New Rory & MAL - Episode 239 | Doubling Down With Chris Brown & Quavo

Episode Date: February 2, 2024

It’s funny how a clip you release can be taken out of context and spread all over the internet ultimately leading to endless hate. Oh well, we’re here to double down. Once again, the full Chris Brown & Quavo conversation is available on Patreon. (0:00) Today we briefly recap the viral moment and which leads to Mal & Demaris arguing again. We react to Nicki’s saying Meg wanted her Rihanna moment (35:19) . In the last bit of beef (pause) Mos Def responds to Drake (53:00). In far more important music news Universal Music Group pulls their music from TikTok (59:25). We discuss who this hurts more in the split. It’s time for voicemails (1:28:38). We talk over love languages (1:33:07) . Rory shares what artist he lost his virginity to (1:55:30) and we make sure to include his trauma. Tune in as the guys discuss all of this + more!Follow The Team:Rory - https://www.instagram.com/thisisrory/Mal - https://www.instagram.com/mal_bytheway/Julian - https://www.instagram.com/julian__nicholas/Demaris - https://www.instagram.com/demarisagiscombe/Merch: https://newrorynmal.com/Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalYouTube Subscribe: https://rb.gy/hk7up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The man in the yellow hat. This is a mart. We made T-shirts for her birthday. Oh, see, now that's cool. See, that's a cool shirt now. I'm a counselor. You should have said that. You should.

I'm a counselor. You're not a counselor, actually. You're a victim. You're a victim. Not at Camp Mara. No. Take revenge from the conversations we have.

This is not a megastar. Let's argue. Wait, bleep that so we don't get demonetized. Don't put your hat down. Huh? Oh, I didn't know we started. My bad. No, we're here.

You and DeMaris, 10 minutes ago, we're going at it for a smooth half hour. That's why she got on her, Mary J. Blodge. I don't want to provide no more glasses. because she was wrong and he was killing on the internet for the last 48 hours. The first thing Moll says when we walk in

is are you guys here to apologize and I am not here to apologize I am here to double. Julian had asked you that okay. You hear to apologize. Yeah. I asked you,

I said, oh, y'all, you're going to double down and you was like, yeah, you know, you put your hands on your hip, yeah, I'm going to double down. And first of all, I tried to forget that that was Julian that asked that question.

Talk about throwing a rock and hiding your hand. Oh, his hands hit his... Wait, me and Damaris need to apologize. If we need to apologize, you need to apologize as well, but we'll get to that later. You yelled, yeah, you and DeMaris was harmonizing over there whatever thing Rory was saying.

The best thing about this is the... Big ad libs. The clip came, like, you know, usually when people clip things and it's out of context but it's like someone else that clips it. The clip came from us. Oh, for sure. Like, the clip came from Peach. So it's Pete's fault.

That's who the clip is like love and hip hop. They can only edit and clip what you say. But shout out Peach because I didn't look bad in the clip. So for that, you and DeMeras. need to defend yourself. No, but you was, you was, yeah, yeah, yeah. You were the marriage.

They're right. But the clip didn't catch that part. They're right. He was in there. I'm on their side still. All right. Warren was barely getting killed. They were on my ass.

Well, it was because of the boy's sweet 16 bar that you got off at the end. And we'll get to it. And then you was like, I was like, based over what? You was like, well, the Migos are bigger in name and recognition than Chris. I think people was like, no, that's wrong too.

Let's give people some context because that clip sure didn't. Was it our Patreon episode? It was our Patreon episode. Subscribe to our Patreon right now. If you want to see the actual full conversation is there. Forward slash New Roy and Mall. We were having a conversation about Chris Brown and Cuevo being at the rude fashion show.

And there being a possible tiff between the two of them. They had to sit next to each other. Then we argued who would have to get up if they didn't want to sit next to each other, which put us down an entire Cuevo versus Chris Brown rabbit hole. It was clipped by our beloved page that, that made it seem like we were arguing Cuevo and Chris Brown who is more relevant music-wise

left out that Demeris and I were making a point that Cuevo to Gen Z fashion world is status is just as relevant as Chris Brown's right now. Rude, rude, and I want to bring up that again. We're not talking about Gucci. We're not talking about rude. It's funny because my friend in fashion said

Cuevo is also more favored in Gucci and Louis Vuitton as well. Now, do we think Cuevo and Chris Brown should even be in the same sentence as far as music goes? No. Absolutely not. But for some reason, we still argued before we got on this microphone. And I'm still here to stand on every last point that I say. And Demer is getting killed for the Sweet 16 thing. I still think somebody that has a Sweet 16 in 2024.

Let's take Sweet out because Sweet is driving all fucking crazy. So let's just say 16. driving me crazy at all. You said it. Let's just say 16 birthday party. You said boys have sweet 16. You said, no, I'm going about what you said. You said, I'm going about what you said. You said boys have sweet 16. Okay. So if I take the sweet out of it. Every, every, every, every boy that's 17 has had a 16th birthday party. We know that. That's how numbers go. You said boys have sweets. There is a whole type of fucking difference between sweet 16 and 16th birthday party. I had a 16th birthday party. I didn't have a sweet 16th.

Let's say a boy's Kinseera. That's, definitely. 15. I'm aware. Okay. About mitzvah. Do you think they want to have Cuevo or Chris Brown there? Boys? Huh?

Oh. Never mind. Yeah. Pinceaneda is like nothing. But yeah. Oh, so I'm right again. I'm writing Spanish. Ha!

What do you know? I'm writing Latin. Cuevo's name sounds Spanish, though. Guavo. Guavo. Guavo. Guavo. So I think I'm right.

that one. Yeah. Yeah, quabble. That's all it is. Thanks for that, y'all. It's quabo. Do I have to pause if I say pass the quabo? It depends on what you're asking him to pass. But I loved our screaming match that we had off camera. I just don't know if Demaris, DeMaris, I'm here to stand ten toes with you. If Maul wants to bring his points up, I'll argue your side. I'm with So let me, to DeMaris's point, Rue, their fashion, the kids, and that wear Roo, whatever that means. I don't know what that means. So you think that if Rood had, if Roo was doing their next campaign for their spring line. And they reached out to Chris Brown and Cuevo.

And then Chris Brown caught when that Cuevo was going to be a part of the new campaign. If Chris Brown hits Ruege and says, yo, I am not going to be a part of that campaign if Cuevo is a part of it. You think Ruegi would not say, okay, cool, we'll take Cuevo out of it? to have Chris Brown who was the bigger star? No, I don't. Well, one, I don't think you would reach out to both of them knowing that they have beef together, but let's go with the hypothetical.

Even when Chris Brown was at his peak, and I hate that this has just made me someone that is shitting on a legend. When has anyone ever tried to dress like Chris Brown? And this is called, I'm not a fashion guy. I'm wearing a yellow t-shirt with my daughter's name on it and corduroys. I know I'm not the fashion guy.

And I shouldn't really be the one. It's not about trying to dress like. These kids try to dress like the Migos. But this is what I'm saying. They have a fashion part of their brand where Chris Brown is not a bad dresser, but no one's been like, yo, Chris was the style icon. Now, it was in my inbox saying Chris put that shit on. So, you know. Okay, so I had on a big button up at the same time, but that was because of a hoe.

That wasn't because of Chris Brown. But what you're missing is. I was singing, yo. Okay, but what you're missing is, if you have a fashion line and you are trying to put out a campaign, naturally you would want the bigger star a part of your campaign. I would rather have someone that's a little bit lower of a star, lower of a star,

because Quava was lower as a star. You said a little bit? In the world. I changed. Okay. I stopped myself. How much? Because we're talking about the whole world.

Mm-hmm. Not just the fashion world. I would rather take someone that is a lower star that is known for fashion and is in the fashion world and can touch the younger kids' paws than I would just a superstar that has no ties to fashion whatsoever. But that doesn't make sense because you're selling fashion to the world.

Yeah, so let me go with the person that's known for dressing to the kids right now. You're selling fashion to the world. You don't want just kids buying your clothes. You want the world to buy a clothes. When kids, I don't mean just children. I mean, people in their 20s do. I'm a kid. I'm early 30s.

To the world. You create clothes. You want to sell it to the world. Adults buy clothes. adults buy clothes for younger children, whatever. What I'm saying is you would want the bigger star that's a bigger star to the world to push your product

versus somebody that's just cooler in certain sex. I got you. Every fashion house has a target audience. They all have target audiences. All right, you actually beat me to it. If they were doing a target clothing or J.C. Penny, and it's not me shitting on Chris Brown as far as how he dresses.

But if you were doing a target ad campaign, Chris Brown, yes, would be your go-to because he is a star amongst the world. He has a recognizable face. He would look good in the clothes. Rude is a huge company, but it's of the culture. Yeah, they're selling $600 basketball short. Yeah. That's where you would maybe want to lean more to the Cuevo side.

Do you realize that this show was in Paris? Yes. And also, for the record, Cuevo walked at the Louis show in 2021. So there's that, too. And he's walking on other shows. Quavo like the point is Quavo's more integrated in that scene. It's harder to sell rude if you're doing a backflip instead of walking. You can't see the clothes.

Nakers is like, have Quovo ever did a back, a front flip? The merch, Madness on beat. I said, if y'all don't get the fuck out my inbox, bro. So, and we don't have to like, you know, continue this conversation too much further because it is on Patreon. Yeah, I'm not even giving this topic no more energy. Y'all are wrong. Y'all are wrong. You all are wrong now.

But it is what it is. Y'all are not making no sense. Chris Brown is a. bigger star. He's a super star. You would want your product on a superstar because they have more eyes on the superstar than a guy that's just famous and popular in certain circles of the industry.

Like the circles of the industry, like the circles that are wearing rude clothing. They were both invited to the show Demaris. They were both sitting front row. Which means, this proves your point more than ours. No, no, it doesn't. Because my initial point was if Chris Brown had that much of an issue with Quayorrault, and he didn't want Cuevo sitting here, I can promise you and 1,000% guarantee you that Ruegi himself would have came out

and asked Cuevo to move to another side if that meant Chris was gonna walk out of that show. I guarantee y'all that. Ruege would have asked Cuevo, yo, bro, I don't want no issues. Can you just move over here? If Chris Brown requests that. And in reverse.

Because Chris Brown is the bigger star. And he wants Chris Brown at his show. And he wants Cuevo there too. Of course he does. He was invited. So obviously, but if it meant that, Chris Brown was going to turn and walk out of that door if he asked to move Cuevo and they didn't, I guarantee Ruegie would have stopped everything he was doing and went to Cuevo personally

and asked him to move. Guaranteed. And that's all I was saying. And only a superstar or a star that is bigger than Cuevo can request that and do that. That's all I was trying to say. I'm trying to sell hockey gear. Is Chris Brown going to be my best option to sell it as a model? No. He's a star, but that's not his world. Like, I don't understand what you. Your point was that you should always go with the bigger star, the more recognizable person if you're trying to sell something. And I'm saying not that rude is niche per se, but it is a specific type of fashion in a specific culture. It doesn't mean you should just go with the biggest superstar. If I'm trying to sell hockey gear, that's a specific culture.

You don't just grab a recognizable star. You want someone that's close to your consumer and what they also want to do. Right. But as you know, with any campaign, they always go with a star. a superstar. We see campaigns Calvin Klein all up and down Fifth Avenue, Madison Avenue. They're not getting somebody that's just like, they're going to aim for the biggest star they can get at the moment. That's all I'm saying. Now, Cuevo was invited. Like Mark Wahlberg? Whoever. Quavo was invited and Chris was invited. All I was saying was if Chris had a real issue and didn't want to sit next to Cuevo and he requested that they moved Cuevo, Ruegi personally would have moved Cuevo. I asked him, Yo, because I don't want to make it seem like I'm like, like, Aquavo, get the fuck out of it. We don't want to be disrespectful.

That's Quaver. But Ruegi would ask, Yo, Quavo, do me a favor, bro. Just sit on this side because I don't want it to be, you know, any issue. That's what I'm saying. And only a superstar or a star bigger than Quavo could request that. That's all I was saying. Well, Amara's first actual birthday couldn't have came at a better time.

I was completely off my phone for this entire exchange. I checked my mentions sort of last night. Can you guys fill me in? on what happens on the internet? In regards to what? This going viral? I understand Quavo replied. I got a bunch of calls.

I understand Chris Brown replied. I got a bunch of calls from people that work in industry asking if the conversation was real. They thought it was like something we were just doing just for clicks and shit like that. And I was like, no, it was a real conversation. There's so much more context to it and nuance to it, which we're not going to get into here. Because the actual conversation was had on Patreon. Go find it if you want it there. But yeah, the clip wasn't addressing what we were actually talking.

At all. at all. But I think so people coming to your defense in those comments and you coming in here and be like, I told them it doesn't apply because it wasn't what we were talking about. They had no idea what the fuck we were talking about. Well, I think based on the slips, if you say that Chris Brown, if you said the Migos is a bigger name than Chris Brown, people don't care what the context is. They're not.

But that wasn't the argument. But that was something that was said and people are responding to what they saw that was said. Okay, but that doesn't make them right in our argument. But that was false. D'Amigos is not a bigger name in Chris Brown. They had a run more recent than Chris. You're talking about a run. That doesn't mean you're a bigger name.

