New Rory & MAL - Episode 330 | Is J. Cole The King Of NY?

Episode Date: December 20, 2024

Happy Friday Gang! The crew is fresh off a week of bonding outings, going crazy at Madison Square Garden and the french restaurants. Julian and Demaris give a recap of their date at the J. Cole concert, including posing a question to the room of which of the big 3 have the finest female fans. Rory and the crew are insistent on claiming Cole as a NY rapper, while Mal isn’t having it and explains why. SZA is dropping a new album today, and Rory gives his opinion on dropping a “deluxe” to an album that was released two years ago. Speaking of the past popping up in the present, Lil’ Wayne and Chris Brown are among many celebrities to be named by Business Insider for misusing covid relief funds. We explain the accusations and talk about what could possibly come from this. Lil’ Baby makes his stance clear on working with Gunna again, and Chance the Rapper celebrates his freedom. The Yankees players have picked up a player that is eskimo brothers with another player - and the boys think it might be detrimental to the team. We have voicemails! The first one is from a woman who needs help after losing a relationship with a “friend”. The second is from a woman who had a terrible experience with a business - forcing us to call the business and stand ten toes down for our listeners! For MORE Rory & Mal, make sure you subscribe to our Patreon community, for exclusive episodes, first access to tickets and merch sales, private live chats with the team, + more! https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalFollow Rory: @ThisIsRoryFollow MAL: @MAL_ByTheWayFollow Julian: @Julian__nicholasFollow Demaris on YT: https://www.youtube.com/@DemarisG To watch the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALYouTube Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMAL Thanks to our sponsors: Start your free online visit today at https://Hims.com/RORYMAL! Go to https://SHOPIFY.COM/rorymal to upgrade your selling today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You excited? I'm going to do the podcast. Was it Avin Calendar? What? That's what it is, right, Peach? Avon Calendar. I used to have that as a kid. Like where they had the chocolate in each day.

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, you just open a door each morning. What's the podcast version of that? List season. I don't know. Every day is a new list? Pretty much, yes. Every day is a new list. But yes, I'm going to continue to annoy everyone. Every time we come back on an episode, I'm going to remind everyone that Christmas is upon us, and I am excited. Good. You should be excited.

Yeah. Maybe I'll go skating at Bryant Park. Who knows? Who knows? Anything is possible. They start skating in Bryant Park? Yeah, of course. They still have a woman rink in Central Park? I don't know about Central Park, but they definitely go to Bryant. Yeah. I'm sure they still have that Central Park one.

That's like the main. That was one of my favorite. That's the one. Yeah. But then that got too crowded. And Bryant Park was like the B side of that, that like no one really knew about yet. Yeah, it looks like they still do it at Central Park. What was the last time he went ice game?

I was about saves me years. I was going to go maybe two years ago to Rockefeller Center. I've never done that. I mean, I've obviously seen it. But I've never skated. That shit was like standing on the subway platform, bro. Yeah. It was like, all right, we can't even skate.

Like, it's like everybody just standing on ice, just standing there. Yeah. Yeah, that one's too small and there's too many people. The tree is there. That's way too much. Woman ranked, though, in Central Park. I like that one. I do not envy people that actually work at 30 Rock during the holidays.

Yeah. Like, just to get to work must be a fucking nightmare. Just walking around. But either way, maybe I'll try to skate at some point before the year is up. I've seen you play golf, so I don't really know how you're skating is. Oh, no. I can skate. You nice?

I can roller skate. I can roller skate. I can skate. I mean, I never played hockey, but I can skate. I mean, just put me out there, you know, punch somebody in the face whenever we need that, you know what I mean? Yeah, as long as you can stand on skates and get some type of fighting stance. I got you.

I got you. I can't play hockey, though. I never played hockey. Hockey is fun. I was thinking about putting a mar on hockey. Really? Yeah. Like, no softball just hockey?

Trying to leisure out. Okay. It's also like one of, you know, if you research, it's one of like the earlier sports kids can do, like, because the stick can hold them up. Oh, okay. Got you. You know, not like full contact. Like, he's got to throw the gloves off at age three. But, like, one of the activities that you can do early before, like, soccer is ice hockey.

I think she would like that. Yeah. She seems like she has a personality. Does she seem, you think she's going to be athletic or more, like, artistic? I'm not sure yet. She does love to color already, but she's athletic as fuck. Okay. She kicks everything, thinks she's a lefty.

She already knows how to swing Okay So yeah, my softball maybe She might be an activist You said an activist? Kicking and swinging already? I didn't put those feminism is in great hands

The future is bright I mean tennis is where the money is If I'm trying to retire Absolutely for sure I could just be one of those overbearing fathers That just makes her Fuck school We're gonna do tennis every day

You gotta move to Florida No we got a tennis court in the bubble Nah man you gotta go to Compton Well not that far but Florida. Well, you have to start. You can't start on a nice court. It has to be like...

Even Anna Kornicova started in Compton. Yeah. They all did. Gunshots in the back around home evasions. Things like that. Well, how's everyone's weak, Ben? I know we've seen each other constantly, but... Week is great.

I feel like there's one thing we haven't heard. Our two Dream Villains are still... It's been days and they still look tired and hungover. Walking Demaris was taking a nap on the couch. She got home early last night. She was trying to catch up on her dreams. I did not get home early last night. Why did you just make that up?

It wasn't that late, right? It was 11 p.m. when I got home. Oh, I went right to sleep. You all went out last night? You dipped out. Oh, yeah. We got food. We didn't go out.

We just got food. 11 p.m., like, that's a fair time to go to sleep. You didn't go to sleep. I got home at 11 p. With that photo of you smiling was from last night? No, the photo of his smiling was from our first company dinner. I was going to say there's no way Rory wears a watch. I looked at the photo.

I was like, He's got a watch on. When is this from? Wear a watch every now and then. Just not, you know, around you. You steal? You never wear a watch. Do you steal?

No, I was saying like, in the photo, I was like, Rory has a watch on. That's odd. And I said, this can't be from today. Because I figured you guys all went to dinner. And I was confused if that was from like last night or... We went to dinner and then me and Sean, I dropped Sean up at his hotel.

That turned into two hours of us being down since at the bar doing another bottle of one. Oh, gosh. Oh, the one that he wanted to go buy at the liquor store? No, it was another one that we, We ended up going to the ball and a hotel. It was a nice bar. And we sat there. He was just talking.

I looked up. It was like 1.30 in the more. I said, fam, I'm out of here, bro. That's late for you. Yeah. Fam, I was, that's impressive. And we went through a bottle of red wine. Not me asleep, long asleep before Maul gets home.

Oh, my God. And Ma was on his red wine back last night at dinner. Yo, but yeah, I mean, because I'll drink wine, but Sean is like, if I'm hanging with Sean, it's like, we about to do a bottle for sure. And it's going to be a bottle that's $600. Yeah. I can't say no to. And it's like the best red wine you've ever had.

Yeah. Like, yeah, all right. So we sat there for like, I can't say no to this. Like two and a half hours just talking and did a bottle of wine. So it was cool. I feel bad. And for those that do listen to our show and this isn't your first time, we've talked about our good friend, Sean Dickerson for a while.

Powder puff. I can't, uh, I feel bad every time he comes to the city or last time I was in L.A. I was there for a week. He was like, yo, why you ain't hit me? Because like, because I go to bed at 10. That's why I feel bad. I can't hang with you anymore. And that's exactly why I hung out last night.

because the last few times Sean has been here. He'll text me, hit me. And then last night, he was like, yo, I don't even hit you no more. I'm like, all right, man. I don't want to become that guy. So that's why I made sure we hung out. We kicked him. But we had a cool night.

Well, that was our crazy, crazy night this week was a restaurant and then home. Yeah. These two, though, from what I understand, shut down the garden is what I heard. I can't believe that was this week. It feels like it was so long ago. Such a lifetime. It almost feels like a dream, doesn't it?

Another dimension, yeah. It's like the OA. When you think about it. So we were. recorded on Monday, which everyone has heard that episode by now. But after that, I went home, ordered the J. Cole stream, which I found out I didn't really need to pay for because I bought the audio experience. I was happy those came together. I saw people complaining that Cole was becoming a capitalist and everything that he fought against because he's charging everyone for his

work, which to me is odd because that's what you do. For your art. Yeah. That's what you do. So I sat down, made myself some food, and I watched the stream. from my couch. These two on the other hand, 34th Street, shut down, police escort. Listen, y'all were so excited. Now you're dead quiet about this entire thing?

You don't have any questions. Like, what do you want to say? I don't even know what to ask. You guys left here, excited, giddy, and then what happened? Well, let's start. Okay, we'll start from the, we left here, went to mine.

I made us a quick drink. We stopped by Whole Foods, bought some citrus, and then went to mine. We were a real couple left. We were a real couple. We went grocery shopping. We had a drink in mine.

And then she phased time her mom. I said hi. And then we got on the train and went up to MSG. So that we get there. I'm humble. You guys want to do the train, be with the people. Oh,

yeah. That's the only time that you guys would actually be with the common folk. It's also the quickest way to get to 34th Street. Yeah, you guys just felt like, no, let's go crazy. Let's just be with the regular folks and take the train. They were a bunch of coal fans, like,

on the train with us too. Yeah, it was fun. So we get to MSG and, you know, Damaris does. I'm like neurotic with. time like we gotta get there on time everything's got to be that uh so doors are at seven we're there at seven 10 which obviously we didn't need to be there I said but I was like look all they were still setting up the riser all the guys are whoa whoa whoa whoa what what doors is at seven and you got there

seven 10 mm-hmm people don't even do that for nix games because I knew because it's in my in my mind and I'll explain why I'm glad we ended up getting there so early in my mind I was like okay everyone from L.A from New York from North Carolina like all the Dreamville extended family They're all going to be at the show. I want that extended time to hang out with them, like, whether it be on the riser or like in the green room, whatever it is. I want that time to like have the downtime and talk and like for us to just hang and get some drinks in, just like chill.

I don't mind doing that for two hours before he hits the stage. So we get there. I know he's going on at 915. So we get there. Crowdswell of like all the friends outside of will call. No tickets. And I was like, all right. Well, they're still figuring it out.

Let's go run it down. 45 minutes go by. No tickets. DeMara's like, I'm hungry. I'm out of here. I got to go. I love, I love him. I'm going to go across the street. So then my , fuck, they're going to come down. Damara's going to be gone. I'm going to have to like, so then I get all these texts. I'm like, all the guys like, bro, they're there. I don't know what to tell you. Like, they had photos of my tickets being passed off. They were like, we don't know what to say. And it wasn't just me. It wasn't just ours. It was like, a bunch of the guys. So then every 10, 15 minutes, they're bringing down like waves of tickets, handing them to ticket office. And at this time, I've asked this guy nine times. Hey, is my name there. And he's like, knows me.

by this point. He's like, dude, I don't know what to tell you. And then you're just that, and I've been that guy. I looked like the annoying. Lingering around the list line. Like, you know you're actually legit and there is a real problem. But you're appearing to be that guy that is trying to sing his way into a list that he is not on. And I'm trying my best. I'm trying my best not to. I didn't call boss. I didn't call like mad. I didn't call any of my guys because I was like, I'm sure they're dealing with so many other fires because I can also see everyone else in a panic around me. But I know we'll get in. It's just when. I know my thing at this point because now it's nine o'clock. We were there for two hours. I was like, I'm not missing this

fucking show and I don't want to miss the first song. I'm already missed all the socializing and all the drinks we had in mine are worn off. I'm pissed off now. I'm sober. So, looking at IG stories of the green room. I'm so, just a bowl. I'm hot, but I'm like keeping it in. and I'm only like complaining like my friends, which we're all complaining. Well, DeMaris was texting me on the side, by the way. And I was just sending her photos of me marinating steak and being warm and cozy in my house. DeMaris did the right thing. I was like, listen, man. You send a picture of the stream on the TV?

Yeah, no, I did. DeMaris, I will give Demaris for flowers. Obviously, like, later in the night, we had a great blast. But, like, at that time, she knew, like, she just did her thing and just, like, stayed out of the way. Because, like, if she came up to me, he was like, so what's a, I wouldn't have done, like, I wouldn't have, like, unloaded on her, but I would have been, like, fuming inside. So she just knew.

She was like, I literally didn't see Demaris until, so it's 925. You know what? Cole's already supposed to be out there, but he didn't go out yet. He was, like, a little late. What were you going to say? Maybe that's how I know Demaris is actually really my friend. Because she would have been cursing me out that entire time. No, I wouldn't.

She wouldn't have been on the side, like, calm. Like, let's let him deal. She would be cursing me out. No, I would not in the moment. Because there are certain people I trust to handle certain things. If you were two men that I didn't know and it was like some guy trying to impress me, like, oh, because I've had that happen before. That I would have just left.

I don't, like, I don't do that. But what helped it a lot was that it was not just me Julian standing in the lobby waiting for tickets because that would have been crazy. There were like 60 of us. At one point, it was so I found this out. It was like a Dreamville family and friends reunion. It was all the guys. It was like all my close friends.

Like even like some of the artists couldn't even get like they didn't have their tickets available either, which is like insane. So it started like a call engineer was out there with us. It was like what has happened? So I knew it wasn't just like a me, just my ticket thing. So MSG gave Sean a like a pocket, which we talk about this later Patriot episode coming up, but they gave Sean like a pocket full of envelope full of like bands. Like he had mad bands up his arm and then like they were like, yeah, they were like,

like, you need a ticket. He was like, I don't. His envelope was at Will Call. They handed him a ticket. It had nine wristbands for his, all his whole crew. And he gets to check in. They're like, where are your tickets? And he didn't have it. So then he had to wait with us, banded it up. He just didn't have a ticket to get into the show. And if Sean can't get in, I know I'm fine. because Sean could quite literally get in anywhere. So we're over two hours in, over two hours in at this point. And my buddy comes running down. He just grabs it till he goes, I'm on the phone with him.

He's like, I got you running out right now. Ebe just gave me this envelope. I'm coming down to you. We're not even going to try to figure out what happened to your tickets. Hands him to de Mercer and I and he stays to settle like everyone else that's still waiting. He goes, just go because Cole's about to go up. As soon as we get in the building, like as soon as. We're walking to go in the door and he starts performing.

Right inside to like the little VIP riser thing that we stood on for the whole night. As soon as we get up there, song, song one starts. And it was just like, I made that call for you. I told Cole, listen, wait for them to walk in. It was all the anxiety, everything just like. We had, we had the marriage location and said, yo, she's going through. It's going through the turnstown. We held the show.

We held a sold-out Madison Square Guard, waiting for y'all to get in. It was as soon as y'all walked in, lights went down. A show like that, though. and at one point I said this to Julian, I don't want as grateful as I am for the access that we have because of the people that we know. A show like that,

I would rather be in Jim Pop because I was the loudest person on the riser. Everybody else is like, you know, it's family and friends, so they're cool. They're chilling, like, they're enjoying the show, but they're like watching Cole. I'm screaming every single lyric to the top of my lungs, dancing, acting up, like,

there's a video of Sleepy Hollow literally looking at me like I had 17 heads in the back like just staring at me that's like the last name drop I would assume would be there like you guys said Joe badass that checks out all that I did not know you were next to Sleepy Hollow I think isn't he behind you in this video and he's in the video he's in the video he's behind him staring at me like I have 17 heads everybody on a riser was looking at me like I had 17 heads did you guys have any like political conversations about what didn't he wasn't he one of the ones that went to the Bronx with Trump Oh, Suki Hollow.

