New Rory & MAL - Episode 208 | Reviewing The Drake Reviews

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

It’s been a weekend of podcast beef. First we get reviewed by Azealia Banks. Then it’s time to get into our thoughts on ‘For All The Dogs’. Rory and Mal disagree on the album. We go in depth on features, sequencing, comparing it to his discography, etc. Then it’s time to talk about Drake’s comments about the other pod, which leads to another interesting discussion. In more music news, Rory went to North Carolina over the weekend for Little Brother’s Block Party. Somehow Mal asks us about our thoughts on Candace Owens. It’s time for voicemails. We help give today’s caller career advice. Tune in as the guys discuss all of this + more!Follow The Team:Rory - https://www.instagram.com/thisisrory/Mal - https://www.instagram.com/mal_bytheway/Eddin - https://www.instagram.com/thankyoueddin/Julian - https://www.instagram.com/julian__nicholas/Demaris - https://www.instagram.com/demarisagiscombe/Merch: https://newrorynmal.com/Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalYouTube Subscribe: https://rb.gy/hk7up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We also have our regular merch available as well there. But if you come to our shows, you get this shirt. Only at the show. And your girl, boy, or they can all walk with their hips like that in this shirt. Limited edition. No, Worry and Ma! Someone's going to tell Rory and Moll that their show is like not it at all. Like, it's so cringe listening to Rory.

Like, be the token like I and do his, like, trash bill burn impressing. And, I mean, Ma, like, with the fat vegan stuff, like, okay, no. Like, you can't be a fat vegan. It's just, like, no. Julian guy, I mean, he's fine, but, like, ew. Like, I'd much rather look at Julian than listen to him talk. That, like, this weird, drawn-out, like, draggy, like hipster, like, ah. Like, who kiss a fuck?

And Demaris just wants to be liked. She just really wants to be like, you know, like, what has being a likable, polite, black woman that, like, actually gotten anyone? It's like, yeah, the voice is a little like, I'm sorry. You guys are cool. But the Roryan Mall Show fucking sucks. That was our sister in Christ, Zilia Banks. giving us some encouragement to get this podcast all started off right. Yeah.

Oh, man. Thanks, Azealia. Sometimes you just need like some encouragement. Yeah. Look yourself in the mirror and get an honest opinion. And what a better one from Azalea back? Seems to be a lot of honest opinions floating around. It's funny how honest opinions can have like a, the effect that you don't want it to have.

Yeah. Why are people mad at honest opinions? Well, I'm not mad at honest opinions. I'm just confused sometimes if the show is trash, why did you want to come on here and plug your products? Ooh. Ooh. See, now y'all like gas in this.

I'm asking a simple question because I like Azealia Banks, and I laughed at that. I even put a little heart on it. On the story? You put it hard on the story? Because Azealia's done this a bunch of times. Like, this is nothing in my life. I just found it kind of funny.

Edon, how do you feel that you got left off the control disc? She knew better That's what I'm going to say I think yeah I think that's what it is She knew better Maybe next year you'll be She's literally

Oh yeah next year I'm okay Yeah Now you know I felt with But thank you for the box Young Miami I got a compliment That was nice

I mean I guess How cares Julian Maul how are you feeling How did you feel about the rant Do you feel inspired Being a fake view You feel like you want to give The craziest takes

Of all time now Yeah Yeah like I want to Totally just disrespect people in their craft for no reason. Okay. Yeah.

She says you've been eating meat in peace. It's all the sugar you're being quiet. They're going crazy on like... On meat? Just down in bottles of honey and shit like that. Like hiding chicken from your love one. Your cheat meals, honey? Yeah.

Just drink honey. I can't stop drinking it. Animal products. Just eating fucking just loaves of Wonderbread and shit like that. Wonderbread is sick. You make so much money. Are all vegan skinny, though? I don't know if that's true.

Listen, man, you know, people, you know, you know. I don't know, man. It's just a weird time in the world. A lot of people are dealing with shit because you have a phone in your hand and can upload to social media and people can hear things,

that's like an outlet. So it's like, sometimes you're just the subject of an outlet. I'm not mad at it. You know, she said what she said. I mean, you know, continue prayers to her and hopefully she's okay and, you know. I thought maybe you would leave like a really long paragraph

under one of her photos. Yeah. I can't. I don't, when, when, when, I don't know. I'm a little older than y'all, man. I can't get into it. I can't go back and forth with anybody on the internet.

Yeah, you guys shoot. I definitely can't go back and forth with anybody. I can't go back and forth with women. I can't do that. Over, there's only one exception for you. Michael Jeffrey Jordan. That's the only time you'll go back and forth in the internet. Yeah.

But even that's not with women. That's always with like, like, like, yeah, that's what a bunch of like. Well, yeah, drama and lake. But, I mean, I just can't. I'm at a disadvantage a lot of times, man, because I can't jump out of who I am just because I have a show. And I'm not a kid.

This is not a character. I'm not. Well, I'm indifferent with the whole you can't go back and forth with a woman. I think it's weird when men get really loud and disrespectful when they're having a war of words with women. I think that's odd behavior. But I think you're allowed to engage in a disagreement with a woman respectfully. Yeah. Well, I mean, she gave her opinion on, you know, the show on us.

And, you know, I mean, cool. Listen, that's your opinion. not great. You know, I'm just, I go further than that. It's, it's glad to see your okay, I guess, and, you know, still Azealia. Yeah. Still like some of the products that you gave us. Yeah, like, you know, some of the soaps was dope. That's damn I'm, I could be a rapper. Yeah. Just write her copy. But she, you know, listen, man, it's all of, um, is it? For me. Yeah, is it? Yeah, is it? Me, from, from my end, it's all love.

Define love. Meaning, like, I wish you the best. I want to see you do well. I want to see you happy. I want to see you healthy. I want to see you achieving all the dreams and aspirations you have, whatever you're selling, whatever you're creating, whatever you feel, you know. That is love. Love. You know what I mean? Success. It's all nothing with me. I don't, I don't, not negatively, not positively. I simply do not care. I didn't even hear it until

y'all played it from me. I don't, like, that shit doesn't even reach my radar. I just don't, I just don't pay attention to a lot of the... Adlas, huh? You muted her stories? No, I just don't, I don't, I really don't pay attention to a lot of the shit, bro. I really, it's just a bunch of, it's just weird. Like people, because somebody says something somewhere else and now they're popping in the algorithms.

Now somebody's going to say something about you to get in that algorithm. It's like, I don't play the algorithm game, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? I just don't, that's just weird to me. Like, that's like going outside and like people fighting and then you go outside and throw a water balloon. It's like, yo, you could have stayed your bitch ass in the house with that dump. Is that what that correlated to?

I mean, it is. It's like, I get what he's saying. You want somebody. to turn and pay your attention and then come fight you. And it's like, I'm not going to be the one to, you know what I'm saying? Like, that shit is crazy. It's weird, bro. It's like a lot of weird shit going on.

And then the thing as I always notice is once all of this weird shit is over, you go back and look at it and be like, why did I entertain that shit? Oh, that always happens. So that's why I learned from that and I don't entertain the shit in the moment. Like, it's in a moment, it's current. You know, the algorithms. This is popping. And then two weeks later, you like, that was corny as fuck.

Why the fuck did I even jump in that shit? I mean. Like, I just can't do shit for the moment where I'm not one of those for the moment niggas. Like, I just, I cannot do that. Well, critiques and exchanges and sensitivity was the theme of this weekend, I feel like. So we fit right into the algorithm

next to Azealia. Listen, what happened to the times when niggas just listen to music and just enjoyed it or didn't like it? There was a time like that? Do you know how many people called my phone and threatened me that I better not like this Drake album? That's funny.

Now, my jude, I didn't even, I didn't listen to the album until Saturday night. Wow. Like, didn't hear anything. Like, you had hit me. Yes. And I was like, yo, bro, I didn't even listen to. I wasn't one of the people that threatened you not to love. No, no, no, no, no.

I was actually hoping you would come in here and love it so we could have somewhat of a debate. Well, back to that word love. Love is a strong word. Love is a strong word. But I will say this. After Saturday, when I listen to it, are we going to get into it now? You want to just get right into it? We can.

All right. We can. I also want to hear about the people that threaten you not to like it, though. I mean, there was just people calling. No. It was like you. It wasn't that type of threat. It was more so like, yo, I know you ain't feeling this shit.

There's no way you, I know that's your boy, but you ain't feeling. And I'm like, bro, I haven't even listened yet. Well, did they start saying that? First of all, niggas set alarms to wake up at 6 a.m. That's crazy. You don't got to say niggins. No, no, no. You texted me at 6.30 in the morning.

No, I know. I know a lot of people that really woke up to download. I'm like, there's no way I'm waking the best 6 a.m. I'm not going to let Drake fuck on my sleep schedule. I was down to sleep. So it was like, I'm not doing that. And then I go back to, you know, when, honestly, nevermind came out. And we went Mexico.

People going crazy. I hate this shit. This is trash. And I'm just like, you know, it just came out four hours ago. It hasn't even been a weekend. Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, I just don't remember when that was like, I know we're in a reactive time. and everybody wants to be the first to say something

and, you know, everybody wants to be the first to say, oh, this is trash. And if you don't say it's trash, that means you pandering because you're going to Toronto this week and you ain't trying. I'm just like, I didn't even listen to the album yet. Like, what the fuck of y'all talking about? Yeah, I'm like, yo, what are you guys talking about?

Like, I have nothing like, there's nothing two times three to talk about. Well, before we get into the album, you would know better than me because for the most part, I did grow up in the social media age to some degree with MySpace. Yeah.

Facebook. People still gave music opinions pretty quickly on there. But the time I remember before that, I felt like we ran to the CD store and gave opinion pretty quickly. It changed because you were also forced to listen to it because you had to carry around a big ass CD booklet and sometimes you would just with that album no matter what. And you grew to like things better. But there still was that in the era before us that people reacted quickly.

It was more in person. The barbershop, whether it was outside, whether it was at school, lunch table. It wasn't in four hours, though. That's just, that's the change of climate. Yeah, but it's just not everyone at that time had a megaphone in her hand. That's what it is. Everybody feels like they have a platform. Everybody feels like they have a voice.

Everybody feels like they want to go via. No, they do not. It's not a feel. They do. If you have a phone, if you have social media, you have a voice. That's not true. That's not true. I feel like a meme killed Chances album.

For sure. I love my wife. Video meme shit. I felt like that killed his rollout. pretty quickly. I mean, he did a good job. So, and that was probably, that was from a nobody. It just went viral.

So, like, I kind of feel what Julian is saying. These people know they don't have a voice or even probably have the background to accurately try to critique something. They're usually just doing it so they can go viral. But they have a voice and somewhat of an impact for people that look at social media for their opinions. I'm going to say something funny. I remember one time somebody's album had dropped.

I'm not going to say the dude's name. Right. But then somebody went on social media and was like, this album is fucking terrible. So I hit them. I'm like, damn, it's whack. He said, bro, I didn't even listen yet. I'm just trying to start a fire online. I believe it.

That had to be Roy like. Come on. There's always enablers. But this is somebody that people would probably be like, yo, they have good taste of music. Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? So when that happened, I'm like,

I wonder how many other people do this. A lot of people do that. Because I could have easily went on Twitter and be like, I don't know, bro, this is kind of shaky. And I didn't even listen to the album yet. So Saturday night. You understand? And that would have gained some traction.

People would have been jacking it. Like, yeah, this shit. I know that that happens a lot because I've seen people do it. I've seen people say this album's whack and they didn't even hear the album. It's like, yo, you just, the album just came out three hours ago. Like, have you even, like, brushed your teeth yet? Like, it's just a lot of weird shit. But I get it.

And at the same time, art is to be critiqued. If you're a consumer and you purchase something and you buy something, you have the freedom and the right to say, I like it. I don't. Whether it's clothes, whether it's sneakers, whether it's food. Like, if I order something, I buy it. I don't like it. I have the right and freedom to say that.

