New Rory & MAL - Episode 17 | “Bi-Coastal”

Episode Date: November 9, 2021

Rory & Mal start off on a random note per usual, and then settle into a conversation regarding the tragedy that occurred at the AstroWorld Festival (9:16), and the discussion going on social media right now about who should be held responsible. Of course, Mal couldn’t wait to talk on the long-awaited release of Summer Walker’s new album ‘Still Over It’ (16:58), and this leads into a mini therapy session about how your own childhood family trauma could affect the family you create (25:10), as well as how it could be thrown in your face later, which Rory speaks on being one of his triggers (39:30). Mal gets into his own tendencies to detach from the world socially and how it affects his personal life (40:30), and then gets Justice on the phone to defend himself against the Summer Walker contract rumors (47:22). They eventually get to Kanye’s Drink Champs interview (50:50), and congratulate N.O.R.E. on such a huge moment, for both hip-hop and podcasting + more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Have you ever rolled before? Actually, see, no. Molly, took Molly once. What were you like on, Molly? Very talkative. Interesting. They're very talkative. Maybe we should give you something for an episode.

Mm-mm. You wouldn't like what I'll have to say. I think it'd be great. Did you fuck on Molly? I couldn't. That's why I never took it again. Had a bad. There was no blood flowing to the lower region.

Really? Yeah. I'm extra horny on Molly. But it was cool, though, because she knew I was on Molly. And she waited. She spent the night and then, you know, in the morning when that she started to weigh off, I proceeded to blitz. How did you feel when you had erectile dysfunction?

We laughed. It was funny. Did she hold you? No. I would need to be held. We laughed. She'd have to let me know it's okay. No, we just laughed. I would lay in her bosom.

We laughed and we was talking about everything else other than sex. Like, it was just, it was like a weird morning because it was like six in the morning. Okay. We had fun though. Good times. Streets are telling me that you and Jamaris got pressed at the emotional oranges show. No. That's what the street said.

Pressed? Pressed? No. Wasn't no pressed. You got pressed at an emotional oranges show. It's very emotional. It was emotional time for everybody that was there. So that is untrue.

That's untrue. Come on. Me? Getting pressed? I mean, that's not what they're saying. It looked like a press. From what I heard, this is just from what I heard. No.

You were with an alleged woman. A friend of mine. Of course, just a friend. Two friends of mine. There's two of them actually. And then you went up and hug Demeris. And then one of the women that you were with say, yo, who is that? See, you see when you put the tone on that?

You see how quick that changes? It wasn't. It wasn't that at all. It was just a, it was like, who is that? Like, who's that? I was like, that's Damaris. Has a woman ever asked who is that in a very passive way of not? Yes.

I've had it in an aggressive way as well. And that's why I know the difference that wasn't the aggression. When does a woman really want to know who that is in a passive way? She's asking, yeah, who is that bitch? And why are you hugging her like that? No, that's not. Well, yes. If it was that energy, I could recognize that.

But it wasn't that. Demaris, can you explain the hug? was the hug? I did put my arms up. Over two seconds. Oh, you were excited. No. Ah.

I'm never excited to see Mall. That's what happens. See, why? See, I come here peaceful. See, this is the type of shit I get. Do women do that on purpose? I hate when I'm with a chick. And I see another chick and she does like the overly happy to see me.

She never does that. And now I'm with this chick. And now you make it look like. If the marriage did that, she would literally, it's because she knows she would be causing me some type of trouble. But she, no, it wasn't like that. She wasn't like, Molly. No. Molly.

First of all, if Demaris ever called me Molly, I would look at her like first of when you're on Molly? No. Molly Molly, Molly? Yeah. Molly Mall. Well, it was a great night, though. Emotional Orange.

So how did you explain who DeMaris was? I said that's all. She works with us. No, he called me an assistant. An assistant. He said, that's my assistant. Oh, had a boss up on him. I never said to show, shorthy.

That's definitely not what I said. That's definitely not what I said. One of? Yeah. I got many. Niggas love to sound busy. Y'all is one of my, how many do you have, sir?

I'm bi-coastal. Yeah, no. Everybody buy coastal. I've never seen their cribs on the other coast. Just because we got to talk about that. Just because you fly somewhere a few times. Yeah, you're not bi-coastal if you just go there and come back in a week. Like, that doesn't make you buy-coastal.

I think bi-coastal is the number one New Year's resolution that never gets done. I know people that, yeah, I think this is the year I'm going to do the bi-coastal thing. I don't know anybody that's bachocastern that I think about it. I don't think I know anybody. People just move. You know rich people, so I don't know. People just move. I know people that are like, Jersey and New York.

That's the same coast. Nah, it's different coast of the Hudson. Jersey and New York. Yeah. I did that. Oh, you buy coastal, yeah. I was in Queens and Jersey City. You was a boath.

Yeah, I was Tribeboro. I get it. No, you was definitely by. You was by coastal. That was RFK. Nobody's ever by coastal. Like, people just move. I think people like the idea of being by coastal.

We talked about being. in by Coastal. Yeah. I think we might actually make it happen, though. Well. I think we could. I think we should just stop saying the word buy on a podcast because. Yo.

I mean, get the numbers. Only if you mean it. Right? Listen, everyone should live the lifestyle they want to live. Absolutely. In the words of Ray J. And Gloria Carter, love whoever you want to love, be whoever you want to be. That's a fact.

I agree. That's really it. Should we jump right into the nonsense? How was your weekend? We can get there. The weekend was cool. I went to the Knit game last night. They got their ass just kicked.

Were your feet on wood? Not on the wood, but like right behind the wood, pause. Where the side chicks, you were in that section. There was some, yeah, they were sprinkled around. I recognized the few of them. Who are you doing here at the garden on the Sunday? It's weird. Someone got traded from the heat.

I used to see in Miami all the time. It's weird that you're in New York now. Didn't work out. Going to the next one. Yeah, they let Ricky Rubio coming in and give them 40. I was laughing my ass off because I didn't even know Ricky Rubio was still in the league. So that was a hell of a way to find out. But yeah, I went to the net game Sunday, Saturday, watched the Canello fight at the crib.

Me and the homie, me and Dre. That was it, man. My weekend was pretty chill, pretty quiet. I feel like I saw you. Did we do something this weekend? When was the All the Decision Show? Was that a Friday? That was a Thursday, I think

Okay, so Thursday But that's like out weekend So yeah I never do shit I went to the heart of they fall It wasn't really a premiere Because the movie was already out Yeah

They did like a jam session This shit was pretty cool How was it? It was cool I figured I would see you there Because it was a lot of A lot of Rockefeller alumni In the building

Yeah, I was gonna go But then You know, I get deterred And I get like Turned off quickly When I start hearing And you gotta take You gotta take a COVID test

And then you gotta wait Over here for 30 minutes To get it And then you got to be Dress like black excellence and it's like your family I just want to go to a party and just have a great time like don't tell me all things that I got to do some people dressed up somewhere and I will say I saw the videos it wasn't black excellence the there was some whites in the crowd there was some white excellence in

there's black excellence in Roy for sure for sure for sure absolutely well at least the COVID test was open bar so you had 30 minutes to sit oh and drink just get hammered yeah exactly to see if I have COVID or not but it was cool okay it was cool um I think the film is great I saw some movie was really good saw someone tweet Quentin Tarantino must be shaking right now that a black Western was created without using the N-word in every sentence. Yeah, and it was an interesting twist on it because they even played to that. I don't want to spoil it if anybody didn't see it, but when the guy was about to say the word and then Regina King did what she did. Yeah.

It was kind of like, all right, I see what this is going. Like, we're not even playing that. We're not depicting that in this movie. Movie was good. I really enjoyed it. I think it was a really good movie. What do black people feel about Quentin Tarantino? I don't know what black people.

people feel. I mean, I think black people like a lot of his films. I love his films. He sure does like that word a lot. He's really into that word. With the hard he are. Yeah. I mean, if you could hide behind the art when you want to just get it off, like he can't say it casually. So he has to hide it behind the arts. And you know, it's right there in the script. No, yeah, yeah. But I mean, it's new hidden. You know he reads the scripts out loud. Yeah. Like, yo, cut, you didn't say nigger right. Like you got to lean into it, all right? Yeah, you know, I get. I get. You. I get it. You know, I get. You know. I get. You know. I Did you ever see him on 106 and Park? I remember it, but I don't remember. It's quite possibly the funniest video. If you can find it on YouTube, I forgot.

I remember him being on 106 and Park. I forgot what a movie was. It was with him, Samuel Jackson. I think Jamie Fox was on there too. I forgot. All I know is he. Django? That was 16 and 4?

848? Maybe that. I feel like that was all after. It's the Quentin movie where they used the N-Ward. Okay. Yeah. Hundreds of them. Kill Bill.

He completely like changed his tone and, like, Like he really blacked it up, like, how he was talking. And it is quite possibly the funniest thing in the world. I remember him being on that, but I can't remember that episode. It was like trying to talk like a rapper. And it's very awkward. I feel like years later, people bought it back on the internet and started making fun of it again. Yeah.

Well, that was a side note. But it was a good movie, though. If you haven't seen The Hard Day Falls, it's a good movie. I recommend you watch it. It's a matter. It reminded me if I don't know if you remember that movie Posse. It kind of felt like that a little bit with Mario Van Peebles. but it didn't have the racial undertone in it.

So that's why I like the harder they fall because it kind of removed that and just got straight to just, you know, black people were always strong, prominent business owners and stuff like that. So I like that. I like that depiction of it. I like that.

Oh, it sounds like critical race theory. Yeah. Something like that, yeah. The world is fucking crazy. Yeah, I mean, more crazy shit has happened. It seems like every week, It's more and more crazy, crazy shit happening. And this week was more crazy shit happened like we expected it.

Do you want to get right to Astro World? Yeah, let's get to it, man. Let's talk about it. First of all, rest and peace, prayers and condolences to anybody that was affected, anybody that lost a loved one, you know, pray. It's a tragic situation first and foremost. 100%. You never want to leave home to go somewhere and have fun and lose your life.

Especially young kids. Yeah, so prayers and condolences to all of the victims. all of the families, and anybody that had to witness that because that's traumatizing as well. Oh, absolutely. Of course, the internet, interneted when it happens, somebody has to be to blame. Yeah. And I guess overall, because it is Travis Scott's festival, there is some blame on him. Well, yeah, it's the same.

It's the same, you know how it goes. If you're a celebrity and, you know, we get into a fight, they're going to say, oh, so-and-so had a fight. You could not throw one punch. Yeah. But they're going to say, oh, yo, they just had a fight with so-and-so. It's like, but he wasn't involved in a fight. He was just there. So, I mean, mostly how festivals do go.

