New Rory & MAL - Episode 300 | 300

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

THREE HUNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAA!!! We start off by thanking the fans... and the non-fans. The hate pushed us almost as much as the love! But then it's back to business as usual. Vlad's comments on Marlon Wayans came back to bite him in the a** after Marlon had a successful interview with Shannon Sharpe (08:17). We get into Doechii's new album 'Alligator Bites Never Heal', giving her immense praise and speaking on what she has to offer hip-hop (12:11). Big Sean also released a new album, but all everyone is talking about is what number's he's on pace to hit. The team tries to figure out where the disconnect is with Sean and the mainstream hip-hop fans (20:10). Cash Cobain dropped after his tour run with Ice Spice (43:22), who is having her summer jam screen moment, courtesy of her feud with former friend Cleotrapa (47:57) . We have voicemails! The first one is from a man who made the fatal mistake of thinking a girl was his and his only (1:27:47), and the second is from a man who is ready to settle down and wants to know what age we started feeling the same (1:47:16). Mid episode, we were made aware that Rich Homie Quan had passed, and we give him and Fatman Scoop their well-deserved flowers (2:06:39).Go to https://SHOPIFY.COM/rorymal to upgrade your selling today!Download the PrizePicks app today and use code RORYMAL and get $50 instantly when you play $5!For MORE Rory & Mal, make sure you subscribe to our Patreon community, for exclusive episodes, first access to tickets and merch sales, private live chats with the team, + more! https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalFollow Rory: @ThisIsRoryFollow MAL: @MAL_ByTheWayFollow Demaris: @DemarisAGiscombeFollow Julian: @Julian__nicholas To watch the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALYouTube Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMAL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. No. and a half since we just had to restart. Ruin my first five-second intro, but it's cool. How are you? How you feel 300? That's big. You've been waiting for this. You talk about this a lot. I'm going to stir my tea and let you get your intro in.

I don't really have like an intro. It's just been 300. Because I got some things on my mind today. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Oh, we get right to your thoughts. I don't really. We've seen all the comments. They didn't think we would make 300. I didn't pay any of those comments, any mind. Oh, they thought we was over.

They thought we was over at 55, Rory. They thought we were over at 2. You know what I mean? They thought it was over. Here we are sitting on top of 300. Yeah. Thank you to everyone on the team. You guys are appreciated.

Couldn't have done it without you. You guys look thrilled. Yay. Julian looks amazed right now. Going through all 299 episodes. My only comment was going to be, it would be 350 episodes if we accounted for all the shit we had to cut out. that too yeah we have like full episodes we have episodes and segments that we've had to scrap

that have quite frankly more often not been my favorite parts of the show but you know how that goes one day like when we're all retiring going off into the sunset we should leak all the episodes that we get us canceled yeah just as like a final hurrah not even pay wallet just like just put them out yeah i mean i've tried to fight to put some of those out in the day they didn't happen but I still want to put out the Canis Owens episode. No, that's the only one I don't want to put out. No. I thought that was a great conversation.

All right, fine, that'll stay behind a paywall. But 300, cool. We don't really have any blooms or celebrations, but I guess we should, we should celebrate in the moment. My therapist says, I don't do that enough. Celebrating the moment? Yeah. Like, we should really take a step back and be happy of our accomplishments. 300 episodes, that's a lot of potting.

That's a lot of talking. Not including Patreon. Right. No, that's just a lot of talking, a lot of audio, a lot of time in front of the camera. But it doesn't, honestly, it doesn't feel like 300, though. Like, when you put that number on it, it's like, because we record so many other things and, you know, it's like 300 doesn't even seem like, it's like, no, it's more than 300. Yeah, I'm counting in years at this point. Yeah.

Episodes I don't even really particularly. Yeah. Well, and also, it's 300 regular episodes. we've obviously put out over 150, 200 some odd Patreon episodes at this point as well. So that, you know, all available, Patreon.com.

If you want to get 400... I like the book. 400 plus something episodes. Those are all there. But yeah, I don't really have much as far as celebrating 300. I mean, I guess, I don't know, do we think back at all our amazing moments?

I hate doing this shit. What are you guys? I don't know. I feel like we have to talk about it. I mean, thank you to all the listeners for listening for 300 episodes. Most importantly, thank you to all the listeners. Everybody that comes out and supports us, everybody that comes to the live shows, people that interact on social media, whether it's good or bad.

We appreciate all of it. Yeah. Sometimes I appreciate the negative comments. Why? I mean, I don't particularly care, but. Because it just proves me right most of the time. That people are miserable? Yeah, exactly.

It just proves me right. So when you see miserable people online, You're like, oh, there you go. They caught someone this past week that was complimenting our last episode and, you know, being a father and that whole conversation that we had on Tuesday. And they found like an old clip of him. I don't know. It was on Twitter spaces or what it was. He was like, they're not lasting more than 55 episodes.

They're done. I told you. That's the gentleman I was talking about. That's exactly who I'm talking about. And then he said facts can change. That was his reply. Facts can change? I thought it was funny.

Facts can change. I like that. Because facts can change. They can. But it wasn't a fact when he said it at 55. No, that wasn't a fact. But facts can't, he's right in saying facts.

That is true, because it's not like the basis of science. A facts can change. What's at one point has been scientifically proven to be true, therefore a fact over time has changed. Like the earth or, you know, the center,

the earth being the center of the universe. At one point, they believed that. We scrapped that episode. That was the fact. And then it was proven to be wrong and then the facts changed. Well, no,

we're agreeing that facts are. No, facts do change. No, I know. It wasn't a scientific fact that we were done. Well, no, that wasn't a side. That was just a dumb ass with a Twitter account. And Fauci only says scientific facts. Well, he's a fan now.

I don't want y'all to shit on him. But he might have watched it at episode 50 and felt like the shit wasn't going nowhere. And then after a while, we have gotten. Oh. First of all, this is 300 episodes. We have gotten better. Like, that's like, we've grown. That's subjective.

I can't. Agreed, but it's fine that he wasn't a fan and is now. I think that's great. Thank you for coming on the journey. and giving us more grace, and now you're like what we do. Hold on. Let me say it was a fact at 55.

Like in the confidence in which you said, he's like, no, no, that's a fact. They're done at 55. Yeah, but no one gets on the internet

and goes like, just my opinion. I don't take that seriously. No. People on the internet and streamers just scream facts as loud as they possibly can. And for some reason,

people think that means it's true. But, you know, where are we living? Julian, your hair looks different. Did you do something? I just, yeah,

today I just went, what do they say? What do the women say? Al natural. Nah. A, you? I don't want to say all natural. I want to say all, like the French one.

Okay. You're American. There's no product of my hair is what I'm saying. This is out the shower, straight to the studio. Now you look mulatto. This is what do they call it my, my natural frizz.

Yeah. How long before, like, a girl can see you in your natural state? If she sleeps over. and wakes up next to me. Got you. She would be so privileged. Yeah.

Would you do the bonnet with like a... I don't think I've ever won't. I don't wear that, no. You wear bonnets? Put a bonnet over there. Don't need that. Help you help you free them. You don't know you need it until you wear it.

I don't need it. Okay. Could be cute. All right, well, 300 episodes. Thank you for joining us along this journey. It's been fun. Yeah. Had some really great moments, some really wild moments.

some really interesting moments, interesting guests. Yeah. He had a very interesting guest that y'all will hear from next week. Yeah, I think we should plug it. I think our conversation with LeCray yesterday that's going to be on Patreon on Monday was one of my favorite conversations we've had in podcasts. I had a really, really great time talking about in Clay.

He's a very interesting, very funny, has a great story. And he's talented. So anytime you meet talented people, but they have a cool personality to match that, that's always a fun conversation. I think even the listeners that have been very vocal of not liking guests,

which I understand, but there is also a market for people that like guests, I think the people that don't like guests will still like this episode. Yeah. It definitely didn't feel like a guest pod.

We'll start having a guest every episode. Okay. Just for that reason. They don't tell Rogan they don't like guests, right? But that's his platform. That's the basis of the show.

We're making that this place. Interviewing all you drill niggas come up here. Do whatever you want. Yeah, we interview. Just come up here. Chef G would love. to have you, my brother.

If you have an alleged body, we want to talk to what the crimes you've committed. Yes, Vlad, y'all watch him. He'd get three million views. All he doing is snitching. Let's, you know, let's start ratting. Yo, so speaking of Vlad, did you see the back and forth with Marlon Wayne's, like, wanted to charge him, what, 40K or something for an interview? Yeah, I remember that.

And that was kind of like the internet went up and roar for. And cool, if that's Marlon Wayne's value, good for him for sticking with it. But I was also like, is a Marlon Wayne's interview that sought after? And then I see he just did club Shayshay and it's like $1.5 million in like an hour. Well, that's because... I'm sorry, Marlon Wains. I didn't know. I wasn't familiar with your game.

He wasn't familiar with his game. Well, I'm glad you said, you know, apologies to Marlon Wains. But deeper than that, I think that a lot of people forget that Marlon Wains is a Wainting's. First and foremost, that is a comedy royalty. that's royalty in this culture. What his family has been able to do over the last 30 some odd years. Not many people can speak to that

and say that they've done that. With his older brother, Keenan Ivery Wayans, one of my idols has been able to do and give to the culture over the years is incredible. And I think people would just get lost in maybe him not having nothing right now that's relevant or hot right now.

That's not clickable right now. That's all. I just wasn't sure if he would be like the hot take guy if he didn't have anything currently. But it's not, it's, people get caught up in the hot take. He's, he's a wanes. Like his, his legacy. He's a legacy act at this point. His history, his stories, his journey, the things he's done. Classic movies under his belt.

How could you not expect him to have a great interview and a great story? Do you think people expect that now from Club Shay-Shay, though? Incredible podcast, but I think with the Kat Williams, thing, it may have put expectations where each interview has to be extremely salacious. But that's the problem. That's the problem. You can't chase see Cat Williams. I'm saying how the fans view it.

And I'm not saying that's the problem. People, you can't chase that Cat Williams moment. He wasn't chasing a moment. He opened a portal. Exactly. So now you have to go there and be yourself, tell your story, which I think is what Marlon Wayne did. Yeah. I saw some of the interview and I thought it was dope. Like his story telling, his personality is something that

entertaining, obviously, and has been entertaining for years. And I think it's cool that sometimes, you know, these guys with these newer platforms that, you know, are on the internet and think that they can speak down. Yeah. To people that have, you know, done years of, you know, things in in the way that the Wands have. I think it's beautiful to watch that turn into an egg on your head or egg in your face for Vlad because, and no disrespect to Vlad. I'm not here to kick his back in because I wasn't on his side in the beach. beginning, but I understood what he was saying when this was his quote. Nobody on Earth is paying Marlon 40K for an interview when he gets 100K to 300k views on any platform he interviews on.

This guy's really delusional. I mean, I think the last part is a little fucked up, like, going at, calling him delusional, I think is a little over the line when you guys just had a bad business. You should have gone bipolar or something like that, right? Like, you should diagnose him. Yeah. Um, not as a medical doctor. Something lighter. For what he's, for what he's doing. But I kind of agreed with him. I'm not saying Marlon Wayne is not worth 40K for an interview, but I wasn't expecting the 1.5 million in a few hours. Good. So I'm glad you were.

I'm not here to kick Vlad's back and I kind of agree with him, but now you have egg on your face. No, but I mean, everybody that agreed with Vlad has egg on their face. Yeah. And that's the beautiful part about it. And, you know, I mean, again, you lose sight of the guys that have been here for years and have been doing things for years because in the current state, in the current moment, they may not be as hot as they once were.

But that doesn't mean that they can't sit in front of. you and give a great conversation, give a great entertaining interview. And I think that's what Marlon Wayans and Shannon Sharp were able to give us. Yeah. I will admit we did pre-record our episode at the top of the week so the team could enjoy their holiday weekend. There was a great new music Friday last week that we didn't get to touch upon because, again, we did pre-record.

Do I dare say Dochi may have album of the year? Can we pull up 2024 albums, rap albums? I'm ready to say it's album of the year so far. A rap album of the year. Yes. Okay. Though it is very much, it's definitely a rap album, but it is split with singing, but I'm going to go out on a limb. Can you think of a better rap album this year?

I mean, I think it's too soon to say rap album with a year, but I'm not mad at that. It's a really good album. Ben Staples has it for me still. Vince is definitely up there. I think that's a great, great comparison. Blue Lips, School Boy Q, I think. is definitely up there, but... I'll give Doche's second.

I can't stop listening to this album. Yeah, the Vince album is great, but I don't... This Doche album, I feel like for the younger generation, this could be their Section 80. Like, I already see her mirroring kind of Kendrick's path at the beginning of his career. That's what it feels like to me. And I know it's a crazy statement for an album

that's only been out for like six days. Yeah, that's... You put an extra mayo on that burger right there. I know we joke about... the word refreshing, but I have not heard something that, to me, I didn't think the landscape had at all in quite some time. Like, this was a such unnecessary void that's missing in hip hop right now, what Dochi did. She doesn't sound like anyone else is pushing the genre forward. I can't say enough about this album. It's a really good album. Alligator Bites Never Heal. I was really, really

pleased listening to it. It was fun to listen to. Dochi is You know, she's really rapping on that. The production is dope, the skits. She even gave her some of her singing on their melodies. This is a complete project. This is a really, really dope project. It sounds like she really took her time with this. And I think it was the perfect time

and to drop this. Caught me by surprise because obviously I know Dochi is talented, but I honestly wasn't expecting her to give us an album this good. And I'm not here to shit on pussy rap. I love pussy rap. I think it has a necessary place. in hip-hop, it's great for when you want to go out, party, do all that type of shit.

This just showed the separation between the girls that are just rapping for a lick because that's what's popular right now and a real fucking artist. This is what happens when a Bentley pulls up to the Chrysler. Like, you see the complete difference in the separation of artistry. No offense to matters because I know you love pussy rap. And I could see your face. I was about to be on that ass. She loves Christlers.

I know we're not allowed to say it because we have to empower. every single woman that's rapping about her pussy, we have to say it's the greatest thing that we've ever heard. Well, pussy is the greatest thing, so. Facts. But I am here to say the separation that you can hear,

and I'm sorry that I'm pinning women against women, but I'm still going to talk about a female rapper, being a female rapper. The separation is, it's night and day. We can be, as Frank as pot. It's not even close. Like you said, she's an artist. This is art.

It's beautiful. The videos, the photo shoots. She did a cover for paper magazine. Yeah. where she took a comments from fans personal and channeled it in a great way instead of jumping on Twitter and talking about how white her pussy is,

she did a cover for paper magazine and said, you guys kept calling me a man, so here's the concept for my paper magazine. Shoot, like, she's fucking incredible. Like, this is, I can't stop listening to this project.

I think everything she's done thus far surrounding this album has been incredible. And hats off to TDE. This is what artist development looks like in 2024. Yeah. There hasn't been artist development in quite some time. This is what it looks like when you take your time.

