New Rory & MAL - Episode 311 | Are Journalists Bigger Than Artists?

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

Happy Tuesday Gang! The crew is back after. Long weekend of nothing. We start with some light banter, and then discuss an interesting theory Rory has about the last few releases from the Big 3 not being on DSP's, and how that will affect how artists release music moving forward (09:58). On another side of twitter, Russ got into a war with the journalists about who needs who more - the journalists or the artists. We discuss whether you can maintain journalistic integrity if your interview is sponsored by the artist (28:58). Speaking of journalism in hip-hop, Wayno is currently being criticized for his comments about Dreamville v. TDE after sharing info from private conversations had backstage at Dreamville Fest (57:22). He calls in to stand on business, as well as clear up misconceptions that people might have (1:12:41). GloRilla is given her flowers for her new album 'Glorious' (1:19:12) quickly, before Demaris and Mal get into a spirited discussion about which one of them is the bigger gaslighter (1:27:13). Comment and let us know who you think it is. We have voicemails! The first is from a woman who is married but still in love with her ex and wants advice on how to move forward (1:22:58), and the next is from a teacher is trying to figure out a way to make certain inappropriate slang stop being used in her classroom (1:46:30). We also discuss Bronny & his dad's first game together, Bow Wow's comments on Diddy missing from the black Hollywood scene, Ty Dolly $'s viral track leak, + more!For MORE Rory & Mal, make sure you subscribe to our Patreon community, for exclusive episodes, first access to tickets and merch sales, private live chats with the team, + more! https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalFollow Rory: @ThisIsRoryFollow MAL: @MAL_ByTheWayFollow Demaris: @DemarisAGiscombeFollow Julian: @Julian__nicholas To watch the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALYouTube Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMAL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. And we are back. Top of the week. Who's excited? October is flying by. I cannot believe we already halfway through this month. My favorite month, might I add.

Your ball, baby? Well, no, I was born in May, but October tends to have my favorite weather. You look like you took your first steps in full, though. May. May. No, you were walking by then. I mean, I appreciate the confidence. Six months in?

No, he was on. You don't walk by? Amara was like nine or ten months. She was early. So, I mean, I appreciate that. But, no, I was probably still crawling. But, like, through the leaves. Because I love the fall. Yeah, folios.

We've actually gotten some good weather, I feel like, in October. Yeah, it's been nice out. I can't complain about the weather. It's sunny, but, you know, a little breezy. That was so insensitive. That was so local. Was it? There's been awful weather for the past.

I know, like, five weeks. A third of this country is underwater right now. Oh, my God. I'm such a selfish fuck. Good sweater weather up here, though. Yeah, I've had my pumpkin splice. Cute outside. Dicking flicks.

How was your weekend? It was good. It was cool. Quiet, calm. I was in family mode. Had everyone in my house. Did painted pumpkins. Oh, that's nice.

What she paint? Her face. Amara completely missed the pumpkin. Oh, thank God. You were talking about Amara. Oh. Where is your mind going? I said it was a family weekend where we were painting.

Oh, you went there? You're nasty. Ew. Stop listening that Glorilla album. You just said nothing. We didn't really do nothing. Like I just paint.

And you was like, what do he paint? You said her face. You never mentioned Amara. I thought he was asking what Amara painted on the pumpkin is what I never mentioned Amara. You just said painted her face. What do you think me and my mom just painted pumpkins?

Oh my God. You're making it weirder. Painting face. That's what she's. She's not referring to pumpkins. There's nothing sexual about this conversation. I was with my family over the weekend. It's around Halloween.

We painted pumpkins with the children. with the children in our family, painted pumpkins. And Amara took the paintbrush, and instead of painting any pumpkins or any markers on any paper, completely covered her face. Was it paint black? It was very close to it.

But she was really good. It almost like she put blue lipstick on. It was very creepy. I can't lie. Like I saw a demon child and I got really nervous. Did you take a picture? I do have a picture. I mean, obviously we're not going to put it on the screen.

But yeah, yeah, just let me. That's cute, though. The internet will find it in 20 years. Show her black face. Yeah. Big red lips. They'll find it. It's in your phone now, but it'll be on the internet in 20 years.

Would you consider that blackface? That was just the beginning. It's more Joker. Yeah, that's more Joker. That's not blackface. You should have seen the end result when I was done, though. I then, I put for her Halloween costume. Oh, okay.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What you land on you have a costume? Get her head of her cancellation. Roy, do you have a costume? Doesn't everyone from Facebook have a blackface photo from when they were in high school? Of course. Do you guys have a group costume yet this year? Yeah, I think we're going to go. We did Ghostbusters last year because she's marshmallow. But she's really obsessed with Mickey Mouse Club now.

So I think she's going to be Minnie Mouse. We're not going to go overthink it. Okay. So who should I be, though? I haven't ordered mine yet. Go straight as Mickey or? No, you should be the big guy, Walt Disney. Duck ass. Duck ass. you be Walt Disney

I like how you're thinking out of the box I never even consider that You should be Walt Disney Kia can go be Donald Duck And I'll be Walt Disney Yeah Especially with the times Exactly

Walter Disney Walter Walter as it is All right we're back We considered that I was going to be Walt Disney And I would just get Just a regular old man suit Yeah

A Hugo Boss jacket Yeah And Kia she can figure it out But yeah What about you guys Halloween plans? You guys too cool for Halloween? People don't dress up anymore.

Well, I thought about it, but I don't know. I don't know what I would want to be for Halloween or who I would want to be. I want to be somebody like... It's a like a current, I guess, figure in a movie or something. I was thinking like that. You should go with Kendrick. There's too many serial killers. It's Kendrick Lamar?

Yeah. No. Why would I do that? He's the boogey man. All right. My bad. Why are you guys giving me bad looks? I'm in a good mood today.

Okay, what would you guys be for Halloween? I have, I have no plans. I want to be a Game of Thrones character, but I don't have the patience and the time to really curate. Like, people really be out here curating looks for Halloween. And I don't have the patience at a time for that shit. So I'm just going to be a whore-ass bunny at the Lotto concert. Just put on lingerie and some bunny ears.

Keep it simple. But I thought everyone in Game of Thrones is like ass naked the whole time anyways. No. Aren't they all bloody outfits? Mad clothes on. Oh, okay. Mad clothes on. Yeah, that's what made those sex scenes so awkward

because they have to take off like 50 layers. They weren't watching this one dude take off armor like piece by piece to have sex. Like bro, pussy dried up by now. I'm not going to do a lot. That's why I used to hate like those Kappa cruises and like the formal events because like I'm not good at taking buttons off. That would be a lot. Bowtide in that top one because it would always be too like slimmer on my neck.

That was always awkward. We'd be in a Kappa at a Halloween party? We would do like formal parties. Like where you actually dress up and, you know, people would consensually fornicate afterwards. And to get out of all of that stuff is tough. Like usually the pussy might be dry when I have to go back into the bathroom in the mirror and try to take off this.

Having to do that in the mirror is crazy. No, just leave it on. Let me choke you with it. Sorry, it's Monday. Happy Monday. My bad. Did you guys do anything over the weekend? Yeah, I had a great weekend.

But Boss was in town and they did a Sudanese fundraiser, which is incredible. Oh, nice. There's an amazing group of women put it together. It was at some amazing events based in Brooklyn. MoMA DJed, boss performed like five or six records. They raised a shit ton of money. Love that. It's really, really fun and educational.

And they were selling paintings and photographs from Sudanese artists. It was like very informative. I learned a lot. danced a lot. It was fun. Yeah, so all the stuff on your IG looked really cool. Was you made her two? Yeah.

So I think the women that were hosting it either either they made it or they had other Sudanese people in the community. to make it, but it was all homemade Sudanese food. And the line, the entire event was wrapped around. Like, it was, I don't know how much food they made, but they fed hundreds of people. It was great. Oh, I love that. Yeah.

After you guys did all the good deeds, what fuck shit did you get into after that? There were, yeah. There were plans to because there's a work life balance there. Yeah. That ended it to, which we stayed to the end. We were hanging out like downstairs before like the let out. And then there was, we were either going to go to disclosure, which was at the knockdown center, which I wouldn't know any of these words

or something. Disclosure is a big, like, DJ group. They're great. Oh, you were talking about the group. Yeah. That was a venue. No, no, no. Disclosure is the group. Yeah. And then there was another thing, but that was further away. And then this is why I love about this crew. We dubbed both of them and just went to a dive bar until they shut down until 4 in the morning.

Nice. It was very nice. It was a good weekend. Beans. Yeah, fiends shit. Demers, you meal prepped. Thank you for bringing in food today. Did you enjoy it? I loved it. It was great. I mean had you're cooking in a very long time. Red beans and rice. Rice. I cooked. I vlogged. Got my vlogging shit off. I, you know, I stayed in the house. I didn't leave. I didn't go go into the gym and Whole Foods. I was in the house this weekend. Oh, and I went to the Knicks yesterday. Oh, yeah. We saw that. We look good. Feet were touching the floor. I was row five. Could you hear what DeVincenzo really said at the line? So, yes. Yeah.

For those that don't know, he was John just traded to the Timberwolves, the Timberwolves. The Timberwolves, playing the Knicks, DiVincenzo yelled something to the Knicks bench while he was shooting a free throw. And Julius, he didn't play. But it was cool. What I love about Julius was like, he was all the old Nick staff, you know, like the people that really are running the show behind the scenes, uh, were all coming up to him. And he was like so happy to like reunite and see everyone again. It was like cool to see them interact with people that they clearly, you know, had form relationships with over the years. Devenenzo was ready for the spotlight, man. He was talking shit all game. Him and Edwards were running the Devo

was pretty much running the point. Edwards was kind of playing the two and I mean Edwards is a fucking Jesus Christ he's gonna dominate the league but it was a really good game they did not play like a preseason game they were all very competitive Cat he'll get like he's there's still flashes of him being a little too soft for my liking but he hit some big threes

we're good the Knicks are gonna be great this year I can go on and on about them but you didn't go to the game to the Knicks game? Yeah no okay that's fuck the Knicks. Well, but the Timberwolves were there. Julius. I'm not Timberwolves, man. Julius. I was going to say, what's your loyalty? Still the Lakers? Yeah, still Lakers fan. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, we suck to it. It doesn't matter. Brody and LeBron played together. I did not watch it at all. And we can get out sports now. Yeah, I watched some of that, the first game that they played together. It was cool to just see that. But Brony, you know, he has a long way to go. And hopefully he'll get there. But he'll have all the support and all the access to get and trained and things like that. But right now he's, you know, you can tell he's still trying to catch up with the NBA game. But, you know, give him grace.

He had a health scare just a year ago. Yeah. Where he didn't, you know, basketball aside, just making sure he's okay health-wise. But, you know, he'll get there, though. But he has a long way to go because I'm looking at some of the other teams, other rookies that are playing. And, you know, they look good. So, Bronte has a, he has a ways to go. But it was cool to see first father-son team.

teammates in the NBA on the floor together. So that was cool. Yeah, still. Over the weekend after we left the studio on Thursday, Rory texted me a conversation that we were meant to have on that last Friday episode, but we're going to have now. The idea that the big three, Cole, Kendrick, and Drake have all been putting out their last few releases have all not been on proper DSP releases,

but doing so on either Twitter or Instagram, kind of releasing it on their own terms on their own pages, which Rory put into this tweet here, if you want to read it, Rory, it's your words. Yeah, I mean, again, we didn't get around to this last week, but this was a conversation that I wanted to have and have been noticing outside of, like, the regular rap beef shit, these guys being the three most important rappers, period right now,

with the most power, the most leverage, the most everything. I think we should also note while we're gossiping about everything else. That the last releases from Cole and Kendrick aren't on DSPs. Drake's last few drops were released on his website first, even if the three biggest rappers aren't getting along, they're all on the same page as far as testing the waters on how we receive music. Even the collag green daylight and J. Cole record,

I saw the ad, it said, available on all DSPs, couldn't find it on a single fucking DSP. Everything is being released away from the machine. And I think that's noteworthy, but also important in what they're doing here with everything that's going on. Not like us, of course, eventually had to get put up there as well as all these other records.

But them doing it this way, I think, is a way to collect data. I think all of them are going to go different routes come release time with their albums, too. I don't know if we're going to get Kendrick's album immediately on DSPs. I don't know if we're going to get the next Drake release, not on 100 gigs. Cole, I can almost guarantee the way they roll out music, that's not going straight to DSPs right away. I think we're going back to more of that SoundCloud, mixtape wave that was of 10 years ago

before we were forced to have to put every last fucking thing onto DSPs. And I think that's going to make shit a lot more fun. There's less clearance samples. There's less politics. When you go that route, you can figure out what works and then put some of the records on DSPs. I think this will make fun again if we can go this route as well. Stoke God, he released his last album on his website.

