New Rory & MAL - Episode 229 | Michael Jackson On The Moon feat. 19Keys

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

This episode was previously recorded. We’re still taking some time off for the holiday. However, we wanted to share this sit down we had a couple months ago with the thought leader/block chain enthusiast, 19 Keys. We begin with the scam that is NFTs. This evolves into a broader conversation about the metaverse and crypto currency. We’re overloaded with information but somehow the aliens have slipped through the collective concern. We then discuss the worshiping of demonic culture in hiphop, views on Trump, and Michael Jackson on the moon. It’s time for voicemails. Tune in as 19 Keys joins us to discuss all of this + more! Follow The Team:Rory - https://www.instagram.com/thisisrory/Mal - https://www.instagram.com/mal_bytheway/Eddin - https://www.instagram.com/thankyoueddin/Julian - https://www.instagram.com/julian__nicholas/Demaris - https://www.instagram.com/demarisagiscombe/ Merch: https://newrorynmal.com/Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalYouTube Subscribe: https://rb.gy/hk7up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You sound hurt. You know, go get some therapy, man. You know what I'm saying? He hollered up one of your girls. Like, that's over with, man. Go binge watch some high-level conversations. Sation. No, what.

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to the rock nation of Islam. I emerged on the way of that title made the drop bombs. We are joined today by somebody who, honestly, Rory, you've been trying to align with for a second. Yes. Sit down and chop it up with somebody who I think is very important. Highly respect. you know, somebody that I think is a key figure and out here, you know, it's a lot of,

a lot of noise, a lot of pollution in the space of talking and creating thoughts and things like that. But this brother here is somebody that I respect. I'm watching what he's doing. And I'm happy that we finally got a chance to align and link up today and kick it with him for a few. We joined by none other than 19 Keyes thought leader. Man, pleasure to be.

You know what I mean? Just somebody that I might. But it's funny seeing you, like, the first time I remember seeing you in person, because like you one of those guys I look at him like, yo, he's never outside. And then like I just seeing you like randomly walking down. So, I'm like, oh, this nigga's outside. Like it was like, I just thought you was like a guy that I always think is like, you're in this space and then you just like disappear and go somewhere and just like nobody ever

sees this dude out chilling nowhere. Yeah. Where does he chill at? But first of all, welcome. Thank you for coming about kicking it with us, man. Finally, we finally get to connect. And congrats on everything that you're doing, man. Like, I've seen your ascension over the last couple years.

And I just, I love what you're doing. I love everything you stand for. Anytime I hear you speaking, it's always something that I'm like, okay, like, this is somebody that's really on a path of just like creating his own lane, doing his own thing, thinking for himself, empowering others to think for themselves and just be their best selves. So thank you for coming here today and joining us. Absolutely. I appreciate that, man.

Thank you. Yep. No, for sure. And we share her birthday. Oh, yeah. Really? Say word. Say word.

May 4th? Yeah. I was... That's where the synergy is. Yeah. I wanted to come to the show at the Apollo on the 4th, but, you know, some behind-the-scenes stuff had happened. Yeah.

Yeah, we were going to celebrate both our birthday that day. Okay. Are you all the same age? I'm 90. I don't know. No, I'm young. Okay. He don't want to tell us his age.

I like it. I'm Christ year, man. I'm in my Christ year. Okay. 33. Okay. Yes, sir. Cool.

Cool. I saw you recently posted on IG that 95% of... of NFTs are useless. Now. Can we, because I've been wanting to have this conversation. Yeah, this is a great one. They killed Moly and I for a while.

I laughed at people from the thought of that. Yeah. I said, bro, okay, listen, the world is closed. We get it. Everything shut down. Now you're trying to create new ways to love and collect art, which I get. But let's slow down.

You're not telling me I have a Bosciat and I'm like, word? Yeah. I'm trying to go to your crib and you're like, nah, it's right here. Yeah. What is that? And I could Google that too. And it'd still be on the same screen.

I'm going to start the glasses off from the conversation. Okay. No, because I think this is a great conversation. I think there's a lot of lessons in it, number one. I think first you got to start with, you got booming bus cycles with anything, right? Meaning that new technologies are introduced, right? They are rapidly consumed, right? They create these bubbles.

And then after the bubble, right, people stop being as interested in it. The media stops reporting on it, right? And then what ended up happening is it's still adopted, right? It's just not going through this craze and this frenzy of everybody looking at it is a shiny new thing. Right. And then it becomes a standard, right? Gotcha. Much like any other technology that we utilize.

For me, I always looked at NFTs as a technology, right? Not a project, not art. It's a technology. The projects and the art was how people was using the technology. Right? So when you look at people, they say, okay, I'm going to use a technology. They say, I'm going to make some money, right?

They've seen things like people get almost $100 million for a digital painting, and then the gold rush begins, right? First it started off with people saying that, wait a minute, this is like some of the first digital collectible art that you can own. So you've seen the Jay-Zs, you've seen the Gary V's, and billionaires jumping into this space, right? That was a signal for many people to say, hey, this is a real thing. But it was also a signal for, you know, everybody, right?

Right, to be like, oh, I can do this thing. And for me, I like technology. I grew up as like a tech enthusiast, right? I used to read the popular mechanics books and things of that nature. I used to watch sci-fi growing up. So I always had this enthusiasm for what the future would be. And not only that, when I first studied blockchain years ago, I would always think, okay, blockchain is great, but it's not until there's a good utility for it that it will be adopted.

So when I heard of non-fundible tokens, I was like, are, this is the use case where a mass amount of people can adopt it. Right? So for me, number one, NFTs are still valuable, right? The technology itself. Right. The projects is just saying that anybody can make a project. So, yes, 80% of startups fail.

So the math that people were doing early on to say that these projects not going to be worth anything was just a common sense reality. Right? It had no indication upon the technology. It's just the way that people consume things. unnecessarily unprovoked without any real value, right? And then, of course, you go with the way media starts things, right? Because media wasn't really educating people on a true value.

It was the fear of missing out, right? Now, a lot of these projects are still booming. Some of them are just rolling out stuff in Walmart. They're doing collaborations with major brands. They're 100 plus. Some of them are billion-dollar brands that they were able to take advantage of, put real, like, structure behind it and funding. and now they use the technology to create a billion-dollar brands.

They're not something to laugh at. Right. Right. You can laugh about whatever value you want to think, but they took an opportunity, utilize the technology and created a brand. Right. Now, NFTs, you wouldn't want the technology to fail

because the whole idea was to empower the people, right? A lot of these ideas, the thesis behind blockchain was like, yo, we can decentralize things, right, to where it's not just one person that had a power. We can cut out middlemen and get a power to people to be able to go direct to consumer without having to go through like ticket master or go through some of these middlemen taking fees

and you get to control it and have royalties over your situation. So the ideas are solid. The ideas are saying that, man, you can start building your world versus the inherited world that you grew up in and allowing people to shave points off your dollar that didn't do anything to contribute to your intellectual property. So the idea of NFT still stand. but the masses, I think, are slow.

Okay. The masses don't really want freedom. The masses want whatever the masters tell them. They want what the media tells them is good, bad, ugly. And so what you're going to do is get a fast consumption culture if we consume in technology without getting the true value. Okay. Same thing happening with AI.

There's decentralized autonomous organizations such as Dow's where it's not a top bottom system, but it's a shared community ownership over a corporation. People hear about these ideas of decentralized finance, consume it, and then wait for the next thing to come to be stimulated, right? Because we got an over-stimulation. Right. So it's like for me, NFTs are just a representation of the way we consume things, a symptom of society today of fast consumption culture.

Looking for the next big thing. So is the value really in the technology of NFTs or is the value in who can set the market price? It says they can move on to that. I saw that with crypto. I'll never ever talk like I'm an expert in that regard, but I saw it just moved to a different name every time. and it was someone setting the value of it rather than it actually being the value. It's money.