Yeah. This is what artists hope to do. Take their time with a project. Take their time with a project. That was great. Yeah, this photo shoot is incredible. But this is what it sounds like when the artist, I think, takes their time. It's not in a rush to kind of like feed the ecosystem and truly, you know, living their art and growing their art.

Dochi is giving us a really, really dope out. But, you know, listening to this, it did give me very, very, very, vibes of like Doge's album though. Okay. Like the sound they certainly have a similar cadence. They have a similar sound,

similar cadence. Uh, even their tones on some of the records, like vocally. Uh, very similar. Also, La Caley 47.

I got some of those vibes in there as well. Love her. Those are some of my favorite, you know, female, female artists. But ironically, you're naming two of the other female rappers

that now Dochia's enter this realm where men and women can both listen to this and be happy. Yeah. Which is tough. Like, let's tell the truth. A lot of that women rap is not for us.

No, I can listen to this. It's incredible for the women, but it's not for us. Like, if I'm in the car with my girl and she's playing that shit, it's annoying the fuck out of me. I'm doing it as a favor for her because she wants to look at that. Yeah, this is not awkward if I walk into your crib and this is playing. I'm like, okay. But if I walk into your crib and you got, you know,

some of that pussy rap playing, I'm like, I think I'm a slot out. I don't know what you got going on here today, but. Yeah. And, I mean, there's plenty of, like, Griselda shit. more of that boom-bappy stuff that I know women don't want to hear at all and get annoyed with us when we listen to it. Yeah, but that's why...

That's where she's going to be so successful because like Doja, she's a female artist that both genders, or they gender too, will clue them, can all listen in a car and be happy. Yeah. Which is very rare to find these days at all.

Male or female. The self-awareness on this album is really what I think gravitated most to, because there are some boom Bapby sounding beats on the first act, the first half. But then you get to the song called Boom Bap. And I was like, okay, what is her approach here? And it's her just making fun of like the old head boom Bap rap. And it's like, oh, she is just so self-aware of what she's doing throughout this project that like that that break between like the way this gets placed, I think,

are so well done in terms of just like breaking it up into each act, but also like addressing what she's doing throughout the album and just the critique on Boom Bap while rapping in Boom Bap and killing records in that style. It's just, I don't know. I listen to it again this morning. It's so damn good. It's too good.

Where's LeBron's tweet? He's working on the deluxe man. He's got his next draft up for Eminem's shit album. He told Dogey she got to give us two more. Don't worry about it. That's coming. Denials of River reminded me a Damien by DMX. That's the level she's at already, in my opinion.

So I'm really excited for her career. We've been speaking about her for years. Like, I had very high expectations going into this and was almost nervous like, damn, she probably has too much pressure. She delivered. Too much. Too much pressure. She delivered.

No, she definitely did. In my opinion, rap album in the year so far, totally fond with Vin Staples being one A, 1B right now. But this is, this shit is next level. Which is the record? the breathing exercise on. I'm just like now thinking about what she does that whole scheme.

Yeah. I'm just like, this is fucking cool. She did what? It was, I'm not going to do it again. You can listen to it. I listen to it. She does a great job. Really great out. Shout out to her entire team. And again, shout out to Dochi, man. It's just been fun to watch her really growing to the artist that she is now. And incredible album, Alligator Bites,

never Hill, available now. If you haven't heard it, and you're a fan of hip-hop, a fan of music and a fan of artists just being who they are and being their true selves. Support this project, stream it, send it to a local streaming farm, tell them to stream it. Let's get Dochi, let's get Dochi's numbers up because this is definitely a project that we should support. Also on Friday, the same way anytime Nas announces something, we assume Hove and Beyonce are going to drop just to step on it. We have that same theory when it comes to Big Sean and Kendrick. So when I saw that Sean's album was coming out on Friday. I was excited because I love Big Sean, but I also thought, hey,

maybe we'll get a Kendrick album that day too. But I see he just sent, he just sent his little homie out to try to step on it. Yeah. So dochee? He was like, yo, Doe, you get him. This, all right, where do we want to start with the Sean thing? Throughout the entire weekend, I saw a lot of back and forth on the timeline with reviews of this album and their opinion on Big Sean and where he's at in his career. I'll start with my personal opinion for my my age and the point that I'm in life, I love the content in this project. I love the calmness of this project. I think it is replay value. But I'm not sure if I'm a consumer that's going to push you to the next level. This is for me. I don't know if it's for the world. I saw a lot of

people having flack with it. Like, Sean doesn't really have the bops that he used to. It's just too mature from what I've saw. It's too mature. But that had me confused because everyone for the past year, myself included, has been critiquing Drake about being immature, and then we get someone like Sean who could rap for real, is now a father, married, giving us that mature 35, 36-year-old type rap, and now everyone wants the ignorant slaps. I mean, you can't really please the internet or any fan base for the most part, but I think there was just a little too much pushback. It almost felt personal.

Like, do y'all just dislike Big Sean? that's what a lot of the criticism felt like to me I think it's weird because none of you niggas know big Sean fair so they'd be like you dislike Big Sean it's like you don't even know him first of them you know that's not these days that's very common with fans they really have like personal issues with people they've never met that's the problem with so then it's the fans problem

not the artist oh for sure but so let's but it's still a problem let's speak to the artists when you're all of y'all sit the fuck back and relax man like wherever you're going there's music out there for everybody the bottom line here is when you listen to this album, it's good music, is good rapping,

is good production, it's a cohesive project, what else do you want? And not that Sean was going back and forth, per se, on the timeline, but he was active on Twitter more than he usually is.

And I could see certain stuff he was liking, like, I think he felt some of that backlash, but I don't see why he would be upset about it, lean into the maturity shit.

Like, to me, this is a whole crowd and niche that you could just lean into. Like, you don't have to explain, you know, there's also slaps on here. There's also, you know, some less dad-type content on here,

but why not just lean into that? You're speaking like someone of your age. Yeah, but what's wrong with- Hip-hop? Between life is good and 444, we're like, oh, all right, we finally seeing how hip-hop can age. We can see what, like, that older guy looks like

when it comes to making music. Sean is a veteran. I think he's right on, time for transitioning into this more mature, you know, crystals. You know, you know, Jenae changed his life. She gave him four sound baths before he went to sleep. Yeah. A lot of Epsom salt, I think, in that house. Yeah, but that's, which is good. That's a, old. Listen, man, it's, that's a great thing. And, you know, the bottom line is, again, it's the fans, the people that's listening. And I'm, and I'm of the belief, a lot of people

just jump behind what they see other people saying. Some of you niggas didn't even hear the album. No, they just want to... Y'all calling it trash. It's like... And that's where the artists have to do a job of staying away from the internet for periods of time because you've got to understand who's on the internet. Some people are only there to spew negative shit towards your art.

Some people are only there to jump on the wave or the bandwagon and what other people are saying. But when you listen to this album, you can't tell me that if you've never heard this artist before, you can't listen to this and say oh he can't rap you can't listen to this and say oh the music is bad but because it's Big Sean and people have placed

what they expect him to be saying or what they expect him to do it or Big Sean is corny or he's just speak to the music speak to the album stop speaking to the person that you don't know

let me advocate for the devil for a second looking in the lens of the people that do dislike it the one critic that I could sort of understand, if Sean takes this much time in between albums, the expectation is a little bit higher for you to push your sound a bit. I think the production is great on here, but it's nothing I haven't heard Sean on already. So if you're going to take that much time

in between albums, I could see a true fan having an honest critique of like, okay, we waited this long to kind of get a little bit more of the same sonically. I think the content certainly grew, which I really enjoy. But I can see people looking at the production here and going, all right, we waited, what, four or five years? And a lot of it is similar to what we've heard Sean on already. Like, did this push the envelope as far as his discography, comparing him to his own music? So to say that, he gives us a project, totally different sound. You know what then becomes a thing? I mean, of course. Yo, this sounds nothing like Sean. So like, what are you trying to do right now? What do people, what do y'all want from these art? Like, what do y'all want? No, but I think

Look, and I think that album's cool. I think similar to Rory, it's like you're going to take this long to put out, you know, the same. Whatever. I'm not even critiquing the music. I'm more to what I'm saying from the fans, like, well, if the fan's expectation is set by the artist, big Sean has two former number ones. So he, like, for better or worse, that's the expectation. People expect, you know, that caliber of music, that caliber of success from an artist that's done it, not just ones, but, you know, couple times over. He was at that time with the good, the good music album. Like, he was the man

behind Jay and Kanye. I think it was safe to say, like, Sean, on those two songs he did with them, he really held his own. So, like, he put himself in that class. Well, he deserves to be in that. So I think that he did it. Like, I'm not saying, you know, the fans can decide whatever, but he earned it, put himself there and he fucking succeeded. So I think when people say like, okay, it's pacing to do 24K first week in sales, I think there is a, whether or not it's the fans believe it, or the fans are starting the narrative or not, there is a

conversation to be had, okay, it's like, okay, then what is the disconnect? I think that this is the Big Sean that we know and love, but it's something's clearly different here. I think Big Sean, I think what happened here is, this is probably our first time seeing Big Sean where we probably

can't connect him to a crew or, uh, you know what mean? Like other artists that are like, yeah, I think this is... Did you not feel that way with Detroit, too? Because it was still in a similar situation at that point. It was weird with Ye. You didn't see him with push like that.

You didn't see him with Com. But I think with Detroit, too, it was because it was two. So we kind of knew what to expect with the Detroit series. Which the expectation, because the Detroit mixed state to me is an absolute classic. Right. So I think that kind of like, you know, covered that a little bit. The fact that we kind of already knew what to expect with Detroit, too, because of the first one. I think this one, you know, people can't really...

connect Sean to, you know, a crew, a label, other rappers, emcees that he's with all the time and has features with. But again, I'm just listening to the music. It's good. It's really good songs. And the joint with him, Kodak, this and that record. Fire. A million pieces record with him and Larry, Larry June and Tiana.

The Break the Cycle record with Charlie Wood's like, it's dope music on here. So when people say, oh, it's trashed. I'm like, what do y'all look from Big Sean? on up is fire. And there is some bops on it. Not to say that they may be the elite Sean uptempo stuff that we know because that is something Sean is mastered in the last 15 years. But I think the cash covane record is fire. Okay. The joint with Gunner is fire. Like there's other shit on there besides, hey, I'm a dad and I'm spiritual and I'm just trying to figure out what's going on in my 30s. Okay, but let's remove the stuff talking about the album and the songs that we like.

We all agree it's a good album. What is the disconnect between Sean and now? Like where, let's remove the music from it. What is it? about him. I think once you're a rapper and you cry on social media, it's hard to come back from that. Did he cry on social media? Yeah, he got up.

Like, he was streaming listening to the, I think the album and he got up and I'm like, well, I think I was like, oh, you can't. That's not the discone.

No, but that's that turn. Kanye's cried on shows all the time. Yeah, but Kanye's a different. Kanye can do what he wants. Well, it can get away with a lot. Yeah, he can say anti-Semitic things in the TV.

He can cry. He can do whatever. Matter of it, Kanye don't cry is a problem. So you're saying Sean should have went on that stream and said, I think Hitler's a good guy. No, I think, that's crazy. But I think, I think Sean, I think he's just maybe a little,

maybe too emotional right now. But I feel like Sean, even though this has been deemed the mature album, Sean has always talked about a lot of the subject matter that's on this project, his whole career. No, no, no. He's been a very emotional dude. And even before Detroit, too, he was very emotional. to, he was vocal on that press run of some of the mental health stuff he was dealing with.

I think the disconnect really did come from, one, the good music breakup and then Sean disappearing so much. Because even between Sean's album cycles. You mean becoming a better person, becoming a dad? Taking care of, yeah. Yeah, taking care of himself. That's what he did. Yeah, but we don't care about that. We want music from you. It is fun. So like those moments and disappearing and taking the time to really work in itself and heal yourself can, in turn, hurt your career. Yeah. That's the truth of the reality.

But that's, I mean, we say it all the time. We love so-and-so when they get a breakup. They're about to drop the hottest album of all the time. Artists make their best shit when they're going through the worst situations in their life. And Sean went from being very public with his relationships. He was dating two huge people. One pop star, one actress. He was always visual even in between album cycles.

He would still do features. Sean was in the mix whether he liked it or not when he wasn't putting an album out. There was no disconnect of where Sean was and what was going on. Yeah, and also, let's be truthful here.

Being in a high profile relationship in this era is very helpful when it comes to visibility and I won't say direct album sales but just having your face and people caring about you every day outside of your music is helpful. It's just the world we live in. Sean not having any of that.

even though Jenae is a superstar, they disappear. We don't see them together. They keep their relationship sacred, which I think is amazing for him and his mental health. But you see the difference when it comes to sales,

people talking about the project. Like, it doesn't connect the same way. But that's just the world we live in now, which is crazy. I feel like everybody is selling less. So like when I look at his numbers, I get it's disappointing. But it's like,

I don't. expect Sean to do the numbers he was doing 15 years ago. Nobody. Ten years ago. Nobody does. There's like aliens that do that. You have Jay, you have who isn't doing the numbers he used to do. He's doing amazing numbers, but he's not doing the numbers he used to do. Drake isn't doing the numbers he used to do. Like everybody is slowly but surely declining when it comes to numbers because of the way that they're even counting album sales. So it's just kind of like, what do y'all expect from him? There's, there's-Faradaradus was his last album that probably sold the most, right?

Yeah. But there's rules changes, which, you know, album equivalence we said like the bundles obviously that saw numbers in half there's there's that the hard number but then there's also impact like cultural impact yeah he's not making more to that like the cultural impact whereas he seems like sean doesn't have that anymore because he's not making songs for kids kids i've like we've had this argument before but i think that kids and when i say kids i think i i mean people under the age of 30 25 they control the music scene unless you're like a huge legacy act. So if you're not making music for kids, you're not going to, they're not playing it. Like, you see what I'm saying? So it's just, I don't, I don't know. I don't think that Sean is

surprised by what he sold being the content of his album. I'm not surprised by what he sold. Neither am I. And I mean, I know he's been an interview saying he doesn't care about first week sales, which he's probably telling the truth. But it's definitely a conversation post album release with your management, with your label. How are we pivoting? What, what, what? does the rest of my career look like now? Who's the audience I'm trying to target? I think, and that's more what I'm speaking to is I think they haven't identified what is the demo and how should they market towards that demo?

Because right now, I think Sean is still being marketed as to the younger crowd because it's rap, but that's not his demo. Who else would you guys consider would have the same demo as Sean? Like what other artists would you say? Larry June, in terms of age, not so much like, you know, lifestyle. I think, I mean, Larry has done a great job with the youth. Like he, he, he, his fan base is super young, which I think is amazing, especially with the type of music he makes. You figure the young kids wouldn't like that type of shit. We would like that type of shit. So he's done a great

job connecting with the kids. And, you know, kids now are more positive than we were. So they connect with Larry Jones. He's a very positive human being. Like they like them as a person, too, outside of the music. Sean, I would say is kind of where super. But I'm the demo. And my generation is not very positive. I think Sean still has a younger demo

though than you. He's definitely 30s, I think. I don't know if the 20s would be his highest at all. I would probably say 30 to 35 would probably be his main. Yeah. I just think that is, again, man,

I'm just listening to music. I don't get caught up in all the other shit around it. The music that I'm listening to, the project, what I heard from Big Sean was really good, dope songs on there, good music, still gives great bars, cadences, flows. I mean, again, sometimes things don't connect. That's part of the music business. That's part of any business when you're selling a product. Sometimes things don't connect.

