it goes. That's not true.

You can do, there are a lot of people that do very good business. Yeah. Do business the right way. You understand what I'm saying? So when people say, oh, that's just a stop. Like we got to stop with that narrative. If somebody is doing something wrong and they know it's wrong, that's a. that's a problem because you don't have to do that.

Like, Joyner, Karen could have worked with Joyner. And again, I don't know the real story. I know if what Joyner is saying is true and that really happened, then Karen is fucked up for that. She's totally fucked up for that. If it's not true and it was a miscommunication, then that's what it is. It was just a miscommunication.

Things happened, talk about it. We could fix it, rectify it, and move on. But if what Joyner is saying is true, then that's totally fucked up what she did. But again, it just comes down to just do things the right way. Just do, if somebody hands you something or hires you to do a job and they put money in your hand, you now have the responsibility to do exactly what it is you said you were going to do. Yeah.

You have to carry out this job. You have to be, you know, because one of the things that he was saying that, you know, I kind of was like, damn, that's fucked up is they, it was so much communication between them before he paid her. and then once he paid her there was almost no communication and that was like damn you know that's and to me that's the fuck because you can take the money

and say you know sometimes things just don't go the way you expect it you pay people out maybe they don't do the job that they were supposed to do that you paid them to do that doesn't fall on you but it's now your duty to communicate that and to keep that line of communication open with this person that handed you this amount of money and you told them you were going to do a job

because again once you hand me money if you're hiring me to do a job things may not get done but it's not necessarily on me. It could be because this person over here didn't do what they're supposed to do yet or this person didn't send the email or this person didn't do this. But it's my duty to communicate that to you and let you know exactly what's going on. Not say, yo, can you please stop calling me? I'm on vacation.

Yeah. That's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, fuck that vacation. I just handed you $60,000. That vacation on me, shit to me. Where is my money or where is the business that was supposed to be held or handled with my money? You understand what I'm saying? So, again, like I don't have anything. negative. I'm not going to sit up here and say anything negative about Karen. What I will say is

if indeed would join this saying is true and this is what actually happened, then by all means, Karen is fucked up for that. That's just fucked up business. You're not supposed to move like that. I'm not saying it's true. I want to be very clear because, you know, people cut things up and try to say, of course. I'm not saying Karen is guilty of anything. I'm not saying that. I'm saying if this is indeed what happened and she did this and ran off with money and didn't do what she was supposed to do. Whatever, that's bad business. And as a community, as a culture, we just got to start doing what we say we're going do.

We got to start doing business, right? We got to start being honest with each other. If I can't do a job and I'm fucked up and I need some money, I'm not going to just take this money because I need it. And I see that this person is desperate or this person is in a position where they feel like they really need me. And just because I'm fucked up and nobody knows I'm fucked up. My rent is doing this, that, and the third.

I'm not going to just take this person's money and just run off and do something totally opposite with it because again that karma, that energy, that shit is just nasty and you don't want that on you. It's short-sided too. Of course there's an exception to the rule that people that fuck people over can do it for their entire career.

But for the most part, percentage-wise, it's short-sided to fuck people over because news does travel. And people will stop working with you because they hear the horror stories of you fucking people over constantly. It's short-sighted. Right.

And I think a lot of times what happens is people are very you know people's memory is very short shortly. Like you could tell somebody when someone can do something when someone can do something for you.

Exactly. Like people will hear the word story about somebody oh this person's a piece of shit he's fucked up. Time passes a month or two people write back in business with this person and it's like wait did I forget

with this? You understand what I'm saying? It's like yo this do you can somebody need to remind you what this dude just did or this woman just did? You know, a lot of people say it didn't do it to me. And that's the thing.

He didn't do it to me. And I think, you know, again, I'm not trying to go. We're both guilty of it. Been guilty of it. We're both guilty of it. You know, this is a perfect example. Both guilty of it. It would never happen to me.

This person would never do this to me. Unfortunately, you find out this person would do it to you and is doing it to you. You know what I mean? And again, it's just, we just got to get to a point. Or just completely stop fucking with these people. Like, stop giving these people a, platform opportunity to continue to do this. And you know what I mean?

It's like if this person has a history of doing some fucked up business or this person has a history of doing fucked up things to people, it's our job and responsibility to completely stop fucking with this person to where they can't do this to anybody else. Yeah. Because nobody's fucking with them. Nobody's talking to them. Nobody's giving them any opportunities. It's like, yo, you're a piece of shit.

Get the fuck out the way because you're a cancer to this culture. You're going to do more bad for this culture than good and we don't need that. And just that's unfortunately what desperation does. People are still signing fucking record deals. And I get, I get wild because you're fucked up and you need that advance. Exactly. But people, it's circumstances. And people know people, don't get it twisted.

This business entertainment, people will pray on you when they know your situation. Like, this person doesn't have any money. This person doesn't have a home. This person is sleeping and, you know, whatever. And they're going to take this opportunity and this money because they have to. And that's a fucked up position to have to have to negotiate from and have to do business from because, again, guilty of it. You know what I mean? I've negotiated plenty of things out of desperation.

Exactly. It's fucked up. I've been fucked up and I've needed money and it's like, fuck, this is a shitty deal, but I need it. But being on the street is way shitty. Exactly. And it's, you know,

it's just sad that we have these people in our culture that will prey on those type of individuals for their benefit. And again, it's our job once those individuals are exposed and once things come to light and once things are facts put on the table and we know that this is what happened, this is what this person did.

We got to stop giving these people. people opportunity to do this to other people. We got to completely get rid of these type of people out of our culture because it's not forward thinking. It's not progressive to our culture. It's a detriment to our culture. And we have enough information and enough people in positions of power to where we don't need to have people doing fucked up things in our culture. I don't think so. We have way too much access and information now to continue to empower people that are doing fucked up business. I couldn't agree more. Were you paying attention to the activist reality show? No, you mentioned something about it early. I didn't I didn't hear about.

this. It was a show that was on CBS that got canceled because it was social media backlash when they announced it. But essentially, what it was is the initial concept was a five-week reality show that would chronicle, I can't even speak, six activists facing off in challenges. Their success would be measured in metrics, including performance on social media. So they're taking activists and putting them in like a real world road rules challenge type of game. And I kind of wish, I know social media has been pretty good at canceling things lately. Kind of wish they would have let this one slashed. Yeah, that sounds like it could be entertaining.

I would love to see D-ray do an obstacle course in a vest. I like Mice on on Ninja Warrior. I would love to see Mice on on Ninja Warrior. I'm taking Mice in a ninja warrior. Mice going to fall in that fucking pool water so fast. He'll beat the shit out of Sean King. I want to see the challenge. They don't fight on Ninja Warrior.

warrior, they just go through an obstacle course. I feel like don't at the end they have to hit each other with the things? No, that's, that's road rules. That's the Road Rules Challenge type of thing. I want to see Mison versus DeRay in the activist Road Rules Challenge. We shouldn't take everything

so serious. This would be great. We could bring awareness to shit. Yeah, I think that's dope. I think that's actually a great idea. Like we should have Sean King go do an Ancestry.com test. That could be like a challenge to see if he's actually a black. See,

Roe, we always got to find a way to take it back to Sean King and finding out if he's really black guys. Our baby pictures look the same. No, you're right. When you showed me his baby picture, I was definitely surprised like, nah, that can't be. But yeah, you have a point. You actually have a point. But that, to me, sound like a great idea. I would love to see a lot of these activists, you know, in these settings. Because what it does, again, back to what we're saying, it kind of, it puts us all on a more human level to see somebody run through an obstacle course

and see how athletic or non-athletic they are. It's like, it gives you like, oh, this person is like me. I can't do that. He can't do that. I can do that. He can do that. You know what I mean? So it kind of gives you more of a human optic when looking at a lot of these people that

you think are just these superheroes or these figures that are not human. You know, I like it. I think it's entertaining. I think it's dope. With Joe Rogan's success, maybe we do a revamp of fear factor with the activists. And it's like, who can eat this rat for social justice. Yeah, like who's going to sit in a box full of cockroaches? I know mice, he's from the Bronx.

