New Rory & MAL - Episode 222 | Podcast Villans V.S. Vultures ft. Ian Dunlap

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

Happy show day everyone! While we spend today getting ready for tonight’s sold out show please enjoy this episode featuring The Master Investor and host of Market Monday’s, Ian Dunlap. We start with two leading causes: relationships don’t last, trust and money. Then Ian addresses Diddy stepping down from Revolt. Followed my Mal getting pressed about his moneybag usage on Instagram. Rory reveals a sad truth he discovered about women once he got his money up. In the spirit of Spotify Wrapped/Apple Rewind we go over all of our top 5 artists of the year. And yes, we all have the same number 1 (as do most of you) We dig deep into podcast culture of how divisive it has become and why we don’t work together. This leads to a conversation about hip-hop culture overall. It’s time for voicemails. Tune in as the guys and Ian discuss all of the above + more. See you tonight NY! Follow The Team:Rory - https://www.instagram.com/thisisrory/Mal - https://www.instagram.com/mal_bytheway/Eddin - https://www.instagram.com/thankyoueddin/Julian - https://www.instagram.com/julian__nicholas/Demaris - https://www.instagram.com/demarisagiscombe/Merch: https://newrorynmal.com/Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalYouTube Subscribe: https://rb.gy/hk7up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right. Let's get to the show. Welcome to a new episode of the new Rory and Moll podcast. I'm all. I'm all. I'm Rory. And today we are, with somebody that I've been trying to get some conversation with for a while. He's busy.

Yeah, he's a busy guy. He's a good. We haven't had the opportunity to actually sit and connect in person. So today is our actual first, my first time meeting this gentleman with somebody that I've been watching for a while and paying attention to for a while. We are joined with none other than Ian Dunlap. How are you doing, my brother? Good, man. Big class.

Yeah, yeah. Big money in the house. I was a little offended yesterday because I know. know you have a relationship with Yomi and Edin on our team like, oh, Ian's going to come by to do voicemails. And then I felt like they were kind of disrespecting you. Oh, stop. Like a two-minute

segment. I was like, not, Ian has to come on for a full episode. Not to just relationship advice with him. We can't have Ian just doing a relationship advice. Even though he might have some very interesting relationship advice to give. Well, we will do voice. We're still doing voice. Oh, no. Yeah, because most relationships

the turmoil is financial in most relationships. I think. Me personally, I think that's what causes most problems in relationships. You think so? Absolutely. He's a lot of I think it's a study on that though, no? Yeah, but I think it's more compatibility issues and not communicating well. I'm not an relationship expert.

I swap mine out like eight, three, six months. Yeah. Oh my God. That's healthy. Let's go. It's just jokes. Yeah. Quarterly. Written by D.C. Youngfiel. She's a big of being an 85 south. I don't think finance is really a thing until you're married or talking about,

Talking about being married. No? He's a relationship. That's true. I'm asking. I was posing a question. Most problems and relationships come from finances.

Whether it's a wife, a girlfriend, the most things you're going to argue about is financial shit. But if we don't live together and we're just dating. It's still somehow turns into finance. Absolutely. And I don't live in the Twitter world where like there's the financial dating rules that you have to like spend $1,000 a day. I'm talking about like real life.

Yeah, no. It's, I mean, if you're going to live with. Money and trust? Is money and trust is probably? the same in a relationship. Because if you ain't got a money, she don't trust you. No, if you got too much money, I don't trust you. Yeah, and if you got too much money, she definitely don't trust you.

If you're a man, she doesn't trust you. Well, here we go. And if you're a man, you got to make money. Well, that's true. Yeah. But that's just a man. You're not a man if you don't make money. That's what the women said.

Okay. That's a cap too. I'm just, that's what the women said. They'd be giving box away the motherfuckers with no money. I've been broken. Okay. Ian is here to talk today. I like this shit.

Yeah. He's here to talk. a man you should want to make money for your that shouldn't just be for yourself yeah for just for life you should want to make money did you have more women when you were broke when you had money when I was broke for sure when I was broke by choice though if I wanted to have a lot of what is what is broke by choice the fuck is you trying to sign I had more women by choice oh got you got you got you I let you broke by show when I'm not relating to the money thing right now no no

no when I was broke I had more women by choice if I wanted more women now I could have more women but I just don't care because you had more time is that what you mean? No, because you just, when you're younger, when you're younger and, you know, you hungry, that's when you're broke is when you're young. You don't, you're trying to figure shit out. It's just, you just, you just out here just knocking them down. It's not even about, you know, I mean, your day is revolved around trying to get some pussy. That's what I'm saying. You have the time to actually go do something like that. When you get older, you don't, that shit is like, if it happens, it happens. They say about 20 to 40% of divorces are caused by financial

issues, mall, so. But no, that makes sense to me when it comes to marriage or when you're living with someone? It's a Instagram. A hashpotish. IG. Communication. Infidelity.

Infidelity. Intidelity. Intimsy issues. Yeah. That's a bar. Yeah. Infidelity is Instagram or French. That's all it is.

But what would be like the first, I've never had a money conversation with a significant other where it was like an issue per se. So you got it? Yeah. You do. When I was broke and I was in relationships, that just wasn't like the main focus. Because she wasn't talking to you about money. She's talking to somebody else with money.

Oh, my God. But that's a bar, though. But that's what I'm saying? He's like, well, when I was broke, it wasn't an issue. Yeah, why would I talk to you about money if you don't have money? Or we were just in love and we were focused on that rather than materialistic. Yeah. How do you find the ones you be in love with?

Instagram. Gotcha. It's usually social media. Yeah. But I don't even know how those conversations would go. Like, how does that start? Like, you missed the mortgage payment. How do you all start with it?

Like, yo, I want this. Can we go here? I think they do like the field of first. I suppose. I mean, now with having a kid, there's financial conversations more than I've ever had, but it's not so much. Luckily, we're blessed enough to have enough. Yeah.

But it's not money conversations like, we're done if we can't get her into avenues. That's sick. Yeah, that's a sick conversation. I just don't know how, I know that's a thing. I'm just curious out of conversations. I think it's more so, like you said, communication. Sometimes you don't communicate some of the stresses that not having money brings to a relationship. Yeah.

Because you're either so busy trying to figure it out. Now, just financially everybody, I'm seeing people that have great incomes and they're living check to check. And people are just trying to survive and just trying to make it. But it's like, you know, you have to communicate through the healthy relationship. Communicate it through it. Financially, yes, you're going to have ups and down. even if you're making money. But I think if you have, like you said, trust

and you just have that open communication where y'all know y'all are going to figure it out together, that's what you're supposed to have is love and trusting each other. But sometimes, you know, finances overpowers all of that because if you can't pay the mortgage and then we lose our house and then we have to, you know, move in with our parents

and stay in the basement. It's like, then you're not horny. Like, how you can't even be horny if you're not making money in a relationship? I don't know. When I was broke, I was probably... What? Give them the best I had.

Younger, younger. As a younger. As a older. man like you can't be horny and you broke like it's not even you're not even thinking about sex you like yo bro i don't even know if we're going we'll be living next month you know what i'm saying like well i can guarantee out of those 40% of divorces that are about money it's never about her not making enough money oh no all 40% i'm sure because he isn't making enough money absolutely the men are supposed to be the ones that bring the bread into the house and you know the women are supposed to take care of the house

and home and make a house feel like a home and all of those things that they just made up years ago, but then Beyonce said independent women. Yeah, I act like she forgot. They forgot. They act like they forgot. She said that. What happened to the independent women? Ian, how many... See? How many divorce do you think happened over COVID

because of crypto? She's probably 10, 15%. You got it in the wrong time. Boy, you fuck that back. Yeah. How many relationships are over because of NFTs? Probably another 2, 3%. Why, we don't talk about like those things that would, like, being on a time.

timelines at one point and now people hardly ever talk about them anymore. Like, NFT is just thing that's like... I do when they say it's hate. Oh, you talk about it? Oh, yeah. The NFT thing to me was something that people that just were not cool, tried to create a world where they didn't have to really be cool. Yeah.

And not be outside. Like, because I'm like, okay, you have a Bosciat, where? And you show me a picture in your phone or some digital shit. That's not a Bosciat. Like, it's like digital Instagram. Like, people wanted to show off shit that they didn't have to try and finesse women that they couldn't get normally. Right.

Same cycle. Yeah. Same cycle. And I fall on the same side as more with the NFT stuff, but the more I think about it, our actual currency isn't real. It's all make-believe. So why not try to catch a lick off the NFD liquidation? Because I know some people that did make-

They made money, yeah. And they weren't art collectors. They were just the same way they day trade. They were just saw a lick and like, well, this will disappear soon, but let me catch some money. And I'm not mad at them, but for the people who is like, this is going to be more valuable than the actual building up pain. And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, no bank is buy.

And for all of all, I'm not. no NFTs. I hate no crypto. Shout to y'all. I love y'all. But it was a lot of hustle. Yeah. That was into it. And I don't think most men want to put in time to be greater to craft. They want enough money to be able to finesse women

out of sex. To be able to finesse women out of sex. That's all that shit. Like, if we're going to be real, all the Instagram, all the car, I see a lot of cap-ass shit. I'm like, yeah. It's so you can slaughter into the DM and get some pussy you probably don't deserve. I'm not hating. I'm not doing a damn accent. But

That's what it comes down to. Well, men are simple. We would just need, like, a lazy boy chair in a TV. And we'd probably be okay. And what is it? We get nicer things to impress women. I like nice things. A good combo, though.

Some throw it on a lazy boy? Let me get that nice. Yeah. On a lazy boy? See, I was. That's what I did you join with the cup holder? What was the last time you seen a chair with a cup holder? Stop.

It's been a minute. It hasn't been a long time. Y'all is sick. Speaking of crypto and NFTs, is that something that you're going to? to discuss at the next revolt summit or where are we at with that? Oh, my gosh. Sorry for being an asshole. Take that.

And will you be at the next revolt summit? Shout to the Tavio, I probably will be. Well, buff stepped down. Yes. Two days ago. So you could step up. I could. I could.

Do you think he should sell it to 50? I would. I think he need to lay low for two or three years. Like, he's in some hot water, man. And I don't know how he'll be able to escape this one. I was talking to somebody last night about it and, you know, he was saying like, yo, you know, it's funny. All of this news came out about Puff and these things, these allegations and everything hit the net and he has to step down from all of these companies that he's the officer of and these things because I think in her lawsuit, she sued director and officer. So he had to step away from revolt as a result of that.

I just don't know, like if Puff doesn't address the culture and have like a real. real sit down and really talk and talk to these allegations and and deny what's not true and accept what is. Yeah. How do we, how do we accept puff back after some allegations like this? Like, he can't just pop back up and be like, yo, new album, new, new Sirac flavor. Like, I don't think he could go that way. We've seen it done before.

We've seen it. He's done it. When has he had allegations like this, though? Tupac. No, but that's, that's different. That's that's allegations from somebody saying. And Keithy been talking forever. Yeah, but that's not, I understand what you're saying, but that's like violence. That's like, you know, I'm talking about sex, like rape, sexual abuse.

And that's also a small community of YouTube. Like, I watched all that stuff. But my mom texts me when this news about Puff. She's never been like, yo, do you think Puff had something to do with Pock's death? My mom's never sent me that too. And those are speculative. This is just flat out more definitive. Right.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, at some point he's going to have to address it. Like, if he wants to be a public figure. I think we're just entering an era where people want truth. And unfortunately, the most of... No matter how dark it is? You're going to have to.

