New Rory & MAL - Episode 148 | Did Chris Rock Get His Slap Back? ft. SMINO

Episode Date: March 7, 2023

We’re back from WTF Studios. Demaris is “beat to the gods” as she prepares to take no accountability at SZA’s show. Meanwhile, Rory was showing off his new tattoo. Julian spent another weekend with “the cast” at the SNL after party. This leads to an engaging conversation regarding Chris Rock’s response. Throughout this conversation we’re joined by Smino. Smino shares his thoughts on his fashion and his album/current tour. He also discusses Lil Wayne’s reaction to his ranking on the all-time list, as well as how “90 Proof” with J Cole came together. Tune in as the guys discuss all of this + more! P.S. Check out the guys guest feature also available today on Chris Distefano’s podcast ‘Chrissy Chaos’ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am. Hill? No, Lauren Michael's the owner. Lauren Hill? Lauren Hill. No, wait. No, no, no, no. Hold on.

Hold on. Y'all throwing some sick fucking names out of them. You all throw us some sick. He just named your first name. Lauren was there. When someone says SNL and you hear the name Lauren, who the fuck thinks of Lauren Hill? You think of the Fuji's, clearly. I thought.

Right here. Queen or something. No, Rory and Maha. Stop blind to self for all this shit you should need to. I'm getting used to being love. This news say he's got two. I said I'm cool. I say this tune.

I wrote for you. I'm a picture. Welcome to a new episode of the new Rory Moll podcast. I am all. I'm Rory. And we are joined with the crew. on set today how y'all how y'all feelin? I love you, Ma'all smell as good as DeMaris

though, I'm glad y'all are sitting like... I'm sure I smell better. D'Maris looks like C-3PO. What do you say? Bath and body works. He said you look like C-3-P-O. This is Killian, baby. Mom, I know a good...

This is Killian. Watch it. You sprayed and then walking into the air. Yeah, I shimmy through the midst. It is giving me lost in space vibes. I'm not mad at it, though. I like the fit. You're on your way to see the one and only

the legendary scissors laid on today. This fit says I will take no accountability tonight when I sing the X. Oh, not at all. You jump the aliens? Not at all. Do you think, I think every woman in the garden tonight will just be specifically talking about the same exact man the entire time with no accountability, no responsibility. Oh, we're in New York. Yeah, we all talking on the same man.

Pretty much. Which of your exes is going to be top of mind during the show? Or does it change per song? It changes per song. What about for God? You got a love language sub. Oh, yeah. Then you got to.

I might cry. You gotta fuck him because I missed you, one that comes to mind. A weekend. You're gonna, you cry at concerts? Damaris definitely cries at concert. No. The only content I've ever cried at was Jada Jackson's concert. Oh, I mean, you were a kid, though, that doesn't care.

Yeah, I don't cry. I don't cry. I don't cry. Because I'm about to say you're so, like, emotionless. Yeah. You think Demaris is emotional? Yeah, absolutely. Nah.

I have. Yeah, she talks about death. That's different. She's like, she's disturbed. That's because I'm so traumatized. and disturbed that like, I don't, I cry when I'm happy. I don't cry when I'm sad.

Sad things make me laugh. You look at death in the eyes and just laugh at it. You're like pretty much of Jada kiss album. For sure. A Jada kiss album? You know when Jada kiss asked us and why are you? Why do we cry at death and not cry at birth? I never even thought about it that way, kiss.

Like, why don't we cry? And my thing is kiss, he never saw a baby cry at birth? Word. Like, every baby cries when he's, and he's never seen anyone laugh at death. Put me back in my womb. I'm sorry. DeMaris was definitely born like cold face, no cries.

That's not. I didn't cry ever. They had to pinch her twice. Don't, wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no. Y'all like, they're dragging me. They're dragging me. But it's okay.

Y'all didn't hear D'Marys. You didn't cry when you were born? No. How do you know that? My mother told me. Parents are liars. You just came to. No, they wouldn't.

They wouldn't, they wouldn't, that's not. She would never lie to you? No, she'd try to make you sound you'd be. A lot of babies don't cry at birth. That's, no. How do you know that? That's why they smack babies on their backs or on their butts to get them to cry

to expel like water, I mean the fluid out of their lungs. That's what we're saying though. Like even after they gave you a smack on your backside. Oh, after they spanked me a couple times, yeah, I let out some sounds. Mayor's like, fuck off me. What a freak. Nothing to change.

Foreshadowing. I'm actually a very emotional loving person, but the world is not, so I got to go out here and beat up. Here we go. It's exactly. No accountability. The world is so cold. This is the pregame from Cizzer right here.

The world is so cold So you had to get coldhearted on the world? Yeah. I hear that. So I'm not going to the Cizzer concert. No. Why not? So there was an extra ticket,

which I then put in the hands of Demaris. How did you choose the friend? Well, I'm leaving for Los Angeles tomorrow, and I have to pack, and it's going to be Bays' first time on a flight. So I have a lot to do. Yeah. And I just feel like me going to Cizzer concert

would be irresponsible. So the extra ticket I have, I gave to Demaris, to then select, which I said it better be a girl. You better not bring no dude on my dollar. I'm not more. I don't pay for dinners for y'all.

All right. Damn. You know DeMaris didn't even think about us. Right. Fuck me, right. And Julian. I'm going with another girl so I wouldn't bring you guys. Well, Julian's like that. So how did you make this selection?

Did you want to go like the hurt friend? Did you want to go with the friend that don't give a fuck? My best friend isn't a happy, happy, healthy relationship. But she actually starts her new. The worst is a constant friend to go with. She's a civil engineer. She starts her new job tomorrow. also she could not be out all night.

Okay. So I actually pick. You don't want that friend to go anyway. A very beautiful young lady. Are you courting? You're grooming her tonight? She toxic. Yo, we have to talk about women grooming other women though.

Because men, we get all the flag for it. Women groom other women. What are you bring it? Yomi? No. Her name is, I'm going to keep her name. Well, don't say her. She's a sweet girl.

How did you meet this young woman? Sweet girl. You're just in the middle of the podcast today, so all questions are going to go to you. I met her on your birthday. Oh, shit. In the bathroom of the. 4040. Okay. Yeah.

You know, whenever they meet at a bathroom, they're friends forever. In the stall or where at? Like, about the same? No, I came out and I was just like, you're really pretty. And she was like, no, you're really pretty. And then we exchanged Instagrams in. Enjoy that concert. We support each other. It's so much easier for women. But an authentic friendship.

No, it starts in the bathroom. It definitely starts in the bathroom. So how much communication was in between my birthday and now? Did you just like pop up with a ticket? We're friends on Instagram. She came to my women's empowerment. Yeah, but you never are on Instagram. How do you talk? Are you going to sciss it after sizzar?

I mean, it was an attempt. I'm not mad at the attempt, but, you know. Shoot or shoot. They missed, but they shoot. This is why I shouldn't be on cameras. But it's cool. I'm just happy that you're going to the concert with somebody that you think you'll have a good time with. Yeah, exactly.

I'm not thinking as deep as these. Is she by? Like, what's her, is there sexual energy? What's the thing? I don't, that's none of your business. Whoa. So yes. Right.

Whenever they're like, none of your business is like, all right, that's a yes. Damn, man. So Chris Rock. Y'all watch this, but no, no. No, we're not going to get to that very quickly. I did watch, I did watch the special. And I have my, I have my, I have my, uh, my theory about it. Demar's watched it too, guys.

Uh, we're shooting at WTF Media Studios today. Are you excited about that? Is that where we are? Yeah, we're not in Rory's house. I know, no one's ever seen this background before in podcast history. Ever, ever. I did not know. Very genuine.

We are at WCF. Uh, shout out to Weezy. Shout out to Alex. Mm-hmm. And, um, yeah, man, so, so, uh, first of all, y'all went out last night. Mm-hmm. Who did? Y'all won all the guys?

So it was just Julian that was in the text, Tomah, he was on 40th Street. Yeah. My little cousin popped up in the city out of nowhere. I planned on going out. I was going to go with Roy. I had tickets to go to the Smino and J.I.D. show. I was excited.

I just got tattoos done. I was going to maybe even give them half a sleeve. Like, I was going to roll up the sweater so they could see the work. At the Smino show? You don't think they was out there? Mad men. Many men. Come here.

I'm going to say you said no hose was there. I didn't say that's what you just said, though. That's not what I said. I said who? You said, you think they were out there. That means you think there were no women there. No, but I'm just to pull up the sleeve. Yeah.

Yeah. That's kind of great. At a Smino. I would love a jacket. I would like Zeno. That'd be my type. You saw how quick word was to take the hoodie off today. He was excited about his tattoo.

At the Smino's, no, here is fine. Here is fine. You could take off the shirt and the jacket here. Because they're in here, right? You see Rory at the bar leaning all over. Like, yo. Yeah, like, you saw the white boys. What you drink?

One arm up at the show, like he was tripping with the one arm up. Sleeveless shirt. What if I went that for? That would be nasty. Yeah, that would be nasty. I saw somebody, what show was, oh, we were at Division show. And it was a guy at the show that had on the, yeah, Daniel. No.

Not Daniel. But it was a guy at the show that had on like a sleeveless vest. Like a sweater vest. Remember the old sweater vest? Yeah. Of course. Yeah. He had that.

I have a lacrosse one I think somewhere in my closet. Why? Because from like that era. Wait, but the vetted. The T-Hast and then what was under? The T-Her or just raw? Who was just straight? Just straight-viff?

Yeah, raw vest. Straight arms. No. No. No t-shirt underneath it. You were still, like, heavily in the streets at that time. But when Fonsworth Bentley came out, like, we bought sweater vest, bro. I'm not saying I've been wanted since then.

We had to wear a uniform in school. So I wore sweater vest to school. But that was like in the late, like, late 90s. Like, I thought those was over once, like. You weren't in the club with it. Never. Like, I didn't know that was a thing. Don't do that.

