New Rory & MAL - Episode 321 | Horrible Decision

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

Gang is all back in town! After a long vacation filled with barefoot R&B synths and TMZ interviews, Rory is finally back at work. The team briefly catches up with him, before getting into a debate about the historic (snore, snore) fight between Jake Paul and Mike Tyson (6:12). They have some conversation regarding content creating and Netflix's next moves before finally addressing the fail that was Bill Burr's post-election monologue (29:33). When one journey begins, another one ends - J.Cole and his manager and lifelong friend are taking us on an audio journey through Cole's career (35:20), while the infamous Whoreible Decisions podcast has made an announcement that their show is coming to an end (47:46). Tyler The Creator's festival, Camp Flog Gnaw, was over the weekend, and the team discusses what festival fits their vibe the most (1:01:51). We also speak on Netflix not messing up a Beyonce Christmas due to low bandwidth, and its new live sport experience (1:07:29). Also discussed were the most overrated actors and standup comedians (Mal hates The Rock) (1:14:54). We have voicemails! The first one is from a guy who is bisexual and doesn't know how to tell his family (1:43:45), and the second is from a caller who Rory therapizes simply off the one question he asked about his mom and sister's family dynamic with him (1:56:30).For MORE Rory & Mal, make sure you subscribe to our Patreon community, for exclusive episodes, first access to tickets and merch sales, private live chats with the team, + more! https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalFollow Rory: @ThisIsRoryFollow MAL: @MAL_ByTheWayFollow Julian: @Julian__nicholasFollow Demaris on YT: https://www.youtube.com/@DemarisG To watch the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALYouTube Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMAL Thanks to our sponsors: Go to https://SHOPIFY.COM/rorymal to upgrade your selling today. Start earning points on rent you’re already paying by going to https://joinbilt.com/RORYMAL. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Julius Randall Okay Game winner Gotcha We can stay in the show business Actually that's worse Keep it Pete Whatever

Uh huh Yo what's up man Fuck you was that though Hey listen man No listen man Hold on I've been waiting to talk to you man Listen you've been on

You've been out of town You've been in the studio You know what that's like You're talking to me You've been in the studio You've been on TMZ They call you mall duffles. Yeah, what's up, man?

You're on Flav. Man. Wait, I was on TV. TMZ. TMZ. Oh, yes, okay. I don't think I made the real show, though. No.

No, I don't think Harvey wasn't sucking down some water watching me. They didn't talk about it. Most hydrated man in show business. Yeah, no, they didn't talk about you. Well, what's up, man? How was L.A.? It was good. It was extremely productive.

You know, I really was studio home, chilling my dad. It was a very productive week. Oh, pops was out there with you? Yeah, he flew out with me. Oh, that's fine. He's got surgery this week. So he was trying to get in like all his trips before you got to sit down for a while. So okay.

Yeah, he came out and I mean, he was exploring more than I was because I was in the studio. He was in a room, some weed. He was, he definitely, definitely part took. He had never seen like weed shops that look like Walmart. He went like two days before me when I landed. He was like, there were so many aisles. I didn't know what to do. He was in Medmin going crazy.

Took him to Venice Beach in the morning. Yeah. Sunrise. It was dope, man. No, it was definitely a good time. And it was super productive. When did L.A. get good food? I keep telling you.

That's the thing that you started. Okay. I know real L.A. has food, but we're tourists. We don't stay in the real L.A. You mad that you can't go get a fucking sandwich from the deli in L.A. That's all you mad at. That's all you mad at. The fact that you can't go get a pastrami and turkey and cheese.

That you think L.A. doesn't have. L.A. has good food. Speaking of Julius Randall, I can never even get a good. Bagel. Yeah, like, even a pastramian rye on Fairfax. I can't even get a good one. But I did eat like a king. I was on the other side of the hill.

I got put on into a whole bunch of different food spots. I apologize, L.A. I'm here humbly to say, I'm sorry, you guys do have good food. I was just in West Hollywood eating Saddle Ranch every day. Yeah, no, I should push. Which is still good food, though. That cream corn, you know?

Y'all like cream. You love cream corn. Me. Y'all go all the way to L.A. and can't wait to get cream corn. Yeah. It's fucking disgusting. I get it every time. Comes with a bull, though.

This shit is mashed. It's like a troth of cream corn. Creme corn is like somebody threw up and they was like, fuck you, just warm it up. Yeah, I'll take two. That's disgusting. Y'all look crazy. Just with Gary.

Baby, Dee, why are you looking at it? I don't like cream corn, baby D. Why are you looking at me like that? It's just, the only thing you eat in LA is Saddle Ranch. Like, that's just. That's the white. You see them? Well, not Julian all the way, but, you know, get it.

Salar Ranch has good food. It's big portions, too. No, it's a good spot for where you are. Saddle Ranch is just BBQs, man. Cut the shit. It's better than BBQ. It's better than BBQ. It's better.

They just have a mechanical bull That's it This BBQ's up VBQ should get a mechanical ball Y'all would not go to Saturday They'd shut down time square No literally Like it would be way too much one on it

You do care about the bull Julian don't do that Damaris rode the bull Let's talk about what you got on the ball You was upset when you went there one night and they said The bull was out of order You was fucking mad You f***

Damaris walked in and took the hat off the wall And said I got next Before she ordered her food I didn't eat there I just went there and rode the bull Oh that was it? Yeah Oh you were a real psycho

just went there to ride the bull and walked out Which by the way she never even told her she was coming to L.A. I went to use the bathroom. I come back out. She's sitting in my barstool. They were being so weird to me, but we ain't going to talk about it. Because you just showed up to L.A. and didn't tell, like, all right, you know how weird it would be if you had been in L.A. all week and one of your closest friends didn't tell you they were coming to L.A.,

you go take a piss, come out and they're sitting in your seat. It was weird. It was like surprise. It's not my birthday. No, no, no, no, no. If Rory was out on a birthday trip and I came to L.A. and didn't tell him that's different. You were on a work trip.

You weren't my friend. You were my boss. So no, I wasn't coming to tell my boss who was working that I was also in the town they were working in. No, I ain't here. Okay. But then you pulled up on us at Saddle Rand. Because I felt bad.

Yeah. It's not like we ran into you. She just tried to surprise. She drove the GPS there. That was all. Nah, I just, how you knew they were in? No, because Benner found out I was in L.A. Nobody.

So then I knew. We all knew you were in L.A. We knew you were in L.A. Because Bitter told you. I didn't know. I had no idea. We knew he was in L. L.

the call. Well, as soon as you landed. The marriage is here. I was like, oh, word, that's what's up. I didn't know she was coming out. Yeah. When I land, they check in with me. And then you called me. It was like, yo, can I have your room key because I want to go to the pool? I got you. That's the only reason she called me because she went to go to the pool. That was the only reason she called. The calamari is amazing. When I land, they check in with me. The 60s check in and see if they're okay. Yeah. Make sure anything good. See if the big home we need the corner. Oh, man. Anyways, can I tell you guys the most narcissistic

thought I had on the plane to L.A. One of them? Okay. I don't have a lot of those. My head is a mess. I suffer from insecurities. Furthest thing from a narcissist. Whatever the opposite is. The last time I took a week off, sort of,

was when Kendrick and Drake went back and forth for a whole week. Yeah, you know how to go off from that. I was like, it would be just my fucking luck for Kendrick, Cole, everyone to just drop this week. So then I started thinking, well, you know what? The culture can thank me, get something big this week because I decided to take a week off. Nothing happened.

I do nothing for the culture. Everything was no one. The culture was completely fine. Everything was okay. Then I was kind of upset like, damn, I wish something would have happened. No. Well, some shit did happen. What happened?

It wasn't that too crazy. But some shit happened. Well, I mean, since the last time we sat down, Baby D, Mike Tyson and Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight happened. Yeah. Yeah, that happened. That wasn't big shit at all. That wasn't the culture.

Yeah, it was big shit. It was one of the most watch sporting events ever. It sure was. It was big shit. Let's not, let's keep it, let's keep it in perspective. The, the outcome wasn't what we expected or what we thought was going to happen. The intro, middle, the entire thing wasn't. Listen, man, the lead up all, hey, Mike, them videos you was posting working out, man.

What happened, man? I just want to know, what happened. Well, Mike got sick and was in the, and was hospitalized. That's, that's something that I factored in. I factored that. For sure. I said, I don't know, we don't know exactly. I watched the, they had like a three, three episodes series, Tyson Paul on Netflix.

watched that and they kind of documented when he had an ulcer? Yeah. I think he had. Something like that. So I factored that in. I said maybe health-wise, 58 years old, you know, that I've never, thank God, had to deal with an ulcer, so I don't know what that does. Physically, I'm sure it affects you.

Survivor of AIDS? Well, he's, Mike is, listen, he's a living legend, man. The best thing we got before we do get to the fight was the intro to this, which, I mean, it's a Tyson fight, and he's notorious for having amazing rollouts for his fights.

So within one week, we got Mike explaining what death and legacy was to a 10-year-old. Loved it. And then doubling down once I thought the interview was over. Oh. She calmly asked him such a nice, like, you know, and Josh, she's an amazing interviewer. I think she's going to go on to do great, great things. I'm sure a nice question that her management parents, everyone was like, just ask him this. Mike, he's 60 years old.

He's a deep guy now. He takes toad. He probably has a really good question about. you know, what legacy is to him and what this means for the rest of his life. He's got kids. You know, he'll probably get into like some real reflective shit. And he said, nah, we're going to die and it doesn't matter. Death.

Just think about death. You're in the dirt. Stop thinking about your life because you're going to die. Ten year old. Did he not? She had nightmares that night. Did he lie? No.

He looked like he was ready to die in that ring. Well, I mean, he... Okay, let's not, we're not going to be disrespectful. I'm not disrespecting. He didn't look like he was fucking awful. That was a stupid ass fight. No point did Mike look like he was going to kill over and die. Jake being at least having some level of decency and respect,

knew to lay off all the gas and just coast that out until the very end. He could have killed him. I'm also pretty sure, which I think I said this, when we first found out this fight was happening, that there was a clause in the contract that neither one of them. That he can't get touched? That neither one of them can knock each other out. Well, they're saying that there was closed that it had to go at least six rounds

in order for Mike to get the full $20 million. It couldn't be, Mike couldn't throw up a cut. You couldn't throw up a cuts. Just some other shit. I don't know how true that is, but there's some things came out contractually. So Huqid actually broke the news,

said he talked to one of the Paul brothers. And whether you guys want to laugh and say who kid being a source is funny, if you're of a certain age, you actually know Huqid has been reliable for a lot of gossip for the last 20 fucking years. And he's been right every time.

Said he spoke to one of the Paul brothers and there was a clause in there that they couldn't even really go at each other like that at all. Yeah. Everything we saw on the screen, makes sense to whatever that clause could be, which, listen, I'm happy that both these gentlemen got money, especially Mike, because he's overdue for what they did to the cold crush.

I'm happy anytime Mike Tyson gets money. I think Jake Paul might have just ruined this amazing genre that he created. Not that he needs this money anymore per se. I'm sure he could retire now with the $30 million that he made. But who... 40, don't show it. My apologies. Yeah, don't short him.

He needs that down. And first of all, the Paul brothers, 40 mil is just wiping the ass with that shit. Is anyone going to care about another one of these fights again? No. Like, it's done. I feel like they killed the genre. You already have- No one's going to go into any of these not-exhibition fights and give a fuck.

We know what's going to happen. I don't care anymore. Well, real fighters have called, Tank Davis called out Jake Paul. Jake ain't a fight tank. Of course not. That I would pay for it. The current light heavyweight champion said he'd fight Jake, which to me,

that's a fight worth watching. I would never watch that. I would never watch another jig. The only way I would watch that one. I'm not watching him fight another old man. It's like I'm good on like these legacy fights. I have respect for what both these brothers did with the genre and how they made boxing. They brought boxing to another level when it definitely needed it,

even if it is amateur and sort of a mockery. I'm never going to watch another one of their fights unless they come out during the rollout and say, hey, that Mike Tyson shit, we put in the claws that we were never going to go out of each other. that fight was a hoax and bullshit. This one isn't. Look at the fine print. I'm fighting this guy. Then I'll watch a Jake Paul fight.

I'm done. I'm kind of off the, we got to remember. Jake Paul is a YouTube. He's a streamer. He's a content creator. He's a content creator. So, I mean, he's created content big enough

to get in the ring with Mike Tyson. His brother created it enough to get in the ring. Didn't Logan fight Floyd? Floyd. Yeah. Like, so, you know, they set out to do something that they probably never thought they could do. And they did that.

They made a shitload of money. This fight was one of the most watched sporting events in history. They broke Netflix. Netflix wasn't even working after a while. That's the biggest loser in all of this. Netflix, get your shit together. They look crazy. And they better before they have Beyonce performing,

Beyonce performing on Christmas. And was it a troll on Twitter? Am I getting charged an extra $20 at the end of the month? Because I clicked that shit? I don't think they would have to alert you of that. That's probably. I thought maybe that was in some fine. I didn't know about.

When they go on Facebook and say, retweet this or else your page gets deleted. There goes my naive ass. Oh shit. Got to retweet this. Yeah, this was really difficult. Just back to like the actual fight itself, it was really difficult to watch. Like it wasn't a fun watch at all. It wasn't. It was the biggest waste of free Delta Wi-Fi that I've ever used in my life. But the only punch that I feel like counted was Tyson's slap during the way in.

So to me, Tyson won, though, fight. Well, that was the part that was, again, all marketing. Of course. That sold it. They even did, like I said, three-episode series on Netflix, kind of like, you know, just the cell of fight leading up to it. Everything was there. Everything was there.

Mike was putting out videos throughout the year of training, getting into shape. Yeah, he looked like Ben Simmons. He looked fast. He looked sharp. Then again, he did get sick. So, again, we got to factor that in. But you can see it. One mover, Mike did his signature, you know, side-to-side duck and come up with the left hook.

You could tell, like, he held it back. and even Jake saw that he could get an open shot and he jumped back and kind of like. He's like, I'm, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. Like, he just knew that muscle memory, like that would have been the shot that would have put him to sleep. This was on page three of our contract.

Yeah, you could tell Mike held back and didn't let that left hook go. And then Mike caught him with a straight left jab one point, knocked him back. It was just a basic jab and knocked Jake back on his feet. So you can tell that Mike, it still has the power. He still, he still can land punches. But obviously this was a fight

where certain things just weren't allowed. Jake Paul would have gotten seriously hurt if Mike would have let his hands loose an head or whatever could. That's where I disagree with you and I. Yeah, towards the end of the fight, yeah. A 60-year-old man lost some gas in the last three rounds. If there was no claws in the first three rounds,

I think this is a different fight. I don't think Jake beats the brakes off him. I think it's way different. Tyson landed 18 punches. In this structure where you have to go six rounds. You can still fight. He watches his feet. Neither of them fought.

We've seen Jake Paul fight before. He's not a bad fighter. He didn't fight. He was flat-footed and could hardly, like, catch him. It was hard, it was hard to watch. It was like, why is this guy doing this? I get it. There's money. I get all that.

Like, I know why he's doing it. But I'm saying it, like, to think that the marketing behind this made this even a fair fight, you're looking at a 27-year-old kid in his prime versus a nearly 60-year-old man that just got out the hospital. What the fuck are we talking about? And the 60-year-old man went eight rounds? Was eight rounds? Yeah, because they danced for fucking 34 minutes, whatever it was.