That's another thing. So I don't want people to feel like, you know, they can't have their opinion on music. Have an opinion on whatever you purchase and whatever you consume. But at the same time, understand what you're listening to, understand how long it took. It's just, it's fucked up because it's like somebody that took a year and a half to create this art. And in 20 minutes, it can be shitted on. I feel like the hype around music is just not what it used to be. So I enjoyed watching a bunch of people get high.

and set their alarms. It brought us together for better or worse. Yeah, I mean, I didn't like marriage. Kind of like marriage, right? I didn't wake up at 6 a.m. But I thought it was cool that Drake got that many people to want to do that for music. That doesn't happen that often. I laughed all Friday reading tweets.

You were up, Ma'all? You got up? At 6 a.m.? You slept in like your Nocta Nike Tech. I fucking, I was sleep. I wouldn't know what was that. When I woke up, we had war, Drake album drive, it was all kind of shit going on. I was like, well, I got some good sleep.

Listen. But I will say that it was entertaining to see people. people on social media go back and forth about the album on Friday and, you know, have their opinions. Like, seen a lot of funny tweets. But let's get to it. So where do you stand on it? Well, do you still stand where you stand it Friday or Friday when you hit?

What did you listen to it, Rory? I listened to it on 630. No, Friday, 631. Around noon or something. And I listened to it throughout the weekend. Dead ass. Mm-hmm. He said, Ellis knew it around.

I got to it around one. I mean, I had stuff to do. Like, the fucking hell. All right. Wait, first of all, when I wake up on Fridays, regardless, I always go to new music and, like, it's not just Drake. You just sound like you were a little better than us for a moment. And it was only like six hours.

I'm 100% better than you guys for setting your alarm at 6 a.m. I didn't send my alarm. I didn't. I feel like I'm better than, yes. I wake up at 7 to go to the gym by 7.30. So when I was up, the album was out, I played it at the gym. It's not really a gym music, so it didn't really hit that. You didn't really hit that.

That's cool. My first, my first, first take off the first listen was, wow, that kind of took some effort to get through. And I know that sounds very negative, but I don't mean it in that, that negative of a way, but it was surprising because it was the first Drake album that's ever felt somewhat like a chore to finish. It's long.

And it's long as fuck. Pause. It's just too many fucking records. I can't even go back. Because most Drake albums do get better with time. Like, they age pretty well. And it takes a few listens to really get into them. I don't know where to go back.

It's like an hour and a half. And the middle drags so much that if you just trim the fat, I don't think there's a terrible album here at all. like Certified Love a Boy? Yes. But I gave a critique of Certified Lover Boy. This makes Certified Lover Boy look like Thriller. That's sick. Well, I only ask you that could certify Love a boy is the same amount of tracks. It didn't feel. It dragged. And here's the thing. Like, there is

great records on here. But there's so many like duplicates. And I don't know, maybe that could change the more I listen to it. I could get into some of the records. but especially from like 7-9-69 I love love it wait you know like nothing before that no no no I'm gonna get there I'm saying starting at starting at number seven was number eight is where the album started to decline for me not in quality of music it just drags like if you listen like if you listen to try it our best on its own fire fucking fire great fucking record but when you sandwich it with slime you out Bahama promises screwing the world interlude, which is dope, but so unnecessary. Drew a Picasso, members only. I am asleep.

Individually, they are good records. But you got to take out, screw the world. It's pointless. Yeah, that didn't make any sense. Bahama promises is cool. That would be like a cool Lucy for Drake on SoundCloud. Yeah. Pointless in this album. Like, you should just focus on the same PPMs, but the better records. You don't need Bahama promises. You have tried our best. What, uh, Roy, what? You have members only. Why would you need all these other ones? What record did he introduce the radio part? Because we discussed that, that it just seemed like he was mixing creative ideas

and halfway through the album introduced a radio station that didn't exist prior to. It was odd. Either commit to the radio theme or... He started the radio part at 7969. Which is what, seven records in, eight records in? Why was that the beginning of the radio station? It was just confusing and either don't have it

or commit to every other record. having somewhat of that radio theme to get into the next. So are you saying that you don't like the songs? You don't like the structure. You don't like the sequencing. You don't like the direction of the album. You don't like the, like, what are you saying? It's too many records that sound too similar.

Like, it dragged to the point where you can get rid of almost half of these and have a pretty decent album. Yeah. I hear. It's just like, dude, you don't need Fear of Heights. You don't need fair heights at all. You don't need the Yit record. Mama promises, screw the world. All the parties, you don't need.

Which one is fair heights? Where he diss Rihanna. Yeah. You didn't like that record? No. I thought the anti-flip, like I see what he was trying to do. And you can have your opinions on if it was mature, if it was corny, or if Rocky needs to, you know, see Drake. That's, that's, you guys can decide on that.

I just didn't like the flip. I just thought it was just a bad flip. So you didn't like the song? No, I don't like that song. All the parties can go. BBL Love can go. Gently, I get it. You don't like BBL Love?

I never wanted to know if they loved Fred like they love Drake or love Ed like they love Drake or love Greg like they love Drake or love said like they love Drake. All right, that's one part of the song. What about the rest of it? Unnecessary. I'm not saying it's terrible, but there's so many other slower records on this album. Like, you don't need 15 slow records when you have five great ones. Right.

Polar Opposites, you could have just ended the album away from home. Nah, you bugging. I'm not what you're on that. Polar Opposite, it's not a bad song. Again, just unnecessary in the scope of the album. Like, there's 10 other records that sound like polar opposite. Yeah, it wasn't the usual go-off on a beat outro that we love from Drake. So to that, I think we could do with that.

Because it didn't, to Rory's point, didn't stand out. And gently, like, again, I get it. And it turned out a bad bunny. I don't get it. If Edden didn't like it, then it's not good. I can't get his Manny Pacquiao impression from the Espe's out of my head when I listen to that. That's pretty funny. Like it sounds like the amazing parody he did for the Espies.

It sounds like a joke. So I did. He did smoke that's good though. Believe it or not, I think Rich Baby Daddy is fire. Fire song. I think it's really good. Superfire. It's great song.

As soon as I heard it, I was like, DeMara's going to love this shit. What the fuck? Am I lying? You let your coochie breathe all weekend. For sure. I don't mind calling for you. with 21, but I feel like daylight is a better record, and you could just have daylight there. I agree.

Virginia Beach or Amen, pick one. Dumb. Amen. Amen too. I think Amen could start the album. I like the Frank Ocean flip with Virginia Beach. Don't get me wrong, but I feel like it's not necessary when Amen was way better and could have started the album out.

Tizo smoked everything he did on this album. For sure. Tizo, to me, was by far the biggest highlight on here. I feel like Virginia Beach outside of sexy redden. It is the weakest Drake opener of every album. Wait, besides which one? It's the weakest. Oh, yeah, no, it definitely.

The weakest. By far. It doesn't even feel like an intro per se. Maybe Virginia Beach would make better sense somewhere else in the album. It just doesn't hit as an intro, and I didn't really care. So what it sounds like to me, which is probably one of the things that I took from it, I said the sequencing to me could have been better. Like I would have, I would have shuffled some of the songs around.

just the way it flowed. But surprisingly, I like the album. I think the album is really good, actually. It's like out of 21, because it's two interludes, so 23 tracks, 21 songs. I like probably 15 of them. I like Virginia Beach. I like Amen Matizzo's crazy.

I like the calling for you record. Fear of Heights, I like. Daylight was okay. First person shoot is crazy. I don't give a fuck what you eat was okay. Seven, nine, six, nine to me is crazy. Slime you out. I knew it was going to sound good on the album.

I said it was an awkward feature, single when they put it out. Bahama promises, to me, that's a classic Drake sound whenever he can just go off on a beat. Try it out best to me is crazy. Drewa Picasso, to me, is some of Drake's best bars. Drewa Picasso is fucking incredible.

Drake and Party is Mike and Pipman, as far as I'm concerned with the songs that they have together. Members Only is fucking crazy. What will Pluto do is crazy to me. I like all the parties with Chief Keith. 8 a.m. and Charlotte, we know how we feel about that. B.B. I love the interlude. I liked it. I have all the parties taken off in my track list.

Oh, really? How it should go. It was, I don't want to say a waste of a Chief Keith feature, but when I saw Chief Keith when he put out the track list, that was the song I was probably the most excited about. I think that's all we were going to get like a up-tempo hard record. Right, right. And listen, I'm never mad at doing the opposite of what people are expecting, especially with an artist like Chief Keith,

but like he didn't give me, what's on, uh, yes. Well, hold my liquor. Hold my liquor. Like the way Yew's Chief Keith in that regard is what I would have preferred Drake to do if he was going to go that route.

And it just, it was a, how long was his verse? Like 15 seconds? It didn't even feel like it should have been there. Gently with Bad Bunny. I mean, we know what that song was going to do, but not on this project. rich baby daddy we know what that's going to do fire another late night i don't know how you don't like that record it's cool it's um it's it's very god's planish away from home to me is crazy

and polar opposites i like oh you really love so i listen i listened to the album once i got away from because when we got what was the single we got uh slime you out and then it in i was like first of all the dogs i remember me saying like yo he's gonna give us that all rap that entire rap even though he said he never would do it. I thought this was it. All his albums since more life have kind of sounded like a playlist to me. This, but this one not only sounded like the way it sequenced, it felt like a playlist as well. But aside from that, I mean, I don't, it's a lot of good songs on here for me for you to take and put on your own playlist. So I just don't know what people, I think people wanted more rap. And I can agree with that.

I wanted more rap. But Drew Pocasso is a lot of rap. It's a lot of other songs, 8 a.m. Charlotte, A lot of rap. Away from home. Rapping. Polar opposites. Rapping. If you scroll up, I can see the rest of the names of the,

what would Pluto do? Like, this is rapping on here. Now, the music may be a lot of keys and a lot of, you know, melodies and things like that

to where it's like, but that's still classic Drake rapping over Bahamas promises or tried out best. Seven, nine, six, now I don't know how you don't like that. No, when Tizo got,

those will be done. You weren't listening. At first, I started saying, I started saying 7-9-69. I like it a lot. T-Zo, T-Zo. That's hard. That's just music, man. I like music, man.

I get it. We want to hit Drake. What you want to hit Drake on Alchemist? Me too. You want to hit Drake on a bunch of hard hit boy. Me too. But at the end of the day, this is good music. It's a lot of good songs on here.

I mean, I didn't look at all the credits, but this album felt like the album 40 may have had the least to do with, and I don't know that to be a fact that I could be completely wrong, and you could flood my mentions and say, look, 40 did every song. Just saying, listening to it, it felt like this album was the least hands-on 40 has been. And I know. It's a lot of loops, a lot of regular drums. Like, so when you say, yeah, of course, I would love to hear Drake on all his producers as well, I'll start by saying I would love to hear Drake back on the regular 40 EP production. Like this didn't sound like 40s mixing

It didn't sound like his beats It felt like Drake grabbed a bunch of different beats From a bunch of different people And that's why it doesn't feel like an album It feels like a playlist It feels like he was going through B-Packs And I don't think I've ever heard a Drake album That sounded like he was going through beat packs

It sounded like he YouTube Drake type beat. It's um You know And this is another way I listen to it If a bunch of other artists had Any one of these songs on their albums Niggas be on it. This would be those songs, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Those songs would be the standout songs on those albums. Sure. So we're comparing Drake to Drake. That's all we should do with artists of his caliber. Right. So it's like, I understand that because we're comparing him. He's one of the greatest ever. So we're comparing him to his last efforts to what we deem his most classic projects.

But at the same time, we've got to be fair. Like, this is how many albums, how many years? Aid Studio. How many songs? Free back to back. I get it. When I heard for all the dogs, I thought he was talking to rap niggas like me.

