New Rory & MAL - Episode 295 | Hip-Hop Media Isn’t Demure

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

Another weekend passed, another time Mal flakes on Demaris like 3 month old box braids and Rory gets into podcast beef. There was a debate on twitter stemming from Mal's take that Drake is a better songwriter than Mariah Carey, and Demaris doubles down on her take while Rory & Mal cast doubt (11:43). Speaking of comparing two greats, Tank said that Chris Brown is better than Michael Jackson in every aspect of talent - spoiler alert, the crew does not agree (29:00). Kanye's viral rant at 1Oak has resurfaced and we react to Chris Brown's version of the story (45:26). Meanwhile, Mandii from 'Whoreible Decisions' had some choice words for Melyssa Ford, and this makes us beg the question - Should media publicly critique other media platforms, especially in similar genres (55:55)? We discuss and come to an understanding. Julian catches the crew up on why the word 'demure' is suddenly inescapable if you're online (1:17:00), and Rory gets vulnerable, sharing a story with us of the last time he was hit on (1:29:44). We have voicemails! The first is from a guy asking about trendy words/phrases that we really hate (1:34:55), and the second is about etiquette for following/unfollowing after a breakup (1:46:30).For MORE Rory & Mal, make sure you subscribe to our Patreon community, for exclusive episodes, first access to tickets and merch sales, private live chats with the team, + more! https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalFollow Rory: @ThisIsRoryFollow MAL: @MAL_ByTheWayFollow Demaris: @DemarisAGiscombeFollow Julian: @Julian__nicholas To watch the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALYouTube Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMAL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But he's going to wrap. No. Anything that always be mine, because I know in my heart, babe. Oh, I held it down for you this weekend. This weekend? Yes. Helped down how? I don't like when people say shit like that.

Saw some pod ops and said, don't play with the NRM name. Keep mall's name out your mouth, Lex. Lex P. you think it's a game when you see me? Lex, what's up with Lex, man? I saw Lex for the first time in a minute. It was good to see her. But I told her stop playing with your name. I didn't like that.

I mean, did you tell her that you're going to vote? We didn't get that far in the conversation. It's more of like a catch of how you been, like what's going on in life. Because I like Lex a lot. Yeah, no, Lex, that's not. That's not only. I started with, yo, don't play with Mall's name. I appreciate that.

Thank you, man. Like, even security looked over like, damn, he's about to go off. Yeah. So she knows what time it is now. Thank you, man. I appreciate that. You need friends like that. You need friends that see your ops out.

That's going to run down on a woman. Yeah, run down on. Let us know, like, we're not playing those type of games. Watch your mouth, you know what I mean. Not the Lex-Doh. I was shocked that, well, I wasn't shocked whatsoever, but I did want to see you at the 40-40 Activation over the weekend. Because you did the 4-40 for real, like, you would never go to some pretend.

I don't do active- You wouldn't go to the Javitt Center. No. Definitely not. I don't do activations. You were scared of Michael Rubin? No, I never met Michael Ruben, but, you know, it would have been good to see him after, you know, his statements last week. Well, I did not see him.

But, I mean, I feel like the Javitt Center, the Javitt Center was built by the Westies. So, like, yeah. I felt at home no matter who was a event it was or who was there. That's like, that's Irish to me, the Javid Center. You're welcome, New York City. Yeah. And thank God we never had to use the Javitts, when the Javits during COVID for, like, dead bodies and stuff like that.

No, we have the bars. Then that would have been weird that they have a 40-40 in the same place where they housed dead bodies during the pandemic. We had L-de-Bart. Now it's a cruise ship. Yeah. Goes from here to Alaska. but I went to Fantastic Fest on the last day

Fantastic Fest Jesus Christ Fanatics Same shit, right? No, it's not They could have Dislexic motherfucker They could use some fantastic

Well, fantastic is a great They were using all the tables Yeah, that's a great cleanest Fantastic four It was a bunch of tables So yeah, of course A bunch of fanatics too Just went over y'all head

So I went to a fanatic fest Um Caz was speaking So went to go support my friend And then I stopped by the 4040 activation Which was cool For those that haven't been to the 4040, it was, they really recreated the entire thing in the Jabber Center. Yeah, I saw a bunch of clips online.

They definitely replicated it to a T almost. I thought it was actually the 4040 for real. I was, okay, that's pretty cool, but definitely had no desire to go. But it was, I mean, it was, it was cool. I can't say I'm like a convention guy per se. You did have to walk through everything to get to the 4040 spot. So, I mean, I did see the whole thing. And it was cool.

It was definitely family friendly until you got into the 4040 club. And then it was tequila and volume one raps. Party time. Yeah. Let's get it. The difference between the two was just hilarious. Watching like kids just want to go find some anime shit, just walking past loud rap music and people drinking way too much Duce and Tequila at 8 a.m.

Because it was during the day. Yeah, no. That's how you're supposed to party, though. Party at 8 a.m. Let's start drinking at 9. And then you had to get to the bathroom. It was like on the other side of the convention center. So you would just watch drunk people with a full.

glasses just cut through kids activations. It was interesting. But I had a lot, I had a lot of fun. Shout out to Rock. They did a really good job with the 40-40 thing. I don't know. Is this a rollout for something Hoves doing?

Or did he just feel like he wanted to do? They're open up. I believe they are opening another 40-40. Yes. Okay. Where is that going to be got? Not another. They're reopening the same one?

Yes. Technically, yes. They're reopening the same one. Like the one in the city? I don't think they're going to go for the same location, but the plan is, I think, in a year or so it's time to open the club. This is how out of the loop I am. Is the 40-40 on 25th in Broadway?

It's closed. It's been closed. Okay. For over a year. The last party they did there was like, I think the party that they do for like your birthday. Okay. Every year, I think that was one of the last parties.

Oh, wow. Damn, that's correct. It just shows how much I haven't been outside. I mean, I assume they were going to open one if they end up getting that Caesar's palace thing. Oh, it would be one there. But I don't know, man. I always liked the 40-40 club.

I do too. Does that make me? like a tourist, I always thought it was a cool spot. The 40-40 Club to me was always like a cooler version of like ESPN zone. Yeah, more or less. You know what I mean? When they closed the ESPN zone, that broke my heart. That was like my favorite little place to go watch games, fights, whatever.

So the 40-40 was that. It just, I think they just needed to be a bigger space though. You think? Honestly, yeah. I think they need. Because if it's going to, if you're going to have a sports bar, sports club, it needs to be a little big. Now, if you get a private room, then, you know, it doesn't. doesn't matter.

Which, I mean, we've done you and I have money a time. Why wouldn't we? That was our thing. Why wouldn't we? Why wouldn't we? Mad reasons why we wouldn't. But, yeah, now, they definitely need to open a new one because it is a good spot to go. You know, if you're in the city and a game or fight is on, it's a good spot to go to.

I wasn't the only one outside. I saw Damaris was out getting skin to skin. Skin to skin. She was doing some body rolls. Where was DeMaris? Damaris been outside for the last three months. You know where I haven't been, though? the pool.

That's why I haven't been. You were just at a pool. You was just at a pool showing ass. I just saw you. Well, that's where you did. Yeah, that was like a week. We didn't even know you was in New York. That shit looked like you was in Mexico somewhere.

That was Newark. Mall, you want to tell people how you let me down again? Like every other man in my life? I didn't let you down. You got to start relying on it. I didn't let you down. I did not let you down. How did I let you down?

Can we roll a clip, Julian, please? Oh. You know how you let me let me down. How did I let you down? And now I lost the fucking bet to Rory. you got me losing to white men. You betting white men. You're going to lose anyway.

You shouldn't bet white men. You know that. So I made a plan with Ma to link him and me and him are supposed to be getting the Cabana tomorrow. Cabana with Dan. Okay. Me and Roy are making a bet.

Maul doesn't notice. That if Maul doesn't notice, right? So that clears me of anything. No, no. You didn't know about the bet. So that clears me of this. No, you guys on Thursday afternoon discussed meeting up the next day

to go to the pool. Potentially. You guys even discussed Caban up prices. We didn't put nothing in. We didn't put nothing in ink. You're sick. And then I didn't put it in ink or did I say, yo, I'm a hit.

I'm going to hit so-and-so and try to see if I could get it. Plans with your friends in ink is crazy. No, but I'm just going to put that out there. Nothing was set, though. What are you talking about? Nothing was set. You did a contract to go hang out. Nothing was set.

We didn't set a time. We didn't set a place. Nothing. We discussed different locations. I said, yo, let me hit home me and see if we can get a cabana at that pool. But why does that matter, though, when before you even thought about that, we had other pools lined up. Okay.

if they couldn't do it, we could have went to other places. Yeah, but... Mad of them. So, Damaris, I could just tell, like, you can see, like, when a young child is starting to get their hopes up, like, dad's really going to pick them up that weekend.

And, like, you want to tell them, like, yo, your dad's a piece of shit. He's really not coming to the game. Like, you should just focus on the game. He's not going to be there. You still looking for those cigarettes. So I'm trying to tell Maris... When you were on the other side of the office,

and I went to Demaris, and I said, you know he's not Lincoln, right? He's not Lincoln. Like, don't put a deposit down on that cabana. Don't have Sorak bottles show up because mall's not going to be there. That's not true, though. It's not true. I hit homie.

He hit me back. He said his people wasn't there at Dumbo this weekend. I was like, all right, cool. And I woke up late. I woke up at like 1 o'clock and called DeMiras. So we had a... To be fair, we were supposed to be at the pool at 12.30. He called me at 1 o'clock to cancel.

I called her. I called her. As soon as I woke up, I called her. But you knew your ass had to wake up to talk to me. So why did you go to bed at 4 o'clock in the morning? That's just how the night went. Like sometimes you just look up in this 5 o'clock. You're like, damn, I got to go to sleep.

What were you doing? I was in the city. Okay. I went to, I went to go eat. And then we went by my boy's studio, smoking and shit chilling. And then I was like, yo, it's like 3.30. So you wasn't doing shit real? I mean, that was real.

It was really chilling. They signed the contract. He had to jail. I was really chilling. And then I was like, yo, I'm taking my ass back home. What type of studio was it? The record is to do you. Okay.

Maybe get the urge. I've never got it. You saw the recording equipment and just. I've never gotten. You didn't do a response to Rory? You didn't like channel a. No. There's no way you didn't see a microphone and at least think of a four.

I promise you. A two and a half. I promise you. Maybe I didn't finish it. I've seen plenty microphones in my life and never thought. I'm going there and lay some down. That thought hasn't never crossed my mind. Not one time.

I promise you that. I saw, I saw Lenny at the 40-40 thing and he put a camera. in my face and said rap and I was like, fuck, am I now one of those rappers that needs to have a 16 in the tuck? Yes. Like, I was on the spot. I felt like a fraud.

Like, I couldn't wrap the same. I couldn't wrap my hit single. You wasn't really living your rhyme. Bar for a bar. Yeah, like trying to get that off over the music at 4040 would have been. It's just not the same. It just don't hit the same as the parking lot. But finish this, because Damaris and I did have a bet about this entire thing.

Okay. And he said, no, I'm a link them. I didn't know you're not. If Maul links me, Rory has to do 25 pushups on cam. And if he doesn't link me, I have to do 25 pushups on cam. So, Ma, I'm putting my faith in you.

Please don't let me down. See? That's what you went wrong. You should have let me know that you made the bet. Let's do 100. That's how confident I am. I can't do 100. Imagine she took that 100.

So that mall. Do you want to spread this out? Like, how do you want to do it? 25 straight in the beginning. So I text them all. First thing in the morning. I text him. I'll do them for you.

I text him. I text him for you. I text him. And now it's Coach Carter. Yeah, I'm like, now it's Coach Carter. I'm like, what's up with the eyes? No response. Mind you, this was around 9 a.m. 10 a.m.

Mind you, we were supposed to be there 12th. Dead. First dub. So I'm like, all right. He was in a school. I go on Twitter and start talking shit about him. At 9? I was in the bed. I go on Twitter, start talking shit about him.

I'm like, yo, I'm exposed mall. If he flakes on me, I'm exposed him. Expose me for what? Right. Screenshots. What is exposing me? exposed. So then nine goals, ten goals,

11 goals, 12 goals. Mind you, I don't already expose him in a conversation that we'll get to later, but already on Twitter. I found that kind of funny though to backtrack. You did your exposing before he even had a chance to call you. You're like, y'am'm going to expose him if he don't call, but just to let you know, he thinks Drake is better than Mariah.

I was like, well, there goes the whole game. I think Drake is better than Mariah. No, I exposed. What I said was, I'm going to tell y'all the dumb shit, Ma'am say if he don't respond to me, I gave him an hour and a half to respond he didn't respond. Mm-hmm. So then I tweet it.