And Rock Marciano's been doing this forever. I was just, I wasn't suggesting that these guys, and like Drake is the first one to put a website up. You're like, if they're doing it, then clearly. This is the three biggest rappers that you would think no matter what have to put their music up on DSBs. Like, they have stake within DSPs, majors, everything. The biggest moment in hip hop and God knows how long, none of it has been part of DSPs. To the point that we have heard rumors of Spotify trying to make not like us on every playlist and adding it to everyone's algorithm. rhythms. Like, they're trying to make themselves part of this moment. I know every Apple title,

everyone is like, oh, what the fuck? The biggest moment of hip hop, we had nothing to do with it. Yeah. It changes the tide of it. I think that's the most noteworthy thing from this entire battle. What does it, what do you think it does to the industry as far as if the three, the three guys are releasing the music the way they are? What does that mean for the rest of the artist? Do they follow suit? Can they follow suit? There's a lot of people. That's my thing. I don't know. If anyone can shift it in hip hop, it would be these three, obviously. But I don't know if that trickles down to the rest of the music industry because everyone else in the music industry needs the community.

It's tough to put out 100giggs.O.O.com. And have the traffic that Drake has. You're going to miss out, like, just because I'm on this podcast, I'll bring in my album. I know it has nothing to do with this. I wanted to just put my album out without putting out, They said you will reach maybe 20% of your audience if you do it that way. And that's me going to the community.

The DSPs still allow you to put eyes on your music that no one else would see unless it was direct to consumer. So I don't know if everyone can do this. I'm just glad to see the people with power are starting to do it. And not only that, and this is something we had mentioned when we spoke about this before, these guys are also in a very unique situation, obviously with their reach, but also they all don't have labeled deals. They're working for themselves. So they also don't owe it to a major or, you know, anybody else outside of themselves and their teams to service their music anywhere. So the difference is like with Roy is saying, even if you're successful like a theater touring

artist, you still don't have the agency to be like, I don't want to put this out on Apple, Spotify, I want to put this out independently without your label intervening and being like, you're just not going to do that. We're not going to let you have that moment. So these guys are operating on a different level in terms of they can kind of move how they please. We've talked about it before, Rory, if an artist's caliber of a Drake decided to go independent. Yeah. What does that do to the DSPs, first of all, because we know how much he generates to DSPs, whether it's features, whether it's his own music. he's one of the most monthly listen

to artists on DSPs. If he decides to go independent does that cripple the music industry, does that cripple the DSPs? Because we're already seeing signs of people going away from the DSP. Not immediately whatsoever,

but I think in time, if everyone stuck to that, yes, it would cripple. Because if we go back to our TikTok and Universal conversation where we've seen every tech company fold to the music industry because they have the catalog and TikTok said okay we don't give a fuck we don't need the universal catalog which includes Drake and Taylor Swift let's point out two of the biggest artists a tech company said we don't need you

if the biggest artists move forward in this trend yes it would change over time where tech companies wouldn't need to go to DSPs or majors to get anything cleared they can go direct to an artist because they would have their catalogs to sell. So in time, but that would take like 20, 30 years, I feel like. Yeah. But I think this is a cool step because like Julian said, this is the first time all three of them are out of a major deal and in a licensing deal. And I'm not going to pretend like I know anything about their licensing deal,

but I think even with when the party's over, that was the name of the Kendrick song. With the sample clearance there, I don't think anyone that at Universal with his licensing deal wanted to touch it. We can't really profit off it. That's too many samples. But it still went out, sell it to impact.

Same thing with 616. That never hit DSPs. Too many samples on that. I know his licensing deal probably sat there and said, I'm not clearing that shit. What would be the point? I'm not dealing with this back and forth shit.

Put it up on Instagram, put it on YouTube, and let someone else have to deal with it. I think now the licensing companies within Universal are now scrambling to figure out what they would do if artists decide to go this route even within their licensing deals.

If they're not coming out ready to clear it with this budget, no sample music, what's your point here? I don't need you to distribute anything. The fuck I need a license. And the value of an artist traditionally, at least for the majors, the value is always in catalog. So the major labels make like some odd 80 something, if not more percent of their revenue from back catalog. So you're very often, like with these guys, even if it's these new one-off singles, the money's coming from the project Drake Drake dropped 10 years ago. really. Yeah. Which, you know, so even I'm just looking at it, pulled up some quick data. Of the 2010s, from 2010 to 2019, pardon me, Drake was the number one streamed artist with 36.3 billion streams.

Number two being post-Malone with 18.9 billion. So we're looking at, you know, a lion's share of revenue and streaming from DSPs just coming from Drake alone. That's, I mean, I just want to put that out there. So just to clarify, how are the artists benefiting from, or how do you think the artists will end up benefiting from this? Because yes, obviously the data, but what else? How else are they getting paid? Like currently with what they're doing right now, I think the only thing is straight up testing the waters to see how it's received, how many people see it, if it affects the casual fan, if they see it. It's really about eyes, I think, at this point. What age groups are going after it, I think it's just data collecting. And what a

perfect time to use a rat beef where everyone's clicking everything because they want to see the next gossipy fucking bar. So it's a perfect time to at least, with the most traffic, figure out if this is something that can work and to have conversations with Instagram, have conversations with Twitter. Elon's putting up full fucking episodes. He's a whole news network with Tucker Carlson puts his shit out on Twitter. You put a whole album out on Twitter right now. I think everything is just shifting once you get out of these slave deals that you can just try shit. to see what happens. And I think they're already talking to tech companies.

I could see TikTok has exclusive rights to use my sounds for this album and no one else. You may not actually receive the album on there, but that's the only app where you can use on your video for Jay Cole's new album. I think that's where things are shifting. It's going to be interesting to see, you talk about licensing. It's going to be interesting to see how they integrate AI into these deals. moving forward. Like when an artist, you can use his likeness or you can license his likeness where he's not even, they say, oh, we're going to put you on this song with this artist,

but you don't have to come to the studio. You don't have to like, we got a writer. I mean, well, we're going to use your likeness. We're going to brand it as it being you. It's going to sound just like you. Because I think that's where a lot of this shit is going. And I think that's like a separate licensing deal in itself. Like, all right, you can license my music and my catalog to do with what you want if you want to be able to sell that to TikTok if you want to be able to sell that to other apps. I think there will be a whole AI licensing agreement to. You can use my voice with these writers and I get to approve this song, this verse, and it can say featuring my name. Right. Which I don't know what that looks like. I'm not that deep in the

music industry to know what they're going through right now with that because that has to be a thing. Oh, it's definitely a thing. Of course. We're hearing it. I'm just curious if that's going to be folded into a regular deal. Is that a whole new publishing company? Like that's a that's another part of it. Like if I'm in a pub deal, which has to do with what I write in my music, what's this AI deal where you're using my name and my voice as likeness and someone else is writing it and you're pushing it through your program. That has to be, that's a whole new publishing company to me. I think that it, you know, a couple years ago when everybody started to sell their catalogs. And I remember we were talking. We were like, why is everybody doing this? And that made sense.

to sell your catalog so that you know you can only have you don't have to do with one person that owns all of it if you ever want to do anything with the music we that was a part of it but i also feel like uh even coming up to you know the ds uh the way artists are not releasing on ds right away they have their websites or whatever i think all of this is connected somehow i think it's tied in some way obviously it's things that we're not privy to yet but i do think it's interesting to watch these things happen in real time and then connect them to what have already happened. Because they tried the AI thing with that artist that was, what was it, the white, the white rapper. Yeah. Remember they tried that year ago. They tried that. Everybody kind of like frowned at that. Like, that's a little weird. But they're already showing us like, by the time we see it, they've already had these meetings and these conversations for at least two, three years. Yeah. So whatever is happening now, whatever's going on in those rooms now, I think that we're just starting to see some of the, the, the, the, the breggrums of a change coming in the way artists release music, the way artists create music

and the way we have to go and receive music. And again, I'm really not trying to have a specific artist conversation or who's charting more or whatever. But that's kind of my point. Like, circadian rhythm, that's the name of the Drake song, right? Circadian rhythm, yeah.

I see everyone on the timeline saying, yo, it's number 75 on the chart. I don't think he gives a single fuck. I don't think Kendrick gives a single fuck that y'all think that let the party die flopped. I don't think Cole is looking at a single number of where port's going to end up. This is

all to see how people are receiving music and how people are clicking to listen to it. I don't think they give a fuck what charts and what doesn't right now. The charts might not necessarily matter in the game that they're playing. Because, I mean, charts are attached to DSPs, physicals,

YouTube, etc. That's not the game I think they're looking into right now whatsoever. That stuff matters to, again, like to more so to playlisting. So, okay, this charts, this is number one on, what's it, today's top hits or like rap nation, then it matters. But when you're not playing those games, when you remove yourself from those games, then charts become null and void. Like it doesn't, it's a, it's a stat. It's a measure that holds no value because we're not playing those games anymore.

It's a measure they made up. Exactly. Yeah. It's something to really make them feel important to, to bold in. like their hold in the whole culture. Like a playlist is really a DSP's way of saying this is what we deem to be the culture. It's them trying to create the culture and control some sort of a narrative.

But fuck the narrative that they created will just do it on our own. It's the bank setting the price of the dollar. It's the cops investigating themselves after they commit a crime. It's the same shit as far as Billboard and artists. And it's attached to everything that the industry controls and owns,

which is DSPs because the majors have percentage of all that. I think they're all playing a completely different game and I think it affects everyone. I'm not sure it's going to be a major effect anytime soon, but I see the breadcrumbs that are being laid by the three biggest artists in the biggest moment in hip-hop that we've had. And I think it's no worthy. And I think it's something they all notice within the three of them.

I think they probably all have some disdain for each other, but I think they've been following suit with each one. All right, you're doing just YouTube for this one? All right, I'll put this up on IG. I think they're subconsciously playing the same game. Yeah, I mean, they would have to be. I mean, three of the biggest artists, some, they have the same information when it comes to certain things, I'm sure.

Yeah. They have relationships with some of the, you know, people that are controlling all of these platforms and things like that. So they're privy to the information. But again, I do think that it probably is a way to test and see what their audience is doing. And if their audience is, you know, gravitating towards whatever. platforms that they choose to release the music on. But the bottom line, I think, here is that we can clearly see that there is a change that is now here as far as the way artists are choosing to put their music up.

It's also, well, actually, let me not say safe, because it's definitely the least safe option as possible. But I think it's the safest option for optics, because we've seen that fans just pick aside and the internet was always weird, but this battle has made the internet weirder than I've ever seen in my entire life. People that never even really liked hip hop to begin with are now completely choosing their alliance to a side of an artist, which is nuts to me.

If you go the different route through your website or through another channel like Instagram or something along those lines, you're not going to come back with big numbers whatsoever. I don't care who you are, just because it's a new way for people to count music or receive it. That whole who went number one, who sold more than who, is out the conversation. with the big three now.

To me, we're getting away from that whole numbers and statistics bullshit that everyone keeps bringing up in this battle like, oh, it doesn't matter if Drake replies, look at all these number ones. Oh, it doesn't matter if they need him. Kendrick went on tour and sold

this much and who gives a fuck? Yeah. Cole sold 400,000 first week. That was the most that year. Who gives a fuck? It now becomes about the music. and it becomes about new ways to change the music industry for real not just who has the best music.

Now we're getting into Prince territory. Now you're really a legend. Now you're really changing how artists behind you will be able to benefit off the risk that you take. At that point, who gives a fuck out of the big three who's number one, two or three? That takes away everything.

So even though it's not the safest bet, I think it's the safest for the gossipy hip-hip hop bullshit that's been going on this year. It's done now. But there's only two. It was not big three. Fair. Yeah.

Just to, I was so, did y'all look at any comments over the weekend? I was too scared after that episode. Why? Why are you scared? I don't know. I was Peyton Pumpkins. You scared of comments?

No. I couldn't sleep. I actually got the best too nice to sleep I've gotten probably this year this past weekend. Don't be scared of them comments, man? I think I'm ever been scared of the comments. I laugh at the comments. at this point. But how did people receive our our debate? You asking me? I don't know. I'm asking the room.