That's funny. No, he had a choice on. Was he mad at the George Bush dig that Cole has on whatever song that is? Only real Cole fans. Only real cold fans. It's like a six time platinum record. I think it was the single. Yeah.

But we had, I mean, it was it was the best. And then after the show, there was a after party at the venue, which we did that. And then that was great. And then from there was the after, after party. But then Demaris had to leave. Yeah, me and Julian, like, separated throughout the night because I ran into Rosie. Shout out to a friend of the show, Rosie. I ran into Rosie and I ended up at Pergola with Rosie.

Which is good. I can't think of, like, if you were to list an entire night of what I wouldn't want to do, I think you checked every box. Yeah. From waiting for passes to Sleepy Hollow to Pergola. I think those would be my three nose on a moment. I met some nice North Carolina gentleman there. They were sweet.

And then, yeah, we went to the after party. And I did not know that Cole was there. I found that out the next day. But at that time, I was cooked. I was, I was no good to anybody. If you and Cole had, like, cross paths in that small club, what would have been your, like your intro? Would you have even initiated it?

I didn't die. They were smoking. I had not. They were smoking. They had hookah. They bring hookah everywhere. So they brought, they brought, they brought, hookah. It's a club, actually, my friend owns it.

It was on the Lower East Side. And they brought hookah in. So your inn could have just been like, hey. True fact, I taught Ebe and Cole how to smoke some hookah. You're welcome. Really? I was so drunk. To say you're welcome is crazy. To me? Yeah. I pressed. That would have never happened. Had I taught them that 10 years ago.

So did Jay Cole how to smoke hookah? I taught him and Ebe how to pack a hookah. Ebe is, I don't, that's like part of his culture. I don't know if he taught him how to I promise you. Aristotle was right there too. and like I can promise you I do. Teaching coal how to pack hookah is crazy, man. They knew how to put the tobacco in and I actually forgot about that until he just said they had hookah there. That just sparked a memory in my brain.

It wasn't so much. They were packing it too tight, too much sheesh in there. And then they weren't putting the foil around the coal as well. No pun intended. Because they couldn't really get it to light. I was like, you just could put the coal around it. Rest is history. Look at his catalog now.

Yeah. You're welcome. It's all you. Can't even imagine if you didn't know how to pack that. Yeah. I mean, would he've written Forest Hills if he didn't? Wouldn't even see the garden. Wouldn't sniff it.

This was pre-born center, man. Wouldn't sniff the guard? Never would have been there. Never would have made it. So you would just get like a head nod. Yeah, out of smile. Out of head nod and a smile. Would you call him Germain, Maine?

No, I don't know. That's disrespectful. Maine. I actually have a cousin, Germain, who I call Maine, but no. Okay. I would just, you know, head nodding him, but I didn't. I had to go upload. A stranger had nodding you.

It was crazy. A girl had nodding you. It was crazy. So imagine a girl just, you should look at a girl and she go, what the fuck is wrong with her? Y'all think Cole don't know who I am? Probably, but I don't know in a dark club after performing. Cole know you? Performing every song without taking a fucking bro.

Yo, you, my mom. I'm just asking. Why are you bothering me? I'm just asking how does Cole know me. I don't know if he does. I'm just saying, I wouldn't know. Nah, you just say, you think Cole don't know me. That's what you just said.

That's all I asked. And then I asked, I said, Cole knows you? I don't know. I don't think so. But I just asked. There was a question. Probably not. Head nod, though, right?

Yeah, of headnod. He would have head nod the nigger that just sold out the garden. That's crazy. Also, the amount of rapping he did on that stage without taking a fucking breath. He hit every single syllable word perfect. He was such an amazing performance. After letting out all that oxygen and then walking into a club, dark club at that, he'd be like, Demaris.

Yeah. I knew right away. I never said that. I knew you were there. I knew you were there. I knew you were out there in the crowd. He did Tooface at the Garden, which is crazy. Yeah, that was great.

That was nuts. He did Simba at the Garden was incredible. Yeah. I really enjoyed the film. Dollar in a dream. It was a really, really good show. And for someone that probably hasn't performed that stuff in 10 years. Yeah.

Thorly. Yeah, I thought it was a really, really good show. At the afters, I ended up leaving like 3 a.m. I got home, got the spins, and threw up in my toilet, and then passed out. You left after 3. after, definitely after three. Whatever time it was. Yeah.

I project how Vombe. I sold that hookah and beer. I had no hookah, but I had probably a lot to heal. Did you kiss that girl? No. How do you know? Because I didn't.

How do you know you didn't kiss her? I didn't black out. I just threw up. I got the spins when I got home. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So he was, you know.

This was at the after party. He was getting a little rhythm? Nah. We guys talked to B-side. I'm sorry. I'm running my mouth. My bad. You know, like, I told the marriage.

I was like, I love these guys. But they don't really. bring women out like that. Because most of them are in committed relationships. Which I love. See, when I said it last week, y'all screamed me out the room. About what? About Cole not bringing out, no chicks at the shows. No, not at the show. He brings out. That's different. Women.

They're talking about like in the intimate after settings. They don't bring the holes through. And when I say women, I'm saying, if it's an after party for my show and it's bad chicks at the show, where's the disconnected? No, it's not. Because they're not, that was a super intimate. That wasn't a you can just get in an after party. Like, Eve was handing out. there was a wristband for the party yeah like it was that type of thing they gave us at msg and then we like yeah but who's handing out the wristbands to who though somebody in a committed relationship this is how small the after after party was

those wristbands for the after after party were handed out at the initial after party at msg so everybody that was at the original after party didn't even get a wristband it was like super it was not that many people in there it was oh yeah it's a disconnect and the club wasn't even open it wasn't publicly open it was closed for the night so it was literally just them like the crew but no no no no no no beautiful women. Well, it's funny you say that because De Maris and I had a question. We were saying when we were at my apartment, it was like

Mary Fuck Kill, Drake, women fans, Drake, Kendrick Cole. Did, oh, Damaris answered it? I, we both agreed. We both. That's a, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what do you mean we both agreed? What did you agree to in that, in that question? I want to hear your answers

first. We have a very, what do you mean? I have my answer immediately. That's the most easy. He's on our side. But, Because of the perception of this podcast, I don't want to really say it. Exactly. Because it's going to come off as hate and it's not hate. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, everybody slow down.

Everybody slow down. What are we talking about right now? Buck, Mary Kill, Drake, Kendrick. You're asking me, women fans. Oh, I'm about to say. I don't know. Not them. That's like, listen, yeah, the female fans are the artist.

Why we want to talk about fucking or marrying or killing them? That's why I'm trying to understand which I said slow down, so I can understand what you're talking about. Cole is tall. So you're saying what women fans would say? Yes. Which women fans of the three would you fuck Mary Kill? Okay.

All right. Did you answer that? Yeah. We both did. Y'all need to answer. That's the easiest question. I'm sorry to some people on the West Coast that are very sensitive and you can't say anything bad without everyone thinking that people ate the West Coast. I would marry Cole fans.

I would fuck Drake fans and I would kill Kendrick fans. Clip it. I feel like that's a no-brainer. Mall, you're up. That's probably the same. Yeah. the same answer. It's a no-brainer.

Yeah. Is there like another option where I don't have to murder? I don't want to be responsible for murdering women. You don't kill them. It's a hypothetical. Like maybe just send a nice text

to say, hey, this isn't working out instead of killing. Okay, cool. Ghosting. Fuck merry ghost. Fuck Mary Ghost. Yeah. Fuck Mary Ghost.

But I feel like there's so much crossover between all three of those fan bases. So yeah. There are. But in the spirit of polarizing and choosing sides. Why not? Do we have, do we want to explain why we feel that for it?

Well, the reason why we have, the reason how this conversation happened. Not entirely, but it's a podcast. So why not? The reason why we had this conversation, it wasn't at your house. We were actually in line while we were waiting for the tickets to come down. And I looked around and I was like, I was like, somebody told me I looked like a J. Cole fan and I wanted to get, I wanted to get offended, but I couldn't because I looked around and saw a bunch of me. They were literally all the merits of surrounding us.

Oh, has a lot of pretty women fans, a lot. Well, so that we have them out. We had the conversation after. At the after party, the whole crew's married. So, and it's a 10-year anniversary. They're going to be there with their wives. Yeah, they want no bitches around. Yeah.

I can see that for sure. But Cole brings them out. Absolutely. I've been to countless cold shows. Even Dreamville Fest, they're there. Okay, so why would we marry Cole fans, fuck Drake fans, and ghost Kendrick fans? I think I'm ready to switch, though,

because I've been to a couple of Drake shows. It was some bad ones. There's a bunch of bad things. There's a bunch of. Nobody would ever. I've been to Kendrick shows and there's bad bitches. Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure.

So what are you going to switch? You want to marry the Drake fans? I think I saw two girls at a Drake show that I probably would have married. As Cole would say. I only been to one Kendrick show and I was in the suite together. Oh, yeah, yeah. I couldn't really see what was in the crowd. Yeah, you're right, we couldn't.

But I've been to Kendrick shows where they're there. There is a lot of crossover between Cole fans and Kendrick fans. That's why it's kind of an unfair question. But if someone has to die, I mean, it's... We literally changed it to ghost and you're still trying to kill them. It's going to be the Keem fans. The key. Any chick that just...

I'd be, all right, Paige, clip it. Let them say he's glazing for once. But the crazy thing is... What am I glazing? I don't know. Same thing I said I was glazing. On the website. Pretty cold fans?

Yeah, I belize those. If we were to call a dude from the west side, he would say Mary Kendrick. I don't believe that. I do. I do. I know some of them. They don't say that. They definitely don't.

Nah. I'm telling you they don't. I'm telling you they do not. I know. I can't say it. I can't say. I don't know. I feel like the guys I know from the west side, like the around the way guys, I know from the west side, they would, they would marry a Kendrick fan.

No way, man. Who do you think they go with? Marry? Yeah. What would 6-0 go with? Drake fans. Mary? Yeah.

Like if she had to, and I'm not just talking about the casual Drake fan. I'm like, if she had to stay. an artist and the artist she stands the way to I stand Cole was Drake. Okay. I'm going to add some stipulations. What type of Drake fan are we talking? You know. Because I think that's unfair because Cole and Drake came out when I was in college

and it was a lot of college women. Yeah, like them because they were rapping about college shit. It was relatable. And a lot of those women went on to be amazing career women, beautiful, wify material. But then Drake took this crazy. pivot of super fucking stardom where all the club rats started loving him too so what there is a balance of drake there's the day ones are not there i think they are but i'm not sure are we is that who we're

talking about or are we talking about the whores and there's nothing wrong with horror fans put it like this they buy tickets too these kind of drake fans what's wrong with these two don't do that you don't do that i'm just saying like that era sleep with both of those that's why that in the hypothetical yes that's what i said i would fuck them that checks out no but i'm saying like you wouldn't want to marry them? Nah. Aren't they? You don't even know

that for your time. I don't even know who that is. They probably are like 19. They're just two TikTokers that he got for this video. But my point is this era. I'm bringing them up to say this era of Drake fan, not the college ones that you're talking about. Okay.

Well, then I think that's a little unfair. But Morgan Wallin fans. Peach. He is? Yeah, he's in the beginning at the dinner scene. Oh, I didn't know that. Isn't Morgan Wallin like a racist? Yeah.

Oh, okay. Cool. He makes country. Pete said he's misunderstood. So what was everyone's favorite part of the night? Love yours?

No, I get off my dick. But I knew that that was going to be. That was when I cried. And I had myself on video crying. You cried to get off my dick. I cried to get off my dick. What are you going through? Are you okay?

No. Get off my dick. It made you cry. It's not the song. It's the fact that that's one of my favorite J. Cole songs. It's definitely my favorite on that album. Like, that's my favorite.

favorite Jake and I've never heard him perform it live. So. All right, but the tears. Why are the tears though? Because I was happy. They're happy tears. Listen, you shouldn't judge because I, you were the polar opposite when I've been on a riser with you. I think there's, I'm looking at you know, there should be somewhere in the middle. You guys are the polar opposites of each other. Crying and get off my dick is hilarious. But also standing stoic while amazing things are happening right in front of your face on a riser should like bring some type of emotion.

I'm watching the show. Yeah, but like, at least raise an eyebrow. I'm supposed to be jumping up and down while somebody's performing. Yes. Especially when you get off my dick place. Fuck no. He literally says from the window to the wall.

You should have to walk. You should have to point. Wait, which window is? I have never pointed from the window to the wall a day in my fucking life. From the window to the wall? Not even on the E. You think I've done that?

You never pointed to the wall? No, I've never pointed to the wall. never done that from the window to the wall. How old were you? First of all, there's no windows in MSG. Let's start. There's skyboxes. What were you pointing at?

There's glass. You was pointing at Patrick Ewan's jersey and then you pointed at fucking the Stanley Cup, the Rangers Stanley Cup flag. Yeah, you pointed at banners. That shit was so packed that it felt small. It makes sense. It was intimate. It felt very small because I went and saw, we saw Cizzer.

We didn't, but I saw Cizza at the garden. I saw Janet at the garden. And recently I've been to a couple shows at the garden, but they didn't feel, it felt small. I don't know. It's hard to explain. Like, that shit was packed. Yeah. Mm.

Saw a lot of great artists, basketball players. It was just like a mixture of just like good. There was some playing in there. Mm. Oh, that's good, man. I'm glad you had it. And it obviously solidifies that Cole is the best rapper out of New York. He is a New York rapper.

Definitely king of New York. King of New York. We've had this conversation on the pod before. And after MSG, I saw Twitter taking to this point. Why are you trying to talk over me? Don't do that. Because I'm explaining it to you.

Let's address it. I'm trying to explain to you. Do you think Jay Cole is the king of New York? The King of New York is crazy. I've said for years, though, that we claim Cole, we can claim, I feel. No, we can't. Why not? His entire career was in New York is here.

He doesn't claim New York. His entire team is from Queens. He does not claim New York. Yeah, he does the claim that he's from New York. He weeps New York. He weeps Queens. He reps Queens so hard. He always has.

That's not new. January 28th. Doesn't he even say? Yeah, I said, son. I'm from New York. Like, he, yeah. His life really started here as far as his career and adulthood.

Yeah. I don't know if Cole reps. He records a lot here. He definitely spent a lot of time in Europe. He's always been like that. And like he wasn't an artist that moved to New York and then went to Greenpoint or Williamsburg or lived in Turtle Bay. like he lived in Jamaica Queens for most of his life.