Then he calls me. The tweet has 500 retweets already. I sent him that video. He calls me Bonnet on smoking. Like, yo. Get the fuck off. I'm not going to lie. Bonnet, I'm smoking.

You ain't enough in a stoo. Like he was my baby mother. That's breakfast. You know, you got to wake up him. You'm saying? So how did this conversation go once you guys finally connected? No, I told him you was wild. I knew you was going to do this to me.

Like you all. always do. And I told Twitter to don't for this. Baby D sound like one of my, you know what I mean? I got to take out. Now I got to take you out. Because you think I ain't shit now. I can't do that. I'm not begging niggas for nothing no more in 2024. Yeah, but why you be giving me the energy that you'd be having for these other niggas though? Like, because that energy is not for me. You act like these

other niggas. No, I don't. How? Worse, actually. How? That's crazy. You set expectations and you don't meet them. That's crazy. What's the daughter saying blow to Boston George? Yo, I thought you couldn't live without your heart. Yeah. Left trying to go to California with a suitcase and everything.

They got schools in Cali, too. She brought a notebook. So that's the same here. It's the same type of thing. Okay. But what was you exposing on Twitter? The conversation that we had off Mike a couple days ago. Which should have been on Mike.

About what? Which we can have now. But I was kind of on that 50 mean of like, what you say fuck me for? How did I get dragons? Oh, no. People on my mentions like, Roy, your credibility shot. I was like, I didn't even know this was going to be. The crazy thing was they was just calling Maul Stupid,

but they always called Ma's stupid for his music takes. That's nothing new. What music take was stupid? They were like, Rory, you made an R&B album and you don't know Mariah. You're not familiar with Mariah's pen. Oh, they was on your ass.

Which I don't think it's crazy. I was very honest that obviously I'm familiar with her discography, but I never went and checked the credits. And I've never heard the rumblings that like Mariah was this writer. You know the artist that we know with the pen. Like it's within the world.

I've never heard. Who would you think of them? So could you name them? What artists do you know for a fact? are crazy with their pen that they're actually artists. Let's not do, let's not do rappers for the sake of it. Let's do R&B singers or pop singers. Adele.

Okay. Crazy with, are we talking like sort of current, more or less? You go to whatever, whenever. Victoria Monet, we know is crazy with the pen. Okay. If you want to go superstars. Taylor Swift would be one that we know is crazy with the pen. These are conversations that are had.

I've just never heard that I could be mistaken, which I was saying in that conversation. You made it sound like I walked in and was like, yo, Mariah can't write shit. I say, yo, I don't know. Inform me. Let me know. Because I don't know because I thought a lot of it was J.D. B. Cox. That's just what I assumed. But I could be wrong.

So Damaris says, Mara looked me dead in my face and told me Drake was a better songwriter than Mariah fucking carry. And I asked Rory for backup. And Rory says, I don't know. I'm not familiar with Mariah's pen. This is this shit I do it. I don't know why you think that's a crazy take. Mariah Carey writes one type of song. Drake writes one type of music.

That's also just not true. R&B and pop? What other type of music doesn't write right? So you just name two types of music. All right. So what other type of, because we know Drake does that as well. Okay.

He also writes rap. That's fine. He also writes house music. Oh, I mean, dance. Dance music. Don't call it house dance. Writing dance music doesn't require a crazy pen. It's dance music.

The majority of the time you're dancing. I don't like, it ain't like. That's not. What are you talking about? Okay. Okay, so dance music is known for having like crazy lyrics, like the lyrics and the wordplay. If you write a dope dance record, I'm just saying whether you, if you write a great dance album, if you're writing dance music and the album is great, that's a great, that's great. No matter what it is, no matter what the genre is.

I'm just saying Mariah Carey, we only know for R&B and pop. Drake writes rap records. He writes pop records. He writes R&B records. He writes dance records. Like, I don't know how you even think that saying that Mariah's pen is best. than Drake's. Drake writes more type of music than you write.

Because you write more type of music doesn't mean that you write better music. I'm still stuck on dance, not having good lyrics. I didn't say it. How deep is your love? Is it like the ocean to me is fucking poetic? I didn't. I didn't say it doesn't have. We found love.

Calvin Harris went nuts. Calvin Harris is a fucking genius. I'm just saying I don't know why you thought that was so crazy. I'm just saying Drake writes more types of different genres than Mariah. Okay, but that doesn't make it better songwriting. Okay, so let me just put it like this. And Drake is like the biggest artist probably like ever. So like.

Oh, okay. So if he's writing all of this music or a lot of this music, we obviously know he has records written by other people. But if he's writing a lot of this music and he's one of the biggest artists ever in the world, how could you think that your statement of Mariah's pen is better than Drake's holds any weight? A lot of people would say Drake doesn't write a lot of his music. that would be the response to what you're saying. I'm not even paying that attention because that's whatever.

Like I'm not that. I didn't even bring up that. I did find it funny the people in my mentions that are like, right on fucking right. And I'm like, only one of them has ghostwriting accusations. But I'm not going to bring that up because I do believe that Drake. But there's no.

But there's no. I do think that. In R&B and pop period. I do think that Drake writes his stuff. So I don't even think that's a valid argument. My point. And so the whole, let me just give some background on how,

because everybody's like, how did this even come to be an argument? I was sitting here. We were in Post Pro. Everybody was chilling. And I... Post Pro, pros, crazy. We were in what?

Post Pro. Man, we were just hanging out. It was directly after an episode. We were not just hanging out. All right. I'm on your side right now. Anyway. Big, big post pro crew.

So we were sitting here and I have breakdown, which is a song by Mariah Carey and Bone Thugs, stuck in my head. I kept humming it. So when I was listening to the lyrics that were in my head, I say, yo, Mariah Carey is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. And the reaction from everybody in the room was, of all time, quote, Maul.

Of all time, I said, yes, of all time. I'm standing on what I said. And he was like, she ain't a better songwriter than Drake. I don't, no, that's not what happened. I didn't not say that. I didn't not say that. I didn't know. You think I bought up Drake?

I didn't bring it up. I'm going to just say, she's not. I'm going to say to what you say, you say, yo, she's not a better song writing than Dr. I wouldn't even say that. First of all, I don't even talk about Drake as much as y'all make it seem like I do.

Anytime I talk about Drake, I'm responding to what y'all's saying. I wouldn't just say, yo, she's not a better songwriter than Drake. What are you talking about? I probably didn't even hear the statement you made, if we're being real. Admittedly, I walked in mid-conversation,

so I don't know how it started. Bro, I've never-back me up. I don't know. I'm telling you, I did not say that. Okay. That's why I don't even know about the tweet she's talking about. because that conversation wasn't even that heavy on my mind. I wouldn't say she's not a better songwriter than Drake.

I would never say that. Wait, so you would never. So you would never say that, right? In response to you saying it. Okay, but did you or did you not say that she wasn't a better songwriter than Drake? Did you or did you not say that? Further along in the conversation, but I'm not the one that said she's not a better songwriter than Drake.

I didn't bring Drake up in that conversation. What, you did say that Drake is a better songwriter than her. Absolutely. Okay, cool. Yeah. He writes different type of music. Mariah is R&B and pop. If Mariah was, if you tell me,

you know, Mariah wrote Bone Thugs first on that breakdown joint, I'd be like, God damn, now she's in a whole other category. But like, she only, she's writing R&B and pop records. Like, Drake is writing a bunch of different types of genres? So is your metric the number of genres

you can write for? Absolutely. If you could write for different types of genres and I'm only writing for R&B specifically or pop, of course you're a better song writer than me. You write, that's like if you're fucking, if you're directing a whole bunch of different type of genres and movies,

if I'm only directing horror films and you've directed comedies and fucking. Yeah, but what if those horror films are Oscar winning films and you're just doing a bunch of other movies? And I have Oscar women winning films as well. We're not talking about no, we're talking about Drake here. No. But it's a, it's a rare case

because there's not that many writers that write, rap, R&B, pop, and other genres. By your metric, you're saying. Like Dream being one of the greatest writers ever, Dream still really only writes R&B and pop. By your metrics, you're saying that Drake is a better songwriter than not only Mariah Carey, but The Dream, Jermaine DePree, B. Cox, you're saying that he's a better songwriter than all of those people, which I'm going to call it Warren, all of those people. Well, J.D. writes rap too, though.

Okay, so. That is a fact. So rap and R&B. J.D. is a better writer than Drake. J.D. is a better writer than Mariah Carey. J.D. might fight you on that. No, he won't. Okay.

You don't have any Cox number call him. That's what I really wanted to say when we was having that conversation, but I had some more to go after. Y'all are on speaking terms with the Brian Michael Cox. Yeah. Call him and ask him his opinion on that and see what he says. Call and ask the opinion between Drake and Mariah Carey as a pen-wise, because I'm not asking him if Mariah writes all her shit.

Because if she doesn't, he's going to be like, don't talk on a podcast about that. You keep, right, like, I don't think you understand that. what you're saying is, like, disrespectful to Mariah, and I keep trying to inform you that it is. What's disrespectful? Because Mariah's pin has been... Trust me.

I keep asking you, I'm ignorant. I don't know. And I keep... Mariah, first of all, both Beacocks and Jermaine Dupree have been quoted to saying that Mariah Carey is one of the best songwriters that they've ever come into contact with.

That's number one. Number two, she's in a songwriter's Hall of Fame. And when she went into the Songwriters Hall of Fame, the number one argument that people had was she should have been inducted in sooner and they said it was due to her being discredited because she was a woman. So when you keep saying like, this is a question, this is a question, it's not a question. Every single man she's ever co-wrote with came on there and said, yeah, we mainly produced

the music, but the lyrics are usually all Mariah. Great songwriter. I'm not arguing you on that. That's why I keep telling Roarie's like, well, I don't know if she writes. I don't know. And I'm like, I didn't say it as if I asked you a question. I've never looked at the credits. And I keep telling you yes.

Okay. You keep saying, well, B. Cox might say she doesn't write. He's not going to say that. Okay. With that information, if she wrote every last word of every single song, I still think Jermaine Dupree is a better writer than writer. I'm not blaming you for thinking that. That's fine.

Yeah, because it's not like every Mariah song is dope. Of course not. Yeah, so, I mean, just because you write everything don't mean like it's dope. But when I was on the phone with Demaris over the weekend, I was not familiar that she wrote all I want for Christmas is you. I just assumed that was a cover and she just has the best one. This is how unfamiliar I am with her pen. I didn't know that was a Mariah original.

All I want for Christmas? Yes. She might be her rendition. I think all I want for Christmas is a... I assumed it was a cover and she just had the best cover. I think she probably wrote her rendition of it. But that record might be an old holiday, a Christmas record, though. Best version for sure, but...

Yeah, come on. Vince Vaughn wrote that shit. Like, what are we doing here? A lot of the people that were bringing up Always Be My Baby and saying that J.D. wrote that and that's one of her biggest songs. And J.D. also came out and said

that he didn't write the lyrics on that. Mariah Carey did. He wrote the music and helped with melody. Okay. I just want, like, this was never supposed to be like a big thing. But when I realized that people really were not aware of these things.

She faced a $20 million lawsuit for that record, by the way. Did she win it or did she lose it? I'm assuming they settled because they... She makes $20 million every December, so does it matter? No, it's worth the suit, but I'm just saying, like, they were sued by... All I'm saying is this, and the reason why I brought that up, because I am familiar with Mariah's pen and the way that she puts intricately, intricately puts words together. And the words that she uses, they call Mariah the human dictionary because the words that she uses are words you don't even think of.

Like Christmas. She has a... I'm obviously having this conversation. That was fun. That was funny. No, have a ball. I'm not going to lie. That was funny like Christmas.

Should we do a lyric? Okay. Let's do a lyric breakdown on Christmas. Christ and mass. Do you get it? Oh, that's for me. Okay. Love order of food during the pod.

I ordered that before I got here. But do you think it's odd that I just didn't assume she was writing everything? And it's not even a gender thing. Usher, I don't just assume Usher's pen is over everything. I don't assume Beyonce's pen is over everything. Rihanna's pet, like pop stars in general, we don't typically think that they write like that.

It doesn't matter for pop stars if they write or not. Whatever makes the best music. But I also think Beyonce writes more than people give her credit for. For sure. Usher probably the same. I just never heard like Mariah when people were bringing up prints. Just her name never got brought up. So it's just my ignorance, I guess.

I love Mariah. Mariah a better songwriter than Prince to you? I won't give my opinion on that. Why? Because I just won't. Nah, see, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

I won't do that. I won't give my opinion on that. I'm asking you a direct question, baby, do you don't do that? Do you think Mariah carries a better songwriter than Prince? I won't give my opinion. You can infer that she says yes. You don't infer a fuck-ass thing. I can.

