New Rory & MAL - Episode 280 | America's Sweethearts

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

Go to https://MackWeldon.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code RORYMAL.Add more relaxation to your summer plans with MOOD! For a limited time only, get 20% off your first order and a FREE THCa pre-roll. Just go to https://hellomood.com and use promo code RORYMAL.Happy Monday gang! We roll straight into our recap of our weekends. Rory went to the Jersey Shore, which inspired a walk down memory lane of the greatest reality tv show to exist (09:18). We have a quick debate about whether magic is real (16:20), and then Mal surprises us all with a confession - he's a Baddies (Zeus Network) fan (19:21). While trying to convince the rest of the crew to become one too, Rory shares that he is now a non-misogynist in support of women's cheerleading after binging the series on the Dallas Cowboys cheerleading team (27:35). After a brief recap of that and some other exciting things going on in women's sports, we enter another (quick, I promise!) debate about whether Kendrick will put NLU on his next album (46:21), and also briefly touch on The Game's response to him not being in the building for the Pop Out show (52:48). Chief Keef successfully and safely performed in his hometown of Chicago for the first time in over a decade (1:01:52), and the XXL Freshman 2024 list is out - and pretty accurate this go 'round (1:07:23). Mal did an interview with XXL discussing whether streaming/podcasts are running hip-hop, and that leads us to discuss whether our team would enter the streaming arena, and how we would go about it (1:15:08). We then have a voicemail from a gentleman asking for advice on working at a label while trying to start his own (1:19:30), and another on connecting with new people over adult hobbies (1:33:39). Stay to the end for a clip of our most recent Patreon episode, available now for our Supervisor tier only (02:00:17)! Listen here: https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalFollow Rory: @ThisIsRoryFollow MAL: @MAL_ByTheWayFollow Demaris: @DemarisAGiscombeFollow Julian: @Julian__nicholas To watch the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALYouTube Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMAL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Get him. No. I'm a sweetest bet you ever need me. You know, walking in on a Monday morning to see Pige at his desk with two honey packs just chilling to the left of him was not how I was. I thought we were going to start this week out.

And didn't know what they were. He claimed he thought it was sunscreen. Yeah. So you know he rubbed it into his pores. I thought it was lotion. And now he's bricked up. He couldn't understand why he was hitting the key so hard. The back of the honey pack says last for 48 hours.

Peach had two of them. So he's going to be bricked up for four days. That's wild. What was the last time you guys took a honey pack? What was your last worst headache? It's been a while, bro. That's why I can't do shit like that. Like the gas station shit and,

and I can't. I was never into that. I was late to the party. I used to laugh at people that did that. And then I tried a honeypack and I was like, I see what the hype is about. I was in there performing

like an amateur adult film star. So now you understand why Barry Bonds I understood back then. He doesn't deserve a asterick in my opinion. That's just the record. No, he's a Hall of Fame. But take the Ashton. Shorty didn't put an asterisk next to my name after that.

She didn't? I don't think she knew I was juicing though. I think she just thought this was the experience. Oh yeah, but I mean, she finds out on her phone she's going to put an emoji next to me now.

That's like the asterisk he put an emoji like yeah, he was on that honey pack. Like the little honey emoji don't they got like a honey jar moments? They have a honey jar.

Yeah. I always thought I- You could break a pelvis or some, some deucey in a honey pack. Ew. That's a nasty cocktail. I thought it was a small paint samples

when I saw them on the desk. It looked like like little mini tubes of paint. Well. Yeah, because it's like brand X. It's not like official honey pack. I really thought they were peaches and then he said,

you know, by the way, those really aren't mine. And he was just going along with the jokes. And then we find out that these honey packs were found in my merch boxes. Like, they sent you two bricks. Who was packing up my album merch and just dropped two honey packs next to the socks and slides by accident? They heard you was having trouble. Damn.

That's a good merch friend right there. I could just buy one of these for $5. Yeah. Right across the street, you can get them anywhere. It's not that all. You don't have to send it in the shipment from L.A. Yo, one of the worst headaches I've ever had is off this. Ooh, Black Bull Extreme.

Yeah, this looks like paint. I thought this was someone came in here and was doing some detailing over the weekend. You thought that was something to put in your beard. The Bayshitz is Beijing. It was Beijing on the goat. He thought that was Beijing to go. When you're out on lunch and a little bit of grays. When you're out at lunch and a little bit of grays get in the way.

It's like, Beijing to go. Once I gave in and tried one of these, it really was because I wanted to even playing field. Once I found out all my competition was juicing. I was like, I got it joined. How did you find that out? Girls were just telling me that, yeah, it's a regular thing for guys to take honey packs. I was like, I kind of thought that was like a joke on Twitter.

Y'all really be taking gas station honey packs before you go fuck? Yeah. And then I took one and I said, I get it. All these little young dudes, they perked up, peeled up, they can't get hard, erectile dysfunction at 23 years old. That's crazy. Yeah, now they need this. All they do is sip cognac and pop perks all day.

No circulation. blood ain't flowing. Haven't done a jumping jack in six months. Six years from a heart attack, heart disease, diabetes, you know. But fucking take a honey pack. Ozempic in the pack. Yeah, take a, misothelioma. You was naming mad shit.

I just, I just joined it. What is misothelioma? What is that? That sounds Spanish. You get that in Dykman? Probably. You could probably get that to go on Dykemen. Sounds like a Dominican gang.

Oh, it's a cancer. Isn't that from like the forms in the thin tissue or the lines of many of your internal organs are okay yeah yeah some niggas out there will miss up

the Leoma for sure yeah but you just take a little honey pack you'll be right yeah so you'll get through you'll get through that meso fuck through the miso

you'll think miso is gonna stop me from fucking no no that got the bull Rory am I darken them all now yo Damaris that's a wild question

why'd you ask me that so Damar no she asks Pige that let me set up the whole shit for you earlier so Damaris I walk in Damaris like

your mom I'm blacker to you I thought maybe she probably went to like, you know, one of those retreats and found out like her roots. So I'm like, okay, dope. She said, nah, I got a tan. I'm like, oh, okay, you sat out in the sun this weekend. It was nice out.

Okay, I get it. Well, I saw her IG real that she posted this morning. And I thought it was like one of those travel girls, like, not a girl I even follow. It's the 4U page shit. And then I look at the at and it's Demerith. Well, you was at some private rooftop pool? Yeah, who was that?

Like ass naked? I was not ass naked. Oh, it kind of looked like it at first. You're low-key ass naked. And see how quick that cut was. I thought you were ass naked. No. And also, I'm in Brooklyn.

That's Brooklyn. Look at you, that's Dubai. No, that's goodbye. It's Brooklyn. Downtown, my rooftop is downtown Brooklyn.

It has a view of the city. So that's what I was saying. Oh, this is your building. No, I live in. Anyway, long story short, I'm darker than all. I'm now the darkest person on his podcast,

and I'd like to be acknowledged as such. But you're not, though. Pige, our local white resident measure of melanin melanin, he confirmed that you in fact are not, if anything, the same

color now. But definitely not darker. But you look good, though. Like you laid out, got some good sun. Well, I mean, I went to the shore. Do I look a little dark, a little tan? It's a little shartreuse. A little shartreuse. A little more freckles on my arm. Yeah. I was outside for a little bit. I went to Jersey Shore. When you say outside for a little

you mean like 17 minutes? No, like I was under like a canopy. Oh, okay. Like my feet were kind of outside. You know what I'm buy you? You know the bucket has to come with a little umbrella on it? Yeah, of course. I'm gonna get you one of those. I need one of those. To just walk the streets of Manhattan.

Yeah, you can stay outside a little longer, get your little bucket hat with the umbrella on top of it. Yeah, went down to Jersey Shore for the day just to kick it on the beach in the shade. Ran into Jay Wow's ex-husband, so you know I got the full experience. Of Jersey Shore? Yeah, you got to see somebody from the Jersey. The moment you cross that bridge, you just run into all of the VH1 superstars. The alumni. Yeah, he was sitting right next to us at the table.

I didn't want to make a big deal about it. Yeah. Thought about asking him for a picture. because, you know, that's like bucket list. Yeah. There's only a few people I'd ask for a picture. You guys were comparing tattoos. And it would be, it'd be Raj.

Yeah. Shout out to Raj. How was it sure? Pack? No, it actually was surprisingly not as crazy as I thought it was going to be. But it was fun. I'm a fun little quick day trip. I'm more I got to hang in the pool for a while.

So it was fun. I'm glad that little heat wave we had is tapered off. Oh, my God. People don't understand. This New York heat in the summertime, the humidity. It's not, you can't really enjoy yourself outside. No. Like because your back is soaking wet

Yeah You know, I mean Like you just hot You know everybody's kind of like Got that little summer smell It's just everybody Arms stink Like you know what I mean

It's just like The arm's it That thing heats up It cooks the trash It's sitting in the streets Oh man Smells like you walked In the sidewalks is like

It's a body in here Somebody should check It's just walking around With a wet lower back Yeah It's just nasty You sit down on the train And then all the sweat

Hits your shirt And then everybody has a dog And the hot dog urine Everybody has a fucking dog and I'm over it. I'm tired of this. Yeah, COVID did that. It needs to rain. We need like two days of rain right now. The sidewalks are dirty and stink. The streets are stink. Oh, you are officially old. You're one of those people that looks outside and goes, yeah, we needed this. Yeah, we need this rain, man. I love when it rains. Definitely that guy at the screen door.

Oh, yeah, yeah, 100%. I'm definitely. I lean into all of that shit now, roar. You have no idea. I can't. I'm about to start planting shit. Oh, yeah, I'm near. I'm near DeMaris. I'm planting, I'm getting soils. I'm doing all of that shit now. I could see you being one of those because you are so far right now you're like one one Fox News episode away from growing your own food for sure. Because you think the apocalypse is coming

if Biden comes back in so I get it. You'll have your own garden. No, if Biden comes back, I'm leaving for show. We can't do four more years. Well, we got a lease here. Yeah, no, I'm going. Wait, but we have a lease here. I'm still going. I'm out of here. I can't do it. No fucking way. Not four more. Did you do anything over the weekend? No, I didn't do much. I was, I mean, I did

local shit went up town, saw my cousins and shit in Harlem. And that was it. I didn't do too much. I was in the hood, chilling. Okay. Yeah. Didn't do too much. Didn't check in with anyone?

Showed up. In Harlem? Yeah. No, niggis. Checking on my pops. Like, checked him on my dad. Okay. You know, shit like that.

He gave you a pass? He did, in fact, give me a pass. He was like, I'm good up here in these streets. You know what I'm saying? He was like, it's a little shaky right now, but everything is good. Who is your favorite character in Jersey Shore? My favorite character in Jersey Shore? Um,

Long as like a I like, no, I like, I like, what's the, what's the, uh, the Italian, Paulie D. Okay. Vinny's the man. I like Pauli D. And I like, uh, I like Jay Wow. Okay. I like Snooky too, though.

I like Snooky. I like Snooky. So, so if you was with me at the shore, you would have stepped to Roger because Jay Wows year one. No, no, no. And I like that. I ain't stepping to nobody. You would step to him for disrespect.

I like, I like, I like Jay Wile. Because Jay Wows, she kind of always seemed like she wasn't with the messy bullshit. She always seemed like the mediator. Like she was always the one after the bullshit goes down. With this cast and crew, yes, anyone could look like they're not with the mess of shit just by saying, hey, everyone calmed down once. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what you had to do. But I like Snooky too.

Snooky was cool. But I like Paul E. And Vinny. That was one of the greatest reality TV shows ever. I know like it. I know it embarrassed Italians and they hated it and it's not Jersey culture. Fuck on that. That show was fucking hilarious.

Yeah, no. It was one of the greatest. Amazing cinema. One of the greatest shows ever. And I love where everybody is at now. Yeah, look how far the situation is come. Listen, and say what you want about the situation. He was ten toes, did his time like a man.

No one went down with him. Now he's raising his kids. That's a man right there. Yeah, that's a man. Look at him. See, beautiful. He used to call women grenades every night. Now look at him.

Look at them. Arms full of kids. Raising two daughters. That's what life is, man. They would just get drunk, not get pussy, and then just knock anyone out around them. What was they? Anytime when the producers were like,

nah, you can't bring girls back. It's like, I want to knock someone out then. Yeah. What was they thing? Jim, laundry and tan? GTL. Gtel.

Yeah. Jim tan and laundry. That was, Paul E. Polly D. had some classics. He was, he's probably like a multi, multi,

multi-millionaire, right? Because he had like a real profession outside of the show. He was a DJ. Didn't he have a Vegas residency? He did. Yeah. That was set up for him to be a star.

No, they definitely. If you could DJ after this show? They definitely did. what they were supposed to do with that platform as far as like everything after that. He looks exactly the same. He's 43.

Looks good, man. He looks exactly the same. Hair gel does wonders. Jim tan laundry. The fellas would go to the tanning bed when they lived at the beach. That was always funny to me. They didn't even have to go to the beach.

You're at the beach. Just go outside. They didn't even have to go to the beach. They had a beautiful deck. Like, they could have just chilled at the crib. You know what I mean? Like, but that doesn't make you orange

you got to go get the orange tan but that's what they're trying to get don't like Italians have that nice like olive tan why don't you want that they want the obnoxious bullshit yeah because they're Italian with the American cut they're not really Italian got you with the American cut yeah would you ever date a girl that was on one of those shows

like they were young and they were 20th Jersey Shore yeah or a show like it they were like 22 21 they were young I think Vinny was like 17 he was like a minor on that show No, he wasn't. He couldn't go to like the club for the first six seasons. Shout out to Vinny. Vinny also.

Yeah, shout out to Vinny. Oh, because he has a big dick. Why dick on your brain? First of all, no, no, you're asking the wrong question. Start with the honeypack. How do you know that? Because I watched the show and that was a big thing. I did too.

And that's clearly what I thought she was alluding to. I've never thought of that. What else about Vinny if you know you know? He exclusively dates black women. Oh, I didn't know that. He didn't he fuck Snookie? That's close enough. TV, but in real life, he's only been caught with black women.

But he can't bring him back to Staten Island. You're caught. You like black women, Vinny. You're caught. We caught you with a black woman, Vinny. Yeah, I did not know that was the thing with Vinny. I was in an elevator with Vinny at the Mondrian like three or four L.A. trips ago. Yeah?

Just the two of them. You look down? I mean, I may have peaked at the end scene to see if the rumors were true. That's big. All right. I'm not a math person, but he's 36. now, this show aired in 2009. So how old was he?