I think that gives, we can claim him. And he still lives here. He still live here. Only rapper in New York that stayed, including the ones that were born here. So why he didn't do a festival here? Well, I mean, he's home. Hometown versus where you like become an artist are two different things. And on top of that, why when he bring.

His roots are there, but his artistry and like the beginning of his career is New York. And not even just that. Why would you bring? New York has so much. Yeah. Where he's from doesn't have shit. So yeah, I'm going to bring back to my. hometown. Which isn't even his hometown,

by the way. Well, it's a completely different city. I know, but it's close enough. He's not going to do a festival. It's actually not that close at all. It's in the state. It's like two hours away. But it's like, let me bring something down here because they don't really have shit down here. Why would I bring something to New York? New York has everything. That's not fair. I respect what he did with that. Not a hour

away. That's not bad at all. I don't think that that's, I don't think it's crazy for us to claim cold. I just feel like if. Because the South don't claim them because he doesn't rap like a Southern rapper. He raps like a New York rapper. I don't do that because there's rappers in the South that rap. Like New York rappers. I think it's less about his voice and tone and lyrics.

I think it's just literally about where he stays, like where his career flourished. Like him performing Simba, which is one of his first records ever before signed anything. To say, I wrote this in Jamaica, Queens. Like a lot of it,

his career is just based off where he was, how he wraps, his entire crew to this day. He's just surrounded by a bunch of Queens guys. I feel like, I don't know. I don't know. if Khaled is allowed to say he's from Miami,

Cole can claim New York. Same exact situation. They made their bones and career in that city. They've defined their sound from that city. They are that city. But Caled is from New Orleans. Born and raised. Doesn't even talk about it.

Says he's from the 305. And no one cares because he did so much for Miami and really made his career there. DJ drama. Reps, Philly for sure. If you ask him where you're from, he would say, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, or what. But he's from Atlanta.

He's Atlanta. I think drama. Atlanta, Philly, is the same with Cole in North Carolina and Queens. I don't know. I think more people identify Cole with being from Carolina, like, repping Carolina. Sure. He definitely reps. I'm not saying he's like false flagging out of New York.

People outside of New York would never say that like he's New York. They would never say that. Fair, but if you look at his career, I think at this point it is safe to say. It wasn't like a phase where he was two years out of college and was just staying in New York because that's where he was and the Rock Nation office was here and then the whole industry moved to L.A. and he went to L.A. He has stayed in Queens since he's been in St. John's.

Yeah. King of New York. I'm not going to go that far. We were joking about that, but Jay is still, Jay is still the king of New York. I'm talking about like, of current, like, now. Well, but me and you had a conversation. A king has to die for the new king to be crowned. Jay is still very much kicking and alive. Yeah, that's how kingdom gets passed down. The king has to die. And then the crown gets passed down. Not necessarily.

I don't know that works that way. They had every single legend crown, Kendrick, the king of LA. They were all there. They put the shit on his neck. Who's the king of the south? T.I. said he was. I was literally about to say,

I can only think T.I. Because he was the most vocal about it. He proved it afterwards. I really feel like, is he still the king? Because he hasn't. I don't want to even put that in air. But because he's still alive. Is he still the king?

Is he future. But he I still love. He said that like Lorela. Yes. It's food. It's future. It's future. It's furniture.

It's furniture. It's furniture. It's furniture. So is Snoop still the king of L.A.? No. Kendrick is now the king of L.A. So you guys are going against your exact point then. Yeah, that's why I brought up.

Nah, but for New York, you got a doddle. Jay Zee live in L.A. So who more New York? Coler J. I'm just saying you feel me like What are you saying man? We just be saying anything. Hold from Trenton, man.

I don't know. Oh my God, though. See, this is it's why I got to cut the mics off. But I don't think we have a current active. Like, y'all would have to give it to fucking Cash Cobain then. Who the fuck is active in New York right now?

Who's active in New York right now? Come up with it since you got answers. She's bringing up a pretty good point of that's okay. There's no current. The people that would be labeled King are not retired per se, but are not as active as usual. Nikki might be the most active of the older legends. If you go down to the young kids, yeah, it's tough to say who, quote unquote, would be the king.

I think at one point for the younger kids, A. Boogie held that, but I feel like he's been a little unactive lately. I don't, would it be Cash Cobain for the last two years? Ice spice. So then who is it? Ice Spice. It definitely would have been popular. It would have been popular. First of all, what is the criteria for crowned somebody king of a city?

The person that's running the city. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Somebody that's running, running the city musically. Who, if you go out, you can't not hear them. I think that's unfair to put King though on someone that just, like, had a good two years.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. King, I feel like you have to be 10 years in minimum. I don't feel like 10. I feel like 5. Five minimum. In this day and age, five is good. Five continually, like you're successful all five years. Okay.

And you're five albums, five years? years or like two albums five years what are we what are we talking here three albums five years okay in this day and age i wouldn't be mad at that with how quick shit comes and goes that's that's a long career in this day and age but who has done that that's been dominating people have made good music in new york for the last five years i mean it would have to be j naz and niki as far as i'm concerned yeah nas has been the most active actually i take it back that's what i'm saying like who's my king well we know why cold can't be king in new york but No, I'm not saying in any way Cole can be king of New York.

I'm just saying I think we can claim him at this point. Okay. I'm not mad at that. But people outside of New York would never say that. I think that's a New York name because we know he's been. If we were to do top five New York rappers or top 10 or whatever, I don't think Cole would be allowed to be on the board. This is what I'm saying.

So how can we claim him? You can't even put him on a top 10 rappers out of New York right now, Liz. Because he's not from New York. Yeah, that's some sense. So how can we claim him if we can't even, If we put a list together right now, top 10 rappers from New York out of New York City. Okay, top 10 rappers in New York. You can't put calling that list.

I would say if the average, the average hip-hop fan, let me not say average, above-average hip-hop fan, if you ask them their favorite New York producers ever or producers that define the New York sound, they would say DJ Premier, right? Most people, yeah. Where's DJ Premier from? Texas. Most people don't even fucking know that. They think he's New York.

I was like 20 when I found out he wasn't from New York City. I just assumed he was Brooklyn through and through. I think Cole is similar in that regard, too. His sound is very much New York. He is defined by it now. Lived here most of his life. Him and DJ Premier, I think, are similar there. I just don't know if I've ever seen Jake Cole say,

y'all, I'm from New York. He's never said he's from New York. So how can we claim him if he's never even said? Because there's no rules. We just do it wrong. Okay. Well, that's the case. It's like, I don't, it's,

Okay. Like I just can't see us saying, yeah, Cole's from here. Like, you won't even say that. What's the bonus record on Bourne Center with 50 and J. Cole? New York Times. Come on, man. Yo, two New York rappers. New York Times.

Can we pull up the lyrics to that? Yeah, Boria is so funny. We just claim him as a, like, it's like a transplant that moved here when they were 13. Yeah, they might be fucking Ohio. Read the opening. It's really for Queens, though. Really for Queens, though. you know yeah if you if you met a girl who who moved here when she was 12 years old you're not gonna tell her that she don't have ties to new york

if she lived here her whole lot i'm not saying col has more shooters in queensbridge than you do you said what cole has more shooters in queensbridge than you do yeah so um it's quoting j z or the nerds i get it and i and i know col has spent a lot of years in new york city i i know that but when you say we can blame him. I just don't know if that works like that. Look at the first verse. The only reason why we're trying to convince you right now is not because we care that much. It's because we need it.

We just don't have much. I mean, I... Like, if we can take coal under our wing off of technicality, why don't we just do it, man? I feel you. Let's do it. I feel you. I'm with you on that, but I don't know, man. So with that said, now that we all agree, is he top top 10 New York rapper of all time?

Of all time. Can't put him on that list, man. He's not New York. You can't put him on that list. Well, either way, I really enjoyed the show. I liked him going down memory lane. Love that, like, Muhammad's house has become, like, an adjective or noun or whatever that would mean. You watched the stream, right?

Did you watch it? It was well shot. Obviously, we were there, so I didn't watch it in the moment. But in retrospect, when I was home, the next morning, it was a lot of clips. on Twitter and it was like really beautifully produced. Yeah, it was great. I mean, the crowd looked great. You know, love yours with all the phones, cameras out.

You know, it's one of those you had to be there moments. I get it. I mean, you didn't really have to, but if you were there, that's cool. Yeah, no, it's a beautiful moment. You have an issue with people doing the light camera thing? No, no, no. I think that's dope. Especially when you have a packed arena like that.

It looks great. Did he cry at all? I don't remember. I don't know. I cried. I don't remember him crying. She cried for the both of them. Yeah.

I didn't cry. Thought I would have. Almost I love yours. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, slow down everybody. You thought you was going to cry to Jay Kosho? Because I said if I see Demaris cry, I would probably cry. But he couldn't cry to get off my dick. So I was crying to get off my dick, and I don't think he could bring himself to cry to get off my dick.

That wasn't going to happen. Yeah, no. Doesn't I'm never going to happen. All right. So what song would have made you cry, Julian? I don't know. I just thought it would have happened at some point. love yours for sure

I mean if there were to be a song I think you were probably fighting them back at that time I was particularly I wasn't even that drunk at that point nah I was just like happy I think it was overcome with joy but not like in a crying way I was hammered by two by two 30 a.m.

I was fucking hammered. Oh after after I got fucking I literally was stumbling around the lower east side by myself I'm such a walking lick stumbling around the lower east side by myself with a fucking $700 camera in my pocket. Nice.

Lock out the studio, but you know, life is life. Somebody texted me during the show that Jay Cole dresses like a West Coast dyke, and I couldn't get it out of my head for the rest of the show. Who text you that? I'm not going to tell you. And I know you guys want to laugh at that because it's a dig at Cole, but I laughed out loud.

That is funny. It's okay to laugh at Cole for certain things. I laughed. He's a human as well. We're allowed to make jokes as well. We just complimented him for 41 minutes. He is king. Yeah.

Well, I'm glad you had a great time. And shout out to all the Dream Villa. Shout out to Jay Cole for an amazing show. Congrats to Eve. Madison Square Guard.

Shoutouts to Eve. Shutouts to Eve. Shut up our old Dreamville team. Great night. The real story, though, I don't know if this was at the Garden or was at Barclay Center. Mariah Carey did a Christmas show

and I didn't see one fucking ad. Was that like an invite only? I think it was. Well, Rihanna was there getting her titty signs, so probably. No, remember we talked about. She did like a four or five arena she's doing a tour right now.

Yeah, but I even realized that was in New York. I thought, yeah, like some Vegas residency shit. Well, she did a show. Rihanna was there, got her titty signed. They were singing fucking jingle bells. I was jealous. This is what I would really got FOMO for. Yeah, I would want to go see Santa. I would address like enough. This is my idea, like, how you took Amaro to see Santa. This is Santa. Moriah got some heves. You would sit on her lap for a photo?

Mariah? And yeah. Oh, yeah. Tell her what you wanted for Christmas. Oh, everything on my list. Was Nick in the building? Key? Nick Cannon? Nick Cannon. Oh, I'm sure her kids want to see. Like, isn't that part of parenting?

Didn't Rionnet say, A'sab wanted her to get this done? Yeah, she was like, ASEP sent me over here to get my titty sign. And Mariah was like, what do you want me to write? She said, Mariah, a fuck you think like? She was like, I'm a huge fan. Does celebrity still like sign autographs? This is cool. I hope this becomes a thing again.

I think she, I'm sure. I think she only signed it because it was Rihanna. Oh, of course, only because it was Rihanna. Well, no, actually they had a Sharpie on them So they probably were signing autographs Oh, I thought she was like walking off stage at this point She was, but I'm saying they had a shot Like Mariah's crew had a Sharpie with them

So that means that she was probably about to go sign autographs Yeah, I was heartbroken that I missed that I can't believe that I miss that I miss that Santa for real How does Mariah sound? Is she sounding better live now? Because I know at one point she wasn't sounding too good live There was one like a morning show or today's show

That they kind of caught her vocals And before they could be deleted for the way West Coast or whatever, and it didn't sound great. But I'm sure. I think that she just doesn't have the ability to hit the ranges that she used to hit. I'm sure that, you know, Mara used to sing in a very, all that whistle register shit, I'm sure that that's affected her vocal chorus over time. So I don't think that she can go as high as she used to. And if she's, you know, she works once a year now, which is fine. She had an incredible career and just does Christmas, you're not practicing, singing, staying in vocal shape,

that's tough the way she sings. But I'm sure because she announced a bunch of arena shows, she was practicing in fucking August. Yeah. I would like to see Mariah. I never seen Mariah Carey live. First concert ever. Me either.

I don't know. I've seen her since the Heartbreaker tour. Saw Janet live a couple times. Never seen Mariah. Janet is still not sick. I just want everybody to give her her flowers. Janet still doesn't use. She uses background vocal.

but not like, Gina still sings. She doesn't lip sing. She still, like when I went to see her live, she was still singing. And I know that she was singing because I know,

I studied Janet Jackson. She was actually singing still. And she doesn't have the strongest voice in the world, but she's still dancing and singing. She's like 50 something. Randall would shout out to

Cole's background singers, those women that they kept showing on the stream, they were, they were sang and singing. They were incredible. Those were some of the best background singers

I've ever heard at an arena show. Yeah, that band was great too. Let's stay on music, though. We are recording this on Thursday, December 19th, December 20th. We are supposed to get the SOS Deluxe, which is also Lana, which is a completely different album.

I think we should just call this a whole other album. I get it with the streaming games and everything. It's got to be a deluxe, and this is the new world that we have to accept. but I'm going into this with unfair expectations that this is a SZA album not an SOS

deluxe, not songs that maybe could have made it if you're calling it Lana I have expectations for an album. Is that unfair as a fan? What do you mean you said this is a SZA album? Of course it's a Sizz album. It's the SOS Duxe. That would still be a SISA album.

He means a new SIS album. Yeah. Like not not associated with SOSA. Like if she would If she were to say, okay, because on the fifth anniversary of control, she put out the control deluxe, which was really cool, a bunch of references and shit that didn't make it, which plenty of artists have done in the streaming era. You do a deluxe so you can get more streams on the album and get people to revisit it. It's a brilliant strategy that I fully understand. But I've never seen someone call a deluxe a different name. So to me, this should fall in her discography as Control SOS than Lana, no? And does it, when it's a deluxe, does it usually take, I mean, I could be wrong, the SOS came out two years ago, right? Yeah, but I mean, she did her control deluxe five years later, the five year anniversary. Well, that's different. Five year anniversary is different.

But not, there's still artists, there's some artists that do that shit like the next week, but there's some artists that wait. It says Lana and SOS deluxe, so it's probably, it's probably enough new songs when they're for it to be a new album. as well. I don't think it's only going to be like five new songs. Does that, I mean, this is like weird fan nitpicky shit, but does that like kind of bother you all a little bit? Because I feel like Siza, I get why a lot of artists do the deluxe again, like the point I just made of having fans go back to an album and stream it more. I don't think Siza needs to do that type of shit whatsoever. She's going to sell and saying no matter what and rightfully so. I don't think she needs to be under the control.

of some of these streaming games and all that other shit. And if you have an album, which I'm always confident that Siza is going to deliver an incredible fucking album and you're calling it, Lana, which is your government name, you just do a new album. Or attach a new album to the old album. Yeah. I guess I'm not going with the times and adapting. And it should just be control SOS and Lana all in one playlist at this point.