That's what an inference is. I'm making my own opinion. So you don't want to, why, but why won't you? speak to that? Why won't you answer that? Because I'm not familiar enough with Prince's discography as I am Mariah, so it would be unfair for me to make that value. So let's attack you then.

Because that's how I feel. I attacked you? Or did I keep trying to inform you and you weren't taking the information? I was just asking for more. That was all. And I was, and you were like, your sources trust me, bro. I'm like, no, that's not. I can start sending you sources, but you don't care about that. Yes, I do. If I'm a nerd. I'm a nerd. I love that type of shit.

If I tell you these sources exist, you should know me and trust me well enough to know that I know what I'm talking about. Especially if it's something that I'm going this hard for. That's why I even have the conversation because I do trust your music taste and your music knowledge. People like us typically have more sources.

That's why I was asking for them. Okay. I'll text them all to you. That's all. I just kind of want you to like answer that question if Prince is a better writer than Mariah. I already said that I'm not as familiar with Prince's discography as I am arised.

I'm not even as familiar with Prince's discography as I am Michaels. So. I mean, that's most. Yeah, I wasn't really raised on Prince like that. Is Mariah better songwriter than Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson? Yes. Michael Jackson. Yes. Okay.

It's well known that the majority of Michael's number one songs were written for him. He had input in them, yes. But I'm talking about Mariah goes in the studio by herself. JD says she only would like to write her lyrics around people. She straight writes by herself. And the words that she uses are absolutely, and the way that she strings them together is insane. I think because her voice is so high

and she makes pop music, people don't sit and listen to the things that she says, which, I mean, that happens, but... So before we get to Michael, we are doing the male vocalist draft the way we did for the female vocalist one on Patreon this week. Following week, should we do songwriters draft?

I think that would take a little bit more... I'm trying to go all the way nerd with it. I think it would take a little bit more prep and we got two weeks. Yeah, we got two weeks. Just off this search some songs Michael wrote for himself include Beat It, Billy Jean, black or white, dirty Diana, don't stop till you get enough, heal the world, and the way you make

me feel. Does he have any co-writers on those songs, Julian? I'm sure he has... I'm sure Mariah has co-writers on shit that she fully, for the most part, wrote. Like, co-writers exist. I don't lie, running off Michael's songs that he wrote his fucking, that's a cheat code, bro. Billy G. Beat it.

Like, are you kidding me? Look up the, um, the writers for Billy Jean. I just want to see if there's one co-writer or there's 10. Mariah has co-writers, too. We're not doing that. She's written with people, sure, but she's known to, like, you know what, okay. Okay, but also back in the day.

A songwriter, Michael Jackson. Yeah, but what? I mean. Billy Jean. Sometimes, you know. Mariah ain't got nothing as big as Billy Jean. Nothing. Billy Jean wiping that.

I don't know. all I want for Chris was might. Might be the only song that could compete with it out, man. Beat it. Have you been to Macy's? Man, they play Billy Jean all year long.

Well, that's nice to know. All year long, they play Billy Jean. I mean, according to Tang, Chris Brown's a better writer than Michael Jackson, and we can go there. Wait, what? We'll get there in one second. But I discredited to Michael a bit

when it came to his pen and writing music. Once I watched the documentary about, We Are the World, and Lionel Richie was, talking about like all the tapes and dats that Michael had in his house where he was just pretending to be instruments and like arranging

actual songs with his voice for Quincy to them play, I think we don't give Michael the credit he deserves as far as a writer. I agree. I don't think he gets... Because I think what Demeris said is what most people think. Like Mike is the greatest entertainment, but Quincy and Lionel were doing a lot of the actual writing.

I think a majority of people in the music world think that. even though I've been to that studio in L.A. And like, you can see Michael's like, they have it framed of, I think it's Billy Jean, actually, of him writing the actual. So you think a lot of people in the music business or people that are just fans of music don't know about Michael's film? I think a little bit of both. I'm so about the people that care about who writes. People that are writers.

The regular fan doesn't give a fuck. People that are writers know that Michael Jackson is a great, one of the greatest, if not the greatest songwriter. But he, the only thing that's discredited in his legacy, you know, outside. of that whole plot from those, those guys, was that he wasn't the writer. Yeah. That is, that is, I really worried. I believe he wrote more than people think he does. But that is a thing that Michael also like Beyonce, they say that they don't really write.

I want people to stop bringing up Michael Jackson's name whenever they talk about music. Well, no, Tank said Chris Brown is better in every category. Do we have that clip? Tank who I deem like one of, I revere Tank when it comes to anything music or be related. Tank is a fucking phenomenal artist, writer, a dope person. I like Tank. I fuck with Tank. But if Tank is saying that Chris Brown is a better writer and a better producer and is better vocally than Michael Jackson.

Well, Tank is, he's sadly mistaken. He was talking with Stephen A. Smith, right? I believe. And was suggesting that Chris Brown is the evolution. of everybody, whether it be Michael, him, genuine, like Chris is that. He's the evolution, which he made a great comparison. He said there's Magic Johnson and then there's LeBron James. That didn't tie it together for you? No. Not at all. I've never heard nobody compare to the which is cool. We all get behind a microphone or have an interview or talk with someone and say some

outlandish shit and as men, we need to walk back some of our statements. Tank did the opposite. He doubled down and explained his point further within the comments. On IG, he said vocal ability, Michael Jackson, Chris Brown. Chris takes it there. Writing ability. Chris Brown is better. Producing ability. Chris Brown is better.

Dancing ability. Chris Brown is better. The only thing that I would ever even have even argue about Chris Brown being better than Michael is dancing. Yeah, I think, I've had that, I've had that discussion. I feel like Chris is a better dancer than Mike. Chris is not a better entertainer. And Chris Brown has said this. He's spoken about this.

He's not a better entertainer than Mike. And I don't even know how we, in 2024, we're even having this conversation. But it's not, Michael Jackson, if Michael Jackson was in this era of social media where, you know, everything goes viral, performance. The shit, it wouldn't make any sense that anybody is that big of a star. You look at Michael's live performances now today. And I mean, it's not even just, he was biggined in life. You know what I mean? Like Chris is a great artist, great entertainer, you know, has great music.

I love Chris Brown. I think he's one of the best artists we've ever had. But we're talking about Michael Jackson. Like, this is not even. it's not even in the same, it's not even in the same world. It's like Michael Jackson is otherworldly when you're talking about entertainer and artists.

Well, I'm not here to advocate for the devil, I promise. Let's go through the categories. Maybe Tank has a point. No, he doesn't. Can we pull the, we've seen Michael Jackson dance before, Julie. Can we go back to the categories? Vocal ability.

You don't think it's a conversation between Michael Jackson and Chris Brown? No. You don't think Chris Brown is in the same conversation as Michael Jackson as a vocalist. No, he's not. No. I can go to when Michael Jackson was singing at six, seven years old, and everything he was singing is better than anything Chris Brown is son. At seven,

not the songs. Vocal, just straight up. At raw vocals. Yes. At seven, eight years old. No, I love, I'll be there too. So what are we talking about? Most of both of their careers.

You want to go to off the wall? Should I play off the wall, the album for you? I've heard of a boy. Just so you get, like vocals? Okay. it's not even close I'm gonna lean Michael too but I think there's an actual conversation

that someone could debate between Chris Brown of vocals No it is not Another person I think is underrated when it comes to vocals is Christopher Brown I don't think people give his fucking credit at all That keeps in the conversation with Michael Jackson When he comes to vocals That may be true but you can't say somebody is underrated

And then say there's a conversation that he may be better vocally than Michael Jackson If there's even a conversation that you may be a better vocalist then Michael Jackson, then you're not underrated as a vocalist. Okay, second category, and this is why I wanted to go through these. If we go by what you said with Drake v. Mariah, of somebody that had the ability to write in different genres, Chris Brown, by your standard, would be deemed the better writer than Michael Jackson. Chris has rap, straight up R&B, pop music, dance hall, Afro beats.

Chris has written everything and at a high level. So I see what Tank is saying, especially based of what you're saying, if someone has that vast of a pen where they can go in any genre and shine, I'm going to say Chris Brown might be a better writer than Michael Jackson. Not writing music, but writing lyrics. Hell nah. You sick as fuck. Producing ability, I didn't want to have that conversation. Michael Jackson. The only conversation we should be having is dancing.

Yeah, I agree. And I'm with you. I'm with tank on that. I think I think Chris Brown is a better dancing than Michael Jackson. I don't think Chris Brown is a better entertainer than Michael Jackson. But I think he's a better dancer. But I also think the twins are better dancers than Michael Jackson. Like dancing.

I don't think they're better entertainers. But to his point of evolution, I can see it in the dancing. Like I think Chris probably was more of evolution of Usher than he was of Michael. Like dancing just had to step up more and more from when the Jackson's were around. Yeah. So, you know, people weren't expecting Mike to do a backflip. We've seen the moonwalk. Like, Chris now has to do something.

No, that is the one thing that I always, I think, and I'm, you know, a huge Chris Brown fan. I'm one of the biggest Michael Jackson fans. That is the one thing that I will say Chris probably has over Mike is dancing. Entertainer, there's nobody that comes close. And this isn't, this isn't a slight to, I want to make this clear, this isn't a slight to Chris Brown. You ain't got to make that clear.

Just being in the same conversation as Mike is no slight. Exactly. Because this has happened with other debates that we have had where we debate, we, you know, compare to people when we say one is not better. And people get really offended. Like we're discrediting them. We're not discrediting. Listen, Chris has spoken on this. And he says, hell no, don't even put me in the same categories, Michael Jackson.

I mean, the real debate is vocal ability, Michael, Chris Brown, or Cuevo. Writing ability. Bye, Roy. I'm my bad y'all sound is sick as fuck I know you look at that clip every fucking week and be like yo

oh I was wrong because I knew the context we're not gonna have the cover it wasn't no what context no no we're not I'm trying to get no what context

tell me the context I don't have a context I was wrong the conversation was never even about music it was about notoriety at the time it had nothing to do with music

no matter what the fuck it was about Quabo is nothing nowhere near Chris Brown I don't know what context y'all talking about notoriety hot on fire socially street brand wearing I don't give a fuck what the fuck y'all was talking about

Quavo is never on any level with Chris Brown he wears rude better I don't give a fuck what he wear moving on do you think people ever had this conversation about Usher and who Usher and Chris Brown? We've had that conversation

but I just feel like people are like That's what's better conversation That's like I feel like niggas just skipped like a couple years and just went straight to Michael like like y'all y'all niggas better man listen but but again I love how Chris when he's spoke on it. He was like, don't even put me... Leave me alone. Yeah, like, don't even know.

Like, I'm nowhere near Michael Jackson. Like, what are y'all talking about? I'm trying to understand his basketball comparison. And I think I'm going to try to make one in defense of Chris Brown maybe being better as far as attributes, but not the better player. There's probably people that dribble better than LeBron, shoot better than LeBron, rebound. Statistic, you can see it.

But when it comes down to it, LeBron is a better score. He's a better player. His dribble is not better than people that are under him. Kyrie Irving. I'm not even saying different players with each attribute. I think there's probably a straight-up player that can dribble shoot, rebound, everything better than LeBron when you go through each stat the way they broke this now. But they are not a better player than LeBron James. It's not even close.

So I think that's what Tank was trying to get at. If you break down each attribute, if this was NBA Live and you're doing creative player, like Chris would have better stats. But he's not a better player. Like, just look at the discography. He would have better stats than who? Then Mike, if you're going to- Nobody has better stats than Mike. What are you talking about right now?

I mean, Tank broke it down. Man, niggas got a- Listen, bro. I love Tank, the niggas is trick. Drake got more number one hits to him, so. It's true. And what that mean? Yo, I'm just saying, you said stats. That's all.

Yeah, but this is a different. Streaming error. It's different. It's different. And you know that. You know that. Drake can't go on no stage and stand there for five minutes

and the bitch just start fainting. That's not happening. Well, I also think that a lot of that has to, and this is not shade to Michael. Y'all know how I feel about Michael. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that Drake is so accessible. I think if Drake wasn't as accessible,

I think that might be a different conversation. Accessible, shut up, Julian. Sorry. God damn you throw in. Accessible. Like, if he was like Michael in that, it's like, yeah, standing in front of Michael is insane because you can't do that anywhere.