But I think for me personally, I think I would attach it to, from what I can see, him not having that crew or that, you know, that team of other artists and rap is behind him that's kind of, you know, I think to me, that's the only thing that I can pinpoint and say maybe it's that. Maybe he's too much of a loner now. Maybe he's too, you know, kept to himself. Which is cool. It's just where I think it's fucked up from the fans is when they try to discredit his entire legacy. And like who Sean has been insane. People have very short term memory. But I think Sean is in a better position than artists that are out selling him. He's on pace for what, 24K is what they said?

It's not official, but that's a prediction. There's artists that sell 60 to 80K that can't sell a fucking concert ticket. Sean can do 24K and is going to have a sold-out tour because of the fan base that he has built and the core fan base that will always support him, even if it only reflects 24K sales with streams. You'll see a big difference with,

his concert versus someone that'll sell 80K. Right. And can't get anyone to be like, yeah, I think I want to buy a ticket and a t-shirt to go see them. No, because they're just part of the new algorithm, the new playlist. Oh, I like this song.

I like this artist. But they'll be replaced with someone else on that playlist tomorrow. Right. Sean, even at 24K, still, to me, will be just fine with what he's done his entire career. And Roy and I've spoken to this quite a bit. I feel like we always end up talking about Sean

in these conversations. but he's sitting within his own home, there's a gold mine between him and Jeney, that 2088. I mean, can't wait for that. Who's to say, you know, that's the recipe for success is the two of them. And however they want to work that out,

if they want to keep their relationship or relationship and not make it a business relationship, then, you know, but we do know that Roy and I both agree that that would be probably the best thing for him to do in terms of just like injecting himself back into the scene. Yeah. But again, it's also,

tough too of both of them being solo artists. I'm sure Jeanne has a plan for what she wants to do. Yeah. And tying those two things in together can sometimes take five years because I have to do my solo album cycle. Janine has to do her solo album cycle. Then maybe we'll have time for this. Like that's a five year process just because you both are solo artists. That's not a bad idea. It's a very, you know, unique thing that they have, obviously. And then the album that they did give us was some classic music on there. So that's not a bad idea. Put out solo projects,

go on the road together. Yeah. And, you know, perform some of the classic that you got together. Bring the kids on stage. Bring the kids.

Janay, give us all a sound bath. We need it. Why not? She has put out quietly like some really cool, like baby music shit. What's the name of it,

Demaris? Like, what you would, the genre. I'll look it up. But have you played it for a mar yet? All the time. I just don't know

what the actual. genre is labeled. How's a Marathon? She said some slaps on there. Yeah, you know, she prefers like the old Jeney, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sleep soul. She calls it sleep soul, relaxing baby sleep music, like lullaby. Great Lane. I mean, she could be like, without being the, this is that, just the music, Miss Rachel. Yeah, I mean, her stuff is just more on the calming, relaxing side rather than like straight up singing to your kids and brainwashing them. It's definitely more of like a good nap time white noise type of situation, but it works with Amara. She likes it. Her YouTube or a separate account.

That's hers. That's smart. Good for her. But I just hope, Sean, I mean, he's an artist, so artists do take everything personal, really no matter which artist you're dealing with. I hope he's not taking into account the internet just doing the internet shit. Like, the internet forgets everyone's legacy and who they are. So it's not a personal thing. You can't pay attention to that. Fuck the internet, man.

You put out a dope project. There's good music on there. You seem to be in a great space mentally, emotionally. Your family is great. Your wife just went on a great tour sold out of arena. They made a D'Maris cry.

Life is great, man. Life is great. Don't get caught up. And these fucking internet and his fucking streamers talking shit, man. Sean, keep doing. doing what you doing, man.

A selfish fan request. I would love for Sean and Key Wayne to do it like an EP. Oh, yes. Like their chemistry came. That era, just like hearing their names together. He said, oh, yes. Hearing their names together. I only say that when she lick the tape, my neck.

Like, he went crazy. You heard you. Oh, Julia went crazy just down. Oh, you got squirmy? Like, oh. What was that? They don't miss together. They really don't, though.

Like, I feel like for the past five Sean albums, it always ends up being the Key Wayne record that I like the most. My personal take. Yeah, they're great. But yeah, I mean, we can wrap the Sean topic up. But to go back to where it did connect with Sean, 2015, Kanye was still beloved. Good music was sort of together.

He was coming out of that relationship. his single, I don't fuck with you, had a messy tone to it because everyone was paying attention to the relationship he was just in. There was a lot surrounding Sean that wasn't just music. And we know Sean will deliver with music,

but you can't always deliver with messy bullshit that people are going to click. And his single was that. I don't fuck with you. Simple. Amazing record, has a background to it. It's about another.

celebrity, rest in peace. And yeah, that that connects. Like, no matter what, even if you weren't a rap fan, you were like, oh, I, I want to hear the Sean diss to his ex. Like, that shit was in people. Yeah. That's beyond the shade room. Yeah, the type of shit. The world wants that negative energy. And then you have blessings. Hmm. Peak Drake. All your fault with Kanye. Like, there was so much connecting with Sean at that time. All he had to do is what he does best. Play-no games. Oh, come on. Yeah, Plano games was fucking...

I know. You couldn't go outside without here. Come on. Even though the one man can change the world, I'll even let that one and slide at that point. You need that message. You need some... How do you go from I don't fuck with you to John Legend?

One man can't... It's like, all right, like, thanks. That's something for... Why'd you sound like Elvis? That's, um... What's that Jay-Z Midlife Crisis song? Forever Young? Oh, stop.

We love... We love Forever Young. That's where I had... one man can change the world. And it wasn't even Sean, I liked his verses. It's just sometimes when John Legend gets too much in that bag. They let him run on that. I can't like,

this is a little too cheesy for me. Yeah. But I feel the same way about Hove and Forever Young. Like get this midlife crisis, end of the concert song, the fuck off my iPod. But it hits at the end of the, didn't you go to the concert? Yeah. It hit, didn't it? I went, I tried to

beat traffic. That was a graduation song too. They beat that shit to ground at graduations, like every... Forever young? Yes. Really? Yes. I've never seen that.

That and that as we come... Well, yeah, that's a... I don't know what song that is. We remember. We remember. That's a graduation song. That's a graduation song. These two were the graduation records, those two.

But I had not graduated during this era. So... You didn't graduate. I know. It's what I'm like... I wouldn't have gotten to this point. I was still on the other song from high school. Rory would hit the stage.

They would have to play, Get the fuck out of here. here. Wrap it up. I don't fuck with you. I don't fuck with you for sure. But yeah, I still, I mean, I know it's only been a few days, but I still have Sean's album in rotation every day since it came out.

Same with Dochi. I thought it was a great new music Friday. I thought someone else came out too. I was about to say, was there any other projects? I was kind of wrapped up with those two last Friday. Cash Cobain. Yes. The Bronx legend, play Cash Cobain.

Love that album title. he dropped his first album 19 tracks some dope features on there does the Bronx get to claim him completely he wears a lot of Queens merch to the point that he had to go on Twitter and say I'm not from Queens I'm from the Bronx

What Queens merch did he wear? All the Slow Bucks stuff So does that mean he's from Queens? I mean his three hat is pretty much a Slow Bucks hat that says Queens he wears it all the time He's from the Bronx Legend out there

Bronx legend Anyone that does anything in the Bronx is a legend. Well, yeah, naturally. I just love what Cash is doing on a run. With the whole sexy drill sound, sexy drill wave, you know, it's injecting some positive energy into the whole drill scene. And it's making fun. It's making, you know, guys are dancing with girls, guys want to, you know, it's giving that whole vibe. It's like this is their R&B moment in the drill party.

Yeah. Completely. And I love what Cash is doing. I think it's entirely necessary. Carving his own lane. And this album, play Cash Cobain, is a dope list.

And I love the fact that he came out and said, you know, I don't make music for guys. Like, let's let's get that straight. Like, I don't make music for y'all. This is for the ladies.

Love that. And I think this album is dope. I think that his team should be very proud of what they did, what they put out. And I'm looking forward to Cash going on tour. Yeah. Seeing what he can do. in some theaters and some rooms and stuff like that.

Because all of his music is a vibe. It's something you can dance to. So I want to see him on stage in front of his audience in different cities and just see what that look like. But I'm happy and I'm proud of what he did. This was a dope listen. And shout out to Yale. Yeah, Ali has a production credit on one of the songs on the album.

So yeah, real dope listen, dope project, good energy. You know, if you weren't in that mood to just, you know, vibe a little bit. This is the perfect, perfect, perfect album to put on. That, that would be a concert that I wouldn't mind being like the old guy at the party. Flying the wall. Yeah, put me, but put me like, I don't want to be, don't get me a seat. Like, put me like somewhere where I can kind of just observe. See everything, the stage and the audience and just see what they're doing.

Because you know they're going to be in there. Yo, absolutely. I just, I just love what he doing, man. He just, his whole, his whole, you know, DNA that he's injected into the drill scene. It's taking over. It's the sound of the city right now. And, you know, anytime you see dudes that had an issue with each other, a real issue with each other talking on social media and saying, like, listen, man, let's come together. Let's have a show.

Let's, you know what I mean? We can fight. And then after we finished fighting, let's perform. Like, I thought that that was fire. You know what I respect. So anytime you have an artist that's able to inject that type of energy and that type of, you know, feeling into what we know the drill scene is, it can be very, you know, negative, very violent, very tragic.

And I think what Cash was able to do is, you know, bring some fun back into that. Let's dance at the parties. Let's talk to the girls at the parties instead of putting shys on me mugging each other all night and shooting the party up. Let's dance. Let's have fun. So I love what Cash is doing. Let's talk to women.

Yeah. Like, remember that? Remember we should just talk? That was a whole thing, yeah, at one point. Yeah, let's just talk to the girls in here again. Like, what would Demaris's, like, legendary status be if she went from twerking at the Ice Spice show to getting on stage? at the Cash Cobain show.

Cash Cobain opened for Ice Spice, so technically I did both. Mm. Legend in two games. When Cash's album dropped, we did the four of us were in here just listening to it and he's like the lyric, he's funny. Yeah. I think that's great entertainment.

We, we're having fun. I don't know. When I listen to it, I'm more of like the beat, the vibe, the mood. But on that list and we were on here, I was really paid touch to the lyrics. He's so fucking funny. I hope he does something in comedy or, I mean, if he has time to do like a mic or just like a sketch thing. His just his writing is so funny and he makes it sound cool.

Yeah, he's in a moment of just having fun, man. And I think that that's, that's dope to see the young cats having fun again. So yeah. Play Cash Cobain available now. If you haven't heard it, give it a listen. I think you'll enjoy it. It's a dope project. You know, speaking of Ice Spice, Tamara, I know the group chat was going crazy with y'all.

Yeah, the group chat. Can you get us up? Up to speed on what's happening with, what's your name, Cleopatra? Cleopatra. I'm sorry. Cleoprappa. Duh. There seemed to be some messy women group chat shit happening to the public for the entire weekend.

Yeah. Well, if you haven't heard about the Cleo Trappa and Ice Spice debacle, Cleo Trappa and Ice Spice were. Tobacco was funny. They were, let's say, associates. I don't want to call them friends, but they were cool associates. They have been in music videos together, things like that. If you don't know who Cleo Trappa is, she is the girl from New York who was always going viral for, like, telling people they're pronouncing something wrong or they're spelling something wrong. Like, she used to have, like, the whiteboard and write stuff up on it.

She's a darker skinned girl, and she's also a music artist. So Ice Spice and her have had previous issues where Ice Spice's best friend, Baby Stormy, came out and kind of posted some screenshots to the timeline. and was like basically where Ice Spice was talking about Cleo Trappa saying that she was jealous. Cleo Trappa accepted her back as a friend. Ice Spice invited Cleo Trappa on to tour with her the day before Ice Spice's tour starts. Cleo Trappa asked her, hey, what do I have to pay for on this tour? And Ice says nothing, you're good, you're my friend, everything's on me. That's nice.

That's very nice. All right. We're off to a good start. Yeah. Yeah. So Cleo Trapp. Then a chicken salad came in the mix. Cleotrapa.

Cleotrago. Everything was fine so that salad Oh, there's nothing like breaking a fringes when it's time to eat, right, Rory? But, you know, they're young, so they don't see those signs yet.

They'll learn with age that any time a chicken salad gets between friends, a fallout's gonna happen. Exactly. You know, go ahead, I'm sorry. Basically, to make this a very long story. Wait, they're really beefing over a chicken salad?

I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm going to say, Ma, I've no idea what they're talking about. I'm just going to like this plan. I tried to keep up. Someone on the podcast explaining it. I'm asking you, is it really a chicken salad? She's going to get to it. No, they're not beefing over a chicken salad.

Okay, that's all. My question is asking. Chicken salad's pretty nice. Basically, Cleo Trapper was under the impression that everything was covered for her on the tour when she got on the tour. The number one thing that happened, I think during the first show, is Ice Spice's security didn't carry Cleo Trappa's bags back to the car after the show. Cleo Trapper had to carry her own bags. She had a conversation with Ice Spice in their shared hotel room after this where she was basically like, hey, I don't like that security. Like just left my bag.

He took all 20 of yours and didn't take my one and a half bag that you had. And Ice was basically like my security works for me. They pay a flat fee and they don't work for you. All right. So far, ice spice is right. So far pretty logical there. Yep. So she's right.

When does a salad come into play? Basically one of the things was with the salad thing was just. that everybody on the team had order food Cleo had put in her order and then after everybody got their stuff back they were basically like it's like oh yours is not covered like by tour. They vanmode her

for a chicken sale? No they didn't even like ask they just didn't get it. So the number one thing So wait is she, don't to cut you up, she's talent on the show like she's the opener She's the opener because Cleo Trapper makes she has music too right? She's not just a personality and she wraps you. She didn't bring

her whiteboard on stage. So okay so I mean I understand I think what is missing is how deep does their personal relationship run Cleo Trappa and Ice Spice From what I hear that they're they Cleo said that they were never friends Where like they were chilling in the house like with no makeup

It was always just kind of like out you know we all have those friends It's like yo I'm doing this event come through or I'm doing this event come through Okay so they were social they were yeah they were social There's a work relationship But obviously close enough where it was, hey, you're coming on tour with me. You're going to be staying with me, basically. So that's close enough.

That's what Ice Spice told her. Yes, basically like, I'm covering everything. Now, Cleo outed, I mean, if you're in the scene, you do know this, but Ice Spice and Riot are dating. Cleo outed that. What? Yeah, a lot of the fans didn't know. Still playing with them.

