New Rory & MAL - Episode 157 | Teflon Don And The Guys Are Doing Time

Episode Date: April 7, 2023

Don’t act like you didn’t listen to Linkin Park. Let’s jump right into music and start with Summer Jam. We discuss the lineup and the danger of the new location. This conversation leads to a deeper analysis of female rappers and what type of artists get pushed. Then we discuss the double-standard surrounding being bi-curious. In political news, Mal’s favorite Big T has officially been indicted. Will he remain ten toes? Or will he snitch? Insert our response to another reddit thread. Eventually, we return to the ongoing LSU saga. Would you go to the white house? Tune in as the guys discuss this, as well as why Eddin eats Shake Shack at the airport, Rory getting gray hair, another Mal c*vid theory + more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the Iheart radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Edwin Castro, also known as Castro 1021. And I'm Conky, his best friend and business manager. And we've got a new show called The 1021 Podcast. I'm taking you behind the scenes on how I became one of Twitch's most popular streamers. We also love sports. And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking down the biggest

storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. A listen to the 1021 podcast on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Also, we're reading like Harry Potter books and shit. There was all types of-all-Huckleberry thin. Do you remember what they called Jim? I've thus forgot what they called Jim. No, I didn't read that shit. Oh, okay.

Huckleberry called him N-word Jim. Nigger Jim? Yeah. We saw that word. I was like, I will not read this. Roy put it down, chapter one. I don't think. It's like a mad lib.

You get to fill in the blank. It's like blank gym. Roy's like, nope, not me. My good old pal jim. My little pal jim. No, Worry and my. Every step in life. Become so numb.

I can't feel. Oh, sorry. Welcome to a new episode of a new Rory M. All I am all. I'm Roy. I'm sorry about yelling in your ear, people. That was just my way of getting the Royd rage out. Where does that rank on rock songs that black people like?

Oh, that's top. That's top five. That's top five. Does Jay Z doing the collab have a lot of weight in that? Or is that just purely that record? No J stamp. I think it does. I think the J stamp helped.

Yeah. But I think that was going, that was crossing over regardless. Yeah, it's a great record. Jay only did it because he liked that record. Yeah. Can we? He liked that record.

Let's put a Patreon topic to go to top 10 rock records that black people like. That could be a Patreon conversation. I like that. Yeah. Anyways, let's start the episode. Oh. How are you feeling, man? I'm cool.

You look good. You think so? Got some sleep. I did actually get a little bit of sleep. I got a haircut, too. Oh, that's what I'm sorry. I didn't notice. Do guys get offended when your friends don't notice that you got a haircut?

No, I just, my hair was longer than it had ever been in quite some time. So I'm a little offended you didn't notice that. I'm sorry about that. But a regular haircut, I wouldn't expect you. Okay. The grays were popping out the side like you would not fucking. Really? They're coming in?

Coming in. No, they're here. Are you embracing it, though? Yeah. I feel like men, we don't embrace out gray. I don't mind the gray's in the beard They're sprinkled in there a little bit Sprinkled

When the sides were like that Oh yeah What was it feeling at? It's time to get the fade back Got to taper the sides I know man I think the gray is kind of like It's like a stamp It's like to let people know this

I'm seasoned I've been here for a while A salt and ginger Yeah I've been here for a while Well let's make it a race thing Love it White people don't do well With kind of gray

We either have to go full silver fox mode Or not have gray's at all Like that in-between gray area just looks like you're going through some things. Yeah, it looks like you stressed out. Now, I feel like black people when they get just a little, you know, salt and pepper in the beard, it looks great. They can't transition well with that. I got a few grays in the beard and hair. I'm not mad at it, though.

I embrace it. I can't believe I grayed before mall. Yeah, I was going to say, mall, you have no. No, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got some back here. Yeah, I got, well, that's, damn, wow. Wow. Wow. That's, like, my birthmark.

No, I'm not talking about the, I'm. Oh, really? Is some back there? There's a whole patch. No, that's from my Vidaligo. No, but above the Vid. Yeah, but that's like residual. The vid.

The vid. Yeah. That was the original Vid. Yeah. That was the original Viddlego 19. I feel like we only. Vita Lago 19. It's not weird to y'all that COVID only came, like existed after we got rid of

the pay phones in New York City. Like when we had paid phones, there was no COVID. What's the correlation? Yeah. I'm trying to see the pay phones are the nastiest things ever. Like random people just using the same phone. Yeah. Putting it on their face.

We all used the same toll. it. Who uses the same time? Public restrooms. You sit down. No, what the fuck? We still use it. A urinal? Yeah. Eddett, you shit on flights. That's not the same as put on. I definitely shit on flights. Shit on all flights is wild?

Yes. How many times are we're going to answer? They're like, we're boarding now. Ed is like, I'll hold it. Yeah. You know why? Because Eddon is the guy that if he has like an A&M flight, he goes to Shake Shack. Oh, hell no. What is with that? And that's a specific to JFK thing for our international listeners. they have Shake Shack at JFK. At 6 a.m., the line is around the court.

I don't understand. And it's like they're not getting like a breakfast sandwich. They're getting a double burger with shake sauce and a milkshake. That's why America's obese. Yeah. Drop a heater on the way to Miami. Yuck. The nastiest thing I ever saw was I got off a flight at JFK

in the person in front of me. You know how like sometimes you just end up following people to go off your flight because you're going to same place. Veered off and went in the Shake Shack line to the airport he landed at. That's so weird. That's gross. Like, come on, man. Like, bro, you're...

And we were coming from, like, Atlanta. It's not like he was on a 12-hour flight. It's not a long flight. I never understood how people, like, the first thing they do when they're taking a flight in the morning is get a burger. That's weird. Like, I... A burger? Like, a burger?

Like, juice, a smoothie, something? Like, a burger. It is what it is. That's why we all have a heart disease and clogged arteries and shit like that. All right. And I think once or twice in my life, I probably probably had to do it. On a plane? On a plane?

On a plane? On a L.A. flight? Probably. Come on, y'all. I've definitely taken a shit. Six hours? Yeah.

You're not taking a shit? I've never, I took a shit one time on a plane because my stomach was fucking. Well, you don't eat. It'd be like that. You juice. No, I do eat. But I'm just saying, like, I take a shit before I get to the airport in the morning. And that's it.

Like, I don't need to shit once I'm on the flight, too. Like, no, I mean, it's not like I don't take my routine shit on a plane. I was just like, okay, I got a shit. Brings a newspaper. And then chuck some, chug some laxatives before he gets on the flight. I just don't understand that. Like, if you, before you leave your house in the morning to go to the airport, yeah, take a shit. Yeah.

have breakfast and shit? Sometimes you're, I'm always running late. So that's my, I'm always running late, packing late, so I don't get the chance. Sometimes I forget to people. So you forget the shit? If I'm running late, maybe you don't feel like, you don't feel like you're getting your kid at the house. Like when you leave it like, I don't.

Can't forget the shit. The home alone parents is all they need to do. All they did. All they had to do was taking shit. They were like, oh, where's Kevin? Kevin upstairs. Meanwhile, they should on the flight like, damn, forgot a kid. Exactly.

Nobody took a shit that morning. That was the problem. Well. All right. Well, we officially know that it's getting warm in New York City because our groundhog, which is the summer jam lineup has been announced. I thought it was stopping frisk. No, no, no.

Wow. Summer Jam lineup has been announced. I don't know how I feel about this one, but I do, I do, I'm enjoying the announcement only because we do notice officially summers on the way. Okay. And it is celebrating 50 years of hip hop, which is a great thing and an amazing thing in itself. Yes, sir.

I was excited about that. The lineup, though, let's talk about it. Let's start with some love. Hot 97 gets a lot of shit for 9. supporting New York artists. They do. Outside of one glowrilla, that's it, right? Everyone else is a New York artist.

Coilor raised from Jersey. Yeah. So it's an all New York City lineup. Cool. Celebrating 50 years of hip-hop. I'm sure the locks are going to bring out a bunch of New York City legends. So Hot 97 needs to tell the rest of y'all to shut the fuck up. Do they not support New York artists?

This is definitely a New York heavy lineup. New York is represented very well with this lineup. That is for sure. But there are some other things to talk about. The main thing that stuck out is the fact that it is now moving from MetLife Stadium in New Jersey, which was a capacity of 82,000 people to the UBS arena in Long Island, which is 19,000 people. So what does that say about the Summer Jam event? 60,000 less seats.

The lineup, the drawing power maybe. I think it just speaks to whatever the budget that Emmis probably gave them. Yeah. Which I mean, I know for a long time, Summer Jam was a big moneymaker for. them and they would put the bread up and get it back. But yeah, I think it's just they didn't get the budget they deserved for Summer Jam. It's just not what it was. But why? Probably because their income in general, like when they go to accounting meetings that they just don't have the money to put up to do, say, a MetLife. Because if you go over one minute in MetLife, it's fucking

a quarter million dollars. So it's probably just a nightmare. Even though festivals are getting bigger and performances are becoming more important for artists, I just don't think Hot 90s. not being, they're not on IHeart where IHart can take a budget from another thing and just give it. Yeah. Emis, I think Emmis still owns them. You let me know. They do. Flex with the checks that he gives you. Are they from Mr. Flex or are they from Emmis? They're from Mr. Flex. But yes, I'm sure Emmis owns them. Thank you. F-Flex? Yeah. On your W-N.

F-Flex? F-Flex is nasty. F-Flex LLC. Yeah, I just don't think they have the capital to be able to put together a MetLife show. and the money that artists are getting from festivals right now, you know they're getting way over what they typically do when Verizon is hosting a certain festival. Hot 97 probably just doesn't have the money to one fund MetLife to be able to afford

the artists that they want. I think that's, I'm leading more towards that. I think the fact that the Summer Jam Festival over the years has not been able to either book the bigger acts. And I think it speaks to a lot I think it speaks to the fact that just hip hop in general is now the artists that are

you know I guess click worthy names they're just not stadium draws Yeah They don't draw 80,000 people Like you know they It's like the festival stage This is now like quote unquote Festival stage now

This went from a stadium stage To the festival stage That used to be outside of the stadium At MetLife This is what this feels like now It's like okay we have to condense this We have to downsize this a little bit, only because, again, a lot of these artists, while they do have records that are,

you know, trending on social media and TikTok and things like that, it's not going to draw a stadium-sized crowd to come out paid to see these artists only perform one or two records that they have. Right. And it just kind of sucks because, you know, Summer Jam is such a staple to us that this is turned into like, you know, one of those nights at the Barclays when they'll put together like a quick lineup, promote it two weeks before, sell 20,000 tickets and, you know. It's not you don't stop what you're doing that year. Right. The way you may have for Summer Jam before.

Let's talk about what the lineup actually is and tell the listeners who's headlining. All right. Well, the lineup, Cardi B is headlining. Shout out to Cardi. Ice Spice, Coilet, Gloray, Glorilla, Lola Brook, French Montana, Fabio, Little T. And the celebration of 50 years of hip hop with the locks. And we do assume that the locks will bring out other acts to join them on stage.

So the lineup is not, it's not. It's a New York lineup. New York heavy, even though obviously Coil-Leray isn't from New York. It's Jersey. Same thing. It's our cousin. But so High 97 did the right thing in representing New York. The New York artist, supporting New York artists, giving them a stage, giving them the festival.

But again, a lot of these artists to put them in front of 82,000 people and expect them to sell that out, I don't think that is, it makes sense financially. So now saying that, right, seeing how you guys aren't as excited about the lineup. Does that say a lot about High 97 or how the music world is in New York right now? That says a lot about the state of music, the state of hip hop. No, I actually think the opposite. I think this speaks how great New York is really doing. Because a few years ago, you couldn't do one, two, three, four, seven acts that are from New York and that are relevant, especially to the masses from a radio standpoint.