I don't, I definitely don't. I'm not in comments like that. I look for you to tell me like what they're saying in them streets and Reddit. Reddit. When last time he was on Reddit? It's been a really long time. I used to be heavy in the streets, but I have not opened that app months. A few people like stop me like, you know, in the streets and was talking about the whole back and forth. You know, it was cool. was interesting to hear people's perspectives on it. It's always fun when people are talking about. A lot of people are talking about the same thing.

But it's also cool to hear people's perspectives and their point of view on shit. It's all in fun, man. I have fun with those type of conversation. Whenever you ask somebody, pick a side. And you start stuttering. And yell about it. Yeah, pick a side and yell about it. I don't have a side.

All right. Where's the side for the people that don't have a side? Where's the side for people that don't? Yeah, like what part of the school dance is that in? I mean, you're probably in the rafters. Okay. Bleaches. That's cool.

Yeah. That's where Taylor Swift started. Yeah, sitting in the bleachers, man. I wear a T-shirts. You got to make a lot of noise in the bleachers. You got to make a lot of noise in the bleachers. Those are the cheap seats? Oh, yeah, you got to let people know you in the building.

I think those are the most important people. For sure. I'm a returning customer for all the artists here. Yeah. I don't know what happens. Russ was in the Twitter streets over the weekend as well. Shout out to Russ, man. Love Russ.

I see some couple of tweets from Russ. Russ is one of those guys that he has he's somebody to talk to about all this DSP shit because he's been doing he's been playing a different game for a long time as well he's been to playing an independent game doing shit a lot of

the lifting himself with his label and things like that so yeah I saw him in the streets well in the tweets talking to people back and forth and that's the streets that's the social media streets uh Julian you want to read the tweet that I feel like this was the conclusion of the back and forth with what was going on.

Yeah, it was a back and forth rush was having with a journalist and the tweet her last tweet before his response that went viral was Russ is tweeting in me like he's talented. I have to, I have to laugh. What journalist is rushing to interview Russ? Wait, wait, wait, wait, slow down. First of all, who is this

that's saying this? It was just a random person on Twitter that. Oh, see, that's my thing. She's a journalist. I don't want to discredit her profession. She's a proper, legit. Yeah. Well, no, I know. I mean, I'm not the discrediting arena. I'm not agreeing with it. but she is a actual. She's not a random person on Twitter.

Let me correct her. Russ is, he is talented. He is talented. So she's saying Russ is tweeting at me like he's talented. What does that mean? Russ isn't talented? That can't be what she's alluding to.

That's what she's... That is absolutely fucking crazy. Russ is talented. You can say you don't like Russ. You don't like his music. That's your opinion. But you can't say Russ isn't talented. Russ is definitely a talented artist.

Well, she had to laugh. Yeah. So Russ, just ethered her with he replied and said you are a journalist your career does not exist without artists or athletes or whoever it is you journal about my life and all

artists and career exists without y'all y'all get too bold on here and forget what role you actually even play in the grand scheme of things your job is to stand on the sideline and wait for other people to do shit in order for you to even have a job relax hmm I'm saying Russ

and this was I don't know if you were with us at Mandy's birthday at that time and we were having a conversation that a lot of streamers, media people, it's not a new thing. It's been going on for a long time.

Start to feel like they're above the artist or bigger than the artist or bigger than the genre or bigger than anything we talk about. And that's where I think the decline starts to happen once you feel like you're bigger than what you discuss.

Because Russ nailed it. And I don't take offense to anything that he said. If you take offense, to what Russ said, you're part of the problem. You do think you're bigger than the genre you talk about. Which is a weird narcissistic thing, but he's correct. We don't move unless they do something.

If you took offense to what Russ said, you're who he's talking. Oh, she had an awful reply. Sorry, I'm just backlogging the information. Jesus. I forgot my tweets. She said, Russ, this is an incorrect statement, babe. I could fart out a think piece tomorrow and it would make this entire app shake.

No music you make will ever have that impact. Let's not lie on me like that, Elm-F-A-O. And I'm also not saying that there aren't streamers, podcasters, radio hosts, whatever in media that can just off-the-cuff entertain people and talk about shit that is nothing to do with music and still be okay. But let's not all pretend within hip-hop media, music media, this culture as a whole, that our biggest moments and biggest discussions don't come off what the artists are doing

and the music that's coming out. Those are our most important conversations. those are conversations that get the most clicks. That's what matters the most. And I'm not saying media needs to bow down to artists or look at them like gods or they can do whatever the fuck they want. It is a two-way street.

Artists also need media people to push their music. But to shit on artists and pretend like they're not a huge reason on why we even exist is insane to me. I get Russ's frustration here. We really exist based off what they do. We are a huge part of promoting what they do and keeping that momentum. But not, this is because we all love music.

At least I can speak for me. I'm sorry. I got into this shit because I love music. And I think that's the root of some of the greatest media people and greatest journalists from inception. They got into this shit because they loved hip-hop. Yeah. So I see what he's saying. I think the problem is when you talk about, you know, this day and age now with so many platforms.

and people, you know, having cameras and mics in their faces, people start to feel like they're something that they're not. People start to feel like they're on the same level as these artists. They're as important as these artists are. And I think that's, you know, what Russ was speaking to here. You know, you're here to talk about what it is that the creators are creating and putting out and things like that. First and foremost, we're all consumers.

Yeah. Even if you're creative, you consume, you know, other art. you consume, you know, something that somebody else creates and puts out. So start there. We're all consumers. I just think that, you know, Russ is speaking to more of what this young lady was saying as far as, you know, she could make the app shake if she creates a think piece. And Russ's music can never do that.

Like, I think she's just a little out of touch with that remark right there. But, you know, I like her confidence. And misguided in what Russ is saying. Like, let's not even just put music. Stephen A. Smith is bigger than certain athletes. He's more famous. He's richer, has more power, more recognizable than a lot of athletes. But is Stephen A. Smith bigger than the NBA and the NFL?

No. And athletics as a whole? No. Absolutely not. And I think that's what Russ was really trying to get out initially. Like, he's not saying journalists exist because Russ makes music. Right. Because of this shit that we all love, which starts with the artist.

is why you guys have a job. Yeah. And why you guys talk about shit. And not saying that, you know, I don't believe that Russ was trying to allude to her being a journalist is not an important role. No, of course not. I think that's what he was alluding to. I think he was more so saying like, yo, I think that, you know, there are lines here, there are levels here. And again, you should kind of like stay in your lane.

But when you start saying things like Russ isn't talented, I mean, that's your opinion. and she's entitled to that like everybody else is but I think in this conversation and this back and forth that was a shot you know what I mean that she was trying to demean Russ

you're focused on that response I'm focused on Russ this is an incorrect statement babe first of all don't call me babe we're not babes I could fart out a think piece tomorrow and it would make this entire app shake

Elon put out robots and it didn't really even shake like that and it's his app no music you make will ever have that impact. Let's not lie on me like that. I'm not here to, I don't know much about this young lady. She could be extremely important and amazing journalist.

I'm not here to discredit her whatsoever. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Has your work ever sold out Radio City two nights in a row? I mean, you got to check. She may have had a think piece that moves some tickets at Radio City. You don't know. I mean, but I feel like that's not an equal comparison because journalists don't sell out.

She compared it. She said she can make a think piece that I make a think piece instead of make this whole app shake, your music could never do that. She made the comparison first. She's saying that on a platform where media is important and she's also in media,

I could make a bigger media impact in media than you can. Fair, okay. Off that sentence, yes. Bad comparison. But the music that Russ has released mainly through Twitter, SoundCloud,

has gotten to a point where people will pay to sell out Radio City to see him. That's making shit shake when you post something on Twitter, the response is selling out Radio City. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

And let's not act like Russ doesn't make this app, quote unquote, shake once a month. Russ always has a take that either pisses people off or has people talking once a month. He makes this hip-hop, Twitter app shake non-fucking stop.

So, I don't know. Maybe I have her fucked up. Oh, well, and we can also, not to be the guy that, falls for metrics, but just comparatively, she's got 43.5,000 followers to Russ's 2 million. I mean, people with 10 followers make the app shake what crazy takes.

You never shook that before, Julie? I've shaken the app. Some wrong with the pussy. Shook the shit out of this app. Probably more than her biggest piece of word. And I'm not. You know his captions on... Never mind.

Invisible lens? Those invisible lens. Captions. make the Instagram up. What was his original point that she was counter acting? Like what was his This was the initial tweet that sparked the entire, it was basically

him kind of reiterating what the structure of a journalist's integrity should be in hip-hop media. Journalists won interviews with artists and things like that. But he basically broke down a reason why some journalists don't get interviews. He said,

number one, most journalists don't have their own platform so that somewhat forces the artist to fund and produce the interview themselves. He said he's done it because he sees the value in it, but he understands if an artist doesn't want to pay for their own interview. Number two, naturally, is artists. We have shit to say, and we want what we have to say to reach the most amount of people. So going to where the majority of people's eyes are, streamers, etc., is attractive. Number three, nobody cares about reading interviews on magazine outlets anymore.

Video interviews are king, and video interviews cost money. see point number one and number four he said really the only solution is journalists just like everyone else have to build up their brand fan base and name themselves so that they can attract artists to their platform or artists just invest money in producing their own interviews with respect to journalists and putting it on their own platform which russ has done with b dot a few times i don't see anything wrong that he said no in that whatsoever and and what did she just take no one's trying to go to russ for an interview i don't understand how she read all that and had that reply.

Okay, so she said paying someone to interview you isn't journalism. It's marketing. You want journalists to function as your PR, hydra, better publicist maybe. So I get, she should, she should have worded that better, but I understood where she's coming from with that, with that response. Paying somebody to interview you isn't journalism, because journalism is supposed to be objection, like.

Oh, then she doesn't know about journalism. Objective. Yeah, but traditionally, real journalism is supposed to be objective. If you pay me for an interview, then I'm not being objective. because there are certain things that you can pay me not to ask you. So if you're paying for your own interview, that's kind of like PR. All interviews are PR. Politicians do that all the time.

I was going to say that's the thing. That's been in the source, double XL. Like there's the journalistic version of payola exists. For sure. Favor for a favor. Yo, if you put this artist on the cover, the source, I'll guarantee you three interviews with these artists that are also on our label. Like it's been a bartering system in journalism, not just hip-hop, period.

forever. Yes, but you can't get mad at her for saying, hey, this is, when I go to journalism school, this is what they teach you. Journalism, real journalism is to be objective. That's into rapport on what's happening. If somebody pays for an interview, let's say a label pays a platform to have their artist on there, what makes it not objective? Because there's been plenty of times when artists have come on a platform for free and then PR will hand them a list of shit they can't talk about. Why does a money exchange have to matter? that. Because if everything is, is, nothing's off limits, but they pay for the interview and I can ask whatever the fuck I want. Why is that non-journalism? Because for example, with the Tyler interview,

let's say bring up the title interview when they asked her about being black, being colored, whatever, right? Being that they didn't, they, I think it was the breakfast club, being that they didn't pay the breakfast club for that interview, that footage still comes out of her just not answering the question, her shaking her head, her looking back at her PR for help. Because the Breakfast Club owns that footage because they were not paid for that footage. Now, for example, if they were paid for that interview and that interview was funded, then the people who pay have complete control. Like, they have control of what comes out, how it's released or what gets cut out, all of that.

You don't have that if you don't pay for the interview. There was plenty of labels that paid for the mics and the source for album reviews and the source still own their content. I think she's very confused on what actually happened. happens in journalism. That's, it happens, but it doesn't mean, it doesn't mean that everybody does that, and it doesn't mean that that's the way it's supposed to happen. It's like saying there's crooked cops.

Yes, there are crooked cops, but it's not supposed to be like that. With the, with the integrity of it, it's not supposed to be like that. There's kind of like the unwritten, untalked about rule that if we bring in our, what is Tyler, Atlantic? The creator. Not sure. No. Tyler.