Don't play with them, Ryan. And by them, I mean, never mind. Just her. Anyway, at one point, Riot came on the tour. Was Riot salad covered? Oh, his salad was covered. He has 50% pub. Double chicken.

He might have got extra shrimp in it. He got two more. He ate Cleotrappa salad. That salad was almost too good. Wait, so on tour, I'm sorry, because I really, thank you, you're being great. So on tour, Cleotrappa and Ice Spice are sharing a room. Why wouldn't Riot in Ice Spice share a room? Riot wasn't on there at first.

Damn. When his tour bus caught up to them, then he started. Caught up. Why was he in a different city? But I don't know. I mean, he's a mogul. He's producing for other people. At the end of the day, he ended up staying in Ice Spice's room on the tour bus and her room in the hotels. Apparently, Ice Spice's manager was supposed to contact Cleo's manager to let her know she had to get her own separate room, even though she had previously been told that everything will be covered. Nothing has been covered so far. Literally, nothing is covered other than her traveling on the tour bus with them.

them. So Cleo basically, eventually at the end of the tour, wrote Ice Bison and said, hey, you told me this one, I came on tour. This is not what happened. I felt unincluded. Y'all were eating without me. Y'all were treating me weird. I didn't feel like I was good every single time. Like, you know, I was to like come in your dressing room. I was kind of like being told, oh, Ice doesn't want to be bothered right now. Like she's just like, I felt like a groupie. I didn't really feel like somebody who was a part of this tour. Okay. So what it sounds like is Cleo Trappel found out that they're not actually. actually friends. That ICE was more so treating it like she's talent on the tour. I'm going to add her to the tour because she said on the space that she, they ended up adding another tour bus. So it was more bunks. She was like, yeah, because she was like, yo, like let Cleo Trapper come on, let her get her shit off on the road, like, you know, build her fan base.

People could see her perform. And I think what Cleo Trapper may have thought was it was going to be more of her and ice together all the time hanging out. Yeah, you know, that type of thing. And when she got on the road, she noticed that, oh, they're treating ice spice like, and she's Ice Spice, that entity, and I'm just support for Ice Spice's tour. And I don't really see ice. We don't talk like that before the shows.

Like, it's kind of like moving. Like, I'll see a passing through. Her tour bus leaves first. The tour bus I'm on leaves after. No, they were on the same tour bus. I think the issue. No, I didn't different one. but she was sleeping in Ice Spice, like, room.

She had her own bunk on a different bus. Yeah, she was a, no, she had her own bunk on this. So she was originally sleeping in Ice Spice's room from the very beginning. It's looking like Ice Spice is getting killed right now by the fans, because what it's looking like is that the fans obviously don't know or nobody knows how tour usually goes. Like if you're opening act, you're spending the majority, you're spending money usually to be an opening act on the floor,

especially if you're the opening opening opening act, because cash was opening, you know what I'm saying? But I think we like we all It's obvious that her manager should have gotten him With her manager and she first of all she should have been on that tour Me personally I wouldn't have went on tour with somebody who was talking about me behind my back And saying that I was jealous of them like I don't Forgive things like that especially when they're telling me that monetarily they're going to cover for me

I get that it's an amazing opportunity Wait this happened before ice spice was caught talking about Yes before any of this even happened before they went on tour This was like a couple months ago oh so oh so okay that's more insight to this So what Cleo said is that she feels like ICE was doing damage control because she got caught talking shit about Nikki Minaj in those same text messages. She got caught talking shit about Cleo and it's kind of like,

they were saying that she was doing damage control. She was trying to show that she's supporting other acts and other parts. Yes, but she never, Cleo was like she never posted that I was on a tour. She never posted a flyer with my face on it. But that's not, that's not her responsibility. And even though it's not, it's not, it's not her. It's not her responsibility, but. if you invited me on a tour

and we're sleeping in the same room in the same bed maybe, right? We can, that's safe to assume that we have a friendship. If we're sleeping in the same bed, we're like, we're close. Yeah, but you know, some. You don't just sleep in a bed with random girls that you just do that. Girls do that shit. They become best friends with a chick they met last night. And that's true. And I think that this is, I think that maybe on one in, Cleo Trapper felt like, okay, this is my homie. And I think on Ice Spices, and it may have

been, it's the old thing of you move genuine with some people, they move strategic with you. Yeah. And it's that type of relationship. Two things. I think if Ice Spice said to her, all expenses paid, like, you won't make any money, but we'll cover food, hotel, like, you won't need for anything on the tour. I think she should obviously honor that. But after we have that conversation, we're one friends, two artists, our managers can figure this out if something ends up being incorrect. If I don't get my food, I know that's your friend, quote unquote, but she's also in the middle of a fucking tour. I don't care if we're best friends. On tour sucks sometimes. You could have someone you love and want to be around all the time. Tour can drive you to

just want to be alone. Yeah. After you, the amount of energy, especially Ice Spice, because she sells way more tickets than we do. I can only imagine the amount of energy she consumes from other people after a show where you just need to decompress with the amount of shit you just sucked in, Paul's. Yeah, I mean... Yeah, I don't care if you're my best friend.

I need some fucking time alone. I need to get ready. No, don't come in my green room. I'm preparing for a show. I'm trying to figure out what I fucked up yesterday to make this show better. No, this isn't like a Kiki friend time in the green room. But see, no, no, no, no, no, no.

So let's clarify. Because her issue wasn't that I don't get to Kiki Kiwiwa Ice Spice. Her issue is I am an artist on this tour and I have nowhere to put my bags. I have nowhere to get ready. Way separate. And you made it seem like I could share a dressing room with you. You're but 150 pounds. I'm but 160 pounds. Like we don't take up that much space. You made it seem like I was good with you and now I am now on tour uncomfortable getting ready in random bathrooms. You know, I can understand that. Yeah, I get that. I understand I understand Clear Trap aside, but I do think that this is just a case of finding out your

relationship with somebody is not what you thought it was. You know, I think Ice Spice meant good in having her on the tour. Like, yo, give her a look, let her come out on the tour. Like, and it helps Ice Spice show because ClearTrapa brings a certain type of energy. If she opens up for her, the crowd is kind of like already into that, that mood of, you know, partying and having a good time. I just think that it, you know, especially with women, things can become very catty, very, you know, spiteful, very, and then you're saying that they already had something a few months ago where Ice Spice was caught talking kind of sideways about her behind her back. So that already was there.

Like that type of energy was already existing. And I think now that we're on the road together and we're moving city to the city and it's kind of like, you know, we're right here. it's like, yeah, you cool, but like, you don't need to be up under me. And I think that's what Clear Trapper started to feel. And Ice was probably moving like, you know, I'll be with Taylor Swift. I mean, like she's when it's convenient. She probably felt like, you know, like I'm a superstar. Like, and you're just.

And Clear Trapper probably felt that like, okay, this is Ice Spice. She's a star. I'm just here to kind of like, you know, warm the crowd up and get them going for her. Yeah, which, and I mean, I don't know. I listened to it. So when Cleo Trapper was posting it, I was listening to that shit in real time, 4 o'clock in the morning. And the vibe that I got from her was just that her issue was you didn't make sure like everybody.

I know you can't make sure I'm good because you're a star. Yeah. Your people didn't know to make sure that I'm good. That's a simple. That's a simple email phone phone call. Yeah, I've gone places with Rory or my other friends where it's like, hey, I'm in the middle of working right now. but whatever she wants, she gets and we'll figure it out later.

If you're on tour, if Rory and Mall are on tour and Benner comes up to me and tells me my fucking chicken salad isn't covered, y'all are going to come out of pocket for it and we'll deal with the shit later. You'll deal with the reimbursements later. Like that's a fucking chicken salad. Like that's little shit or like certain things. It's not the chicken salad. That was just like Cleo Trapp was like something as a chicken salad.

Cleo said they were in the middle of like, I don't know, like somewhere like New Mexico, somewhere they were in like west, huh, like somewhere in Texas, like they were staying at a best western. Like they were in the middle of nowhere. And then every- Ice spice was staying at the best western? I guess I was in like some markets. Yeah.

Oh, you said Texas. Yeah, I didn't know what part of Texas. Texas, middle of nowhere. Okay. And- That might be the only thing out there. Yeah, she was like, I guess like, everybody knew there was no food around.

Like the closest food place was like McDonald's and it was like a 10-minute, like walk down the road. Like, they were in the middle of the desert. How accommodating we are with our tour in Texas specifically. God, that was so annoying. We drove around for two hours trying to find Maw some fucking food.

We bought them all three different fries. That was the... We stopped. If all ever brings up a chicken salad in my fucking presence, I'm bringing up the Dallas to Houston trip. What was it? Bring up the fact that we didn't know

we was driving to fucking... Oh, whoa. Until the day of the fucking show. Yeah, that was wild. That was wild. Yeah, so y'all putting it on me like I was wilding. Our whole game plan was fucked up.

We didn't even know we were driving to the other part of Texas. Like, that was the last minute thing. That was that we, when we hit McDonald's, we hit Wendy's, we hit some other local shit. And Roy and I were getting, like, food and mall's just getting different kinds of fries. Yeah, I got, I'm going to get into them, none of them had vegan nuggets or anything. My fry review is on Patreon. I know who got the best fries in Texas.

Welcome to my channel. Everyone asks me, what's my favorite fries? I know who got the best fries in Texas. Don't trip. I got you. And then on top of that of how accommodating we were, we had found out the night before, too, that our Houston show was at noon. Yeah. I don't know why our dumbasses would think our shows were.

at night like they have been for the entire tour. But we left the Dallas venue at 11 p.m. like, oh wait. Our show is at 10 hours. Show is at noon? Yeah, yeah, go back to the hotel, get you, get your shit. Bro. Get back downstairs and get in the phone.

So by the third fast food restaurant to get fries, in my head, I'm like, Maul, we have to be to the venue in like three fucking hours. We just get food there. Yeah, it was, that was a interesting. Let's say it was a life learning experience. But ice spice and clear, clear trapper. What happened in Texas? Basically, they were in Texas and she woke up and was like talking to like, she went

downstairs and was talking to everybody and was like, her and the stylist were like, yo, like we're hungry, we're starving. Like, does anybody go to want to go to McDonald's with us? Like, what's going on? And come to find out, like, nobody said anything, but they had already went to like a steakhouse that like the whole team had drove to a steakhouse. Oh, no, that's fucked up. Now, see, once you give the whole story.

I would have shut the room. Once you give the whole story in the scenario, that's fucked up. Because we talk about just feet. She brought her food back from the restaurant. And she had texted ice price but she was free also. So he brought food for a clear trapper? Are you talking about the guy with the orange here?

That was claim to be false. He's not real. He's like, he's, yeah. But no, basically they eventually found out. He's not real. He don't even exist. No, he's not. He's AI?

No, people. When there's big, like, stories going on on TikTok or Twitter or whatever, some people who are losers will like insert themselves and say, oh yeah, I got the real story. I'm this person. It's like, no, you're not. Oh, okay. You're doing it for a while.

I brought her the food. Yeah. Yeah. I have the receipt. That's right. She found out that they had went to a steakhouse without her while she was starving. So nobody bought her food back. I don't know.

Nobody bought her food back. Damn. That's fucked up. That's fucked up. Because we're talking about something that's simple is just feeding people. That's like. That's basic human. That's basic like, you know, it's shelter.

Food and shelters. Like basic on tour shit. Okay, but that's where if like communication breaks. Say I'm like the PM of this. entire tour. I know I'm responsible for everyone on my call sheet. This girl's not on my call sheet. She's not my responsibility. Someone should have told me that she's part of this crew. Yeah, but but you can't get mad at a whole production team or whatever going to go get food. No, but don't do that. Don't play semantics. That's not semantic. If we're in the middle,

that's ice spices fault, but not the team's fault. If we're in the middle of somewhere in Texas and we know that nobody has ate because none of us has stopped anywhere to eat and you're in Ice Spice's room. I mean, that's crazy. Y'all are like, yo, we're about to go get something to eat. You think because somebody's name is not on my fucking sheet that I'm going to be like, yo, Iowa, they got to eat whatever they can. No, I'm going to be like, yo, before we pull off, I'm like, yo, they're not hungry?

Ice Spice as a friend and someone that invited her should have been the one to text her and be like, yo, we're grabbing food. But that's the team? No, I'm here for a gig and this is who I'm responsible for. This is what my role is. But I got to go feed my. team that I'm aware of. You just added this girl the day before. I don't know her. Yeah, but

let's not act like it. No, but that was like 12 shows in at that point. Yeah. Y'all like the team is the team at this point. Yeah. We know we know each other. We move in city to city. Everybody know each other by first name. Like, we're not going to play the semantics game because somebody's name is not on a list.

Doesn't mean like, yo, when we go in and we're in the middle of Texas and we know everybody's hungry, we're not leaving somebody at the hotel and they're not eating. Like, that's crazy. And I'm saying, again, say you are like the PM of this shit and you have your production team group chat that y'all have been in a group chat

well before these 12 shows. Y'all have been preparing for this for a month prior. You've done rehearsals. I know my team. Ice Spice decides to add her home girl the day before and doesn't brief me and doesn't really tell me what to do. Why you keep saying the day before and it was? Because it was.

But this was 12 shows in. And no one said anything that this girl's part of the fucking tour. Like you can't get mad at the team. If somebody's on stage for 12 shows world, you're a production man. You don't know that this person. is a part of the fucking car. Should I grab her cell phone number

and remind her every time we need to eat like adults? So she's on the, so she's on for the rest of the tour. All right, cool. Let me go introduce myself. This is my number. If you need anything, text me, let me know. Whatever you need, I'm here.

That's no. And I'm saying the communication breakdown is I'm hired by Ice Spice and Jimmy Henschman's son. Those are the people I speak to. If you need me to take care of this girl, tell me. Rory's right.

12 shows in? Yes. Because more than shit, I agree with that. Morally you're correct. Stop playing semantics, bro. We're not doing that.

We're not doing that. If somebody, I'm responsible for my team. If me and Rory are on the fucking tour and it's a fucking podcast act opening up for us 12 fucking cities,

they following us around, getting on a tour bus. We're sleeping in the same fucking hotel. You mean to tell me that you're not going to have some communication with them? You're saying a different,

this is a different situation. How? because, okay, so in this case, like Cash Cobain was the opener. Cash had his team, his crew, the people that were managing him. Yeah. This girl, if I'm, if I'm the leader of Ice Spice's team and her people, this girl's not on our team. I don't know.

Where's her representative? Where's her tour manager? Okay. So let me. So let me do. This isn't my team. That's whoever she's with takes care of her. But she's not, but this is the thing.