You're going to have to. Like, when Robert Donnie Jr. went to his rebrand, he had to come forward and tell a truth. Like, you can't lie and have a persona and have a cloud hanging over your head. now he may have to lay low for two years, go to therapy, do that whole, hey, I'm a change person, what's a dark time for me. But if he doesn't address it, I don't see how he's heralded as the icon that he is. Do we think he even wants to be a public figure anymore? Absolutely. I think he has to

be addicted to that spotlight, man. That's his whole personality. That's who he is. He's one of the kings of our culture. Of course. He has to, he has to, the spotlight has been on him. He has, he's been in the spotlight over 20 years, at least over 20 years. At least over 20 years. I mean, you can't just not be in the spotlight because then how do you operate now? But Puff has had, I mean, he's definitely been through some shit, whether it was like with the shine thing or, you know,

obviously everything would big. Not to say everything's been great for Puff in the limelight, but the limelight has been good to Puff and it's been forgiving to Puff. Yeah. It was, of course, sexual assault and robbing publishing are drastically different things. But Puff has been under scrutiny through most of his career and everyone still love Puff.

Yeah. This is different. I don't think he's going to like the limelight the way he once did. He's never had this type of line. But for business purposes, he's going to have to. Because I don't think that he's in the right,

like when the Delion thing got taken away, now you're back in the entertainment space where you have to be public-facing to draw enough equity to the products that you're promoted. Like, Revolt's not doing as great as everyone think it is. I mean, I'm sure they spend a lot of money. Yeah.

I think there's still a young, company that they're not even really in the profit world yet or thinking that way. I think that comes in another 10 years. I think they've been doing great with the slow burn process that they're what, like 10 years in now? Yeah. They've partnered with the biggest from breakfast club to drink champs. Like they always do find the right cultural stuff.

Shat the assets of a liability every Monday. So they partner with the right people. It's just more of a slow burn rather than them trying to get. Is it slow burn or wrong business model? I don't think in the content game per se, especially when they're kind of, I don't think there's anyone like them within our space. There's a bunch of different production companies and TV networks elsewhere, but within our culture revolt is by itself.

So they have the ability to take the slow burn. And it's not the same as, you know, playing with NBC money. It's different. Yeah. So I thought they were doing fine. I didn't think they were in the profit business yet. I think it's great that he stepped down. so it could continue to move forward.

But as someone that was affiliated with it, where do you, where's your last week then as far as what it looks like now that my name has been attached to somebody that has these accusations? As far as Puff? Yeah. You gotta just be honest at some point, man.

I don't think he can just pop back out in four months and being a new video and everyone's like, it's okay. But to be honest, I don't think hip-hop gave a fuck about what he did wrong. There's too much that hung over his head from 94 either because they want to access to him wanted his help or was afraid of him he's still not nothing to play with y'all can crack all them jokes y'all want to

on the line end up like waleigh be easy he's still not nothing to play we'll definitely we know wallace and i love you i fuck with you but how strong you got to be to hold the motherfucker up wear their shoes in the air i mean it's um wiley's probably a little taller than me probably like a pause probably like two 10 maybe two bodyguards

Yeah, I think. Two bodyguards are getting up? That's easy to get to Wally over the realm. Yeah. But we've known Puff to be, quote unquote, the boogeyman. The way Shug had that reputation, we've known as of recent that Puff has kind of been that for real. Yeah.

People can joke, laugh, he dances, this and that. Yeah. We know what time it is, but that doesn't mean we should be quiet about it. Like, I don't think we should speak out only because we think someone might be pussy. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's called selective politics. and I've never been down with that. Period.

So why don't y'all phone with everybody who's doing it and everybody who do grimy shit in the business? Like who? It's a few. There's a couple of the content creators who be doing some foul shit, some in Jersey. I don't fuck with him, though, man.

Who? I'm not talking about it. Oh, I didn't know what we're talking about. Yeah. I'm not aware, are we saying, within the podcast world, just in general. I'm not fully aware of,

of everything everyone's done in their past. But anytime something, even when it's been within my own camp and attached to one of my businesses, I've, first person to speak about it, I'll talk on my podcast about it, I'll talk on socials. I try to stay as consistent as I can. Now, with that said, I'm not also going to take my time when we leave here to go research everyone's personal life. Gotcha.

And make sure that I'm speaking up about everything that they maybe did behind a closed door. Why do you think everybody in the industry turned a blind out to it? It was a fear or because they wanted to be close? to them. I think it was both. I think people, people, a lot of people, that was the way they made money. Yeah. They was directly attached to him or worked with one of his companies. Maybe some fear as well. Yeah. But I don't know if it's fear of like physical harm or financial. Yeah. I think it's more so financial if you ask me. A lot of people don't know what their next move is if they don't have this move. Yeah. So you can't blame people for that. But at the same time, you know, like I spoke last week, I just don't understand. how you could sit back and know that that was happening and still function day to day. Like, how could you even focus on knowing things like that are happening around your workspace?

Yeah. Like, I just, I don't get it. I understand people got to make money and take care of their families. I get that part and I respect that. But at the same time, I just don't see how you can focus to a point where you try to block out what is actually going on and able to function day to day. And the music business you've had to do, the music business since the beginning has been run by gangsters, right? Well, yeah, absolutely.

So I think it's part for the course. Well, I guess we rightfully so pick and choose crimes that we find more heinous than the other. Absolutely. Like, you know, you could say ex-drug dealers financed a label. Yeah. When you get down to the politics of that, maybe actually ruining a community and people did die over that. We don't particularly care about that because there is more into that backstory of how drugs got here, this and that. But when it comes to sexual assault or harming women, that's just the clear one.

We'll let some heroin go. though. True. We kind of get it. There's some type of American history in there that has forced some people to sell drugs and make the best situation of what it is. But yeah, we can pick and choose. I think there should be a buffet with crimes within the music industry of what we tolerate

and what we don't tolerate. That's true. Because some have understanding and some don't. Yeah. But I can be an objective too. Like, let's say I'm signed to Bad Boy as an artist. my relationship with Puff only is that he gave me in advance a recording budget he's helping market my product we went to a few appearances together I went to maybe one party

what do you want me to do like I get it as much as we did talk about it yeah a few people that that brought a voice to the media because no one was talking about it yeah I get why some people shut up like what is it even their place to do it if they have no real affiliation with And I've heard a million things. You kind of looked even crazier if you're that guy in the music industry because we've all heard rumblings of a bunch of different people. Yeah. That just one day I'm going to get out of bed and be like, yo, I heard this about this exact.

I have no evidence. I just heard it. And now I'm on a microphone talking about someone's reputation in regards to sexual assault. And I didn't see it happen. So what do you really want people to do? So we can't say anything if we didn't see it happen. Once again, I think there's a line. Also, I think the fact that one of his relationships that was so.

public and that so many people kind of like, you know, enjoyed watching just from an aesthetic, a good looking couple. Yeah. For her to come out and say those things were happening, I think that shocked everybody. Yeah, absolutely. So I think that was the reason why people were like, whoa, like, we actually liked that couple. We actually like, we didn't have no idea that, well, the public, public did.

Some people knew what was going on. We didn't. Yeah. So for that to come out, for her to say those things, I think you had to speak on it because we spoke on it when it looked like it was all good. Like, yo, every time you see them, they look good, dress fly, you know, whatever, whatever. Like, great-looking couple. Yeah.

But now she's saying that she experienced all of these things in that relationship. It's like, I think that threw everybody for a loop. Like, oh, shit, we had no idea. From the outside looking in, it looked like things were great. I think from 24 to 34, we're going to go through a period where people stop buying and stuff of sides. By going back to your point, a man with too much money, there can't be some red flags there. Oh, yeah.

So I think we have to stop getting caught up in the video. of what looks good versus is it actually healthy. Okay, so I need to know. How many women you didn't get off this money bag drop you'd be doing? Because every time I pop on the ground. Yeah. Well, like you, I want to talk about money. Okay.

Trying to make the conversation about money. I'm trying to make it cool to talk about money. I've met a lot of conversations have happened. Okay. A lot of women have DM. That's the PC answer, you. No, no, no, seriously. A lot of women have DM me about leaving money back.

bags when they're pictures. They don't know what it means. They just want to know what it means. Yeah, you try to give them a bag or like what you mean? Okay. I'm not. That's not what you is. You're a trick? No, I don't trick. Diversifying his bonds is what he's doing. Yeah. It's just, um, just showing a love and support for a great art. Gotcha. It's like an NFT, if you will. It's not, I'm not giving you real money. Got you. You know what I'm saying? I'm giving you the, so the more money bags and more valuable she is to you? Not to me, but I think to the market. To the market. Got you understand what I'm saying? So you're like Sotheby's with the bad.

Exactly. Introducing the IP of the baddie. Yeah. I'm helping her build her financial portfolio. I'm helping, you know, people go to her pays. They understand. It's kind of like the Michigan Star. You know that this is quality.

You know when you come here, you see the money bags, this is quality. This is a brand that I can trust. You are her Jordan Belford to her Steve Madden. Okay. Only when they went public. I like that movie too. Got you. And then naturally, the pump and dump happens after.

Exactly. Got a pump and dump. You did a pump and dump? You did a lot of pumping dump. You did a lot of pumping dump. He's a lot of pumping don't. I'm not going to allow what to happen. He asked you a direct question and you didn't answer.

A single part. How many women have you fucked off dropping a bag? How many women have you fucked from dropping that emoji? I'm not, I don't think I've fucked women off dropping them also. But no, no, no, listen. Listen, I'm being honest. I don't think.

We're not doing that. Oh, no, now I have a lot of conversations start with that comment. I've had a lot of conversations start because a lot of women don't know what it is. Gotcha. They see it. But then now when they get it, they're like, oh, shit, like, I'm next. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? No. now I'm next. Okay, then follow-up questions since you're avoiding. Out of the conversations it started, how many of those women did you penetrate

once the conversation was done? With your cock. Jesus, Edd. Jesus. Sorry, sorry. You put the paws on? Yeah. Where are the paws on?

Oh, yeah, where are the balls? That's no pause Eddie right there. Yeah. I don't know. Who's count? Maybe four. Okay. Boom.

Didn't we just talk about authenticity and media? We were just talking about that. No, I'm serious. Four women. Yeah. Did you just, Do you just pull the woman, I only have five bodies.

That's the equivalent. Your, Ian, I promise you. They think I'm out here throwing my shit around. I'm really not, though. I promise you, I'm not. You have seven years in, I think, of the emoji? No, maybe five. I can divide.

Yeah, maybe five. I can averaging a body a year. Yeah, I can do the take over. For that, yeah. Fam. Yeah. I don't believe that. Because I'm really not.

I really don't, I don't turn into a sexual conversation. Which is smart. You played a long game? You asked what they're reading. You not even played a long game. Because you know what it is. You can see a beautiful woman, and I've experienced this, beautiful women. Aesthetically, she's great, everything.

But then when you meet them in person, you're like, Oh, you're not that in real life? Oh, that's the worst. So that's why I don't, I'm not shooting my shot on. A lot of these women I don't, I've never met in person. So it's like, I'm not shooting over, like, in the DM because I've seen some of these women in person. And I'm like, I should go take all my money bags back. She lived in person.