He's comfortable with that. That's just a project department. Yeah, like, mice's going to get that million cash for sure. You put mice in a box full of cockroaches. Chilling. Chilling. You are raising so much money for the children. Yeah, like you.

It's for the children. It's for the kids, man. It's all for the kids, right? Yeah, no, I think I would love to see that. Did the kids know? I don't think the kids ever really know. I don't think they get a couple of book bags on his back-to-school. Yeah, for sure.

You know, you got it. Box stops. cost $500 million. We know that. They still do a box tops? A precept. I don't know. Do they?

Box tops? Yeah. They got to. Yeah. They do? Yeah, you know crayons cost $200 million. Come on, man. Check the budget.

There you go. I'm seeing. Official coupon worth $0.10. Listen, I get how upset people were about this activist show. And Usher was the judge, which is also hilarious to me. Like, can you imagine Usher? Like, listen. No, no, this has to happen.

You didn't protest well enough on this one. Yeah. You didn't rile the people up enough. Have you seen Portland? Yeah. Maybe you should do your research. Yeah, yeah. I think this is a great idea.

I don't know why they canceled this or why social media canceled the idea of this. I think this would have been entertaining. I think it would have raised awareness, raised money. We would have laughed at it. We would have had a good time looking at this shit. I don't know, man. People would just, I think we canceled the wrong thing sometime. I had tweeted the other day.

I'm still feeling some type of way that they canceled the Messiah on Netflix. Oh, yeah, you did love that show. Bro, that was such a, like I don't understand how they felt like that was anti-Islamic, like, it just, like, when you, I read up on it again, because I was like, no, I have to really understand why they canceled this show. What was the concept of again? It was just about Jesus, or? A CIA officer investigates a charismatic figure whose followers believe that he can perform

miracles, and he may be a divine entity or a dangerous con artist. That's a great concept, because if Jesus did come around in 2021, like, who would believe is in? Like, yeah, they're not. But this is. We would be way too skeptical. But at least we needed another season before we felt like, okay, this is kind of like wrong for them to be depicting this type of. I just feel like this one season, I don't see how anybody was offended by this show.

Now again, I'm not, I'm not, you know, saying that there's no way people could be offended because of people's religious beliefs and things of that nature. But it's just like when you watch this show, it's like it never gave the feeling like, okay, they're trying to say that he is God or he is Jesus or he is, you know, it's like, bro, they don't even know that they think that this dude is a con artist and he's just, everything is just coincidence that he's in these places at these times. And it just wasn't enough. Like we needed more to make a final decision on, okay, this is like wrong and we should not be depicting this type of stuff.

Like I just think it was just way too soon and canceled this. If you haven't seen this, the season, watch the Messiah. thought it was great. A lot of people thought it was great. Some people didn't like it. I thought it was like a really, really dope show. I would just assume he was a cologne model that could walk on water. It is a pretty dude. No, he's an attractive man. No, but you know, again, and the writing was good, the acting was good. It was a really good show. Or this is just another way to program your mind to think that Jesus was white. But that's just, that's just my, that's just my opinion on the shit. Now we're going, now we're going to see now. Now we're getting to the two. Like, why the side got to look like that? See?

see that some people might have been mad at that but they're saying they canceled it because of anti-Aislamic something I don't want to get it wrong I read it there was something that people were saying they were saying that it was anti-Islam what about it would be that like was it I guess I'm asking

was it a religious thing as far as I'm God but you got to be Catholic was he running around doing that no that's what I'm saying it just wasn't enough to for people to even feel I don't know man I just, I don't know. I don't know what's going on

with this cancer shit anymore. Like some things that I think should never even see the light of day are on the ninth season. Like, so it's like, all right, man, whatever. I don't know. I don't get it.

But if someone said they were Jesus and the CIA killed them, would you still think they were Jesus? Ooh. If somebody said, say that again? If someone said, hey, I'm God. They walk on water at the Capitol building, all that shit.

And then the CIA kills them. Would you say that was Jesus? Hmm. My Jesus is not getting killed by the CIA. Yeah, no. The CIA is not taking out Jesus. Not, like I said, not my Jesus that I believe in. No.

Because, I mean, my Jesus went, like, he did the cross thing like for us. Yeah. I just don't think my Jesus would get killed by the CIA for us. Yeah, for God right now says he's Jesus and walks on water. I'm going to say, here's a life-footed fellow. Listen, I can walk on Canal Street right now and find you 20 people that say to Jesus Christ. Yeah, like, yeah, he could probably walk on water too. Yeah, so it's just like, yeah, he's life-footed it.

You know, what do you want me to do? He's been practicing this as a kid. He knows how to do it. Like, I'm not going to just assume it. that's it takes a little more than that to convince me that you're the Messiah and your Jesus. So which is what this show was leading to. You understand? So to cancel it after one season was just like, what the fuck, man?

But again, that was just something that I thought about. This activist show, I think that somebody needs to put some money behind this and make this a real thing because I think that that's very entertaining. I'm with it. Or even make like D-ray like the host of the judge and like he gives out vests to like the person that wins that week. And like that's, like, that's how you stay on the show. You made it in the next round. You get the next round. I like, I like you thinking on this. You know what? Patagonia could sponsor it. Yeah. Like, see. Mad ad dollars. Come on, man. Like, you know, let the kids get Patagonia coach for the, for school. And you can just pull in a bunch of, I like it. I like it. I think

that's a great idea. I don't know why they canceled that idea. Look what happened with the power theme song that 50 did. It became a hit. My son does the intro music. See? Here we go. Listen. You can have these jewels for free. Oh, man, y'all like that idea, though. They should definitely look into producing that show. That doesn't sound like a bad idea. Something else that happened. We got the epic IG Live with Fat Joe Snoop.

Yeah. Jermaine DePree. And they got, they got Diddy to call in. They got Puff. They got Puff to call in. Listen, man, I'm seeing a lot of things online about, you know, the way people feel about Jermaine DePree and

let me just say this the versus thing right for me it's not even a battle anymore like in watching the did we talk about the fat Joe Jod that happened before we were recorded right yeah fat Joe and Jha

well we haven't recorded since okay the fat Joe and Jai like let's talk about that first first of all that was a great versus was really good really enjoyed it it brought back a lot of a lot of memories of a lot of nightclubs that are no longer in New York had a lot of great time in these nightclubs when this music was playing.

Reminded me a junior high. Yeah. You were super young when I was on the charts like that. Hell yeah. But the versus, the versus thing, right? It's not, because Fat Joe said something. He said he knew he wasn't going to, he didn't have the hits that Jaru has.

Yeah. A lot of people, a lot of people don't. Let me just say that in case y'all don't know. A lot of people don't have the hits. Fat Joe is mad hits. Yeah. And Fat Joe has hit records. And he even said, I knew going into it, I don't have as many hit records as Jowru.