I said, yo, he's fine. He's going to give us. He's going to shut these niggas up saying he can't really rap, which I don't know how people still say that. But people say it. And I'm like, this is going to be the album. I feel like that was y'all like. Definitely projecting because when I heard that,

I immediately thought about him dog and women. Like, that's immediately what came to my brain. Like, for all the dogs. Yeah, but cool. And then people keep asking for old Drake. He's about to start singing. But that too. That's what I thought with Slime You Out in 8 a.m. in Charlotte, I thought we were correct because it could have two men. For the dogs, for the guys that like rap, and then dogging women out, which slam you out is about. I thought it was the perfect mixture of that is what was going to come here. And I just feel like that didn't happen. Yeah, the content is about dogging chicks out. I've just heard him dog chicks out better.

True. And I think, in pause, I think Drake for the first time in his career is being spread too thin. He's put out. He's been on a crazy album run. He's put out three albums in a very short amount of time. He's on a world tour. He's doing a lot. And I think to the point of the sequencing of this album, he recorded a lot of this while he was on the tour. Where's Kevin Durant?

So that's, and that's the other thing. Kevin Durant, I get it. I know Kevin Durant did not A&R. I know Kevin Durant did not A&A. Well, yeah, so I get it. For the look, it's cute. Put your friend on the album. That's great, nice.

It's obvious that Yadi was the prime person in charge or at the helm of this project. Yeah. And I don't know this to be true at all. This is me. Possibly spreading a false rumor. I apologize. This is very girlish of me. I did hear that this album was very much on the rap side, on the harder side, on shooting at other rapper side. And Yaddy stepped in and we have this album now. Okay. That the direction did start to change once Yadi got involved. And I'm not saying if that's for better for worse because I did not hear any of the rap album that maybe exists.

could be making this completely up. It was just told to me. But I don't know, man. Maybe Yaddy should have waited for the next one. Listen, I would have liked some rap. But he was so involved on her loss and it was perfect. Like what Yadi did on her loss was very necessary and great. Also to your point, and I wanted to ask,

Mall, after listening to this, do you feel like Drake is probably needs a break and is a little tired? Because her loss, we haven't spoken highly about enough. That album is so good. And I was like, all right, Drake is back in shape. He's good to go. This sounds like compared to her loss, he's exhausted and he should take a break. I'm not going to say that.

I think that he deserves a break. I think what he did is we've never seen anything like it as far as just consistency and, you know, just over the years just putting out great songs, great music, great albums, touring, you know, features with other artists. Drake has been, you know, what he's been doing over the past, what, 15 years, maybe, is just, it's incredible. And so he deserves a break. He deserves some time off, you know, let me see what y'all listen to when Drake is gone. Take two, take three years off.

Don't put nothing off of three. Travel the world. Spend time with your son. Have another kid if you, if they choose to do that. But he deserves a break. Drake deserves to disappear. and, you know, because when you get to this level that he's at, obviously, you're fighting against your ghost, your stats that you put up already in your career, and people are holding

you to that every time out, which is what they're supposed to do, but at the same time, it's not necessarily fair all the time, which is cool to it as part of the game because your wins are heavily, heavily outweigh your losses. So he deserves a break. And I think that this album, you know, is he already said he's going to take a year off at least, focus on his health. I guess spend time with the family and things like that. But he deserves a break. He deserves time to just disappear and let people just, you know, compare him to what he's

already put up, debated online, debated on podcast. He deserves that break for us. I'm not going to say he needs a break. I wouldn't say that. But he definitely deserves a break. I mean, I know we covered most of the album on the music side. What do you think of the content? of Drake being at this point in his career, this age, this point in his life, and we don't know,

we don't know him, but this point in his life. What y'all want? Y'all want Drake to get y'all 4-4. He's 36 years old. Okay. Yeah, we got a while. See, I don't like that take because when I had a, and we'll get to the Joe exchange in a second, I had a review similar to what Joe said when CLB came out. And I said, no, I don't want 444 from Drake. I don't want a super mature Drake. Like, he's a superstar. What would you want to hear? Just a step above, oh, my God, the girl that I met on Instagram betrayed me.

Like, oh, shit. Seriously? You didn't see that one coming? You can say that about anything an artist says, though. What do you mean? If any artist was to say that, you can say that. Not just great. Yeah, but not an artist is great.

I just think you can mix it. But that's my point. I think he's held at such a different. Yes, because he earned it. It is. It's, it's. Yes, he does. What do you mean, did it?

But that's what I'm saying? Is that fair for the consumers and for the fans to say, yo, I don't want to hear you talk. Okay, so what would you like to hear, Drakeson? Well, that's the thing. I want to hear you talk about being the father. I want to hear you talk about getting married. I don't want to get married.

I don't think it's a matter of hearing them talk about those things. I just think it's a matter of maturing. I'm not saying you have a kid now. I only talk about being a father. I think there's just a progression. Like when as your life progresses, as you become more of an adult, as you become a better version of yourself or a worse version of yourself.

Or a worse version of yourself. The thing with like Jay Cole that he gets met, like he was the college kid rapping about going to school and I'm going to get a record deal. And then we're seeing different chapters of his life as the artist grows. He grows. His music grows. Drake's, I think to what Roy's saying. But that's not who Drake is though. But it's just stagnant. And he sounds like he's kind of like hyper chambered in this like 25 year old era of like I'll buy the world. I have a jet. And you're my girl. I hate you too now. And here's the thing. I'm not. I'm not on the side fully of everyone that was saying, I need the matured, fully mature break. I just would have liked some balance within it

because the entire album is either, I have way more money than you, which is fine. That's hip-hop. And true. And true. Way more money than you. Or this bitch did, I did dirty. Ha-ha, but it's really her fault.

It's called for all the dogs. I'm fine with both of those things, but balance it with some other shit. Like what? But you don't. Like what? shit, even on Scorpion, side B, you get a jaded, you get the content that's on for all the dogs,

but you also get a March 15th. You also get where he was at. Yeah, blue tent. The last time I feel like Drake was really talking about his current life was when he was beefing with Collier West. That's when I think we got the most vulnerable Drake. This isn't vulnerable Drake. You talk about his pool.

This is, and again, I'm not saying it's bad, but this is Drake just doing what he knows has worked in the past in the content that he's doing. It doesn't feel like it's actually happening. What doesn't feel like it's? It almost feels like when I used to say, I don't think Future even pops Molly or does Perkinset. I think this is just the character that he puts out and he's probably a pretty straight-edge guy. But he knows it works. I think now that's the place Drake is in with his own content.

It's a bunch of broad topics of shit that's working for. What did he say that you don't think he's doing? it's the same old, this bitch did me dirty. Or I'm richer than everyone. Whereas even on Scorpion, you got that content, but we really knew how frustrated Drake was, where he was at in his career. There was so much more content of the current state.

And maybe that is just it right now. And as a consumer, I'm okay to say, not really for me, just too much of it. There's just a few songs of that content I will listen to. I don't need 23 records of that. All of that. If it's 23 records and it's a bunch of different topics, cool. But one and a half topics?

I'm rich and she left me. Or I left her. The ethos of her loss was in the same vein as what for all the dogs is. It was just done better. It was done much better. It was done much better. He's saying the same shit on her loss as he's saying on it. But it's just you could tell they really, there was so much more effort.

And I think collaboratively between him and 21 where they really nailed the messaging of that album, which isn't too different than the messaging. To me, that's what I'm saying. I think her loss was more of a concise direction. You understand? I think this album was something where he was like, I'm on tour. The last show was October 6th in Toronto. I'm going to drop the album, October 6.

I think he had these songs. I don't think, obviously, he was on tour. So aside for maybe the sexy red verse, I think that was probably inserted within the last three weeks, maybe. the cold verse was probably inserted in the last month or two. But I think for the most part, most of this album was already done for, way before he went on tour. I think this album been done over a year.

I think a lot of these songs were songs he already had. And I think he was like, let me just compile all of them, put some type of, add some verses here and there, and then put it out. To me, that's the difference between how her loss sounds and how this one sounds. Her loss sounds like more tight-knit, him in 21. We know what we're doing every time. This one was like, I got a bunch of joints that's dope, left over. Add some verses here and there from some people.

Put it on the album. I think Drake needs enemies. And I think... You don't think he has enough? No, I think he's creating enemies just to try to fuel... Content himself. He's looking for inspiration. Yeah, because if you look through...

He's creating enemies? What enemies is... That's not a bad point. I like... Because if you look at... After you get from like, take care... Nothing was the same. What was obviously driving him was like any other rapper or artist.

You're trying to be the best of your craft. You're new to the game. You have to prove yourself. That's enough chip on your shoulder that you can fuel. But once you get to, if you're reading this, the enemies come and then we get views, which was fucking incredible. Then we get Scorpion because of Kanye. Like, every time Drake, I think, has put out great music, he's had an enemy to fuel him.

Like we can hear and I don't hear I hate the word hunger but I don't hear that hunger in the last project He's put out great music since he came out What are you talking about?

He's been putting out great music since we heard him I agree That's what I'm saying You get so far going Thank me later, take care That's on your rise Like you have hunger

Just because you need to prove yourself And after nothing was the same Drake proved himself After if you're reading this It was solidified And I'm saying We could have gotten more of a decline after that,

had Meek not lit a fire, had Kanye not lit a fire. Drake was obsessed after that. He would say he was obsessed after that. He's been vocal about that, and he hasn't had a situation where he's had to prove himself in a very long fucking time.

That's why I said C.L.B. sounded like a parody of himself, like he was just recreating his old hits. You know, certified lover boy, it's cool, but it's what it is. He has not been motivated, I feel like. And I'm projecting on someone I do not know, and he could have been motivated. But there's not, there's been nothing to prove.

And it's starting to show in the music because for his entire career, he's always had something to prove. And once he didn't have anything to prove, he then had to prove that he wrote. He had to prove it to meek. Then once that settled, Kanye West comes in. Now I got to prove I'm better than the greatest of all time. Now he has absolutely nothing to prove. And it's in the music. That's where I think you just get content of just regular.

IG bitches and I have a plane. I think that it's to a point where he's been so good for so long, just like with anything else with boxers, with basketball players, with teams that are just great and dominant. It gets to a point where the people want to see you lose. They want to see you get defeated. They want to see somebody take over that spot. They want to see somebody challenge you and knock you off your throne. I think that's where it's feeling like that's where people may be.

be now. And I'm sure Drake feels that. Like, people are waiting for him to lose. They're waiting to see him stumble. Like, they're doing it forever. Like, that's, that's my point. So it's like, for him to perform and execute and be as consistent and deliver, knowing that for at least the past six, seven years, people have been waiting for him to decline or fall off or, you know, not be the best and not sell the most and not have the biggest songs. And year after year, he keeps proving that, that he's still the biggest artist. I think that this album is just a reflection of people saying, okay, if we're ever going to say this is the one where he fell off,

this is the one. And that's what it feels like. It feels like people were waiting to say, okay, yep, this is it. This is the album where he fell off. This is the album where, you know, when you saw Mike kind of like miss a shot and missed the playoffs. Like this is, to me, this is the album that I think people were waiting on the point at. And I think they're doing it prematurely because I do think the album is going to grow on a lot of people.

I do think a lot of the songs is going to grow on a lot of people. Same thing with honestly, never mind. People hated it. Now you see people playing that album. They love that album. I just think this is one of those things. But I think that people were expecting a different direction, a different sound, a different more rapping. I think people had their expectations that they placed on this album due to people like Yaddy saying,

some of Drake's best verses is on here. He's doing some of the best rapping. ever done. Like, we were hearing things leading up to this where it was just heightening our expectation like, okay, this is going to be the one where we're like, all right, he rapping his motherfucking ass off the whole project. I feel like that ruined shit too, though. Of course you got to stop talking.

People involved with albums have to stop talking about the album before it comes out. Well, for sure. But that's a part of them rolling out. I know, but it also ruins it. Yeah, but for Drake, he doesn't need that. Drake doesn't need a rollout. He doesn't, but he never needs a rollout, but he's also very good at getting the cultural consciousness and like getting everyone's attention.

Oh, he's one of the biggest artists. As soon as he announced he's in the studio recording, that's it. People go start anticipating the project. That's just the type of artist he is. I'm saying that because you place your expectations on what something is going to sound like or what you think is going to feel like. And then it doesn't mean it's trash. That doesn't mean it's bad.

