New Rory & MAL - Episode 282 | Support Black Nepotism
Episode Date: July 5, 2024We’re back after a brief hiatus! We know you missed us, so we came back ready to talk about all of the events that transpired during our absence. We start off catching up with each other on the past... week, with Julian letting us know what his wedding swag was (5:06). Mal lets us know that white people are in Harlem kissing the feet of black Israelites (12:20), and tells us about his experience in honoring the life of a late friend of the show . The BET awards happened, and Mal was extremely disappointed in, well, everything (16:09). We break down the new Will Smith song/performance (19:09), the Usher tribute (33:45), and the winners (including the Tyla v. Sexyy Red debate) (52:58). Rick Ross made a bad decision and we discuss the recording that came out of him (and his DJ) receiving consequences for their actions (1:08:54). Bronny James got drafted to the Lakers, and we are honest about how we feel about it (1:24:13). By the way, was Derek Fisher a great player (1:44:06)? Tweet Mal and let him know what you think. Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese are teammates on the WNBA All Stars team and we debate which one of them is having a better rookie year (1:50:54). We briefly touch on the new music that dropped (1:59:14), and then get into the first voicemail: A sweet, summer child needs advice on an older man spinning her (2:04:15). We give her some brutal honesty (hey, she asked for it). Our second voicemail is from a gentlemen who had a bad experience with a woman and wants our permission to hate her (2:20:29). Who would we be if we didn't grant him that?Rest In Peace Upscale Cracc For MORE Rory & Mal, make sure you subscribe to our Patreon community, for exclusive episodes, first access to tickets and merch sales, private live chats with the team, + more! https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalFollow Rory: @ThisIsRoryFollow MAL: @MAL_ByTheWayFollow Demaris: @DemarisAGiscombeFollow Julian: @Julian__nicholas To watch the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALYouTube Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMAL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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The arsonist says oddly shaped feet.
It's disgusting.
No, I wasn't reading something from Twitter.
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I guess the vocal cords go different octaves.
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July 25th.
Is it 9th?
July 25th.
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You go to Philly to 29th and see who's...
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Tough word to say.
Yeah, city wine.
No, Philadelphia.
Yeah, that's a tough word to say.
Shalada.
Too many syllables.
Yeah.
It's weird how they named cities.
Like, I understand New York.
It's the New York.
What's Philadelphia?
Cream cheese, yeah.
Wait, they named Philly after cream cheese?
Yeah, definitely.
You never have Philadelphia cream cheese?
Of course I had, but I didn't, I thought that was named after the city.
The city was named after the cream cheese.
It's a Greek.
Like most origins, it's Greek words for love and brother.
That's why the city of brotherly love.
Holy shit.
Because it's certainly not named that after the people that live there.
Well, not anymore.
Those people moved out.
Yeah.
No love in Philly.
There's no love.
Yeah, those people that had love in Philly, they moved out.
Yeah.
Nothing about Eagles fans screams love.
Yeah, no, it's over.
But we are back.
Had a brief hiatus.
We are back.
We are back.
Good to see everybody.
Yeah, it's been a while.
It's been a while.
Julian was gone for like a week.
We haven't had the full crew in here, and I feel like two weeks.
was gone for a week.
That's amazing.
DeMaris was here.
DeMaris was tanning
and on rooftops and shit.
I should have been running around.
If you have a rooftop pool
in the tri-state area,
Paul DeMaris, she will show up.
She might make some of her amazing mango,
what is it?
Ceviche?
Mango.
Mango.
Did you like it?
It was amazing.
Wait, you think that for that?
When?
Yo, she could make some of us.
Why you sound like you mad?
I am.
You want to be in D.
You want to be in D.C.
You're going to miss out on that.
the mango, that's all. I did. I missed out.
Yeah, it's all good. You were enjoying, like, lemon
chicken and pasta, whatever they serve at weddings. Yeah, you went to
Nando's. I know he went to Nandoes in D.C.
Every wedding has pasta and lemon chicken.
Yeah. And, you know, we know
what you were doing. How did your best man's speech go?
It was really fun. Officiating
's great. And I... Congrats to
your brother. Yeah. And congrats to his
wife. Kendall and Liani.
It was a beautiful ceremony. I'm really happy.
I officiated it. First time I'm officiating.
And I'm nervous? I'm open for
higher. I loved it. Did you do this one
pro bono or like this is, yeah, this was on
the house. You got to set your rate early
this is on the house. This was for the, yeah, for the
family. But for the love. For the love.
It was fun because it was a moment
to obviously it's serious, but it's short,
but it's supposed to be fun, lighthearted, so there's a lot
of time to make jokes and
kept it clean. A lot of old people
there. So you got to, you know, play for the crowd
but it was fun.
I saw black magic still, the jump is still
clicking like the toe bulls. I saw it.
Yeah. The jump is still clicking. I saw it.
No, he was glowing this week.
Yeah, he shot that shit and walked away from it before it went in.
He knew it.
He knew that was good because sometimes you play a sport long enough.
You know.
As soon as it leaves your hands, you're like, that's a buck.
It's funny because we hit the court, and that's the first time we shot around in like a couple years.
And I have another great video of him from like Brooklyn during the pandemic.
But he golfs a lot.
So all his motions below his shoulders.
He doesn't do this anymore.
Yeah.
So we go out there and he's like, he doesn't step a foot in front of the three point line.
So he's pinging it off the front of the rim.
I'm like, dad, just take a step.
in. He's like, nah, fuck that.
They kept backing up. And then once his shoulder loosened
up, money. Yeah. It was just...
It was great. Blackmagics boy.
73. How would you dirty up the wedding vows, though? You said you
kept it clean. No, no, not the...
Not the vows, right? The best man's speech.
Oh, this... Well, so I told my brother
in Liani, I said, hey, look, I have a very serious note
because remember, I told you guys. Like, I wrote this letter
is very dark and sad.
And I don't want to, like, cast this, like,
dark cloud on a beautiful day.
Perfect for a wedding, right? As I said, I'll write you guys
a letter and mail it to you at another date. I have it written. I just have to put it. I just
want to write it out. I don't want to like type on the letter. And then what I said is once we
establish that, I'm probably not going to do a speech. And he was like, cool, cool. So we go to
the reception after a ceremony. The Kendall hands me the mic and goes, yo, like, say something.
I was like, what the fuck. I thought we weren't going to. I'm going to write it. So yeah,
I'll send you the letter. And I'm like saying this off the mic. And then Leani comes over.
Just like, no, I was like, fuck. So that was all off top. Oh, I blacked out.
like not off alcohol, just like in the moment blacked out.
There's film everywhere.
I could find the film and share it.
But I was great.
I tried to,
I kept it short,
kept it light.
And,
uh,
and that was the opportunity to be like more funny and just like kind of,
did you all cry?
I,
so it was funny.
When Leani came down when she was walking into the ceremony,
I was looking at Kendall watching him cry.
And I thought that would make me cry.
But I,
in that moment,
I was just like talking to him,
like kind of just like coaching.
him, whatever. And then I cried when her mother did a blessing and then after that, my mom did a
blessing. And when I went down to stand next to my mom while her mother was reading her blessing,
my mom and I were like small talking. And then as soon as she went up there and started talking,
I lost it. That was it. And then I had to like get my shit together to go back up there
to finish this. Well, Kendall was crying because he's like, just the last piece of ass. I'm going to get
my life. Stop. What? You know, Kendall was up to like, this is it? I mean, you never know in like 30, 40 years
they could end up on a swingers cruise.
Yeah, but they could develop into a new relationship.
Yeah, but we know when you go on those things,
Swinger cruises, nude beaches, the pick of the litter is not what you think it is.
Especially on the cruise.
Yeah, you'd rather just be faithful.
My wife looks better than all of these girls.
I'll just take the open bar and free ice cream on this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Kendall was up there crying, you know, because he knew this is it.
I'm talking about.
Fuck is wrong with it.
I'm promising God.
I thought that's a beautiful sentiment.
Yeah, I'm promising God to never cheat on this, this woman.
Like, this is my life partner.
I'm going to honor her death before dishonor and all of those other things.
things. I believe that's in the exact
Yeah, that's exactly how I said.
Before this ring on her saying
all that shit. I'll die
live by the code. Die by the code.
Yeah, I'm definitely going to put that. Yeah.
I'm putting that in my vows. Death
before dishonor. Yeah, that's what it is. I'll
die before I dishonor my wife.
I'll die. Give me death. But there is
some home mall. They're not rushing
into kids. I don't even think they want kids.
So they're just, they're vacationing.
They're living life. They're going to Bali for their honeymoon.
They're like doing it right. They're not
rushing into like slowing down.
Bali's on my list, like my bucket
travel list.
Yeah, as soon as they lock Russell up,
I'm gonna go.
Yeah, some as they get his ass up out of it.
Yeah, the moment you get there, you're gonna see
puff and Russell.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's go somewhere else.
Roll it's gonna be yoga masks.
I'll go visit Bali.
Like, get them nasty nigs out of here first.
Remember that church I was telling you guys about
that I went to that made the pregnant women sit in the back?
Yeah.
So I also went to a wedding for someone at that church.
No, you went to a church that made the pregnant women sitting there?
Is the bathroom back there?
It's like the last pew.
if they had a baby outside of wedlock
you had to sit in the last pew
while they were pregnant or post
pregnancy? Both while they were pregnant
I was gonna say it could be a nice gesture
they had to sit back there with the kids too
I told you didn't tell us but you didn't tell us they had to sit back
there after they had the kids
yeah that's fucked up you and your rug rats
get to the back
and then what was so annoying
was if you got there late and you had to be
in the second to last few and then you just had
a bunch of like fatherless children screaming
behind you it was never fun
because it's you know it's hard to hear
the Lord when you have a toddler screaming.
Yeah, naturally.
But that same pastor, right?
So I went to a wedding and he conducted the wedding.
Out the gate, you know, the I do's.
That part takes like 10 minutes.
Not at all right.
He said, yo, I'm so happy to be here.
And you want to know why?
Not because I've known this woman her whole life.
It's because it's a man and a woman and not two men.
And they went on a gay rant for about 30 minutes while the bride in the room are just standing there like this.
I should have done that.
You miss you out of too?
Just roll up the script.
This is a real wedding.
Like not two people that love each other.
Like, I'm just so happy it's a man and a woman.
This is what weddings were designed for, man and women.
Not that other thing that's going on out there.
If people think white rednecks are the most homophobic people, just go to the hood.
Yeah, no.
I'll say that over the top.
Oh, God, black people are awful.
DC is super gay, by the way.
You didn't know that?
You had a ball.
Yeah, of course, I'm gay, whatever.
Extra product in there.
No, I was saying like I know, I understand it was during June.
So like every bar, every establishment had like the pride.
They go overload there.
But I was like, yeah, like I get it for like the business perspective.
But then I was looking around.
I was like every couple, every like dinner couple, every walking couple, every, every couple was just a gay couple.
I was like, is this like this is just D.C.
I didn't know how gay like.
But it's also the last weekend of pride.
Well, they don't just go into hiding.
They live there.
No, but it's like that's the biggest weekend.
Is it not?
Well, some of them do go in to hide it.
Some of them ain't come out that closet yet.
How that debate went, it's looking like they may need to hide.
But we'll get to that.
Yeah.
But no, the last weekend, because they had the pride parade here on Sunday, right?
So they have there as a different weekend.
I was mad.
I missed it.
They stagger them because they don't want to do all the big cities the same week.
Ah, yeah.
They do the same thing with St. Patrick's Day.
I'm serious.
They stagger.
Like Jersey City won't do it right on St. Patrick's Day because Manhattan does it.
And like Hoboken will do it a different day than Jersey City.
Because we want you out to come here too?
Yeah.
Yeah, I get it.
So everyone can make their rounds.
Thinking that people that go to the Jersey City Parade won't go to the Hoboken Parade because
it's like.
No, they purposely do it different days because everyone wants to go to all of them.
And so that a gunman won't just run around and shoot everybody at once.
Like you can't get like two parades in one day.
That's why.
I don't know if that's why.
And I don't know.
Usually the shooters are from the St.
Patrick's Day Parade.
I was talking about pride, but not St. Patrick's Day Parade is safe because those
shooters are actually in the parade marching.
Yo, baby, they'd be having the craziest stats.
Like, where do you get your dad?
You're like, yeah, where did you read?
TikTok?
Yeah, I remember when Baby Dee said, nah, the white people
marched with the black people so that they could shield them.
And then everybody told you that I was right?
It was two people that said. It was two priests.
Yeah.
We did, we, we fact check.
No, it was more than that.
I'm not going into that. I was already proven right.
You already apologized to me that I was right.
So we're just going to, that fact, I was
Right. But I think that's white people that...
This I just made up.
I think that's the white people that go with the black people they know.
Like, I find it hard to believe that if my black ass was at a Black Lives Matter rally
and the cops start fucking me up, that some white people that didn't know me were going to come and help me.
Just doesn't happen like that.
I don't know.
That time was wild.
They were doing some crazy shit to get likes by blacks.
They were on their knees kissing black people's feet.
They do that every day on the 25th Street with the Israelites.
You had the fucking Congress or the senators, whoever they were, down.
there in Kintay Kloff. Do y'all not remember
2020 and how fucking
this was them? Remember they were asking
black people for forgiveness? Thank you. So you
can't believe that they would line up in front of you on the front
line so that the police wouldn't hit you. You can't believe that that would
happen? That's a mental illness though. Wait, wait, wait. Maul, you're
telling me now. Those white people in there, those are mentally ill white.
This new set of whites. The ones after my generation. They're standing
on pavement that says George Floyd.
Are bowing down to Israelites in 125th? You didn't know that?
We used to cross the street when we heard
them yelling. We were petrified. Yeah. But no, there's some people, there's some white people
that go up to them and start having a conversation, like about the Bible and, you know, all
of that, and they start breaking it down. And then when they feel like, oh, damn, I've been
wrong about y'all all my life. I'm sorry. But yeah, now get on your knees and kiss my feet.
And they start doing that shit. I'm telling y'all some real shit. Go to, so, baby, that's
been happening in the hall of you. I've seen that forever. These liberals at Columbia are taking
this shit to the next thing. Yeah, you know, it's crazy. It's a crazy time in the world right now,
but I think it's entertaining
so it is what it is, man.
Oh man, I mean, y'all know what's not.
I'm on with the Israelites.
Yeah, I get it.
I'm just, I'm not kissing anyone's feet.
No, no, no, no.
I rock with y'all.
That's what I'm saying.
That's a, that's a specific type of person
that will get down and kiss a random person's feet.
I never saw that George Floyd clip before.
That's wild.
There's some even worse ones out there.
It was, we lived in a very insane time.
It was crazy.
It was 2020 was by far,
2020 and most of 2021 was by far.
some of the weirdest times where we will ever live through.
I mean, you can just have good dialogue with your black friends and do your part.
Nah, why would they do that?
Why don't you do them private?
You got to do them public.
You can educate yourself, talk to your black friends.
No, that's a good start.
They want to censor themselves.
Maul, how was your weekend?
It was a little bittersweet.
I had to go to, went to a funeral service for my guy, chef, Jamal, James Kent,
rest in peace to chef.
But the service was a, it was a beautiful.
service. Then they had a celebration of life late on that night at the refinery, the domino
sugar refinery, and I think it's in Brooklyn.
In Williamsburg. Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful space.
They just re-did it, right? Yeah. It's a big project, a lot of money. Yeah, that's a beautiful.
It was a, you know, it was a sad occasion, but it was also talking to people there, I was like,
your chef is definitely like smiling because some of the, obviously, some of the top chefs
in the world were there. Yeah. They had a bunch of stations set up where, you know, all of
chefs had prepared food. So it was food. You know, Stretch Armstrong was DJ and Quest Love did a set.
So it was music. It was everything that that chef was. He was from New York. It was New York
to the fullest in there. Everybody had on sneakers, like, because that was chef's thing.
The food was incredible. The ambiance, the atmosphere. It was just, it was a beautiful night
for a sad occasion, you know, being that chef passed. But it was definitely a beautiful night.
And after that, I just was with the fam.
A couple friends hung out a little bit in the city, went to eat.
Like, nothing crazy.
I kept the chill for the most part.
I'm like, well, yeah, rest of peace to chef, man.
Rest and peace to Chef, Kent.
And if you're ever in New York City, you get a chance, stop by Crown Shy, have a drink,
get something to eat if you want.
You know, if you want to go to Overstory and get a drink, they're still in business.
They're still pushing forward with a lot of the things that chef had set out to do.
set out to do. So if you ever in New York City, definitely stop by Crown Shy and, you know,
have a drinking honor of talented and legendary chef Kent. Yeah. I feel like a lot, a lot happens
in the week that we haven't been here. Yeah. Oh, it felt like a month. What happens when you just
take a couple days off and just let the world do what they do? Mm-hmm. Insane things happen.
Oh my God. Where do we want to start? Do you want to start with BT?
We start light and then get to the shit that happened right after we,
our last episode. I think the night of.
Okay. All right, so let's do that.
We'll go with BT to start. Let's start with the BT.
First of all, shout out to everyone
that was nominated
or won a BET Award
this weekend in Los Angeles.
Obviously, the BET
Awards is a staple. We grew up watching.
We grew up supporting.
It's our night, quote-unquote, black entertainment.
That quote-unquote is crazy.
You know, I mean, quote-unquote, it's our
night, if you want to call it that.
So, yes, I don't know which one this was.
How many awards have they been so far?
This is the whatever annual, whatever number it was.
Who gives a shit?
Doesn't matter.
I think that it's time to have a real conversation about BET.
Who owns BET?
Who runs BET?
I believe Disney's actually trying to sell them for $1.2 billion or something currently.
or Paramount's
Paramount's trying to sell to Disney
something was in those headlines
let's fact check that
Yeah it's a subsidiary of Paramount currently
Yeah so Paramount's trying to sell it
for over a billion dollars
So I mean I guess that should give you your answer
But you're saying BT in general or the BT Awards
BT in general
Okay because I've been on the side of the BT awards
Being pretty good for the last five years
I think they've gotten it kind of right
I don't think so
I think that and it's not
I don't want to put it all because it's a bigger story.
It's a bigger conversation to have.
It's not just BT.
I think that the BET Awards that just happened spoke to the lack of talent that we have right now in the music industry.
Lack of talent that's being pushed to the mainstream, you mean?
