New Rory & MAL - Episode 234 | Mos Def Made Drake Pop

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

It’s a two hour Tuesday. We’re back with a long episode to help you get through the early days of the week (0:00) . Immediately Rory and Mal discuss the rats they once knew and share some common ground (6:00). Then we get into the ‘Book of Clarence’ low ticket sales and how underwhelming the Jay Z & D’Angelo song turned out (09:25). We get into the most pressing topic on the timeline, Mos Def v.s. Drake (29:12) . We break down the viral video and discuss the historical context of their relationship. Somehow this leads to the room challenging Julian’s love for a fat a**. Naturally, this flows into a conversation about weight and we share our numbers (47:05). We return to music with the 11 year old artist Fng King and his recent club appearances with Drake & Lil Baby (52:30). Should children be in those environments? This leads to Mal sharing two stories from the early 2000s (hint: Bow Wow & Jay Z) (1:03:09) . Then we react to Dame Dash’s response to Fat Joe (1:21:37). It’s time for voicemails. (1:33:20) Today we give parenting advice. This leads to Rory thinking about Amara’s choices in the future (1:51:37). Rory also brought up an old photo of Mal’s mom which leads to a wild finish (2:02:14) Follow The Team:Rory - https://www.instagram.com/thisisrory/Mal - https://www.instagram.com/mal_bytheway/Julian - https://www.instagram.com/julian__nicholas/Demaris - https://www.instagram.com/demarisagiscombe/Merch: https://newrorynmal.com/Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalYouTube Subscribe: https://rb.gy/hk7up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hey, everybody. We're in D.C. March 23rd, mall is going to storm the capital, and we cannot wait. Let us know what the Declaration of Independence is like.

Well, I mean, you were there already. But anyways, Howard Theater. March 23rd, Washington, D.C., we cannot wait. Mall cannot wait. It's an election year, so we'll be at the edge of our seats when we go to our nation's capital. It's going to be an amazing show.

Who knows who's going to pop up? I met Bill. You never know. The big, oh, you're a big guy. No. We are back. Good to see you guys. Back from the weekend.

Had an interesting weekend. I went to the movies. You know, that's my interesting weekends whenever I go to the movies. By yourself? Yes. Because you used to shit on me for years. for going to the movies.

No, but then, no, don't do that because then I told you how wrong I was about that, and it's actually a pretty, like, peaceful thing to do. I think it's the only way to go to the movies. Not the only way, but, you know, it is a cool way to go to. I'd rather just be at home and watch a movie with somebody, and I'd rather go to the movies by myself. But it's kind of the same, though. If I'm in the movies, I'm there just for the movie,

not for the experience with the other person. Yeah, but I'm there for the surround sound, the big-ass screen. If I could just stay at home with somebody. I mean, first of all, staying at home is always the number one thing to do. But I think watching the movie is cool to go to the movies with people. Definitely depends on what type of movie it is. And definitely depends on who you're with. Because there's such thing as movie theater etiquette.

A lot of your friends don't have movie theater etiquette. A lot of girls, they want to be on their phone checking Snapchat. And a lot of girls have that light up case with a whole phone lights up. Now, everybody in the theater is disturbed because you want to check your Snap or your Instagram with this whole light thing on your case. So definitely don't want to go to the movies with those type of girls. There's a great stand-up bit here between white people going to the movies and black people, but I'll just leave it alone.

Yeah, leave that alone. No, why? The most, what, cliche stand-up bit of all time? Yeah. Black people speaking in a movie theater? I like those movies, though. I like when... Black people movies?

No. When white people go to the, when black people go to the theater and loud? Inside the theater, you like that? When it's the type of movie that requires certain interactions. Well, no movie requires. crowd participation. No, no, no, but I know what she mean, though, because sometimes if you're watching a movie and there's somebody in the theater that's laughing hysterically at a part that you

thought was funny too. It makes me. Like, you'll start laughing because you're like, yo, that was fun. I'm not talking about, I'm talking about like in a classic serial killer movie and there's the killers around the corner and someone in the back goes, run, bitch. It's like, it's that. We don't need that. If it is, that's kind of like an ad lib.

That's not funny to me. I'm not mad at it. Don't OD on it. But every once in a while with that happens, like that's like if you're, or if you're watching like a ridiculous movie. Like when I went to see Aquaman 2, there were people in the theater like, uh, like because we were, it was like a

collective feeling. Everybody realized why did we spend our money to come see this bullshit? Every time the hero pops up, you got, oh man, him again. You know what's crazy about Aquaman's that I think about it? His power is that he could talk to all the fish in the sea, right? Yes, true. I didn't see

jaws attack anybody. Like how was it, how was a great white and Aquaman 2 doesn't kill nothing. A orca, nothing. None of these, none of these. Orca there. Well, he was there, but like, he just summons them to come help him. And I didn't see them kill anybody. He doesn't mobilize him to, like, do stuff. No. They just there. Like, he calls them when he's about to, like, go fight whoever he's fighting, but you don't see them. No, they fight. But, like, you don't see them in action. You don't see, like, a great white, like, kill anything. You

don't see an orca kill anything. It's like, what he's calling, like, flounders? I didn't see it. No, it's him with his, it's him with his pitch for. They call Nemo? Yeah, it's just like, yo, I want to see like make it that make the sharks kill something make the fish on fish violence well who is his like enemy who is he fighting he's always fighting just random people like are they other ocean but are they in the ocean

they're doing stuff in the ocean so they're land people that try to do things in the ocean you understand I'm saying it's like one of those type of like don't pollute the ocean type of is Aquaman is really captain planet but just like more handsome but like if I was losing the fight I could just like take a step onto the sand

and I'd be out of the fight, right? No, he can, well, Aquaman can file you on sand. But, like, can he do anything to me in the breathing world? Yes, he's half human. He can breathe. No, I know he can breathe, but, like,

does he have any special powers? I mean, he can fight. Like, is it a fair one if we're on the boardwalk? He's outnumbered because the fish are not. Well, as I say, Tori's point, he can't, like, call the lions and giraffes. They don't fuck with him. No, he just aqua.

Anything in the water is he owns. What if I had a gun? Roll credits? I think he still has straight. Yes. But that's, see, on land he's outnumbered because, but even in the ward he's outnumbered because the sharks are not killing nothing for him. What if, what if, he don't got nobody slide for.

Nobody did a casual oil spill. There goes his whole team. And that's wild. Dumb some oil. That little little fucking loser kid got free willy to jump over the rocks. Like, he can't even give. He could do that way. Why did he have to be a loser?

Like, why did he? His best friend was a whale. Then the movie started with him like, throw. throwing a baseball through a window because the parents were arguing. Like, shut up and take your trauma. Yeah. He's like, oh, God, the argument. And, like, just randomly throws a brand new baseball through a window.

That kid should not be around Marine life. Okay. I mean, if your best friend's a whale. He's still impulsive. That's a. That's a towel. Yeah. You're pretty lonely.

Those are the school shooters right there. Michael Jackson's best friend was a rat. So you guys are. One of my best friends was a rat. I just found out two years ago. It is what it is. Me and the kick of pop got more in common. Yeah.

That's how it happens. We don't never tell that story. Like when one of your homies that you grew up with that you was crazy cool with, y'all get old and he do some, he rat like literally tells on the stand. It's like, damn, you got to delete that whole chapter of your life. You got to delete that. You can't be friends with him no more. Or you can't.

I don't know. That's up to you. I mean, I just don't. We're not really the audience that's been the experience. You never had a friend that ratted? Like rattled for real? Like tattletale? Sure.

No, no, like in court. No. Oh. Yeah, I got to live more. Not like a, like a friend, no. I like no people. I know people. You just you.

We're not doing that. Who? We not doing. A friend? I'm not going to. Oh, no, call me out. I'm not doing. I would never say names.

But you have a friend that's a rat. Or, well, you're not friends. I don't know where y'all stand today. Oh. Yeah. Who? That was a legend. No, no.

That ain't a legend. I know. I know him. I know him as well. Yeah, yeah. No, he did time. I know him very well I saw him at a baby shower

not too long ago Yeah, rat He rated He's a rat He's a rat Yeah, you're right We all got a friend We're not friends anymore

So I'm saying But you were friends after that I was Yeah But I honestly didn't know I was not friends with him When I was in high school When that whole thing happened

Okay Okay We became friends When I was like 20 Okay 21 All right But my thing is that

And I had heard rumors about it. But then, see, this is where it got weird, too. Because he went to jail as well. I visited him at Rikers Island. Like, it's not like he told everyone went to jail and did pretty much close to the same amount of time. Well, your man's did a little bit more. He's a good dude, too. That's how it happens.

You racked to get less of time. I was at, I'll tell a quick story. I totally forgot about that entire thing. I really thought I had you in a corner until I realized, yes. somebody that was really... I was at a birthday party. How I really found out about most of it was, I went to a birthday party

and I got there a little bit early and then I got cornered by like three people, one of which he had just came home and was like, oh, your man's coming tonight? And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Then I got the story. Yeah. And I can't lie,

I was a little uncomfortable in that bar being surrounded by four people, one who was fresh home. and like, oh, your best friend, where's he at? I'm like, I don't know. Yeah. Why? Right.

I thought this was a Kappa thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's not a Kappa thing. Then a girl cornered me and screamed at me. That was awkward. I'm like, guys, I was in high school when this happened. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah.

So, yeah, you excluded from that. Damn, even you know about that? I thought that was like internal. No, that's my people's from uptown. Like, his family, his cousin and me are cool. Gotcha, okay. We cool people. He's a good dude, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We get along at the baby shower. It was all fun. That's so funny. I mean, it happens, man. But I don't know, man. Everyone did time. Well, listen, it is what it is.

But I went to the movies this weekend. I went to go see the Book of Clarence. Shout out to James Samuel on another good, a great project. I thought it was really good. I enjoyed it. I loved to spin on the whole story of Jesus of Nazareth and giving that perspective on it. Jesus of Israel you mean? Well, yes.

Too soon? Sorry, too soon. But I do love James Sam in the way he's depicting his movies and his stories, telling it from our perspective and our culture. Just a beautiful, beautiful story. And I think that a lot of people that didn't see this, because I went to the theater and it was empty. I almost thought it wasn't showing at the theater.

But like, we spoke about it off, Mike. A lot of people didn't know about the movie coming out this weekend. A lot of people didn't know what the movie was about. If you do have a chance, go see it. the Book of Clarence is a great movie. Another edition of James Samuel in another edition to his collection of movie and film.

And I thought it was dope. I liked it. It did. I mean, we knew about the movie, obviously, because we knew when James was shooting it. But I did see a lot of people feeling like this just sprung up kind of out of nowhere and there wasn't a lot of lead time with the promo. Even the combo with Elliot,

Jay, and James, which was great, I almost feel like was kind of under-promoted. Like, even some of the clips that came out were, like, bad cell phone videos. And, like, I don't know, just, it felt like it was a secret. Mm-hmm.

It felt, no, it felt like that in the theater. Like, I'm telling you, I went to the theater, and I was surprised at how empty the theater was. I couldn't believe the theater was that empty. But it wasn't select ones, and it's going to go to streaming soon, right? Yeah, it wasn't in all theaters, though, because it was certain theaters that I usually go to watch,

like, if I go see a movie, like, I just like the theater. It wasn't in those theaters. to go to like a different one, but it is in theaters. So I don't know again, it was promoted. It wasn't promoted well. A lot of people didn't know it was out this weekend. A lot of people didn't know the

soundtrack was out. I don't know. It just was under-promoted, I guess. You know I'm a whole venger, but I didn't know we're going to start with Book of Clarence, but I was prepared to come in here and be objective about Jay-Z.

Okay. One, I'll start with the topic that we're discussing now. I think studios and production companies need to stop relying on Jay-Z for promo. Okay. I'm not saying a negative way, but I understand that that's a big card, and it's going to get me to click something at any point. But I don't know if there's a million people just like me in that regard.

I think when Jay launches a lot of stuff, his team relies on just Jay to do one thing, and like it's over. Like that's going to be the promo. Jay did one thing. He popped out, said hello. They took a photo with Beyonce. And that's the only promo we need to do for the remainder of this entire thing.

Like I saw James did Breakfast Club, which was great. But we're talking about a $40 million movie. This is a major picture. Yeah. You can't rely on just Jay Z to get the word out three days before the release. He's powerful, but he's not,

he's not literally the only promotion that you should be able. Not Taylor Swift. No, he's not. Julian, thank you for that. Because I feel like even even Beyonce doesn't do that. Like even Beyonce puts more promo assets and build up

for certain stuff. Yeah. I just think some people just lean on Jay. Like even when a lot of times with like the roster with Rock sometimes I've seen, it's like, well,

if this isn't bubbling, let's just throw a picture with Hove in the office. And it's like, now I just think things needs to add a few more things around that when it's something of this magnitude. I think things have changed significantly in the way promotion needs to go and needs to happen. I think that's a very old card that people

use when it's just put Jay-Z's name on something or stand next to Jay-Z or have Jay-Z come out to the video and this, that's that of third. Cool, that's still a great thing because it's a great look, talking about one of the greatest artist, greatest rapper ever. So it is a great look, but at the end of the day, like you said, I think the consumers are just different now. Consumers are not just like, that's cool, but what about the product, though? Like, I don't care about, you know, the name. How great is the product? How good is the product?

And I think that's where, excuse me, a lot of consumers are now. They care more about the end result. It's not about the bells and the whistles that you put around the whole thing. It's about, okay, what am I paying for? What am I getting? And I think that a lot of people need to focus more on just delivering great quality. Because when you deliver great quality, great quality promotes itself. Yeah.

You can have everybody show up to the premiere. Everybody show up, look great and dressed it. Cool. If the product is terrible, none of that matters. And because I went to the Heart of the Fall premiere, which was great. And I think they grabbed a lot of promo clips for that one, which similar case, James directing, produced by Jay-Z. If you look at the movie business. That was Netflix, wasn't it?

Yeah. Okay. So that's different. Of course, way more money with promotion in that regard. Yeah. But if you look at, and I'm not going to pretend like I know the movie business or how to market it correctly, I'm, simply speaking as a consumer that's observing. I'm just a consumer in this.

I've noticed that when there's premieres for huge movies, down to a fucking Scorsese movie, we don't ever really see the premiere. It's not that big of a deal as far as promo goes. They put promo into everything else. With these movies, it feels like the premiere is the only promo piece. My second thing here to hate on Hove.

I want to start by saying the soundtrack is great. James fucking smoked it. I had that on repeat. I didn't really get around to most of the albums because I was listening to that. When you see the movie and how the music plays into the movie is dope. Smoke the soundtrack. That Doja and Kodak Black record is fucking crazy. Kodak went nuts.