And that's what I was doing. When I listened to it, I'm like, okay, let me remove what I thought it was going to sound like and just listen to the music. And I'm listening. And I'm like, these are not bad song. And it's someone there that I probably won't go back to. But it's a lot that I've been playing. And I'm like, bro, this song is, when I heard Drew Picasso, I went online because I didn't see nobody talking about it.

I haven't stopped. And I'm like, yo, who the fuck? Nobody's even talking about this song? There's a good record. To me, I heard that. And I was like, bro, this to me is some of his best rapping. Okay, but, all right, to your point, going in with an expectation, I can also... say, all right, you can do the it's not for me thing

just because it's not the rapping I wanted, doesn't make it trash. I agree with you there. But I also have the right as a fan to say, I don't like this type of content from you at this point. And that's fine. Of course. It shouldn't define Drake as a lot.

You shouldn't define his career. But when you start to tell me why, when you start to tell me why you don't like it, now I'm looking at you like, oh, so you're putting your expectations on something and because it wasn't that, now you think it's terrible. to me that's where

I can understand consumers go wrong. But also I'm entitled as a fan to not have expectations per se but to say, yes, I would like maybe a bit more maturity from an artist that I've been listening to

since I was 16. I'm 33. That's not a crazy expectation to ask of an artist, but I'm not saying Drake has to do that. People are holding and Drake to such a level because he is as great as he is. Yeah.

To where... But it also becomes unfair on the consumers part. Because we don't say, damn, you know, I want Wayne to kind of change his content. Wayne been talking about getting his dick suck for 19, 20 years on every album. I never heard nobody that say Wayne is top five. The greatest ever say, you know, Wayne got to change his content, though. I want to hear Wayne talking about getting married. I want to hear Wayne talking about being...

We don't say that about Wayne. And I understand when you're as great as Drake. You had a disadvantage because people expect so much for you. But I'm just saying this is where somebody like Drake can start to clap back at consumers and people on podcast because it's like, y'all only find shit to say negative about me. I'm not saying you got to love this project. Let's be very clear. I'm not saying that.

I'm just saying if you tell Drake, damn, I wasn't feeling this album. And Drake said, okay, that's cool. Tell me why you wasn't feeling it. Yo, you know, I really want to hear you just talk about like, you know, just being married and, you know, just like being a dad and, you know, like, stop talking my IG bitches all the time. But every other nigga that y'all love do it.

Yeah, but every other one that you call the greatest do it. Y'all ain't telling them to change their content. Y'all ain't telling them. When 4-4-4-4-drop people, you're shitting on hold. And then now they're looking at it like, yo, that was such a collectible piece of art because he really was trying.

So it's just like. Tabaski, huh? Well, I can only speak for me and not everyone else. I do hold Drake at a way higher level. We all do. So I've seen him. give us mature content. I've seen him give his

introspect. I've seen him give us fun records. I've seen him give us all this before. Now it feels like he's just giving us one thing and that one thing isn't probably the best topic for somebody of his age is what someone would critique in that regard. He's 36. But why do y'all think he make

music like for y'all? I don't think he is. I'm saying I'm only speaking for me and that right. To me this is his Magna Carta Holy Grail. Not a bad album from Jay, but that was when we finally were like, yo, we get it, bro, you're rich, you're talking about the same fucking thing over and over. Damn, that's...

The Bosciacho. Like, Magna Carta, again, not bad, but that, we all at that point was like, all, at that point, was like, all right, Jay's becoming extremely unrelated. He's on a lot of this point, and yeah, it felt, it felt that way. But because it's Jay, it's not going to be terrible, but it's lower in his catalog, because he was talking about one fucking subject the whole time, and that's how I feel about for the dogs. It's not a bad album, but it is the same. throughout the whole thing. I just feel like this album is more like going to Target. I went there to get deodorant.

Didn't expect to go get a beach chair. The same shit. Was that a J-Ref? Was that a- Yeah, 100? I'm just saying, you know how you go to Target? Did you dig a hole again? I'm just going in here to get some body wash.

Chair, chair. Get a pack of T-shirts, whatever, and I'm out. You get to the register, you got tied pods with you. You got bottles of water. That's what this, to me, that's what this album feels. Like, I went into it thinking like, this nigga gonna be rapping. 8 a.m. in Charlotte.

I'm like, yes, conductor beat. Do conductor got more tracks on the album. Played it and I'm like, okay. Benny X. Didn't have more conductor like I thought, didn't have as much rapping as I thought. But there's still good songs. There's a lot of good songs. It's at least for me, I'm only talking about for me.

At least 13 of these songs I really, really like. Am I toxic for really, really, really liking this album? Yes. Like, I like it more than. I like that. I like it more than T. Once you get away, like I said, C-O-B, I like it more than her loss.

Once you get away, once I got away from what I thought and expect it, and I'm just listening to the songs, I'm like, Drew a Picasso, to me, I'm just like, all right, fam. If it would have just been that out, I'm cool, because he's Drake, he don't got nothing else to prove at this point in this career. He just did a crazy tour. Like, he has nothing to prove. This is not an album where he's trying to prove anything.

Now, again, as consumers, art is to be critiqued. I'm all for it. If you hate it, say you hate it. If you love it, say you love it. indifferent, say you indifferent. But what I'm saying this is it's just not fair for consumers to place their expectation on the artist, and when

that artist doesn't give them what they expect it, they go to it's terrible or it's trash. That's all I'm saying. What did you think of the Joe and Drake exchange? Did I think of it? Yeah. I think this is a product of Drake realizing

or making it public that he doesn't fuck with dude because he knows dude doesn't really fuck with him it's a lot of personal shit there um dude kind of shitted on Drake on the come up

I know at one point he wanted a verse dude kind of never sent the verse back and kind of shunned him off a little bit because he was still young in the game and I think Drake is very he's one of the guys where it's like I'm gonna remember everybody that didn't

lend a hand or didn't extend the hand or when I extended my hand they didn't extend back on my come up because now it's I'm the big dog and everybody wants me to extend my and another thing I see people saying is he had he was making music for like young people

or making I don't know what that means um oh you're saying with Joe's comments he's rapping for the children yeah I don't know what that means he said I want to hear adult Drake rapping for adult people he's rapping for kids the streams the acculates he's ain't trying to rap for me.

And then he also did say I accept that. I mean, again, I had a very similar take to this when CLB came out. But I can understand the take that he's rapping for the children. This content could feel young. Which I applaud when the vets go and work with like a TZo touchdown or the Yeat kid. That's another thing. If he didn't do that,

y'all would say it's fucked up that he don't help none of the young artists. And he's been doing it. I wouldn't hold that against Drake. Yeah. I'm just saying a lot of people, a lot of people would, though. If he was one of the older artists, you know, he's considered one of the older artists, even though he's 36. If he didn't reach back and give verses to the 25-year-olds and the 28-y-olds, people like, yo, he don't fuck with none of the young dudes. So it's like, you damned if you do, damned if you don't. And them dudes ain't that young.

Tees-O, I think Sexy Red was the youngest artist on the album. She's 25. Tees-O is 29, I think. When we say young, like, we know T-Zo's been around for a little bit, but T-ZO, has arrived. Like, we're talking younger in career. And younger in the style of music they make. But that's not a stat for the biggest artists in the world to do that?

He is right. No. And fuck with dudes that's on to come up and give them light. I think that's cool. But I also think someone could critique and say balance it out a little bit more where the whole album shouldn't have the younger kid sound, the younger kid content, and the younger kid features. That's what.

That is an acceptable take if there is no balance when we've gotten so much balance. Who is the younger kid features though? It's four features on this album. yeah but i think i that's what i'm saying niggas is just niggas is just throwing shit at the wall hoping something to stick bro with the excuses of why they don't like this album precisely yo it's too many young niggins it's four artists on the album bad bunny sexy red scissors on there twice t's oh and fucking yawatt joe joe cole yeat those ain't young artists but do you think a lot of the sound is young as well though like what sounds young i don't think to me all my life for little dirk and j cole is a young sounding record all my life

young sound a record to me. None of these records on this album sound like that, so what does this young sound that niggas is talking about? You don't think the Yit record. The Yit record is definitely like a younger. I think daylight, which I like, is, daylight's fire. It's on the other side. Keep going. Calling for you.

Him and 21, do the younger sound very well. Same way they did on her loss. You think that was her loss record, by the way? Yes, I do. Yeah, it's definitely. Yeah, it's a throwaway. What would Pluto do is cool, but it's on the younger side. I like that song, but it's on the younger side. I think the content was more young than the music. The content gave young to me.

I still think of myself as young, so I like the content, but I think the content gave young more than the music. I mean, been that ass over. Hands on your knees. I like that song. No, yeah, that's just slap. That's probably the youngest sounding song in there because we know what that's for. That's for the clubs. That's for the girls in the dorm room shaking that. Oh, they're going to go crazy on TikTok. Oh, yeah. That ain't for us, fellas, but that's for us. That was going up in the sauna. Yeah, that ain't for us, but that's for us. It ain't for us. We can't get jiggery to that shit.

Yes, I can. Who? You're not going to do that in Toronto? Shake my ass? Yeah. I don't know what? Niggas to kick my ass in Toronto if I go out there twerker. You crazy.

Shake my ass. But not for Drake. She does say for me. For sexy red. Yeah. You have the option. You can choose. I'm not shaking my ass.

It's like choose your own career. Remember when Netflix you can choose what happens? Doc. How about this? How about you shake your ass and I watch? Whoa. Well, not you. Not you.

not you. I'm talking about the girls that are dancing and making those viral videos. Watch them shake their ass and then I can watch. I'm not shaking my ass. But that's the youngest sound of the record on the album to me. It is.

Wait, you're saying, I don't think that song sounds like that. The Yeet record sounds young. I think the Yeet record. Yeah, but the bounce record is the, you know, it's the, oh, I want to see that song in the part. During her on a break beat was cool. That for Drake and we haven't given much flowers.

Bro, listen, I like that. I know people, I know people want it, and I get it. I understand, man. as good as this dude has been for this many years. People want to see the moment where they can sit down and say, that was the moment he fell off. That was where the decline.

So I get it. And this feels like their opportunity to say, yo, this is the one. See, I wouldn't go that far. Y'all think that the decline is just starting? For Drake? Mm-hmm. I can't even...

I think all artists have an album that isn't up to their best, and they typically come back. Jay has had slopes, Naz has, Wayne has. Multiple. What I'm asking is, do you... You can't say Nas had a decline because he just put out six albums with hip boy. That was crazy. You can have a decline and come back up.

There's been a... It's been a dip. It's a graph. Listen, Street's Disciple is cool, but it's nowhere near life is good. That's when he was back. Okay. So on the chart, on the chart, this may be the one people come back to him, be like, this dip. With their own discography.

Like, yeah. Y'all think that Drake's first four albums, y'all think that Drake has consistently gotten better in his albums? for a long time, yeah he did. No, no, not for a long time. You might go back to... His first four albums compared to his last four albums.

Thank me later to Vuees is a crazy run inclined. That's a run. Where he continued to become a better artist. I'm not even saying as a rapper. A better artist. But nothing was the same was a dip?

No. That's my favorite Drake album by far. Oh, you said to views. Okay, okay. I'm about to say, hold on. See, now we're just saying it. Even in, when you're just saying, Add in, if you're reading, and more life I love.

I think Scorpion. When you get to Scorpion? Scorpion, I don't think it's bad, but you did see a plateau. The only, the only knock I had. And Drake's plateau is pretty high. The only knock I had on Scorpion was the knock I have on most double disc. It's too much. It's a lot.

It's too much. Remember that prediction? That was fun. Like the Blueprint 2, Jay's, Blueprint 2, great album if it was just one to me. It was great songs of both. Take those, compiling it to 1. we don't have no gripes. That's where I give Big and Pock

they're one up over everybody. They were able to success to do it. They have two double discs that... Different times. Not a skip on. Different times. Yo, y'all not fucking with Drew Picasso?