He took some hits. He threw some hits. I mean. No, I mean, he did enough to survive the fight, but it was a joke of a show. No, but that's what we got that part. We understand that this was a- Jake could have killed him. That's all I'm saying.

And to me, the only recommendation that got tainted was Jake's. I don't think Jake was very nice. And I have very little few nice things to say about this kid, but he was very nice with how he handled this fight. Jake, Jake could not kill Mike Tyson. All right. Jake doesn't hit hard enough to kill Mike Tyson. I don't think he could have killed him. Mike Tyson has been hit by George Foreman.

Yeah, 30 years ago. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. These guys aren't made. They're humans. Bodies deteriorate. He's nearly 60. He can barely walk in the ring.

You're right. But what I'm saying is when you're a fighting machine like Mike Tyson and able to get your body, Mike was in shape. Mike ain't going there looking crazy. Mike was in there cut up. Still had his size to him. Yeah, but his legs. The legs are just gone.

The legs were gone. Yeah, his legs were not in a good position. Listen, man, I just know that Mike had to, it's either all enough. with Mike. He didn't, he don't know how to go in and, and, and he give half a fight. Like, it took a lot for him not to let his hands go. Tractually, he did. Yeah, no contractual, but I'm just saying he could have broke that contract and let his hands lose. And that's why I can't really critique either of these fighters, knowing that there was a clause that they were not allowed to fight in a fight. Exactly. And Mike, yeah, Mike is worse at not fighting than Jake Paul

is at not fighting. Right. Should we put it that way? No, Mike doesn't know how to not fight. He's been fighting his whole life. He doesn't know how to not fight. He knew that this was obviously you know, this is a fixed fight. It's just for entertainment. I can't go in here and really hurt this kid, even though I feel like he could have. Clearly, you look at some of the highlights. Mike didn't let his hands lose when he had wide open shots to let his

get. I mean, Jake's hands were beneath his waist for more than half the fight. Like, he was dropping his hands. Like, he was just, because he knows, he didn't come to it. All right. Well, let's, okay. Let's just, I feel like we're all saying the same thing.

We're not. Different way. I, but I feel like. Jake would have killed him. That's what I'm saying. We watched it. He could have. Nobody killed Mike in their prime.

You're talking about shit that happened in the fucking 90s. Yeah. And Jake Paul's not strong. Mike has got a asshole is not strong. You think Jake Paul hits harder than George Foreman? Do you think Jake Paul is harder than George Foreman? You're talking about shit like what are you talking about not being able to kill him? I'm talking about not being able to kill him, bro.

That's what I was in his prime. Yes, if 27 year old Mike took a hit from George Foreman, he probably wouldn't go down. Cool. Yeah, I agree with you there. think George Foreman hits harder? Do you think George Foreman hits harder than Jake Paul's ever hit in his life? Mike also wasn't 58 fighting George Foreman. I'm asking you a question. Do you think George Foreman hits harder? These are hypotheticals that make any sense. Let's talk about what just happened. They are. They are. He's still a fighter, bro. Just because he's 58 doesn't mean he can't take a punch.

Okay. All right. Okay. Let's agree. Let's just agree. Let's just agree. Yes. He can't agree to disagree. He wouldn't agree to disagree. He wouldn't. No, I'm not agreeing with that. No, he would not have. He doesn't have a capability. This is not Nate Robinson. He's fighting, the fuck is wrong. It's worse. It's worse. No, I'm saying it's worse for Mike. If Mike were to fight Nate, obviously, yeah, whatever.

Listen, man, Mike is not dying at Jake. Look at this foot. Come on, bro. What are you guys talking about? Yes, Jake Paul is better at not fighting than Mike Tyson is it not fighting. Just rewatch it. I don't know. What you guys are holding on to this glimmer of this Iron Mike facade?

I get it. He was that guy. He was that guy. He was that guy. He's a six-year-old fighting a YouTuber. He's 50-year-old. No, it's not Iron Mike. That's Wi-Fi Mike.

That's Dial-up Mike right there. You think I have Iron Mike Tyson in my head during this entire thing? No, a 60-year-old man is getting a bag from a YouTuber that turned in to be a pretty good amateur fighter. All right. I commend it. But to know that there was more than likely a clause that no one's fighting, I can't critique either of them in this. And no, I don't think if we were going three rounds, Mike's 60 years old with no clause whatsoever, that's a completely different fucking fight.

Jake Paul has never seen the angle six-year-old Mike Tyson could do ever in his life. It's a way different fight. Kicky, because. Jake Paul has never seen a Mike Tyson's angle in his life. How do we feel about the intros?

Loved it. Worst intro I've ever seen him all this. You didn't like a Jake and a Logan? I literally wrote in the group chat. This is the worst intro I've ever seen in my life. It was very much like suburban white, kids getting some money to do an intro. But wasn't that, I mean, wasn't the whole thing

for Jake's intro? Wasn't that Mike's song? Yeah. I get it. Like, cool. I wasn't mad at the car thing. It was cheesy, but I think respectfully, they're both cheesy. And I think that's why they've been successful because they have no problem being cheesy on the internet. So, yeah, they cheezed it up.

Now, Mike turned around after he hugged his son, kiss the sun, and them cheeks was out. That's when I knew it was going to be. I was like, yeah, this ain't going to go the way we think. Mike in the lock. You keep saying, we, I meant to ask, you know so crazy, I meant to text you right before the fight happened and say, hey, did you put your bet in? Because I remember you were saying that you didn't want to bet against Paul because you thought everybody was going to bet against Paul.

And I'm like, I don't pay. It wasn't enough pay. Like, if I would have took Mike, it wasn't, you know, probably won 500. If I had to put a thousand, I think I would have won 1,500 or something like that. So it's like, it wasn't really. But the odd, yeah, the mistake. You keep saying it's what we, it's different from what we all thought. You're one of the only people who thought that Mike was going to win that fight.

Most people didn't think that Mike was going to win that fight. No, people thought Michael's going to win. There were some people, but you weren't in the majority. Like, when you kept saying that. I think it was pretty split, 50-50 on how people thought this was going to go. Maybe it's because, you know, my algorithms are younger. I didn't see anybody saying that Mike was going to win that fight. It was 40, and then there was the other 10% that I think were like,

we don't even know what the rules are. So how could we even gauge what this fight's going to be? But, listen, based off that training that we saw Mike doing, Mike ain't, he ain't though one of those combos yet. Not one. That's when you just got to know like, all right. They had to sell a fight. They did all of that.

Show Mike getting into shape. The win was Mike getting into shape, being able to go eight rounds. Like to me, that was the win. It was like, all right, Mike, you were at 58. You got back in shape. You look great walking in the ring. I think that's what, and I think that's what Mike, the reason for Mike doing it because, yeah, it could have been for money.

Obviously, $20 million. There's a lot of money outside of all the sponsorships and shit he probably got. But I think it was more mentally for Mike to prove to himself that he could get into to that type of shape. Yeah, it was a personal thing. He had the ulcer, come back from that being in the hospital. So it became personal. Mike just wanted to see if he can get his body back to some type of condition

to where he could. He was in pretty good shape for the Roy Jones exhibition, but then obviously the hell of the show. He looked better at his fight, though, I think. I think so, too. Yeah. I mean, not in the ring, but as far as physically. Physically, yeah.

You know, my algorithms are kind of crazy with the conspiracy shit. So I definitely had a few tweets saying that the ass thing was Mike's humiliation ritual to get into. to the Illuminati, and Mike would have been in the Illuminati years ago. And I don't think he's trying to get in the alumni chapter at this point. But, you know, what would be all like humiliation?

I can never say that word correctly. Ritual. Do it again? Humiliation. I would have to do only fans. That's humiliation? You're not humiliated. For me, I would be humiliated to get fucked on camera for the world to see it. You don't have to get fucked on camera?

What the fuck are we talking about? There's different levels of OnlyFans. Okay, well, that's what I was talking about, the fucked on camera kind. I feel like for the, the Illuminati to at least consider it in the application, it'd have to be with someone consensually that you, but also wouldn't want to have sex with. Like, you have to do it so you consent, but it's with someone that would be embarrassing to have sex with. That'd be

the only way I think they'd start to, you know, put you through the vetting process. If all you have to do is show your cheeks on Netflix, the Illuminati is crowded. Might get that. Might get that. I don't give a fuck, hey, man. You're going to walk around, let the whole, how many people, many, million people watch that fight? Too many. They all saw Mike ass that night. Mike can't give a fuck. That AIDS thing sent me to the moon.

It was the funniest shit. 60 million households watched. Even when we talked to Mike years ago on his podcast, like, that's how Mike talks now. That did, I mean, it shocked me in what exactly he was saying, but when the quote ended with Mike Tyson, I was like, oh, that checks out. For those that don't know, he was saying that a lot of. of his friends are dead and you know he feels weird about the entire thing especially because one of his friends died of AIDS and that friend and him fucked the same girl at the same time

raw and he got the AIDS and Mike didn't get the AIDS Iron Mike so you know the dick being that's got that's got that's God telling you you're here for a reason to fight Jake four because he got hit like I got hit so he ain't fucking wow wow wow and and you don't even know the connection between 50 and Mike that goes even deeper like what was 50 really talking about? Wow. We know what 50... Bragging about...

I was everybody saying, wow. No, I was saying wow that he said that line to that age thing. That was fucking crazy. Homo was Mike's friends? You don't even know. Bragging about skirt in the age, but your homie dies is crazy. Yo. Yo, and again, I don't want to, like, make light of that situation whatsoever.

But, like, imagine you getting that news from your man. It's like, you know, remember, like, when we rawed that chick together. And of course you're like, yeah, of course, bro. Like, that was our thing. That was our thing. Like, you know, you know when you- That was a regular Wednesday?

You know when you run into a friend and like y'all reminisce on some fun times? Like, damn, man, we was wilding back then. Yo, I got AIDS though. Come again? You have what? Did she die AIDS too? The- He didn't get that far into detail.

I thought they both died. Okay, I thought, damn. Woo. I don't know. What do you think? What do you think those three days of like, waiting for those results would be like. I think Mike was at the gym. I don't think he really cared.

Knowing Mike, he found out like 20 years later and never even got tested. Yeah. Damn, that's crazy. I'm good. Yeah. You don't get tested. You don't get tested. You don't get it. That is true. That is actually a scientific fact. You cannot have an SDD if you do not get tested for it. Maul doesn't want to talk about this, but I'm going to force the transition. Do you guys think in this era of influencers teetering into professional sports and in kind making a lane out of it. Do you think that that could happen

on the Olympic level? I think that they're banking on us being stupid just like the Paul brothers. Well, this is the difference. With the Olympic level, this is different because you can't fake the Olympics. He's not making the Olympics. You could try.

Of course he can try. He's not making it. Speed is an incredible athlete. We'll never take that away from. For streamers, yes. For sure. I mean, even whether or not, but the Olympics is not even

the percentage of the NBA or the NFL. It is the smallest percentage of human beings on Earth that can make it. It's 0.001 that make it. Only six people can make it to the finals in the entire world. I'm going to go with no. If that comes off as a hater, prove me wrong. No, this is just, this is content, man.

This is create content. I'm going to race Noah allows. No allows is not running full out against, what's his name? I show speed. What was the name? Speed. Speed. He's not built.

A name built for the Olympics. He's not running. Noah allows is not running full out versus this content. They did a 50 meter dash, and it was fairly close. No allows is jogging. Yeah. He's literally jogging. He's laughing at the...

Yeah, that means. He's hitting high knees. Look at his form break at the end. Listen, and I commenced me, though, because he's closer than I ever would be even in my top shape of track next to Noah Liles. So I commend him, but no, man, the Olympics is... That's a different monster. No, Liles is a different monster. monster. Like, he was having some fun. He sat on a panel over the weekend and said that he

hopes to participate in the 100 meter dash in the 2028, which would be in L.A., which he could probably set up his whole live stream. They could probably run the 100 meter dash at a Kai Sinat's house. In the basement. The final. Damn, Kai's still streaming? 30 days? Yeah. Jesus Christ. He's going for your nose. He got everybody at his stream. I was looking. I'm like, why is R. NG. Herbo son? I'm going. Kai's dream, he just on there doing anything. I think they pierced G. Herbo's son's ear on stream on live. I'm like, what the hell?

It's cute. They almost docks the Jabberwockys. That was hilarious to me. What do you mean, almost doxed? One of Kai's friends took off one of their masks, and he ran into the room so no one could see him. Oh, for real? Yeah, it was a thing.

They were trying to do this dance. I don't know if this is the exact clip when they were trying to get it, which was cool and cute. But then at one point, Kai's man's grabs one of their masks and throws it off. Why would you do that little ignorant Y-N? I mean, I think it was probably in the contract as well. Because he ran away too swiftly after the mask came off. But, you know, let's not ruin the fun for what.

So we never found out who the Jabberwockies were. I didn't know that they were still like Anonymous. I thought they were like her and like eventually like it came out. I assume that it's just a dance group. Yeah, I'm sure it's sometimes it's a completely different 10. It's probably like the Blue Man group where it's like there's no face behind the movement. it's just the the unit

all represents the same thing so like they can do like the Blue Man group could do a show in New York and then a show in Chicago on the same night Is that really how they work? Yeah the Blue Man

yeah I think they have like a touring a rotating touring group but it's like yeah I think there's like you know some guys but there's like a save per show I don't know say there's like eight Blue Men that go out there per show and say like the starting roster

one or two are not available they have reserves that they pull up. I mean, I respect it, but that's a full group and collective. Like, when MF Doom was doing it, I respected it way more. You're one guy and just sending a whole other guy with your mask on. And people know it's not you. They're still going. Doom was so genius.

His fans got more excited when they got to see the fake Doom show. They just saw history like, yo, I was at the Doom show when it wasn't Doom. Yeah, it wasn't Doom. That's a different type of psychological warfare that you're doing with your fan. That's when you got them. Your fans get excited when you don't show. I'm not good. I wish I would go to a Beyonce show-in.

That's the fake Beyonce. And I get excited. I will be pissed. Oh my God. Who would be the fake Beyonce? I don't even know. Carrie Olson? Probably.

We're not doing that. I was joking. I was joking. We're not doing that. No, no, no. No, no. No, sing it. Don't say it.

Don't ask me what I'm talking about. I can't hit those notes. Yeah. What are you talking about? I love Miss Carrie, baby. Yeah, Fred Armisen was in the Blue Man group for briefly. No way. It's a random fact that I love.

Yeah, he was one of the drummer guys. That's hilarious. Is that how he got his start? Yeah, I believe before he did SNL. He was in the Blue Man group. That's random. Which is crazy. That's one of those really weird snapple facts that you'd have to return your

Snapple like, nah. Give me a real one. My money bag. So did you guys watch the Bill Burr, SNL? Oh, I assumed you guys maybe talked about that. You guys didn't get into it? No. No.

We waited for you, doppelganger. I texted Rory immediately. I was like, ugh. All right. You know, I rarely. S&L put the straps on them. Okay. SNO put the straps on.

I'm going to come in and try to be objective. They put the strap. I've never said a bad word about Bill Burr in my entire life. They put the straps on. But I have to be objective and really, it was tough to even get through seven minutes of Bill Burr. Yeah. Which is, hey, yo. Okay, all right.