Not many people do. And which is why he said a lot of people didn't even want to battle Jai Ruh in the versus. I said, that's a tough battle. That speaks to, you know, Jaru's career alone. But there's certain times because even in the Jha and Fat Joe, you know, versus, Fat Joe would play a record that I loved. That wasn't a hit. You know what I mean?

but it's like that was my shit. But then job plays put it on me, which was a fucking a monster record. So of course. One of the greatest rap records of all time. Right. Of course that record, it was the bigger record.

But again, it's all about, you know, your taste and what you like. Because when he did the shit from, you know, the twins and all of that. Of course.

The big, the big pun record and all. Had Remedy do puns verse. I'm from, I'm from the Bronx, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? That record to me is always going to just hit different.

You was in the middle of Little Italy. And you didn't do dittily. Yeah, I didn't do dittily. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything, Rory. But to me, it's like, damn, it brings back all these feelings and these memories. It's like, damn. But, you know, and put it on me, it's like, oh, shit, that's a smell.

But it's like at the same time, I would probably play that big pun, fat Joe record before I play put it on me in the whip. Oh, yeah, because by yourself, for sure. You know, so it's just, that's why the first thing. That's probably putting on me as a point forever, though. Yeah. No. we ain't got to talk about that. But it's just like, I can't...

Like only juicy, maybe beats and put it on me. Right. It's only very few records that's going to be put it on me. But that's why I can't call it. It's not a battle to me anymore. I think this is just a performance, a show, a concert, because that's what it is at this point. It's a concert of some of our favorite artists

that had some of the greatest hits in our culture, just displaying their catalogs on stage together. And it's not, you know, the whole JD puffed thing, right? People are like, oh, you know, Jermaine DePrin got no, what are he going to play Chris Cross?

What are he going to play the brat? The entire Confessions album? So this is what I'm saying. It's, you know, it's just like, it's not a battle. We can't call this thing a battle anymore because there's no definitive winner anymore. It's not like somebody's Michael Buffers

coming out at the end and saying somebody won. You know what I mean? So it's not like, it's not a battle. Yeah, and I feel, and just quickly go back to Jaru and Thadjo. I think Fat Joe went with the Locke strategy and it didn't work for him. I think he studied that locks

dips that shit way too much and thought he could do the same thing against Jai and it just didn't work. Well, Jai is a different animal. It just didn't work. I see what Joe was trying to do. It just didn't. The lock strategy is not for everybody.

It's for the locks. Yeah. Like you only kiss can break into the who shot your freestyle and like it click for people that didn't even know that freestyle. Right, right. So that's where I think Joe just went.

Joe should have just stuck to his own hits, not try to go the route the locks did with the freestyles and some of the besides joints. You got to understand why he did that. I get it. He's got to try something. He's got to go against. Not only that, he doesn't have the hits that Jaru here.

So he has to keep it. He has to keep it. He has to keep it more like, oh, that verse was crazy. He has to keep, he has to go that route. You know what I'm saying? So with the JD, a puff thing, which is, it hasn't been announced. It's not official.

they're trying. I think on the IG Live Puff agreed that he would do it with JD. I don't think it's fair. For everything that JD has been talking about and said when we were in the studio, he's now said it publicly, so I don't mind saying it. You could put me in a room with an MPC. I'm coming out with these songs. All these people they want me to go against can't do.

Like, why would I do that? Right. Right. And that's another thing. What are the rules? Now, are you able, if this Diddy and Jermaine Dupre versus happen, what are the rules? Are these gentlemen just allowed to play any song that came out under their respective imprints? Because if that's the case, who's beating Puff?

Who's beating Puff? No one's beaten. You understand what I'm saying? But now is it only songs that Puff produced? I just don't think, and I've said publicly and gotten killed for it, I think Puff is the greatest ear in music history aside from Quincy Jones. Yeah, I mean, he is the greatest year ever. I just don't think that's

fucking fair. Like, J.D. made all the like literally made. And not to say Puff definitely produced a lot of these records. Produced doesn't necessarily mean touching instruments. Puff definitely put a lot of that shit together. Puff is one of the best producers on Earth. For sure. Absolutely.

But if I'm JD and I'm literally penning every last one of these songs, arranging every one of these songs, touching every single instrument, yeah, I'm gonna be like, no, you can't play that. Like, you did. didn't make that record. Well, here's the difference, Rory. Like J.D. said, the money and the thing, I write the songs that the whole world sing. I don't know about y'all, but every night I sling

in a Ferrari or Jaguar, whereas Puff, don't worry if I write rhymes. I write checks. So that's the glaring difference. And like I said, if we just talk about playing all the songs on my imprint and my label versus all the songs on your imprint and your label, who's beating bad boy? I can't think. I mean, if you know what I mean? If you count cash money with Drake and Wayne, they would, Dave would be a valid one. Death Row just didn't have a long enough run,

I feel like. Yeah, cash money would be the only one I could think. Bad boy is different. It's different, you know what I'm saying? We ain't even got to spend much time on that. So that's why, again, you got to, it's all about what's the rules. Is it only records that these gentlemen

both produced? Then it's more interesting. It's like, okay, now it's, you know, because Puff had played a record on the live, with J.D. was like, but you didn't write that. And that's a remake. You know what I mean? Like, it's...

So he has valid, you know what I mean? It's like, you see what... You see what Jermaine DePri is trying to keep it. Like, records that you wrote or produced only. Versus records that I wrote or produced. And then you have to go into the definition of what a producer is. And is... Are you a beat maker?

Because there's beat makers. Here we go. There's beat makers that are producers. There's producers that can't make beats. It's a very slippery slope. And by all means, Puff is a producer. One of the greatest producers ever. Let's be very clear about that.

100%. Puff is a production. Buff is a fucking genius. Absolutely. J.D. is a different part of the brain genius when it comes to music, though. So I can totally see him being like, no, I'm not, you didn't touch nothing on this.

What are you talking about? I think it would be another thing aware because, like, going into the locks dipset thing, a lot of people just wrote the locks off and was like, the dipset was going to kill him. I think that this would be a great way for Jimman. DePri to remind people of who he is in his work, his catalog, and what he's done. Because like he said, he's in the songwriters' Hall of Fame.

A lot of people didn't even know that. But a lot of people didn't know that. You know what I'm saying? So, again, there's a certain amount of respect that his name and his career, you know, it requires. You have to put a heavy amount of respect on Jermaine DePree's name. He's one of the legends. He's one of the great's writer, producer, he's been doing it since he was a kid. Got to respect them.

I think it would be entertaining for us. I think it would be great for the culture. I would love to see it. I know Puff kept calling out he wants Dr. Dre. I don't think Dr. Dre

would ever step in the versus type of a situation. I don't think he would just sit across and just play his catalog for entertaining purposes. I don't see Dr. Dre doing that. But again, you know, things happen.

Yeah, that would be interesting. I don't know if I could see Dre doing that shit either. It would something else would have to be attached to it for him to do that type of a huge check. Well, he's a billionaire. I don't think he'd do it for a check.

Something would have to be attached to it that would matter to him. Like if he was putting out new music or putting out a new venture or something, money would never do it. You can't book Dr. Dre. You can't. Exactly. And that's why I'm saying he would never do it because what are you going to say? We're going to give you ownership in this.

We're going to give you, like, I don't even know what you tell Dr. Dre. Like, how do you even negotiate business with Dr. Dre? Yeah. It would just be nice, though, to kind of close that chapter of. music in a really nice way. I think that would be the moment for it. Like,

because you see, we get a new fucking Biggie and Pock doc or fucking movie. Every five minutes, someone else, like, someone has to interview every person that happened to walk

next to Tupac in Vegas that day. Like, it's getting fucking annoying. Yeah. And it's, I feel like tarnishing a legacy that is much more than the night in Vegas

or the night in L.A. or what was going on. It would be a nice way, I think, that would Puff and Dre together to go through that history because the music at the end of the day was what

really mattered impact-wise to the world. That's why I hate when people keep doing all this shit on the murder conspiracy stuff like though you know those are people with families and like they're trying to get over this and y'all won't fucking stop talking about it.

