New Rory & MAL - Episode 336 | LiAngelo Ball Saves Def Jam

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

Make sure you guys subscribe to the patreon to hear us attempt to out rizz each other. Mal is on the last day of his juice cleanse, so he’s been hungry and on X Spaces antagonizing the listeners (2:51). Speaking of antagonizing, Cam’ron is back from hiatus, and goes off on Jim Jones (21:16). Mal and Rory are torn on who is right in this beef. Li’Angelo Ball is proving Mal wrong! Def Jam offered him a multi million dollar deal just off one single, yet Mal is still standing on him ruining music (43:05). Redman went celibate for 2.5 years, and we talk about using sexual energy to channel into other avenues (1:01:14). Rumors are swirling about the new Clipse album, and we put our two cents in on a possible Kendrick and Jay Z feature (1:16:50). Fivio is using the streamers for clout now, and not the other way around as he mentions Kai Cenat and Plaqueboi Max in his new single (1:32:55). Mal doesnt think it’ll work,  but we’ll see. We have voicemails, but trigger warning to the young man who called in about his viral video - Mal has nothing nice to say (1:42:55).This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try atbetterhelp.com/rorymal and get on your way to being your best self.https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/RORYMALFor MORE Rory & Mal, make sure you subscribe to our Patreon community, for exclusive episodes, first access to tickets and merch sales, private live chats with the team, + more! https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmalFollow Rory: @ThisIsRoryFollow MAL: @MAL_ByTheWayFollow Demaris on YT: https://www.youtube.com/@DemarisG To watch the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALYouTube Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMAL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's how you're feeling today? Spohatat-O-U-I-M-E. That just don't sound right. No, I can be hating. I could be hating. Hold on now. Let me see. Hold on.

Hold on, hold on. Let's see, baby. I think this is funny because. we had Mall try to spell something the other day, which he failed miserably. Now he's coming out of confident. I didn't know what y'all was asking me to spell. I didn't know what child was asking me to spell. We went through that.

She didn't know what she was about to say. All right, baby, D. One more time. Go through it. You said Ratatouie? Yes. R-A-T-A-T-O-U-I-L-E. I told you I'm really good at spelling.

I didn't make that up. See, I don't even like this already because we're doing a spelling bee. I've never seen it actually. We're doing a spelling beat on Patreon. And look at you guys already training. I was just testing. I was just, you know what I was just, you know me? Just, you know, me just testing out.

We're just trying to catch you off guard a little bit. That's all. This is God giving. What's God giving? All I got to do is just show up. You're not, you not knowing how to spell? That is God given. God has never given me anything fast.

A boob you ain't lived. That is God given. You're not knowing how to spell. 100% is definitely a God given thing. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I cannot wait this week that we are going to do that on Patreon. Yes.

Finally a spelling bee. Yes. If you have any words that you have any words that you, you would like to see one of us flunder and plunder over, please send them to Peach, um, on Twitter. P-H-T, right? Yeah, at P-H-T, P-E-J-E-T on Twitter. Or, um...

Let's see what that, uh, Rochester school system did for you. Who was not from Rochester? Yo, you really violate, I mean. Syracuse. Yeah, stop volley. I thought you just went to Syracuse University. Nah, you from West Plains. How's that?

I'm from, I'm from, like, Tim. You know, it's funny. There's no such thing as West Plains. Oh, yeah. I made that up. I'm 10 minutes. White Plains, I meant. Calling White Plains, West Plains.

Oh, man. Day five of my juice cleanse. Oh, and you're not even moody. No, man. I'm shocked. I thought you come in here like you're on your period. I didn't know. If I did more than five, it would be a moody thing. I did 14 days once, but I wasn't ready for that.

So I did a little five day to start the year. Last time you did it, you came in like a chick with a heavy flow. I'm glad that you're feeling better. Yeah, no, I feel great. Very irritable, moody. I feel great, man. Maybe a little delusional, though, off you. Like, when you did the juice cleanse, our first year doing this podcast when we were at the

serious office, like, you, you were like, that was like your Jordan Flu game. Like, you were really just saying anything at that point. I really think you were, like, delusionally hungry. What year was that? That was going into 2022. Because you do it at the start of the year, right? Yeah, I was going into 2020. Yeah.

Okay. All right. Well, I mean, I'm proud of you. Usually I'm very confident into our Patreon challenges. Delusionally confident because I've always. end up losing whatever competition we do. At least I go in there with my chin, you know, hide with just awful and arrogant.

Just a bad perception of myself. A lot of ego. Wrong and strong. Yeah. And then I just fail miserably. I am coming into the spelling bee extremely humble. Yeah. You just know.