But I don't know if that's a BETT Awards fault.
No, I didn't say that.
It's part of the ecosystem, but.
It's what they're picking from what they have.
Yeah.
And they're trying to put together their best show.
But it's, we have to do something, man, because this is, um, this BET Awards.
I was watching it and I couldn't believe how bad it was.
But why do you say it was what was bad about it, Ma?
Well, first of all, they only give out how many awards?
On TV, they only give a film.
Yeah, they only do as a cut of certain awards for television.
Yeah.
And then the performances.
Okay.
Say who sucked.
Say it.
Yeah.
I mean, I think.
everybody sucked outside of Victoria Monet and Tiana Taylor.
You're going to put some respect on Chloe Bailey name.
That's what you're going to do.
Oh, she was good, too.
She was amazing.
She was the best performance of the night.
You're going to put some respect.
I don't know if she did better than Victoria.
Yes.
I don't know if she performed better than Victoria.
Victoria Monet is a superstar.
She's the next, she is the next superstar that we have right now, the one that I think
everybody can look at.
I like Chloe, too.
She did her thing.
In like Will Smith's return?
And that's another
See
No, because I thought
When they announced
Will Smith
I thought Will was going to
address the audience
I thought he was going to
speak to the BET
audience,
his audience,
his people
because we haven't had
Will Smith
at an award show
since obviously
the whole Chris Rock
incident
at the Oscars
So I thought
he was going to use
this platform
to talk to us
specifically
The song talks
Turn that shit off
Nobody want to hear that
You don't want a new Will Smith song in 20 way forward?
I don't want to hear it.
The sun coming up.
I don't,
and I know what beat's grand rising.
He's moving on from the person he was when he smacked Chris Rock.
Cut the shit.
I actually hate that he did this.
And the reason why I hate that he did this is because Will Smith doesn't need a red.
You don't need a redemption.
Like, you don't need the black church ladies to forgive you.
You smack that nigga.
It's okay.
Let's move on.
You just grossed like a billion dollars in like a box office.
Like you're straight, bro.
But you know how Hollywood and just entertainment works in general.
Like,
a comeback. You have to do this
and add the sauce to it to just
show you're a new person because that's what the
mass is love. He ain't a new person.
Of course he's not. He was smack again.
Wait, you think all that you think... Let Chris make
another G.I. Jane joke.
So you guys think these celebrities that go to rehab
then do the Gail King interview
and then just get right back on drugs?
Come on, man. Of course they were lying to us.
This is just part of the story. Yeah, but that's...
See, I wouldn't have been mad at it if Will took
that time. Have him perform.
Great. He's Will Smith. He's, you know, he's fucking
He's one of the most legendary artists and performance that we have.
We understand that.
But I would have liked for him to address the audience and address the viewership about, you know, obviously what happened a few years ago.
Because this was his first appearance at an award show since that.
So I thought that they would have used this moment for Will to just say, yo, listen, man, you know, we make mistakes.
I made a mistake.
It was fucked up.
you know, like it was wrong.
I apologize.
No, they hit him with the rain.
When has Will ever been that guy since maybe boycotting the Grammys, whatever year that was?
Yeah, but don't, don't, don't not be that guy, but then show up to the BET Awards to perform a new record that nobody cares about.
I think one of the most human moments we've gotten from Will is him smacking Chris Rock out of all the built-up anger he's been holding on to for a decade.
Yeah.
And said, keep my fucking wife's name.
That was the most human moment I've seen.
I didn't agree with it.
I'm cool with that.
I thought it was corny.
I'm cool with that.
But that was the most human moment I've seen from him.
I don't think we're ever going to get another human moment from him.
And I'm okay with that.
I'm okay with people making mistakes.
But my thing is, we don't need this performance.
You don't need a choir.
We don't need Sunday service choir.
We don't need you to say Kirk Franklin.
We know that's Kirk Franklin.
We can see him.
Like, we don't, we don't need that.
For the new fans.
Yeah, but this is, it's just, like, B.T.
B.T. used this Will Smith moment because they knew people would tune in to see Will Smith
because this was his first time at an award show.
But it's also, Will is putting out new shit as well.
Is he really?
This wasn't just for that moment?
Will is using Coachella.
Will is using BT, the same way any other artists would.
Why would he put out more music?
Nothing wrong with that.
They were using each other.
Yeah, but I just, don't use me, though.
You can use BT.
You can use Will Smith, but don't use me.
Like, don't give me that because it's just like, all right, the performance cool.
I still don't know the name of the record.
I'm not going to download.
I don't either.
I'm not going to stream it.
It's called You Can Make It off his upcoming album.
get it ready for this name dance in your darkest moments
ew no way that's the name of a fucking album you see what I'm saying
all right yeah I'm thinking he slapped them for the rollout all my faves just
this was always the plan my own case this shit is crazy this is fucking so lame
you know his white ass PR team Sab now is like this is your look it's your dark you down
bad but we still dancing because you're will we love you this is probably the same exact
PR team that did Justin Timber Lake Man in the Woods this feels like the same
And this wouldn't be, that, that Oscars moment wouldn't have been considered a dark moment if he slapped Chris Rock at the BT Awards.
We wouldn't have cared about it that.
But the fact that it was on an Oscar stage in front of that part of Hollywood.
I can't want to see the album cover.
That demographic, now it's my darkest way.
If that was that big, not many niggas get slapped at the BETT Awards?
Niggas get slapped every year at the BTW.
Ain't nobody having to.
Didn't Tony Ayo and Gunplay get a full fair one at the D.C.
It's a whole fair one.
That shit don't, you know what I mean?
Like that get happened at the BT.
Like nobody would have been tripping.
Like that'd have been like, oh shit,
Will Smith slap the shit out of Chris Rock
in the BT it was.
That would have been it.
I don't think the darkest moments.
The Chris Rock shit I think was
the end of the dark moment.
Like, if he doesn't discuss all that other shit,
I don't give a fuck about the Chris Rock thing.
That was manifesting all the dark moments
into his hand.
Listen, man.
And then trying to get them out.
Will is from Philly.
Chris Rock, that's not a dark moment.
That's because you holding shit forever.
Because you didn't address your dark moments.
So you went and did that.
So don't give me this performance.
So there's not a whole record, a disc record to August Alcena.
I don't really care about dancing to his darkest moments.
To be fair, B.T. always has a gospel segment with somebody, somebody would a choir always come out.
Which is fine.
This year was Will.
This year was Will.
Because we know Will to be that, right?
No gospel artists?
So what?
You can change.
You can make a gospel song.
Will ain't changed?
Yo, Willa slap the shit out of somebody tomorrow.
We're talking about.
Wait a minute.
Because as the music faded out.
Will said nobody gets an easy ride.
We all have our cross to bear, but there is
wisdom in that fire. And every single
moment of your life is a brand new opportunity.
We are not afraid. We are not being
punished. We are not being forged. Dance in your
darkest. Do you playing victim
for smacking someone is hilarious.
Like, get the fuck out. He's not playing victim. Yes, he
is. I don't think that he's, this is my
thing. And like, he didn't even play victim
when his wife was fucking someone
in their crib, but now he's playing victim
because he smacked someone else.
We all have a cross to bear.
nigga, you just slap somebody.
What cross is that the bear?
I feel like, okay.
Get your jokes off, do you think?
No, I'm being serious.
No, truth is that important.
No, go ahead.
What is the truth?
He didn't slap somebody?
This is my honest opinion.
Okay, yes, he slapped somebody,
but y'all are making it about the slap.
Very obviously, Will was not in the best mental state,
and that led to the slap.
It's not like he was just like happily a great person,
mental was good and he slapped somebody.
No, because if it was, he would have never done that.
Just because you slap somebody don't mean you're not in the best mental state?
Sometimes niggas need to be smacked.
Okay.
So it is what it is.
But don't give me this rollout of,
we all have a cross to bed,
but there's wisdom in that fire.
Nigger, you're just mad because them white people said
you can't come back to the Oscars for a few years.
That ain't across the bed.
And you have a movie and album to sell.
Yeah, fuck the Oscars.
Like, okay.
Well, he don't have a movie to sell.
The movie sold.
Movie is selling very well.
Clearly.
He ain't missing no meals no time soon.
He's both Smith.
A-lister.
So I think that I do think that will...
Certified A-Lister.
Smack Chris from A to B.
You smacked him down a peg.
Yeah.
Immediately became B-lister.
Well, I like...
But to me...
All right, to me, this weird comparison,
but like, have you ever seen criminals
murder people for decades?
Then they get caught,
and then they get on the stand
and like, I want to change my life
and I'm going to tell on everyone
and now I'm a Christian.
This is the same shit to me.
All right.
You did some bullshit.
You smacked Chris Rock.
And now you're reaping all the consequences
because you can't go back to the Oscars.
And now it's like, well, it was a dark time.
We all, we all have a cross to bear.
I'm a Christian now.
Take me back.
Is it possible that maybe he actually feels this way?
Is it possible that he actually feels this way?
Maybe.
Will Smith is from Philadelphia.
He don't feel no type of way about slapping a nigga in the face.
I'm not talking about the slap.
July 25th.
Y'all are making it all about the slap.
I'm not talking about the slap.
Is it possible that he wasn't in a great mental state period?
Fuck the slap.
and now he's on a healing journey
and he wants to release art about it.
Y'all sit up here and complain
about all the fucking negative
shoot him up, kill him, murder him music that we get
and then somebody releases positive music
and y'all find a way to tear it apart.
So I'm just wondering.
I would tear Will Smith's music apart
even if he didn't slap nobody.
If that wasn't, if that moment didn't happen,
this album would not be coming out.
Okay.
But at the end of the day, it's positive music
if he wants to release it.
Why y'all got to kick his back in?
Baby D. I think you missed one.
I'm not mad at the music.
I'm just saying if you're going to give us a performance like that at the BT Awards, I think
you also have to give Will Smith that time to say, listen, I think you're not this little
fucking the shit that they put in the description once your song releases on DSPs.
Don't give me that speech.
Give me, yo listen, man, we all know what happened a couple years ago on that Oscar stage.
It's fucked up.
It was terrible, whatever, whatever.
Like, you know, I spoke to Chris.
Maybe I didn't.
address the audience, don't give me this shit.
Why would he address the audience two years later?
Because this is his first time on a stage at a fucking show since that happened.
This is his first time in front of a fucking show in front of an audience where people are sitting there and we all know what happened.
So if you're going to give me this redemption song, if you're going to give me this redemption song and have Sunday service behind me and have Kirk Franklin come out the back after he then did 20 burpees.
Then I just found out who his father was.
Yeah, like, Will, then give me to, yo, listen, man,
BT, this is my first time in front of y'all since all that shit happens.
I let it.
I let it.
I just have that.
I want to, I want to curse that on stage, too, because that was the craziest story I ever heard in my fucking life.
I didn't say that.
I just was going to let him rock.
I like when Friday gets in his gospel bag, though.
It just felt very much like an easy way for Will not to have to address the shit that he did.
Wait, it's literally the Sunday service choir.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yes, this I'm saying.
It's like this whole prediction.
I cut this shit, man.
We know what this.
I'm not mad at will per se.
I'm just mad at this system that big celebrities do every single time where they don't have to take accountability.
They don't have to have consequences really happen on them.
They don't have to address anything.
They can have a PR team that just puts them into this Christian box, throws it in our face, and we're just supposed to move on.
Y'all never fall for this kid.
Everyone else has to literally live in the decisions they make and deal with the consequences and come to the front of the stage when we,
fuck up. But these guys can just get a slot at a fucking award show, get the Sunday service choir,
and now it's like, damn what, Will is a good guy, you know? I'm just wondering. I overestimated
that whole smacking someone that was minding their fucking business on stage. So he had, he wasn't
minding this fucking business, but we're not going to go into that. We're not going to reap right
history. Niggas rewrite history a lot. Niggas was not minding their business. Well, he, I mean,
he was talking about everyone, but he was doing his job. But you, come on. We already had the
he didn't say come up here and fight me. At the end of the day.
we already had this conversation about the history between him, Will, and Jada,
and why that joke specifically, we already had this conversation 50 times.
So this isn't about that.
What I'm saying is if somebody has a spotless career to the point where they didn't even
cuss in their rap music, they're like they literally could have been a fucking Disney star,
a spotless career.
They make one big fuck up on a big stage.
You're sent up here saying, oh my God, celebrities don't have to deal with the consequences
of their actions.
How do he not have to deal with the consequences of his actions?
Because he was able to release a box office smash
and sell of a billion in sales in a week.
Because what he did was not that horrific.
You literally said there and say that people get smacked every day.
That's my point to you.
It wasn't that horrific.
So why are we getting this whole redemption?
No, I get what you're saying.
He's saying, oh, celebrities don't have to deal with the consequences of their actions.
You don't think that he's faced enough consequences for that little ass action?
What's he faced?
What do you think that?
What is he faced?
He just can't go to the Oscars for a couple years.
Okay.
No, like, for real, though, what has he been?
Bro, he was in the fucking news headlines for months.
His own peers were...
He's been in...
Will Smith.
He's in the news headlines
every other month.
Okay.
When Jayne was fucking August
South Sina, he was in the headlines.
When they sat down at the red table,
he was in the headlines.
That's who Will Smith is.
He's one of the biggest stars we have.
He's going to be in the headlines.
My thing is, don't give me this fake redemption song
and dance shit when you just slap somebody.
It's like, come on, bro.
Like, I get it.
You slapped him.
You shouldn't have.
That was corny.
We all agreed to that.
You shouldn't slap Chris Rock.
That was whack.
But we ain't say, yo, Will, get out of here.
You canceled.
And I also don't want him to do like an onyx remake and double down on the smack.
Like just neither of those options.
Nah, but he said God opens a window when the devil closes the door.
Believe me, they tried to bleed Will Smith.
In the rear view, I see adversity was the gift.
To lift me higher, gifts require faith.
Ducking all accountability.
I was the first person on this pod to come up and say how excited I was when he did the men and black shit at Coachella.
That was cool.
We all love Will Smith.
We can just see.
That was great.
That was tight.
This is not a specific thing with Will.
We have just seen this same exact play happen in PR history nonstop.
And it's getting annoying in play.
Like when Bieber did it.
It's corny.
It's corny.
Reves too.
Like one of my favorite albums.
It's a fucking amazing album.
But they painted a cross on his chest for the album cover.
It's like come the fuck on.
Like what are we doing here?
Yeah.
At least, yo, I'll give Beavs even more credit though,
because he did the corny Christian route.
But at least he did a roast and then went up there.
Yeah, true.
After the roast was like, I'm a Christian now.
You guys can't say anything bad about me.
Anything I've ever done bad.
Don't speak to me.
If Will did a roast?
Will needs to get roasted.
That like, to me, I...
At least there's some accountability.
And you know who has to host it?
Chris Rock.
Chris Rock.
They got to close it.
Chris Rock has to host the roast.
And you know what's funny?
If the two of them probably had a conversation,
I think Chris Rock would be down for that with no hard feelings.
They already said before that Will was reaching out, reaching out, reaching out, trying to get in touch with Chris.
Chris don't want nothing to do with him.
No, Chris don't want to have a conversation about hearing.
He's sorry.
He fucked up.
Yeah, I don't even fuck about that conversation.
Let me go on stage and roast your ass in front of millions of people, though.
Let me go up there and pan fry your ass and then we cool again.
And matter of fact, when Chris Rock did his live Netflix show, most of the response was he took it way too far.
He just kept calling them bitches.
Like, that was, how could you do that to the Smiths?
Just smacked him on stage.
She can't call him a bitch for doing a bitch move.
Right.
He was calling her a bitch, I think.
That's what people were complaining.
No, he was going, I mean, I think he probably called Jada bitch too.
But he was mainly calling Will a bitch.
The backlash was for calling Jada a bitch.
That's what the backlash was for.
Yeah, I think I do remember being able.
But either way, the BET Awards was very, and then let's get to the horrendous part of the night.
Honor and Usher.
Now.
What didn't you like about this?
I'm going to get to it.
How much time you got?
Usher is by far one of the most talented artists that we have ever had and probably will ever have.
I think that's solidified.
We know that.
So when they said they were honoring Usher, I was like, and I think we talked about it like, damn, like, you got to really get motherfuckers that could perform.
If you're going to honor somebody like Usher, a great performance as he is, you got to have people up there that,
going to really like do it justice.
So they get into the honoring of usher and the first nigga we see is Childish Gambino
and a pajama set like he's in Cabo.
That is definitely a resort dinner outfit for sure.
Don't do that.
Don't do what.
It's a great outfit.
No, it's not.
All right, never mind.
Actually, you know what?
I'll take that back.
It's not a bad outfit.
It's a bad outfit if you're honoring another man.
You can't.
You don't want to all one.
You can't be up there with no
motherfucking window curtains on
and your feet out
honoring a man.
You can't, you can't do that.
This is the same shit he went to the-
Why not?
This is the same shit he went to the BET Awards in.
He had just presented an award in that outfit.
This nigga, listen, Donald Glover.
Should have brought an overnight bag?
Donald Glover is one of the most talented,
most creative people we have.
There's no doubt about that.
I think he's from the same cloth as a Jamie Fox.
like he is one of those type of talented people.
Love Donald Glover.
But you cannot honor another man
and we can see through your clothes.
All right, so the issue was the fit,
not the actual song to perform.
No, it was the fit.
Look at him.
It's a good fit.
Well, I'm gonna.
It's a good fit.
Not for this.
If this nigga was about to go have
fucking lunch in fucking Mexico,
he looks amazing.
Okay, but you don't think Usher,
especially in his early days.
Usher didn't want to see Donald Glover.
She wore some questionable things of that era.
Usher, he never was on stage with his feet out.
Well, to be fair.
The My Way video.
Show me Usher with his foot.
I was young, but I remember that era of Usher.
I don't give a fuck what you're saying.
Show me Usher on stage with his feet out.
Was received very well on how Usher was dressing during the My Way era.
Show me Usher on stage with his feet out.
I mean, he never wore a shirt.
What I will say is that looking at the production of what they, I doubt that it was his idea to wear that.
No.
No, the feedout was definitely his idea.
I think.
that that was a last minute edition
when Donald Glover
walking the building.
I don't think so because
Kiki also had white on.
He has white on in the blue lights.
The dancers have
that was on purpose.
They told him to wear white.
Like I can look like
the creative director told him to wear white.