17 years ago? I can't read. 19. All right. So yeah, he was underage. No, that was 15 years ago, right? 15, yeah. He's 36? 36. So he was 21. Oh, he was 21. Okay. I never really kept up with it once they went to like Italy and did the reunions and all that.

But first two seasons, yeah, I was watching everything. No, this was one of those shows that is by far a cult classic, one of the biggest reality shows ever, but they would, you know, they set up a bunch of other shows, off-spins, different Jersey Shore reunions and things like that. This is a, the Jersey Shore brand is huge. There was nothing funny about Snooki getting her, like, clocked cleaned, but imagine someone airing that on TV now. Oh, that was crazy. She got, she got robbed. And then I remember, like, the guy that did his dad was complaining to some newspaper that, like, his son can't get a job now and they ruined his life and it's not fair.

you knocked a woman clean out at the bar on television. Yeah. I don't think the system is the problem here. I think it might be your raging alcoholic son. Sugar morning violence against women if you're watching this on YouTube. And I'm sure they know what we're talking about. Yeah. I feel like this is one of the first viral thing.

I think they've edited out of like... Oh, they did edit out of actual thing. Well, when it aired, they showed it like 15 times. They played that shit back. They slowed it out. Yeah, that was like the promo on commercials. It was. they brought in the guy from sports science

Max Kellerman did the breakdown of it they brought in the guy for sports science but yeah now it's now it's very different different world as it should be a different world

I started the bear yesterday what is cocaine bear no the bear you guys never seen the bear none of you no no it's the Jeremy Allen white that that

that cooking show in Chicago oh I see he's a mean like all the time yeah he's constantly a meme like he's always exhausted I feel feel like he looks. He's a part of the Rap Boy Summer Look. We talked about that on Patreon. Gotcha. It's so good. Like, I was trying to figure out what to watch next. I was going to do the Sopranos, but I remember Moll said that I should wait for him. So I'm waiting for

so you're going to be waiting for some time. To watch the Sopranos? Yeah. So we started this week. We're going to start it this week. We're going to start it this week. Yeah. Okay. Who's going to whose house? Episodes one through four? One through four. We're going to watch all four episodes. Of the Sopranos? Yeah. You know there's more than four episodes. I know. I'm saying this week. We're going to watch four episodes. Yeah. Let's do it. Okay. How are you going to watch that together. there you're going over. Are you going to be like

FaceTime? Okay, one, two, three. Hit play. No, we're going to watch it separately and I'll text them and say, oh, you saw that. That's crazy. But Mall's already seen it

so we can pretend like, yeah, this is going to be me watching it over. I've seen this. Oh, I've never seen it. Yeah, but I don't mind, like the soprano's is such a great show. I don't mind watching it from the beginning. Like, I just did with Pinky Blonters.

I just watched that again for, you know, like probably the third time. I made Kea watched the entire series and I watched every episode with her willingly. It was amazing. That's what I do with Grey's Anatomy. I'm trying to find some new shows, though. I'm trying to find...

Watch the bear. I know you told me to start House of Dragon. I didn't. Well, I'm going to start that. I wasn't really in like a magical move this weekend, but it did cross my mind that I didn't tell Demaris that I would watch that. Yeah, I got to start House of Dragon. I thought it was like the prelude to...

There's no magic in it. It's not like... So it's before magic. And then the magic came for Game of Thrones. There was no magic in Game of Thrones. It's not Harry Potter. Oh. It's just there's...

But there's dragons. Yeah. That's the only... Dragons are not magical. Okay? They're not. They're also not real. That's fine.

You don't believe in dragons? I mean, Cisco. Yeah. He is the dragon. But other than that, no? I mean, maybe they existed at one point. No, dragons. I don't need someone on TikTok telling me the real history of them again.

Because you already know where I stand with dinosaurs. Yeah. Aren't they kind of similar? Kind of. Yeah. Fire-breathing dinosaurs. Is there a conspiracy that I missed that dragons were real? this wasn't something that some author made up.

Because I'm on aside that magic was real at one point and still is. Magic is real. I don't think dragons are real. What do you mean magic is real? Magic is real. I believe in magic. Like I think there was someone on the grassy knoll, but I also believe in the magic bullet. Magic is real.

Man, they shot his ass in the face. Well, manipulation is real. That's what magic is. So you don't believe in magic at all. Like any type of magic. Autumn Spanish girls, you don't date it. Autumn corner stores you don't went into with them. Santaria candles growing up in the Bronx.

You're telling me you don't believe in magic? Yeah, but just because those things exist doesn't mean that they're... And I think they only work when you believe in it. Like Matilda? So then it's real. Well, not to me. So then if you think magic is real

and maybe some shit will work on you. I don't think if David Blaine came in here and started spitting up frogs in front of me, I wouldn't, I'd be like your fan. But that's not magic. That was just like performative art that's wild. Yeah, he's more of an endurance. He's more of an endurance.

performer. Like his stunts are more extreme physical bouts rather than like whatever we de-medic. Wasn't he a magician? The greatest magician ever? Okay, so when we're talking about magic, he's more of like a Babe Ruth to me. He didn't go against the best competition. That's true.

We're not talking about Chris Angel, magic. Oh my God, there's a rabbit behind my ear. Like we're not talking about that kind of magic. Shout out Chris Angel. We're talking about magic. Voodoo, hoodoo, santaria, those type of like magic. I don't believe in that shit.

Well, you believe in dragons. Tell me that theory. When were the dragons here? I don't believe in dragons. Oh, I thought you were trying to tell me that you looked at me like you don't believe in dragons. Nah, I never crossed my mind to believe in them. I thought you did. No.

You looked like a dragon believer. Drew Hill and that's where I drew a line on your wall growing up for sure. But you said you were looking for something new to watch. Yes, I am. Everybody told me to watch the bear. I went into it and not knowing what to expect other than the Jeremy Allen White memes and it's an amazing show. I love it so much.

It will give you anxiety if you're not a person that's used to chaos but I like it a lot. Have y'all watched Natalie Nunn's show and Zeus Baddies? Have you I've seen some clips? Yeah. That is the sickest shit on TV by far. I'm aware, yeah. They just on there fighting. Yeah, I had a stripper friend that put me on to that show and I was judging her at first and then I watched

a few clips and I was like, this is the funniest show. This is the funniest show on television. I watched the whole first season. I'm on season two. They just get, yo, what's up? And just talk,

I'm like, tell me you don't believe in magic. No, when Natalie Nunn is doing that, Zuz's magic. I'm like, wait,

so there's no story lines. These girls just follow each other on social media or they know each other's social media. She said something slick

and now she's in the house so I'm trying to see what's up. Like she tweeted something crazy and it's like soon as the chicks walk in, they say hello,

you got to see the casting call that they just did with, with Natalie Nunn, Shinsia, and I forgot the other reggae artist's name. But, like, chicks were just coming in there,

and they was like, yo, you want to get in the house? He was like, yeah, they're like, fight her right now. And they just start swinging on each other. I'm like, wait, this is TV. This is like, this is what's going on on TV right now. I mean, this is like Squid Game, but reality TV version. Bro, they are just, I don't think you understand. There's no storylines.

They just like, yo, you look at me funny. I think you are, you jealous. And they just start scrapping. And that's just the show And the Natalie comes in and says It's shot a clock They take a shot They fucking

I'm like yo Wait how do I get in this house Yeah I'm like What is Natalie not doing And it's like This is a thing though And it's like this season You could tell the production budget is bigger

Which means somebody cut a bigger check Like people are in tune to this shit But it's just like All these girls are doing It's straight up fighting Wait they got to go Chrison Rock She's baddie's west She got a banking

Yeah Oh she's ready to fight She got She got Coke on that biggie Chrison. Chrisan's sisters on there To Kishi, I think in it, to Keshi

I'm sorry if I mess your name but I don't want you fight Yeah well I'm gonna smoke You hit. Yo, taking out your binkie to hit the vape pet To hit the vaping. No, this baddie shit

If you haven't seen this This is by far some of the funniest and best TV I've ever seen because it's just girls on here fighting for no reason other than I don't like

the way she looked at me And they just start fighting Can I borrow your Zeus account? Oh yeah 100%. I want everybody to watch this shit. This is the greatest shit on TV right now. Well, did you watch Jocelyn's Cabaret? That's the other one.

See, I'm just getting into that, you know what I mean? Like, I'm just getting into that world, baby D. So let me kind of, but I'm getting into that next because I didn't see some clips. I'm like, wait, this is how Chocelyn was giving it up? So my stripper friend, that's the one we really watched. Look at this. They just quaint. It's like backyard wrestling.

That's Chris Schoenstere right there. Oh, I can tell by the stands. Yeah, no, she could fight. No, she could fight. And look at the boom mics. Yeah. That he's east. Are you more of a baddies east or baddies west?

Oh, I'm from the East Coast. I like the East Coast Baddies. Yeah, yeah, I like the East Coast Baddies. But now it's the Baddies Caribbean. Now that ain't in the Caribbean fighting. These bitches fighting on sand. It's all kind of shit going on. Like, I'm saying, yo, this is the greatest shit on TV.

Could you see yourself, like, maybe investing in a fighter and like maybe sponsoring one of these girls? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. As a manager, promotional type here, 100%. Did you, Ma, have you checked out the, there's a boy version. There's bad boys. Nah, see, I don't, I don't want to get it. You don't want to watch the men throw down in Texas?

Nah, because I think they're gay. But they fight. Yeah, but I don't want to see gay men. Gay men can scrap. Yeah, I don't want to see that. I mean, this looks exciting. Oh, God damn. Oh, and they couldn't right in the ring.

This is what reality TV used to be. It's insane. There's no goals, just women and men fighting. It's still fuck puff, but, like, if you remember making the band in the early days before they put, like, laws on this shit, they were scrapping in that house for, two episodes straight. No, this is, if y'all thought that when Enes and what's the name fought in Making the Man, if y'all thought that was crazy. Yeah, it's Ennest and Freddie Fight. This is nothing compared to what the baddies is doing. Pause. They had great stamina in this fight

though, because they fight for like a good 15 minutes. You know how hard it is to fight for 15 minutes? In the studio. And there was one fight in the house when they were going to different floors. Like, you run up some steps and then keep fighting? Yeah, it's on. Now you're in shape. I think it never made me that angry in my life ever. Changing levels and continuing to fight is crazy. I thought you used to know with your siblings. But sometimes you need that. Sometimes you need a good, you know, you got to just fight things out, man.

And then we could be cool later. But to me, that made more sense than when they were singing boys to men for their bed. Yeah, I ain't like fight for the bed. Y'all want to stay in this house? End of the road is not getting me on that pillow. That's what Natalie doing. You want to stay in this house? You got to fight her.

Do y'all judge women? Do you all judge women that watch shows like that? No. I think everyone can just turn their brain off. I don't judge women that watch shows like that, but I do judge if you to type that, that that's what consumes your, like, social life as far as, like, what you're talking about and things like that every day. It's like, that's when it's like, all right, you're a little too invested into that shit.

You know, I'm locked in. I'm like, you know, now. If Fonsworth. If Fonsworth. Bentley getting in your face with a bow tie? Fonsworth playing mediators, hilarious. It's hilarious. What is Fonsworth up to?

I don't know, man. He's probably, how old is he? He has to bring colors back. Him, Kanye, Andre 3,000. He's 50. Yeah, I'm not sure what Fonsworth Bentley's up to, man. How many umbrellas do you think he owns? I've never thought about that, Julian.

Yeah, he's got quite a collection. He was kind of like one of the early male fashion influencers, I feel like. For sure. How's he not of his umbrella brand collab? I'm sure he did. Is that an A.k.A. umbrella? I mean, it's just picking Yeah, but it has like a

I thought the crass on it. I thought their arms was right there. He matched it with, you see the watch. Look at the watch and the bow tie. You mean even see how you tied it all in? I didn't. And the cufflings. This was a fun time.

Well, no, Jocelyn's Cabernet is fucking crazy. Cabernet or Cabaret? Whatever the shit did. Cabern. Josson. Jocelyn. I'm about saying, I'm about saying, I'm about saying she got wine now.

Jocelyn not fucking around with you. The wine they're making jail. Yeah, she's about to get y'all drunk and then fighting. No, so I watched like an episode or two of Jocelyn's because my home girl used to watch it. And Jocelyn is very entertaining. So I didn't mind like if she made me watch that with her. If I come over, I'll tell her I'm not watching bad. That kid, that shit to fuck off.

That clip with Jocelyn walking through like fucking Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania backstage and she was fighting everybody. That's cocaine beer for real right now. Y'all talking about the movie cocaine beer. When Jocelyn starts slapping niggas told him, I'll get out my way. She was just swinging on everybody. And they moved. Oh, yeah, that was the fight. You got moved.

And she has probably the craziest thing that's ever been said on cable when a girl was crying about two abortions that she got. And then Jocelyn said, damn, bitch, double homicide. No, that wasn't. Jocelyn. It was the girl behind her. Either way, she was the, she was the GM of that whole shit. Yeah, she aborted twins.

And the girl, she was like, yeah, like, you know, talk about her abortion. She was like, and it was twins. And the girl behind her was like, damn, double homicide. Yo, the girl turned around was like, bitch. That was on the Cabernet though, right? Yeah. The cavernate. Oh, right there.

You just had an abortion. Twins. Twins. Yeah. Double homicide. That's. You couldn't think of a more inappropriate thing to say in this fucking moment.

I resonate with her so much. Damn. That is homicide. That is me. But who's sicker? The girl that said it or the editor that scored it. Like, drop the music. Yeah.

And they cut to the wide shot so she could get her shine. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Yeah. Double homicide. Oh, it was her. I didn't see which one.

It was back right right here. Double homicide. She fixes her glasses. Same glasses as all has on. The bitch. She said, oh, I'm sorry. No, you're not. That is me.

That shit is prime fucking cinema, bro. Yeah, I got to see all of this shit that's going on on those zoos, man. Like, this is one of those networks that they just putting up. Like, listen, man, I like the people over there because you bring an idea to them. They're like, fuck it. We're going to find a way to do it. And why I can't judge is. instead of watching Dragon, which is probably like high-level TV, real storyline, make you think.

I was like, nah, fuck that. I'm watching the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader Series on Netflix for an entire weekend. I finished the series. Why? Why not? Those women are inspiring. I even cried at one point. So is it like hard knocks?