You could do it maybe from an underground standpoint. No, you could have did seven artists from New York, but they would have been on the festival stage. Fair. But I'm saying like relevant to the kids, not just the legacy acts. Like I loved when Summer Jam would just throw Wu Tang randomly on the lineup. It's great. But that would be the representation for New York that year because everything was out was in the south or somewhere else. I think this speaks great to New York City. Yeah, but I don't mind. I don't mind how 97 Summer Jam not being a New York. I mean, obviously support New York acts if they deserve. Like Cardi is from New York. French is from New York. You know, Fabio, Litton, Litton.

They're New York. The locks is from New York. So it's like New York is supported. But I just think that summer jam, you know, for whatever reason, a lot of the big artists have their own festivals now. So maybe it's like they don't want to do a summer jam anymore because they have their festival this summer. Sure. So it's kind of like it's other festivals that might be booked for a festival on the West Coast. It might be booked for a festival.

I just saw an amazing lineup for Napa. Oh, yeah. I was like that's. This is the third year or second year? Yeah. They have had probably the best. You know what I mean? So it's like a lot of festivals.

are popping up where artists already booked and artists are performing that they'd rather touch that stage than... Radius clauses too. Yeah, so it's just, you know, it's a lot of variables involved here. But the downsides to me of the venue is the biggest part and

let's just keep it where the location is a little... That's what I wanted to get to after we discussed the lineup. The first thing I saw when it moved to UBS Arena which is at Belmont was not, oh shit, they downsized. It was why did they pick this fucking arena.

Do that shit at Barclays, which is used to having acts like that go to that arena. Yeah. Let's get it, let's not get it twisted. This is in Long Island, but not really in Long Island. This is one block away from Queens Village. Yeah. This is 10 minutes away from East New York. I don't know if the Elmont PD is ready for what's about to happen with this being all New York

city artists. Right. It's not like it's a bunch of southern artists that we're just doing it in New York. everyone here has a crew and that crew has a crew who has a crew and it's also inside and it's more difficult to get into an indoor arena than it is to get the outside shit let's just be honest

easier sneak into shit that parking lot is going to be the most dangerous place on earth nice riko jam this shit is going to be terrifying I'm sure they're going to have state troopers but elmont PD would probably have to take the bulk of a lot of this shit

so Rory explains this is walking distance from Queens Village. Explain what Queens Village is to our non-New York listeners. Queens Village has some areas that can get a little dicey. Dice. That's it. Just dicey? Two weeks ago, one of...

You can get diced. Two weeks ago, one of the biggest gang raids in New York City history happened five minutes away from where UBS Arena is. Basley Projects is... You could get there in 15 minutes, maybe less. Yeah.

This is the area where the biggest gang raid ever just happened. And they're going to put a full New York City lineup, which we've seen the music videos. I know it's all prop guns. It's all for show. Yeah. I understand that. But let's just say

maybe in a world it's not. All of those crews plus just regular gangs are going to go to this. It's a sticky situation. And you have to also understand Summer Jam, of course, always brought out that crowd. And that

crowd did travel all the way to the metal lands to go. It was always a little dicey in that parking lot of Summer Jam as well. Terrible. But it held 82,000 people. So it was easier to get a ticket. And those people, let's go into the show. Yeah. 19,000 tickets. You know how many people are not going to get in? You know how many people are going to be in that parking lot drunk, pissed off? Yeah. In the same area. I do. This is the most dangerous shit ever. I'm happy for this New York City lineup. I'm terrified for this day. It's going to be one of those events where, you know, we want everybody to be safe.

We want everything to go off without any problems and any, you know, unfortunate circumstances. But the location where it is, you know, we know how hip hop can be with everybody in their crews, their entourages. I mean, I just, I don't know, man. It's just something just doesn't feel right. You guys going to go? Yeah, I was just going to ask, are you guys going to go? I would like to go. No.

No. There's no way. No. Are you fucking crazy? But to be fair, I haven't gone to Summer Jam in years. We were usually going to those every years. I just haven't gone in years. I haven't been a Summer Jam in years.

Not because it's just one, again, last year it didn't. That was probably one of the few years in a while where it didn't rain. But most years for Summer Jam, that was the ongoing thing every year it rains. You're in the stadium. It's thunder, lightning, pouring rain. And you're just sitting there. They stopped the show for a while. Everybody's inside by the concession stands.

that it stops raining. So I just stopped going after a while. This year it's in an arena. It's not out in a stadium that's, you know, no roof or anything like that. But it's where it's at the location. It's a smaller venue. And it just, I don't know, something just doesn't feel right. Something doesn't feel like it's someone that I was like, if somebody was to invite you to a party and you know, it's in a dice neighborhood, it's like, you'll call me when you get there. Like let me know what it's, you know what it's like when you get in there. Also, also, this is in legitimately a residential neighborhood. Like the meadowlands around everything is either swamp or highway or just empty fucking land.

This is legitimately in a residential neighborhood on the border of Elmont, Cambria Heights, and Queens Village. So escaping that parking lot with the Cross Island already going to be a traffic jam, that's going to spill into all the neighborhoods around. Yeah. People are going to park and those neighborhoods walk to the arena. It's just, I don't know. This is going to spill all into, this is just not a good idea. It's giving a nice ghetto good time. And like, listen, people, people, people say. Oh, it's going to be that for sure.

People could say, all right, Barclays Center, it's in Brooklyn. Like, wouldn't that be worse? They are acquit for that. They know what time it is. And there's been shootings in the Barclays. But they prepared and made the Barclays knowing where it was, knowing the people that were going to be there. The security shit is fucking insane.

Not to say it won't be here. I just don't think UBS has ever had. this type of event with the type of crowd specifically that's going to come. And I don't mean that in the way you guys think I mean, I think actual gang members. The one thing that was going to bring me to want to go is the locks. Yeah. Like I thought about it. I'm like, damn, the locks.

This staff is used to Islander games. Yeah. Angry whites. Like to me. Then again, yeah, the Angry Long Island whites are pretty rowdy. They're pretty rowdy right now, too. My bad, I'm all good. That was the draw for me, though.

the locks. Like I looked at the lineup. I was like, I might want to go just to see a lot to perform, do a lot of their records. But yeah, I don't know if styles and kissing chic is going to get me to go to the UBS arena.

I don't think I'm going to skip out on this one. But it is a good thing that, you know, they were able to put a good lineup together. Shout out to Cardi B. headlining. Shout out to little TJ. You know, he went through a lot, the fact that he's even able to be on the stage and performing his health care again.

Shout out to him. And shout out to, you know, just all of the other other. Shout out to Lola Brooke. You know what I mean? She's popping. She's hot right now. That's another thing, though.

Look for her. Yeah, I think it's great. I think it's great that little T.J. is on his bill and it's healthy and is able to perform. Yeah. So if nothing else, just congrats to those, you know, those acts and those artists.

Now, that's what we're going to, that kind of, no, I'm not shitting on Little T.J. I think that's amazing. But we've seen publicly that there seems to be an internal beef on why he was harmed. Mm. Has Lil T.J. been outside for real sense?

No, I don't think so I mean he's been He's performed He's hit a couple stages But not like really Outside of New York like that I don't believe I know that he

He did a video shoot It was Ice Spice They did a video shoot He got arrested I think In the mix of all of that But other than that I haven't I haven't heard about Little TJ being outside

And I'm not saying Lil TJ is a problematic artist That shouldn't be booked Or anything like that Let's just go off what they've put out Clearly there is some tension amongst entourages

with little T.J. in New York City. He said that. What was the festival that year where a lot of the artists had got locked up? Rolling loud. Rolling loud. Oh, God. That was crazy. Yeah, that was sick.

Hopefully this year, again, nothing like that happens. Oh, these guys got their legal affairs and order. They don't have any active warrants. If you have an active warrant, you will be caught at disarranted. Oh, no. They're going to catch you before you get inside. They're going to be there waiting for you. So have all your shit together.

Don't even go over there if you don't have your legal. your legal things put in order. Your lawyers tell you everything is good. You don't have no active warrants. And ain't nobody looking for you. If they are, stay your ass in the house. Don't go over there because they're going to lock you up. You cannot escape Belmont easily.

Jesus. I'm telling you. You make it sound like Alcatraz. Have you been there? Yeah, I've been over there. It's been years, but I've been over there. It's either the Cross Island or residential neighborhoods. You can't get out of there.

The traffic getting out of summer jam and MetLife used to be crazy. Oh, God. So imagine what it's going to be like in a. residential area with traffic lights on every other corner. And Cross Island is a parking lot on a Tuesday at 1 a.m. Yeah. Let alone at this time. Well, let's just see how it goes.

Again, hopefully everybody's safe. It would be beautiful if all of this goes off without any incidents. And, you know, hip hop is able to come together. Summer Jam is able to go off without any, you know, any crazy shit happening. But I don't know, man. Something just, something feels just a little off, a little shaky. It's just a little shaky. It's like when you sit in the chair and you, like, I feel like if I sit down too hard,

this shit might break. It's like one of those. It's... Matter of fact, you know what it is? Yeah. You never sat on a chair and it was like... One of them legs was kind of like...

It was what? Do it again more? Yeah, one of those legs was it doing? Yeah, you like, nah, fan. You know when in belly when Nas walks out of the barbershop and sees A. Z there with his son? And then AZ looks around and says, yo, I'm about to blow done.

That's what this feels like. Yeah, this feels like I'm going to blow. It's definitely... Like, I'm going to leave. This looks very unsafe. Yeah. It's good to see you, though. Yeah.

But I'm going to leave. No, but that scene was crazy for a number of reasons, but I understand what you're saying. But either way, shout out to Summer Jam. It's officially getting warm again because that's our groundhog in New York City. And watch it be beautiful and sunny when they do it inside. Oh, absolutely. Because you know that's just how life works.

And for those that don't know, it's just how Life Works every single year. I love the fact that the Summer Jam lineup is a heavy female presence. Representation of the Times? Yeah. But why are we not pushing other female? artists that are maybe just as if not more talented. By talent, you just mean by like your opinion of their talent level?

No, I mean talent. Or like same talent level moving the same amount of units or have the same amount of attention? See, I don't, I don't put talent behind moving units. I put that, I put the units behind the push, behind the machine, behind the industry, pushing an artist. I don't equate that to talent. Like I feel like we don't see Tierra Wack enough. We don't get her on, you know, stages enough, festivals enough.

Like, don't you. I mean, I know, Docheon, I'm sure will eventually be on all these lineups once TDE wants to, like, let her out into the world rather than doing a verse every eight months. Tierra whack, I've seen on festival lineups. Tierra whack, to me, is more of a festival act than, say, Summer Jam, because Summer Jam tends to lean into radio, where Tierra whack, I don't even think, tries for radio. but a lot of the talented female emcees wouldn't end up I think on a radio style festival in this way

but I mean not to say Tierra Wack couldn't be on more festivals but I have seen her on them she does get some looks in that degree because that the festival crowd isn't the mainstream radio crowd and they would like Tierra Wack but I yeah I wouldn't see her on a summer jam per se at this time I think you have to have like a hit

no I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not saying just Summer Jam. I'm saying why don't we, you know, see the push behind other talented dope female MC's female rappers? Well, they don't really necessarily push talented male rappers either. So there's no way they would push talented female rappers. And I'll get misogynistic here. When the quote unquote talented MC men get that push, it's because the hip hop heads, which are typically male dominated, push that artist. Women don't support the female emcees like that. From a massive standpoint,

I'm not saying that they don't, you know, fill up their own tours, but from a larger sense like this, yeah, women don't support female emcees like that. And because emcees are usually supported by the underground or the hip hop head or the nerd, whatever the fuck you want to call it, that's typically male.