She's not with anybody. Well, that's not my fucking. She's not my fucking. kid. But okay, it's not about being your okay. And this is where it's on Ice Spice because when you tell your friend you're good, your entire team should know, hey,

make sure she's good. That's definitely what I'm saying. That's what we're saying. I wouldn't put it in the tour manager the tour manager shouldn't go over and be like oh hey, like what we're going to take no, I'm taking orders from the fucking star, the artist, the face of this whole fucking tour. If IcePice said, yo,

I notice it's random like last minute my friend's tagging along, just make sure she's included with that bet we can make sure that gets gets no for sure it's definitely all right but when there's this girl just hanging out I'm like okay she has to have a team somewhere but hold on well first of all they knew she didn't have it if Ice Spice's team knew that she didn't have a team how many shows the whole I think a whole month run I think it was ended up being like

15 16 shows yeah come on bro there's no that's no there's no reason why whoever's in charge of Ice Spice and making sure she her tour manager is no reason why or her role managers no reason why she should not have communication and on top of that they can't they can't they came to, she didn't say, hey, Ice Space, can I go on your tour? Can I go on your tour? They came to her and said, hey, come on tour. We agree there. Ice Price came to her and said, come on tour. So I'm going to go, I'm going to speculate. How do you, first one, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, before you even go there, you're saying, Ice Spice asked her to come on tour, not the team.

No tour manager is saying, hey, Ice Spice, bring this girl on tour. For everything, you don't, but see, I'm not, but I'm not talking about the tour manager. I'm talking about Ice Spice's manager or Ice Spice's label. If you think that Ice Spice just decided, hey, bring this girl on tour this is Ice Spice's tour. She doesn't even know how it works. No, no, no, no. Somebody behind the scenes was like, hey, we need to either do image cleanup or we either need to sell some more tickets or we need to do something. Both parties have agreed in one thing. And that was Ice Spice asked that girl the day before tour to come on. Yes. There wasn't a sit down. There wasn't management reaching out. Ice Spice went to her home girl and said, yo, do you want to come on tour? We have an extra bus.

But the way that their friendship looks, I don't even think that it was. I can't speak on that. But what I'm saying is the way that their friendship looks, it doesn't look like, yo, I want to give my friend a look. That's not what this entire friendship even looks like. This looks like, like, you know, said, it looks like it was cleanup. It was image cleanup. Okay. But some accountability and not to say that she shouldn't have been taken care of

when someone says they're going to do that. There's no accountability on her already knowing, seeing those leaked text messages. Of course. I agree. I agree. I guess. Isn't really my friend. I agree.

And I think sometimes it's okay to be an opportunist. opportunity knocks on the door I get to open up for Ice Spice she's doing huge venues Of course I'm doing that shit Even though I know this bitch might be a little shady I'm thinking about my career So she needs to take some accountability

And knowing who she was going on tour with And maybe I shouldn't take her word for what it is Maybe I should dot the eyes Cross the T's with my manager And Jimmy Henserman's son Yeah maybe I should follow up And make sure I'm okay You're still an adult

and someone gave you an opportunity. I get, you're right. What you're saying is correct. But there's one simple thing here. If this, well, that too, if this girl was on 15, 16 shows. Which also only spans over like 17, 18 days. However many days that is. Not that long.

You're on the road with somebody for two weeks, maybe three. Let's say three weeks. Let's say three weeks. You mean to tell me that nobody from Ice Spice's team had any, type of contact with Cleotrapper at all. I don't know. But they're sleeping in the same bed some nights. Because to me, come on, man.

Like there's like a, this is my home girl that's coming on tour with them. Yeah, but that doesn't become everyone's responsibility. I know. Y'all keep saying this is my home girl that's coming out of her. If she was just a home girl that was just like bunk in, like just like on some goofy shit. If she was Ice Spice's home girl, which I'm sure Ice Spice has some home girls on a row with her, they're taking care of. That's a fact.

If you're going to tour right now, if I'm going to tour, me and Roy are we going to tour right now. and I have my fucking best friend come with us. You think that this nigga ain't going to get a chicken salad? Okay, but then whatever ordering, he's part of it. What are we talking about here? And again, IcePice is a shitty person here. Sorry, anytime Kea was there, I didn't separate the expenses of food at the venue.

I apologize. No, that's, I mean, that's... She got a chicken salad. Yeah, that's... What does the tour manager look like if IcePice has clearly made this awkward environment where this girl's halfway in but not officially with the crew? That's why I said it seems intentional. No, but then the tour manager, when they go to the steakhouse,

say that girl is there. Ice spice is going to look at that table and said, who the fuck told this bitch to come to this dinner? And then I'm going to be the tournament. This is why you can't, emotions can't play into being a tour manager or someone running a show. But that's different because now if she does say that,

I'm like, this girl, y'all is sleeping in the same bed. But you're still wrong. I didn't want her at this fucking steakhouse. This is clearly your friend. It doesn't matter. She's not in. We can spoon at night. This bitch does not get a flaminion.

That's, those are ice spices established at a drink. A couple bitches y'all wouldn't let me buy. Never. Never. Ice spice has established that as the rule. We share this room, but there are certain things that I don't want her to be a part of. If I'm the person going behind the fucking towns back to bring a bitch to dinner, it definitely seems to you're fired. It seems like, and that was the point. That was the point because Cleo Trapper's thing was hey. And why the fuck are we talking about this so long? I don't know of it. It's not just about the ice spice thing. It's about the whole entirety of tour life and artists management.

It's all about fake relationships and fake friendships. You mean the music industry? Exactly. my last point and I'm speculating I do not know but I assume Cash Cobain is a paid opener on that tour I'm assuming that

is of course right we can safely say that right I'm sure months in advance his team and Ice Spice's team and Live Nation wherever the fuck

put this tour together had full conversations and I think because he is a paid opener him and his team are responsible for their own tour expenses you're not part of this

Ice Spice crew you guys can do whatever the fuck y'all want to do y'all can eat pay that's your shit i don't think he's on the ice spice steakhouse uh group text to make sure cash go bain ate so imagine that is how this was set up everyone on tour is well aware of who cash go bane is but cash he's responsible for him then all of a sudden the day before when we already have this system there's just another random opener that i've never met and no one told me that i have to be responsible for because from my understanding the openers take care of their

own shit. Because that has been negotiated months in advance. And I'm speculating, of course, but I am pretty sure that's how it went about because we know Cash Cobain is getting paid on that shit. And he's not on the food per diem with Ice Spice. So you just throw a random opener the day before and now I have to rethink my entire. Why do you keep saying the day before? That's what they said. They was, how many shows are what they said, man? Well, the Texas show was the, well, I think they were in Arizona. That was the 20th show, 19th, 20th show. That clear trapid.

Yes. So stop saying the day before. 20 show on the tour, not that she's done. She could have joined halfway through. No, she joined the beginning. She joined in the beginning. Like the beginning of... Yeah, y'all got to stop saying the day before.

That girl was on the road. Yeah. She was there. She was a part of the show. Yeah. Separate point that is related to this, though. I do appreciate that this younger generation sets boundaries. Because my mentality at that age was thug it out.

Like, I'll figure it out. I'll go get dollar menu food. What was the boundary that was said? Of being vocal, you need to pay for my food. Like, being expressive about this. Because I just unfortunately come from the intern school or the like, you have to pay your due shit. Where like, oh, all right, if I can't sleep on this bunk today,

I'll sleep on the floor. I'm trying to make something to myself. Like, you gave me an opportunity to open up. Cool, if you can't pay for my food that day, I won't eat. I'll sleep on the floor. I come from that school, which I think has good values in it. I think it made me the person I am today. But it is fucked up.

Yeah, but you're missing one thing in that. This isn't just some girl that Ice Spice saw on line and was like, yo, we should get her to come open. She was famous before Ice Spice. She had a wave. She had a buzz. And not only that, they're sleeping in the same bed some nights. Why do y'all keep skipping over that? That's not pretty early in the town of thing.

Because she wanted to touch her pussy. like if we're sleeping in the same bed we have a relationship we know each other we're friends like you don't sleep in a bed with some random person I've done it plenty of times yeah but you don't also know just take that random person on the fucking way who are you

that's your name that's what you say when you wake up whoa what are you doing here? What I learned here is ice bites this shitty friend I'm ordering Uber Eats can you Venmo me your half yeah like I'm ordering actually it's a group order and give me your card and we'll split it

Yeah I just I feel like And I think that was Cleo's because Cleo came on instead. She was like, yo, if your security won't, if your security won't carry my bags, you could have let me know that and I could have paid your security to carry my bags. If there was a discrepancy with food, my manager could have reached out to your manager. We could have handled budget. Like none of these things, you didn't give you told me I was good. So therefore I didn't plan out in advance.

Granted, I think that is extremely naive, extremely naive on Cleo Trapples. I'm not an artist and I would know better than that. Like you could have met her three shows in and like, hey, let our managers handle this first. Let's make sure paperwork is good. There should have been some type of contract. Like, let's make sure all of this is good before I go on road with you. And if not, they don't go. She went on a road just out of a relationship.

Off GP. And it's just like, nah. And Ice Spice kept it business all the way through and was like, yo, she's not, I'm not paying for her food. Like, I think that's probably what it was. It's fucked up. But, I mean, the lesson here is know who your friends are. know who your friends aren't. And have your, if you're a young artist, have your fucking manager, everything needs to be in writing and have your manager a part of every conversation.

That's just, that's period. And I completely agree with y'all. But how old do we think Cleopatra, Trappa is? Like 20 something? I think she's like 24 or something like that. That is kind of, I'm not excusing the behavior, but that is kind of part of the come up. She's 26. if you have an opportunity last minute

and someone says, let's do this. Yeah, it's going to suck, but this is part of the process. I think people should keep their word. But no, if I'm trying to be a rapper or an entertainer and somebody hits me the day before, yeah, she should have her paperwork in order. She should have everything set up that way.

But not, this is... You're going to keep saying the day before. If that's going to delay anything, then fuck it. That was the day before. She asked her the day before to come on tour. She went on to... tour a day after she found out that she was going. Wait, what?

Like the tour started, Ice Spice asked her to go on tour the day before the tour started. Okay. But that's why you keep saying, he going to keep saying the day before. But this has been, but they had, they was on tour for almost a month. No, that was just the steakhouse thing. Everything can't be because of timing set up in the way it should as far as business goes. If Ice Spice tells me, yo, tomorrow we leave for tour, I have an extra bunk.

You can open up before Cash Cobain. if my business isn't in order, fuck that. I'm getting on the bus. This is my dream. This is what I'm doing. For sure. For sure.

Like, clearly that was intentional. Because, again, this is just not some random person. Her and the fucking star of the tour are sleeping in the same bed. The funniest part of the whole thing was she was, she explained how she felt unsafe and taken care of, not valued. And then Ice Spice got on Twitter spaces and was like, bitch, you ate the food so fast. The waiter didn't even know where the food went.

That was her response to her friend feeling unsafe. Oh, that means Cleo. That means Cleo. She's not. She is brutal. Yo, that was the cold. That means Cleo ain't line. When niggas starts saying shit like that, it's like, oh, yeah, the other person.

Nice spice is tough, man. Yeah, when she went ice. Yeah, when Cleo basically, because Cleo did, after Cleo said something about the bags, she didn't say anything else for the rest of the tour, about food, about that. She complained about nothing. She went out there. She did the show, whatever. When she didn't leave Atlanta with them for their last show in Miami,

she wrote ICE and was like, hey, like a long message, I didn't feel safe on this tour. I didn't feel like taking care of. Like, I just all of these things. Like, I don't feel like this was a good friend. And I said, wow, you're really mad ungrateful. And like just went off on her. She called her, she was like, have your, she basically called her a careerless bum. And Cleo Trappel was like, when you met me, like, before anybody knew who you were,

you were like, wow, this is a full circle moment. I'm such a fan. Like, yes, you skyrocketed and you became so famous. so quickly, but like, I've been out here grinding for a while and you knew who I was before anybody knew who you were. But to me, that's where Ice Spice can't win for losing. Once you say that type of shit, you lost. If I'm such a bum, why did you want me to open up?

That's why I just said what I said. Once people start saying certain shit. You think I want a fucking bum. Yeah, like, once you start saying certain shit, it's like. Also, you used biting a bum in your bed. Yeah, like, just say, yo, my bad, I was wrong. It's that simple. You ain't got to go to the name calling and all.

And another thing that's going to be really interesting to watch is because that Cleo Trapper girl, people really like that girl. They've always liked there. She has talent. Yeah. And she's pop. She has like her personality reminds me of Cardi. Like she blew up big on IG like Cardi did. So I say that to say, God will humble you and God will be, them tables turn.

And a year from now, we might be talking about Cleotrapper in a whole different space. And we might not be talking about Ice Spice at all. Yeah. I'm a Cleo Trapper fan and I do wish the best for her. So we'll see. We'll see what's next for her. But when I say the clock is on,

you guys shame me. But when Maul says it, you accept it. Not cool. I said the clock was on. For Ice Spice. No, I said just life and the way things can go

can humble you like because, you know, this can turn around and Cleotra can become, you know, just as big, if not bigger than Ice Spice. And a year from now

we may not be even talking about or mentioning Ice Spice. I mean, I want the best for both of them, but life just has a way of humbling you and, you know, good people always land where they're supposed to. So hopefully both of these ladies can, you know, be successful. Well, that's different. And her ads isn't the only thing she's lost.

She's also lost 500,000 followers on Instagram. So it seems like people are over her stuff at the moment. That kind of sounds like cap to me. What? Did 500,000 people even see this exchange? Yes. That's also been a cumulative thing. and unfollow.

It's viral. Like, if I pull it up on TikTok right now, like it's... Kids really care about this thing. Very, yeah. It's like, people are... Instagram just did that thing

where they start wiping bot accounts. Yes, that's where I'm thinking it's coming from. That's all that is, man. They wiped a few bot accounts from the, from the app. Oh my God. Now she's only at 11.5 million. Oh, my God, Rory.

She got to go to... 12 last night. My God. What is her team going to do? Well, each of her parts that she did on, And she did six parts. Each of those parts are at 3 million. Cleo Trappos.

Okay. And that's on TikTok alone. So. Okay. But let's see the value of this. Those numbers are fake streaming farms. Fair. How did the follow account change for Cleo?

Did it go up by $500,000? No. There's no direct correlation. Yeah. You were just trying to make the direct correlation. Yeah. You guys were just literally making a direct correlation. Well, I was saying because of this fucking.

No, not because of this. I think it's been a cumulative thing. He's done other things, too, that have annoyed people. Oh, okay. Well, once you piss off the barbs, baby. That was the big one. Once you piss off the barbs, that's a different level. Yeah, we had a meeting about that a few months ago.

We were sitting down talking to figure out if I was at the round table. Me and Nikki was kind of discussing some things. And we were trying to figure out where we was going, you know what I mean. The roundtable being you, Nikki and Kenny is just the funniest image. I mean, you know, we got to keep the counsel in order. That's all. I get it. Keep the counsel in order.

You saw what he did on live? No. We get the voicemails. Okay. Rory is so messy. How am I messy? Get the voicemouse. Because he used the slur

that's half of Nikki's fan base. Yeah, he used what did he say? I know Nikki heard that and just went. He used the F word, the F word on live. He did? Yeah. It was. Oh, Maul likes him.