It's all right. I told you the records that I like. I'll be starting to feel like... You're talking to us like the Twitter timeline. I have my critiques, but I told you the records I like and that was one of them. I'm just making sure, bro,

because sometimes I be feeling like I'm bugging the fuck out sometimes because I hear shit And I'm just like, yo, y'all not fucking with that? That to me is some of the best rapping we've heard for the- I think you're about the dog of shit. Did you try to draw one? No, never tried to draw Picasso.

Oh. Well, before we get off this exchange, this just felt like something that was being harbored for quite some time. Yeah. It was personal. It's personal, man. It's personal. It's personal. It's personal for a lot of reasons.

It's personal. And I think that Drake, again, I think that he's been very, um, Drake is very observant. He hears everything. He sees everything. He may not always respond to everything. But he hears and he sees it. And obviously, in this situation,

there's a lot more personal shit than people know. Yeah, because what I don't think what Joe said was really that bad. I just felt like Drake said, oh, you finally said my name again? It wasn't. Now I could say everything that I've been wanting to say because they pretended to be friends during the pandemic and fake squash stuff. Yeah, but it can't. This, he's been harboring this.

Because he didn't reply in the raps And you know he had a bunch to say Don't do that after the seven disses Because in that rant There was a lot of personal shots That's what I'm saying He's been holding on to this and was like Oh what you think Joe gave personal shots

Stop fucking 25 year olds Yeah I mean Okay No no to be fair I didn't watch the whole Joe club I just watched like the one that went viral To be fair Drake literally has a lyric in it

Like he talked about fucking 25 year olds Yeah but dude can't be the one to tell Drake that Well, I think that was, that was, that was, but she, I think a lot of people agreed with Joe's take, but also were like, okay, but you were kind of the poster child of that. You can't be the one. But maybe that's the guy that should tell you to stop fucking 25 year olds. No. He's been through it. No.

He's trying to guide him through that. No, because. Don't do it. Look what happened to me. No, because now you, now you just talk. Now you just, again, you're trying to, no, you're trying to find a valid point to say why you wasn't feeling the art. You're trying to connect to. The fact that I'm fucking 25 years.

Like, what does that have to do with the album I just put out? Because it's, it sounds like that's all the content is someone in their mid to late 30s fucking young chicks from Instagram. Drake can't fuck 25 years. It's not about him fucking 25 years. So that's my stop right there. That's the point. So why even say that? Because that means nothing.

What does that mean? It's attached to talent. If somebody, if I'm asking for more mature music, if I'm asking for more mature, I'm not asking for more mature. This niggas that's giving you mature music and get. That's how old the bitches are they fucking. Probably 25. That has nothing to that's personal. He's not wrong.

Listen to what I'm telling you. That's personal shit. Yeah. That was a personal dick. That's personal shit. And that's the only reason Drake responded the way he did. Okay. Because it's like, I didn't look that deep into it.

I mean, you don't have to look deep into it. It's personal shit. You don't think that, okay, that could be part of it, but you don't think that Drake was possibly offended by what Joe said because Drake respects Joe's musical opinion. I don't think. Drake respects Joe's musical opinion at all. I think he made that very clear.

Well, in this paragraph for sure. I think at a time he did. He did. He made it a point in his younger years. He was, obviously, since his moment happened. If you rap, if you rap, growing up in the 2000s, you looked at dude as one of those rappers that, you really be saying some shit, he got flow, he could spit. There's nothing wrong with saying that.

Of course. And I think Drake will still say that. But we're not going to act like because I said that. when I was fucking 24, that now it's like, yo, you can't say nothing to me because you was a fan of mine's going to come up. Yeah, I was a fan to push it too. Said that on record.

I was a fan of a lot of you dudes until I became, I got skin in the game, and I became who I am. And now you niggas start acting funny, and you niggas start talking crazy about me, and you niggas act like y'all fuck with me, but behind these doors with these women, y'all kicking my back in. Not saying that that's what this is here.

But that's what happens. I'm the young corny kid from Toronto. Nobody ever expected me to blow up. Nobody ever expected I'll take over the game. I tried to get verses from these dudes on the come up. Nobody gave me a verse. A lot of niggis shitter on me. I think Drake got to get out of that.

I feel like that chip is still on his shoulder. He got to let that. No, no, no. It's only on his shoulder. It's only on the shoulder. It's only on the shoulder when you shoot at me on some personal shit. Because had this not, that personal shit, again, you don't have to like the album. I'm not saying people got to like it.

But when you start giving your reason of why you don't like it And now you're adding personal shit to it. It's like, okay, so it's personal why you don't like my album. It has nothing to do with the songs. It's personal. I don't think that that's fair because everybody I saw talking about this album outside of like the couple people I saw that liked it said the same thing that. No, no, no.

In this, I'm talking about this particular. I know, but what I'm saying is you saying that Drake is shooting like, oh, this is why you don't like my album. No, a bunch of people don't like your album for the same exact reason. No, but again, the personal digs that was in that rant, that's why he responded. It's also, there's a difference between the collective of an anonymous time, not anonymous, but a timeline that has no connection to him as the person versus someone like Joe,

where they have a history. Yeah. And this, like, someone made a tweet. It was like, it's like you're in the room getting bullied. And everyone's,

no, you ain't talking. Yeah. And there's that one person that triggers you. And we've all been there. In this case, it's Joe. Joe was the,

he's getting the aggression for everybody else that's saying the same thing that you said. Again, you cannot like something. I'm not saying you've got to love everything. thing that people put out. But don't start doing personal shit as to why you don't like it, because now we're going to get into some personal shit. Outside of the personal shots, which I, which I agree. Once you go personal, all gloves are off, you could say, do whatever. Where do you stand with artists lashing out at media, specifically podcasters? Because Drake

isn't the only one that's done this with multiple different outlets that get mad when you critique their work. I think that it falls down. It falls on simple shit like, yo, okay, you, you don't do what I do. So you never tried to do what I do. And none of y'all have ever done it as consistent as I've done it to the level I've done it. So if I feel like none of y'all can really tell me shit, I would have a great case to say, yo, listen, what I've been doing is working pretty fine. But I don't need none of you niggas to tell me how to create my art or what I should do in my career because I've done what none of you have been able to do. Hip-hop is the only place where that happens.

Because if you look at sports commentators, a lot of them never went past high school to play. If you look at certain coaches, they never went past high school. There's a lot of people that never got to the professional level or even really got on the field, but know how to critique it, know how to teach it,

know how to maneuver through. They're just not an athlete. If you look at any political commentators, they were never governors, they were never presidents, they were never any of these things that they critique every day. Why in hip-hop do artists feel that that is their go-to? That we cannot speak on it because we haven't done it, which I understand.

When I went on my press around, the first thing I said was I started to feel like Skip Bayliss. I'm critiquing one of these people and I've never played the sport. I'm critiquing Floyd Mayweather and I've never been punched in the face. Right. So I get it, but I think that's very understanding. unfair and I think it's healthy for the culture for outlets to be critical, but also praise and be honest. And I think that's just kind of what comes with art and entertainment. Everywhere

else, athletes have to, they have to deal with it. They can shoot back like KD does. Artists should be able to shoot back. But they can't say we're not allowed to critique the music that they are putting out to be critiqued. I think it's unfair. Art is to be critiqued. Once you put something into the consumption space and people consume it, people have the right to say, feel how however they feel about it. So that's, people have critiqued plenty of Drake's albums. He's never really, like, when honestly, nevermind came out, everybody hated that shit. Nobody was like a dance album.

What the fuck is this? Like, people were going crazy. He didn't, I didn't see him respond much to that. And I'm also not saying that's exactly what Drake is doing here. I do think there is some importance of outside of like the shots and the funny shit of telling younger artists, like, don't let this frustrate you. If you feel like you're doing something right, don't take these critiques that. Serious.

I don't think he's saying we can't critique. Yeah. But when younger artists see the biggest artist in the world shooting that podcast, I think this is going to continue on. And I think it's healthy if there is back and forth between artists and us, but you can't have that mentality as an artist so you guys are not allowed to critique this. But it's twofold for Joe because to have 90% of this shot at him, he's saying you tried it.

It didn't work out for you. But that's most commentators. Yeah, but like that, but it's specifically, again, just unique to Joe. Like, he's like, bro, and I think this is a lot of the criticism comes from, you never changed your sound. You never evolved. Your age literally, your sound expired. It just doesn't happen. Like, people stop listening because people didn't care for that sound anymore.

So it's like, who are you to tell me someone that's been over almost two decades in, has had multiple sounds evolved as an artist, done all these things, is obviously most more successful. Who are you to say have an opinion at all on the sound that I'm currently making? when your sound lasted this amount of years and is no longer even in hip hop. And I think that's what he's saying. Without all the direct shots and all like the coming at the dirty beaters and the jeans and shit.

I think that's like the crux of the thing. That's just the cause of this. My point on this is going to sound sort of political. I think both are right. I think Joe has a right to his opinion about this project and Drake has the right to reply. Mm-hmm. And that should be able to exist within our media space

because it exists in every other media space in the world. Yeah, but you got to. Both people, I don't think either of them are wrong here. No, but again, it's just because it's personal. It's a lot of history there, a lot of, you know, little back and forth and, you know, a lot of the same women, friends involved, things like that. You know how that shit go, man. It's just so when I saw that, I knew that was happening.

Before that, I knew that was going to happen. I said, all right, it's going. it's going to be a long reply. This is going to be a long, drawn-out thing. And again, like you said, two people can be right. But at the end of the day, you can't be mad at somebody sitting back watching people shit on them and not have a valid reason

and then giving personal reasons of why they don't like something and don't expect that ours to respond. What do we think numbers-wise? Not that I think numbers really matter for these guys anymore. But it doesn't matter. It's predicted to do between 400 and 450 first week. That makes sense. So, and here's a chart comparatively what he's done over the course of his career.

What did Mr. Morale do again? And big stepers? Yeah. I mean, his tour sold a million tickets. So, I mean, who gives a fuck about streaming numbers at that point? 295. 295. Okay.

I don't know. I don't really particularly cared when it comes to Cole, Drake, and Kendrick about numbers. like they're just going to be a reflection of the times. Yeah. Rather than who's actually listening and who's not. Care about the culture. But yeah. Yeah, I didn't mention Cole.

Like, I know, like, they've been talking about on the internet, but I just really want you all to use your platform to talk about really how good Cole's verse was and how crazy Cole is. Like, I don't like y'all just glossing over that. Like, he was the highlight of the album. I want to glaze it. Oh, I'll glaze Cole all day. Like, Cole is crazy.

Like, he's also married. I'm not, I'm talking about his kids. Yeah, respect. He's a family man, Damaris. He has grown raps. Literally talk about his music. Very mature. Yeah, very mature.

I don't know if you heard him lately. He thinks he's like Muhammad Ali. He ain't, though, but is he? He's nothing. He's not. He's not. He's not. So you're talking about in the rap game, Cole is not Muhammad?

No. Muhammad. He's a prophet? No, he's a very good rapper, a very good artist. So who's Muhammad if it ain't cold? He's like sugar. None of these dudes. None of them.

I'm going to answer your question. None of these. Sometimes the comparison doesn't need to exist. Yeah, like. George Foreman. None of these, none of these rappers on Hamid Ali. None of them.

But I respect the fact that he say he feels like him, but let me assure you you did not go through anything. What do you think of the bust Drake had added to his doorbell of 21 Savage? Weird flex. Is that 21? Oh, yeah, it is. So this is the doorbell gate outside of Drake's home. Mm-hmm.

Fall of dogs? So. I just like, what would, make you think of doing that. Yeah, that's all you're done. That's cool, though. I understand Drake loves his friends, and he's done things like this before, but, like, I just

don't know, like walking into the house, like, you know what? Is missing right now? 21 Savage's face. Yeah. What do you think? Does it speak? It's like, it's a guest? If the doorbell goes, 21, 21, that's, I'm all. And I want

to know how I can get one. But, yeah, then it's worth it. But if it's just his face, that's kind of funny. Did you get a bust of mall on your house? If it said that's crazy, yes, I definitely would. Hmm. I like it. No.