Damn. I ran to a couple of them like that. It's like, and she smiled too hard. She got the side tooth. The love seat is missing. It's like, oh, I didn't. You don't look different in person than to do a real life. Yeah, and I'm just like, oh, your feet is ugly.

You're a picky dude. Have you ever got what I like? All the bad bitches got ugly feet. No, not sure. No, no, no. All the bad bitches have ugly feet. I've seen a lot of bad bitches with ugly feet. I don't have ugly feet, but I've seen a lot of bad bitches with ugly feet.

Well, I've seen some, not all. I don't say all of them got ugly feet. But a lot of them. I've seen, yes. And then it's like, you see them in person. It's just not what you thought. Yeah. It's just not.

So that's why when people say, yo, you out here fucking, it's like, bro, I wish y'all can see these girls when I see them. Because it's not what y'all think it is. It's really not. So that's why I'm not out of here. Yo, what's up? Because I know if I see you in person, I might not be attracted to you. Anybody on your roster come from the money bag, drop?

I'm just doing analytics. How do you got on the roster? Bro. He's sipping from that is hilarious. I don't even have a roster. Oh, my lord, bro. What? Bro, I don't have a roster.

You look at a big cap segment. Bro, I don't, I don't know, I don't know. You know, I don't have a roster. have a roster? I do not have a roster. Yeah, one special person? I don't even, I wouldn't even say I have one special person. Come on, bro. I don't. So you're out here not getting no pussy. You don't tap? I mean, if I want

pussy, I can get pussy, but I'm not saying that's not like, I'm not like in a relationship. I don't have a roster. I don't have a roller decks. I could like, yo, I'm going to get pussy from her today. Like, I don't live like that. Let me see your Apple music artist of the year. I'm going to see if you get pussy. It's drag. I got to. All right. All right. See you. Get pussy. Yeah. Because I listen. Which Drake records.

Pull up your Apple. Drew Picasso. Oh, you definitely fucking. But I told you when I heard that record how phenomenal I thought that record would. Because you weren't some pussy when you heard it. Drew Picasso? Yeah.

Phonomenal. I thought that was a phenomenal record. Like, that doesn't mean I'm getting pussy because I thought a record was phenomenal. Drewa Picasso is my top song of the year. Number two? Number two is members only. You're not listening to these records

by yourself, not getting pussy. What do you mean? I've been. bobbing by yourself. That is great. We were at the airport and we were standing there at the baggage claim. You say, yo, what song you listened to? Because you heard me saying it.

What was I listening to? Yeah, he was. Because he was probably texting the girl. He was fucking couldn't wait to get home. What? I was just listening to the music. You probably texted and say, yo, I'm listening to our song. No, y'all do it.

I don't listen to music and just think about fucking bitches. I don't do it. No, ma'all be in the studio playing like. I listen. I just like good music. I'm not thinking about. Bro, listen, I'm 42. I'm not as horny than it used to be, bro.

I don't think about pussy all day. I promise you, though. Like, if I'm listening to good music, it's not because I'm like, yo, I'm about to get up with the girls. I'm just listening to good music. Just half today? Hmm? Half today, you think about it? No, I really don't think about pussy as much as I used to.

And I thought about that. I'm like, damn. When you hit your 40s, it do change. It's like, I don't. It's like, I don't. And then I see young, like, a lot of younger dudes that I know. And they're like, damn, they text the group chat. Yo, we at the club.

And I'm like, yo, bro, y' y'all been at the club the last four nights. What the fuck are y' y'all doing? Yeah. Getting pussy. I didn't even know the clubs were still a thing in New York. Like, I don't even know if you asked. What are you talking about? If you asked me what club to go to in New York, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to tell you.

But you're not supposed to be. The younger generation should know, though. Ian, how do you go out? What's your, what's a night out? Like, not even on a date night. Which is your vibe? Lounge, club. Here?

Yeah. Give me here and then give me Houston. Here, like, I may just do like say less of some of friends real quick. Pop like six eight of us. Just chill. I mean, they're in there. I'm a thought for that. That's some thought shit.

It's a little thoughty. It's not even good. He didn't even get. It's true. Like, locate. The food wear? Say less. Yeah, you're paying for the ambiance and.

And the escorts are in the back sitting there drinking. They're not in the front. They're in the front. Taking limit shots all night. You drop money bags on them too? Oh, no. Escorts? Oh, I'm sure.

I've dropped money bags on escorts that I didn't even know was that. Does it on cards. That's a lot of them. Yeah. I found out. I was like, wait a minute. She sells that. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute. She sells that. Yeah, I never. I never knew. I see somebody's going. I'm like, wait, what? Yeah. Wow.

I'll say back to the broke to having money conversation. More of a letdown than finding out Santa wasn't real when I was a kid is finding out how many women sell pussy. Heartbreaking. Yeah. Like, I wasn't naive. Like, I wasn't that green. But once I got money and the offers, I was like, you sell pussy too? Man, it's crazy.

You ever take it? No, it's like, it's a lot. Like, a lot of women sell pussy. No, I've never bought pussy. I paid for it in the long run. Like in relationship? Yeah. Got you.

And heartbreak. Yeah. Like, it really kind of made me look at the world in a different way. I was disappointed. Yeah. You think all these girls are going on their trips because everybody's like a boss babe and... Yeah, of course. It's tough, man.

Don't do that. Don't do that. I'm not shocked to the women that are building real businesses, but I know... Shout out to those, yes. Yeah, that are really doing it. But it's a lot of women who are acting as if they're really selling candles and shit and they... Ain't nobody. buying that many candles.

Plus, he comes with the candle? You can't go to Bob for a week on selling. For real. Yes, you can. How many candles are you selling? Because the candles is 2499. God damn it. I know how much it costs to the dollar.

The margin may be $12. Yeah. How many candles you got to sell to going a $15,000 vacation? Like, stop it. We could just be real. And we're not mad at it. Zero when you have someone with $15,000. Yeah, exactly.

See, somebody that's willing to pay for it. All right, so I think we're a little judgmental, and I think we're a little hard on the girls that go on the quote unquote ho trips. If you are in your 20s and your home girl came up to you and said, hey, I got this athlete friend that will fly all 10 of us

out first class to stay at a resort, all expenses paid, food, everything. Are you going to say no? No, in my 20s, I probably would have to win. Like, we give these women like a tough break on that. Yeah, I ain't mad at it. I'm not mad at it at all.

I mean, get your shit off. But don't try to come back and then say, yo, nah, I want you to be my man. What? Oh, no. Now if you're dating her, that's fucking crazy. But not every girl on the whole trip is giving up pussy. Some are just going for.

What percent is there? Come on, we're going to talk. It's always one in the background. It's like, yo, but not, oh. Yeah, right. 60%? I'll go low. If there's 10, if there's 10 bitches on the whole trip.

Six fucking. Okay. So what about the four? That's not. They on a period. They sucking dick. That's not. Damn.

Throw goblin. Throw goblin. They synced up on the airplane there. Well, What does happen? Is there six other guys on the trip? There's one guy. There's never one guy.

No, often there is, often there is one guy. One guy? One guy with 10-year-old. I get it. No, that's a thing. That's a thing. I've nothing mean the one guy. He's not hitting all six then.

Exactly. Like one is, like it's like one nipples, one of a show. You can't fucks. One is there to record everything. Exactly. Being on nipple duty would be nice. Yeah, but somebody fucking the, the landscapeer though. What?

Landscaper get pussy too on them. What's the landscaper? You know what? I know somebody. Landscapers, you got the landscapeers fucked up. In Turt by. They fucking. Too much more.

No, I know too many niggas. And Mexico. Yeah, they fucking. Don't get the landscaper. No, I know there are. But the bitches that are getting brought on the whole trips by the NBA players are not fucking the landscaper. There's bitches that are fucking the landscapers.

But those are the bitches who do lashes for a living. They're fucking the landscapers. Well, let me just scrape like that. They're going to be judgment. Let me have a vulnerable moment. I could be cool with finding out that my girl once upon a time went on a ho trip with six of her girlfriends and six guys. How many years ago? He ended up fucking one of the guys on the trip.

Great question. I could stomach that way more than finding out my girl went on the ho trip with one guy and six girls. Why? What? You just here to service one dude? No. They're not all fucking the one dude. They're not.

They're not there for a company. Depends on the dude. Yeah, they're there for the look. Sit at the table. We have a friend in the podcast community that was in an open relationship, and she told me her and her man used to order six chicks legally. Swag. And they would go down there to fuck all six of them.

But that same person also said in that same conversation that not all girls had to give up pussy. Yeah. One of my ex-girls went and didn't give off the pussy. You believe that law? You believe it. No, it came straight from the source. She didn't. Oh, okay.

I was proud of her. source that she held her ground. How many groundkeepers, the pool boys, and all those kind of jobs? Bell boys. Do you think Drake has gotten pussy? Oh, my. All of them. If he gives them Dap on the way out,

all of them. That's true. Think about it. All of them. Every last one of them. They all went knock the Nike shirts with Turks on the other side. Imagine cutting grass and knocked them. Yeah, they went to knock the shirts with the knock the slides.

Yeah, they've been knocking bitches down too. I know. That's unfortunate because the times Drake has given me dapp in public. No girl has came up to me afterwards. Nah. I keep putting videos out. They probably thought I was 40. Like, I used to go to studio.

He doesn't have time. Last time you were here. Well, actually, do we want to go through our Apple Spotify? Yeah. I want to know what Ian listens to. Because, Ma, you're not getting away with that. I saw Don Tolliver. This is all getting pussy music.

We're going to do artists. Let's do artists first. Let's do artists first. My top five artists of this year, number one, OVO Aubrey, shout to act. OVO and Chubs Number two is Doja Cat

Number three Rosalia Let's go Four Don't Oliver And number five The King of Pop The new one Benito

Yeah All right Let's go I got Number one Drake Number two Don Tolliver Number three

Brent Fires Number four Jazi That was surprising Me I did listen to a lot of Jawsy Great project

And number five Nick Grant Shout out to my guy Nick Grant I will say this though Just for the sake of talking, Rory isn't my top ten artists that I listened to this year. Oh, thank you.

So number six? He's number ten. I saw Maris posted hers and I was nowhere to be found. I don't even think you gave me a stream. What did I post directly after? You found some old. We didn't see that. No, he didn't see that. Because somebody asked me that question when I posted that and was like, why isn't Rory and you're wrapped? I saw it. I saw your response. Made no sense. She heard it mad time.

I knew your album backwards forwards. I was going to say she heard it mad times before that. Still, when I listen to your album, I go to the exclusive Spotify link that us who are in the credits have. So no, I don't listen to when I Apple. Go give me the streams. I don't use that link. I use regular Spotify.

Because it's just, it's an automatic thing because there's songs on there that other people don't have. It's your top song. Wait, wait, wait, finish, finish. We got to give us your top five artists. You know, Rory's number one. No, Drake is number one.

Of course. I'm number two. Sick. Frank is number three. Jay Z is number four. Kanye at number five. I'm going to go my. I'm going to go my 10.

I have child at 6, Siza at 7, Adele at 8. Okay. This is a new one for me, and I think it's because of the joint album. I have 21 Savage. Oh, yeah, me too, bro.

Blue my fucking mind. And then I have little brother at 10. And then J-elect, Tyler, Kiana Lidey. Nice. Number six, I had Siza, seven, Diddy. Eight. It's a good album.

Sean Smith. Nine, Mata, 10, Rory. Chautam. Hey. 11, Conway, the machine, 12 out. Ian, what's your 6th, Shot A was number 13 for me to do. There's a little Spotify.