Exactly like hard knocks, but for the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. I didn't realize how inspiring they were. Is it trauma? Are they fighting? No, it's just about like making the squad. They got to get on their baddies shit. They ain't got no baddies over there. Not because they're supposed to be America's

sweethearts, like classy and elegant. Natalie Nunn has America's sweetheart. These chicks, I give them all the credit because that shit is way tougher than I ever thought it would be. But to do all that for minimum wage is crazy. Yeah, all that for a skirt and $10. Like, it's kind of wild.

But I have a lot of respect for them. They are very talented. Like, I didn't realize the process. These are like trained professional dancers. I mean, aren't all... They just, for some reason, only dance to ACDC. Like, these women are coming in as... dancing to Mozart and all that shit for the tryouts.

And they're like, yeah, run down the field, smile to Thunderstrike. Like, you know, these women could be on Broadway. Yeah, they're probably like Alvin Ailey students. Some of them do. Some of them are like, I think some of the Nick City dancers, well, I mean, I think all cheer leaders are professionally trained dancers. I think all of them went to school for dance.

No. A lot of them, but no, no, no. That's not a requirement. But for them, like the Dallas, so yes, there's professional cheerleaders, but then there's the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, which is a different. Yes, the different brand. No, well, Dallas Cowboys, period. That brand is on a different level than any other organization, probably in sports outside of maybe the Yankees. Yeah, it's probably Yankees, Cowboys.

They always have one spoken black girl. Yeah. I mean, not the Lakers now, no offense. But even like, even when the Cowboys suck, they're still one of if not the highest grossing French. They are the biggest. They are one of the biggest brands in the world. And the cheerleaders are a huge part of that brand. Like, that shit is for real.

It's very, very serious. Did you have a favorite, Roy? Do they give you some, like, characters that you can... Reese. Reese was my favorite. She was a rookie. Okay, let's see you. Rookies.

And me and Kia was hating. Which one is? She's beautiful. I can't pick them out of this. You know, they make them all look alike. She is dating. One of the cuter chicks, super sweet, and is dating like a thumb. It's the only way I could describe him.

I know exactly what you mean. And she brought him in to, like, introduce to the girls and everyone else. And she went to Alabama, was an Alabama cheerleader. And I guess this kid went viral for doing some dumb drunk shit at an Alabama game. That's how she, like, saw him. And everyone, when he walked in, oh, we thought you were dating someone from the team. No. And then here comes in someone shorter and ugly.

than me with one of the baddest young cheerleaders. And he was like, yeah, and she DM'd him. I was like, he either has to be the funniest guy. He had no job, by the way, either. He just moved to Dallas with her and was like, yeah, I think I'll find a gig. Oh, he's living the dream. He either has the craziest honeypack dick on earth, or he's hilarious because he doesn't have family money.

And no offense, because they seem happy. I really don't want to sound like I'm shitting. I'm hating. This is hate. Yeah, it's okay. But I know I wasn't the only one watching that show, including all the other cheerleaders and the coach and was like, he looks like a sweet guy.

Probably is. Since when do sweet guys win? They do win. They always win. Oh, come on, bro. That's flattering. He got that chunky Ted Cruz face. That's probably the most flattering photo of him.

That's, this is hate. I'm sorry. They're happy. His face is round. Listen, man. I think I was hate him. He was probably a nice guy. Because me and he had a crush on Reese.

I think that's why we were hating. That doesn't look like your type. It must have been her personality. Yeah, she was like, you know, she's cute. They like haven't even touched though. They're like super religious. Oh, that's why I shit type. Religion?

Yeah. Yeah. Yo. I was trying to find a common ground. Yeah, why don't you guys do a photo shoot like this for like tour promo or something? Because we're not gay. That's why. Happy pride.

Well, not like this, but like. There's a lot of Julian types on the show. I do suggest watching it. It was entertaining. and much more than I thought goes into it. But I mean, you know. Try D. I'm one of the rookies. I used to be addicted to watching.

When they used to do the tryouts every year, every summer I would watch it. Like they would have the episodes back to back to back. I would watch it every summer at my room. She's pretty. It's like a core memory. Yeah. It was obvious, but I didn't realize it until they said it. Like, these women are stocked every day.

They find air tags on their cars. Like, oh, yeah. It's fucking nuts. They have to walk around with security more than rappers. Like even photographers at the Thanksgiving Day game are grabbing their asses and shit. Like cops have to be on alert just for them. Yeah. That's fucking crazy.

We were briefly talking about this before we started recording, but I said they have this whole thing too in their contract where they're not allowed to mix and co-mingle with players and staff. And we all think that's just for a legal byline. We don't think that's upheld at all in reality. I don't know. It might. Their coaches don't play. Like, their coaches don't play at all. No, they should be like war generals, those two women.

Yeah. They run a tight fucking ship. But I don't see it. Because that is a big thing they say in the beginning. Like, you have to sign this, no frattingizing with anyone in the organization, can't even like speak to them, separate hotels. I get it. I just don't know if they even run into each other like that.

Because they need to use the field with all the yard markers. So they can't be there when the players are there because they both need the field. I don't think they run into each other Like at all Maybe on Instagram I can't speak for NFL Because I haven't been around NFL organizations that much

But NBA cheerleaders Oh yeah of course Yeah but let's not act like I've dropped a few of them off After leaving the homies crams That's all I'm saying Like maybe not an arena You can't say hello

When you can't speak You can't do an arena But after them games is over And that arena closed I know a lot of cheerleaders From a few teams that's all I'm going to say. I mean, and I'm not downplaying NBA cheerleaders.

I just think it's drastically different than the Dallas Cowboy cheerleader brand. Like they're there for this brand, not to just be around athletes. Okay. What NBA cheerleader, like, what is a good? There's no, like, coveted. You know what I mean? Yeah. But it's, I mean, there's no coveted, what?

Like the way in which we were saying, like, when you think football, Dallas Cowboys is they're the number one, they're at the bar. for the NBA, there's not even, there's no like outlier team. Like that's the team. Lake of girls. Lake of girls were thinking the 80s, yeah, for sure. It used to be like a girl. I don't know about now.

But even then, like, how an arena is set up, the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders are cheering the entire game on the sidelines, like, all around. They have to, like, sit Indian style for, like, most of the game and just have to wait for a timeout. And then they, like, sneak on the court. You don't, like, they're not, like, a big part of the process. Yeah. The way I think NFL is. But, listen, I got a lot of respect because that, that, that, that, that, that,

shit looked very tough. Well, I'm glad you found a new show to watch and you enjoyed it. Oh, I finished it in one weekend. Yeah. I can't wait for next season. Gotta see who made the squad. How would you feel about Amara being, becoming a Dallas Cowboys cheer earlier? If you would have asked me that before this series, I would have given you a misogynistic

fuck-no answer. But now actually learning about it, yeah, I think it'd be really cool. She just, I think it's egregious what they pay them. Yeah. And for the time they put in and, like, how easily they can be cut. Like, you could be a four-year veteran. You get cut the next year. Everyone has to try out again.

Yeah, every year. They had six new rookies for this season, which means six other people that were there before got cut. Yeah. So, and it's not like everyone's local. People are flying in and moving to Dallas just to try out. Yeah. To make $15 hour.

But you'd be like one chick was a dentist. But you only have like careers. One day of the week, right? No, they have practices. They practice like three times a week. Yeah, we can talk about work. We need to talk about practice. But then they do.

so many fundraisers. The Christmas celebration that the Cowboys do is the whole month of December, like every weekend. They do a lot of appearances. They make a lot of appearances. So are they paid just salary? So they're hourly. Hourly. $15 to $20.

Okay. So if there's other things going on now. But I don't know if that includes practice. They didn't give us a whole breakdown. Matter of fact, they really tried to avoid what the compensation was. Jerry Jones' daughter was avoiding every question that had to do with that. Yeah. So this is just a classic example of just,

wanting to be a part of a brand because you have another play in mind that once you're done with this girls probably dance for three, four years, five years maybe and then they want to transition and do something else. But having this on your resume does stand out. I think a lot of these girls, if you're a

dancer, this is your dream since you're you were a kid. Like you dream about being, you know what I'm saying? Like you dream. I've had a lot of dreams since I was a kid and once those dreams come to fruition you realize what the fuck was I dream? It was around sixth grade that I realized I wasn't making the league. Yeah. just like, what is this?

Damn, it took you y'all on? We were good in CYO. There was a lot of controversy. Like, I was reading articles that were outraged by this series. Because it digs into, like, body shaming and you have to be a certain type of figure and you have to keep a certain amount of weight.

I get it if that was, like, in high school or college, but that's the gig. If that's what they want, yeah, I can see how that would be harmful, but they're all adults. Yeah. Like, you got to make weight in other shit. What's wrong with them having to make weight, too?

They were saying it was very misogynistic and objectifies women. It makes them feel like shit. And one girl talked about an eating disorder, which was awful. But that is the gig. Like, I don't think the cowboys are shitty if that's the brand that they want to put out there. Not the Cowboys. I think probably what people are saying is that sometimes these restrictions are a little too much to put on somebody. because if a woman really wants this gig and she has to make weight the things that some women will put themselves through just to achieve this goal of being a Dallas cowboy cheerleader, it's like, you know, like maybe y'all should lighten up on some of these restrictions. Like maybe a woman should be over 150 pounds. Maybe she can be 157 and still perform to the highest level.

But I get it if it's image and athletic ability does have to deal with your weight, what would be the difference if they were in a. Broadway show that required them to look a certain way. You have to continue to stay at that image. That's what makes them the Dallas Cowboys Killaders. Shitty example. Fighters have to make a weight. Like, they do horrible things sometimes to make weight. Wrestlers do horrible things to make weight. Yeah, it's

fucked up, but that's the gig that you're signing up for. Well, in high school and all that of shit. No, you shouldn't be doing that to kids. Fiders are making way more money than these girls are making. Oh, facts. And on top of that, fighters are making weight. If I'm not mistaken, that's for, they have to have a certain weight for, like, health and safety. Like, safety issues.

be around the same weight or whatever. Oh, enough for sure. But I'm saying people do fucked up things to make a weight or an image for gigs. And also, like, we have to stop with this like super soft shit. Granted, yes, restrictions are really hard on women. They call us all types of fat bitches and they're awful to us. That's the world, right? It's awful.

It needs to change. But when it comes to something like that, you don't have to do it. No one is forcing you to not eat bagels for four days because you have to make weight. Like that's a decision like Roy said that you're making as a grown woman. If you don't support that, then don't do it. Now, maybe they could hire a nutritionist because they're making so much fucking money and paying nobody.

At least give these girls like a doctor that could help instead of choosing bulimia. But, you know, it's not like they're working at an advertising agency, and the boss is like, yeah, you need to lose weight. Like, that's fucked up. Yeah. But this is the gig.

They flat out say, you're supposed to look like America's sweetheart, which probably has a lot of racist undertones. I'm with you on that one. But losing weight, isn't it? That's just y'all brand. That's the Cowboys cheerleaders. And you know that when you go to sign up. So the girls aren't complaining.

No one trying out for that team is complaining. It's other people complaining. Yeah. That was a long rant about the Cowboys, sorry. About the Cowboys. Reese has a thought of spot in your heart from that one. Yeah, fuck the Cowboys. I think it's the rejection from Reese.

Like, once I found out she had a guy, I started to resent her. You need serious help. Do you guys watch the Olympic trials? Hell yeah I can't wait for the Olympics this year It's on track is trendy Paris yeah You're not gonna go out there

Nah I would love to but no I've never been to no Olympic games now that I think about it Neither about Never She carry out there smoking shit Like oh my heart

She makes my heart I'm happy for her man Because she had a rough She had a rough moment a couple years ago And it would have been easy For her to fold And it kind of like just disappear and we never know about what happened with her.

But, you know, she rebranded herself and, you know, got back on the track, worked out. And now she's on her way to her first Olympics. It's her first one, right? Yeah, she got banned from Tokyo. I'm excited. And she had, I mean, that race, the race she just ran an awful start. She took a sidestep to the right, which is anyone knows out the blocks that cost. That's significant time.

And she still smoked. Smoked. The last 60 meters of that race, she cooked. She ran a 10-8-8. I think she could crack. 10-6, on her best day at 10-5 in the final. Yeah, her second 50 was always the best. If she could fix her start, she's going to be a problem.

There's two falls out the blocks. There's a forward fall and then a side fall. And the side fall is the worst fall. And she's still won that heat. So she's looking really, really good. Her final heat, she won it. She ran a 10-7 and she wasn't even, she was celebrating before the line. Like, that girl is insane.

I mean, I think it's going to be, even though she didn't make it the last Olympics. But for the past four years, women's track has been more exciting than men's track for the first time. So I'm happy she's going. I think I feel like women's sports is more exciting than men's sports at this time. Being honest. I was talking to somebody about the NBA finals and, you know, this was the first year. I was kind of like, you know, I had Dallas to win it. I thought Luke and Kari was going to win it.

I'm glad Tatum and Brown got a ring. They've been knocking at the championship door for the last few years. But even in them winning, it didn't feel. feel like a team had just won the finals. That finals was trash. Let's just call it what it was. The playoffs this year were great. Finals were trash.

I was like, yo, this is it. Like, this is the championship. The season is over. Like, this is, it just didn't feel, it didn't have that, it didn't have that championship energy, that championship allure. Like, this is a trophy that most players will never win. And you watch the team win it.

It didn't feel like, you know, they just didn't, I don't know. It's something, It just doesn't, the NBA doesn't have that energy. I don't know what it is, but for the last couple of years, it's been a very lackluster vibe with the NBA playoffs in the championship. With women's sports on the rise and me just watching this Dallas Cowboys cheerleader thing, like I think I have a full grasp of what it takes.

Could we start the first male cheerleader crew, like maybe for the Liberty or the Sparks? Me U.G. Herbo. Like, we could just, we could be the male cheerle-ass. If we make weight, we could be the male cheerleader. cheerleaders for women's sports. Oh, you're out. Yeah, I'll pass on that. I'm cool. Y'all can't lift each other up. Y'all weak. Who can't lift? You can't lift Rory up.

Like, hold him above my head? Yeah. No, I can't do that. No, exactly. You want to try that? We could try that. I just saw him on the rings. You didn't see Jada kiss on rings. You didn't see him do that crazy acrobatic shit? Jada kiss was on like the rings? Inverted. No. How did you not see this clip? This shit went viral. Don't tell me kiss was on no rings. I see...

Wait for it. No way to... You better stop playing with Jada. No, but he's doing like... No, wait, wait for it. Mm. Ooh. Shit.

If you're on audio, you gotta go see the video on you. And then there's another version where he just holds himself upside down for like a minute. So Kiss could definitely join our cheerline squad. Kiss, what the fuck you got going on, man? We're getting out.