I forget sometimes how dope Kodak is when he feels like rapping, rap. He was rapping on this shit. Content was great. Doja went nuts. Hats off. The most unnecessary JZ verse I've ever heard in my entire life. Just make it a 10-minute D'Angelo song. I feel you.

Like, either commit or don't. I didn't know where he was taking us, like, wherever he took us, I didn't go. I was just waiting for it to go somewhere and it didn't really go anywhere. And I get, like, trying to put a different spin on it because it's DeAngelo and I understand the inflections in your voice with the type of record. I saw the attempt. It just felt unnecessary. Like, it was a weird point in the song that just didn't need to be there. I think that it's, we're at a point where we're just so used to hearing Jay a certain.

type of way. And when we hear it, hearing him do different things, especially at this stage in his career, it's kind of like, I don't know if I wanted that from Jay. I'm, I'm fine with experimenting. And I'm not saying I wanted a God did verse on

this DeAngel record. I don't think it called for that. It just felt so incomplete. I'm fine with an experiment. If Jay gave us a better verse in that type of tone and that type of direction. It was only what? Like eight bars, maybe? Like 12. Yeah. I just didn't really know where. where it was going. It was just unnecessary.

It was the first time where I was like, I really just didn't need that, that J-vers. And that's never happened before. Well, I mean, then that's okay. I think that this was a different type of sound, a different type of, first of what we haven't, I don't remember the last time we even heard DiAngelo. Oh, this was more than a 12. It just felt like. No, it was just, yeah, the cadence was weird. It sounded spoken wordy. Which I would have been fine with if he delivered better.

In complete thought. I don't find spoken word. Yeah. It was like random sporadic thoughts. Yeah. It was more couplet base rather than a cohesive first. He just threw out that was just like his thoughts in his head and he just kind of threw them out there on the beat. So it was it was unorthodox.

It was very unorthodox. But even to Rory's point, because when we came in Friday, we were talking about it when the official whole song came out, we were like, okay, the leak was the full verse. So we were out of the impression, okay, this is the league. This is like the pre-verse mumble, like talks through the talk. the talk through, what am I going to say on this verse before I really get into it? And then we came out and we heard it. We're like, oh, no, this is. That was the verse. That's it. The next seven minutes is DeAngel, which is great. But that was the verse. There's no, okay, I've found this.

Let me really lock in and give you. Because I also am like against the God did versus cool. But I'm against the whole like cut the beat on and let him go for 64 bars. Like, we don't need to do that every time. He could have just done like a cool 16 or like 32. Now it would have been dope like after this. But, I mean, it just didn't. If you're going to do a 10 minute song, that's where I'm saying it felt pointless. Yeah. Yeah. If this was a four minute song, you wanted to get that Jay and DiAngelo moment and this filled up a minute of the song, I'd still be disappointed in the verse, but I would see the purpose of it. If you have 10 minutes and then just randomly throw this in the middle, it's like, if you're going to do 10 minutes, let Jay-Z really

do something here. Yeah. But definitely was unorthodox. Definitely wasn't expecting that type of flow and that type of cadence. But the overall soundtrack is really good, though. And especially in the flow of the movie, in the scenes that they use, certain songs, really well put together. But James is, you know, he's hands on with everything. He's a producer, director, writer, artist. Like, he's hands on with everything.

So he has his vision in his mind. And I think he did a great job at putting his vision out to everybody. And, again, we should support it. So if you haven't seen Book of Clarence, go check it out. Go support it. Shout out to James Samuel on another great job. I'll tell a very quick story. I think I was in the studio the same time this was cut or was being mixed.

In October, you guys remember when I blocked out a whole week to start on the second album? So I was at Flux Studio. Shout out to Flux. Love that place. And again, I have no, De Angell could have cut this in Australia. I have no idea if what I'm saying is accurate. But in the basement of Flux, there's two studios. I was in one, the other one was closed, and there's like a water cooler.

area in between. So I was going back to get water or use a bathroom. You was trying to hear what they were working. And it was right next to the studio and it was like, is that DeAngelo? So then you had to go to the bathroom seven times. Then I went back into the studio and I told Yanni Child that was like, I think DiAngelo's next door. And he was like, come on, shut up.

So we both kept walking back and forth. I started pulling out Shazam because I was like, maybe this like, this, I don't know this DeAngelo song. And I know it's catalog pretty fucking. well. Wasn't popping up on Shazam. Like, this is weird. Then another engineer came.

And I was like, I don't want to be that guy, but like, is DeAngelo in there? He's like, they're doing something. He's not in there, but they're doing something. Then I went back in the studio and another engineer came and said, hey, can you guys not go over there again? Oh, yeah, that was definitely. That was definitely Rory going over there too many times.

And then had his phone like this at the door. Or he dropped the mic under the door. I was smoother with it than that. You had your ear pressed on the door. What you got to? to understand. Like, when you're in studio, sometimes you'll walk down the hall and just tear shit. Like, oh, wow, that's cool. When you hear a DeAngelo song,

you stop. Like, what the fuck is going on in there? Well, he's one of those artists. You definitely, if he's in the studio while you're in the studio, it's kind of like, oh, shit. And I don't know if it would, I can't really remember the song because this was in October. But I can't think of anything else DeAngelo's put out recently.

Or maybe something that he has that's coming. Pause. And it does make sense, because they were working on one record for like six hours. And now it makes sense if it was 10 minutes that they were mixing 10 minute record. They mix it down from six hours to 10 minutes. Crazy. Yeah.

But I don't, that story doesn't matter too much. But it just made things full circle for Yanni and I. Because the whole time we were bragging to people that we were next to a DeAngelo session. You said you did a DeAngelo session. No, he texted me and told me. You said you did the drums on the fifth minute. You know, Rory, if DeAngelo was there,

Roy was like, yo, I got this track that'll be... I would, of course I would do that. Why wouldn't I? If I was in a session with DeAngelo, I don't think I would play any of my beats? No, no, not if you were in a session with him. If you happened to be in a studio

and DeAngelo was in another room recording, hey, you saw DeAngelo, like, you would definitely be like, yo, I got this. If I wasn't in the middle of actually recording and I felt like it was a downtime, of course I would. Why wouldn't you do that? That's crazy. That's not crazy.

How is that crazy? If you do it in a respect for him, I'm not going to, if he's in middle of writing or listening to some show you like, yo, you want to listen to some beats? Like, I wouldn't do that. But if there was some downtime, I would introduce myself and check the temperature. Well, I think it beats trash. That's why he's saying it's disrespectful. That's fine.

No, I'm not saying it's a certain level. No, it's just a certain level. It's a certain, it's like artist etiquette. I'm just not at the level. No, if it's your first time meeting DeAngelo, no, you should absolutely not pitch a beat on. I just don't think that. If I thought there was a world where I would maybe meet DeAngelo again or we would form some type of relationship, no, I would not out the gate be like, yo, listen to some stuff.

But DeAngelo is DeAngelo, bro. If he was at Flux that day, I'm sure he disappeared to Antarctica the next day. I'm going to shoot my shot because I don't think I'm going to build a relationship with DeAngelo later on or run into it. Like, hey, you remember me? At Flux last year? How about you listening to some beats now? No, I mean, listen, I'm never mad at anybody. especially like if you're a recording artist.

I'm never mad at you, if you bump into the artist that you, you know, you like or that you would love to work with. Never mad at somebody trying to like shoot their shot or get their, get an opportunity to work with that artist. Me personally, I just feel like if it's my first time ever meeting that artist, I'm never pitching anything to them. I'm not doing it. Because it's just like, yo, this person like, especially an artist like DiAngelo.

He's not, he doesn't just. work with any and everybody. Like, even if your music is great. I mean, he produced, if it's not the Silquarian's like, but this is what I'm saying. So even an artist like that is more so like, yo, I'm just here to listen and learn, whatever from this conversation, take from this conversation. I'm not trying to work with him and it's the first time or pitching something and it's

my first time meeting this artist. I would never do that because especially an artist like DeAngeli, he's nine times out of 10, one, he's probably going to be pissed that you even did that. or he's not going to do the record. So it's like, now you're in the space of you look awkward. It's awkward now. The energy is just weird now because you know he's like,

he wasn't receptive to it because he's that type of artist. Like he's not here for that. He doesn't even know you. He's not going to work with you. He don't know you. But when's the right time? Because we've seen so many stories in hip hop of the younger artists running into their idol and they do a quick whatever.

And then they're like, okay, like, I like that or like send me something. Like that, like Big Sean and Kanye. know who you're pitching to. DeAngelo is not somebody that's just jumping on anybody's record. That's not happening. Of course not. No. But I also don't think there's a world where there would be a relationship later where...

You don't know that. You don't know that. You just put out... Listen, you just put out a phenomenal first record, right? First album, right? You keep doing your thing. You keep building your career. DeAngelo finds you now.

But I think the first time that you meet DeAngelo, you should not pitch a record to him. No, I don't think that's... Not DeAngelo. That's like pitching a beat to Andre 3,000. He's not cutting that. You know that's not happening. That's not happening. I did that.

The Hip Boy, Nas session, which I've told that story when I walked in. I didn't know Nas. I was like, what the fuck? It was just me, Hit Boy and Nas in a fucking studio. I play beats. Yeah, but, okay, did anybody cut it cut to the beat? No, Nass was leaving. That's why I was meeting with Hip Boy and they were finishing up a session.

Nas was about to leave and hung out for a little bit. And they played me, I think that was King's Disease 2 around that time. Yeah, whatever. They played me some stuff. And then as Nas was, you know, getting ready to leave, whatever, hit boy just passed me the auxiliary. I started playing shit. I played a great mob deep flip that he loved.

Like, it didn't amount to anything, but I'm not going to take that chance. If Nas is next to speakers and I have an auxiliary cord to not play him something, I just think it's more about knowing who the artist is. I agree. And I think that goes across life. Like a $100,000, never play a beat for him. He's not going to do shit to it.

I don't know if that's entirely true. What? He didn't lay beats. He made beats that he didn't rap on just now. He is not even rapping on his own shit. So? Yeah, but to Rory's probably, I still think there's value. And I don't think the expectation is I played him something.

Therefore, we're going to have a record together. It's just why not just take advantage of that moment. and just play something. Why, like, why? I'd rather, I'd rather, I'd rather, I'd rather just have a conversation with certain artists. I don't need to play any music. I would rather have a conversation, talk to you, learn from,

hear something, we develop a type of, like, that's what I would rather do. But you're like, you're leaning into, like, the development of a rapport. These instances don't come about ever. Certainly not in a repeating way. So, like, Rory can't be like, all right, I'm in the studio sharing a wall with DeAngelo.

I'll catch him on the next one. Like, I wouldn't, No, so you keep going to the water because, like, there's no fucking way DeAngelo's in. But you keep Angelo's in. You keep saying catch him on the next one, though. I'm not talking about like that. I'm just saying, like, it's certain artists that you just know, like, bro, I wouldn't, I'm not going to. This is my first time ever seeing this artist in real life.

If we have a conversation, great. But I'm not going to push it and then be like, yo, I also produce and make beats. But I don't think Rory would do that in an awkward. like, DM the sound, your sound cloud link to my, like, I don't,

Rory doesn't give me that. Like he's going to, if the opportunity presents itself in an authentic way, he'll do it. I don't think he's just awkward to say, oh, you're in there making music,

hold on, like listen to my beats. Like, no. The, that would only come if they are already having a conversation where he felt comfortable enough to do that. I think Rory's pretty good at reading the room in that way.

And I would, if I would introduce myself to start to check the temperature. And if for some reason, he seemed like, in a warm mood and had some idea of podcast, well, there's any cool conversation we could have to connect dots, I would 100% say, hey, do you have like five minutes?

You want to hear what we're working on next door? I would ask something like that. I wouldn't be like, yo, listen to my fucking beats. I would ease into it. I know you wouldn't say it like that. I wouldn't treat it like the Spotify dinner. See, I'm just, I just feel like through conversation, if that's meant to be, it just happened through conversation.

Like, if we're conversing and I'm like, yeah, now I'm next door, you know, I write, produced, da-da-da-da. And DeAngelo says, oh, let me hear what y'all doing. Then cool. But I'm not going to be like, yo, you got five minutes. Like, I want to play, like, okay, but I'm just not, I'm certain people, I'm definitely never doing that. And we can close, but I will say that in a nice situation, it wasn't awkward. Personally, just for my own sake of bucketless shit, know that I played Nas beats and he enjoyed them. Like, even if he was faking, he was great at it. That's still cool with me. And the amount of times,

I've gotten a response from an artist that said, damn, I had no idea we should work, as opposed to the one time with Nas that nothing happened, I'm always going to go with the times it's worked. I've gotten the response, damn, bro, I had no idea way more times than I'd had someone listen to something, leave, and never hit me again.

Well, listen, at the end of the day, my brother, you got to do what works for you, right? Who would you play beats for first, most deaf or Drake? Drake. You're not hip-hop. I am hip-hop. That's fucking crazy.

I'm very hip-hop. I just know Moose Def probably ain't going to do nothing with it. He's going to disappear for another seven years. Fucking playing beats for Moose for him. He probably won't lay to it. Drake can probably put at least, he may use it. He's putting out two albums a year. Well, let's get everyone up to speed.

For those that don't know, on Saturday afternoon, the internet was set of fire. Hipop, Twitter, was in a frenzy. Most Def, aka Yassim Bay, went on the cutting room floor, which is a great platform. to them and was asked if he considers Drake to be hip hop.

Hey Jack and my is it hip hop shit. That's all I'm saying. No. This has nothing to do with sexuality. Yeah, this had nothing to do. This was purely a real music question. It had nothing to do with shopping either. Well, let's see. Let's listen to what Yassine had to say.

I mean, points for me. That's all I'm saying. Can we listen to audio? Yeah, let's check it out. Okay. I didn't listen to me. Drake is pop to me. In the sense, like, I was in Target in Houston and I heard a Drake song. It feels like a lot of his music is compatible with shopping.

Commercial music. Or it's, you know, shopping with the edge. That's crazy. Fair. I like Drake's music, but I understand exactly what you're saying. Of course. I mean, I get it. It's commercial, entertaining, fun, good formulaic music. It's likable. Likeable music, yeah.

It's likable. But see, this is not, but see, this is a very, you know, Yassine is hip hop, like, to the core. Like, he's hip hop. Of course, yeah. So asking somebody like him is Drake, who is obviously who raps, who makes hip-hop music, who makes pop music, popular music. So asking Yassine is Drake hip-hop? It's like, that's like asking, you know, is asking Henry Ford, whoever made the Ford car is a Tesla car.