Travis Scott did not put that festival together by himself. They hire third parties. And you kind of put your faith in that the third party will do their job. And I don't know what production company they hired. The lack of security, obviously, is a problem. The lack of ambulances and paramedics was definitely the problem. I can't see where this is really. because that clip of Travis singing when the body was,

which was a terrible video to watch, but do people realize that artists can't really see in the crowd like that with a lot of the lights? They can't hear shit. They can't see. They can't hear stuff, especially when you're at the size of that festival and you just see a sea of people.

It could be hard to kind of tell what's going on. You see commotion. And there's videos popping up of Travis saying, yo, somebody passed out, let the ambulance get through. You know, he stopped the show. So, I mean, you know, the internet is going to find videos and chop them to create these narratives. But I think they need to rethink festivals, period. Even with the lack of security, there could have been a bunch of security.

That still doesn't change the fact of how hard it would for paramedics to get over there. That looked no different than any festival I've been to, especially when that Travis Scott is performing at. Festivals are very fucking unsafe. If they allow Travis to do another AstroWorld next year, I think they're going to take it back inside the arena. We have seats and you can kind of limit. the number of people to a, you know, a reasonable amount because 50, 60,000 people I think they were saying was out there. I think more than that.

Yeah, that's, that's, it's hard to control that many people at one time. Well, I mean, what, what they're saying alleged happened is very fucking interesting and weird to say the least, because again, I thought people were trampled. They're suggesting someone planned an attack to inject people with something? Yeah, people are saying that a lot of the symptoms of people, passing out and things like that are symptoms of like cardiac arrest and, you know, reading things, just reading things online. I'm not saying any of this is true.

I'm hearing that it may have been fentanyl overdoses. Kids were on pills. Some of the pills may have been laced. I'm hearing reports of somebody running around with a syringe and injecting people with shit. And the officer said somebody injected him. I saw that, yeah. With a needle.

I don't know. I mean, again, it's all kind of reports going around. I was all kind of people uploading stuff to the internet with theories and things like that. But the bottom line is lives were lost. Yeah. And it's unfortunate. And I mean, to some degree, too, of what the perception probably was of the staff. Mm-hmm.

Festival, culture, if you will, because I know we put culture at the end of everything. We're talking about bad shit now. Mm-hmm. Is kids passing out and kids taking too much drugs? Like, every festival I've been to, there's always been a young passed-out kid that's probably not even really. being attentive to it all. And you have to think a lot of kids are scared of repercussions.

So they'll sit with their passed out friend just so they don't get in trouble. Like, I see that at a festival all the time. Yeah, that's what they were saying with the fentanyl with the pills. They're saying that it may have been a group and they all may have taken some pills

and they're probably laced with fentanyl not knowing, you know, accidental overdose. Yeah. And, you know, I hope that's not the case because that's, that's just like, you know, super, super fucked up. But again, you know, still, anyway, whatever happened, lives were lost. Yeah. And that's what we know. And, you know, it's unfortunate.

But again, I don't think it's fair for people in the internet to come down on Travis and like it's his fault. I don't see where he's the guy to blame for this. Maybe, you know, for not having a safe enough space, you know, maybe. But still, again, lives being lost. You can't put that on Travis. I don't think that's fair to do. Yeah, because I don't think he sits there. And maybe he should.

Maybe this is the difference between having artists throw festivals and companies like Live Nation doing it. Because they kind of, yeah, your name is on this. This is yours. You kind of do have to cross T's and dot the eyes and say, all right, well, is there enough security? But I know that's not, Travis is an artist. He was, the only thing he was concerned about was putting on that show and he thought he delegated everything else. But even if you have more security, I don't see where more security would have

helped in the instance of a stampede and people rushing and pushing forward and trying to get like, I see security getting trampled in that situation as well. I suppose they could get paramedics or people places faster than anyone. I think the only way to do that effectively is you have to break up the group. Like you have to kind of make like pods. And sections of shit. It's only 5,000 people here, 5,000 people here. 5,000 people here, 2,000 people here.

You know what I mean? You got to kind of, to me, that would be the only way to kind of, like, ease that crowd from being able to just push and rush people at the same time. I think that's the only way. But having more security in the mix of that, I don't see what that would have helped. Yeah, and it's just even more unfortunate of everyone so happy that festivals are back and people can go outside and then some shit like this happens. And it's like, damn, now we're, we were terrified.

we stayed inside. Now we're going outside and now we've got to be terrified again because we don't know what the fuck people are doing with drugs and with syringes now running around. I mean, I hope that's not true. You know what I mean? I hope that that's not the case. There was only one confirmed case of somebody who said they got stabbed with a needle. Everybody else

they're saying that because everyone was pushing to the front, it caused people to not be able to breathe. Okay. And that's where the cardiac arrest was coming from. And then once you see people dropping to the ground, other people got nervous, panic attacks, things like that, which can help with the cardiac arrest. And they said that Travis Scott stopped the show once, but then he started again. Yeah, he can't see.

It's impossible for him to see all of that that was going on. And I'm telling you. On that stage and all of those people. They needed more eyes on the ground. That's one more security could come in because they needed more eyes on the ground so that they knew just how serious it was. The artist is not looking into the crowd for safety reasons. I'm sorry. They're focused on the show.

Yeah. And again, back to festival culture. If an artist had to stop a show anytime a kid passed out, and I'm not downplaying it. I'm just telling you what happens in festivals. There would be no festivals. Bottom line, praise to and the condolences to the families and the victims that were involved. It's a tragic situation. And, yeah, man.

Yeah, it's terrible. Rest and peace. Get to some more lighter stuff. I know we started out heavy there. My apologies. Did you talk to Summer? No, I didn't. I didn't speak to summer.

Did you, did you give her a little Hey, big head sex? I, no, I spoke to her. Hey, stink, stink. No, I spoke to her in my head. Okay.

I cursed London out all weekend. Yeah. You picture you walking around your house like, fuck London. Yeah, I can't believe he did that, man. Like, you know, it's just, it's like, damn, man. Like, how could you,

the entire pregnancy you left her alone, like by herself? Like, and it doesn't matter if it's true or not. Look at you dirty neck. You're dirty neck for something. Wow. I'm just going by with the lyrics that we received, right? I'm saying, I'm just saying, like, this is what the woman is telling us happen.

So I'm saying I've been listening to the album all weekend, and it's like the more and more I listen. I'm just looking at London like, damn, I thought you was a good guy, man, what happened? Like, how did you? You thought that's what you thought? I thought he was a good guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, anytime I see him on Instagram with her, they look happy. They look like.

Goals, right? Look like he was doing a right thing. He was a stand-up guy and come to find out, it was all bullshit. We haven't heard his side yet. Here's like, that's what, that's what's fucked up about when you deal the artist. Like, you'll never hear it. Yeah. We have never heard Tyrone's side to.

No. Never will. It doesn't even matter. Hey, first of all, Tyrone wasn't even the guy. He was just the friend. He just got thrown into it. Yeah. Forever he's thrown into it like your family.

I was just going to pick the homie up, like an album. Whoever Erica was talking about on Colin Tyrone, we never got his side. We don't know. We just took it, you know. Yeah. Wouldn't take it to the Wu Tang show. Right. what if what if he couldn't get tickets you got to step his shit up that's what if he's

something to do that man oh no i want to hear london side London this is an open invite to this podcast we need to air yourself we need to stand up for men we don't know what she was putting you through yeah and what forced you to have to leave and go back to all three of your baby mothers you know sometimes you got to read the room so sometimes you got to read the room man it's like this nigga got three three i mean someone went into it though yeah but he He got three though. He has four. Summer's four.

But I'm saying that that's a powerful number. I'm saying Summer was supposed to read the room. There's like seven songs called four. You didn't know she was the fourth. But three. Like my thing is at some point the nigger is just who he is, man. Like you got three baby mothers. All of them is beefing with him.

Like you gotta know like this, Nick, he just ain't shit. Well, that's what I kind of appreciated. The album did start out with her defending London. Against all the baby mothers. It did. Good. I'm like, I started with Cardi. I didn't even know Cardi like kind of A&R the project, by the way. Like, we just got that. Like, she told someone what to do. Like, yo, listen, just make a record. Tell them bitches you got money. Yeah. And fuck them. It was like, she's a fucking genius. Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh. There's a reason Cardi B is Cardi B is Cardi. Yeah. I was like, this is all of carty's doing. She's doing it. She's doing it. All of those things unfold. But that was, you know, because you can, you can, we can go back and read that timeline with someone. Like, when she was getting into it with the baby mother and all that. We saw all of that, all of those things unfold. So it was dope to see that. And then as the album goes on, it's like,

nah, but it's you, though, fam. Like, you ain't shit. You know what I mean? Like, that's where she ended. And then she ended with a prayer for him. We were a prayer for him. We were praying for ourselves. Yeah, but we got to get into the prayer, too, because.

Demaris, give us the whole prayer. I know you memorized it. I know you memorized it. I know you memorized it. No, but the prayer don't work for side chicks, though. I think I think I need side chicks to understand that. See, that's the thing. See, you got to do the work.

You can't just pray. You got to do the work, too. God helps those who help themselves. Exactly. So you can't be a side and be like a home record. What if she don't know she's a side? They'd be knowing they sides. And first of all, why are side chicks homewarkers?

They're home helpers. Some. Some. Some. They're not home helpers. I never met a happy man that didn't have a side chick. Like, they can keep your house together. A happy man that didn't have a side chick.

I have seen relationships work better when the man was cheating. And then when he stopped, that's when the, The shit really hit the fan. Like, they are not home records. They're home helpers. They take so much stress so you can be a better boyfriend or husband. Side chicks can be home helpers if they're honest with themselves being side chicks. Side chicks that are not honest with themselves and think that they have a chance of being the main chick, they can destroy your home.

Are you suggesting someone was a side chick in this? No, she wasn't a side chick. I'm suggesting that she really loved and cared about her baby. father at one point and was trying to do everything she could to help him become a better person and it just didn't work out and he didn't he he didn't want to do the work he didn't want to work on himself that's just what she's suggesting i don't know this gentleman i'm not trying to say it's true i'm just saying these were her words i'm listening to the album listening to the lyrics and it sounds like you know she was trying to help him she was holding him down like she said i was there for you

you know but you to me i was just a come up for you i was just for clout But we got to stop with this hold me down thing. I hate when she's say that. No, no, no, no. I'm not going to let you do that. You got to let me know what hold it. Tell me how you held it down. Tell me how you held it down.