I mean, I actually wouldn't complain. But I'm extremely excited. I think it's perfect time of year for a SZA album. They were crying. I get off my dick, but I am in the perfect headspace to cry to a SZA album. I'm going to go for a walk tomorrow, same way I did when SOS came out.

And I hope it's overcast. I might go to Seattle tomorrow. Let's check the weather for tomorrow. Should we do a quick trip to Seattle? Let's go to Seattle and listen to. A quick trip to Seattle. Oh, it's going to rain tomorrow. Yes.

You know what? I think I might. Are you going to go outside and just like, lay down. It's in a t-shirt. Let the water hit you. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't even think I'll put a raincoat on.

Yeah, no. I think I'll just walk out in a t-shirt and just really accept these bars. Except, just, just, just appreciate the work of Lana. Let, let the,

uh, precipitation go into my pores as if the lyrics are flowing through my body. You have to live in inside of the music. Uh, Siza, so it says here, Sisser wrote over a hundred songs for the original SOS. Yeah, so I remember her saying that.

She has, however many albums, uh, twice over for that. And then she put out a teaser so far The only visual outside of the album artwork Is a teaser with Ben Stiller for the... She wrote 100 songs for SOS?

Yeah. That is crazy. This is probably a collection of those songs. A lot of years. It does check out. Over five years. Shit. We can't play that, baby.

I mean, I already love drive. Who's a better Nepo baby? Janet Jackson or Ben Stiller. Ask me stupid fucking questions. Who thought? to put Ben Stiller. Like, I love Ben Stiller. I haven't seen him in so long.

Who thought, like, whose brain was like Ben Stiller? Isn't it for a... Everyone knows Punch is a really, really big Meet the Parents fan. Oh, really? Yeah. Is that for a whole?

I'm completely making that. A asshole. Isn't he working on something? Is it like a part of a show? Well, Siza has a movie coming out that is Ben Siller producing. I think it was a severance type promo. He's involved with Severance.

He directed Severance. But I think Ben Siller also may be a producer on the movie that Siza is coming out with. Well, I know Issa, Ray is in charge of it. I don't know if Finster has anything to do with it. Well, either way, I mean, it works. She always gets an actor to just do a cameo for her.

She got, Moaning and Clubhouse. Lakeith. Lakeith for the last one. Moaning and Club. So, and I mean, a hundred songs, I usually hate long albums, but SOS proved me wrong. Every song in there is, like, not a skip to me.

It's perfect with the amount of songs that it is. So if Sisson wants to add 35, on the Lana, I'm not going to complain. SOS is a great album, man. It's incredible. And when I saw how many records it was, I was like, oh, God, no. Go back to control of just fucking 11 records.

Every song is fire. I get why every record stayed on there. What was that? What's the name, Gone Girl? Yeah. Oh, my God. You're talking about crying, Julian. That?

Play Gone Girl at 1.30 and watch me turn it to a little dove. Would you judge me? Dove. I'm good, actually. Dove is great. Would you judge me if I said that Gone Girl is my go-te. two showers on? No, I would totally understand. And the acoustics in my bathroom is pretty good,

so I actually sound better than I usually would with the echo in there. You look like you shampoo yourself to go on the way. The conditioner stays in for, I keep going girl on loop. It's like three times and then I know it's time. Let it laather. Get that good lather. With all the hair that I have. But I don't know, maybe I'm more excited than you guys that we get new CISO music at midnight. I'm looking forward to it. Maybe it's because I'm sad. I don't know. I just can't wait for for CIS that's talk to me. She's one of those. artists that I think we know what to expect whenever she announced that she's dropping something. And, you know, it's fun to have those artists that you know they're going to deliver.

She's just one of those artists that no matter what, it's going to be good music. I have a question for you guys. Will Siza get a similar treatment to other artists that make great pain music, that if she ends up getting in a relationship and ends up being happy, it will piss off a lot of her fans? and will her fans want to hear real relationship in love music from Siza? I think so. I think she's a great enough writer.

Oh, we know that. She doesn't have to pull from pain and, you know, just heartbreak all the time. I'm talking about the weirdo fans that get really upset when their favorite artist is happy. You can't do nothing about that. You can put out the greatest. But is she going to get that treatment.

I think so, yeah. I don't think no artist is exempt from that treatment. I love Siza and I don't know her as a person. but from what I see as far as her music and her artistry, I think that even if Sizzle gets in a happy, healthy relationship, she will still be able to pull pain out of it. And I think that will come from her own feelings about like herself. You can hear it in songs like special or nobody gets me.

So I don't think that she'll be writing about her partner being horrible. Even now it's not a lot about her partners being horrible. A lot of it is about her being horrible. Yeah, I mean, a lot. I've actually liked the accountability the growth of Sizzah's toxicity like before it was it's still all very toxic

which she admits but with SOS there was definitely a hey maybe I might be the problem here type of vibe and I could see her getting in a happy relationship and then making an album of being terrified of her being a self

sabbatore if that's the correct one of like this is such a beautiful place that I'm terrified I'm going to to ruin it. Yeah. But then what if she goes through her therapy and all the ayahuasca that she was talking about with Kendrick? And then the fifth album is just full blown. I'm in love. Fuck everyone else that doesn't have a partner. You guys are weird. Like, oh, you guys are still like dating? Yeah, still on it. You guys still swiping left? That's crazy. Taylor's going to do it. Taylor's never going to do that. What? You don't think we're going to get a happy Travis Kelsey album?

A happy Robert Goodell album? but but but but but but taylor's always happy for the white no no yeah you don't think her whole thing is she made just dates to make albums after they break up that's like her whole yeah that's like her stick but she or she does a great job but turn into an anthem oh she she'll cash out on a relationship 100%

yeah you should I mean she's sad she sounds as happy as a motherfucker it's just weird human nature because even like in the happiest relationships I still like don't really like super lovey-dovey music like that. And that's kind of fucked up. Well, that's a reflection of you internally. No, but even if I'm in an amazing mood or like,

I want to relate to, like, the only album I can think of that like, I was like, oh, this is great. I can relate was Jay and Beyonce, everything is love. I was like, this is cool, like a mature album that's actually just strictly about love. I can't think of very many other albums like that in the current time. 70s and all that shit, they made amazing real love music. But this day and age, I only want fucking painful music from these artists. Well, my last relationship, the album, the theme album for that was Whoa These Fields again by Snow Allegra.

And that was a pretty loving album. It had a couple toxic songs on it. But it's a pretty positive I'm in love album. It takes you through like the falling in love part. Yeah. That's a positive album. Um, she, she put out one record this year, I think. I mean, she's coming off, in my opinion, which will be a classic, uh, of those feelings.

But it's, it's been a little quiet. She did, um, that black coffee remix with a temporary high. That's, this was her last one. What you're going to do for love remix that was fire. Mm-hmm. She's been putting out like Lucy's here and there. At one point, she put out a Lucy and a trailer and it looked like we were about to get a snow album. Yeah, but that was like two years ago.

I don't think you noticed how much time now time has gone by. I was like two years ago. Oh, you're talking about those songs where the artwork was like flowers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, records. Be My Summer. Be My Summer was one of them. Yes, that's what it was. But none of those turned into a project.

I mean, I'm sure we'll get a snow album in 2025. I need one badly. Actually, I'm scratching. It's my queen. It's needed. And, I mean, we'll get into, like, our rap and R&B top albums of the year, our favorite ones. I went to all the way to Philly by myself to go to her show. I remember.

And don't do that. It took a sprinter. You're acting like you, you like, I was by myself, though. I know, but you were like, you were basically carried there. I feel like that's lonelier, though. I'd rather drive. I said I went by myself. Does that change anything?

No matter, but like what the car was in? If you took like University Transit and then switched in Trenton and then got on the Philly train, then I'd be like, all right. The China bus. I'm not doing that. But you weren't like a beautiful plush sprinter. You didn't even realize you left your house. I mean, you know, had to be comfortable.

Of course, comfort is number one. Exactly. But we'll get into our top albums. And it was COVID. Oh, yeah, of course. Social distance. You were, yeah. You were being safe.

Exactly. With a mask on in the sprinter. By yourself. Now that I'm never doing. Do you guys have any idea when Summer's album is coming out? I know it's coming. I know it's coming soon, but I need to know if it's coming before the end of this year.

I would say first quarter of next year. I don't think. I'm shocked his is doing this. But she's been doing all this advertising. So that's what I'm like. Yeah, top of the year, I think. That Apple Music show. I think that's tied to an album that's coming

and she's going to do more episodes to eventually get there. So yeah, I would say first quarter. R&B was there was great R&B this year. It was. Don't get me twist when I'm saying that. There was an amazing R&B this year. But as far as volume, it was light

compared to 2023. I'm pissed I didn't put my album out in 2024. I may have made a list. This year? This was your year? You missed it. But yeah, I do want to go through ours next episode. I've got my list. I'm curious what yours is going to be.

But it was light for R&B this year. It was light for R&B this year, but it was great for R&B this year. It was a lot of dope projects. I could say the same about rap too. There's a lot of good rap projects this year. Yeah. I'm just saying volume-wise, it was easy to put my list together. I'll put it that way.

And of course, it's because all our R&B stars took tens of millions of dollars in grants. So they were just living it up. They were taking taxpayers' dollars to go to Toulou. That's what they're supposed to do. Ma, are you familiar with this? Business Insider put out an article yesterday with the title, How Rich Musicians Build American Taxpayers for Luxury Hotels, Shopping Sprees, and Million Dollar Bonuses.

They was running a PPP? Yes and no, which is crazy, because Pige brought this article to my attention, and at the exact same time, the SBA loan had emailed me three times today. They're on my ass about the tiny amount. amount of money that I took out. Meanwhile, little Wayne got fucking $9 million and it was setting it to mysterious women. That's the line item. So this is where Wayne spent this money at? So essentially, just to give a quick background, Business Insider highlighted artists like Wayne, Chris Brown, Allison Shains, was a DJ Marshmallow. When COVID hit, you know, all of them

have their own separate businesses that are just for touring, which made them eligible for these SBA loans because, you know, they weren't bringing in any tour capital. Even though Wayne had sold his catalog that year for $100 million on a separate account, he still was eligible to get this loan to pay his staff for touring because no one could make money. Now, they've kind thrifted through some of their tax returns and what they did with their money and put some- Wait, Trump pardon, Wayne? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, shit, I forgot about that. Trump also gave all these artists this money, by the way. Yeah, Wayne's grant, Wayne's grant was worth $8.9 million in the pandemic relief program. So two years of spending with that money. So obviously, even now, like as someone I took out

an SBA loan, just recently you started to have to pay stuff back. Like, they had to sift through everything coming out of 2020 and 2021. Most of us were hoping that Biden was going to clear this entire shit out. He had talked about it. It didn't happen. Also, I know there's a million reasons that we have inflation. But let's not pretend like all these SBA loans isn't a huge reason for it. They broke down Wayne Shoppinsbury. He bought a $300,000 Belize Jagger belt. Like, they know that. Yeah. Yeah, it's itemized. He spent $8,626 at a shopping trip to Dover Street Market in 2022. Now, I'm pretty sure Wayne can cover $8,000 for shopping. Yeah, but it's not that. It's the money that he used from the government.

For example, he had owed Tess, friend of the show, shout out to Tess. He had owed Tess, can you make it a little bigger because my eyes bet. 2.14 million. He had owed $2.41 million to his ex-manager, Cortez Bryant. And he's taking money that should be spent on whatever touring costs, i.e. some of his staff or expenses. And he's taking that money and then paying out other people that should be for his other LLCs, his other corporations. Got you. So Business Insider is going through this explaining that a lot of these artists may be arrested for fraud

because this is, this is, you're taking a loan out and using the money for something you said you weren't going to do. Like Chris Brown took it out and in some cases it looked like he was doing work. He took a tour bus down to Tulum to do a video with Jack Harlow, but he was there for a whole month with his entire staff and stayed in like this resort village. Yeah, part of the grant, he was $24,000 for the cost. of driving his bus from these states to Tulum back in the fall for a month long stay with him in his entourage in a resort town where he did not perform. And then he shot a video and then that was it, but it was a month.

Wayne, who again got this $9 million. Once things started to open up, he was getting offers to even do shows, one being in Coachella and then reach out to Coachella and said, we can't fly there, the winds are crazy. Coachella saw that four planes that just went on the exact same route at the exact same time. So he is able to make money and is not doing that, but still taking a loan. Right.

Is, you know, we're not accountants. But yeah, that could be fraud. Something is wrong there. And there was a specific accounting firm that manages a lot of these guys, NKSFB, which were like the main culprits in this entire thing. They were taking out over $7 million based off just their commission with their clients off taxpayer money. all right, which is a little crazy when, you know, you're not paying anyone out of that company, even though you're eligible for it. It was placed there so you could continue to pay the people when they can't work.

But touring's odd, and Pige and I were talking about this. In no way am I an expert. I'm really just speculating based off, you know, we have a separate company that's for when we do tours. A lot of touring, even when it is at the level of, say, a Chris Brown, you're hiring a third party company or you have a deal with Live Nation who's going to hire everyone and a lot of even the employees

that Live Nation hires are more contractors for that specific tour which means those contractors would have been eligible for a loan at that time because they cannot work their business is completely shut down

they're sole proprietor like I'm available for for example the SBA loan that I took out I'm sure anyone that's been on a Live Nation tour was eligible for that so that makes sense in that time

for somebody that isn't really paying out anyone except whatever their split is with Live Nation to be eligible to get a loan of that magnitude just because you gross $9 million last year in touring doesn't mean you should get $9 million this year, especially when you're not paying it out to the people that are on the tour to keep the economy moving. Yeah. The biggest offense to what Rory is saying in the article here says, this report reveals how artists directed millions in taxpayer funds, not towards touring crew members, but instead towards their own bank accounts, luxury purchases, and entertainment expenses,

often while sitting on substantial wealth from other business ventures. So they weren't using money that they were, say, making from other business ventures like this to say, but instead they were taking the taxpayer money to fund their already, you know. Well, I do like that line. It says one top government accountability expert says some of the spending business insider identified was questionable, but stopped short of saying it was fraudulent. So that's important. That's quote of the article right here.