To just focus on the music and what bad boy death row and obviously Dre is much more than death row but just that era, them to on on stage together to close that and be like, all right. It's really unfortunate what happened, but let's look at the impact that came from us and has continued on.

Yeah, let's look at where Living Testaments. We're both at a point in our career and business and that we probably didn't think we could ever reach, you know what I mean? So I get it. I understand that. I think it's definitely, you know, Dr. Dre is one of the unicorns in our culture. Like, you don't see him. So for him to pop out and do that, it would be amazing for the fans, for the culture.

do I think it would ever happen? No. What does Puff play when fuck the police comes on? Fuck it, man. Throw juicy on, man. Fuck it don't go. I'm going to always say juicy. I'm going to always go juicy.

I think it's a greatest rap song on a while time. Fuck the police and who shot you? Why not? Fuck the police is going to win that though. I mean, we're talking about fuck the police. I don't think there's a single record in a versus battle ever that could be fuck the police. Especially in 2020.

I can't think of none right now under under the bad boy imprint off my head. But there's a record, I'm sure that... Take that round off. I just would. You got to take the round off. I'm going to find a record. And it would be a great record, but it ain't going to match fuck the police. Yeah, no.

The energy is just different. It's way different. Puff was more about having a good time. Sexy vibes. The women are around. Let's make them comfortable. Let's everybody have fun. So, you know, the energy is a little different.

But there's some records in there. I mean, I puff had said he would play victory. That would be his first record if he started. Okay. Domain to pre-court victory, a mediocre. record. I felt some, I wanted to say, J.D., I, listen, I love J.D. But it's like, fan, victory is not a mediocre record. I'm biased, and I've said this privately and gotten killed by older people in my life. I think Banks took victory. Like, it's his now. People have murdered

me behind the scenes that are older than me. Like, you just, you didn't know what victory was. Yeah. I'm like, I get it. Like, no, I watched Buster Rhymes look like a gargoyle in the video and scream that. I think victory is amazing. But Banks, to me, in my era, just took, that's his now. Oh, yeah, Banks, but again, it's a reason why Banks chose that record. You understand what I'm saying? It's a reason why Puff redid Banks freestyle and made it a real one.

Yeah, yeah, because it's just that victory is just the energy, the build up to Biggs verse. And it just was so special off that no way out. You know what I mean? Underrated out. Yeah, that was. So when Puff said, I would start with it. With that, I was like, we got to see it.

We got to see Puff on his versus stage. We have to. I don't give a fuck who he's sitting across on him. Yeah. We just have to see Puff on a versus stage. We have to. I think Dre is the only one that makes sense. I like, I mean, yeah.

I mean, but again, I don't think Dre would do it, but I'm not mad at JD either, though. He got a lot of records over there, a lot of fucking records. And it's not a battle no more. It's a celebration of catalogs and great music. Be a good R&B night. Fan. The greatest verses ever.

get to play the whole my life album? I know we're dragging this at this point, but why not? I guess. I would. Did he work on it? Or did he own the label? I really don't know Puff's contributions to my life. I don't know. I really don't. I don't know. He could have. I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

Always be my baby Mariah. Mad records all for my life. See, but this is why it needs to happen because we need to see. We need to see that back and forth. Yeah. We need to see it. So hopefully it happens. I'm looking forward to it. But if not, I'm pretty sure the next

versus is going to be something that we didn't expect because now I don't even know who would do it if it isn't puffing Jady or puffing Dre. Yeah. I don't know who's left. I know nobody wants to call Farrell's name out. I didn't hear anybody get up there and yell they want the clips. I didn't hear it. I haven't heard it is what I'm saying. So I don't know. I guess Yee would be the only one that would go against Ferrell. Oh, come on. We know. We know.

God, Jay, we know. He's going to send somebody up there in the black mask that looks like him. unless he could dress the entire audience that would be at versus. Everybody has to put in a parka in the desert. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. We're not even thinking about that. We got to get into Kanye's. Is there a union for Kanye's models?

They need to unionize. I don't know, but I was watching. There's some bad work labor laws happening with Kanye. I was watching some of the album release parties or whatever you want to call it. And the way that he just had all of those people that were standing like around the house. just running in a circle, I was like, fair. These people have been running for about 27 minutes straight with security, with bulletproof vests on and Parker coats and all this other shit.

Fucking mad hot. I was at the Atlanta show. It was hot as shit in that arena. Everyone was in winter coats. I was like, yo, these people, I know are going to have heat exhaustion. I mean, looking at it on TV, it looked great. Just seeing people move this way and other people outside of them move that way. and in the house in the middle.

It looked amazing. Kanye is a visual genius. Like, we know that. But these are humans. These are real people down there working running around like this.

But I mean, Ye does what I would probably do if I was a billionaire of just like ridiculous, ridiculous things. Like if I was a billionaire, I would literally have Rizza walk next to me

and just scream that shit is ridiculous at any situation that I didn't like. If I was at the bank and, you know, I decided, this shit is ridiculous. I would just need Rizza next to me if I would just need Rizzo next to me

if I would, was a billionaire to just scream that every time. I would have two crump dancers next to me as I walk down the street everywhere. But I'd calmly be walking down the street. And it just be two people just crump it. I like that. I like the optic of that. That's actually dope. I like that. These are the types of things I would do if I was a billionaire.

And I think Kanye, who is a billionaire and has thought about this way more than I had. He's just doing whatever. He's just going to have people here. I think today I think it's what people will run around my house constantly in all black. Just running around. And if you think about it, you're employing people, giving them opportunities, putting money in their pocket. If I got to run around Kanye's house and I don't have a lot of money,

I'll do it. Lace up the Adidas. Yeah, I'll do it for sure. I'll sprints around your crib. What you need? That's just, I don't know. Those are my billionaire thoughts. Speaking of Rizza and shows,

that Wu-Tang Hulu show that I can't stop saying enough good things about, four, five episodes in on- I still didn't start it. It's incredible. Second season yet. It's seasons, it's halfway through season two. It deserves an award, and they have not even started on 36 championships yet.

They're still building the studio. That's why the first, the first season to me was crazy because it's like, yo, they're not even the woo yet. Like, no. It's great. I just, it's not really a spoiler. I just watched the last episode before I came here. Ghost hasn't even picked his name yet.

Right. He's still Dennis. Yeah, see, I got to start the second season. See, don't tell me to. I got to start the second season, man. I have to. I have to. Like, I'm mad. I didn't, but I was like, I'm going to get to it. And then I got caught up in this show on Netflix that I told you about Squid games. You've spoken highly that.

Bro, listen, that is some sick shit. Like Squid Game, that, and again, we watched our platform, Netflix, the platform, and we thought that that was sick. And it was like, oh, that's crazy, just the thought of that, like, society. It was all types of, you know, analogies based on society and people and governments, that type of shit. It was a lot of that type of shit in the platform. Squid game, to me, is leaning on that type of.

feel as well. And what's the synopsis? Of it? So they have people that are kind of like you know they just grab people

and put them in this in this thing where it's like a game and they have to perform certain tasks in order to basically live. Like if you don't complete the task and you fail like

they kill you. Is this the activist reality show? It could be. I think I think it's weird was it got it's it's kind of might be like a spin-off. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

The scripted series. Bro, like, when you're watching this shit, it's like, you don't think that what's going to happen is going to, there's no way you're watching it's the first episode and think that what's about to happen. Like, you're not even prepared for it. Because when it started happening, I was like, what the fuck am I watching?