I know women that are holding niggas down. I agree. And like in a real way. It exists. I'm not saying it doesn't. Paying for like haircuts. Like paying your card note. Like, like I know women that are really doing that for niggis that you would think on

Instagram that are really like niggas that you might think are popping and then not. It's like fam, you live with Shorty and she's paying like all the bills. on the own. Okay, well, do you think financially summer needed to hold London on the track down? I'm not saying financially. No, I'm not, I don't think it was a I don't think she ever alluded to so much financial. I think it was more so like she knew that he had his issues and that she was trying to love him and like really like help him

grow and be a more mature person. I think that's what she was alluding to. Like I was just trying to show you that. Because it's such an open end of thing. And being, having a family is cool. Like that's cool shit. running around. He got three families.

Fucking a bunch of. Yeah. But it didn't work out. She didn't have a family yet. Yeah, but it didn't work out. She was trying to have a family with him. And he still was in a place where he just wanted to run around. Again, I'm not, I don't know.

I don't know London personally. Yo, her saying at that end, you're trying to compete with Thug was one of the funniest bars I ever heard my last. This is what I'm saying. So this is the shit we're hearing. And I'm just like, damn, really? Like, that's what was going on? Well, all right.

Let's not judge London because he has four children. We have to judge him. Okay. The album is great. This is what it is for. How many times have you not an interstate role? Yo. Well, she was on birth control if I did.

Hey, listen. The way we judge guys with a lot of kids while we fuck women raw and just because we have better luck. No, no, no. It's not. Doesn't make them shittier people. How they handle their kids makes them a shitty person. Okay, there you go. But creating, like we always say, we always shit on people with a lot of kids like,

damn, why would you bring this type of- type of-old. It's not the number of kids. It's the relationships. It's the relationships. you have with the women. You understand? Like, if it's like drama with all three,

you don't see the kids, you don't take care of the kids, it's like, it's like, it's like, all of these situations, like all of these issues with women. Have you ever had raw sex? That's just weird.

Would you ever have a bunch of issues with women? That's weird to me. You said what? Have you ever had raw sex with a woman that you wouldn't consider to probably be a good mother?

Oh, God. Yeah. Okay, so you know better than London. No, no, I am better. I'm a lot better in London. I don't have. any kids. Well, we shouldn't, why have people brag about not having children? Like, that's not a foot. That's the weirdest thing in the world. You know, team, no kids. I got no kids. I'm 30.

Yeah, because if I had, if I had, if I had, if I had, if I had, if I had, it's beautiful to bring people into the world. No, it is. But it's also, it's also, it's also beautiful to raise families. Oh, for sure. I agree. I agree. And not have a bunch of men around your kids that your baby mother might be dating. I completely agree with you. But it doesn't make you a better person when you still are doing the act and the girl just happened to not get pregnant. I have rawed girls that I think would be terrible mothers. Okay. Thank God they didn't have a kid.

Okay. But it doesn't make me better. Yes, it does. It makes me a lot better. I'm a great guy. Yeah. I'm a great guy. I'm a great guy.

What if London is just pro-life? That's a good. What if he's a Christian? That's a good. That's a good. Not, but see, no, no, no, no. We can't because then if it was all of that. Cut him some slack because she did say on for baby mama that his mother was not around for him.

So if you want to get into some therapy. Yeah. How can you have a family if you never had a family? Listen, man. You can't raise a family if you never had a family. I agree. Which is why I said what I said. Like, I'm not saying he's a terrible guy because I don't know him.

I'm just going by with Summer is saying on the project. From her point of view of being pregnant, she's saying she was alone in the whole pregnancy. Like, she didn't feel like it was ever a real family that he wanted. She felt like he just wanted to say, oh, I'm with Summer. for the clout, like, that's my queen, but I'm only a queen of R&B, not in real life. He's still London. Like, if I was dating summer, it would look more cloudy than London. You said what?

If I was dating summer, you could say that would be looking more cloudy than London. No, that's not true. That's not true. Oh, you think I'm popping? Not that I think you popping, but it doesn't, it doesn't, because I see what you're trying to say. Like, yes, London is successful. He's a producer. He's.

bodied her first album. Classic. They made great music together. Matter of fact, they tried to make, this album is a bite of the sound London did on the first one. Did he produce some tracks on this album though?

No. I don't think. Yes, he's on credit. On this album? Yes. I didn't even know that. But, um, well,

it's called still over it. So, I mean, naturally it would sound like, it would sound like over it. But, um, yeah, I'm not going to say London is a bad guy.

It's all jokes. I'm just, I'm just saying how much I love that. I'm listening to it. And it started to make me kind of feel some way towards them just because the music is so good. Well, that's, that's why you can't be vulnerable with women anymore. Because they might make good music about it. I'm sure London, uh, confide into summer about his relationship with his mother,

his childhood and that degree, told her all these things. Maybe the reason I act the way I act is because of what my mother wasn't around and I don't really know what a structured family is and this and that. And then look, the moment she doesn't love. him anymore goes and uses that shit right against him and puts in a fucking record. Yeah, but what does she have to go through? You can't weaponize my trauma. Nah, but you can't. It's like, you can't do that. All right. So we're going, we go on. So yeah, I told you I act the way I act. So don't throw it back in my face. So that's the stance you taking.

Okay. So, but what it gets to a point where it's like enough is enough though. How much does how much does she put up with? 100%. You understand what I'm saying? So you got to think about that too. Like because again, I don't know London. It could be a great guy. But he doesn't like you. He told me. I don't know why he doesn't like me. Because I put money bags on the summer's picture? Yeah. Yes.

Niggas don't like me because of that. That's showing love. I bought her album. Listen. I support your family. I'm going to name drop really quick. Okay. Just to make the story better.

More salacious? Yes. Okay. We were in the studio and Puff was there. And London skipped over Puff to tell me he didn't fuck with you. Hey, look, London. That's a fact. Listen, man.

Listen, I don't know him. He could be a great guy. He walked past Puff. Yeah, man. And went to me and say, yo, your man's? I'm like, listen, man. And mind you, I didn't even know what London looked like. So I didn't even know who's talking to me.

Listen, man. I don't know. It's so love, man. I got nothing but love for everybody. I ain't got issues with nobody. But yeah, the album is just, it's an honest, it's an honest vulnerable project. Zero accountability in this project. I just want to say I love this album.

But. I'm just trying to stick up for men because this entire weekend, it was just a men bashing session. And someone had to come in here today and stick up for us. Yeah, but you can't stick up for somebody if you don't know if what they were or were not doing, though. That's why I fuck with Adele. Adele is the only female artist that takes accountability. She put out hello and said, yo, I was a piece of shit. I was terrible.

Sorry, Mac Wilds in this video. I feel like somebody else just did that, though. I feel like another female R&B artist just did that. Took accountability? Yeah, she took a lot of accountability. I feel like we would remember that because it never happened. Yeah, I feel like we spoke about it though. There just needs to be one verse on this where I feel like Summer is kind of just really saying, oh, this was my fault.

But what if it wasn't? What if she literally did all she could to save her relationship and keep her family together? Do more. You know, he was young. Yeah. He's more mature now. You know, it can be different, you know, so you can't blame her for being the fourth. like I've seen a lot of women like I could never be number four I could never

a lot of y'all could never be number one that's a whole other that's a whole other topic that we could get into if y'all if y'all willing if how much time y'all got all jokes aside that's a great album man I think this is a really really dope project um you think it's better than the first no better than but it's a different album I think I think it's probably just as good as the first I think there's gonna be more standout records from the first one than this one. This is an album album. Yeah,

I feel like there's no, there's no usher record from the first one that like, all right, this will be the joint that's played all the time. You know what I do think that this may be better than the first because the story is so real. Like, and we watched it unfold.

So it is a different, it's a, the, the records hit different because you can really go back and, you know, if you have those video saved on your Instagram, You can see like you're sick if you have those same thing you know I'm saying if you do but you can you can see it you can see the timeline I think her and Sierra's prayer at the end of it was was dope because you know every woman has been for the past however many years saying what did

see how did Sierra pray for Russell and her relationship like and again you know it's it's it's it's not just a prayer you got to be willing to put in the work as well well you know what Russell give us our prayer man I need Russell's prayer for us Russell's prayer yeah I need Russell's prayer next week who would be the Who would be the male R&B artist to have Russell's prayer to end of his album? August Alcena. You know what? You know he would do Russell's prayer. And Jada's prayer.

Maybe Jada's prayer. Russell's prayer? I don't know. But yeah, man, I think the album is dope. No, I really do enjoy the album. I'm talking shit and I know, shout out to LBRN. You guys did an amazing job, amazing rollout. Yeah.

Loved it all. I just had to come here to stick up for men. I love the album. I'm not even talking about the music. We haven't. We're having fun. No, no, and I thought about that too. Like I said, when I was listening, you're not having fun?

When I was listening to the album, I was like, damn, like, they're going to kill London. Like, they're going to kill them. Like, she's airing them. The last, is it the last song before Sierra's prayer when she's talking to London's mother? Like, first of all, your mother should have whooped your ass. You know how mad a woman got to be to say your mom should have whooped your ass? Then she explained all his trauma to the world and then left him. Listen, sometimes women can't, you know, enough is enough, man.

You got to move on. And Summer seems to be happy in her new relationship now as well. For sure. And, again, I'm not investing these people's lives. I'm really just talking shit right now. Shout out to London and Summer. I hope everyone find love and peace and happiness. And I think she's reported to do $200,000 first week.

Which is incredible. Amazing. I think I told Justice he asked me, I think I said $180. I thought she was $1.80. Because I felt like everybody was waiting for it. She can crack to. Yeah. For sure.

that's definitely a big a big accomplishment for them so shout out to them I'm seeing everything going around talking about the contract situation I don't know how true that is and I didn't ask justice about it I was it's funny I was considering calling them why listen we can't be the hypocrites that be they'd be preaching all this contract bullshit and even though justice is our man we got to get to the bottom of it because if you take if you taking that much from her justice is time to talk where's the little thingy the toggle

where's the toggle do we have the adapter justice is not going to answer I'm willing to bet he's not going to answer album numbers coming in yeah you know what I'm saying like someone probably on his phone right now

talking about shows no way he answers the phone I'm willing to bet he don't answer the phone nope we could keep that yeah I told you you wouldn't answer busy week for him man busy week

Oh, no, for sure. For sure. Oh, wait. No, that contract, I am curious to see. I mean, I know with Joint Ventures, a lot of the splits are not the best. I don't think that's correct, though. I'm willing to bet that that contract isn't true. I mean, 15 cents on the dollar sounds like a major deal to me.

Sounds like a regular last contract. Yeah, but I feel like, I feel like someone would have addressed that a long time ago. Maybe she didn't know. Maybe she read that article with the rest of the world. bro. A lot of artists don't, no, I'm not saying that's a fact. If she did, do you know what the next album is going to sound like? Still over justice. You're going to say justice next on the chopper block.