Because I don't even like my doorbell that sound now. If you do that, I'm going to your house and I'm taking that. Putting it in your house. No, I'm just going to throw it in the guard. Well, then I was buying about it. All the bitches want to fuck Drake. Got to go bang our 21 first. You thought about that old.

Yeah, you thought about that. You rehearsed. You went in the bathroom during that break. We're not judging you. See, this is why Drake be mad when niggas say it's shit trash. You try to get your balls. Look how you sound. He did too.

That's why he be. This is why he'd be tight, though. See, I don't see why a nigga be mad. That was better than the bisexual bar, though. It was. He did say 21 the Addie, so the knife is on the gate. All right. Which is an actual bar.

So he might... My shit was doper. He also, I think he's, like, in that phase of, like, really living his... Like, he has to prove all those little, like, non-sequitore lyrics. Like, he has a line on the album that says, I use a Grammy as a doorstop. And then on his story, he posted the photo of that Grammy being used as a doorstop. I like that. And I wanted to ask you guys, of all of Drake's Grammys,

not that we know everyone he's won and what they're rewarded for, but which Grammy do you think he would use to put on the floor to be the doorstop of his? No clue, Julian. Take me late. No, take me then.

Take care. Really? Your first? I see, I wouldn't put my first Grammy on the floor. Does he have one where like he just, you know, was a feature or some shit? That's what I'm saying. Like, what's his like throw away?

Whatever Grammy he won with Kanye? Did he win one with Kanye? If he did. I'm guessing that would be it. Oh, you could, oh, do, um... He won, uh, he won, uh, Let's see. Okay.

Not hot limeling. That was a fun era. Maybe God's plan? No. No. That's like one of his biggest. No? Damn,

that's hard. Maybe the one way, remember what they had to like basically beg him to come to the Grammy to get the award? Yeah, he showed up and like they gave it to him.

He only has five. Not only. I mean, I don't know what's like a diss, but he has five. He has five. Only has five. Yeah, watch it.

One of them on the floor. It's actually insane comparatively to how many nominations he has. I mean, But that's a lot of rap. Okay, so it's either God's plan, wait for you.

No. Hotline bling. Nothing was the same. He got one for wait for you? That's definitely, take care. That might be it. That's a great record.

That's his latest one. Yeah, but compared to the other ones that take care, God's plan. Other ones are more direct. Future and Sam's are going on the floor. Yeah. It's a great fucking song. It's for best melodic rap performance.

So it's like a kind of like a, category. That would be the one that's, yeah, I agree. Like, if it's holding the door open to the studio, then that's kind of like a... That's kind of cool.

That's cool. Like, wait here. Like, what door is it? Is it the door to the bathroom? He just posted a photo of a... He didn't specify where it was going, so... So on that... Speaking of Cole and that verse,

I like the beat switch up, and I know him and Cole were trying to make an actual song, not just try to like redo Jodesty freestyle and see you can rap better? Mm-hmm. Was that maybe an excuse and Drake was a little scared of the smoke?

That was a smoke duck. That was a smoke duck all day. I was smoked duck ducking what smoke from who from coal like that beat switched and he didn't have to do that flow it was cool for the song don't get me wrong but he could have rap rap biggest the what When y'all say ducking the smoke He has a song with him I know he didn't duck smoke at that time Beef friendly competition Yeah the same way Jodicy freestyle

Like y'all want them to These are real friends I mean I get that Jodacy Freestyle Was set up just for them to rap This was more of a song But he could have right like They could have done that On this song would that beat

Yeah I mean I still like the record I mean yeah It's a great record Yeah record is hard But I understand what you're saying If you wanted him to go I don't know

You wanted him to rap like most deaf. I don't know who y'all be wanting this nigga to rap. No, I wanted to rap like Drake. Drake. I love Jodity Freestyle. I think they both got off on that. That song got them canceled.

Got Cole canceled. I don't know. Who to go? It was some. Because I feel like Drake's first verse was really good for song purposes. Then Cole went off. And I think on that last verse, he could have just rapped. Well, I mean, if y'all looking for more rap,

there was more music that came out this week. And that was really dope. Earl sweatshirt and Alchemist put out a dope project, Void Dyer. that's really dope if you're looking for I don't know not Drake rapping

some Earl rapins I mean you know Nickas what Drake to rap like I don't know Do you think she loves Earl the way she loves Drake Probably

More than the same Rome Streets put out Another dope project Noise Candy 5 Great great project Is out So and I'm still listening Nick Grant

might have Best rap album of the year to me so far Y'all gonna hate me But I'm not mad at that That's it Are you still listening to Doja? Yeah

Doja's album is crazy We're not doing that Who has a better album? Doja or Drake. Ooh, Mall, because you are loving this Drake album. Yeah. Yeah, but we're not doing this. Just three days, man.

Glaze off. I remember, when the album first came out, I came here, and I was like, yo, I'm not mad at this. We know. In the next week, I was like, nah, this album is hard. Like, y'all, we know. And he said, for the girls is a pop record. I still don't.

Oh, fuck the girls. All right. That's a rap record. I suppose. But I like this album, though. I like it, too, Ma. I like this album. It's a lot of good songs.

on this album. It's nice and toxic. We'll see in a week. How I like my Drake. Nice and toxic. Okay. So y'all all fucking with you up a castle. I just want to make sure I ain't bugging out.

I mean, it's good. All right, cool. All right. I'm just making sure. I'm just making sure I didn't hear that and was bugging out over what I was hearing. Well, stay on music. Rory went to North Carolina to go hang out with little brother over the weekend. Yeah, I definitely did like where Drake was lashing out and like all the people that

that love the album saying like, go listen to your fucking real hip-hop bullshit. I did that this weekend. I did exactly what they did. What they suggested. Listen to the algorithm. And I went to Durham, North Carolina. Yeah. And I went to see Little Brother.

They had their block party, big crit, cool kids. Cool kids were great. Great lineup. A lot of fun. Great lineup. Yeah. Shout out to Little Brother. It was just a fun block party.

I got to get my adult complaining. Adult contemporary complaining off. Like, all right. This is how hip hop can age. Did you tell Fonte and the guys, yo, I ain't gonna lie. Y, I ain't gonna lie. Y, we need more like, like, Drake. rap from y'all? Yeah, I would say that to them. Okay. No, but did you say it? Yeah. No, Drake never came

up in conversation. It was too busy. No, we were just like in, you know, we were in Little Brother World. No artists came up. Oh, okay. We were just like enjoying our weekend. So the biggest artist dropped the album and rappers that really rap were around each other and nobody spoke about the album? Well, when Fonte and I went to Waffle House on Sunday, I did ask him at that point, did he listen yet but he didn't no he had he threw a whole event no not getting he got she going on i'm just you know no it really didn't come up in in conversation okay all right i'm just trying to see like don't know selective policy trying to get you're saying yo you need to make music like this and then don't tell other artists they need to make music like this word that's all

i'm saying but just think it's unfair i mean the the the drake i love is very fonte-ish absolutely you know okay all came here ready to fucking defend his motherfucker he's been talking to me like i I am the timeline. No, it's not a defendant thing. I just, I'm hearing, I'm okay with people not liking a project. But when people start saying why they don't like it, I'm just listening like, but that sounds like you want somebody to do something that you want them to do. Like, not that they're not capable of doing something like you want them to do that.

They didn't do it. That means it's whack. I just think that that's crazy. That's true. You can not like it. And I don't give a fuck who like what. I don't care what you like or don't like. I mean, I could have brought up that little brother did just put out a two-pack produced

by conductor the week, the week before. Drake put out 8 a.m. in Charlotte, and he happened to be in North Carolina, like, feeling so he did make an adult record. Sure, 8 a.m. and Charlotte is adult-ish. That was daddy goat. Yeah. I don't mind that type of content. So, you know,

Drake said, I'll cater to you, but at night you're terrorists. You like that one? Yeah, what you're feeling that? He started the unrest in the Middle East. Yeah. He might have. His album dropped. Bomb started going off.

I ain't know what was going on. Oh, no. God. I'm just saying that's when I woke up, that's what was happening in the world. We were at war and, well, we were funding two wars currently. Yeah. And our special too.

Drake dropped an album. Do you feel like you know she has a guy, but you don't think he's a guy? Mm-hmm. Wait, because I want to answer that. That's the question you want to answer? I ask her again. Do I feel like she has a guy? Yeah.

But I know the guy? But you don't think he's a guy. Oh, you think he's a trans? I don't know. I didn't do the science on that board. I know she got a guy, but I don't think he's a guy. He not one of them guys. See, you don't even get it.

Because I'm not one of those guys. I'm the loser that Drake is talking about when he says that he's making. Or he could be like, yeah, what's... Or he's transitioning. You know what I'm saying? This world today, we don't know. We got to throw everything is on the table here. He may be transitioned.

He's got low tea. Yeah, like we, you know, it is what it is. That would be an interesting perspective right after sexy red says, shake your ass for Drake. And then you get a transitioning bar. How do y'all feel about Candace Owens? Fam, no. Yeah.

What? That's a loaded question. Why do you like her? Because I know where you're going with this. Did I say I like her? I just asked how do y'all feel about it? I would be surprised if you didn't. I love her.

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. I could have guessed that one. I love Kenna's Owens. Because in every time I've seen it now, I don't, first of all, I don't agree with nothing. I don't agree with everything that most people say. Like it's like you're not going to, most people are not going to say shit.

I'm like, I agree with all of that. No. So she has shit that she says where I don't agree with her. Most. But she got a lot of things that she says where I'm like, she's not lying. She's right. She's correct. Like what?

I saw a clip going around where she was at a university. Oh, she was in Albany. She was in Albany. She was in Albany. At a university. And I think it was a LGBTQ. And students were saying, you know, like because of her presence on campus, you know, people are upset. People are this or that.

So she's saying you're upset that a pregnant woman is on campus talking about what I'm talking about. Like put a helmet on. Oh, she's pregnant? Yeah. Oh, good for her. And then she was saying, you know, some people were saying like it's people like you that make trans people feel victimized and commit suicide. And she said, well, studies will show that trans people commit suicide after they transition. Not before.

So it's pills. It's all other things you can point to, not Candace Owens. She wasn't lying in that. I just think that Candace Owens. I don't know the study that. or where she got her information. Well, the dude that stood up said, well, so and so, however many people commit suicide a year, trans people commit suicide, whatever, whatever, whatever. And then somebody completely debunked that because they was like, well, by your math, that would mean that 800,000 people, trans people a year commit suicide.

And that does not happen. Well, I think for some of the agendas that she spewed out about that community, somebody could feel bullied. I can see that. Like I said, I don't agree with everything she says, but I do think that she says some things. Like, she's one of those people that because you don't agree with one thing she said, people don't like her. That's a lot of people, though.

And that's crazy to me because everybody... Reddit thinks I fucking love Andrew Tate and I don't, just because I liked one thing said once. Yeah, like, some people say certain things, and you're like, okay, I agree with that. And she's just another person to add to the list that people hate that. I'm like, well, certain things that she says, I agree and I think it's true. But, all right, you're right.

But the issue with Candace doesn't always get down to exactly everything that she says. Because she said a few things before that I've agreed with. I've seen a lot of shit I disagree with. It's how she's being used and what she represents. True. That is the real issue. Now, if someone wants to argue with me and say, well, listen to everything she's saying before you make that conclusion, I'd agree with them.

But in this case, she is being fed the same right-wing narrative. if she wasn't a black woman, the right would not be fucking with her. They know they can give her these talking points, and it's been clear. She's the same fucking talking points as everyone else on Daily Wire. There's no difference of opinion.

They're just using her to say these things because she's a black woman. So they can get some of... Because Candice can get off, and I'm... Stay out of it, because it's, you know, how am I going to tell a black person how to talk to black people about black issues?

It's not my place to say that. But a lot, because of that, a lot of the shit she says is what the right wants to get off. But now they're using a black woman to say it so they can say, how could I be racist? Look at Candace. So you feel like she's being a puppet? 100%. Yeah, she is. I think she has probably a few thoughts of her own.