But you can't turn it off. Yeah. So now I'm on episode five, I believe it's nine episodes. Nine episodes. I'm on episode five, and I'm going to finish it tonight. And I'm telling you, bro, you start this, you're not going to stop. Because it's just like one of those shows where it's like,

what Sigman wrote this? Like who wrote this? I think that about a lot of stuff. Who heard this and was like, put the money behind that. Let's make this happen. It's so many things where it's like this. I'm really watching a series like this. It's insane, but it's interesting.

It's a lot of, again, analogies with society and life and the way, you know, people's circumstances and the risk they take and things like that. And it's just, it's a lot in that shit. And I'm anxious to see how it ends because, again, I, the first episode, I was like, there's no way that this is the entire show. Like, this is what's going to happen every episode. And it's season one?

This is one season. One season. It's the first season. It's season one, nine episodes. Oh, then I knock that out tonight. That's what I'm saying. Like, I just started doing other shit. It was watching.

Successions coming back. Random, I'm sorry. Yeah. I heard Emily and Paris too wrapped. I'm, listen, I don't care what you say, Roy. I'm in TV time. I'm with you. I'm excited.

excited about Emily and Paris too. I don't care, DeMaris, you can laugh. It's just funny you got Tim's on and said that out loud. You got Tim's and Camel on. It's like, yo, Emily and Paris just wrapped. Emily and Paris season. Season two, listen, man, I think she takes the trip with him to San Trope. No way Emily would do that.

I think she goes. I don't see her turning it down, DeMaris. I think she went on the, because I just want you to know that I'm excited about why wouldn't Emily go on the trip? Because she had a first date vacations, of woman? She's still in Paris. She's still in Paris, but she has a boyfriend and a guy that she was seen on the side invited her to San Joseo Pais. That horror. She was only going to go because she thought her boyfriend was going to take a job in another city. He was going to move. But then he

tells her, I decided not to take it. And this is why women are pieces of shit. You understand? Like, women really ain't shit. Look at this man working, trying to provide for her. And she just wants to go to fucking Brazil to get a fucking her body done with her side dude. Emily didn't want to do that. I don't know who you're talking, but who you're referred to. I read the script. They wrapped.

Yeah, I don't know where Rory just took us. I don't know who you've been talking to, but that's not what Emily wanted. I'm talking about just a friend of mine. Just stuff my life or anything. I get it. But yeah, man, I'm excited. They just wrapped it.

I think they said it's going to air maybe top of 2020. Okay. So I'm looking forward to that. But yes, watch Squid Game on Netflix. Catch up on the Wutang. I got a ketchup on the Wutang. The actor that plays Riza. he in season two he went full blown

rizza accent like he went right for it in season to drastically changed like he went through puberty and now he's full blown risa voice and it's fucking distracting and hilarious because only rizza can sound like riza and not sound weird he's sitting there like yes god yes god we need to put this together god and it's like wait what am i watching right now

But he does a really good job. I see people giving him shit. How else he's supposed to do Rizza? Right. He's doing Rizza. He's just not Rizza. Right. Yeah.

Like, don't kill him for not being the real Rizza. Yeah. That's how Rizza talks. Yeah, I got to watch it, man, because I was very, very entertained and I loved season one. I think they did a great job with that. Davies is smoking that shit. Yeah.

So I got a catch up on that. A lot of new music came out. Mm-hmm. A lot of R&B music is out. That is true. There's a lot, a lot of R&B. I was listening to Seven's album, Seventh Street is album. drunken words,

sober thoughts. I love the record with her and Lucky Day. That record is probably easily one of my favorite Army

records right now. No, seven smoked that. She was, and I'm happy for her, because she was due up for the attention

that this album is getting. I feel like she's one of those that's been through the ringer on label politics before. And now,

like, finally is made of a deserved priority. on shit. So in that the album, the music, fuck all that. The music is great.

Yeah, it's a really good album. I like an album a lot. Anita Baker's music was finally released for streaming. Oh yeah, I did see that.

I downloaded every Anita Baker album, the best of Anita Baker. Download all of that shit. So if you didn't know Anita Baker's music is now available for streaming.

Nice. My favorite, maybe one of my favorite albums of the year already. This artist by the name of Black Odyssey, B-L-K, Black Odyssey.

put out an album called Black Vintage that is fucking incredible. It's by far one of my favorite. It's like, I mean, I hate to put this on artists when you compare them to other people, but it's kind of like a childish Gambino

meets good kid, mad city type of vibe. It's really fucking good. I went to a show in Brooklyn and just the band, the transitions, like he's an up-and-coming artist. obviously he's not like in a huge venue or anything, but their show is already better than established artists.

Like it was fucking insane to be in a basement watching that show. Like this should be on a festival stage right now. This shouldn't be in this basement in Brooklyn. Like Black Odyssey? Black Odyssey. The album is fucking incredible. Wait, no, you let me hit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. No, I've sent your stuff. No, he's really, really good. No, I like him. Mazzie's album came out. Untreated trauma. Mazzie has been consistent, man.

He's been consistent. putting out dope shit, dope records. I really like this project. I like it too because he got right to it, 10 tracks. He didn't give us, you know, a whole bunch of records and unnecessary try to trick the streaming system and all this other shit. Ten joints, right to it.

Got a lot of dope records on there. I like to join with him and Babyface Ray. Who else got a record? Tim's put a project out. Which I got to hear in the right environment. Yeah. That one you got to be. Well, you know, Tim, she had a show at, at SOBs too.

Really? Yeah, she had a show SOBs last weekend. Yeah, she was at SOBs. I didn't even know I would have went. I would have definitely went. That's probably mad women there too. Yeah, no, for sure.

Was it an S? Yeah, it was the S-O-Bs. Her doing S-O-Bs is crazy. Who else put some music out? This kid out of the West Coast named Drew. He got a record, Love Me for Me with Mazi. Okay. I like this record a lot.

I got to lock in on Drew and pay attention to what he's doing, but I think he's going to be one of those ones out of the West Coast that we're going to start hearing a lot about a shout out to Drew Who else? There's a lot of music came out.

Kyle Dion put a project out Yes he did Sassy. That's my guy I'm sorry I missed your show I will see you later today album's really great I gotta go to a Kyle

Dion show I've seen him perform like two or three songs He's performed at Ard Live podcast before Yeah I gotta go

I want to see his show which like It's his set up It's his you know It's his night Like I want to see him In that type of setting

Yeah he's dope Because he's one of those artists that has a lot of energy and a lot of movement, but still can sing well during it. Because there's a lot of singers that, like, they got to stand there with the mic, and you're going to get my vocals because I got to stand here. He'd be moving everywhere.

He's one of those artists. He'll outdress your bitch and take her. Like, like, Kyle go up there and some wild shit, and your girl will be wet as shit. Like, who is this straight man that can do this? Yeah, yeah. that's the, you know, that's the, Kyle is different.

I'm really, fuck with Kyle. That's, you know, French used to have heels on and with the pants connected to the hill and. Yeah, and I like what Kyle did on this album. It definitely was a little more outside the range of what I think people were expecting

with some of the traditional R&B shit that he's known for. But I really like his album, Sassy. Check that out. On the more A-less side, Cole put out that freestyle over the, yes, he did. Yeah, because I love that record. as is and that beat.