And men, for the most part, whether we like it or not, don't always lean into female rappers. We don't. But that's not. You guys can all be this amazing people. I understand. You all love every female artist.

But we don't typically... But when did that start, though? Because there was a time where, you know, it was all about who's dope. Like when Kim was out, Kim was Kim, but then it was Foxy doing her thing. Foxy had her push. The women supported Luke. Eve. Like, there was a time where there were a lot of dope emcees.

They didn't sound alike. They didn't look alike. They didn't, you know, they had their own... Everybody had their own wave, but everybody... It seemed like it was more support for the dope female rappers. Well, they also had, but I would say there is that as well to the level that Kim and Foxy were at. I think the female rappers are supported the way Kim and Foxy were. If you're talking about the lyrical, lyrical ones.

So y'all weren't checking for Kim if she wasn't a part of who she was a part of. Y'all weren't checking for Eve if she wasn't a part of who she was a part of. Y'all weren't checking for none of these female rappers if they weren't a part of an all male crew. That's how they got that push because you supported the entire crew. they were on the features, all of these things. These female rappers are not on an all-male crew. They're coming out by themselves. It's a completely different.

Also, I would put Kim more towards a Cardi Lotto, Glorilla rather than a Tierra whack. And so I think that Glorilla, Lotto, Cardi are all getting the push, the same push that Kim got. Is there a more lyrical rapper you can think of from the Little Kim era that didn't get a push? From the Kim era? Yeah. Like Gene Gray maybe. But I don't even think she... Gene Ray's super dope.

I just don't even think she even cared to play the game to get a push. But even then to Demaris's point, she was with the all-male crew. She was running around with Black Star. Yeah, but I don't think that you need and, like, what crew did Queen Latifah come from? Recrued... Irvington? You know what I mean? Like, MC Light.

Like, there was like... It wasn't always like that. It wasn't like female rappers and emcees didn't always need a cosign or a stamp from a male dominant crew. Like that wasn't always a thing. But it happened. They're getting the most push I think they've ever gotten right now, though. Yeah, but lyrical ones aren't, but lyrical rappers in general don't get that push. No, you're saying lyrical.

I'm just saying more talented. Okay. Like, I'm not just saying it has to be a lyrical. I'm just saying more talented. Like, there's a lot of talented female rappers that I feel like don't get the push that they deserve. because it's like, yo, she's dope. And her music is crazy. I mean, Tierra Wack is a great example of that because she, one can rap for real.

She's very talented. She makes actual good songs in music. 100%. So, yeah, I don't know what the disconnect is there. I don't know her personally or what her situations has been within business. But that would be one I do agree with. But other than that, I think female rappers have gotten the most push they've ever gotten in their lives. Matter of fact, I think some are getting pushes they don't deserve at all.

No, a lot of them are getting pushes they don't deserve. But that's that's with the male rappers too. But that can go into the whole conspiracy of hip hop and what's being pushed by these record labels, right? They're not pushing talent. They're not. The rap that we hear on the radio these days, very few artists until like we've spoken about our greats that we have from our era. These rappers are not talented. They don't have, they're not talking about anything real or of substance.

They're rapping about the same exact things. They just moved to Summer Jam Festival from an 82,000 seat stadium to a 19,000 seat of Because it's not, you can, you can, you can trick the algorithms. You can do the TikTok thing and all of that and it looks great on social media and things like that. That doesn't always translate into people buying a ticket and coming out, leaving their homes, getting dressed to come see you on a stage before. Well, you know, we'll keep it on a loop and spin it.

Girls and make, you know, Instagram rills and things like that to these records and things like that. But now when you say, yeah, get dressed and then, you know, get in your car and drive over there and pay money to go see that artist, they're like, no, I'm cool. and to me that's an issue. Okay. But a lot of what you guys are. Because it's like, where's the talent?

We get the loop. We get the hook is on a loop on TikTok and it sounds, you know, the caption is good. But where's the talent though? But as a anti-tick-toker, I will say I would rather see that type of shit at a festival or at an arena than I would some lyrical shit. No, you would. Unless there's a difference. We just saw what Jay Cole did with Dreamville. And he's a lyrical is a guest.

Jay Cole is a unicorn. But he's not. But so that's. my point. Okay. I like to me... Lyrics still matter. We like...

We went to go see Kendrick at Barclays. That was a performance in a show catered around all his lyrical amazing shit. Talent. With these types of festivals and shit, you don't get a crazy budget for creative. You have to, couldn't come with trucks unless you're the fucking headliner. You get 30 minutes, sometimes 20, and you're going on stage. Sometimes the mics aren't even right. Like, it's a hard thing to pull off.

So yeah, give me the fuck. In the ice by shit. Don't do that because we know where Summer Jam used to be. Sure. We know the level it used to be at. We know that the talent that used to touch that stage. We know the artist that used to touch that stage. But things developed.

Clearly there's been a change in the talent level in hip hop and in the artistry. It's been a change. But this is a recycled combo because I'm sure in 2003, when 50 headlined, there was people saying, please get this dumb down, go shoddy. It's your birthday shit off the Summer Jam's. stage, why is most not on here? Yep. It's changed because now we, now in retrospect, 50 is super lyrical, but it's just moving

forward. Like, this is just how it goes. It's going to be dumbed down more and more. No, but I do, I do think that this is a direct result of, uh, the industry being affected by, you know, social media impressions. Oh, course. Yeah, absolutely. Like this, and that's what I'm saying.

So now the talent is on display. Now it's the stage. You can't hide behind the algorithms and the numbers now. You know, you're talking about, yo, get people to come out to see this artist. Put this artist in the stadium. Oh, we can't draw these numbers anymore. All right, we got to downsize it then. Clearly, it's a correlation is all I'm saying. Like when you have town, like you said, Kendrick Lamar. It's a coi laramom. Super lyrical, but it's a talent thing.

When we went to that show, you saw the whole, you got the whole picture of what Kendrick is as an artist. You understand what I'm saying? Like, it's not just, yo, here's a dope 20 seconds of a song or 50, 15 seconds of a song on a on a social media platform that everybody is posting. It's like, no, this is a whole thing. This is an actual artist with talent, talent level. But we saw, we've seen the talented artist pop from TikTok and then it goes, it transitions into the live shows. Like this is the whole Steve Lacey thing.

That whole, what seems to be his entire tour was TikTok fans. And then he's like, you know, he had the adverse reaction towards it. But I mean, there are benefits to. That's a very, that's a very. No, like he's different. Like, I get it. Steve Lacey was very popular before TikTok. And putting on...

He's significantly more known now. He's always been a great musician. He's always been putting out great music. But I'm saying, like, in terms of... His talent level was over here. Yeah, yeah, in terms of, like, recognition and popularity, it's TikTok that got him to that point. But also, when we went to go see Kendrick, we wanted that.

But if someone's going to see Ice Spice, I'm not taking away from her talent level, but the point to go to that performance would be the phone. I get to have IcePice actually. do it live when I can hold it and wrap along and do the little ice spice dance I can put on my TikTok me seeing her like that's the that's the point of going to an ice spice performance the bend over and wipe that's the whole you want that you're going so you can put that on your page with ice spice behind you yeah but everybody yeah but how but obviously that's what you want yeah but is it's it's

like but it's they had the downsize significantly and I don't it's so my 60,000 less seats but But that's not a good comparison because I think that's a hot 97 thing in budgeting. Because clearly we see performances and festivals are getting bigger rather than downsizing. This I think is a personal radio, MS communications issue. And just sponsorships, like everything around the hot 97 brand, which is just a radio thing in general with hip-hop. And as far as talent when it comes to women rappers, let's like be honest. y'all and when I say y'all I mean men in general not y'all in this room y'all support the women y'all support the women that bend over and shake their their asses people all the time say oh meg

raps about the same thing but when meg meg is an extremely talented rapper when she gets into her rapping bag nobody wants to hear that shit y'all want to hear her rap about pussy y'all want to see her twerk and bend over that's what sells so if you want to make money in this in this era of music you have to rap about what people are going to support men are misogynistic if you're not rapping about pussy and shaking your ass. They're not supporting it. No, this is where you're wrong. We don't want Meg to rap about pussy.

We like watching women we like rap along to Meg rapping about pussy. I don't sit there and go, God, I hope Meg gives me another pussy bar. I like the reaction. Well, I don't particularly care. I don't know. Yeah. Oh, I can't wait for it. I like the reaction when I'm out or whatever at an event, seeing women react to the women

rappers. It's fun. It's a great environment. It's something I enjoy. I don't know if that makes me a creep. I don't think so. So women aren't going to react the same when we raping about when she's on there rapping about real shit.

Women aren't going to react the same in the club. They're not going to play that in the club because you can't bend over and shake your ass today. Because we don't see it. You got to give me your 16 rather than the pussy shit. Right. You're talking to somebody that. Derek. You're talking to somebody that saw exactly what Little Kim's hardcore did.

Like, and those was pussy bars. She was talking crazy all through it out there. But it was still a certain talent level. it was still the music was still Big was writing her finds Regardless of who was writing it She was delivering it Oh for sure

The whole look The aesthetic everything And it was just like Yo the music was dope You understand I'm saying It's like the music now It's like You get a bar

And then you get something in the hook And then it's like All right but what else now? You know what I'm saying So now you're trying to ask people To come out to see that live See that's what You might get them a couple of times

But they're not going to keep coming to see that But you're right with the delivery Like we like Kim Because of her delivery because of her delivery and her attitude on the songs. And I think that's the same reason we like the female rappers now. They deliver really well. The way they say simple shit sounds fire.

Kim, I didn't just listen to a Kim album by myself. Like there'd have to be some women around for me to want it. Bump Little Kim. Oh, nah. Like besides Quiet Storm, I just don't know if I'm... No, we was listening to... Or a junior mafia record. Little Kim Hardcore album was playing the Foxy album.

We was playing because they was really, they were spitting. It was really rapping. So you was just chilling in your crib alone. Just, just more. Headphones on. Eyes closed. Just, just banging out to Lil Kim. I definitely used to go to school like on the train when I walked man on my headphones on

listening to Foxy. I don't want Dick tonight. I mean, I wasn't singing along that. It's like, it was playing. You know what I mean? Like Foxy's album, it was playing for sure, absolutely. You wanted to remember with the beat, huh? I didn't want no problems with the beat.

beat at all. I still don't. I don't want no problems. I'm just saying it's a certain level to me. Like I said, the music industry is affected by social media platforms because now it's not about talent. It's about can you just catch a good 15 seconds in a song that's going to go viral that the kids are going to love. So that's what I'm saying. Now it's starting to affect other areas of entertainment. Yeah. Sure. Because of TikTok videos in the 15 second cycle were conditioned to only consume that much audio, which gives the artist less incentive to put time and effort into their lyrics because if you have the 15 seconds that pop, who cares what the remaining minute and a half of the song says. Right. So yeah, you're right. I agree with that front. And that's all I'm

it's just, it's just we got to, again, I'm happy that these artists are getting these looks. Yeah. I'm happy that they're making the money that they're making, they're supporting their families themselves or whatever. All that is great. I'm just starting to say that it's going to, it's starting to and it's going to keep affecting certain other areas of entertainment because the talent has to stand up and meet these numbers on these algorithms. This is all I'm saying. And I agree, but I'm not saying that just fell out of thin air. I think the era you're talking about that we love did start that. I think they dumb shit down.