Oh, Tyler. No, Tyler. Tyler. Tyler. Tyler the creator. Yeah. he took the hard ER off he's with Epic

okay there's an unwritten rule with Epic being under Sony that they will continue to bring their artists to the breakfast club and vice versa not trying to belittle the breakfast club but they have relationships with every single label some of them have even worked for labels while they were on the breakfast club

there's an unwritten rule don't ask these questions and we'll continue to bring our artists in for safer interviews again not discrediting the Breakfast Club because Charlemagne did a great job his whole career of asking the questions we really wanted to hear. But let's say any radio station, there's no currency exchange with that. That's just a relationship moving forward. Don't go against

the rules that our PR at our label told you. And we'll continue to bring artists to you. There's no currency exchange there. Okay. There is a current. You just name the currency. The relationship is currency. There's not money, but the relationship is currency. You're giving something for getting something and getting something, but that does not make it objective journalism. So I think that's why you're missing the point. So find me the objective journal. There's plenty of it. That's what I'm trying to do that. Like just maybe not always in the hip hop space, but journalism as a whole, we're not only talking about journalism in music. Like journalism as a whole is supposed to be objective. Yes, like I said, there are crooked

cops and there are people who skate around the rules to get, you know, obviously to do what you have to get shit done. There's been questions we haven't asked that we should have. But it doesn't mean that that's always the right thing to do and that it was made to be like that. Journalism was not created to be like that. And I think that that was her point where it's like, if you're paying for an interview, that's not journalism. But okay. To that conversation, there's also been times we've gotten lists and said no to interviews because we don't want to interview that person if we can't talk about that. Yes. Thank you for your integrity. Cool. But there's also been times where they won't give us a list and we can just say whatever the

fuck we want. So I don't really see what do you mean? Where's this? You can say whatever you want because you aren't being paid for the interview. Are you seeing what I'm saying? No one's paying you. You said currency was taken out. It's relationships. Yeah. I'm confused about what you're confused about so maybe I'm missing it. I'm confused about how you don't understand her point. Even if you don't agree with it, I'm confused on how you

don't understand her point. Just off the simple of if you are paying for an interview, that is not an objective interview. Period. You have creative control of the interview. That is not. It's also not always the Then name one interview that there was not some form of relationship or actual currency exchanged, whether it be the conglomerate that the interviewer is working for production crew, like what is she talking about? It's a remedial point.

And that's not true because the same way in which artists pay to get on Instagram pages to have their music promoted, they'll pay to sit down on camera just to be seen, say, like, with a Vlad. Like, I always wanted to get a Vlad interview. Vlad's like, all right, cut me the check for X amount of money. bet here's that money you don't just you're paid to get on the platform you don't own the content you just wanted to be seen in front of this other guy no but see that's different that's me paying the vlad's like whatever his prices to get on his platform that's not me paying the engineer paying for the engineer and paying for the studio time which is what russ is referring to paying for the engineer

paying for the studio time paying for it to be edited that's what he's referring to at that point russ owns the content the content creator or the journalist does not own the content so all right So where do we draw the line? Let's say there is no relationship or currency exchange happening whatsoever. And an artist comes here and says there's one particular thing they don't want to talk about, but everything else is on the table. We have an incredible two-hour interview. We get to so much stuff. But because we're respectful people, we just leave that one topic over here. Is that now a compromised interview? No, it's not a compromised interview. It's not a compromised interview unless there's something, there's a morality clause in that. Are you asking because they have

a rape case. Oh, you're not asking they have a rape case open and you're not asking them about that or they're accused of beating a woman and you don't want to ask them about that. That's different. But if they don't want to talk about their relationship, then that's something I was more getting at that than rape or beating women. That's what I'm saying. As far as an interview being compromising, if that's their personal business that isn't old to the public, that's different. But some answers that are old to the public that you're not going to ask, even though the public is expecting you to ask those questions, again, that's something different. I just, me personally, I don't agree with the way that she came at Russ, but her response to that, I understand her point.

That's all I was saying. I understand her point in saying, if you are creating an interview, then it's not journalism. That's not an objective interview. That's all I'm saying. And I think that's a very remedial point to the overall scope of what journalism is. Just because somebody's paying for the interview, i.e., you know, the equipment, editing, things like that. I don't think that that doesn't mean that it can't be objective. It can be.

I mean, if you go in and say, nah, don't ask me about this. And it's like, okay, I mean, some journalists just won't do it. They're like, all, well, if we can't talk about that, me sitting here talking to you is like, people are going to be, if an artist has something major going on,

and they're choosing not to talk about it publicly, journalists probably wouldn't take the interview because it's like, well, if we can't talk about the thing and what's happening right now, what's the point of us sitting here talking about whatever else you got going on? Like, that would just, the journalist now looks, like he or she didn't do a good job because it's like you didn't ask about obviously what

everyone is going to run to the interview to hear about. And, um, I'd off the record conversation because I accused Elliot Wilson of doing that with his Drake interview with BDOT because that ended up on OVO's YouTube page. It was directed by Theo Drake's man. So I said to him, I was like, he definitely did the questions. He definitely edited out some shit. He said, no, Drake is just in business of owning his content. Like a smart artist should, similar to what Russ is saying, he wanted to shoot it and own the content,

didn't cut one fucking question out of that shit, didn't say there's nothing we can't talk about. It was a objective interview. Didn't cut anything out. So to me, where's the problem? If Drake chopped down a whole bunch of shit that Elliott and BDOT asked,

at that point, yeah. Now we're getting into spooky waters of artists are owning the content, the journalist can't ask certain things if they ask that. The artist is going to cut it out. And they're manipulating the content. Exactly. You bring that up.

But he was interviewing what Elliot and Elliot, who is respected in the journalistic space, especially when it comes to hip-hop. One of the last few journalists, yeah. But we had a whole episode, well, not a whole episode, but we had an episode where we came on here talking about when he also owned the content

with that white girl that went viral and that interview was now missing from the internet. Do we remember that? We had that conversation? No, what white girl? What white girl? Damn, Bobby. Remember that?

How we all talked about how that interview was not missing from the interview because he took it down. But he didn't, that wasn't on Drake's Vivo page.

That was unheard. Yeah, that was unheard thing. I still don't know what happened with that. Wasn't it a music thing? Wasn't like a song play?

Was it a Tiger song or something? I think that was like the rumor but I don't. I can't see Universal doing that. I think that was the public cover. That probably boosted Tiger's streams. I mean,

he may, me, you know, it may have been the thing where he told him that the interview was only allowed to be up for a certain amount of time.

I was going to say it could have also just been a clause on because it exists on YouTube, just not on her page. And I'm saying the difference is this was on Bobby's page

originally she paid for it the well they shot remember they shot this at Drake's house. Yeah. This is on his home. No,

I know it's at his house. But like when he did the Caleb interview that's owned by Barstool, even though it was at Drake's house, it's still owned by Barstool. I'm saying the difference with the Rap Radar one was it's on Drake's YouTube page shot by his director and edited by his director.

And he didn't cut anything out. But Drake was seeing the change as other artists were and wanted to own his own content. If I'm doing an interview and I'm this big, I'm owning that fucking interview. Crazy? For sure. But there was nothing that they weren't allowed

to talk about. That could be different now. I'm just talking about that example. But we've also discussed Russ's fourth point. It's not the journalist's fault. No one cares about journalism anymore. Artists are running, and this is not a shot at Kai or any of the streamers. All the artists are going there for promo. Because the fans aren't looking for deep dives. Some of us are, but it's a very minuscule part of the fan base. Everyone wants to see them dancing Kai's basement. So she's misguided in her anger. Her anger should be that fans don't care about journalism anymore. It's not the artist's fault. If an artist is trying to sell music, they're supposed to care about journalistic integrity or they're supposed to care about promoting their album. Fans don't want

this in-depth sit-down print interview with Elliot Wilson right now. They want to go, they want to see their favorite artist dance with Kai. Yeah. Go do a Drusky sketch. Literally offset having a sleepover at Kai's did more for his career than like doing an interview run. And I think it's great. I think that content is amazing. It humanizes the artist. I think it's really cool. I've always asked for balance. I would like that plus a really in-depth musical interview. But if I'm an artist and only have so much time and money to go promote my album, I'm going to go after the thing that gets the most eyes and people care the most about. And it's not journalism. So she's not mad at Russ. She's mad at the people that care about her occupation. Nobody gives a fuck

about that. And that's really what Russ is saying in all four of these points. That's why her response is misguided. I think another thing that people don't talk. about enough when they talk about artists or celebrities doing interviews with journalists. I think that it's just smarter for sometimes these journalists, you know, to have a certain type of relationship with the person that they're talking with. Like, I think it's awkward to just sit in front of somebody and you don't, just your first time meeting them, like, you know nothing about this person, and then you expect to have an in-depth conversation on camera on mic.

It's like, why would the artists give you that? They don't even really have a rapport with you yet. You think, you think, Gail and R. Kelly should have kicked it for. for like a week. I mean, I don't, I know what she was going there to get and she got it. That was a home run. Did she get it? Oh, that was a home rep for her.

You know what I'm saying? That was a, she got what she wanted. That was some fucking journalism. Yeah, like, I think anybody. Is she was just in there, Robert? Anybody could have got that type of. Come the fuck down. Yeah, like anybody could have got that type of response from him.

He was just under a different type of pressure at that time. You could put anybody. That was a pressure. Bobby Altoff would have got that response out of fucking. That would be crazy. That was just done to happen. She'd been like, you pay my bills then? Yeah, like, it was just that time. But I do think that sometimes artists shy

away from doing these interviews because it's like they really don't know the person. It's like, what are we really going to sit here? Like, I'm not going to open up to this person like that. I don't know them. Well, some, I feel like some fans, myself included, don't always want, that interview is great. Don't get me wrong. Back to Elliott and Drake. They had a relationship at that time. And I think they had a great in-depth interview. Most of my questions were answered. Thought that was cool because they had a relationship. he opened up. Sometimes I want the cold interview.

There's no relationship. Here is the question. I do not care about your feelings. I'm not saying all the way old Charlemagne where he would say shit to like really just be mean and belittle someone, which is an art in itself, not discrediting it.

I laugh too. But someone that's just going to straight up some Chris Wallace shit. This is my question. I'm not going to let you get off this question with your answer. I'm not going to give in. We're not friends.

I don't care about us after this. I think that type of respectful interview is still needed to. I mean, if you're good at what you're doing, you know how to ask the question without asking it as well, too. I mean, that's where Gail got Kells. Well, I mean, exactly. You just have to know what you're doing. But I can understand how some artists shy away from it because it's, you know, a lot of people just want to ask you questions just for clicks and shit like that and try to get some shit to go viral. But it's like, I don't really know you like that.

So why would I sit here and have this intimate, in-depth conversation? And that is where the press run. kind of fucked everything up. And that's just a result of the internet and needing so much content. Like artists will stop and go to 22 different outlets when they're in New York, another 22 in L.A. They talk to everyone.

So you never even really get a moment to have it in-depth interview or even one of those one-on-one cold interviews. They're just on to the next shit. They're answering the same question. Bigger artists back in the day, you went to one magazine, one video, one TRL or 106,

and you'd get your one, magazine six pages right and that would be the in-depth one yeah you go to 106 in part get some laughs off have fun and move on now it's just a bunch of quick hit bullshit yeah we have 15 minutes with you and then we have another same interview 10 other people in a hole two blocks down the way the big artists are still doing that though like I and if you are a big enough artist you can make people read I sat there and read a whole Beyonce just did an interview I can't remember I don't know who it was with. But she did a whole interview where she talked about her album. She talked

about where she is in her 40s right now. She talked about the kids. She talked about her work. The crazy is she did it over email because she's Beyonce and I'm busy and I'm not going to sit down with you. But people read it. It was going viral on TikTok and ever, I mean not TikTok, Twitter. And I feel like if you have the talent

in the pull, you can make people do that. But Beyonce is the example. GQ. It was an email. It was a hilarious title. An email interview with GQ. But I feel like Drake could do that as well. I think that because of what Drake's personality is, he might not want to. He would get killed for that.

Beyonce is different in that regard. Like, there's not so much controversy just circling around her. If Drake did a GQ email. Well, not the email, but just a GQ interview period. Something that you have to read. You think he would get smoked for doing a paper interview? I don't think so. Everyone would accuse him of having someone else type it and like...

It depends on... It'd be safe. When and how it comes out. Can't catch him. in the middle of a conversation. Well, I feel like right now, I feel like the beef is a weird time. We're in a very weird time right now.

But outside of the beef, before the beef, I feel like he could have done that. That's why I last one, Benner said, when you guys are in Toronto this week, Maul should hit Drake to see if he'd do an interview. I said, Drake is not doing an interview. Well,

Maul mentioned earlier, and I think this is a good segue. the whole thing with journalists becoming friends with the artist and then creating relationships and having, you know, not only does that relationship end with them being friends with the artist, but it also can go into the artist making money from the journalists making money from these artists, whether they, you know, are hosting something at a festival that they're hosting or, you know, hosting this pop-up thing or conducting interviews on behalf of this artist because I'm friends with them. And I'm speaking more directly to Wayno. He had a clip going around about him, kind of exposing some information that, you know, experience he had at Dreamville Fest, where he was basically saying Dreamville artists were saying Kendrick ain't even like that. He's overrated and bashing Kendrick. But he's, you know, sharing thoughts and conversations with people that are involved with the festival that he was doing an activation with and just kind of exposing stuff that wasn't, you know, meant or supposed to be said on a platform. Allegedly, by the way.