Chris Brown is a household name. I'm never going to take that away from Chris Brown, but that just wasn't the argument. So people in my inbox yelling at me talking about front flips the March Madness on beat, that has nothing to do with the nuance of the conversation that we were having. So the shit went viral. It was out all the blogs and everybody's giving their opinions and calling me and Rory, all types of dumb fucks.

That's fine. but for a lot of people who got the actual conversation was like oh i get what charles talking about there were plenty of people who were backing us up but there were all i had the carbs whatever the male barbs are the carbs like they were in my fucking oh i thought that was a typo when you texted that no the carbs they're fucking like i don't know what it is about chris brown's fan base up because it wasn't women the crazy shit was i expected it to be women in between the ages of like 25 and like 35 right that's who i thought no it was 30-something-year-old men that were on my ass.

And I was like, oh, like, these are breezy fans. Like, the fucking, they were going crazy. The math that you did with the social media following, because I thought that was funny. In the episode. It's in the episode. It's not in the clip. I just want to talk about that.

Go ahead, Paul, bring it up. No, because DeMaris said, nah, those are people that subscribe, that followed Chris in 2008, and they don't even have their accounts anymore. That was a very obvious joke, though. In the episode, you could tell that it was a joke. They rolled over from Facebook.

Yeah. Also, 100 million more. He had his Instagram longer. I ain't even do that math. He's also been a star for, what, fucking 15 years longer than the fucking Migos. I ain't do that math either. Yes, he's going to have more followers. Do you think there is a world where someone can be hotter but not greater

than an artist at the moment? Of course. There's a lot of rappers hotter than Jay-Z right now. None of them are greater than Jay-Z. Ice spice is hotter than everybody right now. And do you think at certain events, especially for younger people, that could play a role in what is happening. But hot only means that, see, because hot is

if you're more, if you're seen more, like if you're out more, you're more accessible, you have more events, you're more doing, that means you're hot. You've got features that are currently in the marketplace. But Chris Brown has one of the biggest songs out right now with Davido. Yeah, it's a big record.

No disrespect. So I'm saying, like, so what does it mean when y'all say that? It's like Chris Brown's record right now is hotter than any record, Quavo has out right now. Also, we were trying to explain in the full, conversation, the times we're in now. We've, we've had this combo separately. Music isn't what makes you the most relevant now. Sometimes it's just brand recognition, who you're dating, what you're doing online.

Yeah, that's bells and whistles, though. That's how you dress it up. We always got to go back to- and hotter doesn't have much value compared to greatness, because we were arguing too, that there was a time when Migos run, music-wise, was significantly hotter than Chris Brown. At one point, Fettie Walk was hotter. than everybody. But Chris Brown's been around for 20 years, so that's what speaks to greatness. Our point was based off who was hot at the moment. And that changes things. If Ice Spice would have walked into that rude fashion show, she would be royalty. She'd take precedent because that's just how marketing and the world works right now with face recognition to a younger generation. As hot as Ice Spice is, I don't think that if she walks into a fashion event in Paris right now,

she still is a hotter or a bigger conversation than if Chris Brown does. Only because Chris Brown is not seen at these events like that. So if he decides to come out and goes to these events, it's like, oh, shit, Chris is here. And also, I don't want to put that on Roots as a brand's jacket. They have much more integrity as far as that goes. But there is plenty of huge brands that do not care as long as that person is famous that week. They are going to come on in. Yeah, but it's a difference.

Look at the people that now get invited to. to the Met Gala out of nowhere. Influencers. Who was it? Cardi B bringing up, like, how long it took her to get there, and then now people Yeah. you could be hot that week, and Anna Winters, like, come on in. Didn't Anna Wintor take Ice Spice to the Matt Gala? Yes.

That's crazy. Which is like, that's what we were saying, what speaks to what's happening right now. Sometimes it does not matter how great you are. It matters, are you relevant this week? Which is fucked up, but that's the world we live in. Yeah, but that's why I said it always goes back to the product, though, the music. Like, cool, you could have other things going on. To us, for sure.

I'm saying to just in period. That's what matters. Like, cool, you can be hot and have a viral moment and have this going on. But like, okay, what is it that you do? You're an artist. What is your music sounding like? What is your impact in that world? If your impact in that world is subpar, then it's like, okay, you may get invited to an

event here and then. But it's like when a person that is like a legend in that field in their craft walks into a room, there's going to be. a bigger talk about that person because that is a solidified certified legend standing right there. That's not just somebody that's hot. That is somebody that is a legend. Legends cool off and just disappear and go live life and do them. That doesn't mean that when they decide to come out, that's not still a legend that's standing in. And to us, I agree with you. But right now, the environment we live in, hot is more relevant than legend.

That's just what it is. Like, I don't support it. I don't like that as a way. But that is what it is. Not in the long run. But I'm saying for short terms. Who's going to get more shares? That's what it's about. I think it was fun, though. I think it was fun for the internet to have fun with the clip and laugh about it and people

to curse people out in the comments and things like that. But they do think that y'all are some stupid motherfuckers. I just want to let y'all know that right now. Wouldn't be the first time I was called that. Me neither. That's cool. Nobody under the age of 25 was calling me stupid, so I don't care. But anyway, I'm glad that our clip.

When we pick our clips, we pick our clips to, you know, do their thing. We never know which one is going to real. really, really do its thing, and we deal with the aftermath, it will come. So if people want to laugh and call us stupid, that's perfectly fine. But before we get off of this, though, in your heart of hearts, like right here in the caught us on. You really feel like 16-year-old girls would rather see Cuevo than Chris Brown? Seriously, though.

I'm not going to start throwing shit. In your heart, you feel like 16-year-old girls would rather see Cuevo than Chris Brown. Seriously. We just saw some white girls say she would suck and fuck Chris every day. White women! She was 18. Chris was like, yo, I'm flattered. You're too.

young. That's 18. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but what platform was she on? Twitch. Had some contact. No, it's not a shot. Switch is a great platform. Aidan Ross and Chris Brown had a stream and she didn't think it was real. She thought it was pre-recorded.

And then when she thought they were really like on camera with her, she just decided to get her shit off. And she said, I'm dead serious. I was sucking fuck you every day. Chris was like, whoa. Like, flattered, but you're too young. But you telling me that a woman would want to suck and fuck Chris Brown. It doesn't surprise me.

No, I'm just saying that young girls What's a point that blew me away? No, but to what DeMaris is saying, young girls would like to see the light-skinned handsome guy that can sing and dance before the rapper that's going to come to the party. Young whores would fuck anybody that's famous. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm not calling them,

I'm just saying young girls. Okay, if you get on any generation. Say I'll suck and fuck you, you're a horn training and you need back to. What I'm saying, Rory. Say it privately. What I'm saying is, like a real ho. What I'm saying is,

young girls, Yeah, we're just sucking fuck them. We're just doing that. What I'm saying is, young girls would rather see a guy that can sing and dance any generation. When a guy can sing, if you was the guy in school that could rap,

it was like, oh, that's cool he could rap. If you could sing and dance, every girl in the school would want to date you. And, Ma, this is where I want to bring up your age. I just said any generation, any generation. Singing and dancing is more attractive than rap. rapping with jewelry on. What are you talking about?

That's what you don't understand. Any generation is more attracted to singing and dancing. That thing. It takes more skills to sing and dance. Okay. Let the mayor speak for a younger generation. What I'm trying to. She can't speak.

She's 30. She's not 30. I'm not 30. How old are you? 29. Okay, she's 29. What I'm saying, I'm not even speaking for myself. What I'm saying is I don't understand how you can't see the difference in how rap has

really, really taken up. Rap was always, has, it's always. been big. Rap has gotten bigger since you were in high school. Are you seeing what I'm saying? These young girls now love rappers. The singers ain't it. They was saying for so long that R&B was fucking dead.

That's not for no reason. That's literally, they're not saying that for no reason. Because rap has taken over the rap star. Demaris. That's why you have so many female rappers now. They're not trying to be singers. Chris Brown is not just an R&B singer. But I'm not fucking talking about Chris Brown.

I'm not even talking about. That's exactly what we're talking about. No, you're talking. I said, their names out of it because I don't even want to make this about them anymore. Okay, so a pop star, a pop star. He's not a pop star. Who? Oh my God. Chris Brown's not a pop star?

Oh my God. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? What makes Chris Brown a pop star? What makes Chris Brown a pop star? Hold on. Chris Brown is not a pop star? What makes Chris Brown a pop star? Yo, is that, no, seriously, seriously. At this moment, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? No, I'm asking you. What makes him a pop star? You think Chris Brown is not a pop star? What makes him a pop star? What makes him a pop star? Quickly, what makes him a pop star? You got it.

You speak for all 16-year-olds, bro. The fuck. You just sat here and said Chris Brown is not a pop star. You can't tell me what makes him a pop star? You can't? Can I get some help on this?

Are you just gonna like let her get a shit off? Well, what makes him a pop? If you guys were yelling, I didn't want to interrupt. Is Chris Brown a pop star? I think he is, yeah. Is Chris Brown a pop star, Julie? But is Chris Brown a pop star? What makes him a pop star?

That's the only time I've disagreed with Demarzen this time. Is Chris Brown a pop star? What the fuck are you asking me? I'm asking you a question. Is Chris Brown a pop star? Kind of. I agree that Chris Brown makes pop. No, listen, I agree that Chris Brown makes pop music.

I agree that Chris Brown makes pop music. What are you talking about? Chris Brown's a pop star, but you did glide over an amazing point that she made and changed the subject. That was a little gas lady. These girls listen to moody R&B, no R&B that they love, they dance. They don't really even sing. I never said that. I like it.

I ask a direct question. Is Chris Brown a pop star? But before that, you changed the subject. You changed the subject. But that's what I'm saying. And you said, no, he's not a pop star. But you were having a whole question. Okay, you deflected off a great point she made.

Cool, what was it? What was the point you made? The conversation we were having where you said that young girls these days are in high school would rather see what are more attracted to a guy that can sing a dance than a rapper. And I'm telling you that that's an outdated concept because R&B has become outdated. Okay, cool. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That type of vibe.

Cool. I heard that point. And then I said, Chris Brown is not just R&B, he's a pop star. That's what I said, right? Okay, now let me say what I'm saying. So let's clarify this. Pop stars don't dance anymore.

Do I think that Chris Brown makes pop music and good pop music? Yes. I do not think that Chris Brown is considered a pop star. I also think that Beyonce makes pop music. Does Beyonce get awarded pop fucking Grammys or does she get awarded R&B Grammys? Does Chris Brown get nominated for pop grammies or does he get nominated for R&B Grammys. We have had this fucking argument the same way that they kept saying that Doja Cat was rap

back when she was pop. Not this last album, but before that Doja Cat was pop, she was not wrapped. But us as black artists do not get classified as pop stars even when we make pop music. So when you're asking me is Chris Brown a pop star? To me, yes. But no, he is not an Ariana Grande. No. No, he's not. Favorite pop rock mill artist. He won that in 2008. Okay, what else?

Keep scrolling because that was 2008. That was what? Favorite so R&B artist won, Artists of the year. He won one award that has pop in it. One out of all his awards. He's not considered a pop star. I don't say that.

I love Chris Brown's music. He makes pop music. But he is not considered a pop star. I'm not fucking crazy for saying that. Who's a pop star in your opinion? Pop stars are people like, let me think, let me think. White women.

Thank you. Like Dula Lipa. They're the only ones that get labeled as pop. That's what I'm saying. Well, Beyonce is a pop star. Beyonce is a pop star, but she's not considered that to this day. I think her last two albums were extremely R&B, but she's a pop star. Yes, but she was, she will never be considered.

And Chris Brown's one of those that his single is usually pop and then he has a lot of R&B on the album. I agree. Olivia Rodriguez, it's just white people. It's like little, when you say pop, it's little, teen white people. That's what's considered pop. So yes, he makes pop music. Yes, I enjoy the pop music.

Yes, he's a superstar. He'll never be labeled a pop star. It just is what it is. I didn't create that system. All right, to Maris's point, though. Like, I'm looking here. If Adele was black, she would not be considered pop, but I consider her pop.

What do you mean if she was black? If Adele was black and made the last four albums, they would call it Army. Yes. And that's just how they moved the goalpost. We've been complaining about that on this exact. Adele to me is a pop. and makes incredible R&B.

She's one of my favorite artists. But that's where race does kind of show itself. Rihanna and Sizzah sitting right there. Those are black women under pop star? Well, that was just a general Google search. I think Cizza recently became a pop star. Control that was a straight-up R&B album and it went pop. Cicester had two fights.

Cizzer had two fight to be considered a pop star. Also, Rihanna has never really made R&B. She hasn't made R&B in years. All right, but you agree that Chris Brown is a pop star. I do. Julian, do you agree that Chris Brown's a pop star? I agree what DeMaris said in terms of he makes music that is pop, but categorically he's not a pop.

So you don't think that Chris Brown is a pop star? He has records that are popular. Why does he think I won't answer the question? Do you think Chris Brown is a pop star? Yes or no. I think there's nuance to it. There's nuance to it, which is what DeMaris said. I don't want to repeat her whole point, but I like what she said.