She going to add justice out. Did you really screw me justice? Yeah, she going to add justice out like some old socks, man. But, yeah, I don't think it's true, though. I don't think it's true. I think that some is, I think she's very weird. And I just think that I don't think LVRN would conduct business. I can't see them doing that.

No, I definitely can. Not at all. But that is weird. timing and who wrote it like where did that come from what i'm saying like it's just it's just too weird it's like where to just come from why right now it just feels like it was just some negative shit maybe london ah i could see that and maybe he kind of threw that out there to be like yes why you ain't getting no bread you really don't like london no i don't fuck with him you really don't like him i don't even know him like i think he's a dope producer oh justice said hit you in two minutes ah that old

industry two minutes that really means hour No, that's my man. We're not industry friends. That's my man. Went to DR together. That makes us a couple. It does. Low key it does.

Like if you put your feet in the sand with another man, it's a different level of like bonding. We were shirtless together for four days. Yeah, it's a different level. I think we got to get shirtless together, man. I'm just saying not like that. I would love for it.

Got a one up the old pod, huh? No, no, no. I'm saying like we need to spend time bonding with, of course, you know, have lady friends around. for sure to kind of break up the you know demarres could could round them up me and damaris got to have a long talk because she won't invite people places when i asked her to and just i just don't understand but you like but that's what i don't understand for the people that are listening here's a little backstory you got a lot of backstories mall had asked demarus i just love i've known demaris for a very

long time so watching your friendship with her blossom is fun to watch just because i've known both you for a very long time okay so I like to see you know when two worlds collide I love Demaris man where you guys will bond and not bond I am under the impression is not true but Demaris has the host she's always had those she does she has the she has the I can tell she will not invite one of call her ho call her woman to the St. John show for you but my thing is you also have a plus one so I'm all plused out why can't you invite this young lady I'm all plused out. Okay. I used all my pluses and I spoke to Saint and he said I can't have them all

pluses. No. No. So what plus are you bringing instead of this young woman that you're asking Demaris to bring? I invited, no, I invited some, some people that never seen St. John perform. Okay. They wanted to date, the show sold out. Fanatics. Yeah. You did a giveaway on Twitter. Yeah. Not on Twitter. Kind of like people I know. Okay. Against people I know like secondhand people I know. Okay. It's like, yo, my cousin, he's a big fan. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I'm good. I work with. She's a huge fan. It's like, okay. So nice of you. Yeah. I'm just trying to change the world. One of St. John fan at a time. Well, I have a plus that I won't be using. Okay. So if I give you my plus, would you invite her?

Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. She's great. And she's healing. Last time I saw, she told me she was healing. Okay. Next thing I know, it's tears. I'm like, what's going on? Yeah. And then she said, I'm healing. I was like, oh, well, if you would have said that, it would have, you know. So St. John, he has a great record called Roses. What else would have? help a woman heal more than flowers. Of course. Hear roses. Come to St. John's show.

Oh, so you're just trying to help her healing process. Yeah, and St. Love's taking the shirt off. That might help women healed. I don't know. You're the next dude. You're not London. You're the one that heals her. I'm France. That was a me joke.

Like, that was a bad joke. That's a joke I would make. Somebody said, somebody said, y'all got to stop naming your kids, London, and Paris because they act like Tremont in Newark. They act like Treemont and Gun Hill That's fucking yeah

That child's name is Merrick Yeah Yeah but um Yeah but no You should invite her though She's cool That's the homie man Have you ever dated a woman

That was healing? Absolutely And I found out while we were dating Like you should tell a guy Before you start dating That you're healing Well come on Don't let me find out

While I'm trying to like You know Get my shit off It's like now I got to receive energy That's still meant for him Oh for sure Yeah And I'm just like I don't even know

Yeah I don't know him I mean Women are never gonna like that though some of them do i think women are i think women are learning that it's okay to be like and i i've read something that says you honestly doesn't have to be brutal so i don't i want to stop saying brutally honest because i like that like honesty shouldn't be brutal i mean unless it's brutal but what's brutal though like what's brutal about being honest like i don't think it should be you shouldn't you shouldn't it shouldn't feel like it's being brutal taking out all your trauma on

an innocent bystander that's just trying to get to know you and help you Yeah, but then I don't think that's being honest. I think you're intentionally trying to hurt someone. Well, things are triggering in relationships and patterns. So, yeah, women that are not healed or people, let's say that. Because I've done it too when you're not healed in something. You're going to take it out on that person when you get triggered from something on the last thing. But what's something that has triggered you?

Like, what was the last thing that triggered you in a conversation or something with a female? Honestly, kind of what Summer did on that mom record. like I hate it it does trigger me if I explain a certain trauma in my life when we're being vulnerable and then in a fight they use it they use it and throw it or or try to say I don't understand like why you behave this way and it's like don't I've told you exactly why yeah I'm working yeah I can understand that triggering you and yeah but that's fucked up you shouldn't you shouldn't throw people's vulnerabilities at them but hurt people hurt people I've definitely been hurt and probably

took it out on the next person. Is going ghost on somebody considered like you taking out your traumas on them? If part of your trauma, if a result of your trauma is running away and shutting down, yes. It depends where it's rooted from. Because I do that a lot.

And I just noticed that about myself, like a few months ago. Like, I go ghost on people a lot. But it usually has nothing to do with the person. It's like I sense from. I just like I really thoroughly need to be alone at times. Like I don't want to be like. Press that to people. I do.

But I'm finding that no matter how much you express it to people when it happens, they still don't accept it. And not saying that they have to. You don't have to accept anything. But like they it's like, but I told you this is how I am. Like I just have these times and these moments where I just need to detach and just be by myself and it's not like you know if you're dating a woman and you go ghost it's like they automatically assume it's another woman okay now i see why he loves this summer album you're not taking any accountability in how maybe you're explaining this incorrectly to the person

you're speaking to i just i need to learn how to say that to them i just that's what i just said like and compromising the fact of if i want to go ghost all right i'm gonna shoot you two text messages this is what i'm doing is where i'm at give me like a day i'll talk to you like you because you I'm saying even if you do that. When you go ghost, it will make people feel insecure about what is going on. If they did something wrong, what you're doing, if you're disinterested. Because I've been on the other side of that. So about.

So you have to explain and figure out how to explain that to that person specifically because they may need some reassurance while you're going ghost. And that's where the compromise comes. It can't just always be about summer and mall. Sometimes it's got to be about London and Rory. Okay. Well, listen, if we're going to be progress. here, then just, just be progressive then.

I don't know where you were taking us right there, but okay. You my guy, you know what I'm going to, listen. I'm here. I'm here with you, man. Listen, we're bonded. We're here. It's a therapy session. Yeah, no, but even when you explain. I was suggesting that you were summer.

I know what you were. And you don't take accountability. London and I are good people that get shitted on publicly. Yeah, it didn't quite land the way you wanted it to, but I'm here. I'm listening. It landed the right way. That's how I wanted to land. But, yeah, no, even if.

you explain to people why why you go ghost or why you need time to yourself you could explain it until you turn blue in the face and it's still sometimes it's just not enough it still hurts and i know because i've been on the other side of that i've been ghosted by women and i'm like damn like what happened like we and they said oh you know i was going through something and this that the third or i had another situation that i wasn't quite sure about i didn't know where that was going understand the third and it's like okay cool once they explain it you understand but with me i'm noticing that i can explain it and i can be like yo honestly it has nothing to do with other women i think you're great i just have these moments where i just like i need to detach myself from

everybody and i just need to be alone by myself i'm not out dating other women i'm not out fucking other women like it's literally i'm just by myself and they just like yeah right like you know They don't understand that. Well, does that form from other trust issues that you may have given them before? Do they feel that? Are they just untrusting people to begin with? Or was there actions that made them feel from you? That, like, okay, he's ghosting me, but I see a million money bags every five seconds.

So that's another thing, too. That could make someone feel. You told me you were asleep, and then I saw money bags everywhere. I'm like, y'all, I drop him in my sleep, too. What do you want me to do? I don't know. And you wonder why women feel insecure when you ghost them. We got to the bottom of it.

You're telling them you're asleep and you're not. So when you say I'm ghosting about seeing other women, they may believe that you're not. But sometimes even if I am sleep, it's like, what do you, what am I explaining here? You know what I'm saying? It's like why, if I'm telling you, I just need time by, why does it matter if I'm on social media? Why does that matter? I'm still by myself while I'm on social media.

Okay, but you understand what I'm saying? You lie to her. No, sometimes it's like a, I was sleep. And it's like, I'm up now. You know, I sleep two-hour spurts. And then I wake up and I just... Yeah, it's so odd how these women don't believe you when you go. I can't understand where they're thinking.

No, but people need to understand that just because I am on social media does not mean that I want to talk to anybody. And it doesn't mean that I'm up. Because I could be sleeping on social media, too. Like, if I'm in the bed and I'm like in the feet and I just got my phone right here, like I'm not really up. I'm still asleep. The issue, the issue is not that you want to... Because you got to be up up. for a conversation like with a woman you're dating.

You guys are missing the point. You don't gotta be up to know that you like a picture. The issue is not that you're on social media and don't wanna talk to somebody. It's that you lied about what you were doing and continued and social media is what snitched on you. But what if I was really sleeping now I'm up though? Okay.

If I tell you I'm sleep at 4 a.m. And then at 5.30 I'm up and I'm on social media. Yeah, I was sleep for an hour and a half. Okay, I'm up now. Where's the lie? Maul, do you think that your upbringing and losing people when you were young? I just got really deep on you. It has to do with the fact that you're so easily, you easily detached from people, women included.

You know that everybody can die at any moment or be replaced at any moment. Jesus, the marriage, no. That's not deep question. Yeah, no, that has nothing to do with it. But if you want to go there, if you want to make it dark, dog, yo, Carl, turn the lights out. How do you know it doesn't? Have you ever explored that? No, I don't think it has anything to do.

When you say detached, like, I don't just like completely like cut people off and never speak to them again. I don't do that. But you detach when you get closer to somebody though. No, it's emotionally. Yeah. No, it's days where I just don't want to be bothered. Like it's just, I'm not talking about forever. I don't just like go ghost forever.

Like it's the day or two. I'm just like I don't just feel like talking. I don't feel like doing shit. I don't feel like being bothered. Is that something you're willing to compromise on with somebody that you would actually like though? Yeah. I've done it. Okay. Yeah, I've gotten a lot better, actually.