I don't know if Spotify does top 10. I'm on my Apple. I know. I'm saying of all of us, Ian's the only one that uses Spotify. Me too. No, I do too. Okay, let's go.

Add in Europe. Go. Top five. Drake, Bad Bunny, go figure. Kanye West, Todd, the creator, and 21 Savage.

Wow. Yeah. You're well-rounded. Yeah. Drake, Keanu Ladee, Summer Walker, Siza, Beyonce. I very obviously hate niggas. Go ahead.

Wow. Drake is your number one. Because he cheated the algorithms with that long ass album. How is that cheating the algorithm? You still listen to it? Because when you put that album on and just like let it play,

I'm not listening to that album in its entirety. I'm not doing that. Drake's. His latest album. So it's like just like to get through the entire album, he has more songs. So technically they're counting songs that I play. He's going to get more played.

You could also not listen to it. You can listen to one once and it automatically doesn't become your number. one most part album of the year. How many times do you think you listen to the album? You said what? It tells her. How many times?

It says I've listened to, as far as Drake, I've listened to 1,400,400 Drake men. So how many records are on the album? 24. Which your top albums are the year? My top album is Grudges by Keanu Ladee, but Drake is underneath that. All right. See, that's my point. Julian?

I'll go. One is Drake. Two is Terris Martin. Three is Mac Miller. Forrest Jameson, five is Tyler the creator. That's your top artist? Yeah. And then again, they dinner party division.

So what Drake got to do to be considered the greatest all the time? Because he's number one or all our list. He doesn't have to do anything to be considered. No, I think he is. At this point, I don't even think you can argue. Whether you like him or not, you got to respect the work ethic, the longevity, the run that he's on. I mean, the amount of hits. Why don't people stamp it, though?

Ian, when you say the greatest, what do you mean? The greatest at what? Yeah, that's what I would ask. He's one of the greatest artists. I'm not even going to just rockin'n't because he's not just rap. But see, that's the thing. Like, he's saying, why don't... He's giving us a dance album in the last 18 months.

Which I thought was fire. Everybody going to fire. This was a vibe, yo. It is, but like one of the greatest artists of all times. Okay, greatest artists are the reason why we don't. Like, we say Jay Z is the greatest rapper of all time because Jay is a rapper. Through and through. That is what Jay has done for 25 years.

he's rap. Drake's biggest thing that he contributes is the reason we don't call him the greatest because we wouldn't know what to call him the greatest at. You just say he's one of the greatest artists of all time. I think that's fair. But then you get into Michael Jackson conversations. But then that, I think, separates Drake from Hove. Because we never put Hove and Michael Jackson in the conversation.

But we will say Hove is the number one rapper of all time, which we won't give to Drake. Drake is one of the greatest artists of all time. And I think that's the only way to put it is. I mean, I don't know why and how people still. argue that. I mean, it's in front of you. I get it. Streaming error is different than it was for an artist like Michael Jackson when it was really actual physical albums. Yeah. The numbers that Mike would have done in this error fucking crazy in the streaming error, but you can't make Drake a victim of his error in when he was going and when he was, you know, an artist. So I think that it's undeniable

and people just have to accept it. He is one of the greatest recording artists of all time. Can I tell you guys what my top song of 2023 was? Yes. Too many bubbles in the bathtub. I knew that. I knew that it was going to be that. Okay.

Yeah, my recap this year is drastically different. Like, I have a lot of Adele in my top songs. That album is so good. Frank Ocean Blonde. Amara loves like she calms down when that goes on. So blonde is my number one album of the year over my album. But for the dogs at number three, for top albums of 2023 makes no sense to me.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. How? Certified Lover Boys. 148 plays. I'll be honest with you. I think I listen to For the Dogs maybe three times.

But they don't mean the album. When they say 148 plays, they're not talking about the album through and through. They're talking about songs off the album. Because between that's why it cheats when you have more songs on the album. It counts as more plays for the album. But like SOS is at number four. I know for a fact I've listened to SOS way fucking more than for the dogs.

Yeah. That shit is weird. But these are always fun to look at. I know everyone. thinks they could be the music snobs. I think this pulls people card. Like, I like this. Absolutely. It shows really what you listen to.

I can't believe that. You are a Drake fan, sir. Stop with all this fucking underground shit. You keep talking. One of my top albums of the years, the best of shot A. I don't know how that is. That's number 50. You were talking something to that. No, 100%. No, bro, listen. I don't listen to rap before noon. Okay.

So when I wake up, it's either shot A, Bob Marley. Gotcha. I listen to a lot of R&B. Yeah. I can't listen to rap. In the morning? I just can't. You said before 9 a.m.

You can't do it, right? Before 9. Before 2. That's my favorite time. Damn, you make them do the walk of Shane to the shardee? You're a bad, my fuck. No, you know, I just like this. That is rude.

Because that's inviting. That's like stay for breakfast. And you get out. And it's. I just love listening to R&B, bro. I just, like, in the mornings, like, I just, I can't wake up to the rat frequency. I can't. Yeah.

I can't do it. Well, outside of this being probably the weirdest year in music. Was it the one year? Yeah, I think the output of quality mixed with Spotify being a tech company and algorithms add in with TikTok. It's been one of the weirdest years in music history, in my opinion, from the creative side and the business side. And we can talk about that, but I would like to have the conversation you and I had a few months ago off mic when you came to the office about where podcasting is currently. Because this was probably the weirdest year for podcasting in the last seven, eight years. than it's ever been before.

The big deals are done. Money isn't dried up per se. The market dramatically different, though. If you don't have a core fan base, it's looking a little funny in the light as far as what your next moves are because they're not just passing out these insane deals to take risks.

Advertisers are done taking risks. Distributors are done taking risks. This is what it is. Your CPM is your CPM. And if it's not there, we're not fucking with you and we're not dumping a bunch of money to see if it grows. Yeah.

Where are you going into the next year with your platforms? Are you going to differ? Are you taking a different approach? For me, I'm looking forward to doing more shows. This is always my plan. Like when everything, like we have to blame Daniel for this as Spotify. Okay. Now I want to say it again, Daniel, if you are going to sue over the fake streams,

you're going to run into a lot of trouble with a lot of gangsters in the music industry. Stop. You're going to end up in the stream and you have some issues you're going to. don't want. Do you end up in the stream? Leave it alone. You forget to fuck with them little robot farms and China and shit. Stop. Because you knew the numbers weren't real when you would distribute it in the money. But what's good for the goose is good for the gander with a lot of these labels are invested in Spotify and have not just a partnership. They have actual ownership. 28% right? Yeah. So the fake streams are good for everyone but the

artist per se because it just dilutes the entire market as far. as what a stream is worth, that was purpose. Yeah, absolutely. So I think the sue shit is smoking mirrors. Yeah. They're suing each other. It's all insider trading at the end of the day just to end up fucking over the people that they have to pay out.

Yeah, I agree. It doesn't exist. It's fake streams are like sending money to Ukraine and Israel. Like, it's just diluting. We're the only ones that are going to get fucked in the long run because you're ruining our dollar. Absolutely. So yeah, this is a show to me.

Yeah. I don't think he's going to run into any problems with anyone in the music business because it's good for everybody but the artists but the artists i think it was so many podcasts to begin with and let's be honest most of the shows aren't good so if the shows aren't good a lot of shows not passing the i test most shows are too fucking long there's a big space i think available for somebody to do short form content five to 15 minutes yeah people don't have four or five hours to listen to a whole bunch of shows so i think and then the business models are always wrong Like when I would go into like CAA or and I'll have conversations about how talent deals worked and all this shit.

And I'm like, why are you trying to give me this deal when we produce to show ourselves and pay for everything? Yeah. No. I think the business model has been broken. Like even taking ads all the time, I think it's a huge mistake. I think every brand needs to have a product or at least have equity in what they're advertising there. That's a horace game to just get your blue chew for the best. Dick ever when you put the money bags under the...

Hey, it works here. Code Rory Mall. Yeah. Right? All right. I feel you on the ad thing. It's funny. We just had a little back and forth, well, not back and forth, but a beef with the minimalist

podcast. It's funny. And yeah, we... Excessive beefing is a sign of the money drawn up, too. 100%. Well, when the money's funny, nobody's really hard. And we should get to that. Quickly on the minimalist shit, we had fun with that.

But I said at the end of that clip, he was making valid point. We are a podcast that does do ads. It's a large part of our revenue. Yeah. And our business model, at least for the audio side of things. Yeah. Whether it be not YouTube or Patreon. That is something that we are willing to put ads on for a revenue stream.

Now, I think with YouTube or paywalls, that's where you can get a bit more creative with your core to focus on the content that they specifically like. Yeah. This is almost a commercial for our paywall stuff. That makes sense. And for our YouTube stuff that YouTube will run the ad for, every now and then you'll see us do a YouTube ad, but not to any degree that it is with audio. Yeah. I think there can be a balance with it.

I do think it can disrupt a show. I'm not one of those people that doesn't understand that. And I could see as a consumer being a little upset, but, you know, there's also the second button. Have you got just done product placement? I don't know if we've done product placement. You kind of have done it. We've got a few. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I'm not going to say that. Yeah, don't say that. But moving forward with podcasting, I think it's fine when you record fan base because you can do the paywall stuff. Yeah. There's still a world where podcasters are going to need ads. I don't think they're going to get the same value that they once got.

No. But it has to keep the lights on to some degree. Not everyone is in the position to be able not to take ads. Why do most podcasters want a music? like deal when music like deals don't make money for most people. Right. I think that's just a huge mistake. I think specifically with our genre of podcasting, a lot of people did come from the music business first.

Gotcha. So that's the standard practice, which, but I'm with you. We saw how fucked up those deals were in the music business. And this is a completely different thing to begin with. Yeah. And I mean, when we did our, with the last pod with Spotify and even to some degree with our serious deal, they are structured a bit like music business deals. There's advances, there's recouping.

It is a similar process, but where Spotify I think screwed up was they didn't value the podcast of keeping someone on that app longer than a Drake album could. We're nowhere near anything that for the dogs is streaming. But Maul and I can keep someone on a Spotify app for 70 minutes straight. whereas the biggest artists in the world can't do that. And they were trying to value us at the exact same point. But then things shifted even more once we thought we were going to be valued. And Spotify put all their money into podcasting.

And you saw that go across the board. TikTok was introduced. And short form content became king. And we're not that. So our value of being able to keep people somewhere for a long time got devalued because the consumer is not into long form content anymore. That's where you see us chopping up a bunch of clips. That's where social's coming.

That's where it matters. So I'm in a place of understanding, but I don't really know where things are going to shift. It's kind of like not let's play it out, but just be aware of your content, your audience and what you want to do and navigate with what's coming. I think the media landscape is always the same.

Media was created. Like soap operas were created so that Procter & Gamble could sell soap against the product. if you don't own a product or like just our model market Mondays live shows you guys have invest fast off stock club if you're not selling a product or service attached to it rogan didn't want it yeah people didn't know he owned on it or a great portion of it i think if you're not going to a model where you're not advertising your own products like people are going to be a lot of trouble say what you will about alex jones and his politics he is an example

Ahead of his fucking time Absolutely He wasn't selling conspiracy theories He was selling supplements Colloidal silver He was screaming on the internet On a camera in his crib And getting billions of views

He wasn't he didn't care about that money Yeah He was selling supplements out that ass At the end of those shows Yeah So there needs to be something tangible there Yeah But to the point you brought up

People are beefing because it is trying up Yeah Whereas the convo you and I had a few months ago. Are there a lot of podcast beef right now? What are you talking? Y'all just did one. You're funny. You're funny. I think you fuck I think you fuck way more than four girls.