What do you think the song I can transform you is? But that's the point. It's a pop, like someone that you can, Drake makes pop music. He's not a pop star. all of our favorite artists can make pop music but also do other Drake is an anomaly because he's in every genre and that's not fair. I think people that teeter the line of pop and R&B and have the numbers and the icon status are allowed to be called pop stars.

Chris Brown is one of those. Chris Brown is a how is this a, and this is what the internet is saying. How is this a real conversation? I asked you a direct, I asked you a direct question is Chris Brown a pop star and you can't even answer that. The answer is yes. The answer is yes. The answer is yes. Chris Brown is a pop star.

I said that and nobody disputed my turn. Chris Brown is a pop star. Chris Brown is a pop dispute what I said. It's no conversation. And it's okay. That's not a knock. It's actually like,

yo, he's a popular star. He makes popular music. How is this a fucking argument? How? Would you consider Prince a pop star or a rock and roll star? But see, that goes into a whole different thing. I'm not comparing Prince.

And Chris, I want to make that very clear, but somebody that teetered the line and the music that they made, you could really consider as rock and roll. Yeah. But it was pop. It was pop. Yeah. Michael, in my opinion, had a few R&B records, but he defined what a pop star is. That's pop, popular

fucking music. That's pop chords. It's pop writing. It's pop. Exactly. I'm gonna just go out on the limit to say... I'm gonna just go out on the limit and say that, if you're on a white guy's stream and an 18-0 white girl says, she would suck and fuck you. It's probably because you're a pop star. So it's blue, it's blue, Is blue face a pop star?

Not not because, not because you're putting way too much on 18 year old white women. I'm just saying because white girls love pop stars. White girls like rich people. White girls like black men. What the fuck are we talking about, bro? That's a good. Like, what the fuck are we talking about? Yeah, but she's not saying she wants to.

Black men that would have been on there there to offer the sucking fucking that was wrong. That's not, that's not true. Okay. I'm not saying it definitely would have. Okay. She wouldn't say. I'm not saying, I'm not saying she wouldn't have.

I'm not saying she wouldn't have. But nine times out of 10. little young white girls are attracted to pop stars. They only know about these gentlemen because they're pop stars. They're popular stars. They make popular music. How was this an argument? You can make popular music that's not pop.

And like, why are we acting? Why are we all acting dance? Yo, they literally, what I'm saying, there was young white girls at Gunn's show. I'm not saying. I'm not, I'm not saying they can't be. But I'm just saying, I'm not saying they can't be at a rap show. I'm not saying that.

I'm just saying this kid, Chris, well, not kid, this, Chris Brown, since his inception into the industry, has been compared to the king of pop. He's been compared to Michael Jackson since we've known about this. I'm trying not to say negative things about Chris Brown, but I have feel now that that was an awful take. Feel how you want to feel. Was it not a thing? Was it not a real thing? I liked that conversation people were having who was more talented. I know a lot of people thought that was blasphemous.

I thought that was a fair conversation. Who was more talented? If you see what Chris can do, art-wise, everything. He should never be in a sentence with Michael Jackson as far as a pop star. But it's not that he's in this. I think what people are saying was because he was so young, so talented, can dance, can sing, can perform at the level that he can perform. One of the greatest.

We may not have seen somebody do that at such a young age and demand an audience and captivate an audience with their performance as Michael Jackson. There's nobody that you can compare to Michael Jackson. Nobody. Michael Jackson is the bar. He's the one that if you're compared to him, that means you're fucking great. He's the bar. I'm not saying that...

There's been a lot of artists in the beginning that just got the nod of, oh, this is the next Michael. I'm sure the next Michael too for a while. When my way came out, that was... Another legend. Oh, for sure. But you see that they're... Both icons, but drastically different careers in how they even perform or make music. Like, it shouldn't even be in the same.

Michael is Michael. Like, Mike is Mike. I agree with you. And guess what? I listen to Usher more than I listen to Michael Jackson. But Mike is over here. We know that. That's not even, I'm just saying, when you're compared to a Michael Jackson, it's not

because you're just a R&B star. Yeah. Did Quincy? Like, who did? I don't know. I'm just saying that was the general consensus. I remember. So that's all I'm saying.

I don't know. I can't name the names of exactly who was saying it. But we all know that they was compared any time it was a tribute to Michael Jackson who was performing. Well, we didn't get the one we wanted. I'm just saying when there was a tribute. It should be, it should be Chris Brown. This is all I'm saying. And it's a reason for that.

There's a reason for that. I think that's. It's his talent level. It's attributed a lot because of how well he can dance. Not only how well he can dance, performing. A lot of people can dance. And perform, yeah, he's a great performer, though. Yes, but we also weren't arguing those.

I'm just saying there's a reason that he is in these conversations because of his talent level. But they also like, they also had similar octaves. He's very talented. That's why it makes so much sense because there's back to the Prince point. Who's the one they always say should do the Prince tribute? Why am I blanking? Other than her? Somebody else?

It was someone else. But either way, it's not always like somebody that's comparable. to them or even the best at the current moment or their era. It's someone that just kind of mirrors what their abilities were. Chris Brown, you can't. Yeah, like, they're not comparable, but we know Sierra could smoke all Janet choreography could sing to the best of her ability to perform that tribute.

That's why. That's the comparison. It's not like they should be in the same sentence. And that's no, not because I don't think anyone on earth should be compared to Michael Jackson. If they're given a tribute to Mariah, they're not going to go get Adele who can sing around. They're going to go get Ariana Grande.

Like it's a mirroring thing. It has nothing to do with you being as good as that artist or even being the next from that artist. But again, I want to move off of this because it sounds, you're making it sound like we're shitting on Chris Brown and I really don't like that. I said that? I said that. I give Chris Brown. No, no, that's just the, oh, listen.

I never said that. I was asking. Chris Brown has his, his flowers that he deserves for his artistry. But you're going to have to protect me in LA. That's all I'm saying. No, you good. he's like one of the few big artists I run

into every time I'm gonna like the way of you go? Every time Highlight room? The fuck you never seen him. Highlight room. Oh. And it was always love before.

It's just like two times he's commented and both times has been me saying something negative. Oh, he commented on something before? When we were talking about the selling out an arena thing. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, when y'all said he needed a little baby to sell. That's not what we said either. All right.

Anyways. Did anybody? You see, now you want to get off it. Like, don't do that. Stand on business. Stand on a big box. We already had the convoy. It's available.

Nah, nah, fuck that. We just say he needed a little baby. You were talking about support. That's all. Yeah, y'all... To bring him to Bruno Mars. Let's not leave that out. Yeah, there would see there's so much more to it.

Anyways, dude, did anyone see that We Are the World Doc? Before we get into some more messy shit, I do want to take... I want to cleanse with We Are the World Doc before we get to Nikki and Meg again. Fuck that. Fuck that.

Fuck that. We're standing on business this shit. We ain't moving on. say what y'all say the whole year we're doing Chris Brown exactly did you guys hear any of the Nikki spaces where she was talking about Meg I heard some yeah did I see the full what I think was a 30 minute conversation but I did see the moments

the biggest takeaway I saw from it was she specifically said with Meg sitting down with Gail she was looking for her Rihanna moment and that seemed to be the snippet that people were running with most It was a lot of her denying Coke and then saying she has more records and all that. But the biggest piece regarding this was her making this jab, including Rihanna, into the thing. So she said that Meg was looking for a Rihanna moment after being shot? When she cried on Gail, she was looking for her Rihanna moment because domestic violence is just like, yeah, you should get a moment.

That's what. Listen, I, it was a little distasteful. A little. A little. A little. And I was on the side, even though I didn't like Bigfoot, I was on the side of Nikki is allowed to say whatever she wants to Meg. But like, Rihanna is mine at her business with two kids. Why are you bringing me up? And Nikki knows her power.

She's a star as well. Like, you can't just don't bring me into this. What the fuck? Like, I've moved on. I'm married with kids. Leave me alone. it was weird. It was fucking weird. And I don't want to continue to shit on Nikki either.

But it's just been a weird week to say the least. It's just shaming somebody for abuse while. Okay. On the rap side of it, though, I did see there was a leak of the original beat to Bigfoot. Can we look up who produced the real Bigfoot? A little Jew. I'm sorry, what? It's a very sense of time.

And if the beat live, you know, little Jew made it. Megan's producer. There's words sometimes that you have to use. Oh, she had Megan. Little Jewish? Young Tunnel. Defensive. No, you just made it offensive.

Okay. Sorry. Anyways. He's the real, he's the culprit here. Bigfoot was not as bad when I heard it on the other beat. He made one of the worst disc records of all time based off the beat that he did and whoever mixed it. Because it wasn't that bad on the,

on the new beat. It was not great. There's a new beat. You're missing. You're missing. Okay. So, Maul, let me give you some back story. Meg's producer and her friend and like you hear her, her, like her, his drop is literally and if the beat live, you know, little Jew made it. Megan says it all the time. That's literally her producer from when she was coming up. He made a beat six years ago or however many years ago. Nikki has had that beat. Nikki attempted to do her Megan disc track on that beat. Jew wasn't clear the beat. That's my homie. That's what a lot of artists say.

Yeah. Like that's my. Wouldn't clear? Jew just wouldn't clear it. You can say that. Legal is always the toughest part to get through mall. Every single time. Copyright.

No, my question, I know he produced the original one. I'm catching mall up. That's what I'm telling you. Catch him all up. So yes. Rory is just trying to make. awkward jokes right now. No, I'm really not.

I'm trying to get to who produced the one that we heard on streaming. That I don't know. That's what I was asking. I know the backstory that he didn't clear it. And then Nikki was on live saying, that's the guy party was saying you were fucking for a beat. If you want to,

you could fuck Megan Raw. I get it. Whoever produced the one we heard first is who I think we should direct our anger at. Why would you direct your anger to him? She just picked another beat that she had. She picked another beat and put her, her bars on that new beat. That ain't the fucking producers' fault.

No, I would see a world where she just sent him the Acapella and he made the beat around it. No. That's the only world. Obviously, that didn't happen. She picked another beat that she had in the stash. That's what happened. It's the same flow.

You're just listening to the mix and the awful beat. Like, yeah, I think he just did a shitty job of taking an acapella. I think Nikki sent that Acapella out to a bunch of producers. And that was the one she chose, which is just a shitty, shitty beat. But if you hear the original, it's not great, but it would have hit way fucking different, like way differently.

Way better. She wouldn't have to post the lyrics. She wouldn't ask like, it was just bad. So that's, I don't want to shit on Nikki too much. I'll give her some. Well, let me not give her any bail there because you put that out. You pick that beat and you approve the mix.

So. All right. Fuck all that. Where do we think this is going from here? So does she release the five records? She put out eight versions of Bigfoot. She just put out her... She got ten versions of Pink Friday.

She just put out a... What was it? The last one that came out. It's a shorter version. She has the rap only, the clean. But Meg is doing the same thing. Meg has a chopped and screw for his. They do that to try to chart

because it's for some people who already listen to the original record to go listen to the new version and it's all chart games. Well, to Mal's point, Does Megan? Our games with beef records is hilarious. Does Megan respond? Especially when Ben Shapiro outcharted both of me.

That's a sick game they playing right there. Does Megan respond? I don't think Megan's going to respond. Not even after the Twitter's face? No. It's just, yo, man, I'm telling you, man. We're going to have to study this type of shit. Being shot and I know people like if she didn't get shot, bullet fragmentator, that's still considered being shot.

Those people that said she wasn't shot at all. We know that people still think, you know, whatever they want to think Tupac is in Q. But we know that. What I'm saying is, if somebody fires a weapon and bullet fragments hit you, you were shot. Oh, I can tell you guys now, if bullet fragments hit me, I'm coming in here on this microphone and bragging about how I was shot. I mean, but you would. And I would continually tell everyone even out of context, no conversation, like, listen, you don't even know what it's like to get shot, though. Yeah.

Like, I would be that. But you would. If I just got hit by a little fragment. You just a little bit. And you would be in your right to say that. A mosquito didn't bite you. I'd be, I would get,

fucking bullet fragment hit you. I'd be at Ludlow, like, yo, you see this little scar? Yeah. Exactly. They kick your ass out. I just don't,

like if I was trying to shoot at a girl, I would, show him like, show my, like, next year, vaccine booster. What?

St. Roy would have a bullet hole next to like his 10 vaccine jabs. Listen. I would get shot before I, no, you know what? Anyway, yeah.

I don't want to just get demonetized. I don't, everybody, every time I talk, they say I'm caping for Meg, but I just, I just think you should be able to just get shot and actually have sympathy. But, you know. In conclusion, if no one really replies after this, this was just a cool moment for a few days that's going to pass. I thought this was a cool moment. I thought this was going to be a bigger deal.

It was 48 hours. Nobody cares. Things don't have the shelf lives that they used to. People move on. as soon as they click refresh, like, we don't care. That's why I made a statement to y'all a few months ago. I said, bro, if we were to see former President Trump killed, people would talk about it for 48 hours and move right the fuck on.

That's just the world we live in that. People don't give a fuck about anything anymore. No, if they went back and forth and Nikki had five records on ice and Meg replied to one, yeah, this would go for another two weeks, which two weeks in Internet time is like seven years. I don't even think it would go two weeks. If both of these records came out today, which is basically Friday, right? I don't think we're talking about this past Tuesday. All right, my last point to Meg has to reply.