It's kind of like, it's a car, but it's not. You know what I mean? It's like, where's the- It doesn't burn fossil fuels. Yeah, it's like, but where's- It doesn't put a hole in the ozone. Yeah, like, you know, you want that, that, that original, that, that core. So, I mean, yes, Drake is, Drake, to me, Drake is hip-hop, but Drake is more than just

hip-hop. He's a, he makes pop music. He makes R&B music. He makes, you know, Afro beats. He makes, he, Drake is just one of those artists that touches many different genres, many different parts of the world. So it's not, Drake is hip-hop. I would, I would say. He is hip-hop, but he's more than just hip-hop. He's hip-hop and pop. He's not just hip-h-h- And he's, he's everything. And very few artists are like that. So before I get, To my point that I want to make, I want to ask, was this hating? Was most deaf hating? I'm not going to say hating.

I'm going to say that this was just somebody who, to his core, is a hip-hop head. And I think that he's always going to push hip-hop first. And I think that, you know, it wasn't hating, but it was like, that's not the hip-hop that we know and that we push and that we, you know, stand for, but, you know, he makes good music. The initial comment wasn't hating because... It was hate. It was funny hate. The initial comment wasn't because Drake is pop. I think there's more that we said.

He is also hip-hits also all these other things. That's, you know that's not what most... The hate is the extra, the shopping shit. It was so extra. The dig about if I'm in the target in Houston, that's the hate. He's not, Roy. Drake is pop. And I know... He's more than Drake is an anomaly, bro. He's more than all of that shit.

Like, I'm pretty sure if, you know, if Drake wanted to just rap every album, he can do that. He can make rap songs. He can make hip-hop records. But he realizes that his fan base calls for different sounds. It calls for different type of music because his reach and his platform is so vast and goes around the world twice that he has different audiences that he has to try to. you know, please on each project. So it's like, yeah, he's not just hip hop.

He's not, you're never going to see Drake, you know, walking down the street and see a cipher and jump in the cipher and start giving. You might not see that. That's how he started, though. We know for a fact Drake is a hip-hop nerd, and I mean that as a compliment. Comeback season is rapping over fucking Kanye West Soul Beats and Dilla beats. We know that Drake loves hip-hop. I could even make a fucking case that his first single,

that got him out, best I ever had, is a Boombap record if you really want to get down to it. I know people would disagree with me. It has, it derives from boom. Yeah, that beat. It's, it's a pop song as far as the hook. Best I ever had. That's, that beat derives from Boombap. But, and we know Drake is Boombap and that's where he comes from. Yassine is obviously entitled to his opinion. And when I said it was funny hate, he took it a little further. Then someone brought up that old screenshot of when Drake put out his poetry book and I said, okay, I take it back as far as hate. It's warranted hate.

Yassine was holding on to this. Drake DM'd Complex, I believe it was, when they did the piece where like models were reading Drake's poetry shit. Yeah. So he reached out and said, can you do an article now where the baddest Instagram girls in the world review my poetry book, not the head of the most deaf fan club,

thanks laughing emoji Yassina's allowed to hate it was hate but he's allowed to hate He threw an unnecessary shot at me for no fucking reason I don't think it's hate though I don't think it's hate because I don't think it's a little joke It's a dig somebody somebody could take that personally No you yeah but then you talk about somebody that's just being overly sensitive

Because like I understand that is hip hop I understand what Drake is saying in that right there Hip hop is extremely sensitive Well artists no no not just hip hop artists are yeah Hip-hop in particular. It's just, you know, that's a dig. It's like, you know, of course we don't expect those type of girls to understand this coffee table book that I put out or to understand just the joke behind it. Like, I get it.

But like, that's if you're talking to that type of person. Can you talk to the type of person that this was intended for? So I understand that. So why he used most deaf's name. But any artist's name that he would have put there, it's a dig. But just leave me alone. I don't bother anyone. Why are you trying to bring me into your joke?

No, but the reason why I can't say that's hate is because I, well, from what I, from what I know, I'm just an outside looking at. I don't think that Drake has any hate for most death unless he asks for a verse and most never sent it or a record that, you know, he wanted to do it most. And most said, no, maybe something that we don't know about. But just from the outside looking in, I don't see why it would be hate. Now, dig and a shot is, you know, that's different. I say all that to say, Drake towards the latter part of his career has started to insult. the fan base in which he comes from. He is hip-hop and started out Boombap.

We know his favorite. His favorite rapper is Fonte. We know what Drake was listening to growing up. Lately, anytime someone has brought up any digs towards for all the dogs, he always resorts back to people that like the type of hip-hop that is a Yassin Bey, that we're losers. We don't go outside. We don't get women.

and he is now making fun of the community in which he comes from and who he really is. So I can see why most would look at that and be like, my fan base is who you want to take the dig at? Hmm. You're making a mockery of what you come from. Now, the point I wanted to make on the flip coin of that, most stuff is sort has a hand in the responsibility of why Drake is a pop star now. Nobody championed Kanye West more than most deaf.

He said at the first deaf poetry jam, I want to introduce to you the future of hip hop, Kanye West. That was before college dropout came up. Nobody championed Kanye more than most. Kanye is the reason Drake is a pop star. He has said that. We had never seen the real rap pop star until Kanye West. That was the crossover.

Stronger was the crossover. Drake and Kanye are extremely similar in their career paths. Kanye is the reason that Drake is a pop star? Yes. That's too much to give Kanye. I don't think it's... Drake has said on stage at OVOFest. This man is the reason I exist.

He said it in interviews. No, I'm not saying. And I mean that as a compliment. I love Kanye and Drake. He's a carbon copy of some... We talk about it all the time. Curtis versus Radford. was the day that the street shit took a backseat.

Yeah. And the quote unquote nerds took over. If that doesn't happen, Drake, I think admittedly would say he probably would not have the welcoming that he had because he's very much a Kanye West baby. And then 808s comes and we obviously know so far gone. We know that path. I don't need to explain that to people that have been around for a little bit. It starts with most. I think Kanye was comfortable singing in college dropout hooks because most was singing hooks.

most has been, in my opinion, one of the best rapper singers that we've had. He doesn't lean always into singing all the time, but he was definitely a blueprint for that mid-2000s crew, Chappelle Block Party, if you will, that class. Drake is their kid.

Most is the one that championed Kanye West when no one would before your brother did. I got, I would, I would, I could say that more for like a J. Cole. Like when you say Mose and Kanye and like, like, I think that Drake obviously was influenced by Kanye, loves Mose, Fonetail of those guys. It's just talent.

We're talking about just talented artists. But I think that, you know, Drake was going to be Drake no matter what. Just his skill set and his artistry is just. Outside of Lauren Hill, I don't think we've seen a rapper turn pop before Kanye. And when I say that, we've had rappers make rap songs that go pop. But Kanye West, who is a rapper and who is hip hop, to me, was the first mainstream artist to pop making elements of hip hop.

But it's not really hip hop. Stronger with a daft punk thing. He's rapping on that shit. Don't get me wrong. But that's not a rap song. That's a pop song. Kanye was the one that commercialized that and made that happen. And that's how we have a Drake as well.

we had never really seen that before. We had seen rap songs go pop. We had not seen rappers make pop music. Kanye made pop music by graduation. Yeah, because on graduation, he said a lot of the impetus of that album, he's like, I want to make stadium music. I want to make music. He said, I'm inspired by cold play.

I'm inspired by big room music, whether it be electronic or alternative rock. He said, I want to make songs where when we're playing these at arenas, the whole crowd knows the cue to join in at certain points just like at a rock show. And so he kind of, to Rory's point, neglected the elements of hip hop where it's a lot of head nodding and watching. And he was like, I want more participation. In comes like the strongest, the bigger hooks, the punchlines. Yeah. And because of the success of that, Drake could comfortably go down that lane and be like, okay, this is working. He doesn't have to be the person to pave it. He just either be the person that follows something that's already trending in that

direction. Yeah, and that's not to take away anything that Drake has done. He said on record before that it was Kanye that laid this path down for me. And I know people can be in the comments bringing up like Jay Z. Lincoln Park and all like, we've never seen a rapper go pop before Kanye West. And I'm saying most, and maybe I'm reaching a bit here and I'm thinking way too hard into it. I think it was a bit of a hypocritical statement by putting the tone on that because I give him so much. much credit for producing the first pop rapper, which is Kanye West. You're giving that to Mo's Duh.

I think he was a, him and Kwali were a very intricate part to Kanye becoming a rapper. Because as we've, you know, we've all heard last call. Your brothers just, they wanted the beats. They eventually was there, but that's not true. But, okay. I know. I'm adding a little sauce to it just because you're sitting next to him. Those are your brothers.

But he was not taken seriously as a rapper. Most in quality were the ones like, no, we like your raps. Well, I mean, yo, come open for us. A lot of the labels and things like that, you know,

because Kanye was producing for a lot of people. And then, you know, he was telling people, well, you know, I got the hook already on there. And then once he started playing the beats at the hook, they was like, oh, that's you.

Like, he's like, yeah, rap, what, too. And that's how people started paying attention. But it wasn't until Dane, you know, they started. Or like even if you watched in the, is it EZus? Oh, the doc.

Jesus. Yeah. Genius, genius. If you look at that point, Mos brings Kanye West out at Irving Plaza and introduce him as this is the guy that made the H to the Iso beat. Mm-hmm. Nobody was taking him serious as a rapper. And Mos was like, he's going to freestyle for a second.

This was in the middle. And you know how crazy Black Star was at that time. Yeah. Yeah, who else was giving him looks? He was putting him on deaf poetry jam before anything. Most was the one and Kwali as well that champion Kanye West to become a rapper, not just a beatmaker in the public eye.

I'm not saying there wasn't people behind the scenes, like, bro, I like your raps or Scarface. Like, no, you're dope. I'll give you a swap for reverse if you can give me this beat. Not saying that wasn't it, but most was the first person that I feel championed Kanye West from the rap side. I mean, those guys

because those were the guys that he was with, he was hanging out with, he was popping up at their shows. They was letting him, like you said, get on the stage and things like that. So you're not wrong in that. Mosin, Tyler was definitely some of the few artists that embraced him early and gave him a platform to get his shit off for sure.

And I'm not saying Mosun knew that he was going to, well, even though I've heard Qualley and Yassim both say, like, they knew Kanye was going to be a superstar. I don't think they were like, he's going to become a pop star. that's what I was going to say where I'm like, Rory, you can't really blame him for that

because I don't think they knew the direction that he was going to go with it. I mean, but you have to see your involvement in what you champion. I don't put every last thing of Kanye West on Yassine. I just think it was interesting

to have that tone about a genre that you kind of helped create. Yeah. Like, that's all. My favorite part of this whole back and forth is the...

Rap Twitter? of the rap Twitter back and forth is the younger kids, younger fans that are unfamiliar with most deaf being able to see, oh, if this is a thing who is this guy and now they can go back and do the back catalog research. I spend most of my weekend listening to Most Def. I was like it felt like I was

in middle school again. It was super nostalgic. I'm just happy that these new kids can see probably more listening to his music now than ever. So for me, that's the win of this whole thing. And I was about to say that's, to me, a lot of the times when moments like this go viral, I'm cool with that because I

know what it's going to cause. It's going to cause people to want to go back and the kids that are nerds will look back. Like, you know, bring up old interviews and listen to some old records and things like that. So, I mean, you know, it's all part of the ecosystem of music and our culture at the end of the day, whether it comes from artists throwing to dig at each other, things like that, or a little bit of celebratory hate. You know, I think that it's a win no matter what. And I'm going to choose my words carefully because I want to, you know, y'all seems a private person. So the people that think

Yassine most deaf music scares the hose, you should do some research on Yassine's roster. That's all I'm saying. Who said his music scares the hose? Yeah, you know, that was the thing. Like when people were going back and forth all day Saturday, you know, like, scare the hose has become a term that I think replaced a lyrical miracle. Remember when we used to go, I want to hear that lyrical miracle shit. Now that term is scare the hose, which doesn't necessarily mean actually scaring promiscuous women. It's just going to turn for me. It just, it just, it just, it

It kills the vibe in the room, yeah. Y'all should do a little bit more research on Yassine's back catalog that's not music. I don't think he makes scares. Women loved. Yeah. Maybe scare the young hose. I mean, J.I.D. surround sound is, I mean, of course, it samples Aretha Franklin, but we know where he got that sample from and it was from Miss Fat Booty.

Yeah. I've seen that blend together and the host kept dancing. They definitely did. Miss Fat Booty is. Yeah, that's a positive hose like that. There was also a time But you don't like fat booty, so is it What are you talking? You literally said off camera

Right before we started recording I fuck skinny with it You literally said that What does that have to do with me saying You don't like that movie? I like fat with booty too It's not a- What is he talking about?

What does that have to do Now that you got the mic? No, no, now that you got the mic What does that have to do With me telling you that you don't like fat booze? I like fat booties Show me what you say I don't believe you

I like a fat ass Remember when he said about Roy's dad? No you don't Yeah but my dad actually likes fan ass Yeah, yeah. I like fat ass. No, I'm coming right at you.

Nah. Show me a girl with a fat ass that you ever fucked me. On Patreon, I will. Not right now. All right. I'll show you, God, come on. We're not doing that.

Can we actually not do that? I don't want them finding it. Well, they won't see. No, no, we're not sharing photos. We learned that mistake. I just want him to show me personally. I don't need to, nobody got to see that. I just want to see because, you know, your interpretation of fat booty might be like,

I like a- I like a- You pull one up really quickly that to not show and just text from your seat now. A photo. to more so he can just say yes or no. Nah, I got to you more. Just show it to Damaris. The Damaris going to let us know what's happening right now. But you already know it's going to be it.

No, no, show it to Damaris and she going to let us know what's happening right now. I don't even got to see it. That shit is fat. Say it. Julian. That's fat. Or is it just a fat girl? No, it's definitely not a fat girl. Yeah, it's definitely not a fat girl. You ain't never had it.

You ain't ever had 250 pounds alone. That's a big ass. We're not doing that. has a nice butt for her shape. It is not a fat ass. Ma. Okay. I'm telling y'all's not a fat ass. Ma. But you ain't never had 250 pounds of loving though. No, definitely not. I know, see? That's not fair.