We're being healthy, man. No, that's dope. But on the rings? Like where did kids even find those What gym is that? He did it in a trench coat Yeah, I think this was the one I can't believe you missed this

This was crazy In the trench Yeah, go kiss Go ahead Look at That takes core strength Yeah he worked No, but he's been in he's been on this

He's been on his workout shit for a few years though Bow at the end It's hilarious Yeah this thing He got real songs with Biggie No made-up shits No made-of shit. It's crazy.

So you wouldn't want to look into that with me? No, I'm cool. What squad would you want to cheer on? I'm not a cheerleader, bro. I mean, well, let the internet tell it I am. Yeah, I guess that was set up for a easy joke. I didn't even put those two and two together. I like the record, you know, whatever.

Listen, we don't have to go down that path. There was people in my DMs multiple over the weekend that said that they were going to murder me and my daughter based off my opinion of wanting to hear some B-sides at the Kendrick show. Where do you want? Welcome to the club. That was a bad take. Yet I'm the weirdo.

That's a light weekend. You want to kill you and your daughter? That's light. That's fine. But the reason is the craziest part. That's not glazing. Wanting to murder me and my daughter. That's up to par.

Wanting to kill a nigger because he don't like who you like. That's not glazing. No. I actually like the guy so much I wanted to hear as B-Syes. I wanted to hear some Section 80 stuff. You niggas. You internet niggas are so weird, man. Oh, man.

But I love having to hear. having fun with them. No, it's great to have the conversations back and forth. I just, I understand, like, a lot of the flack we've been getting just from that point of view. But the B-side one, I have just racking my mind all weekend. Yeah. Of why that was so offensive to everyone that I personally just felt like I wanted that.

Welcome to the club, man. Welcome to the fucking club. But it's cool. Bobby was setting them straight over the weekend. They didn't need me. So they sent big Bob over there. So Kendrick is a... Billy Bob.

Kendrick shot a video for Not Like Us. So not only do we have the Amazon show, now we have the video ready come out. Oh, you sound like me and Reese. You said the outside too much? That's hate. Now we got the video. The videos on the way. I thought it was cool like BTS for videos being a thing again.

Even Complex, who we've been back and forth with. I thought it was cool. They were on set like old MTV news shit covering music videos. I thought that was something I miss in the culture. when music videos like mattered and all of media stopped what they were doing to go to the set and interview people. That was cool.

Listen, all of this shit aside, y'all don't think this is like, it's a bit much with this record now? Like, y'all don't think that it's like, it's like we've dragged it a little, like it's a disc record, number one, great, all of this, Amazon show, great.

But if you have a number one record, you're not going to shoot a video? First of all, I don't believe that record with number one. It did. But whatever. It definitely. Number two. I get it, but like, now we get the video,

which means now we got to roll a video out into the album. Sounds like a rollout. Damn, sounds like a successful rollout. Yeah, sounds like a standard rollout. Yeah, but I'm just saying off of a disc record, though. Yeah. Drake shot a video. A nine-minute video.

He didn't roll out an album off a disband. He rolled a whole van into the sixth. Did he roll out an album over a disc record? No. Right. So back to what I was saying. Y'all don't think this is a bit, like, didn't he not do that into views? Yes, he did.

Which song was views? Didn't he take the momentum from the meek thing into the future thing and then into views? I think the meek shit went right into the future collab album. Like that was momentum. That's different, bro. I'm talking about this is, this is, what meat shit was on? Was that meek shit on the future album?

He did the 30 for 30 freestyle right after. Was charged up back to back? The me song wasn't on the album. I don't think that. You don't know that Not Like Us is going to be on Kendrick's album. Are you, Rory, don't make me kick your chisel. Don't make me kick. You put out music.

Show me so. You put out music. You think that that song is not going to be on the album? I don't know. I don't think it will. Why are y'all sitting here? I'm kind of, man. I'm kind of on the side that Kendrick won't do that.

I don't, I could be very wrong. I don't think it will because it would be the smart thing to do it. Oh, yeah. Y'all bolving on the crazy side. Because Kendrick's, because Kendrick's albums are so. You think that this song is not going to be a Kendrick's album. No, because his album is so conceptually concise that them.

precise that thematically, I don't think this would fall in line with whatever message he's putting out. If anything, bonus, it would be like, here's the album, 12 songs, whatever. Track 13, bonus, not like us. But it wouldn't, it wouldn't fall in sequence of the album. I don't think it would have fall in sequence of the message of the album itself. But I can see a world where it would be added as a bonus record to the album. Okay, you think this is going to be a bonus record on Kendrick's sure. Maybe, maybe. Hotline Bling obviously wasn't a disc to Meek but it was in the three-pack

that had a disc to meek as a throwaway and then it ended up being his biggest song he shot a video and put it on his album Yeah but when that came out I was one of the ones that was like yo y'all y'all listening to these disc records This is fucking insane We're talking about

Not like us y'all think that this is not going to be on his album But Julian said he thinks it's going to be a bonus I think if any artist wouldn't do it It would be Kendra I think any other artists would And it's a smart thing to do I just don't know if he's going to do that.

I think this is all more rolling into the TDE 20-year anniversary momentum than it is whatever solo shit Kendrick. This is Kendrick's first album on PG-Lang? Yes. And y'all don't think that this record is going to be on the album? I feel like if he was still on TDE and Interscope, they would force him to. But I think he can make his own decisions now. And Kendrick would be one of the artists that I think wouldn't do that.

Okay. I wouldn't, listen, I'm not saying it won't be. I don't think it will, but I'm not saying it won't be. It's a possibility. Business-wise, it would be smart to put it on there. And this is a what? Business, right? It's music business, though.

Yeah. I'm not saying that he shouldn't do it or that it's not smart for him to do it. I'm not super smart. I might ask you if you think it will be. You said no. I said, I don't think that it will be. I don't think that it will be. But as far as the video and stuff more, like, you know, usually when people will be saying

you be hating, I'll be like sticking up for you. But nah, like, when a song has this momentum, like you just said, it's a business. When a song has this momentum and this much talk, yeah, you shoot a video for it. Yeah, that's what you do. You would be a dumb-ass businessman to not do so. But you don't think he's going to put on an album. No, I don't.

But that's not. Because I don't think it's that important to, how big of an artist that Kendrick is, that he would need to put that on there to make sure it sells. It's going to sell. Kendrick Lamar sells every time he puts music out. If this was reversed too,

and let's say there was a not like us on the Drake side and he was about to put an album out, I would say Drake wouldn't need to put that on there either. They're both A-list artists that can make their own decisions. They're both very different artists. For sure, but they're both A-lister's. Hence the line, Kendrick just opened his mouth,

so I'm going to give him a Grammy right now. Like, there's a reason why he said that. Of course there's a reason why he said. Kendrick don't need help selling. He don't need to... That's not why he said that. So I think he took that ball wrong. That's not why he said that.

What do you mean? He said that because he's basically saying that no matter what he says, people are going to act like it's the greatest shit in the world and then the McGramie for it. Yeah, I know. It was a good bar. But also, he's never had struggles selling. No, this is not about that. I'm saying that...

I don't think they need Bobby at the park. You think that this song that got him a bag from Amazon to do a show. And now he's shooting a video for it. You think all of that, but he's not going to put it on his first album on his own. You know, think that Drake, Kendrick thing, he's closing that chapter. It's done and then he's going to move on to his own. And I also think that even if not like us hadn't come out, I still think that Kendrick

would get that Amazon. Now, do I think there's going to be another disc on the album that's new? Yes, I do. I don't think it's going to be not like us. I think it'll be a brand new verse or song in itself. And I think Drake's going to do the same thing. I think they're going to go back and forth the way Jay and Nas continued on when it was done. Blueprint 2 versus God's Plan.

Like, God's son, I'm sorry. Well, back to the Amazon show. One person that we talked about that wasn't there, the game, he finally addressed, I guess, all of the talking and the rumblings of why he wasn't there. And, you know, he basically set the record straight on why he wasn't there. He said, motherfuckers in my DMs and all these blog sites or whatnot talking about. The West Coast ain't fucking with you. And you ain't this and you ain't that. And you side him with this nigga and that nigger.

When the fuck y'all heard me say a motherfucking thing about who I'm siding with and this and that. I being my only chilling, niggott taking care of my kids out the fucking way. I mean, I get what he was saying. And I understand why he addressed it. I don't know if he needed to per se. He needed it. He definitely needed to. Yeah, I take that back.

He kind of did need to say something. I love what he said about his. He said his relationship with Drake. My relationship with Drake, Drake is my brother. I fuck with Drake. If I call Drake and tell him I need this, I need that, he going to do it. If I tell him my kids won't concentrate. tickets, nigga, they end that bitch.

I'm a father first. My loyalty is with motherfuckers that's loyal to me. So my loyalty is with motherfuckers that's loyal to me. That stood out. Because basically what you're saying is, okay, I'm only loyal to the niggas that's loyal to me. So who's not loyal to game? I said it over the past a couple weeks.

It's been the thing that I, you know, talking to people in L.A. and a lot of people really feel like LA don't embrace a game the way they should. I know a lot of people are saying it's because of his management with Wack. People don't really fuck with Wack like that.

I think Gaines done a good job of publicly having a stance on even though Wack is his manager, he does not agree. Remember when that old Nipsey versus Wack thing was happening, drink champs and all that? Game was extremely vocal on saying, I don't agree with not one fucking word

he just said. He's my manager. I fuck with him, but that's, That's bullshit. I don't agree. Everything Wack says doesn't mean game agrees with it. So he's made that separation, but I could see how it could rub people the wrong way. Because Wack is a very powerful voice and has a lot of opinions that rub people the wrong way. Yeah. But so who do you think is not loyal to gang? What are you alluding to? Oh, I don't know. I'm just saying there's been talks about, you know, L.A. kind of turning their back on them. Compton, kind of turning their back on them. Again, I don't know. I'm not from the city. So I don't, I don't know. But just speaking from people. from LA. There's some things that people were saying and I was surprised by it because I didn't I didn't know that that's where it stood with game. But I like that he did address it and he made the record clear. He fucked with Drake. So, of course, he wouldn't be a part of a show

that's seemingly, you know, put Peyton Drake in a certain type of light because that's his brother, as he said. And I respect that. You know what I'm saying? It's tough when you're from a city and an artist from the same city you're from is beefing or got a situation with somebody you cool with, it takes a lot for you to stand in and be like, yo, I get it, this is Compton, I support Kendrick, but that's my man.

That's my brother. Drake is my brother, so I'm siding, I stand with Drake in this situation. Okay, but if you're top dog, wouldn't you feel some type of way? No, you can't. I don't think you could. Well, not feel away, but, like, if he's standing with Drake,

that is standing with the opposite, you're not being neutral. You're saying I staying with Drake. Yeah, but that's why I respect that. Okay. That's why I respect it because it's like, yo, nah, this is my brother. This is my, he obviously has a different type of relationship with Drake than he does with Kendrick. And that's okay. I'm more so

with Top and their history and- I mean, again, he feels like his relationship with Drake is a lot. They have a stronger bond. They have a stronger connection, a strong relationship than. Where him and Top may have just more time together rather than closeness. So I don't know. I don't know these

guys, and obviously I was talking like I knew game last, last episode. Oh, yeah, you diagnosed them with four different mental illnesses. It's okay. Because I'm a doctor. Yeah, yeah, I get. Listen. Dr. Ferrell. I watched the Cowboys cheerily. And once you watch that, you become a PhD.

Those ladies get injured a lot. Yeah, I get it. I could definitely diagnose a twisted ankle immediately, just off how swollen it was. But either way, I'm glad this shit is starting to die down. But with this video, I'm sure it'll reignite everything. I actually really have no opinion on the. Bobby, all the thing, I don't know. I've said my piece about Bobby,

her being there with YG. Are they doing an interview? Was that just part of the interview that's going to come out with YG? It's like mascot shit at this point. Bring Bobby to the hood, parade her around. I've said my piece since the second

Bobby episode, so it's not hating if I thought it was weird. She was there. It was weird. I was reading some stuff about Kendrick that I thought was interesting. Most of the stuff I just kind of combed through to ignore because it's all like fan fodder.

But there was this, whole thing about is Kendrick's been the most we've seen Kendrick in the spotlight really seemingly ever is like since this beef with the show the music video just like him being outside and people are speculating. Is Kendrick ready to assume the role of being someone that's more of a public figure like being, you know, seen outside consistently making music or do you guys think, do you think he'll assume that role and stay in this position or will do you think he'll kind of slowly once this whole roll out and the album comes out kind of. go back into his ways.

When PG Lang was first being announced how many years ago that was, before Mr. Morale, my prediction was that out of whatever this is, because we didn't know much about it at all at that point, I predicted that Kendrick was going to be outside a lot more. We'd be seeing a lot more of him.

He'd be doing more features, be more visuals. I just don't think it's going to be the quiet Kendrick anymore now that he's free with his own company. I think we're going to see a lot more of Kendrick. but I thought that before the whole Drake thing. So, yeah, I think this is going to be part of the career, part of Kendrick's career where we see him way more than we did before.

I don't know. I haven't thought that much about it. I think that Kendrick is still going to be who he is. He's not a guy that you just see all the time. So I don't know. I mean, it's album time. You got to be outside. You got to be more visible, accessible.

So we'll have to see once this album rolls out and, you know, that period is over with. We would have to see what type of role Kendrick is willing to step because now they crowned him to King of the West. But that was, like, before this. People were saying that. I was going to say, who even before then would have been, if it not him. There's been amazing West Coast artists,

but it felt like it went from game to Kendrick pretty seamlessly. And that's not discredited. Well, Snoop at the house of Moog. YG, right? Wasn't his Snoop? And even the game might have said that Kendrick was the king Yeah

Otherwise at one point I don't know But I just think that when you When you are in that role now And with all of this that's going on With this new album And this record now I think that

Kendrick has to be a little more visible He has to be a little more accessible I don't know if he will be though I think Kendrick is at that point in his life Where he can do what the fuck he want to do So if he want to disappear after this is over with And not be seen for a couple years. I think he'll very much do that too.

Well, I mean, out of the big three, Kendrick was the only one that hadn't, like, owned his own label. So I think just by proxy now that he has PG-Lang with Dave Free as a business owner, and they talked about signing acts, doing multimedia experiences and all this shit, he's going to have to be visible just for his company. Like, Cole, who's private, is still seen a lot, especially when it's time to do the Dreamville compilations or shit, he'll pop up at Ari's shows. Like he is very visible when his crew needs it

because he's the leader and that's Dreamville's him and Eve. Drake the same way. He'll hop on OBO albums. He'll show up for them. Kendrick now needs to do that more than ever now that he has his own company. So he'll be around, which is great. We'll see.