But I'd like that the A-listers are hopping on and just doing freestyles over other shit. I love the fact that Cole is just, you know, if you just watch Cole's transition over the years, he's completely, he's the epitome of, I don't give a fuck. Mining your business, too. And minding your business. Like, he don't give a fuck. He's not with all the shit that, you know, we try to put on rappers and, you know, the stigmas that we try to put on rappers. and the, you know, the stigmas that we try to put on rappers,

and rappers are supposed to look a certain way, and he's supposed to move a certain way. Like, Cole don't give a fuck about none of that, and he still raps better than all of y'all, and he's still putting out better albums than all of y'all, and he's still, like, he's just, he's the epitome of, I'm doing my thing. And I know we live in a microwave society

in the sense that we hear an album and forget it. Cole is still very much up there for album of the year, and it's not even related. doubt. Like that album is still as replayed by me at least. No, for sure. I listen to that shit all the time. Absolutely. And that's why I saw a video of him. He was performing

I think it may have been in New York. He's walking back. He got tie-dye shirt on sweatpants and crocs. I saw the crocs. I'm like, what rapper is hitting the stage with Crocs on? West Side Boogie. Really? I don't know. When we were in DR, he wore crocs the whole time and I was like, wow, I've never seen. I've never seen it. I've never seen. I've never seen. I've

I've never seen somebody from Compton and Crocs. Like, where did you buy those books? But that's what I'm saying. But that don't, in DR, it's like, you get a pass. You're supposed to. It's a lot of sand. It's a lot of waters. No, he made me want to.

I've never had crocs before. And the way he wore him, I was like, I think I could maybe pull some crocs off. I've never worn a pair of crocs. And I've also sworn in privacy with the homies that I would never wear a pair of crocs. But you want to go back on it. Salahy just designed some crocs. No, those look crazy. That I can.

not wait. No, those are not. See because, yeah, they're Crocs, but he played with design a lot. Those are fine. You know, he added some colors. He added, it's like, okay,

I'm not mad at those being, now I still would never, you know, I'm never going to be the guy that wears crox and like, you know, I'm not going to never get too far from home. Like, if I have those type of shoes on, I'm close to the home, I'm close to the crib.

I'm not taking those and wearing those to go downtown and, you know, go by the studio. No, no, no, no, not. Because me personally, I was always taught wherever you leave your house, always have on sneakers or something that you know in case anything happens, you're good.

Like, if you go downtown and I'm going to go to the studio and I bump it to somebody that has an issue with me that I had no idea about and I didn't want to get it shaking and I have crocs on. I mean, but the crocs, they do attach to your heel. You may get some traction. That little strap won't pop so fast.

Sport mode. Sport mode. Oh, that's when you put them in sport mode? We put them in sport mode. Yeah. That's fight mode. Wait, is that a real term? No, yeah, that's a real term. Look.

Yo, imagine seeing your op and put your crocs in sport mode. Look, there's relax mode and then there's sport mode. No, imagine seeing someone from across the club and tell your people, yo, they're going in sport mode. And everybody hit the back of the heels like, do. Don't do that. You can crocs three times and put them in sport mode? Who made this up?

It's like push to start. What? It's like push to start. It's like push to start. like push the star edit it stop telling me that what the oh look not he's right when you pull the heel back that's like

that's like pulling no the one picture say four by four mode what is four by four mode that's when you ready to jump somebody all for you yeah this is hilarious I never see I was never this invested in crock so I would I would have never known about

sports mode on the crock but just seeing the eyes in sports sport mode the whole vacation in sports mode. See, but that's okay. It's different now. He's from Compton. And but sorry if I snitch on you to let the world know you wear crocs, but he wore them well. It made me think I could wear crocs. Fam. He was in sport mode. The whole trip.

It's fucking hilarious, bro. I never heard about this. And I'm mad that I know about it now because now it's like... It's a real thing. You can put these in sports mode. But see, these salé joints, these are not bad. No, it's a five. I really like those. These look really dope salé. He's been on a fucking run. He's, in my opinion, the best shoe designer of rank. now period. And I don't even think it's even fucking close.

Y'all, y'all. Y'all could have the off-white. Get it, yeah. To me, I love what Slay's doing. I love what, with Jerry is doing the Fair God. Like, those are my two. He's doing everything different. I just like different shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, no. This is, and we can sit and talk about it all day, but I love the way he's, you know, putting it into clothes and it's like a whole story that he's painting with it. He knows what he's doing. Slayy knows what he's doing. Shout out to Slay. That's the homie.

So you would say your Tims are in relax mode right now. Yeah, these are relaxed Let the people see They're in a relaxed mode Yeah, these are their relaxed mode Very relaxed mode Yeah, I tend to be a relaxed mode But they

These can quickly go into sports mode How do you do sports mode? How do you do sports mode? Well, see with these you have to just Because the way I have them I have a knot in the top Shoe string All I have to do is pull at

Okay Once I pull that and choke the Tim With all the other holes Just follow suit and just get tight And you see my Tim's looking choke know that it's about to go. If the sides are touching, just no. It's about to get crazy.

Have you ever been in such sport mode with some time to react that you tied the laces around the back of the heel sport mode? Wow. I've never had to get that sporty. Okay. Yeah, I don't recall ever having to get that. More like an ice skate than a tim. Yeah, that's, I don't know why I would have that much shoe string left,

like to be able to tie it around. What exactly am I wearing? Maybe my 40 below's. Of course. I don't lace those all the way up. You'd be a psychopath if you did. If you late your 40. If I said somebody with the 40 below's laced all the way to the top, get out of his way.

No, it must be 40 below. Yeah, yeah. It better be 40 below zero outside. It must. It better be. You better be somewhere where it is frigging, deadly temperatures outside. If you have your 40 below's laced all the way to the top. How did you feel about the 40 below's when the skinny gene era came in?

And people were still wearing the 40 below's with the skinnies. It's a nasty look because only because. the 40 below's if you ever seen juice and, you know, Bishop and juice the way he had him. You're supposed to have a more baggier look. Not too bad. Yeah, not. But it's supposed to be more gene to kind of relax over the boot a little bit.

So it's a certain aesthetic that comes with the 40 below boot that you just always should have. So the skinny jeans is kind of like you don't want to go too slim. I know it's hard to get super baggy these days. Even though they're trying to bring baggy jeans back. I'm not going back. I can't go back to super baggy

jeans. I don't mind wearing them a little with a little room in it. I'm at my age of what I'm wearing now is what I'm going to wear. Yeah, like I'm not going back to the super baggy mode. I'm not doing that. But yeah, the 40 below is a certain way.

It's a certain way you wear the 40 below. You got to have a little, little wig room in your jeans and your pants in the leg area in order to really get the 40 below look off right. No, because when skinny jeans came, they put them on and it felt like dudes was like trying to highlight their calves.

It's like, bro, I don't need to know the definition of your calf. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't need to do that. But, yeah, I didn't know. know about this crock and sports mode, Eddn, I'm glad this is what you're here for, but you're here to let me know, you know, these, these intricate things in our culture that I have no idea about. You're welcome.

You know what I mean? Thank you, man. I appreciate you. Look at what you think is in the culture. It is. Edding just pulled up a whole PowerPoint presentation on sports mode and relaxed mode. I had no idea about this. And four by four.

Oh, since we were talking about the box. And four mode. Well, yeah, come on. When it's four by four mode, no, it's really, I got the squad with me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's about to get active in here for sure. Imagine your whole crew going out. With crocs in sport mode?