Yeah. At a minimum, it smells. It smells. I feel you, David Walker. Here's the thing. Again, not an expert. I don't know if this is fraud or this is just a problem with that entire SBA loan system. I don't know if this is essentially fraud because the only to be eligible,

I was reading in the article, how they even came to the lump sum amount that they were getting, it was it had to be just below what they made last year from that exact LLC. So if Chris Brown made $10 million in touring in 2019, he was eligible for $9 million in 2020. We're mad at Chris Brown for taking that money? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. You can't be mad at ours. The SBA system was fucking insane. It's also part reason why we're in so much debt and so much inflation now because they

mishandled those COVID funds so much. And even in the article, after they shited on the artist for seven pages, at the end, they said, this is pennies compared to the major corporation bailouts that happened during COVID. Nine million dollars is pennies compared to what other places got. I mean, but we know that. We know through that whole pandemic thing. We knew that a lot of that was going to come back and hurt. And obviously a lot of it falls on us to taxpayers. But I mean, I do like to see that they are finally addressing a lot of this as far as coming from people who are already rich and wealthy. Like, okay, y'all have to pay some of this money back.

Like, you can't just let this fall on the taxpayers. I loved how business insider even just broke it down. How Chris Brown spent his grant. Top item himself, five point one million. Yeah. That stays here. That's to the crib. That's to the crib.

Another line item on his list was he'd spend 80 grand for his 33rd birthday party. I can see that. Yeah. Sounds about right. No, that sounds right for a Chris Brown birthday party for sure, but at the time when the money was coming from an account that was from the taxpayers money, it's a little different. Chris Brown can spend his money any way he fucking wants. But when it comes to this loan to-taxpayers, yeah. Yeah, you didn't take a loan from a bank.

You took it from the government, which is our money that we continue to pay. Right. So, yeah, people are pissed with. And it doesn't, I'm not shooting bail to Chris or Wayne or any of these other artists because they are adults and they're grown men and they're smart. a lot of us were fucking confused at that time. And I'm sure their accountants and business managers were like, you're eligible for this money. Like, you should take it.

Even my business manager when I didn't necessarily like need the loan right away, but he was like, it's the lowest interest rate that has ever existed in America. You would be dumb not to take this now. Yeah. And trust me, it helped. And I did use it for business IRS.

I promise you don't need to add me to any articles. And I'm still, I'm paying it. But every, every single person's business manager was like, this is the lowest interest rate, you will never see this for the rest of your life. Yeah. Take it.

But I mean, to be fair, to be fair, a lot of these artists, you know, because while their name is an article and, you know, they're breaking down line items on what they spent, they did not, if their accountant and their business manager said, yo, let's take this loan, they probably was like, all right, cool. They didn't think that it was going to come back and look or smell away. It's one of my favorite dame quotes ever. How could I have tax problems? I hired an accountant.

Right. Like, what the fuck? I hired someone so I would not have tax problems. Now I have tax problems? Right. I didn't tell him not to pay. Yeah. And this wasn't just a hip hop issue.

I know we're only talking in that community. I'll see Steve Aoki up there. Steve Aoki, Marshmallow. Rory mentioned earlier, the Allison Chains, which is a group, is also named in this article. Allison Chains was the craziest one. They took one out and had a whole touring staff, one of which ended up getting cancer. and they did not use any of their loan to continue the health insurance for their staff. Instead, they did a go fund meet on Twitter during COVID when no one had any fucking money.

And then he, unfortunately, I love dying. Did we want to get into the brief text exchange between Lil Wayne and the reporter from Business Insider, Catherine Long? She reached out to Wayne for a comment and his response is hilarious, Maul. Do you want to give us this? So Catherine says, hello, Dwayne. This is Catherine Long from Business Insider. Did you see my email? Hold on. Can we see the time she sent that?

521. 521. Okay. So an hour and 39 minutes later. No, an hour and 40 minutes later. Wayne just picks up his phone, probably charging. Yeah, yeah. He's in the kitchen.

Hey, Catherine, did you see my dick? I'm sure it's much longer and better than the email. And you like him long, right, Miss Long? Spoken like. He's still in shape. Spoken like the car. You don't see the entendres with the longs? Then you try to clean it up, but.

I think he got... Not sure... Catherine says, not sure what you're referring to. Yes, you do, Catherine. Our email requested your comment related to the shuttered venue operator's grant program.

Apologies. This isn't Kitty, Catherine? Well, you must have wrong number and wrong Dwayne. Why he started talking like he was... Because he knew he fucked up. No, because you know, Mac Main took his phone and typed that.

Well, you must have wrong number and wrong Dwayne. But that is probably how Wayne texts. I don't know what the full sentences. For sure. For sure. I thought, what do you say? I thought this was Kitty Cat.

Kitty Catherine. He said apologies, this isn't Kitty Catherine? Well, let's say you have like a long relationship with an escort or a stripper or whatever that texts you because we can assume Kitty Catherine might be one of those. Yeah. Is she sending you? Hey, did you get my email? No.

Wayne knew exactly who he was talking to. Okay. What if Wayne and her have like some weird role play where he's like her boss and like, first of all, she says this is Catherine Long from business insider? They could have some type of, like, weird fetish where she's, like, the secretary and he's the boss. She's got to be his secretary. Like, they roleplay through text messages? Yeah.

And, like, that is crazy. His secretary saying, like, did you see my email? And he was like, come see my dick. Did you see my dick? The business inside her business. This is pretty much the entire synopsis to Madman. It's the same thing. Yeah, Wayne, you got to pay that money back, though.

Some text messages is cool, but she, they go to the IRS want that money. That's for sure. and listen, I'm not saying we should let them off the hook of anything, but I think they're the least criminals when it comes down to something. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Staying in music, it's been a full music day. Low Baby did an interview. I assume he has an album coming out. It's been a while.

Probably. But he did a full sit down with Charlemagne. He also sat down with Yadi. I think he did one other podcasts as well. But Charlemagne asked him today if he still had a relationship with Gunna. Are we allowed to play this clip? Yeah, I think so Let me just get the actual clip

What's the relationship with you and Gunner right now I don't got no relationship You know The internet says You can't make hits without Gunner So do you think y'all ever make music again? The internet is say anything How many hits I got?

We can pause here Because there really wasn't much That happened in this interview And I'm not saying that's a Charlemagne thing whatsoever. I think he asked all the right questions, but some rappers just don't care to answer questions whatsoever. But this was kind of crazy to me that we finally got an answer from Baby about his relationship with Gunner. Outside of Thug, I think Baby was the next person. All of us were waiting to see on what he was going to do once Gunner was home and making music again. I think, but didn't

baby address this kind of early, though? Didn't he tweet something early? He did, but this was when everyone was like Meek, Dirk, like a lot of people did like an unfollow when that shit leaked. And then Thug said something that was cryptic that made it sound like, oh, maybe Thug is still fucking with Gunna and this was their plan. So everyone, I think, got nervous as far as, oh, shit, are we supposed to cut this guy off or not?

So I think it's interesting that baby is flat out saying we don't have a relationship. Charlemagne goes on to ask another good question in this scenario, because Thug, in his plea, asked if he could still have communication with Gunner because they work together. if thug was in the studio with gunna working on a song and called you and said baby will you come here and get on the record would you do it baby said i don't ever see that happening and then did a cryptic kind of way of saying fuck that thug can do what he want i'm not i'm not fucking with gunner that's what i took from him dodging the question i mean listen you know certain guys come from a certain background and you know certain things are just you know all bets off after that so So, I mean, I understand baby stance on that.

Now, as far as Thug, because, you know, obviously, you know, it's business there, like a real close of business relationship there. So it's a little different for Thug. Way different. It's his artist. Yeah, but I understand, you know, I understand little baby stance. And his stance is like a lot of other people's stance that come from a certain background. It's just certain things, it's no coming back from.

So it's no surprise to me. Yeah, I'm just even shocked with Baby doing his press, run that he allowed some of these questions. Like, he's not really like an interviewer per se. Like, they did his doc, and that was the most we ever really got from him because he's not media trained. But it's not even media training because I don't think you need media training. I just think that some people just are not comfortable with talking to, you know,

somebody that's interviewing. Like, people don't want to be interviewed. Yeah. It seems like you're grilling me. And then, you know, a lot of these artists don't trust. People that you try to spin what I said and now I'm online saying something that's, you know, is out of context. So it's a lot of apprehensiveness. I'm looking at Gunn in this interview.

His body language is very like, you know, cold and standoffish and like, all right, what you want to talk about? Hurry up. Ask me what you got to ask me so I can get out of here. Like, he don't really want to sit there. I mean, he definitely didn't want to sit there and talk about Gunner. Yeah. But I just think that it's interesting because little baby has been, he's been, you know, a star for some years now. You would think that he would be a little more comfortable.

in interviews and having conversations with, you know, certain media personalities. But he came up in the era like, of course it's still important to make your rounds and sit with people and do interviews. But a lot of people from his generation can talk directly to their fans through social media. They're not forced to have to go through outlets to reach people. So they don't, it's not even media training. They just don't even get to practice where when you're on album five, you've been doing this non-stop. stop so you know how to at least fake it and get through the press run days.

He doesn't, he hasn't done much because he hasn't necessarily needed it. Do I think it could help if he did more of it? Of course, but it's not a necessity. I think his generation doesn't view it as a necessity to have to sit with everyone and really answer all these fucking questions. Like,

if I don't fuck with gun, I don't fuck with gun. It's not, I'll rap about it. Yeah. I don't need to sit with you guys to do it. So I'm actually even shocked. He had as candid as possible an interview with Sharmae.

And Yadi is, as well. I thought the Yadi conversation was a bit better just because they're friends, but I don't know. Maybe I was a little bit more shocked than most people today that he actually answered that question. I'm not. I think he probably was tired of, you know, seeing it probably in his mentions and things like that. So just addressed it and, you know, now nobody got to ask me that again. I answered it. Y'all know what it is. Nobody asked me about it. I'm just going to ask an open-ended question because admittedly, I'm not like the little baby and going to. fan that

idolizes them and their music just because I think it's an age difference but we talked about with the Drake battle like damn for me it hurts that I'll never get a Drake

and Rick Ross song again like that that sucks for me for these kids never getting a low baby and Gunner record again I think is big news yeah but that's a

for that generation they are an iconic duo rightfully so yeah but I think they have made great music to get yeah but I think it's stings a little bit more when you there was hope before because we didn't really know what was going on

with the case now it's set in stone that two people that have made great music together damn near like helped make each other's careers like it almost seemed like little baby and gunner were a group at when they have a whole tape together that's crazy to think that we will never get music from these two again yeah i mean listen i i get it you know make good music but you know we're talking about somebody like little baby. It's just certain things that I knew what it was. I was like, bro, he's not, he can't do that. It goes against everything that, you know, he stands

for and that he's built upon. So it's not a surprise to me. And didn't, didn't Thug tweet something when he came home? Didn't he tweet something alluding to like he wasn't fucking with Gunnarly? That was I think Photoshop's because it said like this tweet was deleted and no one could really confirm if that tweet was actually deleted

or somebody photoshopped that tweet and put tweet was deleted. I feel like his father went on line and says, I don't know, it was just a lot going around around that time when when Thug was released, but here it is. Gunna stop acting like we friends on the internet. I don't know you, my guy. That's clearly not real.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't think. That made rounds like it was. I don't think that was. You know that to be false because of how things ended up. He's going to work with Gunna. No, he has to be around him. That's his part.

I don't think Thug and Gunna are going to work together again. But they have, I mean, they have to be in contact with each other, though. They have to be. That's his artist. Yeah, even if they don't even have direct communication, it'd be hard to prove that he wasn't violating his parole if you see both their signatures together or any type of business interactions. Like, it would be impossible. So I don't really foresee that happening. But, I mean, Gunn has been making great music since he's been out. He's been making really good music.

I think babies do up. I feel like it's been not quiet for him at all, but. Spend. It's okay to say it's been quiet. No, but when you say that, it doesn't put out anything, though, right? It sounds like you're saying it's over for baby. He took some time off, which is fine.

Yeah, I'm not, I'm never met at all that's taking time off. But he has to prove something on this next one. Oh, he has something to prove for sure because he, I mean, he has it. People saying he fell off and, you know, it's quiet for him and things like that. His last single was, uh, November. Yeah, it just came out. So we'll probably get an album from him first quarter then if he's doing press now and has a single out of November? I think so.

I doubt on this side of the year. Because he only has what, like one Friday left? Yeah, no. I don't think he's dropping that this year. Top of the year, first quarter. They'll do a real proper rollout. I can't say some surprise album with where babies at in his movie right now. Again, staying on music, but more gossip shit that, not to say I don't care, but I just find it like.

like weird of the things that are like TMZ headlines. Chance the rapper and his wife had filed divorce after five years of marriage. I get the chances mentioned his wife in a lot of his music. One of his albums, the theme was he loved his wife so much and that was a big thing. He's put her on IG before, but they were never like this social couple that was out here that we even deserve to know that they filed for divorce. That's where I guess I find it weird. I understand the couples that call paparazzi and are seen out every fucking day, like that it's a thing. They were relatively private with what they have.

Very private. So I don't, which it just felt weird to me with TMZ doing that and then the whole timeline talking about Chance and his wife was on divorce and then him catching a dub. Yeah, that was the video that kind of, ever since this came out,

people were just like, the clocks on. Okay, well. Which I'm sure this had nothing to do with them. It added some context because I read the T-E-E-Rexam. MZ article because I'm a hypocrite. They had been separated for quite some time. She just filed for divorce that day. They had not been together.

So if you're separated, you can't catch a dub at Carnival. I mean, you can, but I don't want nobody thinking you connected to me. Yeah, but it's a, right. It's like, we can be separated, but you still can't be. Have some cooos. Yeah, like, you got to be, you know, don't make, don't make, you know, your partner look stupid.

Like, we're not together, but we do have a family. Like, we're family forever. So it's like, you know, don't make me look crazy. You're out here at Carnival. You know, you just know what it looks like. You know what that, you know, with that says the message behind that. So it's just, you know, it looks away. That's all.

Well, I mean, I hope this is something they both want. Yeah, man, as long as they have it and the kids are, you know, obviously well taken care of and safe and loved. I mean, who cares if they're together not as long as the, you know, the family is still intact and they're still respect and, you know, love. for the kids. But it was fucked up why it really was news on like the music timeline

kind of back to our CISA conversation of fans that hate your music when you're in love I saw people celebrating the ones that hated

his last album that was about his wife they're like finally we'll get back to chance music because he's not fully in love and married which is fucked up

because he's like two kids and divorce as hell that's fucking awful to be like oh thank god he he's divorced thank god he's going through it yeah thank god his kids will be in separate homes it's crazy fans are crazy man

and even then it's not like chance was ever making like super hurtful fucking or like single i'm fucking these ho's type of music he's always made positive music just the last album it was about his wife do we think that three on the hat meant three to guys like three him from his marriage pete said yeah immediately He was selling us the whole time.

We should have told him, we told him to do it. It's a bling three times. Under the bill. Under the brim. Yeah. Three me. This sounds pessimistic, but is it impossible, especially for people that are working in entertainment to get married that young?

I always think it's a bad idea to get married young. Because they've been together, they were five years probably, six years, something like that. Chance was young when they got married. No, they was. She was fresh out of college, I believe. They would have a longer than that. I'm sorry, married for five years.

They were together longer, for sure. Yeah, they were together for a long, long time. Is that even like, is that sad for me to say that I just don't think that's like a smart thing for this generation? To be, get married? To get married early. If you're in a certain type of industry. I think people in the South, yeah, you guys can go get married at fucking 18 and you guys will be together until you're 70, but. A nearly 10-year relationship.