He don't know what he missing. He didn't have 200 50 pounds. Broke my little frame, but it was worth it. I enjoyed it to ride. My hip ain't been the same, but fuck it. My pelvis was shattered. Yeah, yeah. It's all I loved. It was great. Were you fucked at 250-pound girl before? probably 200

20 I got more too she's small though yeah this ain't a fat this ain't a fat boo this ain't a fat boobie I don't know if I've hit a 250 but 220 yeah you never hit a 250 I don't

I didn't weigh her before I was just I'm just going on scale get off the scale you ain't never see a boxing fight where they didn't weigh in right you gotta weigh in before you go in there with that big girl you gotta get on the scale so I know what I'm doing I'm really trying to think because I don't I always I don't never

I don't know how much people weigh. I'm always grossly understiming. No, definitely not. No, I know that. See, scared you. Julian, how much do you think I weigh? I'm not going to do that. I really don't.

Like, you can't offend me. I'm telling you. I can look at Baby D. D. So I'm good at me. Baby Dia is solid. You are solid because I'm, you, you bow. I'm nervous too.

You about 168. Julian. Oh, I'm not answering this. Just go to. I promise you. I wouldn't, I had a joke, but I am not going to be offended. I would, sure, I'll do, I'll take a, I'll do less than mall. I'll say, 158.

I'll do 10 pounds less. First week sales predictions, but Damaris's weight. Yeah. 168. 171. What? I told you. Come on, yommie.

I can eye that eight ball sitting on the table. I don't know how many grams is right there. God damn. She looks like she weighs. 100 bricks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy. That's gonna be two trips right.

Well, you remember what the weight was of the 92 bricks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. When they were shipped. So that's how you gauge everything. DeMera said it's the proportion because like I, I weigh, I'm like six pounds more than Demaris. And I mean, it's like I'm significantly larger than Demaris. You're taller.

You're taller. But I just, I don't know. I guess I'm just, I'm fucked up. I don't know how I always base it off height, not like, but I don't know. I don't add in the hair gel. that weighs it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's some grams, yeah. What do you, what do you think, REL's weight is? REL about a smooth, a smooth, about 153. Mm-hmm.

Really? How do you know this so well? Down? Yeah, I got 48. 47, 147, 145. 145. Okay. All right.

Right there. But how tall are you? 5-7. 5-7, yeah. That's probably, that's probably good. It's a healthy weight. Yeah, that's like a good BMI.

Yeah, definitely. That's like what Europeans way, because there's not. Before I started lifting, I was 155, and I looked sick. And then I looked like the women. I threw on 20 pounds of muscle immediately. Shut up. All right. And I ain't going to lie, man.

I don't like the way most deaf started sounding like Sir Ben Kingsley towards the end of that. Like, where do you get that accent from? I know he's been out of America for a few years. But he started sounding like Sir Ben Kingsley at the end of that podcast a little. bit. I don't know. I mean, we've seen him do characters before. He's a great actor. That's what I'm saying. I can't take these guys because it's like, are you acting or are you for real right now? I think he was

executing a hilarious joke and put on that accent shopping. Yeah. You're going to me? It's like, what is this? So good. Actually, speaking of Drake, he doesn't make scare the hoe music, obviously.

Probably makes the greatest music for the hose. I just don't know who he's hanging out with at the club. Shouldn't it be the hose? Well, he does. Why is there little kids in the club with Drake? Not make... Relax. I'm not doing an Aaron Rogers thing here.

I'm not saying that whatsoever. And it's not just Drake. What's this young man's name? FNG. Young man. FNG, Lil King. So this kid is a rapper that just goes to the club with other rappers.

Well, don't be rude, Roy. It was his 11th birthday. So they were, you know, like most rappers, going to the club to celebrate a birthday. What's his name? F. G. Lil King. Well, happy birthday to F&G Little King. You don't mean that.

He's the big one-one. We're talking about him on his 11th birthday weekend. But you're like you're really excited about his birthday? Not excited. I'm just wishing him a happy birthday. But you found out about him just now. Well, yeah. I don't know who he is. I don't

follow him his music. Do you think he'd listen to my beats, Paul's? Definitely not. He don't look like you make the type of beats that F&G Little King would be So I don't make beats for DeAngelo. I don't make them for FTA. I never said you didn't make beats for DeAngelo.

I just said when and where you play a beat for DeAngelo is the difference. All right. So can you guys give me a little bit more backstory? Is this just the new viral moment? Who is this kid? It's just another thing that celebrities take a photo with him because it's the moment. Is he a little terrio? That's how old I am.

FNG King. I have a story about that. He's connected to Finesse two times. I don't know if you guys know who Finesse two times. That's his management team. He has two girls. two sisters pregnant at the same time, right? Does he?

Oh, swag. Good. This kid's in good hands. I don't know where his dick's been. Honestly. No, I mean, I think, no, Phenest two times is very open about that. Like, I think, I think he has sisters pregnant or he has two girlfriends. That's what the two stands for.

I mean, he's living. He's living in his art. He got to respect. He's living in his arts. But I do think he has either sisters or two girls pregnant, like, currently or something like that. Well, FNG King has a song that went viral. He has called Glorilla Mode. It came out seven months ago.

It has 4.4 million views on YouTube. And his latest one he dropped a month ago has 648,000 views. Okay. On YouTube. So he's not unpopular. No, no, he's popular. Amongst who, though? Amongst his peer?

Demographic. Amongst his demographic, amongst, you know, obviously he has 4 million views on this video. Like, he's popular. I mean, we know how that. As a former digital marketer, optics are one thing. You can fabricate everything. That's very true. This $4 million on YouTube means jack shit.

I don't know about me. I mean jack shit. I could get in one of our videos four million views tomorrow. And then they might take us off YouTube. I'm saying it's not weird. Like that happens when people buy views. Their fucking pages get taken down. Labels do it every week.

That's true. I mean, but then they just, you know, text Lehor on the side. Yeah. They'll take this one down. I was a little nervous to have this conversation because I didn't want to sound like the Debbie Downer and like ruining

all the fun. Because I feel like I do that a lot. And I don't know. We've seen a bunch of kids that are viral for the moment and it never works out well for them. Like it never helps their growth as going into adulthood.

Well, he's an artist. He's a rapper, right? Yes. So he's pretty big on YouTube, I'm assuming. So I mean, I guess he's just, you know, what's different from this than when, obviously, well, he's probably not as big as Bawa was at that time, but Bowah was in the clubs when he was 12.

Different time. 13. Also, I think Bowah would say that just did not help his overall life. Yeah, but still. You don't see this as like grooming in a sense? It is. But again, it's, you know, if that's the music that he's making, then he's right on par.

I don't see it as grooming. I think it's taking advantage of a moment that is only going to affect that kid in a negative way and no one else. Yeah. That's how I view. And that's why I want to be the Debbie Downer here, but this is fucked up.

Yeah. This video isn't going to affect Drake or change Drake's lifestyle or perception on women at all. This kid is going to be the one catching all the, yeah, the trauma from that. Then I was scared that I'm now going to go down the gender path.

Because we'd all be up in arms, rightfully so, if they had an 11-year-old girl in the club dancing with female rappers. But because it's a boy, we don't give a fuck. And this is going to possibly ruin his life and his perception on women, nightlife, just everything in general, materialism.

But because it's a little boy, we don't give a fuck. Well, I mean, we'd be up in arms if this was a little girl, as we should be. But we should also be up in arms of how this could be extremely harming to a young boy. And I'm sorry that I'm the Debbie Downer of this topic because I know it's just fun, viral stuff

and little kids rap with money. like why we're here to talk about real shit we're here to talk about real shit so yeah i don't know i watched little terrio be in a hotel lobby after trelectro in 2013 2012 whenever it was a whole group of adults at 3 a.m surrounding little terrio with their cameras out trying to get him to do the dance then it's 3 a.m. And this kid is like, what are y'all doing? Yeah. This is not healthy for a developing brain.

But when we sat down with J.D. and Bow Wow, that was one of the things we asked bow wow. Do we think that, you know, that part of his life, him being in the clubs and being around women and having access to all these women at that young of an age, did it affect him in, you know, his adulthood? And he said absolutely it did. There's no doubt about it that it definitely affected him in a negative way when it came to his relationships with women as an adult.

I think that this is some of the same. I mean, I think he's around. He's in the strip club. It looks like he's in a strip club, throwing money. He's around. So at 11 years old, doing that, you start to, you know, at a young age, look at women very differently. You start to have interactions with your peers differently.

So at his age group, because, you know, at 11 years old, you're hanging out with Drake and little baby and all these guys, like, you know, what does that do when you go, if he's even in school, I don't know, if you go to school. I don't know. If you go to school now, like, how do you act with, you know, your peers and your school? And we've, and that's why I do give Bow Wow a lot of credit for coming out relatively sane. Like, because we've seen plenty of child stars. Oh, yeah. It goes bad. Go off the fucking rocker. It goes bad.

And while this kid is not a child star, if you look at like the McCulley, Coke, and Drew Barrymore, list goes on of child stars that did just stay in the business and continue on, we saw that they got fucked up, but they were always still in the spotlight somehow. This kid, and I'm sorry if I'm hating on an 11-year-olds, there's a high possibility that this is just a moment thing. So who's going to explain to 11-year-old when nobody cares about the viral moment anymore? When you turn 13. It's already damaging to have a kid in the spotlight as we've seen.

But those kids at least maintained a success level and an attention level while they were hooked on drugs and fucking up their life. what happens when this passes? Who's explaining to when he turns 12 and Little Baby doesn't reply to his DM? Sorry if I'm putting this on people on their jacket. But when Drake doesn't reply to his DMs, when all the people that wanted to take pictures with him and use this moment no longer care

and when he goes to the club and the bouncer says you're 12 years old, you can't come in because you're not, this isn't a thing anymore. Who's going to explain to that 12 year old why nobody is paying attention to him anymore? But what if he grows? What if he continues to have a flourishing? I hope that happened.

But what sucks is now... I'm just going off the basis of viral moments and how long they usually last. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. And that's why I was scared to talk about this because I'm sounding like a Debbie Downer hater. That's okay.

No, you sound like an adult. No, you're right. Because he's a victim of... You changed that you had a kid. I'm going to tell you that. At a bad way? No. I think to Roy's point,

he's a victim of the people that he's... The people that are controlling his likeness in his career, like his life is in... their hands. So he's a victim of how they want to push him and how well they can push him and how he's publicly perceived. So like we know in the music business, it's a revolving door. This will run its course and either they find a younger, not a younger, they're not going to whatever. They find another artist that's even hotter and they'll divert and put all their attention into that. And like most artists, you get benched or you're no longer the priority. Like that's going to happen.

It's going to happen at some point with this kid. He will no longer be the face that they're pushing. then it's okay now what when you have to be alone and when you're not the hottest thing in the club but also you're not in your 20s you're a child right that's gonna it's just it's you're setting this kid up for long time again we're speaking if if he absolutely has no career no longstanding career we know how this industry works i mean but now more than ever yeah it is fly about night yeah it's like it's over pretty quickly for a lot of people not everyone has the her story where they put her out at 13 as Gabby Wilson and it didn't work out

and then she came back as an adult. Rarely fucking happen. And I hope I'm not wishing anything ill on Little King. Actually, it's the opposite. I really hope he has a good support system and family around him because I don't care if you're 11, 21, 40. This is the worst business as far as maintaining.

It is. And it fucks up. 30-year-olds. Imagine how it could fuck up an 11-year-old. That's all I'm really getting at. And not to go back to most deaf, but the last part that no one really talking about, what happens when the empire crumbles?

What happens when the values of everything that we're talking about in the music destroys the genre that we have? Obviously, this is an extremely small portion of it, but it's part of a crumbling empire when we're having 11-year-olds in the club with rappers and chains and money. And like, I can't speak.

And I sound like a Debbie. I like, I like ignorant music too. I like ignorant shit. But the, when there's no balance. Yeah. Yeah. What's the messaging here? Listen, I'm guilty, man.

I clubbed with Bow Wow when he was like 12, 13. Give you were like 16. Yeah, you were both illegally. I was like 18, 19. I was like 19, I think. Think he might have been 12, 13. I may have been like 18, 19. Paint a picture for us.

It was an All Star Weekend. That's sick. DC 2001. I think it was DC All-Star Weekend. Ooh, I know it was going crazy up in there. Oh, man. It was a time. It was a time to be alive.

Pre-9-11? Yeah, because this was February. That would be the top. And this is probably right after they wrapped shooting like Mike, because like Mike came out in 2002. I don't know, but I know. Listen, I was with my brother, Jay. You know, Jay, this is some star.

God bless, Leah was with us. So it was a, when Bow Wow, I walked in, though, Superstar. It was like. Yo, it was grown women going, and I'm just like, yo, shorthy's like 12. It's Calvin Coolidge. But, you know, he was

with JD, and you know, they walked in the club. But yeah, so I'm guilty. I party with a 12-year-old, man. You passed him a bottle? No, see, de Marri. I was just asking. No, I did not. I did not pass Little Bow Wow, a 12-year-old bow-wow

bottle. Or his baby bottle. But you could imagine that there was probably a very irresponsible person. No, he was with, My family was passing me that... Yeah. At family parties. No, no, no.

So I'm not judging anyone. At a club, I know somebody passed Little Bow Wow. I could only vouch... They passed it to me. Yeah, but that's an Irish, like, way of passage. Yeah. I'm talking about just that... I'm only speaking on that night in the club.

Westanians do it too. In D.C. That's true. I think it was Zanzibar. Might have been the name of the club. You're looking. I was 11. This is 20 years ago.

Zanzabar. I think that was a name of the club, whatever it was. Hells he was with J.D. And they had him like, He was just in the section with them, just chilling. Like, he wasn't drinking anything like that, but he was there with them. And I remember the panimonium that he definitely caused when everybody saw that bow wow. I was there.

And I'm just like, that's crazy. That's 12 years old. And I was young. I was like only 18, 19. And I wasn't 21 legal to be in the club. But seeing a 12-year-old bow wow walking the club and how people reacted to him and then obviously seeing a career he had beyond that and after that. I mean, he's one of the success stories that we could talk about. But even him.

He said it with us and how it definitely affected him and changed his life and his relationship woman for sure. Having that success early and having access to women that early definitely changed his view and his energy with women. Why you ain't bring that up? Like, why you ain't bring up bow? Remember you was in the club with me? Like, when we did our interview. You think I would do that?

You think I'm that type of name. No, but you could have brought, not like brought it up like you remember me. You were like 2001. You were like, 2001. You don't remember me? Allso weekend, 01 was crazy. I was joking when I said that but I do think that in our interview

that would have been something funny to bring up. Yeah, it would have been funny. He didn't even remember when we was in the strip club together like a month before that. I was like, he's like, yo, why y'all ain't called me? I'm like, yo, you were standing right there, fan. You was there. He was like, oh.