Well, NFTs is a little different because it's literally a technology. Yeah. Right. Cryptocurrency is like an investment, right? It's an asset, right? But NFT can be used for anything. You can just reward fans and say that, hey, this is your membership pass. And if you want to let somebody sit on that couch, then they say, hey, if you got an

NFT, come sit on the couch. And we'll let you in the door, but you have to schedule a month to month. And only your NFT will give you access. That's still a utility. that you can use to this day. Sure. So NFTs allow you this utility in this use case that you normally wouldn't be able to do

without creating like these sophisticated mechanisms in order to facilitate. But now I say no. Not only NFTs, you got SBTs, which are sold bound tokens, meaning it's like if the DMV and the government started using the blockchain, which they are, right?

They're saying that they can give you a digital ID that's on the blockchain that you can't go and mess with or hack. So now we know that if we scan it, it's really you, right? Because only you would have this in your wallet. And soulbound means that it's not transferable. Yeah. Right?

So you can't send this to nobody else. So the ideas behind it is still valuable. And this is why if you go, look, most of the large companies are still implementing the technology. They're just not using the brand of NFT to push it because they just need the tech use case itself. So do you think NFT was more of an experiment to see if it worked? Well, I just think that's just the natural cycle of technology adoption. You know what I mean? Like, and then it's just the newscasters don't know what they're talking about.

So when you're getting informed by the news, all they doing is taking points from somebody told them something. They don't know about technology. They don't know about blockchain. They can't give you any creative ways. One way I was teaching people was like, man, don't focus on buying stuff, focus on creating stuff. So it don't matter what happens in the cycles, right? Your goal was to create a value and connection to how do you implement it within your company, right? didn't matter what's going on in the marketplace, you still created a valuable product or a use

case for it. So it was never a real, I would say, you know, it was a moment of a marketplace. And if you have any sense, you know, as you gradually see things play out, you see that, yeah, there are market makers that control things that manipulate the market and decide where these prices are. And so that's what happens in these new technologies. It's not the people that mess it It's the people that got the money they end up messing it up. Right.

Those celebrity projects. But the celebrity projects was what celebrities normally do. They get paid to advertise something that they don't understand. Right. And so people were blaming the celebrities, but that's just the way

advertisement and marketing works. Right. You know what you say? That was purposeful? It's hard. It's intentionally misleading? I can't say for everybody. I just think that that's the way

that celebrities normally interact with business. And I don't think NFTs to them was something that they needed to, they thought that they needed to filter and take a special look at. So imagine your agent comes to you with a marketing deal. Like, hey, okay, we got sold it this week. Hey, NFTs next week. And they're like, all right, tell me the script. Yeah. I'm going to do both.

I think that a lot of them was just doing it like that. Yeah. And there was a lot of money attached to it. So you're telling me, wait a minute. Not only about advertisers, I get commission off this advertisement, essentially. Right? And people are going to buy the project. Why?

Oh, because I'm a celebrity. They want to buy stuff. People have been buying Pokemon cards. Right? I went to the damn, um, the deli over here. Man, they had Pokemon cards still in there being sold with the foil. Why do you buy collectible things? Right.

What's the value of it? Right. It's the feeling, the emotion connected to it. Why do people worship celebrities? Right? People try to cover up their own insecurities by looking into the perfection of others. Do you think that there's any type of, because I remember, you said Pokemon. I remember when everybody was, uh, on their phones chasing like,

imagine their Pokemon's around LA. A couple people died falling off a cliff because it was like a special Pokemon over here. So like how much of this do you attribute? I'm getting this. That's a point here. How much of this do you attribute to mental illness? Because I think it's mental illness.

Well, it was also one of the first. If somebody told me they got a boss guy and they opened their phone and it's like a digital box. But I think the Pokemon thing was very much an experiment as well was one of the easiest ways for VR to get in your phone from a mass level. So it's not a mental. It was outside.

It did that. Yeah, I mean, but it's hard to say because we got gaming culture. You know what I'm saying? The stuff that you buy inside games is not real. Yeah. At all. But how many children spend money on buying apps inside the game? Billions of dollars a year.

How was that any different? It's just digital items. Yeah. Digital ownership that you track it. My whole thing was like, if it's digital and it has a connection to something in real world, right, then that's different. So you buy something and there's land attached to it or membership or access. then you can easily say, I understand the value of that.

In the future, because you've got to really look at these things, what do they look like in 20 years? The ideas around the way we feel about them don't matter. How will your children feel about digital collectibles? This level of, well, this new generation of entrepreneurs that are coming in, more people are owning stuff these days, more people are owning their properties, real estate. Do you attribute that to just getting information quicker?

Like, now it's easier for us to get information. So you say like the older generation didn't do it, but the next generation is. I say because of information. Older generation didn't have the information that the younger generation. They didn't have access to a lot of these things. They didn't have, you know, the Internet in their hands. But now they could just tap into people all over the world and learn what's going on over here. Do you think it's too much information, though?

Do you think that's a bad thing? I think, yeah, overconsumption is not a good thing because you could have light. right but if you don't activate it you're still in the dark then information is like you know you all have the light is like potential right but you actually have to put it in motion and have experience with it and this generation lacks experience

but they got information yeah I mean so it's the same as having a super genius he's standing sitting right next to you and this man knows nothing at all if both of y'all stay in the same place and make the same moves what does it matter right the knowledge only matters as good as you are able to activate it into some sort, right?

So it's like this overly informed generation, but they under-execute, right? So they know a lot, but they do little, right? And a lot of it becomes this stagnation and this paralyization, right? This information overload because they can't choose what they want to do. Right. Right. Where do I get started? What do I do?

It's not a, you know, my framework of looking at things years ago I put out was like, it started off with previous generations just. need motivation. And motivation gives you a motive to put you in motion, right? So you go activate. Like, I'm motivated. I'm going to go on the move. Then it had to be inspiration. I'm watching you do it. I get inspired. Now, I'm spirited. I'm ready to go activate. Then it became education. Now I got to teach you how to do it, right? Because what's required to stimulate every generation becomes more and more and more, right? And then it became not just education where I get you the game, now you want instructions.

Now you want me to coach you through the whole process. Step by step by step here. I'm going to walk you through it, all right? Do one, two, three, four, five, ABC, and then you get to it, right? Now we're in a generation of automation. Just do it for me. Right. You know what I'm saying?

I don't know why you can't just do it for me? You know what I'm saying? They don't want to pay for nothing. Don't want to do nothing. And that's where AI comes. Right? So we're in this generation of automation and we're spoiled. This generation is so goddamn spoiled because we have.

because we're in this place in time where it ain't no longer about survival. No. You think it is, but it's not. If you live in America, it definitely ain't about no damn survival because you overprivileged because you got Internet, you got 5G, you got access to free AI. Open AI, I give you free AI tools. You got blockchain. You can decide to do whatever you want to, right?

When I grew up, we didn't have access to all that. We had to go to the library, sit down, get a library card, rent some Internet time, check out a book to learn something, bring it back. Right? We were leasing information. We didn't even own it. That damn download speed

was slow as hell with the learn. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Look at how our access is our privilege and our wealth. Hell yeah. It just went digital

because now they own our data. Speed. We were leasing the information from a library and now we're the information. So as much as I agreed that it may not be a straight up survival thing in America,

but a lot of people that can't easily access 5G internet, I know it sounds crazy, but some people can't. I feel like they become the most vulnerable to the AI. They become the consumption of the AI. They are now the sheep of the AI because they have to depend on

that. So I agree, but I think there's another side of that coin. We're so easily taking advantage of now because of it, because the access is so easy. We have we have become, we're the commercial, we're the data, we're what's keeping this shit moving and we're not benefiting from it.

We think we are because shit is so easy. Life is easy now, but we're the reason that it's moving forward, but we're not really benefiting from it. It's keeping us stagnant. It's keeping us in the same motherfucking place. We just sit here. We don't have to do shit. That's the question.

And that's the most manipulation. It's not what I'm talking about. It dilutes your mind to not even know what you want to do. Yeah, because that becomes the thing. It's like the people have the power. But if you get the people with power and they don't want anything, they ain't go do nothing with the power. And I think it.

That's where you get people to where I give you the tool. I know you won't use it for nothing powerful. Yeah. Man, you release a tool like AI to hundreds and millions of people and you have no worries of the world utilizing it to try to destroy institutions, governments, change things. They ain't got no worries at all, right? They come and talk about it.