I've gotten a lot better. I'm not as, I'm not as bad as I was with ghosting and detaching myself. I'm not as bad. I've worked on it because I've been on the other end of it and I'm like, damn, that's how I feel that's whack. Okay, there's some growth there. Yeah. We can revisit this topic. I think we should try to add a moral therapy segment at least once a month, two times a month. I feel like this helped him. Oh, no. This didn't help me a hold of marriage. I think he's not going to text her back. I promise you.

This? You thought that helped? No, it didn't help me at all. Yo? Yo. Hey, Justice. You're a... Justice! You're live on air with Moore and myself. Congrats, man. I want to say congratulations on the album. The album's incredible. Thank you, man. I really appreciate y'all. What's up, Mom?

What's popping, King? You know what I'm saying? Trying to make it in America. No, now you're making it. Yeah, you're doing all right, bro. Yeah, you're doing all right. We would be hypocrites. And because I love you, I want you to clear your name. What's going on with this contract bullshit that they're spewing?

Did London put that in the press to try to kill the release? I mean, I'm going to let y'all do this. I'm going to let you out do the journalism and the investigation. I knew it was him. I knew it. Just look at the timing of everything. You know where the accountant boys. Yeah, I'm saying?

I want to see that contract. you know, listen, we'll clear it up, though. I mean, I just, I just didn't want to get in the middle of everything as we were put on out. I guess it's kind of productive for what our goal was. I hear that. That makes sense. Yeah. So it is being resolved for any misunderstandings with Summer and LBRN.

Okay. Yeah, which is none of their business. That's a fact. It is none of their business, but we're nosy and we're podcasters. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's just like, everybody was like, yo, if Shurdy had an issue, like, you don't think she would have social media? What summer would never do that?

She would never go on social media for any issues that she's having. I could never see her doing that. All right, well, I'm glad that's being cleared up. My thing is, all right, so like, let me just make this statement, though. My thing is just like, yeah, guys, we have brought y'all nothing but positive vibes.

All right, the name of our company is love and aside. How do y'all switch on us quickly because some weird article comes out? like that's just I don't know I'm just like yeah I don't believe in people anymore this sounds like a I'm new justice from the stand up guy

look at our name it says loving it I mean we could never It's L OVEE I'm just saying Roy you've been on vacation with me and I've had all my artists with me on vacation That is a fact

We have a great relationship It's not It's clearly the proof is in the put it So that is a fact Look at the time And just do all the critical things I'm with you. I'm with you.

If I actually thought that that's what you were doing, I probably wouldn't have called you. But I did want you to clear it up because I did see that flowing around. And we were talking about how Grace Summers album is. I will say with Boogie's album, though, are you holding that hostage? When can we get Boogie music? Mm-hmm. I am holding the hostage, but Q1.

Okay. So you're the punch to Siza to Boogie in this capacity? I just had to make sure it was right. Okay. Well, I like the two videos y'all put out. But all right, cool. I'll let you go. We'd be remiss not to bring up the article.

Congrats again on the release. Just congrats, man. Thank you, guys. All right. Talk to you, bro. Shout out to Nory, man. Yo, congrats to Nori. If I had a round of applause, I would do it.

Here's an air horn. It's a long air horn. Shout out to Nory, man. And EFN and Revolt and Black Effect and Title and Mass Appeal. Nori signed to like 17. outlets. So shout out to the entire world that was involved. Shout out to Biggs because he had, he orchestrated a lot of that. Okay. Shout out to Biggs. Yeah, I heard he was brought up in the interview.

What did you think of it? It was definitely, we definitely got a lot of sound bites from it. I think we got a lot of classic clips from it that we're going to see for a long time and here for a long time. I thought it was on brand with the rest of the Kanye interviews we've probably ever received. This one was probably a little more into the mind of the new Kanye or Yeezy.

He's talking with a different bravado now. Is he? Well, yeah. Thought the same confidence was always kind of there. This wasn't the same. No, the confidence never waivers. It's not the confidence. It's just different from you can see where,

you know where he is business, wise now versus where he wasn't business wise would sway. Okay. You can feel the difference. You can see the difference. It's a different type of conversation. Confidence is always there. That's why he's Kanye.

Confidence. You have to have the utmost confidence in yourself, which he never didn't have. But I think the conversation was different because of who he was sitting with. I think that helps a lot of the time. Yeah, absolutely. Sitting down with a guy like Norrie who. Long relationships. to them yeah they need some history there uh the type of person that norrie is uh and uh e fn is there

to kind of buffer when norri doesn't have any clue what the fuck people are talking about no the effin is great if n is like effen is the perfect cause for that show yeah it's like it's like it's like nori uh this is what that means you know what i mean like so i thought that was good uh and then i think the relationships behind the scenes uh like i said bigs had a lot to do with that and then um obviously puff will revolt who Kanye is obviously really close with. So you could just tell the dynamic and the energy was a little different. He smoked for the first time on camera and I don't know how long.

Yeah. Probably had a drink on camera for the first time in a very long time as well. Since the VMAs probably. Yeah. So, you know, it was just you could tell the level of comfort was different. And again, you know, it's just Kanye being Kanye, man. He's going to be entertained and he's going to say shit. that he probably shouldn't say but he doesn't give a fuck like what's going to happen

business is going to stop no from a podcast point of view i will say i what i enjoyed the most about the entire thing was when he kept saying to nory that you'll you'll be my joe rogan like i love that part yeah where the biggest superstars in this culture don't have to go with the necessary biggest platform that they can find i mean i know and coney's done joe rogan before i believe right yeah But to say that, like, I love that, I don't know why Ye chose now to talk. I was going to ask you that question as well, why you think he chose this timing. Because he seems to be, calculated wouldn't be the word because Kanye himself would say he's probably not very calculated. But when he chooses to speak, there's usually a reason for it.

Yeah. I love that he went right to Nory. I love that he didn't have to go back to Rogan or go to some other big platform that is the number one that he can be like, this is Walt Disney. I love that he went to drink champs and not to say drink champs is huge Don't get it twisted But I love that the superstar in that culture Went right to Nory and not to someone else

Yeah I mean and I think he kind of spoke to that I mean and I think that what that did And again it speaks to the power of the easy brand I think what that did for podcasting was amazing I think that I don't even think Kanye understands What he did for podcasting with Doing the drink champs episode But it was

It was dope it was a good watch I watched it twice because I watched it when the first came out something else was going on that night I feel like we was doing something and it was kind of like it was on but I wasn't paying attention so there's a lot of things that I missed

but it was just dope to him talk about you know relationship and you know the whole Drake situation and the issues he had there and you know him saying he's basically still married he feels like he's still married you know it's nothing his finals no divorce papers anything like that

um you know And then him talking about his movement with Gap and how he was able to, you know, make those numbers do what it did when they went public. And, you know, so he's just speaking to the power of himself and, you know, his brand. And I think it's amazing when you look at a guy like Kanye in his career and where he came from and where he's at now, so there's nothing but motivation and inspiring to basically say, here's a guy that did more than I think anyone thought he was going to be able to do. The inspiring side of it, because I remember, and shout out to Juan Epstein, shout out to Seif in Rosenberg, because I feel like anytime Hove does a podcast or like, Yee does a podcast, people forget that they had Hove on their podcast first. They had Kanye on their podcast first. Like, shout out to Juan Ep for being kind of the blueprint for a lot of this shit.

Yeah. I remember him being on there saying that whole, I'm the new Elon Musk. I'm the new, like, I'm these people. And he did those rants all the time during the Jesus tour. All that shit. Right. it was kind of cool to see him say all those names again, Basil, and say those are my peers and actually mean it this time.

Like it happened. You did kind of manifest that shit. Absolutely. Now it doesn't negate some of the bullshit that you did to get there with certain people that you align yourself with. But I can never take away and who the fuck would I to be to begin with.

Take away Kanye's contributions and the way he is pushing shit for. So that was really nice to see. I thought some of the shots he was taking adjusts and Kuali and Sean I thought was like super weird but that's Kanye shit like if you let if you put a mic in front of Kanye long enough and let him talk he's going to say some things that he shouldn't say of course we know that about Kanye already and I think we went into it like okay what is he going to say this time because I know when I heard he was doing the drink champs like I was like I can't because I know it's a different level of comfort with

norie so I knew that it was going to be some things he was going to say that was like damn like Now, the just thing I didn't expect. That caught me off guard. I was like, that's a little, you know, foul. You know what I mean? Like, damn. Well, I'm on record, not a doctor at all, but I've dealt with a lot of people that have had Asperger's.

So I do know that behavior very much. And I've said a bunch of times, I think Kanye has Asperger's. He doesn't really know how to act in social situations and say the right things that are on the top of his mind. He alluded to that. And he said he's a little on the spectrum. Yeah. But we all are, but he's just more on the spectrum. So, yeah, I mean, you know, he, he understands that.

And I think Kanye is just, he's just, again, I don't want, I'm trying to say brutally honest, but he is that guy. He's going to say things where it's just like, that's going to offend somebody, but you understand what he's trying to say? It's, it's who he offended and how he did it because it was kind of like, damn right. So you probably felt that way when the blue crept was being made. Of course.

And you've big up just work with just like, that's what I kind of hate. And I'm... But even the Sean shit. I've done it before too. When I've gotten mad, I've said things that I probably thought about someone for a long time.

And I should have just said that to begin with because that's like some real phony shit. Yeah. But like, the praise you gave Kuali for so long of like him being the first rapper to put you on as a rapper.

Like, he's the reason for that. To say you hated his, his raps, like that could be your preference, but some shit you just don't got to say. Agree. I agree. There's some things that you keep to yourself.

You don't need to say it. But again, publicly. If you want to be in the studio and say Kwali, that verse sucks, that's what the producers do. But we know that Kanye

is the exact opposite. He's going to always say things publicly that he shouldn't say. It's just who was he going to say it about this time? Did I think it was going to be Just Blaze? No.

Did I think Kuali was going to catch a stray? No. Those were the names I was going to reach for. I thought he was going to dig more into the whole Drake situation than anything.

I'm over. I don't care. I was skipping through that. that part yeah I mean you over it but this is his first time speaking publicly since a lot of things or have or haven't transpired since the albums came out you know six days apart from each other you know I mean that whole back and forth so I thought that it was going to be more talk on that like what was the hesitancy about the back and forth like who's going to drop first like I thought he was going to dig more into that so I was expecting to hear some some things about that but

just caught astray quality quote astray big Sean caught astray I'm still trying to fully understand that big Sean one. Me too, especially since Sean put out a photo of him seeing Yay like two weeks ago and was like, yo, this was after this interview and you didn't say any of that to me. And the John Legend thing, because of course John Legend was vocal when Ye did the Trump shit. But then also said, hey, I'm texting. I'm going to his house. We're going to discuss it.