Like, yo, 2001, D.C. All-Star. He was 12. You don't remember me? Also, like 15 minutes before that, he screamed, I'm going to take a million dollars out cash. And we went out to the strip club, yeah. hilarious classic shit but I don't know I mean

Man happy birthday little king Yeah happy fuck all that Turned up When all the grown women Started screaming when Bow Wow came in Like did you hate a little bit Nah Yeah you were

You were like he's like four six That's a little kid man Yeah Can't even dunk Said that was CGI I'm gonna tell you have some funny Send y'all bottles You know who was outside our hotel

That was getting off his tour bus For like 15 girls Trying to run on his tour bus Carrie Kittles. Little Romeo. R. Kelly. Oh, well. Fucked y'all up, right?

Were they running on the bus at their will? Or was he like, get on the bus. Oh, no, they was lined up for the R. 2001, they was still an R. Like, he ain't have all the shit he had on his name now. Actually, he did. Now, I think, that, that tape was out. That tape was out after that,

but we kind of, like, kicked that under the rug. That was a promo run. Yeah, but nah, they was outside his tour bus, trying to get all his tour bus for sure. I remember that. I mean, even at the court hearings, he had him lined up. Wait, you clubbed with R. Kelly? Yeah.

This is the early 2000s, man. Don't put that on my jacket, man. No, I'm not saying you should have had the hindsight. This is All Star Week. This is D.C. Chocolate City. All Star Week. Everybody was there. Are you kidding me?

Finally, Mall, you are opening up with stories from that time period when we were all extremely young. Because I try to pry these stories out of you. I'm a nerd that idolized y'all. as a kid, I want to hear the stories, but you keep them to yourself and it bothers me. I mean, I only keep it to myself because it's, I mean, it's one of those. When you was there in the moment, it was, it was cool. But it's a lot of stories, man.

It's a lot of stories. But that was one though. All Kelly, like being outside the hotel was hilarious. And I, but I remember everybody was like, yo, it's about 30 girls trying to get on his bus. Do you have any great hove clubbing stories or anything? One, uh. To help a nerd like me out? Remember the first time, the first time I actually drove,

like the first time I actually drove, like, night time on the highway in Manhattan was a night that, uh, me, uh, Biggs, Jay and Tata went to the club. Went to, uh, I think it was Cheetahs. That's a nasty crew. What a crew. Yeah. How old work, were you with this, though? Uh, might have been like, I'm right.

Around the same age, 18, 19. Okay. Might have been like 18, I think. I definitely was like, I think I was just out of high school. So, like, maybe 18. So you were asking them like, yo, when we pull up, let me drive. No. No, no, no, no, no.

Let them know what I'm working with. Put it in neutral. It was a total opposite. Like, I definitely did two laps around. Total opposite. I wasn't even driving. I wasn't even driving at that point yet. I mean, I knew how to drive, but I hadn't, like, driven by myself, like, in a car at that point yet.

I'm also going to assume that Jay probably had a car. It wasn't a Honda, which is a little easier to drive for the first time. No. I still have trouble driving like a Mayback. Yeah, no, this was, this was, we was chilling. I think, I think we was just chilling at the crib. And, damn, looking back, because Jay, my brother, they was young. He was only like 33 or something like that.

So that was like, yeah, that was like them wanting to be out all the time. But we went to, we went to a club. somebody's having a party, it's like, we're going to the club. Go to the club. So Jay had, he had, he had, he had Puffs, he had Puffs, he had Puff's Bentley. I think Puff had, gave him his car for the week. Puff was like out of town or something like that. And so then my brother was like, yo, I'm going to take your Bentley.

So I remember we had, it was back to back Bentley. We're going down to West Side. I'm like, the niggas on a block. I ain't going to never believe this shit. We're going down the West Side Highway. Baby Blue Bentley. I think Puffs Bentley was darker blue. I think Jay's Bentley was like baby blue or something like that.

Or it might have been reversed. We drive and so we pull up to the club. There's a bunch of people outside. I mean, it was lit. This was like, nobody had camera phones. So it was like, if you wasn't on that block, you ain't see the movie. That's just how it was. It was like, if you ain't outside, you didn't see the movie.

They were like, oh, my God, it's small. Now, I'm young. Yeah, right. I'm young. So I'm just like, nigga, I'm in, all of this shit is just like, yo, like, I'm not you supposed to be. I'm not you supposed to be here. You definitely told a girl, you got to give me your number before you could talk to Jay. You were one of those guys.

No, but I was, because this was the time, this was the time before it was, before the whole club was VIP, before the whole club was table, uh, bottle section. Before you guys ruined that. Before you're growing nightlife? It was like, so if you want to, if you want to come over here, I was like, I had to go out and, you know, find the girls. So it was like, all right, cool. So I'm young.

I'm like, fuck, whatever y'all want me to do just to hang out with y'all, I'm doing it. Going to club, bring some girls back to the, to the section, whatever. They got so twisted, right? So I'm like, I'm looking around. They're like, yo, who's going to drive? So my brother, like, Biggs, like, yo, I can't fucking. I'm twist. He's like, yo, you know how to drive.

Fucking, you got to drive. I'm fucked up. So at first it's cool because you coming out of it. It was the parking lot. The parking lot was right across the street from the club. So it's like, all right, it's cool right here. But mind you, I never got on the highway. Then I got Jay's this fucking big ass Bentley.

Like, I'm like, oh, man, like, I'm a fucking crash this shit. 100%. Were you driving Jay or Puffs? No, Jay's car. Okay. So we learned to drive in a Bentley. Yeah. No, I didn't learn how to drive, but it was still like, you know.

At night on the highway. Yeah, I'm just like, yo. And it's like, you know, people drunk. I'm just like, oh, so I'm nervous. I'm like, God, I'm going to end up crashing this shit. So we pull out the lot or whatever. So now I'm kind of, you know, I'm feeling myself because it's like I'm just, I'm driving, but we ain't really going nowhere because the block is packed that the club is on.

As soon as we turned around, because it was right there by, I want to say, Howston, I think that's what Club Cheater is, right there in that area. So soon we came around to get back on the West Side Highway to go back to Jersey, I start shitting bricks. I'm like, yo, dog. Like, I hope. Ninety-two of them. Yeah, like, 92 bricks. Yeah. I'm like, yo, like, what the fuck?

But, you know, I did the speed limit. Jay was like, yo, listen, just stay behind me. That's all you got to do. Just stay behind me. We're just going, I was like, I bet. So we literally might have dead. about 60 up the west side highway. Twisted though.

Like them niggas was twisted. But that was the first time I remember driving like leaving the club young. I ain't supposed to be behind this wheel. I was drinking. Like it was just a bad time. See, bad influences, man. And look how you turned out.

Now you talk shit on my gosh. Imagine being an 11 year old. Those cars are very difficult to drive. The only time I ever drove like a Mayback or a Bentley was the intro to, the emotional oranges down to Miami video. They had this great idea that I would play the driver. Yeah.

And they got a Bentley, I think, or it was a Mayback. I think it was the Bentley that was on, um, it was on, uh, on a, on the cover of, what was it? Is it, Hardnock Life? Was it the Bentley Jad, the blue one? Okay, so that just makes it like super. The dark, yeah, the Navy was on volume two. I think that was the same car. You parted in, in the studio, on the white cycle.

No, not that one. Because that wasn't, it wasn't convertible. I can't remember. But it was like the Bentley and Age. I think that's what the name of that one was. Great times. Go real quick to the video, Julian. Started from the top.

That's a Rolls-Royce. It was Rolls-Royce then. See, I forgot. I drive a Mazda. They put like a mark down. So you're supposed to stop at? Yeah. And I had never driven a Rolls-Royce before.

And I'm a- You realize them breaks was kind of? Yeah. Like, I think, I'm a pretty good. All that weight driver. So I tried it once, completely fucked it up because the brake and even just touching that pedal, that old shit jumps.

I then took that, I took it around the block a few times to practice. And like, I almost hit a mailbox. To practice. To practice. Because I had to pull it into it. Like, that's a big body fucking Rose Royce to get into the entrance of that driveway. Thank God for practicing driving into Queens driveways because you only get this much. Oh, yeah.

Between the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had some experience at least trying to. to do that. Practice some smaller drive with. When I say the director was like starting to get a little upset with me that I kept missing that fucking mark in the Rolls Price. It's okay.

But yeah. You're like a Karen driver though. You're like a, you'd be a great like carpool driver for like soccer moms. Like you're like a soccer mom driver. Go on. Very safe. Yeah, like land it.

Very safe. You think Roy's a safe driver? I'm not a safe driver. He is not a great driver, but not a safe one. He's, yeah, yes, you're a good driver.

You're not, he's not like the safest. Why you say he's not safe? I've been in the cars where he a lot. But what's, like, not safe about his driving? Fast and angry. Are you think you work drafts fast? He'll dip in and out of traffic, too.

He's the king of, like, the cheat slides, too. Oh, I love those. Like, he's like, if there's a, if he's getting off the ramp and the line is, you know, a quarter mile up the freeway, he'll go right up until the end and cut it. Oh, that's what you're supposed to do. You stay on the back in the line? No, I'm not saying it's a bad move, but I'm saying there's a lot of, like, aggressive moves that he makes. Well, you got to be aggressive driving in New York City, though.

Like, when you grow up. to learn to drive in New York City. Like, you're just naturally more aggressive driver because if you're not, you'll be at the same one traffic light for eight minutes. Like, tell me how to drive passively on the Grand Central or Van Wick.

No, there's no way. No, I'm not, but that's the thing. You're luckily, you drive at 4 p.m. And let me know how passive. Julie, you know the drive? Yeah, I drove. I drove upstate. Oh, but that, you, you upstate driver.

I drive like once or twice a year now. You drove with them when we drove back from D.C. We split. Yeah, I drove. it time. I was, I might have been, I'm like a little tamer version of Rory. I won't make like the wild aggressive moves, but I like to move fat. I like to be in the lane that's like actually going. I'm a very fat. I'm not a stop go guy. Let me go. Oh, baby, do you drive to? Yeah, I'm from upstate. Oh yeah, yeah, y'all had to drive when y'all was like 14. I haven't had a car though

since 2012. I've never owned my own car. I always used my parents. My brother told it. So whoever I was dating, I never had my own car. But have y'all, have y'all been in the car with me when I drive with Amara because that's a drastically different. Yeah. Yes, but we were in city so it's like you're not really going anywhere. That drive home from the hospital was like the scariest. I went five miles and I was like the end of

knocked up. You thought you're going to break it? You know the end of it? Break it. I was going to break it. That's hilarious. I don't want to break her. Like, what just drive? She's really fragile right now. She's a brand new mirror you just bought from fucking Creight and barrel. You know the end of it. No, nothing was worse because Amara was

earlier than the due date by almost a week. So I hadn't put the thing together. I did that in the front of the hospital in like 10 degree weather. That was the worst experience ever. Trying to put together a fucking car seat. When your fingers are freezing? Then having the nerve.

She's gonna be down here in like 10 minutes. What if I don't strap this in? Yeah, what if I fuck this up? Yeah. I still have flashbacks of that paranoia. I love fun like women drivers that are great drivers. Don't drive with me. I had a female Uber driver.

Well, I always have one right. I had a female Uber driver one day and I, if you know me, I just, it fucking annoys me when I have it. Because you hate women. No, I love women. I just feel like I don't want to be in a, I don't want to be chauffeered by a woman. I don't want a woman driving me around. I just, you don't think women can drive.

It's fine. No, no, no. Women can drive. But I just don't, when I'm in an Uber, it just feels weird having a woman driving me around. That's a very dame perspective. That's like, we don't let women drive us in Harlem. That's not Harlem.

Yeah, like, you know, that's just like, let me say. A woman can't be my boy. Or let me sit in the front with you. Like if I'm not going to be, but being in the back and having a woman driving is crazy. The only time I don't like having a woman driver is when we're going to the airport and she wants to do the luggage thing. I'm like, I'll take, let me do the bag thing. You never like. But then they feel offended.

They're like, well, why don't you live? I'm like, but come on. I actually let one time I was on one waste to the airport. I actually let her try to lift up my luggage because I was like, yo, it's heavy. She was like, I got it. I was like, it's heavy. So I was like, I go ahead. And I won two me bag.

She went to try to pick that shit up. You sit to me, she was like, yeah, no, I can't do it. I'll say, exactly. Like, but, you know, I got it. It's okay. But now drive fast because I'm late. But I love, I love. You're never late for flights, though.

Flight, well, I don't, I don't miss. No, but I, I don't miss. I don't miss flights. You respect Delta way more than you respect us. No, no, no, I don't miss flights, but I have, I have been late to the airport, though. Okay. Like, you know, when you're rushing, like, damn, like, I got to get to the airport. Like, I haven't missed it, but it's been times where I cut it close getting to the airport, for sure.

This is a very me thing. I've never come close to missing a flight getting to the airport. I've almost missed my flight sitting at the gate. Yep. How? That's a me thing. I just get in my own world

and then it's like last call boarding. So you don't see everybody else getting up getting on the... I sometimes just get in my head, especially at airports, because I just like block out everybody. Yeah. If you miss your flight sitting at the gate,

you got to go get checked. I've never done it, but I've come very close multiple times. Yeah, I'll fall in asleep at, like, I'm sitting up there line, and they're like boarding and the gate came and the lady came and tapped me as like is this your flight

like we're about to close. Oh yeah no. They usually do that. That's nice of them. But also the I'm I will be on time to the airport because I have to get a glass of champagne at the airport every single time I go. It's just like you just want to over pay for everything. Champaign you just want to get there by a $8. You want those bubble guts at 30,000 C?

I don't know. It's just kind of become like I just become my thing. Like I have to eat and have a glass of champagne at the airport. I do it every flight. So what I'll do is I'll be sitting up there, like, just chilling and I'll miss my flight that way. Like, you got to drink, you got to, like, you want champagne to fly out of, like, Champaign or Proseckel? Detroit.

I'll do what I'm going to therapy. Matter of fact, only Detroit is where I would do that. Well, when we flew back from London, Rory and I got, we drank a lot of wine. But it wasn't our fault. They had a actual bar in the plane. The first class had a full bar. So we just, once they were cruising, we just got up and sat. There were seats at the bars.

We were just out of bar, and it was just two of us. We went through. It was like us and a flight attendant who just became our bartender. We just went through like four or five bottles of wine. It was at Virgin Atlantic, right? Yeah. Had I known that, I would have bought a fucking economy middle seat. Because we snuck Julian up there.

No problem. Yeah, I was right beyond the car and I just got up and walked in. And then right when they were like, take your seats, we're about to land, the one flight attendant came up to me. He was like, were you up there and no. You know you can't do that. And I'm drunk and shit at this point. I'm like, oh, too late. We're about to land.