The fear that they really have is what AI is going to do to the people. Now, when people go utilize the AI full? Right? That's a crazy thing to think about. Well, there was years of, I mean, I personally believe AI has been around for quite some time. And we had to be conditioned where we would not benefit from AI. We had to put us in a very numb place as human beings for when AI comes, we'd rather use it to not have to do any work rather than utilize it to our benefit. It's benefiting the people that are controlling it. AI is the first technology that I know of that was marketed, right, for like 50 years before a real rollout.

So we were already consenting to it, right? We watched movies about it. We read books about it. We were indoctrinated for decades. So when Chad GPT came out, that's as easy. I know what AI is. NFTs came out. I don't know what the hell of AI is.

Blockchain, you don't know. AI? There's been movies on it for 50 plus years. So I said they had to wait. They had to market it to us. Nothing happens in America without consent. Right? They have to get the masses to consent to things.

Then they roll it out. Why do you think that now all of a sudden they're starting to give us, you know, more images of UFOs and, you know, saying like, yes, they are real and we've been studying them. And last two weeks ago, the Mexican officials rolled out two rotisserie chickens. The paper mache. The biggest rolled out two. They rolled out two rotisserie chickens that told us like, yeah, this is like, why do you think, like, why now? What's that? Like, because I know something is coming.

Like, and I, we had to talk on the show last week. And I was like, yo, I think that now we're in a space where we're so numb to things. I said if President Trump was to get assassinated, I don't think nobody would care. By an alien, we probably would be like, damn, that's crazy. And life would move on. As soon as we hit refresh, soon as we hit refresh. We on to the next year. So it's like, why now are they giving us, you know, two corpses of aliens and showing us like, yeah, these are real, showing us, you know, aerial, unidentified flying objects that are making patterns and moves that we know we don't have the technology to make?

Like, why now are they giving it to us right in our face? Well, I think we at the end, we have the end of a world, right? Not the world itself, but a world. right we have the end of America's empire of power okay right when you get to these stages of any empire you get desperate you have to roll out every single stop that you possibly can right America just went through a baby bust right we're not producing that many babies right America's influence is waning right America's dollar is losing its grip on the world right so America has to roll out all stops to figure out how to maintain power and so do other governments

not only right from other governments, but over their own people, right? Because as you expose people to these vast amounts of information as well, they become extremely more conscious about things, right? Their exposure and their ability to believe things become more extreme. Right? We've seen that with C-19 and a lot of people didn't want to take the V. And now there's a whole funded campaign against it

to where not only just people, but their senators and governors who won't roll that out in their own states. And they're repeating. the same thing that the so-called conspiracy theories were competing previously, right? So we're now in this time and age where it's a fight for the battle of the future, right? They put in, they're going to put a lot of smoke screens out there, right, when they already know. You know what I'm saying? Like, the government is almost a twofold thing.

They're probably not as powerful as you think, and they're probably more powerful than you think. Right? The movies make them seem like the awe-knowing seeing God, right? The most powerful in the world. They're not that. Right? But the propaganda is for them to take credit for that. Right. Now, this whole alien thing is interesting for many different reasons.

Right. I would always defer to Dr. Westy in the alien conversation because he gave a great breakdown about the extraterrestrials and the superterrestrials. But it's like this is like the battle of illusions, the battle of the skies, the battle for supremacy, the battle for world power, the battle for one world power. Right. Like how can this be used? Follow the money and the power.

right? And then you get the agenda. You know what I'm saying? Like these things have always been clocked before they happen, right? How many movies we've seen about alien invasions? You know what does that do? So called it give the government more power. Each and every time we have a catastrophe, it gives you them more power. Right. So I would look at, for me, it's simple. It's about power and control, more power and control. And then if the alien is the threat, you know what can't they do, to, you know, what rights can't they strip you away from to protect you from an alien threat? Right. Right.

We've seen what happened during 9-11, right? That was an alien threat. You know what I'm saying? It bombed the so-called building and all of a sudden they stripped away all your rights and you happily gave them over. Patriot. It's going to get to a point where, you know, they don't need consent anymore and you won't even care, right? That's the ultimate place you go to. Like, bro, it's an alien threat.

We ain't got to ask you for nothing. Yeah. But people are going to be like, shit, take my rights away, save me. Right. Right. So I think that this thing can go in many different ways, but aliens is the last thing I'm afraid of. That's a recycled playbook, the alien thing. Yeah.

Oh, well, but I think that the alien thing now is a new page of the playbook because now it can allow unity amongst people that have been working together behind the scenes for quite some time. that we all thought were enemies amongst the world, but they've been friends. They've been doing this back and forth. And using all of us, now when aliens come in, now we can do a fake unity thing,

and world leaders that were supposed to hate each other, but actually work with each other, can now publicly come together and we can all do this bullshit. Yeah, but I'm saying in terms of, sure, the aliens are the new threat enemy, however we want to market them, but I'm saying in terms of fear mongering

and doing a catastrophic event, to your point, 9-11, creates communal unity. We gave up all of our rights. We're all American now. We love each other. Go get the bad guy. But like in war, we make trillions of dollars.

A lot of technologies come out of war. For better or worse, war produces a lot of good shit, which is sad to say. We're already selling some of our military intelligence from this Ukraine war. Yeah. Yeah. But even if you bring in the COVID thing, whatever side you stand on, conspiracy, whatever the case may be, We saw how quickly people were willing to surrender their free will, stay at home, and then vilify people that weren't. But at the same time, we were seeing on the back end corporations making billions of dollars because they were just, you know, slapping, hey, these bodies are attributed to COVID, whatever the case may be cash cow keeps rolling in.

So I'm like, I don't think the alien, it's not that surprising. I just think it's another opportunity for them to be like, new enemy, more money. Like, it's just a reason to get more money. Absolutely. And to surrender people because, again, we preach democracy. We preach free will. But how can we suspend that for a year or however long it takes? Iraq was like a fucking 10-year deal.

We were just dumping money into something we knew was pointless. And then what else they go use? I mean, if you look at media, media always informs us about what's to come. What else in media has there been besides the alien threat, the AI? You know what I mean? Like if they've been programming you with these ideas of fear of all these years, then that's the playbook. Like what other threat do we even know of?

And I can already see the the long-term playbook they're doing with the Mexico reveal of the two-foot paper mache thing. Man, them little, don't know of an M-I-B coffee movie. It's such an easy way to get the people to say,

okay, aliens may exist, but they're small, they're not threatening. Man, that's just a little... Coming from Mexico, ain't nothing new. Of course. I was into Postland. It was there.

I just say, shout out of my. That's wrong. But it's just little breadcrumbs because then, okay, we found a new series of aliens that are way more threatening. You just have to get people because they don't want to cause a crazy stir. Because them are aliens. So let's expose that they're out. We'll be fine. It's cool.

I wish they will pull up over. I'm like a fan, y'all don't want to. Exactly. You have to introduce. We're like a Dorsh guy. We got to do that. Without mass hysteria. Here they are.

Aliens exist. But that's just to ease us into the idea they exist. and they'll become threatening by next year. Oh, yeah. Year after that, then they'll become taller, then they'll become scarier, then they'll have more weapons. Well, you mentioned extraterrestrial and super terrestrial. What are the differences in size and stress?

Like, what are the nuances between the two? Dr. West was the first person I heard talk about extraterrestrial and super terrestrial. And I don't have his defined definitions ahead of me, so I don't want to, I don't want to misquote him. You know what I mean? Before the end of this, If one of y'all can pull that up by Dr. Wesley, then I'll let y'all know a little bit like.

Have you watched any of these Dr. Stephen Greer interviews that have been? I haven't. I met him through Billy Carson at the war show, but I ain't watched them interviews. He has some interesting. You know why? Because one thing about the alien community is they always discount the N-O-Y, right? And the N-O-I was the first to start the conversation around the aliens.

And they'd be acting like they don't know, like they didn't get that information from. messenger. But he had a full description of it. He broke it down in layers and, you know, in the 30s. You know what I mean? So, like, he was right there at the forefront of this conversation. And I believe even what the, if we get the definition of the extraterrestrials and the

superterrestrials, that's where Dr. Wesley was kind of going and saying that these ain't aliens, man. And them are people up there. Why I brought up Dr. Stephen Greer. And I haven't seen every interview he's ever done or read every book that he's published. He is one of the few that I've noticed that he doesn't bring up the N.I. But he doesn't discredit anything. I don't know if he's been asked that direct question to even go to that side.