They realized what worked with the radio. They just focused on a hook. They just focused on a bridge. They just focused on one single part of the song. Even back to, let's talk about 50, go shardy, it's your birthday. That was the part. Of course, the rest of the record is great. But that started where we are now.

it was certainly focused on what's the hook what's the beat is the beat simple too yeah the hook was always the hook was always the hook that's why it's called the hook it's what grabs you and I'm saying it as hip hop went even specifically to the era of Kim

that we're talking about the hook post 98 the hook was the only fucking thing that mattered when it came to mainstream shit it was the only thing that was focused on yeah but but again I mean you know but it still has to be a certain

quality though. It has to be it can't just be the hook and then I was after that. Like a lot of these records I literally only know the hook. I don't know nothing else. We know we know Swiss and Farrell to be some of the best producers we've ever seen on earth.

That's not why they've lasted so long and why they were so popular in the 2000s. It was because they came to the studio with a hook already there that they focused on forever and they just plug, artists just plug and play. that's why they lasted so long in this game

because they just focused on the hook when it needed time to have a radio record. I'm with you. The hook is... And then when the South game and like really, really blew up, it was focused on 20 seconds of a hook in a dance. Like, it's just gradually got to this point.

I can't just blame this era in these kids because the time I love were the ones that started this shit. The Snap era and the like Soldier Boy, I mean, obviously predated the social media TikTok stuff, but all of those records are the same formula. No, definitely. Ringtone rap was the first TikTok rap. We have to focus on the 20 seconds that is going to sell the ringtone. Yeah.

That was the first. And of course, there was way more going on and you actually had to wrap three verses and the beats may have been more complex. I'm not comparing the two. I'm just saying it was the start of where we are now. Yeah, hip hop has been getting dumb down throughout history. It's gotten dumber and dumber. we just have these little, that's why I said when you mentioned J. Cole, I'm like, oh, the unicorn, we have these little unicorns that pop up and we hold so tightly to their music and then they have like kids that come and,

you know, they do sort of kind of well. But the mainstream hip hop has been getting stupider for forever. This is not new. It's just, again, all, everybody is saying valid shit. The hook is the most important song is to catch as part of the record. It's supposed to be for eternity. I'm saying it became the only thing But the great artists, they know how to live and survive for sure in between the hook. And then they know how to do things within the verse. The verse that sounds like a hook. You know what I mean? Like so.

Right. Like that's, I know. It's little things like that that I think that a lot of the times get lost now because it's so much like, yo, just give us 15 seconds that we could loop on social media. And it's like, whoa, but what about the rest of the record? What about the album? You know, what else? Like, what are we doing with this artist?

Is it just like, we're just going to make money for social media and and say, oh, let's put this artist on the stage. Then the artist, that's why when everybody was killing Ice, what was she at, Rolling Loud? Rolling Loud. Yeah. It was like, what did you expect? You know what I mean?

Like, she's not ready for that. She went from her bedroom to Rolling Loud in two weeks. Exactly. It's like, what did you expect for this artist to do? Like, I remember years ago, Bryson Tiller was talking about when his record took off from SoundCloud. He didn't even know. He was like, wait, they want another record.

Like, I don't have one yet. You know what I mean? It's kind of like, how are you throwing this artist in front of this festival crowd? And it's like, I don't even know how to stand and hold my hand and hold the mic. And I don't even know my back is to the crowd. I'm talking to like my deep. I don't even know what I'm doing. Performance is a whole different entity.

But that speaks to another level of talent. Yeah. You understand? That's another, that's another area of being an artist that you have to dominate, which is why I said you can be the lyrical guy like Kendry. But then when you go see the Mr. Big Stepper's, Mr. Morrill on the Big Stepper show, you're sitting there like, yo, this is insane. It's a live film.

Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? But a lot of that speaks to a budget as well. Not just budget because if you have that talent level, oh, somebody will find the budget to put it together. They'll make it happen. And you can scale it down. Like we saw Bad Bunny at Made in America.

You know what I mean? Like he just condensed what was his normal show to a festival show. Like, I got to condense it. But it's a whole world that he's created, which is why he is who he is. It's just a talent level. It's over 15 years of experience, too. I got watched Kendrick from SOVs.

Oh, no, no, no. I'm not. I'm not, I'm not compared. I'm just saying you can be the lyrical guy that doesn't just focus on the 15 second hook and be amazing. I'm saying he had the time to get there whereas Ice Spice has only been out of the years. It's throughout there. That's what I'm saying. It's like.

Now there's other weird shit like the LMA situation. I've heard her talk about that. Like when that record blew up, they were like, all right, we need more of this. She was like, I put that out a year ago and I have a whole new album with a different sound. Different sound. Scrap that because now you're just doing this. Kit mustard over here. Yeah.

See? But. But that even leaks into R&B. Like, it's not just about who's talented. Like I said, Keanu Ladegh had one of the best albums I've heard in a long time. If you're not getting the push, you can have an amazing talent. You can be amazing. You can write, rap, sing, everything.

But if you're not getting the push, then it doesn't matter. If the powers that be aren't pushing you, it doesn't matter how talented you are. You're not going to see the success that you should be. It's been a problem for a long time, though. Like, we need to push a lot of these R&B. Tink needs to get pushed. more. People need to start talking my Tink a little more. We love Sizzar,

love summer, we love those acts. Go listen to Tinks catalog. But there's a balance. I don't want to put it all on the quote-unquote powers that B, because it's not like people talk like you could just take fucking me and be like, here's a song

and now you're the number one artist in the world. Why? That's what they did, Ice Spice. Ice Spice delivered with music. She delivered with an image. She branded herself really well. Her, her personality she branded really well. Like, let's not say IcePice went to

the label and they taught her how to be a cool Bronx chick. Like, yes, the powers that be pushed her, but she also pushed herself. She knows how to brand herself. She knows how to deliver records. She understands her audience. She understands TikTok and how that shit works. She gets it. So there's a lot of factors that come

in to it. Like, Tanase, I think she's super talented. She's had every fucking opportunity you could think of. She's been push in every way possible. Sometimes things just don't click. And timing is a huge thing as well. Sometimes you just miss your fucking opportunity. I don't know if it's magic. I don't know if it's the stars. Sometimes timing really is what matters. No, timing is everything. Time is. We understand your job is to be prepared for your time and your moment. But I feel like a lot of artists are,

but it's just because now the game is so watered down with a lot of fluff and a lot of just bullshit. It's like a lot of dope shit gets lost. Like, you know, I told my Victoria Monet and Jawsi just put out of album songs for women, free game for niggas. That is incredible. These are the joints we need to start. It's artists that are there. You know what I mean? But it's like because there's certain artists that are just always pushed and on our algorithm consistently, that's done purposely.

I think Jossi is a great example. That's when talent meets push. Yeah. Project is incredible. She's also a star just in her own right. She has people behind her that will push it correctly. Sometimes those two things don't mix and timing. Who she is personally.

we haven't seen this yet. Even down to the title of her project, which I won't say. Songs for women, free game for niggas. So who she is, her sexual orientation, how she presents herself, this is the perfect time for Jaze. Yes. Sometimes it's timing. Ice spice, a lot of timing with this one too.

So it can't always be, we're not just going to throw me and Edin in a group. And then Atlantic's going to be like, number one, you guys. What would that group be called? orange and mangoes. The fruits. Wow. To counter... We could join Fruit Town.

They get extorted us. We could... No, my. To counter DeMaris's point about, like, there is no universal button, like as someone that was recently at the label system. That's hit the button. Yeah.

That's someone that said that, yeah, I have... You're like Trump with the new... I still have my finger on the button. No, but there is no button. It's in everyone's best interest at the label to see all their artists... you know, progress and succeed. There's no, like, no one at the label is like, let's wait another year on this one.

If it happens and you have that moment, like when I was Atlantic, Jack Harlow popped. No one in the building was like suppressing Jack until what's popping happened. What's popping happened? And then all the powers that be were able to get him in positions that he wasn't ready for at a time before that record before that moment hit. So it's also about like scaling artists at an appropriate rate. You can't just throw so-and-so on SNL if no one knows. who they are. Like, if you're an artist, you need to know what looks, when the look makes the

most sense for you to go on certain platforms to be a part of certain festivals. You can't just get the house thrown at you and expect to just take off. That's not at all how it works. Oh, of course. No, when I say like the powers that be, I'm not even like talking about that. I think like hip hop is a huge conspiracy and I think that. You think hip hop is a conspiracy? Not hip hop itself, but I think the music, y'all don't think that. Y'all don't think that we've been dumbing down this shit. Like, you don't think that there's something behind that? Yes. I just feel like the CIA doesn't have rhythm.

Yeah, but like, what's the conspiracy? Yeah, so like, why would they do that? So you don't think that there's a reason that stuff about drugs and guns and stuff gets pushed so much more. You don't think that there's a reason that songs about hating men, all of that. Oh, yeah, girl, fuck him, leave him. Like, y'all don't think that there's a bigger thing behind that. And I don't think it's just hip-hop. I think society.

Well, just music, period, not just hip-hop. Music, period. I think that there's a reason why in black music, if you sing about love, compared to if you sing about fuck that nigga which one is going to blow up more if you sing about drugs and all of that stuff

and compared to singing about positive things why one's going to blow up more but I could be being a conspiracy theorist but I've thought about that for a long time why some of that stuff

gets pushed but I don't think that's a label thing I think it's bigger than that that's just in general I think with society like violent movies you find a way more intriguing

every single time via crime podcast most humans escape is like the extreme of what reality is. Now, I think labels may look at that and go, oh, let's definitely exploit this at the detriment of that community. I think there is a conspiracy,

but not even a conspiracy. I just think corporations do not give a fuck about the safety of people. So they'll take advantage of a community liking that type of music and push it because it's going to be profitable. So I agree with you somewhat. I just don't think there's a meeting at Atlantic where they're like, we need to get more guns into Brooklyn. No, but that's why I said I think it's bigger than the labels.

But at the same time, it wasn't always like that. It's happening. Oh, no, it's definitely. Every Wednesday. Every Democratic meeting. Every month. Hip hop used to be extremely informative, extremely like fight the power, all of that stuff.

Music used to only be about love. Well, mainly, like mainstream music used to be love songs, and they did well. There's some of your favorite songs that you still listen to to this day. At some point, there was a switch. I just don't think that that just happened naturally because of human age. But also, I think that's a bit misleading to, and pardon my complexion. Yes, there was public enemy and fight the power.

But at the exact same time, Karras won had an Uzi on his album cover. Yeah, but what was the Uzi representation of? Fair. But if you don't do the knowledge of a certain BDP records, they can just sound like gunshots and murder. Yeah, but that's why you got to do the knowledge. Yeah, but we're talking about impressionable people that it's affecting and more profitable. Hip hop.

Hip hop went from, you know, them trying to ban NWA for saying, fuck the police and all of these things, Ice T, they were trying to ban it. You know, Snoop Dog. He was saying bitch too much in his record and these are, these is, you know, they was, this was a time where they were trying to ban those things.

But Jay tried to ban bitch. What? Jay tried to ban bitch. What do you mean? When Blue Ivy was born, he was like, I'm not saying bitch anymore. He didn't, no, he was saying he was. He wasn't saying the world.