I go the Turks to see Drake Houston Are you seeing what I'm saying Like the same way with Biont When the last time you watched a Michael Jackson performance Like a full performance Let me say some baby I used to go to sleep to Michael Jackson performances

I'm saying well what was the last time Maybe two weeks ago I was getting ready to one There's nobody There's nobody that ever will ever come close to it I'm not comparing them at all What I'm saying is when you Simply off when you said bitches aren't fain When they see Drake I think that's because of access

The same way that people might not fate when they see great. No, I'm talking about on stage. I'm not talking about, and I'm a no artists can just go on stage and stand in for five minutes and not say a single word and have people screaming to the top of their lungs and faint. Nobody. Beyonce might get your run for your money on that. Fuck screaming. She made a whole whole stadium get quiet. To me, that's tougher. I forgot, uh, I forgot what comedian it was. Um, said, yeah, can you make them laugh? But can you make them be quiet? That's when you're really talented at your craft. When you get,

get everybody to stop what the fuck they're doing and just listen. And then the people that were screaming, the people that were screaming during the mute challenge, other fans were swinging on them. That ain't hard to do to get everybody to show. Talking about on this level. Oh, I mean, yeah, I guess.

But Beyonce is one of those ones too that we put I think it was George Carlin. Close to that. But I also think that one of the reasons for that is the allure, the lack of access that you have to Beyonce. I think that is why. Yeah, that, no, adds to him.

One of Mike's biggest attributes was his mystique, his aura. Like that was one of his biggest attributes. But, you know, I mean, with that comes, you have to be a big star as well, though, to have that mystique around you. And not to make it a Drake thing, I do think we need to give him credit for adapting to the times. Like, he could have done the mystique thing, but that's not what's going on. I think Weekend might be the only artist I can really think of.

Frank. And the, Frank, too. in the modern era that like sort of held him. People that just kind of do stay off in the cut. And are still a pop star. It's tough. Yeah, but we can't just be throwing Frank Ocean name in the fucking hat. He ain't as big as none of these other artists we name it.

Outlining Coachella. Yeah. Cancelled it, but, you know. Y'all be making me sound like a hate on him. I don't care about none of these niggas enough to be a hater. You ain't about to fight with me about Chris Rock not being a listen and throw Frank Ocean in the conversation with Beyonce. I'm going to you off.

Frank is not in that. I'm not saying even though I prefer Frank over the weekend. I'm saying he's a big artist that uses that mystique successfully. Him in the weekend do a good job of that. To be honest, I don't know if Frank is super consistent and around. I don't know if that Coachella moment even makes sense to have him headline. Him headlining was the mystique we haven't seen Frank. And I'm not discrediting Frank's music.

But that was the whole why Coachella was like, we need Frank to headline. Holy shit. Frank Ocean is back. That was the mystique of the whole thing. But no, he's not in the same category even as Weekend, if we're talking. No. I prefer music over weekends, but...

No, I'm not putting Frank. It was just the mystique part. Weekend has done an amazing job of any pop star in this era to have the mystique shit and still... But he's still present. Like it is, he's like hidden, but he's always doing something.

Even Beyonce had to adapt. Yeah. Like most of her last, however many tours from on the run one is all like family footage. She has become super active on Instagram. Even Beyonce had to do it. Listen, man. So I can't discredit Drake for that when literally every pop star besides the weekend

has had to just be forward facing all the time. Taylor Swift is being shocked by a handoff at a chief's game. Every pop star has to be forward facing. I mean, I'm just saying whenever Mike went to different countries, they had the military escort that niggie. They do that with Beyonce. Military? Hell yeah.

Where Beyonce got a military escort at? I've never seen here. Giant Stadium. I didn't know that. Yeah, absolutely. I think they let Beyonce just, no, that's, they get the national vote. Well, I did say that she's probably one of the closest ones, but the military dog, when you land, you know what it costs to have the military? Like, the military.

Like, Mike was a, that nigga was not real, man. That shit is, that's why these. I love Tank, but saying that Chris Brown is... He was walling a little bit. It's okay to say our niggins is falling. Listen, I get it, man. And I love Chris Brown. Chris Brown's one of the most talented artists we've ever had.

But Michael Jackson is just a different type of fucking... Just leave Michael. Just let's stop saying Michael Jackson name. Let him rest in peace. Whenever y'all start talking about talented artists, let's just stop saying Michael Jackson's name. Nobody compared none of these people to Michael Jackson. Let these people be great on their own and in their own space. Michael Jackson is otherworldly.

He's like a planet that is just somewhere in the solar system and we just will never get there. Let's start naming their doctors. Let's start naming Mike's doctor, Prince's doctor, Kanye's doctor. They're therapists? None of them think they're therapy. They're physicians. Oh, okay.

The people that killed them. Yeah. I know you guys don't want to talk about that Kanye West Chris Brown shit, but it going viral was hilarious to me. Kanye West being in one oak screaming at people to download title and that he doesn't like fingers in his ass was quite possibly one of the funniest

retail stories I've ever heard. Chris Brown was on Tank's podcast talking about when he was at One Oak and Kanye took the mic from Yo Gotti doing down in the DM because that's all they wanted to hear at One Oak. They did not care about downloading title for $1299.

And then ending with the rant with you like, yo, I don't. I just let you know I don't like fingers on my hat. I know y'all wonder it. Yeah, just to let you know it's probably on your mind. I think he was off the gas, the laughing gas. Not at that time.

He wasn't laughing. That nigga was dead ass. He was dead serious. He had a message to get out. What if that was the night, Chinathe was a coach couldn't get in the club? That's kind of hard. Kicking knowledge in one oak?

Just like take the mic. Like you just, you just drop the entire club. You just don't give a fuck about anybody. That's such a selfish. It's the most selfish. We're not at one of your shows, right?

Yeah, like get the fuck out of here. I get it. One Oak has a lot of people in VIP that don't wait in line, but there are a lot of, like, people that wait. All week to just go to one-oh. I'm going to tell you like this.

Spend a lot of money. Wait in line, get there. They just want to party with their friends. They are just living a nine to five life. And this is something they look forward. Just imagine being fucked up and seeing Connie with him like. I'm like, oh shit, Kanye. Hight.

Like, yo. 45 minutes of nothing. I would tap mall. Like, do you think he'll do can't tell me nothing? No. I'm going to tell you like this. He did that at the right club. Because if he did that at one of them hood spots,

it would have been all kind of Hennessy bottles thrown at Kanye that night. He was going to get the fuck off the mic. No, you ain't here to hear that shit. I just paid. Why are they cheering? Why are they cheering? I just paid $350 for a bottle that cost $20.

Yeah. Turn some music on. No. I'm gonna let you know I don't like things. Or are you capping though, because if you were there at that moment, you would be sent up there like that was the greatest shit ever. For the first five, I'll even say 10 minutes. That's a long time.

10 minutes is a long fucking time. That first 10 minutes, yes. You would have Stan Rory going like, yo, this is wild. and like after this we're going to party with Kanye and be like, yo, let's just fuck with title. But put some music on. I don't know, man. I've seen Kanye do this at a show, like at one of his shows,

a live show. No, and it was like even at the show knowing it's his thing, it was like, oh my get next. Just play the fucking song. Yeah. Like this, I wouldn't even expect him to be performing. I'd just like, what is happening? Can we not let just end this shit?

He could have never did that indictment. Yo, imagine you was like, whispering sweet nothing's and see this one bitch you've been working on her all night you've been working on her all night DJ about to play some shit for you was right round that time you should try to head out of there early so that the paparazzi don't catch you and this nigga get on stay I'll do you want better you already caught a dub oh you got rhythm going and the music cut real quick it's cool I got get myself together maybe grab her a drink now I'm yelling over Kanye whispering her ear like you want to leave

bricked up dropping $70 for two shitty well well tequila and sodas you got Kanye just yapping there's one uh do you guys have any of those events you were about to go to but didn't go to and have like real fomo after yeah like one of those yeah there's a few few times yeah

the push a tea listening party when Kanye went on his loose off the gray goose rant I'm a little off the goose right now I was leaving Universal and like, I should go down. And you know what? I'm just going to go home. I'm not going to do that. That next morning, I was like, wait, I could have stood on a regular first floor with Kanye

while he screamed, I'm loose off the goose right now. The fact I missed this, I regretted it for weeks. Niggas be going through it, man. Off the goose? Nogues be going through it, man. You heard the crowd? Ooh. He didn't say a word.

You know, people are so stupid Rory, what liquor got you to lose us? Pause, pause, pause, pause. Yikes. Pause, what liquor got you to lose? This in our August-Falcina conversation. Probably Jose Cuervo Oh.

When I was like a teenager. It took me a really long time to even drink tequila again. I'm talking like not until I was in my late 20s that I could even smell tequila. I got a question for you guys. Ma' Mall, you probably haven't... Maybe does we do this? We does this for me. When's the last time you guys have the spins?

Oh, when you sit in there and you have ceiling look like a ceiling fan, but there ain't no ceiling fan? It's just a countdown until you throw up is really... You're literally grabbing your floor. Yeah. Alcohol only does that to me. Only alcohol. We just done that to me.

I took a gummy once and that shit, I felt like I was... I felt like someone dug a hole and buried me like six feet under the ground. And then the world was just rotating. It was the worst experience. That was weed. It was a sour patch.

kid weed gummy. Fucked me up. Would you drinking too, though? No, no. During the pandemic, I was hanging with this girl that I was seeing. She's like 90 pounds soaking wet. And she's popping these fucking like gummies and all the weed and shit. And I was like sour patch kids.

I'll try one. Yeah. Put me in a coma. I was so far. I was cooked for like two days. Yeah, alcohol is the only thing that makes shit spent. Yeah, alcohol makes some shit. Because I smoked a lot of weed in high school and I stopped in college because we got drug testing.

And then once I left, I was like, oh, let me try this weed thing again. And I was doing it with alcohol. You know those alien spaceships at amusement parks? That was me for like a week trying to get back on weed. I was literally on my floor. I hate that feeling. It bugs me out that weed does that to people. It's the mixture, not just weed.

Oh, no, no, I would never smoke and drink. That I'm not doing. Nah. If I'm smoking. You got to smoke drink and do Molly. Well, you ought to do Molly, then drink and then smoke to bring yourself down. I've never understood that. The people like got cross-faded.

You got to find the perfect balance. I was like, just do the one drug. Which one do you want? Like just, I don't know. It's like doing Coke and digging Xanax. Like,

which one do you want? Oh, God. What is that? I hate that. What the fuck is that? I don't get that. You could have just had a drink.

Yeah, I'm not, I never understood drinking, smoking, popping pills. Don't do that. You was three, three bean gang yesterday. That's a downer with an upper.

Oh, yeah. Stop. Yeah. It is. No. Yeah, it is. It's a downer with an upper.

So, all right, I had a fucking espresso martini. You had one. You had one pop. Drop a comment if that's crazy. What the fuck are we talking about? You're like, that's not a thing. Not the same thing. Like if you don't think it's crazy.

Retweet. How many did you have, Julian? Two. I don't know. So feel like you went home. See, that one makes me sick. And then I left the dinner, went to Pergola for five seconds and then went to bed. First of all, Rory, you used to be on Hennessy and Rebel.

Same thing. That's crazy. Listen, man. Now, tequila and Celsius to have you fucked up. Please, nobody tried that. I remember the last time I had a vodka rebel

and was at some shitty club. I think it was in Chicago. As I took a sip of it, I said, this is the last time I remember ordering this drink. It was the, those things are awful. People just be drinking anything.

When I got to Henny and Red Bull, I used to be like, yo, I cannot believe I used to drink cranberry and vodka. Like, that's insane. I'm on this Henny and Red Bull now. Look at you. Now I'm looking like,

all right, no, I just drink Casamigo straight. like Henny and Red Bulls. One day I'd be like, yo, you were drinking just straight up poison with ice. Well, that's the best way to do it. Uncut.

Yeah, no, cold poison is good. Especially if you're trying to like lose weight. Cold poison? Just straight tequila. Because tequila doesn't have a lot of calories. You just tequila and you just do soda water. Hmm. You're saying tequila soda for what?

Sickness? No, to lose weight. That's the New OZMPIC. That's an awful diet. Wait, so there's no food. That's the highlight room diet. No, you drink one of those. Coke.

You have to salt the rim with Coke if it's going to be a highlight. Do people do that? No. Fill your lungs with hookah smoke. You couldn't see people doing that at like certain parties? You never even thought about that. But instead of like salt around a rim, you would put coke.

What bar would just readily have a dipping tray for coke? Cigarettes is called a snowball when you dip the filter in a Coke. I thought it was a woo-woo. I thought it was called woo-w-w-bang. You can call it whatever. I mean, either. When I was a kid, Woolbanging was weed and Coke in the same blood. Same shit.

I just never had the desire to do any of that. Well, the cigarette one's kind of, because if it wasn't, it would like numb your gum. It was like kind of had a mentholi effect, except obviously far more powerful. But when I was kid to everyone put dust in cigarettes. That was the thing. That sounds awful. Just telling you what people did, man. No, I know.

I just never had that desire. It was never one of my desire. Just smoke dust? Never. No type of drug. I don't judge anyone that did it, but I, yeah, I mean... I'm judging you. Okay.