Because at one point, we had to wear hard bottoms of getting the club. And that went well with hard bottoms And it's crazy because the only reason they wanted you To wear hard bottoms in the club Because they figured like You don't, guys wouldn't fight if they have one 100% is the dumbest thinking ever That's the dumbest thing ever

The back of a hard bottom is way worse than Timberlin And I'll fight no matter what I'm wearing It's not-Rory speaking from experience What I'm wearing And you can just get them shit's buffed real quick Like you can clean them It's hard to clean Tim's So you went out dress shoes

Just go to Penn Station Can we talk about how Julian wrote In the group chat Rory said something about the special Julian was like, I'm at the S&L after party. Which had nothing to do with what I was saying. To the point that I didn't even want to give Julian I didn't want to kill him.

I was misinformed. I was like, oh, maybe Chris Rock did SNL tonight. At the same time as a special. I didn't want to be ignorant. I even Googled it. I was like, why did Julian just say that? But you do that a lot. Like, no, I don't. No, when you're somewhere,

your buddy from Atlantic takes you ever. You guys ask me where I'm at. Nobody did it. We didn't ask you that. I'm not going to let you get that. Literally nobody. Nobody asked you, where were you? Nobody.

Quick review on what the Chris Rock special was, which again, we will get into. I just gave one sentence. And your reply was at the S&L after party. That's exactly. Well, because I wanted to talk about it, but I was occupied. I couldn't. I was talking to Paul Rudd. But we didn't ask for.

Wait, no, my. No, no, no, no, no. That's nasty. That's a nasty name to just drop. I mean, I was just talking to Paul Rudd. What? No, no, no. All right, I'm not even getting to Paul Rudd yet.

He just said he wasn't available to, to talk to us when we wasn't talking to him. We weren't asking anything else. I never go about 14. So I was at 40 like third. And I was like, oh, I'm nearby. Yeah, he told me he was uptown. Yeah, he told Julian he was uptown.

Yo, I wanted to talk about the Chris Rock show, but I was with Paul Rudd. What? Yo, there are so many names. So how was the party, man? Get your shit on. So my friend. You know white women was going nuts at the S&L. My friend is really good friends with Travis Kelsey's manager.

Always, right? Your buddy from Atlantic. So you really want like the deflects bag version of this? A good friend of his owns a Spaniard. So we went to the Spaniard first, had a table there, eight drinks for free. Thank you, PJ. He's the owner, one of the owners of the Spaniard. Great guy.

And then we took the car to the S&L after party. And we were with like Travis Kelsey's extended guest list. like we're on his thing because by way of my friends where was Travis Kelsey in Kansas City? He hosted. He hosted us in the way. He was there. His brother was there.

He was incredible. So he was incredible. So he walks in. Well, before he even gets there, I'm just looking around and stuff. Everyone's there. Lauren's there. Lauren was there until like four in the morning. I am. Lauren is.

No, Lauren Michael's the owner. Lauren Hill. Lauren Hill. No, no, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Y'all throwing some sick fucking names out of him. Yotho was some sick

He just named our first name, Lauren When someone says SNL and you hear the name Lauren, who the fuck thinks of Lauren Hill? You think of the Fugis clearly. Right here. The average person does not know who Lauren Michaels is. We're like New Yorkers.

It's like, he is New York. We went from all right to Travis Kelsey to Lauren Hill. What's Travis's brother's name? He's also really nice. And don't put that on New Yorkers. I don't remember Lauren Michael at Greenhouse. Like, oh, we're New Yorkers.

We know that guy. Like, no, if you don't No, SNL, you don't know. Okay, so InWox kid Super, who just did his first solo show at Paris Fashion Week, and we have a lot of mutual friends. So I just, I just said, I was like, dude. I said it was like, man, like, congrats on the show. And he doesn't know I am.

So we, we like hit it off. We'd be couple of like that we were together for like most of the night, like moving around, getting drinks, all that shit. Did you pull up your Instagram to show the mutual followers that you had? No. Okay. Oh, that's my guy. He does follow.

He follows Armani and Joyce, though. So. That was your intro? Yo. No, I didn't. I didn't do it. We talked comedy. He's a comedy guy. All right, whatever. There was one day at the studio. I walked in. I told Armani like, yo, you fuck with Billy Elish and the rest was history.

The rest was history. The rest was history. All right. Let Julia tell a story. Please, this is why I wanted to tell it. No, talk. Go ahead. Watch a night out on 40th street. Well, yeah. With kids, Super, Travis Kelsso, we're just talking, talking shit.

You got one name to drop him. I haven't even started. I haven't even started. I haven't started. one more time. Since you were with him the whole night, did you call him kid? Did you call him soup?

Did you call him super? His name's call him. So you called him by his government. So you just met this man. You're not allowed to call him by his government. I mean, I'm not calling him kid. Like, I'm not, you call the weekend able to when you see him do.

Don't you. Call him a week and able. You just met him though. Like your Abe. Hey, you know, what we had after this. You was like the girls in the early 2000, New York, when they say, oh, I'm going to go see Tristan

and they was told about Mac Wilds. I'm like, just say Mac Wilde, man. Stop saying Tristan. I don't know Tristan. I know Matt. You got Drake and your phone is Aubrey? No, I don't. That's sick. Do you? That's nasty. Six God. Oh, that's better. That's better. I respect that. No, matter of fact, it's just the praying hands.

I was going to say, you got to have the hand emojis. So, yeah, it's everyone's there. Like, all, you know, the please don't destroy writers, like my favorite guys on SNL right now. They're great. All three of them were there.

Chee, Colin Jost, we're at the table next to us. Pete, Ice Vice. Keenan's there. Everyone is there. Keenan is there. No, like, everyone. I'm about to hit, Julie.

I swear to God. I swear to God, I'm about to hit. And this is why we need to give Mall credit because Maul could be this guy right now. He could. He just 100%. Remains quiet all the time. Oh, my God.

So that goes until like four or five in the morning. And then there's an after after party. Of course. And the after after party is just the cast and then the host and the host friends which I was grouped in extended a friend Julian yeah

this is fam so we go to another venue and this one's open bar and open until 8 a.m. Yeah and I just ended up just open bar to 8 a.m. I ended up getting plastered with Che we were just shooting talking shit yo I know he got to my

this guy no no we have the we have the title of the episode plastered with Chez plastered with Chee no no no no no I don't even know where to begin. I would have preferred if you said Mike. There was like a writer on their team in like Ego Wodom, who's also on the cast, raced.

Love the Waffle. And the writer, this is black kid. I think his name's Phil. He lost to her and she was in heels. And Che was the way he told the story and I guess they have it on film. It was like one of the funniest. And he was like dying laughing. They are all like fully functioning alcoholics.

They can throw them back. The show was called Saturday. Dude, Lauren was up to like 4 a.m. chilling. Yeah, they work all. We haven't open bar until 8 a.m. It was crazy. I got home at like 8.30.

Did you show them one of our skits? Like, were you useful? Yeah, well, no. So, uh, column, kid super. Um, there's a, what? Worried. I just feel like you pitched it as like, you was doing us a favor. Like, oh, I helped these guys out on the side.

Oh, D. Sure. On the side. Fuck out of here. I feel like you told Che. You're like, oh, these guys like every now and then I help them out. It's a upcoming New York podcast. You know, it's a passion project of mine.

Yeah. A passion project. First one. ever tell nobody that I'm a passion right. I don't care what you say when you go out. Just don't say you, I'm a passion project. Yeah, no, I did not say that. All right.

So what time you got home, eight? I got home at like 830 and then I went to bed for two hours. Christ. Came here. Did you pull anything? No. And they pulled Che fucking Rudd. Pulled his hamstring.

Pulling. Oh, Taylor. Taylor was there. Taylor. Rooks. Oh, so I was, she was coming at the bathroom and I was going down. This is at the first spot, not the after after. which she was also at.

And I should just like, I just hear if someone scream my name. And if someone screams your name in that room, you're like, who here knows me? I don't know anyone here. And it was Taylor. So that was nice. I hung out with her for a bit.

That's what's up, man. She'd you call her a rook? Did you get chopped with rook? Call her Tatee. What if she, like, had a man and she wasn't supposed to be at that after, after party and you want her telling her business?

She does have a boyfriend. And I'm sure she was. I mean, she's friends with Travis Kelsey. It's like she was there. I'm sure her man was there. Yeah, probably. I don't know her man. Damn, demurres.

Or snitching. Or maybe Taylor was supposed to be home with the dog. I don't know. I'm just trying to stick up her tailor. I do love her dog. Her dog is great. Anyway, it was a really, really, really fun. Maybe she was supposed to be home with the dog.

Saturday. Nah, she was supposed to be out Saturday. Then she's out with Julian. And I'm not, all right, first of all. And this has nothing to do with Taylor. And I'm also not saying those Saturday live guys don't put up numbers. I just feel like in my girl lied to go to the Saturday night, like, after party. I'm not really going to care that much.

Yeah. I feel like it's a pretty safe. environment. It's, it's, well, I don't know. Julian's there. I would not feel like that was safety. I feel like it's a lot of old men. It's definitely safe.

It's not a lot of. We're not talking about Taylor. Right. Outside of Lauren, that's it. Like, it's young people. Because it's like, think about it. If you're the young cast member, you're like in your moment, like, that's there. And there's just like all the other, like, their plus friends and all that shit.

It was just like, there were like groups of just like young random girls. I was like, oh, they must be writers. They're just like, oh, what do you do here? They had nothing to do with anything that was going on. They were just cute. They just got there. I was like, oh, I know what type of time this is. I think that's dope, though.

The fact that they have, like, a cast like that with so many different types of people and then they actually all, like, really hang out. There's something someone did that I'll tell you off camera. Okay, good. That proves my point. Did John Mullaney relapse again? No, I mean, he wasn't there. Because he's in rehab.