He didn't say it. And I feel like he said bitch. Panning. He said it like, I think, two songs later. He said it like, I think, two songs later. He said, he said. I'm off that. He definitely said we're off tens

and probably wore Tims in the video. Yeah, no, for sure. He had Tim's on last night. We off that. I'm just saying, like, hip hop went from that to where they were trying to censor that and get those albums and artists

off the shelves to now, like DeMara said, a lot of these artists, you look at a lot of these draw artists, look at their numbers on YouTube. It's insane. It's a thousand guns in the video of one nigga. I'm like, it was two niggers and this whole,

this whole video had two males. They had 90 guns. Like where's Waldo? You got to find the artist. But you were trying to ban, you were trying to ban NWA for saying fuck the police. They were just saying something. You know, fuck the police.

Yeah. Take that off the shelves. But these gentlemen over here in Chicago, they got 900 million views on this video. And they're getting paid for it. But I think that comes from a society thing that's bigger. Like, I don't know if Chief Keefe, his whole life, only 14 years at that point,

was just like, just love music. I want to be a rapper. It was profitable at the time. And he was talking about exactly what was happening in Chicago, which is not rap's problem. No, I'm not saying it's rap's problem. I'm just saying the way the industry is designed, the way it's set up. Like what Chief Keeffe was doing was literally just being what hip hop piece for the community and what's going on and letting the world know like, yo, this is what we deal with.

This is what we go through. We're trying to get away from this. We're trying to get an escape. We're trying to create a way out. But then once they started paying, you know, When Chief Keith Bloopman became the icon that he is, what does that do? It births a bunch of other. Oh, genre.

You understand what I'm saying? So now they're seeing like, because he made it out doing that, we're from the same area. Okay, let's talk about what we're still going through and let's try to get out of that. But what I'm saying is keep in mind, it came from trying to ban somebody, a group, one of the most iconic groups ever from saying fuck the police to now, okay, all of these black men could have automatic weapons in their videos and do a 900 million viewers. on YouTube and we're going to pay them every month for doing this and we're going to push it on the algorithms and let them keep doing that even though the crime rate is what it is in Chicago and you know we're going to put these gentlemen in prison and he has active warrants let's go

lock them up because we've seen them in the video with a gun in his aunt it's like wait hold on but y'all paying them to do this and now music isn't sorry to cut you off julia and now music isn't just reflecting what's going on what's going on is reflecting the mute like they're copying the music so now it's just not oh i'm rapping about what's going on. Now I'm trying to do what's what people are rapping about now because these, because hip hop is so influential and these are the leaders now. So now I'm, even if I'm from the fucking suburbs, I'm trying to be a gangster. That's how fucking six-nines get bored. Well, that's why Chris Rock is a legend with CB4 with the movie. Like that was the NWA

playoff NWA. And it was like here, this is what the music is going to do. It's going to influence people that are not going through this, not from this culture at all. And they're going to try to imitate and mimic this because they're so in love of what is going on in our culture. But in fact, you don't have, you're not, you didn't grow up in poverty, sir. You could have went to school. You could have got a degree. You didn't have to go this route. But it's hard to tell a kid, yo, go sitting in class, go do that when his homeboy from the hood is doing 18 million views on YouTube and just bought his mother a house and he has four cars. And it's like, go to school. No, turn the beat on, fam. That's what we're about to do. Like, I'm not going to, you

understand I'm saying, but it's like, what do we, what do we, how are we programming? Let's go create some ops. Yeah, like, nobody dislikes you. Creating an op. Yeah, nobody dislikes you, sir. You're creating this energy that is not real. You miss read 40. You're being monetized for it.

It's hard to tell these kids don't do it. Yep. But then they, when you say, okay, now you, sir, go on that stage and entertain, but he's not an entertainer. Yeah. Get to dancing. Get to dancing. He's not that.

Stop dancing for these white people. Yeah. You can't. It's not there because he didn't even want to really be an artist. He just imitated something he saw. Caught a lick. Caught a lick. the fuck. So to them, that's entertainment. We look at it because we've seen performances. We're

like, all right, this is awful. But to these younger kids, their form of entertainment is the phone. So they get to see what's on their phone in front of them. It's nothing. It's wrapping over a two-track. If you go on Twitter or TikTok or any social media platform where people are just live posting from a, from a festival, it's crazy. You'll see the same 15-second clip of Ice Spice doing the section of the song that they know. You'll see thousands of videos of people in the crowd posting, filming the same second. So when you experience it, like if say we weren't in Dreamville, we're just watching from afar, if we go online, we would see the same clip just flood our newsfeed because everyone just wants that one moment of that 15 seconds of their artist doing the one thing that they know. Yeah.

And give Ice Spice a little bit of credit, though. I feel like she's- I give all the credit. That dance move is crazy. Shout out to the Bronx. Well, no, I just think she's become a better performer quickly. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. No, she's going to figure it out.

Like if you don't remember, and I'm not comparing them by any means, because Ice Bice still has a lot more to prove. When Cardi first came out, she could not perform at all. Cardi's an incredible performance. I think she's a really, really good performance. She can understand every word, and Cardi B rapping, she puts together, of course, she is a creative director, puts together a real show at this point.

Yeah, no, she got a lot better. So give Ice Spice some time. She'll get all the SpongeBob characters on stage with a big shit. That'd be nice. The way Katie Perry did the shark thing. Oh, that's great. She'll have a whole bikini bottom. she'll come out of the pineapple eventually.

Just give her some time. But that comes with artist development because they aren't doing artist development anymore these days. And I think that we've spoken about that. Like you need to go and fucking rehearse and you need to practice your fucking breath control and we need to make sure that.

You know what I'm saying? Like we have to make you an artist, especially if you're going to be doing all of these festival stages. But they don't care about that anymore because it's go up there, twerk and walk away. You don't be fire if Ice Spice came out of the pineapple and then Kai came from under the rock.

and he was Patrick. I kind of love that. Wow. Who would be Squidward? It's a good question. Who would be Squidward? Who is the Ice Spice hater? Demaris.

Her and Milato aren't really getting wrong these days. Ice spice and Lotto are beefing? Not beef. And don't call Lotto Squidward. There's been some shit. There's been some little tip for tax. Yeah. Really?

I don't like to instigate what I'm so low. I never know what are anymore. Because women usually support each other. Yeah, it's so crazy. It's weird, huh? WMBA games be sold out. Y'all just said that Ross wanted Drake's shit off his, off Aston Martin music. Men don't support men other men either.

Y'all just fake dick ride. You got to see these nigs'clock to get a picture. Word. Yeah, fake dick ride. I don't support. Fake dick ride. No, they're really dick riding. It ain't fake.

Oh, shit. Nees and everything. Oh, God. You got to see him. Well, no, we don't have to see them. You got to see them. No, no. Have you been outside lately?

Oh, it's crazy out there. And I see women, I see the conspiracy women are trying to do with men supporting men. You try to shame us by calling him big bro. We can't even, if we're not the leader of the crew, we're the worst. Now, women, you guys are kind of like the government

and hip hop in that regard. You're trying to separate men from liking each other. I tell you all the time that men set the standard for what women will accept. Rory, I have been at... I've been trying to do that for years and it's not working. I have been at parties, yes it is. I have been at parties with Rory

and he'll see somebody dick riding and he'll go, ew, God. You're the number one. I don't even sound like that. Yeah, okay. You did dick ride them police? Yeah. That's crazy.

Cuff him. Nasty force. That precinct is crazy. What does the academy look like to the D.R. I don't want to go to those tombs at all. The DRP? No, but I'm a hater, though. I'm part of the conspiracy to stop men from supporting each other.

Man, when men be kicking bitches out the section to try to get next to other men in the section, both of y'all vimating your house. It's called unity. Unit Y, Y, Y, Y, Y, Y, Y, right. I don't know if Queen Latifah made a jazzy tune back in the day. That was amazing. She talked about that. And I'm an advocate of men need more big bros. Stop shaming men from having big bros.

They need guidance. No, you definitely need big bros. Women are trying to stop the big bro movement. No, we're trying to stop you from part of men. You don't know big bro when you see them. You don't know them. What's the heart? Oh, okay.

You don't know them. How are they your big bro? That's super weird. You're sucking mad dick, bro. Because they motivate me on IG. Hey. You take a picture. You know, me and big.

Me and big bro working, bro, you ran into him at the bathroom at Made in America. Like, you're not even, this isn't even your media pass. It's your homeboys media pass. And we discuss working. Wait, that really happens? Hell yeah. Men be meeting each other at the bathroom? Hell yeah.

Mall, go to your tagged photos. Everybody's like, ran into my big bro, mall. Like, that's all your photo. No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about meeting in the bathroom and then like, I mean, after you wash your hands. Exchange an info. That's sick, though.

I've been asked for pictures in the bathroom. No, I'm not, you miss it what I'm saying. I'm talking about meeting a man in the bathroom and exchanging. phone numbers. They're not exchanging phone numbers. They're just, yo, take a selfie. No, they're going over the urinal. Yo, yo, what's your IG? Putting the phone over the urinal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm terrified.

Yo, did you follow back yet? Oh, damn. That's sick. Mall. Yes. Sad day for you, buddy. Sad week for you. Sad week? Or is this is the beginning of a beautiful time? Oh, this is the beginning of, this is like when the movie starts.

It's like that slow, sad music playing. But then at the end of the movie, it's like a joyous, happy occasion. That's crazy. And life is great. You leave the theater like, yeah, that was a great film. President Donald Trump was arrested. I just don't see the correlation. He was arrested.

He was arrested. Where are you taking us on this film? No, look, you're going to see. He was arrested, what was that, Tuesday, Monday. He was arrested and arraigned Monday in a New York court. Smart guy. Everyone knows, never turn yourself in on a Friday. You went on a Monday.

You see a judge right away. Yeah, had the jet waiting left New York immediately after. He was arrested and he pled not guilty to 34 felony counts. 34 felony accounts is fucking crazy. Yeah, man. But he was indicted. So this is the first time that a former president was actually arrested. So it was a big day in Manhattan.

Traffic was fucking crazy. But I feel like this is a simulation. Once again, this is a movie we're all sitting in. and plan a part of whether we like it or not. I'm not making a Trump thing specific, but we should make this more of a thing, arresting presidents? Yeah.

Should we? I actually think it should be standard at the end of your term. You're not arrested per se, but you need to put on trial for the decisions you made. We need to go through your entire term. As president?

Yes. The way they do in corporate companies, you get your yearly review and all that shit, and then you need certain people to give their reviews. And let the people decide if you should be arrested. Or get a raise? Yeah. we need to do this with every single president because i also think presidents would be a little bit

more careful in the things they did had they have to stand there and be held accountable by everyone i was kind of disappointed when uh well julian and i were disappointed when he didn't have handcuffs put on him because we figured that would be one of the greatest yeah photos in history of america uh and i think it'd be even greater photo if uh if and when he wins the next election to go from handcuffs in a Manhattan courtroom to winning the presidency again. They missed a prime marketing opportunity. It would be the highest selling t-shirt, maybe of all time. Absolutely.

Because Democrats would buy it thinking like, oh, we got them. Trump locked in handcuffs and Republicans would buy it like, yeah, our guy. Our guy's hard. Look at them, stood tall. It's a bipartisan shirt. Look at Donnie Tintoes. We don't shiver. Donny Tintos.

Gotta call him Donny Tintos from now on. He's not snitching on nobody. You think? No. For what? Don he's not going to take the stand? Oh, man. He is kind of a big sinich. He said it's a big nothing. He's got Papa Adderall and hit that stand and he started to sing him. You ain't seen him at Marlago when he left New York?

His jaws all over the speech. Speech was beautiful. It's out on bail speech. Oh, yeah. Come on, man. He threw a party. Me and DeMaris watched it together. I can't lie. We were glued to the TV. You have to be. It's Donnie Tinto's. How can you not be glued to the TV? Platinum for speech? Yeah. That's his first. This is the rollout for.

his second album. You gotta be glued to this. This is entertained. This is what America is. One of the reasons why I love Donald Trump is because he is exactly what America is. A piece of shit. Exactly. A thief.