Chance is only 29? So yeah, you're literally growing up together. Yeah, that's tough. She's 29. He's a little older. That's tough to... And yours. Especially in this...

You know, it's different now, as opposed to when I grandparents met and got together and got married. It's just a different world. Different access, things like that. But then, like, if you love someone and you know this is the person I want to spend the rest of my life with, how do you also make that make sense in your brain not to marry them at that time.

And like what woman that also feels that way is going to be comfortable with like, yeah, no, we're 20 and we both know we're going to stay together forever, but I'm fine with you marrying me in 10 years. Now, I'm on the side of it. If we have a child very young, then I think I'm all on the side of, listen, you know, make the family a real union and make it whole, you know, give your wife that security. Well, yeah, taxes as well. But yeah, I'm on the side of that.

But it's just, it's tough, man, because you're still growing up, you're still learning yourself, you're still evolving at, you know, 28, 29 years old. So to say, you know, put marriage and a home on top of that, and even though, you know, while chances is successful and has money and can afford, you know, a different lifestyle and, you know, it's still like he's still growing up. He's still, you know, becoming a man and he's doing it in real time and learning in real time how to, you know, be a father, be, you know, an artist and be a supportive husband and things like that, it's a lot on somebody that's still, you know, essentially learning who

they are as a person. So, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, I understand it on one hand, but it's like, you know, if you could not be married in your 20s and, you know, evolve and learn who you are, I would say just hold out. But at the same time, if you have a kid young and, you know, you want to make your family official and things like that, then I totally understand that as well. Yeah. And to be clear, I'm also not saying for someone that is young and works in the entertainment.

space based off access to other women because not everyone is a cheating piece of shit. Yeah, it's not even about that. It's just you don't have a real structure at all. Your life is kind of all over the fucking place. There's not anything really set in stone. It's not like you have a specific salary that you know you're going to make every single year. You go to work, you come home.

Marriage and being a parent really comes from structure is the best way to handle that. And when you're a young entertainer, I don't know how you would even handle that type of shit. between tour making music like not even knowing where the next check is necessarily going to come from and there's so much uncertainty like you have to constantly be focusing on that part of your career

and that's tough for a young kid and again I don't know if that was the case with chance at all but you know speculating yeah but I mean prayers everyone involved hopefully hopefully they're both happy about it and ecstatic and because that happens people get divorced and are very happy and still very cordial and you know still do a great job at co-parenting

and raising their kids. So, you know, I don't, I don't, I mean, chance doesn't strike me as a toxic individual. No. I don't know, you know, what the situation is, what is, what is, his ex-wife. But I think that, you know, it'll be a healthy, a healthy co-parenting thing.

Yeah. Louis C.K. said, never say you feel bad for someone that got divorced because no good marriage ever ended in divorce and they're both thrilled. That's a fact. Put that in the museum. Unless you're the guy

and you have to give up half your assets. And they did say the details of what she's asking for and not disclosed yet. You know what's that becomes public. Once his three hat collection. Oh, my God. It was her idea. She designed it.

You know, that's coming in. Her favorite number. That's her angel number. Her favorite number. You know, that's her nickname. I've definitely, we've seen that in the past with some divorce of like women, whether actors or musicians that they were like the muse and like they deserve.

I was just trying that. I was the inspiration. she said she A&Red my beautiful Dark Swiss and Fantasy. I believe her. She might be right. Yeah. I believe her. It was confirmed that when they were making Monster, she did say there's this girl

Nicky Minaj that you should get on this. So I don't know that that's like a full A&R credit, but... I believe her. You was, you know... It changed the record. Changed the album. One of the best verses that's ever existed. Exactly. What else you think, Amber A&R'd on there? Her own disc record? Blame game? Probably.

I think she was feeding Chris Rock those lines? I mean, I just think it would be funny if it comes out that if I ain't be like, nah, she really did. I think people owe Amber an apology. Sure. Now, it sounds crazy. Women make the best A&Rs.

It sounds crazy because you don't look at Amber like, oh, she's somebody that knows about music. It's like, you know, as long as she went in there and she said, no, you should do this. And then they actually did it and the album came what it is. Yeah. Did she not A&R? No. Well, there's more to be an A&R than just making a suggestion of what to do. I'm saying throughout the entire process that she's there with Kanye.

I feel like if she cleared a sample, then I'll give her that. No, she didn't clear a sample. I can promise you she didn't do that. I can promise you everyone didn't clear a sample. Because then, because I feel like we're giving the listeners this false impression of what A&Rs are. Because everyone on Twitter thinks they can be an A&R because they like, they like two chains before he pops. They're like, yeah. I mean, that's all A&R's do is just fine people before.

Well, I mean, LeBron can be A&R. So can you. He will. He's literally. He literally is an A&R. He's taking time off with the Lakers to go back. Oh, that's what he's doing. He's working on the deluxe?

You think he's working on it? Deluxe Deluxe. He worked on Lana, you think? He definitely worked on Lana. He called Ben Stiller. That's a fact. He saw him courtside at the Lakers game. He was like, yo, I got this Lana project.

His album's too good. He's speculating that Braun. I think they're saying that Savannah might have found a burner phone. Oh, please. All kind of shit. I just think that he wants out of L.A. It was not a surprise. That's not that.

He's a sad-ass team. Yeah. Oh, he came back? He played? You guys are the more basketball guys than me. But I saw that headline and then I saw him playing like the next day and was like, is this a rerun? He had to go to Germany and get that plasma. Get that plasma ingested it. They turned his TV off?

Yeah, they had to get the plasma in the knees, man. Get some more air in those knees. That's so fucked up of all the speculations. When he said that, they were like, oh, did he, JZ. Now it's LeBron. It's clear now. People are crazy, man. People are absolutely crazy.

Crazy. Well, I guess I'm glad he's back. And hopefully we'll have new music soon now that he took a weekend off. Fucking Lake is stink. Well, look what you guys did with your 55th pick? Could have drafted better. The 55th pick. Could have drafted better.

Yeah, that's what got us fucked up. Put up 30. He had a big night the other night. Who, Ronnie? Ronnie, put up 30. Yeah. With the Lakers? Hell no.

With the Lakers. What the hell? Don't tell me that until he does it with the Lakers. That would have been on every fucking, are you kidding me? I mean, the Gilely going on. I mean, you know, 30 in the Gile is not bad. Like, that's crazy.

Yeah. I just don't think, you know, he's ready to be the 55th pick. But other than that, any sports updates before we get to voicemails? Christmas is coming. Well, waiting for those numbers.

We didn't talk about the Yankees lost Juan Soto. I mean, do we need to? I mean, I thought they was going to keep him. But he was asking for a lot. He was stretching it. Pause. We'll be all right.

Yeah. But we got coach. Bellinger that was a good pickup and then uh page six threw in some little gossip that had me a little fucking worried important gossip though sometimes gossip is important you need that we're still talking sports yeah we're talking about locker room chemistry right now we're not even trying to be gossipy this is still man sports shit that we're talking about right now take your clubhouse by the way so cody bellinger i did not know about his wife because i particularly do not give a fuck her name is chase carter she's a model

apparently, allegedly, she dated Stanton before marrying Cody Belanger. Yeah. Now, we don't know what dating really means. Like, maybe he just beat one night or if they were in a real relationship.

Well, here's some a little more... This is just gonna get messy. This might be worse than Jeter and A-Rod. Carter, who married Cody last December, has two daughters with him. She had a two-year fling from 2018 and 2019 with Stanton. That's pretty,

these years are bumping on each other. Yeah, there's definitely some overlap. There's some overlap. Stan probably still has some cleats in the grow. I'm imagining that she had to break it off with Stanton because she got pregnant. I didn't want to go there, but I was going to bring up maybe there was some type of conversation with this overlap on whose kid was who. Wait, why you say that? Well, look at the dates here.

Yeah. They line up perfectly. Down to the nine months. What dates? In December? No. Oh, my bad. Yeah, look at you.

You're math. Yeah. I'm seeing the 2019 MVP. Yeah, exactly. She married him last December, which means that they've been together. It still doesn't necessarily. No, the theory's wrong. You can say it.

Well, when did they have the two daughters? Well, yeah. Or she has two daughters with someone else. Yeah, how old are the daughters? That's what matters. Yes, two daughters with Bellinger. I don't know. Okay.

That's what matters. They just got married, but if there's two daughters, that could be four, five years. there could be some overlap that's all I'm saying either way um I don't think this is that big a deal that locker room is going to be very interesting she's hot isn't that weird though yes what are you talking about yes it's weird that is weird it's weird if you come in here with a girl that I dated let alone we play for a team and we travel we in hotels and got to practice and and play games to me that's but she's like married with two kids now I don't it's still I understand it's not like, but it's still like,

yo, my ex is like your wife, like you have a family. It's weird in any, it's all, not say weird. When we put weird on it? It's a little. Uncomfortable? It's a little uncomfortable, a little awkward air in the locker room. So it's kind of one of those, if Cody walks in while the whole team is there and Stan is there and they all talking, once Cody walks in, everybody's quiet.

It's like that type of like, oh shit, like are they going to, they're going to have words? Is he going to shake his hands and say what's up to him? Like, it's like that. until Cody is cool and be like, yo, we ain't got to be weird or awkward, bro. Like, I know y'all dated like at school. Well, one of their kids was born in 2021. Okay.

Okay, so there's no real overlap. There's two kids. So the one that other kids could have been born? Could have been born after or before that. It's like you're trying to force this. I'm not affording it. It's a story. I think there's more of a mess in like,

I'm not just going to put it on the NBA, but in locker rooms where it's more so cross over with hose and like IG chicks. that they actually like but pretend they don't like and you find out that guy also fucked then it is with this like she's married

like if they had if they dated for two years and he didn't do no like foul shit to her or anything they dated for two years and then she moved on and I met her like my wife wouldn't have dated someone before me the only weird part is now that they just share

a locker room I think this is a way less awkward situation than some of the mess crossover dating that happens when you're not in a relationship. You baby look like Amara. Listen, I've been in close proximity to athletes, like becoming teammates that one of them dated the other one's current wife. Like, it is an awkward thing.

Were they white? And this is important. No. Because the reason why I say that is because I always like with my white friends, they never seem to care about, they don't care about stuff like that at all. like would you consider me a white friend no no so I'm just a white like like like actually and honestly you don't really care like that either like I just I feel like they just oh I wouldn't care this is not as important to them yeah like oh you guys were dating like

like they move on fast I care about shit but to say I would think it was nuts if my wife that I have two kids with dated someone before like not no crazy fucking wild out smut shit that you was running through a locker room. You dated a guy for two years and it didn't work out. Like, that's life. But I wouldn't care about that. But if she was getting like smutted out by the whole infields, yes, this white friend cares. Well, Mall, but I think Maul's point is that they have to kind be like bros now. Like we understand team. We're teammates. Literally teammates. Like, we have to have this bond and this chemistry with each other. That's the way successful teams happen. We have to like each other to a certain extent. We have to have each other's back on the

field. You know what I'm saying? Like, we got to, like, it's, we have to have to have more awkward for Stan and her. Yep. I was going to say, I think it's going to be more awkward for her up in the, the new, like, family and friends section with, because Stan probably has a new girl because baseball players don't stay single for long. He's only focused on the game. It's all, it's the way, it's definitely for the women. That's not true. I've seen it. I'm telling you, they get along women, they don't, listen, when it's millions involved, women, women, get along. Dad called you. It'd be the niggas in the locker room fake staying at each other like ice She comes in the locker room with her kids whatever. That's somebody she used to date for two years too. So there's there's actually something somewhat was there. You guys knew each other for two years. Yeah, that could be a little awkward of how to handle it and not make sure your partner feels awkward. That's all I'm saying. It's gonna be awkward. It's just gonna be a little awkward. I think for her and stand it's way more awkward than it is for him. I don't think because what if the her and stand broke like? Like what if they they should end it on some like you know they don't like each other. It's not awkward at that point.

If you don't like the person, like you can't stomach seeing them, like, yo, this piece of fucking shit. It's not awkward for you. I would feel awkward. You rather just not even see the person like, yo, he's a piece of shit. Like, I don't even want to be around him. That's not awkward. Awkward is in when it's like, damn, we was cool. We kind of like ghosted each other.

And then now you pop up and you're married to my teammate. That's when it becomes awkward because it's like, damn, we didn't even write. That's awkward. That's not the situation, I don't think. You don't know if they ended. We stand ended on some healthy shit. No, I'm talking about the ghosting. And then you popped up married with my team.

teammate. He just got traded there. They've been married for a while. They've two kids. There's been mad, Doc. Yeah, but what if her and Stan didn't end on some toxic shit? What if they still, you know? First of all, I don't think the Steinborners would ever bring someone on the roster that would do something like that. I think Stan is an upstanding citizen and it ended amicably and respectfully and they're probably still friends. Yeah. No, they're not still friends. They ain't cool. Yeah, if it ended weird, that would be awkward. And then my my toxic brain would be like, all right, why you still feel the way about him?

As the current husband? Like, if you hate him so much, you still disdain him? Yeah, I don't trust. If you hate your ex, I don't trust you. But to me, that's more self-sabotage. Like, I probably shouldn't feel that way because if he did something,

foul, like, and again, we're not talking about anything like sexual assaulted. Leave that out of here. Just foul like he was a piece of shit. Like, cheated, whatever he is. Yeah. If we've been married for this long, we got two kids,

and you're still fuming over your ex, in my locker room, my self-sabotaged brain is going to have a problem with my wife. Like, why are you still so, like, you've moved on. This is, of course you were mad at the time. I would never be, that makes total sense. But we've been together for this long. We got kids and shit, what the fuck? That is triggering you?

Would you hire a new engineer? And if he walked in here with one of your exes and I was his wife and he has two kids, would you still, like, give me the job? Give me the scenario. So if. So we need a new engineer. Okay. Right.

Like, damn, bro. Can we just use Pete, like, in the scenario? No. So, yeah. It's way more fun. No, but it's nobody you don't know. You don't know him. You don't know him.

You don't know of him. You know of him. You've seen some of his work. He's worked on all the shows. Like, nah, this dude is dope. Like, you know, and it's like, yo, we're going to interview him. He's coming in, come in, come in. Interview.

Great guy. We're like, yeah, man, nah. We're going to hire him. Like, then, like, fucking holiday time coming around. He walks in the door. He's married to a girl, like your ex, your ex-girlfriend. You dated. With two years.

And they're now like married with two kids. Does he still keep the job? 100%. I'd feel awkward and would want to know how to handle that. I ain't, I'm not jacking. You can't fire him. This also isn't one of the jobs where like the women hang out.

Like in baseball, she's going to be at the stadium. She'll be with the team like he's going to be there. The kids will be there. Yeah, but he doesn't have to see her. Which I'm saying that's worse. Like the kids and the women are involved. If he hired someone here, you're not going to see her ever.