That's where the after, after. I'm talking shit, though, but I would love to go to one of those. It was so much fun. I feel like that would be a bucket list thing to go to SNL after party. I feel like that's the one thing I could brag to my mom about. Like she didn't care that I did the state property reunion at Barclays. Yeah, that didn't. She didn't give a single fuck about that.

If I said, hey, I was a plus one out of a plus seven at a Saturday Live after party, she'd think my son made it. You don't have to throw that sauce on that, but, all right. No, how he said it. Julia's like, damn, whoa. Also about myself, because I don't think I'd be, I would be way lower in the list. Yeah, I mean, that's how I felt. But it was like, it was cool.

I don't know where he was at in the list. There's so much crossover between our. world and that industry. And it's like obviously whether or not you really like SNL, you see these people all the time. Whether it be if you're watching the show, but on YouTube or any of their other ventures, like, I'm

genuinely a fan of a lot of these guys as comedians and writers. So it was cool to just be like accepted in that room. Just like shoot the shit. You're on your way, kid. That's right. You're doing big... And I didn't say you were plus seven on the list. I said I would be plus. I was definitely plus seven. My friend who's the plus,

I was his plus. And we can we can segue into Chris Rock from here but I will ask I've been out at the bar with you until pretty late before and I know you get a little sauce in you you start saying some things

how did your anti-Semitism fare in a room of Lauren Michaels in the Saturday Night Live You know what's funny at the very end of the night I hate that you're right at the very very end of the night there was I was sitting next to

someone that is like a showrunner and writes a lot of like he's landed a few big show. It was really nice guy. We connected. And I just started letting like the Lorne, like those kind of jokes fly. And like, Che is like right next. He's like right where you are. And like Collins like over there. And he was just like dude.

Like don't. And I was like, oh, it's like that with you guys. Like NBC is like conglomerate. You can't say shit. So I was like I know you guys want to get your shit. They can't like. The entire Saturday Live audience is upper west side Jews. Yeah. No, he was like, he was like, he was like, he was like laughing, but he was like stop. Yeah. There's a reason I've been here this many.

So he was doing what we do to you. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. It's good to know that you're yourself in every room. Of course, I don't change, yeah. So as long as somebody told Julian, like, yeah, stop. No, I get it, but stop. Michael Chee opened for Chappelle at that midnight pop-up. It's so funny to do a pop-up at Radio City for Chappelle.

And you had to obviously check your phone. And the first thing Michael Che said when he got on stage, I've never been one block away from my job and able to be anti-Semitic. And then just let the clip go. No one could film me. Good for him. In Radio City? Yeah.

I like that. So did Chappelle. It was the day Kanye went nuts. So obviously most people's material was about that, including Shabelle. Good time. But they could say I'm a liar because there's no footage. Well, speaking of Saturday Night Live, Chris Rock had his Netflix live special last night. I'm not even sure what was the name of it today?

Selective Outrage is the name of the. Selective Outrage? Yes. Selective outrage. It's a very good name. Very, very clever. I was, I'm not going to lie when, I follow Netflix on, I think, Twitter or something. And I saw that they announced it early this week that Chris Rock was doing his live.

So I was like, okay, this is going to be our first moment with Chris after the whole Oscars last year when he's by himself on stage doing his own stand-up. So I was excited to see this. And then I watched someone that had like a pre-show before with a few comedians. Arsenio Hall was there. Karim Abdul-Jabbar. Chris Spade. It was a bunch of comedians. There was a few comedians.

J.B. Smooth was there. What was Karim set like? I didn't see his set. I saw him when he came out with the rest of him. Did he talk about the Lakers or what? They spoke about like they spoke about the stuff after the whole. Am I the one that's lost right now? No, I'm just telling the-

Barim-O-Jabbar, the basketball player. Yes. Yes. He's a comedian? He's not a comedian. They just had him be a part of guest to panel. Always here for Kareem to just do whatever he wants to. He's a legend.

Trust me. When Kareem walked out, I was like, oh, shit. Like, it kind of scared me. He's seven feet and he just walking out. Yeah, that's Kareen. Blake Griffin could never. Yeah, so I'm just like, okay, whatever. He's a comedian.

But the special aired and it wasn't what I thought it was going to. Here we go. It wasn't what I thought. And then I'm watching it and I'm trying to like, I'm like, okay, there's a couple of funny moments here. but at one point I was like, how hard did Will Smith hit this nigga? Pretty hard.

Because he might have knocked the funny out of Chris Rock. Ooh. Is that your punchline? That's not a punchline. That's good. It's just, it's just, it wasn't, it wasn't what I expected it to be. Like, I expected it because I like Chris Rock.

He's one of my all-time favorite comedian. He's a goat. I love the fact that he uses like, you know, he uses knowledge and information and current events to kind of tie it in and make it funny. Like, I like his whole angle with comedy. But last night, I don't know if it was, if Chris was nervous. And that's weird to say because he's done plenty of standups around the world.

But he seemed to be a little unsure. He seemed to be a little nervous. He seemed to kind of like, you know, just trying to, he knew why everybody was there. Obviously, everybody came and everybody, however many millions of people are watching on Netflix. this was like his moment to respond to the whole Oscar fiasco. So before we give like a full, full review to that point, do you feel like he had to do a special and maybe wasn't ready to do a special? I know after this lap, he already had a tour that was planned.

But I don't think that necessarily means that he was going to shoot a special after the tour. Usually that means that, but I don't know. I'm not going to say I feel like he was kind of pressured into having to do a special. And I agree with you. He looked very nervous, very unsure of himself. He's one of the more confident comedians when he delivers. I have a theory. I think that this one, I think his next stand-up will be way better than this one,

only because I feel like he wanted to get this out the way. Like, he know that people were like, they wanted to hear the response. They wanted to hear what he had to say about the whole Will Smith thing. And I think that may have, because honestly, in watching it, you're like, okay, when is he going to adjust the Will Smith shit? Which you know it's coming at the end. I don't know if maybe he should have started with that. Versus, like, drag us through that and then get to that. Here's the thing.

This is, I'm going to sound. I like the fact that he poked at it throughout, though. So you're saying the buildup wasn't worth of reward? It wasn't that it just wasn't. I like what he said about the whole Will Smith thing. Okay. I think he was spot on. I think he was correct.

Like, yo, listen, man, you hit me. You know I can't beat you. Things that we said after that should happen. Like, if it was this person on stage, he would have never did that. If it was a bigger guy on stage, Will Smith would have never did that. We'll touch more. But I think that the way he spoke about it was facts. That it wasn't Chris Rock that he hit.

It just happened to be Chris Rock that got hit. That was Will Smith's way of hitting back. He had to sit through a lot of things, hear a lot of things on the internet, social media, you know, his peers, everybody talking about the whole situation. I just don't know if, and I don't even know if it was meant to be funny. I don't know if Chris Rock meant for it to be fun. Do you think because he still, at least what it sounds like, he still has respect for Will Smith and, you know,

looks at him like a peer and respects him as an entertainer? Do you think with that in mind he, like, only would go to a certain limit that he was comfortable going to with this? Do you think, like he didn't feel like he could just unload? Yeah, he probably... What further would he have... I don't know. I don't know.

I actually didn't mind the Will Smith bit. Out of the entire special, that was the bit I kind of minded the least. I thought he handled that one. Okay. I was... And this is going to sound like some hipster shit. I was way more interested in what Chris Rock had to say

as one of my favorite comedians ever about the world right now. And I felt like it was very out of touch, not in like a fucking democratic liberal type of way or like we should police comedians. It was just out of touch and what's funny. Like the jokes were a little too obvious. Like if I went to a comedy club

and saw someone deliver those jokes, I wouldn't be mad that I paid a two drink minimum. Like I would have had a good night. But it was not. The goat. To me, this was his Magna Carta. There was moments. Interesting. I saw moments where the Chris Rock, we know as the goat, was there. And then it just went back to somebody that I feel like is a goat that's just a little out of touch of what's going on right now. And delivery-wise, I felt like it was his certified lover boy. Remember when I said certified lover boy sounded like

someone trying to imitate Drake? Yeah. Yeah. It sounded like someone was doing a Chris Rock impression, even though it was Chris Rock and I think that goes to Mall's point of how uncertain like he seemed insecure up there the whole time it sounded like an impression of Chris Rock like Chris Rock was trying to be Chris Rock so I haven't seen it

I've only seen the Will Smith because I was bumping shoulders because I was bumping shoulders to the real comedians and I didn't like his outfit back to someone being out of touch I was like this looks like Chris was supposed to go

because when you think about Chris Rock and most of his stand-ups he usually has a suit on I think his last one he did on Netflix he kind of, he had a T-shirt and some jeans on it. Yeah, but he still looked like... Oh yeah, that was a weird. That's an interesting...

It was... It was... It was... The old white ensemble was... Very biblical. And it was different whites. Yeah, but then with the black belt... It was different white belt.

You know, the white shirt never matches the white jeans. Is that a shirt... He looked like... He just got... Why is that shirt cuffed that? Yeah, I just didn't... He should have thrown her. He should have...

Chris Rock with the suit. That's his super... That's a super power. And Chris Rock... He dressed like a Jamaican on a first date. That's funny. That's actually very accurate. That's really funny. That's definitely a Jamaican's way that are cookout.

Okay, well, let's get to the topic at hand. Or an American going to Jamaica on vacation and that's what they were out. That's what they wear to dinner at the resort. It's a Jamaican vacation or Jamaican in America. Now, he had funny moments throughout the bit. I did, I saw he was going with the selective outrage. I didn't like the fact that he compared Michael Jackson or Kelly. I thought that was corny.

Because Michael Jackson was never found guilty of. of any crime. Kelly was found guilty of a crime. So I didn't like the fact that he used that comparison, but whatever. But I do understand. But you can see the... No. D'Maris, you've been shaking.

I can feel the couch. I'm not... I appreciate you been quiet and let us get our shit off. But you had a tweet that went viral that this was the worst fucking comedy special. That's not what I said. Chris Rock has never been funny ever in his life. That's not what I said. I am not...