It's over. That's good though. It's good when you know your weaknesses. But when you're already solidified because you won the Riz Napkin challenge. Oh, please. You didn't win the, you sent the napkin to pass. You went against the whole premise of what we were doing.

He was like writing a rap. Yeah. It was supposed to be a poem. Is rap not rhythm and poetry? I thought it was an acronym. It is, but it's not. This shit ain't even really have rhythm. R&B is rhythm and blues.

What kind of napkin is? You sent to a paper towel? That was like you did. They don't have paper towels at the bar. There's just, you know, the cute little napkins that you just. Let the world know my pen works. If you guys, if you guys can fit your little shit on like a little bar napkin is cool. Yeah.

Some of us need a whole scroll. Peege might have smoked this, though. He might have got right to it. For those that don't know, the episode came out today. Patreon.com forward slash new Roy and Mall. We did a Riz poem challenge. And I felt like Pige thought I was the winner because he picked me for the clip, right? That's how that went. It wasn't because I was the worst.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would get more engagement and laughed at the most, right? Yeah. Yo, can I play Pige's, please? Can I play Pige's poem? All right. You got to sign up for Patreon for, but can I play Pige's? Yes.

We could give them a teaser for Patreon. I don't matter that. Okay. Because Pete kind of went crazy. Peach won, I feel like. Pete said, why you sitting alone, I haven't a clue. That peanut butter skin looks amazing on you. I noticed across the room, you chunky, I'm smooth.

I want the whole room smelling funky when I'm pleased. It's right. All right, yes, we were all battling for second place. Yeah, yeah. No, Pete's got right to it. And I can see the girl laughing if she reads that, like, it's like, okay, he's crazy, but it's funny. Nah, I want the whole room funky when I'm through with you. I'm calling the cops.

Yeah, I'm going to get right to it. You know what that means. We're about to go in there and start humping. We fucking humping. When the room starts sticking, that means we're in there wrestling. How many positions you got to do for the room to start stinking? I just love that the funky, fat girl at the bar, P's did not have a clue why she was alone.

Nah. He hadn't a clue. Why is that junkie girl? I haven't a clue. That was some Shakespeare shit right there. I haven't a clue. Oh, man. He's the Macbeth of Williams,

absolutely. Well, yes, please subscribe to Patreon. That was a very, very fun, fun experiment. Spelling be next. Spelling be up next. I can't wait. It's just going to be like road rules challenges all on Patreon for the rest of the year.

That's it. That's kind of the plan, I feel like. I'm down for it. Until we get as close to what Cam Newton did. I know this isn't on our list. Did anyone see what Cam Newton did? That's where we're going to eventually have to get by August on Patreon. What did he do?

Cam Newton jumped from a moving boat onto a moving helicopter that was above the boat and picked himself up. This wasn't in a movie. This was on like some reality show. Wait, he jumped from. It was like some Road Rules Challenge shit. He jumped from a moving boat. Yes. And grabbed onto a helicopter and pulled herself up into the helicopter?

Yes. Well, Cam Newton is one of the greatest athletes. Greatest athletes that's ever existed. So why would- I don't care how good of an athlete you are. This is insane. Look at Pige up there. Look at Pige up there.

This is not normal, bro. Go, Cam. I feel like there's Navy SEALs that can't do this. Yeah, no. That's insane. Yeah, you got to be strong as a motherfucker to do that. And then all his teammates just looking. Look at Pilate just confused.

You fight, is he going to pull itself up? Yes. Yeah, because you're fighting against the wind. You're fighting against like, then you pull your body weight up like that. Like, that's, and that's tough. That had to be scripted because none of those other people can do that. None of those other people who are doing that. What you think?

Cam Noon was fishing. and they just a chopper? He's in a show. I think they script. They had to have scripted that part because there's nobody else on that show that can do that.

Well, it's a challenge. They get a chance to do it, but he's probably the only one that could. I mean, he's an amazing athlete. We know that. So that's tough. You don't think the producers were like, let's give this one to Kyle Pratt?

No. Yeah, I'm willing to guess Kyle couldn't complete that show. Because I couldn't do it either. Yeah, no. Kayla's on there too. Are your friend Kayla's on there? Oh, this is the show she's on.

See, I only saw that clip. Kayla might be able to do that. That's tough. She got reach. Yeah, but that's to pull your body weight up. And then the wind, the helicopter's moving, the wind blowing. I think Cam Noon might be the only human on Earth thing. Shout out to Cam No.

You only see the tear in his eye. Who produced this? He had the tear running through his eye. I don't know. I'm willing to bet Joe Rogan is somewhere behind this, though. I feel like all of these shows. I was going to go with Nick Leshay. Joe Roggan?

This is not. No, that ain't Nick. No, they're not. Nick Will. Now, if they was like. No, he was with love. Now he's doing extreme. No.