I'll accept it. Just don't find me like Lamella. No, homo. It was tough to get through. through Bill Burr on a Saturday night. Maul, I kind of want to go with your theory. I hope to God that Bill Burr had a completely different monologue at dress rehearsals. Absolutely.

And then came in and was like, nah. Because it felt like he was just freestyling him pulling from incomplete bits that didn't even connect to the other thing. And no ideas were really flushed out. Remember we were talking weeks ago when it was announced? I was like, I don't, I can't see Bill Burr. taking the election, I think. It's too much pressure. It feels like something he just want to leave alone and not have to get into

the, no pun intended, the politics of that entire thing. If he's doing it, he must have like the tightest three minutes ever about this shit and can't wait to do it. It's okay. You keep saying pause. I'm trying to add to it. That was like,

like that. Like, what did he do all week? No, I'm telling you, SNL, the writers, the producers over there, I just feel like, because we know Bill Burr, and we've seen him. He's got classic standups, classic bits. This just felt like the higher ups were like, yo, certain things we cannot say, we cannot do. We're not doing that. That has to be the only reason.

There's no way Bill Burr went out there with his material, with his set, and this was it. Like, I feel like he had to kind of like call an audible last minute and just had to switch things up. Because this wasn't, this wasn't the Bill Burr that we know. Not at all. And I'm not sure exactly how S&O works throughout the week. I mean, I've heard other podcasts and other writers and, you know, Kenan Thompson and stuff. They write for two days. Then they do rehearsals Wednesday.

Shoot the stuff that's not live. Thursday, Friday, they do a full rehearsal. I don't know if they do the monologue. They don't. They don't cuff the monologue. So why? Especially for a stand-of-comedian. They never cuff.

There's no way anyone said, Bill Burr, you can't do ABC. And he, this is what he prepared. This is it. Okay. So that's not. That's not entirely true because the only monologue you cannot find on S&L's page anywhere is when Chappelle was discussing post-Canya West, Hitler, Jewish stuff. That was completely taken off their site. They also had plenty of jokes about child molesters.

Those all stayed. But when Chappelle was talking about a certain group, it was, you know, it's fine. They have the N-Words up there too, by the- No, yeah, yeah. No, but they can- But no, but Chappelle tricked them. Let me finish my thought. Chappelle did a completely different monologue

during the dress rehearsals. And then, because he didn't want Lauren Michaels or anyone saying anything about what he was about to discuss, then they went live and he did a whole different monologue. So to me, I don't know if Lauren and them are scared now of comics like Bill Burr that have that type of intellect level

and that type of talent. We need to know every last words you're going to say. And maybe in dress rehearsals, they weren't feeling what he was saying. So he was like, fuck, in one hour, I have to go freestyle this thing. Yeah. Whatever it was, I don't think that this is a set that Bill Bird prepared. I don't, there's obviously something that was off. We've never seen a Bill Bird set like this and all felt like that was bad.

This is the first time that's ever. I mean, if y'all know of one that happened before that, I may have missed. I'm pretty well versed. This is the first time I think everybody saw Bill Byrne was like, eh. What the fuck? Yeah, that wasn't, that didn't really land. Some of the sketches were good. I mean, obviously his monologue last time was incredible. and I think pretty much every sketch he was in on the last one was amazing. There was some okay ones.

I like the Buffalo Wild Wings coming off the October beer shit from the last one. The dad calls. There was a few that were funny, but I don't know. It was a weird night that I was looking forward to. Maybe he'll discuss it on his podcast,

but he didn't say anything yet. Not that I've seen, and not that I know Bill Burr, but as someone that's been a huge fan of his for a very long time, he pretty much holds shit down. I don't know if we'll ever know why that happened. There's probably a contract, too. But he's also just not one of those people.

Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't, he's not somebody that has ever, I can remember, like, making excuses or, like, giving explanations on what happened and why this happened and things like that. He's never really done that. So, I don't know. I also didn't seem what, like, many people, even talking about it, period, like, let alone backlash. I thought the whole timeline was going to be like, yo, this bird shit is awful.

I didn't even see anyone discussing it. Yeah, it's one of those things you see it happen. You're like, whoa. Okay. Respect him too much. I'm just going to shut the fuck up. I didn't see that. And watch something else now.

Yeah. It was very tough, tough to get. Still one of my favorite comedians. Oh, man, come on. Six minutes doesn't erase an amazing 20-year career. Absolutely not. I, you know, when Julian hit me, I, we had the exact same sentiments. Whoa.

Yeah. Yikes. That was tough. That was reactive. Yeah, me and Julian were definitely down after that monologue, but I know what made Julian very, very excited. Made me up. Made him cream in his jeans.

Cream corn. Cream corn. Cream. Made him cream corn. Makes sense. Oh, man. Jay Cole announced that he'll be podcasting sort of in an audio adventure journey, Oregon Trail, Pick Your Own Adventure, Sims game.

That's what I took from his post. J. Cole and E. will be running through the history of Cole's career in an audio excursion. They didn't fully say what it was. Cole came out on his IG and said he didn't even know what it was. So they're just calling it an audio adventure. It's an unstructured podcast. That's what it's giving. That's what I thought too.

Like audiobook meets podcasting. Yeah. Which I think is going to be really cool. Even Cole are great storytellers. I'm excited for this. Sorry podcast fans. I'm not here to hate on this at all. I'm going to enjoy every episode, I'm sure of it.

It is funny, though. Word to Elliot Wilson that Kendrick has all these guys reminiscing on their careers to remind us how good they were. How come Elliot got killed for that? Was I the only one that found that joke funny? Yeah. After 100 gigs and that... All of a sudden, now everyone wants to reminisce and show us how...

I mean, Puff's kids are doing it for Puffin for different reasons. But, I mean, it is nice that artists are controlling their story. That is what I really do appreciate. I can't speak. Appreciate about this. Same way we said about artists. Are there's not always control their story? No.

Well, artists the caliber of Jay Cole and Drake? There was. Do you think Drake and Jay Cole don't control their story? Well, I grew up on VH1 storytellers. That same guy's voice who I don't even know. We still don't know the fuck that was. That might have been the first AI voice. Cool.

We, artists never got to control their story. All right, cool. They're not the hero. Behind the music, never. I'm asking you, do you think Drake and J. Cole don't control that. But that's not what he said. What he said was, I'm happy that artists are now controlling their story because in the past, old artists, you don't remember. When has Drake and J. Cole not controlled this story?

Okay. I don't think you're comprehended. I am comprehending. I'm asking you, when has Drake and J. Cole not controlled their story? Tell me your time. I don't know the doc outside of an album rollout that was specific to the album that they've ever done because they were still coming up. They're just now veterans where they could do the history. of their careers on their own time instead of VH1 behind the music where they would get 30 press people that had never met these people whatsoever

and be like a source told me that this happened. They would just have talking heads that didn't even know those artists. That's never going to stop though, no matter who the artists is. You're going to have outlets. No, of course. And mind you, I'm also fine with other people doing docs on other people. Like, I think Cootie doing the genius shit, even though Kanye sort of had a hand in it,

Cootie telling that story was really cool to me. But I also like when artists are able to tell their own story because they were the only ones that were actually there the entire time. And this isn't like an interview where you need hard-hitting questions. This is just their story and their come-up. So I'd rather Drake give us 100 gigs so he can show us exactly what happened that day. Rather than someone that happened to know Boy Wonder's sister could go to VH1 and then get an AI voice to be like, well, then Drake cut this today. And he was really down that day. I like this. I want Eve and Cole to tell us about St. John's. I don't need another Netflix doc to tell me that.

They were in that dorm room. I'm just talking about when they wasn't able to do that. They haven't been at a point in their career to do the history of their veterans now. They weren't veterans before. And he also never said that they weren't doing. He never said that they didn't do it before. He's just saying artists these days are able to do that. We're in the past back in the day, the legends that we have were not able to tell their own story.

The, the, the closest thing I had to Kanye's shit before he started controlling his narrative was pictures of the car accident that everyone had already seen. of his face swollen and then some guy from VH1 telling us about it because he was reading an article from the LA Times that day. That's all I got

from the come-up stories unless Kanye was talking on last call. I didn't know the stories. It's different now with social media. You kind of get the artist's story daily.

But in like a doc form? No, not in doc form. I mean, documentaries have been around forever but I'm just saying I think that this is a long form just what they would post on socials,

what they would post. on their story, their IG. I like it. I'm not mad at it. But when you say I'm glad that they're able to, I feel like a guy like Jay Cole and Drake have always been able to But here's the difference. There's a big difference between if he were to post. When I'm saying nobody, it's not that nobody care.

What I meant by that is they're at legendary status now. It's the same thing with Roy, like with Elliot's joke. Like, yeah, everybody is trying to go through their careers. Yeah, because now they're like heading towards the ender later portion of their career. Nobody wants to hear about your story when you're in the middle of your prime or like when you're, like nobody, we want you to be a legend before we want to really, really hear about your story. Yeah. And Cole, it's very, back to narcissism. If you are doing docs about your career and you're like two albums in, that's very narcissistic. Little baby did something

like that. Cole is now, I actually really like that baby doc. I don't think it was about his career in life, like legendary status. It was really just where he was at currently. Okay. That's good. from the early days to now. But Cole, this being his quote unquote last album, the falloff, I think it makes sense to do something like this. And let's say Lights Pleas came out in 2024 and he was able to post the video of him making it.

Cool. I think it's different when someone 20 years later can look back at that footage and now have a different perspective of Lights Please at that time. Rather than them just posting it and us being able to see it. I think it's a way cooler.

Didn't he give us a document for Forest Hills? Yeah, but it was more so about that specific house and what it meant. It was about around the album. Yeah. Okay. This, the come-up was one of his first mixtapes.

Yeah, but to Rory's point, this chronicles his whole career. That doc, which was great for the 24th Hills one, was specific just to that time period, that album. A little bit of history because, yeah, like the home being significant his childhood, but that was all wrapped around the theme of the album. This is going to be his whole career.

I'm excited for this. I like this form. of audio doc type shit where you are adding in old clips. To me, I think it's going to be like cereal, but Cole's life and no dead bodies. And what we were saying briefly before we recorded,

like just as someone that's spent time more with Ebe, not so much Cole, but just Ebe alone is a great storyteller. So I'm really excited to see the two of them go through these times together and kind of reminisce. And Cole has been private. I would say. Yeah.

I mean, he's definitely given us a lot of information, but probably not at the clip of most artists, his age or younger. I would love to hear about certain aspects

of his come-up. And, you know, from the come-up to Lights, please, which changed everything for him. That went to Jay, to the Come-Up project, to then really being signed,

trying to find a first single with who that. Like, I think that's going to be having a revamp because nothing was working and going back to mixed tapes with Friday night lights.

I think it's going to be an interesting story. Is he saying that this next album, the fall of is his last album? Yeah. But I never believe rappers. Question, because there's a couple of things here that they don't really give detail on. This says season one.

So should we expect? Well, yeah, it ends at 2014 Forest Hills Drive. His career doesn't end then. I know, but I'm saying when do you think they would wrap up or release the next one? Because, again, with the fall off still kind of looming in the background, Do you think this is a beginning of another push of the rollout?

I think we get season one, and I think we get falloff, then maybe season two. Or if he's doing another EP in between it, maybe something like that. It was a falloff sandwich. It's an L.A. Deli sandwich. It's awful. I don't know. You don't seem impressed or excited. About a documentary?

Or just about what they're doing? No, I want to see it. Yeah. I'm going to see. Well, hear it. I want to hear it. but I'm just trying to figure out what's, I know it's obviously a rollout album coming.

Again, it's cool to hear the stories and take us back to those times when he was recording and things that was happening. That's always, you know, dope. But I'm also, I just want to hear the music, man. I want to know him getting that album. And, I mean, I think it's cool too, not to, again, make this a big three combo at all.

But I appreciate how Drake has had the same crew with him since the beginning. I love that Cole is doing this with E. who was in the dorm room with him. I love that Kendrick left and is working with his man day free since high school. I think that's also very special when you have the person next to you

that was there for the entire thing when you get into this type of stuff. Because I'm sure artists are living in that moment. I'm sure a lot of their friends are like, you probably didn't remember this, but this was crazy. I just think it's a helpful thing that a lot of artists can't really do anymore.

And it's always interesting just to get, you know, the perspective of somebody that was right there. Yeah. versus the artist. The artist's perspective in that moment is always different because the artist is just thinking on a different plane. But, you know, having your best friend that was there the whole time, obviously business partners now, being able to tell some of those stories and, you know, relive those moments. It's always fun when you have, you know, that person that could kind of go off of what you're saying. They're like, nah, you don't remember when this happened, though. And that, while you was doing that, I had to go down the street and pick this up and that, it's always fun to have those stories. So I'm definitely looking forward to it. Like even Eve gave a tease, I think it was on It's the Reels podcast years and years ago of when he drove Cole to Rock Nation after Ove heard lights please. They were both working at a call center in Long Island or something. Skip work and like, you know, Eve didn't go in.

Only Cole was invited at that time. And he was just sitting outside Rock's office and like it had taken three hours. He's like, damn, I lost my job for this shit too. Right. Like I'm sitting outside losing my job because of this for a meeting that may not happen. Yeah. I think that perspective for people that either want to be managed, or be behind the scenes is a whole another element that makes that shit way cooler

than just the people that want to be artists. Yeah. Should be dope. And Scott, who was the one that has been called videographer for the majority of his career, has been with them the whole time. So I believe, at least in the trailer, you can hear his voice as well. So another perspective as someone that's the content guy behind the scenes as well. So it should be interesting.

We keep hearing. So it's just audio. I don't know. The trailer was video. It's never just audio. It's kind of. We don't live in just audio error. Well, the trailer is cut.

The trailer does a good job. I mean, obviously, you need a visual for like the trailer, but they do a good job of like showing every, like every, you know, phrase or everything they're saying is associated with a video that fit. So there's no doubt that they have the footage and content to carry this as a, as a film thing as well. They definitely have footage for sure. And also like the way Spotify is trying to fully move into audio podcasts,

having a visual connected to it in the app, I don't doubt that with this audio experience, there will be video clips of what they're talking about. Then if they go back to just full storytelling, there'll be photos in some type of video montage way. I'm sure they'll figure it out in that regards. It's called inevitable. Inevitable, yeah.

And we've also been hearing, I mean, not that it ever matters with Kanye rumors, but Kanye just spent a billion dollars on his doc that's supposedly about to come out. Spending a billion dollars on a dock is insane. I have to see those lines. Yeah, I just want to know, like, when people say things like that, can we just get like... They don't even do that with Marvel movies.

What's in this doc, Kanye? A billion dollars for a Kanye documentary? All right, man. You shoot it on like 70 millimeter. Like, what did he? Yeah. I don't care what he shot that on. I watched fucking the fucking Avengers save Earth.