All right. Let me let me be clear for the room. Is there any beefs outside of us? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Everyone's gone back and forth. You don't. You don't. You don't. That's why I just asked. Even I say like even when D's Mero happened, those guys podcast. This is a problem. Adam 22 is Benin beef. Matt. Matt. Everybody. Gillian Wallow. Everyone has been in some form of a back and forth. They were beefing with Joe from like beef is. A lot of people.

You got to listen to Danny from the stop. He's the one that got all of you, remember? Put it on Danny. Even if you want to take Vlad, everybody piles up on Vlad. He's a vulture. That's a misconception. I've actually been very, I've complimented. You give him a lot of props. You're critical, but you, I think he's changed his platform drastically where I feel more comfortable. Watching.

Not only watching, but complimenting his interview skills, how he preps, the guess he get. I was critical of Vlad in the earlier days when I felt like he was exploiting younger kids that did not understand. I was never mad when grown men went snitch. That's grown-ass men. Why are people so critical of Vlad but won't bring that to Puff? also i'm gonna say too the music business never was never our so when we like the culture shit

what like Vlad and Lee Orr are deploying assets for their culture I don't know nobody black to own a majority of assets in music business so when I hear that that he's a vulture I'm like how but if puff is using artists not given him

is he a bigger vulture or is vlad I mean I've never thought of the puff the vulture it comes from because if you're not from the culture I think if you're not of the culture. So being of the culture gives you a pass to disrespect and cheating. It doesn't give you a pass, but it's like at least you're of the culture from the culture. You're not

just somebody coming. Are you harming this? Of the culture meaning being black or of hip hop? And it shouldn't be my face to bring this up. But I mean, Vlad was a DJ for real before. I had Vlad mixtapes. They were pretty good. Like, before he was doing content, it wasn't like Vlad popped up and just started

interviewing gang members. Like, listen, I'm not going to I got 30,000 views per interview would anybody call him a vulture. And I'm not capable for Vlad because he just came with us. I don't think so. So that's my question. But we pick and choose with that as well because I've seen people call Vlad a culture of ultra a million times, but wouldn't call Adam 22 that.

And I'm not even making that more of a white thing. Vlad was a DJ first and was within hip-hop culture early. Adam came from the BMX rocker world and then started interviewing SoundCloud rappers and now he interviews everybody and his gang members and a culture that is out of home. And I'm not calling Adam a culture vulture.

I'm just bringing up the point that it is, people do pick and choose, myself included. I've been guilty and been a hypocrite where I have called Vlad out for behavior that I've let other people slide not say anything. I just hold a grudge because he tried to say I was unintelligent because I didn't want to go on his show.

Why aren't you going to show? I have no interest on going. Can we get a Villas and Vultures tour going? I've been trying to do this for the longest time. Villas and Vultures? It would be dope as fuck. Well, you know what I was in Vultures tour? It would be tough, bro.

That shit, it'll be grand opening, grand closing. Niggins fighting first night. This podcast shit ain't real. It wouldn't be. I mean, I'm talking about the fake podcast. Not like ex-friend beef. That could go somewhere. These, these pod, no one's really beefing with each other.

And I've got to scrap with the minimalist. No. That's not a beef. I told Julian to reach out to him. I'll go on their show and debate. Rory hit me his morning and said, hey, let him know I'd go on their show. I was like, I don't think you open to doing anything with us. Yeah, that's fine. We just took down there, but that's the question I asked when I first came up here. I'm like, why don't more people collab?

Especially when the money's drying up. Everybody can pretty tough. When these shows start drying up and the money is gone, and I think, honestly, in the space, all of us not doing something together has cost us not being on TV. I agree. Not being all the ego shit and y'all can, we're a camera mind.

Y'all not making as much money as y'all say. I ask y'all, how many podcasts make $4 to $7 million a year? Mm-hmm. See? How many make a million a year? Gross. Not many.

I can divide. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So y'all rather have ego than actually be on... Like, what the fuck? That's what I'm like, it befottles me.

Well, I mean, a lot of people, especially content creators and podcasters, are very much like hermits and love that they can stay in their house, not have to speak to people at all and can just yell in a microphone and stay by themselves and make money. Now, when we were talking, I was on that time, I went on bar stool right after the pod split. And at that point, Gilly and I had choice words back and forth, but we had squashed it. Everything was fine. Misunderstanding. It was nothing at all.

all. Okay. And I said to KFC on Barstool, I have no idea. I squashed that so quick because I didn't see the value in going back and forth with somebody when we could do shows together. Yep. When Joe and I went on Brilliant Idiots for the first time in 2014 or whatever, you can ask Andrew Shultz. The first thing I said was, hey, you and I should do joint shows. This is before Andrew took off in his stand-up. I said, we should do Brilliant Idiots. I'll name this podcast later, live shows. Like the offers I'm getting from, you know, Highline at that time or other spots were good, but four of us, we could go crazy. This was before podcast touring was a thing at all. I've been on this type of time, but I fully understand that there's too much ego with people. I think people rather

how the ego than the money? Yes. For sure. A hundred. A hundred percent. Some people. Yes. Some people. We were talking about when we first sat down here, the three of us, uh, Roy, and, um, We were saying what I admire most is when the comedy scene is how much they leverage it along. They get along. They leverage each other on a pedestal. If one person drops a YouTube special or a Netflix special or just has any new body of work coming out, they hit the circuit and they share. They just go for it. There's 20 of those podcasts.

They touch every single one in L.A., New York and now even down in the South and Austin, like they're such a healthy. And every, you know, community has its tend to. you. A comedian is the biggest ego. I'm funnier than you. That's what more can you, that's the whole impetus is I'm the funniest guy. Yeah.

They're the biggest narcissists on earth. They will still champion each other and lift themselves up. And I was getting so upset because I think it's a residual of hip hop where it's so tension and in negative. Yeah, it's too much ego in a negative way where it's you be willing to hurt yourself in your own just so you don't uplift and help someone else that's in your field, that's in your space, and I hate that.

But is that also a reflection of our fan base? And I'm not putting this on the fan. No, no, it's not. Not at all. Your fan base don't write in the comments. This is a, and I want to make. dictate our relationship with these people. The fans don't.

I want to make this very clear so words don't get misconstrued. When I say fan bases are demographics, I'm talking about the, Pod fan versus the comedy pod fan. Not a race thing because there's plenty of white hip hop fan-based people that we have that, I think, just thrive on us arguing and going back and forth. There's nothing within our pod community where kumbaya works with our fans. They want to see us go back and fucking forth nonstop.

The comedy pod fan loves to see three of their favorite comedians sit on a mic and be funny together. Okay. They want to see us go back and forth. Because we set that precedence. Because they know that we're not going to get along. We're in the seats to control how we interact with each other. If we argue, who doesn't like to see a fight? But if you choose not to argue, you choose to uplift people,

guess what? You think they're going to stop watching? Let me ask you this question. Because I think our fan base came from, we're not hip-hop podcasting, but it came from hip-hop. That's where it started. Yes. Wayne and Two-Chains just put out a joint album.

True. The hip-hop fan is going to skip over that collab album to go listen to a Wayne diss towards Two Chains or Two-Chains' Disch's Little Wayne. before they go listen to a joint album with two of their favorite arts. They don't want the kumbayashi. That's not fair because, yeah, they're older artists.

They're older artists. Drake and 21 Savage have one of them. That's an anomaly. That's different. Drake is a prime example. Yep. Is a prime example. Of what?

What is our of getting along? At some point, they've got to put a project out. What did they? They're going to do a tour. What was the response to that amazing first person shooter record? Who got who? Cole smoking him. Drake is washed.

Yo, I wish they just fucking beef. Yo, where's Kendrick? Is Kendrick going to diss them now? Is Kendrick getting on his beat? Right, but the point is they're in the position to control the narrative. And they've led with positivity. Not only did they put that out, they then two weeks later, a month later, they dropped evil ways with a video. And now everybody wants a joint album.

They control which way our mind goes. Well, people always wanted a joint album from those. Yeah, I think that, I think the genius and what they did was they didn't feed into it. They didn't feed into the beef shit. It was like, yo, this is really my friend. This is really my guy. Yeah. This is really like somebody I fuck with.

Yeah. And I think that they just made good on that with a great record. Yeah. And then they followed it up with another good record. Yeah. And then obviously they're leaning towards, okay, obviously we have records together. Obviously, there may be some more records together. And we know that people want us to do something, an album together.

I just think that with podcasting in our, in our demographic, it just is so much, this is mine. Like, I don't need you. I don't need that. I don't need this. This is mine, mine, mine. And I think that, cool, it can still be yours, but that don't mean that you can't set up work on my block and I can't sit there on your block and we can't, like.

Because we're the only space that doesn't do it. And also, as the deals get smaller, the audience to fracture, like a lot of these shows can go bankrupt real fast. Next year, if inflation continues to go up, half these shows are going to be gone. Very easy, because it's not cheap. There's a certain level of production when it comes to podcast now. It's not what it once was to maintain that.

level of production. Yeah. Cause fucking money. Absolutely. $1,500 ads aren't going to keep it going. But quickly, I'm not going to let you all get changed my point based off Drake. Oh, my God. Based off Drake and Dick Cole.

Dog, are the words we use now in just everyday language, spin the block, up, everything is about beef and confrontation. Just because Cole and Drake did one song together, you guys are not going to tell me that hip hop and hip hop podcasting, hip hop YouTube, hip hop live stream does not thrive. does not thrive, thrive. Triple, its views with confrontation. We're not denying that. Because clearly, I've made that argument with you guys before about that too,

even for our own sake. Right? It's at the sake, it's not worth it, though, that we're not collabing at the end of the day, or at least collabing more. We could still be making way more money in the long run than the spikes that we get from a diss or from a beef. Yeah, if every 50 episodes you have a beef, cool.

We get 2x listens because you, called out someone by name and then it comes back down it evens out and then you wait for the next time the beef warms up again the point is we control the narrative we control our relationship with these other podcasts utilize these other platforms but this is coming no this is coming from someone we kind of we collab with another podcast we call out of the podcast we're y'all doing it right now again it's not but we should we should do it more like exactly exactly it should be a common that's but that's i was just podcast in this city that haven't even It would never been come across working with.

Last year, we did a Hulu theater. It was just me, Trevor, Shiawe, we had Mayweather come. My first thought was... What four other people, huh? Settle flex is fine. I appreciate you for coming to the show. If I make you money, please put yes in chat. But what other five of us could do the garden garden?

And then when Shultz sold up that shit out twice, we always complain about the vulture shit, and we don't work together, and then somebody comes in and fills that void. we can't complain about like even with Vlad if a bunch of us got together and brought a platform together for artists and up and comer there would be no room for Vlad us not working together makes that fucking vacuum

well no what Vlad does there will always be room for him because he's willing to do shit other people aren't willing to do true so there will always be room for him because he goes out on a ledge that other people know better than to go out on but knowing that the audience does want to hear those questions just there's plenty of people in the media that keep a certain moral ground that they won't ask those questions.