Like I felt John Legend for who he is publicly when it comes to political shit. And Yee being so close to him. I thought John handled that shit like with grace and was really dope and was a good friend and still was sticking to his political points on what he thought Kanye was wrong about. Politics political shit with friends is always weird. Big Sean handled it even better, I thought. Sean just shut the fuck up. He didn't say shit bad about yay or good about yay or anything. You just shut up.

Like, if he wants to go do his Trump thing, that has nothing to do with me. I'm going to just be quiet. So to say that you're in your grave because you sign Big Sean. Like, that's some real foul shit. Because, all right. I agree. Yeah. But that's who Kanye is.

Because if we're keeping a buck with good music, which is one of my favorite labels ever, in that era of Drake coming up, Kendrick coming up, Jay Cole coming up, when they were all doing those, like, sublabel battles. Sean came, he kept good music relevant to the younger crowd. Oh, for sure. Like, to say, your. biggest mistake would be to sign big Sean dog that kept your label with the kids like what the fuck yes push we love push

push is from our era push of course help keep that shit float we love common great love Tiana no but you're talking about to that demographic to that when good music was in its prime as a label Sean is the top tier rapper

that kept y'all moving and relevant as far as a label outside of the obvious Kanye West but yeah I just Like, that's some foul shit to say. No, it is. And again, but this is Kanye. I think Kanye is just an extremist in a lot. So even if he says something, it's going to be like the extreme.

You know what I mean? If he's talking about somebody, it's going to be a little extreme. Like, does he feel some type of way towards Big Sean and business? And maybe Big Sean wanting to be off good music and all of that behind the scene shit? That probably was on his mind. Like, damn, like, you know, why wouldn't you want to fuck with me? Like, I fuck with you. So he probably just said something about Sean in that moment where it was just like,

It was a little extreme. But you can't. Is he mad that he signed Big Sean? I don't think so. But you can't preach everything you said in that interview and then be mad if Sean wants to get off your label. I agree with you. No, I'm with you. But again, we're talking about Kanye.

When I first saw the clip, I thought he was actually saying some ill shit. I thought he was saying. Nor he did too. This was like, no, this was. Oh, you mean the worst? Like, oh my God. Like, I thought he was saying like, damn, Sean is such a great artist. I should have never signed him to a deal that would hold him in a back.

holding them back yeah because Kanye at that point too that was such the major label system of regular ass contracts kind of probably even know what he was doing when he was signing Sean like that he didn't know what he was taking from Sean right so that's what I thought he was getting out was like oh that's ill I like that you said that and then I went back I was like oh wait you like are really upset that you like he was a bad person but was he really upset because like I said I love the fact that Sean put that picture out with him and Kanye and hit boy right yeah and he was like yo I just saw you and this was after you did this interview like and it wasn't this type of energy at all. So where's this coming from? You know what I mean? So again,

that just speaks to the point of Kanye's going to say things sometimes that's going to be a little exaggerated and things that he shouldn't say. But that's Kanye. That's what he does. He's been doing that forever. I think we give not enough credit to who Kanye West is as a person publicly to Dame. And I'm not saying that in a bad way or good way. But Dame and Kanye are so good. good at saying some simple shit in such a fucking compelling way. Like, if you go look at the Breakfast Club interview and look at the yay, norie shit, they're very similar people in how they give their delivery and how they explain things and how they bring you in to care about a very simple point.

Like, that was one thing I liked about the episode is when he said, I'm Jay and I'm Dane. You know what I mean? And you can see it with Dane rubbed off on him. And it's, it really just boils down to, you know, Dame has always been a guy of ultimate confidence. Yeah. And, you know, we don't need you to do what we want to do with our culture. These are things that Dame has been preaching forever.

You go back and look at that breakfast club interview with Dame now and how it resonates, especially with us. Hell you. Today, it's like, oh, this is what he was preaching, you know, ownership. Why, we can't own our own shit. We don't need these people. We can do this on our own, do it together. You know what I mean? So it's like, you understand the mind of Dame.

I think Dame just says it in a way where it just rubs people the wrong way at times. And should he be, you know, is that on Dame? I don't, no, not really. It shouldn't be, right? It's like more so, right. It's more so like I'm speaking about business and getting this done and us doing things the right way and us owning our own shit. And why does that offend somebody? Like, that shouldn't offend you that I want to own my own shit.

You know what I mean? It's insecurity. It's insecurities. So, you know, Kanye took a page out of that book and it was dope for him. to give Dame that love and say, you know, I am Jay and I am Dame because I remember when Kanye first started coming around, he was a totally different individual. You know what I mean? I remember it may have been his first or second day at baseline and he was just bringing beats through. And I didn't know who he was. They told me that this was a producer that he was working with and that

it was going to be probably producing on Jay's album. And I remember Kanye had on like a motorcycle jacket and some Durango boots. It just wasn't like, I was. Our fashion. Yeah. But even back then, you could tell he was always on his own shit. Yeah. It was like he going to dress with, he going to wear, but he want to wear it. I was fly to him, me being from New York.

It was a weird time in New York where dudes was wearing Durango boots, too. Like, some dudes kind of jumped in that lane. That was never. No, it was dudes up town wearing Durango boots. And I was kind of like, yo, I don't know. I'm going to stick to the Timbs and to beat some Rockies, fam. Like, I'm not going to do the Durangos. But I remember that.

I remember Kanye being at baseline. And you could just tell he was just different. From day one, he was just different. He was on his own page. He was doing what he wanted to do. And, you know, a year later, it was like, you know, this dude was out of here. And this, this was what for the compilation before the blueprint, right? This was, no, this was, um, this was blueprint.

This was blueprint one. Okay. This was blueprint one. I think Jay was still recording Blueprint 1. When I first met Kanye up at baseline, yeah, I think Jay was blueprint one. Beans was recording some joints because I know Kanye had did some joints with beans around that time. And it was dope for him to say that he, oh, he's going to give beans. some money because he gave him the name Yeezy.

He's going to give him some stock in Yeezy. So that was, I mean, it still remains to be seen to feel actually do it. But the fact that he said it was like, oh, shit, okay, that's real. Yeah, I mean, I do want to see more of the follow-up, Kanye, in that sense. Because I loved when he was tweeting about the master shit. And then we don't know what happened with that. Exactly.

Not to say that I have to know. Right. Exactly. But with that. It remains to be seen. With popular people, they'll say a lot of shit and we'll praise them for it. And it's like, do all you actually doing it, though. Yeah.

But I did like that. along with Hove mentioning Dame in the speech too it was nice as a baby Rockefeller fan yeah like it was nice to see this this past two weeks of everyone kind of like Biggs is at the yay shit Jay is talking about Dame at the Hall of Fame shit and Kanye's getting into the bean so I love that but I don't know what's going on I haven't asked Biggs but he's been with Kanye for a few like maybe two weeks now they've been in Miami running around I don't know if yeah you're still there but I'm I just when he told me that kind of raised my eyebrow like what's going on you know what I mean what's happening and obviously the drink champ should happen and all of that but it's good to see um

like you said that energy of you know people that started out together kind of sort of trying to like mend some relationships that may have you know been broken through years of business and you know just people going there several ways and growing there's separate ways like sometimes it just has to happen like that I can't grow with you I have to go over here and do this but we're gonna find our way back to do something together where it's like bro i never forgot you like you was a uh intricate part in my growth in my development like i'm in forever indebted to you so it's good to see that type of energy where it's really no bad blood uh the j and dame shit was always you know fucked up to me yeah because i know the i know the love that's really there you know what

i'm saying so it's good to see that that energy is kind of sort of like bringing this way back but i mean maybe it was purposeful in the sense that to your point of growing separately. I couldn't think of a better time now for four genius minds that have been doing things on their own, yay, Dane, Biggs, and Kanye to just not fuck with each other for a while

and then come back together in this moment with all the other shit they have going on together. So I do hope that does happen. We'll see. I mean, it's easy to say things and put things out there, but it's still a lot behind the scenes that I know is like,

it's a lot of hurdles. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot of ego now more than never. You know, everybody has an ego, but now more than never, the egos are like huge. Yeah. So it's like, I don't know if you can get around that. But the only time we've ever seen Yeh not having ego to me was this interview in certain parts when Jay was brought up. Oh, no, that's the boss.

I can't do verses against him. Yeah. I mean, but again, I like that because it's the truth. You know what I'm saying? It's the truth. And it's like it still shows that no matter how big, Kanye is and he becomes, he's always going to have that like big brother, little brother thing for Jay. Where it's like, bro, if it wasn't for you, like, I don't know, you know, if my career ever takes off the way it did.

The same thing with Dane. Like, don't matter what Dane's going through. Dane would be good forever because, like, yeah, that's stripping your ego. So I do think there is some hope. Just like, I think Dane, Dane on IG came back and said, yeah, maybe we could, we could talk again. We could figure it out. Get the lawyers out the way. Yeah.

So I think there's something. I hope so. I would love to see it, man. You gotta put it together. It's really on you. No, it's not on me, but I would love to see it. The only thing Hove said to me at the premiere was, hey, you lost weight and then punch me in the ribs and I have a broken rib. Yeah, I mean, well, you know, that's his way.

Well, I had a broken rib already. Jay didn't break my rib. Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't want to put too much into it to the idea of, you know, them condimenting their relationships. Because, again, it's personal for me. And if it doesn't happen, I'm going to be like, you just, this is whack. But I love the fact that people are talking.

And I love the fact that Jay, but Jay's honorable. So him shouting out Dame at the Rock and the Hall of Fame, I didn't expect anything less. Yeah, it didn't shock me. Yeah. So it's like, you know, but again, I just know how egos are and how shit can get in the way. So I'm not going to put too much stock into it. I hear that. Well, yeah, congrats to Norian EFN again.

I love the interview. They do. Huge numbers. I think that was like. Six mil, I think they're right now. Which would go up even more because that was over the weekend. So, you know, this week people will watch that shit. And I hope, yay, talks more.

I'll be honest with you. Yeah. I hope with the right people. Yeah. With the right people. Like, again, Nory, that type of platform is real easy, real comfortable for them. And I think that that helps with those type of people that kind of like, you know, they kind of are sheltered and closed in when it comes to, you know, being vulnerable with random people just because they have a show. That doesn't work for Kanye.

Sitting down with somebody like Noree who is not going to grill you and, you know, give you this Barbara Walters type of vibe. That's perfect for Kanye. He can be himself. And Norie still asked the right questions. He absolutely did. I love the fact that him comparing, you know, asking which rappers he, like that, which producers. It was dope to see that side of Kanye because you could really go back into him being a fan. Like growing up as a fan of a lot of these artists and stuff like that.