What difference does it be? Landing a JFK, sir. Yeah. Get out of my way. find me. Yeah. What you're gonna do right now? Speaking of Dame.

And before we get, well, I was saying it sounded like a very much Dame Harlem mentality that you're saying, you don't want women, Uber drivers. That's not Harlem. You don't do that. A woman could never be your boss. What? See, you're going to try to put that out the only. Yeah, go ahead.

Dame responded to Fat Joe. I keep up with all Dame interviews. I love Dame interviews. I am. fine with him always talking about hove i know that's now starting to become a thing no no no no he doesn't always talk about people ask him i agree that's that's that's that's that's a narrative that people paint about dame that i i well i get it i understand it but it's like if people asking him and he's responded to it if anyone understands narratives and about talking about other people it's you and i

so i fully understand that dame has just asked questions and he answer them but also dame is fully aware that when he does interviews it's going to be nobody always says he's always says why y'all don't ask them when y'all sit down with them because they don't sit down with those platforms. No, some have. Some have. Some have. I've seen sitting down with some people.

You like, y'all just had them on here while y'all didn't ask him that. Give Breakfast Club some credit. I think they asked Jay the one time he went on breakfast club about Dame. That's why he never went back. Yeah. Sorry. True. Yeah.

That's why he only texts his Ebro now. But Fat Joe on his platform discussed Dame and, you know, the interviews that he does. and said that delusion is a real thing. And if you want to just go, if you made hove, go make another hove. We all know the line from lost ones. And Dame, rightfully so, reply back. And I thought it was fucking hilarious. Dame, again, Dame gets a lot of flack for how he says things.

It rubs people the wrong way. But when you listen to the things he says and, you know, the points that he makes, he's always on the right side of, you know, just doing things the right way. treating people fairly, artists being treated fairly. You know, if you're somebody that owns a product, you should, you know, be able to know and control everything that goes on around your business. Like, he's always preaching that. Know your business.

Every single part of your business. Know it because if not, somebody is going to come in and take advantage of your business or you're going to have to pay somebody to do something that you can do yourself. So Dame always preaches, you know, just being a CEO, being a leader, being a boss. And there's nothing wrong with that message. And I think it's great. sometimes it just gets, you know, the message is delivered a little differently than people sometimes like, which is, you know, that's up to you.

But the message to me that Dame always preaches is very important. And this was him responding to something that Fat Joe said. And when I saw Fat Joe speak on that, I kind of, I knew Dame would respond only because, you know, Fat Joe guys like Dame, they're from a certain era, a certain place, certain time where you don't speak on certain things that you have nothing. to do it. Well, they also had like a real beef for a long time. And Jay was the only one that squashed it. I don't think Dame and Fat Joe ever had a combo. No, but it was still some, I mean, Dame has a scar on the top of his head because of Terror Squad. No, no, no, no, no. That was the one else.

That came from, that was in London. Yeah. Oh, okay. They got into a thing in London. But, um, wrong combat jack podcast. That was yeah. Um, no, they got into, they got out of something to happen in London. But, um, but Dame to me is somebody that is, you know, if you, if you, listen to his interviews and you know you pay attention to you know his words and things like that you can always find something to take from it and just to add to whatever it is that you're doing especially if you're in a space of creating or you know you know doing any type of business like he's definitely a person that has done it at a very high level has had a lot of success so he has a lot of jewels and a lot of ideas and a lot of you know things to share but I knew he would respond to that

And I thought the way he responded was very, I thought it was very gentleman like of him. I found out that Fat Joe promotes hair products. I had no idea. I didn't know that either. But if you know, if you know Dame, you know, like how we said early, well, most deaf with the Drake shit. Like this was Dame's dig and slight at, you know, that's not my business model. I would never die my beard to look younger.

Can we play this, Julian? As to other businesses. Now, I see him doing other businesses like Beardye. Fat Joe, DJ Cal and Tank, Tyson Beckford, the Wonder Boy, Travis Kelsey. Right for the holidays, get that glow. You see how that thing going? Rewind it 10, baby. Why fight the time where you can rewind the time?

And promoting, putting dye on your face to make yourself look younger. I go in the bathroom. I rinse it off of water. Simple as that. That's crazy. North to South, I got that glow. That's not my business model. I've heard.

That's Dane in a nutshell. Like, he's going, like, that's what you do. Cool. I never spoke on that because that's not my business. Yeah. And if Faslow makes money off it, no, I mean, more power to you. Cool. They made it get you a bag for a cool.

He's just saying that's not something that I would attach myself in my brain to. That's not my business model. So I thought Dame did a, he responded in a very professional, very respectful, very, you know, I didn't like that. So I'm going to throw a shot at you. But in a very Dame, respectful boss type of way. And, you know, I understand why he did it. And, you know, also if you know Dame, you knew that he was going to respond to that at some point. Do you think Dame comes off bitter sometimes?

Bitter? Sure, but why not? I mean, that was going to be my answer. I think that it can be bitter. It's okay to feel bitter sometimes. Yeah, but I think that when you're, you know, when you created the business, businesses and, you know, molded the artist that he has and the success that these artists have had and people in business have had with him.

And then, you know, for something to happen to where now the relationships are not there with these people and people kind of turn their backs to you, for whatever reason, whatever it may be, I think there's room for it to be a little bitter. I think if you come across bitter and have every right to feel that way, it's fine. It's totally fine. I mean, of course you need to heal for your own personal peace, but what's wrong with explaining a situation

the way you felt it happened and it can come across emotional and pissed off because it was fucked up. The one thing that Dame always says is that when you tell the truth, you got to be ready to be the sacrificial land. And I think that that's something that resonates with anybody that is on that

side. Like when you're standing on the truth and you speak the truth of things like that, you got to always be prepared for certain doors to close on you, for certain people to turn their backs on you, for certain people that would speak to you again. Like, it's just certain things that come with that. But if that's who you are at the core and that's who you decided that you're going to be and you're not budging off of that, then you welcome that with open arms too because you know that that's just part of the game. Lost one speaks to the genius of hove. And I know this kind of became a hove podcast out of nowhere, but Both cast.

I, after hearing all sides multiple times and being someone that has admittedly been obsessed with that era, I tend to lean on Dame's side of the story in what happened with the breakup. The way Jay flipped that on Lost Ones, I just think speaks to his absolute fucking genius. That verse is flawless and Dame is probably right in his storytelling. the way Jay if you made a hove go make another hove like he smoked Dame while I think dame was probably

right. I just that's to me the genius of Jay Z like Jay was probably wrong and of course there's always three sides every story and it's very complicated and honestly who cares because we weren't really there and we don't really know the story and never will. It's wild how he flipped that entire thing.

I mean I you know the whole genius the whole make hole where you made hove and you know i just don't like when people say shit like that because you know you i don't like it's not making somebody did you did you help some mold somebody and help guide them and help you know bring things to them and and and work on a goal and work on a dream together absolutely but to say anybody made anybody is just like bro you didn't make this person like you know i'm saying now did you assist in helping and yeah maybe sure but you know we we both benefited from that but i just don't

like when people start saying, oh, this person made this person or that person made that. No, bro, I can't. I don't subscribe to that. And, like, two things can be true as well. Dame obviously had a crazy hand in Jay-Z's success. 100%. But Jay-Z is also one of a kind, and that pairing was one of the kind. Dame could be the biggest genius on Earth.

Doesn't mean there's also going to be another Jay-Z. And also, maybe you put Jay-Z with someone else and it doesn't work out the same way. it was two geniuses in their own right and what they were doing at that time coming together is like the rarest fucking thing ever. And it gave us an era of legendary shit. And you got to drive a Mayback? Like it was crazy. Bentley.

Bentley. Sorry. Watch your mouth. Before we get to voicemails, I just want to ask you one quick question. It doesn't have to be a topic or we can discuss it on Patreon later. How would you feel if you found out your girl participated in 20 women, verse one rapper on YouTube. My girl?

For those that don't know, there's a platform that's actually pretty hilarious. Shout out to them, they built a great platform. It's 20 women versus one rapper versus one uncle versus one actor. They had little meatch on there.

One cup. 20 girls, one cup. Two girls, 20 cups. Coming out of COVID hot. Essentially, it's really just 20 women go and shoot their shot with somebody that's famous.

And it's some of the most basic entertaining content of all time. And I just want to ask you some of the most cringe shit to watch too. I want to ask you later on Patreon. Just one quick question. What if you found out like five months

into the relationship that she was one of 20 to shoot her shot at Charleston White? You want me to answer that now or on a Patreon? We can talk about it on Patreon. That's it. Charleston White? Come on, man. He'll shoot you. Relax.

Do we have voicemails? We do. DeMaris, would you do 20 women verse one rapper if you like the rapper? Do you know DeMaris was lined up for stove? Don't do that. For whole veto. I didn't violate you all episode. I tried mad.

No, you did. You did. You said some slick shit early. When I say, what I say. You said some slick shit. I don't know what you said. That's gas lighting. Exactly.

No. I didn't. I'm a gas light on me right now. Fuck you talk about it. I have the gas and the lighter. You talk about it. That's like when Roy said, definitively that dolphins derive from birds and then doubled down on it.

We're like, no, they didn't. Oh, I thought we found out they did. No. No. No. See? And that's gas lighting right there. Back to the missing of flight sitting at your own gate.

If that really does happen to me, I'm going to lie to you guys and say that the flight was canceled. I'm just telling you guys that. I'm telling you guys that now. I would be so embarrassed that I would tell you guys that the flight. I would never tell you I missed a flight and I was sitting at the gate. Y'all would never hear about that. No. That's crazy.

Never. the flight was scheduled. Yeah. I don't care if you can go that it landed in the city we were going to. I am going to lie to y'all faces.

Julian and a dinner were also on the same flight and they didn't wake me up. They were at the gate. Yo, it's time to pour. You've got mail. At the end of last week's Thursday episode,

I asked you guys if you wanted a happy one or a sad one. Yeah. And we went out on a high note so I figured we'd play the other option that I had lined up.

So get ready. How y'all doing? Ward, Mall, Julian Demers, Young, Bobby out here in North Carolina. My is more so like childhood trauma. Like, my dad died when I was five years old. So, like, certain things, I wasn't able,

like certain conversations or certain, you know, just as men, things, they had to learn on my own growing up. And I feel like that kind of affected me. as a father, I have a son who's 11, and I still have a hard time to have a certain conversations about, you know, women. Even though he's 11, but now, you know, they're starting to ask questions now about girls in school. And, you know, about, you know, those type of conversations, like how to address those

type of conversations with your child. Even sometimes my mom was like, you know, you don't tell, you don't tell, you know, your son, you love them enough. I'm like, I mean, I tell him I love him, but he should, I don't know how I shouldn't have to tell him, you know, all the time. I'm like, you know, he should know, but I feel like some of that came from probably some, something I was missing in my child, I don't know. What do y'all think about that?

Could childhood trauma affect the way you raise your child? Well, I mean, short answer. Was that a nigga crying into that? Probably, mom. Could be. This is a vulnerable moment. You're such an insensitive asshole sometimes. You know, this is why people don't come to you when they have like real emotional issues.

You know, Bobby, don't leave no voicemail crying. All right. Oh, come on. What? You want to hear a grown man calling him crying? He's literally trying to work on being a better father. Like, are you crying pussy? Like, these guys being vulnerable.

This is a very important. Well, that's my trauma. See? I'm pushing my trauma. Damn. That's true. That's true. My mother said, you're crying, nigga.

Get your head. Your mother did not say that. Mom knows. She never said that. That's just you. She's the sweetest lady. Yeah, she doesn't said that to me. Damaris and I had a conversation at a hookah spot yesterday,

sort of similar to this in some degree. It was me, Demerison, Lowe, right? Yes. And, you know, eventually I want to have another child, and I'll be honest. It'd be nice to have a son. I wanted a daughter first and was happy that I got a daughter, but eventually, you know, got to carry on the name and all that shit,

my only child. I do fear how I will treat a future son to the way I treat Amara. I'm maybe call it toxic masculinity. I don't know if I'm going to be as affectionate and loving to a son. Like it bothers me in my head a little bit, just thinking about it of how I already treat Amara and will continue to treat Amara in such a sensitive and caring way. I don't know if I'm going to have that same process with a son, which is fucked up. Because we're just talking about the Little King thing where, you know, we typically don't care about boys.

Like it's like, go figure it out. Like we're a second thought when it comes to the emotional side of everything. And that may come from childhood trauma as well. But we have that like, you got to raise a man. Yes. So I feel him. A little different conversation, but it is tied into, I think, what he's saying? We weren't raised affectionately from the men in our family.

We're not going to do it once we have a son either. Well, he lost his father at five. So he's saying I literally didn't have a dad. No, no. I'm saying it's tied into kind of what his conversation was. If that's completely absent, then you really have no reference. And you're just going to probably go with the toxic. male situation. But it is something you have to get over and understand that your sons need

the same type of love and affection that your daughters require and that you want to give to them. I think that... Listen, man, your sons need a hug too. No, 100%. I think that, you know, why you say you don't know if you'll be as affectionate, I think it's the opposite. I think you'll be very affectionate with your son, only because maybe you weren't, didn't have an affectionate relationship with your dad. I always feel like it's going to be, it's very rare that, because I feel like the way I was raised and I don't know the way some of my brothers and sisters were raised. Like, they don't, we, we don't treat our nieces and nephews the same way we were treated

growing up. It's like, yo, I wouldn't, like how you said, like, even, you know, yelling or spanking your, you can never see yourself doing that to your daughter. No. Like, I don't think my sister has ever, like, spanked my nephew. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just certain things that I think once you went through it and you remember the feeling that you had and like, yo, like, mom, you didn't even have to hit me there. Like, you could have just told me to clean up my room and it would have been done. Like, how would have did it. Like, we just are at a different, I think, generation, a different era now where we just realized the way that we were raised. Certain things were like, okay, I understand why our parents were, you know, just trying to figure things. out too. They didn't, you know, you don't have a manual on how to be a parent. But it's like, once you become an adult, you just remember certain ways that you felt as a kid in certain situations where I think that you are going to do the exact opposite. Like, okay, I'm not going to yell at my daughter or my son because I know how I felt when my parents yelled at me or I

know what that did to me. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's certain things. I think that you just adjust and find different ways to parent now that you're an adult and you have your own kids. But it's a little conflicting because I'm very progressive, I feel like, despite the jokes we make on this podcast. I also have a side of me that believes in masculinity and raising a man. And sometimes that's not the same way as raising a daughter. Men and women are equal, but we are different. So, yes, I fully believe that our sons need affection, love, understanding. they need to be coddled.