Wino said that people at Dreamville was telling Cole that Kendrick ain't all that? Yeah, I'll play the clip. I didn't need Wayno to say that. I mean, we have fun here. Of course we know that. That's his crew. What? Y'all Dreamville niggas, man.

Y'all gas cold up. Because listen, I was having sideline conversations with a lot of the homies. And a lot of my Dreamville homies was basically saying that Kendrick was, you know, that he's overrated and that, um, what has he done? And I'm like, yo, are y'all serious? So all this camaraderie that y'all made it seem like with the TDE and in Dreamville and how they was locked in and this, that, and third, this is all fake? I have so many things to say about that. And it's not even in defense to Cole. It's objective journalism.

No, that's not objective journalism because you're not chilling with my Dreamville homies and saying that it's objective journalism. That's number one. I think it was, okay. Number two, who do you, when you're saying that and you're on a platform and you know everything that's going on, when you say Dreamville homies, what do you mean by that? Are you talking about Ari Lennox? Are you talking about Julian?

Who the fuck are you talking about when you say Dreamville homie? And when that name is said, most people automatically think of Cole. Assume that it's Cole. So it just kind of sounds like you're putting words in Cole's mouth. You're not, if you're going to say something like this,

which I don't agree with ever, but if you're going to and you feel bold enough to say something like this, then be specific. Don't throw the whole crew or like the whole operation under the bus. don't allude to half of the truth. So just throw one person.

Well, I'm just saying if you feel like you have, you're emboldened enough to say something like this, which you should never say, I don't think anything like this should say. I have relationships with artists. Why not? A lot of the conversations we have, you say stuff that you've spoken about with Drake

that would never touch this microphone. That's the fact. And that's how I feel about relationships that I have with artists as well. It's like some things are meant to be personal to the people that you have as friends. Not everything is for the journalist moment for the click moment.

But he didn't make it personal. He didn't put no names on it. He just said he was at Dreamville. He was having conversations. To me, that's worse. That's worse. It is worse. How is that worse?

Not naming a name? Where I think it's unfair, because we know Wayno has done stuff with Amazon for Dreamville Fest, has done interviews for years. And there's that artist village. And people just talk shit as friends. And especially at that heightened time, seven minute drill had just came out. It was just off Kendrick saying what Kendrick said. of course people will be hyped up and having passionate rap arguments the way we have them are off mic the conversation sometimes have not even made it over here if i'm having a conversation

with my quote unquote friend during a heightened time six months later you're getting on the mic and say we all discredited kendrick you guys were never friends with td e that was some weird fake shit that y'all had that's odd to me he's questioning if that was with that relation no he's saying straight that then he just say straight no he's he's he's question, he was like, yo, so that was fake? Like, y'all don't... He's saying the public relationship of the Dreamville TDE being good together was fake

based on what he's saying he was told at Dreamville Fest by people in Dreamville. Okay, but he's not again, you're saying that it would have been better than names. I'm saying there's no way that would have been better than names. But my point is, I don't think this should be said ever. Yeah, I don't think this should be said ever. But instead of

if you feel that confident to say something that you know was never supposed to be repeated in public, then don't throw it on the whole operation. Don't throw the whole label. So name one person that's your... Yeah, if you feel like you can confidently say this, then name the person you're talking about.

That's crazy. If there's 25 people in Dreamville, let's say 10 of them, I'm not even saying artists, 10 that are like notable within the music industry that people actually know their names. And you say the Dreamville homies, and you were talking to two people in the corner

that were drunk at Dreamville Fest and was like, man, fuck Kendrick. Coal Rodin, like 7 Min of Drill came out. Fuck Kendrick. Yeah, but why are you getting on a mic six months later saying, yo, Dreamville was saying that Kendrick never even did shit. But why are you going straight to some too random Dreamville? You think he was sitting with, it was a convention of just the whole Dreamville set right there?

You think it was the whole year. I think, I think Wayne knows the same people you know at Dreamville. For sure. And has a relationship with the same people you do at Dreamville. I agree. So I think that's exactly who he's talking about. I don't think he's talking about some random Dreamville Fest go where that was just standing in the corner talking about Kendrick and TDE. but he's not going to name the names.

Like, I think naming the names is crazy. But he's saying that he was there. He was having a conversation with the Dreamville crew. And now he's saying, yo, y'all gasped him. Y'all was saying Kendrick ain't all of that. He's overrated, which is, I could definitely, that's what crew's doing in the battle. Yo, homie, yo, he trash.

We go at that. That's what they do. The real crew will give you the realistic of what's going on. Because even though I like 7 minute drill, calling K dot shit and doing that JZ scheme, like, oh, your second one was mid, this and that. I think that was bad information to give to your friend, if that's what Wayno's saying here,

to gas up to say, Kendrick never did shit. I'm not even going. That's like when the OVO team gassed up Drake to say that Kendrick was molested when he clearly didn't say that in the song. I'm not even going that route, what you're saying? I'm speaking more to you saying that you may be in it, you're alluding it to like Wayno was just talking to some random person

at Dreamville that's not even connected to Colin anymore. No, I think anyone in the Dreamville crew that I'm talking about is connected. Okay, so. I'm not talking about a fan. But Dreamville is, but the thing is Dreamville is huge. A big crew. It's a big crew.

So it's like when you say Dreamville, people automatically assume Cole. He knew that when he said this or if he was thinking at all, that people would associate that with like Cole and like his closest homies. When it could have been the nigga that they like signed and like shelved. Like it could have been anybody. You're not being specific enough. So I think what Julian was saying is either don't say this because this is just bad and a bad look. I think the best option was never to say this at all.

repeat things like that. Because, come on, man. We've said stuff. What is wrong was saying? Yo, your crew gassed you and downplayed Kendrick. And I was looking at y'all like, yo, y'all, you're serious? Like, what are y'all talking about? Put it this way.

No, because here's the other thing. He was saying they was backstage saying Kendrick had not done anything. Right. And he's saying like, he and he said like, yo, what are y'all talking about? Why would y'all say that? Clearly they didn't gas coal because he went on stage and said the complete opposite. Kendrick, you're the fucking greatest. I bow out.

So they didn't gas him at all. They're talking about private conversations backstage. Right. Nobody gassed Cole. Coated the opposite of somebody gassed him. Right. But what I'm saying is... If they gassed and then he would have went on stage and said fuck Kendrick Lamar.

We know that Wayno has that access. Which means anybody that's close to Cole could have said that. And Waino not naming no names to me says, I'm not going to put homie's name out there like that. This ain't no rando that he's talking about. This is somebody directly affiliated. in close proximity to the artist that we're talking about. But you don't see the problem with someone that would, sure,

would call Waino not only a colleague but a friend telling him that information in confidence and then for him to turn around and say it into a microphone and project it onto a platform. Yeah, cool. And now everybody's sitting around talking about it trying to sit. But the important part about that is... I'm not saying what Waino's saying is a lie.

I'm not saying you saying it. But I don't think it should ever have been repeated. I'm not saying that. And cool, you're entitled to that. When I'm saying is you then say, or say a name. And I'm like, that's absolutely crazy. If you, Mall, if someone says, oh, uh, if, if I have, if we have beef with someone in podcasting, individual, irrespective of everyone in the room, if I say, you know, it's, it's

fuck as so and so. And then someone hears that, it says the Rory and all crew really fucking, they're capping. Because I saw Rory at the show at Homeboy last week, but then I heard the crew, like, they were shitting on them. Then it's like, you're speaking on behalf of a crew. Each of us have individual relationships with everybody in this media space in the game. Are my relationship with an artist could be drastically different than your relationship with artists even though we both know them. So my point is don't speak. Don't group speak.

Don't say something that represents everybody that could be involved with that with the Dreamville team. Especially with the crew that big. Yeah, especially with the crew that large. But what did Wayno say that was so bad that you like, yo, you shouldn't have repeated that? We're in the heat of. What the fuck?

What are y'all? And I'm, and I'm, and I'm not yelling because I don't want nobody to think mad at no artist. I'm not mad at another. Truth be told, I don't care about enough of this shit to be mad at in anybody. I'm just trying to get your thought process on how is what Wayno said an issue. Because that let Dreamville speak about it. If Dreamville

Let Dreamville speak because don't want to speak about nothing. That's not true. They told on Twitter all the time. Just put the record out. Eve replied to it. Eve replied to it. What was Eve reply? Something clout chacey. Something like that. Said doing something about it. First of all, I don't think

Wayneo is Clout Chacey and Wayneos is in front of the show. get thirsty for clicks. And I'm also with you. I don't care that much, but I think so he's a, waino is an example. I think the conversation overall, we're never talking about a specific person,

but overall it's just like, okay, they're like he said, first of all, the reason why he said don't name names, like you just use the new Roy and Mall example. You're putting other people in the mix when like J Cole is the head of Dreamville, right? We're all important on this podcast,

but when it comes to this podcast and the crew, y'all are the figureheads for this. So anything that we do when it comes to y'all that anybody says, oh, the new Rory and Mar crew reflects on y'all. So it might not even be a point of view that y'all agree with. You might not even be aware of what's even happening.

There's been times Julian has posted stuff and the entire internet said, I sent him out to post that and we hadn't even spoken in days. That is a fact. I get like, damn. I'm sitting there like, I never even, what the fuck?

People like, damn, Rory Maw sent you on a dummy mission. I'm like, I don't even, also what I'm saying has nothing to do with our show. I'm just like posting or tweeting something. They think everything I say is a fucking sub.

Okay, so, all right. So, because we're going into some whole other shit, and I'm just trying to, my ADHD is kicking it. So what I'm trying to ask you is, what is the issue you had with what Wayne knows said exactly? I will answer directly. And let me not say issue, because I honestly don't care.

And again, Wayne McKeough. My problem with it was the angle as if they were bad. I thought those were y'all friends. Because Cole already said on that record on seven-minute drill before the conversation backstage, that his catalog wasn't all that and that he was overrated. We already knew that the Dreamville camp

felt that way, according to Cole. Don't come back here and say, they're saying shady shit and they're bad friends. I thought TDE was your friends. Damn, why are you even speaking that way? Now you're making it seem like every business dealing or conversation

they've had with punch, with everyone over there, has been some fake situation because you happen to talk to two people backstage at a concert. You're erasing 15 years of friendship. Yeah. I just, okay, so I think what I'm seeing it,

I'm just concerned that why y'all keep trying to make it seem like, Wayne O just heard this from some random dude that dreams of us. We're not saying. I don't think anyone in the crew is random, but like not directly, not directly Co. Ebe or the higher ups in that regard that actually have a real relationship with TDE where you could say to them,

yo, I thought TDE was y'all friends. because I think Eid right now today would say, yeah, TDE is still my friends. And TDE, and that's another thing. And no, I was not talking about them behind their back. When it comes to this whole crew thing, crews are all different and they all feel different ways. We all feel differently about different people. I'm sure there's all people in TDE that feel differently about different Dreamville people. Like, it's not just like it's weird, it's TDE and we're beefing with Dreamville.

It's people who have their own interpersonal relationships. this person, this rapper might be cool with this singer, they're all individual people. So you can say, oh, yeah, the crew is going at each other or my Dreamville homies, but they might not share the same sentiments other people in their crew about certain people. Like, it's just too many players involved

for you to sit up here and say, oh, they're beefing with TDE, they're being fake to TDE. Who do you mean by TDE? Do you mean Kendrick? Do you mean Cizza? Who do you mean by that? And also, I forgot the engineer's name.

Forgive me, and I'm not discrediting him. Remember when the entire thing happened when they were airing out, us, a bunch of people that were talking after Colwin on stage and said he was bowing out. And we all replied, all the headlines based off that engineer's tweet, that engineers for Dreamville, when he was saying, fuck all these artists, we put y'all on and now you talk a shit about us. The pool is closed. All that shit. Kid took a shit in the pool. All of the headlines was Dreamville shits on industry. And Dreamville says, we can't work with y'all no more.

it was one engineer that works with Dreamville. They was acting like Eve and Cole said it. So do you see the point at all? And I want you guys. Yeah, we're taking this too far than it needs to be. It's fine. I really don't give a fuck. Shout out to Waino.