Exactly. This is a, what was the disc record to Drake supposed to be? This is America. This is America. Oh my God. This is what Childish Gambino was saying. He was talking about Trump. He was talking about Trump.

This is America. This is the guy. This is what America looks like. This is what America is based on. You know, and it's just, we have to wait and see now. It's going to be crazy when none of these charges stick. He's not going to be arrested. People think that people, there are people that really think Donald Trump is going to be arrested and thrown into a cell.

Well, he's been arrested. No, I mean, like, thrown into like, you know, people thought he was going to be, like, Monday, he was going to be putting handcuffs and put into a cell. Yeah, no. I'm like, y'all think that a former president is going to be put into a jail cell. That'd be hard. Into Jim Pop. It will not happen.

Well, if anything, it's mostly, I think they're just using this, uh, stormy Daniel thing as just the way the way cops like I smell weed in your car now we can search it even if they don't yeah this is just so they can open all his taxes yeah they just want to get into everything

that's all this is and I think there is a world and this could just be the marshmallow Democrat that I am marshmallow that there's a world where Trump could end up in one of those camp federal prisons that's you know they serve ice cream and shit like it's not really jail

tennis courts that's not yeah like wherever they sent fucking Jordan Belford. It's not happening. No way. And Martha Stewart, she did her. You're comparing Martha Stewart to Donald Trump. I'm just saying she went to a similar facility.

They both cut. They're about the same age. They're not the same though. This is Donald Trump, the former president. They both play in the sheets. They will not. They do that. They do do that.

It was also double entendre for KKK. But he won't. Nice. He will not, Donald Trump will not be put into a jail. It will not happen. You cannot put a former president into a prison cell. You can. You cannot.

Plenty of countries have done it. And I think it would be more of an icon to his followers if Trump was in a jail cell for a month. It won't. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. I think that this is all a fucking, this is just a distractus from what we're talking about, this is why this is America. We're talking about this. A president being indicted on 34 accounts for alleged hush money and funneling funds and all of this,

more than we are talking about kids that were killed in a school in Nashville, Tennessee. Well, he won't go to jail because if he goes to jail, it starts to snowball on both sides of who else needs to go to jail. Even Democrats at the level of office don't want Trump to go to jail. Because that opens up too much for everyone. It exposes everyone on that level. I think what they're hoping to do is that this will derail his bid for the next presidential election. That's all they're trying to. Which it won't.

I think that this only helps him. I think that this is officially his campaign. I think that they made a big mistake in doing this because, again, Again, this is the press that he probably didn't want, but it's press nonetheless. So he's going to turn it to something weird and at the end, people are going to vote for him. He was out of the headlines for a while. Yeah. So I think this just worked in his strong intro.

This is his 6-9 getting jumped in the LA Fitness bathroom. This is what this is. That's what it is? Yeah, it's the same thing. It's like it was kind of chilling, laying low a little bit. You don't think it's Shug bail and Pac-out? Nah. That speech wasn't California love?

Oh, that speech was definitely California. No, that speech was, that speech was Andre 3000 when he said, thank you. The Grammys said, just walked off. It was a thank you. It was like, yo, y'all just, this is my campaign now. All of the cameras are back on me. He was just trying to say the South has something to say. That's it.

That's all he was saying. The Red States have something to say. The Reds have something to say. This is Donald Trump's new campaign and this is what's going to get him back into the White House. I guarantee it. You think he's going to win. Absolutely.

There's no question he's going to win now. I said that before this. happen. I say, yo, if they indict this dude, they are helping him. They're going to help. This is helping him win his next presidential election, without a doubt, without a doubt. But I'm just, I'm scared. I don't have much to say besides I'm terrified. Of what? Just this next year? 2024. Oh my God. It's going to be the biggest circus on planet fucking earth. Would you vote for Biden again? Probably not. A lot of people feel that way. That's why I think he's going to win because a lot of people. I didn't say I was voting for Trump.

I know what you mean. And I know a vote against. No vote for Biden. No vote for Biden is a vote for Trump. Yeah. I understand your logic. I get it. I know I'm part of the problem.

But if it's Trump and Biden again, those are the two candidates at the end of all the primaries, I'm cool. You just not voting. Nope. But then if you don't vote for Biden, you're not supporting black people. But if you don't vote for Biden, you're not black. That's what Biden said. If you don't know for them, you're not black. Yeah, yeah.

I don't know. For the last three years, you guys, I have not been black. I don't know if you're not. Oh, I forgot. God, I'm sorry. I know I am part of the problem because I'm in that crucial swing state of New York. Super swing. I just don't think I'm going to vote.

And that's another thing why. The voting system is just the electoral votes is what matters. This shit is all, it's a bunch of nothing. It's like a fucking pyramid scheme at this point. You're going to get a house in a swing state? Me? Yeah. I would love to.

Throw some red in the mix. Oh, yeah. I would love to. Big American flag. I just, again, I just think that this is something that Trump didn't want, but now he's like, oh, they're helping me. Because that's all this is. This is press at the highest level. And this is all he needed and didn't want, but he needed this. We'll see. I don't know, ma'am. Jill Biden, though, she invited Iowa and LSU to the White House. First time I've ever heard Jill Biden speak. I just want to start saying, you know.

She invited them to the White House. Angel Reese went on social media and kind of laughed at the thought of that and said, we're not coming, period. and then people went on to ask, would Jill Biden have invited LSU if they had lost? As progressive as the Democratic Party claims to be, they really don't let women speak. I haven't heard from Kamala. I haven't heard from Jill. Kamala is in a silk press chair. Like, she'd be chilling. She don't want to speak.

Do you think she shows up to the Iowa and LSU party? Oh, the LSU, oh, she's going to be in there. You know her. This is kind of nuts. All right. Let's go with the obvious. if Iowa won are both teams being No. No. Come on, man. We know that. No, it's not. It's not happening. LSU would not have been invited if they didn't win. We know that. Like, that's why this is all just some dumb, stupid shit. Like, invite the team that won, period. Like, invite LSU. You don't have to invite Iowa. Like, why is Iowa being invited? And I love, shout out to Caitlin Clark, because she's been very, like, you know, outspoken about it. Like, listen, guys, like, why y'all doing this, turning this into this.

It's just women competing. We had a great time, great game, great tournament. We got a lot of eyes back on women's basketball, you know, but it's turning into something else now. Let LSU have the moment. They won. They should be invited. Like, Caitlin Clark has, she's been real classy throughout this whole thing.

I think she's, you know, been saying the right things and moving the right way. So shout out to her, because I don't want that to get lost. And speaking of things getting lost, let's have another quick Reddit segment. I know we had one on the last episode. I did see a great thread about our reality. action to Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese that because we said the media was outraged at itself for being racist, that was us defending Dave Portnett. Oh, yeah.

I read that. We said that we're trying so hard to get to Barstool that because we said the media's outraged at the media for being racist, that we are now defending Dave and we are trying our best to get in Dave's good graces to get on Barstool. No. And boy, was there a lot of replies saying, yep, I thought the same thing. Yeah, real smart people out there. I'm not saying we're the best at articulating shit,

but if you took that conversation is that, I don't really know what to tell you. But see, that's why I don't pay attention to shit like that. We were saying Caitlin Clark and injuries both have no issue with trash talking. Yeah. The media is outraged at the media, not at what's going on on the court.

Judge of the Reddit, though. I don't, no. Did you guys see Gillian Wallow's response? I did, and they caught a lot of flak. A lot of people felt like they was tap dancing because at the end of it, they said, Dave, we love you. that's a kind of crazy yeah no they did you know what i mean but um and they called the angel they

dave was out of line he was out of line for that tweet he was out of line like first of all calling a female athlete a classless piece of shit is is insane like you just that's just not you don't do that you don't call a woman a classless piece of shit even if even if even if the woman is being a classist you don't say it you don't post it on social media like just don't do that like That, so that was unnecessary. It was uncalled for. It was out of line. And for, very disrespectful.

For Dave to be a Patriots fan and at one point, a huge Kronk supporter, to call someone a classless piece of shit for pointing at their finger after winning the national championship. That's great. But also support Gronk on a regular season game is fucking insane. I think Dave does a lot of things for clickbait viral. He knows his audience. Yeah, he knows what he's doing. But that was out of line.

That was very disrespectful. It's just, again, you're talking about women. women at that. So to call a young woman, a collegiate athlete, a classless piece of shit, and you're a grown man. That's completely out of line for that. That's very disrespectful. But yeah, I did see Gilly and Wallow address it. I did see people not happy with their response and saying they kind of, you know, tap danced around it a little bit and, you know, whatever, whatever. But I understood what Gillian Wile was saying with that. It's like, do we hate Dave? Do we, you know, want to condemn him and we're not fucking with him no more? No.

But we do want him to know like, yo, you're out of line. You can tell your friend you're wrong. Yeah. And this is coming across as you only doing it to a black woman. Just letting you know, sir. Yeah, exactly. It's not coming across. That's what it is.

It's like when Snoop had words about Gail King in regards to her comments on Kobe. And Snoop went a little too, it was aggressive. I get it. Snoop had passed. I mean, excuse me. Kobe had passed away. People were still mourning and kind of heard about the passing. Gail King had her remarks about Kobe.

So yeah, everybody was because even I know huge Kobe fan. I was like, damn, girl, that was a little, you may have to bring that up about Kobe right now. We mourning the loss of him, his daughter and her friends and their family on the helicopter. Like it's a tragic event. And you bringing this negative thing up about that happened in Kobe's life. Just the wrong time for that. Snoop went a little too crazy. He went crazy.

Like he went crazy. Like he was calling us some things that he shouldn't of. And, you know, it was like, I get it. We all felt some type of way about what Gail King said. but you ain't have to go that far, you know what I mean? And that's kind of what Dave did with his remarks. You could say that, yo, you know, taunting and all of that is like, come on. Like, you know what I mean?

Like you didn't have to go that hard on Caitlin. Cool. But to say she's a classless piece of shit is like, bro, you, that's a little, you're going a little too far away. And that from my understanding, David, never commented on Caitlin who for the entire season was taunting players. Yeah. And again, and we talked about it.

Taunting is great. shout out to Yukon, the Yukon men's team. They won the national championship. And I was watching the game. And I said, this is exactly why you need taunting in sports. That game was very lacklust. It was very, like, the final buzzer went off. And it was like, it didn't even feel like they won the national championship.

I forgot that game happened. But this is what I'm, this is what I'm saying. This is why you need those type of things in sports. You need players to kind of go at each other. It's a show. To give it that edge, to give it that meaning, like, okay, they, really out here competing and they really just mean something. And I'm willing to bet that they talked to both of those teams before that game. The refs, listen, no taunting, no trash talking.

I know they did. I know that because you could just feel it didn't feel like it was a competitive game. It just felt like, all right, they just out here playing basketball. And then somebody won. It didn't feel like a national college championship game. So again, you need trash talking and you need taunting in sports. I think that that's part of the game. It's always been a part of the game. It's not. going away, no matter how many times you try to give a player a tech and kick a player out, players are going to compete and they're going to talk trash. Did Jill Biden apologize?

I feel like I saw a headline that said she apologized. For inviting Iowa? Yeah, inviting both teams. I mean, I wouldn't need, I don't even care if she didn't apply. I don't think she needs to apologize for inviting both teams. I think that it's just, it's laughable. It's like, it's not, you know, I don't think it's a disrespectful thing to invite both teams. I think it's something to laugh at like, huh, you wouldn't invite it, LSU if they lost.