And that budget wasn't a billion dollars. Shot on Super Aege. So I don't care what Kanye talking about with his documentary. It wasn't a billion dollars. I know that. But yeah, there has been plenty of reports that Kanye before the year was up, was coming out with his full doc. he was fully on board with kudis and then all of a sudden like his tone shifted when it came out and was pissed but you know it was weird to see conier change his mind yeah that never happens um on the other side though speaking of friends that are breaking up rather than coming together to talk about their legacy who breaking up horrible decisions announced uh well while we're recording this today that they are done this week will be their last episode we have some bittersweet news to share with all of you we've decided to end this chapter of horrible decisions

want to take a moment to express our heartfelt gratitude for joining us on this incredible journey. Your support has meant the world. Next week will be the final episode. Thank you for being a part of our story. Shout out to Mandy and Weezy. You guys are podcast legends. Horrible Decisions is a sure. I mean, to me, in the history books for podcasting. You guys change podcasting. We appreciate you. Wait, wait, wait, wait, because I like to dig into what they said. They said we're ending this chapter of horrible decisions. What does that mean? Because I wouldn't be surprised if they do something else, maybe a pop-up live show or maybe they're going to do something else. That brand is not going away. The podcast is going away.

They both do so much other stuff and they've been very transparent with their fans for years. Like outside of just their relationship as friends, they've had therapists on the podcast trying to get them back to being friends. They've also been very open about having other ventures and horrible kind of not being a priority to what else they're doing, that they're coming in and knocking this shit out in one week for a season and then going about their business to do other stuff. So this wasn't really like a shock to me with this announcement.

I've actually been expecting this announcement like five years ago. All right, cool. I'm so happy it didn't happen. I was about to say, listen, man. No, I love both them, so I'm happy it didn't have it. It's too good of a brand. That's the homies.

Love them. But I'm just saying like, bittersweet news for who? Like, I think anybody that knows, y'all know that that shit was like, I don't even. When I used to see new episodes, I'd be like, word? It was a surprise.

They were still recording because when I'm around them, it's like, y'all don't even know if y'all speak to each other. Yeah. So it's like to see them. When we did their show in Atlanta and they were in the same green room, I was like, oh, this is refreshing. And how long ago was that? Two years ago?

This is what I'm saying. They have their ups and downs, which they talk about. It's not anything worse spilling. Oh, no, yeah. They've been in a, but I think recently they've been in a good place. I think this is mainly coming because Mandy is moving to Atlanta. Yeah. What that mean?

Yeah. Well, it's harder to come to New York. But Easy has been back and forth between L.A. and New York. She's been in L.A. way more. Yeah, like, that don't mean. Yeah, I fucking miss my friend. She's in L.A. all the time. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

Like, she's in L.A. more now. Mandy is no longer in, like, New York just waiting first. She's going to be in Georgia. Like, I don't think that it's ending because of them. I do think he's ending because of other ventures. Well, it's ending because of them. They decided they don't want to do that. They can lock in for a week and shoot, like, a half a year of contact.

Yeah. They just. But I'm with Maul with the cryptic writing. We decided to end this chapter of horrible decisions. Leave the door open. This, this chapter. Yeah. They didn't say we decided to end horrible decisions.

You know, they're going to make money off that brand until they can't make no more money off. And they shouldn't. It's a great brand. Yeah. Shout out to Mandy and Weezy. Good luck with whatever y'all decide to do. Y'all have the support of Rory and myself. And I'm sure plenty of other so.

And I mean, look, Colin Eber now, you know, filling that void. Like that the horrible decision doors closing. That's the new horrible. Eve don't be pegging people. Eve is pretty much the new easy is what I'm saying. That's on brand for Cole. He made a horrible decision. You just couldn't let it go home.

You set the screen. We want me to do. What murder? What murder? That's funny. Oh, man. Anyways, RFK, I don't want to get into any political shit,

but nothing was funnier than opening up Twitter and seeing RFK getting caught next to some side shake he wasn't supposed to be with. That's like those videos when the guy takes Shorty to the game that he's not supposed to be with and they end up on like the love camera. McDonald's. McDonald's. No, but they said, they said healthy America starts Monday. They kind of leaned into it. It was cheap weekend.

So it's like when me, when I'm like, I'm going to stop drinking on Monday. But it's Saturday and like, yeah. Saturday, not tonight. Line up some rails. That's all that was. I like this. I'm going to go to the gym on Tuesday. Yeah. I like that. It's not saying we're not becoming these radical. Yo, let's just eat

carrot and celery on the flight. Like, nah, you can still have fun. Let's eat McDonald's tonight. All them old ass men do not need that sodium. They said this was RFK getting jumped in. This was his initiation. Let us know you're one of us. This is their version of saying, are you wearing a wire? They're hazy. Look how Elon eats fries.

He pours the ketchup inside the box. Elon has never ate food before. Yeah. This is just for show. Yeah, we still don't know if he ate that. He definitely didn't. Trump definitely ate his friends. Did you see the UFC fight, John Jones?

I saw highlights. I didn't watch the whole thing. He kicked that nigga so on his ribs. That sport is crazy, man. It's insane. That sport is crazy. Every time I watch the UFC, I'm like. Oh, it's literally barbaric.

Yeah, I can't believe we're watching this. It's odd that it's legal in like this sensitive time. God. No, that's barbaric. Yeah, no, that kick, like, he definitely broke a. He definitely broke a rib for sure. Something broke. When you go down like,

the heel of that. There's no way that his three or four ribs aren't shattered. Yeah. And then you just dancing. Oh, nah. He did the Trump dance. He did the Trump dance. Now I got to come back with the bliky.

The Trump dance. Got to do the Trump dance. Listen, man. That sport is insane. And the fact that overseas they're trying to do the like bare-fisted version of this is, even Dana White was trying to get involved. I don't know. like legally.

What is it, Slap Fest? No. No, they're trying to do UFC just with no gloves. I think the slap thing is worse. Dana owns that too. That's crazy to me because you got to just stand in

and love the IP from Ebro? That's crazy. You got to just stand there let it happen. You got to just stand there they give you a phone bar to hold behind your back so you don't move your hands

and you just got to stand there to do this counting. One, two, like lining it up to your face with chalk on his hand and you just got to stand there. That sport is crazy. I'm so happy I didn't fall for it a few weeks ago.

Kia asked me to do the tortilla challenge. Oh, damn. I was going to make you do that. We could do that here. What is it? Tortilla challenge is like, you know the bag of tortillas? Like the soft tortillas? Yeah, but you know, you can buy a bunch of them and it's relatively hard in that clear bag.

Yeah. It's like smack fest, one-on-one with the tortilla bag. Oh, you smack each other with a tortilla? I thought you're talking about with chiv. Not with a bag. It's just a tortilla. Yeah, just one tortilla. Tortilla.

Oh, I thought it was with a bag. No. And she really hate you. You know how that bag, somebody's swinging that bag at your face? Wait, she pitched it to me completely wrong. I didn't watch any videos either.

No, she just wanted to knock on the fuck you out. Yeah, she don't. No, but my thing was, I get a turn to, this is a setup. No, this is how you get charged. This is the Eagle Opportunity Sport. That's all? No, don't give me rules where I'm exempt.

How bored do we have to be to, like, create shit like this, though? I mean, we were flipping cups. We were flipping cups upside down and they landed. Yeah, but that's, we lost our shit. But like we ran out of the room. Buying the tortillas to just slap each other with them now? Oh, no.

I just. Okay. So all you do is smack with one tortilla. Where's the fun in that? I feel like one tortilla would hit more that would hurt more than a bag of them. You fill up your mouth with water or you're skipping a stick. Yeah, you put up your mouth of water. You try not to spit when somebody slaps you with the tortilla.

These guys are not breaking. No. They got cheap tortillas. You got the strong ones. They're also NHL players. They throw fists in each other's faces weekly. Yeah. This is nothing.

They're all, they're missing half their teeth. Keith. You know what? Is it illegal for like NHL players to train in the offseason with boxers? No.

I feel like that should be, there should be a clause. I'm all for fighting. I think it's what makes the NFL great. Harder they're training in is boxing. But Joe, if they really got with a real boxer? Yeah,

some of them do. That would be so unfair. This is stupid, okay. That's all right. Then Kia didn't trick me. She just wanted to do something cute. That's a fucking stupid ass.

Some cute. I thought we were taking full-blown tilting tilts. Smacking fire. out of each other's faces. I have a sour candy challenge that I want to do with you guys. I want you guys to do.

I don't play them type of games. Anything about with food, hot, spicy, don't. It's sour. You won't die from sour. She survived the mozzarella stick challenge. We made up, so. She ate six mozzarella stick. I ate 18.

She had 18 over like three hours. We patted those numbers of it, but, you know, I wasn't looking. We were performing. 18 over three hours, you said? Yeah, six an hour. Okay. Six and an hour. That's chill.

Yeah. You didn't have to shit at all. I did. shit. I think I had six. No, but the whole thing was you, you set that off on yourself. I know. I was a dog. You stood on business like, I could eat that. We like DeMaris. You cannot eat that many mozzarella. What's the sour challenge? It's just sour candy. What's the candy? It's like a jawbreaker type thing. It's just a sour, a very sour

piece of candies. Like a warhead in the world? Yeah, like a warhead, but worse. I come from these warhead streets. Like, my DNA is designed. Oh, now, I'm ordering. I'm ordering it tonight. So you're supposed to just put it, pause, put it in your mouth and see who can suck on it, pause, suck on it the longest. Yeah, no, I'm not playing that. I'll win. That's a sport I never played. Who can suck on it the longest? Who could hold the sour candy

in their mouth, the longest? Me. I've ate some funky pussy before. I'll be all right. You always run into that and it makes me feel like you got one in mine. A funky box? Yeah, I have one in mine. You never forget the funky box. How about to say, ain't no way like you was just eating like, no, I didn't, I didn't return. I didn't make it a lifestyle. I'm thinking of one and one

only. He was only there for one night. Yeah, I will never be a return customer. Did you guys ever do the saltine challenge? Like back in high school, not your high school. Or where like dries your mouth out. Where you have to eat like eight saltines or, yeah, something in like a minute. No. It's physically impossible.

But I tried that a few. What's the other thing? The sprite and the banana? That's a thing. No, because like it reacts. Put it in the tailpipe. It's a thing. Or it like bubbles or something?

Yeah, there's some chemical reaction. It's like the. Coke Mentos kind of thing. First of all, who's putting a banana inside a Sprite bottle? It's a chemistry thing. It's not happening. It's not going to work.

Look at it. Speed did it. And he's going to the Olympics. He'll do anything. That's the face of an Olympic champion. Do you want to see my diet for the Olympics? Sprite and bananas. Yeah, that's a thing.

So you eat them together? Apparently it makes you do this. Sprite alone will make you do that. I'm not getting the banana part. I don't know. I guess it's the way that the banana reacts. the banana reacts with the Sprite, I think it makes you like,

it's like the Coke and Mentos. Yo, who'd be the first person to come up? Like, we don't ever find the origin of this shit. Like, who's the first person that thought, yo, I'm going to eat a banana and wash it down with Sprite? It'd be easier now. The challenge is back in the day that we're on like E-BOM's world and shit. You'd never find out who did Coke and Mentos first.

Or the Salteen Challenge. Like, you'd never find that. You have to chug a two-liter? That's crazy. It's like not. The human body is supposed to do this. I'm just not that bored. Yeah, but it's for content

Yeah, I just don't This guy looks like he's tried all the challenges Wait, so this challenge He hasn't missed the challenge That's missed the challenge, right? Wait, so the challenge is just to try to chug a liter of Sprite I guess that's the part of it

That's just stupid There's no other element to that Yeah, y'all got to just go to the gym You chug a two liter And then I guess you try to eat a banana I don't know Then the potassium just hits that Yeah, just hits those bubbles

I don't know I don't fucking know. They're going to start adding that to festivals. They'll be just a challenge stage where everyone just comes up that is popular on TikTok and they just challenges of funny. That's just a bad idea. That's a terrible idea. They had a podcast stage.

You don't think a challenge stage is coming soon? No, I hope not. I hope not. You didn't go to Camp Flogna? No, I didn't. I left the day before because I had to go be a responsible parent, but don't think it didn't cross my mind. I was definitely thinking like, hmm, he'll be aided another day.

Or two. Or two. Um, the lineup looked insane. All the clips looked incredible. Yeah, I was mad. I missed it. I was, I definitely had a little fomo looking at everything on it. It did look amazing. Um, Dochie's performance looked crazy.

Her coming on on Tyler's set was, was nuts. Mustard. I don't know. It just looked like a good time. And how they had it set up, it didn't look like super festively to me. Mm-hmm. It feels like they, they put it together differently. But, I mean, what did you guys?

Doty set was dope. Yeah, it was just the set she's been doing on her tour, but with a way bigger stage. So they were able to fill it out with the background shit. Are you going to go see her? Has she been to New York already? She was at Webster, I think, one or two nights. Her tour is done.

I think this was the end of it. Damn, she had her ass out. Whoa. In 2024? Roy. Whoa. She is pushing the envelope. So sexy red came out, right?

Yeah, I heard that. She says sticky was about her pussy. That's all right. That's on brand. I'm going to grab a mop. It's getting sticky in this bitch. No, that's an STD. No, that's somebody that just did the Sprite challenge.

And now you've got to clean that shit. I was in here. They have a TikTok sticky challenge. I was in here doing it. And Maul came in and walked out. He was mad at me. I had my camera set up. I wasn't mad.

It's just like, that's just the world now. You might turn the corner to just, somebody doing the challenge and it's like, all right, man, I'm sorry. I've walked in a few times to this office and Damaris had all the lights on sitting in these chairs doing challenges. But I'm not able to take us to the next level, trying to get us, you know, the kids, Gen X, Gen Y, wherever the fuck there. Julian, I'm surprised you didn't fly out to L.A. for the flamp, uh, flamp Klaugnog.

The what? Can't fly a flog. No, this is one of the few festivals I haven't been to that I would like to go to. I would like to catch Tyler what he's in New York. That for sure. You're like the Flognaud demo. For sure. I'm that demo too, though.

Nah. Yeah, what? But Julian's really that demo because Julian wouldn't have went home to his baby. You're Coachella demo. No, I'm not. Yes, you are.

How? Have you heard your album? What about it is? Well, I mean, thank you if you think it's Coachella level. It is. But why do you, that's not like,

it's not like tame Impala. I think. To me, that's like, that's Coachella vibes. Yeah, but you got Coachella vibes. EO made a lot of sense on that stage at Coachella. Was that EO on your album?

Yeah, but I had them on a sound they had never been on, period, and still having sense. Okay, so who at Camp Flognaub was on your album? Jordan Ward. He's on my album. There you go. I think you're like the Lights Out Demos, Lights Out Festival demo. Hers Festival?

Oh, yeah. Whose festival was that? Her. Oh, Lights Out. Yeah. And the Blue Note Jazz Festival. I think I'm in that bag, too. But not Flognaw.

Yeah, no. I would say Flogna for Coachella any day. I don't, Coachella, I get it. It's an amazing festival, but it's not like my shit. I've only been once, and it was because EO was performing. Even to go see Frank, I wouldn't do it, just because I would only be going to see Frank Ocean. I'm not those other 30 artists? I don't know if I'm running to go do that.

Have you ever considered that maybe after your second or third album, you might be asked to put on a festival show? Yeah. Like with the artists that you have? I'm trying to do that for the second one. That would be cool. At Coachella? I don't, I'm humble enough to know that they will not be calling for the second album. You don't know that.

That's true. You don't know that. Don't put that energy out there. I agree. I didn't mean it in a bad way. No, I just, yeah, but don't put that way. I respect the grind. If Coachella did call you and say, this doesn't fit my sound, though.

What if they said we were going to invite you, but we heard the podcast and you said that you're not really are a vibe. So you're calling me to tell me that you don't like me anymore? No, that you don't like us. Because if anyone were to send us a clip to say, this is why we can't work with you, it would be that one. That's the clip. That's the one that would give me cancer.