Do y'all remember when this original thing happened and I voiced my opinion on it, y'all fans tour? me to pieces. I am not saying anything else about this subject. I'm about to read that tweet. So, DeMaris goes, I think being slapped and standing there doing nothing, then hiding out of embarrassment for a year, coming back and saying this is actually way more bitch-ass in the activity, but to each their own. Starting a sentence was with three periods and then ending with one period, I think is hilarious. Yeah, that's sick. DeMaris meant that. You're like, what was your thoughts before? She thought it was here? Well, I didn't see this,

I didn't see the special. Like, y'all know I have, I have. I have. So you didn't see it and then you felt very confident to put this up. There's a clip attached to it. That's why I responded to the clip. But it's half the bit. But I was not commenting on the bit. I was not commenting on his special. I'm commenting on exactly what he said in that bit that I watch.

But this isn't the full bit. I am commenting on exactly what he said. I have no idea what he said in the special. I'm just commenting on that piece that he said where he said, you're a bitch-ass nigga for slapping me because you know you're a bitch-ass-nicker for slapping me because you know that you can beat me

that was the only thing I was commenting on that was the only thing I was coming on outside of Chris and Will you think that if somebody you're not about to act like Will Smith is the rock y'all we're not about to do this like you know you slap somebody you know you can be how does Will Smith know that he can beat Chris Rock

have you ever seen Have you ever seen Chris Rock in person and Will Smith in person? Well Julian might have unfortunately I am not as cool as you guys Chris Walker at Ludlow House like a week or two after the slap. He's probably half of Will Smith's size.

He's a small guy compared to Wilson. He's small. Yeah. Like it's significantly you'll see it. I'm small and I can fight. No, but it's not. No, but I'm just saying. Okay.

I'm just saying. Also in that, and I don't want to go back to that entire slap situation, but you don't think he may have a point that you did it at the fucking Oscars. Let's say they're the same size. I'm at the Oscars. You're supposed to swear up with him

on the stage to the Oscars? Or expect that that would happen. Even Chris Rock said, oh, I thought this was like a bit that they didn't tell me about. And where it was going to be. For sure. But you once, but that's all before. After you got slapped, you had plenty of time, plenty of opportunities, plenty of things. If you really, you could have fought back.

You didn't fight back because you ain't built like that. You think he should have fought back on the ad-a-tel. All I'm, no, I don't think, I do not think that. That's not what I'm saying. All I'm saying is if you're going to call somebody a bitch-ass nigger for slapping you, you have a lot of nerves when you didn't slap back. That's all that I am saying. I'm not saying anything else.

I'm just saying, you're calling me a bit. I'm a bitch for slapping you. Okay, you're a bitch for not slapping me back. That's it. Okay, say it wasn't appropriate for him to react. No, no, no, no. But say it's not appropriate for him to react in the moment at the show. He shouldn't have, like, squared up and punched him back.

Julian, if I think he should have ran down on him later? If you get punched right, is it appropriate right now? This is not the loss. We're not talking about, you're doing a completely different scenario. I'm talking about, let's talk about what we're talking about. Is this no jumper? The Oscars. Let's talk about the Oscars on that stage. We're in the room podcasting as very different circumstances.

Shut up, Barry. Chris did what he was supposed to do in that moment. You're saying he should have punched him. No, I did not. Has he swung back yet? You think physically. Has he swung back yet? You're saying he should have ran down on him, pulled up at the Smith home.

And just go, while Jada's getting her back blown out by some August Alcina in the guest room. With some more respect on Augustine. I hate that. I hate that. And you think Chris should have, like, knocked on Will's door and smacked him in the crib? I think what DeMaris is saying is that for, but this is where I think Demarish is wrong at.

This is how Chris Rock fights back. He's immediate. He's an actor. Exactly. So if he gets slapped on an Oscar stage, one of the biggest stages in Hollywood, one of the biggest nights in Hollywood, I think that him fighting Will Smith back in that moment

was definitely not the way to do it. Yeah. Now, if you're saying after, you know, once they're off the stage and then he wants to step to will and understand third, I'm with you on that. But at the same time, you know, it's, you got to remember, they know each other. They have a personal relationship. They have history with each other. They've been on shows and probably did a bunch of movies together, whatever. They know each other personally.

So I think that after Chris Rock, that whole thing happened, so many mutual friends and things, you know, approach him backstage. at the Oscars. He even said at the after party, like, like, yo, like, you know, he was wrong for that. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's fucked up. You had to eat that. You had to take that in front of the world like that.

But you did the right thing because you can't be upstate on, you and Will Smith can't be wrestling and rolling around on the floor at the Oscars. That cannot happen. We look absolutely crazy. Yeah. But I do understand you saying that, yo, yeah, after all that was over, either step to him and fight him as a man or shut up. And leave it alone.

Shut up and leave it alone. But this is Chris Rock's. He's a, this is his, his, his profession. Yeah. He talks shit. He's a comedian. He's supposed to take, he's supposed to take, things that happen in real life, make content out of it.

This was the biggest story of probably the year in Hollywood. And this was his moment to hit back. This was his version of, of hitting back. Okay. I have no problem with that. And I agree that that's what he should have done. No, no, no. But all I said was he was calling Wilson for bitch-ass nigger.

I think that that is more bitch-ass nigger. I didn't say he didn't do what he was supposed to do. but I'm saying if you're going to call somebody a bitch-ass nigger I think that you should also acknowledge the fact that you are even more of a bitch-a-kish-a-kish-h-h-hick. How is he more? He did, rolled out the professional, like carried on with the night professionally,

and then channeled this in the best way he knows, which is to be a comedian and make art out of this moment. How is that bitch-ass of him? Okay. Well, we're all going to agree to disagree. We'll talk about it. Defend it. Chris Rock is not a gangster.

He's not a comedian. You don't have to be a gangster. He's not a tough guy. Ed is not a guy. Ed is not a gangster. gang because if somebody come up to Edin and slap the shit out of him no matter where he's at. You're going to catch them later, right, Edon?

But this is the Oscars. I don't know like that. I don't know like that. I don't. And if I'm at the Oscars getting slapped, I'm not going, I'm thinking it's part of the bit too. I'm a professional at the end of the day. Okay, but once you found out it was a part of the bit backstage.

Sure. I don't know how I'll handle it. I've never really put myself in that scenario either. I'm not Chris Rock, but I'm asking you, though, is this worse than the slap? What do you mean? Is that worse than the slap? Is this worse than that slap? All I'm saying is if you're going to call somebody a bitch-ass nigger

acknowledge the fact that you are in fact even more of a bitch-ass-nick. That's all I'm saying. I am not fighting with y'all. I am not fighting with y'all. August Alcena, I think less than six months ago, maybe less than three months ago, has still been putting out content related to him fucking Will's wife. Unslapped.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's what Chris Rock was saying. Still running around saying whatever the fuck he wants about Will's wife, about how he fucked, making it part of his rollout for a bunch of songs we don't give a fuck about

dog in his wife. And at that point, and whoever said my name, they can come in here too. Roy would have hit back. Well, but like that's, Roy's Irish. I can't say that I would have not.

It's in the moment. You're talking about that. I would have been so shocked that that just happened. I mean, I mean, Wilson's going to be the more shocking part. But like to have Will Smith,

Let's say I'm a peer of Will Smith and I am hosting the Oscars and he walks up and smacks the shit out of me. I'm not going to say my reaction when I'm in the middle of hosting the Oscars would be to me for getting my stance and just hit Willback. I don't know if I would do that.

I don't know. Because also you got to think about it. Like this, his reaction, his career is on the line. What the fuck was that? His reputation in Hollywood is equally on the line. Even though he didn't do anything wrong

in that moment, how he reacts is going to deem how, like, Hollywood execs think about him, movie execs think about him. Like, even if he is the victim in that case, his reaction is going to mean a lot. And he had to swallow it and be like, I'm going to rock this out. And not only that, I mean, he ended it with, you know, my mother and father raised me not to fight in front of white people. That was the way he ended it.

And I mean, I think that that was classy. That took a lot. And you had that argument already, though. That's, it took a lot. It took a lot for Will Smith. I mean, Chris Rock to stand in and take that hit and not react. That takes a different type of patience, a different type of self-control. And you got to respect that.

I mean, to a degree you have to respect somebody in that moment, being able to remain professional, recognize where they are, how many cameras are on them, how many people are watching, and be able to take something that could have easily, I mean, that turned the whole energy to show around. But if they were to get into a fight on that stage and start thumping up there, that would have completely, completely changed the entire. Of course. And that would have also destroyed.

I am never saying that he should have hit him. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying he should have hit him back or anything like that. I completely agree that that was probably a freezing moment. I don't agree with that hole. We shouldn't fight in front of white people. I hate stuff like that. But what I will say is if you're going to, you got on your special, it would have been classier.

You make one low joke about it. Do a bomb ass special. Make one low joke about it that really hits and leave. That solidifies you as a goat going up there saying, well, you're a bitch. Your wife's a bitch. That's not a goat. Is Dave Chappelle a goat? Yes.

Dave Chappelle did his, he had four specials with Netflix in his deal. The first one he started talking about transgender people. He got so much backlash. He didn't shut the fuck up about it for four specials. Yep. I think they're both goats. I'm not on the side of that. No, I think they're both goats.

But Chappelle did four specials about transgender people. I think they're all genius. But he replied to fucking everything. You don't think Chris Rock. You'd think if Dave Chappelle was smacked by, Will Smith, he would be like, yo, that happened. Peace. Were Dave Chappelle specials good and funny?

Yes. Yes. Now, I think that's my, but that's my point. But that's a separate point. That's a separate point, which I want to get into. I don't. I think this was a very unpolished, out of touch, easy fucking Chris Rock special. I think in his dysography, I know you don't call that for specials, this is very low on it.