If they had to go on a date after, then Nicolet Shee for sure. It was a blind date in the helicopter. You don't know what she looks like. Yeah, but you got to climb yourself, pull yourself up in there and then you see the date. And if you don't marry her, you got to jump out the helicopter.

And Jazzy is sitting in the producer room watching the whole thing, watching the whole date. Now, that's a Nick Lachet show. Yeah, that's Nick Lachet. But this looks like Rogan. Rogan's hosted things like this. Like, this is Joe Rogan's type of bag.

Yeah, there's a little feel factor. Fear factor. I can't speak today. Fear factor. Why did they cancel that show, man? I mean, he's podcasting now. But there was like a 10-year gap between him podcasting and Fear Factor. But yeah, Bill.

I felt like that would have lasted. No, definitely. Like, that's one of those. But people do Fear Factor now on their social media. People do shit every day. They do their own challenges. Like, I feel like they should do a Fear Factor reboot with Brendan Shob as the host. Why?

The internet will get that joke. The show is called. The most hated human being on the internet that Joe Rogan put on. I think he should take over it. This show is called special. that. Special forces world's toughest test. Special forces.

Okay. Oh, see, I was spot on that. I thought only Navy SEALs could do that. I see, in that type of compromising situation, I don't know if I'd have the will to live in that scenario if I was a frog man. At this point, like, do you know what? Just tell my family, I love him. Here's the note that I keep in my vest. Yeah. I'm not making it.

If I had the dude dad to get away from Charlie, I'll just be a POW. Like, fuck it. I'm not making it into the helicopter. Like, fucking, you got got me. You would try, though. Oh, I got to try, but that's, that is tough. Yeah. This is pure ignorance, because I'm sure someone could debunk my theory.

Why on Earth, you know the Coast Guard guys that jump into the water during the hurricanes? Yeah. Which are incredible. Those guys are insane. They haven't come up with any invent. Like, we're going, we have spaceships that with Bluetooth are coming back down and, like, putting themselves back in Elon Musk's house. We can't get a better cord for the Coast Guard. every time I see a hurricane the cord breaks they're flipping around we just can't get a better system to

save people in the perfect storm no I think that was you told my shit that really happens though that's the entire uh what's the guy that did punked ashton kutcher the entire ashton kutcher movie where he was saving people in Alaska the core didn't work once not in one scene about one scene was it successful because if it was successful you wouldn't have a movie in the perfect storm every single time they go out every single movie hey great movie Oh, classic. Classic movie. Super classic.

Classic. I still think Mark Wahlberg's out there Trent and Water. I still have faith. He's done. He's in green and pastures right now. It's over with it. This is why certain jobs,

pussies like me can't be on it. If fucking Oceans 11 came out of that cockpit and was like, yo, we got all this fish, but we got to go through three hurricanes to get it back. I'm like, bro, let's eat the fish and chill. There's no fucking way.

I'm going back. I get it. It was a lot of money. They all needed the money. Nah, let's go find another place to sell this shit. We could go the other way. I'm on a crazy like-sell it in Connecticut. binge watch of like Deadliest Catch.

I've been binge-watching Deadliest Catch for like a week, like two weeks. That haunted my childhood. My dad used to put it on and just watch it constantly. Delia's Catch? Yep. That's that shit right there. Love Delia's Catch. Have you guys gotten into any of like the North Sea algorithms yet on your Instagram?

It has the same song every time that they play, but it just, that's a hit. why Metro Boomin has not sampled the North Sea song is beyond me. Future in the weekend would smoke that. You guys can have that one for free. I'm already scared of the ocean, but watching that, petrified of the ocean. I'm good. Those guys that go on like the oil rigs that are out in the middle of the North Sea, insane.

Where they do the welding underwater, make 50K a month, and I think they're underpaid. They are underpaid. Them and a dude that goes to the top of the fucking, the tower, change that light bulb like once every six months. I don't know how much he makes underpaid. To change the light bulb. To change the light bulb on the top of that fucking... Also, I think it's funny that I have light bulbs in my house that could last for five years

with that one. Every six months. Every six months, change it. And he's underpaid. I don't know how much he makes, but they need to pay him triple. Rory, it says they typically only make $90,000 a year. I was looking at something on IG that, of course, had to be real. Because it's on an Instagram page that wasn't verified. The average was 50K a month, but they only work like two or three months out the year.

So maybe it is 90K a year and work two months type thing. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how much welding. I'm not going to pretend like I know what welding you need to do underwater for the oil rigs. That's another thing, though. I'm not welding underwater just underpaid. When you got to do that, like you got to go under the water to weld metal.