It would be you saying, I don't know. I feel like I'm a little more of a blue note guy. I'll get him out of here. I don't know, man. Going to finish up the second album, I was on TMZ, like the stars are aligning. January 25th, all the planets are going to be aligned and visible in the sky.

And then I was on TMZ. I don't think that's an accident. It's happening. It's definitely happening. What did y'all say about me on TMZ? Because I didn't listen. You was talking shit. He said you looked like shit when you get off the flight.

I look bad. It went way better than I'm not going to lie. I didn't see the clip. It was a long wind. I could tell that whoever was interviewing you was a fan of a podcast. He was, yeah. Yeah. Good guy.

Yeah. Because he just looked like excited to talk to you. He was not asking you anything we gave a fuck about. I had a 6 a.m. What was they supposed to ask, Rory? I agree. Deversy, he wasn't asking me. The last time I was he supposed to ask.

The last time I was on TMZ, they asked me something. I said, what are you talking to me for? Justin Bieber's inside. That wasn't the last time you were on TMZ. Last time you were on TMZ was with Mom. Yeah. And I said, I'm driving my mom's Mazda. Stop talking about money.

Yeah, I was at a 6am flight. Kea and Amara had to go to Florida at the same time. Stayed up through the night. Didn't go to sleep. Landed, went to get my bag. The last thing I thought on Earth would be that a TMZ camera would be in my face talking about Grammys. Yeah.

But it went way better. Once I watched it two days later, I was terrified of what I said. It went better than I expected. I just looked like shit. Yeah, you just walk aboard off the flight. Yeah. It looked like you slept the whole flight.

I tried. Yeah. But that's not what you said on Patreon, Mall. So he looked like shit. You said he looked like shit because Roy doesn't sleep on flights. I don't understand why he can't sleep on flights, and he probably went through three bottles of wine. That's what you said on Patreon.

I wouldn't snitch. I didn't snitch if it was. You know I have access to our Patreon. You don't watch that. it is on my list to watch the Patreon episode this week. Are you going to watch the other episodes you missed? The ones I was on?

No. We had a minority report one. I ended up watching Minority Report. Oh. That wasn't on Patreon though. That was on regular. This was the only Patreon episode I ever missed, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I'm going to watch it. I'm going to know. I did sleep. I had to lay flat. Not to like Big League anyone. Not get your shit on. You know, that's my stuff.

You're talking to me, baby. If I didn't have the lay flat, flat, I promise you I would have stayed up and drank three bottles of wine. I can assure you of that, but no, I got right on that flight and knocked the fuck out. Yeah. And then woke up in LA to TMZ. But, you know, just another life, you know, staying the life from me. That's it, man.

TMZ, like, get off the flight to cameras in your face. Like, it's tough, man. I said, nobody knows the struggle. Roy sent us to me. I said, damn, you texted the guy to pull up on you? For sure. He said, he texted him his flight. He said, I'll be a gate.

See? No, you just send the flight number. Yeah. They can pull up everything. Yo, you know, Charac me, King. They know carousel the bags just getting off at.

They know everything. I gave them updates. You know, my bag hasn't come yet. No, he got the app. They can track the flight. What you come to the flight number? Just open the app. They track the flight.

They know. Since Van has left, I have zero people to text at TMZ. Shout to warn them that I'm ready to land. That's hilarious. Which I know people do. Which is kind of sick,

but I get it. No, you got to do that. It's media. It's how Kim popped. Also, as soon as I got back from LA, I found out that Kendrick Lamar was throwing footballs to Beyonce in that Super Bowl promo video.

You don't even see the connection. You ain't see it. Everyone thought Dave Free was trying to catch punts. Nope. Was Beyonce on top of a lowrider? Fire. That's what the field looks like on the other side. So Beyonce will be performing

halftime Christmas Day game. The Ravens versus the Texans. And we're probably going to get some great visuals. from Cowboy Card at this game. Okay, so is the game on Netflix, too? Yes, okay, so that is another thing I wanted to mention. Netflix for the first time is going to air a live game and it's going to be the Christmas game.

Netflix, this is Beyonce. This ain't Jake Paul and Mike Tyson. This is Beyonce on Christmas. Yeah, this is Beyonce on Christmas. Even children will wait to unwrap their presents. I don't know who else is on the Wi-Fi over there Netflix, but tell them to get off. Tell me the niggas the log off, turn your Bluetooth off, everything, because y'all need them routers free and ready

because Beyonce is going to break Netflix Christmas Day. You know, this is big. All right, I keep my cable mainly for NFL and NBA. Like, I hate having to find certain links. I just want to watch the game. Like, that's one luxury I prefer. I want to sit down and just click something. And if I'm not by my TV,

I want to log into fucking NBC, ABC, ABC, ESPN, whatever. Type in my Verizon credentials and watch the game. at the highest HD 10804K, 10,000 EP, KP shit that I could watch it at. Never heard of it. Now that this shit is going to Netflix, I know all the networks are shaking in their fucking boots on where the owners are going to sell their TV rights next year. Yeah.

This is big. Outside of Beyonce being on this shit, this is big. Yeah, the Jake Paul Tyson fight... Peace to cable if I can watch all NFL games on Netflix. Yeah. And then obviously, Beyonce doing halftime. Christmas Day now on Netflix.

I think they're setting the precedence of things that they're going to roll out into 2020. Well, that transition's already been happening. Like the Thursday

Prime, doesn't Prime own Thursdays in the NFL? Yeah. And which I'm not even, I'm not a big NFL guy at all, but like I'll be clicking around. I'm like, yeah. Why not?

It's on streaming. Like, why not? Just throw it on. But it also kind of goes to not even our theory, but everyone that's been paying attention to this for the past five, six years.

TV's going to turn into what music labels are. There's only three companies. They're going to buy up everything else. That's why HBO Max went to just max.com. It's probably going to be Max, Disney, and they'll find the third one, Amazon. And they'll just buy it. You think Netflix's out the running? I mean, Netflix may get bought up. Because to your point of continuing to do this shit is expensive and tough. And Netflix, we've seen plenty of reports that they have been in the red for a very, very long time. Netflix spends way more money than they make.

Yeah. So I could see a day that they're setting all this up and spending all this money just to value Netflix at a higher point to sell it. I could see this headache being passed on to another company. And also they're definitely like they're testing all of this shit out. Like that Jake Paul shit and all that. That's a, like they're testing all of this shit out. But this game being free thing is not going to continue. Netflix is eventually going to add and put an ad on that you're going to have to pay for them.

Oh, there'll definitely be like an extra if you want NFL package. it's another $20. But see, I would prefer that for just the season instead of just regular cable where I may not get every game and have to buy an NFL package. If I get Netflix just plus a NFL package,

I may come out better as far as my monthly allowance on entertainment. There's some version of that because Disney owns ESPN, so Disney obviously has Disney Plus, but then you can get an ESPN add-on. Exactly, but I'm saying... They try to keep them separate.

I'm saying when the owners sell the TV rights throughout the year. Yes, Disney's banking on them owning ESPN, but if Netflix is now in the running, I think that shakes things up a bit. That's all. Yeah. I did, I said Prime has most of all the Thursday games this year. Peacock had one game week one this year, so it looks like they're also NBC's in it. They've had the week one game Packers Eagles in Brazil. Shit forever. If Jake Paul Tyson did 60 million? Yeah. What do you think Beyonce does Christmas Day.

100. A hundred is big. Maybe 65, 70. Maybe 70. No, I think more than that. You think so? I think if Jake Paul and Mike Tyson did 60, Beyonce, you'd have to do more than that.

What did... Christmas Day? What did Beyonce? Literally, everybody's in the house. Fuck the game. I think you're leaving out the Beyonce part. I think you're leaving out the NFL meets Beyonce part. I don't think I'm crazy for saying 100 million.

I call 85 minimum. Yeah, both demographics. I think more. And Christmas Day? I think 100 is definitely like... Everyone's in the house. Yeah, doable. Christmas Day, I think 100 is like...

Yeah. Mom, Dad, Kid. All of us are sitting in front of the TV for an NFL game with Beyonce on Christmas Day. What was the numbers for Beyonce's Verizon ad that she did the Super Bowl last year? During the Usher Super Bowl. The only thing, and I don't know how this metrics works,

so I'm really just pulling out of my ass right now. The only thing that may fuck it up is everyone to be on the same device that day for the first time. Like, we're all going to watch it on the big TV. The kids aren't going to go on their device. I don't know if that changes the numbers, but everyone's not going to be on set. Well, they do households because there's 60 million households and that's... But I thought they split it too, even with devices sometimes.

If two people are watching at one time in the same house, that's still two views. I feel like they should do devices, but the article that I found, everything I found about the Jake Paul Tyson one was they used the word households. Okay, cool. So yeah, I was talking out of my ass. But... Because can some households have multiple more than... than one, you know what I mean? Because Netflix has like that home sharing thing where it's like, yeah, like to your point, if we live in the same house, but I'm watching something in my room.

I think they strictly go off of, because obviously the Wi-Fi, the router, things like that in the home, they know, okay, this is this household. That's not household. They would probably count if you guys were watching different things. That'd still count as household household household. But if you're watching the same thing, that's probably just, that's one stream. Well, we're going to come back after this, because depending on with the numbers that she does. I think it's only fair that we start talking about the next big event, which would be the Super Bowl. And what that means for that.

Like how many, because Beyonce, I think it's going to do well over 100 million households. I looked like, sorry, it looked like this peaked at 65 million concurrent streams. To Jake Paul Tyson? 65, yeah. Yeah, man. I think Beyonce, she might double that. Which was a record-breaking night. Christmas Day?

She might double that. The only other live stream event they did before this was the Brady Roast, right? Yeah, pretty sure. A-lister himself. Chris Rock was the first one I ever do live. Oh, you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, not right after the slap, but his first pop-up after the slap. That was the first experiment for live. Damn.

The Chappelle had a lot, right? Not that I know of. I think it's only been Chris Rock, Tom Brady, Jake Paul, Tyson, and then this NFL game. Rogans was live? Snooth first. Okay, I mean. And my bug, his stand-up sucks. I think Rogan would even say

it's probably not his strongest attribute. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm not. Is he a comedian or a UFC fighter? He started as a comedian. He started out as a martial artist when he was a kid. Okay. And then went into comedy,

then did TV with Fear Factor and forgot that other show he was on. He was the Fear Factor guy? Yeah. I always knew that he looked familiar. I used to be obsessed with Fear Factor. Yeah. But I never knew where.

That makes so much sense. I forgot what other show he was on before that, then Fear Factor, and still did stand-up comedy, and then started podcasting early before everyone else. And now he's that. But even, like, I mean, Rogan was never, like, the best stand-up. I don't think anyone thought that ever. Joe Rogan is a comedian, man. Like, that's not what people think about him is.

He just does it, but he's not a community. Y'all know who has a good stand-up that, like, I feel like people overlook. Well, back in the day it was Chris Tucker had good stand-up. He did. I like Chris Tucker's stand-up. But it was always good. Like, he would do good, like, 15-minute sets on, like, Shaq All-Star shit. And I think he had one 30-minute special that was good.

He just, when he got, like, Christian and shit, he disappeared at his peak. When he got Christian. He got Christian shit. He stopped cursing. Yeah. Yeah, a comedian, not cursing. I'm cool. Same with her rapper.

But also, like... Yeah, I just need my curses, man. I just add a little... You know what I mean? You got a bitch ass. They can be out there every now. He also kind of had the Eddie formula. of right well Eddie was a monster stand-up

but then he stopped doing it because he got so popular with movies like Chris Tucker was on the cusp being a great stand-up and it was like I'm doing rush hour two for a hundred million. Yeah, that Hollywood money is different. You think I'm going to an open mic tonight? I'm not yeah, I'm not doing Caroline. No, I'm sorry, I'm just not doing it.

I don't need the food. Yeah, studio just gave me a hundred million to do this next rush hour. I'm cool. Years ago, Neil Brennan asked Eddie Murphy was saying this on a podcast like why he wouldn't do stand-up and Eddie Murphy,

replied because I like going to Hawaii better. Like, I'm not going, what the fuck? He's fucking. I'm not doing stand-up. No. Well, Dr. Dooler 10. So is Kevin, is Kevin the first comedian to graduate to the movies and still stick to that stand-up?

Because we all know Kevin gets paid so much for stand-up. Is it because he- No. It's a bunch of comedians that- Who kept going? Like, no I'm saying. After they got to the movies, they kept doing stand-up. After they got so big in movies, they kept-cress.

Chris rock for sure. Okay. Yeah, Chris. Chris. Martin Lawrence definitely took a break, but Martin did like run-tell that at the peak of, I think, his movie star. Bad Boys was already out, the first one.

Yeah. And he would, even though people didn't like it, Black Knight, I liked, that was a box office movie, and I think he did run to all that like the same year. So Martin definitely did it. The Wayans brothers. They kind of got away from stand-up, per se. But one of them just put out a new special.

Yeah, but. You're trying to say, we all look a like? No, I'm saying I don't know which one put out the special. I think Marlon just put out a special. I think that's what you were saying. On Netflix. They all look exactly like, I can't tell black people apart at all. Yeah.

He actually thought they was like Play Brothers. They weren't even really. Yeah, he just put out one. That's my bro. He didn't know they was related. He's like, oh wait, you mean y'all are really brothers and sisters? My sister went back in, I'm sorry. Bernie Mac.

Yeah. I love Bernie. Cedric the entertainer. Kept doing stand-up while he was doing movies. it's still been a thing. I think DeMaris is so much to that level. To that level. Because Kav is kind of an anonymily like with who.

Yeah, that's a different level. Yeah. Kev as far as movies and stand up together, no, we've never seen anyone that has ever done it to that level. Yeah. Whatsoever. But I mean, even Chappelle got a few movies.

There's just so few actors at that level. So to do that? A list, you mean? To the EA list, yeah. To do so to do that. Don't piss me off. Is he? I mean, I don't know.

He only sold out the fucking football stadium. He did Jumanji 1 and 2 and then sold out the Eagle Stadium during the standoff. All in one year. I still don't know. We got to run the numbers, man. We got to see. I don't know. He's no Brad Pitt.

Yeah, I mean, he's no Tom Cruise, but you know, whatever. Yeah, I mean, Kev, I do commend Kev for staying with stand-up when he definitely didn't need to once he got to that. movie career. He was still pumping out stand-ups at least once a year while he was doing all that shit. That we've never seen. But at the level of, at the level that he was at the level that he was at career would make sense, just financially. He's like he's not doing, that's the thing. Like there's a disconnect where it's like you're usually much greater at one than the other. But Kevin was a list at both. So like, he was, it was financially responsible for him to do the big blockbuster and then sell out the Lincoln Financial that same week and also get like a fucking.

a half a million dollars for doing that for one night. But I also think he leveraged how popular he got in movies with like the mainstream audience because Kevin's standup is not astronomically. It's definitely not better than any of the comedians we named previously. No, but why he did it? Wait, what? Kevin Hart's standup is not better than Bernie Mac's standup. It's not better than a fucking Eddie Murphy standup.

Like it's, no. Oh, okay. No. I didn't understand what you was saying. Yeah, like his standup isn't as good as those guys. Those guys got big in movies, but stopped doing stand-up really once they got into... Well... But before Kev hit Super Super Stardom with movies, I thought that was some of his best stand-up.