Yeah, but that's, that's, Nicky's fan base is 50%. All right, but what was the context? Maybe more than 50. What was the context? Because you can be a, without being. Exactly. That's my point. Which is how I was introduced to the word.

I had no idea that it was a sexual thing at all. We were wrong now that we know that we don't use the word. With that said, I think they were talking about like internet trolls or something. And then he was calling the people on the internet. Oh. Which isn't fair game, but I get where he was coming. Yeah, I get it. I understand. So yeah.

But we should not use that word now that we know it's offensive. At the time, we didn't know. Yeah, we definitely didn't know it was offensive. We just used it as a slur. Yeah. But not for that community. We used it for our community. Yeah.

Yeah. But it was wrong. Like when you started, I'm sorry. Yeah. I was wrong. I didn't know. When you didn't get picked to play five on five and you took your basketball home because you had the good basketball.

You were then a. But you know that I get what you guys get are saying, but that did stem from. For sure. No. That's where it's stemmed from. Yeah. But like we said, in top of the podcast, facts change. Yeah.

Facts do change. Facts do change. And even at that very immature part of my life, I would. never even, I would never call a gay person that. I only said it's straight people. Unless they were acting like Yeah. And in any case But ironically, straight people

act like that were more than gay people. Those are bigger ones. Oh God. Are you kidding me? Jesus. Do we have voicemails, Julian? Yes. You've got mail. 300 episodes feels like a good time to remind people if you subscribe to Patreon. All

tiers have access to voicemails. It's pinned to the top for Patreon. It's a link. You can click click it, call in, leave a voicemail. You have 90 seconds. If not, just do it again. Please do not say, I left the voicemail. I'm going to do it again. Don't provide context. Just do it again. Start as if I've never heard it. You know what I mean?

I have to respect the loophole that are listeners that don't subscribe to Patreon found. Whatever. They have been sending their version of voicemails or stories and advice through our merch email. They have. Oh, that's really funny. Oh, I would take a look at those. I read. I was like, oh, this would be good, but not. We got to put our foot down.

Oh, yeah. Boundaries. I will not take a look at those. You have to pay for Patreon to do a voicemail. We're not doing the merch email voicemails. Oh, my God. That is funny to send a voice note via email. Anyway.

And we can maybe cut this or keep it on. Give a fuck. A girl at our Chicago show, remember the Jewish woman? The Ukrainian Jew. The Ukrainian Jew. The unicorn. Yeah. She left a voicemail about a threesome that she was pitched for at our show.

So we have to find that voicemail. Wait, somebody at the two guys at the show? Or was a couple. A couple. Oh, they were trying to get a little piece of that unicorn. Yeah. Oh, they wanted some unicorn out. Yeah, they want some of our tax dollars.

Yeah, yeah. I get it. Yeah, Julian, we got to find that one. Make sure you combed through it. She hit me on DM and was like, find my voice mail. Yeah, make sure you comb through the voicemails and find that one. All right, we'll try. All right.

We have this one for now. I'll find her name for you. This is Nick from Baltimore. I've called before. I got a question for y'all going off of your debate in your last episode. So I met this girl. We were hanging out.

Probably hung out every day for about two weeks around the Fourth of July time and got to the point where I knew we were both talked. I wasn't talking to other people because that's just how I am. I know what's wrong. But if I'm talking to one bitch,

that's what I'm talking to. but I knew that she wasn't That's love and respect If I follow one bitch I'm trying to play with these bitches I'm a one bitch kind of guy And Am I wrong?

Because she was having She was getting picked up by dudes From my crib I was dropping her off at some dude's place It was getting too fucking much And I just want to let you know I want to figure out if what, like, just by cutting her off,

me cutting her off, was that me being insecure? Or was that just part of the game? Well, the game is the game. And if you didn't have a conversation with her of the, what are we? Hey, I'm just talking to you. Is that something that, like, are we on the same page there? We have never established what this is.

So anything she does without that conversation is fair game, in my opinion, as long as she's not like raw in a bunch of dudes and, you know, bringing STDs back to the crib. But the game is the game. If you don't have a conversation with her, she can do whatever the fuck she wants. Just because you're only talking to her

doesn't mean that you can make up that rule in your head. Like, oh, I'm only talking to her so she can only talk with me. Now, unless you establish that and have that conversation, the game is the game. You're not right. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. But we got to stop acting like,

we all sit down and have that conversation like, hey, what are we? Like, if we, if we here, here banging raw all weekend, you mind. It's the implication. We're not going to play these games. If we bang in raw all weekend and on Wednesday, I go out and see you at a fucking restaurant with some other nigger? Rude awakening for you, Moore. It ain't no rude awakening for me.

It's never rude awakening for me. It's never no rude awakening for me because all of mine's know. if this condom ain't on and I catch you out with another nigga, I'm slapping. All of minds. All of minds. No, not like at the one time. I'm saying like throughout my dating life. They all know that if we're having

So you never rod multiple girls at the same time. What? Who would do that? I ain't no dirty dick nigga out here from the Bronx. You crazy? Not me. I don't play those. Not from the Bronx.

I don't play those games. I don't play those. I don't play that. So I'm taken out of that. I don't play. The other part was. Yeah, I don't play those, I don't play those raw, raw, raw games.

I don't do that. I was never, I'm not coming. No, raw roulette? Yeah, I'm not cut from. Raw roulette. That game, I never was a part of that game. But back to what I was saying, you know when somebody is like, stop acting like we got to have, it sounds great.

It sounds great to sit down over a cup of coffee and say, hey, look, I like you, you like me, what are we doing? What is this? Great. It's great to have that conversation for clarity. And, you know, so everybody's on the same page. I get it. But in the event that you don't have that type of conversation,

I still think that you know when you and somebody are like, okay, this is the person that I'm with. This is a person that I'm fucking with. I'm not fucking nobody else. My time is spent with this person when I'm not working, when I'm not with family. This is the only person that I am intimate with. There's the only person who I am sleeping with. I'm in their house.

They're in my house. Like, you know, bro. You spend enough time. know like, all right, when does this person ever have time to be laid up with somebody else? Like, okay. Oh, niggas are find a way, won't they? Y'all are fined away, too. I got some stories.

Women are better at finding a way. Y'all love finding a way. Y'all love finding a fire in a way. You know, I hate it here. It ain't way switching nothing around. We're just keeping it even on both sides of the table. But where he is wrong, though, I hate it here. If we're going off a percentage, men, we will be the first person to be like, yo, we never said we were dating?

Why you even asked me? Like, I'm fucking. We invented that. That's what I'm saying. So you sound a little hypocritical if we're going off gender No, no, because I said We are the kings of that.

I said at the top. I said at the top, you are right. I said you're not wrong. You're not wrong. Have that conversation. You're not wrong. I'm just saying, we got to stop acting like.

Niggas is not saying will you be my girlfriend? Will you be my boyfriend? Niggas ain't doing that. We just look up one day and it's like, I got mad shit in your crib. Sometimes they just happen like that.

I got mad shit in your crib. You got mad shit in mine. I'd have been to four family events with you. All right. I'm picking a girl a family of them. You're not even making it.

See, but this is, and this is where I say people need to create these boundaries because I'm queen like, yo, so what we doing here, man,

for real? People use that. Because I'm squeezing your nut out of my vagina right now. So like, what we doing? Ah, come on.

What are we doing? We're at work. You know what we doing. What are we doing? We ain't here fucking. That's what we're doing. We ain't here fucking. You know what we doing.

What? Oh man. You know, oh, I love it. I love it. I love them type of relationships. What we doing? You know what we, stop playing with me and go get the rag and put a little bit of soap on that. That gets rid of it. Well, no, we clean me up. We're good. Julian is damaged. No, because I'm such a visual person. And you saying I'm squeezing nut out of my vagina. It's like hard for me not to picture it. And it's like stop doing that. Too good. I mean, it's fantastic. That has to be an HR crisis of you envisioning that. Yeah. I'm in the wrong. She said it. We're potting. Like, now you're envisioning my pussy. We were potty. You just said, all right. It's an audio experience. Yeah. It's a journey. All right. So,

all right. I just, I just Peter Northard face, like, then we'll go get a coffee and talk about if we should spend Thanksgiving together. You just took it too far. How? One is safer than the other. You comparing yourself to Peter North is kind of great. Kind of wow. Roepstroke.

Sir, what is his name? The gentleman's name that's looking for advice. I think it was Rick. Can we get a where is, where are they now with Peter North? No, we don't need that. I don't care. I'm kind of curious if he's like, okay. I mean, have you a homoerotic thought? What is Peter Dorr that's up to? What's homoerotic about wondering if he's okay? He's a male porn star and you're wondering where he's at right now. He's 60-7. I mean, he was a major part of the culture.

No, I'm, no lies told there. I'm not wondering where he is right now in his life. I mean, I just hope he's okay. Oh, wow. Did you guys know he initially performed gay porn? No, I know. Wow. Talk about a switch. Quiet as kept, and apologies to the porn culture. I don't think I ever watched a Peter North. Yes, you have.

He was always like a pop-up ad when I was doing my porn shit on my gateway computer. Oh, you were like late to the porn game. Yeah. Peter North is like... No, I know he's a late, but he was always like a pop-up. He was like the face of porn. Oh.

I never like went to his catalog. He's like the Barry Bonds. So he was juicing, is what you're saying. He might as well. But you would hope he was. It was crazy. He was juiced. What?

Gentlemen, sir, whatever your name is. Had that conversation with that girl. I'll make that assumption. Had that conversation, but I, but he already cut it off. He said he cut it off. Oh, he cut it up. She was having guys pick her up at his place.

He was dropping her off. Oh, no, no, no, no. He said he was dropping her off at guys' places. No, no. See, see. Oh, he's a, he's, he's, he a food, nigga. Yeah, he, he might as well get out and bring a foldable chair and watch them fuck.

Yeah, you're doing too. I don't know what you doing. fan, but that ain't having her, have guys come pick her up from your place? Yeah. And vice versa. And you dropping her off to guys' house? What's going on in a dating pool

out here right? I told you it has chlamydia pissing it and y'all think that I'm playing. Like, the niggas is cool with just dropping the chick that they just finished smashing off at the next due house? That's insane. Like, when did that become like you're now about to drop over her other crib so I could go pick up my other chick? Like,

what is that? That's what they're, everybody is fucking. Chicken salad. Don't look that bad right now. Do it. Yeah, that's crazy. If that's what's going on, man, let's see. Imagine dropping a girl off at another guy. Knowingly. Knowing, like, you want to do that. Like, yeah, no, I got you.

Well, you know, bookbag bay, she had a nigga drop her off. That's not what happened. For me, the game is the game in that. Just because he wasn't in a car, didn't mean he didn't drop her off. He just walked. That's New York dropping off. Yeah, he dropped off. That's not game because I fucking, I didn't walk her to his.

I said, get the fuck out of my apartment. that he walked her. You put her without housing. Pretty much your ice spice. I'm house her. I am ice spice. She was the run running game. She had one of her dudes.

Yeah, she had one of her dudes drop her off. She had one of her dudes drop her off at her other dude's house. She was running game. She was. Yeah. And she got caught because you just happened to be going outside to pick up some food. And you know she probably lied to him as well. Oh, 100%.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One day I'm going to tell y'all how this boy had me waiting in his house for him to come home. he was out on a date. And I found out because he accidentally called me through the car phone and Shorty was like

your phone's ringing. What else is the game? What else are you going to tell us one day? Why haven't we told that story? We bring up backpack, bitch. I like having like, you know, dignity. It's gone now.

Tell the story. You just told her. I just told her. Did you stay? To the story? When the call happened, did you stay or did you leave? You stayed.

The world may never know watch find out on the next episode of Jack and Ballet. The Maris stayed. She definitely. But you know, he probably got off some like, yo, some good, that was my home girl game. That was my cousin. He said it was, yeah, I think he said it was his guy sister.

I don't know who. Yo, God sister's crazy. I've never hung out with my mom. I bring God into the mix. You, God's sister. I'm lying. I should stay my God's sister all the time in Canada. But I'm never telling her girl.

I hang with my God's sister every weekend. She has kids. So yeah, that's different. I think he was dropped, he allegedly he was dropping her off somewhere. But I found out later. All right, I've never dropped my God sister off anyway. I can see that. I've never done that.

You, my gosh, this is just... How long did that lie last? Because he obviously was fucking... A year. A year. A year? He told me that later a year. It was a year later. Oh, he told you a year after that.

Yeah, because he forgot that he told me the lie. And I was just like, yeah, you did that. He was like, yeah, that was fucked up. Like, he forgot he told me to lie. He thought I just figured the lie out. What was the date? You good? I'm just asking.

Are you good? Like, he was whining and dining in his god's sister? Oh, you said, oh, I thought you meant like the date. Like, calendar. No, no, no, no. What was the date that he was on? him on. Oh, I don't know.

He never told me that. Like, did he get back home and you're like, yo, you hungry? And he's like, no, he was like, yo, when I get back home, you better still be here. I had a crib. I could have just left. He was like, nah, you should still be here. Oh, that's pimping. That's nice.

Listen, when I get home, you better still be. And you better have that. He just left the steakhouse. You better have that shit on. You know what I want to see you in. You still, you hungry as shit. He falls as fuck. You're on different eating schedules.

I ain't never been in the house. I haven't ever been in the house. I haven't been hungry, baby. You got the wrong bitch. Having a chick just sitting in your crib and you with another chick. That is, that's fucking wild. That's fucked up. That is fucked up.

That's wild. See, I just, it's just, you don't have to live like that. You don't have to live like that. That's why I don't understand. They like it. You don't have to live like that. It's an ego boost. That's just too.

It's just too, but it's too like, it's too many things that can go wrong in that. Yeah. Like, why would you even set yourself up for the wrong to happen? And also like, what if you smoke the date? Is she ready? what if she got a pee Yeah Roy What if she got to pee?

What if she down? She's like, yo, can I use the bathroom? I got a pee. Roy's ankle but what if you could have gotten her cheeks? Yeah, like what if she's ready

to go back? Yeah, like what if she like, yo, it's parking right here. Like, yo, what's up? It's parking. New York, that's a thing. That's crazy. In New York, yo, your nigga

pull up and it's parking right in front of the building, it's like, my, you got to get to the pussy. You got to give me the pussy. What the fuck? This don't happen. You don't just pull up and find parking. Refraise that sentence just for the listen to.

If I'm on a date with a girl that I'm seeing and I pull up to her house and if you live in New York City and the five boroughs, you know how hard it's to find convenient parking on any street. Of course. True. So if I pull up to her house and there's a parking spot in front of her building, she has no choice. She has no choice. Yeah. I still feel like there's bitches that owe me sex. crazy bar in retrospect

I definitely feel like that I feel like that I know what Kanye was trying to say but in this climate that's a crazy bar fuck the climate I know what he was trying to say I don't care about what the climate

I know exactly fuck the climate there's plenty of chicks that we were supposed to fuck and we never ended up fucking yeah and they know it too as girls that say

there's some things that owe me dick Damara DeMaris say it all the time I don't not say that all the time you don't put that all the time don't put that on me I do not say that all the time not only

all camera You said it one time. He said you say it all the time. Off camera. All camera. She just be walking by your niggas owe me dick. She almost says that too much. Y'all got me fucked up.