So that was dope to see that side of Kanye. I will say the last Kanye point. What I did love was that Hove did not give Watch the Throne, the song Holy Grail. And it's not going to be why you think. Yeah. That song is not good. Justin Timberle comes in and kills that intro, bodies it. And then you get some of the worst timul and drums I've ever heard in my fucking life.

Some of the worst? Yes. Thank God that record. If we don't, if that becomes the intro to watch the throne, we don't get no church in the wild. So thank fucking God that Jay was selfish on that boy. Yeah, absolutely. If it's between no church and a while. Those cymbal and drums are not, they're just not good.

I can't remember the drums on that. They're bad. But weren't good. That's probably because they weren't that good. They're just not good at all. Who doing? Somebody talk or just market. You have something against watch, I mean against Magna Carta.

I don't have anything against Magna Carta. He didn't have the phone. What was the phone that? Oh, the Samsung shit? Yeah. He didn't get the phone guy. He was an iPhone guy back then. No, I just, I know, I think Holy Grail is cool.

It's definitely not my favorite J album. I think it was... I mean, if it's between Holy Grail and watch the throne, everybody's obviously on. Listen, Justin's killing this shit. And for those watching on YouTube, we're actually listening to the record right now. Like, this buildup and then even in the commercial, they killed it right before the drums came on. Like, oh, damn, we blew out the speakers. No, you didn't.

The speakers were not blown. These drums suck. I don't know that shit you're talking about. I'm the buildup that Justin did on that shit compared to that. Thank God that wasn't on watch the throne. The drums aren't terrible, but I wouldn't have used those drums on that record.

They work on another. I know what you mean. That was the most political answer I've ever heard in my fucking life. Just agree with me. No, because the drums aren't bad. It's okay. Jay is my favorite rapper. I can say Tim Lynn's a great producer.

No, but listen, the drums aren't bad. Just on that record, they didn't fit with that build. that buildup yeah that's all but if those drums on another record maybe yeah that's what I'm saying like on that record no but they're not terrible it's not it doesn't sound like i did the beat like it's not terrible drums it's just like no i didn't wasn't expecting that after that just in build up yeah and i the my only issue with i don't know of course they're gonna come a jz podcast with this album is i think it was the most detached from his fan base jay has ever been he was too rich and famous at that point

dog I just want a Picasso like dog I just want a slice of pizza like it was the album was too rich there wasn't one like relatable bar I gotta go back on the entire album I gotta go back and listen to it yeah I gotta go back and listen to it I think now you know being a little older and you know I think I think listening to albums back then now I think they'll they hit a little different yeah and I think it was too uh too much of the greats if that makes sense yeah I know what you It was just too much of it. Like we're getting too much of the A list together.

It's like the Lakers right now. We're kind of all too rich and detached of what's going on right now. That was my only issue. It's still a good album, but that was my only problem with it. Well, shout out to Norrie. Shout out to DJ, EFN. Shout out to Drink Chance, Revolt, Mass Appeals, and anybody else that had a hand in making that interview happen.

Definitely was a classic, definitely elevated the podcast and platform. 100%. And we answered with our hip boy. I loved our conversation with hip boy. No, I think it was dope. I think it was really dope. I think it was a... I'm just laughing at us answering.

Yeah, no. That wasn't, I promise you that wasn't the answer. We answered, you know, that. That answer was nobody heard that answer. Well, we shot that before the Kanye. Yeah. Well, I don't know when the Kanye interview actually happened, but before our knowledge of the Kanye. It was before that.

It was before that. It was way before that. And I thought it was a great, great combo. Like, yeah. Even without the Kanye shit going on, I still would have wanted to put that out at the same time. No, that had nothing to do with me. I just thought that it made sense with obviously what did happen with the Kanye shit. But to me, it was just about celebrating hit boy.

Yeah. And a lot of people said they had never really listened to a hit boy interview before and like listen to them, like sit down and talk. So they enjoyed it. They learned different things about them, different sides of them, different, you know, got a different energy from them. I didn't even realize he was that passionate. He was that. He's a quiet dude. Yeah, you know what I mean?

So I thought it was dope. So yeah, shout out the hit boy. And, um, yeah, I could tell he was in no way would I say nervous about it, but just he doesn't do press like that. At all. Him and I were talking and he was like, did I go to end? I was like, no, you didn't. I mean, you got your shit off. Yeah, for him, I think he just never did that publicly and kind of felt away.

And I was like, Doug, I mean, you got your truth off. No matter what. you say it's not going to belong to you anyways it's going to be interpreted by whoever the fuck so if you start worrying about how you're going to come across you're going to lose your fucking mind so just just be happy you got you got your shit off and you i thought you did it in a graceful way and i think i think that was important for people to hear that too because you know again somebody as as you know big as conier you know possibly stepping in the way of your career and saying you know don't work with him it's crazy for him to be able to pivot

it around that and still have the success that he's had, that's a very inspiring thing for people. I think people need to hear that. Hell, yeah. They're going to be obstacles. They're going to be people that's going to, you know, try to get in your way and people that you look up to because that's another side of the game that people don't tell you. You know, you're a fan of somebody and, you know, you look at them from afar and one day you're in the room working with them or working for them and they come to find out, you know,

they don't, they kind of hinder you a little bit. They're like, nah, don't do nothing with them or don't work with this person. don't do that it's a it's a tough pill to swallow it's like damn like this is somebody i look up to this somebody who i had posters on my wall like and now they're telling people not to work with me like yeah that that was something i think that people needed to hear and understand that yeah that may happen but that doesn't mean that your goals can't be reached and that your dreams can't be a reality if Kanye west is telling people not to work with you and you got two full albums with naz you're a different you're a different dude yeah yeah it was inspiring so i thought that was dope for hip

boy to sit down with us and put that out there yeah i liked it i liked it um sports related scotty pippin i agree with him yeah so scotty pippin has been on one man i don't know you know i mean i know jealousy is a real thing and i know envy is a is a is a real thing but it's getting a little weird with scotty pippin for you think this comment was jealous and envious absolutely how i think i think scottie pippen has because i think scotty pippen realizes he was a great play but it's just hard when you were playing with the greatest player so you're not going to get everything that you probably feel like you should have got you're not going to get all of the accolades and all of the acknowledgement that you feel like you should have received because you're

playing with the greatest ever so it's like i understand it where it may be some feelings there where it's like damn like because i saw something else where he was saying that he didn't receive any payment from the last dance documentary and that michael jordan made 10 million scotty pippin if you think that Michael Jordan cares about $10 million that he received from that documentary doesn't mean Scottie doesn't care about it but that's so there's levels so while Mike probably donated all of that money to some charity somewhere like it's not the the documentary was about Michael Jordan Michael Michael he does care about the kids but that documentary was about Michael Jordan of course that wasn't about Scottie pippen because he was he was a part of the legacy and that's scottie's fucking

point yeah but this is not your documentary so why would you receive compensation for this. That was just weird. But again, that speaks to other feelings that may be there for Mike. This is what I'm saying. Like, there's some other feelings that I think he harbors towards. And Scotty was in it, right? Yeah.

You can't tell a Michael Jordan story without I'm trying to remember. Because I don't even want it to come across like. He was interviewed in it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But that's what I'm saying. I don't want it to come across like Scotty doesn't deserve something because that's,

no, Scotty Pippin is one of the greatest at his position. ever he changed the small forward position I would never try to take anything away from scotty but Michael Jordan is the guy and he's not saying otherwise though he's not saying it but I think he's alluding to it like play the clip because I'm curious how you was your relationship like off the court it wasn't what you saw in the court we always will have that respect for each other but our friendship is not where people see it on TV think it is. And do you think that Michael Jordan would be as successful without you? No. But I don't think I would be successful without him. I think we both complimented each other in a lot of different

ways. And we kind of competed and pushed each other to be. Where's the jealousy and envy and that? Scottie's right. No, he's right. But him, you know, It's this is just one interview. There's been a few over the years where it's like you can kind of feel like Scotty feels like he always was in Mike's shadow. Well, he was. Right. So what I'm saying is he may have some feelings about that. He may feel away about that.

Like, which is you understand it because again, especially when you're athlete, it's competitive, it's ego. It's all of those things. But it's like, you know, when you get to a point where as an older man, you start like I think he said something and this is when I knew it was weird and he said something about he felt like LeBron would kill Mike or something he made some statement like that where they asked him LeBron or Jordan and he was like LeBron okay and cool LeBron is a great we nobody's going to argue LeBron's one of the greatest players ever but this is a guy that you won six rings with this is a guy who they say is arguably the greatest to ever play.

I just didn't understand why he would say LeBron in that. Like, you won with Mike. It wasn't like you're not a... I think he's the person that could accurately give that answer more than anybody because he played... He was number two to Mike. Play with him. And now he's watching Braun and says, hey, I know how Mike operate.

I think Brown would win. I'm not saying that that's true. But he would be the one. You think it came from a place of just not fucking with Mike. Absolutely. Which is fine. too. But he shouldn't. It's not fine if it comes from a place because you feel like you was just always in his shadow.

Like that's a great shadow to be in. If you're going to be in anybody's shadow, being in Michael Jordan's shadow and Scotty held his own because when Mike retired and Scottie had to hold down the bulls. He was probably to, he probably should have been MVP that year. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like so it's like you understand, you know, Scotty wasn't just a chump. Like he was a, he was a great player. But Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan.

That's what I'm saying. But he's allowed to feel like, yo, I need my credit now. Like, I. spend my entire career as kind of being the stereotypical pun or joke to a sidekick like Batman Robin shit. Like it's

Michael and Scotty when I was a top tier fucking player and y'all need to put some respect on my name for that. Okay so back to this accountability thing. You saw the last dance documentary. Mike advised Scottie not to sign that contract that he signed. So we can

kind of sort of see where Scotty's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Well. Like that's all I'm saying here We can kind of Like you lost your Future would agree That's what I'm saying It's a lot of shit around Scotty

Where it's like All right fam We love you You is one of the great To your position of all time One of the greatest small foals To ever play the game No doubt about it

But you got some questionable shit around you Is all I'm saying with Scotty And I think now It's like You know Even now He's only in the headlines Because he's talking about

Mike So it's like You know what I mean It's like I understand People are going to ask him regardless. And I think that's what he, I think that's what he has a tough time dealing with, is that people are going to only talk to him and it's going to be like Michael Jordan, you know.

But it's like, what's wrong with that? He was a major part of that. He's got to understand. Of course, the Mike question. Yeah, he was a major part of that. He was a major part of it. But I think that he just feels like he doesn't get acknowledged on his own as much as he would like to. And, you know, again, that's, he should handle it like Big Boy.