She's put out two singles. She's shedding the snake skin or whatever. Yes. And his. Not a bite. You want bite? No, that's two back-to-back singles. This is a rollout.

Oh, no. Her album's coming. She's got that. I don't even think she was really anticipating that Nikki was going to reply or drag it the way she did. I think this was a rollout that the label and her were putting together already. She's going to have to show face an answer to shit. So if she doesn't reply to Nikki, are we about to say Meg the Stallion doesn't need to go on the press run? Because she does. No, she's not going to go on a flesh run. She has an album coming out. Yeah, she's not going to,

she's not going to reply because the one thing y'all are missing, she never said nobody's name. Come on. Come on. That's what she's going to stand by. She's going to stand behind it. She didn't say no name. She is. She already said that though. She said hit dogs. I was gonna holler. Yeah, she didn't say no names. This is Takeover in Ether. Even though Jay said names, but it was like it was a song on his house. The hook on Ether was fuck Jay-Z.

You bet on my dick. You love my style. No, no, no, no, no. You're missing what I'm saying. The interest, the first bar. You're missing what I'm saying. Takeover was on an album. Yeah.

Ether was a record that Nas just put together and threw out in response to that record. He's, wait, first of all, Jay said names on Take-up. No, I'm saying, but this version is Meg has an album cut. This is an album cut. Nikki's response is just a response to that. I don't think she's, she's not putting that on that project. I consider Meg a MC and a rapper and she would look super funny in the light the same way any other MC or rapper would. If you put out his, someone directly replied back to you, then you went on a press run.

And your response to Charlemagne and Envy was, I didn't say any names. But why not? You look. She didn't say any name. We would call any real rapper pussy. Like, let's get gender out of it. But what I'm saying is she did not say any names, though. Hit dogs, don't throw a stone behind your hand. Whoever, yeah, but whoever you decide to attach those bars to, that's on you because you can totally be wrong about that.

Like a lot of things that Damaris were saying, this ball was about that person. She could be wrong in a lot of that. She could be wrong in a lot of that. I know. I think it's safe to assume that the Megan's law bar is directed at Nikki. I think that's a very safe assumption. But at the end of the day, she didn't make, she didn't say any. anybody's name is what I'm saying.

So to go on a press run and be sitting there grilled about Nikki, Nikki, Nikki, I could see a word where she's absolutely like, okay, yeah, that's what you, okay. If you think that's what I was talking about, I didn't say anybody's name. And we don't have to, we don't have to drag this. I'm saying if she does a press run and her response to the Nikki stuff, if she does not reply to the disc, is I didn't say any names. She is going to look nuts and that's not going to be a good press run. She's going to look instant. I don't think so.

I think female rappers have If she does that I think Nikki puts out four disses in a row If she gets on any publications Like I didn't say any names If I'm Nikki I'm putting off four out I know Meg's gonna come out And say hit dogs holla and brush it off

And I don't blame her for that I don't blame her for that Because I think her shit is I said I said what the fuck I was gonna say Like she said in the diss I don't really know what the problem is But like go ahead

Jealousy from the opposition Like I don't know what the fuck your problem is, but go ahead. And the same way, the opposite way, I don't, Nikki didn't say her name and her, did she? She just like, Ma. Did she? I mean, come on. No. She said, I'm just, I'm asking, what you mean? Come on. I'm not saying she didn't say she wasn't talking about.

I'm saying she said her government name, but like, did Drake say Mee's name and back to back? Did he say push his name and Duffy freestyle? No, I'm not, I'm not saying that. I'm just asking. I'm just asking because this is going on her album. So she's ready to go on and press. She's ready to do media to support this, this album. So I'm saying if she goes up there and says, oh, I didn't say nobody's name. She's going to be absolutely right in saying that. She didn't say anybody's name.

She never mentioned Nikki at all. She didn't mention Drake or whoever else people are saying bars are attached to. She didn't mention nobody's name. Even though that's true, my point in response to that is she will look insane. Nah, I don't think she will. I think female emcees get a pass in that. Now men, I don't think they get a pass in that. Women, I think they have the luxury of saying, I didn't say no names.

I think women female emcees have that luxury. Why? It's just a difference. What's the difference? Females have the luxury saying, I didn't say nobody's name, whoever you think I'm talking about. I believe,

because you can't say a woman is pussy. You can't say that. Quote JZ again. I'm not talking to anybody in particular. Yeah, but he looks stupid. He was definitely talking about mad people. He said, I'm not talking to anybody in particular. He was talking to everybody.

Mm-hmm. We knew every single person he was talking about. But that was a bar. I mean, you know, whatever. But he said names, though, on other records, just not that particular. particular, well, record.

He came out and said names after that. Yeah, that's true. So, I mean, Nicky, Meg has that luxury. I think if she wants to go to press, and I'm not talking to, I'm not talking to. I'm not making this press run about anybody else other than Megan the Stallion and my album that's out now, whatever, whatever.

I could totally see her doing it. And if, and we're going to move on right after this, I promise. And if whoever she sits with lets her get away with that, you are now going to see me siding with Nikki in, that everyone is in on destroying her. If any interviewer lets Meg get that line off and moves on to, well, tell me about the producers on the project.

I'm with Nikki. Zane Lo. I am with Nikki Minaj on this entire thing. This industry is focused on getting me the fuck out of here because no one would let Nikki get that off. Or any other rapper, period. Yes, yes. Rock Nation is the boogeyman.

If Meg can get that off in an interview. they are the boogey. First of all, that doesn't correlate. And second of all, they let her get that off. They let her get that. If you're not, no, if you have somebody, first of all, we've had people on our show and there's certain shit, if a motherfucker's say they're not talking about something,

they're not talking about it. Either you're going to lose the interview because you're insistent. I'm making them talk about something that their PR rep told you that they don't want to talk about, or are you going to sit down and stick to the fine question on the sheet? But we're not the salacious podcast. Whereas Meg needs to go to platforms that are based. off salacious shit. Why do you think that Meg needs to go to the platforms that are based off salacious shit? I'm asking. Now I'm looking at you. No. You don't think Meg the Stallion needs to go to

platforms that are based off salacious shit. Why does she need to go? What I'm saying is, what I'm saying, so she should just go do rap genius and us? No, what I'm saying is everyone else is salacious. What I'm saying is, from what I see from what Meg is trying to do with her career, and I wish Nikki brought up that R Kelly Lidefield. That's what I've been seeing her career going to. She's trying to go towards the pop. Okay, I didn't say that she was. What I'm saying is she's trying to go towards the pop community. She just did a fucking song with Renee Rap. One of her other songs was with a pop star. She's been doing fucking songs with K-pop artists. Meg is trying to go towards the pop scene because the young white

girls love Meg. That can be true, but that's not where she is. And she needs to go to cultural shit. Why would she go to the culture? She needs to go see Jason Lee. When the cultural, the cultural podcast, the culture, not podcast. Y'all do know there's a world where she can do all of that right she can't of course but what i'm saying is she doesn't he's saying like she has to do that for her career no she hasn't because she's going to be going to all the fucking publications that have been kicking her fucking back in through that whole entire trial you think she don't got she don't feel a certain way about that oh and she has every right not to go to publications that's shit on her oh yeah well yeah i'm not i'm way of course but i think i think she can go

do hollywood unlocked i think she can go do something with zane low i think she can't Yeah. But to combat your point, Rory, even if it's those types of, like, salacious platforms, you still can have your publicists go in there and say, we're not talking about these three things. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. And I'm saying that's going to make her look crazy.

I don't think so. Not if it's not brought up. Then it's not even. I'm telling you, there's a difference. I think female artists, they get that past. And you're like, don't bring up certain shit. And they won't bring it up. And then it'll go out on YouTube and people like, huh, they didn't talk about it.

Yeah, but it's different if a fucking a male MC comes in. here and he's he made a record like that where we know who he's talking about and i'm like yo so what about that bar he's like no like i wasn't talking to nobody and it's like no if a woman said she ain't talking i'm not pushing the issue i'm like okay then let me mind my fucking business then and we're also not that pod that wants and goes after all salacious shit like but then again when in our world when benny and Gibbs were going at it we consider benny an associate we went directly at Benny and disagree with him about a lot of shit that was going on with that entire thing and wanted to resolve it.

But that's different because... Breakfast Club taking a Meg interview and not asking about this makes everybody look nuts. No, no, no, no, no. But it's different, though. It's different because Freddie and Freddie, this situation turned physical. It turned physical. No, I agree. I'm saying we didn't avoid them.

We didn't avoid the question. No, so at that point, at that point clearly they have a... You understand what I'm saying? This whole Nikki and Meg shit, do we think there's something there? Obviously, but it's not physical. Meg didn't say nobody's name in this record. So there's things that she could hide behind, like, whoever y'all think I'm talking about, that's on y'all.

She can definitely stand on that. She can hide behind that. Now, whether or not you think it's, it makes her look good or bad, that's subjective, but she can definitely get away with that, 100% for sure. I guess, yeah. Are we going to more rap beef?

Because I really want to get to UMG and TikTok if you can get through this. So much beef. We're putting so many people against each other. And it's Black History Month. I know, right? What are we doing? Where are we even?

Martin had a dream, man. He had a dream. This is not Martin's dream. Were you greats? Why they not beefing? What the fuck Jack Harlow doing? Yeah. The CIA killed JFK.

What are you talking about? That was like 100 years ago. Yeah, y'all do for a new one. A white being murdered? Yeah. Jeffrey Epstein. Nah. He was one of their goats.

He's in St. He really break it down to a lot of people. Epstein was him. Yeah. To a lot of people that have money and influence, he was the one. Yeah. He wasn't no Kennedy, though. Y'all is sick for bringing up Jack Harlow, like you want harm to happen.

Oh, who's y'all? No. I didn't say, anybody wants to happen to anybody. I did not expect Yassim Bay to get on Instagram and discuss this Drake thing. But what is he doing more press for? Yassine? Yeah. This is press, him sitting on Aji Lai?

Compared to doing no press or getting on Instagram for 20 years, yeah, I would say so. After putting out an amazing black star album. No, he, he, two years ago. They didn't do any press. No, he sat down. He did Qualies podcast. He sat down on a podcast and he made a comment about one of the biggest recording artists in the world. And I think that he started receiving some backlash for it and starting to see his name, be attached to some things.

And he felt like what he said was like taken out of context maybe. So he wanted to add more context to it. And then letting people know he reached out to Drake via DM, via Dave Chappelle and other people that probably have access. and communication with Drake to basically clear up and make sure that, you know, he didn't want to seem like he was disrespecting Drake's talent or Drake's craft. And I understand that because sometimes you say things somewhere

and it grows legs and you're like, whoa, that's not what I was, kind of like what I was saying about Chris Brown, right? Same shit, but this was a little more direct and personal. So I think that this is... Nothing like that. Most... No, when you say things and it goes viral and it was taken out of context, And now there's a, now there's a, I know, I know almost.

You know what you're saying. And now you think that the artist may have an issue of what you said and feels a way about what you said. So this is most like, like, nah, hold on, I want to clear this up. I don't want it to seem like I'm discredited in Drake and saying he's not talented and he's not dope. I just think that I, what we said is he requires more to say somebody is hip hop. He requires you to. Yeah, he didn't walk it all the way back. Yeah, he didn't walk it.

He was just trying to give more context to what he was saying, like certain substance, during certain times of the world, things that are going on. Hip hop is a voice of the people. You should address certain things culturally, certain things politically and things like that that are going on that are happening, which is what he was saying he would like to see Drake do more of. And this is another one of those part in my face moments while I speak. I did disagree a bit with Yassine on that.

Like, if Drake's not that guy, should he force certain type of substance or speak for a certain community. I would rather not. Because if you're not from that, you're not from that, don't speak on it. The same way, and I'm not comparing the two situations, I've come on here and said really dumb political points. Like, I shouldn't be the one to do that. Like, sometimes I should do more research before I spew shit. But sometimes that comes from a place of, I feel pressure if we have a platform, things

should be talked about. I just don't know if I'm the guy all the time after I've even tried to be that guy. Yeah. I respect that. I feel what I seem saying, but if Drake is not that guy, he has a lot of substance and the shit he knows about. So keep it there. You can't force him to want to talk about things that he probably is not well informed on

or things that he doesn't really feel passionate about and things like that. Like, I respect that. I respect it for artists. I don't touch that because it's kind of like in the Jordan documentary, when people were mad when Mike didn't support. the local official that was running for some type of position. And they were like, damn, well, why you didn't support him or why you're not like backing him? And MJ said, yo, I don't get involved in that.

And people were mad. But he's saying like, yo, I don't because I don't know much about that. I don't know what his policies are, what he's doing. So I'd rather just stay away from it. I'm not going to support it and, you know, and give him my blessings and things like that. If I don't even, I'm not into that. I don't, that's not what I do. I'm into this.

This is what I do. So sometimes people, yeah, but, but that. That's because people of that caliber are expected because they're put in such a high position. Because the amount of influence that you can have. The amount of influence you can have. But what Jordan said was I don't want to use my influence in that way because I don't really know about that. So I'm not going to use my influence there. So I think that, you know, you just got to look at what people's passions are and what they're into and things like that.