She's not pulling up. There's going to be him. Why would I fire the engineer? I don't think you hire somebody that's married. Maul, you might be Tinder. You think you tender? You. Are you trying to go viral?

Let's do it. Me calling you Tinder is not going to go viral. You think I'm tender? Why? I'm asking a question. I'm asking him because he's saying like it wouldn't be awkward. And I'm on the side of I think it would be awkward. No, it would be awkward, but it wouldn't.

Huh? Of course it would be awkward. I would feel awkward because I would want to handle it to not make it awkward. Like, there might be awkward. married. I don't think there's no way to make it not awkward. It's not like they're just fucking. Why y'all just can't? Why nobody want to just agree with that? It's, it's always going to be awkward if a dude is married to your ex-girlfriend. No. And y'all work together. That's all. What are you talking about? I think you can get over that if you don't care about that woman.

I'm not saying you can't get over it. You can be over it. But it's always going to be an awkward. Hire him? Like, no, I'm just asking, what would you do? Like, would you hire him? Does he know that we used to date? Yeah Oh then I'd have that conversation with him to let him know Like go all good Just want to if there was any tension in the air Yeah please don't have that That's worse

I would think about this before I just got to ask this question That's worse I would ask Brandy our lawyer It's always going to be awkward Like we got to agree to that No matter what It's always going to be

If Nah I think if she doesn't even if she's not around a lot Anytime she does come in here For the engineer because they got to go somewhere like after he gets a work, go to dinner, she meets him at the studio. What if they're cool when they're friends? What if she's friends with her ex? Like they were who they were always friends.

With Rory? No, I'm talking about with this situation. But yeah, well, Rory, like she's cool. They were cool. New boyfriend come in, but y'all were already cool. I don't think that that's awkward. Like, we broke up, we ended it, whatever. You knew I got, like, she probably.

So you're saying if Stanton and Bellinger like cool? No, if she. If she's cool with Stanton. She was cool with Stanton. She was always cool with him. Like, they broke up. but they're still like cool she went got married he knows she's met like there's no way he this dude came onto the team he was like he's married to my ex no he knew they were married

he knew they're been together and knew the kids like they're probably cool that's so i'm like it's probably not a even a thing i think we're see like how you said earlier i'm on the opposite side of that you said if your ex is still like fuming and furious about his ex you like nah he must still got some feelings i'm the opposite if y'all still cool i feel like there's room for like flirtatious shit to happen okay well cool doesn't necessarily mean they fucking like hang out and go on friends dates or text like they're just like if they happen to run into each other it would be oh no that's that's just being grown that's a dope shit but to me that's cool with an ex like if you see them is love but not like your text buddies and like you guys

go out she still follows him uh you know that you're not jacking that that's lame I'm not I don't really care my ex that I'm cool I'm just gonna unfollow you what the fuck is the point why I'm doing that that's pressed bro if you unfurred following somebody if you if every time somebody but women do it though you see somebody yeah because they're bothered you see somebody like and they ignite a passion in you like you just so mad you so mad they still have control over your emotions I don't want nobody having control over my man emotions but me when you see her it should be like yo what up yo it's nice to see you good

that's it like or if y'all cool y'all cool if y'all have a friendship you have a friendship but somebody getting you so upset and you shaking with rage every time you see them or you triggered that you haven't healed from them and that I'm good on. Because I feel like you've probably been in the situation where a girl you've dated that ended okay. But she went on and got a boyfriend posted whatever. You end up unfollowed or blocked.

You're like, what the fuck? That's definitely happened to me. And you probably was like, that's weird. You've come on here and said that that was lame and weird. So yeah. No, I agree. I'm not disagreeing with you. So it works on both sides.

Like, if she still follows her exes, I don't. I think it's weirder if you have to go unfollow all of them when we get together. Yeah. Like, now it's like, why do you need to do that? It's temptation that crazy that you can't even see their photo? Yeah, I get it. Either way, it's going to be a little awkward at the stadium this coming season. What if the engineer told me that, you know, he had to go out after we record to see his wife and kids, whatever, pick them up?

And then I just all of a sudden was like, y'all, I want to do two episodes today. Can't answer that? Yeah. Tell me I mean, all right, cool. I make sure we leave here two hours after that. That's fucked up. And then text her like, damn, your man doesn't put you over his work. Yeah.

Now, Rory definitely do some shit like, you're telling me to be at the office early tomorrow. I wouldn't. Oh, my God. I can see it. It's in you. I wouldn't. It's not in me. It's not in me.

I actually wish I had more of that in me. I don't have that in me. To be like, yo, tell him myself. Yeah, I don't. You can't do it. No, I wish I had that type of shit. Yeah, that's nasty. You can't do it.

I'm just not that person. Julian, we got voicemails? Oh, yeah. You've got mail. Why are you smiling, man? I hate when you smile. Don't smile at me. I can't smile.

What the fuck? No, I just found out something really funny about Stanton. Oh. I think we're Eskimos. Oh, my God. Yeah. There's such a random person that he follows. It's very funny to me.

All right. Hey, guys, what's up? So I had a question about how to maneuver after this situation. So I became friends with this girl back in June and became like super close friends, you know, went over to each other's houses, a company, each other everywhere, gym, everything, the whole nine yards. And for my birthday, back in November, we were supposed to go see a concert. And it was supposed to be me for context. I'm 27. She's 33. And so it was her, me, her son, who's like 13, and my little sister who was 17.

Fast forward to that week of the concert, my birthday, she says, hey, can you take me to L.E.X after the concert. Keep in mind the concert was in Anaheim, so it's very different locations. I first said yes because she put me on the spot. Then I changed my mind and she got mad and she was like, well, can you at least take my son to the concert? And I said, I don't feel comfortable with that responsibility. And she got mad. So she was saddened with messed up. So unfollow me on social media and like isn't talking to me anymore. So I see her at church every now and then. I see her sisters at church. So like, what am I supposed to do? Yeah, I just, I just, I don't know what to do.

Like, I'm done with that friendship, but what do I do moving forward in terms of if I see her around or her family around? Thanks, guys, and thanks for everything. She unfollowed you because you couldn't, you didn't feel comfortable taking her son to the concert with you and your little sister. You said you didn't want to take her to LAX from Anaheim. Except that's deep. That's a push. Yeah, she finally figured out you're not a friend I think that's what that is

She was like you know you don't If you're not comfortable taking my son to the concert So I can just go straight to the airport Instead of it happening to go to the airport After the concert I would do that for a friend I would take their son For sure

Especially because you were going anyway And like the rest You're saying the responsibility he's 13 It ain't like he 18 or two why I've been quiet in thinking is we don't really know about this 13 year old son I'm on the side of the information we have I would happily

Yeah what if he's a YN I would take I would take What concert was it? See no we need more content That's why I was hesitating Because we don't know enough about this son yet Yeah Like this son would be fucking nuts

Taking a 13 year old rolling loud is crazy That's a lot of responsibility Is rolling loud? No I made that up All my friend's kids, luckily I know to be, they're crazy, but they're not nuts. I would take them to a concert, but I don't know. I mean, what if this kid is out of his fucking mind? What if he's a shooter?

What if he got a shiasty on? And she had her daughter too, right? She had a little sister. I'm sorry. Yeah. Like, what if he's been fucking rude before and like, he doesn't, she doesn't want her little sister around him? Well, they were already going to the concert altogether. So that's not true.

I think Moll is different if the mother is there to control her fucking son. Now I'm responsible. Why are you paying this kid like a terrorist? Because he was a terrorist. Yeah. Or he's like, what if he brings matches? It lights the whole place on fire. I didn't even give a peep at the Heartbreaker tour when my mom took me.

Heartbreakers. What were you going to do at the Moriah Carey show? Hope Jay-Z comes out to do his heartbreak a verse. Yeah, no, I think she just realized that, all right, we're not as cool as I thought we were. we were not as close as I thought we were. You don't want to take my son to the concert that you're already going to with your little sister. You don't want to, you reneged on taking me to the airport.

That's far, though. Yeah, but don't agree to it and then reneg. And then on top of that, after the reneg, because you were wrong. Renig. That's how people say it. That's why I don't. There's so many times I want to use that word

because it makes sense in context and it's not that other word, but I'm not. Renegg. It's not nigg. No, we say nigg. Yeah, we say nigg. I've heard everyone use... And we call people re-e-e- You're...

Yeah. What's that like when you... Is that blackface? There's blackface on blackface. It's like if I was a... You re... It's a black spade. Yeah.

Nice. Wait, so I'm confused on the airport. It's when you didn't have your book straight in this fucking ass, but... On the airport situation. It's a black spade. She said she was going to bring her and then said, psych. Or how did that? That's fucked up.

And again, I agree there's all for. fucked up. I just think there's more to this story than what we've got and she doesn't want to say that that kid is a fucking nightmare. Yeah. I think well's right though. She's just not willing to go to the extent of being the type of friend. This woman thought she was a type

of friend. Friends go out of her way for each other. Yeah. So she's not, she didn't want to go out of her way to go from Anahom to L.A.X. She didn't want to go out of her way and take the responsibility of chaperoning her son at the concert. Like, so the other girl probably felt like, all right, well, then

You're not really my friend. Why are we speaking to each other? Why are we hanging out? Why am I following you on social media? Like, we're not as cool as I thought we were. So, I mean, I can understand that. But I would like for her to call back and let us know who was performing. What concert was it?

Because if it was like Blink 182, then it's like, you know, you got to go. Can we Google, uh, who's performed? Well, if we don't know when this. It has a date on the voicemail, no? Well, the call versus when it happened. I don't have Rory wants all the past concerts in Anahom in the last two years. Pull it up now. Six days ago, I'm sure we can figure it up.

Who performed in Anahom in the last two years? But she asked, she wanted to know what to do to her with her now. Yeah, because she said they still go to the same church. They're still going to see each other in the community. Ask her why you do that and what you're feeling away about. No, she says she's done. She said she was done with the friendship. She doesn't want anything to do with the friendship.

So she's like, well, what do I do? Ignore her. the way she's ignoring you and blocked you. She's already said she don't want you in her life. Oh, the girl said that? Yeah. Well, she blocked her on everything, so I would assume you don't want me in your life.

Yeah. Yeah, but girls do that just out of like an impulse when they get upset. Like, you have a conversation an hour after that and they realize they were stripping. Yeah. You know, manipulation. I get it, though, man.

Listen, you know, it's over. Yeah. And now think of it this way. You don't have to have that. crazy 13-year-old child in your life. Fuck that kid. And you don't have to drive to LAX.

Ever. Ever. It's not that long with driving. It's like 40 minutes. It's the same way from driving, probably from West Hollywood.

Hell no. Depending on what time? It'll take you 45 minutes from West Hollywood. Oh, I agree. And I'm saying from Anahex that should take you two hours. I mean, if it's traffic,

yeah, but typically it's like under hour. That's deep. But it's 428 right now and Julian just looked it up and it said it's only 48 minutes in traffic. No, because right now Oh, it's 1.28 there.

Yeah, which is like the least traffic time. That shit is an hour and a half, depending on what time or flight was. Yeah, but after a concert late at night, it wouldn't have been that much traffic. Fair. I was catching a red eye. Fair. I mean, either way, set your boundaries with your friends early. I will do anything for my friends except help them move.

I would pay for the truck before I would help you fucking move. I'm just not, that's one of my things. I'm curious. Not helping you move. Do they have a friend group, or was this just like a one-off friend situation? I think it was just a one-off friend situation. Because then it's like who gets the group, who gets the mutuals, like where does the line get drawn? If it's a birthday party, if it's a dinner party, like what are you doing there?

Church. Breakfast after. Yeah. Which table, foldout table do you sit at? Yeah. Have y'all ever been through that where y'all had to give up a friend group because y'all stopped being cool with one of the friends in the friend group? Like a group chat? Or just like the whole circle of friends?

The whole crew. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. There's a lot of people. Not anything that I was like, oh, fuck. Not the whole group. Anything but the whole group. Like, I was okay with it?

Yeah, I stopped. I stopped talking to a bunch of people who's like, I'm just like, yeah, no, I'm cool. Oh, do you have another voice, ma'am? Yeah. There we go. My name is Mani. I'm from Connecticut. So I just had the weirdest experience, and I just want to know if this is some New York shit and also about cell phone etiquette.

So I randomly went to a wine liquor store the other day, and I just wanted to run in and grab a bottle of wine. And I was on the phone with my friend, whatever, that I'm on the phone with her, and I get my bottle wine. Somebody comes up, asks me if I need help. I say, no, thank you. I'm still shopping around. I go to go pay. A man comes from the back of the store to interrupt the call, to interrupt the transaction I'm having to go, oh, we ask that if you're going to interrupt. attracted our staff, you not be on the phone and pointed to a no cell phone thing.

I get it. I understand it was rude. But it's like if I was screaming on the phone, things like that, I was literally just on the phone with my friend. So long, very short, but not really. I was like, so you don't want to do the sale? And I just walked out. So because I'm petty, I left a review on Google Map.

And he sent this nasty ass review back on Google reviews. And he was like, so essentially said that I yelled at him and I didn't yell at him. and I didn't yell at him. So now I have... Well, you're yelling now. Number one, how should I plan my vengeance against this store? Number two, what is cell phone etiquette in 2024? And everybody's on the phone.

And number three, should I let it go? And the name of the place is free range, wine and spirits on Atlanta Avenue. Look them up. He's an asshole. He's an asshole. So this was all about to kill a small business and use our platform to do it. After you yelled at him in his face when you were on the phone. She definitely yelled at him.

trying to kill the mom and pop small business. P's just looking at it right now. All right, while you're looking that up, I guess if it's on Atlantic, then... I hear it is. Can you read it? My eyes are too bad. Yeah, I was on the phone,

this is from a week ago. I was on the phone and talking to a person I was buying wine for, as of not a big wine drinker. I was attempting to buy a bottle of wine and I was debating getting some nips for myself at the register. Before I could order, a man came from the back of the store to point it to the no phone sign

and asked me to get off the phone. Since when can you not be on the phone? Since when can you not be on the phone? on your phone in a wine store. That's fucking wild. What the fuck is that? I think everybody's kind of like, we reading this shit, acting like this is normal.

I've never even heard of this before. Say, what is that? You said, I don't know how my being on the phone impacted my ability to pay. So I left. Edit. Oh, let's see. Read the response first.

Here's a response. Wait, what was that edit up there though? Well, you got to. Because shit, that comes after this. Gotcha. Okay. Who is this the response? This is from the owner of the store.

God damn. Nice try, Madison. You had already solicit. lectures your wine when you came to the counter. So at this point, your only reason to be on the phone was that you felt like it and couldn't be bothered to respect the humans in front of you. This is stupid. Go fuck yourself. I calmly pointed at our signs, I calmly pointed out our signs asking you to not be on the phone at the counter and said that if you'd like to interact with us, we'd appreciate it if you'd get off the phone. At this, you immediately yelled at me and huffed out.