If you tell me you smoke dust, I'm judging you. Duss? Could use a rebrand. If you go through the amount of people that admitted to smoking dust, though, like Snoops talked about it. Beanie Simo has one of my favorite verses off that environment fluid.

I'm judging all of them niggas. Beans look like he was on dust at one point. Imagine getting punched by beans when he's on dust. That'd be the scariest human being on earth. Why? Why getting punched? Why would that be the scariest thing? You know how we talked about jackass every many episodes ago and how annoying that crew was of like cutting people's hair off camera? Watching that rock the mic tour, just being backstage in the fear of Beans just giving you a rib punch, like that whole tour, I'd be paranoid. Oh, you're talking about, what was that? Hard knock, light. Not Rock the mic.

Yeah, I was going to rock the mic. Beans was just running around backstage, just giving people rib punches. I mean, you know, that's part of being on tour. You got to play. No, no. As a being, you should be able to take that. Beans, you're strong and can fight. Don't punch me in the ribs, please. Yeah, no.

Fuck you, why not? Take this rib shot. No. So over this weekend, there was a little bit of rigamarole that was going on on Twitter between two of the women that are in this podcast and sphere between, Mandy made some comments on Mel's podcasting abilities. I know you guys don't care to get involved in women's drama, but it did beg the question.

I wanted to ask you guys, do you think it's fair that podcasters can critique other podcasters? Do you think that they should be able to do that being that they both have public platforms and that that's technically what they signed up for? Or do you think that all of us in media, not just podcasting, should keep our comments to ourselves? All we do is critique other people. Now we're just floating above everyone. We're not able to be critiqued. It's insane. There was a time that finally got exposed when all like the media. media blogs, like all those guys had a pact where they would expose everyone else, put all the mess on all their Instagrams and blogs, but they had a pact that if anything came amongst each other,

they would not post it. And to me, that was the weakest shit ever. Like, I get it, cool. You don't want your nasty business out there, but you do it to everyone else. So no one is above any of the shit. Yeah, we're allowed to be critiqued. Yes, we know what it's like for fans to falsely and negatively critique us, but that doesn't mean that other podcasts, we're all messy bitches at the end of the day. That's what the genre is. Let's just call it what it is. Oh yeah. This is definitely mean girls for sure. So yeah, no one's above a critique. You could disagree with a critique and that's fine. Or just ignore it and move on with your life. But to say podcasters, after we critique everybody, cannot be critiqued is the craziest fucking thing. If somebody says,

If a potter says I'm awful a podcast, then all right, cool, that's your opinion. All right, cool. You're allowed to say that. It's also funny. Like, I don't know. I just find humor in all of this shit. Like, I think all of this shit is funny.

I think people are taking themselves way too seriously. I think people take their jobs or their roles way too seriously. Like, at the end of the day, what are we talking about here? We're talking about sitting on the camera in front of a mic, like talking shit, having fun. Like, I just don't understand people just getting these. Like, you know, like, who was it? Dave Chappelle, one of the comedians said, like,

everybody's living their own movie in their head. Yeah. So it's like, whoever you are in your movie and your head, I'm not here to argue with that person. Like, I get it. But when it's on display is when I just laugh and I'm just like,

everybody is taking themselves way too seriously. I think a lot of stuff in the podcast. We just talk shit. That's it. The podcast world, I mean, us included, has been personal stuff that has ended up on podcast. So critiques come from like, real rooted personal issues.

And I honestly have no idea with Mel and Mandy. But that's where I think most of these things derive from. But if a podcaster just straight up wants to critique a podcaster, cool. Who cares? That's what we do here. Who gives a fuck? But speaking up to that code that you were talking about earlier between the radio hosts, is there?

Because you know, if a regular person goes and critiques, let's say me, right? if you're just a normal person, you're going to critique me, people say I'm an awful podcast all the time, whatever. But if a person with a platform that there's two, three degrees separation from my platform or one degree separation from my platform says that, then it's like people are going to pay attention to it. And it's kind of like you kind of expect it to be made into a bigger thing. So I mean-

Like drama. Anything that looks or feels or smells like drama, people run to it. Yeah. Even titling clips, they make it seem like it's beef and it's drama. Of course. People just love drama. People just love when it's somebody's going to curse somebody out or say something crazy about somebody.

It's just like. But to me that's not a podcast problem. That's a human problem. Like the news does that. Humans. Like we didn't, podcasting didn't invent like clickbait or crazy titles. Like they do,

they've been doing that on CNN for. No, I'm not blaming. I'm just saying people love that type of shit. For sure. We've been programmed to love it. Which is why people title things a certain way to make it seem like I've been a victim of that.

I read a clip and I'm like, what? Go right to it. I'm like, that ain't what this is, man. Like, it ain't no real beef here. Like, what the fuck is it? So it's just, you know, I get it. I just laugh at it, man. I'm just, I'm in that, I'm in that zone in life where I'm just,

I just laugh at shit. I'm gonna get off my long guy now. Well, I feel like you might have critiques about other people's podcast that you don't say out. He don't listen to a podcast. Or other people, other media outlets. I won't even just say podcasts. Other media outlets that you,

you might hear and you too and you guys kind of keep your thoughts to yourself you don't say them until i've given love and praise to these other podcast niggas and i've never listened to none of their shows that's a fact but you can see how you know they're moving successfully salute to doing your thing and being happy that's just how i am salute to whatever it is you got going on as long as you're not harming anyone salute do your fucking thing i don't i'm not like do whatever it is you think you you want to do and you you you good at yo do your thing fan And I don't, it's just people just get too caught up in themselves and make everything a personal issue. And why are you so invested in what other people got going on that you would have an issue with?

I just don't, a lot of the shit I try to figure out. And I just realized that people just, you know, that's just the type of shit that they like they're into. They're into drama. They're into bullshit. They're into, you know, nitpicking and having an issue all the time. And you just, you recognize that. And you understand. They're like, okay, it's not personal.

It's not me. This is what this person does. They find, they look at anybody and they find something that they can create an issue or have a problem with and they just maximize that. And sometimes issues result in views. Always issues result in views. Well, when you're dealing with somebody like that, I'm going to always lose that game because I'm not creating no issue and no beef for no views. I'm not doing that. So if there's somebody out there that is doing that and I'm on the other end, yo, you got, you won because I'm not doing that with you.

because that's just not what I do. You know what I'm so I'm not going to create a problem or a back and forth with something that's not, like, one worth it or even real. Like, I'm not going to create bullshit just for, yo, this shit might do 100K. Like, what? That's crazy to me.

But I understand the environment and the, you know, the ecosystem that we're in. People got bills to pay. Pay your bills, man. And I mean, I guess get it how you live. A guru put on his, story a few weeks ago, I'm paraphrasing. I don't have the exact quote, but he was pointing out that the biggest interviews right now are media people interviewing other media people. That's the biggest

thing right now. Media itself is now the celebrity of it all. Like the one-on-ones with media and used to be the artist was the thing. We look to media to talk to our favorite artist or our favorite person and conduct an interview where we could hear things that we've always wanted to hear. from somebody that we'd like. The biggest views now are media, interviewing media, talking about media. It's a very weird place that we've gotten to. So I totally get why conflict in back and forth

has become the norm. Because we're not talking about the very entertainment that we're in. No. We're here to discuss media. That's because shit ain't really that entertainment, no, entertaining anymore, to be honest. You said it's not that interesting. It ain't really, it ain't that much talent that's being centered or that's being entertained.

People don't really, when we talk about music shit or try to introduce people to new artists, when people always say that people are uplifting all these shitty artists. When we put attention on good artists, nobody really gives a fuck. People care about drama and lies like you guys have said before. So the media people are, no, they're not going to talk about the talent and the people that are creating the good stuff. No, they're going to get them what's going to get them clicks because clicks is what gets you paid. in there. That's why you have media talking to media about media. There's no need to talk about the talent anymore.

I used to love, like, in the early 2000s when, like, Twitter was going nuts. And they used to kill Ebro for not playing real hip hop or what was coming up on the radio. And he, every time somebody that was quote unquote real hip hop, whether it be push, action Bronson, Joey badass, he would then reply to everyone that was shitting on him for the year and said, now is your time to step up. You guys complain that no. No one's doing anything for real hip hop. Why don't you show up for these guys? Sales will come in the next week, and Ebro's point was proven.

I'm running a business over here. This is what people want to hear in the masses. You can scream that integrity shit over here. That's not what this business is anymore. Yeah. You could love integrity 20 years ago. That's gone. We're in the advertising business right now.

And this is what moves units. I'm at my job. This is what we do. You're saying I'm not supporting real hip hop. you go support it. Oh look, none of y'all did. So what the fuck are you yelling at me for? I would love to talk about straight up underground artists all day. This would tank. This would be done. I think we do a great job of balancing where we don't chase bullshit or become those guys that like really make issues out of nothing. But we also do play the game

to some extent. We have to. This is a business. I have a child. So you want to like beef right now? Hold on, sorry. So, man, anyone have to mail. I said, if all the women are beefing, we got to throw DeMaris in the mix. You got through the- Do you don't go to- Do you know?

Mm-hmm. Like, I just see him on the microphone now. I don't even under, like, why is that your name? You should be Alex microphone. Me. Alex. Alex microphone is fucking hilarious.

Like, when's the last time he media? Yeah, he don't media. He don't media at all. You sleep and I'm Alex. Like, Alex don't own studios. Don't come from Definitely does. Me don't.

What? Media, me don't. Wow, that was really fucking bad. Like, that was bad. Too many espresso martinis. See, look, your critique in a media person.

Fuck you guys. You're a part of the problem. Yo. I am a part of the problem. I agree with that. Oh, we all are definitely a part of the problem. And I do want to make this question.

Have any podcasters critiqued you guys? There was one time, I think, someone, I don't, this is the thing. When I say this, I really mean, I don't listen to any of these hip pop pop. I don't care about this like that, those pods and shit, but not on a disrespectful tip. Like even Danny, I respect Danny, but I stop listening to his video because it's like, it's too much.

It's too much fodder. But there was at one point, who is it? It was like something Flip said about me and Imani said something. Manny said something and then Danny made a video about it and then he tried to get us to go back and forth and I was like I don't and then he man he was like I have what is even happening this isn't even a thing but that that's usually the case with the whole thing you know what I mean like fan base is going back and forth like yo I got no issue with him but the only time I heard someone say my name was when he manny made like a comment to a video he saw on danie's channel and he was

like I don't know where you got this from I don't feel that way about julia I don't even know him and my response watching videos like I don't know him like I'm glad he's said this because like this is this could have been ridiculous I never would have responded but I'm happy he responded the way he did. They don't say about me. Because it's ridiculous. Like going to happen regardless. They're going to try to make issues for no reason. You're some of direct. The man to

mail shit was interesting. I mean, I don't want to say I respect it because it's really not that serious but I mean, somebody was very direct in what they had to say as far as critique. Some things to your point when you're saying there's podcasts I dislike but I

don't see the point in running to a microphone to just spread negativity. Like, you're a trap. I hate your podcast. Like, I just don't. Just don't. I just don't care to say that. I may feel it,

but I just don't care to say it. Yeah. And just don't listen. It's a weird mentality to have of everything negative that you think needs to be heard by everybody. When you got to listen to something you enjoy, that's always my thing.

Like, I've been off Reddit all year. But every time, every time you guys send you something. Second time you've gotten clean. Yeah. For real. Shit.

Coke was easier to kick than a bullshit. But it's like every time someone passes me an article, like I see a post, it's like so mean. And hang, I'm like, why do you guys spend so much time listening to something you actively hate? Because people hate themselves. But like even the- Take your time, pass. The psychology behind it.

Yeah, fine. Maybe you just want something to distract yourself from the failures in your life. I guess that may be true. But like, wouldn't you rather fill that time with something you actually enjoy? I mean, am I crazy? They take it to another level. I listen to stuff that. I listen to people that I disagree with

because I do like to hear other sides and I think there is value in a show where you don't like a certain person on that show because there's good banter back and forth. It's good to have someone that you disagree with in the entertainment that you watch. They just take it to another level where they're watching, they're hate watching.

Yeah. Like they're listening to just then go comment how much they do. I go to listen to stuff of people I disagree with and sometimes they annoy me in the conversation but that I never like Skip Bayliss. I'm not even faulting. But I watch Skip Bayless non-fucking stop

because he has great conversation that I fucking disagree with. He annoys me. Colin Coward, I think he's phenomenal at his job. Dislike him, but watch him non-stop. Yeah, I'm not even faulting hate watch or watching something you dislike.