Too much. Niggas owe me dick. I ain't going to lie. What they say? What they say in Tinkrat commandments? You bugging the fuck out. I don't know that bar. There's no dick bar.

No. You're thinking of a different biggie song. Ain't you going to pay me later. Now. I hear that. Now. I need mine now. If I find parking in front of your building,

it's no way I'm just. driving past the spotting car line, right? Yeah, I'm not going home. You bugging. Well, you could park there and sleep there because if I ain't give you pussy, I ain't give you pussy. I don't, I don't go fuck. Who can park? That we'll never hang out again.

See? No. It's that fast. I'd be like, all right. You ever anticipate the pussy so much that you purposely, illegally park and are fine with the consequences. Oh, I've done that. I've ended up in Brooklyn Navy Yard. Take the ticket.

Many of weekends. Like, you know what? Fuck it. I can't wait to come downstairs and see that orange ticket sitting on the windshield. Oh, I'm talking about like a tote. I don't give a fuck. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, we ain't doing that. As long as it's there, I don't care about the ticket on the window.

Don't let the car not be there. That's when the whole shit wasn't worth it. But if it's just a ticket, I mean. $60 pump, $65? Eat that. The tickets are cheaper in the garage. Not for a pump. Oh, not for a pump.

No, not for a pump. Double parking. But that's when you do my move. To put an old ticket in death. That don't work. It's been working for Rory for a couple years, though. No, what you need to do is steal a ticket from a car nearby. Take it, put it under yours.

That's a great strategy. They get in way more trouble because they have an unpaid parking ticket. But you have a brand new, like, as of today, timestamp parking ticket. Yeah, wow. That's a really selfish, great strategy. He's not, you're not cooking. He puts a actual fine, not a ticket to pay for the meter. No, no, no.

I'm saying like if. Yeah, I put a parking ticket. No, he's saying if somebody around you already got a ticket. Yeah, take that. Go get that their ticket and put it on your dad. has the time, it has the date. It looks like it happened to them. They're not looking that hard. But now you're getting, what? Now you're getting

cops a lot of credit. Yeah. A little Bangladeshi dude in his shirt three times too big for him. Like, you're not reading all that. Are you okay? They look just like you. That felt like self-hate. Yeah. Like, you never see them waddling around so, their shoes are like... They look like you. They don't look like you. They don't look like me. Yes, they do. If I put you in a fucking little

ass hat with a shit, with a fucking... Do it. Do it. Let's do it. With a bad on it and a fucking hat. Do it. Lie the thing. It'll shoot. It'll be a skit. Ha, ha.

I don't look like that shit. We're not, no, I don't. I mean, with the natural hair. No, well, yeah, well, yeah, with the hair, yeah. No, but if you put the hat on with the shield under the badge on the front? The shield. Hell, yeah. You'll fucking a meter maker maker.

All right. All right. Yeah, that's all. Don't do that mic right now. All right. Thank you. You cannot be doing what you're doing. Oh, I'm sorry.

Oh, my God. Y'all are going to hell. Yeah, all. 300. Listen, I understand people would be offended. But I feel like they even think their accent might be funny. Bro, there's no way. And they know that they all hire them.

I love it. It's nepotism. We don't talk about the... Nepotism of the T-Mobile. It's customer service. Of the Indian workers with meter maids, they're all from the same country. All of them. They got a monoply on.

One of them got an HR and it started hiring all of them for 30 years. I like that type of shit. I think that's dope. Like, yeah, fuck that. Fuck that. So what's the black job? What do we hire like our niggins in? What do we hire?

our niggas in? Yeah. Well, your man coined the phrase the black job. Yeah, you know what black

jobs are. I don't. Physical education teachers. Yeah. Yeah, right? Track, track coaches too.

Hmm. Yeah, but you had to have grand track. See, I had some physical ed teachers. These niggas

ain't never been physical or had no education. Wait, so I said, nigga, you won't work release. Oh, you just gave you this job.

Like, you ain't no physical education teacher. Wait, so every PE teacher you've had has been black? Except for one. Mine have all been old white ladies.

Yeah, I've had a mixed bag from elementary school to high school. Really? I've had white ladies. I've had black ladies, white guys. They just throw anybody in there that's in the teacher system. Before my dad had a mishap with Manhattan College the same way I did in my life. He was a PE major. Oh, yeah? Yeah. If I would have walked in my high school gym and seen Jake sitting there out of black, man, I ain't doing nothing this period.

I ain't doing shit He always tells a funny story Because he was When he was at Manhattan College And that was his major He did like a summer program In the Bronx Like one of those

Summer camps Of physical activity And he used to have to take The black kids Through the Italian neighborhood And they all like 30 of them Would try to grab onto his shirt They would be so fucking scared

Walking through the Italian neighborhoods of the Bronx To go to camp That's funny? No Oh okay I don't like Italian at all. He's like, I'm reiterating what I think. I think Italians are awful human beings.

As an Irish man, yeah, I think they're awful. My dad was scared too. They're like, I don't know what the fuck you nigger is grabbing on me for. I'm terrified too. Sorry, all right, my bad. See, I took it too far. Do we have another voicemail? Did you ever take the pacer test? Sorry, am I aging myself? Yeah, I was very good at that. Yeah. Y'all took it? More, you took it? Or is that a us thing? I don't know if that was y'all. Wow. Oh, okay. What would the laws equivalent be to the... We had the SATs and the Regions.

Oh, man. We had SATs and Regions. The Pacer was... Pace of the gym. Was the SAT for gym? Like... Oh, no, we didn't have it. You had to run in between beeps.

Back and forth. Back and on the line. It's like red light without the red light and green light. Never did that day in my life. Oh, wow. But you went to like a choir high school. Went to Performing off.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, y'all was enjoying. You had to stop singing when the beep went off. No, that's when we started singing. It was holding a note. That was the metronome count us in. The pacer test sounds like a metronome. Yeah.

So it kind of does, especially when it gets fast. All right. Next voicemail. Here we go. Brandon. Hey, Rory. Maul, Julian de Maris. This is Brandon from the DMV.

Brandon, what the fuck do you want, man? So I was a late bloomer when it comes to looks. I wasn't really ugly, but girls didn't really start paying attention to me. until after I graduated college and started getting down the real world, I'd say about 22, 23 years old. From that point, I'm my life did a complete 180. And their attention, I was not receiving versus than what I am receiving. So as most late bloomers do, when they started getting attention from people, they just start going crazy. And I'm sure you know how the rest of that goes.

So right now, I'm 29, probably 30 by time. You read this. Udy Klapper. I'm having trouble trying to shake the lustful aspects of my personality where I just see others in a lustful manner. And I'd like to be at a start taking my relationships more seriously. All my close friends are either married, engaged, or meaningful relationships. But it feels like I can't seem to shake just lusting after people.

So my question to y'all is, at what age do you shake off the lusting after people and started taking your relationships more seriously in that maturing aspect. So whenever you can get back to this, appreciate y'all. Love the pod. Have a good one. Well, the boys should answer this because I'm a girl, so I've been one to be married. Well, I appreciate. You've never lusted, right?

I appreciate Brandon calling it with that. Man, we still lying through 300 episodes. It's all twin flames and soulmates, right? It takes a lot for somebody to admit that they're in a lustful, very horny stage, which we've all had. Does that take a lot? Can I be respectful, but offensive to him? This is a classic case of someone that never got pussy and I was just getting pussy and

doesn't even know what to do with it because it's such a new experience to him and he wants to fuck everything around him because he never had access to pussy ever in his life so he does know how to handle it. That's what he said. Yeah. And then he's saying, okay, I did that. I'm over it. He's not saying he's over it. He's saying, how do I switch? He says, how do I switch?

He's saying, okay, did it? How do I? No one can tell you how to do that switch. You have to be ready. Yeah. Well, he's want to make. I think he asked that like when does it start to like you start to well he's to ask for you guys when did it. He said is there an age to it. There is no age. There's no age to it because I mean I know some dudes in the 50s that still dogs. They out here trying to hunt you too. You've been slamming clams since 93. I don't I don't be out here just fucking it was way before 93. No shit since 72. When you lost your virginity mall?

Uh, 97? 97. 96. Yeah. 96 97. Yeah. Let's see your little mermaid came up. You lost Virginia when Pock and Big were alive. That's crazy. Wow. You know, I wasn't familiar with your game. I've been, been fucking. Fucking the juicy is crazy.

Wallo was on the radio. I'm from the honor. Like not on the throwback channel. Honorable Class of O'Fourn. Graduated with honors. Yeah. I think that you just get to a point where, you know, well, it's good that he recognizes that he is,

just in a lustful stage. Because some people don't even recognize that. They just out here running around going crazy. So he recognizes that. Sounds like he wants to move with a little more intention when it comes to dating and not just be a physical sexual thing. I just think that when you meet the right person and, you know, you feel like I don't want to just, I don't want this to just be a physical thing. Like, I want to kind of like, you know, hang out with this person, get to know them a little more. obviously it's a sexual attraction.

But you'll meet that woman that you feel like, I don't want this to just be a physical hit-ed and just like a lustful relationship. I really care about this woman. I want to, like, be a partner. I want to like learn about her, help her grow together, you know, learn about each other's, you know, goals and try to help each other achieve those things and things like that.

Once you meet that person that you really are into, you really like, away from just a sexual physical thing, I think that you'll naturally just, you know, move out of that just lustful state. But some people do meet that person but still have that lust factor to them. And that's where cheating happens and disrespect and everything like that. You have to treat lust similar to a vice to some degree. Like you have to have discipline within it. Lust is never going to go away.

Like even if you think your girl is an angel, facts are the facts. everyone has lust. It's just not acting on it and it's being respectful. Like you just have to have the discipline to say, all right, I no longer want to act on these urges.

That's really what it is. You're not just going to meet your soulmate and then all of a sudden lust disappears. And on top of that, you won't even know that you met your soulmate because if you're in a lustful mind state,

you're looking at this person, you're objectifying them lustfully. You're not even, you won't know that that person was your soulmate because you didn't even try to connect with this person. And you didn't even try.

You didn't try. Like, dating and the concept of trying to find your person takes effort and work. It's not like you just walk into a bar and you meet these growing people like, oh, it was just love at first sight. If you're a lustful person, everybody is love at first sight because every fine girl you see you're going to be attracted to. But you have to get to know people. And then you get to know, oh, I didn't even know this girl was funny or, oh, I didn't know she was quirky in this way. Or, like, you have to want to get to know people and be looking to get to know people as people. And even like, as someone that like went through the.

lust phase too. The way like alcohol has the hangover the next day where you've like you had a blast but you feel like shit. You start to get into the lust hangover even right after when you go to the bathroom look at yourself in the mirror like what the fuck am I doing? You have to remember

you need a few of those moments. You need that because that helps with your discipline of when you have lustful moments or when you know that certain. As soon as you act on it it isn't like this is not going to be worth anything. Hibust is never going to go away. A butt might stink. But my stink.

Buts do be stinking. Yeah, sometimes it happens. Well, that's what, I mean, butts, if you go through the anatomy. If you go to the steak house. I never, they never, I was like, how does your butt never smoke? That's because they're wiping with which hazel or before that. They're doing spells on their ass. Before they let you go anywhere near their ass, they're wiping their ass.

Which hazel mall? I wipe my ass with which hazel sometimes. If my hemorrhoids start like flaring up. What? You get, what? We just know way too much about each other. It's hemorrhoids. natural.

So is pushing cum out of your vagina? Why is that where my mind went to? Because those are two exits. Because you got a white and off white. You look like cum right now. Damn, you look like nut. I look like DeMaris's nails. Like thick nut.

This is not cum white. First of all, this is linen. These are linen. Yeah. What does linen have to do with this? Well, it's not, it's linen. It's not cum. So I'm letting you know.

Well, what the fuck you got Michael Jackson shoes? What's going on? I don't think your pants were made a coat. Thank you for trying to convince us that you weren't wearing crystalized cum. Gentlemen, sir, whatever your name is,

Brandon. Is that his name? Yeah, I'm with him though. Yeah, man, just, you get pussy to you side.

Because I'm in that phase. I fuck with, like, what he's saying, I resonate with. Like, I lay bloomer type shit, like,

oh, you didn't get pussy in high school? Hell no. Well, I also, I also was not attracted to anyone. I grew up in Schenectady. You're fucking,

ugh. No, I've seen some pieces of, gross. Those are some pieces disconnected. We don't go. Go find them. It won't see.

Some up there. But I, college did what I ran fucking rampant and then adulthood since then. And now you're still out here just. And yeah, now, you know, since I've been 17. So now it's like,

all right. Like, God. Like, where it's, where is it in? I'm like LeBron at this point. Like, when do I hang it up?

But I'm still putting up a triple double. Every time I see LeBron put up another stat I think about it. Is that, was that his 10th block? But Julian. And that's why, like, if you're... Too much, pussy. Too much ass.

Too good. No, but I feel them because, like, I, the hurdle you have to get to what Demaris is saying is, you have to stop approaching every girl or any girl that you meet or match with or however you're meeting women as, like, a singular, I want to, like, knock this down. I want to achieve, I want to just have a moment with her. You need to, like, do that. You can do that, but then also take her seriously as a person and carry the next phase of that. Have the conversations.

You're going to meet that one girl that you're going to like on a level that you've not liked any other. But you have to challenge yourself to even welcome that phase. For sure. It sounds like he's ready for that. It sounds like he's waiting for that to happen. He wants to know that. That's back to discipline because I used to subscribe to the, yo, knock out as much pussy as you can in your 20s so you don't have a midlife crisis and cheat on your wife. Like get it out of your system.

You don't get it out of your system. You form more of a habit of just fucking. casually and just fucking new people, new pussy. Like, you're just on to the next high. So I'm glad he's saying now, yo, I don't really want to do this. Don't try to fuck as many girls as you can because you'll just form a habit, no offense, Julian, that you'll be sitting there swiping and moving on to the next chick rather than valuing the sex that's in front of you.

You got to get, you know what it is? You got to get a girl that you're really attracted to and just make her like your homie and have that relationship with the fine girl that's like, y'all, we're not having sex. Like, this is my homie. We hang out. We kick it. She talks to me about women. And I talk to her about my home boys and what we're going through.

And she's like that with girls. Have that type of relationship. Never cross that physical boundary with her. Just feel what it feels like to be around a beautiful girl that you're super attracted to, but you will never, ever cross that line. I'm all over here, like, show yourself that women are humans and that they have more to offer then they're vagina. That won't sound

like a fetish. Like you just waiting it out with her. No, I'm just saying you have to develop a relationship. And then you find that parking spot outside of her crib. No,

you have to be just buttering her up for the next year. You have to develop a relationship with a girl that you think is cute or pretty. So have a real relationship with another human being is what you're saying.