So that means put on
fucking linen with no drawers?
Who said he got no drawers on?
That's wild.
That's wild.
That's wild.
That I peeped.
That I peeped.
I was watching my television.
What the fuck you mean?
I peeped.
I mean, you got crazy.
You act like I walked in his dressing room
and opened the door like,
Yo, what you wearing?
I'm watching my television.
The first person we see is Donald Glover with linen on his feet out.
Okay, fair enough.
And he did his favorite spin move, the Donald Glover spin.
Kiki Palmer, does that not make sense to you?
I get it.
I get it.
But Kiki Palmer wasn't supposed to be up the honor or not sure.
Yeah, but we know why she is.
I just said I get it.
But come on, man.
I think it would have been better if someone else was to do it and they brought Kiki on stage to dance.
Kiki should not have been singing.
I kind of feel like if we're starting with childish, we should go right to Sierra.
Like, we should get right to the shits.
Yeah.
Sierra would have been perfect for this.
I know she's...
Sierra just had a baby or is having a baby.
I know, but I'm just saying hypothetically, if someone's honoring Usher,
Sierra's like the first person in my head.
Yeah.
Victoria Monet came out.
Makes sense to me.
Makes a lot of sense.
Amazing.
Tiana Taylor came out.
Dancer?
Makes a lot of sense to me.
And I like the whole spin on having the women.
Honor Usher because, you know, Usher has had his residency and he's been serenating the women.
And I get that whole spin on it.
Cocoa Jones was even great.
Perfect.
Great.
But I just think when you talk about honor and Usher and this is what you come up with,
I think that it speaks to the lack of options that we have right now in the music industry.
Well, you're saying a lack of options, but you've literally said everybody but Kiki Palmer and Childish Gamb.
Bito did amazing. She did fucking amazing.
You need to go watch that performance again.
She did, Chloe didn't see. Chloe surprised me.
I like her and I think she's extremely talented.
She's a great performer. But I wouldn't think off
RIP, Chloe would be the one
to honor usher. And I'm saying, I was surprised.
I know how talented Chloe is.
We talked about honoring usher. I was like, all right,
that's not who I would think, but she did great.
Okay, Maul, who else would you have preferred
to see you do this? Because if we're doing all women,
then they pick the right, outside of Kiki, they pick the right
women if you're doing all women.
Yeah, listen, Tiana, like I said, Tiana
Victoria Monet, who I think is a superstar,
Chloe did her thing, Cocoa Jones sounded great,
she looked great, I get it, but I just
think that overall
there is a lack
of, like, Usher literally has either
no successors.
He does not. Or
no peers. Outside of Chris. From the women's side?
From the women's side, it's tough.
I mean, you know, just
period. Well, they had to do women
because he has no male peers, and the one
male peer that he does have Chris,
they don't fuck with each other. So
what do you do?
It's tough, man.
Like having Tenache up there makes no sense
to me. And Tanase
she's somebody that I think
that you know, we've given a lot of slack over the years
but Tanashi, she's talented. She's very talented.
She's a very talented. Especially on the day.
But we're talking about, we're talking
by honoring Usher Raymond. So you keep
saying who wouldn't be your first pick? We're asking
you who would be your first pick?
I said mine.
If y'all.
Sierra would be my first.
Obviously, Sierra's pregnant.
So, or you just had a baby.
Obviously, Tiana Taylor, they got that right.
Victoria Monet, I think they got that right,
even though she's, quote, unquote,
considered new artists,
but even though Victoria's been in the industry for years.
I would like to see her.
Sing? Okay.
I would like to see her perform.
If we're going to do an all-female set.
Her doing you got it bad would have been kind of hard.
Playing the guitar?
Yes.
Yes.
Or let it burn.
She would smoke, let it burn.
To be fair, her was just on his Super Bowl set,
so her only got so much usher in her.
Who else?
We're doing just women, right?
I mean, you can do men if you can find them.
I mean, your favorite artist, Bruno Mars.
Where was he at?
He'd be great, but he owes a lot of people, a lot of money.
Everybody said they.
So he needs to perform.
They're saying that they got Bruno, like in handcuffs in Vegas.
Like, they're not letting him go.
He's tied to a blackjack table.
He can't go anywhere.
He's been going in Vegas going crazy.
That's been the rumor for a long time.
But like somebody like Bruno Mars would have been dope.
I think Neo, if we're allowed to do male singers.
Neo would have been dope.
Okay.
I mean, we got to, it's just.
Um, O'Maryon, if we're doing men.
Oh, wait.
I agree.
I agree.
I agree.
I agree.
Y'all don't agree.
I do agree.
If O'Maryon would have came out there and started dancing to honor us,
you niggas would have had that nigger in 30,000 memes in two minutes.
Yes, but it doesn't matter.
It doesn't make.
Okay, that might be true, but I still think, O'Maryon could do a great, especially on
the dancing side.
Amaria could dance.
He could sing.
Well, he's talented.
But honoring Usher, y'all would have killed him for that, January.
Not really, though, because Omarian was coming on, was coming up in the era when Usher was his strongest.
Like, that was, they used to call Omari and Lil Usher.
Like, Omarian, Chris Brown, like, when they were coming up, obviously Chris went farther.
But when they were coming up, like, they compared him to Usher.
So that wouldn't have surprised me now.
Well, any male artist that sings and dances well, they're going to compare it to somebody like Usher, like Usher, because Usher is arguably one of the greatest.
Like so it is what it is
But I just
Amarian, I get it
But I don't
I think that would have been more of
A joke than anything
I don't think people would have took Amari
I don't think people would have took Amari in serious
I don't know man
I think so
I don't know
All right what about Mario
Would he be taking serious?
Yes
I think he would
Mario should have been up there
Bieber should have been up there
Who
Bieber that's his guy
B. B. B. B. B. B.A.
What's the name of this award show?
Yeah, Bieber might have made since.
Matt, Black. What did Gambino said?
Him and Sam Smith
had the same amount of BETT Awards.
No, no. Sam Smith has more BETT Awards.
Yeah.
Yeah, but Sam Smith released a Black Classic.
His first album is really, really, really, really, really good.
There's not, like, not even a questionable skip.
Like, every single record.
Listen, I don't care.
But they were calling him the female Adele at that time.
Then we realized we couldn't you.
They were calling him to female Adele?
When that first album came out?
They was calling him the female Adele.
Yeah, but now I don't know which.
They were called him the male Adel, baby.
Now he's that.
But because at that time, never mind.
How did we get through June?
How did we get through June?
Listen, I don't care what color Sam's from Fis.
The boy can sing.
The boy can sing.
The boy can sing.
Yeah, the boy's bad.
Well, they can sing really well.
When does he identify?
That's why I was trying to.
They can sing.
They can sing very.
He identifies as they now?
Yes.
Yeah.
That's what I was trying to say.
They were calling Sam Smith the they a dough.
That's what I was trying to get at it.
He wasn't out when they released that out.
When he released that album, everybody thought, well, nope,
we thought he was gay, but he wasn't out when he released that album.
I thought he was always gay.
I just thought he wasn't this.
He wasn't they.
Yeah.
All right, I'm going ahead and say it, man.
Fuck you.
No, don't do it.
Let's just move on.
You know what?
You know, Craig David would have been great.
We're talking about the Beatty Award.
Damn, where was John B?
Word.
You know, Craig David.
You know, if they didn't want Craig David out there to honor us your man, come, like, what are we doing here?
What's happening?
Well, I'm waiting for y'all's set list.
Like, that's what I'm waiting for y'all's set lists.
Well, we just need to be in a couple people.
I mean, we're leaving out somebody.
I wasn't mad at, I was like I said, Chloe, Tiana, Victoria, Coco.
I wasn't mad at them.
You said we're leaving somebody out.
We're leaving out.
We're leaving out a huge person, but.
Yes.
On purpose.
Yeah.
Great songs.
If.
Yeah, that would have made sense.
There wasn't everything.
Yeah, that would make total.
sense.
Tray songs can't perform.
You just said have her up there.
Her can't dance either.
That's why I said you got it bad.
Her can play seven instruments though.
Okay, but that's not the point.
That's a performer.
Singing is part of performing.
We're doing like if we're doing usher,
you want someone that can dance.
Yeah, exactly my point.
I'm just saying, like,
is it keeping it real?
What?
We keep it real?
What we doing?
We got all this shit.
We can't go to L.A.
We can't go to Virginia.
Yeah, I need it.
Man, listen, man.
Y'all see, that's the problem, man.
Niggas is nobody just kick it real.
I'm just trying to kick it real.
I ain't got no problem with nobody.
Just kicking it real.
That's all.
All right.
So, this is why Reddit is insane.
Because I was just typing in like Usher, similar artists,
just in case we forgot any.
And this Reddit thread,
what are some good R&B artists with strong vocals just like Usher?
First one.
Shot A and Majid Jordan.
This is why I don't go on Reddit.
This is why I don't go on Reddit.
This is why I don't go on Reddit.
This is why I don't go on Reddit.
But shit like that.
Because anybody can just go in there and say,
whatever they want to think.
That's going to be a joke.
That's hilarious.
But if they're serious.
No, but why I don't think they're joking is,
it's not like they just put a bunch of, like,
Shadeh.
Yeah.
No, but I get why someone would say that legendary status.
And I love Majid, but,
when you hear Usher, you hear Majid?
Yeah.
Space between.
Oh, what about, what about, what about Tyrese?
He was in the audience.
I was literally just about to say this next thing.
Oh, that was in a Mowayway video together.
They, they, they was like, you know,
enemies in a Moway video.
That would have been a fun little.
He was in the front.
Roe singing.
Yeah, like,
well,
it was all women.
Like,
I mean,
I mean,
if you're going
to have Donald Glover
with a linen
and have his feet out,
at that point,
we can get anybody
to come up here
and do their thing.
Like, fuck.
Well, who knows
if Tyrese can still sing?
A lot of these people probably,
who knows if Tyrese can still,
you just sat here and said,
if this nigga wasn't in trouble,
uh,
Tray songs.
What I'm,
you miss,
you think that Tray song
sings better than Tyrese?
I don't go.
What is the last time
you heard Tyree saying?
I don't care.
Okay.
Okay.
So let me clarify
Because that, you're not putting that on my jacket
Ain't no way
that Tray Song sings better than Tyrese
That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is over time
Some people's vocals declined
And they start declining performances.
Tyree's vocals ain't declined.
When's the last time you heard him sing?
How do you know that?
People's...
On Good Morning America
When Genuine was on MDMA,
Trumes, ketamine.
Tyrese was up to the moment.
That was like 10 years ago.
That's all right.
Tyrese was smoking it though.
It was like 10 years ago.
That's all right.
Why do y'all think Mariah turns down so many performances?
Because she waits till Christmas.
Because she's Santa Claus now.
Santa Claus only comes out one time of the year.
Mariah's voice is not what it used to be.
I will say, again, if they added males, having Tyrese, genuine and tank together
would have been crazy for Usher.
Yeah.
Yeah, that would be great.
They don't like each other, don't.
They break up.
Yeah.
Which I get.
That's a weird crew.
Yeah, but see, all these niggas get back together, they just watch the Will Smith
performance.
Everybody had come together
They'll realize that sometimes you have to
Listen man
You have to dance in the rain
The heavy cross to bear
You know what I mean?
You shouldn't have been up there
High Genuine
So basically you feel like Kiki
You feel like Kiki Tanase
And Childish
Shouldn't have been up there
You're cool with Victoria
Chloe and
Coco and Tijuana
Yeah that was cool with that
I wasn't mad at that
Tiana obviously
She's a hell of a performer
Was she dressed like Michael Jackson
I know right?
No she was dressed like Usher
It's like Young Usher
Which is Michael
They all dressed like Michelle.
Yeah.
She was just...
It looked more like straight Michael than it did.
But that's how Usher used to dress.
Actually, it was Janet that she was dressed like, but...
She was dressed like Usher.
I know.
I thought it was the Janet and I Get Lonely video.
Tiana.
What's about Tiana?
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Tiana.
She's, she's dressed like Usher.
She's not dressed like Janet.
Okay, well, Usher was dressed like them, so I don't think when I see a Michael Jackson
or Janet Jackson fit that it's Usher.
Even at the Usher performance.
Okay.
Well, I just, I feel like...
They all got it from Mike.
No matter what you're saying, they all got it from Mike.
Of course. But I'm just saying I'm sure when she went,
she went to dress like Usher. She's dressed like Usher.
Just like, she's dressed like Beyonce and the bad girl.
They were honoring the bad girl performance that they had did
either at the BTs or the Grammys with Beyonce and Usher.
Respectfully to both these women,
I feel bad for all the teenagers going through puberty that were watching this
with their parents.
Yeah, what's up with you guys?
Crazy Chubb.
You were bricked up watching this.
What?
Especially the flip.
The flip clip was a rock.
He got in the 69.
He got to get out the house won.
If anything about this performance had you turned on, like, you got to get a
What?
They kept cut.
Yeah, no, that's the cops because mall's crazy.
Sorry.
That's bang bro's calling you.
Your subscription.
Your bill is, dude.
I'm sorry.
Haven got declined?
Yeah, like how your lap.
Camera work on this isn't.
Come on.
That didn't do anything for you?
No.
Ooh, that's a good shot.
Come on.
Wait, we can run that back.
I'm not, you thought I was in the house like, ooh.
Yeah.
No, I wasn't.
Definitely not.
You said ooh-oo when Childs gave me to have draws on.
I thought maybe this would redeem it.
No, I said boo.
Boo!
I was booing at the fucking TV, man.
Get this thing off my screen, man.
They look amazing.
It's the flip.
Oh, get the flip.
Oh, yes.
Camera work nuts.
Yeah.
Whoever was the DP for this.
They smoked it.
Amen.
Did Victoria keep playing with Tiana like that?
No.
Tiana keep playing Victoria like that.
Victoria is bout that, about that.
No, she ain't.
Yes, she is.
Tiana's married with children.
So was Tiana.
Oh, I mean.
She's a single woman.
Everybody knows.
No, Victoria is like a real, like a real.
She's bisexual?
Yeah, it's rumored.
I mean, in her music.
Damn, well, you got the camera on me, but it's rumored that her and Kaylani used to date.
Oh, I never heard that.
Yeah.
But I mean, you can listen to her music.
Yeah, half her songs are about women.
Victoria and Kalani.
That's a nice combo right there.
I might pay to see that.
Yeah.
And I'm the horny one.
Get the chow to that one.
The two of them dancing.
They would dance.
I'm just told, she's my women that actually dated and fucking slept together.
You know Tiana bed after the show.
Allegedly.
Why allegedly?
That's amazing.
Hopefully.
Hopefully.
Promote that.
It's one of those rumors you wish.
Prayfully.
Prayfully, that happened.
Prayerfully, it's open.
I hope they're on good terms still.
Yeah, like I hope they have each other's fucking numbers.
Well, you guys don't agree with the Usher tribute.
Okay, I kind of.
No, hold on, but that ain't over.
Didn't Usher get his ass up there?
And we couldn't even hear what he was saying because he started talking so crazy.
They blacked out his whole speech.
Usher said one motherfucker and then it was like, blank.
I was like, yo, I wanted him get his shit off.
He only forgot to unmute that.
But then they posted online because people was recording average and audience.
They posted what he was saying.
It was a good speech.
It was emotional as him being a father now and him not having his father in his life growing up.
So he kind of just was speaking to that about that, not stopping him from chasing and achieving his goals and things like that.
This being a year of the fathers and that men need to be there for their kids, men need to step up and, you know, lead their families and things like that.
So it was a good speech.
Usher gave a good speech.
I just wish we would have heard it in real time.
Why are we acting like we don't know that we curse?
Why is BT Black, like completely just cut the audio because somebody is cursing?
Because it's on TV.
Add money.
You know what these kids are watching, DeMaris?
It's on T.
It doesn't, they'll get fine.
It's not up to them.
Sometimes I get confused when I'm watching cable and people curse in like shows.
You can say bitch.
You can't say the other curse words.
But you can say bitch.
If you watch the performance, they were saying bitch.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah.
But what's wrong with saying fuck.
You can't say nigger.
Fuck.
Shit.
Can't say nigger.
In 03 on the show.
Chappelle show. They were saying it. I was going to say technically, you can say anything you want.
The reason why they don't is because it's more about the ads and dollars that come with it
and making it more palatable. The, what is it, the FEC? I was going to say, I think that's radio.
You're a lot of to say what and show whatever you want. I promise you, if you blur out a motherfucker,
it's not going to, like, hinder my thought of going to get a sprite or not. I promise you.
But you're not a young developing mind. And that would, that would traumatize.
Oh, I've heard these young developing minds and how they talk to each other.
Worse than how he's.
Oh my God.
Worse than that.
Way worse than that.
I can promise you that.
Well, how do you guys feel about the winners?
It was four of them that we know about?
No, it was it?
They aired four.
Michael won an album of the year.
Michael who?
Oh, Killer Mike, yes.
Yeah, good speech too.
He went out on a great speech.
He won an album of the year.
Shout out the Killer Mike.
CISO won Best Female R&B Pop Artist.
Makes sense.
Get that best male R&B went to Usher.
That makes sense.
But no, it doesn't make sense.
because why did they combine R&B and pop?
They're two completely different genres.
R&B is popular music.
But you know that's not what they mean.
Wait, Kanye and Taiwan won best group?
Yeah.
They were getting risky.
I didn't even see that.
Well, they didn't have much competition.
That is a weak line out.
Jesus.
Best collaboration.
Went to Little Dirk.
All my life.
All my life.
Didn't they get it last year?
They're going to be.
That song came out in like 2017.
It's pre-pandemate.
Why is this song still on the charts?
I don't know, man.
Best female hip-hop artist went to Nikki.
Makes sense.
Best male hip-hop artist went to...
Relax.
Best new artist went to...
Kendrick Lamar.
Best new artist went to Tyler.
Now, the internet was in a frenzy about that.
They feel like sexy red was robbed.
And they are wrong.
They're wrong.
I just don't think people...
understand how big water was to the world.
I get it with Sexy Red and the impact that she's had on the culture.
Sexy Red has had a crazy impact, a huge impact for sure.
She's had a great year.
There's no denying that.
That water is like a-
That water record was one of the biggest records in the world.
So once in a decade record.
Yeah, like that record is so big, I'd never want to hear it again.