Shout out to EVE, Cole. I think what Waino said was fine. I don't think it was anything wrong with what he said. I think wanting him to put a name to it or not say anything is crazy. Putting a name to that would have been wow. But you can see why, though, to the examples that we've made. I know exactly what Wayne. Speaking on behalf of nearly 50 people.

Yeah, but I know, again, Wayne O was just saying that that's what was said from the camp. He wasn't putting no names on it. But he just found it awkward because he was like, I thought those was y'all homies. Like, I thought y'all fucked with them. Like, and y'all back here, the tune sounds a little different and understandably why.

It's a moment. It's a battle happening. So, you know, that's part of the crew, what they're supposed to do. They're supposed to rally each other up. And, you know, it's us or nobody, like that type of thing. And I'm not saying Wayno said anything disrespectful or super over the line. But it kind of goes back to your point of journalists should be friends with artists.

And I do agree with that to get a good interview. But in the art of, I'm sorry, the times of clicks and gotcha moments, fans don't want to hear a good interview. They want to hear the gotcha shit. So it pays not to be friends with people. Oh, hold on. Wayno's calling me. Okay.

My good brother. Ain't nothing, man. First of all, you're on the air right now. We're recording, so I don't want you to, you know what I mean, just jump out there and say some shit you ain't supposed to say. And if you did, we tell the internet that you said it. So, so. Let me, hold on, hold.

Let me tell you something. I never say none. I ain't supposed to say. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. Hmm. That's that Harlem talk right there. The speaker's. The bottom.

Um, eight nothing. So, yo, so quick, quickly, your, uh, your post came up and, you know, it made some noise out there. You said, uh, you know, you mentioned, uh, in response to the, the latest J. Cole effort. Um, you said that Dreamville affiliates, uh, feel like Kendrick Lamar isn't, uh, he's, he's overrated. He's, you know, he's, he's not all that. Um, so we brought it up in the room when we were talking about it. And the consensus in the room was you shouldn't have said what you said because it, kind of throws the camp under the bus. To which I said I didn't see nothing wrong. And then the other feeling was it would have been, if you're going to say what you said, you should have said who said it, which I thought was absolutely crazy. Where Rory at?

I'm right here, Wano. Roy, can I talk to you with you? I know I ain't got for so much time, but I want to know what you thought. Because you're my dog and I respect you. And vice versa. You didn't want to know what I thought. You didn't tell me what you thought,

Mom. You got it. So my thing with the clip, because again, I didn't see the entire thing. Exactly. But you having that angle more or less, and to your point now, saying it was barbershop talk and y'all was just having fun talk behind the scenes. To then say that and angle it as, yo, I thought y'all was friends with TDE, puts a different type of sauce on top of it.

That was my feeling with the entire thing. Like, all right, now you're making it seem like, yo, we've been bad friends to these guys and we've been talking behind their back the entire time. That was my issue with it. And that's why I said put a name on a bullet because at that point, like, who in Dreamville you talking to? Who's really been shady to TD?

So I get what you saying, I get what you saying from that perspective, right? Like, I do, I can understand that. I'm a man, right? So I can understand how now, because I didn't look at it like that, I can understand what you're coming from. my thing was it's just like if we have in general if you if you if you talking with somebody and they like now nobody said that the like it's not a general thing about everybody saying thing this is just a conversation I'm having with somebody who I thought I was cool with right and we're having general rap conversation niggas debate all the time like we debate about rap all the time that's why we on these cameras because we talk about stuff right so I wasn't trying to form it as like

Oh, T-D. I mean, Dreamville hates on Kendra. I'm just saying like, yo, y'all, y'all saying that one person says, all right, he's overrated. So for me, again, my assumption is maybe you had a conversation with Cole one time, and maybe you might have, you might have gotten to his ear. That was the whole, the whole thing I took was this, because you said you didn't see the whole thing. I said, yo, Jay Cole, don't let people bully you into, what's the name, into making a decision.

So then I get all of this. Jay Cole don't have it, like the young thug mean he don't have any. internet. You know what I'm saying? So it's like now all these people is making it seem like I, I'm a part of Dreamville in some sort of way and I like spread deep secrets. Like that's not the case at all. This is just general conversation that if you man enough, nigga, I don't have to say you said it. Say it yourself. If you're not scared, you feel me? But now. Well, not everyone's a media person that has a platform where they just spew opinions. Some people are behind the scenes and happen to be in an artist village and just say some shit to people that I think are friends. Man, way no, where you was at when you heard that? Because these niggas saying you was at the fucking bathroom and heard a nigga with a GA wristband say that shit. No, no.

So look, again, I think it's two things. I think on one side, it's like what it seems and what my intent was. What my intent was to just give context unto what people say about the battle, right? When it came to Jay Cole, I thought that he shouldn't have said nothing. That's the whole point I made. I thought he shouldn't have said nothing.

and my assessment was like bro don't let your homies gash you up because the niggas think that he's trashed you know what I'm saying now if nobody said that to him and you came up with these bars about how your first shit was classic your second shit was tragic then that's fine but then don't take that back after you said it because that's why I gave the analogy

if you step on my foot and you made a mistake and you say sorry that still don't mean that it didn't hurt you feel me so my intent my intent wasn't to like stir up some shit My intent was just to be honest about my approach and say, yo, like, I had, like, arguments with niggas regarding these battles. I'm thinking that Kendrick is going to do his thing. Other people don't. And that's the thing that I was trying to get across.

It came across the wrong way to an extent. But ultimately, I ain't taking what I said back. You feel me? I'm not. Oh, I respect that. You ain't signed to Dreveville. And again, I mean, we agree with you on that front. Our conversation more was being in these artist villages and being.

around these artists and their team. That's the name of what it's called. Wayno, it's called the Artist's Village. I didn't name the village. You were doing interviews in the village, bro. That's where you were posting. I'm not saying you part of their team. I'm saying that's what it's called.

And I'm saying some of the conversations that we have, especially at the height of that beef, like you brought up before, barbershop talk. Some of that is not meant to go out because people's emotions were heightened and the crew is so big. That could now be put on cold or Eve or someone else. like it could have just been a casual combo. It don't like, end of the day, bro, it's like, end of the day, bro.

Like, I look at it from this perspective. I understand every standpoint, every point that you're making, right? Like, I understand every point that you make it. Ultimately, bro, if I said something that ruffled some feathers, stop being a bird. I like, hmm. Well, Wayno, we respect and love you. Thank you for calling in and hope to see you soon. I love y'all brothers, too, man.

Keep doing your thing. All right, peace, bro. Well, shout out again to Wano, man. Staying on music. I listened to the Glorilla album over the weekend. I don't know if anyone else heard it. It's been a very pro-Glorailla podcast, but Glorious is great.

How is it? You like it? It's a great gym album for men, because you know how we always have that debate. Like, some of this music isn't for us. That shit, I'm sorry, Merzik. How do you say it, DeMersik? Merzik.

There's so many added ours to this album that I didn't know needed ours, but she hard art ever. A lot of hard hours, yeah. A lot of hard ars. You got to stay away from that. I know, but this is where I can add hard ars because she doesn't put it on the N word.

She puts R's in every word that doesn't need a R. Gotcha. I didn't even know there's an R in music. Anything with a U in it, she puts an R in. Merazic. It's great, though. Beat selection, perfect for the gym. Lotto made me clutch my pearls.

What did she say? She said in her verse, I'm going to show you where to shoot. I want to lick the gooch. I was in the gym like, Damn, you almost fell off the treadmill. I'm so used to Lotto just saying, like, he ate my pussy and I left. I didn't know she was like returning the favor.

And returning it like that? She seems like a very given person. She says, I'll show you where to shoot. Then I'm going to lick the gooch. After I nut. After the nut. That's follow through. Somebody don't play about Lotto.

God. I'm down where her in T. Payne sound. I'm interested in that one. It's pretty good. There's controversy going on because it was originally, the record was originally for Erica Banks. think they gave it to and they snatched it from her, gave it to Glorilla. But, I mean, duh.

I mean, I don't know the politics of that. All I know is Glow got off on that. Yeah. No, it's actually, this is for men too, this project. I like Glorilla. Every time I hear her, every time I see an interview with her, her personality, she seems like a really cool person. So I like, I like a real. I like how Glow has her, her thing, like her stick has kind of become and stayed, like, uplifting music. Most of her singles and everything is like really like uplifting like you that bitch affirmations like that type of music and not in a corny way and I

really like I appreciate that and also like I really like this song with her money long where it's basically about that nick it's the chorus is that nigga don't deserve my friend like he don't know to do it a bad bitch I always advocate for my bitch is leaving there ain't shit knickers so her making a whole song about that love it yeah she smoked that hook too does she holding women accountable I mean, it's not that song. It's not. The song is about you getting beat it on and cheated on. So no, she's not holding on.

Oh. Yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's Eve Love is Blind part two in a different way. Okay, DV. Yeah. Got you. But no, it's, it's great. And I will say she's a good example of artist development that we haven't seen in like a really long time. From what Glowrilla was in the beginning to now, you could actually see the artist development.

And like what they worked on, what she worked on. I, we rarely see that anymore. It's like, oh, you have YouTube streams. Here's a record deal and we throw you out there. Yeah. Like they were, we watched her have a failed single. We watched her come back from that. Like, she's had two or three great singles from this.

I've enjoyed watching her journey. That's all I'm really getting at. And like I've said before, I personally think that Glorilla, when it comes to the women, um, and just the party scene, I think Glorilla owned the summer with her songs. Because that fucking, uh, is 7 p.m. Friday. It's 95 degree. That was like in every party you had to hear that song.

I wasn't even mad at the her and sexy red doing the wipe me down flip. I usually hate flips and wipe me down is sacred to the noops. So you know, I'd be very critical. I'd like the flip. I think they did it well. Shout out to Gloria. Hallelujah. Glorilla.

Yeah, glow. Do we have voicemails though? You've got mail. We do. I have a fun one to start with. Here we go. I'm ready. Hey, Rory, Maul, Damaris, and Julius. I said Julius. I'm fucking weak. Julian. Oh, my God. Orange Julius. I'm sorry. I needed some advice. By the way, this is anonymous. But I am a married mother of one. Oh, she's cheating. And I love my husband.

to the death of me. But I also am still secretly in love with my ex. Sis, this is my bag. Yeah, glow. To keep it brief, my ex and I, we were in a relationship for maybe three-ish years on and off. But I was also interacting with my current husband for that. same duration of time and then we ended up locking in, getting married, and having a baby. So I've been...

You mean your ex didn't want you when you settled? Postpartum and new wifehood. But I also still just have those thoughts of my ex. And of course, I mean, if I could turn it off, I would. But here we are. So give me some advice also, DeMaris, I love you so much. you're beautiful. You look like you smell good.

Rory, if I... What that mean? Oh, it just, it got cut. I don't think she understood there was a time limit, but that was just a really offered spot. Now I'm not going to sleep tonight. Now I need to know what...

If what? Oh, crying. If you were to also cheat, it'd be with me? I don't think that was what she was going to say. That's what I thought she was going on with. I ain't think that. What's the deal?

Is it grass greener or how should she handle this? I think it's the complete opposite. In your postpartum, it's shitty. you're a new wife and you had some fun with your ex, but there's no real structure there. Clearly, he didn't want to be with you and you settled for your husband

and you have a beautiful life because of it. Going back to some unstable, fun bullshit, the grass is not greener. It's going to stress you out even more. I think that she, well, first of all, salute to her for admitting that she's still in love with her ex. A lot of people have a hard time even admitting that part.

A few questions. So, like, what was it that drew her more to the current husband? He was probably the only one that wanted to actually have a relationship. So she sounds like... He probably was the only one that was treating her good. Yeah. And we all know how that can go sometimes in relationship. Women come from a lot of toxic relationships.

And then when they get a good, healthy relationship, it's not, quote, exciting, fun, they're bored or whatever. Let's call a spade a lot of women don't want to be with the guy that will treat them better. Yeah. They are attracted to the bullshit. People love toxicity. People love that. People, they need that in their lives.

But, you know, I think, again, you know, you got your family. You got too much to lose. You got your family now. You know, your baby. It sounds like he's providing a home for his family. Didn't give much detail about the situation with the ex. So I don't know where he's at in his life. If, you know, he's stable or not.

But. He didn't want to be with her when she was single without. a baby. You think he's going to swoop in and be like, now let's be together. I'm not saying stay in your marriage. Your marriage stinks, divorce him, but don't go with your ex. I'm just trying to figure out why they didn't make it. I guess he ain't want her.