Like, a lot of us are a little fucked up now because we were never coddled. But there is value in where we ended up because there was some neglect and like, yo, go figure it the fuck out for yourself. You're a man. That's not neglect. And that's also, that's not, yeah,

it's not in all or nothing system. You can be supportive and not leave your kid to fend for themselves. That makes sense. It's not like you fucked up. Figure it out. As a parent, you should not solve the problem immediately. Let's pretend this never happened. But

every, like when I taught, every moment with a student is a learning, a teaching moment. So if they make the mistake, you identify the mistake and help them see it and then come to the conclusion together. So then the next time when you're not there, they can solve it on their own. I just think that

it, You, I think if you're a mentally, a healthy, mentally healthy person. Oh, well, take me out of this. No, you're mentally healthy. I think that you just, I just think that you, I just think that you just know, for the most part, as adults, you know right from wrong. If you're a mentally healthy functioning adult, you just know right. You just mean, like, no matter what it, across, across anything, you just know when something is right and something is wrong. You know when you're doing something right, you know when you're doing something wrong.

Okay. I just think you just have that ability as humans, as a healthy functioning human. You have that ability. Now, in raising kids, I think sometimes people chastise and raise their kids differently. They set certain boundaries for their kids that other parents don't set for their kids and things like that. And they reprimand their kids differently. But I think in raising kids, I think that you just know, like, okay, I gave my kid these, these skills and they know how to do this.

Now, your kids get to a point sometimes they get lazy, they don't want to do certain things. Dad and that's when you're throwing it out. Because I know that you're equipped to do what I'm asking you or telling you to do. You're just being a brat or a kid right now. You know, you're acting like a baby. You don't want to do this.

You throw in a fit. Cool, this is a learning. We can use this as a learning experience now. This is what happens when you don't use the skill sets that you have and you want to just act like, oh, I don't want to do this and you throw a fit. You're not going to get what you want. Some parents, they'll just do it for their kid or whatever they ask them to do.

They'll just do it themselves. Some, it's going to stay there until you fix it, until you do it. Like, clean your room. You don't want to clean your room. Okay, cool. You don't get to play PlayStation or you don't get to use your VR headset and things like that. Like, you just raise your kids differently. But you don't just, you know, beat your kids or put your hands or yell or curse at your kids.

Like, to me, that's just a little like, all right, that's a little too. Now, I'm not here to tell anybody how to parent and raise their children. That's not what I'm trying to do. But I just think that you know when, yo, that was right or, damn, that was wrong. I shouldn't have yelled. But all, yeah, like the thing with cursing at kids and beating them, it's all it does is remind the kids that what they did is wrong. But it doesn't identify why they did was, you're not explaining them or giving them a concrete reason for why they shouldn't do that behavior. You're just telling them, oh, you did it.

Here's a reaction for doing that. Right. talk to your kid like look I get it some families you hit your kid if you're gonna hit him because I know it still happens at least have that conversation either before or after and explain why this consequence is happening don't just beat them up

and be like well I feel better as a parent I hit my kid I'm gonna go about my day now let's be they know what they did is bad it's boy girl they would I would never hit my kid I don't believe in that I think it's fucking insane looking back I got hit with a belt a belt that's it I mean well there's other shit

I got hit with anything that was in arms reach. That's where I come from. Yeah. Whatever was right here. But it was weird because my dad came from that school of thought, whereas my mom, her family was very, like, well-educated and articulate.

So my mom would be the one that would always talk and communicate the things. And she didn't agree with my dad, but she understood what my dad's side came from. I understood why I got hit, like, as I'm a man now. Like, looking back, I understood why my mom hit me in certain circumstances. Because I was at that age where I was, I was testing my mother. Like, I was testing her authority.

I was testing that boundary. And, you know, she had to show that, you know, listen, I'm still. Big dog. Yeah, like, this is still my house. This is still, you're still under my rules. And, you know, when you get to that age 13, 14, you start, you know, feeling yourself a little bit. Like, and yeah, my mom's had to tag me a few times, like 100%. And I remember that.

But, you know, then I didn't, I'm like, well, is my mom here? But now looking back. I 100% understand why she did that. I understand more popping toddlers than... No way. No. Listen to what I'm saying. I'm not talking about whoop.

I'm not talking about whoop it. Popping the top is crazy. Listen to what I'm saying so I can clarify that because I don't want that just being hung on my jacket. When I say pop, I don't mean hit. I don't mean spank. I mean... Stop.

Going to touch the stove. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm talking. I'm not talking about spanking your child, your toddler because they did something. they're wrong. Yeah. Because they don't... Like, you shit again?

You can't explain to a tour... Getting mad at a baby for shitting. You took another... I just changed your diaper. I've thought that in my head. Don't get me wrong. Like, you're shitting again? What the fuck?

But you can't... To a two or three or four or five-year-old, you can't really explain certain, like, concepts. There's certain things you have to learn. Like, for example, my parents used to tell me, don't run around this coffee table. Don't run around this coffee table.

It's sharp. Stop, stop, stop, stop. and it took for me to run into it and hurt myself. And it's like, well, here. Like, see, now you learn not to do that anymore. They learn more from, they have to, you can't talk to them. You can't talk to a fucking three, four year old and really get them to understand why something they're doing is dangerous for them.

They don't understand the concept of danger until danger is introduced to them. So that's why I said when it comes to like popping, that makes sense for younger kids. But once a kid is old enough to like understand a conversation, beating them is not doing anything. I don't think. Well, some of y'all are physically hitting kids is. What's kids? What's the age to cut off a kid? Period.

It just doesn't. It doesn't solve it. It doesn't solve anything. Some of y'all out here raising future serial killer, they need to get their ass spank. How is that going to help? Yeah, I guarantee you there. I mean, what's the fix? You think the kid that gets beat is going to be like, you know what?

I shouldn't shoot this school. I think it helps. I think there's a study we can conduct where every school shooter never got spankers growing up. Well, to white people don't. Alex Jones and see if you can get that one. Yeah, I think we need to do a survey. Out of old school shooters, how many of y'all was raised a certain way?

I think there's just way more. A lot of variables. I'm trying to tell you this. Real mental issues that don't derive from being beat or not being. No, it's definitely mental issues. I'm sure there were some certain people who were actually beat a little bit too hard and that that came over the issue. Yeah. But I think

there's also, I think there's a, I'm not pro spanking, but I understand how there is a medium between a spanking and getting beat. Some people get beat. There's abuse and then there's a sp-like you got a spanking. There's a difference. I said when your mom take a time off to catch a breath and then proceed.

That's a beating. I've ain't never been beat before, Rory. I said this on this podcast. When I used to think that I was being beat, I talked to my West Indian friends to like exchange childhood beating stories. And I was like, oh, I was, no, y'all, y'all were abused. to beat the up. Like, I thought I had it bad.

I did not have it bad. It was fucking fine compared to what y'all went through. I keep telling you, my mom's hit me with a tennis racket one day. I didn't even know she played tennis. Backhand? Where did you get that from? She came out her bedroom with a tennis racket. I was like, where did you get that?

Like, he started hit me with a tennis racket. But I understand, though. Like, looking back, I don't know 100 because the hand wasn't hurting me no more. The belt wasn't hurting me. Like, the tennis racket, though? Yeah, I think I ain't, I ain't fuck up that whole school year after that. I was, I was chill the whole rest of that school year. I guess I still have the same fear, though.

The way I'm talking about a hypothetical son and how I would probably be a little less affectionate, lenient, and amazing the way I would with Amara. I have that fear with Amara of like, I still need to raise this girl to go out into the world. Like, there needs to be some pullback on coddling because the world is not going to coddle Amara. when it's time to go out and be an adult. Like, that's what scares me too. Like, I don't, I'm, swear I'm just going to always be whatever the fuck she wants. Like, that's what scares me.

Yeah. Because I just look at her, I'm like, how could I ever say no to this human being? Yeah. But is that going to do her any good? Yes. And this is where it's fucked up, because I know everyone on the internet is,

is amazing and progressive and raised really good. I can admit that I was probably raised in a pretty misogynistic way that even at 33 I'm still thinking that I would tell my son like go figure it out while I'm coddling Amara. You would not. You're not going to do that to you. You're not going to do that to you. I know you're not going to do that to you. As soon as you see that kid, that'll change everything.

You're going to cry like a... I think your son is going to soften you more than Amara is. I mean, I guess yeah, probably. But I still have them back my mind raising kids and I don't know because it's only been a fucking year. So I don't have the answers here. try to. But outside of not having a traumatic childhood for your kid, you also have to raise them to be a fucking adult. And I'm going to sound very much Fox Newsie here. But it's the parents' responsibility to raise a child that is going to contribute to society as well. You need to go be a fucking adult. I can't coddle you all the time, even though I want to. Children deserve nothing but love in a healthy environment.

but where do you draw the line on certain things? Because when am I doing you a disservice? This is how you raise. When am I really just making you so soft that when the real world hits you, that first week you'll be like, too hard, I'll run back home? That's not creating a person that is going to contribute to not only themselves, but to the worlds we live in. That goes back to the school shooter theory.

See, all these kids that shoot up schools is the ones that was coddled, And as soon as they were, the first time they were told no, didn't make a school team got cut, all this type of shit. Probably mentally ill as well. Then they were probably that too. Then they rebel. The world is against them. And also, undiagnosed trauma. You just got cut from the team.

Like, you didn't make the team. It's okay. That's your first sign of not being accepted. Like, it's okay. You can just try to get next year. But I would say you raise your daughter to tell her that all boys have AIDS and teach you how to change a car tires. That's a fact. Yeah.

I think those are like one and two. One A, one B. There you go. As a daughter, don't worry so much about teaching her how to, like, prepare for, like, the real world because the real world is going to come regardless. The real world does not start once she leaves your house. And what world? And what world? Because the world that my mom raised me for was different from the world that she grew up in.

Exactly. That's true. That's a really good point, mom. You know what I'm saying? That's a really good point. That's a really good point. Yeah. You might have a son in a few years.

Being a woman. Or you might have a kid that Mara might identify as a boy. That's why that was what I was saying. Yeah. The world is... That's what we had now. I know we're in a... Marian.

We make these jokes on the podcast all the time. Life is easy for women and all of these... You're sick. Life is easy for women and all of these things. Sorry. No, finish the joke. It's just... Omario!

I'm sorry, Frang, I'm sorry, Fran, I interrupt to you. But he just called my daughter on Mario. Oh, Marion. She keeps the hay. Yo. You don't need. No, that's the world we in, bro. You don't know.

That's the world we in. I'm just saying, what you left from the hospital with might not be what you walk across that graduation stage. That's all I'm saying. I'm so happy we have a new HR partner. I'm just trying to tell you. I'm just trying to tell you. I'm just trying to tell you.

I'm funny as fuck. I'm sorry. No, it was a one joke. It was fucking great. That was great. Good job. I didn't hear him. You know, Kea and I had that conversation.

Actually, over the weekend. in the event. You had a lot of deep time votes this weekend. Yeah, man. In the event that Amara wants to be like change her sex? Yeah.

Or her gender? I mean, we had the debate because I think we were watching. HBO has the debates now. Like with the Republican candidates. I don't think they have the Democratic ones.

So we missed it when it was live. Wait, they don't have a Democratic debate? I didn't see it on Max. I could be wrong. Oh. but we wanted to watch it and when it aired, Amara was awake and it was whatever.

So we watched it a few days later and of course... Watching Bill Maher with your daughter is great. It's not Bill Maher. CNN, which I thought was great that CNN conducted the Republican debate. But we watched it. And naturally, the transgender conversation, which again to me is just another distraction.

It's the new gay marriage. It's the... Like, why can't we really address... It's not real issues. It's just like, who gives the fuck? Like, let people do it the fuck they want. You're doing this to avoid any accountability on the real issues that are affecting every last person in America.

But it got Kea and I talking about in the event that Amaro felt that way and wanted to get surgery, puberty blockers, and everything. And that's kind of where we differed a little bit. If Amara came to me and said, hey, I feel like a boy, I would support and love any last thing that she wanted to do in that regard. I'm not with surgery under 18. I agree. My only question would be,

what age would you can take it seriously? I mean, he was making the point that, okay, but that can drive kids into more of depression because they feel like they can't be themselves. And I was like, maybe it's a little optimistic of me.

I think because this would be a healthy environment that if she came to us and said that, we would be very understanding and loving and treat her as such, but you can't get this surgery. I mean, in my opinion, I'd prefer 20s, but like 18, I guess is just a better cutoff there. If Amara, when she was an adult,

wanted to go get surgery to change her sex, I would be at the hospital next to her bed in the recovery room. But I'm not letting a 14-year-old get surgery. No. I think that's, I'm just, I'm just, I can't live that way. And I don't know if that's transphobic. I don't know if everyone's going to kill me because I like to live in the middle. I just, I, I wouldn't let any kid get any type of surgery.

Of altering, physical altering surgery that wasn't. That's not a decision for a kid to make. No type of surgery is a decision. No type. I don't care if it's a broken leg. Yeah. It's like, no, it's not, that's not a decision for a kid to make. And I, I, also supposed to make that decision.

And I understood Kea's point in that regard of. how many kids really just drive into depression and possible suicide if they cannot be who they want to be, especially through puberty, because we all know. Our brains are fucking nuts when you're going through puberty. I just think if you're in a loving environment, I think that happens with kids that feel rejected by their support system. They can't get surgery and everyone around them feels like, yeah, what's wrong with you? I think it would be a loving environment. Like, hey, you're just going to have to wait to do that. We're here to help you in any other way.

But no, I'm not letting a teenager get surgery in that regard. Like, that's crazy. Agreed. And I don't really, I'm not going to pretend like I know all the research and puberty blockers and this and that. It's just not something I would run to do. I just think two things can be true and I can live in the middle and gray area of saying, I support how you feel. It's just not happening now.

You're a fucking kid. Like you're just not getting surgery. You toss her a fit. And I found out that was just, I'm transphobic. You toss her fitted and say, wait a few more years? Yeah. Well, no, they don't get certain. The ones that wear fit is, don't get surgery.

Remember tomboy's? Oh, that was an era. Yeah, like, where's all the tomb boys at? Chicks that were tomb boys in when they were teenagers are my type now. Yeah. Chicks that went from tomboys to like more feminine. That was my, that was my type. Like, I like the tomb boys.