So as much as you want to fault, Vlad, it is what the consumer wants to hear. Yeah. I've been critical of Vlad. There's been plenty of shit I've wanted to know with guests that he had on that I know only Vlad's about to ask that question and I would like to know that answer.

So it's just a weird... Like the whole Kee-D run. The fact that he got him to admit that shit... Well, I mean, he didn't have been out already, but... Yeah, but like... So let me ask you this to your point with the garden. and I'm trying not to be a pessimist the way I have been my entire life in 2024.

Yeah. But let's take ego out of it and just be realistic. If we were to all do a garden show, let's say the garden agreed. Yeah. Six of the biggest, seven of the biggest podcast is one podcast going to come in rightfully so and say, I know I'm going to move more tickets than you guys.

I need a different split here. Mm-hmm. And as much as you could call that ego, Yeah. It's kind of not. It's fair. That's fair. That makes sense.

And who's going to humble themselves? Where's the, that's what's great about festivals. Yeah. For the most part, artists don't pick that. If artists were putting together a festival, like all of us got together, that lineup would be a fucking mess of where people go, this and that. Thank God sometimes other people do that. And you just are placed in the slot that you're placed in. And it is what it is and shut the fuck up.

You guys saw that. If we all work together to do that, where, all right, what time slot am I in? What's my split on this? or advertising, who's doing what? Like, it does get complicated. Okay. Then you just drop in real ego and it gets even crazier. So why not model the festival format?

Mm-hmm. You guys tried that, remember with Roots? Remember you guys were in a lineup with different podcasts? You guys saw the difference? Yeah, but that was just, that in itself was weird because it was like, we didn't see anybody. Yad, yeah, I had a crowd. No, I'm just saying like we didn't see any other. of the other podcast.

Yeah, that's what I'm all not talking about, proud, other podcasters. Like, there was no, like, interaction with other, like, at all. Yeah, the structure was weird. Yeah. It was just like, yo, where's everybody at? Yeah.

Like, I didn't, two years ago? Yeah. Like, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, when they did date. That was the first time we actually met. But other than that, I didn't see anybody that we can, that was on the line up. I mean, and I know I sound like I'm the one

that's arguing against it. Billy and Wallow was hosting it, and I didn't even see, Yeah, I didn't see them. Yeah, I didn't see the podcast. I didn't see wheezy. Yeah, it was crazy. We saw the movie.

It saw like the end. All I know is I live my rhymes with this shit. So I don't mind being critiqued. No, I'm one of, because I don't have an ego and just start fucking yelling out how I help people because it's just not what I do. Yeah. You can ask the podcast community of who I've put with major agencies. I've gotten them their first lawyer. I got them their first deal.

Yeah. I have put people on. show bills, I have really tried to keep this podcast shit a community that we can really help each other. We're not, if I'm up, let me bring you with me. I don't think it's going to step on what we're doing over here. It can just help. I just see that it doesn't. No one talks about it because it's not good content. I can tell a story. I mean, me and Mandy are cool. She won't care. Mandy went on no jumper and was telling the whole last year she had this and that. I think I was like, oh, so what's up with Rory Maw?

Like, do you have a relationship? She was like, yeah, man, I guess I see them like every now and then is what it is. Yeah. Mind you, I had connected Manny and Bridget with UTA. Like, I was trying to help shop this. I was doing that. But that sold better. If Manny went up there and was like, yo, he helped me here.

He helped me there. That's not good content. Fans aren't going to give a fuck about that. I can argue that if the only thing that works is the beef thing, that the person, not because I fuck with Mandy. Love Mandy. Yeah. Just text. But if most people in the podcast and space can only do it.

drive interest off beef, you're not good. I agree. So that's what, like, if we get a comedian, you have us on, like, the financial space, you all, like, we can pick whoever and stagger it a certain way. Most people are not giving enough value.

Like, I think you can't have 15 people talking about the same shit. I think it's too many voices that are copying voices. So even people like, yo, you all more care about his integrity. It's like, but at least he's in his lane. I'd rather that than you copy and pair

what everybody else is saying. I mean, but everybody wants views. People are talking about the same thing because that's what's drawn views. This is the fucking Olympics. Like, I'm telling you, like, we are the World Olympics.

Like, if not, at some point, and people hate on Shultz too, I fuck with Shultz. At some point, if we don't do it, it'd be Shultz and Shane Gillis and Alex Jones and da-da-da, we're going to be like, why the fuck, then we do it? Listen, this is a creative meeting that we're just recording.

You already know where I stand. I'm down to put up money. Do everything to make something like this happen because I do believe it would be great for all of us. Yeah. But in any creative meeting, I'm always going to bring up the issues of like, is this even real?

And it's certain niggas, I'm just going to always have beef with it. I'm just let you know that now. Because that's just where I'm from. I'm from a small block in the Bronx. When can we end the podcast for beef? Huh? When can we end the podcast?

When the truth is on the table? See, but that, all right. See, this is the difference. That's very broad. We can end, me and Gilly went back and forth. That ended because that was a podcast thing. Yeah. But that was, I think you're at.

That wasn't beef. I know. See, that's another thing, too. We got to stop calling things beef. That ain't beef. That was just words exchanged. That wasn't beef. That was misunderstanding.

What I think you're alluding to is not a podcast beef. Gotcha. It was, it's a disagreement that came from a podcast, but it is not a podcast disagreement. Gotcha. Or beef in that matter, because we're using that loosely. no one's going to be harmed but that's different i think anyone can get over any podcast beef yeah like who cares about that yeah type of shit and then go in different green rooms like this is this is bigger than you're back and forth on a microphone for best buy yeah like if we do something in that regard

but we don't even support our shows i went to gillian wallow's show at at sony hall just sitting there they were like damn thank you for showing up i was like i feel like we probably need to do this more. We would have got you free tickets. I was like, I just bought a ticket because I think this is important. The live show aspect for all of us. Man, niggas got ego. Niggers never had nothing.

Niggas come from nothing. They finally got a little bit of something. And now they acting like they're too good to fuck with niggas. Would y'all say y'all have ego? Who? You too. Sure. Absolutely.

We all do. We all have ego, but I don't. Ego's healthy if you channel. I don't push my ego. Like, somebody wouldn't feel my ego. Like, you wouldn't feel it. Like, somebody wouldn't coming here, they would never meet me and be like, yo, he was kind of like, that would never

happen. Yeah. I salute that, but yo, what's up? How you doing? And that's it. Like, I don't push my ego on people, but we all have an ego. But I just think that in this podcast, the space, you know, when you had these cameras and mics on, you know, people start thinking they, you know, it's hard, that attention

that, you know, you start making some money. It's hard for some people to kind of like remember who they are for real. Put a name on a bullet if you're going to do that. Because they weren't anybody for real before the mics and the, attention. That's why we're the- put a name on bullets. The ego is protecting people from seeing. It's not even, I'm not even really, I'm not really particularly shooting at anybody individually. I'm just saying

just overall I think that's what it is. A lot of people this is a new platform and people are like you go outside, people stop and you want to take a picture. They want it. For some people, that's like they're so they ever wanted. They just wanted attention. They wanted notoriety. They wanted people to, you know, just stop them in the streets and take pictures and they wanted that. So now that they have that they sometimes feel like they don't want to share that because it was a time where people

wouldn't share it with them. Yeah. So now that they have their own little thing going on, it's like, they like, nah, niggum like, you ain't helped me when I was trying to get my shit off and trying to come up. So I'm not trying to. And I think that's where, which is corny to me. Like, it's like, bro, it's a podcast, well, what we're talking about? Yeah.

Like, we ain't rock stars. We ain't motherfucking like, when people ask me, yo, you're a celebrity. No, I'm not. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I still walk through Harlem. Go get a hit. not a celebrity, bro.

Like, I'm a regular nigga from uptown. I do a podcast. People like what we do, they enjoy it, they enjoy the conversations. Great. I love that. But I don't look at myself like a celebrity. You're a baddie curator.

That's true. But I've always been that. Celebrity second. Okay. See, I've always been that. I've always had pretty girls around. I've always been cool with the Q girl in school and all that. That's just what it was.

Gotcha. But now that it's a platform and Instagram and all that, people think that this is something, bro, I just always just like being around pretty girl. Girls. You don't give us awards in December? Like a top five baddy list, like Spotify got? Had a bad idea?

We had to do a baddie tour. See? Are they selling pussy on the tour? We're talking. No, no, no. No, no, we're not doing that. Oh, my bad. Okay, I'm sorry.

You're never doing that. I don't know. No part of that. That's how you get sex trafficking, charges a few years down the line and all that. No, no, no, no. We're not doing that. Yeah, we're not doing that. But I just think that, like, people like cars, it's auto conventions.

Javitsen every year. Why not have a bad convention Not a bad idea Because then you bring Pretty women that have real shit going on And with the villains and vultures and some music After party is a baddie convention Hi-key

Who would you put on your villain Setlist? Vlad Adam Who are some other villain Well they're villains They're villains and vultures Charleston White That's a good one

That's a good motherfucking edition People may not like them Content Fired though You still out there? Yeah, he's cooking. I like Charleston White. I just think sometimes I understand his message. Yep.

I understand like, yo, y'all glorified his rap shit and these rappers and the messages that they're spewing. But why not glorify, you know, the ones that's really in the communities doing the work and helping people and doing that? I understand. But sometimes he go a little crazy. And I know you have to be overt and kind of like out there to kind of like grab the attention. But I fuck with Charleston White. I just think sometimes it's like... What do you think you go too far with, like the Nipsey thing?

I think that him calling the dude that shot King Vaughn calling him like putting him on the same pedestals of Malcolm X is kind of crazy it's like bro what we'll be talking about you understand what I'm saying like now I understand

some of his messaging but shit like that is I'm kind of like it's too much that's just like come on it though why nobody check him on it though and that's the part I think a lot of people really don't care about what he's doing now somebody like me just because

I pay attention to certain things. I'm like, he's not wrong about that. Yeah. He's not wrong about that. Yeah. And then he showed you his track record. Like, I've been doing this since before the cameras was on. I've had organizations in the community helping kids and putting kids through school

and having after school programs going to these. He's been doing the work. So that's why I salute because he ain't just talking. He's really been doing it. I think Candace Owens is another one. Candace Fire. She's right on most things that she says. But because it's just been a unanimous.

name is thing that she's uh she doesn't like black people and um like i thought she said that but no i'm saying it's unanimous but people feel like that she's she's she's for white america that people just feel like because she's a republican and she's a white america whatever that's political shit do that i felt she was right when she said carty should not get into politics why because if the original hip hop was not politics it's not it's not political at all it was actually what that is yeah hip hop yes hip hop was not politics it's not politics it's not political at all it was not politics. What are you talking about? How hip hop started was a voice of the people

that was just, it wasn't about political view. We was going against the agenda in the machine. He wasn't getting into your vote for this person, vote for that person. That was never a hip-hop. Creating a counter culture is a commentary on political and social economics. The bottom line is this. She was right in saying that. Like, yo,

it's some things you don't know about this. So don't speak on it because you're going to speak on something that you don't know what you're saying. I didn't think she was wrong for saying that. I'm not mad at Cardi trying to use her voice to people to vote. I'm not mad at that part. Isn't it not a mistake for hip hop to not be involved in politics? Yeah, why can it evolve? Like, it can evolve from hip hop starting as a party. The fact that we're a public enemy 10 years later. All the culture talk that's good. We don't own

shit as the culture. No labels, no talent agencies. That's another thing. No private equity. All that culture talk. That's something like when Vlad and Leor do what they do, that's their motherfucking culture. What black own label is there that an artist can go to and pop? You don't have a black-owned platform. Shout to UTA. There are very few black-owned creative agencies. You can go to very few black-owned advertising agencies.