And I think it's very out of touch, very much, like, easy Twitter jokes that, like, we've Ben heard that the Kardashians fuck black people. Like, I didn't need Chris Rock. Wait, they do. Yeah. I didn't need Chris Rock to tell me that. Damn. That's correct. I think there was sparks of it when he was talking about his kids and... That takes you out of the school. Come on. Well, kind of. Just the one that's

with Travis Barker. Courtney would fuck him. Yeah, for sure. Courtney's bad. I bet you think that. You don't think Courtney? She's the only one that didn't get ass surgery. Allegedly. Because she's the only 98 pound one of them. Wow.

Kindle. How did Courtney just catch shots? Yeah, I don't know. That what the fuck just helps? I love Courtney. He's 98 pounds. You thought telling a woman she's 98 pounds is a compliment. A white woman, yes.

And that family of getting awful surgery? I think she's great. We know what Courtney looks like. He doesn't have a lot of. See, this is getting into shitty jokes too. Yeah. Who am I to talk about Chris Rock when I just made an awful Kardashian joke? I felt he was rushed.

Chris Rock was rushed into this special. I think he had to get this material ready within eight months. And it just, it didn't hit the mark. I think that he just knew that everybody, what everybody was waiting for. Of course. He knew what everybody was waiting to hear. He wanted to, obviously, you know,

he, again, throughout the whole thing, he poked jokes at not wanting to have beef for more rappers. And, you know, he's making that whole joke. So he knows what people wanted to hear and why they were there and why people were on Netflix watching. Y'all were waiting to hear this.

And wait, here I am agreeing with, but she said she didn't even see the special. Oh, yeah. I'm literally, that's why I said I don't, I'm not commenting on the special. My tweet was literally off of that one clip of him saying you're a bitch, your wife's a bitch.

Literally, that's what the clip said. That also wasn't the full joke. That's why I'm saying the tweet. I understand you respond to that video. Wait, wait, wait. It's like five minutes before that. I don't remember him saying calling Jada a bitch. No, he called Will a bitch.

He called Will a bitch. No, I don't think Chris Rock would call you. You didn't call Jada a bitch. He wouldn't call it. He wouldn't call her bitch. He wouldn't call her bitch. He wouldn't do that. Well, actually, I don't know.

He might have, but I don't really, I don't want to quote myself. I don't remember hearing that, but I highly doubt that Chris Rock would do that. But we have to stop. You weren't waiting for a Chris Rock special? No. Tamborine wasn't my favorite. Don't get me wrong,

but I don't think it's a bad special. But it was definitely watching a peak comedian start to, you know. I don't mean, I'm not talking about waiting for his special. I'm saying, were you waiting for Chris Rock to respond? I'm waiting for Chris Rock. Were you waiting for that? Yeah, I was.

Absolutely. I wanted to hear what you had to say. I was ready for this special. Yes, but I was more waiting for what a perfect excuse that I could finally hear from Chris Rock about the world. Because he's one of those comedians. to me. And I don't like, they do it with Tupac recently. We took that off the list we had. We have to stop treating goats like shit when everything they do isn't flawless. And I've been

guilty of it too. I'm 100% guilty of that shit. I agree with that. Was this Chris Rock's best? God no. Could you kill it? Yes, have an opinion. But to sit there and say one of the greatest comedians of all time, nobody gave a fuck. We're not interested to hear from Chris Rock. The same way y'all say Tupac isn't the best rapper, all that other shit. These are goats. Have your opinion. But don't say that about a goat, somebody that's solidified in the shit. I ain't going to lie, though. He had one he had a 40 part in there when he was talking about abortion. I was laughing at that.

That was just funny to me. But to me that was a regular job when you said, when I walked into abortion shit, just give me the regular. No, my man used to say he had an no, no, he went first, no, he said, he said a woman should be able to get an abortion up until the baby is four years old. I thought that was hilarious. I was crazy. I was crying. I shouldn't have been laughing as hard

as I was, that was hilarious. The shit with his daughter was great. I think there was a lot of amazing bits in it that I again Magna Carta to me very low on my my J discography but he had moments during Manning Card I was like still to go but this ain't his best

this is his magna cardity like you're saying at the first time in his career unlike all the other specials he's had to previously put out he was on the clock for this one so whatever was on his plate he had to clear he had to do this like he was this was time sensitive he got the bag from Netflix he agreed to it as he should but for the first time in his life

probably he's writing against a clock this tight and to write an hour in that time. Hard. And we had the episode with Mark Norman and Mark said he was at the cellar a lot working this material. Like he was working this up until the day like this. And I was pushing this heavy. And live by the way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no one's ever told about that. I was going to say, I don't know why he did this live. I agree with you. I thought. Why not? I don't think he should. Louis did the same thing. Why not? Do it. He's a go. Now, I will say this. I think the one thing, I think the one thing that Chris Rock had He fucked up the joke at the end. Against him in this special. was the fact that this may have been the first time in his career where everybody that was watching and in the audience was like, you know why we're here to hear.

So as a comedian, as a writer, when you're going into a room and it's like you know what they want to hear, it's a little different because usually as a writer, you just, whatever you're feeling, you're flowing. It's just like, this is what I'm giving. They don't know what to expect. The audience, we didn't know what to expect before from Chris Rock when he gave us a special. This one, it was like, all right, we got to hear him talk about this Oscar shit because now it's a year coming up on the Oscars and now. So it's like the timing is like, this is it. This is the response. This is his hitback.

So I think all of that kind of played a part in it and it just wasn't, it didn't connect and land the way that I thought and expected it to. But it had its funny moments. Chris Rock is still a goat. I don't think that this changes anything in his legacy at all. I do think the next special after this will be one of the reasons why we say, This is why he's a goat. I want to clear up the fact he did not call Jada a bitch. He did not do that one.

He did call a predator, which I kind of agree with. Let's take a-all right. Hold on one second. Wait, so before we do that, sit back real quick. Let's just transition to the fact that you guys are going to go to do Smino. He's right here. Oh, perfect. And I think that was more than enough time.

That was perfect. All right, cool. All right, so all for that, we have a guest with us today, a artist that I think we all fuck with us in town. and you wanted to stop by and kick it with us real quick. So we're going to make room for that, make space for that. And I guess, DeMaris, if you got to take your silver surfer boots and save the world at the garden, at the Mecca tonight. Danny Phantom.

But I do want, and I mean, we're giving away now, but we have Smino on the pod today. I want his reaction to, I know he saw some of the Chris Rock clips. I know he had a show last night. But I want his opinion on this, too. I don't want to close this topic quite yet. Oh, we'll get his opinion. And I want to get his top five St. Lunatics. More importantly

Smino coming up next guy All right we won't try to make this formal It cut right away We're still about Chris Rock We have our guy Smino in the building now We can do the Fresh off stage kicking ass last night

I'm mad out of the show With you and Jiddy Jit man I've seen the clips online Terminal 5 that shit was packed Everybody jumping up and down I was in the crib Just watching Chris Rock I'm like what the fuck am I doing

I said I still went to this fucking show man It wasn't even just live. I could have watched this Chris Rock shit later. Yeah. But we were talking about the whole Chris Rock special. Obviously coming up on the one year since the whole Oscar thing between Chris Rock and Will Smith, we all kind of were waiting for

Chris Rock's response. This was his first official response and his retaliation, if you will, on the whole event that happened last year. Yeah. How do you feel about his response, the special

Do you have Chris Rock as a goat in the comedy world? Does this change anything for you as far as Chris Rock's legacy? Bro. I mean, I ain't really, all I seen was a clip of him talking about, you know what I'm saying the little entanglement shit. That's like what I saw. But I don't know. That shit wasn't, I don't know.

I thought it wasn't cool. I was like, that shit weird. It's too late. Like, you should have been saying something to me. Oh, so you feel like should have been responded. Yeah, no, it's just like, I don't know. It's weird. It's like a capitalized.

like get some money thing or something. But I don't feel like a real pure response. I mean, but even like... Hey shit, I don't know. He is still one of the best stand-up comedians. So it takes some time, like, it's not like he can reply with like a flex freestyle. Like, it does take some time for him to just...

I don't know, Drake drop back to back. And it took me too while. We also forget that it took Nause fucking eight months for ETHER to come out. Takeover was there chilling for a minute. I really. So I almost feel like... He was entitled to that response. I just thought the rest of the special was kind of weak compared.

I wasn't really even that mad at his response as far as the will shit. I just think he needs to come with the rest of the album, not just the single, which was the response to Will. I'm going to be real. I was mad because I was like, all right, if I'm going to miss this fucking Smino and Jed Show, but this shit, this shit better be like legendary. And it wasn't it like a live stream? Yeah, it came on. It was live on Netflix. So it's gone now?

It's still up there. No, I'm sure Netflix will have it on the platform. I ain't even peeped it yet. I ain't even peeped it, but yeah. I never really watched Chris Rock stand-ups like that. Okay, so you know. Like, he ain't my stand-up guy. Like, you feel like me.

I'm a Bernie Mac, King of Comedy-A-S-Niggin' shit. Like, I like real niggas and shit. Okay. Because you're from St. Louis. That's the whole, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, gee.

So y'all, you and Jid on tour right now? Yeah. How's the road treat, y'all? Amazing bro shit, man. Incredible. Everything sold out 100% sold out. O tour. Get 100,000 tickets in America, so shit.

Pretty good. I feel that. A lot of music came. I feel like we haven't had a good Friday in a while. We're like not just one album came out a bunch of shit. The Creed shit came out. And I did want to ask you from a inside perspective what those writing camps are like. Because Dreamville put together that whole Creed shit.

And you know they put, you know, they do for a whole month all the writing camps. And I don't think fans realize, one, how much music comes out of those writing camps that never ends up on the album. Yeah, for sure. What are those writing camps really like? Shit, man. I didn't get to make it to the Creed thing. I remember they was doing it in LA. I didn't get to make it out.