Definitely want to see what they did with the video. Yeah, I hope they use some footage from the live stream. Oh, I'm sure they will. I'm sure they'll. Put a video? I mean, of course they performed not like us 10 times because of the moment, but I think they also did that to get as much footage as they could for the video. The same way, Kanye and Jay for Paris when they did it seven times because they were shooting

the video. I thought they did it so that Westbrook could keep getting the shit off on stage. Westbrook going to pop on your ass. He was in the groove and Cadget was just like keep going. Because you said he was shaking his ass. He was shaking his ass. What you want me to do? I mean, I didn't say he was dancing.

He was shaking his ass. You can shake your ass and average a triple double. Yeah, it's possible. It's a quadruple double. It's a quadruple double. Mall, you finally got your moment. You've been talking about it for months. Oh, yes.

Chief Keith performed in Chicago for the first time. It happened. It happened. We didn't hear about nothing happening after the show and at the show. So that means it was a success. Chief Keith performed for the first time of Chicago in over 10 years. and this was dope, man. This was a fucking moment.

I've seen the clips, the videos from it. This was huge, man. We didn't talk about this happened last week, but Rory sent me the clip the night it happened. And I was happy for Chief Keith to be back in Chicago. I didn't think, I'm going to be honest. I did not think this was going to happen. I thought they were going to cancel last minute.

You know, the city was going to step in. like, yo, it's too much of a risk, too much of a, you know, it's a problem for the public. But it happened. And just looking at this clip, everyone's recording, everybody has their fans out. This was a huge, huge moment, man. Yeah. This was, this is. You know how, like, at venues you can feel the entire place start to shake at certain points.

I think he probably made that park shake. This almost rivals when, what was DMX at when he before? Woodstock. Woodstock 98, I think, 99, whatever that was. This might, it's, obviously, it's not as many people at this festival that Chief Keith Keith was at, but this is right up there with that moment for me. Like, this is, to me, actually the Chief Keith moment might be bigger than this. It was more people at this because it's Woodstock, but Chief Keep performing for

Finito in Chicago after not being in the city for a little over 10 years. After being banned from a major city of the United States that he was a resident. Yeah, that's that's a fucking moment, man. Can y'all imagine Jay-Z not being able to perform in New York for 10 years and then comes back and performs

niggas in Paris for the first time in New York? I feel like this would even be a bigger moment than that. Yeah, which Chief has done just culturally in Chicago and what he's, you know, not just from music period. Well, music, but more importantly

in the city of Chicago. You know, we all know, obviously there's a lot of, you know, negative energy that kind of seeped into that whole movement, unfortunately. But just that is still a part of it as well. That's part of the entire thing. That moment right there, though, Chief Keith back in Chicago, is definitely one of the biggest moments in hip hop history, without a doubt. That's something that will be told. about if you were there you're never going to forget that moment. Um, and it means a lot, it means a lot to the city.

A lot of those, a lot of those people in the crowd never seen Chief Keefe perform. They've never seen him in Chicago, you know, so to have that moment and, you know, Chief Keefe, you know, just bringing the energy that he brought to the city of Chicago. Again, it's a lot of negative things that have. happen as a result of that. But, you know, we also got to look at the fact that what he did for music in his city and the opportunities that he's given the catch that came behind him. There can be some redemption in all the negative that did come out. Absolutely. Of this entire thing. But I mean, listen, when he performed in Philly, I was losing my mind.

I could only imagine in Chicago. Shout out to Chief Keefe, man. That was a big moment. I'm glad that the city of Chicago was able to make that happen. Shout out Cole Bennett, Lyrical Lemonade. Just delivering that moment to that city is incredible, man. Shout out to them. That was a big moment for the city, a big moment for Chief Keith, a big moment for hip-hop. And, you know, hopefully they're able to create other opportunities for things like that to happen in the city of Chicago as well.

And, you know, I would like to see Chief Keefe do some things in Chicago as far as, like, you know, trying to clean up some of the mess and talking to some of the people that are there and some of the guys, man. And hopefully this is a step in the direction of like where we said, redemption, changing things, creating more opportunities for the next generation, the generation now. Don't let it just be one moment on stage that night. Like, let it parlay into other avenues as well in the city of Chicago. We almost should have late to our roots picnic set because we were watching Chief Keep.

Oh, yeah, I had to. That was my first time seeing Chief Keep perform live. So I had to, we had to do that. I didn't embarrass you at all, did I? because I was like really into the set. No, not at all. It was dope to see. I almost took my shirt off.

Yeah, I'm glad you didn't do that. Roy was doing like the finger guns too. He's doing the finger guns? Yeah. Definitely not doing the finger. Yeah, he did like 10 push-ups too. Wait, why I did push-ups? Why he was performing?

What chief keep was on stage? He was in the, I remember that year. He was in the pavilion, right? He had that place jumping because that, that's the best spot for sound at that festival. Yeah. Yeah, no, it was that even that in Philly, that moment. seeing him on stage, I was like, yeah, he still has the following that I thought he did, without a doubt.

Speaking of Not Like Us, Double Xcel freshman class, 2024. Not quite sure why it says Not Like Us on the cover, but... It's kind of whack that they did that. I'm not going to lie. And that's not a Kendrick thing. It's very unoriginal of Double XL to do that, in my opinion. Like, what does that have to do? What does that have to do with any of these people? Well, do they name, do they name the Double XL cover every year? Do they do like a little cute little catchphrase or anything?

No. Like maybe next up. Yeah. We got next or like. Yeah. Not just what the hottest song is at the moment to just put right there. Y'all not like that. Like it's interesting they didn't see their signature.

Like when Young & A. in 2014, they didn't just put like, ooh, it's a class of 2014. Yeah, no. It's a little corny to me. But I'm not really mad at the choices this year. Usually I have no idea who the fuck is on this cover, but. The pictures here were cool. Listen, the Bronx legend is on the cover. Cash Cobain.

Anyone from the Bronx is a legend, right? Cash Cobain is a legend, for sure. Shout to Skillababy, Boss Man Dela. Boss Man Dilo had a show here in the city, I think, last week. Really? Somebody had told me about it. I didn't know until late that night. It was over.

I probably would have went to that just to see what that was like. See what the Boss Man Dilo show was like. Yeah, four bats on there, Scarlet. That Mexican OT, who's great. a lot of people on here. Maya or Dawn. Shout out Lay Banks. Shout out the Scarlet.

Shout out to Scarlet. Shout out Lay Banks. That's my girl. Oh, and they did a producer. Have they done a producer in the past? Well, it's the person that mixes the freestyle. I was about to say, because Southside is definitely not a freshman. Yeah, it's usually a legacy person for the beat.

Okay, got you. Will they do the freestyle this year? I'm assuming so. Yeah. If they're saying beats by Southside. I think what was the, um, what year was it? when it was Uzi, Denzel Curry, Yadi. 2016.

To me, that was like, we talk about extremely pivotal moments in hip hop. Like, we've talked a million times about the Kanye beating 50 thing for the first time to show like nerds were beating the street shit. That 2016 double XL freestyle is one of the most pivotal moments whether you like it or not in hip hop

and how it changed. Like the sound completely, completely changed. And look at everyone that was on that cover and where they are now. Right. Kodak Black, 21 Savage, Uzi, Yadi. Denzel Curry. Like, this really epitomized what the future was looking like. And again, whether you like that or not, is your own opinion.

And I remember the day when this dropped, I'm not saying I was sitting there going like, the future is here. I'm happy. Oldhead Twitter was really pissed during this day. And I see why if you grew up on a different type of hip hop. But I think we all as like the older haters need to look back at this and see where all these gentlemen are now. And the good that they have done.

Oh, yeah. This was a wild moment in hip hop. I mean, because it's, you know, at that time, when was this? 2016? Yeah. This was, you know, just the look, the aesthetic was just so much different.

So I think, you know, the prototypical hip hop heads was like, yo, what is this shit? This was just the next generation expressing themselves. They sound different, they look different. All to this day are covering different bases of hip hop. Yeah.

Even, you know, Denzel Curry still fucks with the underground Reselda guys and everything, too. Like, they covered their bases on this one. There's been a lot of shitty years with Demo, but this one, they got right. They knocked this one out the park as far as freshmen and who is up next. Yeah, absolutely. What's y'all favorite class? Oh, man. I love 09

Who was that? Big Sean Wale Asher Roth Corey Guns Bob Bob Charles Hamilton Blue

Mickey Fax Ace Hood Currency Kid Cutty 09 Like 2007 had some great people on it but it didn't make a lot of noise 09 I feel like is when the freshman allure started

Because they like really did a full rollout for that entire thing. 2011's tough. 2010 is crazy. Cold pill, Nipsey, Freddie, Big Sean Wiskelifa, OJ the Juice Man, J. Rock, Vishan, Donis. Yeah, that's nuts. 2011, I mean, me, big crit,

sigh high, and then for me, I mean, Mac, Mac, Y, G, Lil B, Kendrick. When do y'all feel like this stopped mattering? Shit, after 2016. I feel like it stopped mattering to us because we got older. I feel like

it still matters to the younger generation. I feel like the younger generation, no offense to double XL, it doesn't give me fuck about double XL. We revered XXL because we grew up on it. But when they went full digital, these kids were on other blogs and other sites.

Double Xcel didn't really capitalize digitally. But I also can't hate here. 2017, you have A, boogey there, P&B Rock, Playboy Cardi, and Tentassion. Like, those guys are legends in their own right. and I felt in 2017 it didn't matter that much, but clearly they got it right.

Yeah, I give them a lot of shit, but they do get it right. Yeah, 2018, they got it right too. 19's a tough lineup. Tierra Wack, a baby, Roddy Rich, Corday, Rico Nasty, Gunna, Blueface, Megan the Stallion. They got it. They get it right every year. I ain't a lot too. But it's also like they're not taking risks.

There's no one new on these list. They are established people for the most part. I mean, Sonson Tentana, 2022. I think it's like what we said, once it went digital, Once double Excel went digital And like because we used to find out Who the freshman cover was like when we saw that when I all Speaking for myself when I was actually in the store and saw the magazine

Yeah It wasn't about seeing it on Instagram and things like that Like you would actually see it at the newsstand So I think once that kind of phased out and it went straight digital It kind of lost the allure that it had at one point But just as far as the list They do a pretty good job at putting the people in the class

that turned out to do some really, really dope things in the culture. So for that, I salute double Excel. But I just don't think that it means as much

as it did at one point because the transition from just print to digital when digital was taking over everything. I think they were one of the brands that kind of lost some of the law because of the transition. What year did Hotel Benny not to do it?

Well, Benny was on it. Was that? Or advised against it? I hope we're saying it just doesn't have the same Law, it doesn't have the same validation. Yeah. And you're, Benny, you're above a lot of these artists already and now they're just catching up.

Yeah. 2019. It was right before the pandemic. Listen, man, they miss Drake in 09. So. Yeah. I still have that cover and that whole magazine. Drake is in like in the show improve section or whatever.

Yeah. Of that freshman cover of like, yo, this guy is a Canadian. actor, which is crazy that he is in that article, but is not one of the fresh people at that time. But I don't know. I mean, still a pastime that I love. It's nostalgic. I'm curious what these freestyles would look like, even if they do them.

I think Mexican O-T might clean up everybody. Yeah, he's nice. He really is. I think people underestimate how good he could wrap. Sidestep, because I'm just looking at the rest of this cover here. There's a question here in this, uh, sort of. Are streamers and podcasters running hip hop? Is this like a newer conversation?

I feel like this has been had, or is that, am I? Just because I'm living it, I may be talking about it more. That might be the interview that I did. I think I did an interview for, I think it was double Xcel for this. That might be it. Oh, so mall is in the class of 2020. You one of the freshmen? No, you being in the cover that says not like us is very ironic.

I think I did it. That is hilarious. I think I did the interview. And I think that's what it was. It was the topic. was that? Are streamers and podcasts? I mean, as far as media goes, yeah, I think that I don't even think you need to pose that question. But that's also why a lot of print that went digital is just so late to the party.

Like, the answer is yes. And it's not even close. If they're talking about media. Yeah. I was going to say, it's a rather redundant question. It depends on how they're asking it. Are they asking, are they running the coverage or are they running the actual hip-hop, not just the coverage of hip-hop, if that makes sense? I think the real question to pose if they're trying to get ahead of the curve to have a conversation is will streamers permanently replace podcasters in hip-hop media. Yeah. That would be the combo to have for the next five years if it's going to shift like that.

But yeah, I mean, the answer is yes. Who else would? Radio. Would you guys become streamers if that's where it moves to? Of course you have to adapt. I'm not mad at it. I mean, I would want to kind of change the way. stream? As far as what? You mean example?

I'm not having a sleepover. I mean, you won't even have us over for dinner. Well, no, I think what Damaris is saying, it's more about, it's less like this studio like this. It's more just about the medium being streaming rather than like us cutting this, editing, putting this on YouTube, Patreon, whatever. Streaming has a lower overhead. Yeah. For sure. I mean, I think we do stream in our own right with the old. audience we have when it comes to like Discord Live and the private YouTube links that we put out

to Patreon and even like Twitter spaces. I know that's not traditional streaming per se, but it is in the moment media. Yeah. So I mean, of course, if the adjustment had to come where all the audiences no longer want podcasts in this form where they can listen to it whenever they want, they may want at 8 p.m. every Wednesday night and then we throw it out the next day. If you have to adapt, you have to adapt. You definitely have to adapt. But yeah, I'm not against streaming? Would you guys start? Like, let's say I brought that up next production me in. We're producing right now. If I bought

that up next production meeting, hey, we're going to pick a day of the week. We're going to stream. If that Kendrick show wasn't so late, we would have stream that in these seats. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I mean, and we've done that. I'm always with that shit. Looking back, I'm glad we didn't, though. Why? Come on, man. You don't want to hate in real

time. I can't. I wouldn't want to sit here in stream and it just wasn't, the show wasn't worth that to me. It was okay. It was cool. But, I mean, streaming isn't really based on doing it for what is the quality. It's watching it in real time.

If it ends up sucking that you're just streaming some shit that sucks. But that's what we're sitting here watching it because we have to watch the show. Well, that's why a lot of people do like streaming because it is in real time. And especially if it's something we're all watching together, they feel even more part of it. The way we used to talk about how podcasting feels like fans think that this is like their group chat. That's why they like it.