Like if I see a bunch of dudes walking by me with crox on a fam, y'all are not intimidated to anybody. I'm sorry. Yeah, but then you got to think, listen, if I get jumped by some dudes and some Tims, it happens. It happens. Oh, no.

If I get jumped by somebody, a crew in crocs, if you put the crock to my cheek, if you crock pop me? Yeah, I would rather get jumped by dudes with crocs on. Let me keep it real. If you slow roast me in the crocs, get crock potted, I'm not doing it. I can't go home.

Oh my God, look at what we're happening. And imagine like the imprint on your face from the rubber. Getting beat up in a pit with somebody by somebody to pay at crox is just like, you can't come outside, man. Anything that, anything can happen to you. You know what the little things on the crocs are called? Like the little. Do you work for crox? Yeah.

I just so happen to own crox. Okay. No, what are they called charms? Uh, you were close. They're called gibbets. Excuse me? How was charms and gibbet? close, you know?

Oh, no, you were close. It's just a completely different word. Crocs, you know? Jibit. Gibbets. That almost sounds racist. I don't know why. It just sounds like a racist word.

We do not need Roryamal Jibitz. I heard you. No, we do not. I still even know what Jibet is. We do not need no more. No, we got to sell crox. Fan. We got to.

We got to sell crox. No, we do not. Okay, we can't. Only if Shalahey designs it. We're not that dope. What you mean? Why not? That's my guy.

We talk often. No, I think, man. He's not designed in the Rory and Morric. I think, I think, I think he would do it. I think he would do it. If he did, like, some one of one, and we made 10 pairs at most. Yeah. That'll be fire.

He'll do it. And we can auction them off in the activist reality show. We could be the activist and give it to charity. Andy would have paired of Rory and Marrachers? Yandy would, yeah, Yandy would get those off. I think Yandy would get off the Rory and Marrots. Designed by Sellehi, worn by Yandy. Yes.

I like it. Worn by Yandy. How do they say it? Don't ever say worn by Yandy to me? As seen on Yandy. What is the name of the show that you want to do? Activist United. What is it called?

Activists, I think. Activist warriors? Jibits. I can't get past Worned by Yandy. Yeah, Worn by Yandy. Imagine that you're trying to break a brand. Zamb by Salehi, worn by Yandy. I like it.

I think it has a good ring. I'm with it. I'm with it. I'm totally with it. Yeah, I'm going to hit Salééye. We'll get the. The gibbets, which again, I feel like that's maybe an anti-Semitic word somehow. Yeah, they're going to find a way.

You know words that just feel racist? Somebody's definitely going to find a way to be offended by the word gibbets. 1,000 of us. Yeah, I don't like it. Damn gibbets are out there again. They're making too much goddamn noise. Get these fucking gibbets off my lawn. I'm sick of these fucking gibbets.

These gibbets keep walking on my lawn. You already know that. Somebody's going to try to catch the words. Jibbits? Are you kidding me? Somebody's definitely cancel. Holy shit. All right.

Well, to close the crock conversation. and the music conversation. Boogie did put out a freestyle that was really dope. I like the visual for it. Really, really dope. I don't know if he, did he release? Because he kept saying, I need like 2,000 comments and all that shit to put it on SoundCloud. This is the one he read the visual photo, right?

Yes. Okay, yeah. I like that. He killed that shit. Listen, man, you know, I see a lot of people giving Boogie his props, man. But Boogie is definitely one of the younger rappers that I really, really like. It's called Float. Floats, really, really dope.

the singer on it Mammy is her name she was really dope too on that record I'm excited for Boogie's album really really excited for it You know what else what I'm excited for? Drake's I'm gonna keep saying that Summer Walker

Wow she's coming soon She's coming soon just remember I'm just listening I mean you never close the deal So I don't really care Yeah Listen she got a crazy album coming man She has a crazy And if she releases it around

the holidays Thanksgiving Christmas Listen man That's all you're gonna fucking hear The entire holiday What if summer and cash doll Did a record together on that album

Oh my God Don't call me Are you putting crocs on your hands at that point? No I'm gonna probably I'm gonna probably Just design some more gibbets I need the summer

And cash gibbet I would love a summer In cash jibbid myself Jibbitt me That EP? Jibbett Shib it the hell out of me. Summer's cash?

That EP would be fire. You might have just did something. You joking, but you might have just did something. Listen, you can have that jewel for free too. I don't. Listen, man. Yeah, so I got, man, my birthday is when Sunday? Happy birthday.

What's the plan? What's the plan? I don't have no real plans, man. Maybe just do a little dinner. Okay. You know, relax. It's just so many restrictions and, you know, you got to have Vax cards and all this and a lot of my friends, you know, they don't have that.

And you're friends with Nikki, so. Yeah, it's, you know. It's just be a dinner swollen nuts. I wanted to invite Nikki and obviously I know I can't because, you know, whatever, but I don't know. I might just do a small dinner, some friends, some family. Maybe I was thinking about going away for a couple of days. You deserve that.

You should go away. Yeah, so, you know, I think it's a big one, man. It's a big birthday for me. So I'm, um, I got to do something. Yeah. If men cared about birthdays, I would, like, plan something for you. And I don't, you know, I promise you. I don't care about my birthday.

But I have a twin sister, so obviously she... Oh, shit. She's been hitting me. As much as I love her, I always forget she's your twin, not just your sister. She's been hitting me, yo, let's do it. And I'm just like, you know, she... Because women just love celebrating their birthdays, right? Yeah.

That's something that I think women just love to do. But I'm the complete opposite. I don't care about it being my birthday. I could care less. I'm thankful to see another year. Yeah, I'm just like, you know, I'm here. I'm healthy, you know, blessed. I'm grateful.

And that's it. I don't need the celebration. I don't need anybody looking at me singing. I don't need. I don't need that shit. You don't need your birthday fit? No. I just don't need it.

But so she's been, she's been hitting me. She's been wanting to do something, playing something. I'm trying to tell her, like, things are just so different now with these restrictions. Like, so options are limited.

Do you think your girlfriend in Atlanta will plan anything for you? I don't have a girlfriend in Atlanta? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why. I don't go every weekend.

I feel like there's a woman that you may like. I don't know. This is speculation. I don't know anything. I'm like women in places I've never been. I like women in fucking Africa. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but you just don't go to Africa every weekend.

I don't go to Atlanta every weekend. I've been two weekends in the last month for sure. Feels like a girlfriend. Only in the last month, though. And it's been for work in business reasons. I went to the LVR and writing camp. I took an artist down there that I'm working and I'm helping. And that was pretty much it.

Like, I didn't. Listen, it's your personal life. I just hope she does something for you because you deserve it. Yeah, no. Especially on your birthday. See, now everybody can think I have a girlfriend. Who is it? Who is it?

Oh, this is her. Anyway, they see the money bags now. She's from Atlanta. This must be her. Like, it's just, no. I don't have a girlfriend. So, yeah, I don't know what I'm doing. Like I said, I'll probably end up just doing a small dinner.

Okay. Some like that, family and friends. Do you have cake on your birthday? Cake? Yes. I'm not really a cake guy. I'm like cookies. Fruit?

No, I like, cookies. I was never really in a cake like that. I was more cookies. I found this great cupcake spot on Carmon though last week. Again, another sentence that's funny in Tim's. Just funny and fatigue. I'm just a funny sentence and fatigue.

I'm just cultured that way. Like, this is what happens in New York. You walk around New York and you see a great cupcake spot. They had like latte. First of all, you put a sign that says latte in the window. I'm walking in. That's the easiest way to kidnap me. If you ever want to kidnap me, just put latte on.