But when we did the revenge shit, it's just like actually some shit I ain't ever seen before. Because it was writer camps that I went to after that. But the way Dreamville do this shit is real different. It's like the most, it's a room full of the most different people you can imagine. Like, everybody, like, it's a bunch of niggas that don't do. do the same shit. Yeah. And shit, you just getting in where you fit in.

Nigger like me, I like to go sit in one room the whole time and just marionate and do my thing. But talking about producers, just bouncing around, dropping beats, Chris Bosch and that motherfucker. Like, nah, don't cap. Yonnis, yeah, like, real talk. Yeah. That's crazy. And Chris Bosch and Yonish just walked by.

You like, what the fuck it's going on there? And then, Nick Colby fucking with the hoopas and shit. Yeah, it'd be just random-ass people in there too at the same time. You know. I went to maybe the first four. days of the creed writing camp and it's it's funny watching like a movie studio try to set the vibe for a writing camp for actual artists yeah they gave a sheet with like a bunch of buzzwords like when you were writing they're like think revenge think about fighting think about every artist walked

in there looked at that shit and threw that shit across the like please get this fucking universal shit away from me yeah you can't read them prompts too like yeah I want a song that sound like a purple radio blowing up in a Lamborghini or some shit, like, literally in the description in the email. You just like, how does that affect your, do you feel like it affects your writing in any way when you're in a camp environment? Like, not. It just made me like, I mean, obviously like, you know, swore, swore, sharping my sword and that bitch, but it's like, it just made me like a lot more intentional with what

I'm doing. Like, I'm really just listening to what's going on because I'm like a comedian. I can do a lot of different styles. I do a lot of different shit. Yeah. So I just be listening to what's going on and seeing where I'm needed and how I could be more useful

than just trying to outwrap everybody. Right. Yeah. I remember talking to, I hate, I'm acting like my guy Julian dropping names. I was talking to a party next door a few years ago and he was telling me how his first time he went to a writing camp situation,

he was excited when he found out who else was going to be there and it was some of his favorite writers and artists. But he said for him, it was fucked up because when he finally met, and I won't see the guy's name, that he was, when he met the artist and the writer that he was a big fan of, he said it changed that moment because he kind of like played party to the left.

Like didn't really embrace him, didn't really show no love. Like, is that something you ran into as an artist or a writer? Like you see these guys that you may have grew up, like, listening to and like fans of. And then you finally in the same room with them and you're like, oh, he's an asshole. I don't fuck with this dude. Oh, I'm gonna come clean. Nah, that ain't really happen to me, bro. I don't really like, I'm not.

I ain't never really been like a fanatic-ass fan. You feel me? Like I can like put a human to a human. I just, you know, I ain't gonna treat no nigga like he guy, you know what I'm saying, ever. But most of the people I didn't met though, luckily been, they fuck with me now. So it'd be cool. You know what I'm saying?

I ain't never really met nobody. And it was just like, and I was like, oh, yes I have. Yes, I have. Call them out. One person, bro. The nigga Cameron. I made this nigga Camp. First of all, that's the one.

I was not expecting you to say Cam's, dude. But it wasn't like that. And Kim is such a nice guy. No, he probably is. I met this nigga camera around. I was at Complexcom, bro. I never forget he was doing a four local thing. I walked up.

I'm like, killer, what's good? Nica, looked at me. And took a picture with this girl. I'm like, damn, all right. I'm like, I got a booth down there, bro. I'm doing my shit. It's all love. I get it.

But I was just like, that's probably like the only time. But that wasn't even that environment. Yeah, yeah. I can't say that. I can't say that. Yeah. I mean, but even with love for rent, because we know you could rap,

But that didn't seem like the focus with the most recent album, which, I mean, we both said, I thought was my favorite album in 2022. Yeah, is that really in your mind, outside of just writing camps that, like, you've got to prove you a rapper anymore? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Because I love the rap shit. I love the rap combo, and I love rap.

So it's just like, man, bro, I feel like niggas just don't know my size of me. I got, like, different sides of me. And I'm trying to introduce that to the world slowly. but yeah I ran into that problem today I was telling somebody I was like yeah I'm we shooting with Smino today and she was like who's that I'm and I first I was like you don't know who Smino is I was like he's dope as fuck I was like so I sent to the album she was like he he's a rapper and I didn't even know how to answer that because I was like he raps but I'm not going I wouldn't call him a rapper he's more just an artist as far as I'm concerned how would you categorize

your artistry is it rap is it neo soul is it R&B is it funk is it yes all of that It's like, man, bro, like, it started with rap. Like, I started doing, before I can figure out how to hold a note, I was rapping. Like, for the elbow, bro, and just rapping this shit, always rhyming. But really, like, I don't take offense to a nigga, but I hear a rapper because it's like, that's like the highest form of the art. Yeah. Rappers write the best songs in the world, I think.

You know what I mean? That's dope. Real shit. Rappers write the best songs in the world, gang. I agree. They're by far the best. Why do artists get so offended when they get called a rapper? It's funny you say that because most artists will say that.

Don't call me a rapper. I can see that, bro. I could dig that, bro. But as a nigga, they actually do a lot of shit. It's like, yeah, I am. Like, I'm also a drummer. I'm also a nigga. You know what I'm also a nigga?

So it's like, yeah, for real. So it's just. Yeah. And you think that's probably a Midwest thing specifically with your city? Because I feel like New Yorkers, like if you coming up in New York, that's probably been our problem. You have to be proven as a rapper. Even when we have success, like a boogie, I love to death.

But his biggest fault from New Yorkers is he's not a rapper. He's not a rapper, that type of shit. Do you feel like you just didn't have that pressure when getting into this? Because maybe your city wasn't doing that? Man, I'm from St. Louis. Everybody in St. Louis in St. Louis. Like, niggas is rappers. Oh, I mean.

Chicago. Niggas is rappers in Chicago. You feel what I'm saying? So I'm like, I don't know. I think the actual thing was where we're from me is to just be different. Like, we like the shit that's different. You kind of like from the Midwest. If you copying another nigga shit, that's lame.

We don't really wave ride like that. Like, we'd be trying to do our own shit, you feel me? Mm-hmm. And that's, you know, I think that's how I came with. I read that your grandfather played bass for Muddy Waters? Yeah, he played for a lot of people. That's legendary. Oh, geez.

Chuck Berry. All of them, O'Gs. Is that how you got introduced to, like, music? You just, like, passed down through the lineage. Yeah, through the family church, you know. All little ghetto kids go to church. Ain't got no choice. Yeah, I like going to church.

It was cool. I was in the drum. That's weird. Irish Catholic Church is, as far as melodies, is way different. Irish Catholic. It's a big difference. They be on them, they're on them got down. Steve Berkles, the bagpipes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's him. You all over some of the bagpipes. It's funny. Speaking of St. Louis, though, I feel like even Nelly specifically, and I don't know if it's just the accent that you guys have, we bring up, like, J-Rul obviously introduced a lot of the melodic flow into rap. Yeah, so. Nelly was on that, though.

Even though Nelly was really rapping, I just feel like y'all accent just has melody to it to begin with. Yeah, that niggin'nelly is like the first, like, I feel like Nellie was like the first Drake, bro. Mm. Yeah. Like, Nelly, like, was back and sing songs and they was like huge. He went diamond and shit, biggest artists in the world. All the girls loved him, like, but he still was, you know what I'm saying, in the streets fucking with the street shit too. I feel like Nelly, like.

It's really like the first duality-ass artist that we really seen go that big, bro. Being from St. Louis, because I know when we got introduced to Nelly from New York, and I remember seeing videos on BET and all that shit, and I was like, yo, who the fuck is this dude? Like, is he looked like he got his city. Like, they behind him.

So being in St. Louis at the time, like, what was that like seeing Nelly from the city just rise to the top of the industry? You got to understand something, nigga. When Nellie was going crazy, motherfuckold fucking Rams was winning the Super Bowl, bro. Yeah.

That shit was the hardest shit ever, bro. Like, we had Marshall Fogg, Curwana, all those Ricky Pro, all them niggas, Toriho, all them niggas, all them niggas, like, and then Nelly and the St. lunatic is looking like a basketball team that we never had. So it's just like, you feel me? It was crazy, bro. It was hard. Like, that's a vivid memory I'm having.

Like, I can think about it all the time. Niggas wearing double motherfucking duress. I just had a double duress on in Miami the other day. Shit, shit. Did I see a clip of you? Did you have on two pair of jeans? Then with some Virgil's, and it was one per, and then they could put a per on top of Okay.

But it's funny because I did that, and then some people started putting up to the meet and greet with two pair of pants jeans on. I was like, damn, that nigga, hi. I ain't. No, that's why I was asked because I said, yo, I haven't seen that. Like, if Smino bringing that back, he's different with this fashion shit. I was crisscrossing. Yeah, but I thought it was too.

But now you're saying it was Virgins, so it just made it look like it. Yeah, it was double jeans. I ain't going to lie. I ain't going to put on two pear of jeans. I ain't can play a show. I would hope not. Because I'm about saying, listen, I dig the originality.

I love it. But that, yeah, that's a little, we can leave that back in the early 2000s. We can leave that alone. Put our pants on backwards. We can't do that? Nah, we ain't going to do that. We ain't going to take it.

Zipping up your ass and shit. All right, but how could you draw the line? And granted, I'm in some regularized pants of a T-shirt. I'll never be the fashion guy, nor am I trying to be. But you can't put that. These fashion trends is fucking nuts right now.

No, but too. So for me to wear my pants backwards right now, I don't think I'm nuts. I'm paired to what else is going on right now. Somebody going to jack it. Somebody going to be like, yo, he's bringing that back. Somebody going to say it, but more people are going to be like he's bugging the fuck out. I just seen these cartoon boots.

Come on. I can't wear my pants backwards and this is what's popping right now. Them fucking Mario boots. Samina, how you feel about that? You got those off of the show yet? The red boots? Yeah. I ain't do the boots.