That song is so good, but they, you couldn't escape it to the point that it got annoyed.
Yeah.
And that song itself is amazing.
It's not even annoying.
They just played it so much.
Yeah.
What's the last time y'all felt like that about a record?
It's so big that I'm in here.
It's so big it became annoying.
Oh, man.
Hmm.
Let me see.
That's a good question.
I would just have to.
Oh, God, I hated despisito.
Which was it?
Despacito.
Oh, yeah.
You couldn't escape that one.
God's playing got annoying to me after a while.
I don't think it was as big as well.
water, but it got annoying to me after a while.
Blinding lights never got old for me.
Maybe just because I love the weekend.
Flashing lights.
By Kanye?
Yeah.
I still want to hear.
I'm talking about when it happened.
That got to be with you by Mary J. Blage.
But this is a, listen, we don't have to go through the names of songs.
This is a great thing to have, though.
Yeah.
It's great to have a song that's so big and so huge that people don't want to hear it no more.
Because that means we've heard this shit so.
many times. We love it. We like it. Great video. You know, the challenge was crazy on social
media. Everybody, we get it. I just don't care to hear, I just don't care to ever hear
that record again. Unless Tyler's performing it and I'm at the show. Then it's, okay, cool.
And then she performed. Did you guys like Tyler's performance? Yeah. I didn't even see her
performance. She performed with a skillet bang and Donna. I did see it. Yes, yes, yes. I did see it.
I swear this isn't, I don't have a thing with Bruno Mars, but uptown funk eventually. Oh,
God, yeah.
Was amazing when it came out, solidified, hit record forever.
But they just played it way too fucking much everywhere.
Uptown Funk might have been the last time that I felt that way.
Farrell Happy.
Oh, Farrell Happy.
Yo, when that song came out, I was obsessed with the video.
It was incredible.
I overplayed that myself.
Gave that shit three weeks.
Yeah, I don't have.
I was mad unhappy.
I don't ever want to hear that again.
They said Faroe Happy is scaring the hose music.
Peaches was one of those
I never got there with peaches
I still like peaches
God that shit got so annoying
But pears wasn't as big as water though
It wasn't it was big but it wasn't that big
Yeah not water
They remixed it
They fucking put Daniel Caesar and
Givion on the remix
I think the ability to put music on
Instagram now is what's really
exhausting me from songs
Because every time I open my fucking phone
You heard water
Like it's not just like on the radio or at the parties or in the, you couldn't even open your phone now without hearing whatever hit song is bigger.
So I feel like it brings that fatigue on so much quicker.
Yeah.
You know what's one that could have been in that category?
The same loop.
But never did.
Rihanna, we found love.
You could play that anywhere.
That's just bang.
And I'll still love it.
Yeah.
But that could be up there.
I could see someone hating that song.
Oh, God.
I love that song.
Ed Shear and Divide started to get on my nerves a little bit.
Thrift shop.
I mean, I never liked it to begin with.
but thrift shop started to annoy.
I didn't.
What song was thrift shop?
Macklemore.
McLeod.
Peege sing it.
I can't.
I don't remember.
We're gonna drop some cash.
I got $20 in my pocket.
That sounds like a song you were walking in a bar and see Pete dancing to.
Like, yo, Pee just dancing to fucking thrift shop.
Oh, and gangam style?
I mean, I never.
Yeah.
I was never just like.
I don't know where you'd be hanging out of where.
Maybe, yeah.
That's, that just don't know.
Every function, no?
Did you guys feel that way about blurred lines?
I never did.
I never got tired of blurred lines, but I can see somebody getting tired of blurred lines.
Like the Marvigay Estate?
I don't even hear that shit now.
Marblee Gay Estate was sick of that shit.
Said, all, enough is enough.
Do you guys feel like they got the winners right?
For the most part.
Yeah, I don't know.
Most part, they got it right.
I think the categories was kind of easy to figure out.
Yeah, it's good to me.
Yeah, who the winners were.
Yeah.
But yeah, BT, I don't.
Times, me and you is on the gospel?
Gospel inspirational
Word.
Oh, she's about Jesus.
Wait, I was singing that.
Oh, me and you is about the Lord?
Inspirational.
Only me.
No, it's not.
I promise you it was not.
Yes, it is.
No, it's not.
All right, I'm going to read the lyrics.
Hold on.
That record is not about
the Lord.
What are we talking about right now?
What she said, me and you, the you is God.
No, it's not.
I heard that song.
plenty of times.
Oh, no.
Oh, yeah, it is about, it's about the Lord.
Yeah, it's about him and that.
Yeah, it must mean I'm at the door like heaven's gate.
Faith to believe you, faith to receive you.
Come on, what you received?
Give me one break.
I need faith, faith to believe you,
faith to receive you.
Give me something I'm lacking.
I don't need nothing.
You are my everything.
Yeah.
Make me your matter.
Make me your substance.
Make me your person.
Yeah.
Every, and I don't mean this in bad way,
but every generic R&B song with lyrics,
you could interpret as your significant other God
your friend, some chicky fucking.
The lady at Chick-fil-A.
Word.
Give me some faith.
Because Sunday you don't even,
you're not even open.
Telling the lady at Chick-fil-A to make me yours is crazy.
You're like,
yeah, the special.
Just make me yours, all right?
For real.
I'm here for you.
Use me.
Like, what?
Chick-fil-A?
Nah.
They're a very Christian-based organization.
Listen, man, the BETT Awards,
I ain't gonna lie.
I'm cool.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
It's not the awards, though.
It's the talent.
There's not a lot of talent.
So let's just shut down the BT Awards for a few years.
Wait, look what won the best movie?
The Bob Marley.
That's out?
Is it out?
It won't.
Oh, I thought that shit was like coming out next time.
It beat the Little Mermaid.
Are you fucking?
Fuck that.
It beat American fiction.
American fiction is one of the, like, that's top three film that came out last year.
American fiction was like all over the-
It beat Spider-Man across the Spider-verse.
All right.
I'm done.
I mean, American fiction.
I got to see One Love Tonight.
American fiction is good.
Julian, yes, is your personality
and a fucking movie?
It's not that great.
It's amazing, but it's not the movie of the year.
Better than any one of these.
Who won't best act?
It's not better than Loma, mate.
Oh, Denzel.
Damn, they really took a risk on that one.
Did he even act?
What movie came up?
Equalizer 3.
Oh, yeah, I guess that makes that.
Coleman Domingo should have won.
Personally.
Actress, Regina King.
Okay.
Coleman Domingo should have won
an actress
whatever Angela Bassett's in
she's the best actress
so she should have won that too
the young star
the nepotism award
Watch your mouth
You look who won
Watch your mouth
But the rest of these
aren't
Children stars
Like
Stars of children I mean
Oh
No I mean
That's why
You know
Northwest will get an extra
At a close one
versus whoever
Kid this year
That's why that's not fair
And I'm not being a whole venger
Blue Ivy Carter
was dancing
every single night
on a world tour with Beyonce.
So yes, nepotism, but it's not like she was just in the booth waving to the paparazzi.
Yeah.
She was dancing with some of the biggest dancers in the world.
No, she, yeah.
It's a great opportunity.
I can't speak to the rest of the list.
There's mad people who have famous parents who don't dance like Blue Ivy and wouldn't be able to get on stage
in front of fucking hundreds of thousands of people and go off and dance next to amazing dancers
and do full-out choreography.
Very true.
It's the same thing when people say Kim's only famous because of her sex tape.
and it's like it's mad bitches with sex tapes and they ain't him.
So I just don't.
Crazy comparison right now.
I totally see what you're saying, but like.
It is a crazy.
But it's just like, yes, people do get opportunities,
but people get opportunities every day and fumble them.
Mad people get opportunities and fumble them.
Just because you're giving an opportunity doesn't mean that you're going to be a star.
So let's give people the credit that's due to them.
And I'm not familiar with the rest of that list.
So.
I love Van Van Van Van Van.
Van Van van was the cutest.
She's a very cute little girl.
VET, we love y'all.
But we could do without the BT Awards for a few years.
All right.
That's hate.
That's hate.
Yeah, I hate the show.
All right, well.
But that's not the BET Awards' fault.
And I like the fact that-
I'm not saying it's their fault, but it's like, all right, let the talent pool kind of, like,
catch up a little bit and let these artists develop.
And then we can come back in maybe three years and see what we got.
But this shit, to do this every year, and this is the shit we put in forth,
like Gloverill and all
and all. We love them. We love sexy red, but we don't need to see them
performing. That's not fair. It's not fair. People want to see sexy red
perform. If I'm put, not me, but I don't dictate
the entire demographic. Oh, no, I'm good. I like that. You wanted to see
it. We're plenty of people wanted to see sexy red. If you're putting
together a lineup, you want to hit every bit of age and demographic. There is a huge
demographic that wants to see sexy red perform at the BET. They said
sexy red got the loudest, like, applause. Then she
had bigger applause than any other performer in the crowd of her peers.
So yes, people want to see sexy red.
Listen, I agree.
We've already had to plant conversation and CIA and all.
Yeah, you know where I stand.
I'm saying I understand her being on the-
Listen, it's okay to just be honest.
That's not BET award level talent.
It's not.
It's just not.
The performance is not.
Like, you can put all the production on stage and have, it's just not.
We're sitting there looking at it like, okay,
I'm happy for sexy red.
I'm glad that she has a career and she's able to, you know, make money and take care of a family and live a life that she wants to live.
I'm not mad at that.
But when we talk about putting this type of talent on a stage like the BET Awards, I'm just thinking that there's a certain level of talent that we're reserving for that.
There's other awards, though.
Is it Soul Train Awards?
Why would she be on the Soul Train Awards, Mall?
Why would she be on the BET Awards?
Because she's the most popular female.
I wasn't going to be the one to say it.
Just because you're popular doesn't mean you need to be on the stage performing.
And that's the problem.
But we just said during the new artist award, Tyler deserved it, but we understood the cultural impact that sexy red has had.
So I see why people were upset that she didn't get the award over Tyler.
So I think that means she should be performing, though.
No, that doesn't.
The cultural impact, sexy red is had.
You can't see why she's performing at the BET Awards?
I can't.
I could see why.
Numbers, impact, image, everything.
You haven't said anything about talent level yet.
Oh, well, you're in the wrong business now.
So you think,
now I'm in the wrong business.
Now I'm in the wrong business.
No, she's not.
I'm not saying she is.
I'm just saying now it's at a point where it may be more clear than ever that the talent pool,
now we're looking at impressions online and following.
Oh, I'm not arguing.
We're getting away from the talent.
We're too far away from the talent level.
No, it's about the influence and the impact,
but that's what's bringing.
money. That's what's bringing money. You got to get a certain amount of views, a certain amount of
clicks. You got to do what I'm willing to bet that the views on this BET award show might
have been some of the lowest views ever. That's every award show, period. They go down every year.
So it speaks to the level of talent that you're trying to put on TV and people are not being
fooled by it. It's like, oh, this is the sexy red. Like say somebody had never seen sexy red perform.
They've seen her on social media. They've seen her on YouTube. They've seen videos, whatever.
But now when you put her to perform
and I'm sitting in my living room and I see it,
I'm just like, I'm not impressed by that.
What do you guys think about Ice Spice's performance?
Lackluster.
What do you guys think about Meg's performance?
I think she did great.
But it's a difference.
It's a reason why Meg is doing arenas and shit like that
and selling that shit out.
She's an actual performer.
She can actually perform.
She has a certain level of talent.
We don't disagree that there is a lack of,
of talent with performances with this current pool that's here, we're just saying that's not
what they're looking at for anymore. And I'm saying we need to start looking for that a little
bit more. I'm not mad at giving people opportunity to touch the state. It's okay to be like,
yo, listen, you're not there yet. But let's not act like at award shows, this is the first time
that a quote unquote lack of talent has been performed. I'm not saying. That just has a lot of
I never said it's the first time.
I'm just saying now it's, to me,
it's more evident than it's ever been
that we don't have a very large pool of talent right now.
Glow really performs.
She's talented.
I think it was a good mixed bag.
But I think Glow did a good job on her performance.
You don't think so?
I think we could save a lot of this for the BT Hip Hop Awards,
is what I'm saying.
Okay.
That I would understand.
But that means that they would have.
So, yes, so that was one complaint that I did see
and I really do heavily agree with.
This should have been for the BT Hip Hop Awards
and also there was not enough R&B present.
I'm with that for sure.
There should have been more R&B.
If there was more R&B present,
there would have been more talent present.
There's some trash-ass R&B shit out here too.
There is.
A lot of these niggas can't sing.
You get these niggas out the studio
without all the bells and whistles
and these niggas sounds crazy.
It's that, that has.
happens. We know that. Yes. We know that. So I'm just saying like it's just we have to start. And again,
I'm happy for the sexy reds and the glowrillas and the ice spices, Bronx legend. I'm happy for
them. Like, I want them to have this opportunity to perform in front of the world. But my thing is
you also have to be at a certain level to be on certain stages is all I'm saying. Yeah.
Your talent level has to be at a certain level. That's all. I'm not mad at them. I'm not hating on
these women. I think it's dope. Get your bag.
stream your fucking songs and sell your merch, sell your products, whatever.
But let's make sure the talent level is at a certain, it just has to be at a certain level
at all times, that's all.
Did Ross make it to the BD Awards?
No, actually, he was busy.
He was preoccupied?
He was booked.
He was booked and busy.
They booked them.
Yeah, no, he was booked and busy.
Rick Ross, obviously, the video broke of Rick Ross in Vancouver at a, you know,
at a show. And after his show, once he walked off stage, Rick Ross and his crew got into
an altercation with some other festival goers, I guess. Well, reportedly, he walked out playing
not like us from his set. Yes. That's what's pop his whole shit off. When he finishes his set,
walking off the stage, his DJ went into Not Like Us, which is an intentional thing.
I don't think Ross had enough hits. Maybe.
that like the DJ ran out of stuff.
Yeah.
So they figured go with...
You're gonna win the crowd back?
Yeah, go with the song
that everybody seems to be liking right now.
Not knowing half the hell's angels
were in the front row.
I just think it's funny that...
Not knowing you're in Canada.
Well, that too.
But like the biker gang was at
whatever this festival was.
Like who else?
Were they Ross fans?
Maybe.
I can see Ross having some biker fans.
Absolutely.
But the story is Ross got off stage.
The record played
and some gentlemen approached him and, you know, expressed their not liking the not like them.
Yeah, we don't like that.
And they said that Ross responded in a way that was, you know, deemed to be disrespectful and, you know, you can imagine that.
Ross is a shit talker.
He's a slick talker.
If somebody came up to Ross and asked him about a song, he's playing on the set, I could see Ross responding in a very slick.
way. How do you think security allowed people to get to Ross that easily? Yeah, why was Ross that
accessible? Yeah, it looks like he's in the crowd. I don't know. That was the question I asked when I saw
the video. I didn't see enough security. Maybe Ross figured this is a festival. You know,
probably, obviously they'll have security at the event. It seems like Ross has one of his
personal bodyguards there.
But he probably figured, you know, it's the festival.
It's not going to be in and out real quick.
I don't need a huge security detail like that.
And it just so happened that this altercation happened.
But what does this mean, though?
Because you've seen a lot of people react to it.
They're talking about those shit, Ross.
He got pressed in Canada.
Did Drake send the goons and all of this shit?
I don't think Drake sent anybody, number one.
Yeah, I understand that it was in Canada, but it was in Vancouver.
It was in Vancouver.
That's like Maine to Washington.
Yeah, but not saying that Drake can't reach.
No, no, no.
My point is Drake could reach anywhere on Earth.
Right.
So just because it was in Canada, I don't think that automatically means that Drake sent someone
to Vancouver because Ross, where was Ross yesterday?
Right.
Like, it didn't have to be, if he was in Toronto, then I'd be like, all right, that kind of checks out.
Yeah, it kind of feels like that might have been something in more direct correlation.
But Vancouver is just another city on the complete opposite side of Canada.
So I don't put the same connection that people do.
No, I think that this was just somebody that felt the way about something that Ross did at his set.
Somebody that obviously had backstage access because I think one of the gentlemen is an artist himself.
So they obviously had backstage access.
access. And I think that this is a case of them having words and words turn into
physicality. Like, I don't think that this has anything to do with Drake. I get why people
are trying to paint it that way. And then when the post went up, Drake liked the post.
Which I, to me, was a little too petty. Like, don't tie, don't tie yourself.
Nah, nah, nah, we can't do that.
Why can't we do that?
Because when they geters is parading and Crip Walk into Dema legend, I'm a pedophile, I
I could sit at home in like a post.
I could sit at home and like a post.
All day was like a post.
So you can't, you can't do that.
You can't say, oh, that's Teddy.
That's no, no, no, no, no.
See, this is what, no, no, no.
No, no.
But Drake, Drake knows his power and his reach
and what it means for Drake to like a post.
Yes, he does.
Of Ross being beat up in Canada.
The same way that was intentional.
I don't think it has anything to do with each other,
but I know how the world thing.
The same way Drake liking that post was intentional
because he knew what people would say
and not people would react to him liking it.
is the same way Ross played that record
and walked off stage. Why, that was intentional.
It's the same shit. Okay, you are right
in that situation. You can't be mad at how I
react to your intentions.
You can't be mad at the way Drake reacts
to the intentions of somebody
doing something or in
his direction. You can't, we can't
do that. The thing with Drake, though, to
kind of where Roy's point is, it's now
that Drake, by liking opposed, it means he's
acknowledging it and agrees with that behavior, whatever.
So in turn, it's pretty much
retroactively a dog whistle for him to let people like, hey, if other people come here and do this,
you have my permission to go out in attack. I'm not saying he's directly saying that by any means.
Well, 40, but sure. Yeah. I'm like other people that are very close and have said this, but it's,
it's evident that with while, while liking this, even though he probably will never speak on this
publicly or make any other reference to this incident, that alone makes other people like the gentleman
that had the ponytail that threw the first punch and others from Canada to be like, oh,
still on our side.
Let's, we got the green light on everybody that plays that record in our city.
That's the same way they stormed the Capitol because Trump.
Yes, it's a, yeah, dog whistling is a very effective.
I don't think lagging a post in Trump's actual speech, I'm saying never surrender.
Same tactic.
Yeah, effectively it's the same tactic.
Whatever.
So, but.
I just feel like the president of the United States just saying never surrender.