But no, I think she's a puppet as, and I'm not saying the left doesn't have puppets too. But yeah, I think she is a puppet. And we've discussed, even Tucker Carlson at one point, he was a MSNBC on more on the left-leaning side. the right wing gave him a bag all of a sudden he's Mr. conspiracy. We're going to take our of everything. So it's like it's you know, you're compromising for a steady career and a fat check,

which I get. It happens a lot in journalism. I just think it's weird that people, you know, because I look at all these people, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, whoever. And if they say certain things that I agree with it,

it's like, okay, cool, I agree with that. If they say things I don't agree with it, like, yo, that's kind of crazy. but cool get your shit off I just think it's funny when people totally just throw the person away like I don't want to fuck with her and it's like

so you don't think that she says anything that's right or anything that's intelligent or anything that's like true I just think that that's weird when people do that and to me that sounds like you are one of those people

that are like okay you're all the way over there so if that doesn't if everything a person says doesn't align with what you believe you don't fuck with it but I mean her like so many others

attack the left for so much stuff that sometimes I do agree but she's just the same as the people she attacks. She just is on the right. Like they're all puppets. They're all giving us misinformation. They all have agendas. The way she attacks people for having that,

I always find very funny because she is very much the exact same thing just on the other side. What agenda is she pushing? The right wing conservative one. It's divisiveness in fear mongering. Yeah, that's like the collect. That's like the consensus of that side of the aisle.

It's all hypocritical on both sides, the way they just make up facts. Create an uproar. Yeah, to scare people. One thing happens in one town and now all Christians are under it. One trans woman read a book. You're going to die if you walk outside

and believe in Jesus Christ. Like, it's just to scare people. And the left does it too, but Candice, she's just a hypocrite because she does the same thing the left does. I'm just glad you said both sides do it. Oh, of course. You could say the left does it way more.

I think everyone's crazy. Yeah. But, you know. All right, well, I mean, Do we have a voicemail or? We do. Did Drake call us yet? I wish.

I doubt it. Word. You wish Drake called you? Hell yeah. Why not? Why not? We took good for that? Okay, first of all.

We're not going to act like if Drake called any of us. We're going to be like, no, wait a minute, I'm busy. We're going to answer the phone. You don't. If anybody calls me, I might answer the phone. I said, you wish Drake called. You never pick up my calls. I've never wished a man.

Well, I'm not like, it's not like I'm wishing. That's what I'm laughing. That's what they skip it over. I didn't say if Drake, like, if Drake calls me. me right now, I'm going to answer the phone. I'm not sitting like, I wish he would call me. We didn't look up and see a shooting star. Yeah, like, what the fuck is wrong?

Drizzy call. Like, I was waiting for my call. But there was no, like, reach out. I don't have access to him directly. Thank God. Thank God. You would be in Toronto, so we'll see. That doesn't mean any of people that.

Are you going to drop a pin in his DMs? Like, just touch the city boy. Ew. Double up. Touch the city boy. Isn't he the boy? Oh, my God. I told him, sure.

Think if I told him I'm 25 and hang out with me? Sorry. Do we have a voicemail? Yeah. When you hang out with Drake, what do you call him? Aubrey. When I hang out with Drake, what I call him? Yeah.

Drake. Okay. What do you call him? Drake? Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't think I've, you know. You never been in like a argument?

I heard from a source that everyone calls him the bully in real life. Oh, that I'm the source. I watched it. I was beside myself. You're saying I'm the source. You're saying I'm the source. It was me. It was all Toronto people that grew up with them, so who am I to talk?

The boys? I don't know. It's funny when you hear people in like settings not like in a green room. Like, call it someone the boys. Has anyone seen the boys cup? Yes. Like it's funny. I just can't, I can't do that if I didn't like, if we're not like really close and I didn't go out of it.

I can't call you that. Yo. That's not for me. Did I ever tell you the sort of Palooza we did in Toronto years and years and years ago before Henny Paloosa even really popped? if we did a small one in Toronto. And that was the first time I had heard that the boy lingo. This guy came up with a girl and he wasn't on the list.

And he like pulled us closer and said, that's the boy's ex. And I was like, what? That's the boy's ex. Like, who the fuck is the boy? Yeah. That's Drake's X. I was like, ooh.

Okay. Yeah, congratulations. Now what? Stop talking to you. There's tickets over there. Yeah. Just purchase a ticket. Oh, you're saying like getting her in?

He was, yes, he was trying to get in. They weren't on the list. And he was saying like who she was. Got you. That's cool. You know, imagine. And it looked like they were probably together. Yeah.

That's very. Like imagine. Damn, you blocking her blessings. Word. Of what? Of wristband to get into Ducey pollution. You didn't let her get a cup of Duce. Can you imagine, listen, if somebody dates Trix X,

cool, we all have X. But imagine like going to a party you're not on the list for. And your stat is that you're dating Drake's X. And you don't. even referred to her as your girl. You refer to her as the boy. Drake's X. Oh, he was dating her when he said that. They looked like they came up together. Oh, hell. No, they could have been frightening. Even worse. Yeah, where were we at? There's no way he has a girlfriend and he's introducing her at a door at a club saying, yo, this is Drake's X.

I'm just telling you what happened. That's the crazy, we need to find that. This isn't embellished at all. He's going to shoot up at university soon. That's not psychopathic. That's, that's psychopathic. I promise I'm not embellishing this at all. I'm willing to say that was just his friend. He's not dating that girl. They weren't like, holding hands or kissing, but you know you can tell when people's body language is like they're together. That's probably her manager. I don't speak body language. Her manager? You don't speak body language.

But you like the song, Body Language by Derek? It's debatable. Is there one? Maybe it's the language. Yeah, it's language. Yeah. Love that. Body.

Yeah. Eadded. What a freak. I know his body. Now you're talking about. Hey. All right. All right.

All right. Let me do you. Let's go. You've got mail. We have a very nice voicemail from Michael. I like this guy. What's up, guys? My name's Michael.

Hey, Michael. A big fan of the pod. Obviously, I probably wouldn't be subscribed to your Patreon. But anyway, I'm actually calling for some career advice. So to give you guys some backstory, I am the general manager for a very successful dairy queen location. After base salary and profit sharing and bonuses, I'm making just shy of $150,000 a year. And in the Midwest, $150,000 a year goes. pretty far. But the issue I'm running into lately is I'm burnt out, you guys. I've been doing

this job since I was 15 years old. I'm 32 years old now, and it's all I know. It's all I've ever known in regards to the workforce. But I'm very good at my job. But the issue, I don't have a college degree to fall back on. So any other job outside of the restaurant industry I take, I'm going to take a significant decrease in pay. And I'm trying to balance, is it worth it or not? Like, do I just stick it out? Do what you're good at? But I'm working on average 72 hours a week.

And that's like a good week. So that's about 12 hours a day, six days a week. I don't have time for dating. I don't have time for friends. I just, I don't have time for anything fun. My whole life is work. So if you guys were in my situation, I'm just wondering what you guys would do. Thanks.

we thought Drake had a tough weekend. He's the Dairy King. Yeah. It sounds like he needs to, Mike, it sounds like you need to find, like what are you, what are you passionate about? What are you, you know. Blizzards. What are some things that you have outside of? That sounds great.

I mean, I mean, he's not wrong. How many times do you think he hits him with a turn-off that shit? Yeah. Hey, maybe I could do this. Number one in the Midwest. I'm pretty sure. really good at making blizzards. I still go to Dairy Queen on West Side Avenue.

He should. But he needs to, it sounds like you need to just find something that you can have fun doing. Because this is just work, work, work. You need something that is fun for you. I don't know, maybe get into looking at starting some Dairy Queen trucks or something.

I don't know. What do you mean Dairy Queen trucks? So like if you take... You want him to find more time. He had to do for Dairy. No, not him. But I'm just saying like he needs to do shit where it's like he can be at the truck for like three hours a day and then he's done like he needs to delegate

some of his work to other people it sounds like he just wants to be hands on with everything i think he wants the same pay though i also think he's in corporate so i don't think he wants to be hands on i think that's what's required by his role yeah but you got to put people in play where you don't have to be there 72 hours a week though like you got to find some time with a corporate job that's not for him to the budget is with the corporation he can't choose who to delegate to or to have somebody Like he can't do that. That's not. So he might have to take a, he might have to take a step back, maybe take a pay decrease.

Yeah. I'll take a pay decrease to have more free time to do other things. Seventy-hour work week? It's crazy. Yeah. He can't date. He says he doesn't date. He doesn't have much of a social life.

So he's saying his life is his work. I don't think there's any amount of money to sacrifice your well-being and hanging out with your friends and family and moving at a pace. Especially in the Midwest. But like you can make, he's making a lot of money in the Midwest. Like he's his money. Yeah. All he needs out there is like $10.

That sounds good on paper. I'm never one of those people that says just quit your job. No, not quit. He needs to still work and find a way to cut back some of those hours. Or put your head down for a year and a half, two years, stack up some money, and then maybe take that risk of quitting your job. But you don't even need to quit. Look for another job while you have this job. Or to the mall point, look for, I know he doesn't have a lot of time, but look for something you're passionate about.

And you could stack your money for a few years while you work on. Passion on the side and then quit. His passion is Coldstone. Like, he just needs to use this free time he has to figure out what he likes. Maybe it isn't dating right now. Maybe it's something else. He's young, too. Let's get Mike into the dating scene.

He makes $150,000 in the Midwest. So he's drink. Girls love ice cream. He's a good catch. He knows how to make lizards. He's a good catch. But he needs to not be in Dairy Queen so much, though. He needs to find a way to get away from that a few more hours out of the week.

Have some time for yourself at least a Saturday. don't go in. That's like the most popular time for Dairy Queen. I love ice cream. But I mean, you gotta have somebody else running the shop.

Y'all really think that that man who was making $150,000 a year is in the dairy cream making Blizzards. I'm sure he's had his fair share management. He's a top seller. Working 72 hours.

He gets bonuses. Heavy cream. Meets marks of how much income. Yeah, I could see that. I don't think he's at the window. Yeah, he's not the Blizzard guy. I think he probably started there at 15 and worked his way up.

Mike, fucking. I'm going to just keep it real, man. Just start selling. I'm selling Coke. You sound like you're great at selling white. Oh, yeah, you can do that. That's true. Yeah. Like, I mean, you ain't got to work 702 hours. You're going to make more than 150 grand.

You can make that in one run. Mm. Or, I mean, you could work out of the Dairy Queen. That's what I'm talking about. Got a lot. Yeah. Baggies in the blizzard. Start selling Coke through the drive-thru.

Yeah. And then some people wonder, why was that Blizzard $110? Yeah. Coke in it. Yeah, exactly. There you had a blizzard. You had a blizzard with Coke. That's a blizzard.

There you go. Start selling drugs, Mike. So, so good. But really, I think he should just focus for a year or two, stack his money. And if he wants to quit at that point, quit. But don't quit with no... Yeah, you got to have a...

Yeah, take those two years to try to find other shit in the free time you have. That's a great problem to have, though, Mike. You have a successful business. You're making a lot of money. You're not getting no pussy, so that sucks. I mean, it does suck. Yeah. Yeah.

That's cutting cost on condoms. So there's that. You know what he could do as a new career? Since he doesn't have much free time, but he does have money, He could do those dating sites that get you on to like 90-day fiancé. Like he should be looking in third world countries for a wife to bring over here. She wouldn't work, obviously. Tax right off.

And she'd just be there, you know, slow him whenever he wants. And then they get on the reality show and he can quit his job and just do three seasons of 90-day fiancé. Now he's a reality star. And he has a wife. And he's done with Dairy Queen. Reality star today, White House, in five years. 100%. Yeah, side goes.

I love it. Good for Mike. Good job, Mike. Go Mike. That was the Clinton. Exactly. He has a president name to Michael. That's the president.

Michael from the Midwest. That's a presidential resume. That's a definite man named Michael. Midwest Mike. Started from the bottom. Now he's all the way up. What's more American and serving ice cream? Who.