He ain't want that girl. And I mean that lovingly because I love you too, but I know that situation from a mile away. He didn't want to be with her. He didn't want to be with her. You don't love her. I don't love her. You're talking like your ex. She just said she loved me. Are you the ex? I love people who show me love and I do love our supporters. I mean, if y'all don't love the people

that give y'all money for Patreon. Our supporters and listeners are smarter than that. That's not what we're saying. Oh, okay. That's DeMaris bag right there. That gas lit? She should keep a gas of butane in it. Oh, damn, quick pivot.

There was a poll going around on who's the biggest gas later on the podcast and you two were going neck and neck. We were not neck and neck and mall was like 75%. I was 20% and you and people don't know what gaslighting you. That's exactly. People don't know what gaslighting is if they think I'm a gaslighting is. I don't think I'm a gaslighting is.

I don't know what gaslighting is. A lot of things, the marriage is 100% the biggest gaslighting is. light on this show. Do y'all? She starts everything with so what you're saying is. No, that's not what I'm saying. That's not gaslighting.

Yes, that's exactly what it is. Do you know, what is, what is the, can you give me a definition of gas lighting? Damaris. That was, believing my point. That's definitely, thank you for proving my point.

Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse where a person causes someone to question their sanity, memories, or perception of reality. So what the fuck are we talking about? What are we even talking about? Well, there's example one. What are we even talking about?

That's more. Every time you say anything to him, what the fuck are we talking about? Y'all are fucking insane. Y'all are crazy. You just read that definition. Gas-lighting. Y'all are crazy.

You sat here and gave me an excuse why you thought Cuevo was hotter than Chris Brown. That made no sense. And that's gas lighting because that's not what we said. Wait, what is gas lighting? Wait, what did you not say? That's not what we said. That's just a difference of opinion.

That's not what we said. What did you say? What did you say? What I said was, and first of all, I didn't bring up the point. brought up the point, but I supported him and saying in younger people, in a younger demographic at the specific time that we were in talking about a street wear show that Chris Brown and might meet in the whatever Miko, we were, Cuevo might be on the same level.

Chris Brown is not just eating him up. We never talked about talent. Nobody was talking about talent. Nobody was talking about fame. Nobody was talking about them being a bigger star. We were talking about a rule fashion show, hip hop and younger kids. That is exactly what we were talking about. That's not what you were talking about.

That's not what you. Y'all said, y'all said that Cuevo was hotter than Chris Brown. In that room for a streetwear brand, that, in that one little venue. No, he's not, but he's not. Okay, and you can disagree. And no room. That's what I'm saying. Then fine. That's fine.

That's why. We were proven, but don't change what we were saying. We were wrong. We were wrong. We know you're wrong. But don't change what we're saying. That's not. I know.

The entire internet. You're questioning me, like admitting that I'm wrong. So I don't. I feel gasoline. I'm speaking to Damaris being a bigger gaslighter. That's all I'm saying. And I'm speaking to you

not understanding what gaslight it means because you just literally gas in the entire room. How did I gas in the entire room? I don't think that conversation had anything to do with gasoline. Yeah, what is she? What are you talking about? I'm speaking to Favisian.

I'm saying the example period of Quavo and Chris Brown, what did that have to do a gaslight? What does the gaslight mean? A form of psychological abuse where a person causes someone to question their sanity, memory, or perception of reality. She, with the marriage was just a difference of opinion.

That's a different, yeah, it's just a different. You guys weren't like, that wasn't a gaslight. No, that's not, y'all got to go back and listen to that. And that's why I was sitting here like, what do you know what I said? So when I say, what are y'all talking about? That's what that is. It's like, are y'all, do y'all hear what y'all saying right now? You're trying to change the perception of what reality is by saying

Cuevo's hotter than Christmas. No, nigga on the planet, whatever even says. And he keeps gaslighting because that's not what we said. You didn't say Cuevo was hotter than Chris. Didn't we just explain this five minutes ago? Am I living in the fucking time? I'm asking you. No, you're living in reality.

You're living in reality and you're trying to change the reality of what you say. Put up. Useful clips of that's not what we said. We were talking about a specific arena. Stop saying we. Stop saying what you said. Me. Demaris Asia Giscone.

That's not what I said. It's on YouTube. That's not what I said. So you didn't say that Chris Brown. You didn't say that Quovo was hotter than Chris Brown? You didn't say right now in terms of whatever you said that Quavo is a hotter than Chris Brown. You didn't say that.

You keep saying Quavo. Did you say Craval is bigger than Chris Brown? No, I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I said you said Quaybo is hotter than Chris Brown. In a specific room. And I said in no room in the world ever is Quaybo a hot name than Christopher Brown. What about Thanksgiving at his grandmother's house?

What is he talking about? How is that not what you said? That's exactly what you said. And that's my point of you saying you don't gaslight. Because now you're saying that's not even what you said. And that's exactly what you said. It's okay. I've come to realize that nuance is not really your best friend.

That's fine. Nuance is not my best friend. Nuance is not your best friend. Every conversation has nuance to it. You ignored nuance and be like, well, you said this and black and white. I just repeated everything you said. On that date, whatever date that was in March, April, Cuevo was not hotter in any room on the planet to Chris Brown.

Okay. And you sat here and broke it down like as far as household name, this, that. You said a bunch of shit that meant nothing. Okay. That's your opinion. I'm not arguing about it. That's a fact. What are you talking about?

Everybody that heard that clip agreed. Like, what are you talking about? And that's your opinion. Should she? Fuck her ex or what? No. She should definitely fuck her ex. Stay far away from, stay far away from that, baby.

She should definitely fuck her ex. Stay far away from that. If you were still single and you still wanted to explore that, then you have every right to, but you signed on that dotted line. And not only did you sign on that dotted line, you put a child into this world and promise to give it the best life you can. You need to get over it. The grass is not greener.

And you're remembering all the good times and conveniently forgetting the best. She's gaslighting herself into thinking because she had fun with him for a few times that that would be the better relationship. You never had a real relationship with him or you'd be in one. Stop gaslighting yourself. He's not the one. If you have a fucked up marriage, divorce him and go find someone else. And she didn't even say the marriage was fucked up though. She probably just also doesn't feel like herself. She and respectfully to her. If it's gotten to a point that she called into a podcast for advice, that marriage is not in a great place. But it's not even just the, that could, she's probably not in a good place. It doesn't mean that's

the marriage. You can, you can be in a bad place. If somebody's in a bad place in a relationship, the relationship's in a bad place. As someone that's been through bad ones, yes. If one person is not present or around, that relationship is not in a good place. I mean, I'm not disagree. I'm not disagree with you. I found the clip.

I was going to replay it and see. A clip is awful because it's a minute of a bunch of different conversations. How many clips have we put out a you and you be like, oh, that's not the full story? Anonymous, go fuck your ex-boyfriend. No, no, no, no, no, no. We should just be so. We're in a simulation.

Go do whatever makes you happy. Fuck them. Fuck your ex. boyfriend. Fuck him. Forget about logic, perception. Fuck him. That's what I said.

I said the same thing you said. You want to start this again, Julie? Go ahead. Play the clip. Yeah, I'm curious. Let's see how it was cut. So you got to move somebody. Guess what?

They're moving that person. You think if they told them they have to move Quavo, they move Quavo? 100%. That's Chris Brown, nigga. At the rude event, though, and rude being probably one of the biggest brands within the culture, they kind of have the same social status. Get the fuck on it. Is Chris Brown a bigger name than Cuevo?

Is he a bigger star in Cuevo? In the world? Yeah. All right. So what do we talk about? But that's not. First of all, that's cut up.

Did it, now didn't he? Let it play, man. Let it play. Nobody want to hear her right now. Let it play. Just making sure.

Let it play. Let it play. This is a social event. Okay. This is a social event. This is a fashion show. Like you are right now. Name was,

quote unquote, hotter. He is? Yes. And that's not a bad thing to say that happens with every artist ever in based off of what though. Cuevo and Amigos are bigger

than Chris Brown when it comes to a name in name recognition, in different. In any room, Chris Brown is the biggest one. They cut that letter. What does that mean? He's also cut around my, that rude part.

He cut out a lot of. What does that mean? We heard what she said. What does that mean? That Cuevo is a hotter name as far as what does that mean? Because Cuevo and Amigos are not a bigger name to Chris Brown in any scenario. We know that for a fact. That's not me guessing.

That is a fact. Chris Brown is bigger than all of these niggas will ever be. But we, that wasn't the argument. So what did she. She just said it. Well, you won't know because it's a one-minute clip that was cut and peach cut what the fuck I was saying. What did you say right there?

Great way to cut it, by the way. What did you say right there? What did you say right there? Literally cut to get people engaged to argue. So how come it's only cut? So how come everything I'm saying in the cut makes sense, but what you said in the cut? I don't know.

Oh, oh. No, I figured that. That's solid. That's solid. Like, that's all I appreciate. I was giving you props. It's right here. We're looking at it.

Bro. I just literally, I literally, okay. You can't cut and clip what you don't say. She said it. Okay. All right. Hold on. There's a little bit more.

Hold on. There's not a biggest start of Girl Sweet 16 in Cuevo right now. Chris Brown. What the fucking is. That was crazy. That's a little boy sweet 16. No. Niggins don't have Sweet 16.

What is she talking about? What time you went to a boy's sweet 16? You're not trying to change my perception of reality of saying a boy sweet 16? I do. What boy has a sweet 16? That's not changing my perception of reality? Ellie Reed's son. I saw it on MTV.

It was on MTV too. Yo, y'all are crazy. There was a lot of boys on that show. This was 18, though. I wish I would have went to my mom and said, can I have a sweet 16? What does that mean at a boy sweet 16? What boy has a sweet 16?

If I remember correctly, that got brought into the new generation, and we were suggesting that when it came to sweet 16s today, that they may want to go to. Let's take sweet out of the boy's birthday, birthday parties. Or girls too. Yeah, girls too. Yeah. Just birthday parties.

That they may choose Quavo because of the age gap. Rory, shut up. No fucking girl. No little girl on this planet is going to be happier to see Quavo at her birthday party than Chris Brown. I'm never going to pull them. What are you talking about? So you win. Of course you're not going to poll it because you know that.

You know the reality. They have to get their parents consent. Cut the shit, man. Stop. Stop. Cuevo ain't no weird. Quavo ain't even out of this thing in this group. They don't know out of Chris Brown.

What are we talking about? I just don't know if 16-year-old girl. They're just running to Chris Brown. I don't know. I don't know. Now you don't know if 60-old girls are running to see Chris Brown. No, I don't know. Roy, stop this.

What's up with you? What's up, man? I don't know. You can say you was wrong, though. You could just say you was wrong. I did before and you gas lit me and wouldn't allow me to say it. I'm not letting you. You weren't mean to me when I said, yo, I'm wrong.

I'm saying right now, you're saying that you don't know. There's been about five episodes after that clip that I have said to you to your face, looked you dead in the eyes and said I was wrong. And you will never let me just be wrong. Cool. speaking to what you just said you're acting like kea right now hold on you just said like i've said i was wrong let it go so you just said you don't know if little girls were run to i don't know anything little girls are doing 16 year old girls i have no clue

but i'm but but but but but but but but but but i'm crazy though i don't think you're i don't think anyone gaslighting do you do y'all see do you see the point he's been proving the point for the That's 10 minutes. Nobody said you were crazy. Nobody. I said 10 minutes ago that I agree with you. You proved us all wrong. Yes, you were right.

I said that mad long ago. Yeah, but don't tell me what I didn't say. In the moment, no, no, no, in the moment you was gaslighting. No, I wasn't gaslighting. And I had a difference of opinion. People are allowed to have difference of opinion. That's usually what gaslight is. You change the perception of reality by saying that you felt like Quovo.

No, that's not, but that's not. That's not what you did. You said, right, you broke it down. You broke it down. You said, as far as right now, how. Holy stood on the opinion, but when I supported his opinion with, okay, well, this is how, break it down like this, then somehow it's you, you were saying this,

you were saying this when that's not what I said. We just saw you say it. And I'm not going to go off for the fact that Pete clipped it up like that to get reactions because he's good at his job. Your job, Peas. Yeah, but it was a great clip. But everything in my clip, everything that he clipped to me was me being right, though. Oh, he is a bias editor.