Let's, let's go over there.
It's a little more drastic.
I was a little more direct.
What else did he say?
I don't, I'm not doing this.
Oh, yeah.
That's standby, right?
No, that's not what he said.
He said that about the proud boys.
That's not what you said.
But anyway.
Their time's coming.
So, yes, I do get how that looks if Drake likes the post.
But again, you can't be mad at somebody for liking the post of somebody getting hands put on them or getting into altercation based off the fact that, okay, they probably said that you're playing this song.
They ask you why are you playing that?
And then you respond it in the way that you wanted to respond.
At that point, it's just too, it's growing men having an altercation about something and disrespect is presented.
this is how men respond to disrespect sometimes.
Yeah.
Listen, it happens.
I think it, above all,
I think it was corning for Ross to end his set
would not like us.
Above, above everything that we're talking about below that.
Y'all know how I feel about Ross,
one of my favorite rappers.
Do you have an alibi?
Do you have an alibi?
Yeah.
You were kind of vague
with what you were doing the last few days.
Where was you at?
You got your hair down in Vancouver.
You love Canada.
I knew that was your fault.
Vancouver?
Yeah.
I've maybe been to Vancouver.
to my entire life. I've never been. This week? No, definitely not this week. I promise you.
I was nowhere near me. You went for the first time this week. Not at all. For Ross.
There's nowhere near it. But, um, they put him all in a biker vest to throw us off.
Ross got a, he got to wear this hell. This is an L for Ross. I've noticed he's been
quieter than he usually is. No, he ain't quiet. He's laughing. He responded.
No, I saw the laugh. He responded. Ross is way more vocal than a laugh. Yeah, but this is a, this is a
loss on, on, I never thought I would have seen somebody try to pop on Rick Ross like that.
Never.
Yeah, that is kind of wild.
Like, seeing somebody take a swing at Rick Ross is something I thought I would never.
What was that hip-hop was dead?
Ross meme?
Just that.
Oh, I thought that would have been funnier.
Never mind.
Like, so he got to wear this L.
You can laugh about it.
You know, it was just a little fist of cuffs, bottles being thrown, that type of shit.
But to the bigger conversation of what does this mean moving forward, you know, artists going into Canada that seemed to support.
that record
what happens from there.
I don't know.
Again, I don't think Drake had anything to do with this.
But this was his response.
Yeah. Vancouver was fun.
You know what's funny?
Drake is such a fucking conniving asshole.
I can't look at Rick Ross's jet without thinking of the line when Drake said
you wrap your jet every time because you share it with so many people.
It's such a good thing.
And didn't it just get shot down?
So that's a new one that he wrapped in Vancouver.
Oh, it's such a good thing.
One of them had like, yeah, issues.
Yeah, I mean, thank God no one got hurt.
But they had like an emergency landing.
No, you said shot down or shut down?
Shot down.
It didn't get shot down.
Who is being traumatic?
Didn't even Drake say that in one of his bars?
That he shot the plane down?
Anyway.
A landing gear got stuck.
Yeah.
Not shot with the boy.
Shut the fuck up, Roy.
You don't know who Drake has in TSA.
That's the loss for Ross, though.
That's a loss on his jacket.
He took it out of it.
It was weird.
And then they laid your man out.
When the security guy gets laid out, that's a tough look.
They laid you a man.
No, I don't think that got knocked out with security.
That was his DJ.
No, his DJ got his chain took.
Security got fucked up, too, though.
But also, if you're going to ask my DJ to play a record that could get us in
some heat, you got to protect me.
If I'm your DJ and I'm just a DJ,
and then you're like, yo, you got to play a record
that could get you in some trouble.
Ross has to protect his DJ.
He ain't get his activist as he was supposed to.
No.
Ross ain't throw no punches.
He was supposed to get more active than that.
It is possible that the DJ
made that executive decision on his own.
No, he didn't.
No, he didn't.
I can't see.
Let me tell you, let me promise you this, DeMaris.
Ross knows every song that will be played on that stage.
I can't see it.
Without Ross being comfortable with it, I can't see it.
That's not a move the DJ makes.
Maybe his DJ would play the disc Ross has to Drake, but no one would say anything.
Yeah.
And then you playing this record, it's like...
Ross isn't on this record.
Yeah, like, what is you?
Like, again, that was intentional.
So it's like, okay, when you start doing things like that, you got to be willing and
prepare for everything that comes behind that.
Yeah, when you played it, you should have, like, squared up when you played it.
And I believe the dudes that approached him, they probably opposed him like, yo, that's
not cool, bro, like, playing that record here.
Like, we're not doing that.
And then I believe Ross, because he's a slick talker, he's a shit talker.
He probably was like, who's going to stop me?
Who going to do something about it?
And damn, ears on the floor.
And then someone did something on the floor.
And then now you're talking to somebody that, now you're talking to somebody that they get
active.
They're like, okay, we ready to shake in here.
I just feel like Ross didn't activate the way he was supposed to.
Is that the DJ?
Who got slept right here?
Ross was supposed to lose his chain.
Lose all that shit.
Fuck all of that.
Start thumping with all them niggas.
But you can't get escorted out the back
and your man is laid out like a mermaid.
Ha!
Ma.
They carried him out like his legs was tied together.
Look.
They took his chain and his sorrato.
That's like the fins that the mermaid have.
And they tried to grab them back to beat him up again.
Like the dude was clearly knocked out.
They tried to take his sneakers off.
Like at this point, we brawling, man.
Which, by the way, though, we joke him.
But I feel bad for that DJ
because I do fully believe
Ross asked his DJ to play that
at the end of the set.
Of course he did.
So I play that, doing my job
and now I'm getting...
Now I'm unconscious.
Yeah, like what the fuck?
I didn't sign up for this shit.
Oh, I wouldn't have did it.
I wouldn't have.
I wouldn't have.
Shit.
If you, Ross's DJ,
if I was wrong...
If I had a show and he said,
yo, when I walk off play that record,
you playing that record.
Now, you might say,
yo, big homie,
you think that's a good idea.
Yeah, because I would have been like,
you could consult with him.
Yeah, yeah, I'd like,
big homie,
Big homie, hold on, let's talk about this for a second.
We in Canada.
Granted, we're not in Toronto, but we in Canada.
We know with that, we know what that's intentional.
What are we doing, bro?
Because we on, we on this side of the border now.
I would say anywhere but L.A., I'd be like, are you sure?
Yeah, like this, do you want to do that?
And it's just not necessary.
And this wasn't just a Ross show, right?
It looked like a festival.
I'm sure not like us played a million times.
Yeah.
I don't know if they needed it on the raw set.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Does anyone find it weird that we haven't heard anything else about the shooting in front of Drake's house?
No.
No, I don't find that weird at all.
It makes sense that we haven't heard anything about it.
Great PR.
Of course, but no one finds that insane that a security guard in the midst of everything that was happened was shot outside of one of the biggest artists on Earth house in a residential neighborhood of a bunch of other.
millionaires and billionaires.
And we only heard about it that day.
No.
Well, to be fair, we're American media.
We are, I'm sure.
That's world shit.
That's not just, that's not local, uh,
I think, I think we'll hear about it.
I think we'll hear about it once in the rest is made.
Yeah.
But I think until then, I don't think we're not going to hear that.
Yo, still no suspects found in the Drake.
I don't think we're going to hear about that.
Well, we do know the biggest beef.
But like, no, no, no, conspiracy.
Like, the internet breaks everything.
No, no, no, no, no.
What was the conspiracy?
I'm not saying conspiracy in the way my tinfoil hack conspiracies,
but I'm saying the way people on the internet,
like nobody saw it.
Just break every last thing down and find the fucking suspect before the cops do.
That's what I'm saying.
I haven't seen even any of that type of thing.
Well, we discussed,
we said even during amidst this whole beef that the real issue here was with the weekend
in dreams.
So we're talking Canada within Canada.
So I think that's the,
that's the show I'd keep an eye out on is when the weekend starts doing
activations.
and he's seen outside in Canada
what that's going to look like.
Now, I understand.
I understand the PR between Drake
and also everyone that lives in that neighborhood.
They don't want that to be a topic ever.
Yeah.
Someone, I know everyone in the neighborhood
that Tori Lane's shot Megastalian in
is pissed how long that narrative's been going
in their neighborhood.
So I get it, but nobody?
Like, we've been talking about this beef for months
and we just always ignore that that incident happened.
Yeah.
I don't know. I think, again, once a suspect or somebody is arrested and things, I think that's when we'll hear about that shit again.
But how is there not a suspect? How is there not a photo the moment that should happen with the amount of cameras and that they were?
Sorry if I'm sounding like Vlad right now. It's just weird to me that we haven't heard about it.
I thought there'd be a photo within an hour. This is the license plate. If anyone knows this license plate, please contact Toronto authorities.
No, I feel you. It's definitely, it definitely disappeared quickly.
And we didn't really get any other news about it.
So I understand what you're saying.
But I really wasn't concerned about that shit, honestly.
I mean, it's crazy that that happened.
And prayers to the security guard that was shot.
Yeah.
It's just crazy that that incident happened and no one said shit.
It's moved on.
Were you concerned about your Lakers?
Was I concerned?
Mm-hmm.
Um, no, I'm not concerned because I mean, the Lakers, they're not going to win a championship.
We're not winning a shit for the foreseeable future anyway.
no matter who they drafted.
But what was worse for the Staples Center?
Ronnie being drafted or Childish Gambino not wearing drawers?
Childish.
You're crazy.
This is the sick of shit ever.
Put your feet away when you perform it for us.
Come on.
So Bronny James got drafted to the Lakers over the week since we've been going for a few days.
So Brony James got drafted.
First of all, congratulations to the James family.
This is something that I don't think.
I think we've obviously never seen before in basketball, and I don't think we'll ever see again.
So shout out to them and salute to them for that, because that speaks to just a certain level of hard work, consistency, focus, things like that.
Like, it's not, what we're witnessing with this, this is not something that's, this is like a movie that we all would have seen this happen in the movie.
Like, that would never happen.
That's corny.
I mean, they already have the most combined points of any father-son combo in NBA history.
Already, the day he was drafted.
Yeah.
Which is a crazy, insane stat to have.
No points already, number one.
When I was going through the list, that kind of blew my mind.
To think that LeBron has that many points in the NBA,
before that, it was Kobe and Joe Bryant with 38,000 points.
Braun has already passed that at 40,000.
Yeah.
So, I mean,
Bronny could just average the same he did at USC
and they'll still be fine.
The record is still fine.
Let me say this.
I support black and Hispanic nepotism.
I support that.
Same.
Because you don't get,
we don't get an opportunity to ever experience nepotism.
We get left with debt.
We get left for motherfucking old Buick's.
So for your dad, for your dad.
Said negatism?
Yeah, that's negatism.
Not nepotism.
That's negatism.
So for your dad to be the player that he is arguably one of the greatest ever and still be playing at a level that he's playing at long enough for you to have been, you know, a college athlete and then enter the NBA draft.
I mean, we're never going to see.
I don't think we'll ever see this again.
I don't think we'll ever see a player play as long and as great as LeBron has played to where they're.
child is now eligible for the NBA draft and they will actually be on the NBA floor together.
I don't think we'll ever see it again.
Yeah, I'm here for the jokes on it, but I mean, like I said, last episode, I think this is
cool nepotism.
Yeah, it's the same way nepotism works, you're doing it at the expense of an organization.
Yeah, but they may not be fit for this role, but it happens every day.
I mean, Jeannie Bus.
Yeah, Succession NBA version.
Like, that's nepotism.
For sure.
You know what I mean?
Like, it happens on every level.
We're just seeing it now on this level.
I mean, Janice has, obviously, his brother's on the roster.
The NASS probably wouldn't be on the NBA roster,
but that's still his brother.
That's like his peer.
You understand what I'm saying?
Like, it's a difference when you're talking about this is my child.
Yeah.
Like, y'all have video and footage of me and him
when he was one years old, like at All-Star Weekend.
And now he's on my team.
Fire.
We're never going to see this again.
We're never going to see it.
Now, from just a basketball standpoint, waste of a pick.
I love it.
I'm still on the side of it.
Listen, the greatest 55th pick ever in NBA draft is probably Patty Mills, right?
Yeah.
Solid play.
Solid professional.
Solid player won championships for San Antonio.
Spurs legend right there.
Solid player, right?
What do you average in college?
I have no idea.
Couldn't tell you.
But at least for that pick to be considered valid years from now,
Bronny just has to be half of what Patty Mills was.
Just half.
And it's like, okay, not a bad pick.
Because that's the other thing about this that people are not speaking to.
What if, what if he develops?
What if he develops?
Okay.
And turns out to be a very serviceable player.
As much as you guys think I'm a hater, I'm going to be rooting for them.
And I've never been like,
LeBron's never been my guy.
I appreciate greatness.
Yeah.
But I'm going to root for them.
That's,
this is cool.
Bro, with the 50,
I don't want to see this fail.
With the,
now,
if they would have passed up on,
still fuck the Lakers,
but.
If they would have passed up on Steph Curry.
The next.
Or fucking Carmelo Anthony
and drafted Bronnie.
Now, I would be like,
I, listen,
I get it.
I understand.
But God damn, bro.
Like, we couldn't,
we couldn't wait to the second round.
He would have still been there.
He would still been on the board.
So that's why I'm not too,
mad because it's the 55th pick.
Did the Lakers have any third round picks?
I'm not sure. Well, there were a lot of the
conversations they were saying like, because he still would have been there.
Because Brony, the best player on USC
got drafted relatively early
in the first round. And what,
you know, there's all the, he shouldn't be drafted.
And I put all that shit aside. There was
another kid on his team that was like a very
good, like another star, perennial star
of that team that didn't get drafted.
Yeah, yeah. So people are trying to compare. 16.
Yeah, but here's, but this is, and I've had
this, and I've had this
conversation for days already. But this is my response to that. All of these players, all of these
kids, they worked out for NBA teams. Like, they actually worked. So if that kid that was on
Bronny's team who average, I think he average like 16 or 17 on the season. If he didn't get
drafted before Brony, guess what? That means a team didn't think that kid was that good.
Well, that's what everyone's kind of what everyone's kind of speaking to, though, that no one's
saying that that other gentleman should have been drafted. They were just.
suggesting he averaged way more than Brony and still did not deserve to be drafted.
That's what people are getting at.
But now, cool.
We know that the nepotism.
But there's potential and not potential.
Listen, we know the nepotism play is, we don't even have to talk about it.
I like that they didn't even try to hide it.
We know what happened.
All I'm saying is, let's give Brony a chance.
Because all he's been granted with this is an opportunity to prove if either it was worth it or if it wasn't.
I mean, I...
It's just an opportunity to prove us right or prove us wrong.
Again, back to them throwing the nepotism in our face.
My prediction was he would have went undrafted.
He would have had this stellar workout with the Lakers and been a walk on.
That was what I thought they were going to do.
Yeah.
I love that they said, nah, second round, $8 million contract.
Well, when, when...
There you go.
When Rich Paul, I forgot which show he was sitting on,
but he said when he spoke to Brony and Bronteley told him, like,
all I want to do is hear my name.
name called. That's all I want. I just want to hear my name call. Yeah. That's the moment every kid
wants. So when Rich said that, got to get him. I said, oh, they're going to draft them. They got to
draft them. Yeah. Because again, I didn't shoot a video of him looking surprised. I was, I was on the
side of you saying, you know, let him get, go and draft it. Go to Vegas Summer League. Yeah. Go to train
to camp with some teams, work his way on. But the thing is, LeBron didn't want to, because LeBron said it
years ago, he's playing, he wants to play with Bronny.
So we were talking about it all last year.
Well, shit, where's Bronn going to go?
Like, who's going to draft Bronny?
Because you draft Ronnie, you basically get LeBron too.
I think they made a decision like, yo, Braun is not leaving the Lakers.
So let's draft him here.
The Lakers granted LeBron and Clutch Sports that.
They said, okay, we'll draft him.
Guaranteed contract.
He'll come in, he'll work out.
But in talking to players that I know,
that are in the NBA, past and present,
they feel like Bronte right now
is better than some players that are in the NBA right now.
They're like, yo, bro, listen, we get it,
but he's definitely better than some guys
that are in the league right now.
Some people are like, okay, cool.
Now, this is coming from people to actually play the game,
not just watch and analyze and have these platforms.
This is coming from guys that have played at that level
that are saying,
Brony is definitely better than some pros right now.
Name a pro.
Yeah, who they said.
I mean, we probably won't.
I mean, I don't say their names, but for them to say that,
they wouldn't know because they don't touch the floor.
So now my point is, my point is,
like every team has players that don't touch the floor.
Yeah, now, listen,
Bronny is not going in here and getting the starting point guard position.
He's not going to be starting.
He's not going to get a bunch of minutes.
The Lakers are blowing somebody out, you know,
for marketing and all that.
They'll let Brony check in with LeBron.
let LeBron set the screen for him.
He'd come off a shoot.
You know, give us that whole...
The moment.
Give us the moment.
Give us the moment.
I'm not mad at them being able to give us this moment.
But does the allure leave when that happens a few times and it doesn't go well and they can't justify...
Of course it does.
Keeping that moment.
Of course it does.
All right, this is not working.
He got to go on the bench.
If this was any other player, he'd be gone.
I think with this move, though, the Lakers agreed.
They assumed the role of we're not a championship team.
But they know that way.
Our singular focus this year in this draft was this particular moment, which on the back end is
going to yield a lot of his jersey is already the highest selling jersey. They're going to,
and they're good, they'll sell. If LeBron puts James Sr. on his jersey, guess how many more
jerseys they're going to sell that one? If they don't do that. So we're going to get potentially
a new LeBron jersey. We already have Bronny's jersey. And if Bronny puts a James Jr., they're going to
fucking bundle them. Sell them as a combo. It's a Travis Scott album rollout. Like they're going to make so much
money in product off the back end
that I think for a franchise
has been this winning for this long.
How they justified it.
Yeah.
Like everyone knew it.
Because they're going to really,
realistically, mall,
they're going to pinch what,
two years out of this?
Probably more.
I think Brown is going to beat him
when Bryce goes.
I don't know.
That'd be crazy.
That's nuts.
How old is Bryce now?
17.
Three years away from that.
He just signed a two-year extension.
Price is the best.
So we know LeBron is going to be there
for at least two more years,
guaranteed.