And it's like, okay, so you can't expect this artist to create art based around the things that you're passionate about because they have a bigger platform and you would love to see them talk about it. but if that person's not into that, then they're totally in their right to not speak on that. And sometimes it's about the money. Because Jordan even said, and I believe in that doc as well, he's like, Republicans buy shoes too.

When people are like, why aren't you more vocal about politics? And he's like, some people just want to build wealth and to play both parties and to not be associated in one way or another. Because it's basically pick a side. It's pick aside.

And Mike is saying, I'm not picking aside. When you split your audience, you lose money. And if you're really trying to build an empire in Drake's case, I think he's about his money. You shut up and just play the good guy.

I want Republicans, Democrats, and whoever else to support my music if they like it, to buy my sneakers if they like it. So I'm not picking aside because I'm not into politics. There's nothing wrong with that. Everybody's not into politics. We know that Drake studies the landscape constantly. He saw Jay Cole put out a freestyle of saying, hey, I don't know everything.

I'd love to learn more. And then all of the Internet said, shut the fuck up, you misogynist piece of shit. Yeah, that was Like, Jay Cole? Yeah. I'm never going to say a word then. Yeah, that was that.

If the internet looks at fucking coal crazy. I saw something the other day on Instagram. They asked Snoop something about Trump. And he said, yo, Trump ain't never did nothing to me. And I was like, oh, they're about to try to cancel Snoop now. And I'm not about to try to cancel him. He just sounds stupid.

But they're not about it. Yeah, because even in the same breath of what we're saying, you can also just flat out say, I don't know. Speaking of canceling artists, though, TikTok just had all of the universal music group artists canceled for possibly eternity. All right. That means nothing to me because I'm not on TikTok, but I do recognize that that is a big deal because most TikTok videos, if not all, have music in them. To me, this is, like, music industry-wise, the biggest thing to happen since Spotify introduced streaming on a mass level.

This is the craziest thing. This affects over 90% of TikTok, I think. For those that don't know, as of Wednesday, January 31st, UMG Universal Music Group, all of their artists' catalog, songs, and for the foreseeable future, cannot participate in the biggest tech company known to man right now. And this hurts nobody but the artist. So TikTok proposed paying artists and songwriters a rate that is a fraction of the rate that they similarly, similarly, see I can even see this. Similarly. Close enough. Situated major social platforms, UMG said.

TikTok accused UMG of putting their own greed above the interests of their artists and songwriters. UMG then replied to TikTok in the press that TikTok only accounts for 1% of its advertising revenue, which to me kind of like, like prove TikTok's point, but this is fucking nuts. Did you guys ever see the Spotify TV series? Like just about the creation of Spotify? I think it was on Hulu.

Yeah, it was. You mentioned it before. I never got to. It's a really good series if you haven't seen it. It's up there like with the Uber series. It's just one of those. If you're into this type of shit, you need to go see it. So in the series, which is pretty accurate, that's a good representation if you want to get a back history of how tech companies and the music industry have combined.

So Spotify had this great idea, created all these routers and all this shit that made it capable to stream all music from a computer. But they needed the music. So naturally they went to the major labels, which all laughed in their fucking faces because they own all the back catalogs of every fucking artist ever. And it's like,

Why would we move to the beat of your drum and what you want and license this shit when we own what you need to even create this entire thing? It was a back and forth, looked like Spotify was never going to exist. The result was the three majors all have ownership within Spotify. That was the only conclusion that they could all come to, which to me is a fair one at the end of the day. Spotify is a tech company, but they revolutionized how the masses can get music with their phones and their computers. But also, why the majors are so important. whether we like it or not, own all the music that we listen to. If I'm a major, I'm definitely telling Spotify,

no, I'm just not licensing some shit to you for a fee. I need to be a part of your tech company, which to me is completely fair. Spotify had no leverage because they were the first, I mean, there was other streaming sites, but this was one that obviously changed everything. They had no leverage. TikTok, now being who they are and who they're backed by,

has a little bit more leverage than the average tech company. So them going in to negotiate with, say, a universal Warner or whatever, is not looking at it the same way as Spotify. But the majors, as arrogant as they've always been and as late to the party as they've always been, still thinks the whole world needs to beat to their drum because they have the catalog. Right.

And TikTok did not budge and said, fuck it. Cool. We won't need to use your catalog. And the majors have never been treated that way in their entire existence. Whether it be movies, because they went through this with, you know, Universal is not just UN Universal Music Group. They own movies. We've seen it with Disney buying up every last other streaming site. They've never been treated this way or ever met their match before.

I appreciate them not budging, but I think they're in a lose-lose situation. if they budge now whatever the next tech company of course TikTok is here to stay no one's trying to argue that but inevitably like the world turns because it's flat there will always be a new tech company

that's going to need music and UMG has never feared that because they always had the leverage if they cave to TikTok now we're in a situation where our negotiations aren't the same as they were with Spotify with Apple with everybody else

but if you don't cave and you stand on your business as arrogant as the majors are and TikTok continues to move the fuck on and your artists are affected, now you've lost all leverage that you've ever had because clearly you're not needed for these tech companies anymore

when it comes to back catalog or future relationships with artists. How does this help? The only people that suffer in this entire thing are artists. But how does this help independent artists? I think in a good way. I mean, if you take away, I mean, UMG, we don't even...

That's everybody. We don't need to say Taylor Swift, Drake, etc. Like, they have almost everybody. I think it helps independent artists. I think it takes some leverage away from the majors too with doing deals with other artists. If I'm looking to sign and I'm the hot. thing moving right now on YouTube or whatever.

And you take away my music being able to be promoted on TikTok. Do you think I'd ever fucking sign with you? Right. You know, I'm also thinking from like a younger artist perspective where younger artists are being discovered is on TikTok. So say, I'm a young artist that has a following. I blow up on TikTok as most are doing now. And then I sign to Universal.

Universal and their legal team before the ink's dry will own your back catalog. So immediately, you're telling me, it's the day I sign with you, you're going to now have the rights to my back catalog and then rip it off a platform that I got my name from. Right. And then what? I'm pretty much starting from square zero because say I have a million on TikTok, but my Instagram has like 100,000. My following's over here. So now we're isolating. We're depriving my audience that got me to this point.

And now I have to, what, do this on Instagram and Twitter or wherever now? So it's basically like creating another, I have to go to this label. You're just robbing artists of, the real losers of the artist. I mean, to the point they're already made. Yeah, because now we're losing all promotion. Like, no matter what, to some degree, and I'm not, I've been on record not being a fuck majors type of person.

I think with certain artists, majors are actually great for you. I think it's awesome. And I think independents are great for other artists. But if you rob me not only of my masters and probably the fair share of profits, outside of what you put up for me. It is what it is. That's the industry standard.

It sucks, but that's cool. Now you're robbing me of my promotion. Now I can't even promote my record to get the pennies off the dollar that I'm getting. Now you're legitimately a Bank of America. You're not even a company as far as promoting my music.

You go to a major because they can help make you a star. And whether we like it or not, TikTok is a huge fucking part of them. So you take that out. It's like... There was a... Ferrell just did an interview where he was saying

that if you could find it. He was sitting down with a podcast, I believe, or he did an interview somewhere. He was saying that he doesn't feel like artists have to sign to labels anymore. More than ever now.

Like there's no need for an artist to sign a major recording deal. And I think that was a premature statement based off the major's relationship with Spotify. i.e. being part owners and with TikTok and with platforms like Instagram. If you erase that, then at this point, find a drug dealer to finance your dreams. Like, what do we do? What are we doing at this? What's happened before? I know. But it's different when you're taking so many resources

and on top of that, we just watched Universal Warner, all these reports that they're laying off half their staff. Right now, the music industry is laying off more people than any other industry at all. So now I don't have a staff. I don't have access to the biggest platform. Okay, you're going to give me a hundred grand to record an album that I don't own that you're going to give me pennies off the dollar. Why? What I'm seeing, so I'm seeing some financial people who are talking about that.

So basically, TikTok paid UMG 110 million. They're paying them around $110 million per year. TikTok is comparable to Facebook meta, with whom UMG, had a multi-year deal with in 2022, who they're paying, I think, three times as much. They're paying $200 to $300 million per year to license the content. So doubling damn near tripling what TikTok is paying, right? However, you're not going to, you can advertise on meta in Facebook and Instagram and all

of that. It's never going to get the type of coverage that it's going to get on TikTok. So I don't blame TikTok for not wanting to pay as much. But that is a big difference. I don't think, this is my personal opinion. I read all the articles and I have no inside information. I think UMG went in for an actual percentage of TikTok. The same way they have done with every other tech company,

how they've dealt with YouTube, how they dealt with everyone. And they were needed. TikTok is a platform that, of course, we know Taylor Swift records go crazy on there. We know there's dances with every. every artist, they don't live and die by a back catalog or future music. They just don't. People are going to generate videos because they love TikTok and like making TikToks. They'll dance to anything.

That's actually kind of the beauty of TikTok where they almost treat it like SoundCloud of a rabbit hole where those sounds and that shit, like even if you don't have a huge following, your shit can pop on TikTok. So if you take that away where the kids are not focused on trying to dance to what the hottest song is right now or have a back catalog, some random fucking DJ could just make a beat and if it has the right dance,

it's out of here. We've seen it a million times with TikTok. I think Universal finally met their match because they had every right to deal with Vivo and YouTube that way. Every single right to deal with Spotify, Apple Music, in that capacity. Because when we use those things,

We need back catalog and we need future catalog because those are strictly sort of music platforms. They're tech companies, but it's music. TikTok is, that's just a portion. Sure. They don't, they find, Universal finally met their fucking match. And I think Universal, I don't think it's caving. I know you've been Big Brother forever. But adjust with the times.

Adjust with the fucking time. That's what I was going to say. I think it's just time for the Big Brother to just adjust to the new times and the things that are going on. the way people discover music, the way people share music, the way people fall in love with artists and things like that. It's a more organic way of doing it with TikTok. People post videos. People like the video.

The video goes viral. People like, damn, that song is dope. I like that song. What song is that? I've seen clips and things like that. I'm like, yo, what song is that? It's just a sign of the times changing. And I think Universal is still trying to stand their ground and say,

we're the most dominant figure on the block. That may be true, but there are other ways that artists, are spreading their music and growing their music now that I think you want to be a part of and help to grow it in that direction as well. But straight up too before you go to Maris? Do Universal not straight up say, not even cryptically,

we do not give a single fuck about music? Their response was TikTok is 1% of our fucking revenue. We don't care about that. So 1% of your revenue is coming from TikTok and music. Cool. I get that. So now you're going to take away the biggest promotional thing ever

for your music division. You are saying, we do not give a single fuck about music. It means nothing to us. It means nothing at all. We're telling you it's 1% revenue over here. It's biggest promotional shit. So fuck y'all.

Well, that's saying fuck you. Not the music department. Yes, it's saying fuck you to music. It is. But you're speaking to shareholder language because you're looking at it. No, of course I am. Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying it's not.

Obviously, I would imagine the label, the people at the label are like, well, shit, now what are we going to do? Yeah. But yeah, if you're looking at it holistically, if you're looking at a pie chart and you see 1% you're like, fuck it, we'll eat that. If I'm Lucian, I'm looking like, yo, y'all, y'all just said fuck me. For real, yeah. You said fuck me and everything that I've brought to this company.

Yeah. And even though it is 1%, whatever, back to perception as well. Like, you guys had to start 360 deal because we know where you can. can leverage celebrity. Taylor Swift changed the economy. It was based off of music. Everyone's saying fuck music now. Fuck our artists.

Fuck their promotion. It's barely a penny to us. Fuck y'all. But I don't, I mean, that's like, to me, admitting we are eventually and have been planning on dissolving this entire thing. Okay.

This is a fun hobby over here. I think you're going far. I think you're going really far with that. I think you're taken to what they, when they said TikTok pays one I think you're taking that. I'm not saying that's, I know, it's 1% of their revenue, what they get paid out by TikTok.

$100 million is 1%, which makes so much sense. But if the future is going into tech companies and TikTok is the biggest one, that was the only one that was going to make them budge and stood on their fucking business, and they decided to say, fuck you to TikTok. To me, that's saying,

fuck you to the future of music. Because no matter what, music is going to be with tech companies, no matter what. They're going to have to do these deals again. And when they say no here, it's just going to get worse the next time, and they're saying fuck this music department. But I think it's,

this is the thing with, I think they're, they're not saying fuck music. They didn't say fuck you the title. No, I think they're standing on their business and this is why, because out of everything that TikTok pays to the labels,

TikTok paid last year to the labels around 400 to 500 million dollars. TikTok made $18 billion. Are you seeing what I'm saying? So to them it's like, We want a bigger piece of the pile. I take up about, my catalog is about 30% of the music that's being used on this ad that is majority based on music. And you're going to tell me that you're only paying me $110 million a year. That I have to, you have to stand out of your ground on that.

You have to. I agree with you. That's why I started with saying UMG is in a situation. There's no win for losing. Like either way, you're losing all your leverage. You finally met your match. I think UMG is worth more than $100 million from TikTok. You crazy?