If it's a chai latte and you have oat milk, I'm walking in. So I was walking by this place. And it's one of those. If you were on Carmine in 6th Avenue, New York, all of those little stores just look welcoming. They look like living rooms. It looks like somebody's apartment. It's like, oh, let me walk in here. Walking there, I order a chai latte.

Amazing. And then I asked, I said, do you have vegan cupcakes? And these two beautiful women at work that they were just so welcoming. And we sure do. Yeah. Come on. When somebody says, we sure, do you have to support them? I ordered this cupcake, and I didn't eat it until I got back to the crib.

And this was the greatest cupcake I've ever had in my life. Let me just say that. I was so mad I didn't buy 20 of them. I'm just picturing them all getting the cupcake and being like, I can't eat it here. I have to take this. Like, him being in the Uber, like, planning how and what he was going to do while he ate the cupcake. Because the thing is, did you like, you turn on your show? No.

Did you, like, did you have to wind down? make me sound away, but yeah, that's exactly what the fuck I did, Roe. That's exactly what the fuck I did. I turned on my show and I enjoyed my fucking cupcake. Lower the lights. But the cupcake was an innocent bystander because I didn't go in there for a cupcake. Took your fitted off. Yeah, I went in there for a latte.

I went in there for a child latte with oat milk and the cupcake was just an innocent bystander. The cupcake is the fucking star of the show. Let me just tell you, it's the place. I'm so mad. I don't remember our next episode, I will give the name of this place, but it's on Carmine. The cupcakes are fucking incredible. The latte was great, but the cupcakes stole the show. Well, we're going to get you some cookies and cupcakes for your birthday. Thank you, man. Give me some vegan. Please. There's no meat and cupcakes.

No. You fucking vegans just keeps changing the ingredients of everything. That's not with vegan. It's no animal product. It's no milk. Where's the animal in that shit, man? It's dairy and desserts. It's milk. It's egg. Those are animal product. There's beef. Those are animal product. There's beef and cupcakes? It's not just meat. If you happen... Okay, if you happen to have children, would you like your wife or baby mother

to breastfeed that child? Yeah, but that's different. That's not... It's fucking milk. Yeah, but see, that's the difference. You vegans are such hypocrites, man. We're supposed to consume milk from our species. We are the only species that consume milk from other species.

You have to milk cows. Like, you have to do that. Or that big-ass weird thing they have right there, it'll implode. It's too much. Or the female cows will just come along. They'll look like they took the vaccine in Trinidad. Listen, man, if you want to eat drink milk, listen, black people.

I don't like milk. Roy, let me just tell you. You're all lactose and tolerated. I know. Every black person is lactose and tar. We cannot do dairy. We do it and we just suffer the consequences. Like, that's just something that I got tired of.

I was like, yo, I cannot keep eating this baked mac and cheese. and then an hour later I'm on the toilet moving back and forth like Ray Charles. I just got tired of doing it. Wait. I just got tired of doing that. Maybe I am like Sean King because you have fiber issues. Uh-huh. So that's a thing for me is just, you know, the bathroom.

Yeah. Maybe this entire time me and Sean King have both been black men. Yeah. Oh, dairy bothers you as well? Of course. Leave that shit alone. Sean, what are we doing over here? Yeah, like that.

Well, let me tell you something. When I started going, first of all, I went pescatarian for a while. for like two years before I became vegan. And when you start to notice that the way your stomach used to gripe and like the gas is not normal, like you're not supposed to be doing that to yourself. And that's the first thing you notice. That's how I know you're getting old because you said your stomach griped. Bro, that's what it's called when the gas starts griping you?

I know. Bro, listen, let me tell you, like before I really gave up dairy and I don't want to gross, I'll listeners out. But the reason I did was because this last time I had this baked mac and cheese, my stomach heard it so bad I thought my appendix bust Damn Like that's how crazy that gas was

That this cheese had given me Like I was like bro I think you consume Oh I was a mac and cheese fiend I was a mac and cheese A assassin Like you could put mac and cheese anywhere And I would go in there and just try it

But it fucks me It literally started tearing me And I'm And the moment you start to get away from that And realize like That's abnormal We're not supposed to be putting ourselves Through that

You won't ever touch it I promise you I didn't I never thought I would be a vegan. Never in my life that I think that I would give up all animal products, meat, I never thought that. But when you start to feel the way it makes you feel like, you don't feel anything. You feel great.

You feel it's more energy levels. It's like I'm never going through that again. Like I just can't. I don't know how people do it. I see people drinking milk. It hurts my stomach just watching them do it. I definitely do a solid. That's just me.

I think milk is for children. But that's the only time I can really drink milk. It's not even. If you ever change the diaper. Have. You look, see that green shit? That is not normal, my friend. That's from the cow.

So the cow's swollen nuts? That is not normal. Like that maybe should not be going through that. But again, man, do what you want. But yeah, I'm going to give you out of name of this cupcake spot, man. Ed and don't laugh because the lattes and the cupcakes are fucking amazing. I'd probably go with you next time. Yeah, definitely.

We should go on a little. I'm taking you with me too, Rory. I would go. I mean, my mother was a diabetic, so I just don't like sugar. But, you know, I'll try it. The vegan burger? Oh, my God. The vegan cupcakes are amazing.

Vegans can't eat sugar either. The fuck do y'all eat? No, no, no, you can eat sugar. Okay. I'm saying like a sugar-free alternative. Well, no, I've just never been a sweet person. My grandmother, when she would take me and all my cousins out for ice cream when we were kids, she would really go back to that.

I think there's something wrong with your son. He doesn't get excited for ice cream. I still think there's something wrong with this. Well, no, now it's way more evident, but it wasn't because I didn't like ice cream. It's just because I'm a psychopath. But at that time, it was like, no, I just, my mother didn't have sugar when I was in her womb. So I don't get excited for sugar. Yeah.

I just don't like it. We just need to be more health conscious. That's all. Yeah. Especially as you get older. Like your body starts doing shit and look in certain ways. You're like, whoa, I got to. But I love that era of my grandmother of how they dictated if there was something wrong with a child.

It was the dumbest thing. He didn't get excited when I said we're all going. All his cousins went crazy. He was just like, I mean, I guess if that's what y'all doing. That's where we're going. Like, okay, hooray. Cool. Ice cream.

Yeah. That's what would have put me in therapy if therapy existed in the. early 90s. You didn't like ice cream. Yeah. Like something's wrong with this child. Yeah.

But yeah. So yeah, that's it, man. Another birthday, another year. I'm grateful. Blessed. We've accomplished some really good things. We got some really dope things on the way. I'm excited to announce stuff.

Yeah. We have a lot of announcements coming soon. A lot of things happening. A lot of things moving. So yeah, man. You'll see more of us. Way more of us. Way more of us.

Yeah. Fuck. But in a great way. Got a lot of dope shit that we're doing a really, a really dope team that we're putting together. So yeah, man, things are, things are just really starting. More sketches are going to come. A lot more shit.

We're just finalizing this other end of shit. And then from there you'll be getting constant bullshit from us. Like it or not. We're here. Deal with it, motherfuckers. Yeah. So yeah, man, next week, I guess. If not, things change.

we won't be back or if they do we will be back. Who knows? Let's hope we're back. Where are the bosses? We make the fucking rules. We do what the fuck we want. So yeah, man, until then, that's the ginger bit man, Rory. I'm all.

Hey. Y'all be safe. Be blessed. And we'll talk to y'all soon. Peace. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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