Yeah.
We three years away from Brian
from Bryce being eligible for the drive.
That'd be crazy.
That could happen,
but Bryce is really nice.
I hope they allow him to develop somewhat in college.
Just doing a quick freshman year thing
and throwing Bryce in the league.
That's my problem with this.
Just to make another moment is kind of like,
that's my problem with this.
What are we doing?
The only thing, the only thing that is to me,
again, I support black and Hispanic nepotism.
The only thing to me that I feel like
is bad about this situation
is the amount of pressure that is on Bronte now.
Listen, as a dad, LeBron did with most dad's dream about doing.
So, salute to LeBron for that.
But I don't think that they have factored in the amount of pressure that Brony is going to be under.
I think Brony, you know, for a kid to have a heart attack a year ago and be able to have the focus and the drive to work yourself back into condition and have the fucking confidence.
to fucking be active and play sports at a high level,
it speaks to the drive and the focus that
Brony has, whether he was LeBron's son or not,
just him as an individual and as a human being.
Having that drive and that focus after the heart attack
to still chase your dream,
bro, I know a lot of people that would never run full speed
again after they have a heart attack.
They would never want to get their heart rate going.
Like, it just...
On the fucking court having an heart attack.
You talk about having that ability to focus, I'm rooting for a kid that has that drive.
I'm rooting for him.
Now, it's a lot of pressure when your dad is who LeBron is.
That's a lot of pressure.
But now that your dad ushered you into the league, got you this spot, that's a lot of
fucking pressure on Bronny.
And he's already showed us that he has the drive and the determination to chase his
dream.
So I'm not doubting him.
I'm just paying attention to that pressure.
Being in Los Angeles, wearing the Lakers jersey.
your dad being who he is, people thinking you're not good enough to be there, you only there
because your dad got you drafted.
You know, players are going to set hard screens on them, try to send a message.
Like, it's a lot of shit that Bronte is going to have to deal with.
I think he's up for it growing up in a household with somebody like LeBron being your dad.
You've obviously been around NBA coaches, the NBA game.
You know, so you know what to expect from that side of it, from the physicality.
and just being conditioned
and you know what to expect as far as playing.
But all of the other shit
off of the court, I don't think that they factored in
and it's going to be a, it's going to be tough for Brony.
They're going to give him so much, so much shit.
They're going to give him so much bad press
and so much, you know, I just,
I'm just waiting to see if he's able to tune all of that out.
Yeah.
Which he seems like he is because, like, dealing with a hard attack.
He seems like a great kid.
Well, I'm also curious how LeBron is going to handle a lot of that,
especially being on the same team.
That too.
but I just think it's gangster that
Bronny gonna be driving his pops to the game
and they get out the car together
and they catch them walking in the game
I just think that's fly
the tunnel when they walk through
that's gangster that we get to see that
you guys think they're gonna carpool
huh?
Absolutely you have to in L.A.
Are you kidding me?
I mean for environment reasons?
You don't think LeBron is going to ride
a shotgun and they get to ride in the fast lane
because there's two of them in the car.
You don't think Braun is riding shotgun
while his son drives them to work
to either
I assume they both had drivers
they not
no no no we ain't
Bryce is the driver
do they live together
still
no no
I don't know
there's no way
it could be a whole wing
of the house
that could be his
I don't know
yeah they still live
in the same house
really
absolutely
I wouldn't move out either
I ain't gonna lie
I'm not moving
you might not have to see
your family
in a house like that
if you don't want to
my criticism
this whole time
has never been
directed at Brani
I think he's a great kid
I think his life
no matter what
is going to be amazing
I always there's one thing LeBron said at the beginning of this process, even years ago before
Bronie was even at USC. He said my biggest regret was giving Brani my name because he'll always be
looked at like live up to my thing. Not only did you give him your name. You gave him your jersey.
But Bron, but this is the thing. This is so hypocritical of Brown to say that and have the ability
to look at himself and be upset that he did that. But then at the same time, you like he has
the heart attack. He does the U.S.
the U.S.C. route and then you rip
him out of his college experience and
put him on your path. This is
I'm sure it's Bronny's dream, but at first
this is Bronn's dream. So Bronn robbed
his son of his college experience, his developmental
years for the potential best years
of your life and let's, this kid can do
whatever the fuck he wants. He does not need to play basketball.
But then you just bring him into this league
that he is not prepared for it.
And he's going to get scrutinized every
fucking thing that he does. But see, the thing is you say
he's not ready for it. He's not prepared
for the NBA.
As far as just the game?
The skill.
No, mentally, I'm sure he can handle it.
But this is what I'm trying to tell you, guys that are pros now and guys that are retired
that I've spoke to about this, they feel like right now, he's better than some guys
on NBA roster.
A lot of guys on NBA roster.
Okay.
Well, he could have taken some more time to develop and be even better.
I'm with you on that.
Now, we look at it because everybody's like, oh, he only averaged four point something
in his freshman year.
So did Jimmy Butler.
Jimmy Butler's freshman year, Marquette, he didn't do anything.
Now, Jimmy stayed in school and develop.
Like, come on.
He stayed in school and developed.
But now we're just, but we know,
Brony is just given the opportunity to develop at the pro level.
Again, my, I'm cool with this.
My only issue is similar to what Julian is talking about.
Don't make the last thing on your checklist of your career,
the first one on mine as your kid.
Like, I get it.
He's, LeBron is trying to go off into the sunset.
This was the last thing.
I get it.
LeBron has chips.
I get it.
Point.
MVP, anything you could think of.
You know what I say to that?
The first thing on his list is my son.
So what?
So what?
We've never seen it.
We're never going to see it again.
Jason Tatum is not going to be in the league when Deuce is fucking 20 years old and try to enter the draft.
Tatum is not going to still be played back.
And also, y'all don't like, y'all keep saying like let him stay in and let him develop.
This is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Brony could have stayed in school and blew out his fucking knee and never got to the NBA and never got to play with his dad.
Y'all keep putting it like that's only.
He could also blow out as me in the first NBA game.
I guarantee.
He made it, though.
He made it and he played with his dad.
I guarantee he wanted this more than LeBron did.
Y'all keep saying this is LeBron's dream.
To play with your dad.
It's definitely, it's definitely LeBron's dream to have his son play with him.
Yes, but it's also Bronny's dream.
Exactly.
It's also Brony's dream to go to the league.
To play with my father who's the greatest.
I think that's a cool add on.
Absolutely.
I don't think Brony would have been upset the way LeBron would have been upset.
Bronny just went to the league.
That was his goal.
in my opinion. But like baby D. just said,
what happens next year if fucking,
like we got to, listen, bro. I hate that comparison.
Anything with sports? Because that could happen.
So we rip him out of college and put him
into the most high pressure league under the lights
of the Staple Center. Not that we rip him out of college.
We give him his opportunity
to prove. It's just
he's not, look, if the goals
to get to league, get to league on your term,
it just annoys me that
it doesn't seem like Bronnie's in control
or in the driver's seat of any of the actions
that's happening in his life. That's what I'm
critical of. But those are y'all putting those decisions.
Because it's LeBron choosing the path for Ronnie that best fits
his timeline. I get what you saying. That's my problem.
I get what you saying. But the thing about it is, Julian,
if your dad
is LeBron
and
the route that LeBron took and
you know, as great as we thought
LeBron would be coming out of high school,
LeBron James overachieved.
He did. Of course. He definitely did.
He surpassed everything that people ever said he would be and he would do.
I think that LeBron looked at it like, listen, my son had a heart attack.
You know, life is fragile.
I don't, we don't know what tomorrow.
If we're able to make this happen right now, if LeBron, because here's the thing about it.
If Brony went on to do four years of UFC and average 15 points a game, guess what?
People would still be saying he's not good enough to go to game.
Oh, I mean, that's exactly for sure.
And I take back a little bit.
You understand what I'm saying?
So it's like, regardless if it happened after his fresh.
year or his senior year, the writers and the analysts would be saying he's only going to get
drafted because he's James Jr. Exactly, no matter what he did. So we can stop this shit like,
oh, LeBron's throwing his dream. Of course it's LeBron's dream to want to play. Who wouldn't have
that dream as an athlete that has kids? That one day my son might be on the bench with me
playing on the same. What father would not want that to be his reality? So yes, LeBron James
has worked hard enough, he's been consistent enough,
he's been dominant enough,
he's influential enough, he's powerful enough
to make this happen.
We've never seen it before.
So what?
Let it happen.
Let it unfold.
Let's watch the story because, again,
what if Brani turns out to be a very good,
why is nobody speaking to that side of the story?
What if he turns out,
he goes into Vegas Summer League,
he goes into training camp,
He starts fucking killing.
He picks up the NBA game fast.
He adjust quickly and becomes a very good...
He just has to be Derek Fisher.
Don't do that.
Don't do what?
Just having to be Derek Fisher is crazy.
Just having to be Derek Fisher can play.
He hit one of the most important shots in Laker history.
It's still only one shot.
Well, not compared to Robert Ory, but...
It's still one...
I'm just saying...
Oh, that Derek Fish went over to Spurs?
Derek Fisher's numbers don't just fucking...
Robert Ory against the Kings?
Fam, that Derek, all right.
Look, I'm not, what's pointing here.
You're talking about that got nothing to do with nothing.
I'm talking about some real shit.
All Bronny has to, yeah, because all that's other shit is stupid shit.
All Brony has to do is just be a decent player.
Derek Fisher is not a fucking out one in a life, once in a lifetime player.
He's just a good player.
He's a decent player.
He was a great player.
He was a great player.
He was a great role.
I'm throwing great around too much, man.
He played on the championship team.
So this fucking market.
Madsen, he's not a fucking great player.
So does Samaki Walker. He's not a great
player? You don't think Gary Fisher
in the role he played with the Lakers did not make
him a great point guard? No.
I don't think Derek Fisher was a great point guard.
You think he's Mario Chalmers? That's what you think?
Yeah, Mario Chalmers is not a great point guard.
I know, but you're talking about him like he's
fucking Mario Chalmers. What did Derek Fisher
average for his career, bro?
On that lake. You can't talk about the impact Derek
Fisher had on that fucking team.
Derek Fitch is not a great player.
Double digits average.
on the two championships on the Lakers team that he won rings.
Double figure score.
That's a great player.
Shack and Kobe?
Was Shack and Kobe on your team?
When you probably get what,
10 touches a game?
That's not a great player.
I'm not saying he's Tony Parker,
but you can't say he's not.
When you're a great player,
you get more than fucking three,
four shots a game.
When you're a great player,
the fucking team is revolves around.
It's Shaq and Kobe.
So what?
He went to other teams when Kobe wasn't on his team.
Was he a great player there?
He was older.
Man, Derek Fisher is not a great...
Stop it, man.
Is he a great coach?
Cut the shit.
No.
I'm, I know.
Fuck, he's not a great player.
He's not a great coach.
He ain't a great nigga.
Actually, I have her some nasty.
He's actually done some nasty shit.
He ain't great.
He ain't anything great about Derek Fisher.
The fuck who's great?
I don't see it and then y'all do that.
I don't like that.
I don't like, I hate.
I don't hate.
That's what you all to me.
That's what you all to me.
Everybody.
Everything.
Everyone.
Chris Rock.
Yeah.
You said Little Yolly
stole.
child's drums. He didn't even even heard the fucking drum. That's hate. That means I hate
little yadi? That means you hate that he had those drums. No, I'd like those drums.
You a hater. You're a hater. I'm not hating. I'm hating the fact that y'all put in the name
great on a player that wasn't great. I'm hating with y'all's name. With the drums great.
Drums are really good. Drums are really good. But yeah, that's all I'm hating.
Five-time NBA champion law. Thank you, Shaq. Thank you, Kobe.
That's all I'm saying. So all Brownie has to do is go in and be a good.
player and the pick is not wasted.
That's all I'm saying.
It's going to be a lot of pressure, but he knows that.
He knows his last name.
He knows who he looks like.
He knows who his daddy is.
He knows it's going to be tough.
I'm just happy to see a young black kid
experienced nepotism at this level.
Yes.
And I just want everybody to stop putting all this onus on LeBron
because I don't think that Savannah and LeBron are pressuring
Brani to do something that Brony doesn't want to do.
Brony, Brony very obviously wants to do this.
We know a bunch of kids that come from great families and can experience nepotism at the highest
level.
Guess what?
A lot of themigas are strung out on drugs.
Mufferuckers is doing all kind of getting arrested, DUIs, all kind of shit.
So now that we see nepotism on level where a kid can become a professional player and just
get a shot to prove people wrong, I'm rooting for that shit.
Yeah.
I'm going to fuck with none of these people.
Oh, Bron got.
So what?
What's your daddy got you?
Because all my daddy got me was a motherfucking
old starter pistol, nigga.
That's what I got handed down.
For real?
Not me.
I'm just saying.
Niggas, you know.
Not me.
I actually loved her genuine concern.
Like, really?
Oh my gosh.
No.
But I'm just saying, like, we don't get to experience
that type of nepotism.
Yeah.
Like, so for us to be able to see it,
yeah, because if this was a part of a movie script,
we would all sat there and watch it like, man,
this shit would never forget the fuck out of there
with this unbelievable shit.
Well, I hope that he does really well,
because I think that he does really well,
because I think that.
If he does really well and has like that story where he becomes the greatest,
the movie is going to be amazing.
We're going to cry.
Like that story.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
That's that story is, come on, bro.
The great.
Damn.
You're a hater.
You're righter.
Look at you.
I'm really rooting for Brayette.
I started this.
I was saying I hate the Lakers, but I am rooting for Brony and LeBron.
Then your emotions changed.
So now you hate it.
Yeah, your true color is trying through.
Because she said he has the potential to be one of the greatest?
No, that's not what I said.
That's not what I said.
I said, the movie.
I said,
If he has that amazing comeback story, this movie has the potential to be the greatest
comeback story.
I thought you were doing a metaphor.
Y'all Nica said Derek Fisher was a great player.
Yeah.
Great role player.
Okay.
Was he a great role player?
Can you go with that?
Come on, Ma.
A great role player?
Yeah.
That's all I said.
No, you said he was a great player.
You said he was a great player.
I said he was a great role player.
Stop.
No, I said he was a great player.
No, I know I did.
I said that too.
I know.
You said that.
You said he's a great player.
He started yelling before I could.
I said a great player and then I said in that system, wasn't he great?
But I did definitely say that he was a great player.
He also thinks Derek Fisher's shot was better than Robert Orris.
So I don't even know where we can go there.
I'm not, why is it always got to be better than?
I said they're both incredible shots.
That's all I said.
I never said it was better than Robert Ores.
Listen, Jaylen Brunson, great player.
Derek Fisher ain't Jaylen Brunson.
Well, why are you?
No one is to an all-star.
That's not fair.
Exactly my point.
But you can compare them to another.
role player. That's what that would be a more
K.J. McConnell? It's
even lesser than that, I would say.
This is just. Derek Fischer's a lesser of a player than
T.J. McConnell and you called him great. I didn't
call him great. You did too. What is he talking about?
This is that. This is the Aitlis and B. And I didn't see
a conversation all over again. Great system player.
You didn't say system did not come out your mouth.
System. Now it did. Julian, it's okay to say
I was wrong. I wasn't wrong. Listen, man,
shout out to Brony James. Shout out to the James
family. Shout out to Savannah.
Shout out of Savannah.
Her husband and her son got a job.
Yeah.
She's doing eyes.
She's holding that household now.
She's doing pretty good.
Isn't Zuri like killing it on YouTube and shit?
Yeah.
Didn't Savannah just start a podcast as well?
Great family, man.
That's black royalty right there.
Workers in that family.
Shout out to the James family.
Shout out to the James family.
Shout out to you niggas draft Ron.
Shout out to Adele.
Is she still with Rich?
Yeah.
She loved Rich.
Nice.
That's her man, her man, her man, how man?
Set it right on stage in Vegas.
Yeah.
You don't stay on basketball, guys.
Did you see the WMBA All-Star lineups?
WMBA All-Star versus the USA Women's National Team.
The national team is going to smoke the WMA All-Stars.
It is what it is.
But I do like this.
I do like them putting the WMBA All-Stars against the USA National Team.
I think that's a cool way to kind of spin the all-star weekend.
It's unfair.
But it's cool.
Because none of y'all can guard Asia or Diana Tarasi, but, you know, it is what it is.
Yeah, I'm definitely going to watch.
This is a fun stat.
So they released the amount of votes, the top five women that were
voted from the 2023 All-Star ranking
to the top five from this year.
And look at the jump in the amount
of votes from just a year's
difference. Yeah, that's awesome. This is incredible.
Shout out to Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, man.
Again, we spoke about
the way they've lifted and elevated
the WMBA platform.
I just hope that it reflects, obviously,
in these types of votes, people coming out to games,
people buying merch,
the women, the players
getting paid more, if people support
the league more. You see how it all just
is a cycle of giving.
Liberty, 17 and 3.
Yeah.
Can we go?
Their games are fun and they play the Barclays.
They're not like playing in like some rinky-dink bullshit.
And Ellie's the best.
Ellie's so cute.
I'm the only one here that has been to a WMBA.
I did court side of the Liberty last year.
And shout out to Brianna Stewart, big Syracuse, baby.
Big Syracuse.
Oh, she's from Syracuse.
Connecticut legend.
Connecticut legend.
So why she ain't go to Syracuse?
Does no one wants to do that?
Do they have a woman's program like that?
No.
Syracuse?
I really don't know.
I mean, of course I know Yukon has amazing.
I mean, it's not, you.
Yeah, like, is it comparable?
Clearly, she's extremely good at basketball.
Yeah, but Brianna.
Was there an incentive for her to go to Syracuse and Yukon?
When you as great as Brianna, fuck it, I stay home and elevate the program.
That's true.
That's all.
Y'all can't beat us.
They just broke another, the game, it was like yesterday, two days ago, the Aces and the
fever just broke another attendance record.
It was over 20,000 people.
Shout out to Caitlin Clark.
Yeah.
And that game was in Vegas.
I saw a clip of Caitlin Clark.
somebody asked her if she gets like
in game
advice and shit from like players
and teammates and she was like
I saw her. She said no I wish like nobody
talks to me
but it's also a professional level
competition like no like even her teammates
don't give her enough
well that's fucking crazy
not just the opposing team that's fucking crazy
yeah like nobody
no I just saw um shorty apologized
that was the literal quote maw wasn't exaggeration
Nobody gives me advice in games, I wish.