So what's culture? Most black people don't even like like being black enough to live in their blackness. What's culture? Talk it. Well, let me ask you then. Who would you just put everything in the white America bucket of ownership?

Yeah. Yeah. Leor doesn't own YouTube music. No. He didn't, I mean, he was an owner of 300 and a deaf jam, etc. But then Universal was really the, is it just because Leor is white in that per se? Because he doesn't really own shit either. Vlad owns his company.

Vlad does not own YouTube distributor. Yeah. YouTube tells Vlad how much they're paying him. It's not the other way around. Yeah. So does anyone own anything? The ones that own? But we don't need, those are faceless.

people. We can give Kanye West all the flack we want. And I used to find those Twitter rants a little funny as well. But when he did that one day when he was trying to find all the faceless people of Universal. Yeah. Like as much as I understand people saying Leor could be a culture vulture, et cetera, whatever, even though he started in hip-hop with, but I get it. Yeah. He also doesn't own shit. He's put in position because of who he is. And I get that point. but on the ownership side Leerr doesn't own YouTube. I don't think there are any vultures.

But going back to the tour point. You don't think there's any vultures? And the culture that we don't own? Bars. We won't take a stand and call people out when they do wrong. So we're not going to take a stand with it. Like, I've seen artists in the podcast space take deals and sell the rights to the show before it gets started.

I'm like, nigga, you are a thousand times more famous than all than me and Rosh. and Troy, what are you doing? I need the bag. I'm like, wait, a motherfucker. You're, I give you $14,000 if you need it. Right. I got some cameras.

What? Right. No, man, it's the way the business go. You're going to fuck up the value for everybody else then. And you see, they probably break up and fraction off. Even like the pivot shot to Fred and everybody, like, how y'all now stay together to have and they don't do it? And guess what?

Pack McAfee, slide his motherfucking ass right in ESPN. That should have been Chad them spot. but we don't work together Yeah but that That was something I think from what I understand Brandon Marshall had did some business That was kind of shady

Yeah And I think Fred and them They was like yo we ain't going for that And then Brandon started I guess lying on them Yeah Same things so in that situation It's hard to kind of work through that

Yeah Because once the damage is done We know first hand You can't sit across from somebody And be like yo Like because it's just always there It's like now the camarader and the trust and all of that is ruined.

Yeah. So it's hard to work through that sometimes. And, you know, you want to know who your people are, put some money on the table and watch how a niggas starts saying, well, I feel like I should, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, oh, so that's what you think about me. Okay, cool. So it's hard not to, you know, to work past those situations.

And I understand what you're saying, like, sometimes it's better for us to kind of work through it. Yeah. But then it's also sometimes where it's like, it ain't no coming back from that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Where, um, it's all subjective,

but to your ownership point, where do we draw the hard line in the sand of what could be considered vulturing or not of the culture to ownership? Like if someone does a licensing deal with a company that is not of the culture, that's an agreement to sell their content against ads for a certain amount of time. Yeah. That's where I get lost with the ownership conversations and the culture vulture conversations. I do agree with you. Yeah. But what would be the solution? For us.

No, no, I understand don't sell your content. Yeah. For us. But partnerships, like, I also think that the ownership thing got blown out of proportion where people are starting to think it's uncool to do a partnership or to do a licensing deal or work with somebody. I think people put that in our culture so that we don't elevate and grow together. Even like the, like switching up on friends and all that opt talk, that only happens in our

community. Like when we went to Italy, I was like trying to find a. clubs go to at 7 o'clock at night they're like there are no clubs here for you to go to I'm like come on like spend time with your fucking family right I thought that was so dope I'm like there's no lounge she's like go have dinner you get some gelato yeah go have some dinner yeah but go hang with your fucking friends I try to go to the bank get some money I'm like hey y'all open up at one 30 it's like we open up when we want to you Americans care too much about individualism we're not going to let y'all fuck our vibe up with y'all American shit that's not working

fair be a collective yeah and it's seeped into Like, and I ask people all the time, like, from when we was growing up, I don't even know that many black people that, like, hang out on a weekly, just, like, kick at house parties and shit. Like, we've lost our culture and our norm so much, and it's bled into the business. So I think, I know it's a controversial take, but I think there are no vouchers if we don't work together.

That's planted. The rules that we follow, even in all the drama publicly, it doesn't happen to often. It may have happened with, like, Sam Altman at Open AI and Microsoft, like, last week. That's rare. publicly and for a publicly traded company to have like or like what Elon said to Bob Iger about fuck you and don't advertise on the platform. I think we make a big mistake by not coming together because if so,

if the tour works, then you don't think that same tour could get Stephen Colbert or fucking Jimmy Fallon shot to him and fuck with him. But we couldn't have that slot. I agree. Like, so I think it's just important to pick the people who want to work together. And that's been placed,

I think, in the culture as well, because no one looks at film and is like, Netflix isn't doing it for the love anymore. Yeah. Like, that's been put on, I feel like, just hip hop. Like, they're not.

It's standard shitty business that's happening. You're putting emotions into it. And I understand that because this culture is so important and is derived from real life emotions and experiences. It is. It's definitely diluted a bit because it became entertainment, the biggest genre. in the world.

Yeah. But that's where it started at. So I fully understand people being emotional about it. Yeah. But those standard business practices that we deem culture vulture are across the board everywhere. And everyone goes, hey, that's just good business. Yeah. It's shitty business.

But that's, I've never seen someone at Lionsgate like, you're a culture vulture because you don't do black and white films anymore. Yeah. It's like, no, you're just making Marvel shit because that's what's selling. Yeah. It's really only in hip hop that that's put on to people. But I understand it. It's different. It's going to be to a big detriment to us because I think if.

But that's what I'm saying. The only people that will suffer from it is the same people that have put their blood, sweat, tears. It's their life. It's their history into it. How do we get it there, though, to where everybody is on the same accord? I don't know. I don't think money. I don't think, what you say?

We're behind a paywall. Maybe. I don't think everybody will be on the same accord, but I do think if we make a watch the throne and it works, people will be like, okay, if we do a tour, let's say we do eight days. And it's like we made $42 million off of it. Oh, niggas get along real fast.

It may be behind the scenes bullshit, but more people are going to get along. I had the same conversation with Charlemagne. I've had it with Joe. Everyone get the same answers. But then Pat McAfee gets a deal or everyone says, why can't we do what Rogan does? Yeah.

It's going to take all of us to get to those same numbers. See, Shult sold out the garden twice. Crazy. In 10 minutes. I'm like, I hit him. I was like, bro, you're smart. You leverage yourself next to someone, got bigger. Yeah, YouTube page.

That's smart, though. Oh, no, I'm not. I'm like, and people. Charlemagne's the nicest guy of all time. I agree. But Charleney things like, I don't care. I got my own thing going. Okay, great.

But I'm like, why don't we, if we band it together, I know what? and just seeing what we just do on our own tours. I mind, dog, we got eight of us together. We can change the fucking world. And have a lot of fun doing it. We got to lead by example. Yeah.

And, I mean, that's a beat of dead horse. That has to come to some understanding. Because respect to Black Effect and to all the other networks, as much as I want to do this and would put up my money to do it, it can't be Black Effect presents. It would have to be a collective of all of us with a new, name, a new LLC. It would have to be a new entity.

Yeah. Because it would never work. Yeah. I agree. It can't. We could put all logos at the bottom on the flyer. I'm with all that shit. But it can't be presented because you feel you're at the top. But Jay tried that with title, right? The whole title thing. He had prints on stage. He had all of these great, amazing black artists. Bad marketing.

And it was, it came across as boo-hoo. I'm a millionaire. Give me more money. That's what I came across. I love the rollout, but the execution of the message, I think, was off. They were right, but that's not what the consumer wanted to hear to go buy a new app. Like, oh, let me make sure you guys. Now, if there were fan experiences, like, if I listen to Title and I can go to a pop-up and say less wit.

No Allegra. That would be a vibe. Like, we'd have to give more. But the structure of how Title was was great because, you know, like, Nikki on part of title. Now you get Nikki going to say less. because of title because it's her company. She has no problem doing a pop-up

and you have to be a title subscriber to go do that. That was the genius of title. It just didn't, it wasn't presented the right way. But I mean, you even saw like the rumors of like Shug, Jay Prince, Irv, Dane.

Was that true or was it like an internet rumor? I heard there was real, real talks of that to do a distribution company where you wouldn't need a major anymore. Five of us get together. And trust me, shit wasn't all peaches and cream between everybody.

Yeah. And it was way worse than anything podcast related we've been going to. There was violence between. Yeah, it was real shit going on. So I think there's a world, but people have to care. I'm in Houston. Yeah, I know. You know what I mean?

We're a affiliates and friends family. Oh, no. Nothing but love and respect. Yeah. I like their business model. I respect. I respect their business model. That's true.

Right. Right. When we landed in Houston, SWO was like, you want to meet Jay Prince's brother? I said, absolutely. Immediately. I haven't slept, I haven't showered, I'm on my way. On the way. From George Bush, straight there.

We'll check right in. Does he need anything? For real. But, Julian, do we have voicemails? We do. So, since it's the Spotify-Rapted Apple replay time of year, let's start with a music question for everyone here. Yo?

Yo. Rooney Mall. Maris, Eddie, Yomi, Julian. I got a couple questions for y'all. This is Junior from Montreal. Let's say you guys lived in a world where whenever you guys would make an entrance to let's say any building,

house, business, or whatever, there was a song that plays and you could pick between two songs for your whole life. Which two songs did you pick, masking everyone in the group? Say that again? If you can pick two songs for what? So if you walk into a room,

your entrance song. So like how baseball player with their walkout song, what do you want your song to be when you come into a room? And you get two. Let's do one. All right. Anytime I walk in a room. Yeah.

That song played. I feel like everybody has that song in their mind. Or maybe it's a girl thing. I don't know that that song in their mind that they hear that like really like embodies them or. Give it to me baby by regime. Excuse me? Really? Don't listen to him.

Yeah. What song you say? Give it to me baby by Rick James. Oh, okay. Come on. Give it to me. Okay. You got to walk into a funeral.

Definitely for me. It's crazy. JZ. off American gangster. That's the aura you want when you walk into the room? Yeah. I feel like, I feel like, I feel like that would be like fitting for me.

Oh yeah? Yeah. Can I pick this specific part of the song, of the song I'm picking? Sure. I think that's fair. Very bending rules. Yeah.

How am I bending rules? I just want to know the sink of where. I have the same answer in my. But then why are you fucking? I would do Kanye West so appalled, but only the part where Rizza is screaming. This shit is ridiculous. fucking ridiculous.

Anytime I walk in a room, I just want Rizza to scream that over that beat. Dirty white bitches. Dirty white bitches, this shit is ridiculous. Anytime I enter. That's tough. Like the bank, a funeral. Anywhere. Okay.

New level, A. Sep, Furt. Love it. Wow. That's a fun one. I saw him perform that on TRL. Oh, for real? Yeah. Like on TV?

My friend used to do the program. You had cable? It's crazy. I was when I just moved to New York. She's like, do you want to come to some of these recordings? And it was he debuted it there. Oh shit. I gave him dab.