But he's one of the few I haven't seen discredited it. Well, no, because the government never tried to discredit. Well, there's not much to discredit. You would think there would be a low-hanging fruit, though. These people believe in alien ships and technology. But they've never, right? But look at where we are in 2023. You know what I mean?

like, you know, almost 90 years after that conversation was started, they never tried to use that as propaganda against the N.O. Why? Why? That's the thing. There's not much you can discredit in that. Yeah, but you would, you would have to put out, it would make sense to me, if I'm the media that I'm going to make these people sound crazy. They're talking about alien technology, propulsion ships and anti-gravity and technology that nowhere near exists today. This would be an easy way to make them sound crazy. government was like, study that.

No, let's study that. When a lot of facts match up with what NASA's given and what the- Right. I'm saying it's tough. You can't really discredit them. The astronomy of Elijah Muhammad was on point. You know, the things he talked about with Mars and Pluto, those are always on point. He was never discredited from his astronomy and the conversation about the mothership and the baby planes.

Right. But also, the vast amount of society don't really know Elijah Muhammad in his time. teachings and his works. They only know the propaganda that surrounds and that shrouds his legacy. You had an interesting tweet the other day. You said all these artists worshipping the devil, hip hop going full demonic. God damn. And nobody's speaking on it.

God damn. I know why you're saying that because obviously, you know, there's a lot of artists where we're starting to see symbolism and things like we used to see it before, but now it's more prevalent, now it's more common, now it's normal. People are talking about it. They're recognizing it. And again, people just so numb to everything. They just keep moving on business as usual.

Like, what's your feeling on, obviously, you know, the money that's behind, the monetization behind the demonic symbolism and the artist pushing that onto the followers? What is your take on that? Like, do you feel like that's a direct threat to the culture of hip hop? Is it a reason that they're doing it? Is somebody behind it controlling that? Yeah. It's not hip hop.

It's industry, right? And I think too much they get convoluted is one thing. So if I can rap, that's a skill. Don't mean I'm hip-hop, but that's a skill that is associated with hip-hop artists. Right. Then there's the hip-hop culture, which would be the foundation.

Right. Right. Then you have the industry, which is the music business, right? Which is completely different than hip-hop in its beginnings as a culture to express the arts of a people, right? So when you start talking about demons and things of that nature, that's an industry that has always been connected with that. Those people that fund that,

they believe in the devil wholeheartedly. You know what I mean? They believe in Satan. They believe in those symbols and they push that onto their artists or they find artists who believe in those things so that they can fund them. Then they connect them with the brand of hip hop and we'd be like, oh, rap going crazy.

That's not rap. Go look at whoever funds that. That's them. And I think we had to get to a point where you can filter these things out because hip hop gets a bad rap because it's like everybody gets adopted into the family, right?

But they're not really blood. You know what I'm saying? So for me, I look at like, you know, society publicly, usually anti-Satant, right? It's anti-demon, right? Because you're supposed to follow God, the angels.

You know what I mean? But the demon thing is like anti-establishment, so-called. Right? The demon thing is like, we don't trust institutions so people are becoming the villains, right? Which kind of means that they connect the church as an institution, which is God, so they rather be devil instead, right?

It's this reversal of roles that's happening today. So what the demon thing, though, with black people, though, is weird because that's definitely don't come from us. That's not our thing. It's not our thing. Like, that's rock and roll. You see them with the baffirme heads and all of those different things. But that's not an inherent, right?

Afro-Agiatic, you know, thing to do. So for me, it's not our culture that we see when that's being expressed. That's not hip-hop at all, right? That's the industry, right? And I think it's a simple way of saying it is the fact that these are so-called label as hip-hop artists, right? And they are messing up the image, right, of hip-hop because they're taking things that are anti-culture and representing it as culture because the devil is death culture, not life. Right.

Right. So it's not values and morals. It's do as that will, not do God's will. And so society is where, closer to do what we want to do is individual, our desires, do whatever I want to, right? My choice. Not I'm going to do the right thing. I'm going to do the good thing. It's, nope, don't judge me. Let me be shameless in whatever I want to do. Right. So they got everybody on Demon Time, right? And that industry used to have to be a little more in the shadows. Now they can be open in the light. Now I'm Doja Cat, go from, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, cow, to I'm a demon. You know what I'm saying? Like this disassociation.

And these things become courts because it's from the upcourt, right? And people grabs onto these things because they're looking for identity, right? They're looking to be connected to something as anti-establishment, right? And so these things become normalized, but what is the effect of a generation following the devil and seeing themselves as demons and following Satanism and people? putting the upside down crosses on and following these type of rituals. When I was in high school, we looked at that as the Luminati. Yeah.

Right? We looked at the Bohemian Grove videos and, you know, we was weirded out by it. Now, that's normal. So it's like even during that time, you had to think like, man, maybe they was just impressioning us so that by time we get older, we accepted it because we already known of it since high school. Yeah. But how's the inverse of that any different? The inverse of what?

If the demonic devil stuff, if you're religious, then you have to, in fact, believe in God and the devil, right? One can't exist without the other. If you're actually religious and follow the book and all that shit, you have to follow it. No? I mean, it depends what religion per se, if you want to get like into straight Christianity, that's probably the cut and dry version. I don't know if all religions are in that realm. There's definitely a yin and a yang of stuff, but straight up God and the devil is not based off every religion. But maybe in the most basic terms.

But Christianity is also, quote unquote, the most mainstream. So a lot of the stuff that's put into entertainment is based off images in Christianity because it's what's been put in front of our faces, especially in America, since we were born. So I'm saying the- So Doja, I don't think Doja is someone that has what met a member of the Illuminati and said, you should be a devil worshiper. I think she's intelligent and realized what works in. in entertainment right now is the anti-culture,

and I can go do my demon devil shit, even though I think she's trolling to some degree, to say, look how easy it is for me to make shit pop off because I'm a demon now and I'm a devil. And that is based, I think, more of Christianity than religion per se, because that's just what's so mainstream in the U.S. I think a lot of the times with that is, too, these people are just looking for a way to say something,

do something to just garner some attention. Yeah, shock value. And get people talking about that. But to Key's point, that shock value shit is usually rooted in demonic shit. Yeah, they really be practicing that. Look at Black China. She really had that shit tattered on her. You know what I mean?

And when you tap, like, you know, energy is real. Dark forces are real. 100%. You know what I mean? When a person is involved in that shame and that guilt energy, that dark energy, right? A person feels low about themselves. We live in the dark triad of personalities, you know what I mean, the psychopathic personalities, the narcissism, the Machiavellian personalities, right? The lack of energy, the sadists, right? And these personalities are now becoming more prevalent, especially with technology, right? And when we look at, like, what people are pulling on, what aspects of people that they're, they're not pulling on the higher self of people, they're pulling on the lower self. They're going to the lower-hanging fruits. This is what marketing. and psychologists have done throughout America to sell products.

Right? When they wanted women to smoke cigarettes, right? They played them on the idea of power to be like men when only men smoked it. And then women associated that with, you know, the torchlight of freedom because they started playing on human being desires in their dark side. That was the whole idea. So while people were trying to be morally straight and not give in to these dark side of things, they were saying, no, this is real freedom.

this is liberty but whose voice is that historically that was supposed to be like the voice of the devil right that was supposed to be the one that you you balance out the light in the dark right i was taught satan is more of a group of people in coalition doing evil right where the devil is an inner aspect of self right that is the light in the dark within right the one that devalues is the devil the one that has values is god the one that try to get you to the lower inclination versus the higher thought process Some people call it the chakras, right? The root to where you're thinking of your lower desires or, you know, the chak or the crown to where you're thinking of higher self, critical thinking, analysis, you in your imagination thinking about the future.

So it's like society is just playing on the desires. And this is why we got so much stress, anxiety, depression, and suicidal thinking and ideation because it doesn't give you an outlet to express self for the future. Right? Like a lot of these things are rooted in the addiction or not the worshipping of death, right? The not being happy, right? These little kids got damn are cutters and suicidal and they want to be a part of something. Right. But a lot of that is also just the natural machine of too much technology consumption.