I'm more so talking to the people that then log into an account. Yes. When I watch Colin Coward, I don't go on Reddit. Paragraphs about something that you just don't let. hate listen in peace and then just like go about your day that's always my approach it's like to feel the effort to feel so empowered and emboldened enough to make a post about it and just drag this whole thing it's like okay maybe mall's right

about what just these people just fucking hate themselves they do you can't tell when somebody got a dirty ass crib yeah I could tell when people got dirty houses when they the way they talk to me online I'm like oh you your house stink I know you wash your sheets in three weeks I get it I would be angry, too, if my bed stink, like, I would be talking to me the same way. Pillow, ooh, pillow just, mm. I get to a point, you get to a point when you just understand people and why they are wired the way they are, and you don't take it personal. What's funny is, and to have, like, a human vulnerable moment, I think, like, the brokest I've ever been, I was probably, like, the nicest.

Like, I didn't have those types of things. But you white, Roy, it's different when you broke in your way. That's true. You know you ain't going to be broke for long. You know it's only a matter of time. My trust fund kicked in at 21. Being white and being broke is like waiting at the bus stop. You know the bus is coming.

My dad was the judge. You know the bus is coming. You know the bus is coming. You knew that 3% was going to kick him one day. It's coming. Worst case, I'll kill my mom, get the life insurance money. Like, duh. Yeah.

Being black and being broke is like being at going to the airport with no ticket. You're not getting on no flight. It's not happening. It's not happening. That was the magic Johnson-Lebron. I'm just saying it's not happening. When you black and broke, it's just not happening. Get the fuck out.

Okay. Agreed. I wasn't here to have the race off. Yes, it's different being poor and white and poor and black. I was just saying that I was probably had the least amount of hate in my heart when I was broke as fuck. Like, I was focused on just making a better life from myself. Once I got a little more comfortable, I started, I had the leisure to look at things and go, ugh. Yeah.

You can frond at things now. Like, you do that? That's what y'all be doing? Ugh. Yeah. Hasn't. So that's why I don't really fully understand the like, if people are in bad situations, they just take it out on people on the internet.

Yeah. I mean, it's easy to do that. I did that when I was comfortable. But it's easy to have me in an uncomfortable living space and have a lot of bad shit going on in your home or relationships, work, whatever, and picking up your phone and just seeing somebody say something online and just get into it with them. That's the easiest thing in the world.

When I open up my draw with silverware, and has the soy sauce packets and roaches run everywhere, the least thing I'm thinking of is Reddit. Oh yeah, no, I feel you. I get it. No, that's all right. I'm not here to hate. I'm sitting here like,

I ain't get the fuck out of here. But that's why you are successful because you've always had that mentality. Like, I got to get the fuck out of here. He wasn't hating. You wasn't paying attention to what somebody else had going on. You focused on yourself.

You figured out a way. You figured out a plan. You figured out what you like, your passions. I was sitting like, and you effectively work towards that shit. A lot of things. these niggins. They do that.

I just know these people aren't having sex. Like I just, I really look, no, there's no way. There's no way that you're having sex with, like, humans and you're doing all this online.

Like when, for example, there's a bunch, like men will go online and give me a compliment and there will always be 50 men that have to comment and say, she's never going to fuck you.

Ah, she's a four in a warehouse. And they do all that shit. And it's like, yo, men, they drag it. They say, I'm a four in a warehouse setting.

So, like, even within the realm, of the most basic bitches, I'm still a basic bitch. Oh, okay. Yeah, foreigner warehouse is a saying. Okay. But my thing is always like, men who like actually date these women that they put on so high of a pedestal are not online critiquing women, like women in their looks.

You want to critique what I say. That's fine. But you're on here whenever somebody compliments me, you're commenting and talking shit about my compliment. That's weird. That lets me let you fuck squirrels. Like, you're not fucking human women. Fucking the squirrel is wild.

How you catch that? that's impressive I've got to catch a squirrel Why are you on Reddit Who the fucking catch a squirrel? They need to put you in the circus You have a career here Yeah that's fucking wow

Like it's just I don't know It's just you have to You have to always take account Of who the critique is coming from Okay but let me give them some bail Because I feel like In the entertainment worlds

Men are super gossipy And they fuck a lot of bitches And still act that way I just think men Are a word we can't say Thanks Beach Oh. It's the way the camera just switched immediately.

So I don't think it's a circumstance thing. I think it's a person thing. Yeah. Like money doesn't change you. It makes you more of who you already are, which is obviously my quote. And you saying they don't get bitches and fuck squirrels is no better than them calling you a warehouse for. Like, you're doing the same thing they do.

I'm attacking the people that already attacked me. When I'm sitting here minding my business and somebody gives me a compliment and you feel the need to go underneath the compliment and say, nah, that bitch trash. That's, those are not normal people. You ever like, do you do that? No, I just, I just don't care. I really just don't care.

It's not about, okay, but it's not about caring where it's talking about people who give critiques and the type of people that they are. Yeah, but I'm saying that the, the, the, the, the, you by in turn, just going back and insulting them at the same level is no better than what they did to you in the first place. No, he didn't eat, but, he's, no, like them calling you a four. I get what Michelle Obama said, was like, that's the same. You gotta go to hell.

Sometimes you don't go high. I mean, ignore the internet, but... Ignore the internet, yeah, but if you... To your original point, podcasters are not really saying how they feel about other podcasts. No. Myself included, because for what? For what? I'm just gonna get on this mic and say,

yo, I think your shit's trash now. You're falling off. I don't care. I only listen to comedy podcasts. That goes back to my original... I don't care enough about what none of these niggas is doing to ever critique them and be like, oh, this niggas trash. Nor do I want. to see anyone fail. Like I may have did that at one point.

Today now, I don't care what none of y'all are doing. Do whatever you want to do. Be great. Have fun. Good luck. That's all I got for. Just be demure. Be what?

Demir. Like the person? Like, what does that person do? You guys haven't heard of the... Demir handles the best way. I want to ask them a question before we get into the top. It's the... This is the word of the summer.

you thought not like us was big that's a technically a sentence it's not a song it's just demure but I was gonna ask you guys if you were to when you hear the word demure how would you define it

I know a couple of demares okay a name I'm looking at one is demure Creole for de Maris when you hear the word Demer's like

it's like classy right classy did Mariah Carey use it in the writing in the right yeah I'm sure she used demire Ashley, mindful.

Hey, okay, TikTok. Cutsi. Like, very like... Cutsy? That shit with your chest. Cutsy? You did good on your region. The mirror is like dainty.

It's supposed to be like dainty, feminine, soft, put together. Yeah. Modest. It's typically a term used for a woman. But anyway, this is the original video that now has well over 20 million views and has changed this woman's life.

soon to be a man, by the way. But we can play. This is the original video. You see how I do my makeup for work? Very demure. Very mindful. I don't come to work with a green cut crease. Don't look like a clown when I go to work.

I don't do too much. I'm very mindful while I'm at work. See how I look very presentable? The way I came to the interview is the way I go to the job. A lot of you girls go to the interview looking like March Simpson and go to the job looking like Patty and Selma. Not demure. I'm very modest.

I'm very mindful. You see my shirt? Only a little chichi out. Not my cho cho. Be mindful of why they hired you. Here's your reality check. Proficient like so. What's the name you'd like me to make it out to?

Okay. This finally summed up what I've been trying to say. These teachers need to be more demure. I was looking for the, I couldn't explain myself. Finally, I found it. Oh my God. These teachers not demiering enough. Yeah, but if you, if you're, if you're,

stop saying it like my name. Demiour. Demiure. Demure. demure. But if you're curvy, the mirror. No matter what you're wearing,

you're going to see curves. She just said she didn't have the hoochahs, only the Tata's out. Yeah, very, very little cleavage showing, very little. She was drinking Matas with Tata going to the interview.

But if you have curves, no matter what you're wearing, you're going to see the curve. Well, demire them shits. Yeah, but I'm just saying, even if you put on the right thing, it's still going to show like, oh, she has a nice,

you can tell she has a nice shape. So this is really like a thing? Everyone's using this word? The biggest thing, yeah. Is this the new fleek? Oh yeah Way bigger It's not way bigger

In Fleck Yes No it's not Leak was added to the dictionary Wasn't this already In the dictionary? Yes Yeah but she ate

Okay She did But it's not bigger In Fleek Nothing is bigger than On Neat Shorty got in her car And just described Her eyebrows

As a word We never heard And then it went In Webster Who is we You had heard Fleak before that Oh I thought

She was on Demir No I had never Heard on Fleak before That was She changed She changed That's a different Type of hipster

If you think you You heard Fleck before That woman went And said Oh I've been on Fleeke. Eyebrows on flea.

You guys just hearing that? Oh my God. LeBron posted a video about Demir. It's not just women. Well, LeBron came up with it, right? He's going to trademark it. Yeah. LeBron was the first Demer nigga in history.

Remember when he got up from that press conference to grab his bag? He's from DeMere, Ohio, I believe. That was very... Sassy. That doesn't mean sassy. No, it was mindful. The way he walked, he grabbed his bag.

He made sure his bag didn't hit nobody on the walkout, right? Mm-hmm. Very mindful, very... You know what I'm saying? Classy. Yeah, Braun. Is this the same, well, they, you're saying she's... I don't... Is this the same one that goes on those, like, weirdo podcast where it's like a bunch of

feminine men that scream at women that are 20 years old? I think you're confusing her with someone else because they know who you're talking about. I know who you're talking about. That's not her. That's funny that you know about her, though. I can't think of her name, but that's funny that you know about her. I mean, those clips went super viral. Yeah, no, that's not her. She did be eating them up, but that's not her. It's just a TikTok, a TikTok, the sound went super, super viral. It's very interesting to me to watch people

like jump on this trend and use it for advertising. Like literally I just was on Facebook and I saw a Dunkin' Donuts ad of just a plain glazed donut that said very demure and that was just the advertising. And I love when companies can keep up with stuff like that, like so immediate. I think that that's so smart and yeah.

If we make my mall diss a sound on TikTok, would you do, would you redo the verse? That's not how that works. How's it work? Do you think someone's going to recite your entire disc to Mall? Not just like the beginning coffee pot part. And like, Damaris could set it off. Yeah, like imagine anyone walking into whatever they're about to do and saying that with my sound.

That viral weatherman? I'm trying to market right now. The viral weather man is fun. Calm before the storm right here. That would actually, oh, you're marketing. That would be tight. Yeah. You told me to do it.

Me doing it is not like the same. You got to use it in a different aspect. Isn't that how sounds work? You take someone else's sound and then you like. Yes. Oh, her name is Jules LeBron. I was like, where to fuck the video of LeBron doing this shit? Wait, that's how LeBron got added into this?

She's misinformation. Wait, I never knew her name. She said this change of life. This is cool. I mean, this is like a crazy scenario. Is it that cool? Well, it is. Now it's over 30 million views.

I mean, she's saying now she can fund her transition surgery after this viral trend. I'm sure that's alleviated a lot of stress from her life. Great. From LeBron's life. I just...

We got voice metal, man. I can't even laugh. No, I think it's great that she met her goal. Me too, but I'm just laughing at it. It's cool. Yeah. How do you feel about August Alcena before we get out of here?

What happened with August now? Can we get the voicemails, Please, Jesus. What happened with August Alcinia? He's fluent. Fluent? What?

French? Fluent. What is he fluent? Oh, fluid. Oh, he's fluid. He's like, well, Bruce Lee said. He's water. Oh, my Lord.

What do you mean he's fluid, though? Like, his, is, like, gender? His sexuality. He loves a man. We knew that already. Oh, we didn't. We knew he was gay, yeah. He did come on and say that he was.

He didn't come out and said that he was gay. He's come out and said a lot of shit. So, like, because I didn't. didn't, I missed the gay one. He crucified himself and then fucked Jada. Sorry I missed the gay memo. Do y'all remember, um, do y'all remember Empire when, uh, when Meatball Sandwich Dude came out and sung the song and he changed the lyrics? Like, this is the type of song that make a man love a man. And like, who said that? Meatball sub. A Jesse, juicy, juicy. Yo, juicy. Somalia. Yes. And it was the song. You're calling him Meatball sub.

I was trying to think of like a fat person Like who's meatball? I could not think I'm not being disrespectful to Was it ever confirmed which type of sub he had? No. It was meatball? He said he went to get a salad. No.

I studied the case. I'm not making this up. It's not like a joke. I swear to, he said he went to go get a salad. No. I studied the case is the funniest shit. Rory, but you can't read. So you might have read sandwich and thought it was sad.

No, I listened to him saying, I call him ass like, do you want something? I'm going to get a salad. because nothing was open. This guy had a sandwich in his hand. It's always been sandwich. It was never a salad. It was never a salad. I'm telling you guys, he said he was going to get a salad.

If he left with a sandwich, he lied a couple times. I'm just telling you, in an interview, he said he was going to Subway to get a salad. Well, they were out of salad. And he got a meatball salad. Oh, my God. I remember the fucking internet killed me when I spoke out about that shit. I mean.