Are you doing those? Nah, I ain't do the boots. Nah. Hey, bro. Fly motherfucker probably can get them off. Now, I said, we spoke about these when this whole shit went viral. Now, I did say if Supreme made these, and that said Supreme on it. But they're still working.

Even like, yeah, but if they said Supreme though, because I still haven't seen them in person. I haven't seen them in person. They don't be seeing niggas just bopped around with them. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But if it says Supreme on it, I think I would see it. Probably. I think I would see it. Supreme fans, dog.

It's crazy that Supreme shit. You've done the Fashion Week shit before I assume. Mm-hmm. Has that gotten diluted? Again, I'm asking outside looking at. Like, Art Basel used to be about art. I don't think it's about art anymore. It's just about a weekend that hoes and events happen at, which is fine.

You said, hos and events? Yeah, hos and events. That's what, there's no, like, no one cares about the painting that's happening at Art Basel. Yeah. I feel like at this point, fashion week is, one, can you afford to go to Paris for it? Two, can you get an Airbnb in time? Three, can you wear baggy enough pants? And that's just the weekend.

Like, this shit broken anymore? as far as like new fashion trends from Fashion Week? Don't come clean, bro. I ain't a fashion week connoisseur. I've been to like two ever. And it really don't be, it just be like a lot of parties. The fashion shows would be cool. I just be hot.

It'd be cool, though. I ain't really like my, you know what I think. I love fashion, but I'm not like a fashion. Yeah. If they make my music. How you feel about Farrell taking over men's line at Louis? That's hard. Yeah.

That's so hard. It's inspiring. I felt like that was like overdue. That shit made my morning when I woke up and seen it, I'm like, hell, yeah. Yeah, you know for real about he about to produce some shit. I just can't wait about this shit. Why the title? Love for rent.

Yeah, where did that come from? Because I know that's not just a, it sounded dope. Because I know there's a very long story behind. Love for rent, because it ain't for sale. Literally was just not on that, like, I was just in a place, you know. I just was, uh, I've been a lot of long-term relationships and shit, you know, growing up. So I kind of was just like, fuck this shit. I was just tired of being in a long-ass relationship.

Just you all my work. So I just was like, fuck that shit, love for rent. Yeah. I just better than love itself. I mean, sound cool. Low key, I actually was having a funny combo with that nigga Kenny Beach. Shout to Kenny.

And he was just talking about having like goddamn just shit, a closet full of shit you would get a woman you love, you feel me. And not knowing who the woman you love is yet and just having that shit, you know, for rent. You know what I'm saying? And that's kind of like the beginning of that concept spirited. And I was like, damn, that's kind of crazy. It's like renting out love. Well, I mean, renting out of love is crazy.

For lack of a better punchline, how do you get to the mortgage? Like, how do you get out of rent? Like, how you get out of that mentality? Man, like, I ain't like, don't get me wrong. I ain't scared to love nobody. I love myself. So I ain't scared to love nobody. Ain't no like thing where I'm just like hiring from love for none of that shit.

Like I follow love tomorrow. I follow love every day goddamn bit. I'm just like shit. Same. I do. Real shit. I love life, you know what I'm saying? I ain't saying like with women.

I just love shit. I just love for a lot. You know what I'm saying? Right. But like, um, yeah, bro. It ain't like I'm stuck in that mindset. I just be seeing what it is and knowing what I got time for at the moment. Mm-hmm.

And that, yeah, I don't got it. But you only what, 31, 32? 31. How many long-term relationships you've been in at 32? Three. Like high school and then out, like college. Yeah, and then 20s. All right, respect.

No, no, no, no. Don't know if I'm below on the 20. You said 20, yeah. Like 20. There's some overlap. I understand. We've been there. There's some overlap sometimes.

We've been there. Overlap. I see what y'all try to do. No, no. No, no. No, that shit, they're cool. They be a, for sure. How many of those you count, though?

Well, relationships? For real, though. Like, high school. If you know about my girl, I'm in a relationship. Like, if people know about my girl in a relationship, if not, then it's like, you feel me. Like, my niggas know, they, you know, you don't be around, you know what? But I feel like I've been in long-term relationships when I was super young that I don't count

now because I didn't even know myself at the time. Like, that shit doesn't count to me. I feel like that shit took up time in my life so it's always going to count. Like, I'm not going to forget. Like, no matter what, if you're around somebody, they're shaping you somehow. Like somebody in some way, they just, you feel me, like water on a rock, slowly shaping your shit. I mean. So let's get into this top rappers list.

He was looking at the clip with Lil Wayne and the Zanlo interview and they named the seven rappers. Well, he was the seventh on the list, so they named the six before him. Now, from somebody from St. Louis in the Midwest, how big of an influence did Little Wayne have on you as an artist? Shit, I say probably the biggest. I'm real, like, if you know my music, I'm real big on wordplay. And, like, I just be amazed at the way that this nigga can put words together and shit that don't really, like, go together sometimes. Like, the effort for phenomenal and shit.

Yeah, yeah. So, I don't know. I think that was, like, a big, like, I used to love the way he did wordplay and shit. And just the way he just, you know what I'm saying, ripped and swag. Like I just love Wayne, you know. I always been to Wayne Stewart and I ain't gonna lie. I think your generation really gives a fuck about the list anymore. Because where are this rappers list?

Yeah. It don't matter like, nah, it's too many rappers. But it's like, I don't even think it's gonna be like, I can't imagine it being like dead like that, but yeah, I'm sure it's gonna be niggas that's like way bigger than other niggas. But everybody got a motherfucking star in that right, you were throwing that right. And what's crazy to me is when you think about how many rappers, when you have, you have, had, to be number seven is not a knock. It's like, yo, you know how many rappers we've had in the coach? It is a knock to Wayne, bro.

Only because of who's before him. Only because he called itself the best rapper alive. So if you tell Wayne, you're number seven, he's like, why wouldn't he be mad at that? He's supposed to be mad. He said literally, I'm the best rapper alive. He got a whole song. I listen to it in the green room before I go out of the time. You know what I'm saying?

A lot of times people say that. Call the two? Yeah. That's your favorite one? Album, yeah, favorite Wayne album. But the motherfucking Wayne mixtapes in St. Louis, bro. Like, back in the day, I remember going like the Hayswood Day. Niggie bumping, drought, too.

I mean, dedication to my bad all the way down in my sister car. You feel me? And like, my sister rapping Wayne. My sister put me on Wayne. My big sister, Toyin, she the one to really put me on Lou Wayne. I mean, he's probably with these lists, which I think we only have five more years left of anyone giving a fuck about lists. Because I think that was more of the generation we came up in with the competitive

shit. We would debate all that type of shit. I think these young kids do not care, which I think is a good thing because it's so hard to compare. It was easier before to be like Nas versus J. Every artist is so drastically different now. How do you even put a list together? Why I would say Wayne deserves maybe to be higher than, you know, the names that were not allowed to say he's higher than, which I will say big M and Tupac, Nas and Kendrick, influence. I've never seen a single artist in the rap world influence an entire generation down to the T the way Lil Wayne has. On my mom.

So he made out of little black kids, little rock stars and shit. It was tight. And I mean, of course Drake is there. But even the melodic shit, like, Wayne was singing about loving hoes when he was still rapping better than anyone else. Yeah. Like prostitute flying shit. Like, he was really loving these hoes on a guitar.

I'm rapping better than everyone on earth. Like, we always told my man. He loved Superhead after everyone hit. I was like, this guy ill. I love Wayne more so for what he did for others. Like I talk about Wayne, the artist, we already know, is one of the greats. But for him to be as big as he was and step out of the way and allow Drake and Nikki to become who they are, artists don't do that.

Usually like if they sign an artist and the artist is dope, they end their session, they hear a song. They're like, yo, let me get that. I'm going to jump on that. Wayne completely got out of the way and allowed Drake and Nikki to become the superstars that they are. Like, that doesn't happen a lot in our culture. Like, especially if you're assigned to a superstar, he's going to do everything he can to kind of maintain his trajectory and his position in the ecosystem. But Wayne disappeared. And it was any time you saw Wayne, it was because he was, yo, here, this is Drake.

This is Nikki. Let them go do that. He went and started skateboarding and doing all kind of just recreational shit with his life. So to me, that makes him a go. Because it's like, bro, other artists, we could look at the other artists that's ahead of him. What artist did they usher in that became as big as a Drake and a Nicky? If you look at that. 50, M&M 50, obviously.

Not that that, I think it was rolling loud. Not rolling loud. Rolling Stone or where the fuck it was. I think Drake, Nikki, and Wayne were all in the top 12. And that's from one label. That's nuts. It's crazy. Do you think you have an ego as an artist?

Of course. What's the difference between the artist's ego and the person ego? Because Wayne took his artist ego out that shit, and I think that's why Drake and Nikki are so successful. What's the difference between artist ego and a just personal. I mean, I wouldn't have the same kind of ego that I would with a person that, like, it'd be weird to treat a person that's not like an artist with an artist type of ego mindset.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't even do this shit. So there's no, what the fuck, you feel me? Like, nigga I'll rap better than you, like, fuck. Right. I don't even rap. Yeah, so. Right.

But I want some personal shit. I'm just a man, so every man got the ego, you feel me? It's like just deciphering and shit. Like, nigga right now, we're on some. We could talk behind the scenes. We'd be knowing about shit that be going on and shit. That's different. Like, we all got our own work space ego.

Let's talk about your fashion. Because you seem to be somebody that just has, you don't look like too many of these other dudes out here. Like, Yusmino has his own, his own look. Yeah. Who was some of the people that you look to for your fashion, like growing up? Was it like certain artists or was it just like, yo, I like these pieces. I want to kind of mix and match this. I mean

Did you always have your own style or is that something you grew into? I always have my own style I think like when I was able to buy more shit I got more, you know into the shit at one point of year

I'd be looking I used to tab shit so much like you get me on a computer that I wanted and I never could afford that shit so when I could it was like I noticed how much my interests had grew when I started shopping more

and I was just like damn gang I actually love this shit but yeah I think I think probably like, obviously, yay. I was a little high yay. I like the fact that you can like tell, like, wherever he was in by how he looked at the moment.