And big pharma. It's pharma as well. So when you have overconsumption of technology, yes, it decreases mental health. Right, we go to a mental death. Instead of a life culture is a death culture. You got, you know, mobilization, automation, digitization. As the world becomes increasingly more technological, it becomes less spiritual, right? And then that spiritual disconnection, that spiritual dryness means you have less of a connection

to God, right? And the things that God made, nature, right? And now you're more connected to the things that man made, machines, right? And so you could go get your hallucinations from a plant if you want to. can go step into a VR world by tapping into a mushroom. But instead, no, you're now getting that stimulation from machine. Right. You're going to get that VR from a machine.

Right. So it's that thing where man is falling in love with the illusions of the world. Right. And the devil will give you nothing, which is the illusion. Right. God give you everything. That's nature. That's true reality and self.

Right. But he say, no, I'll pull on your desires. I'll let you dream and sleep for the rest of your life. God said, well, listen, I'm going to take you through real life experience, which is life. I'm going to show you how to live. But when I show you how to live, you have the strength and ability to go through life.

The devil pulls on those cords where you don't even want to go through life, right? Because it feels like too much. So you feel like you need to be protected. When a pimp comes and protect the woman that's insecure, she'll give up her bodies for that protection. Where it's like, no, God is supposed to be the preparation. You don't need protection.

You're good. Go out in the world. You're one of my soldiers. Have one entertainment. salacious question left, I think. Do you think the movie Oppenheimer coming out was just ironic timing or purposeful? There's no coincidence in Hollywood.

I think it was... Because when I saw that trailer, I said, oh, right on fucking Tom. You know what, there was an interesting correlation between Oppenheimer and like Barbie. They were showing on how, and I don't want to misconstrue the facts on it, but they were just explaining how,

when the launching of the bomb testing and then the launching of the Barbies and there was like three different correlations like at the bomb thing then it was the Barbie thing and you know it's always interesting with Hollywood you know I mean because Oppenheimer was man playing God

you know what I'm saying like and at this point where you learn some codes of the universe and this is how you use them you know what I'm saying like for me those codes of the universe those math those numbers, those things that you discovered, should be used for construction, right? Not where man decides to figure out how he can destroy man.

Because we learned some codes that could destroy the whole planet. You know what? And we use them what, to go to war and spread fear tactics against each other? And so man is doing the same thing with machine. We learned the codes to be able to tap in to create sentient beings, right? And to automate processes that deeply reflect our own neocortex and beginnings of advancement. and now we're utilizing them for what? So man is so inundated in capitalism and his own desires and power.

And now the average human being is doing that, that Machiavellian nature to step over anybody to get what you want, right? That psychopathic nature to be completely unempathetic, right? That is directly steeped into capitalism, winning the wars. Number one, book, put in prison too, by the way. Yeah. Then the sadicism, you know what I mean, is that, that, You are, you know, expressedly getting some sort of satisfaction out of the harm for others, right, that you don't even know.

That's social media. We laugh at people's pain. We want to see them get counseled. We want to see them get hurt. Right? To fill up whatever lack that you're missing in your own life. Right? The narcissism to where everything is about me.

Yeah. Right? That's social media. I need my likes. These are my selfies. Everything is about me. So it's the dark, you know, personalities that's constantly being spread throughout reality. And Oppenheimer was one of them, right?

Oppenheimer, you know, was great in his ability to lead the project into fruition. Right. But he wasn't a great man to be celebrated. Right? The same way, you know, these men who create these destructive forces, he went around and he knew these other scientists. He was the only person that could get it done. He was the one willing to get it done. He was the one willing to sell his soul.

Right? That's the thing about reality is that, you know, the scientists that do it aren't the only ones that know how to correct the codes of the universe. I brought up Oppenheimer not just with Hollywood. I thought it was very convenient that they brought out the aliens after the Oppenheimer movie like. Oppenheimer ain't get that technology from the aliens. Let me not use the word alien. Well, yeah. Yeah, it was a lot going on and it fills a study.

Where do you think we got that from? Man, come on, man. He got it from the mothership. They was given that technology, right? to show the power of God, understand me? Like, you got to understand me. We're dealing with, you know, prophetic things right now. We're dealing with a time of scriptures and revelation.

Whether you want to believe or not, this is the great unfolding of things. Yeah. Right? The great unfolding of forces and power. And so this is that time and age where you have to be a high-level observer to really see the signs. The average person don't. I look at things literally from like a high-level observational standpoint. You know what I'm saying?

and signs and symbols is for the conscious mind is for the righteous minds. Everybody don't see it, but signs and symbols control the subconscious mind. There was so much knowledge coming out of the early 20s, right? So many great thinkers that, you know, the mentalism of that era, the positivism of that era is what we utilize now,

the manifestation of utilizing the universal laws. But then the scientific paradigms that was happened during that time, right? what was man given during that time that allowed him to exceed his abilities? They just have the Wright brothers barely fly in a car, right? How all of a sudden we make that giant leap to talking about flying saucers? Yeah. How do we go from, you know, even imagining the technology, propulsion jets and anti-gravity,

when we barely believe that the Wright brothers would ever get, right, the goddamn wings off the ground to fly? Right. How do you make that jump that fast? It seems like a thousand years happened within, 20 years in between that space. And then from flight on. It can only happen from crazy as one.

Someone not of this world with knowledge not of this world. Right. Right. Giving that to a people to study. Right. And now we're in that day and age, like I said. I don't think this thing is going to go to the way people think is going to go, but the future is uncertain.

Nobody controls the future. Nothing is certain in the future besides what the people believe because it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. Right. And when man playing God, one of the thing about the nuclear weapon is like a singularity when man destroys himself right he gets so big within his own thinking he's given the codes and that's why they had to come up with the mad the mutually assured destruction you don't use the weapons we don't use the weapons but we both got them those treaties were destroyed and now was every man for themselves and every since then they were trying to stop nations from compiling and stockpiling these weapons but when you go look at throughout their files you're going to see that you know there's been plane shot down there's been a lot of you're going to see that you know there's been plane shot down there's There's been a weapon system targeted.

There's so many undisclosed. The disclosed files you ain't got to wear about. Right. It's the undisclosed thing. Why is there so much undisclosed to the American people? It's not just some national security threat, but it's not until people consent to what hasn't been disclosed that they were undisclosed. Like, okay, we're ready because people ain't going to trip now. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, it's been long enough. Oh, people believe in these things. Now, given the information from 100 years ago. I want current up-to-date data. You know what I'm saying? But there's some black gods out here moving around, man. I'll be seeing them in those ships, man. They be up there saying, what's up?

Salute, I see. You know what I'm saying? One of them talking, they watch high-level conversations. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you had any sightings or anything like that? Huh? Have you or anyone you know? Have any of any sighted?

Hell yeah. I'll be seeing them in a, and they don't even be the satellites. I'd be seeing them in the sky moving around and stuff. You know what I mean? They'd be tapped in. Listen, the night sky is the most mysterious thing to modern man. because we have skyline. We don't have a nice sky, right?

We don't look up like the ancestors did and see millions of stars, right? We don't see our galaxy. Our galaxy we see on movies and in books. The ancient man, when he didn't have the so-called technology, we had here, get to look up. The dog-on people was able to chart stars before there was so-called astronomy. How did they do that? They had a connection that was beyond this world, right? So modern man in his ideas of his advancement is still slow to be able to reveal how ancient man did what he did.

But he had a different reality. I wish every single day at night you look up and you see millions of stars. You see asteroid shooting around. You see little things floating. But man barely even looks up to notice. Or build pyramids. Yeah. Who else who looks up?

Two different continents that are on the same. We always looking down now. Yeah. You know what I mean? Man is always with his head down, not his head up. ancient man used to look up way more in his day. When I was a child, I used to stare at the cloud. You know how you see the different figures.

That makes your mind think differently. Right? When the night comes, you used to stare at the stars and just gaze. That's great for your mental health. But I remember the first time when I was flying over to Africa, I seen the real sky. And I'm like, I thought it was fake. I'm like, yo, this really exists.

I thought like, I thought that was just like CGI, they added on to the movies. I looked out the window. I said, oh, I'm looking to see anybody else. Obviously, they were more well-traveled to me at the time. They're like, bro, it's thaw. Yes, it's the Milky Way, brother. So you feel it?