Was our request really that hard for you? I'm sorry that you don't have enough respect for our little shop to follow posts of signs, but it's on you if you really don't understand how rooted it is to be on the phone in the face of a retail worker. Oh my God. We require a minimum level of common courtesy to shop here. And you felt the most basic test. Jesus Christ.

We were glad to see you leave and laughed about it afterwards. If you like to shop here in the future, you owe an apology to our team. But given your tangent at being addressed calmly and respectfully, we don't expect to see you again, which certainly works for us good ridden's Jack. Jack. This is for her ass. This sounds like one, one more plus four? wine, like organic wine, hybrid wine stores in Brooklyn.

Jack out. I can already see the window looking at this. This is definitely a vegan wine store for sure. So then she read an edit replying to his reply. Edit for reaction below was expecting a sassy response given the history of reactions to other reviews. Ooh, smoked. Yeah. No one yelled at you.

I said, oh, so you can't do the sale and walked out. I'm curious why everyone else got sassy, Woody reply and I got a lie. Hmm. Hmm. They should fight. Now, listen, Jack did have a great response, but let's go to the root of this entire thing. If I'm on the fucking phone and I'm not like being obnoxious or screaming, don't tell me to get over. I've never heard about this before.

Okay. Look, there seems to be some evidence that supports our caller with some negative review. There's something very wrong with these guys who scroll up. Well, here's another one. Annoying workers, very unpleasant experience. Jack just sounds like an asshole. Jack, so this woman wanted cold perseco and they said, what's wrong? Just buy this shit.

and put it in the fridge. That's sick. You don't have a fridge? I mean, I get like, I get stores having like boundaries. Not happy with the vibe of this place. Owners, knowledgeable staff are like unhappy drones. I want to go.

Special occasion bottles of wine to be bought here, but it's not worth a rude custom service. You have to endure it to get them. Buying alcohol is supposed to be a fun and light experience will never be. Read the response from the owner. Here's Jack again, clapping back. It was the height of the pandemic.

I wonder why everybody wasn't super happy all the time. A real mystery. Thank you for, thanks for your passion. Jack. I can understand it. I know we're on everyone else's side, but Jack's clapbacks is all right.

Where's the side? I'm not even mad at Jack, bro. It's on Atlantic in Brooklyn. Free wine. We should go. Free range and wine spirits. Let's go and ask for Jack. Free range.

Tell them madison, but we got to walk in there with the old school cell phones. The bridge is right. Can you hear me now? Can you hear me? Yeah, who is Jack? Digggo Jack, that's definitely Jack. That's definitely Jack.

100% Jack. 100% Jack. I don't know if it's illegal that we're doing this, but that's Jack for sure. That is one million. Oh, look at that smug fucking face. Oh, that's definitely him. Oh, he's a fucking asshole. That's Jack.

He has diesel sneakers on. Yeah. But what I will. A shirt to a band he doesn't listen to. It just looks vintage. What I will say is this. A nice election. If I own a business, my rules for my business are my

business, you are free to not shop. But if I have a sign up that says no cell phones, because I want you to pay attention to my work, because me personally, I don't disagree with him that is rude to be on the phone when you're talking to retail workers. I do think that that's rude. I get it that we do it all the time, but I'm not mad at somebody for asking that you don't do that. In situations, like if you're shopping for clothes and you need to tell them certain sizes or have a conversation, I agree with you. You should have some respect. But if I found a bottle I want and I'm at the register, if I put a bottle down, scan it. Scan it. Here's my card. We don't need to speak.

I'm not going to hang up just for you to scan this bottle and then call my person back to finish our conversation. You don't even have to hang up. You could just say, hold on and put the phone in your pocket and pay. AirPods. Out of respect. Like when I get in the elevator, I will make sure I'm not on the phone. That annoys me too. But if you're paying, it's not like she was on the phone and was asking him, is this from New Zealand?

What year is this? Like being that annoying customer that needs so much help, but also having another conversation? Yeah. What are we doing here? Yeah. If you got a bottle, you put it down and give your car. What do we need to speak for? Listen, man, looking at these reviews,

it's, it's Jack. It's Jack. It's Jack. Everybody's, this place is so rude. They have a 4.1. That's not awful. But like every single one star and every single complaint has to do with them being condescending

or rude to the customers. Also, the only happy people on earth during the pandemic were liquor store owners because they were making more money than anyone. Don't tell me you were unpleasant, Jack. Right, probably still eating off 20. She said stopped in about 15 minutes ago inquiring about a bottle. The guy behind the counter legit acted like I was bothering him.

Blue a $200 purchase looking at some prior reviews. Apparently, I'm not the only one who had this issue. He goes, this is Jack? Yeah, he claps back. Harold. Harold. Just as the website says, that item is out of stock. We couldn't have possibly sold your bottle we didn't have.

Further, our in-store system is separate from the website, which is why you were told that what it says about Stock Jr. on the website is accurate, which it is. showing out of stock. I'm sorry for the miscommunication, but if you prefer to hear about rare whiskeys when they arrive and have access to our rarest bottles, which are not on the website, rather than hate us forever, please feel free to sign up for our email news. So you can talk to me all the time. Jack, it's over. And Jack sounds like a hypocrite because he wanted respect from the woman on her cell phone, but it sounds like he's an asshole to every customer. It's not like he's

some go lucky, happy guy that's like, oh, you know, we want to create a great environment. So get off your phone. We love the community. Somebody said, avoid this place. Zero customer service will never buy there. I just put my foot down recently at a coffee spot by Kia. My favorite, my favorite coffee, the first coffee I ever had. The owner is the only guy that works there. He's, it's like an inconvenience every time I come in there. There's no one in there. He treats me like an asshole. Horrible service. Annoying and rude staff. Jack replies, we agree. You were annoying and rude. Happy holidays. I don't know. I'm kind of fucking with Jack. Oh, I'm fucking with Jack. He's running an awful We gotta go fuck with Jack.

We gotta get the old cell phones. Now, we gotta run up on him for our Patreon subscriber. Yeah, but I'm just saying we gotta going in and just, you know, be rude and then buy bottles. All right, so she asked for advice on how to spite this spot. Oh, what if it's one of those new spots where you're supposed to be rude on purpose? Like, oh.

No, they're not selling oxtails. This guy's just a smug piece of shit. Yeah, like, you know, when they be like come in and they just like the way there's a rude to? Like, what the hell do you want? Eat it, bitch. Yeah, like, like, Jack doesn't seem like that type of guy. I'm just saying, what if that's the type of spot he's running, you know? She was asking what she should do to spite the spot. Atlantic is, that would be a public sidewalk, correct?

Don't rock through that window. Piss or shit on the sidewalk. She could just let it go. No, God, no. Never let it go. This is going to be a life-long grudge. I found his LinkedIn. Oh, my God.

Jack is the ops. It's him. It's definitely him. That's like the same shirt. He posed for that fucking pick on Google images. Yeah, that's the odds. Matt, we're going to ride for you. I think she should set up a fold-up table in front of that spot because it's Atlantic Avenue, it's public sidewalk, and take all her meetings and work from home on her cell phone in front of that spot.

Open up a call center outside there. Make a bottle start curating your own bottles of wine and then sell them outside his store. Do free wine tastings and then sell the bottles outside his door, undercut his prices. Yeah, his spot is called free range wine. You could just open a- Just say free wine. Fine. Right in front of it. There's got to be a streaming farm version

of calling one number. Just do that to their landline. We should call Jack has to be on the phone. We should call Jack. I'll call them. Let's see if Jack answers. Call him right now. Fuck Jack.

Can you plug a video? Do you allow cell phones? That's my one rule. When it comes to buying wine, I have to be able to be on my phone. I'm literally going to say, that's exactly. I got this.

This is going to be great. Do you have White Ziffendell and can I be on my phone? Free range. Hi, I just have a quick question. Is this Jack? This is Derek. Oh, is Jack available by chance?

No, not at the moment. Oh, he's not. Okay. Is he on his phone? If I, yeah, I just, I might come in later, but it might be in the middle of a call. Like, I work late sometimes. I'm planning on coming in after work. Is it a problem if I, like, shop around and just, like, happen to be on my phone while I'm in the store?

Oh. Derek, was that such a bad, like, I'm just curious. Is this like, did something bad happen? And that's why I'm asking because I know you have signs involved. Signs involved. We're big, big newsletter guys. If I go in, if I go in, know exactly the bottle I want. Grab it.

Run to the register. Order ahead. Put you in a pickle. You guys are good. Can I be on a Zoom call if I do it that way, though? Okay. But, yeah, then they might want me on camera too. Can I take my Skype call?

All right. Well, thank you. What's your Wi-Fi so I can bring my laptop? Do you guys have a hot spot? Do you have a hot spot? Derek, what are some of your favorite things since that's not your favorite thing? We wanted to call and give Jack a hard time, Derek.

Sorry, Derek. No, you're great. We just haven't heard. You're a new character in this development. We've only heard about Jack. I'll call back later. You've been great. Jack, on the other hand, we'll get to him later.

We love his business plan. We love you, though. Appreciate you. Thank you. Luigi says hello. All right, bye, have a good one. Jack is the next, the next seat. He's the next CEO to go.

This is awesome. Luigi says hello. Because there's something very similar about denying health coverage and denying cell phone use. That's like the least favorite thing you could do in here. That is crazy. Yo, but he was so sweet. He said that's kind of like on our list of not to do. It's like the whole thing.

Isn't that kind of like the job when it comes to retail though? You just, that's the gig. You have to deal with people. It's customer service. Like people are not always going to be kind. Fuck Jack. He said, yo, I got to take my call. So, you know, why don't you just order a.

head. Nah, he smoked the company service. He smoked the... We'll have it ready for you. Just pay and go. Damn. That is funny that he's stuck with that.

But what's the difference between that? We saw how big that wine shop is. It's not that big. If I just grab the bottle on the phone and do the same thing, what's the difference?

It's no difference. That's how I'm saying. Like, what the fuck? That sounded like Derek thinks that everyone's bullshit to. Can we find the no cell phone sign? If I scan around, let's see if we could find it.

She posted it, right? I don't think so. It might be by the reds. I feel like in one of those reviews it was there. Wait, how is Jack is everywhere, man He's like the butler

And Mr. Deeds How did he jump? He just appears in every place How is he right there now? He's moving to camera He's setting up like, yeah Yeah, he literally sat there's up by himself. No, that's definitely Derek behind the lens.

Derek. That's hilarious. This is all. This may have been. It might be outside on like a little chalkboard thing like in front of the store. That is fucking hilarious. Let's go outside here.

Yeah, right there. Oh, what's that right there? What does that sign say? And first of all, mall was right, like, with it being vegan wine, but not so. I know free-range chicken, I've never heard a free-range wine.

Yeah, you're just like, are the grapes, the grapes are not in containers? Yeah, the soil is not like, they don't use, like, animals to, you know, fertilize the soil.

Oh, I thought free-range chicken meant they had space and weren't like shitting on top of each other. They could run on the range before they were slaughtered. The grapes? Yeah, he's have a little more room to wiggle. So is that what it means with the grapes?

Huh. The bottom's like the street signs. You know, it's y'all really looking for this no cell phone sign. If we can't find it, neither could our caller, man. Yeah, we're on her side. Hey, Maddie, we're going to ride for you. Don't trip. That shit is hilarious.

Yeah, it's on sight with Jack. Oh, yeah. Just the eyebrow raise. What is that sticker? He put a produce sticker on his Apple monitor. He's quirky. Yeah, no, Jack out did himself. This could have been a great place.

Yeah, it could have. You know, it could have Only if we can use our phones, Jack. There's got to be some baggage. I wish Jack answered not Derek. There's got to be a reason. I'm down to call him back. Did Jack's ex walk in on the phone with her new dude?

There's got to be a reason. You just don't do that. Maybe he was afraid to get, I don't know, maybe it's a, I'm afraid to get robbed thing. What? Like you walking in on the phone causing a distraction. Like, I don't know. It's distracting.

He might be autistic. Homie said that's our least favorite thing. Because that's overstimulating. Me being on my phone? Yes. If I'm going to ask you for your ID and you're on the phone talking to somebody and there's music in the store playing, that is an autistic person's nightmare. I will turn the music off. For your phone call?

Yeah. No, you can get the fuck out. No, you're right. Okay, but what would be the difference if they were talking to you while asking for ID? That's because they are, that's completely different. If you're talking to me, we're involved in one conversation. If I ask you for your ID. We're not in a conversation.

You put a bottle down. and we're going to do a currency exchange. No, you ask for ID. I'm assuming. I know he asked for ID. Oh, for sure. There's no way Jack's not asked for ID. Yeah, he has an entire lockbox of fake IDs that he submits to the post office every year.

Confiscating fake ID. 100%. He locks the door and calls the cops if you have a fake ID. I know that face. That face right there? He can't wait to lock that door how the cops come get you with a fake ID. 100%. And even offers to go down to the station if they need any more home.

I'll give a report. I'll give a report, sir. You need me to shut the shop. and follow you, I'll go. Yeah, the cops are annoyed at this point, the amount of times he calls. Yeah, Jack. Count your days.

Yeah, we don't like you. Oh, man. Well, Maddie, thank you for that. We will be paying Jack a visit on your behalf. Slam some bottles of White Ziffendale on the floor. We got to DM Maddie, let her know the time, too. Yeah. She got to roll with.

Absolutely. All right. What we got coming on, holidays? Oh, no. We got one more episode before the holiday, right? Yeah, we got one more. Oh, shit. I'm tripping.

You want to make fun of me? Did you guys see this yet? I saw you post it on Twitter. Maul, I'm way more curious about what you think. I didn't see the way. I'm looking. Okay, con air, man, titanium cut blaze. You're not even cutting.

Yeah, the whole thing I'm cutting. That was a nasty smile. Yeah, that was kind of gross. Oh, oh, God. Oh, my God. Wait. All right. All right.

This has been another episode, man. You came in here with your beard cut and everything. You ain't so as you fucking waxed your chest. I didn't wax it. I didn't wax it. It's a part of the shoe. Well, congrats on your con air,

commercial. You know what's funny? I'm sure he feels violated because they made him do his pubs, but it didn't make the cut. So now he's wondering why he had to do that. Cushy wall. That's for the director's personal fash.

In the show, his favorite shot was the... It's the motorcycle. That one. Yeah. The food man chew. Oof. This is gross.

What made you laugh that way? Like, A lot of inappropriate comments off camera. Thankfully, a lot of these aren't audio or else they probably wouldn't be. How much did they pay you for this? You're going to tell me? Not on camera. No,

I'll tell you that. But I'm on Amazon. If you guys want a tremor, dope. That's me. Yeah. No, I got no points.

No points. It's not like a modeling job. It's not like a sponsorship. If you sign up to be an Amazon associate and put the link in your bio, then people would click on your name and click it and you would get paid. Oh, I have one of those. I should do that.

Instead of just being a piece of meat for the director. Right. Have some fucking respect for yourself, Julian. Piece of meat. Ask for equity in all of razors moving forward because you cut your beard. But this was fun. We will see you guys soon. Had a great time.

Fuck Jack. We'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Happy holiday. No. A win is a win.

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