Streaming is that on steroids. They feel like they're in the group chat at the real moment of what we're watching. So I get the value of it. It's definitely the next platform, if not already, the dominant force of everything. I just think there's still value in traditional podcasting right now.

Absolutely. So you just have to find a balance of both. That's all. Voicemails? You've got mail. Yeah, I think since we're kind of having these more professional conversations, let's just continue on this voicemail.

Professional voicemails? It's like more of a work, career conversation. Cool. What's going on, guys? Really fuck with the pod. I'm going to keep this short. So basically, and this might be for Rory and Julian,

since y'all have, like, worked in entertainment, I guess in the corporate world. But I also do that. I work in ANR at a label. I'm pretty, I'm in a senior position, but I also kind of have my own company on the side. I play bass. I produce, I'm playing base like 14 years producing for a long minute, too.

and I kind of have a side company where we work on a bunch of different things, you know what I'm saying, entertainment-wise, and just wanted y'all's thoughts on, like, how to best pursue both. Because I feel like I'm in a place of best of both worlds where I am employed as an employee, you know, like in the industry, but I'm also working towards my own thing. Obviously, there is some conflict between the two, again, trying to be anonymous. I don't know. What would y'all's general game plan be as far as not mudding the waters too much or is that not possible? Appreciate y'all.

Thank you. All right. So what I gathered with him being super vague because obviously there's a conflict of interest of saying what label he works at. It sounds like he's doing the right things though. Like keep your day job as an A&R until you feel like you've

made your side. gig, your full-time gig. Keep working on that on the side. I guess, I don't know, with the conflict of interest be, if he's also doing A&R shit with his own company and choosing that over his day job.

But I mean, I feel like usually A&Rs that do that type of stuff don't work with artists that the label wouldn't have signed to begin with. Like, they'll bring some bullshit to the major as an R because they know that's what they want

and then they'll work with the shit passionate about over here. Right. So I would just keep doing what you're doing until the side gig becomes the full-time gig. Don't just quit your job if you're not in a financial space that you need to be. Well, let me ask you this then because

and I'll get into my personal experience with this kind of situation in a bit, but if for him, if say he's a-n-aring, is this a matter of him bringing an artist to the label and then also asking them to do work for him? Because I'm thinking, okay, if there's an artist, two artists. One, you have for your

main gig, you're nine to five. The other artist you're working on that's for the side stuff. But what if like artist A is on the label and also doing side stuff? That's when I think people can like start feeling away. If you have two artists, one's here, one's there, I can see why he can be like, yes, that's fine. Like these are two separate worlds. But when one of these guys starts doing both things, then I think that's when people feel

away. Yeah, he was so vague. So it's tough to really answer. I would imagine he's doing that though. Another angle, when I was at Def Jam, I won't say the gentleman's name. obviously, he still works in the major label system. He was high up in marketing at one point, and he had a photography company

and a media company where he was signing checks to himself. I know mad people. He was hiring his side company for Def Jam artists to work with. And it's not like he was doing bullshit work. It's not like anyone was suffering. I thought he was smart. I mean, I guess that's insider trading.

But he was legitimately signing out checks to his own. LLC and then he would go be the photographer for the artist or anything else. Like, I thought it was smart. But if you can still get away with that, this was more so wild wild west shit at that time. I don't know. The way they count pennies now.

Like, budgets aren't the same as they were when I was at day. I think A&Rs, more than anyone in the hierarchy of major label positions, get this off more than anyone because I know so many A&Rs that also manage producers in artists that they literally just turn to the label and be like, hey, we need $5 million. Oh, bet. So not only are you the A&Ring the project,

but you're also getting your management fee on top of that. And then you're obviously, when it comes time to talk budgets, you're going to be going hard for the budget for the guy that you sign because you know the back end money that you'll get from that. I know this guy who has a brother that worked at Rockefeller as an R that used to manage producers, just Blaze, Kanye West. I know that guy. I know his brother too.

That, you know, used to do similar things. Yeah, like that's a clap. Yeah, that's a little. It's one of the greatest moves you can make. It happens. Yeah. Hop was doing what he was supposed to do. Yeah.

If I'm an A&R putting all these albums together and I find three in-house producers, yeah. I'm not also going to manage them. It makes sense. I mean, I think sometimes you fall into that because you look at it like, yo, I might as well just. I talk to them more than anyone. There are in-house producers. I'm the A&R.

Yeah. I should just be your manager at this point. Yeah. It happens. Sometimes it happens like that. So, again, he was vague, so we can't, like, really answer. this specifically, but I would either find a way to merge those in a safe way where you're not going to get fired or do some shady shit with, you know, again, because budgets, they're checking

every penny. Don't get yourself fired. But there could be ways to merge. And if there isn't, keep your 9 to 5 until it's time to quit when you feel like your side gig is the main. And if it feels wrong, it might be wrong. Just check yourself throughout this process to make sure that if anyone catches wind of something that you could at least justify. why it makes sense what you're doing. But when I was at Atlantic, I started to feel as if, and it was weird because I would get cool with my artists

that were signed to our label, there were few in particular. And I thought people looked at me weird because I was getting too close or had developing relationship with someone that they would have rather kept between, say, the project manager. Yeah.

It was always like that. I always thought it was like petty and like, I always thought these really like benign arguments we would get over. I'm like, why does it? matter, we're both working with the same person. We're not boxing you out. I'm just

becoming better at my job. That's corporate in general, not even just the music business. People harbor relationships. It's getting weird about that entire thing. But then at the end of my tenure at Atlantic when I was getting closer with Dreamville, that's when shit started to get even weirder. And then at that same time, I was doing the pod, like just a social

at the time. No, I can understand the pod being a conflict of interest. I don't get, how though. Working for a label. I get that. Because I told my deal, I told our marketing, I was like, hey, it could be a conflict. Yeah, I could depending on how though. You fucking would Dreamville. I don't think there's a conflict of interest at all there.

You run your mouth for a living. No, I don't want you, even when he was doing socials before he was on. I wasn't talking at the time. Oh, yeah. There could be a conflict of interest if Maul and I say something negative about somebody from Atlantic and Julian is forced to post.

Yeah. Us saying something negative about their first. And you have, and also you working for, this is a media company. Literally, it's in the name. So this is a media company and you have access to secrets because you work at a label. there's some shit that they don't want the talking heads knowing.

They know everything. And even though we're not those guys, like, I could see someone at a label going, no. Like, you working with anybody. No, but this is what made shit. Even though breakfast club was on retainer with Atlantic, but it's cool. This is what, yeah, like, come on. That's what I'm talking. And not only that, but this is what made shit funny to me.

Even though Leor Cohen went to Star and said, yeah, I want to do an album, here's an advance for $1.5 million. Star came back and said, I have some songs. And Lear said, I didn't ask you to do it. take the money and don't ever speak to me again. You know what that was for. We had, we would have, uh, artists or whomever come in. They would, you know, they were looking for PR opportunities, album rollouts, all that shit.

And people was known in the building. I wasn't hiding it that I was doing this stuff. She was like, whatever. It gives a shit. I'm just posting on socials. And everyone would ignore it in the room. And then I would go back to my office and like a project manager, like some hire, like someone else would knock on the door and be like, hey, um, so-and-so is coming into town for like,

we're going to do like, you know, complexes. This is, do you think you can like ask Roarie and mom? Why is this shit need to be like so secretive? And at the time, I was texting guys like, hey, you guys interested in working with. And you guys would just give me a straight yes or no. But I didn't feel the way. I was like, this is great. Like, I'm helping the artist in the building.

And not only that, I run the social. I can help you pick the clip that you want like to go out. I was never like trying to out or do someone dirty. Like it was, I just never understood why it was always like this weird. You double dip. No, that's better for the building. Like I'm doing this for. But eventually a conflict of interest would have come up.

Eventually. Kind of back to double XL's question of our streamers and podcasters running hip hop. These are the first media platforms that I, of course, some are being bought. Don't get me wrong. This is the first time I feel like the majors have not been in complete control of what the media is saying. Like they were only focused on Hot 97, Power 105, Power 106, MTV News, 106 and Park, TRL. like they were in control of all yeah they're not in control of some

20 year old kid that gets a million people a night on his stream and can say anything he fucking wants so it scares them yeah so I can see them being weird like Julian you can't be like those are the ops media's not media is not our friend like it used to be we the ops

to majors yeah unless like I mean we still talk to to publishers in my life every day online and you ask on a we the ops they said they wanted to murder a market because I wanted to hear sing about me. Damn, y'all are ops. Y'all are ops.

Look how fast-beat. Just you two. Yeah, just us. Just you too. Also, maybe another angle he's getting at here again because he was vague. He said he played instruments. He played bass for however many years. You're not overstepping your boundaries if you're working on music with your

artists that you A&R. That's actually used to be the definition of the gig. Yeah. I mean, now it's more about just like translating lyrics and clearing features, but yeah, go in there and get your splits. Like A&Rs that actually used to really

be involved would get publishing in splits too. Now it'd just be A&Rs that signed somebody that went viral and they're getting splits. But, you know, that's another. The game has changed. That, yo, that, this system, you guys think it's like they count pennies and they pinch.

There's just new ways to get around it. I know these, the labor, they get so many. bags that you would, that if the higher ups of the label knew about, they'd be like, this is fucking I know A&Rs that just take no name producers and the way that like ghost producing

used to be. Yeah. A&Rs do that with no name producers now. They'll get 25% split on a beat that they just found some kid online. And it was like, here, take your other 20, even though the kid should be getting 50. There's A&Rs in the credit. I'm like,

you ain't. You just did your job as an R to connect to people right there. That's not pub. What the fuck you? Why are you in the credits? Like I said, there's so many ways to skin a horse now, though. Yeah, you got, well, you got to get paid somehow because the label's being tight with money firing people every five seconds.

Like, you got to do what the fuck you got to do. Make sure you good. The thing I never liked about a lot of that, like we're always saying on these poor like ghost producers in that system is you're just abusing. You're just taking advantage of someone's, like, desire and you're a dream. Like their dream is to be in this industry. So if someone from a major comes in and say, hey, I really like this beat, here's, like, fucking five. Here's pennies to a song that we know is going to go crazy.

That's always the thing I never, that always was weird to me. Do it was a solid on this one. Yeah, on the next time. The next one. Knowing that you got the, this beats going to Cardi B and no, you won't see a fucking penny from it. And lying to them like, you know, I played it. She wasn't into it. You didn't even go into that room and play anything.

Yeah. But anybody that's, that's the reason. For that is stupid, though. I mean, some of these kids are super young. and just throwing their beats on YouTube and like they become hits and these kids are none the wiser. You're just young and looking for an opportunity and think this is the way the shit goes. It's a cold game, man. This music business shit is so fucking, it's insane.

It's insane. But, I mean, I'm not mad at what dude is doing this age-old trick. People have been doing it for years, like you said, Rory. And I'm pretty sure now it's way easier to do a lot of this shit than it was before. Yeah. But, I mean. Good luck, though, on your business, sir. sir

and I do think the fact that he's calling in and wanted like our opinion on this matter means that his heart like he's in the right place he wants to do good on both his company and his own work yeah he's not trying to fuck nobody over he just like yo he just feels like damn

am I in the wrong here like am I doing some whack shit but that's all like that if you get into that corporate life for too long and it just becomes a mentality like I've talked about this with Seif before, so I'm not saying anything that he hasn't even said publicly. He got so brainwashed by that Hot 97 logo that he was like, I'm defending something that doesn't care about me. Yeah. Why am I changing my life? Because I feel like I have to be loyal to Hot 97 when they're

kicking me off middays and throwing me back to mornings when I didn't want to do that. Like, I've been here for 20 years. Y'all been here for two years. And I'm walking around like, this is my flag. You get in that mentality, I feel like, especially with labels too. I felt it when I was at Def Jam. What's Def Jam going to do for me? That part. Throw me on my ass. When something doesn't click.

When someone else makes a mistake, they'll blame me and throw me on my ass. Why am I running around with the Def Jam flag? Yeah. It's a mentality when you get in that corporate shit. Don't be afraid to step out. It sounds like he's scared. If you get to the point where you feel like you could make it,

pretend that you don't have a job and like you're fighting for your life and step out on your own. I feel like sometimes you get comfortable at a job. And you're so, and, you know, we're adults. Like, we all have bills and shit like that. You're afraid to fall. But if you get to a place where you like, yo, like, I really could like do this. This could be my full-time job.

Then quit. You might fall. You'll never know. Like, you'll never, if you can't put, you know, you only have 100% of yourself. If you're given 40 of it to your day job and you're only given the other 60% to your job, like what could, if you put 100% into your own company, like imagine what it could be. So don't be afraid to take that leap and tell them, fuck them and do your own thing. We got another one?

Yeah, this is a little lighter. Hey, y'all. Hope you all are doing well. It's David from Maryland, big fan of the pod. I'm in this dilemma where I'm a big fan of hip hop. I love the history of hip hop. That's what I grew up on. That's what I listen to the most currently.

And I was in the Discord with you guys the other night watching the pop out. And I was hyped to go into work the next day and talk to it with friends and coworkers. but they didn't seem to even really care or they didn't know it was on, which is fine, I'm that mad at them for that. It just really made me realize that, like, I don't have much of an outlet to, like, share this interest with.

So I don't expect you guys to have an answer for that. I just wanted to kind of share that dilemma I'm in right now. But my question to y'all is, have you guys been in that sort of situation where you have a passion or an interest or a hobby, whatever, that you guys might be into? at the time and you don't have like anybody to share that interest with or talk to you about it. I just thought it was very interesting.

Thanks for taking this voicemail. Take easy. So sweet. Sounds like a nice kid. He's so sweet. Hi, David. Good people this episode. Well, David, you have a whole Discord and Patreon community who will love nothing more but to sit there and talk hip-hop with you all day.

So please, please make sure you're talking to the new Roryamaw community. because they'll argue and yell about that show all day with you. Patreon.com. Session, you were involved. Yes, there's always a community that will argue hip-hop with you no matter what. But I've also found, like, the older I've gotten, sometimes it's nice to just have your own hobbies that aren't really for other people. Like, that's just my interest and my thing that I don't need to share.