It was more of let it out. She said because of good sportsmanship. And that was just kind of almost a stuff. Well, I get it. That's why I'm saying I don't think she needs to apologize. So she was making a joke in saying that playing off that there was not good sportsmanship. No, no, no. She wasn't making a joke.

She legitimately invited Iowa. She was being a typical old white woman. She was trying to show that, you know, let's bring both teams together in the mix of everybody trying to make it this disrespectful tone and thing. Let's show that there's good sportsmanship. I saw both teams played hard. Yeah. Like, but, you know, it's... Can you imagine all the teams that lost to the Patriots on a field goal on the last second?

They played hard too. Yeah, like, that's what I'm saying. They didn't get invited. That's what I'm saying. This is part of sports. This is part of competition. It's like when you give teams a trophy for losing. Yeah, participation trophy.

Like, what are you doing? Like, no, you don't get a trophy for that. You go hard in the game and you play hard so that you can get that trophy. If you lose, go in the locker room, get ready for next season. You'll have a great summer. like work out work on your game come back next year hopefully you're better team right but you don't get a participation award trophy and definitely don't get a participation a participation invite to the white house well is do we think ls u.sss.s.s. said they're not well angel reese says her team isn't

going angel reese she tweeted that uh we're not coming um but i do think that lSU will be at the white house i do think that they're going to go uh i can't see them not going i don't know if a team ever didn't go yeah to the way else the trump and administration mad teams. Yeah, a lot of teams. Like all teams. That was different because a lot of... Except the Clemson team.

I'm pretty sure the Clumson, because that's where the viral photo of the McDonald's. Yeah. Oh. Yeah, I can't, I can't see the LSU women's basketball team not going to the way else. Why can you not see them going? Because Angel has been like very adamant and we're not going. I mean, Angel might not go. That's my point.

Thank you. There's plenty of players that just have not going. Yeah, like, Angel, I don't think Angel will go. I can't see her going, especially after tweeting we're not coming. I can't see her. going, but I do think the LSU team will be there. I think that Angel is a leader on her team. And from what I've seen with her team,

the way, her relationship with her coach, and as a leader of her team, her team, they're a very close-knit team. If she's saying we not coming, not, I'm not coming. If she's saying we're not coming, I bet my billion dollars, my bottom dollar are not going. I mean, it's interesting. They're sending some players at that damn house.

I think so. I think, I think, I think they will be represented. it again, I don't, I'm pretty sure Angel's not going. But again, I just think, again, look what it turned into. Yeah. Like, angels should go because they won. You know what I mean? And it's part of it.

It's like, yo, you win, you go to the White House, meet the president, even if you don't like him or you don't like the First Lady, whatever, you go with your team, go to the White House, you know, you accept your, give the jersey to the First Lady or whatever or to the president. And, you know, you have a celebration as part of the whole, you know, winning the national title. But now it's turned into this. Now Angel reaches in a position where she has to tell the first lady, we're not coming because of the backlash that she got from taunting and being competitive.

That's really what it is. So it just turned into, again, a bunch of shit that it shouldn't have turned into. It took away from the fact that two great teams competed. And it was one of the best women's tournaments I've ever watched and definitely one of the best championship games. So, I mean, it just turned into something that it's shitting of and it's just stupid. And here we all talking about a bunch of shit we shouldn't even be talking about. But either way, shout out to Angel Ree.

Shout out to Caitlin Clark and their teams. What they did for women's, the women's tournament was dope. It's definitely elevated the tournament. I think they had more views than the men's game. They did. Because I don't know many people that watched the championship game for the men's game. So shout out to them for that alone. Would you go if we got invited to the Biden administration White House?

To go see Sleepy Joe? Me and you. No. You wouldn't go? No. Why not? Oh, I don't want to meet Joe Biden. I mean, people that have Alzheimer's are fun to be around.

Wow. Yeah, but. You tell all your secrets. I'll forget right away. Yeah. Ask you the same question or whatever. Get an ice cream call with him. You want to pinch my cheek.

Where are you from, son? I'm a grown fucking man. Get your hand off of me. You know old white men think everybody's a kid. It could be a grown man with a bit. Hey, how you doing, son? Get off of me. But I think, why do you have an Italian accent?

I don't know. I think that there's just been a lack of respect for presidents, period, Starting with like with Trump, I think that that became a whole thing where people don't care about going to the White House as much as they used to. Am I crazy for that? No, people don't care about a lot of shit that they used to. Now, they used to pull up to Obama's happy as hell. Yeah. Because he was black.

Yeah, that's fine. It's cool to meet the first black president. Hell yeah. That's pretty cool. But Donald Trump, you know, everybody, he's racist, he's this, he's that. Fuck him. I get it. And then nobody really likes Joe Biden.

Joe Biden doesn't even know you're there. He's sleep standing up. I know how that goes. Like, why am I here? This old man's falling asleep, standing at the podium. Yeah, I mean, sometimes you just don't want to visit your grandparents when it's not out. Yeah, I'm not going over there. Well, let's stay on something that also happened during the tournament.

During the women's final, a commercial, not a commercial, pardon me. Post went up on social media from a transgender social media influencer, Dylan Mulvaney, a sponsored post with Bud Light. And in the post, Dylan showing cans that have her, face on the cans. So immediately transgender transphobic people took to the mean streets of Twitter

and boycotted Anheiser Bush and all their products. Who is that? Who is that? This is an influencer in the LGBTQ plus community. Okay. So they saw an opportunity to get a partner, do some brand sponsorship stuff, custom cans,

all that stuff. And for tournament time, here's the caption here. But I thought the right hated cancel culture and boycotting products. I thought that was un-American. No, they were cutting up their fucking, what were they cutting up? The Nikes or something,

they were cutting up, their Adidas. What were they? Was it Nike? Adidas from Kanye made the remarks he made? I know they were cutting up Adidas, but they were cutting up. They always cut up. It was cut up the Ditas that nobody wears.

They wasn't cutting no Yeezys. I ain't seen no slides being cut up. I ain't seen none of that, them Yeezy hoodie being burned. Like y'all was burning a Indeed is performance wear. Like, nobody wears that. Why is this a big deal still?

Transgender, transphobia. Yes. We really like beer in America? People are, listen, man, again, and this is, I think that we get caught up because we are on social media. I think that we think that social media is like a real thing. And it's not. Like, you have a group of people that tweet things, that post things on social media, and we tend to think that this is what the world is feeling.

And it's not a real thing. Like, these are just a very, very small. cluster of people sprinkled on the internet that get upset about certain things and they tweet it out and they post pictures and post videos and we think that the entire world feels like this where there's 90% of the world that don't even know that that's even happening like it's just like this is just one of those moments we won't even be talking about this tomorrow mom if you think that there is a very small transphobic community there's a huge transphobic you are no i'm saying that cares about this bud light shit oh oh well this is i think this is like most

where it's acceptable to be ignorant and racist or transphobic or whatever just to hate someone, they're using Bud Light as a vehicle to show how they feel about another group. They can't just outwardly hate Dylan for being a trans woman. They have to hate Bud Light who now supports the people that they hate. So now it's like, oh shit, I have permission to shit on a brand and I can, that brand is now forever in my mind attached to the thing that I really fucking hate. Cool. So like we look at artists like this guy, this country singer Travis Tritt, who said, fuck, all Anheiser Bush products, take him off my tour hospitality rider. That 30 rack of Bud Light is really going to kill him.

And then we also get the video from Kid Rock of him loading up an AR and airing it out on like two cases of Bud Light. So it's just a vehicle for them to be comfortable enough to project hate on a product rather than the people. And you're talking about two men that literally I haven't seen Kit Rock before this video. I haven't seen anything Kid Rock. I don't know what he's doing. This is where Bud Light fucked up. And it's not hiring a trans influencer. I would assume the right would not know who the trans influencer is, right?

It looks just like a white woman. They should have put her on the can to see right wings response. Who's this hot white chick that's on the can? And then in a month, they go, transgender. You're gay. Slow roll out. Oh, my God. That's how Bud Light should have done this campaign.

They should have put that woman on there, not said she was trans, watched all these fucking tailgators at the fucking Eagles gang. Oh, who's this hot? Who's this hot white chick? I love that accent. Put the QR code. You're only fans on the can. Yeah, I'm brother.

And then like a month later during some really white sporting event or the country music awards, they do a fucking commercial where that woman comes on camera and is like, used to be a dude. Ah. Cut camera. That's a sick butt like commercial. Is that a better campaign? Nobody's going to stop drinking butt light.

Also, transgender people are not going to start drinking but like this is not, this is not, well, they own shelters. This is this is why this is just stupid because this isn't going to do anything. But Bud Light is still going to be selling and Ozabush is not going to lose any money behind this. This is just ignorance, a small group of ignorant people. They'll get over it. Being upset about stupid shit. This is what I mean by it really doesn't matter. Like people get upset and offended by shit and it's like, this isn't going to affect anything.

Like you being ignorant is not going to affect anything. Like, and Hiza Bush will be fine. But Light will still be selling at all of these events. Like, nobody cares. Like, nobody cares that you're offended by this dumb shit because you're ignorant. You're ignorant. If you're transphobic, that's just your ignorance. But you can't project your ignorance out and think that people are going to be like,

oh, yeah, I agree. Let's not drink Bud Light. What an interesting round from Bud Light. You're not so much ignorant as you are, just bored. Yeah. Go get a hobby. Yeah, like Kim Rock shooting his beers was definitely out of bored. It's funny because it's-

to purchase those beers. That goes back to when... And those bullets. Yeah, like, that goes back to when they used to purchase CDs and albums and bulldoze them. It's like, I don't care what you do with those CDs after you bought them. My second week numbers look great now. Yeah, like, I don't get by, actually, go buy all of my albums out of the store. And burn them.

And burn them. I don't care. Like, it's just stupid, ignorant shit. This is the crowd, too, that loves, you know, the football games, basketball. A lot of sporting event crowd. All those arenas only sell. and Heiser Bush products. So you're going to go to a game now.

They don't have contracts. You only got Bud Light. I'm not drinking. You're going to drink. You're an alcoholic. You hate your life. Drink the fucking beer. You're going to drink the beer.

And you're going to drink the can with the trans woman on it. I don't care. They're not even see the can because, you know, white people have loved those little, what is those? Cozy. Cozy. Oh, they love those. You know white people love those. You don't even see the can.

We should make them shotgun in it. So put the hole in. Like on her mouth. You know, like on her, I don't know if it's whatever the decision was made. Yeah. If it's there or not, but then shotgun it's like your, boom. You need, actually, that's a great, I think that's part of, add that to the campaign that I was suggesting.

It's like a shotgun case race. And on top of that, because Twitter, you know, Twitter, they allow, you can show whatever. If that transgender influencer did keep, you know, kept the equipment. Yeah. It would be funny a month later that on Twitter she actually pulls her dick out with the Bud Light camp just to show. Well, I can't, she just be on the can't. That's how she pierces it for the shock.

guns. I would hurt. She hooks her dick in it. Why can't she just be on the can? Why can't she just drink a butt like? I'm like, what the fuck is awesome? Like, I just, you got to pull it. I mean, don't drink my campaign is to prove that these transphobic racist guys are one dumb, two thinks she's a woman and would fuck her. Then a month later they find out that it's not who they thought it was.

You know what scares me? You're giving them too much credit. I think even if they knew it was a trans, they would fuck it. I mean, we've seen with that Republican, uh, Republican, uh, When they're blackout drunk on Bud Light? Yeah. It is. It's why it's like,

why are you, what are you mad at? You know what? I'm outraged that Bud Light cost $12 at a sporting event. I don't care. That's what I'm outraged. That's what I'm outraged.