Of course I believe that. They should definitely go to. They should ask for somewhat of a stake, even if it's a 0.001%. We bring a lot of shit here. But TikTok in China is looking at this shit. These kids making their own sounds and they're going viral. We don't need your shit. Yeah.

But if I'm an artist, I think it feels like a fuck you. Isn't TikTok banned China? No. TikTok is banned somewhere in one of those countries over there. North Korea. Well, nothing's allowed there. I'm just sure? TikTok has banned some is a Chinese own company. It's definitely a Chinese

own company. Full bands on TikTok, Afghanistan, damn it. India, Iran, Krasikstan, Nepal, and Somalia. Damn, the pirates can't scroll on there. And just to give you guys, those are crazy TikTok. And just to give you that, instead of giving you you, like, percentages, just for the listeners to make this a little bit easier. So there's a, UMG has a recording

they have recording music and they have publishing rights music. So from today, the recording music, which is 3 million, over around 3 million songs, have disappeared. The publishing music is an additional 4 million songs.

So like there is, these are, I want to give y'all numbers instead of just percentages. This is a lot of music, like a lot of music. And TikTok won't suffer. TikTok doesn't need that shit.

Yeah, so this is my question. If you're universal, if it's one, If it's 1% of your revenue, I'm saying for future business and for the overall big picture, you should cave. Yes, 100%. You should cave. Yeah, but it's easy to say when you're not. I'm Monday morning quarterback.

I don't know. No, but this is also going to hurt their bottom line. Like now to the initial conversation is like, why do you think they didn't cave though? Because like you said, if you cave now, you're going to have to cave to a lot of other companies. To the point you made, they're the big brother. They're like, fuck it. We've never had to bend the knee before. while we start now.

And I'm saying quietly, they could have just done it because to me this back and forth fresh shit is an ego thing. Yeah, for sure. If you would have quietly caved and you're also now saying, which you're snishing on yourself to me

and listen, I'm just a dumb guy on a yellow t-shirt. You don't have to laugh, Yommy. 1% of your revenue comes from TikTok. Okay, so for the betterment, if I believe in UMG and music and my artists

and want people to continue to sign to my label and continue to care about music, I have Sir Lucian Grange over here, I may cave and come to a compromise based off one percent of my revenue. Yes. For the future of UMG, I will cave to some degree with TikTok. Now, if there's real politics because it's China and there's some other shit that is way deeper than we know about, then I should shut the fuck up. Because they made all of the NBA shut up when they said,

the word China. So I don't really know. I mean, we do know this, though, in this type of business situation, if one side doesn't kind of adhere or cave, like you said, it's really just all ego-based. Yeah. I think they'll come back knocking. They have to. Yeah. They have this, you have to. Well, that's a negotiation. Are we going to see who caves, caves first? Well, it's going to need to care. It's going to have to be UMG. Well, hold on. Well, hold on.

In a position they've never been in because Spotify had to cave. I'm going to name some UMG artists. You don't even have to. You don't have to. But no, but I'm saying, just just, we can, we know, we know the two. Just two. Just name two of them. Taylor Swift and Bad Bunny. There you go.

You don't even have to name the third. Drake, Ariana Grande. You don't have to go there. Really Irish, Harry Styles. Yeah, but like we're saying names that to TikTok don't mean shit. Who gives a fuck? TikTok doesn't need these people. And I could see UMG being arrogant enough to say like Taylor Swift moves the economy.

without TikTok. I'm saying it ruins the future opportunity to have the next superstars. If you're eliminating the biggest promotional tool that we have. You're closing the goal on the next generation. Drake is not going to suffer. Taylor's not going to suffer. A lot of artists aren't going to suffer. And I also think UMG really focuses the most on them. But do you think this company is going to die with Taylor Swift and Drake? Like, Universal's been around for how long? Do you not see a future in this? That could be something too. the same way everyone's selling their catalogs. There's probably a lot going on

that we're Monday morning quarterback. Like we don't know what the fuck is happening. We're going based off what we see here. That could, Universal could think they had the, they made the best decision they ever could have because the music industry as we see it is over. So why the fuck would we cave there? I know you guys are saying that this doesn't affect TikTok.

TikTok is unaffected by this, right? And I get where you're coming from with that because TikTok, I get where you're coming from with that. But what I will also say is, okay, for example, Drake, Drake's album dropped. Every TikTok on the timeline, I'll speak for American adult TikTok, was Drake songs with dances and other stuff,

whatever you do on TikTok with the Drake playing in the background. If Drake's album drops and you can't do TikToks to Drake's music, that will force people to go to Reels. Like, people will make Reels. People will still be addicted to TikTok the same way. if Drake, Taylor Swift, all the huge artists we're talking about, came together and boycotted and was like, yo, fuck TikTok, all our fans delete that shit because we can't use our catalog on this.

Then I could see an effect happen. Yeah. These kids don't care if Lucian Grange is like, oh, man, they don't even know who that is. And I'm telling you know how Drake, Taylor Swift, none of them are ever going to say a bad word about TikTok. The kids are just going to be like, well, I can't do a Drake song. I guess I'll move on to the next sound here. On to the next one.

Yeah. Like, but what I'm saying? But if they all came in solidarity and Taylor Swift was at the Super Bowl in the fucking the booth and like had a sign like the way Prince had slave over his mouth and was like fuck TikTok because Taylor Swift and Prince are the same. Mm-hmm. Then maybe you could have some effect, a tiny effect on what's going on with TikTok.

Taylor Swift and Drake are just as afraid of China as Joe Biden. So they're going to shut up. But what I'm saying is you're saying, okay. Okay, onto the next, onto the next song, onto the next sound. He's slid in the house. So, they own so much of the market share. So who's the next? Are you seeing what I'm saying?

Like, Drake and Taylor don't own their catalogs? No, I'm talking about- Why would they go to bat for you, M.G? What happens with TikTok? What happens when TikTok decides to become a label? They should have been signing artists, but they don't need to. That's what, yeah. Like, to them, that's ass-backwards, like, kids shit.

I'm not, I'm saying, they don't need to do it. But now what if TikTok says, you know what? in response to this, like, we're going to create an artist division. Like, we're going to,

we're going to become a label. We're going to find these kids that their TikTok's going crazy, sign them to deals, give them percentages. That approach made sense to what we argued in the past about what SoundCloud should have done.

Yeah. Because that was a more music, take a page out of that book. But this is, TikTok is so self-sufficient that it doesn't, like, to Roy's point,

it's peanuts to them. What is an artist making music to them? I don't have the answer. to your question, I have a question to your question. Same reason why Apple Music never did it. Same reason why Spotify has never done it. What would be the point to them?

The way I watched Apple Music do that exclusive deal with chance and a few other rappers and then stop. Love my wife. And then Spotify, never signing a single artist ever because like, imagine, I mean, we've been exclusively signed there, but imagine signing to Spotify and they're guaranteeing me the front page. Everything a major does. I could sign directly to the tech company that owns the hardware. Of course I will.

But the tech company is looking like, why would I do this? You're an advertisement. You're an advertisement so someone can buy this to listen to your shit. You don't care about that. Like, why would I do a label? Sounds like somebody has a monopoly on the game. Chinese. What if this is the only question?

Because, okay, so Universal, they tried, this doesn't look good to them, at least from our perspective. Maybe you're right. Maybe they have another play that they can leverage. What if Warner, like, what if all the majors, what if Universal goes shit, goes to the other majors and goes, hey, take, I don't know what your deals are, but if we can all agree to take all of our artists down, do you think then something like TikTok would have to bend or do something?

TikTok said or an article I read suggested that all the other majors have already resigned and came to a fair negotiation. Oh, that's hilarious. Well, Universal's fuck themselves. Yeah. And also at the same time, like, back to this ego and Big Brother shit. Warner, Sony, and Universal are all arguing about Disney Plus right now. Netflix.

Like, shit that's way bigger than Drake albums. Like, they're not going to come together for the art of music at all. Like, their fight is with owning streaming and monetizing their back catalogs and using that as leverage to continue to own the tech. And they all look at each other as competitors. They're not coming together.

They're competitors with ego. That shit would never happen. They don't even let artists, sometimes shit doesn't get cleared because you have a feature from a Sony artist in your own universal. Right. And they will legitimately block

what would help you, which internally helps them. they would block it because they don't fuck with Sony. It's saying it happened a bunch of times. That feature's not getting clear. We don't have a relationship with them. Fuck them. They're a competitor.

Why would you work with somebody like that? Well, I don't know. I thought it helped all of us. Right. No, we don't work that way. Bro, I watched what Disney did to the Hulk just because they couldn't get the rights to his solo movie and the way that they destroyed an entire character.

And his entire character arc made him so unlikable because they could not get the rights to his solo movie. You know, it's the same reason Fox News fired Tucker Carlson. Nobody's bigger than the program. Like, I don't care that you're the number one TV guy. We have been around forever. You're just the hottest thing moving right now. We don't give a fuck.

And in UMG world, I think that's how they've been viewing music at this point. How do we own everything that an artist does outside of music so we can leverage their celebrity? where the real money is. So let's ask the real questions. De Maris, how scared are you now that you can't use some of your favorite artist music on TikTok? I don't use artists.

I don't really use music on TikTok. I talk on TikTok a lot. Oh, that's what you use on TikTok. But that's the point. Yeah, that's actually what gets pushed the most now is people talking on TikTok. I can't remember the last time I used the song on TikTok. And to be quite honest,

TikTok's a better promotion for artists when they do the dances and those songs than it is for TikTok. It's more lucrative for the artist from a promotional song. Oh, absolutely. Like, TikTok will just have somebody, you know, mouse this sound. Just talk real quick.

That's what's lucrative for that. The marriage started to have us talking to our phones. I was like, I don't know. Like how much money do you think TikTok made off Meg's sassy dance? Hold on. Okay. Now, wait a minute. Compared to what TikTok makes. No, obviously compared to what TikTok makes.

I don't even think it's, I don't even think it made it to management level. That's what made a, no, you're bugging. That's what made a lot of people join TikTok. That's what made a lot of kids join TikTok is when that dance went viral. I'm not going to, I'm not going to take that from you. That was a really, really big moment. 100,000 people? Yeah.

But at the time, but this is a lot to me. 100,000 people is a lot to me. It is when that happened. That happened during the pandemic. TikTok was nowhere near as big as it is now when that happened. So for them, that was a moment. Me personally, that's what I think. But now it has turned, because that was back when TikTok was a dancing app.

Remember when TikTok first came out, it was TikTok. Drake, Drake conformed to TikTok during the. pandemic. TikTok did not conform to Drake. Ticktok. He was in his, he was Tutsi sliding in his, his fucking living room. Y'all do know that TikTok was originally the musically app, right? Do you guys remember musically? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay, so you can't sit up there and say yes, TikTok has always been, no, no, no, TikTok was a music app. It started as a music app, right? Sure. So where people can mouth other, mouth over songs and things like that and different artists, it got the reputation for a dancing app because music dancing obviously goes together.

It has grown over recent years into a whole different monster, but that is still where its roots were. So, yes, back in those days, Facebook started as a bashing woman website. Good old ways. And now owns my thoughts. Like, things change. Those are the days.

Bringing back all my life. Like, I feel you, I feel you, but things change so drastic once you get to fucking San Francisco. And it becomes backed by, billion dollar investors. Yes, of course. Oh, we see you can build a community. We can own that community.

Yeah. Things change drastically. Oh, you have the software? Five years ago. That's what I was talking about. We're going to buy you. Oh, you own that, we'll buy you. And anyone that uses that, we own them now.

Sick, where are we living? Should we play some voicemails? You've got mail. Oh, shit. I forgot we have voicemails. Yes, good some voicemail. All right. Pivot into a sexual one.

Man winning in court is. crazy. How y'all doing everybody? It's Kwong from Louisiana. You know, much love to y'all. But I had a question, and it's for everybody here, but it's mostly for Roar because, you know, we, let's say we have a similar past, you know what I'm saying, which I ain't got trauma done anything that, but which led to issues, hypersexuality and things in that nature. And I just want to know, you know, how did you get past that? You know what I'm saying?

Like, obviously I don't have a problem getting women, meeting women, you know what I'm saying, talking women or whatever. It's just that most of my relationships

with women are sexual, you know what I'm saying? And very recently I met somebody a young woman who I wanted to be more with, you know what I'm saying? Like, more than just, you know, I wanted my old lady type shit.

And I feel like, Like my over-sexuality kind of messed, like kind of fucked that up a little bit. So I kind of just want to know, like, based on what the therapist, obviously. The obvious answer is likely. But how did you get over that? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like when I told a physical touch is my love language, you kind of like, that turned off crazy.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Appreciate the help. You know what I'm saying? Love what y'all. Love what y'all do. But listen for a little minute. Physical touch can be a love language, right? is a love language.

If I'm, but he's trying to say since you're such a horny devil and he's a horny devil. He's saying he's been molested before, which is hypersexual and he has trouble having real relationships because he's focused just on physical

because he has a hypersexual brain because he was introduced to sex way before he should have been introduced to sex. And when you have a mind that is mush and is developing and someone introduces something that should come way later in your life, it takes over most of your brain,

which can fuck up all relationships. I understand what he's trying to say. I don't want to give the cliche answer because he already brought up like I understand therapy. I will say for me, what worked was talking about it in therapy and understanding the root of it and making yourself more aware of it. And seeing the behavior you have and where it's caused makes you more conscious of it, which allows you to change it a bit. You become more patient with stuff. You don't view things the same way once you understand the root of it. But I mean, he's made somewhat progress already of understanding his hypersexuality based off what happened to him when he was young.