Because when I obviously grown up here in New York and just anywhere in the United States, there's constant air pollution. You can seldom see anything. Although I understand what you're saying, the looking up versus down, meaning studying the earth rather than your phone. I get that concept. But when I went to Africa, the same deal, South Africa. I was in, like, Johannesburg and looked up.

and I took some acid. And then I really, it was weird. I had like this whole, I'm seeing my life in my cycle in the realm of humanity and what it means to just be a present being rather than an individual. And the sky itself was just the craziest thing that from that trip, I saw lions. I saw fucking every animal that you would ever want to see in real time in my face. But the sky was the thing that I remember most. So I'm not necessarily sure where I'm going with.

at this point per se. Just think about how impressed you were by something man didn't make. Yeah. When we come to New York, people come to see the buildings. You know what I mean? They're completely impressed by what man makes.

But man used to be completely impressed by what God made. Not to sound corny, but the sky allows you to think what if buildings in your phone tells you what is. Well, it forces you to think beyond your presence. Exactly, yeah.

There's a what if up there. Right. There's a what is right here. The moon is probably the most intriguing thing on the, ever. Every day we see this goddamn moon He's just be up there looking at us You know what I mean

And that moonlight literally has a pool And a tug on the earth Right? We're connected to the sun moon and stars That's why we walk around that sun moon and stars Man how much a percentage is our body of water? Oh, we're about 80%. And the moon pulls every tide Every bit of water

Of course it's going to move us You think we landed on the moon? Wow, Michael Jackson did It's a great response So I got rid of Mike So when are we going to get Because you know You know what happens

When you start to elevate And you start to you know Touch certain rooms And you start to so I'm glad you about to ask this question When it's going to happen man Because I know somebody going to pop up

That went to college with you Somebody went to high school They go like that ain't him man I'm going to tell you who he really is When it's going to happen It can happen today Shit go on head man Listen I got multiple personalities

You know what I'm saying We really do come from the streets You were a savage. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Grew up in Oakland and St. Louis. I'm a real person. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like, to me, like, you can't expose somebody who real. Right. It is what it is. Right. You feel me? Like, the idea that you can expose people to say, hey, this person is not perfect is crazy. Right.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, obviously I'm not. You know what I'm a black man in America. Man, I couldn't be perfect. Man, I grew up in impoverished environments. I grew up seeing my parents go through it. And I mean, I grew up in poverty. I grew up having to do.

I ain't to say having, but doing different crimes and I had court cases. You know what I mean? Grew up and shuffinistic environments to where you be a womanizer. You don't know the best things to do. Like, all of this is what makes me great. Yeah.

You know what makes any man great when he goes through those trials and tribulations and he practices alchemy. Right. You know what I mean? He decided to take those things and make it light, right? Otherwise, I couldn't have the experiences

to teach others. Like, what would I know? Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I didn't go up in the streets and also grow up in different environments. How can I tell anybody thing? How can someone relate to it?

Yeah. Like, so for me, it don't even matter. I know that the so-called idea of fame. Fame is crazy. I don't know why people want to say. Man, listen. Because it don't make sense. I was listening to you.

I was talking to yesterday. He was doing some comedy. You know what I'm saying? He was just talking about the price of fame is when basically, you know, you get the benefits of being known and for whatever comes along with those benefits. But the people get to say whatever they want about you, true or false.

And, you know, I think one day that's going to be like an AI where, you know, you have to, they have to be a credible source when people say something, a libel AI. You know what I mean? A person shouldn't just be able to make a video and get other people to believe it. Right. They should have to go through some sort of like source, you know what I mean, credential to be like, okay, this is true because on a blockchain, he submitted this evidence, you had the opportunity to submit.

You can't just put out false information. Nowadays you can't. And there's literally people that would just walk around and believe. it because they don't want to hear the truth. They want to believe the lower things about you. Of course. You know what I mean? So for me, man, yeah, man, it is what it is.

I don't even live in that fear, man. Shit, we was mobbing. You've got mail. We have this thing we do at the end of each episode. We have voicemails from our listeners. Okay. That either tell us a story, they ask for advice. I'm actually not sure which one we're about to listen to.

But this should be fun. Just so you're aware, I'm the only one that hears these before we. So everyone else is reacting in real time. What up, y'all? It's AC. I'm out here in North Carolina, man. I can't see y'all in Charlotte. Y'all got to come back.

We fought with y'all down here. But just to, you know, start this shit off and get y'all a little back story. So a former homie of mine, we went to high school together, graduated. He was a year ahead of me. But we kicked it after high school and shit like that. that I'm 30 now. But, yeah, so, you know, around 24, 25, when we was actually really hanging, I noticed I would deal with a girl, and then I get whispers of him trying to deal with it, you know, whether it's

on a one-time thing or if I'm dealing with a heavy or whatever, right? So once I've heard that so many times and, you know, I kind of brought it to him, and you know what I was talking about, still kept hearing it, right? so I just fell back completely. So with that, and, you know, we ain't really talked over the years, whatever, whatever, both went,

and then we took it live saying, you got a BM, and I ain't gonna lie, she's one of the ones. Oh, God. And she really, out of a sudden, out of nowhere trying to get at me, and she don't know our history. So I really want to know what should I do.

I think she's trying to do. a spiteful, spiteful fuck. So, yeah. Oh, was he 30? 30. Leave that alone,

yeah. Yeah. Listen, man, we all got to grow up and go through things. I'm not proud of some things I did, you know, when I was younger,

but I just would never encourage somebody to do a spiteful. Like. So to grab that whole story, from what I understand is he was dealing with a girl, his friend ended up messing with her. Yeah. And years past,

he now has a baby mother. And that big of, your mother is interested. You're not going to feel good after that fuck. Even if you do it, you're not going to feel good afterwards. Yeah, like, that's just not. It's not worth it. You know.

That, yeah, you're not. That's a lot of indication upon you. Yeah. On how hurt you are, that she ain't never healed, that you're trying to get revenge and be spiteful and vindictive. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, it's enough women now in the world to say no. You know what I mean?

Somebody attached to a situation. I think you would respect yourself more by saying no. Got to. you have sex with her and then nut is over and then you still feel like shit because you know what I mean you just as low as him yeah and you got to look at yourself like internally as a weird human being if you don't want to fuck that girl and you only want to fuck her because of a man that's weird that's a whole not you're gonna be thinking about him the whole that's like another conversation that sounds like it's less about her and more about

him listen if he really like like that girl and pursued her and then found out like oh that's my The ex-man's different. Man, go get some therapy, man. Man, you sound hurt. You know what I'm saying? Go get some therapy, man. You know what I'm saying? He hollered at one of your girls.

Like, that's over with it. Go binge with some high-level conversation. We got one more? Yeah. Yeah, I was playing another one. This is a page out of Mall's book. My book? Oh, God.

What's up, y'all? I could just use your opinion on a conversation I was having with somebody the other day. So me and my girl go to dinner a few weeks ago, and I overhear the waitress telling these people a couple tables, you know, across from us, whatever. A gentleman had paid for the woman's food, not the man's, but then after he did this, he just, she was like, he just kind of disappeared. Like, I haven't seen him, but saying, I don't know where he went, who he was, whatever. Which, I mean, I guess like that's a move. That's crazy to just like, I don't know, whatever, but that's bold move, you know.

that's one thing but then dude just left like that's lame as hell you can't do that and then leave that's just the whole thing um but the sickest part is that this is an outback steakhouse like dog they're selling they're selling gift cards for here at croaker down the street like at max you just paid like 30 bucks for her to have like some grilled chicken and two sides like what the fuck are you doing anything now you're just big day swinging in here with like 30 bucks for some from Alice Springs chicken in the outback. He went crazy outback, did you? So what's like, I feel like if you're going to, if you're going to do something like that, like if you're going to buy somebody's meal,

especially if they're there with like their person or whatever, you got to spend at least 100. Like at least. Yeah. So yeah, what do you think about that? That shit just thing lame as fuck to me. This is Ball's bag. It's not my bag.