That's, yeah. Like, y'all be paying $15 for a cup of beer. It better come with a transgender. You better sit that transgender gentleman man right here. What I'm like to you? You kidding me? Sit that trans lady right next to me at this game.

Are you kidding me? For $15? She better come pour this fucking. fucking beer. This is just more more bullshit, but that's okay. There's another controversy. It's not even

controversy. It's just the same people getting mad. RuPaul has an official doll at Build a Bear. That's cool. So you can imagine this Bud Light crowd also love that news because they're so invested in Build a Bear. They hate Well, they feel like, okay, so I'm not speaking for them, but I'm

speaking for them. You are. They feel like it's being forced in their faces. That's what they feel. The same way where they say they're talking about it in schools. It's on TVs and every shows. It's on their beer cans. Now it's in their build of bears. They feel like it's being forced on them.

You could also just not buy it. Black bears more enough. It's like me and Jebedah can't even go hunting anymore and go to Builder Bear after without the gaze in front of me. I can't get a buttlight and build a bear anymore, Cleetus. Full day of fishing. I got to go to Build a Bear and see this. That's actually really good.

This woke company. It's my real voice. This is not my real one. Maul read this quote. This whole company is trying to bring Satan into your homes. It's stuffing. That's a fire beer. I don't care what anyone's on you.

It's a teddy bear. I don't care. No, no. You're not doing it. Yeah, you know, that's Satan right there. That's not just a doll. That's Satan. What I will say.

Uh-oh. Does Rupawpaw have a huge child audience? I thought you were about to go somewhere else with that. I was about to like, ma'am, I don't know. A huge. Never seen it. I don't know what you're about to ask. No, but I'm saying, does Rup Paul have a huge child fucking audience?

I don't know that tweet. No, but that's why people are upset because they feel like this is, this is, this is something for children. And the fact that this is a grown, adult male. You know how many adults buy build a bears? Gina Smith says,

this is not good. When my son was little, we went to build a bear many times. It was so much fun. I sure wouldn't go now. Too bad. Group ball. I felt like RuPaul's probably pretty fun.

Yeah. Like, damn. I'm all funny than Gina Smith. Yeah. I mean, listen, I understand how some people could feel offended, but it's other things. Like I saw... It's a bear. It's a bear.

This is now, this is just whatever. I'm talking about like people being offended by things like I saw a clip where there were certain books that were in schools, like in elementary schools that had, it was like incest and a rape. So the Bible. The Bible, yeah. Well, yes. But there were some books that were available in these libraries that was like, how do we

not know that these books are in. shelves at our kids' schools in the library like with this type of language in it with these type of images. They don't even know how to use a library. Kids aren't reading. All right, but let's be honest when I was a child, I was reading when I was in elementary, a child called It. Does anybody remember that? Yes. Wow. Yeah,

wow. Yeah. Yeah, that was like required fucking reading and that was not. And that child was abused. Yeah. Like, we're not. Also, we were reading like Harry Potter books and shit. There was all types of world. Or Huckleberry Finn. Yeah. Shakespeare shit that was required in school. Yeah. Of Mous. I'm

Simon. There was all types of violent, horrible shit that we were reading as kids. Right. Animal farm. Metaphor. Exactly. Do you remember what they called Jim? I've thus forgot what they called Jim. Ma. No, I didn't read that shit. Oh, okay. Good. Maybe it's better that way. They got really specific in explaining Jim in a weird way. Yeah. Huckleberry called them N-word Jim. Nigger Jim? Yeah.

I think it was capitalized in the book. Yeah. Just the E and the R. Rory showed our word. I was like, I will not read this. Roy put it down, chapter one. It's like a mad lid. You get to fill in the blank.

It's like blank gym. Roy's like, nope, not me. My good old pal Jim. My little pal Jim. My close friend Jim. Buddy Jim. That's family Jim. That's family gym.

I would self-ed it like I do with Rapley. There you go. There you go. You have to self-editing is a good thing. Self-editing is what people need to do before they go on social media and tweet shit. I don't even think I read Huckleberry Finn. I definitely didn't, but I know that much. I mean, listen, the Ken doll doesn't have a dick.

So when were they not outraged then? That's a great point. And then if you had a dick, that would have been weird. So it's dolls. Yeah, they're bears. But this is also for adults, y'all. But. Beastiality.

That's the thing. Like, out of all the people in the world, Ruponport. has a teddy bear and Rupal is not he's not for children like he's for adults so that's that's the point that I kind of understand like okay well what the fuck is the point so I can't be mad when it seems like you guys are forced this in our faces because like this is forced to me this is forced is our teddy bears only for children not have other characters yeah they do I'm sure they do and I'm sure there are people that children know who the fuck they are yeah but this is for adults I'm sure Rupal has children fans but he's not a children's entertainer

Yeah, also, yeah, to Edens' point, not all Bilderberg is marketed for children. They become collectors' items. People, a lot of adults. Grown adults collect action figures all the time. And it's a big Valentine's Day thing. This is a limited release, too. So it is, they're like trying to create a novelty behind it. Yeah.

Do you think that they are double standards in being gay? Yes. Wait, what? You're saying between men and men versus women? Oh, yeah. 100%. Yes. You just said that men can't be bisexual, so.

But women are also super homophobic because you guys shame us. you call us gay when we're not as an insult I've always said he's gay sorry where do you think that insult came from you being gay no men oh

to marry specifically yeah she started that came from fucking men yeah no I just thought that that was interesting sorry sorry and I think double standards are healthy but 100% there's definitely double standards

that's just the world for sure well like like what like what double standards are healthy is that what you're going to Well, I mean, like if a guy, this is why it's crazy because if a guy has a sexual experience with a guy, just one time in his life and never does it again. He's still gay forever. But you, like, we've had this conversation before and you said that.

And we all said like, no, I don't know. And he was like, nah, that's big gay. Yeah, you did say that. I think so. You're like, you might as well have that experience in Bilderberg. And I'm still saying it. So if a girl has fucked a girl, you don't think that she's big gay forever. swag.

No. No. She's ill. In fact, in fact, she's ill. But his, he's, she's great. She's a great time. She's way cooler now. Actually, what's her number?

Let's hang out. But like, if a woman knows, like, Demaris, if you know, if you have a friend, a guy friend, and you know that he had sex, he had a sexual experience with a guy before. And he didn't like it. Well, say he hated it. Okay. Sure. You can never not see him sucking a guy's dick.

I've heard plenty of women say that they could never deal or date like really being in a relationship with a guy that was either bisexual or had male experiences. Oh no. Don't ask me. No, I'm asking you. No, I'm asking you. You all need a manned women and women. Let me ask you. Can you, can you date a guy that had sex with one guy in his life?

No, I cannot. Why not? Okay. Because I just, I am extremely like, I'm bad. I am toxic with the way I think about men and women. Like, so I am not the person to ask, but I know plenty of women who do date bisexual men. But you set the standard. That's the point.

You speak for all women. Well, no, not just Demaris, too. There's an example that Roy and I were speaking about yesterday. My good friend who you both met in Houston, who's been here, was seeing someone who came out. You met her to Demarest. Yeah. As by. He confided in her.

He said, hey, I really like you. I want to date you. But I also would like to experiment with men. I think I'm like attracted to both. And she was like, fuck that now. No man has ever said to a woman, you like. woman get away from me oh wait hold on now hold on as the bisexual woman it's never happened no ask no let me tell you something not even easy y'all are very very wrong about that it is common

it is common not for real i'm telling you as a bisexual woman woman yes there are i have had men who left me over that shit a lot of men who are just because you're fucking mad bitches no a lot of men You don't like that. I've had men straight tell me, I've had men straight tell me I don't like that gay shit. I believe it. I swear to get. There are more than you would think. I feel like that some insecure shit.

That's great to say. You know why they don't like that gay shit? Yeah. Because they're gay. That's how, wait, that's not what I said. They're gay. That's not what I said. Any man that doesn't like a woman that likes women, you're gay, gay.

The original point was women create that double standard. They do. Yeah, for sure. Because like I said, a woman if a guy, If a guy has a sexual experience With one guy Say it happened 15 years ago on Spring Break in Fort Lauderdale

I don't know That's very specific I mean I figured A guy would have a gay experience I feel like a guy would have a gay experience On Spring Break Like you know how white boys get drunk We just saw Diplow say he

On Tori's drunk Oh yeah he Yeah it's like wherever the party is at It might happen with a guy I feel like there's enough women at spring break Like he wanted to do that I'm with you And he's Diplow

So let's just say it happened one time Damarisa said she cannot be with a guy that had a sexual experience with another guy. Sure. Shaming and I'm just saying, and I'm not saying you're wrong, DeMas. I do know some guys that I'm saying, I think you're speaking to like girls that date women all the time type of thing with guys like, nah, I ain't really into that. I'm talking about if you just had a sex experience with one of your home girls one night, you tell your boyfriend that he's not leaving you.

I literally got left for that exact thing. No, no, no, no, no. But I'm trying to tell you that it happens. You're a vibe. My first sexual experience with a woman, my boyfriend broke up with me when he found out about it. How old are you? I was 18 years old.

Yeah, but how old was he? He was 25. Jesus. I'm telling you, 24. What a door. I'm telling you that there are men who, especially older men, do not like that gay shit. They don't like, like, there's plenty of them.

Sure, the majority, yes, think it's cute, right? But a lot of them do not like that gay shit. You think it's because he tried to beat as well? but he couldn't and he found out that you did he don't even know that he never trying to get a threesome off of you he never met her and no hmm no no america is saying she'll date him but he doesn't deserve a build-a-bear that's all leave it out of the mall but i just feel like men set that standard because women will accept a bisexual before men will accept a bisexual man before men will accept a bisexual i say otherwise women will say that wait so so women will accept that a man could be bisexual before men will accept that a man can be bisexual

I think he actually goes hand in and hand. Yeah, but you just don't think he has the right to vote. But you'll accept it. And then y'all don't even accept it, though. Look at the rhetoric you start. Like, y'all don't even accept it, though. But y'all will accept it before. No, we'll accept it.

We'll accept that you can be bisexual. We won't accept that a man can be bisexual. We all do. Maul is only one that so that man can be bisexual. D'Amic being bi, but also bifobic is fucking high. I'm not bifobic. That's a lot. I'm not bifobic.

I'm not bifobic. Now you know how you homophobic. I don't call you homophobic. I said that you're not homophobic. I'm definitely. But I just, the same way that I don't think that if you won't date a trans person, you're not transphobic, but you can be unattract. You can have preferences.

Yeah, you can have preferences. And I think that's where the world has gotten lost where they started feeling like we can't have preferences. You can have a preference. It's okay to have a preference. Yeah. I don't like chicken. Or Bud Light. I don't like fish. I don't like Bud Light.

I don't like this. But now I'm not saying I don't like Bud Light because y'all put a trans sexual woman on the can. That's what I was saying. I'm more of a guy. I'm all over Stella type of guy. You know what I'm? Also owned by Anheiser Bush. Yeah, but I like the Stella is what I'm saying.

So you like trends? Well, no, that's not what I'm saying. I don't dislike them, but that's not what I'm saying. What if Stella does a campaign with a transgender and it's called Stella got her dick back? Ah, wait. That's a hard. I'm smoking. You know he used to be in advertising, so.

Yeah, there you go. Oh, man. Well, listen, man. Thank you for another episode, guys. It's been great on this audio cluster fuck of a journey that we've been on today. Next episode, we're getting into this cash app founder. being stabbed to death. Rest in peace to Bob Lee,

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