No, but was it the other team?
No, she's talking about nobody.
She said nobody gives me advice.
Which just isn't true.
That can't be true.
How are you going to tell her what's true for her?
It's a team sport.
They taught, like, there's no way she's just walking around this whole franchise and no one's
giving her a fucking word.
Julian, Julian, Julian, Julian, they don't even come to her aid when bitches is throwing her to the ground.
They don't even come up.
They don't pick her up.
You think they're giving her advice.
Like, yo, you should set the screen next time and come off and get it to
get two dribble pull-up.
We're not even helping out both the floors.
Like,
it's so,
it's so amazing to see the difference between her.
And, like,
for example,
Angel Reese is such a league.
She's a rookie,
but she's such a leader on her team.
Like,
her team is so tight-knit.
Like,
they have clips come out all the time and stuff.
Yeah,
but the way,
the way that team welcomed Angel Reese,
they was dead wrong for that.
Yeah, no,
how they welcomed her was,
yeah.
You saw that welcome they had?
Yes, I saw it.
Oh, that little, like,
high school, like, walking out?
Yeah.
You saw that shit?
Caitlin Clark?
They threw a fucking parade.
Like, how did they do Angel Reese like that?
Andrews walked into a high school gymnasium.
It was like, it was so fucked out chairs in the table.
But how does the NBA like welcome rookies?
When you're to carry my bag.
When you're to,
LeBron even said that he used to have to carry bags as rookie.
No, that's part.
I'm talking about welcoming one of the biggest names to the league.
Yeah.
Come on, fam.
You got to,
you got to welcome Angel a little better than that.
That's what I'm saying.
But yeah, she seems like such an amazing.
she's going to be
Caitlin may be like the star
when it comes to like points and shit like that
Angel Reese is the star rookie when it comes
like her whole persona
and everything like
Well I think Angel is more
She's more marketable away from the game
than Caitlin is
But when you talk about
She gives more of a personality to the public
I don't know we don't know either of these women
But when you talk about tickets
And viewership
People are going to lean more towards
Caitlin because her style of play
obviously she's one of the greatest shooters
but Angel
when you talk about marketing
and you talk about
sponsorships and things like that
like Angel has that personality
that look that
the WMBA can grow
outside of just on the court
the game
Caitlin is going to elevate the game
as far as just skill
play things like that
Angel's been killing too
I was about to say shout out of her
she broke the record for most
back-to-back double doubles
double doubles but but I think
This is why they need each other
is because it's
they both are going to elevate
the WMBA in different areas.
Gameplay and then marketing,
which is why it's special to have them
in the league at the same time.
Angel will give you Charles Barkley-esque commercials
of I'm not a role model type shit.
Exactly.
She'll do iconic marketing.
Exactly.
I just don't want that to get lost
that she is also an amazing player.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't think that's lost at all, though.
While Caitlin's over there saying
that none of her teammates give her advice,
Angel Reese's teammates won't stop talking about how amazing a teammate she is.
Yeah, no, I get it.
You know, women are shady.
Yeah.
They just don't, you know, people don't, they don't like Kaylon Clark for whatever reason.
I don't know, I don't know what it is.
Never met her.
She probably, Kaylin Clark could be an asshole.
I don't know.
I never met her.
But.
Or she can be hysterical.
She could be fucking Jim Carrey.
She could be, you know what?
Why a white comedian, though?
That's, she doesn't race.
Chris Rock.
Yeah, why couldn't she be the Chris Rock of the WMBA?
All right.
She's the Chris Rock.
He's funnier.
Like, whatever.
But.
Jim Carrey's
funny than Chris Rock?
Yes.
Yes, let's go.
Fire it up.
They're two totally
different comedians.
They're not comparable at home.
I've never seen
Jim Carrey stand up.
He's not a stand-up.
He's not stand-up.
So how is he
is a funnier comedic actor?
Yeah.
But that's not fair.
I give you that.
He's a funnier comedic actor,
100%.
He's a much better actor.
But when you say he's funnier than,
I don't know if Jim Carrey
is funny.
Jim Carrey and Chris Rock were in the room together with you.
I feel like Jim Carrey would make you laugh more than Chris Rock would make you laugh.
Well, that's actually true.
It's different types of comedy.
Jim Carrey is more of a clown.
Like, Jim Carrier do clown shit where Chris Rock might react to something and say something
and you'll start fucking.
Like, your dad was fucking hard.
I've seen that question before of like if all the comedians in the room, who would make you laugh the most?
I think like Tracy Morgan and Mike Epps would make me laugh before Chappelle.
would in a room.
Yeah.
Like, they're that type of funny.
Yeah.
They're on the block funny.
Yeah.
So that's such a weird.
Yeah, I think Jim Carrey would make me laugh before Chris Rock in a room.
I feel like, yo, Mike.
If I wanted someone with a microphone to just talk, Chris Rock and it's not even
remotely close.
If you put all the comedians in the room, who do you think would make you laugh the hardest?
It might be cat for me because Cat don't even got to open his mouth.
Yeah, Cat would be up there for sure.
You're just seeing him as funny.
Cat don't even got to open.
Just seeing Cat, like, raise his mouth.
raise his eyebrow might make me start dying laughing or roll his eyes at somebody or something that
walk in boy cat williams just walking in a room is funny because i'm like yo what is this is
gonna be crazy it's off the outfit alone yeah cat williams just walking in a room i'm gonna laugh
and i feel like kevin hart is probably way funnier in person than he is on stage i feel like kevin hard
would be funny in like insane to be yeah yeah for sure um i don't know what oh shout out to uh
kaelin clark and angel reese wmba versus u sa nashashashashash national
team.
My money's on Asian
Diana Tarassey, that's all.
I'm rolling with them.
I'm going to try to get us
Liberty tickets.
And shout out to Bronte,
once again,
fuck y'all for hating
and being mad at nepotism.
I support black
and Hispanic nepotism.
Let us get a taste
of the nepotism.
Before we get to voicemails,
I mean, a lot of new music
came out.
Maybe we saved that for Patreon.
No, we need to talk about new music.
Okay.
We have to talk about it.
I think Lucky Day is
candidate.
We're in July, right?
So a little past halfway through the year.
Lucky Day may have album the year for me.
Really?
You think his album is better than Bryson's?
Nah.
Yeah.
Who, sir?
Kind of, yeah.
That Bryson album is fucking crazy.
I think it's unfair to say to Bryson right now because Lucky Day just came out, but
that Lucky Day album is very special.
It's a good album.
It's a really good album.
I'm still on my first listen.
We were listening to at Mall while we were hanging out here.
But there's, I'm seven songs.
in, there's not a miss so far.
That Bryce and Tiller album is really, really good, but off just weekend, listen, that
Lucky Day shit is crazy.
No, it's a good album.
I like it.
I like Lucky Day.
I like his album.
Lucky Days catalog.
He's on Toast him, right?
I would imagine.
And this album, I need to see live.
It's one of those that you need to see live.
But just looking back at Lucky's catalog right now, we need to start having some conversations.
He don't really miss.
Like, at all.
his albums are crazy
what's he three for three now yeah
did givion drop something
if he did I missed it
I've been waiting for givion
same
I like kinda you kinda cancel them after he
I ain't cancel a fuck ass thing
after him and uh
went right to his album
Justin's guy
and I love that he started his album
with his grandma saying you know it's okay
it was her fault
that's like his will Smith moment
hold me down granny
yeah no accountability
uh did you guys anyone else here
I asked Rory, I don't think he'd listen to it yet, but any of you, either of you check out the James Blake Yadi album, bad cameo.
I did. Thoughts? It's cool. It's all right. I love James Blake sound and I thought Yadi might be able to pair well with it, but it's a little. I thought I was worried about it. Coming off of Yaddy's last album, I had like a high expectation because I thought that sound lent itself more to what James Blake could like compliment. But it wasn't. It just kind of just kind of just kind of.
became too drab and just like, all right.
Yeah.
I get it.
I'm gonna listen to it because I do fuck with both of them,
but the episode that you missed,
we had the exact same take.
Oh, really?
I didn't listen to that.
His last album,
this could actually work,
but we were worried.
Yeah, if it was like maybe five, six records,
I would feel great.
It's just,
it's too much.
Yeah.
Love them both.
Well, you guys know I'm here to always stand up for the women.
Megan dropped her latest album.
Have you guys heard it?
First of all, shout out to Chow,
for his placement with the Victoria Monet and Megan's song.
Yaddy could never.
Yeah.
Shout out to Child.
He wrote the City Girl's best record.
Obviously joking.
Friend of the show.
Have you guys heard Megan's new album?
I heard a few records.
Again, I didn't have very much time between last week and today to listen to much,
but I am going to listen to it.
You were sending me, records.
I was.
There's a PimC verse on there.
Unreleased PimC verse on there.
That's one of my favorite songs on the album.
It's really good.
So she leaned completely into pussy rap this album.
I mean, didn't we assume that was, has she ever done?
Her last album, her last album had pussy rap on it, but it wasn't this much pussy rap and the niggas paid it dust.
That's kind of weird though, judging by the singles, like, judging by the singles for this album, I thought she wasn't going to go pussy rap.
I mean, if you go to the singles, the singles aren't pussy rap, right?
I know, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, the singles weren't pussy rap, but the album is heavy pussy rap.
She has two Japanese.
based songs on there
one with a Japanese rapper
her anime fans are loving that shit
smart for her to look
Yeah for sure
She definitely should it
It makes her stand out
But yeah it is very heavily
Pussy Rap based
But like I said I don't blame her
Her last album she took risks
And nobody cared
They complained about
She changed her flow on the last album
She changed her substance
And nobody gave a fuck
So she leans back into pussy rap
And you know
It works for her
I like it a lot
I really like it a lot
She has a Tina Marie sample on there.
Like she did her thing.
Whoever put it together
because a Tina Marie drill sample, I'm here for.
Yeah.
I didn't hear it yet, but I do,
just looking at Megan and what she's doing right now
and, you know, being on tour
and seeing clips of the show and things like that,
like she seems to be more of a well-rounded artist now
than she's probably ever been.
Stage performance, music, just physically,
I'm guessing she's probably in a better space emotionally and mentally as well.
So I'm room for Megan.
I like Megan a lot.
Like I said, her performance at the BET Awards, I think she stood out head above any other female rapper that touched the stage.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
For sure.
Got voicemails?
You've got male.
Dude, this is a fun one.
I got a couple good ones I'll listen to this morning.
So here we go.
Hey, y'all. I just want to say, first off, I appreciate the pods so much. You guys actually helped me get through my divorce. So thank you for that. All right. Let me just get straight to it. So my name's Kalani. I'm 27. I'm from the Bay Area. Like I said, I'm divorced. I got married at 18. 10 out of 10.
Kalani from the Bay Area? Calm your loins. That's not that Kaylon.
Okay. So she's married at 18, divorced now 27. Got it.
But yeah, anyway, I stayed single for a while after my divorce and then decided to start dating again.
A few months into me dating around, I met somebody and we hit it off instantly.
He's much older than me.
He's 44, but shit just float, like very naturally.
But fast forward, we've been dating for seven months now.
And I feel like he has a really big red flag.
that being, he told me he moves like we're in a relationship, he acts like we're in a relationship,
but he is afraid to make that final commitment to me of being in a relationship because in his past
he's always cheated on people he was actually in a relationship with.
And I feel like...
Anything?
Before we finish.
No.
The way older guys spin younger women is so obvious in their face.
How old is she?
She's 27.
So she's not super, super young.
But he's 44.
I can't like him.
And clearly he only probably age younger women because he likes to spin women.
Right.
So you can continue on.
Yeah, this is sick.
At this point, is it manipulation?
Is it like saying, oh, one day we're together because I'm a placeholder?
I'm asking you all, because I know you guys are going to give it to me straight.
I know they have brutal honesty on this pod.
And as a person that's already been through the ringer, I need the, I need the brutal
honesty. Like, I need y'all to just give it to me straight.
What do you think? Do you want to lead with dump them or?
I want to lead with a, it's her fault.
Ooh.
Here we go with this shit.
There we go.
It is, but.
She just asked for brutal honesty from us.
The guy she's dating just gave her brutal honesty.
And she ain't taking it.
So what the fuck of my, no, exactly.
I'm not going to give you brutal honesty because that guy just gave you honesty and now you're
asking us, what should I do? What do you think you should do?
You see?
and that's the difference when you're dealing with a nigger that's pimping.
That's pimping right there.
You give it to a straight, listen, this is, I ain't, this is what it is.
And this is what it ain't.
Deal with it or don't.
But that's not what he, that's not how he presented it.
I mean, I love you.
And, you know, we have an amazing time.
But any other time I've been in a relationship and I just cheated and I don't want to
disappoint you like that.
I don't want to let you down or hurt you.
So I just don't think I'm ready to, he manipulated her.
He's saying you don't...
It's bad manipulation?
He's saying, you don't deserve that version of me because I know I'll hurt you.
So how about we just stay in like this gray area where like I don't actually commit
I can fuck other bitches but not feels bad?
Yeah.
Oh, no, that's what he's saying for sure.
Don't get me wrong.
44.
But he's giving her the option.
If he was still continuing on to do this relationship shit and saying, yo, we're in a relationship
is still fucking around.
That's manipulation.
He's straight up told her.
He's not, he's not manipulating nothing because he's telling her exactly what it is.
He's not telling her exactly what.
what it is is I don't want to be with you.
No, no, but no, he said I want to fuck you and fuck other women.
Yeah, but what if it's not that?
What if he wants to be with her?
He doesn't want to be with her.
He does.
No, he's with her.
He's just saying like, yo, like, in my past, whenever we try to take shit to a certain level,
it just always, you know what I mean?
It goes, it just falls apart.
It doesn't fall apart.
I cheat.
It falls apart.
And if she decides to stay with him, he's getting ahead of getting caught cheating and going,
yo, I told you so.
Yeah.
that's manipulation.
Is that manipulation?
It's laying the groundwork for manipulation.
He's giving her the groundwork for it.
No, listen, I'm not taking her off the hook because it's shitty manipulation.
He is with his actions telling you what it.
It don't matter why he don't want to be with you.
He don't want to be with you.
I don't want to be with you because I'm afraid.
My mama told me that if I get in a relationship, I'm getting cancer.
I don't give a fuck what the reasoning is.
I don't want to be with you, period.
Doesn't matter what comes because or whatever comes after the comma.
Nah, but you got to give the because, though.
No, I don't want to be with you.
He's telling you he don't want to be with you.
You're talking about that's a red flag.
No, that's a decision.
He made a decision.
There's no black.
He's saying I want to be with you on my terms.
And if you don't want those terms, leave.
The door's right there.
I told you exactly how I operate.
And if that's not something for you,
telling you now before,
seven months in, that's when,
I mean, sometimes way earlier.
But I've seen people talk for seven months
and then finally start having those conversations.
It's been seven months.
Like, what do we do?
I know people that have been talking for 10 years and never had those conversations.
That's insane. That's pimping right there.
I need to know the intention.
10 years and she still don't know what we is?
You can't.
What are you talking about?
You know, one of your friends dated somebody for 10 years?
No, my one of my dad's friends.
You got some fucking nervous.
What the fuck you look at me?
You don't understand that.
Listen.
At grown, at the big ass age of 27, you don't know what we are.
Seven months in?
No, we should be having the conversation now at seven months, which I think is healthy.
That's a conversation about whether there's a potential for us to be in a relationship
after a month.
She's divorced.
I didn't say you have to be in a relationship.
I didn't even see your toes without polish on them.
I don't know if I love that.
Have you ever been shitting in my house yet?
A month now.
After a month, you can have the discussion about not, maybe not where we're going, but whether
you want a relationship or not.
You can't understand a girl that was married at 18, divorced at 26, 27.
just fucking around for a bit
and at seven months with a 44 year old
that conversation finally happening
you think that happened in month one
with a divorcee and a 44 year old male
that clearly does not settle down.
She never lived. She's in her phase
of just trying to enjoy it.
She said she was dating around
and just connected more with this guy.
Okay, that makes sense.
All the rest of y'all don't have no excuse.
That 44 year old nigga got to hold
that little Tizaroni took her in that back room.
She said, I didn't even know my legs
could bend that far.
I know what he was doing.
His eyes lit up when she said, I'm 27 and divorced.
He said, oh, I could take you for three or four years.
He said, oh, really?
Spend this.
This is the easiest.
Your entire 20s was spent with a nigger.
Oh, my God.
Married?
Oh.
That's like putting LeBron in the fucking G League.
That's a rare Pokemon.
It's too easy.
It's too easy.
And you know he showed her the world.
Like, you know when someone like gets out of jail that did a crazy bid and then you
showed them my iPhone and they're like, yo, what the fuck?
You know she got out of that.
from 18 to 27
and was like, what's a restaurant?
Exactly.
Stop.
Fucked her hat up.
People go on vacation?
Yeah, fuck the head up.
That's too easy for that.
He needed, I might be with...
I'm gonna talk to him.
I might be with Baby D on this one.
He, he know what he doing.
He knows what he doing.
He knows exactly what he's doing.
He knows exactly what he's doing.
But you don't respect that.
I respect that. I respect that.
But also,
also, Shorty, let me tell you some, baby.
You haven't really dated.
Yes, you connect him with a 44-year-old.
You're 27.
that nigga has about five years
maybe eight left
of his dick working
what?
You think the dick go out of 50?
Have fun with him.
Blue chune, no roaring mall code.
Have fun with him.
Papa chewy.
Enjoy your time.
Make them spend money on you.
Run around.
Like, enjoy your singleness
with an older man.
It's the greatest.
They spend a lot of money.
They're a lot of fun.
They give you a lot of knowledge.
Girl, go, when you're ready
to start seriously dating again
and get somebody that's within five years
of your age,
you don't want that old.
You're not going to want him in five years.
I'm telling you, you not.
She probably likes because he's older,
more of a structure because you just get a whole marriage.
So yeah, I see why she went after an older dude right away.
Yeah, but you don't want to, you don't want him to be your long term.
And he don't want you to be his long term.
You don't want shit on any terms.
Yeah, he wants no terms.
No, he wants her to bring her friend in a bedroom.
I'm on.
I mean, there's no hints there, but I imagine he probably wouldn't mind.
I'm on the marriage side.