Nice. Damn. How do you feel? There's a giff of it. You feel like a man? I felt like I was on a new level. You was A-Sav-Julian? Now I'm here.

Walk outside in Soho. I'm sure you could run into FERC. Yeah, he's right here. He's always right there. Mine would be the horns part on Spotioti-Dopalicious. Oh, okay. All right. We've got another voice, man.

Damaris? Yeah, that's great. That's dope. That'll lyric. That will be yours. Ready to be yours. be bad. Niggas leave. Like, I'm out.

The mirror is a vibe, yo. Do you hear that music play you turn around? He said, like, I'm out. It would be that or dirty, or dirty Diana by Michael Jackson. Dirty Diana. That's so ridiculous. Now doesn't. Wow.

Why Dirty Diana? I just love the song. Yeah. It's not really the lyrics. It's the song. The weekend did a good cover of that. No, he didn't. No, we can't have a stop.

No, he didn't. That shit's fired. Go ahead. We got another voicemail. While we were recording, someone submitted this call a minute ago. So let's all listen to us for the first. time. Okay. I'm scared. Oh, yeah.

So you haven't vetted this one? I'm from dorm in Germany, and I know you had a lot of, is this hip-hop or not questions, but there's another one. So this might be the biggest pause yet. So I've been ill and thought the best idea maybe to get healthy and was to smoke a blunt and take a bath and listen to my favorite music, which is like low-armly.

is that hip hop I don't know what he just said he sounds like he's sound like he in the basement of a hostage Are you okay? Are you okay?

He's blindfolded right now I don't even know what he says Is it hip hop to smoke a blunt And take a bath And listen to slow R&B That's her vibe When you kick him out, ain't it? That's hip-hip

Yeah, that's all shot at A, shot at crib Hibb. Kicking a girl out while you start to run a bath for yourself. That's a vibe. God day is fucking nuts. That's gangstress.

Yeah. We've done what you're like, what you're about to do today? She for show thinking that's for her. Oh, yeah. She for sure like, oh, this nigga then put the bubbles in. Like a bath bomb in? And you hit the wood like, yo, so what you're about to do? You about that your Uber outside. My boy.

That's gangstom. That's gangster. A bath? Yeah. Paws? Yeah, that's my chance. Come on. That's the problem. Enough of y'all don't bathe. Bave. I shave.

I shower. I don't. I started kind of dirty to bathe then. No, you take a shower first. After the bath. I shower first. Yeah. If I'm going to sit in the tub and like soak and shit, I'm taking the shower first.

See, I usually bath in the shower. I like that nasty bath water off me. That should be for relaxing, not to like clean. But that's why you take a shower first and clean yourself and then sit in the tub. Yeah. I guess. You still have to shower after the bath. Well, how do you get the, you know, the absent salt and lavender and all the things that you love?

All the honey that you put in your bathtub? Do you put, would you put honey in your bath knowing it's not vegan? Honey? Why would you do that? Why would you put? It's a sticky ass bath. Why would you put honey in the tub? Oh, that's, I'm thinking someone like honey.

Oh, I'm not putting honey in a tub. Oh, I took a bad two days ago. But the soaked tub, I'm, I use often. Does it one, the same one Demaris used? Yes, I mean, I spend clean. I'm so sorry, Darius. Gotcha. Good.

You would have. Dimeris, uh, masturbated using his shower head. This is what you tell. You know, I did. I knew that already. He listened to me a shop. That's good. See, he knew.

That's good. The world. Caught up. It's kind of. Was that like on a show day or like? I was out of town. Got you. And she was at my career.

So update on that. So I had to have some work done in my master bathroom. Got a new head. And I had to use my guest shower for like almost two weeks. And right when I got in there and I'd never used my guest shower before. Yeah. And that was the one that Demaris masturbated. You saw valet.

The moment I walked in the shower was like, For like a sex dungeon? It's a crime scene. You probably knew that? No, it's a same one. It's the jets. The jets that hit, like he has jets that are angled so that they hit right on your back.

So you had to lift your leg. So you bent over and she bent over and that shit was hitting the bean like a fucking speed bag. Numb after. It was Mike on the speed bag. You know, and Damaris is short. So she was all her tippy toes. You know she was on her tippy toes the whole time.

Calf's numb. All kinds of. Using her play music. Yeah. Oh, she was. Have a vibe in there. The shower. Yeah.

Yeah. Stood up on it. Got you. Got you. I'm so sorry. We love to your stuff in the shower. We have a guest. We never behaved.

What type of bath you have in your crew? You won't invite us to your crib, so we don't know. We've never seen your house. It's like a, in my bathroom. Wait, hold on. You invite bad to see a crib without your friends? Never. Of course.

I get it. I get it too. I get it. I get it. We've only seen mall post the same view from his window. That's all. We've never seen the inside of his place. We didn't.

He lived in like a Taz Angel and no furniture in that bitch window. I love that for my son. Sneakers. I love that for him too. And one time I tried to like pull his card and I showed up in the town that he lives in

and I texted. Oh, you don't even know the block. No. Well, it's somewhere in paper. I'm sure if I went through Mullin' eyes business agreements I could find it. I saw a Vince Staples interview. Yeah.

And he was talking about that. Like how none of his friends ever been in his house. And he was looking at the interview like, yo, what are you asking me? Of course. Yeah, but I'm not a long beach crib. Like, no.

I think Vince had a different point in that. No, no, but I probably would have never been to your house if we didn't start recording it. Because it was in Jersey. No, yeah, but I go to Jersey. You're going to go to Rory's house? Not coming to your crib, bro. No, I just don't go to, I just don't go to people's houses like that. There's more baddies than Jersey or New York.

Come on, you know. It's not even close. Come on New York City. He's the old beans of the baddies. Yeah, no way. We do New York City versus the whole state of New Jersey. Sure. I don't care how you do.

New York City wins. You do the whole East Coast. New York City, for sure. Things have changed, man. Man, things have changed, but it's still. What, Newark's got them? Go on River Road, New Jersey. Looks like Broadway now.

All the chicks moved out there. That's the thing. I do want to bring that up because you brought up Newark, not having baddies. Oh, because now you live in Jersey. No, it has nothing to do with that. It really has nothing to do with that. My thing is just because you don't have access to a lot or these women don't have access and they work like regular jobs and they don't.

Not about that. What do you mean? Do you think just more beautiful women are born in New York? No, they live here because there's more going on. There's more traffic. If you look at the nature. From Jersey, come to New York. More people here.

There's more content creation, which means you're on camera. More often than not attractive people are on camera. There's modeling agencies here. Models are pretty good looking most of the time, the real ones. So, like, it attracts people that are... New York City has... Way better looking. There's more money than New Jersey.

So if you was going to open up an art gallery, like what part of New York City, would you put your art gallery in? Of women? Probably to meat market. I'll set myself up for that. Yeah. He did. Wait, what's the art gallery?

Of those. Yeah. Like they'd stand there as art? Yeah. That's like it's pretty much a fashion show. Pretty much. They do it now. It's not like we go to art shows now and women are just standing there with something

on and we're like, okay. Yeah, it's a goal bar on Saturday night. Exactly. Yeah. Got to do it somewhere downtown Lower Manhattan in the city because it's accessible to so many different people from different parts of the city. Gotcha. Yeah.

Well, this was fun. I don't know if you have any more points or questions. or anything that we can get to. No, we're going to make that tour happen, man. That'd be dope, though. I'm just listening to you and, you know, obviously I pay attention to you. So I like the idea of it.

I just want to see how it would be executed because I think that it's easier to sit for us to talk about it and it's a great idea. But I just don't have faith that we can do it. Because it's just ego. Ego. We've got to take the egos out of the first run. That'll be a success.

Then it'll work. Because I'm going to be real. So if we do a first one with people with no ego, everybody fuck with each other and it's a success, then you're saying it'd be easy to get. Easy. Yeah. Listen, I'm here to do my part. Yeah, me too. I can only be responsible for my effort.

So I'm here, but good luck to us. You coming to our show tonight, Friday, if you're listening to you? Absolutely. Yeah. Yomi, I'm on your guest list. You saw me out about coming on a mic too. That's crazy. Damn.

Well, I'm all outed Yomi. last episode, so I don't think we'll ever hear ever again. Oh, you out of my girl? I didn't know she had a girlfriend. I didn't know. Why are you talking about business? It was crazy. What you mean? He said she doesn't get bitches. Somebody else said, no, yo-y-o-yo-y's in a relay. I was like,

since I had no idea, Yomi. I apologize. I did not know. I had no idea. If you're listening to this on Friday audio version and then came to our show in New York, thank you for coming. If you're watching on Saturday on YouTube and went to our show, I'm sure it was the best show you've ever been to in your entire life.

and we still thank you for coming. Mall's guest list is still available. If you want to DM him, if you're listening on a Friday, because this drops 5 a.m., they have a few hours to DM you. True. Please don't.

Please do. There's space. Please don't. There's plenty of space. You got five on your guest list? I got more than that. Oh, man, you know how home is. Yeah, crazy.

It gets crazy. I was thinking about bringing Amara to the show. Is that a bad idea? Very bad idea. Yeah. Crying baby. No, like in the green room. Oh.

Bad idea. Not like where the people will be. Bad idea. You should do that. That'd be cute. My parents would love to meet her. Yeah. That's a bad idea.

That green room situation is terrible. You'd be very concerned. It's a lot going on. It's a lot of people. Bad idea. There's some headphones on her. You know, I noticed for our past, we've been like three Sony Hall shows.

Yes, this would be our first. Yeah. Visit of weather. Great, great green room they have down there, two different rooms. I've noticed that they get really packed. And none of the people in there are people mall or I invite. Which is why I just say. It always works like that.

Every show like that. It's just weird. The AAs that just get passed out. I'm like, I don't know anyone in here. Keep going. Keep going. Who do you think invited to these people? Post show, you be directing people.

Bring them downstairs. Yeah, after the show. I'm talking about before the show when I'm trying to change. I'm like, who? Hey, can you get out this room because I'm going to like be naked? That's why I said bad idea. Yeah. Because you already know how that goes.

True. Any other city? Great idea. That's crazy. This city, no. What was your favorite city to tour on? London. London looked like a lot.

I love London, y'all. Yeah, you can't really go wrong with London. Yeah. But it is tough to beat that Texas run. Texas is Austin. Houston is always a really good one. I was five and. Yeah.

Chicago was dope too, though. Chicago was dope. Chicago was dope. We had a good show in Chicago. The people was dope. And we went to our Soul House there. Okay. Joe Fresh Goods took me out after we went around the city a little bit.

Like, it was cool. Chicago was a good. It was a good vibe. But London is just different. It's beautiful, yo. That love over there in the UK is just, It's different. It's different.

The people that worked at the venue was like dope to work. How they were so nice. Hated different. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Ian, thank you. Cool. Thank you.

And hopefully we make some history in 24. That'll be great. Let's do some things together. I think it's long overdue. But we appreciate everything that you do, everything that you bring to the culture. Keep doing what y'all are doing. Thank you. And we'll talk to you soon.

I appreciate you. Thank you all for listening to another episode of the New Rory Mall podcast. We'll see y'all soon. New Rory Mall.com. Get your merch. shows are over for now. The art gallery

will be up in 2024. The art gallery we're going to work on that. We're going to work on that show. It might be 2023. 2024 art batty gallery coming soon. We'll talk to y'all soon.

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