Yeah. And I know people give Kev a lot of shit for, quote-unquote, playing the game. But if you look at the movies he was doing, his stand-up had to somewhat mirror the safeness, if that's even a word, of what he was doing. I didn't fault Kev for that. He was trying to take it to a different level. And you kind of have to do that. You couldn't...

Like, Andrew Dice Clay sold out the garden. But, like, Dice isn't safe. He can't go be a movie star and then talk about cock for an hour and a half. It's just not going to work. Who's an A-list that y'all feel is overrated? In what? In their A-listenessness. In their A-listeness?

Yeah, because I got one. Who? The Rock. He's over-office. All right. See, you got to go. Gone with that bullshit. Go on with that bullshit.

What is he overrated at? Because he's pretty much been doing the same thing forever. Exactly. Exactly. You just, I don't have to say none. It's the same roles in every movie. Even if I don't agree with the Kev thing, I understand what people say. Keb was funny at one point and then he became a super A-lister, some shit we've never seen,

and his stand-up comedy suffered because of it. The Rock has been the same guy since University of Miami D-end. But that's what I'm saying. All of his movies, his roles, it feels like the same thing. That's because he's good at it. Is Arnold Schwarzenegger overrated? Arnold Schwarzenegger is a way better actor than The Rock. Way better.

Way better. We're not doing that. I don't even know if we should be comparing it. actors with either of them, to be quite honest. Neither of them can act. This is one of my favorite graphics about The Rock is a screenshot from these. Those are four different movies. These are four different movies.

Wait, but are they all Jumungi? Because that's not fair. No, no, no, no. What I will say is this. I don't think it's that the Rock can't act. What I do think it is that there is something that works for the Rock. He's acting like he's an actor. And his type, but I think that's on purpose. His typecast makes him a lot of money.

I'm sure if he wanted to be an amazing actor, if the nigger wanted to go and attempt to try to be Denzel, I'm sure he could get a little bit closer to being a good actor. But I don't think that's what he's going for. His neck won't allow him to be a good actor. His neck too big. Can't be a good actor with that neck. I'm looking through every single rock movie right now.

His last movie was a pretty big flop. Since we're on topical stuff, it did 34 million first debut weekend. And what was the budget? quarter of a billion. The budget was $250 million. That reflects the movie business right now. So I'm not putting that shit on the rock. But if you're looking

at all the roles that he's taking, where in this says I'm trying to be a good actor or I'm trying to be anything that I'm not already? It's not his fault. He's A-LIS. I'm not this. I'm just saying my original question. It is his fault. He's a fucking works hard. Who is over? Okay, it's a lot of people in Hollywood

that work hard that aren't A-List. I'm just saying the rock, he'd be getting roles and money. And it's like, I just don't know if he's that. Like, I like The Rock. I fuck with the Rock. And I'm not having the same A-Lister conversation that we had before, but I'm going back to the return on investment outside of this one.

The Rock, say what you want about him. You know when you invest this amount of money, what you're going to get back, that makes you an A-Lister. All these movies have gone Diamond. Except this one. He puts butts in seats. Yeah. It's a bunch of people that do.

But I'm just saying, I just- In my fucking, though, he's one of those names where I see. and I'm like, I don't want to go see this movie. Yeah, but 100 million people do. Yeah. You're also not a family. How is it not true? Look at his last movie.

Well, I haven't even heard of that movie. So what I'm going to go on a limit and say is that they didn't advertise it. Don't we jump people by their last effort? No. 30 fucking movies that go diamond. You're going to go in the movie business and the fucking shitter unless you're remaking a Marvel movie. You're only as good as your last effort, right, mall.

We say that all the time. That is true. All right. The rock stinks then. No. He sat down in a chair. What a waste of talent. He sat down in a chair.

This is why. This is what annoys me by the Rock because he's like the LeBron James of like movies. He like, he sat down in a chair and he was like, we are just talking about people so disrespectfully. Because he sat down to a chair and had a one-on-one and straight up said, this is like,

he pretty much compared this film to Oppenheimer and said it deserves like the same IMAX. You need to give it the treatment that you gave Oppenheimer because it's on that level. And then it did what, three nickels in the box office? Well, did you watch it? No, I'm not going to go fucking watch it.

I don't watch any of the Rock's movies. Wait, hold on. You don't know if it's bad or not. All right, I'll take the critics word for it. Anytime he's not playing like a superhero or he's like the security guard for some kid and like changes their life, he ended gang violence and Gridiron Gang. Like that was a deep role. That was a true story, wasn't it? Yeah.

Have you seen a gang since that movie? Yes. Actually. Since the year 2006. Yes. Have you seen a gang? Since then, it's got worse. We pulled the numbers up.

It might have got worse. But I like that movie. That was a good movie. But I just feel like... He wasn't a bad actor. He played a deeper role than he usually does. I'm not saying the rock is a bad actor. Let me...

I'm not saying he's a bad actor. I mean, we recorded it. You did say he was a bad actor? Or did he was overrated. Maybe he said overrated. I apologize. I just feel like his roles are pretty much the same. Yeah.

And when you say... Like Arnold Schwarzenegger. When you say... Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rose wasn't the same? He did the same thing. Action Hero or like Daddy Daycare Action? Like, they all do the same thing. Gabriel, you?

Union also is another typecast actress who has a lot of this emrols. There's a lot of the same thing. So why they don't pay Gabby the same money they pay the wrong? Gabby don't put butts in seats like the rock put butts in seats. Did you ask that question just now? Why not? Return on investment. You're trying to say black actresses don't deserve that rock budget?

Because it feels like that's what you do. Why does Angel Reese not make the exact same amount of money as LeBron James? I don't know. I can't see a difference between their game. Yeah, no, seriously. I ask like the system is rigged. It's high-flying action mall. You said what?

It's high-flying action. The WMBA? No, it is. No, just Angel. She's a beast. She's an angel. Yeah. But I mean, he's like,

even though Vin Diesel was probably on a few more deeper roles, but he's just, it's action shit. Like, when have we looked at the action hero to not be the bad actor that just entertains us

with a big budget? Tom Cruise is another guy, I think is awful. I think he sucks. All right, guys. I think Tom is a little more. I'm the one that shit's on greatness. What are you guys?

I think it's cool that he does all his own stunts and all that, but I still can't get over like his little man complex and like how much he, like, overacts. I just don't think it's good. I do think that Tom is a, Tom is a little overrated to me. I'm not saying he's a bad guy. You guys seen the Missing Impossible series?

Did you just see his last movie? Top Gun Maverick is amazing. I watched it with you. You made me watch it. You made me watch it. And then every time he went to the bathroom, you rewinded it. I know. Because I went into that thinking, oh, God,

here's another fucking stinker of a remake. And I was at the edge of my seat the entire time. I like that movie It was a good movie Tom Cruise is a good actor Nobody said he wasn't a good actor I think he's a phenomenal actor But I also think that he's a little overrated

They treat him like he's the greatest thing To ever come out of acting And I don't think that that's true But did you cry during Vanilla Sky Yes or no? No, I didn't cry during Vanilla Sky When he took the pillow out and saw that It was not Cameron Diaz's titty

But it was really Penelope Cruz's titty You didn't cry? I would have cried That was American Cinema's tito And it was like, I was young. That was the first time like my mom let me watch tities on the screen. First tithies I saw. And it were great tities.

Titanic. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. First titty I saw too. What's her face? Kay Winsley, right? Great titty. Great titty.

That was the first titty you saw? Yeah. Outside of the magazines my dad had you. No, my first tits was better than that. No, you said your first tits was Queen Latifah in that one movie. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Yes, you did.

Yeah, you did. When she was looking in the mirror. Yo, this is why Demarstoned the first out one day. Titanic was 907. Titties I ever saw was Queen Latifas? In movies, you said Queen Latifah? In movies. You think it was Queen Latifah?

Yeah, no, we're talking about in movies. The first Titties I saw was not Queen Latif. Who's were there? Jamie Lee Curtis. Oh, yeah. You could mention that. But then you said whoopies or something like that. On the view.

Yo, I'm not on the view. Whoop. It was a nip slip. You're like, what are you talking about? Nobody's ever seen whoop. Titanic was 90. Who has seen whoopies? Maybe you.

I don't know. If anyone was in this room. Where would I have seen whoopies did. anybody has ever seen whoopies tities. If someone on the street came in here and said, if you were to say one person in this room saw whoopies tities, they would point, they would guess you.

Because I'm the oldest person in the room. Didn't she have a love scene in Eddie? I hope not. She took off her Nick's bomber. Nah, she's never, she's never had one. You had to Google that at the Maris? Whoopi Gower has never pulled a thing. Mr. Skin pop up?

She explains why she never did one. Yeah, because we were clamoring for one. Don't use this. If it were appropriate for the story. Maybe cut this out of the YouTube. You know I'm not taking my clothes off. Come on, Wolf. Yo, Queen Latifah is so fine.

She's very beautiful. Boom, boom. Okay. We would settle for Whoopie's Bush. That's funny. No, she was hitting her tits. I know I'm saying. If she doesn't want to do that, keep your shirt on.

Keep it nice and tight, wired bra. Show a little bush. I'm cool. It's like a woppy bush. A whoopin bush. Yeah, Jamie Lee Curtis, best tities in Hollywood. I just want to make it clear that those two over there said the guy and Jerry McGuire and a few good men is overrated.

I'm not listening to Julian. Well, no, I was demaristic. But they just act like he's the greatest actor to ever exist. He's one of the greatest acts. I don't, I don't see. As far as in A-lister. I think he's an amazing actor, but I don't think he's one of the greatest actors. He's not Sean Penn as far as Thespians go.

But as far as actors. We're talking great actors. As far as people to like deliver A list-wise, yes, Tom Cruise may be number one ever. Box off. Stop. Yes. Y'all think Tom Cruise better than Denzel Washington?

No, not when it came to acting. You said number one. Who said that? Rory! As far as the overall, the way we talk about Hove being the best and checks every single box, yes, Tom Cruise may be number one.

Denzel does every single box? I think Tom Cruise has probably done way more numbers than, he had. Well, of course. We're not talking, so that's the thing. I don't want to talk to a number. That's a big part of A Lister's. That's why we get back to this argument all the time. Tom Cruise got locked into a very lucrative franchise. He got locked into a very lucid of franchise. We're talking if we're going to discuss just skills of an actor. He got locked into a so he just had, he was an extra on. No, I'm saying he became on Mission Impossible and he

just stumbled upon it. All right. He was walking down sunset that day and they're like, hey, hey, youngster. You want to do Mission Impossible? No, but you don't know that Mission Impossible is going to become what it became. And it became what it became because of Tom motherfucking Cruz. He got a point. You could say that about James Bond, though. They rinse and repeat new James Bond actors every fucking 10 years. They have not rinsed and repeated Tom Cruise.

They are on their house. What version of Bond are we on? We're about to go trans with the next bond. I said they have not rinsed and repeated Mission Impossible. But I'm saying they could. Like the concept is there. It's just a matter of picking a star and giving him the keys to a franchise. By the while, Samuel Jackson is another actor who tends to play a lot of

the same roles. He has differing roles, but he tends to have the same personality and a lot of roles. Nicholas Cage. That doesn't make you a bad actor. Nick has range. Nicholas Cage is a terrible range. Nicholas Cage might be the worst actor. Nicholas Cage has never seen, um, he's Nicholas Cage. He's never seen the family man. Who? You guys never seen the family man. I've probably seen that. I can't remember what it was about though. The Nicholas Cage is a terror actor. No, Nicholas Cage is top three worst actors that's ever existed. Of all time. He has some good movies. He's the best worst actor you've ever seen. Leonardo DiCaprio is a better actor than Cruz.

Of course. Actor, yes. Without question. For sure. That's what I, I'm only arguing the acting. Nicholas Cage and Brendan Frazier are the two worst actors

I've never seen. Oh, I like Brandon Fraser. He just won an Academy Award for the whale, didn't he? Yeah. That's fucked up. He just got his Academy Award he changed. I grew up on the Mummy.

Also one of the worst acting. You grew up on Encino, man. That's a great one. The Mummy's a great movie. Yo, Julian definitely grew up on Encino, man. What's up the Rock in the Man? No.

He came in. do it in like the third one I think. Yeah. What was the last time you've seen and seen him? That's Julian shit and seen no man. Nicholas Cage has maybe two good movies. What's the um, was it the Phoenix

or something with Nicholas Cage? What was that about? Like they're in like a futuristic plane and it crashes or some shit. That sounds fire. Nicholas Cage got about four movies It might be the worst acting example I've ever seen in my life.

He's got gone to 60 seconds. I'll give him. Lord of War is one of my favorite movies but after that I don't really know what Nicky's gonna. Conair. That's a classic. No it's not. I can't believe you guys don't remember the family man. Face off is a classic.

No it's not. Wait, is Conair the one I'm talking about the worst acting example ever? When they was they was transporting the convicts to another jail and it went down. I think Tyrese is in there. Look at the range. Is it Tyrese and Conair? Probably.

It's a black. actor slash singer in Conair. Yeah, they all look like. Right, Moe? I think it's Tyrese, though. The Wayne's brother. Now, if you were to say that Tyrese, if you were saying what you wanted to say about the Rock, about Tyrese, I would listen. Tyrese is a better actor than The Rock. For sure.

Don't do that. For sure. To acting? Yes. I don't think that that's true. What? I don't think Tyrese is a better actor than people give him credit for. Tyrese is not a bad actor.

No, that's what I'm. He's a better actor than the rock. For sure. Tyrese, better acting than the rock. Whatever. The rock is terrible, man. Yeah, come on. Four brothers.

Tyrese got busy. I love four brothers. Smoke that. First of all, in Waste Deep, he had a rock moment. He crashed a burning car into the Long Beach fucking ocean with 35 cops behind him. And then the next scene, he was running down a beach in Mexico. So that means he crashed the car with all the cops behind him. into the Long Beach Bay.

And then he swam to Mexico to meet his son for his first day of school. The Rock could never. I ain't gonna lie. Fast and Furious when the Rock held that helicopter by that chain, man. I turned that shit off right after that. But you know that those movies?

Not when they went from skyscraper to skyscraper in Dubai? Bro. That was come. Those movies are so bad. That's the point of those movies. When is the last time y'all watched the first Fast and Furious? I don't, I'm not going to lie. Pretty recently.

I think I may have. It has nothing to do. Where it's at now? You didn't think they were going to become international crime lords? No, man. Didn't they go into space? Yes. Well, the last one I seen was...

How does that work? Yeah, their podcast, the way Cole and Ebb is doing it, rest of peace of Paul Walker, but those characters. Yeah. If they, if Brian and was Vin Diesel shit, Dominic, if Brian and Dominic did their look at back of what we did podcast. Like, yo, remember when we were just shutting down the street, quarter mile, it's... Yeah. I live my life a quarter mile at the time. and then we went to space.

Yeah. That'd be the craziest podcast. It was wild. Remember we thought our homeboy was dead? Whole time he wasn't dead. He came back. His bitch was dead, though. Oh my God, bro.

Those movies are not bad. They do outlandish shit, but it's a lot like the Rock's acting, right? They know that they're being outlandish. It's done on purpose. They've leaned all the way in Swiths Fast and the Furious. Because the first three are unbelievable,

but you know, you can kind of believe it. The fourth one, they were like, fuck this. Let's make a franchise out. Send it. Let's have ludicrous go to space. Yeah, it turned into fucking, like, Star Wars type shit now. Can you imagine, like, how famous these guys would be if this was real life?