If it's financially, like if this guy is doing well enough
to just support you and just like kind of, you know, spoil you a bit.
Run with it.
Don't expect shit from him emotionally.
Go to nice dinners.
No, she's attachment Barbie.
She got fucking married at 18.
It's attachment Barbie.
She can't, she's not going to be out here spinning the 44-year-old.
The 44-year-old is going to be out here spinning her because she don't even have no experience.
Spinning niggas.
I wonder where she lives.
You have no niggas.
She's Kalani from the bed.
Oh, yeah.
She's Kalani from the bed.
Should she move?
Did she just go on a whole new train?
She goes on a whole new train?
pimping, man. I know pimping when I hear pimping, man.
He's about to put her on the stroll. I tell you.
Stop them all. I'm trying to tell you some real shit. Y'all think I'm joking?
And I feel like that honesty kind of turned her on too because she just went probably through
five, six years of lies with the divorce. So when he straight up said what it was,
she probably liked that shit. In the words of Roy, honesty can be toxic too.
It definitely can be.
Man, listen, honesty can be toxic. He was going to sit her down like, listen, baby,
bills is getting tight.
you got to go out there and do something strange
for a little bit of these.
Stop.
You being disrespectful.
I know how these older,
listen,
I'm an older than me.
So I know.
He older than me.
You got some man astro?
Who me?
Yeah,
no.
No,
that's an old life.
I don't do that.
I'm just saying,
I know what he's trying to do.
Oh,
I know what he's trying to.
She green.
She,
oh, listen,
she's,
she just got out of a nine year.
She was married?
Yes.
Yeah.
This nigger hit the jack.
I'm telling you what.
This thing is.
She got married out of high school.
You got married at 18.
So in high school, they were probably together for
Or probably wasn't able to experience any nice things.
Nothing.
He about to create her only thing.
You ain't never had a nigger send you a one-way ticket to Miami, sis.
You got to live.
Fuck that old nigga.
You got to live.
A one-way ticket to Miami is crazy.
You got to live, yeah.
Being in Miami for more than three days, you ready to get out of there.
Like, all right, son, I'm ready to go home.
Not if you'd ever been there before.
Single.
She probably traveled.
Did she say what she'd do for work?
No.
No.
You ain't never been to Miami single
at Nikki Beach on a yacht.
It's only 27.
She's young.
She is young.
She is young.
The good thing is she couldn't get back in the game.
So yeah, my final thought on this is leave.
He told you what it is.
You were looking to have a relationship.
I don't think you need a relationship right now.
Just keep dating.
She needs whole friends.
Wait, did you make it out of that 10-year relationship with no kids?
I feel like she would have said that if she had kids.
She didn't mention it.
My sister
Being married for nine years
And then getting divorced
With no kids
It's crazy
Especially at 18
She made it out
That's crazy
But you don't know
Her situation
Let's not
Okay I'm sorry
Yeah that could be awful
Sorry
Yeah I'm sorry
Well if it's not
Anything health-wise
Yeah
Do you think
She has she
I think she should get
Some whole friends
Show her the ropes
Yeah
Y'all not
Listen to it
I'm telling you
She is the whole friend
But like she's not
This thing about to have all
All right man
She's a listener
and a Patreon user.
What if he's paying for the Patreon?
You're calling her a future prostitute
if she supports your fucking show.
Sex workers don't listen to our show.
I know a few of them.
I know a few girls that got only fans
that fucking...
He about to just manage her only fans account.
She's going to be masturbating, you know?
Ain't nobody touching her.
But he pimping.
He's the one that he's controlling that account.
This is a paid member of them.
Yeah, he responded.
She doesn't even have her own login.
Yeah, he responded to the DMs.
You know how that shit go.
I know these think it's just virtual pimping.
That's all
Now I'm not saying
He's gonna put on figure
O'
She ain't about to be
Walking the stress
But she
She's about to get
Her OnlyFats page pop
And he's gonna control it
100% I know
It should be a Berkeley hoe
Not an open
Yeah yeah
I know what he had it
With that shit
I'm actually
About to ask
If any of my friends
wanna get
To the OnlyFans life
I would love to manage
Your OnlyFans
Like
I would love to be
An only fans manager
See
You were supposed
To answer
Your Only Fans
Nasty
Yeah it's just
It's a bad look
If you're
If you're sorry
To your only fans
You wouldn't be on this pot
anymore. You'd be making too much money. You get the fuck out of here.
Fuck y'all. I'll be out. But it's a bad
look. I wouldn't do that. Because I don't like when
people talk about me wrong. Like, and they get
shit wrong. But just be so mean. Yeah, but you
do show whatever you want. It doesn't have to be your
asshole. Do what Karoochie's doing.
She got her feet, her feet page.
Just cook in a bra. You also,
you invite a lot of
horny niggas, yeah. Yeah, you invite
a lot of energy. And it's just like, I
experience enough horny niggas just being on this
podcast. Like, I went live yesterday
and I was cooking. A nigga asked me what my favorite
sex toy was. Like I don't like the horny energy. Gangsta. I don't, I, I, I, I, I, I got right to it.
No, but this is it thing. So you, that nigga, that nigga said, fuck them kidney beans on that
stove. What's your favorite sex? You said, hey, how you doing? She said, good. He said, do a squirt.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he went right to it. Show me your toes. Get naked.
How do you like, it's crazy? How do you like your grits? I like my grits,
naked.
That's nasty.
But if you have a manager, they'd be the ones
responding to comments. You literally would just
have to be the person filming and
that's it. You wouldn't even have to
deal with it. No, we wouldn't judge
you on OnlyFans. If Julian was your manager
and he was replying to all the men in the DMs,
that's really who we'd be judging.
How would you get in your bag as
Damaris and the replies? We're not going to
play the scenario out. That's not going to have
Yomi probably would. I think
Pige would probably be the best to report.
Pete would smoke that because as him, the people
subscribing or the him. So who knows
him better than himself? Are they putting that on Pete?
Yeah. Why would you put that on Peach? Not like him
person. I think people like Peach. Stop.
It's still, you're still being shitty. Stop.
Like the way Krista Stefano made the aura of
who Peach is, even if it wasn't him.
Peaches, yeah. That's Peaches right there.
Peaches would be a good manager, not Peach.
But yeah, I do want to manage OnlyFans. So if anybody
wants to start our OnlyFans, you don't know how to get started.
You don't think that you would have good marketing.
I am offering free services
for the first month. DeMars, our listeners would
leak your OnlyFans videos first day.
Not my own.
I want to manage other people's only fans.
I'm going to be on there putting oil on her feet.
Who am I going to leak that?
I'm saying if she went for it.
I would never.
It's not my personality.
I would never do it.
But I do want to manage somebody else.
But if Baby Dee made it wink on all these things.
Shouldn't be having these conversations.
What?
Baby Dee.
She's going to fucking joke, man.
That loss is great, baby.
My loss should look like ditties.
Like, yeah.
Yeah, because reading that on paper, like, not in context with his tone.
Like, if that was just in a courtroom, just on paper.
And then he said, baby D, make it wink.
You have definitely have to explain to the judge what that means.
But thank God we have it on camera recorded the context.
Like, what we talk about.
But depending on what state, maybe we couldn't use that evidence.
Maybe it would just be the read.
And somebody fucking editing.
You know, if they made more read that shit out loud, I understand.
See, that's the difference.
I'm going to court.
And, but.
Do you know how I said it?
I ain't saying like that.
I know it sounds crazy, but like I said it in the context of a whole conversation.
I didn't hear it on the side like, yo, you're making it wink?
Like, that's crazy.
I said it on camera like, yo, your only fans would you make it wink?
And then now they bring the expert like up on the stand too of like trying to explain exactly what Mika
is.
Yeah.
So Miggott Gink would be having her vagina go up and then down as if it was winking like an eye.
It would be a kegel.
Yeah.
A whispering eye.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Make a wink.
Make the butthole wink.
That's all.
it's all good.
We got another one? Do we have another voice message?
Oh yeah.
Shout out to her.
Yeah. Get out of that situation.
Get out. Keep dating.
She can't.
She called to have us bully her about this.
Get out. She's involved in a crime right now.
Yeah. She's in a fucking, she's locked into a 360
with that ditty.
Yo, what's up with it? Big fan
of the pot. My name's
Smig. I'm from Ohio.
And I'm just going to get straight to it.
Last night, I was out having a
a couple drinks with the homies.
The spot we was at was dead,
so we ended up leaving it like midnight.
As I was driving home,
I had pulled up to this light.
An escalade full of bitches pull up.
They bump and glow really.
They turned up, all this shit.
They see me.
I see them.
They acknowledge me.
They're like, hey, what's up with it?
And growing a passenger seat,
she's like, oh, you cute.
And, you know, giving off good energy.
So I'm like, damn, where y'all going?
They tell me the little spot that they're going to.
I'm like, shit, I'll pull up.
I'll see all there.
I pull up to the spot.
They walk into the spot.
I see them.
I walk up to the girl
that was in the passenger seat
that was giving me the good energy.
I'm like, hey, you know
you're the only reason I'm in here tonight.
She immediately
responds with this stank attitude.
So I guess that mean you buying
drinks, all the drinks for me
and my friends then the night.
And I'm like, oh, damn, like straight like that.
Where this energy come from?
She's like, what you mean?
You met her at a red light.
I'm like, just, why are you?
acting like that. She's like, oh, I ain't acting like
nothing is you going to buy the drinks or what?
I said, listen,
baby, you enjoy your night
and I walked off to continue
enjoying mine, which include
buying drinks for other women.
And I just want to know, was
not petty for that or was she just out of pocket?
Julian, why you pick this voice,
Mo? Why not?
She played that a little wrong.
She could have went about that a little different.
because you can get a guy to buy
round of drinks for you and your girls
if the approach is right.
They met at a red light.
I met women at red lights.
I met women in...
How should she have acted?
No, I mean, you just have to be a little cooler than that.
Are you buying drinks for, like...
Like, what if you would have like,
all right, y'all fucking?
Well, you shouldn't say that.
She shouldn't have said that.
I agree, but he shouldn't have any expectations
of the woman that he met at a red light
that said, comes to his club.
No, I don't think he had expectations.
I just think he felt like that was a little, like, aggressive and a little...
Women that do that are corny.
Yeah, that's all.
I don't think he had any expectation.
I just think he felt like that approach was a little like, damn, like...
I wonder if he ugly.
I mean, he said that she said he was cute.
That could have been just bait for trying to get a nigga to come by.
That's what I'm wondering.
I'm wondering if he ugly.
Because if he was cute, he might have got a different response.
I'm not calling you ugly smig.
Shout out to you.
I was just wondering.
It could be like those girls that stand on.
on South Beach and like
try to fake get guys going to the club.
Oh yeah, they're promoters, but they're not
they're like they're like undercover agents
that are promoters.
Yeah, they're like, meet us here.
You need them there and they be like, yeah, so they just need
your card and beat my card.
Like, don't nobody need my card.
Then all of a sudden they're at the host stand and you're like,
how did that happen?
Yeah, like, you know, no, nobody need my car.
I thought she liked me.
Yeah, like, no, they don't need my card, shoddy.
Like, no, I'm cool.
It could have been one of those situations.
I just feel like this is extremely obvious.
Yes, she was rude.
Yes, she was entitled.
and no, if you don't find that type of thing attractive,
then no, you weren't wrong for not buying her drinks.
Some men like shit like that.
You run it, there's a whole community of men.
It's called a trick.
Yeah, there's a whole community of men that would have been like,
yeah, I'll buy you whatever you want.
There's years and years of songs about them.
What, asking for drinks?
Not like just the entitlement.
The entitlement, yeah.
Like, I'm willing to buy, we'll do it.
But, like, don't.
It's the, like, rash assumption and, like, anger.
You're buying drinks if not get away from it.
Yeah, it's not in the entitlement.
It's like the, yeah, it's the, why are you so like angry?
I mean, my energy with that is always, well, I was about to, but now I'm not.
Yeah, now I'm not.
Exactly.
I would have happily, without even you asking, would have.
Even for your friends, had you not jumped out like that.
I'd about you, let me get seven Fijis.
Those are more expensive than vodka right now.
More expensive with tequila.
That's crazy.
To the ladies listening who might not know how to finesse.
men out of their money.
She should have just went into the club
and when he tried to talk to her
give him no rhythm until a drink is placed
in your hand if you're that thirsty. If you're that thirsty
of a bitch you'll fly buying your own drinks
then you should have just had nothing to say
to him until the drink was in your hand. I hate a bum.
Show me your whispering eye. But to me that's even
we're like now you're going to give him rhythm
because he bought a drink. Because you got some tequila.
No, it's not even about. If a man can't identify that
then he deserves to be
deserves to be the trick. No, she, no.
She's a bum no matter what.
I'm saying how to be a more successful bum
so that you're not getting caught
so that you can finesse.
Be a finesse or don't be just a regular bum.
Fall for that shit.
I don't have any sympathy.
You should have been finessed
if you didn't peep that.
If you didn't peep that play,
I'm worried for you in the real world.
If you didn't,
that girl was giving you no rhythm
then you bought her a drink
and now she has time to like flirt with you?
Yeah.
No.
And she also, you just like,
how can I explain it?
You just, I don't know.
You could tell when the bitch ain't used to shit.
Why are you asking if a nigga buy,
when I go in and there's a nigga attempting to talk to me,
I'm assuming that my tab is on him,
not even on some like, I don't have it.
I'm paying my own shit, of course.
But if a man is really sitting up here in my face
trying to get to know me,
I'm automatically going to assume that you're going to buy me a drink.
I'm not even sitting there asking,
oh, can you buy me a drink?
That's an assumption that you're buying me a drink.
Especially with how they're mad.
That's just the type of people that I'm going to date.
So you know what I'm saying?
It's just like, you're not used to shit.
If you like, oh, are you buying my drinks?
You ain't used to shit.
Also, how much of a bummer are you that you can't afford a drink in Cleveland?
It's like, what, $6?
All right, hold on.
Cleveland is not like, isn't Cleveland like a major city?
I mean, it's not New York City.
I'm not shitting on Cleveland.
I'm just saying the prices in Cleveland are drastically lower than most cities.
I made it $25 for a round of drinks.
I think Cleveland's probably, what, 15 for a round of drinks?
and everybody
know that if you can't go to Belanochase
where could you go
where can you go
yeah I think to Demaris's point
a bum bitch
begging me to buy her a drink in Cleveland
it's not a girl I need
Circumstantially how they met
I think it was the assumption
is that they met at a red light
so then they went to the club together
it's not like he walked up to her in the club
it was trying to hit on her like they met
they went to the function
together you just said meet me there if you want
You just came up to me and said, you know, the only reason I'm in here.
He literally said, you know, the only reason why I'm here is because of you, right?
Boom.
He set himself up for that.
Now, granted, she's a bum, and the way did she handle it was awful.
But you here to see me.
So that comes with the territory of we're now in this club together.
Yeah.
She should have responded with it, and I'm only standing here because I'm waiting for you to buy me a drink.
That would have been cute.
Gangsta.
I would be like, get this bitch whatever she wants.
It's on the night.
Not it's on the night.
It's fucking on.
I don't know.
She could be.
used to like the Paul brothers tricking out there.
They live in Puerto Rico.
Cleveland has some rich people.
Cleveland definitely got some rich people.
Oh, man.
Imagine being rich and living in Cleveland, Ohio.
Oh, my God.
Sounds like a nightmare.
Imagine living in Cleveland, Ohio.
Would own the town.
Sounds like a nightmare.
But yeah, I don't know.
She played that a little wrong.
To answer your question, you were not an asshole.
No, you wasn't wrong.
She was being rude and entitled and you're not obligated to buy
anybody shit.
But to the women, just please have better finesse.
Y'all embarrassing.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm with you.
Well, this is a good return episode.
Thank you for everyone that was kind about us missing the last episode, which wasn't a lot of you.
A lot of you guys were really dicks about it.
Fuck everybody else's a dick.
Other than that, this was fun.
Get on the Patreon.
They were in my comments.
I got a story to tell you all.
Happy Fourth of July.
They were in my comments saying, Pod from the Wedding.
I was like, man, shut up.
Paul, I saw you.
I saw your girl.
I took mushroom.
chocolate. I saw your girl in concert.
Oh, I heard about that. I heard you got hitting the head with a pretzel.
Who?
Coiletet. I went and saw Coileret, Jeanne Iiko, Umi, Tink, Keanu Lade.
They on tour together? They're all on tour together.
That's sound like a nice little lot. I'm sure.
I've seen some clips from the Janais show. She loved she got a good stage set.
The production looks great.
Let me, I'm going to tell you my mushroom trip on Patreon.
Oh, you took shrooms at the show?
Yes.
Sounds like a good night.
Yeah.
All right. So let's talk about that.
And let's laugh at the debate
because we didn't talk about the debate since it happened.
We'd love to.
One of the greatest nights in TV history.
Jonathan was up there.
We can also talk about Sizzah doing splits with Simone Biles.
Watch that.
I watched that a few times.
She's, Sizzas, uh, Bendy?
She's flexible.
Oh, very.
She was a gymnast.
Like, so she, like, looked like...
Now we know her name come from.
Yeah.
A lot of people under those comments saying,
Siza might not be lying.
She's just lived this many lives.
No, she was up there doing everything Simone was doing.
Everything Simone was doing?
Yo, they did.
I mean, they didn't go crazy.
All about I say, if you show me Sizzar doing the fucking triple lucks,
no, landing that shit.
That's figure skating.
Yeah, but whatever.
Whatever.
If she's on the rings, triple lucks.
If she's on the fucking, the fucking,
Jayne Kish just did the bars and y'all didn't believe me.
Nah, but if Sizz would get up there and do the balls or Simone Biles, that's crazy.
Nah, she was, Sisset was showing out.
We'll talk about on.
Anthony Edwards might have gotten Zion off the hook when we can get into that as well.
What the fuck?
Anthony Edwards.
He might be worse.
That 44-year-old from Oakland needs to have a full.
Full conversation with Anthony Edwards.
Yeah, man.
Ant need somebody in his ear.
I'm scared for him already.
We'll talk to y'all soon.
Rest and peace, upscale crack.
New York City legend.
Rest and peace, chef, Jamal James Kent,
New York City legend.
Everybody be safe, be blessed.
Happy holidays.
And we'll talk to you all soon.
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He's just ginger.
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