I can be a nerd about this by myself rather than having to have someone to talk to about it. It's nice to have your own things. What's yours? What would be your... Well, I have a podcast, so I literally share it every, fucking thing that's I'm that's why I'm trying to tell y'all it's nice to have things yeah yeah but he doesn't have a podcast so he doesn't talk for a living so it I'm sure he wants to you know share it with people it's a perfect time to make new friends but that's not true just because you share something doesn't

mean like I share all the time with you guys and you guys make fun of everything I do so those hobbies are like your hobbies are like dating apps oh I have 14 plants that I take care of at home yeah but that's that's for the holes when they come back to the house you know how many plants you take care? I have 14 and I'm about to propagate two. I'm about to make 16. Hopefully tomorrow. You're about to make the plants fuck? No. Propagation is you take a healthy

root and you remove it from a plant and put it in a, it's a soil prop, I mean, I did a soil propagation. This will be a water one. Oh, so that's how like you get basely when she's a maltese and a poodle mix. So you're just doing that with plants. You're making like Ligers. No, it's like if he cut Basley's leg off and grew a new basely.

Exactly. So there's two basely. You know how like crack? It's like when you cut worms and half. So this is, it's really a beautiful process, especially if you do it in the water, because you see the roots grow. And then when the roots are long enough and healthy enough, you can plant this into a new pot and soil. But again,

I am now talking about it here. But this is stuff that I do on my own that I would never really talk to you guys about because I know what. Three-letter word, baby. You know better than it talks to me about about props getting your plants over the weekend. Like, get the fuck out out. But again, I like to keep certain things to myself. Like, that's cool. Don't

talk to me about that. Which is like, I mean in a good way. Just do that shit in your crib and enjoy it. Go find propagate Twitter or some shit. I don't know. I forgot how many years ago when I came in here and admitted that like one of my side hobbies is arranging flowers. And, you know, I should have never told you all that. You guys clowned me.

I still do it. We're supposed to. But of course. But I could have just kept that to myself. You should have kept that. What's your favorite flower, Rory? I'm more of a color. Color guy.

I like to arrange different. I thought you don't see color, though. I don't. Oh. She's like a dog. Yeah, I can tell by the grays of the hues of the gray. Got it. Maul, do you have any hobbies that she don't talk to us about?

Yes. A shit, what's her name? What? Uh-huh. All y'all always ask, Preston Mall about a girl. Like, y'all be in his dick business bed, kind of way. Right or right, mom. Right.

What do you think he's going to say that? Right. She only gave me two options. She said, right or right? And first of all, I also agree. Yeah, well, I want to know. You want to know who I'm sleeping with? Yeah.

Okay. thought like I didn't realize you put a period at the end of the sentence I thought it was like okay semi-coma and then you were going to tell me got you okay I just asked the question like you want to know but to answer this this very nice gentleman's question seek out the community the same way demer said specifically our discord and you know our listenership loves to debate about hip hop like you can find your community and your tribe when it comes to your weird. You can literally tweet whatever you're thinking about and people are going to jump in that, got two new people to argue with all night.

Yeah. And I don't think it's weird. Like, all right, if hip hop is your hobby and talking about it, but you can't find anyone go to shows. You don't meet people? Yeah. You know people go to shows by themselves and just meet friends? Yeah, absolutely.

And you're there for a common thing. Obviously, we all hear. We like this artist or we're interested. interested in this artist. So yeah, go to shows, social media, everybody's always willing to argue and engage in any type of debate about music and artists and things like that. So yeah, David, that was a cool voice medal. I appreciate that. There's nothing worse than talking to somebody about something you're super passionate about and you're just like gushing and super happy and they look so disinterested. Like that shit makes your heart just drop. Like,

disinterested, but it's cool when somebody is disinterested because, they don't know, but they're willing to learn what you're talking about. Like, I like that. It's like, you may not know what the fuck I'm talking about right now. But if you're like, I don't know what that is. Like, but tell me more about that. Like, that type of shit is cool because it's like, okay, this is somebody that has, like, when you talk about House of Dragons, I'm like, okay.

I was just about to bring that up. Like, how I gush about House of Dragons? Yeah, like, I got to start. Like, okay, you sold that to me. I bet. Boom. Like, I got to start painting to that. So I'm not mad at people not knowing anything about what the fuck I'm saying.

But at least be willing to, like, learn about. what I'm saying. Okay, cool. Tell me more about it. Like, when I talk about my passion for B-Sides, I didn't know my daughter would be murdered because of it. Right. So, like, you know, things you should just keep to your fucking self.

Exactly. Demaris, what's your, um, hobby outside of here that you... I have a lot of hobby. I mean, I breed a lot, but y'all don't read. You read when a girl you like reads, but... True. It's not.

Y'all don't read. So I, there's, I'm not going to come on here and talk about books with y'all. Because y' y'all don't... You have a book club? I'm cute John... I just read Gene Brillo's Mafia book. what murder I did

not even the audiobook I read I bought the book and read it how many pages was it you know it was a lot no it was a fucking it was a real book it only had like two pictures tons of pages yeah

tons of pages the font was kind of big though I was like this might be 14 times new home and like they set this up for me man oh boy I'm cracking up that used to yo when I used to be able to flirt

and like was out in these streets that was always my go-to question to a girl. What are you a nerd about? They used to love that question. Who was your favorite answer? Hopefully me and fucking. Really? Seriously. Nice. No, I wasn't looking for an answer. I love asking people that. What are you a nerd about? I'm a nerd. So I like to know what other people are nerds about. I like when people get super excited and passionate about some shit that isn't for me. I think that's cool to find out about people. Like what really makes them excited? I'm laughing because one of

me and Rory's first conversations that we ever had, we tried to out Drake and nerd each other. See? He won. That's sick. He was like, you're not even really a Drake fan for real. This was like an hour long conversation. We were trying to see who was the bigger Drake nerd. But I also liked Kendrick.

We just didn't get to Kendrick in the combo. Okay. We should just edit that part out before I get another death threat. You definitely are. You weren't a nerve. I used to. I thought the barbers were scary. No.

Kendrick's high. Oh, no. They're scary. The llamas? That's what they call, right? Yeah, the llamas. The big stepers now. That's not what they're called, by the way.

I just made that up and, like, it, like, caught on, but they're not called the llamas. I don't know what the fuck they're called. When it cools down a bit, I was going to get into this golf thing. You mentioned that before. Yeah. I definitely want to start playing golf. I'm not far from a course. I'm really going to start.

I'd play with a pause. I'd play with you, Rory. It'd be fun. Yeah, golf is. I only get out there like three times a year, but it's always amazing. Well, on the East Coast is tough, unless you. travel on the East Coast to play golf. But in New York, you only get a couple months of good golf.

But, yeah, golf is definitely something I want to pick up. And belly has been dying to teach me, but I just don't spend enough time on the West Coast in California. So, but I definitely want to get into golf. Yeah. I want to get into tennis. I've been, me and Alex, I've been looking at. Tennis?

Yeah. The knees might be a little too old to start that. Oh, no, baby. The knees work. Think about pickleball. Pickle ball. I don't want it to pickleball. I want it to.

Listen, let's a tennis. I'm telling you something for your health and for your safety. Are you, like, in these courts like that? Pickleball? No, tennis. Like, you know. Tennis is way more aggressive on your body than pickleball. And that's fine.

I'm okay with that. I want it as a workout and I want to learn how to do it. Pickle balls are work. I can do hard things, Mom. I'm not saying you can't. Oh, guys, I'm training for a 5K, by the way. I'm running a 5K in August. I signed up.

So, I'm in the process of training for a 5K. Somebody tweeted, you know you're getting old when your friends start training for marathons. Yeah. It's cool. I'm excited for you. We'll go to the finish line. It's in Rockaway Beach, so it's not far.

Oh, great. Yeah. It should be fun. I'll definitely be at the finish line with you, baby, D. Yay. Okay. I'll be there. I want to run a half marathon by next summer, so.

My, um, I found this out when I went down to the shore. My godbrother just did, like, the mini Iron Man. Like, it's not as far as all the, it's like cut in half. It's still swimming, biking and running. Um, he trained for a while. I was very proud of him. They did biking last. and he was making great time

and he took his water bottle and thought he was putting it like in the slot and put it in his spokes imagine swimming mad far running mad far getting on the bike like alright I can get some energy back and then you just flip over face first

oh no did he get up in like he got 15th he still got 15th oh wow yeah he could have probably won yeah he was training for real for So a half. But the funny thing is training that hard, and then what takes you out is just misplacing your water bottle. That's life. That's mental fatigue.

A half Iron Man is a 1.2 mile swim, a 56 mile bike ride, and a 13, half marathon, 13.1 mile run. Crazy. Even the mini Iron Man is insane. 70.3 total miles. Nuts. I ain't going to lie. Swimming for 1.2 miles is crazy. Yeah.

What's the real Iron Man? Double this. so again not a math guy but two miles then right uh i don't know if it's really yeah 2.4 miles a 112 mile bike ride and a full marathon doing that and then running a full marathon is fucking like yeah that's the that's the dessert is the full marathon and my question is what did they do when it's for uh to challenge yourself endurance strength yeah challenge yourself yeah some people like when they get older they need to find things to challenge themselves, get more discipline, stay healthy.

Riding a bike for 112 miles is fucking crazy. I could do that part. That's the only part I'd be able to do. Yeah, I could probably do that, too. Of course, it's the easiest thing to do on the fucking eye. Swimming for a mile is fucking crazy. Swimming 400 meters is fucking crazy. Yeah.

A mile. And they usually do it in the ocean. Like, you're not in a pool. You're swimming against a current. Like with fish. Yeah, I'm cool. I'm going to find another way to challenge myself. Yeah, this golf thing.

Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna find another way to go to a put putt, maybe. I ain't, man, get the fuck out of it. I'm not fucking swimming no two miles. Yeah, a lot of people get hurt, a lot of heat exhaustion. Well, a lot of people do this to, like, find themselves. Some people just get older and have been spending their whole 20s in an office or, like, just doing the same thing every day. I get it.

This is a new way to just find yourself. I'm talking shit. I salute anybody that's able to do some shit like that. Yeah. I'm telling you who ain't swimming no two miles. Get the fuck out. Not me. Not if I have to now for my life, then I'll do it.

But just on a random Sunday, like, yo, we're going to go. They have scuba at the pool that Amara does her swim lessons at. And, like, I saw them one night doing the scuba shit. And I was like, that looks fun and intriguing. And then I really thought about it. Even if I get certified, I'm not going in the fucking ocean with a scuba tank. Yeah, no. Scoobba diving.

Like, I'd be scuba. I'd be doing scuba in a pool. I'm like, why did I do this? Yeah. Because I'm not going in that place. I'm not going in a lake. Shout out scuba, Steve. A lake.

Scoot up in a lake is crazy. Oh, that, that's wild. You scuba diving a lake? Are you certified like scuba? He said us a high school class. Oh, that's cool. Okay. I don't think you're going to do that.

It's too claustrophobic for me. Anything, anything that requires equipment? The mouth piece. Just like knowing that my only oxygen source is this thing that, and then I get the anxiety. that if like a if my mouth opens or if there's something get like the water gets in then I'm cooked like it just the anxiety of that if you got a cough yeah like god yeah god forbid you sneeze or cough and like shit just goes a ride that things I'm sneezing while scoo-ahua-dow I don't know man

you from bust your fucking ear drums man it's over for you and the cramp and then that's like the thing where if you go so low to a certain depth you have to what do they call it when you you have to like slowly breach you can't just pop up because that's that's when you your head will explode, you need to, like, sit at 20 meters and then go up to 10 meters and wait, like, your body have to slowly breach. It's just too much. I'm good. My dad is

certified in scuba. But that was more for, like, his job, like, when he was working on boats and longshoremen shit, like, he was legitimately clean, like, the sides of boats, like he'd have put the scuba shit on. Yeah. If God wanted me to be up underneath water that long, he'd have made me a fish. He didn't.

Made me a human. Give me legs. That's like when I watched that, uh, that, that, that, uh, that, that documentary on Netflix, I think it's free dive. Oh, yeah, that was a popular one. That shit was crazy. Those are the real gangsters on Earth. Niggas that free dive? You know how crazy that is?

You dive that deep with no oxygen. It's just you just pinch your nose. You put something on pinch your nose and just dive down so you can't pee. It can't even see you? Have you ever seen them like... And then come back up? No, that's fucking crazy.

Have you seen like the workouts they do? Like an hour and a half before they go down? Yeah. Yeah. It's like a whole... That shit is crazy. It's almost like a beautiful process. Yeah.

Current world records for free dives. The men, 121 meters, 397 feet. A woman, 109 meters, 358 feet. Yes. Yeah, their breathing exercises look like they're possessed in the pool before that. No, that documentary on Netflix was crazy. I couldn't believe people was really doing shit like this. Just for like, fuck it, this is what I do.

But I feel the same way about jumping out of a plane. I would do that. I tried to do it once. It was too windy. Oh, really? Damn, that sucks. Drove like an hour and a half to South Jersey and then they were like, no.

Look at this shit. That's their only guide is this stupid fucking rope. No oxygen. Just hold your breath. That's, yeah. And you know how dark? You know how dark it gets down there?

I'm not doing it. That is so scary. Yeah. I guess real life is just boring for some people. Like, they don't really go with that. adrenaline junkie type shit which I mean not something I would do

but I guess I get it to see how far you could take the human body that's how some people operate I just don't mean What happens when you find out you can't take the human body that far? Well that's where death comes in.

Yeah exactly I just feel like once the scuba tank was invented I don't know if we really needed the free dive Yeah that was over with Are you guys afraid of death? No not really I mean I I'm scared for

Amara and my family family, but I'm not really scared for myself. I agree. I'm the same way. Like, if I died today, I would be cool, but like, I... You don't have a choice. You wouldn't be cool. I would be cool.

You wouldn't know. I would be cool. You'd be dead. You would be cool. No, but I mean, like, okay, like, let's say, like, how power, or whatever came to me today was like, demer is today your last day. I wouldn't be like, no, no, no. I don't want, like, I'll be like, I bet.

But, you know, I would be sad for my family and stuff like that. I will hope that I've given them all the tools to... You want to ask for like a few more hours to get your affairs in order? Like just try to reason with death. Yeah, I got you, bro. I know you're here for me. Yeah, but let me, let me call chase. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Clear my, let me clear my eye cloud. Let me wipe my phone. How, that's a good question. If you would, if someone said to say the death devil knocks in your door and says, you have an hour to live, figure it out, what are you going to do? Roy said, this was a great episode. Not an hour. This was a classic.

Not kill people. I'm saying like, all right, fine, 20 minutes. You wiping your phone? Like, what's the? I don't care about my. phone. I stand on everything I ever said or did. Yeah, my phone, I'm not really that worried of. I'm cool.

Yeah, because it was doing you great when you were here. What do you mean? I don't know. I mean, like, I stand out everything I said I did. I don't have anything that I will want to get rid of in my phone that I wouldn't want anybody to say. I'm only saying that because when I got this new phone, I Cloud, like, damn near wiped everything. There's not much in the last week.