You said it was bullshit from the jump, right? The first time I heard this story, I knew it was bullshit. Like, are you kidding me? I was so scared to, like, say anything that first day. I'm like, bro, you got jumped. This doesn't even make sense. You got jumped hit with bleaching and the sandwich made it home? Stop the bullshit, man.

My sandwich would have made it home. Your sandwich, if you get jumped and get hit with bottles of bleach, your sandwich ain't making it home. It's not happening. You ain't that hungry. Try me. Jump me when I walk outside. Jump you?

You're going to be like with my sandwich at? That shit over there. No, I've been jumped before, and after they left, I went to gather my things. Yeah. I went to gather my thing. You went to gather your phone. You went to get your phone. You went to get your phone.

If your sandwich hit the floor, you're not picking that sandwich up and taking it home. I did not have a self-law. Yeah, here's the quote. So it was always a sandwich. He comes back and gets attacked in a hate crime, supposedly a hate crime. During the scuffle, they pour bleach on him. And all the while, he goes back into his apartment building with the sandwich in his hand. That doesn't happen.

It does not happen. And they killed me for Sam. I'm like, bro, this is not real. Cut this shit. We're going to watch the gale tape shit. The sandwich wasn't like dented or like ripped open. But I got jumped in a noose around my neck and bleach poured on me. But the sandwich is fine.

If it was a sandwich from like maybe the deli, but I'm not going that hard over a subway sandwich. That's crazy. I would have dropped it. The police, the quote from the former Chicago Police Superintendent said the sandwich was a big part in realizing that this whole thing. Duh, anybody with a fucking brain knows that. Like, what are you talking?

Like, this sandwich is fine? But you got a noose around your neck? What are we talking about here? Like, cut the shit, man. Not that I believe police, but going through that documentary when they interview one of the cops, he basically was like, we walked in and was like, nah. It's not, stop wasting my fucking time. Also, it's sick that he left the noose on his neck.

He had to show the cops for evidence, man. Yeah. Leave with the evidence around your neck. Walk home. That's an insane. He walk around your own apartment with a noose on your neck. Why doesn't he get the Innovator Award from Hollywood unlocked? He was resilient.

Innovator of perseverance. Did he eat the sub? He was eating while the cops was interviewing him. I was hungry. You know, after you get your ass beat your hungry. That's a great subway at. You know, after you get your ass. A hate crime and all you're craving is meatballs.

If you got your ass beat, you hungry. You ever got what by your mom and you're crying? That didn't be fired at it. night, right? That's spaghetti on the stuff. What? That should be fired. After that whole Jared shit, the best marketing would just to be hired, Jussie, as

the face of subway. I would start going just off GP. If you were watching your TV and Jesse showed up and was like, yo, Subway. I ain't gonna lie. Eating Subways living in New York is just crazy. Crazy. I don't understand. Absolutely. I don't even get how it is here. I don't understand how it survives New York City.

Like, that is the craziest shit in the world of me. We got the best delis. the best fucking bodegas that makes sense and Subway is thriving. Well, you have a lot of people in New York who are not from New York and they're used to shitty sandwiches. So Subway.

Yeah, but if you're in New York now, let me assure you that you can get some of the best sandwiches. Stop eating Subway. Subway just, in terms of like the public zeit guys, Subways just had some shitty luck between Jossie and Jared. They can't catch a fucking break.

Yeah. They put their whole, they put the house on pedophile. House. They put the house money. Still thriving. Still thriving. Find out how much so we made last year.

Oh, this year so far. Still thriving. Mind you, they still advertising them $5 footlongs. That's $10. I just don't. You saw they did like a $5 cookie? I mean, a five foot long cookie.

I will say that the subway cookies, the subway cookies are great. Different. The raspberry cheesecake, the white chocolate macadamia nut, the oatmeal raisin, crazy. Some of the best cookies I've ever had were from Subway. Insane.

Well, I mean, Jesus Christ. In 2022, they gross 9.1.8 billion. That's fucking crazy. Look up with Blimpies gross. Who played the game right, was Tinto's integrity. Madele-a-old. Did everything right. Blimpys. Let you pour your own oil and

vinegar on the sandwich. Do Quiznos still exist? Quiznos. That's a good question. You guys never saw this when Subway was pushing the footlong cookie? Oh, I would buy that. that does kind of look fire. Because imagine if you make it, you cut it in half and you get ice cream and you make it a ice cream sandwich. Don't even cut in a half.

Use it and create a banana split in the boat of the cookie in the groove. This real big back shit. Y'all are some big back niggas, man. This real big back shit, baby. You niggas broke down two different fucking desserts. I can't eat dairy. I told y'all it wasn't me. It was the pizza.

Rory had to shit up his back too. Yeah, it did happen. Oh, really? I had a couple of times. I had a rough Friday because of that pizza. Actually, no. You had a rough Friday. Oh, you said that you didn't tell us a story about a gay guy hitting on you.

Kiyo Ma. He didn't tell us a story. That wasn't on Friday. It's another story he ain't tell y'all as well. So Thursday, I'm walking from the building to the train to come down here. And this guy starts walking alongside me. And there's a lot of crackheads in that area. So it's not weird for just some guy to start walking.

He just threw a dial on the ground behind. You like, here you go? No, listen. keep my money. Prayers to everybody involved. I get it. And he said, yo, can I take you out?

Like, I can hear him because I don't keep my noise cancellations on in the city. I got to be able to hear what's going on. Yeah. Say, yo, can I take you out? Straight up. Got right to it. And I looked and I laughed and I just kept walking

and he was persistent. And I'm a fast walker. He kept up with a pace and was like maybe another time. Like, you're just not free today. Like, can I take you to dinner? I'm like, no, man. Leave me the fuck alone.

Were you smiling like that? Yes. Okay. Because he was attractive. Like he wasn't like a slouch. I was actually kind of like felt a little eye about myself. I felt like I was a little bummy too. I was like, oh, this is just like me and my regular.

Not in laundry day. Yeah, like. I sweatpants hair tight, chill with no makeup on. Look at them all. So he was bad. He's very persistent. While I'm now just looking at my phone and walking like, all right, we had a light. That's how long.

And this nigga was blushing, man. Yeah, sometimes. He was blushing. Sometimes you need to like hear that you're pretty. Roy to find chapstick. I mean, they say when gays compliment you, that's like the real compliment. It is hyper. Who said that?

A lot of people, if a gay man compliments you as a man, like, you know you that. Like, you fine. That is a thing. By the way. More mad ain't no gayest hitting I am. You never. I'm mad because a nigga ain't hitting on me. The man, shut the fuck up.

Go ahead. You're not a baddie. It gets better because like once he was. assistant, I was like, nah, he started joking. Like, and he was, he was pretty funny. He rizzed you? Like, I started, I was like, all right, man, maybe we just do lunch. And I was like, nah, I'm about like, please leave me alone.

And he goes, it's because I'm black, right? And I said, yeah. And then he walked into city MD. You ain't tell them, no, he dapped you up in the other story you told us. You dapped him up? That was a hug. It was like a dapped. We exchanged numbers.

I got to see his results I was gonna say you gotta get his screen panel if he's clean then yeah Because nobody walks in that city MD for real health You might catch something That's for STDs and SVD's only You might catch something walking in that city MD Touch the doorknob, you got it now

But you guys laughed at me on Thursday Like I felt good about myself This attractive He looked like he had a lot going on for himself He was young too definitely younger than me Like a nice 25 year old gay man You're really pulling him Damn you try to a twink tried to scoop you

Yeah But I ain't know you ain't like He scooped. You didn't shut him down, though. No, I said no from the beginning. Nah, you ain't shut them down. He just started to talk me into it. Yeah, but you ain't, you didn't, you didn't once say I'm not gay.

If that block was, if that walk was longer, he might have got him. All I kept saying was no in the real story. Yeah, but why you didn't just say, I'm not gay? He was too persistent. Hold on. That wouldn't stop him. He was persistent because he thought you was gay. Did he have a lot?

If he was straight, he was the type that if a girl said, yo, I got a boyfriend. He would say, oh, they don't let you have friends. Like, he was on that type of person. If you say, yo, I'm not gay, what you thought he would have said? I'll turn you out. Yet. Y'all was going to say that. Yeah.

His wrist was crazy. Yet is crazy. If a nigga hitting on me, I'm like, yo, fam, I'm not gay. He'd be like, yet. Like, now we got to fight. Like, now you ain't sleep yet. Like, now you ain't knocked out yet. Fuck you mean, yet.

No, Roy, I'm asking what he looked like because I had that same experience with somebody who was obviously a listener of this podcast. And I kept walking. Huh? I mean, in Manhattan, must have been the same guy, right? Were you near the studio at all? No, I was on 40 seconds. Okay, okay. I'm sorry, I didn't hear that part. Then no. But he did that to me. Like, he, like, he walked with me. And I was like, hey. And he like kept walking. So I'm like, oh, maybe that was the same, same guy. Because maybe he didn't, the part purpose was, maybe he wasn't gay. Maybe he was gay. Maybe he was gay. How did you come up with that? Like, maybe he wasn't. He didn't say, I'm trying to, I'm trying to suck your dick. He said, yo, can I take you for drinks? I mean, it's implied. He said dinner.

Okay, dinner. Yeah, I'm not a drink girl. Like, you have to take me out. Let's not. Drinks are great. It takes a little bit more with me. You go with random men to go drink? No, no, I'm saying in my dating scenario, I would get drinks with a girl.

Okay, yes. But you're, because you're assuming the girl. No, but I was more critiquing him saying he's worth the food, not just the drinks. When I'm saying, drinks are fine. Drinks are great. I was just confused because I was on 42nd and 9th. one more avenue over, he would have cleaned up on 10th

in Hell's Kitchen. He didn't want the easy ones. He wanted, you know, the bisexual. Do we have voicemails? I mean, he had, I mean, you know what I want this topic up. So let Roy gush about getting hit on. This is nasty.

It's been like four days. He's still thinking about him. Roy went back to the same block. It stood there. Roy went to the city MD coming through records. Try to get his files. Coming through health records.

Oh my God. This voicemail I wanted to start with today actually leads to the demure Fleek conversation that we that we just finished. So let's go down memory lane. You've got mail. I fuck with the pod. Got a question. So I'm going to get straight to it.

Delay was crazy. Is there a word or a phrase current or in the past that you cannot stand? Me. could not stand the word fleak. That shit just made my skin crawl. And you had to be a specific type of ghetto to use it. Whatever. The other word for me

Ellen used it. Is Riz. Can't stand it. To me, it sounds like the name of a bully from a 90s movie. Watch out for Riz. He's coming down the street. You know what I'm saying? She's weird to me. Anyway, If y'all can add to that, we'll be fine. Thank you.

Zuvie, I hate it. Zuvie is trash. I love it, though. Zuvie was so funny. This is a joke. Yo, it's a Zuvie. I'm not going. I hated.

Zoothingi, tell me, yo, it's a Zuvie in there. I'm not going. I hated Litt, and then I started saying it as a joke, and then I started saying it seriously. Like, Lit won me over somehow. Cap was very similar in that. guard. I don't really use it. I use it as a joke. I'm good on it. It's giving.

You're not supposed to say that. Yes. That's what I just don't like. I just don't like when people say. I don't say. I'm just saying I don't like when people say it because it's like shut up. You know what I'm glad did not connect at all was cray. Craig. Craig. That shit, cray did not. It did not connect. That song was number one everywhere. That word did not stick. It did for a little while. It did. People was going around seriously saying, yo, that shit, Craig. Craig Craig. Craig for sure. But that's a joke. People say cray cray as a joke. All right, never mind. Maybe they do. I'm telling you. You wasn't up on the culture. He wasn't up on the culture. See? I try to tell you that.

Mall, you got one. Zuvia. I don't like Bent. Bent? I used to like Bent, but I don't like Bent. Remember Bent was a thing? When you got drunk? Mm-hmm. I mean, Bent surpasses my lifetime. When I arrived here, Bent was a thing. Really?

Yeah. I didn't like hear Ben when it came out. Just remember Ben always being here. My, according to my mother, lit was a thing before and it like came back in the style. Like,

because my mother's about to be 70, so she was like, when I was younger, lit was a thing. But when we said lit, it meant like drunk or high. We didn't mean it as in like having fun.

What about W? I'm good on that one too. Dub. W's more so like streamers. Like W's in the chat. Oh yeah. That's just not. Just don't say that.

People don't say that in real life. What does that mean? If like if you're if you like the conversation or if you're approving of something, W. So you just. It's like when? When, yeah. What about a delulu?

I'm not familiar with that. It's not my demographic. Delusional. Oh. See, I wouldn't never even put those two things together. A lot of this stuff isn't Gen Z slang though. That is not Gen Z.

That is not Gen Z. Suss is not Gen. No, this is just general slang. No, but they're taking... Sam is not Gen Z. Fam is definitely not. Fam is definitely not. That used to be...