That's your bag. All right, first listen, let me get the backstory for those I don't know. So a friend of mine, I had took her to this restaurant one night. We went literally just a friend. We never tried anything like physical romantic, none of that. Outback. No, it wasn't out of that. And she liked the spot.

So she kept saying how much she liked the spot. I say, listen, don't be bringing none of your dudes to spots I'm putting you on to. Like, fast forward maybe eight months later, she hits me like, yo, what's the name of that spot we went to? I'm going here to eat. I'll say, yo, here you go. She said, no, I'm just going out with this guy. Like, you know what I'm saying? I just want to go there because I like the food that was there.

I had it. I feel for that. Told her the spot. She went there. So what I did was I called this spot and I picked up the tab right because we had had a conversation I was like yo

if you're crazy right because listen he's nuts he's nuts listen listen listen but I was like because we had a conversation before I said yo if you out with a dude and a dude you used to talk to you see him in the spot

he picks up the tab for the table what you doing like how are you maneuvering through that because now it's like it's like your whole love like who's this dude like so I remember that I said oh no this is the perfect time Perfect. So I did that call. She texted me. She started laughing. She said, yo, he's so lame. He didn't even recognize that the tab was already paid for. He'd been in his phone the whole time. She said, I'm never going out with this dude again, right? How would he have known it was paid for? Yeah, no plan. So yeah, was he not going to play?

If the way to come to the table would say, yo, it's already been taken care of. He didn't even hear that part. Girl math. Yeah, girl math. He didn't even hear that part. You know what I'm saying? So whatever. So the internet kind of killed me for that saying I was dirty Mac. And I'm like, yo, it's not a girl. It's dirty mac and if I'm trying to get with that girl. That's my... I still feel like that was dirty man. Look what happened. She's never talked to him again. She looks at him like a lame.

Because of an action that you did. No, that's not... See, you're missing it. She wasn't going to hang out with him again because the date was just lame. He wasn't talking. He was on his phone the whole time. But you ain't know that. I didn't know that.

You threw an audible on a play. Yeah, but my thing is... You wasn't in the game. But this is different, though. Big dirty Mac. But this is different because he only paid for sure. George's meal. He didn't pick up the other $30 for the other.

He wasn't. I think he was smart for that. For not picking up the homies meal? Yeah. He's not going to pay for his meal. I'm not picking up either of y'all meals. I'm not picking him nobody meal, but it's just funny. That whoever.

You wouldn't pick up your home girl's meal. That's like a friend of yours. I mean, if we're together. I'm not, not if she's on a date with someone else. Yeah. To the nod. Thank you. I'm picking a lot of you.

But only only because, only because, like I said, it's not like you trying to get at her or anything like that. You just know because you had this conversation before like I'm not to fucking a whole night up. Like she's going to have to talk about, you know, who's the dude that picked up your the mill? That's a good point though, but what if it fucked up the whole night? It does fuck up the whole night.

What if you did fuck up the whole night? You're bringing in a variable that should even be a part of this. Because if that's me and some guy randomly, I'm not talking to her again. She got some weird shit going on. Yeah. Without question. Got this anonymous, mysterious trick. Who's it? Just paying for all of her

goddamn dinner. I don't know if she was... Anonymous... I don't know if the... I'm gonna think the owner hitting the chef, the waiter, somebody. Like, why did you bring me here? Yeah. Like, what the hell going on? When you go with your girl and... I'm gonna ask. Like, did you have sex with this person that just

paid for this meal? Like, I'm gonna feel like, what the fuck going on? And that's what I wanted that to happen. That's dirty mac. That's dirty mac. But it's not dirty mac and if she tells the story about what happened. Now, if I'm her ex and I do that, and that's like, oh, word. So y'all still communicate? But if she's like, yo, this is my homeboy, like, you know, any man on the other side of that wouldn't believe this.

We're repeating ourselves. If that was flipped, if that was flipped, you would never speak to that girl again. I'd like FaceTime home. No, you wouldn't. You would leave. Colette. Let me talk to this, nigga. You would leave.

No, I'm not. You would not mess with that girl ever again. Bro, that's not true. I would have said, yo, call. And you'd be right. No, listen, I would have been his wife. I would have said, no, no, but I knew. No, this one.

No, this one is different because the dude didn't even know the girl. At least I knew my home girl. He was just on some wild stuff. You know what I'm saying? And maybe he did know her, but he didn't want her to know. You know what I'm saying? He could have known it.

It could have been somebody at the restaurant or he could have d-in her later and be like, yeah, I'm the one who took care of that. You feel I mean? And she didn't tell him who it was because she probably went out with him again. I mean, listen, man.

That would have been one of the previous DMs I think a woman has read. Yeah, that was me that paid for that. How was your experience and mass? It's a mass potato. Yo, that steak and mashed on me, it's nothing. Lock that guy up. But if she liked what she saw, she was like, that was different.

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, it could go either way. But I think that that's, I think paying for just, I was in dipping. I think that's hilarious. It could have just been somebody playing a game. You know what I'm saying? Just randomly doing something.

You don't even know. That's what I was doing. It could be funny with your homegirls. Strong games to play. On like a legitimate date, like, you really. Yeah, like you fucking everything up. No, because any man is going to be like, what the fuck? You could have stopped some children from coming in reality.

Right, see? Look. Or. Or. And they could have killed him. Block and blessing. I saved her from a nightmare of a date that she told me was a nightmare. I didn't know that.

She said it was a nightmare? Yeah. She said I would never go out. I would never see that dude again. Because he didn't pick up the tab? No, because he was just, you know, he wasn't present. He was on his phone. He was, I guess he didn't get her job.

She should have been. She got dudes paying for her dinner once in a day. Yeah. He was doing it. He avoided a nightmare. Because if he wasn't even presently aware that he was avoiding it. But if he was conscious of it, he was, what the fuck? What the fucking?

I'm sure. Where since you got me going, is this a game show? Like, no, he avoids it out. Like, he was the one who won. Probably. He didn't have to pay. And he had to be attached to that ever again. Yeah.

So he got a free date. Hell you. He ate some fool. And then he left. And whoever was on his phone, he went with them. He's like how most women live their life. Yeah. Girl math.

We got one back. Before we close, I see you put these on the table. Oh, that's just some of the new tropics that we utilize. Okay. You know what I mean? So we actually have more to go water. We got, we utilize functional and adaptive, adaptogenic mushrooms. Mm-hmm.

You know what I mean? So my alliance mains, the cortiseps, CBD, different compounds that's good for Chaga. Increasing memory mood. Yes, Chaga. You know, we got the brainstorm coffee coming out. I'm big on the tropics. I take them every single day.

This is yours? Where can we get these? Yeah, yeah, yeah. At goldwater.com, G-O-W-Water.com. So that's one of the brands that I started with my family years ago. You know what I mean? So the whole family worked for that brand. It was just one of those things where...

Just put a couple of those. Yeah. You just take a little sip every single day. And it's just one of those things I started because, you know, I wanted to wake up refreshed. I mean, I wanted to be able to retain information because I was doing a lot of studying. And what I learned is like after the age of 25, right, your process and neurogenous slow down, right? So, you know, being able to put these compounds and stimulants within the body, like, you know, we should, like people, the only, the most popular herb is weed. Yeah.

But weed ain't the only goddamn plant. You know what I'm saying? There's so many more things, millions of them that do amazing different things. And so we just started researching, you know, what are some of those things that we can start taking? Yeah. Right. That would be natural substances. So like the corticeps, for me, you know, it's natural stimulant for when you're working out, you know, ATP, which is going to decrease that recovery time, increase that auction that you get in while you working out, right?

And then for me, that focus of like the smart monster we got, that one is powerful because it's like it's going to get you into a calm state, but like a focus state. Okay. So instead of Adderall with all the side effects getting you mood swings and your energy is low, you ain't going to get none of that. You're going to be in a good state to be able to study, to be able to learn, to be able to get things done. So I take these things every day. And as you grow older, and we're dealing with all this technology and this fast-paced things. You're going to need it more and more and more and more. Yeah.

I mean, to deal with brain health. Because brain health is really the greatest correlation with mental health, but people don't think about it. Oh, absolutely. 100%. The same thing. Yeah. Well, thank you. My brothers, I'm glad we could finally connect and kick it a little bit.