Like, the amount of things that they did. They would be in jail. They would dedicate BBC to them. Every day, just be an update on Dominic Torretto. They would have been in jail by the third movie. I can't believe you think Ty. But in jail in the first one. Isn't it better acting than the rock?

That's crazy. I just, the rock, I like the rock. And his name popped up real place. Underrated movie. In what? Annapolis. Never seen it. Plays a Marine that's in the Navy.

How? At the end of the movie, the main character like goes through the Naval Academy after Tyrese's tutelage. Damn, look at these. And then Tyrese at the end is like, yo, I've been a Marine the whole time, bro. I'm going to Iraq. I didn't know you could cross-pollinate. We probably can and I'm just ignorant, but that just made me laugh.

Look at this. Oh, yeah. By the second one. And Tyrese was so cool with anything Brian wanted to do. Like, I know you're not about to do that. He's like, bro, I'm about to do it. He's like, all right. Ejecto Cito Cus.

Yeah. These were. Oh, this was a great scene. Yeah, this was a great thing. My baby, Paul. He went out doing what he loved. Look at this shit. And then they swan dive into this with perfect form.

If you're watching, if you're listening to audio, we're watching. fucking Greg Luganus. It's a video called the 15 most ridiculous fast and furious action scenes. All right. Come on. Running up the train. Running up a locomotive that's falling. And then the chick that lost her brain.

Fire. Oh my God. Those movies are so good, bro. I don't care. We can't keep. That's ridiculous. All right, Maul. Are you going to pay lamello's fine? It's your fault. It's your fault. No, Lamello Ball is just young and dumb. And bowling. currently.

Oh no, he's who. You said that last play when he took the shot. Yeah, we loaded up. No, that's what we wanted. It's just, that's not even nowhere

to even say that. That's, that's loaded up. That's my issue with it, unfortunately. It's just, you just, yeah, y'all just,

the Y'N's just be saying and doing shit. It's like, that's not even a place to say, no homo. Yeah. And you don't even say that. You think they find it

because he didn't even think it's a pause. He didn't use it appropriately. That's why they, that's why they find them. Like, Wasn't he supposed to say that thing? If he would have been like... Give me $150,000.

Yeah, I got behind him and loaded up. Then he'd be like, all right, Paul. Oh, if he said, yo, the D was collapsing. Pause. Pause. Exactly. The pause is when you do the offensible shit, but like the no homo is when you calling somebody else out.

They play about the wrong rule. Yeah. But nobody even says that no more. I have not heard no homo really long time. They don't even say that. He don't even like... He should have got fine for that. I agree.

Because I mean, even like... Because pause, they wouldn't even caught on. Pause he wouldn't have been... Fucking Shaq and Charles pause every damn night on T&T. Jack, we waved for Charles to say something crazy. Right on ESPN, they were interviewing Spike Lee and he said he likes Dick

and the guy was like, pause. Oh, yeah. He said, I like Dick, I like Frank, I like Dick, what else he said? He said, it's a great, great night in New York. I like Frank. I like Dick. Pause.

That's crazy. Like Fred, like Dick, you know, the pick. That polite ass, pause, pause. The news are for her. He was like waiting for him. for him to say it. He was like, oh, you're not going to pause.

I'm going to pause. I'm going to pause. And Spike kept talking about. Spike didn't even know what he was talking about. No. Like, whatever. But yeah, La Mello

should have been to find. 100 grand. Shouldn't be saying that. Lamella Hooping, though. You got it. He's playing ball. He was a hundred grand on that contract.

Yeah, I mean, come on. Where's it in Charlotte? It was a very, very low overhead. Pissing a hundred grand right now. So I have to push a tea, man. Open up his coffee shop.

Yeah, called grinding. Yeah. Fire. I like that. Does he dare serve a push of tea? Shout out to push a tea. You know where I wrote that before. Jada kids opened up a coffee shop a few years ago as well too, right, Jada?

I think Jada has, he has a line of coffee and a coffee shop, I believe. Well, yeah, grinding is a great name for coffee. And I love that he was serving it. That wasn't an entendre I'm probably. I'm surprised he's not just serving Coke. We're going to get a lot of bars on this next project. A lot of entendras between coffee and whatever. serving before and...

They probably got a powdered dough. I think we're getting a foam reference. They probably got a powdered donut. They got to, right? They would be great. They got to have one. Everything's covered in white powder. They only sell espresso in grams.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I like the theme. But I also, I love seeing, you know, artists make this move and then also be so hands-on. Like, you know, you could catch Bunby at a festival serving his burgers at the stand. Like, I think that shit is really cool.

So congrats to him. Love to see that. That's dope. Rest in peace to DJ Clark Kent. Mall and I went to his funeral and his repass. It was an amazing, amazing night as far as representing who Clark was. And, you know, it always sucks to see so many faces at times like that. But it is also like, gives a little light and reassurance to everything.

A lot of great Clark stories. Push-a-T did press mall that did happen at the repass. I think Clark was smiling, watching that entire thing from above. He's watching push me. Like, yeah, what's up, man? He just said, what's up? He just said, that was it. Like, shook my head, what's up?

Like, all right, cool. But he laughed. Like, we both just laughed at each other. Like, you know, it's cool. Pushing off. Fuck with him, man. That's all. But yeah, it was definitely a beautiful day in sending Clark off.

His wife's, I guess you would call eulogy, was beautiful. Yeah. It was a beautiful service, man. Beautiful service. Stretch from Stretching Bobito had an incredible speech. Angie Martinez had an incredible speech. DJ Scratch brought me to tears. It was just a beautiful night for Clark.

And they were filming everything. And I think people know that they have been shooting a Clark documentary. So I do hope people get to see that beautiful sendoff because it was good. It was a very, very beautiful service. A Clark deserved. For a beautiful person, absolutely. Rest in peace, the Clark can. Also, a rest of peace, Chubby Baby.

Yeah. We lost him a few days after Clark's funeral. Bronx Legend, one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. You know, definitely had a hand in helping a lot of careers. You know, made a stamp in Atlanta. Helped a lot of the biggest artists out of Atlanta. Everybody, anybody that came into contact with Chubby that worked with him has nothing. things to say about him.

Just an all-around great guy, hard worker, always went hard for his team and the people around him. So we want to send up prayers and condolences to his family, rest of peace, chubby baby. Sure. Do we have voicemails? We do. You've got mail. This is a fun one.

I think all of all people will have a blast. All right, Joe. I'm going to make my question pretty brief. calling from the DMV, but I had a question. I already know how I'm going to handle the situation, but I just wanted to preface this by saying I am bisexual. Mall is who you thought to answer this. Any initial thoughts, Mall, we got a bi-man calling in.

What thoughts do we have you? Is that a real thing? Let's hear more. Did we come around? Okay. Bye guys can exist. Known that I was bisexual. Pretty much ever since I was in college, I'm 26 now.

So it's been a few years since I've come to this realization, but I've never really acted on it until I got the college or like a little bit post-college. So I've been outside for the last two years, mingling with men, women, and all my partners are very receptive to this newfound discovery of mine. But my family, friends, they don't really know.

Not that they're homophobic. I just never volunteered that information with them ever before. So no one really knows. I've never really dated anyone or, been in a serious relationship with anyone male or female, kind of fucked around. That's what I know. But I've always been very fairly private with my rendezvous, if you will. But I am wanting to come out now because I'm starting to, you know, mature a little bit more.

You know, it's getting cold out. It's cuffing season. So I'm not necessarily looking for now. But I do want to be a little bit more honest about who I'm seeing with my family and friends. If y'all were in my situation, how would y'all go about this? What would y'all do? Julian, please, I would love your responses, first and foremost, as a gay man yourself. Oh, fuck.

I didn't hear that part. I bet you didn't. Wouldn't play that voicemail? That was there, huh? Yeah, now you're cutting shit out. You want your response as a gay man. No, but the body stuff, ma'all, let go. Well, first of all, your family knows.

They may not say it. They may not bring it up to you, but if you haven't ever dated anybody seriously, you got that one uncle. He knows. He just like it. You haven't dated anyone seriously. That's not true. But for like the pod, we say that. Okay.

Yeah, but I'm in real life, yeah. My family has met women out of date it. And people also do call him gay all the time for that exact reason. So he's prime, like his point in front. Everything checks out. They call me gay because I don't have a girlfriend. They call you gay because the story is that you haven't had any serious relationships or serious girls. Anytime I didn't have a girlfriend.

That's what my grandmother called me. Yeah, I mean, but your fan, his family knows. I think that you just, listen, this 2024, going into 2025, gay, straight, that people don't. People want to know who you voted for more than your sexuality at this point. They don't even care about your sexuality. That doesn't, that's not as taboo as it used to be. I think anybody that's get upset or is bothered by anyone's sexuality is,

that person is weird because I don't care what anybody is doing as long as they're a consenting adult. So just let your family know. Like, listen, I date women. You know, I date guys too. You know, it is what it is. I don't think it's a tough thing to have to sit around. I mean, you're grown. I don't know how old did he say he was.

Did he say he said? 26. 26 years old. Listen, man, it is what it is at this point. You are who you are. Be proud of who you are. And, you know, let your family know that this is the type of dating scene that you're into. You like men and women.

My gay d'ar has never been advanced enough to, like, pick out someone that was bye. And saying that his family knows, I've never been like, that guy's bye. I've had ideas of when men were gay. but that's a different level of radar to me. I guess maybe... Well, you know why it's a different level. You know why I think it's a different level. Because they're just gay?

Mm-hmm. Okay, got you, got you. Yeah. I don't think he needs to tell his family anything. If you're not seriously dating and just kind of playing the field and that's not something that is super serious as far as looking and seeking out a relationship,

until that moment comes, what's the point to talk to your family? I don't... When I was just fucking around, I didn't go to my mom like, yo, just to let you know, like, I'm fucking mad bitches right now. Like, I never did that. I would tell her when I was taking something serious now. No, but your family never approached you?

Like, yo, you don't, you don't, you got a girlfriend, not dating nobody? My mom has said, hey, do you find any white women attractive? That was the only time they've come to me. She asked you that? One time, yeah. What did you say? Margot. I was like, I was like, I was like, hell no.

Margot. That's not what you said. You did not tell your mom. No, I say, yeah, I do. Say Kate Winslet and Titanic? That popped the whole thing off, and you see where I went. Margo. Margo.

Margo. Extremely. For Wall Street, Jesus. Duchess of Bay Ridge. God damn, yeah. But if you end up, you know, falling for a guy and you want him to meet the family, then you can have that conversation with your family like,

hey, before you meet this person, just to let you know, he's a guy. I'm bisexual. I know you guys have met women of mine in the past, but I also, you know, Mr. October swings from both sides of the plate. As long as you, as long, I think the only time you're not, staying true to yourself. I'm trying to step on Roy's joke. The analogy. I think the only time... That was a great analogy, no. The only time you're not being true to yourself is when you

pretend to be straight. You don't have to let everybody know that you're bisexual, but you also don't have to pretend to be straight. Because pretending to be straight is pretending to be somebody that you're not. But just not telling people that you're bisexual, just because it's just none of their business. And also, it also depends on your family because Mall is saying it's 2024. People shouldn't care. But in some places, in the South, in some places, in the South, in some places in rural areas. Some people really do not play that gay shit. City too. Yeah, but we kind of fake. We're talking about like that's old. People don't play about gay shit still. People do not play

that gay shit. The world's not over that yet. People hate especially with men. People are people are going to hate but they want to hate forever. I'm just saying like now it's not as taboo. Not as taboo, but it is still taboo. I don't think so. It definitely is. Being bisexual is taboo, you just said that you think bisexual people are still gay. To be honest, at Thanksgiving, I think that would be a crazier thing to break to the family rather than being like, hey, I'm a gay man. Yeah. I really think they don't understand. They can't put you in a box.

I think with a woman, it'd be a little bit less taboo and a bit more understanding. But I think if a 26-year-old man came to Thanksgiving dinner and said, hey, I'm gay, it would be received way better than, hey, I'm bisexual. They would throw out the place that are you? Way more questions. They break the place that he used? Burn the sheets. Burry them because it wasn't kosher.

Burry that place. And ride around. I don't think he should hide it from his family. I think he's proud. Like, I think it's cool that he's at a place now where he's comfortable with wanting to tell his family. And if that's next for what makes you comfortable, then do that. I don't think you need to, like, grab a guy and be like,

I'm sucking his dick. I'm straight and get or whatever. Bye. You don't have to say I'm sucking. But I mean, Roy's point is like, wait until you find that person to bring home. Yeah, but you just find a way he just always. I'm just, I don't think he needs to have a person to do that. I think he could just be like, yeah, like, find whichever family member,

you're more comfortable with. You cannot just pop up to the family dinner if you're gay. If you have like a trusting cousin or a trusting uncle and they ask you like, yeah, what's going on in the dating scene, you're 26? Like I know, you know, you're in your 20s, whatever. That could be a moment to be like, hey, uncle, just let you know. Like, yeah, I'm out there right now, but I have a lot of options. It'll be like, why do you have a lot of options?

That's how the conversation is going to go. If you think that's how to come from both sides. Yeah, no. I have the whole population. The conversation is not going to go like that. You should find that one older or a conversation. cousin, but like an older adult figure in his family that he knows is like cool and would be easy to break the ice with.

It got to be a female cousin, a female in your family. Hopefully, best case scenario, I mean, I don't know his parents situation, but the best case scenario would be like, go to your mom. Because all right, he's 26. Hey, Ma, this is. His parents are probably in their 50s, 60s, right? Early 60s maybe, right? Depending.

I just feel like they grew up in the time too. That shit is just like, it's not as, it's like, okay. Like, we ain't tripping. I just feel like that that energy is kind of fading out because, you know, again, we see it all the time. Everybody, workplace and people are quieter about it. Yeah, I was going to say, you would think racism will fade out to everybody's like, yeah, racism is going to be eradicated. No, people teach hate. Hate is passed down, generation through generation.

No, for sure. That's why it's never going to be completely like obsolete. It's always going to be people that's going to be kind of like, you know, weird it out about somebody being bisexual or gay or whatever. but I just feel like it's not as prevalent as it used to be. I feel like it's more, like I feel like he would tell his family, yeah, but like, you think we didn't know that? Like, go sit your ass down to the living room. We don't give a fuck.

To DeMaris's point, there's a great A-lister Chris Rock analogy with that. They changed the Triborough Bridge to the RFK Bridge. Nobody calls that shit the RFK Bridge unless you were just got here. There's deep-rooted history and everyone is going to continue to call that shit, the Triborough Bridge. Just because you rename it doesn't mean we've all just decided. that's what it is now. It's the same thing with racism and homophobia.

Just because you change the laws or people are supposed to act a certain way doesn't mean people are not passed down generational hate for shit. No, no. Generational hate is passed down. I just feel like it's not as much as it used to be. I feel like a lot of those people are much older.

You know, just the generation now obviously is the most outspoken, vocal about sexuality than it's probably ever been, which is why I don't think it's as taboo as it once was because you see sex and sexuality everywhere. I do think bisexual males is still in that taboo category. I don't think that's as accepting as gay men.