Oh, okay. Peas only does me dirty. Oh, okay. I didn't know that that's what was happening about. So who's the biggest gas letter? like I said let the room decide let the people listen and decide

vote in the comments because right now that poll was only on our Discord vote in the YouTube comments we'll see What was the final poll on Discord? Oh it was mall I know but like what were the percentages

I don't know I saw that they were doing it I didn't see the final because it doesn't take like 24 hours People thinking I'm a gaslighter is fucking insane that's the peak gaslighter answer right there response

You think I'm a gas later? I can see the point like with that Demer is making. What's the point? 68% mall, 23% me, Rory 5% Julian 5%. He's the first of all, he might be the biggest gaslight I've ever met in my life. What?

In real life. IRL. Definitely. What I think Gaslight a little bit too? And so do I. I don't think we fucking a mall though. But you gaslight too. She thinks I'm gaslighting by saying what are we talking about? That's gaslight and what are we talking about? If I'm speaking facts?

Wait, okay. Now I'm wondering how I'm a gas letter. Roy's like, fuck all that other shit fuck all that I'm happy to be here You've literally admitted to being a gaslighter before I'm gaslit in situations for fun Absolutely Okay, I'm not saying you doing it for like

Roy, you've been in relationships When you said in real life I thought you meant like I'm really out in these streets I guess like for fun here for sure Yeah, that's what I'm only talking about for here Oh I completely make up things you say for fun That's what I'm speaking to That's exactly what I'm speaking to

No, that's not what the Maris was saying No you've gaslit in relationships before Oh yeah We're humans. Like, we all have gaslighting before. But, like, I'm not like a serial gaslighter. I see, I didn't put cereal in front of it. See, I never said that.

I just said you are the biggest, one of the biggest gaslighting right now? Yeah, I don't know. You might be. Depends on what the definition is. What does it get? Read again? It's the gaslighting is if you sent it into a sentence. Gaslighting is if you sit up there telling somebody like, if somebody, if you're cheating and your girlfriend comes to you like, I know you're cheating.

I just can't prove it. I know you're cheating. It's like, you know I'm cheating. You know I'm cheating. You're crazy. and that's your problem because your mother, you didn't stay with your father, and now you don't believe real love can work.

That's gas. That's a form of gas. Now make my shoes. Wait, what was that? Let me write that one down. So mother wasn't with father. I had to use that tonight. Or saying some shit like,

I know you see, no, you don't remember that happened. And it's like, no, I don't remember that happened. I'm telling you that happened. Like, it's like, no, it didn't happen. Like what Mar just did me. It got me looking like, damn, did that happen? It's like, question in your own sanity.

in real life, out of a few relationships, I don't feel personally that I'm part of the gaslighting community. The more than I'm saying, I'm the biggest gaslighter is, wow. Well, yeah, should I play another one? I don't know how I feel about Julian not being tied. I, I am, first of all, we can all agree. I'm an awful liar.

I can't lie. That's why I suck at gaslighting. But is gaslighting all based off lies, though? Yes. not always You're not telling the truth when you're gaslighting Not always full lies But yeah

But it's manipulation for sure Yeah I can't lie for shit I'm awful Or manipulate you kind of suck it up I'm terrible at it I'm manipulating you're great at that Lying what fuck I manipulate Who?

I've seen you manipulate things Don't do that Where You're like doctor You're like doctor strange When it comes to manipulation What is it explain I mean I've seen you do certain things

Where it was like Okay you manipulated that situation. But it's not nothing crazy. But you can't say you're not a manipulator, though. I've seen you manipulate. Now, I'm not saying that you move through life trying to manipulate rooms and shit like that, no. But if you've done it.

All right, so it's like 48 laws of power, Machiavelli, like, are those scriptures, are those gaslighting? Because they don't really necessarily tell you to lie, per se. They just teach you how to manipulate. Embellish the truth a little. Well, not all manipulate. Gaslighting is a form of manipulation, but not all manipulation is gaslighting.

So there's manipulation and then gas lighting is one of the umbrellas underd. Gosh, all right. The subgenre. Yeah. It's like universal. And then like Def Jam? All I know is you saying, me being the biggest gas letter you ever met in your life is hilarious, knowing the people we know. You know, diddy.

That's spectrum. You. He's con Ed. You're calling it, he's like, now that I think about it. He's the grid. I think Puff did gaslight me once. He was trying to do something else once.

I'm thinking about it now. Trying to warm you up. He did. Fire and desire. Fleshlight you. I felt really good about myself after. Trying to fleshlight you. He's just sick.

Puff definitely gas lit me once and I felt good about myself. But we have another voicemail. Let's go there. Oh, you was ready? No, not for that. I didn't know he was doing that. See, I didn't even see the breadcrumbs he was laying. Did you do-sh?

Oh, you didn't see the oil. It's all good. Yo, why were they so mean to Bow Wow on Twitter over the weekend? What about do? I got Bow-Wow's point, but he's, he need to... All right, say cheese, I don't know if Say-Chees misquoted him, but... Bow-Way-Woe was saying... Say-Chi's probably did miss-Cole.

That's what I'm saying. Okay. I don't know if it's fair for Bow-W, but they had posted something, a quote from Bow-W saying, you, since, like, Puff got locked up, all the party's been dead. Like, after BET's weekend, there was nowhere to go. go like no he didn't say that but wait bow wow said that say cheese posted it so I don't know

bow wow said that like on a mic but somebody said he's been so freaked out he's having withdrawals I was like yo this is don't do bow wow like that man yeah he did apparently say uh bro okay so he said bruhs supposed to be on a 250 foot yacht with his wife legs up chilling

it seems unreal at times me and jermaine spoke about it and i was like I never thought we would see him in this position ever. He's like the gatekeeper to the game to the point where BT Awards weekend, the past two, they just didn't feel right because there was no motion, no parties. There was nowhere to go. He was clarified that he didn't mean the freak-offs. And he was like, there's just no parties. You feel it like it's a whole.

He was everything in hip-hop for that to die out. You just would have never thought it's sad and it's messed up that we got to witness this. I don't blame him for what he said. I do. I don't, I get what he's saying. So many victims that weren't victimized. It's definitely a bad time. He shouldn't have said it.

But I understood where he was coming. from like find another promoter call and dittia promoter is funny as fuck it's never that serious that's how puff started I know but that's that's funny yeah yes it's cool someone else can throw BET weekend parties in Atlanta call Sean man

word you know that's a little powder puff he gonna fight you now Sean gotta shoot him that was wild I'm showing my dick that's my dick that's my dick that's my dick right there you know what fuck with powder puff is really really really funny be powder puff.

It can be like the rebrand. No, it's very funny. That's funny. Shout out the show. You, Sadiq still going on? Yeah, of course. They moved it to,

they got a Las Vegas one now, everything. Yeah. I don't think that was officially announced, but that's going to be a thing. Sean. Different Shons.

Still in the same. Yeah. I see how the moon and the stars lined up. Come on, man. Sean, go ahead and take that, take that lane, you know,

the other shit alone. Yeah, No, just have like parties. Just regular, you know, good night, go home. Everybody go home. Like that type of party. There's, I've been to a million parties that nothing nasty happened. It was just a good time.

And then everyone went home. Yeah. Those are okay. Next voicemail. Yeah. Cheat on your husband. To conclude the other one. Chee, I am, ma'am.

That's how you get a his head. All right. This thing sucks. Hold on. I'll refresh it. So you get the herpes. Okay. What's up, y'all?

I'm not really asking for advice. I'm more just sharing a funny. story, but I also could use advice. So, you know, let me know what y'all think. So when I'm not living on Hoare Island, waiting for the nuclear bomb, I'm a teacher. As you all know, it's Maddie. What's up? And one of the ways that I keep kids from being absolutely annoying or just whiling out in the classroom is by being incredibly cringe in my classroom management. So when pushing P came out and my ninth graders wouldn't shut up about pushing P, I read the lyrics to them in the style of Master piece theater. I'm also, you know, catastrophically Caucasian, so they hated this. They stopped

saying push and P in my class. So this is like my general, like, method, say the slang back to them, make it immediately not cool. It stops being said in my classroom. The problem is that the students have really become attached to the phrase glazing. And I just cannot use that term back at them, you know, because I'm trying to put, genitalia and me or them in the same sentence, right? But, like, they love saying it. Like, oh, Mr. Glazing, you're glazing. And it got really bad because they said I was glazing the assistant principal.

And I was like, okay, we need to stop. But if you tell a student to stop, they're just going to keep doing it. So I'm, you know, just laugh at my pain, I guess. And if you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks. Stop glazing. Yeah, sounds like you're too much of a glazer. Yeah.

I mean, Julian, you've worked as a teacher. can she just get the glazing shit off? Or will she be thrown out? Yeah, I was going to say that's a weird one because I really did try to think about how I would handle that. In her defense, there were some things that my students would say,

and I'm trying to remember. I can't remember with the things, but I would intentionally use them out of context or like fuck it up and make it sound lame so they would stop saying it. That is a classic strategy. The glazing one, you can't work. Tell me how you made,

yo, that's on GD sound lame. Luckily, they weren't saying that. but it was just like yeah like typical you know rap lyrics or insults and I would just purposely use them out of context or just like refer to myself as it and I'd be like now what and they're like well that's not fun if you just call yourself that so they would just stop glazing stuff because in her to your point it is inherently sexual and that's weird to say like I taught middle schoolers I wouldn't be like stop glazing another 10 year old or 11 year old it's clear you've been glazing those books you need to glaze that homework

No. See? But it sounds lame. I wasn't trying to sound cool. Yeah. I think my point came across there, right? Yeah. The angle is to make it sound like it's fucking lame.

So I think, I think, I don't know. I don't know the school rules or how you, I would say still use it. Like use it to the point where it's annoying and nauseating to them. And if the school board just comes to you, say it's something like you're putting extra sauce on something. Like just lie. Like, oh, you're putting extra sauce on like a glazed donut. You're putting extra sauce on it. I was about to say maybe bring in some glazed donuts.

And then that day you get away with all the glaze comments. Another thing too is like, this is their, you know, the slang, the kid's slang. So it's like, all right. So if you don't draw attention to it or if you don't make it a big deal, I'm not going to say it'll go away. But just don't make it a thing when you hear it. Don't try to call it out because then they'll start saying it intentionally to get a reaction or rise out of you. So if a kid like raises their hand and gets like a question right and they're like, yes. And then someone from across rooms like stop glazing or whatever the fuck.

then just ignore it. Just pretend like you didn't hear it. Let it move on. And then if you don't give it attention, they're more than less likely to say it or do it. And these kids come up with this fucking generation of kids comes up with so much slang so often. Like, it'll be a new word on TikTok by tomorrow.

Like, just wait it out. I know we brought it up on this show already, but it could be a fun time to revisit it. Type in teacher N-word. You could go all the way with it if you want to. Because that was a great strategy for teachers trying to get, to stop saying curse words.

Can I get a pencil? Oh, I, y'all played that on here before. I know. I mean, like, over a year ago. This could be the best strategy. Because then you'll get on the news, too. That's, like, really shake the room. Let's take the timeline in a frenzy.

And word. Get away from the door, nigger. He said this was his training, too. I repeated, why is this word used so frequently? So, I just, I just don't understand. understand it. And I'm trying to understand it. I need help. Yes. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I've, I've used it. I admit it. I put the H on it to emphasize. It's, you know, nigga, nigga, nigga this, nigga, me. Nigga, please. You know, can you lend a nigga, a pencil? So I think what she should do is maybe bring in two pieces of paper with glaze. and what the real definition of it is and then glazed in what their definition of

and then maybe form a line of who's glazed and who hasn't. Or you'll say you'll be glazed in summer school this year. Oh yeah. You start saying like, you'll wait till the summertime and you're still in this class. You're going to be glazing me. Oh, wait. No, no. No, that's the end of your tenure.

Now we fire. Now we're firing on. As long as she's wearing the appropriate clothes, teachers can say whatever they want. As long as she's wearing loose sweating clothes, she can get that off. Yeah. Got it. Maddie being tight-ass jeans, ass poking. Probably. Yeah.

You know that. Yeah, she posted. When we had that whole argument, she said Rory was an idiot. Do we have another voicemail or should we wrap up? Let's wrap. Let's wrap. Let's wrap up.

Yeah. This was fun. We are in Toronto this Thursday. Yes, we are. Can't wait to see you guys in the six. Can't wait. In T. Yes.

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Thank you to Wayne O for calling in. We appreciate that. All right, man. So let's go get these lighters and gaslight some shit. The rest of the day, man. Agreed. Everybody have a safe week. We'll be back in a couple days to kick it with y'all.

Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. No. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.