Yeah. That happened with my friend, though, when he passed away, like, they got his phone. And it was just some, it was wild shit. Like, we found out some wild shit. He's gay. No, no, no. Friends whose parents had passed and they went through their parents' phone. I was like, I'm, I'm cool.

I told him, I was like, yo, I don't even want to know with y'all. But a lot of the homies was like, you know, he was on some, like, weird shit. Like. He was free diving. Talking crazy about, like, all of the homies and to, like, girls and shit like that. It was just like. But, I mean, but that's his girl. If you can't talk about it.

But not his girl to different girls. Oh. I didn't care, though. Like, what the fuck? It doesn't matter. What I'm gonna do? Yeah, like, what the fool gives a fuck? He's an angel now.

Exactly. But if I had 20 minutes to live, the crazy shit is, it depends on where I'm at. If I'm at my house, I'm gonna clean my house. Oh, my. I really would. I would, I would clean my crib. You even upset Pige with that. Yeah, like.

No, for real. Like, I don't know. In your house, when you got 20 minutes to live, you're going to spend vacuuming? No, but like straight, like, you know, just the vacuum on. I might just start the process, take as much DMT as I can and just, just take myself that. Yeah, I would probably go to drugs.

That'd be kind of sick. I would call my parents and tell them, like call my family, tell them I love them and make sure anything that I wouldn't want people to see in my house

is put away. Tell my sister where it's at and that's hide the guns, whatever. The guns, nobody, you dead. Who gives a fuck? Who cares you got guns

in your house when you're dead? I don't want, you know, some people are not comfortable handling guns, though. What? You know, the marriage is crazy.

You think, You go hide the guns. You got 20 minutes to live. You hide the guns. Give me the vacuum. Give me the vacuum. Yeah. Fucking let me do it.

I'll fold the sheets. I want to know why you didn't hide them when you were alive. Yeah. They just out. They just ain't in my house. They just order on the fucking table. Like, okay, what's up? Ain't anybody in my house?

I got 20 minutes to live. I'm gonna cry. I don't know what the fuck. You know what? I respect that. I'm fucking crying like a baby. I got 20. I'm like, it's over?

This is it? I feel like I would fuck up the whole like speech to everybody. Like my last words, I'd overthink it too much. Yeah. It'd be awful. 20% off your next funeral arrangement.

Your next life. 3% off your next life. Use cold, Rory Mall. We're like, no, let's do it again. Damn, 20 minutes up. What's the little pamphlet you get at funerals? Obituary. I thought that was just what, like,

the obituary is on the pamphal, but there's other shit too. The, what is it called? It's not called the obituary, but I know what you're talking. The obituary is in that pamphlet, but it is a bunch of other stuff. Is it called the...

Program? Program. Yep. A program. Calling anything a program at a funeral is fucking hilarious. Yeah, the program. But isn't the program in the obituary? No, the obituary is just the...

The life summary. Yeah. Obituary is just Rory May 7th, 191. It's not... Okay. May 4th. Oh, shit. You're off the year and the day.

Oh, May 4th, 1990. Actually, no. I'm 91. It's cool. That's my industry age now. a year younger 34 or 35 you're still old as fuck doing an industry age for just one year younger

is fucking insane you took one year off your life with all that said Peach might be my call for 20 minutes I want to put together like the best funeral program ever with Peach

that'd be my first call oh the graphics yeah oh can we photoshop you in the casket we could just take the photo what if there was traffic in the casket she said can we Photoshop you in the casket

That's when we start live streaming from Rory's funeral. That'd be cool to just live stream and like then I guess just croak. I did that for one of my friends funeral because it was in Cali. So we had a lot. I didn't go. So we live on. That happened a lot during COVID. Yeah.

But that was all you could do during COVID. Yeah. Which was stupid. I mean, listen. I just asked if y'all were afraid of. If y'all were afraid of death, y'all said y'all aren't. Well, Rory's not. But me and him are both suicidal.

Afraid of death? No. But I ain't trying. trying to meet that motherfucker no time soon. I'm cool. I'm cool on that. Yeah, I'm not really. I always said this to my parents probably sounds awful.

I was like, I'm three of my grandparents were gone before I was born. And selfishly, I like that. I can't, I'm bad at grief. I rather just not know. It's darkest shit, but like, I knew one of my grandparents when he passed, it crushed me. So if I had to do that three more times,

I'm good. But I mean, I mean, I get that. If you do live a long, healthy life, a lot of people are going to die around you. Oh, no, I know. that's why to this scenario, not saying, Kelly, take me now, but like, I just, I hate grieving. And in this

scenario, I would just be the person to go. Hmm. Gotcha. That's like when some people, like, I never understood that. When some, some people really can't handle. Just take care of my plants, mall. No, I got you. I'll take care of your part. I'll smoke the motherfucker. Even a, even a, even a crossbreeder. Yeah. Some people really can't handle

like dark, like dark shit. Like, it'll like, granted, dark shit changes you, like, whatever. But it really turns some people off from ever, wanting to feel the good part of that feeling again. Like I know people who have lost a dog and they say they'll never get another dog because they never want to feel like that or people who have gotten their heartbroken and they stand on like, yo, I'm never loving again because I never want to feel that.

And I'm just like, yeah, I don't like, okay, that heartbreak or that grief or whatever might last a year or whatever, but like the good part lasted for years. You don't want to feel that again? Like, you're not optimistic about that part? Louis C.K. and Louis has a clip that's on YouTube called Love and Heartbreak that's very similar to what Demaris is saying. And they're pointing out that that is the actual beauty of it. Like, it's amazing that we get heartbreak grief. Like it means that we loved. That's the greatest part of this entire thing. Yeah. Is when you don't feel that is when it's, you know, you're a sociopath. He couldn't wait to get his heart broke again. You couldn't wait. He's like, yeah. The bad part is when you don't care anymore.

Once you don't care, it's like, all right, what the fuck is going on with life then? Yeah. What's that? Point of it. Yeah, YouTube that. Louis C.K., love and heartbreak scene. One of my favorite shows. Yeah.

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Lechheim. Oh, yeah, I wasn't like eavesdropping or you were telling someone. It was in the office. You were talking loud. Aren't you like working through your best man speech and you have like some really dark jokes that's going to make everyone comfortable? It's not a joke.

Like my brother is just about like a car accident or something. My brother almost died. Like, and I feel like I have to. Yeah, so bringing up at his wedding. Yeah, because it's like it makes sense in the whole thing. I don't know. I'll let you know guys know how it goes next week. Literally going to drain the energy.

It may crash and burn. We're just talking about those louis shit. Through the dark times come to... It's the whole thing. It's a similar message. Get it. Listen, if you start to bomb, just go to the toast. That's it.

That's a fact. Raise your glasses. Get drunk. We'll talk to you on a couple days. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger.

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Tickets. Everything is there. New episodes every week. It's the greatest multimedia experience that you could think of. Subscribe now. So I'll double down on what I'm saying. I think Jordan Peel made a very shitty low budget version of what

scary movie would be. I love scary movie. With what? Get Out? Yes. and I think the world interpreted as some deep fucking message. And I think when that movie first week hit, Jordan Peel was sitting in his living room like, holy shit, that's not my intention at all.

What deep message, though? I don't think that movie was supposed to be like, oh my God, I'm so like, this is so thought-provoking. I just think it was supposed to be just like an easy watch. There was a thousand think pieces. He think-piced his way into history. It only became... Other people.

It only thing piece because of the race at hand. He just flipped the dynamic. Usually it's just white people. He just threw some black people in the mix. But that trope, like that storyline of like the crazy people... We've seen it before.

We've seen it down. It's not like an original trope. He just put a black guy in the mix. Outside of Kean Peel, which I think was a great show, nothing Jordan Peel does with movies is original. I think Jordan Peel stinks as a fucking director.

I think he's an amazing sketchwriter and is a legend in his own right, because I even like Mad TV. I'm one of those weirdos. He is just awful at making movies. His movies stink. Did you watch all of them? Have you watched us?

He did us. I liked us. The best part of us was that they used like a clips beat in the trailer or some shit. That's sick. And he did Nope. Exactly. I didn't see No. I didn't see Noep.

That's what, uh... You said exactly. That's what, uh... Kiki Palmer. Kiki, yeah. No, I didn't see. I didn't see. I didn't see. see no. Waste of the genius

that Kiki Pomer is. No, she smokes this role. You didn't even see it. Kik Pomer is extremely talented. Did you watch Nope? Of course not. That's hate. You know me? I watched Get Out. That was enough of you? I think I needed to continue on. Do you see us? No. Us wasn't bad. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. I didn't see it, but I know it was. No, it wasn't. Wait, so you're saying you're no to movies you haven't seen. I've only

seen one. I'm that confident when it comes to Jordan Peele. and creating movies. Damn, that's your Chris Rock of comedy of movies. It's gonna sound like I'm hating, and I kind of am, but... You are. I like Key and Peel. I liked him on Mad TV.

I think he's great. Damn, that's cool. I laughed at the Cano No or whatever that cat movie was. I saw some scenes. They were funny. But when he tries to get in this serious satire horror bag, it's the biggest piece of shit. You're not fucking with it?

Like, I can smell how bad nope is. from here. I can smell it. Nope. It's good, man. I got to watch it. I got to check. I got to watch that one. That's the only one I haven't seen. And I'm not even like a Jordan Peel. Black Stories Matter. I'm not even, I'm not that guy.

On June 2. But they're decent films. That's what you said? What? No, I didn't say that. No. Like, it's just, I hate like the... Can you like get the fact sheet of Get Out and all the records that broke and everything? He got so... Ammunition for some of so fucking lucky.

Rory won't more ammunition for hate. Like, yo, yeah, get the accolades. No, because it has all the accolades. It broke fucking records. It has everything. Yeah. It's the biggest piece of low budget bullshit. Terrible writing.

It was shot horribly. It made $156 million. They probably spent $10 million. If that. If that. They maybe spent three, which, no, that's not hating. That's it. Bro.

That sounds like a legend right there. I'm just saying, You got lucky as shit. Highest grossing debut based on an original screenplay. You think that movie should have garnered that type of sales? Yeah. Okay. I think that it changed.

I think that it definitely changed the way I think movies look now, though. It eclips the Blair Witch Project. Do the movie stink now? Yeah. But that's the thing. But Roy, you're looking at someone, the film or not, which fine, you can say if the storyline or if the film itself isn't for you. the thing with that he does,

at least it's an original script. We don't see original stories in it. It's all the same bullshit. Yeah. It's like Batman and doing this or like all these superhero. Batman heroin. Yeah. Like another mission impossible.

It's like we're just regurgitating just like the stories that we know are successful. Top Gun 17. This is he's selling a new idea. What's the new idea that he's selling? A non-franchise film. Original screenplay. That's the only movies that come out? You're just ignored everything I just said.

He is. What am I ignoring? He's saying that this is an original screenplay. It's the highest grossing original screenplay. Yeah. That is something to be celebrated. Because now all we do is fucking remake fucking movies that we already know. I think that's unfair to say because even though, yes, that is true, the franchises, they just remake fucking everything.

I get it. But to say that there's no original screenplays within the last 10 years, that aren't insane. Okay. To say. And they're... Yeah, who did that movie? Who did the other movie that he was in? Jordan Peel or the actor Kaluah?

That Daniel Kluya is in. When they was him and the girl, they was on the run. Oh, who did that movie? That movie was dope. God, what is the name of that shit? It's like both their names, right? Queen and Slim. Queen and Slim was dope.

Who directed this one? Yeah. Good soundtrack, too. Melina. All right, what's better? Queen and Slim or Get Out? Oh, Queen and Slim. Original screenplay, right?

But Queen is, no, we know that story. That's the, that's the Bonnie and Clyde thing. Like that whole, we know that story. We know that story. They're on a run together, you know, the whole thing. We didn't know the Get Out story. I saw that coming from the opening fucking. Yeah, and no bullshit.

As soon as she came off, I was like, oh, it was her. That was the most predictable fucking movie ever. The best part of that movie was Little Rells, like, phone calls. They were hilarious, and other than that, it was a piece of fucking shit. it's okay to say that movie stinks man it's awful everything the writing's bad it's shot horribly i mean to your to your point i haven't watched that movie in a very long time there's not one of the movies i go back to and watch so right i really want you to watch nope that i am going to watch what's what's this what's this one about nope uh it's like uh alien alien is yeah they're on a they're on a

They're original ideas here. A horse breeder. And then there's like these clouds and this thing that kind of takes over the farm. Things start acting weird on the ranch. Then there's, I want to spoil too much. But it's, it's, it's. No, you can spoil it all. No, watch it.

Yeah. Well, no, I don't want to say too much. You said, you said horse breeder, clouds and aliens. That was the synopsis. All right. Well, Kiki Palmer and the, what's his name? I don't know how to pronounce his name. Daniel Kaluya.

Caluia. are his brother and sister, their dad has this farm ranch, something happens to him, now they're in charge. The shit starts acting up on the ranch, like the animals start acting weird,

and then there's like a fairground not too far off from where they are. You saw it, right? No, I didn't see it. You haven't seen it? That's what I just said. That's the only one of his movies I haven't seen.

Just watch the fucking movie. I don't want to spoil it. Listen, you sold it for me, bro. I'm gonna watch. You sold it for me. No, he sold my point. No, no. You just, you're going into it not fucking with George Bill.

I get it. It's okay. No one wanted to admit, get out is trash. I'm giving you the confidence. I will stand by you, everyone. This camera, it's okay to say get out was a piece of shit. I know that was taboo to say before. It was so important to the culture.

It's not. It stinks. Okay, that's fair. They're easy to watch. What did his other movies sell after Get Out? Nope. Did 172 million box office? that sounds good

yeah i don't know how i'm sure it cost far more than get out dude well i'm sure they gave him every budget in the world after get out as he should have like look what he did with it cost 68 to make grossed 170 yeah they just 2.3 fucking money yes they do

and i knees so imagine how is that just here's your here's your budget 68 million dollars and movies i mean there's more to it than but just production-wise, you're looking at shooting this at most three months. Most films are shot in two months. What's the director from Black Panther?

What's his name? Cooleger, Ryan Cooleer. Wasn't he going through something recently with the studio, I think? They're trying to say he doesn't. He doesn't own the movie or some shit like that. Did he own Blackhound? No, it was something. It was something.

I think that he was fighting. with them over a couple, like maybe a two years ago. Another confession. Never seen Black Panther. What? The original? The one that everyone loves as a recent? I never saw it.

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