I'm just talking about from my view. Women aren't the kindest to them either. When you guys say pick a woman, women tend to take bisexuality as like... We talk about that. I'm saying a relative, though. Not just some random girl. I'm talking about a relative.

Like one of your female cousins that you know is cool. She's probably gay. you know, like when you jump house with. Now that was what I was looking for. Find, you got a gay cousin. Find the gay cousin and like y'all link up in bond. Like, so that they can help you walk you through that, how to deal with that and you're, you good? That's like the power up thing.

You also the gay cousin. He's doing the YMCA. You also the gay cousin. I definitely have a gay cousin. He'll never come out though. Really? Yeah. Damn.

Why are you out of him? Because I'm sure everybody, I know. The family knows. Yeah. I don't think I'm like exactly my point here. The family. always knows. They always know. It was for Kendall's

re-election. So, you know, be quiet with that gay shit. You can't have the gay. Can't have the gay stuff all the time. Antonio's the... Oh, yeah. Oh, Antonio. The one who sounds Italian. Yeah. And Tonyo was like, yo, keep, don't come to this rally. Keep that shit over there.

Yeah, keep that shit in house, man. Don't come to the... We're left. We ain't that left. I feel like you know your family dynamic better than we do. Find the person that you can trust. And if this is heavy on your heart, like you feel like you're hiding something. then come out. But don't, if you don't feel like you're hiding something and it doesn't make you uncomfortable,

then don't feel the need to, quote, unquote, come out. Or until you, if you end up dealing with a guy and like them, then have that conversation. But if you just fucking, you don't have to tell your family about that. Yeah, I wouldn't tell, I'm bisexual, but there's family members, like, not in my immediate family. Outside of my immediate family, they don't need to know that unless I decided to bring a woman home.

Then I would have to explain, oh, this is why Shorty's here. But other than that... Your family don't know you bisexual? My immediate family does. Oh, okay. The family, like my aunts and my aunts and, stuff don't know that. What if they're pot? They know. Aunt's, they know.

Aunties know everything. Aunties just like older sisters. I don't think they know. I don't really, I'm not, I'm very private with my life, so I don't think they know. And they only see men that I've bought home, so they wouldn't know that. They don't know much about me. You think they would care? No. I don't think they would care. Exactly. Nobody cares, bro.

All of my sisters are bisexual. That's a secret to life. Nobody cares. People act like they care. People don't give a fuck. Nobody cares. They don't. certain states we live in New York so we tend to think that people don't care

about a lot of shit that they do even in New York I will take you to Bayside Queens I was gonna say you don't have to go that far they'll care

have you been in Long Island lately what murder exactly you think that guy is really into LGBTQ rights he's not

what girlfriend he's gay Julian he sucked he sucked the dick He sucked it, dick. He's gay forever.

Yes, do we have another voicemail? So there's final thoughts on him real quick? Yeah, we said. We gave it to him. Yo, take your ass out the closet. Nobody cares, man. Closet through, baby. Yeah, closet's wide open.

That shit got up. I can tell by his voice and that voicemail, love you. Yeah, it's all good. See, Gator is down. Yo, Rory, Marley's Julian. What's up, man? I have a question. Rory, you can't really answer because you ain't got no siblings.

but my mom I feel like my mom favored in my sister over me sometimes and I'm explaining why because I feel loved at home I do I do feel very loved and appreciated but there be sometimes where

I just be looking at stuff in my mother dude and I just be like all right dude this kid be going through it in every aspect of his life like right now my sister goes to

Alabama State University she's Miss Alabama State you know what I'm saying when y'all went down there for homecoming or whatever it was a beautiful time but I just be feeling like the way my mother

be looking at it she'd just be like glazing just a little bit just a teeny bit pause pause because she posts my sister like every other day and I get it

it all makes sense mother I mother eye mother I I get it now this gentleman has been calling with female issues for about a year year now. He's always chasing a chick that doesn't like him. It all makes sense now. He's gay?

He, no. He has mommy issues. His mom doesn't love him like his other siblings and he continues to chase women that have proven that they want nothing to do with him. Remember that chick that canceled on the date and he still went and paid and like all that other shit? He has mommy issues. He's been giving us voicemails for a year now. He's been giving a breadcrums. And every time he's chasing a woman, that no longer likes him. You can keep playing it. Wow. Finally we got to the root of this problem.

Yeah. It only took 10 voicemails. I think I found his sister. All right, let's keep going. You're sick. What? He searched it first. Yeah, he said it.

My sister had to do a pageant to be in there, my mom big in a page or so whatever. My sister also, you know what I'm saying? There's a Delta. My mom crossed the Delta back in 2002. You know what I'm saying? So like, I get it.

But it's still like, All right, we'll go be a Delta. Sometimes I'd be feeling like, dang, bro. I don't be getting this love. Like, when I was campus activities board president, I ain't get this love. When I became a cue, I ain't get this love. Oh, that's crazy.

I just wanted to know. If y'all loved to, it felt like that with your family. If your mom is a delta. Like, don't get it twisted, though. If your mom is a delta and you became a cue and she didn't love that, that is kind of weird. But you're not in a pageant, bro. Go go get in a pageant. Women just bond more with women's shit.

Yeah, like, it's your sister. And you know what's so funny. women like the whole the mommy's boys is like a thing that's like a thing usually mothers love their son more so the fact that the daughter is getting love is like actually really dope um for real that's not at the expense of his feeling you to pile it on them hip right um he had to sacrifice for all the other daughters out there your mom loves you she just bonds more with your sister i mean i guess i know that feeling

though because my mother is i'm not my mother's favorite child either so how you know that Oh, the whole family knows. We all know. We joke about it. What's the how? What do you mean? I'm my father's favorite child also. It doesn't matter.

So she resents and goes to the other siblings. She always treated my little siblings. You're the oldest, right? No. Well, for my father's kids, I am the third child. But for my mother's kids, I am the oldest. So yes. I was treated like the oldest daughter because I was raised in a house where I was the oldest daughter.

Got it. But no, my little sister is, I'll be like doing my hair or like doing my makeup. And my mom would be like, well, you know, Thailand went out yesterday. And like, she just looked at me. I'm like, ma, okay. Okay. She ain't even on the phone right now. Why are you talking about how good she looked yesterday? And your little sisters have the same father, right? Yes.

Okay. I was going to think maybe it was a resentment of the father thing. And she likes their father better. I think it's a resentment thing because I was always like my father's baby. And I think growing up, like it was just kind of like she's a daddy's girl. She's a daddy's girl. So. But yeah, your parents, it's not that she loves her more. It's just that she probably likes her more. And that's okay. That's okay. It doesn't mean she loves her anymore. She just likes her more. What age were you when you had that human conversation with your parents? That I wasn't, my mother's favorite? Oh, I'm new that young. We had that conversation young. My mother always said, no, I don't play favorites.

I don't play favorites. Now that we're older, we all joke. She'll still say, I don't play favorites, but like everybody knows that she has a favorite. But I don't, it doesn't bother me because I know it's not a love thing. It's just a connection, like, like thing. Do you think your mother likes you or your sister better? Definitely. It depends on the day.

I think so, too. Yeah. You think she likes my sister better? Yeah. I mean, she moved to go be with her. She ain't moved to your apartment. I'm going to call my sister and just ask her real quick. It's funny that y'all just jumped to that.

And while you try to get her on the line... She's not going to agree, though. When Hard Knock Life came out, I know who your father's favorite was, and it wasn't you. But show. Definitely picks. Oh, she probably at work. Or she probably showing with your mom. I also think your nephew probably has a lot to do with your sister being their current favorite.

Yeah, just my proxy. Oh, shit. She was about to answer and I hung up. Yeah. But let's say, like, without his nephew. Make sure you hold the speaker at the bottom to the. Yo, quick question. Bottom of the phone. I'm on the, I'm on the pod recording real quick.

And a conversation came up. I just want you to answer it real quick. Who do you think mommy loves more? Me or you? She loves us both the same. Oh, so her. Unless it was a clean cut, you, it's definitely her. Who do you think she likes it?

Who does she like more? Who does she like more? You. Wow. The whole room said that she likes you more. So I was like, that's interesting. Let me call her and see what she thinks. Oh, hell no.

She likes me more. Okay. But then that may be because you spend more time with her. And like, Maul is this figurative, like, oh, what's he up to type of thing? Yeah, she misses Maul. Yeah, she misses Maul. She don't miss you. No, Maul and my mother actually spent way more time.

Like Yeah, because my sister went away to college and shit so she was going like For a while I was in the military For years Yeah

Okay I still don't believe He's just He's just the better like child But I think I know that she loves us equally But she likes him more

Thank you for that Yo You know what I Do act like a mommy's boy So you know what I mean I'll call you later You heard That's not even how you talk to your sister

That's weird That is how I talk to him I don't know I'm still going with your sister Especially now with your nephew Oh, she loves Forget it. My nephew is the he's the one now.

It's a star. I know, yeah. You don't even exist. Yeah, my nephew. I was thinking like sometimes to our caller's question, sometimes this shit can be like life. It can be like up and down. Like currently it's her because of the pageantry stuff, the Delta stuff.

Yeah, yeah. And then at some point you might do something where like, you know, she connects. No, I said he crossed, he crossed, he crossed, he crossed. He was a cue. He said he didn't get that same line. But you don't know if you don't know if he was paper, if he was made, like his mom maybe resent him if he didn't, you know, get down

the right way. Might be looking at my son like, all right. Yeah, you down, but you ain't now. Don't wear that purple shit around me. You're not. But I have some harsh advice for him. I respect this guy because he calls us all the time

and is very open about all the problems he has. The last one, I believe, the dating, he didn't have any money. I like that he was up front with the young lady. He had no money to really do a proper date. Can you give me some time? do some shit with your life, man. Maybe there's nothing that your mother can be proud of.

I'm sure she loves you to death, but your sister is doing things to at least repost on Facebook. I don't know if, like, sometimes people need to hear that when your parents are looking at you a weird way. Go do some shit. You're not doing anything,

and he's been very vulnerable. I'm not saying he's not working on himself and trying to get opportunities. I respect that and understand that. But you've called before and said you didn't have certain shit going on and you was in a weird place, which I respect and understand.

But maybe she doesn't have anything to repost him, be proud of. What's the point of being in a fraternity if you ain't making money off it? That's like being like when you see homeless white men. I'm not giving you a dollar. You have like a leg up. He's an addict.

There is a homeless white guy that hangs around these parts that's missing an arm and he is terrifying. Because he's missing an arm? It's just like unexpected. Do you have action by what happened to his own? No.

I never want to get that. But why not though? I don't, I think we should do that more. If you saw him is not the person I don't think we should interact with. No, I talk to,

I talk to homeless people all the time. No, he's not like that kind of. He's like mental illness. He's tough. Okay. Yeah. The arm is the least of the words.

It looks like a, like a zombie. It's like, the call of duty zombie, like running at you and shit. Um, he's like got a bunch of tattoo. It's weird.

Uh, Maul, would you, would you pledge, Kappa? No. Your guy is now part of, with a fret.

Who's that? Jerry Lorenzo. Shout to Jerry Lorenzo, man. Founder of Fear of God. And from my understanding, I heard he did it the right way. Welcome to the bond, sir. I cannot wait to see what the capital pair looks like now

because we got one of the greatest designers ever. Our group chats amongst my chapter, all in New Jersey, all in New York were on fire when we saw that. One, he crossed. I know I can't wait the letters to just give me a sweatsuit or something. And two, he did it the right way. And I want to give you some advice, Jerry,

as an older bro, but younger and as far as the world goes. Don't let any of these noops get in your head. You don't owe them a bunch of fear of God pair. You don't, the bond is the bond. Diggs is digs. We all love each other. Bro, do not open those DMs. You don't have to give every noop a sweatsuit.

Right. But you got to give Rory one. Rory definitely wants one. If you give me a link to buy one, I would buy one. Yeah. I don't need a free package. Shout out to Jerry Lorenzo. I buy my fear of God sheet.

He's definitely one of my favorite designers. I've always talked about him. Then within one week, because that blew my mind. But I did love Jerry's story of, you know, he was online when he was in college. It didn't work out, which happens often to a lot of people, unfortunately. Then they go alumni, but his career took off. But that was something he still wanted to accomplish. I commend him.

I think that's a beautiful story. Was on a high thinking like, damn, maybe Maul will now pledge. I opened my phone yesterday, Ed Reed. Shout out to Ed Reed, the legend. And I heard he did it the right way. And I said, who the fuck put Ed Reed in the cut? That's hilarious. Who had the balls to do that?

Yeah. Who was wrestling for... All right. I just need to talk to whoever pledged Ed Reed and like give them a handshake. Yeah. I would have been terrified the whole time. That's amazing.

That's dope. And I love that these guys are doing it the right way. Shout out to Jerry Lorenzo. Shout out to Ed Reed. And shout out to your frat brothers. And I love that our famous pros did it the right way. There's no like we just giving you the shit. Mm-hmm.

were the only frat that does that. Everyone else just hands out fucking initiation. It's like, Shaq, you're a Q. Yeah. No, I think Shaq really took. Oh, no, it was Jordan. No, I think Jordan really got down. Shaq, they made an honorary member.

And I'm not saying, no cues. I love Q's. Happy Founders Day, by the way. Shaq is an honorary member? He went to LSU, so I figured he did it when he was. No, I think Shaq way later on, they do like this honorable member type thing. Okay.

Where they just, sometimes they do it when people die. And I never understood that. The Alpha's made Frederick Douglas Alpha after he died And I know my wife's face shit It's saying it It just confused me I'm like no one checked if he wanted to be one

Yeah, you just put him You just called dibs Yeah That's weird Then what that person should cap a claim No that that's like in our We don't do that shit We're the only frat that doesn't do it

You're not about to just be one It's just weird One day He's dead and now He's like oh he's with us But also I think it's weird Like when they just give out like, oh, he's doing some shit.

Let's ask him if he just wants the letters. What fraternity claim Diddy? I know one of y'all had to. I don't know if I've ever heard anything. I'm sure Diddy was tapped in. I'm not, no pun intended at Howard, but to throw parties at a place like Howard, you had to be tapped in with all the frats and sororities.

So it says he was never officially affiliated with a, fraternity. And in June 2024, the Howard University Board Trustees unanimously voted to revoke his honorary degree. So he never actually finished his degree there. He was given one and then they said, nah.

So they took everything to key to the city, his honorary degree. They covered it all in baby oil and stole your own shit. Because anything, what's taketh can be giveth away. Or giveth can be taketh away. Whatever. Yeah, that's what Daffy Ducks said. November 22nd, we will be in Atlanta. Tickets available now, new Rory Mall.com.

And then we'll be in New York City, Gramacy Theater, December 14th to end out the year and start the holiday season. Looking forward to it, looking forward to seeing the beautiful people once again. Yeah, I'm really excited to go to Atlanta this week. Yeah, Atlanta's always a good time. There's good people down there. Always makes me feel better when I'm there. Show's always good, good energy.

Looking forward to seeing some familiar faces and some new. faces. Tickets available now to New Rorynmall.com. And yeah, man, glad you're back. Glad you're back safe from L.A. Yeah. Made sure that, you know, the guys had eyes on you. The guys had eyes on you, make sure you were safe. So every time, every corner

I took, somebody had... It was somebody right behind. You ain't even know it. Just make sure my guy was safe out there, man. We'll be back in a couple days to talk to y'all. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. No. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. I don't care where to say. Yep. That's a good.

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