Yeah. That's real clever to me. Fucking, um, Wayne, for real, yay, all them niggas. It's just a bunch of rap niggas usually for me, you know, like AI. I used to little high AI swag. Nelly like a motherfucker. Nelly for show, for show, for show. I still be having my Nelly days where I'm like.

I'm gonna go all these hair bands in his jersey on backwards right quick. Yeah. You feel like Kanye stole the mask thing from that dude from St. Lunatics? From Slowdown. I don't know his name. Who was the guy with a mask always in St. Louisville? Slow down.

I mean, I heard he had warrants. That's why he had a mask on. I don't know about that, sir. Was that real? I feel like that might have been like the market. I was fucking 14. I don't remember. Yeah.

But I just remember there was the one guy with that. Like they don't know that's him. I don't know. He had half the mask on. He was chilling. Y'all going to just pull him up with this damn man. Listen, no, people say what they went. That was an error, though.

Yeah, yeah, that's hard. Like that whole look. Cool them up, fucking. Wow. We don't give Murphy Lee enough credit neither. Remember vocab? Yeah, Murphy Lee, a raw-ass person and a raw-ass rapper, no-care. Hell, yeah.

No, come. Murphy Lee is very, very underrated. Hell, yeah. I'm a macu-law me, pay. Y'all don't even know about that. He might have the best, and he might have the best verse on Shake Your Tail Feather. He do. anytime he was on the song he had the best verse bro

he always got the shit I'm starving like Marvin girl you know what I'm saying he always gonna give you this shit the batter up shit on country grammar I think he had the best verse welcome to Atlanta yeah he had the best verse oh welcome to Atlanta I can't let y'all get that off don't do that this is gonna be disrespectful in New York City bleak versus Murphy Lee I want to I want a versus Memphis Lee that's such a random verse

Why is it of random verses? You have two of the biggest icons from that era and they're men's that had hit records that wrapped with them. Yeah. Bleak and Murphy, I'm not saying it in a disrespectful level at all. I'm saying,

but Bleak and Murphy Lee would be... Your brain to just land on that. I'm like, that's a particular ass category, guy. Yeah, like, as a title that's long as it. I mean... Like, how your brain landed on Bleak versus... Why would it? We talk about verses all the time.

True, but Bleak and Murphy Lee is just some random shit. I think that's a great undercard. That's not like a passion project for you. It was... Come on. It was you and your... family saying it's pimp juice us and m that was selling records. No, it was, why would I not put bleak in Murphy Lee?

Nellie sold a lot of fucking records. Don't get it fucked up. Nellie was definitely a superstar. What's with St. Louis specifically and battle rap and why they do dominate, in my opinion? Because niggas hard. But is that a thing like, is that a thing for real, though, in in St. Louis outside of, again, my New York bias as far as battling goes.

And Detroit has it there as well. Jersey, definitely has it too. But St. Louis, for some reason, out of nowhere to us, we was outside looking and was like, why St. Louis have some of the best battle rappers that we've ever seen in our lives? Is that a thing growing up in St. Louis that you have to battle?

Nah, I mean, I used to do the shit. I used to love to do the shit. I didn't even battle a nigga that can't rap back in the day when I was like in sixth grade and shit. Wait, battle somebody that can't ride. I used to just... Just pulled up on somebody that wasn't rapping. Nah, because I'd be just rapping

and the niggies would be around me and I just thought to, like, going on a nigga like. Like minding his business? Yeah. I mean, yeah. Target practice. Fucky, come here, crash dummy.

Yeah, but then I never was no battle rapper, but I think niggas just light rapping, bro. Like, niggas just, I grew up around, niggas, that niggas, hell of niggas rap, bro. Yeah. You can get a St. Louis'nick to decipher quick. But it's funny, because that nigga hit man holler, bro. I went to the same high school, it's cool, right? And growing up, he used to get on a radio, you feel me, and do this shit on a radio. He'll be freestyling this shit.

shit. Going crazy, though, you hear me? And I knew that about him. Like, if they go crazy. But then when I start seeing him as a battle rapper, I was just like, damn, that shit makes so much sense. That's raw as fuck. This nigga used to really call the radio and freestyle. And niggas are tuned in to listen to him. How did 90 proof come together? Speaking of Cole. Shit, I had made the song already and shit. And my boy grew that produced it. He was out with him somewhere. I think that was in Carolina at his house. And he played him 90 proof. I wasn't there. And bruggis was like twigging, like he love it and shit. Grooves was like, bro, he loved this song.

Like, I was like, damn, that's hard. I'm like, shit, tell him hop on that bitch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell him hop on that bitch. Right. And he did. He like instantly rap to that bitch. And, yeah.

And he called me and was like, yo, hey, let me get that 90-proof song. Like, he was gonna put it on the fall off on this album and shit. And I was like, bet. I was like, bet. I had to think about that for a minute, though, because I was just like, damn. I was just like, bit. But it was such a good vibe on my album. I had to call him back and be like, gang.

Nah. Let me get that more, bro. Let me get it. But he was cool. You feel me? Oh, so you gave it to him and he gave it back. Yeah. That's fire.

Yeah. What's that position like, though, when you have someone like Cole to say, yo, let me just get that. And then you feel like, nah, I can't give you that. But you still Cole and I want to be, I'm still. It's like a younger artist. at that point. And did you feel like

that was gonna fuck up the fact that you asked for it back? Did you feel like that was gonna fuck up like your relationship with him for future shit? No, not at all.

All right. No, you're a regular guy or you're understanding this shit but I ain't, I don't know. I just, I'm how I forgot the question. Wait, what you just like?

I love that. Just the 90 proof shit in general. Does that shit get weird though? Because this may be back kind of to the writing session stuff when you end up with certain artists on record.

you don't know where it's going to end up. You also don't know, all right, they got on my record. That doesn't mean it's going to get cleared. And even if they say yes, the major label may say no, it may not work with the timing. Like, what is that process even like? And is that in the back of your mind, like, yeah, I got a coverse, but who knows if this shit will even work, let alone be a first single with a video? Man, I ain't going to lie.

I didn't even know that we was going to put that out as a single version and all that shit. Because I was in the bag like, hell no, I want it on the aisle. I want them to, like, whoa. Oh, shit. Yeah, coes on it. Then I was just like, you know, that's the shit that I'd be doing. Like, I like, I'd be sheltering my music. Hello, like, hell of hard before I send it out.

It's my keys. It's the shit really my key. Yeah. So, yeah, I felt like, fuck that. Like, everything, just time. And let's just go. You know what I'm saying? We go mode.

We got a cover. On a good-ass song. Like, let's just rock with that shit. I got a video of that shit out there with him in his city. That's definitely one of my favorite joints on that. That 90 proof was crazy. My doubt. And more than a minute with Lucky Day.

My dog, appreciate you. Fire. So the tour, what city are you looking forward to hitting that you haven't done yet? Chicago. That sound like it's going to be crazy. Yeah, Argonne. We're going to be at the ballroom. That Chicago energy is different.

Yeah, I love Chicago. You know, I'm like an honorary with Chicago, nigger. You went to college out there, right? College, yeah. I went for a semester, but it was cool. Yeah. Yeah, I ended up meeting the nigga over there, my man, so you're cool.

Oh, that's dope. I saw you back out there when you were on tour with Siza in, like, 2017 for the control tour. Oh, in Chicago. In Chicago. Living in Chicago, that was my first time seeing both of you live and they loved you. Like, that was, they were equally as excited for you

as they were for her. That was a cool moment. Yeah, my fan's crazy, bro. That's some real crazy kids, man. I love them, niggas. Let me try to be messy. just towards the end for some quick his shit. Favorite feature on love for rent.

You have to pick one. Do you? You can't, I mean, yeah. I was somebody's going to say that. Yeah. Don't you? And my cousin, man, man. The nigga that's on the intro,

shit funny is here. Like, I love, I love. And they used to be naturally sending me messages like that, so I just use one. But, um, don't you? Favorite peer, that's not her. And also favorite up-and-coming artist. Raver prayer?

Yeah. Favorite, like, rap per, like, I was a hard of shit. Yeah, just art of shit. That doesn't have to be wrong. Dezell Curry. That's my cousin, you know what I'm saying? Love Denzel? My nigga.

Yeah, love Zelle. And didn't you guys find out, like, on some 23-and-me shit? How did y'all find out you guys were related? Because, bro, he had me hop on this song and shit, and I was just like, yeah, bro, I got this theory that all country nigs related. Like, matter of fact, I got some curries in my family. We might be cousins. And that my mama made name.

And when he called me like, hold on, nigga. Like, I'm about to ask my Puss right quick. Get him on the phone. He did all that shit. We were talking for like an hour. Found out Willie Curry had kids and something. It's some nitty shit, man. Right.

Definitely some nix shit. Yeah, yeah. For sure. It's tight. What's something that Smino would absolutely never fucking wear? Them red boots. That's why I fuck with him. You got red laces on?

No, but they ain't red. Close enough, though. It's getting that. You got me fucking. If you double nodded those shit, they'd be close. But, Smino, we want to, we ain't going to hold you too much longer, man. Thank you for taking time out of your schedule to come kick it with us. So hopefully I catch you in Jidi Jiddy Jiz somewhere on the road because I got to see y'all live show, man.

I was so mad. I missed it last night. Yeah. Turn T-Fi to Smeefe, that shit was nasty. I already know, man. Hey, yeah, come catch us. But blessings, man, y'all be safe on the road. Continue killing shit.

Love what y'all doing. Love the projects that you're putting out. and salute to big and better success for both of y'all, man. Love, I appreciate you. I appreciate you. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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