Like, the tomboys never went like full like surgery. Like, it's, oh, that's. aggressive? It's a different part of that. You can be a... That community of... They just want to... Like I said, listen to Jadicus, wear a fitted

and champ a mild. What happened to that? It's still out there? The Jadikas Bar is crazy. Yo, people was killing me like... Everyone in this room, are you guys going to tell me you have not met that lesbian

that war-fitted either a Carhart or Champion jacket always had a mild on them and knew every Jada kiss freestyle by heart. Yes, Rory. Everyone knows that lesbian. No, I don't know that lesbian.

Yes, you do. Not that weird smokes black. You matched, you matched weed with her. 100%. You matched with her. All wasn't deep enough in the hood. You got to go to the hood to find out. You might have busted down a bogey.

I wasn't deep enough in the hood. You know where I'm gonna? You said you never met that? You know where I grew up at? You was driving the Bentley. Crested in Fortham. They don't get more hood than that in the Bronx. You're crazy?

It's a very scary area. What? No, it just was a different time, I guess. I don't know. Well, to bring it back really quickly to Bobby, I would encourage him to, because of the insecurities he has around him not having a father and they feel like he's currently missing something. I think it's important to, you're in the position to break that cycle, be that person for your son. So eventually when he is a son and so on and so forth, they are in a better place and healthier and have healthy relationships with the men in their lives, especially their fathers. So you're here for a reason.

You're in your son's life. Do yourself a service and be that person that you didn't have. I go to therapy. I can empathize to what Demer said. Therapy and I appreciate that this is a conscious thing in his head already. And I think that's the best step and he's going to be fine. As someone that was raised by a mother that did not have parents, deal with this shit now. I know you had no example.

So go talk to someone. so you can start forming your own examples because neglect is the number one thing that's going to happen when you don't have an example of parents. I was raised by someone that lost both their parents as a teenager and had no reference of what parenting was. She was an amazing mother, but trust me,

it definitely is part of her parenting, yeah. Look at how crazy I am. I think it's just, I think it's very simple. I'm fucking missing flights when I'm at the gate. I think it just comes down to people just always raise your kids with love. It's really that simple.

Yeah, that's the one part you can't go wrong. When you raise your kids with genuine unconditional love, like, everything else figures it will fall into place and figure yourself out. Just love your kids. Raise them in love. Teach them to love.

And all that other shit, you'll figure it out. It takes a village. That's something that I came up with. It takes a village. Yeah. You came up with that? Yeah, a phrase I came up with it.

I appreciate you bringing that to the ecosystem. I don't think a lot of people takes a whole village to do so. Speaking of D.C. We're in D.C. March 23rd. Were we speaking up? The club? All-Star weekend.

That's a wild callback. Oh, let's, we got to redo that club night then. Should we hit, should we hit out? The Limebar is not there anymore. I can promise you. It closed in 2010. I looked at it up. Did it?

We're in a group chat with the Shad. Yeah. Can go to Rose Bar. Should we pay for his flight? No. Shad. But we should. We will be in D.C. March 23rd at the Howard Theater coming back to the Howard Theater

to fuck with the beautiful people down in the DMV. Don't hit me, Tomar, y'all, y'all, y'all come into Baltimore, nigga. It's 35 minutes away. Bring your ass to D.C. for the night. That's true. We're not going to Virginia. Bring your ass to D.C. for the night. Oh, no, we may go to Virginia.

Maybe. Baltimore is a great crowd, too. No, Baltimore's great. I love Baltimore. They can make the trip. Make the trip. Come rock with us. Washington, D.C., March 23rd.

Howard Theater. get your tickets now. Tickets available, new Rorynmall.com. And yeah, let's have some fun. You got them in D.C.? No, I don't. I used to.

He thought about it. Come on. I don't. My brother's done. It's his birthday today. Happy birthday, Kendall's birthday? Yeah. 33, Larry Bird here.

No, happy birthday. I used to say, happy birthday to Lil King, but not Kendall. No, Kendall's the one that came to the D. Yeah, yeah. It was cool. I like him. They'll be there when we're back.

Happy birthday. the Kendall, man. Kendall's cute. Yeah, we know. He's engaged. Yeah, your brother's, the brother's absolutely cool. I don't stop baby D

from wanting to motherfucking suck that clip. Yo, what? Wait. He's a man. Candle's a man. Let's see, this is bad parenting right here.

That was awful. Your mother did not raise you this way. Mom, sorry. What's got to say? The fuck the thing is my mom's going to be like, oh, that's very nice. They made a shout out, and then you're going to say that.

Completely undercut the whole. That's what I'm messed my man right there. I'm nervous to say, how do I say this as respectful as possible? Because I don't want Mall to get mad at me. What? So I'm not really sure how to say it. Fuck him. I'm sorry, my bad.

You guys follow Mall's sister, right? Oh, that's my homie. That's my sister. That's family. Yeah, for sure, yeah. She did post a photo of Mall's mom, like back in the heyday on her IG story over the weekend. Oh, did she? Yes.

I liked it. You hearted it? Of course I did. Yo, what's up with you, bro? I, it just was a great fault. I was just a great photo. This is the end of the episode,

we could play all this shit out and do what we got to do right. Oh, let's come on. I mean this. If I'm an extremely respectable place, it just. It was a, it was. No,

you cannot. See, that's easy. It's always one in the crowd that got to end up getting, you know what I mean? Uh, your mom is very beautiful. Thank you. Now and then.

Thank you. Here come to disrespect. No, just... You know, the disrespect comes right after that. Just what, right? Your sister was alluding to, like, the Clay sisters in, like, that era. Mm-hmm. And I wanted to ask you, like, what, like, what that era was.

Because they looked like... Oh, no. They had Harlem on lock, is all I'm saying. They looked like they had Harlem on lock. No, my mom and my aunts were, they were... They were those sisters. Like, if you dated one, you're like, yo, I got one of the Clay sisters. Like, they was that grown-up home.

The way your sister... put the caption, like, everybody knows about the clay sisters. And I was like, oh, I want to, what are the clay sisters? Tell me more. Because, you know, you know how we do in our culture. They were all my, my mom and my aunts were all light skin. Yes. You know how that is.

Yeah. You know, growing up light skin and pretty girls and, you know, all the dope boys wanted, you know, to date them. My mom's came from that. I know my mom's was out. She was out in the streets. I could look at how your mom looked now and tell that she was one of the ones. Yeah. What you mean?

I'm trying to say my mom's was a hoochie? No. Like, when I say one of them. I mean, like one of the ones that like everybody wanted. You said Maul's mom would have gone on 20 women, one rapper? No, my mom was definitely when they did that. Oh, that's what I thought she was saying. Definitely not.

She would have been the one rapper. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 100%. It's fine. I mean, I don't know why she'd be posting shit like that? It was a really nice photo. She's free to do that?

No, she ain't. Why? That's her mom and so. And I feel like your sister's, isn't her IG private? It's mad low key. Her mom, he's mad loki. Yeah, but like, posting old pictures of moms. was like talking about yo she was what she said

she was one of the ones what she said like something about everyone knew the Clay sisters or she was reposting something on Facebook or some shit I don't want to misquote your sister because I love her to bring it Facebook to IG you don't cross promote you don't do that you don't put Facebook business on IG

there's rules yeah it is rules there's rules to the shit it made me an animal exactly you don't put you put Facebook shit or IG Demaris no exactly it's called social media etiquette my mom could have been a Amay model before I'm a

100% Yeah My mom sent me this photo Over the weekend Definitely It's a little swaggy in that I can't even lie They look like a good

Newport ad That might be In Van Cortland Park Oh that's Your mom Or that's at Mount St. Vincent Someone's Bronx for real Oh yeah

That's one's Mount St. Vincent Yeah I was I was conceived there So let me rep it Ew Do we have any more What

No fuck them voicemails man, Bobby crying and shit, Bobby. We love you, Bobby. Don't say, what? I just said we love. Bobby, open up your heart to your child. That's the first part. Bobby, raise your kids in love, man.

Everything else to figure yourself out. Just raise your kids in love. Love your kids. Teach them to love and everything work out. And accept your kids for who they are. Don't try to make your kids little you. And if they're different from you and you can't understand them, like just love them anyway. Don't like there's nothing wrong with them because they aren't you.

You can't understand and let them hang out with the cousin. I got living the projects for a few weeks. That's how you always get to me back on track. That's the best one. You want to see poverty. We want to see poverty this weekend. Show you how good you got it. Yeah.

My dad used to do that with us. Yeah, you got to do that to your kids. The poor cousins is important. Take it to the poor cousins. Let them run around all night. Let them try to find the space in the crib to lay down to sleep. There ain't no beds. Get your jacket, ball it up.

You know what I'm saying? That's your pillow. You know what I mean? Take that little sofa. That piece of the couch, put it on the table. top of you. Oh, the couch. That was always my mom's side. Yeah, that's how you got to get that. My dad's side

did I, my mom's side, I was like, these people are crazy. Yeah. So good. These people are poor as fuck. Holy shit. I don't like it over here. That's real. You got to go to your poor cousin's house, man. Um, his character. We'll close right now, but I do want to give a

huge congrats to Little Nas X. He's on pace to be number 80 on billboards congrats your rollout did great bro that that spectacle you made did so well

I mean is this the fall of Christianity do people not like that this is the fall of Little Nazex people don't like God anymore he's on pace to be number 80 I mean that's not bad though it's not bad for any other artist

besides Little Nazex what would be acceptable everything he does is a spectacle number one at one or one or What did the Jack Harlow record do, the last one? I love it on me when one, yeah. What does it do with Lil Nas X? Oh, you're talking about the industry, maybe, that one?

Every time he's put on a single and made a spectacle and done a rollout, he's, if not been number one, close. He's number 80. It's number 80. It didn't work. It's a slow build. A grower, not a shower. Saying a little Nas X record is a slow build is fucking crazy. Especially when you turn it. Watch it.

Watch it. Watch it take off. He'll do some shit. It's one of those. You know, you got to let it resonate. Look, bro, not everybody. Jesus was a slow build. Now look.

Not really. The thing is Jesus was a slow build. It's hilarious. He was. It took a while. Took a while from the pop. I mean, look it. They hated him in his time.

That's true. You learned that from the Book of Clarence? Yeah, for sure. I was one of the two people that saw it. Good movie. As someone that was, my mom was a Sunday school teacher, CCD, that whole shit. I always asked and never got to answer, like, what Jesus did for, like, 20 years. Mid carpenting.

Like what was Jesus? There's not one piece of furniture he made. We had when he was born, you know. Trash carpenter. Obviously, it was December 25th. Obvious. Everyone knows that. What happened after the main?

We went from manger to walking on water at 30. What was he doing in between? What happened? Like, what was his upbringing? Hide down some tunnels. How was the prophet just chilling for 30 years? That's all the prophet got to do is chill. I do nothing else.

I'm a profit. I ain't doing shit. I know what the fuck going to happen. You run it around stress. You know who my daddy is? You're doing shit out here. All I know is if I was 13 and had the ability to turn water to wine, we wouldn't have gotten a 30. No, definitely not.

Yeah, that would have been a quick run. The parties I would have had? Yeah. When I had a fake ID at 14, I was the man. Imagine if I could turn water to wine. It's lit. Yeah. Anyways, shout out to Jesus.

Shout out to Jesus. Shout out to James Sam. Shout out to Book of Clarence, man. Go see the movie, support black directors, support black artists. And again, we'll be in D.C. March 23 at the Howard Theater at new Roryamall.com. Now, go get your tickets.

Subscribe to the Patreon, new Roryamall.com. Subscribe to the YouTube. Merch is still available. Some new merch coming soon. Yeah. Only fans on the way. That's really all we got.

You got the only fans go? Maybe. Okay, so what's up? Listen, man. Got to support the kids. All right. Bye. Just say fucking bye.

Would y'all subscribe out of curiosity? No. To your only fans? I'm never that curious. Okay. Fair enough. Roy, I would never subscribe to your only fans. I wouldn't subscribe to y'all's either.

I'm not offended. If I started only fans, you want subscribe to it to support? No. All right, all right. No, because you answer that to you. What are you doing on your own? Yeah, like, I mean, I'm not sucking people. Bushing it open?

Well, then that's a shitty Only fans. That would be my first thing to you. But you're busing it open? Like, you butt naked? No. So what you're doing? What are we doing here?

People do other things on OnlyFans. They're in the fucking way, man. You're not hooked on phonics. I'm just going ahead and say it in 2020. If you ain't on Only fans busting it open. You're doing the bare minimum. Yeah, like get the fuck out the way, man.

We're trying to see the pink and the brown, man. That's what we're trying to see on the only fan. Ain't nobody coming to see anything else. Don't let them lie to you. We don't want to see them nipples. We don't want, fuck them nipples, man We see them nipples at the club We don't need to fuck them nipples

If you ain't busing it open Get off only fans, man Pink and Brown You're never curious This is gonna sound creepy We should really end now You don't sometimes see a girl And just like wonder what the ratio's like

No on the nips Yeah Never mind New Roryamall.com The ariola Yeah So good You look a big ariola

I'm a fan of all shapes and sizes But I do wonder Remember when someone said Mall got big aerolas? That was a fact though that's not you saw them that's crazy

but I just yo yo a nigga having big aerolas is fucking crazy you know what niggas got big aerolas now we're doing this

what niggas got big aerolus you want to name them yo yes what nigga I what do you know what dude you know got big aerolas chill man chill niggas be having big aerolas

I've been at the public pool yeah there's some yeah oh you're talking about like big guys like fat guys no you More often it's a bigger guy. More often it is a bigger guy.

You're like the puffy one. Ain't no slim, nigga. No big aerioling. I'm sure it's out there. That's not out there. He need to be in a zoo. Stop. Put that nigga in a pet in zoo.

I don't know if this is like offensive. Sorry, Maul. What if, like, Moll's Vidalgo, like, was only on his aerial. You got white nipples? That would have been the funniest thing on earth. If I had white nipples, that'd be fire. Mm. You have one white.

Zebra nipple ass, ass, bitch. That'd be fire. Look, look like, If you had Vitilago on your nipples, I would ask you during an episode on camera, it's like, can I see? And I would definitely tell you that we had no longer worked together. Right after that, I'm like, yo, I don't know what lifestyle you went to, homie. They don't a lot. That's not my business model.

I would just, that's the, no, that's not hip-hop. That's not my business model. You know what I'm saying? Niggas ask me to see my nipples. That ain't my business model. That's all I'm saying. We're not doing that over here. You know what I'm saying?

If that's your company, that's just, yo, listen. Do what you do. We're not doing that over here. here. Yo, we'll talk to y'all later on this week. Have a safe week. Be blessed. Be safe. Happy birthday, Marl Luther King Jr. The dream still loves on. I'm that nigger. He's just ginger. Peace. No, Warren, now. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.