Because I've always said Big Boy is a top-tier lyricist. he just happened to be in a group with a unicorn. Exactly. Same shit. Same shit. But Big Boy's not running around talking about, I think that the baby is better than Andre 3000. It's like the baby is doing great right now, killing them, numbers, charts everywhere.

Like he's doing amazing. But slow down. You know what I mean? And that's all I'm saying. I know Big Boy does say that. It's like, you come on, slow down, fam. Like, we understand, but it's like, all right, you really that upset. What Mike didn't do for you?

And first of all, the baby is not the LeBron James of rapping. I just want to make that clear. I'm not saying, no, I'm not saying he is. I'm just saying it's kind of like the newer, you know, generation. Who's the top dog in the newer generation? Like, you know, it's that type of thing. I guess I see both sides. I just think Scotty should get his shit off.

Like, he was a phenomenal fucking player. Major piece of history. Sometimes, let's go back to the breakfast club interview of Dame. And he said, hey, stop asking me about that man. Yeah. I agree. I'm just, stop asking me about that guy. Scotty Pippin is Dane.

I get it You see how look I'm just saying like it's I understand major part of the history But it's like you was It's always going to be about it It's a whole documentary

Leave me the fuck alone Go watch the doc But then now you mad that He got paid on his documentary You see what I'm saying Like it's just like come on fan You're just mad about everything When you do your doc

I'm charging you Oh you gotta pay Mike You know you gotta pay Mike to pull up To do Scotty's doc You gotta get me there Jet You know all of that Mike is not doing Scottie's thought

No, I think he would I think he would Mike is not a hater He doesn't strike me as a hater Mike strikes me as a hater Name one instance What Mike hated Besides the dream team

With Isaiah Thomas And I only think Mike said he ain't have Nothing to do it I believe him His entire competitive career He was hating He's hated everybody

That's why he's such a good competitor He fucking hates everyone That's a different hate But it's still hate Yeah but that's a different hate on you You're right That's a different hate though like Kobe had that hate to as far as you're just such a

You need it. I agree. I'm just saying he hates. Yeah, I hate, I hate Oliy. But that mentality bleeds into your personal life too. He's going to hate. I just think that Scotty has some questions.

He's in there taking security guards money. He's a hater. That's competitiveness. That's being a competitor. Even if it's cord, give me that. I'm taking all that change in your pocket. Don't step out here with me.

That's all the saying. Scotty, I think it's more personal. I think it's like some resentment there. I think it's getting weird now. And, you know, like I said, based off his track record, Mike tried to help him, don't sign that contract, bro. And he went ahead and signed it. That's on you.

You can't be mad at Mike because he made all that money and you signed that bullshit deal. He told you not to do it. Yeah. So listen, man, I love Scotty, but Scotty got to relax. I get it. I get it. Well, he didn't talk at all of his whole career,

so get your shit off. Yeah. And personal issues at home, he may want to address. You know about Scotty's person? life at home i listen to future's music we should probably we should probably edit that for it this was fun what about your favorite group silk sonic is back so i love what they're doing i love the fact that they're slow walking this entire project and giving us one single every quarter

yeah i love that i'm not mad at it because everybody's putting out music and you listen to an album for two weeks and you forget about it and they're letting you know now we're going we're going to slow walk this thing. We're going to give you this album when we want to give it to you. Take these singles, let them live with these singles for three, four months at a time and we'll hit you with a new one. I typically hate really polished pop music. It kind of like makes my ears bleed a lot. I like imperfections a lot. This is perfect pop music. It's a great. I can't understand why I love it so much. I should hate this though. But it's great music. I'm talking about my taste. When shit is so fucking polished, it bothers me. I don't know how they figured out. I don't know how they figured out.

how to have absolutely no soul at all in it and have every bit of soul you could find like I can't fathom it in my head it feels warm and it's the coldest record I've ever heard I mean I'm like well these are like real musicians 100% you know I mean these are real musicians real artists and their their relationship they have a personal relationship with each other they've known each other for years so I think you're getting all of that you're getting a lot of like fun a lot of like you know jokes type of vibe parody type of vibe But then you get in real music. And I think they're just mixing all that in.

I think this is just them letting us in on their jam sessions. Honestly, I think this is what this is. And I don't know if it's Anderson that does it. Because we've talked about it with CLB and other albums of kind of like doing the parody of yourself and parody of music. And Bruno Mars, to some degree, has made parody music that was really good. Like, it feels like you're really just trying to recreate something exactly in a parody way. And it sounds perfect. So I don't know if it's Anderson Pack that's pulling it there or it's both of them or Bruno's just so good at doing this parody style.

I can't figure it out. I just love it. It just confuses me that I love it. It's, it's, it's to me. Because I'm a hater. You're not a hater. I'm not. I think that, again, I just like the fact that they're showing you that it's possible to like, you don't have to give in to the new protocol of what putting a single out in the album looks like and feels like.

Like, they're not rushing this. They're not, they're like, this is real music that we're not going to just give you in a microwave fashion where you just live with it for a weekend. And then you're on to the next thing right after. Like, they're giving us these singles. There's like I said, the first single came out probably top of the year. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken. So, you know, it's like they're going to, they're letting us live with this music.

Like, you want this song? Keep playing this song. We're not giving you the whole album yet. But just based off of these singles, the album's going to be incredible. Oh, no, I don't doubt that. The tour is going to be amazing. the visuals are amazing. They have a lot of fun.

Yeah, like, you already see what this is. This is, this is old school marketing. This is old school rollout. Like, this is not no new shit. And I do like that they are, it does make me feel like they're actually putting time into the album rather than like, let's catch this quick lick of two big artists or two big producers or something like that. Let's just put some shit out real quick. So, yeah, I do like the strategy on that. The Terrace Martin album, I don't know if you listen to him, drones.

I mean, James Fonterroy is all over it, so you already know I'm on board. But that Terrace Martin album, I know everyone was on summer this week. I know the Silksonic shit. I know Adele put out music. That Terrace Martin album, people got to go pay attention to. Like, he went in. Okay. There's Corday's on it, Aaron Ray's on it, YG's on it.

It's a lot of people. Fonsorri is all over it. Finally, I feel like... You gotta check it out. Leon Bridges, D. Smoke. It's a really, really, really good album. And shit, actually That day we were talking about

With the Nod shit and Hit Boy shit Was the same day I was with Terris in that same studio He was playing this stuff And at that point I was like I mean is this shit ever gonna come out? Right Because he works on so many other people's shit That I don't think he's giving himself that proper time

And he did on this one To like just focus on let me do my album And the shit is great. All right, I gotta check it out There is a CISA record That didn't make it a CISD and James Fontoward record. I don't know the politics behind it because Punch was in the studio that day, too.

That needs to come out. Teres Martin produced a Siza and James Fonterbury record. That's incredible. I don't know if that's going to end up on her album. And that's why it wasn't on his, but it's crazy. I was listening to the Ransom and Rome streets, Coop de Grace. Am I saying that right? I say DeGrasi.

Every time I look at it. I don't know if it's Coop de Grace or Coop de Gras. I had basic cable. I didn't watch the Gras. No, the Ransom and Roan Streets. joint I'm feeling this joint I was listening to it this weekend really good yeah yeah Ransman's been doing this thing man yeah I like the I like the pocket he's in I like the zone he's in I like the creative spaces he's in like the consistency too yeah he found his stride and he's he's

sticking with it and he's staying he's staying with it I like that I was listening to the uh the Dom Kennedy project too yeah this week I'm sure is good I would love to see like Rand Banks Griselda, rock. To like, yeah, do a full proper tour and a bigger venue with all of them. Like that style that's still staying alive and has a really big core fan base. I don't understand why they don't all just get together

to do a bigger tour. I don't know if will promoters take that? Of course. You think so? I mean, the way state property locks and dipset is doing it now, I can't see why they couldn't do that too. I don't know if the egos of who would perform last would get in the way. And that's always been so stupid to me.

Like, who gives a fun? Who cares? Like, that shit is just so stupid to me, but. Put all our names this way on the flyer. They don't have to go at a list.

Put a more horizontal. Yeah, same font. Like, so nobody feels no type of way like because egos are so fragile with rappers, which is crazy to me. Because, yeah, that whole family, you would get a way bigger venue than all of them just going out by themselves.

Yeah. If they all came together. That would be dope. And then you get to see, you know, a lot of your favorite. And then I like that because a lot of these guys have records with each other. So now they get to perform these records together because they're all at the venue. They're all at the show together. Yeah.

Like I hate when I got a rapper that I love and he got a dope record and or a few records and it's a bunch of features. And then they got to perform just their verse. And it's like, yeah. The record don't hit the same. Like I like homies verse too. You know what I'm saying? So now if y'all on tour. Exactly.

All come out on each other's set, do the records. Like, it just makes for a better experience. You know what kind of be interesting, and especially with them, instead of doing like a list of, all right, you go first, you go second, you go third, you go headline. Like, why can't it be two Banks records and then two Rand records? Then Benny comes out and does two records. Like, why can't y'all just keep rotating? Like, that would be an ill live playlist to me. If you could go through the whole thing and you never really know what song is next.

Yeah. And it's not a full set. Like, all y'all get together and I hate the word. curate that playlist and it just comes in and out and then you come in on your verse on this shit and go back oh yeah that could be like a really ill idea y'all be on the stage anyway when the person's performing so yeah kind of like summer jam that year when wayne brought nicky and drake out and it's kind of like we're just going to play joints like yeah do it like that i think that would be a really ill show idea that would be dope and to not do the same old structure here's my 10 songs

yeah change the structure yeah change the structure up there yeah jy j my ds DJ, day DJ. And not even on some verse of shit. Just literally just. No, we're just playing joints. Playing joints going through. Like, I like that. I think rapists should start thinking like that.

And like, let me go to my deeper cuts. The three of us do our deeper cuts right here. Then we go to our bigger record. Like, yeah, like that could be ill, especially with, we ran Banks, Griselda. Those type of rapists, yeah, for sure. So listen, if y'all do that, just, I mean, I just ask for at least one, one ticket, maybe a plus.

Yeah, give me, give Roy a plus one, man. And I could go. But is there anything else we do have to hit? I mean, we will be back in a few days. I think that's enough for today. We're coming right back. So whatever we didn't hit. Yeah.

We'll hit it on the turnaround. Damaris, anything? No, good. Good. I see the vibes you try to give them today. I see you got the belt out. He's been fucking with you all day. He been all day.

I know. I'm not going to say where she went this weekend. But again, I've known Demaris for a long time. I'm in charge of editing. I'm not being you know. no attention. All right, man. I'm always bad at any of these things.

Goodbye. This was great. Yeah, I mean, have fun. Be safe. For the next three days, we'll be right back. Yeah, that's all this. And, yeah, we'll talk to y'all soon. Basley says bye.

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