Yes, but she's got to be hot. We're talking to the guy that's super lovely. No ugly bitch. That's not horny. And I'm saying the more you do that, the more you'll probably

devalue women and look at it just as pussy. So we're saying the same thing. Because you form a habit if you continually just fuck. That's not what I'm not. No, that's not technically, the mall's not saying that. Treat a woman like a human. Mall's saying he, mall's assuming this man has no women that are just purely

friends in his life. I will no, I'll shoot him to bail. I'll shoot him in bail because if we're projecting that I'm the same as this guy, well, pod jokes. I have a lot of I've said it on this show and you guys make fun of me. I say I have a lot of girlfriends. You're like, that's good. You say girlfriends, but I do. I have a lot of friends that are just

girls that I hang out with, get drinks with, like, Demaris included. I'm not a teacher, so I can't call on you. I keep, no, I have my hand up because I really, I want you to guys to get through this, but I really want to know being that, like, I would really want to tell you guys something really important for our 300th episode. Y'all have ruined my outlook on men. I was already dark and twisty. I'm about to say, don't put that on me.

But y'all have really like, you know, dating history based on what you told me before these 300 episodes. Listen to, to, I didn't, I haven't dated a man from Syracuse in over 10 years. That shit that you did what in Syracuse? I haven't dated a man from Syracuse in over 10. Yeah, but Hiroshima's feeling repercussions years after the bomb went off. So a ripple effect.

Consider me ice spice security. I'm not carrying your fucking baggage. You cannot put that shit on us. That's right. What's the fucking you're talking about? Four plus four. Your outlook on men is not our fault. And let me talk.

Seven plus one. Y'all be sitting here. Like, so I have male friends or whatever. And I think that sometimes my male friends, especially because I was younger and like they really didn't want to fuck me up. like they weren't as like honest they were honest but they weren't as like just raw about shit because we talk on a podcast so sometimes y'all aren't even aware of what y'all are saying

I'd just be listening like sitting here like wow men are awful fucking human beings it's so funny the fans say that I hate men but like I didn't hate men until I got here when I got here and y'all started talking about how awful men are all the time you had toxic when you first met me I hate men or was I like not even helpful you had toxic relationships with men before this podcast. But I didn't think it was all men. I thought it was just them. I thought it was just them.

That's your fault. Yeah, that's your fault. That's your fault. That's your fault to think of it was also a terrible bad equation that the three of us would speak for all. You thought that you was just with the only toxic niggas in the world? Yeah, like I thought like, why would you? That's like the argument where it's like not all cops are bad.

It's just like the three that shot the kids with the toy gun. It's like, yeah, but like the system is bad. Like men are just bad. They have a tough job. Yeah. Who's to say? But I never thought like that. I was just like, damn, like, I keep picking the wrong ones.

And it's like, now I realize I could bob my head for them apples all day. They all got worms in them. Like, goddamn. Yeah, but at what point? But we got those worms from women. At what point? You got show worms. At what point, though.

It happened one time. That's crazy. Wait, you got worms? At what point do you say. Roy, wait, Roy has active ringworms. That's crazy. That's nasty. As a grown man had wingworms?

That's crazy. There was a wrestling team at my high school, and they got all the ringworms. Those mats are filthy. Those mats are gross, yeah. But Damaris, at what point do you say it might be you? Okay, well, first of all, I take full accountability for the fact that I pick terrible men. Do you? You ain't going to, yes, I do.

I take full accountability for that. I pick terrible men. And how much of the toxicity do you put into the relationship? Okay. See, you're changing the subject. I'm just asking. I'm not a toxic. person. I'm not a toxic person. This has been a great, which is 300. I deal with

300. This has been a great episode. None of us have accountability. This has been a great I'm sitting up here taking accountability. Have I been in toxic relationships? Have I been in toxic situations? I have. My relationships have my actual relationships are not toxic. It may be toxic after this has been a great 300th episode. I don't want to listen. I don't want to listen. London. We will be in London. September. 18th tickets September 18th in London

tickets on sale now at new Rorymall.com I have a quick question though what Yolms do you think all men are trash How give me a percentage my baby she'd be at the podcast I ain't trash I'm sitting here

percentage yomes Yo are we trashed let's ask I'm not yes I'm not trashed We've done trashed things but I don't think overall Thank you Yeah it was lustful facts

I'm Brandon from wherever he's from I'm not a trash nigga I know that I don't I don't treat women like shit I definitely do not you yeah you've been fucking with the wrong tea yeah you niggas is detox for sure have your stomach rubble in your soul

I've certainly made my mistakes before that I own up to and God is still working on me I'm an incomplete project You can tell when niggas go to therapy boy Roy got the fucking draw four card in his back pocket though You're not a unfinished project You're an Irishman in the chair

Don't bring up the draw four pocket Just shut up Julian. Some things don't need to be said. We know why Rory is fucked up. We know why he's fucked up. We don't need to bring it up. We're not going to joke about it. Oh, wait. He made like molesting jokes. I said you got life's draw four card in your back pocket. That's my get out of jail free card for everything that happened in my life. Look, this happened to me. What are you going to say about it? I never used that car. I would pull that shit all the time. Yeah, because you're not a piece of you. If I tripped on the sidewalk. That would be a crazy thing to say to a woman like, listen, I was unfaithful, but it's because.

Yeah. I can never even get those words out of my mouth. I pulled this up before we close. This was Mall said he lost his virginity in 97. These were the top chart songs that were charting at the end of 1997. So you were clapping cheeks to Elton John and Jules. Jewel. No, clapping cheeks to I believe I can fly as wild. No, y'all get to usher though, because that's what I was definitely fucking till you make me want to.

That was that shit. More money, more problems. He sweat, nobody. More money, more problems. Hey, keep scrolling. One of the greatest shares of music. No diggity. That's a fucking.

Every time I call. my eyes by baby face. In my bed by Drew Hill? I was fucking for real. Y'all niggas is fucking to these little drill niggas. How old are you think I am. Yeah, y'all fucking to these little

to the drill wrappers. Wait, yeah. So, Rory, Roy, what year? Pony, genuine. I was fucking to the classic. Roy, what year was it? Pony? A lear the one I gave my heart.

But I've already told you. I lost my virginity to Lloyd Banks. No, no, no, but I just want to look at the chart. Yo, Paul. That's not the crazy. I've been very vocal. about that my whole point.

Okay, well. Saying I lost my virginity to Lloyd Banks is crazy. No, now I see why you thought that was great. I lost my virginity to Lloyd Banks. No. I didn't lose my virginity to Lloyd Banks. Lloyd Banks was playing when I lost my life. Yeah, he was with you.

Okay, got you. This is because I was too nervous to like get up and go change the music. Oh, that's why you called Clemedia. You was fucking the usher burn. I didn't get Chlamydia when I lost my virginia. Oh, Roy lost his virginity. I got Clemidian in 09. I lost mine to Chris Brown, whose girl is that?

that's explained. Oh see, Ushar Byrne would been inappropriate if I got Climedia that year. That's why I'm all, he made the, all right. Oh,

I didn't hear you if you made that joke. You, Roy, freak a leak. Oh. Great record. We don't talk about Pee Pablo enough.

That's one of the greatest songs ever made. You know, Lil Flip Sunshine. That's a good record. I wish I would have lost my virginity to that. One call away is a banger. Damn. me,

myself and I, my boo, look at that run. Are we just going to skip over Christina Milian, dip it low? Oh, wow.

Oh, wow. That's your shit. That's what got you hard. Wait, for sure. That's what got you. My place. Jahim killed this hook. I loved my place.

That's the sick Nelly song. You didn't like that song? I love that song. It's not a bad song. That's just the sick Nelly song. You graduated high school, Julian? 20. I went to school year early, 2010.

Okay. I lost my virginity in 20. Oh, 4 has some music. 11, 2010, 21. Do you guys want to get sad real quick before we close out? Jojo, leave, get it out. This is actually not bad fucking music. Dido, white flag, good record to slow fuck too.

Nobody's... Milkshake. You know, it was really crazy. We looked at, like, this time as being a shitty time in music. These records in one year would smoke the last 10 years. Ten years. Jesus walks. And we used to look at 04 as, like, a bad time in music.

Nobody looked at 0.4 as a bad time of music, or use. That sounds the same. all them all them fucking 90s real hip hop guy oh yeah no fuck that yo Nick Kenon

R. Kelly Gigolo was a fucking joint Step in the name of love came out in 2000 Step in the name of love is crazy that was a time that was fucking

oh four I can't believe that nigga was fucking little girls yo that shit is wow yo want to get to know you yeah it's a banger

shout out more wait de Maris okay before before we just end up reading all these songs what was your I was gonna say to you guys I want to say

your condolences real quick before we get Before we go. Fat man scoop. Condolences to his family. Rest in peace, Fat man scoop. Thank you for everything that you contributed to my life, the culture. I can't say enough good words about Fat Man Scoop.

One time I got a random call when we were the old podcast. It was like one of the few times I ever answered a random number. And I thought it was a prank. Like I thought someone was like doing a fat man scoom. impression. It was really Fat Man Scoop. And not to say we ever had a friendship or relationship, but that was like the coolest moment to me that Fat Man Scoop was on the phone of just like idolizing him for my childhood of who he was as a DJ. And just his voice was everything to me. So that was

definitely definitely a rough one this past week. That video was rough. I came across the video before I got the news. That was rough. Yeah, I'm still on the side of I think it's really fucked up when people share videos like that. No, but that's... I do want to find some beauty in it. No, but that's very respectfully. No, but people got to understand something because that was just somebody that was at the show recorded and they posted that during the show. And it just so happened that they caught that moment and the show ended there obviously and it was, but it was already up.

They didn't know that he was going to die. He didn't know what to pass away. Not the exact person that's not. Not the exact person that filmed it, but it obviously traveled after that once he passed. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was sad. No, I'm not. The person that posted it was really like, yeah, what the fuck.

Yeah, yeah. They was at the show. They didn't know what was really happening. They just happened to catch that moment on camera. I mean this very, very respectfully. And I hope it comes across that way. To find beauty in that tragedy, the last words of Fat Man Scoop to me have some type of beauty to. Yeah.

I agree. Yeah. His life and his career. And I know his family doesn't view him as fat man scoop and his legacy doesn't matter to them in that regard. But to what he contributed to all of us, I did find some beauty in his last moments. If that's what was going to happen, I think Fat Man Scoop would like those to be his last words of how he went out. Again, I mean that so respectfully. I hope that didn't come across.

Rest and peace to Isaac Freeman III, known to us as Fat Man Scoop, hip hop, royalty, a voice that, you know, is forever echoed into the culture. You can't hear some of the greatest hits without hearing Fat Man Scoop's voice, just the energy that he injected into a song, into the culture, a culture that he loved, a culture that he was a major part of, a culture that he helped to build to what it is today. you know it was just a tragic tragic way to pass but like you said rory um in some sense in some silver lining to try to find you know some beauty and tragedy he probably went out the way that fat man's school would go out yeah um and just you know speaking to an audience of hip-hop lovers of the culture um You know, it's unfortunate the way it happened. But, you know, I was taught to never question God in the way things happen. And there's always a message in it.

And I think that, you know, Fat Man Scoop's message was to live life, to have fun, to party, to love each other, come together under this common thing called hip hop, embrace each other, and support each other. and just genuinely have a good time and enjoy every moment because we don't know when it's going to be our final moment. So rest in peace to Mr. Isaac Freeman the third, better known as Fat Man Scoop, and pivoting to another tragic passing. Rest in peace to Rich Homi Kwan.

This happened while we were recording. We didn't really have much time to even process this. I still am not fully sure how he passed. This happened mid- mid-pod. During the, the early reports were allegedly a bad pill or a drug that he took. He died in his home soon. At his house.

So that's as of now, if we're wrong, we're wrong, you know, but as of now, that's the report. Yeah, again, we are recording and did not get the information. So all I have to say here is rest in peace, rich homey Kwan. Condolences. I'm not sure if he had kids or not, but condolences to his family. tragic passing, a tragic story. Legend in his own right. Absolutely.

Control to era, control to melody that is used to this fucking day. We sing lifestyle so much on this fucking podcast. Rich Homi Kwan. Shout out. There's a lot of his DNA in these new kids and how they rap. And a lot of that comes from Rich Homi Klan. So rest in peace to a legend in his own right and condolences to his family. I guess we'll find out more details as they come, but, you know, not to do a damp way to end the pod.

No, I mean, you know, it's part of it. I mean, we, you know, it's part of it. This is part of the deal. You know, we're going to live. It's all about how we live. And, you know, hopefully rich, a rich homie Kwan lived the way he was supposed to. Hopefully his family is, you know, covered at this time of tragic. prayers to them, send positive energy to them, comforting energy to them.

But it is tragic. It is tragic anytime we open our phones and see some of the people that have given us so many dope moments and had so many fun times hearing their voices and their music to learn or to hear that they're no longer with us. There's always a sad time. So regardless of how we passed, it's being reported as an overdose, probably accidental overdose. But either way, it's just a tragic story, a tragic end to a vibrant young life.

So rest and peace, rich homie Kwan, prayers and condolences to your family. And with that being said, you know, let's just always try to remember that, you know, this experience, this journey called life is very fragile, is very brief. and we should take, you know, as much time as we can to make sure that we're enjoying it and that we're doing something that is going to leave a positive impact when we're no longer here and to leave a positive, you know, energy when our physical is no longer here. Which is also crazy before we started recording, me, Julian and Yomes, we're talking about Juice World and Dolph and how talented they both were. Like, that's what, that's why that trip me out, like, even more, we took that quick.

break and Julian was like oh to Richelman Kwan just passed the first thing I thought was like we were just going through Juice Word and Dolph right before we did you know that they were cousins? Juice World and Dolph? I never knew that. And obviously Juice World tragic

overdose Dolph is shooting and it's like this is just like what an awful thing to happen to that family and then maybe not even an hour later this is what happens. Yeah. It's tough man but you know just make sure we're taking care of ourselves man I mean I know we you know this culture, this lifestyle sometimes can, you know, we fall into these vices and these things,

man, that's just not good for us. It's not healthy for us. And, you know, it's easier said than done. But we got to, we got to kind of find a way to pivot away from so much of the vices that we just find ourselves falling into, you know, whether there's drugs, alcohol, you know, whatever it is, man. We got to, we got to kind of find, we got to find a better way to party and enjoy ourselves. So please, If you know, you're one of those people that are, you know, addicted to any type of, you know, anything, just be safe, be careful, get some help, talk to somebody. There's other ways to, you know, kind of cope with pain and trauma and things like that. But we need to find a way so that we don't keep waking up or opening our phones to such tragic passing at such a young age.

It's just something that I think that we can try to work at and do better at as far as protecting ourselves and making sure that. you know, we can kind of live longer because it's enough for seeing young men and young women die at young ages over vices. Like, I'm tired of seeing that shit.

We need to kind of move. We need to move away from that. We need to do something else. So, again, prayers to the family. And yeah, until next time, we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. Enjoy life, live life. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.

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