We got to do this again soon. Absolutely. This was fun. Yeah, I got to. I know you just everywhere. Every time I look up, you somewhere. Your trip to Africa before we leave. How was that?

What was that for you? Because I saw when you went to the, I believe it was the jail that they housed some of the slaves at. Yeah, the slave. And you stood on the absolute, you stood at the slave castle. What did that do for you, man? How did that change just the way you feel, the way you view things, the way you view the world? Actually going there and putting feet on the land. I've been to Africa before, but that was my first time in West Africa.

So I've been to South Africa. I was hired to go speak at a school. And then I was hired to go to Egypt to go speak in front of the pyramids for a group. But coming to West Africa was a different, complete feel. Egypt, I felt a very spiritual presence when I was there. When I got on the grounds, when I went inside the pyramids. It was an overwhelming spiritual. like, I don't know, protocol to happen,

whereas like it just hit me all at once. And I didn't think that was going to happen. But Ghana is where I actually felt safe. I mean, I felt safe and aware I felt far away from the bullshit of America, right? All of the bigering, the fighting, the perspectives, ideas, you know, and I felt connected to that place where I didn't feel like the people in that environment was looking at me a certain way, wanted to rob me, wanted to take something. different from me. No, it was just a lot of the people are very relaxed and calm.

Gone is one of the most peaceful countries in the world, right? And it actually needs to be branded like that more. But when I went to the slave castle, I'm not going to lie, that's like visiting a hunted house for black people, black trauma. They take you through these tunnels and they show you where the slaves have been, you know, walked through before they were put on this passage to come to America and you feel the pain you feel the trauma you feel that energy just dark as hell and no not go a lot tear it up while I was in there and because it's just whether it's your people I think anybody walking through that place just feel the pain of people have taken their last steps of freedom you know what I'm saying and then being pushed off to this

voyage of the unknown to be in uncertain circumstances forever so it's like being in those places man, it just felt extreme pain. And while I was there, I had to figure out a way to, like, convert that energy. I don't like feeling bad. Yeah. I live in America, and the greatest thing is, like, being able to convert, right, that darkness into light, like, what we go through. How do we convert that to triumph?

Mm-hmm. So I remember I started, I did some push-ups at the top. I'd be doing push-ups everywhere I go. But it was, like, the quickest physical thing that I could do to, like, represent to my ancestors, like, no, I'm not going to leave here down. going to leave here sad and depressed, we're free now. You know what I mean? Like, y'all spirit can walk out with me.

You know what I mean? We're going to represent that energy. You know what I'm saying? We gods are how we move now. Like we in a different day and age, I'm not walking out of there sad with my head down because that's the way it make you feel. Right.

But I wanted to transmute that and put a different energy there because honestly, I think that place should be knocked down. You know what I mean? I don't think we need to go there and be triggered by the trauma over and over and over and over and over and over and get. Yeah. You know what I think that, you know, for a lot of people who, if you don't already know and feel connected to it,

I don't think that place is going to transform you. You know what I'm saying? Like, I already got knowledge yourself. I'm already educated on the slave trade. I'm already educated on the evils of history. I don't need to go through a hunted house to feel it. Right. Right?

So that's why I was like, no, we actually need more confidence and less fear. Right? We need to heal so we're not triggered. Right? We don't need to be triggered. We need something that represents change. Right. Like we need to consecrate those grounds and transmute that energy and that place around

there and that place around there should be thriving to say, hey, we're in a new space. Right. Right. And, you know, this new space is a representation of the future, not taking me through the past. So, and that's just my personal feelings towards it, right? I know some people feel connected to that, but that wasn't a place owned by black people. Right. You know what I'm saying?

That was a place owned by them damn, them damn slave traders. And them people was evil. I don't need to walk into the house of my enemy in order to feel connected to my past. That's a fact. But Ghana, I felt connected to the earth. I feel connected to the soil. The food was better.

The people were great. Every place we went to was love. We stand in nice, different places. I went with my bro, Memphis DePay. You know, he wanted a top football players in the world. Soccer, right? And then, you know, my brother, Freedom, Jacob Caesar, who I had a conversation with out there,

our interview went crazy. because it was like one of the first times like an African thought leader, an American thought leader came together. Yeah, yeah. In that corporate exchange. So, you know, it just gave me so many realizations about how small of our thinking we are in America.

Yeah. One of the things I realize is that the brand of black Americans is controlled by the industry completely from a global perspective. Think of it like this. The average person is going to know Drake before they know who far kind of. is. Right? They go know 50 cent before they know who Malcolm X is. Right. They go know

two pop before Frederick Douglass or Marcus Garvey. Right. They know our entertainment, right? Versus our revolutionaries, our social activists. And that's what we really gave to the world. Not entertainment. We have been the hardest people fighting for freedom, justice, equality, and change on this planet. Yeah, I mean, every year, every decade, we've been fighting, giving y'all new leaders, new ideas, new testaments to get behind. And we just, been showing other people how to fight their revolutions all throughout the world. But that's not our brand. Our brand is not freedom fighters.

Our brand is entertainers. So we export nigger, bitches, hoes, death, kill, murder, drill music. Right? We're not exporting, you know, life, revolution, right? Activism, right, enlightenment. And when you go over there with your bravado, who you think you are, that's not who they see you. They compare you to the rapper or entertainment that you know. Yeah.

So it's like we have to do a better job now as media on both sides. Africans have to do a better job of controlling their narrative. Right. And I put this onus on the creatives that come out of Africa, the influencers. Showed Africa you want to see. I don't just complain about the Africa they show, right? There are multiple billions, so much richness and money in Africa, the billionaires and millionaires.

If they want to change the image of Africa, is their responsibility first to do it. it. Not in the black American to do it. Nobody else. If they care, right, then they'll say, you know what, I want to fund some of these projects to showcase what Africa looks like. Go look at the Emirates.

What are they doing in Saudi Arabia? They bring the influence over there to show what it looks like. They got billions of dollars. Do the same thing if you care about the future of the people and how these people are perceived so you can increase the economy over there and allow people to come in and feel safe and create infrastructure and

jobs. Right? So it had me thinking of things in so many different ways. You know, I was blessed by the imam of Ghana. You know, I met with, you know, I went to the president's office. I met with the prince of Ghana. I met with the brother Freedom, who considers himself the prince of Africa. He's a businessman and real estate developer, one of like, you know, the most influential people in Ghana, right? We, you know, was on jet skis out there. I showed the nice parts. I also went to the villages. We shot photo shoots. And, man, we had a good. time out there, we have vibes, right? And I suggest people go, but when you go and you think about Africa, you have to think about Africans, right? Africans is divided by tribes, languages, ethnic groups.

You can't talk about investing in Africa unless you talk about connecting with Africans, right? You can't just jump into the land. It's like, all right, there's Africans out there doing stuff, right? Talk to them, create connections, create networks and bridges, and build. And last but not least, like, the silos of the American consciousness, specifically in like the conscious community, we think our voice is bigger than it actually is. It's drowned out in the world landscape of things. Nobody knows what you think.

If you want to become, if you become a global presence, the local chatter don't matter. Right. You know what I mean? It's like the same way the people in your hood may look at you and then how the world look at you. You know what I mean?

So I think everybody should focus on globalizing their brand. Right? The whole globe ain't go counseling you. You know what I mean? It may be a million people in America who don't like you. So wet. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's such a small percentage to the backdrop if you got another 10 million people in a world who know you 30 million, 40, 50, 100 million. If you want to avoid dealing with the ills of society trying to force, right, their control mechanisms on you, go global. Right? So that was one thing that Africa taught me. It was like,

You can't just be a thought leader for America. You have to be a thought leader for the world. Sure. Powerful. Yo, my brother, I want to thank you again for just coming by kicking with us. We've got to connect again sometime soon. Yes, sir. Appreciate everything you're doing, all the conversations that you're creating,

all the thought leaders that you're inspiring. Thank you. And I appreciate the work that you're doing out here just to change, just the next generation is this generation and thinking about what's to come. So thank you. Keep doing what you're doing. Continue, blessings, continue health, continue success. Thank you.

And thank you for this high-level conversation. And thank you, man. A Christian, a Muslim, and a Jew has walked in a room and had a high-level one. 19 key, y'all. All is the Jew. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human.