It takes the work on changing that. Because once you realize it, that doesn't make anything you do okay. Like, I'm still on that side. I understand if you've been abused before. It is, unfortunately, your job as an adult to make sure you don't, not to say he's going to abuse anyone. But that you do the work to change yourself. And that takes some time and you should get some grace through that. But you have to do the work if you don't want it to affect the rest of your life.

Because once you're 40 years old and you bend through sexual abuse, nobody is going to look at that as an excuse. If you are lashing out or treating people poorly, like we'll get where it comes from. But you're not an excuse. it's time to change. And that sucks because it's like, damn, like, you had that feeling of like, oh, well, no one protected me or cared about me at that time. Now it's my job to fucking pick up the pieces

and not be a shitty person. Unfortunately, yeah. Yeah. And I know it's like the tough love version of it, but you will just continue to have awful relationships that will affect you in a terrible way at the end of the day. It's a selfish act as well. If you want to have a real connection with somebody,

you have to do the work and realize where you're at, actions are coming from and disconnect yourself from that experience the best you can so you can have a healthy relationship with people and understand it wasn't your fault but you are now in control for the first time that's the beauty of it when you look at it you were never in control at that time now I'm in control and it was fucked up but I can control now how I can work with people right so that's my advice is that good I think you got it I think you got it right and if you're honest These are sensitive topics. I don't know if.

Yeah. You did a very good job. I agree with you. The only thing I'll add is as far as her getting turned off by physical touch, you can have physical touch as your love language, but that doesn't always mean sex. So if you didn't make that clear to her, because a lot of times a lot of men's love language, they think it's physical touch because they think sexual-wise, right? A lot of them, they don't know that their love language is actually words of affirmation

and a whole bunch of other shit. So they will mostly will say physical touch. So that's why it turns a lot of women off. But yours probably is physical touch because of what you've been through. But you need to learn how to channel that physical touch into other ways. Because when physical touch is your love language, it doesn't mean that you like sex. We all like sex. It means that you like handholding.

You like hugs. You like cuddling. So that's physical touch is your love language. You being hypersexual is not physical touch being your love language because there's actually no love involved in that. But I do hope that you get the help you need. I was just giving you some insight into why she was probably turned off by that. I like cuddling, too, until it gets too hot.

You look like you get hot when you sleep. Yeah, I run hot. I sleep naked. I got to. I can't sleep with clothes on. I wake up shirt soaking wet. Everything is wet. Wet dream or just?

No, just hot. Just, you know. My most comfortable relationship, as long as our feet, like our feet was touching. I told you I never had a wet dream. I never understood that. That's fucking. Having a soaked shirt from a wet dream is crazy. Where were you in your dream?

You was in Dorney Park. And that means you had no bottoms on in a shirt. Or Ms. Be Nasty's Wrangler. Ooh, Miss Be Nasty. Shout out to Miss Be Nasty. I want to shout out every episode. But also, I think it was brave that you called into a podcast to have that conversation. Especially this one.

Yeah, those are tough things to have conversations about. Well, I mean, you know, he feels like he shares that with you. Yeah. And it's something that's you're able to get over. Yeah. How often, Roy, do you feel, You guys bring it up every day, so yeah. Not us, obviously.

Well, we're doing it as a PSA, so people like this gentleman can call in and share and feel comfortable. But how often do you, like, feel DMs or, you know, messages from people about that stuff? But they think Rory is, like, lying about it most of the times or joking about it. Yeah, well, I don't think it's joking,

but they just make jokes because y'all make jokes. Well, I think sometimes that's like, what is that cold? I would never... Defense mechanism, coping mechanism. I would never have... Words of affirmation? No. Making fun of him being touched.

I think that's a word of affirmation. Yeah. Well, actually, can you demonstrate? In an Irish household, yeah. The love languages for me? Can you give me a demonstration, like an example of the love languages? I would love to see what you think showing love in that language. Well, if I show you physical touch, we might get canceled.

I'm not going to do that. Okay. We can not do that. Words of affirmation. You are beautiful. You are powerful. You are confident. You know what I mean?

Like, I support you. Things like that. Okay. There's nothing you can't do. That's not. Yes, but in love, like. Like, what if there's stuff she can't? In love, shut up, bro.

Oh, yeah, you can't cook. I'm affirming that you cannot cook. You can't affirm that, nobody, baby. Those are words of affirmation. But in love, it's more like, in love words or in relationships, words of affirmation are more like, I love you. I appreciate you. You smell okay. You, yeah.

Thank you for making my life easier. I do all of that. Like, when they give them your head, I'm like, that is good. You're doing a great job. Keep doing it. No, more of that spit. Oh, that's a two-for because that's physical touch and words of affirmation. Exactly.

And acts of service. And quality time. If you're paying for it, I'm knocked all the more off the bar. And you're receiving a gift. That's all five of them. Yo, come on, fam. I'm not a legend over here. Head is the ultimate love.

The marriage. The marriage is the ultimate love language. I think head is the ultimate love language. That is the ultimate. So many words of affirmation in physical. Oh, my God. What? That's talking.

And that's quality time. Quality time. Quality time. It's acts of service. It's everything when you have sex. That's the best gift you can get. But we got to stop letting women think head is a gift. Well, I'll take it.

Did you have it before? If you didn't have it before, it's a gift. I love that gift. That's a gift you can give you. I'm going to say, Roy, what gifts do you expect from the women? I'm saying, like, if it's my birthday, don't give me head and that's the gift. You want more than just head. Give me head on Arbor Day.

Yeah. That should be. When is Arbor Day, Rory? When the trees. No, when is it, though? What date? In spring. Yeah, April 26.

There you know. Everyone knows that. Yeah. I didn't think I needed. to say that because everyone knows. Because everyone gets special head on Arbor Day. My seed sprouts every Arbor Day. Head is a gift and I want it every day.

Keep giving me that gift, please. Isn't love kind of like all five of these, though, outside of receiving gifts? Well, that's why it's called love languages. There's ways to show love or not even ways to show love. They're how you receive love best. Your love language is how you receive love best. For example, you could go buy me. Well, now, I won't say me.

Some girls, you can buy them. a burkin, right? Some girls, you can buy them a burkin, but if you don't tell them that you love them, they will not believe that you love them. Well, that's why I said receiving gifts was the one I was taken out. The rest of these, though, I think should all be part of love, no? It's not, yes, yes. A good relationship encompasses all of the love languages, of course, but some people receive love differently. You know, differently. Like, you will prefer acts of service over words of affirmation, correct? People showing, people doing things to make your life easier is how you would prefer to receive your love over somebody just saying, I love you. Okay, but isn't love a compromise to some

degree? Rory, you have to be a philosopher with a fucking tin hat on every, you should have love what? Love is a compromise, right? No, love is not a cop. Relationships are compromises. Love is not a compromise. Relationships are compromises. See, now you're the philosopher. If somebody's not great at giving words of affirmation, and that's the best way I receive love, but I love this person, I'm not going to be mad at them for that. They're just not good at words of affirmation. No, but that might not be the person for you. That's the purpose. And that's the reason why people do these relationship tests, because you're supposed to, a relationship is not just about I love you and you love me. That won't keep a relationship going. When it comes to relationships,

our puzzle pieces have to fit. And we have to understand. understand each other and be able to gel well. So if I am a person who needs to hear I love you and you're not comfortable saying, I love you, but you'll buy me every gift and touch me and spend quality time, none of that will matter to me if I never hear you say the words. So we are not a good fit. If you want someone to say, I love you is that means my love language is words of affirmation. It's like one-on-one shit.

Saying I love you? You know, I'm not- I'm not trying to debate. I'm trying to understand. Okay. Not just, and I don't want to just use I love you, but it's a good example. Not some people don't say, you don't know how I tell y'all all the time.

Like all the time I tell y'all love y'all. But you say you love everybody so we don't, it doesn't mean much. It doesn't mean much. You're one of those. At the end of the day, some people are not comfortable saying how they feel, period. Let's not just say I love you.

They're more comfortable showing you how I feel. You'll have, you, in dating, y'all don't date men, I date men. You'll hear the audits. Well, I didn't, what do you mean? I didn't tell you that I appreciate you or what do you mean? I didn't tell you I love you. I did this for you. I did this for you.

This proves my love to you. and it's like, okay, but that's not my love language. I need to hear you say these words. I need to hear you say that you think I'm beautiful. I need to hear you say that you need me and that you appreciate me or else I won't feel it no matter how else you do it. That's why I just think that people should, if you want to be with somebody and you want that relationship to last

and have that passion and that heat and that happiness throughout, I personally think you have to learn to show love in your partner's love language, period. Okay. Again, I wasn't trying to be. Yeah, no, but that's, yeah, it's just, you know, it's, It is as far as showing those, like, yes, a relationship is a compromise and you do need to learn how to love your partner the way that your partner best receives love or else the relationship is not going to last that long. Yeah, I agree. I mean, had an Arbor Day also. Oh, man, April 26, I can't wait.

Yeah. To answer your earlier question, Julian, people that DM me, I stole about depression on the old pod and people would DM me all the time and I reply. It was making me more depressed and making me more anxious and, like, people would dump their problems. And I, you know, I would reply because I felt some type of way and they were saying, yo, you made me feel seen and, like, podcasting doesn't talk about this shit. It was before Charlemagne. So I enjoyed it until, like, it became a, not a burden because that's a bad thing. I don't like doing that anymore because it's going to affect my life.

Like, I'll lose sleep thinking about a stranger that DM me. that I replied to of how they're doing. It put me in a bad place. So I'm cool with, like, voicemails and having this conversation because it's here. But if I'm on my phone and, like, I see a notification

and then I see that unread shit and I was having a conversation about depression or some other shit, I don't want to be this stranger's call. Yeah. Like, and then what if something happens and, like, yeah, I just don't need that in my life. We talk about that a lot.

Like, sometimes at these live shows, you meet people. And they say, oh, you know, you save my life. life. I was contemplating suicide. And this stuff. That's, that's heavy, man. That's heavy to just throw on somebody because it's like, whoa, like, you were thinking about suicide, but I'm the person that was like the voice of

reasoning in your head and you were looking forward to like listening to me every week. Like, that's, that's heavy. People don't understand how heavy that is. But that's like a really, really heavy thing to tell somebody because I know me. I'm not. Well, I am. But I don't want to kill themselves every other day. So I don't know why they would ever want to listen to you to keep them. I was on all right. You probably tell that same person.

You have a mental illness. Me, yeah, that's true. That's probably more accurate. Well, they do. That's true. And most of that, I mean, I've watched people say that to Mall. And I think it's cool when, not cool, but I think, I appreciate it when people say it at live shows and meet and grease and everything. To what Julian's question was, though, I had to stop with the DM shit, because then I started feeling responsible for.

Yeah, you started wearing people's trauma. Yeah, like, what the fuck? And now I'm, like, unwelial. messages and they're like about possible suicide and then it's like, all right, I can't attach this to my life. I took a page out of Ike Turner book on time when a guy told he was going to kill

so. If you die, I'll kill you. He was looking at me like, you know, it's... Nah, but this is they're a great black hope for real. That's who they... And they love me. They love me. Oh, oh, Mall. Yeah, they love you. They do. Black History Month.

Shout out to Black History Month. Yo, shout out to the Rabbit Movers. Oh, shout out to my guy, Anthony, and his partner, Mercedes. They helped me move my stuff yesterday. Love them. Tell us about their place. Yeah, they was dope. Well, can't wait to not see it.

It's a bunch of boxes right now, but, you know. Can we go to the old spot that we never want to now? Oh, sure. Go over there. Now that it's vacant. Yeah, go over there. You know they would have unpacked for you if you. Rabbit winners does that.

They unpacked me. Yeah, no, I didn't need them to do all. I just need to move the boxes. But shout out the rabbit movers. If you ever need anything moved, please give rabbit movers. You can follow them, Iji, rabbit movers. website rabbitmovers.com. Very efficient, very quick.

I was surprised at how fast they got all those boxes out of it. Like, they, I was sitting there, like, trying to look at, like, the method and, like, that shit was impressive. Like, they moved that shit really, really quick. Did you pack everything up? I packed most of the stuff. Did they pack?

Yeah, how did it? They would have. They would have. They helped pack some of the stuff, but, like, you know, because I know I was moving, so I've been taking, like, a couple days out of the week past two, three months to just kind of sort sort of

to start packing shit up but um you better than me they pack my whole closet and everything really yeah yeah they would have

they helped two my friends move I put them because by way of de Maris I got they contacted me I put them in touch

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and ship to whatever rabbit movers on Instagram rabbitmovers dot com, give them a call, and they definitely get the job done. Super dope. So, thank you. I appreciate y'all. New spot. Does it feel like a new chapter? Do you feel Oh my God? Flens? Like, I'm going to sage. I'm going to like clean out all of the evil spirits

that were there before me, even though it's a new spot. Nobody ever lived there before. You're going to bring mad new evil spirits in that bitch. Valentine's Day come in. Please. You're going to have evil spirits helping you unpack. No. When was the official day, the move in? the first, right? Yesterday. You take a big, did you like christened the toilet yet? I didn't have any wipes with me, no, I couldn't.

Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be a good. Tonight, though. So you just held it? No, I took a shit at the old spot. There still have, you know. Oh, damn, not you leaving a gift. Yeah, so now I got you.

Hark gift. Yeah. Upper Decker. I didn't flush. It still there. Housewarming? Yeah, thank you. Housewarming. Men do that.

Single men? Sure. Really? It's an excuse to have a kickback and get a blend. How swarming's do come with Nispresso How many blenders do you are somebody going to bring you? Like I have seven of those already.

Thank you. Yeah, people, they don't coordinate. You usually get a lot of the same. And then I'm not doing a registry for a housewoman. I was about to say, you're supposed to do a registry for a householder. Yeah, that sounds pretty. That's a lot. Well, I do.

I bring you a Scarface poster. Please don't. I hate when I walk in the guys house. He has Al Pacino on his wall. What the fuck are you doing? It's not a real character. I felt seen. The gifts I always buy for, like, so I keep this rural period for, like, new married couples.

So wedding gifts and housewomen gifts, I bring something that I'm going to use when I go to your house. So I always buy people like really nice crystal wine glasses or crystal champagne glasses, like, things that I'm going to use. I don't know why. I've always done that. I mean, they need them still and they're still nice gifts, but. It was like the time I told you guys that my dad got my mom a Belgian waffle maker for Christmas and then he never spent another Christmas there again. fire that's hard fuck with your dad

I always get people plants yeah that big ass dumb ass plant you got sitting out in the fucking reception area get that shit out of that shit looked like something from here that shit is so fucking big and obnoxious put that in the lobby

that should go in the lobby's fault you help you dig it out oh yeah I wasn't gonna not I was he needed help I think that belongs downstairs in the lobby I think it would The lobby not big enough

that big ass that shit is huge I hate it I mean it's the lobby's bigger than that space over there for sure. Yeah. We didn't really think it through. Yeah, that's just,

it's an obnoxious, big-ass plant for no reason. That plant belongs, like, in the wild. Oh, it was. Yeah, that's why you need to leave it there. Like, fucking bought that big ass. The plant belongs in Soho Grand. Yeah, that's where we dug it out. That plant belongs to Central Park.

I have a perfect place for it in my house, though. I'll take it. In your house. Where you live at? White House? The fucking Movers are going to take it. I live with the White House? How big is your house?

That's a big-ass fucking plant. If you want a ticket, in the meantime, time, yeah, it's too much here. Yeah. Rabbitmovers.com. I like it. Shout out to Rabbit Moves. Do we want to do another voicemail?

Sure. Do we? Let's see. Oh, this is actually fun. This is, so we have the Iraq caller call in the guy that was crazy. He has a name. What was his name, Roy? I don't know, but I don't think of him as the Iraq caller.

I just think. Well, that's how we said we have two listeners out there. He's one of them. So people know who we're referring to. So he, the quick. recap, his girl wasn't sure if she wanted to commit to doing the program in the States. It's too difficult. So he's like, what do I do? Do I stay with her and go somewhere else? Or do I leave her and come to the States? We have a call or another guy from Iraq who did that. And he's here.

Currently doing what this guy's doing. So he's calling to give him advice. Spoken to two of two already. Hey, Julian. My name is Taha. I'm just leaving a voicemail or I don't know if it's just a message. I don't want to DM you or anything. So, uh, regarding, You played a voicemail on the pod about this Iraqi guy that's a resident, that's a doctor that wants to. So anywho, so I have some tools. I have some information. I'm actually a resident as well. I go to UAMS.

And I'm Iraqi as well. I was just over there not too long ago. So I just wanted to get in touch with that guy. I might have some resources to help him because, you know, that's just something I would like to do. So if you can get me in touch or contact information or something with him, maybe his email or whatever, I really appreciate it. But yeah, I just want to see if I could help or anything like that in terms of his medical residency here in the U.S. and his papers and stuff like that. So yeah, just please, if you can just hit me back through my email or

something, that would be great. Thanks. That's really nice. Oh, Todd. That was cool. I think Julian misheard. I think he's from Lefrak city, not Iraq. I know that. It's from the same Iraq that Norrie's from. Yeah, he's so sour

on the weekends. And the weekends is so funny. Yeah, I wanted to play that on here. So if the other guy hears that he can also maybe leave a voicemail, leave a phone number, and we can make the connection. But I thought that was cool.

Yeah, no, that was cool. That's beautiful. And something to help him get through his process. Because that shit's got to be brutal. Yeah. We thought moving. I mean, it's not more brutal than living over there.

you know what I mean? Don't ever win, yo. Are rabbit movers international? They are. Rabbit Iraq? Yeah. Rabbit Iraq is crazy.

Iraqi rabbit. They can help you move. If you're stuck in a rubble, there's no trouble. Yo. End episode. Please. Stop the fucking take.

Yeah, we still haven't moved troops out of there. Oh, shit. Speaking of troops, conspiracy, this is definitely where we should transition but the Jordan troops. Oh, we can talk about that on Patreon. Yeah.

America's back at it. Why don't want to make Patreon the politics pot? Well, it's going to be politics and religion because we owe them the rest of that conversation too. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that question. No, it's happening. We're doing it all.

You got more context to your answer? I sent you guys a pod to listen to. I know no one listened to it. Nope. Well, I was moving. I had an excuse not to listen to. That's actually tomorrow's actual birthday. Yeah.

It was a morris birthday. What did you guys do for her actual birthday? I called you, you ignored me, it's fine. We went to the aquarium, and then we went to lunch, and then we ate dinner, and then I prayed for all the family to leave. Yes.

You know, a birthday. A birthday. Everyone get the fuck out, please. Yeah. It's tough. I don't know. It's okay. Ready for next year?

I mean, is everyone invited? Is everyone invited? We're going to do it all again. I gave in to all the family for the first birthday. Yeah, next year you can skip. Y'all can send a card. Yeah, next year you can skip. it. The first birthday is the one.

And then, like, maybe do it again around five. No. Don't have her next birthday party until she's old enough to ask and say, I want a birthday party. Wait until she's like, remember shit. I actually want to make the next birthday about Amara instead of the entire fucking family. It was everyone else's shit

that I had to deal with. But we're not even here to, you guys buy your $50 aquarium tickets. Like, me and Kia and Amara would have went to the aquarium without you. Yeah, I got to, now everyone has to come. Yeah. Yeah, wait till she's...

Next year is about Amara. It's not about everybody else. Fuck, it wasn't even a cool aquarium. 50 fucking bucks. I didn't see one dolphin. Where was the aquarium? He's mad as fuck. Rory thought he was going to see dolphins with $50.

In New York City. So, so... Oh my God. First of all, at the Atlanta aquarium that I've been to twice, they have a full dolphin show. Yeah, because that's one of the best aquariums in the world. That is not a lot. an aquarium. In the world's, Atlanta has the best.

It's a prison. It is a prison. Definitely in the country. It's a fucking prison. It's a water prison. But I used to pay for the Q100 to go to Rikers. Three to guys. Three to guys. Three to guys. Why would I want to three them?

Three to dolphins. I want them to get out of prison. Fuck, man. They had like nothing there. Was that American Dream? You know, the mall that's like worth negative $800? No, it was actually. article I read. That whole mall is in the biggest debt.

And the one in Jersey? Yeah. Yeah. The one next to MetLife. Yeah. Which is like, I mean, it was a nice aquarium, but I don't know. It's just, it wasn't Atlanta. Yeah. And I took a Mara to, took a moro to the aquarium in Seattle.

And you guys know I'm obsessed with otters. The entire thing was otters and like actual real fucking water life. Like this was, I saw a sea horse. None of those sharks were there. Well, yeah, so Georgia, the Atlanta aquariums on all the top aquariums in the country. It's one of the best. So I wouldn't think New Jersey is going to compete. Definitely not.

I mean, I'm not here to defend New Jersey, but it's like one of the biggest ports in the United States. They can't get a shark there, but they can get one to Atlanta. They probably don't have the, you just said that the mall is in debt. I don't think they can afford sharky. They're in debt because they put That mall is incredible I'm not here to shit on the mall It's insane

Like it's actually insane But there's like four people there Like no one goes to it They put so much money into it And there's like real roller coasters In that shit They're real water park ski resort

All inside They couldn't get a fucking Baluka whale there No They got a ski lift Yeah An actual roller coaster inside I think I'm gonna go to the Bronx Zoo soon

I haven't been there I've never been Yeah, we can do that actually. Let's do that. I haven't been there since I lost my virginity in 2004. You should go back to the same spot you were. I didn't fucking animal. Like your actual virginity or like your molestation virginity? See, there's two different virginities.

You got molested in the wrong too. If you were to get molested, though, it might happen at the zoo. That sounds like a movie. That's like a curious George book. You're sick. You're sick. You're actually. I'm lusted at the Bronx Zoo.

That was dark, Julian. Did you just call him sick and dark after what you just asked me to my face? Right. Because I really wanted to know. You said, I'm right. Did you lose your molestation. I'm sorry. You're dressed like curious George too today.

So I was a man in the yellow hat. This is a mar. We made T-shirts for her birthday. Oh, see, now that's cool. See, that's a cool shirt now. I'm a counselor. You should have said that. You should have.

You're not a counselor. Actually. You're a victim. You're a victim. Not a kid. Campomara. Not at Camphamara. I just wanted to see Otters.

Yo, that is fucking wild, bro. Holy shit. No, Demaris. When I lost my actual virginity, we went on a field trip to the Bronx Zoo and then afterwards. Wait, it was the same day? No. Yeah.

No, I didn't. No, that wasn't. He wasn't molested the Bronx Zoo Day. What is it? It's okay, bro. No, I thought he's Who was the guy that called in? Help.

That's not how you lost your rigidity. Hey, Taha, help Rory. He's going to hit you back and you help him. No. The first time I had consensual sex. Was the day you left the Bronx. We went on a field trip and then afterwards.

Got you. Great day. No, that's better. I'm sorry, Rory. I love you and I'm sorry that you went through that. No, you're not. No, that was the good side. Fuck, yes, I am.

All right, well, let's finish. I lost my virginity to a Lloyd Banks mixtape, so it wasn't that romance. That is fucking crazy. What? Oh, now I'm, that makes sense. Now I understand. The actual effect. Now I understand your affinity for Lloyd Bank.

I had an affinity before that. No, no, no, no. Well, obviously, you lost your virginity to his music. Yeah, but I was, I played the mixtape. You put that on? You say, yeah, let me set the mood. No, you're trying to, uh, I don't, it was. Which money in the bank?

Big withdrawal. I don't think it was money in the bank. No, yeah, I want to spend more money in the bank, part three. That is a sick ass. Cashing in. You definitely cashed in that day. Good job, Roy. Wow.

Did you ever tell Lloyd Banks that? No. You should tell Lloyd Banks to his... Actually, we should record, Roy, telling Lloyd Banks he lost his virginity to his mixtape. We should. Oh, my God. That'd be a perfect TikTok.

Roy, you saw this cover. Dear Mr. Banks. You said this will put her in the mood. No. You're talking about a classic mixtape series, by the way. Yeah. It's a great series, but not the fucking. too.

Yeah, like, that's what I think that's the part you're missing. We're not saying the music is bad, but I just wouldn't put that on a hat. Mom, did you lose your virginity to? The Beatles? It was a commercial plan. I don't know.

It might have been, no, actually it might have been fucking, the Price is right, might have been on TV or something. Yo, I'm screaming. Because we was watching TV. We just watch a TV and Price, I think Price is right or something was early.

Sex or there's no music. Yeah, it was, the TV was on. Oh, Jesus. That's the song you nutted to. Well, it's only two minutes long, so I was trying to think it was probably that one. It's probably the intro. It was the intro.

I nutted before he started rapping. He nutted before the beat the drums came in. You nutted on the digging the ditch intro? And then I don't think I got pussy until the big withdrawal came up. I really based like my first sexual partners of what Lloyd Banks mixtape was happening. Yo, that is fucking crazy. It's not that crazy. though if you were my age at that time though bro you was that was that was what people

were listening to i'm gonna go on the ledge to say you are the only person that has ever lost their virginity to loy banks playing now i ain't gonna do i ain't gonna do that i ain't gonna do it too i'm sure somebody else has lost their virginity to karma to lloy banks playing in the back smile no i don't think nobody is beautiful lloy banks playing while they lost their virginity that is so fucking crazy i won't do it just uh for rel and his editing purposes but karma you don't think i would play it but I'm not playing No It's featuring a Vaughn

I think right That's still It's still Lloyd Banks though Like I just weird Piggy Bank came out One time when I was having sex Oh God

That explains a lot That explains why you always Like yo How much money he got But also I didn't set the mood With Lloyd Banks It was what was playing No you put it on

And then had sex I was inexperienced I was dating Not dating I'm sorry I was fucking a girl was dating a senior and she was my age she was my friend

and she was way more experienced than I was I didn't know I was ready to have sex she was a little hoo-a I mean she was a young girl discovering herself yeah oh love those I appreciated that she was a freshman fucking a senior she walked me through it

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