That's true. Bootstrap community. Eat him up. No, you definitely got it by the bootstraps. What's your guys favorite ice cream flavors? Cookie dough. My cookie dough guy. Rocky Road.

I like cookies and cream. Fuck you laughing my Rocky Road for You know what used to be really good That I was surprised that I liked Hagenas coffee ice cream Oh, that's amazing Yeah I was surprised I like that flavor as much as I did

That shit was crazy And somebody like had it in the fridge I was like coffee ice cream You look like a rum raising He was like you don't even understand Did they also have the coffee patron In their freezer? Excuse me?

Oh my God How people like that is beyond me But it's not like You're not supposed to like make that as like a shot It's a kid you don't know that It's so bad As a kid, you shouldn't be drinking but drunk. I don't mean a kid.

I mean, like, when you're 21 years old, like. I get it, the boy, the kid. You know what I saw for the first time in maybe 10 years in North Carolina? Honey Jack. Really? They still saw that here. When I tell you, I almost threw up just at the sight of it. I was like, I thought they banned this country.

Talk about syrup. I don't have a weak stomach, but if you want to see me throw up, put some 99 bananas on a table. I think they recall that. That was discontinued. all over this dude. I don't even know. But I thought Honey Jack was too. We used to guzzle.

99 bananas is the worst shit in the fucking world. Some pinnacle? Nah, Bacardi Limon. I was lit. All those like fake flavoring. Lemaun. Lameon.

What's your favorite ice cream? Bacardi limon. My favorite ice cream would probably be black cherry. What the fuck? What are you, Kendrick? Black cherry. What are you, Kendrick? Black cherry ice cream should be banned in every country.

even though they sold it. Black cherry. I heard of black cherry soda. Black cherry ice cream? Try it. Who makes that? Hagenhers? I mean,

I think they do. Definitely an off brand. Briars? Who makes that? That's definitely like a... That's definitely Acme brand. That's like a blue. That's like a blue bird.

That's like black cherry ice cream. That's like Blue Bunny, right? Yeah. It's no blue bunny. Black cherry is good. Yeah. That's a lot of them. Teleti makes one.

They make great ice cream. It's a lot. Yes. So actually what I eat a lot now is Tilenti has the raspberry. That's my shit. Yeah, I eat that, the Roman raspberry. I don't really like ice cream anymore because I'm getting a mall. What you said about dairy fucking me up as I get older, you jinx me.

Literally when I first got this job, I was like, no, I can eat dairy like dairy like, I can eat dairy like, dairy like, watch you getting old and dairy going to start fucking with you now. Griping. In the toilet. Look at you. Bubbling. Go on there.

I remember the first time I had a stomach ache from eating dairy, nigga. I went in the bathroom with a full outfit on. I came out with my clothes folded in my hand. I had to get butt-ass naked. Like, you ever take a shit and you like, you like, you ever take a shit and you like, you get hot. I was sweating your shit. I was like,

yo, what the fuck? That's when I knew I can't do the hair. The type of stomach cramps I was having. I thought my appendix bust one time. Damn. Because I only had heard about the pain. And I thought that's, I had gas. I had gas so bad from eating ice cream.

I was like, yo, this hat, my appendix is, I'm dying. Imagine black cherry ice cream exploding your appendix? I would call you pussy. Yeah. You'd be pussy at that point. It's not the flavor. It's the fucking weird. That's like when Lil Zan got sent to the hospital for eating hot Cheetos.

That's a true It's a real thing That actually happened How much did he eat? How much did he eat? He's he It was like a baggers It wasn't a lot

Jesus It was just like a Week ass time I guess it fucked his stomach up Would you guys be willing to do the One Chip challenge No I think those are banned now

What's that? It's basically like a really really hot Single chip That all these in cells do Yeah I don't know Damn Why you're talking A cell base?

The fuck? I mean that's My fan base is Dessels Damn I didn't know we had in cells that listen. Yeah, I don't even know what an in-cell is.

You don't know what an in-cell is? No, it's like a cell in your body? No, it's like a group of guys that can't get, like, attention from women, they can't have sex. It's like the onset school shooter resume. Got you, okay. We may have some of those fans. Onset. I hope not.

Stop listening during the insult. They said Drake's album should have been called for all the in-cells. Yeah. That album, definitely for a thing. Yeah, that album is for n-a-pussy. Yeah, that album was for nigg. I just saw it. They got women problems and they kind of dogging women out.

that's what that's what julian what's your favorite ice cream player ooh uh vanilla it obviously no i like that's uh fuck you fuck you look like that's underrated you look like vanilla you look like you you look like you like uh pistachio or like mint chocolate chip yeah you look like when i was a kid as a kid as a kid i was a kid as a kid i was a kid yeah it's a kid like it's a kid like What kid likes peppermint? It's a tasty treat. No kids like peppermint. You definitely hate it.

What? Mint? Kids like chocolate. Kids like strawberry. Kids like fucking sprinkles. Chocolate's in the name of the mint chocolate chip. No, no, no. You can't get to the chocolate chip before you pass the mint, though.

You get chocolate in every bite. Yeah, but that mint, though, that mint is the aftertaste. That's what stays on the tongue and it clears your sinuses. You start smelling peppermint. 45 divorcees like that. Mint ice. That's like what your grandmother has in the freezer. when it's like

You're going through something? That's white grandmas. Black grandmas have butter pecalom. Were you smoking a cigarette when you walked up to order that? Cookie butter is good underrated now.

Cookie butter is good. Cookie butter is solid. As a base, because then you can just like kind of I had ice cream over the week and I was going to send a photo to you, Mall. You went on ice cream?

It's a wild. Wait, why are we? And to think of Mall and I would have blocked you if you fucking shit. I was going to post it on my story. You're like,

man. Well, for all the in cells and not incels, ice cream eaters and not. ice cream eaters. We will be in Toronto, ironically, this week. October 12th, we'll let the Danforth Music Hall, which I'm told is like a right of passage for Toronto. Nice. What do you mean? It's like one of the, it's almost... It's like Stoney Hall.

You're like an SOBs in something Greek. That's where everyone goes for like their first show in Toronto. It's a right of passage. Everyone's performed there and that made me. So this is going to check in with the boy? This is our SOBs? Yeah. I guess so. What? Sorry, SOBs is funny Are you gonna reach out to the boy

Or any of his exes? You got check in? Any of his exes? No. They live in Texas. I might hit him. I don't think he's gonna be in town, though. I think he's leaving once a tour ended.

I think he wouldn't go to his home. Oh, you got his routing? No, I think that he's just, Tours ended up. He would probably go on vacation, though. You wouldn't want to be home? Not really. Drake?

For like a week, at least you sit at your house? Sure. Sure, but I would probably, I have a house in somewhere else, too. not just Toronto. That's a good point. I mean, but he's back to the 6th. That's what he said.

Yeah, I gave you out an album. I was home. Gave y'all out of the shows, two shows back to back. Now I'm going to go, it's kind of cold. Getting chilly. I'm going to go sit on the beach, get some sun. Get some water. Remember when Kanye went to Chicago and said,

I'm never going to leave Chicago for the rest of my life? And then he left that afternoon. Hasn't been back since. Hasn't been back since. We'll also be in Los Angeles, November 5th. London, November 17th. Che up, Mike. Back in New York, December 1st.

Get your tickets. Come kick it. We're going to have some fun. Give out some merch. Sell some merch, hopefully. I think they're going to like the merch that we have. Yeah, I think it's great. Pray for my safety in the 6th. I don't think I said anything too disrespectful, but you never know. You said men should have chopped his album a half, bro.

Okay, I don't think that was that crazy. Yeah. What's wrong with that? Yeah. Are you trying to start shit? Nothing wrong with it. But yeah, I am looking forward to all these shows, get to see the people, have some fun

and yeah get your tickets New Rory Mall.com Tikiwikis. Exclusi. We'll see y'all soon. Let's have some fun. Let's talk some shit. Let's break up some couples. I don't got to see y'all for a week. I'm going to miss y'all. Any hot takes before we close?

Hot takes. I think in two years when Drake comes back to give us music he's going to say he felt really uninspired when for the dogs came up. No. Does Drake have a dog? Does he have a pet? I'm sure he does. Probably.

Yeah. Do the women count? No. No. That's a good job, though. Oh. I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I'm viral. Oh, my God.

All right, let's go. We'll talk to y'all soon. Wait, I do have one last hot take question. We don't have to dive into it. I just want to see what your yes or no answer. Does Rocky have to see Drake? For that? Some wild things to say to you, girl.

Kind of, yeah. And, yeah. I think that they, if they didn't already, they have to have a face to face, just them to. Yeah. I didn't think that it was, that was kind of a shock

in the head, Drake, talk like that, actually. Not that I think about it. About Ree? I thought it was kind of wack. I don't know if there's been stuff behind the scenes that Rihanna has said it. Yeah, that we don't know about. It felt unnecessary.

And it felt like you started with saying, well, no, not unnecessary, but we don't know what happened. And then went on to tell us how much he wasn't over it. Well, that's, that's what we do, though. I don't fuck with her. You see her?

She was out there. Why are you hitting my line asking me if she was at that party? Like, don't do that. You said you ain't like you ain't fuck with her no more. I think it was misplaced shock value. And I don't think it went the way Drake thought it was going to go. Drake doesn't need shock value. That was shock value.

I think that. Saying Rihanna's sex was whack? Yeah, that's kind of whack. But I don't think, I don't think he said that. I don't think he said that for shock value, though. That's my thing. If you take it a shock value in, yeah. But I don't think that's how he meant to.

I think he may have said it. like at the end of the day he's like let me stop and he was like no fuck that like he went back in like I think he was just like being cornball he said I could have went in more on this album but I didn't like he referred to like a lot of shit now again I don't know if that's all just about

rey he went in on Vryana on that song yeah but I'm saying on the album other songs if Rocky and Rihanna were sending shots of Drake cool say what you want I don't care but even the hairstyle kind of I think even the clips like the hair clips didn't Rocky post a photo like that

well like hair-cooked I mean he's been yeah so I was like looking at that I thought it was kind of like a play on I don't know I just didn't I didn't think that it would be some real smoke between them why rehashed that that's the thing because they did have a little thing before

but now she's not only they're married but like they're so past to that why make that a thing again weird something had to have happened that we don't know about yeah yeah to go that in for something that like are you replying to the internet saying you're not over her

because I haven't seen or Rocky say a word. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like Rocky might have to, might have to go to the six. I don't think you want to go there to see him, but you don't want to go there to step to him. But, I mean, I think at some point they're going to have to, like, have a real face-to-face man conversation.

So, like, nobody's going to call out that that's corny. I thought it was corny. No, he's not. To say that box was whack? No, just to, like, do that, like, to go, like, y'all don't think that that's, Rory said it's corny, but, Ma, you don't think that that's corny? to say her sex was white? Yeah.

I wouldn't say that. I don't, I don't, I would never put that in the album, like about a girl, especially not Rihanna. Like, I wouldn't do that. She got kids. She's like, she's way past, she's a billionaire. I just wouldn't do that. But that's, again, that's me.

And then I don't know what happened, what was said, what he felt like was directed towards him. Me personally, I would never, I would never talk about no woman I've ever been with like that. That's just me. Especially Rihanna, if you have. Oh, God. But God bless.

And do we think it's mid? I personally, I don't think so. You're willing to find out. I don't think I'll ever find out. So, I mean, who am I to say? If it's whack or not, but it wouldn't be my guess. Fuck it. Cizzer said nigger was number three.

Fuck it. Read mid. This is what we at now. Cizzer can say homie's number three. You know what, you know, me? My homie isn't. I'm just saying, though. We don't know who homie is.

You told me a story that popped back up in my head when Drake said it was mid. What story? Where I kind of believe them. I don't want to say it on the way, phone. Patreon. I mean, no, but that doesn't. Anyway. We'll talk to y'all soon.

Actually, let's finish that conversation on Patreon. Yeah, we'll do that. All right, cool. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th.

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