Oh, my God, Rory's favorite word. It might still be Rory's. That is Rory's. That's fam. Big fam. I try to stop saying Sun, and I've been great at it for the past however many years.

Oh, my God. Sun was like the... Every other word I said was sung for a very long time. That's Queens, though. That's New York. But Queens is heavy on Sun. Queens niggas was heavy on Sun.

That was always a queen shit. I never felt like, like I was cool enough to say done. I would always like say it more as a joke. Done I was never cool. Is dead ass a thing outside of New York? They say it is now. It is now.

I just, I really don't hear it anywhere outside of New York. I think out of all these, I think main character might be the only thing that Gen Z can hold. T, I guess. Is T Gen Z? Or is that us? I feel like that's us, but they take, they use it more than we do. But we definitely created it. T is I said as a joke, but is now in my vocabulary.

Are there any words that no longer are common slang that you would like to bring back? Oh my God. You know which one I want to bring back. I mean, I'm with you on that. I think we all are. It's a great word. It's a great fucking word. Can we please bring it back?

Remember when all of Twitter tried to bring B back? B? B. Like, what's good B? Yeah. Nah, I don't remember that. Oh, okay. I fuck with B though.

I always didn't But to me that was always Like a Harlem thing It would have been nice for the bloods What? Well that's Just shut the fuck up I know I'll get it

Just shut up When normal people Like I always find it funny When like Normies Try to use Normies Which is another Gen Z Yeah

Normies try to use Like gang language Like when normal people Were saying What's cracking And it's like You don't need to say that Or was bracking

You don't need to stop Yeah, I never understood people saying that that wasn't in gangs. That was just weird. But that started like when all the girls in high school started dating Crips. Like before it got to the mainstream, you knew right away when a girl's language started to change. Like, why are you talking like that? Yeah, like, which one of them niggas you fucking with? What about like old time, like Joe Biden era slang?

Like the cat's pajamas. The 30s? Or like the bees knees. The bees knees is fire. I love old. I still say blotto. No. A lot instead of getting like drunk.

Cruising for a bruising was my shit. Cruising for a bruising? Oh, that was my shit. My dad says that to me to this day. Yeah, that was my shit. You cruising for a bruising. Nuckus sandwich is a classic. And then when they actually would punch you in the mouth.

There was like a TikTok trend going on of like where a couple of people were making videos about like they were like what happened to like the like stereotypical cheerleader white girl in all their slang because they used to have like the sort of super cool slang. Like a white girl call you a loser back in the day with the L on the forehead. L7. Make it a square.

Yeah. Wait, that's what L7 was a square? Yeah. You didn't know that? You're an L and a seven. You're a loser. I mean, it's more of a rectangle, but you know, you see the.

That's so cool. I never even thought. I've used it before, but I never knew like. So what you thought the seven was for? I didn't even know what I thought of numerology? You're an L7. No, I just. Talk to the hand used to bang

Talk to the hand Yeah Cut the Wait cut the gas These are from the 50s That's farting Cut the gas The big tickle is crazy

Who is that? Can I get some context To what the big tickle was Yeah who goes by that Big tickle We don't want to get old judging But if anything funny Is described as a big tickle

Oh like a bit Like a good time Like it's okay I get it it. I get it. I get that. I'm gonna start using big tickle. It's like basically like you having a good,

y'all having a funky good time. A funky good time. You're born in 53? What the fuck you mean? You're having a funky good. Funky good time? Remember as if? As if.

That was clueless, right? I don't know. Didn't the movie Clueless make that popular? Probably. I don't know. Far out's pretty cool. No, I never Fucked with Far Out

That yeah I don't know if that was like Gobbley Gook is crazy I don't know if I ever got that one off Gouldy Gook is crazy I use rigamoreole a lot Like I fuck with rigamorole Chrome Dome is kind of fire

You know I'm glad came and went Lampin What? Oh man Lampin was bad I have no idea what the fuck that is It's like chilling The lamp is just sitting there

Which is whoever put that together was high as fuck. Yeah. Chillax. Ooh, Chilax. I never see. That's when we shit got weird.

Geezer started like taking words and putting them together. Geezer flow. Do you y'all remember ha? Twitter? I used to get my hands off on Twitter. Like French Montana? Mm-hmm. We just said H.A.

That was like last year. That was not like last year. Oh, snap? That was my shit. You were the old snap. You were peak Osnap era. Hell you. What made you say oh snap the first time?

Because you couldn't say oh shit in front of your picture. Yeah. you couldn't curse. What was the first, oh snap, when they hit the second tower? He was 30. I was way,

I was using full-blown curse one when they hit the tower. Holy shit. The plane just ran into the World Trade Center. Exactly. I didn't say, oh, snap.

I saw a plane hit the World Trade Center. Oh, snap. No, it was definitely like, what the fuck is going on? Your, um, did you guys' grandparents, I don't know, or like aunts?

You couldn't say, like, lying was like a curse word. Like, I could not say, She's lying. Like, I would get popped. I would have to say, like, she's telling a tale or she's storytelling. I could not say lying. That sounds like a cult when I was a kid.

Telling a tale. Yeah. You say, yo, she's lying. It's like, you're about to tell the truth. Shut up. No, it was like lying was just a bad word. You could not say lying. Oh, okay.

Shut up was a much bigger deal than it, than they made it out to be. Yeah. Shut up. So I couldn't say shut up either. Shut up. Shut up. It was like, look at it's like saying fuck. Yeah.

Yeah. That was crazy. He's. Shut up. You had to say, be quiet. Yeah. Everybody take themselves back to their high school hallway. Okay.

Kind of beside them all here. When I say she's a skis, you know the girl that just popped up in your head, too. Right when I saw the word skis, I knew the girl that popped up right in my head when I saw the word ski. Skis come from skeezer. Yeah. Did y'all have gig? I spoke to another day. No, not.

Shout to gigs. Y'all didn't have gig in y'all school? No. Like I go get a gig like a job Get a gig yeah No gig was like a like a whore Like she's a gig That might have been a Syracuse thing

That was that's local Slor gig. What was like the background of What it meant I had no idea Ghetto Gigger Slore was definitely thing Slore

Slor was the slutting hole Come on Now is Trees The kids say Trees What does that mean? I've never heard of that The kids say Trees now Ghana has a song called Trees

Is that about It's like a hoe But how does, what did Trish come from? I don't know. Why do we keep coming up with more words for horror? Like, do we need more? And why we just can't bring back the one word that we need to bring back? No.

I'm not going to say it, but why we just can't bring it back? Yeah, but. Jump off. Boo-ya. Did you use jump off or jump? When I was in high school, was jump. Jump off was definitely a thing. Like, she's a jump?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was for horror, for sure. Another word for whore. Yeah, jump. She's a jump. We do have a lot of words for that. It's like Eskimos and don't they have like a thousand words for snow?

It's the same thing. Yeah, for sure, definitely draw the parallels. We got to have one more point. Yeah, this is a fun one, I think. Hi, guys, what's up? It's Cindy. I called in a couple of weeks ago. I'm from L.A., so I was the teacher that called in.

So here's my question. Well, two questions. Let's say you've been dating somebody for a while and then you guys break up. Is it weird if you unfollow them and their family? pretty quickly. So that's my first question. And the second question is, what about, like,

I'm a girl and my ex's friends still follow me after the breakup. Is that weird? Okay. Thank you, guys. Have a great one. I love you, Julian. Oh, hey.

See? Good comments. Got a reason to go to L.A. now. Never mind. To say hi. Just to say I? Jump off. The follow thing,

I don't really get, I don't know. Everyone follow people. You unfollow everyone after they break up with their significant other? No, I don't, no. I don't want to make this sexist, but I feel like that's something women care way more about.

Yeah, I mean, if... I got blocked by a guy, not too long, I was like, that's the gayest move I've ever seen in my life. It does take a lot. But I, if my friend breaks up with this girl, I'm not going to unfollow her. I don't know. It depends on why.

they broke up. Okay. Depends on why. If it's like nasty and then like she got some dudes to like run down to my man crib and all of that, then yeah, she got unfollow her. Like I'm not fucking with her. But if it's just like my home warrior got caught cheating and she broke up with him, I don't think I should.

Not right away. Yeah, doing that like day of seems like. It also depends on your relationship with the person. Yeah, well, it always depends on that. Yeah. It mostly depends on how it ended. But yeah, but if you call some dudes to run down on my boy, like, and he got jumped, I'm not, of course I'm following you. I might have somebody come jump you now.

Like, you're not cool. But I like following people that know I don't fuck with them no more, though. I kind of like that, too. Yeah, I like that. I don't want to make a joke out of what happened with Cash doll. But people broke into her house, which is coward shit. people that break in the houses. Roy, I saw the tweet.

Don't. It's weird, oh shit. But she suggested that her ex-husband or boyfriend, father of their children, fought off the intruders. And then someone on Twitter replied and said, that's how you get your homies

to get your family back. You're sick. I told you not to repeat it. You're sick. I'm not even laughing at that. That's not funny to you at all. No. Imagine hiring your friends

to break into your house. and you defend your family and beat them. And she's like, well, we should get back together. Yo, beating your friends up. Like that plan, like, I wanted to be at that meeting when they put that plan together. Like, guys, I'm going to punch you in your face, but it's, you know what I mean?

I don't mean it. No, you're not, nigga. Like, you can just come out with a gun and I'm going to just run out the house. Like, remember when they set that up in Mr. D's when they do the fake, like robbery? The purse. Yeah.

And then he beats the shit out of the guy they plotted the whole thing. After she goes, I sure hope that mugger got home safe. Beat the living shit out of him. Mr. Deeds is a, damn, that's a great movie. Well, to her question, I don't know.

I don't really, that type of thing doesn't really enter my mind. I don't really give a fuck. Everyone can follow. Everyone I don't put stake into that type of shit. Really at all. And if people do, cool. That's their paragon.

Yeah, it depends on how it ends. if they're not in it horribly and this person's like a negative light like in your life then it's probably best to just rid of them altogether i've been blocked by friends ex-girlfriends when i had done nothing wrong at all but i didn't if that's what you want to do cool whatever brings you peace that's all i got i'm not yeah i'm not i'm not i've been blocked but when people go through things with their significant other but i'm not unfollowing i mean it depends if i like your content i'll keep following you. If you was posting bullshit anyway and I was just following you to be nice, I'll unfollow you.

You could take that how you want to take it. I don't really. But if Maul or Rory broke up with somebody, I'm not going to unfollow them just because they broke up. I wouldn't feel any type of way if you kept following them. Yeah. It's like, it's just... Guess what? I also wouldn't even check. Some people really check shit like that. Some people I've never went through Demaris's followers.

Like, I'm not going to be like, yo, Demaris still following somebody? I wouldn't even... Oh, speaking of like nasty errors, remember that? Like the follow for follow. trend. Follow Fridays? Follow Fridays. The follow trains. Oh, that's so fucking lame. God, it was bad. That is so lame. I know people look back and be like, yo, what the fuck was I thinking? All right. Well, Detroit, we will see you this week. Yes. You're hearing this now on Tuesday the 20th. We are in Detroit. In two days. Two days. August 22nd, St. Andrews Hall. Can't wait to see the beautiful people of Michigan. Yes. You can't just say. Detroit is sure to be people coming from different parts of Michigan. Swingstate. Love Michigan. Beautiful

City. We'll be in Chicago on the 25th of this week as well. City winery. Yes. Another beautiful city. Shatown. Are you going to take me around Detroit? Motown or Shatown? Are you going to take me around Detroit? Nah. Okay. I don't know around Detroit like that.

Are you going to go visit you guys' friend that taught you out of fight? Oh, damn? Yeah. He was kind of deep. He wasn't in Detroit per se. Like he was on the other side of eight mile, as they would say. Like, he was in another town in Michigan. I'm not.

I would say what's up? But that was kind of a drive. I think I'm cool. What's up, Dale? I just said it. I just said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like he's listening for sure, too. You got your first belt. Like, you could have, like, got some new moves, you know? That is true.

Yeah. Yeah, Dale probably got some new shit that he didn't put on the internet. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. Set up a private session in the hotel or something. In the room?

Yeah. Like close combat. Yeah. What would you do right here? Why are you wrestling? What would you do if someone's at home? Crying all alone on the bedroom floor because he's hungry. Tickets available now, new Roryamall.com.

Hope to see y'all in Michigan or Chicago this weekend. If I hang out with the N-O-I, will you come with me? If you hang out with the N-O-I? Yes, I mean, it's one of their biggest cities. You're just going to hang out with them? Like, doing what though? Lamping? We'll talk to you

We'll talk to y'all soon, man. Be safe, be blessed. Have a safe week. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. A win is a win. A win is a win.

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