I don't know how much they're paying you, sir, but you need triple. It's all not real. Lord Jumar told me. But we'll get to that later. Atlanta got a snowstorm, which is always fun for me. I sit at the edge of my seat anytime Atlanta gets it dusting. Because boy, does that city melt the fuck down. I feel like this time at least they were sort of prepared.

The funniest thing I saw with Atlanta was, I think you were the one that even sent me the video. They were putting salt. They had the salt truck in front of the plow truck. So they were putting salt down. and then the guy behind him was plowing the street. That would see, that would have sent me into a murderous rage. It's always funny to me that certain cities. The salt truck goes behind.

Yeah, certain cities really don't know how to operate in snow. Like, they really don't. I just love Atlanta because, you know, they get three inches of snow and the entire city is to shut down. No one knows how to drive in the snow. Their cars aren't really prepared. They don't have the tires and stuff. And also, like, to even shoot cities like in North Carolina and Atlanta that get snow,

I'd be mad if you put a whole bunch of my tax dollars into some shit that happens once every three years. Like everyone just stay your ass in the house for one day till it melts. Yeah. No, I'm cool. Make sure the ambulance is get everywhere and... Yeah, but three inches of snow.

A couple cars drop down the street. That shit is gone. Three inches of snow? It does. Rush out with traffic. That shit, the streets is going to be clean. That shit is done. It's just the safety hazard because they don't,

they get scared. And a scared driver is the worst kind of driver. Especially in the snow. Pumping that brake, skidding everywhere. No, thanks. It's crazy how Atlanta, Virginia, they seem like they all have more snow than us this year already. Well, you know, global warming. Machines.

I get it. Joe Biden is actually controlling the weather machine. I jumped into Twitter Spaces last night. Yeah. Spoke to the people from our community. Shout out to my ops. I call them my ops, but it's all love. Shout out to them.

I'm glad you got squashed it. Yeah, yeah. No, that's all love, man. How did that go? I wasn't on it, but how was it? It was cool. You know, just kicking it. shit, man. I had told Nini had been DMing me for a few months trying to give me to do it.

And I was like, no, I'm going to definitely do it. And then I just felt like I was like, they probably felt like I'm not going to do it. I was like, so I found some time to just. You finally met your fee? No, no, I just found some. I was like, you know what? Let's, let's do it this Sunday. We did it last night. I was in there a lot longer than I expected to be. But it was a cool conversation. They gave me some shit at first, but it was cool. What was the on your rider or questions you couldn't be asked? Like, now I'm not answering it. No, no, no. Wait, you could do that? No, I just said, I just said, you know, I didn't want to talk about Drake Kendrick.

I'm tired of talking about that. And I didn't want to talk about Trump because we already did what we had to do. So I'll tell you this. I was doing dinner bath time, but I had put my phone as a listener in the community and just left it during that. When I came back and put my AirPods in, at the exact moment, Maul was saying that him and I would double team Martha Stewart for $1.5 million. dollars. No.

Which I, in fact, just, I just sent the 100 mojee because I, like, I agreed. No. I didn't know the context of anything. I was just like, yeah, no, that's true. So we had talked about the whole, you know, the Joy Taylor Fox Sports and the hairdresser things. Like, if somebody offers you 1.5. And, you know, a couple girls in their cabaret were, they was like, man, I'm taking

that 1.5. And then some was like, nah, I don't know. Then they, of course, turned it on me. And it was like, so if Martha Stewart wanted you and Rory to Eiffel tower her would y'all do it i was like me and rory would be in martha stew like kidding play a house party like we would be dancing inside that shit like are you kidding me and i and i would feel what are we talking about i'd feel bad because martha overpaid what if your balls had to knock together at one point see now you see now you see how baby d got to turn it to something else that's something else

now you turn it no because because it was a disgusting situation for home girl i wanted to be a disgusted situation for you if she wanted dp she wanted one in the one in the rum and one in the bum would you balls knocking would you still take it for 1.5? Nah, not balls knocking. I'm not doing no ball knocking. We're not doing that. Only thing that's knocking is we knock on the door. We ain't doing no ball knocking.

Like, no. Wait, would only mean Martha and Mal now? I don't know what he's about to say, but I'm telling you from all, I'm not doing that. I don't know. I don't know where he's at in his life and what he's doing for 1.5. I'm not ball knocking with nobody. Tax free 1.5? I don't know, man.

Nah, man. Not happening. Because that's something else now. Now we gave for $1.5 million. ball knocking I'm not fucking you for 1.5 million you can't no part of your body can touch me

if I have a tower we go like this yeah y'all hand we have to make the tower yeah you hold it no that's a London bridge whatever that shit is it's the iPhone's the iPhone okay we gotta do this

yeah one hand and then you in the front they did that marching into Paris too um it was a little bit the angle on the hand was different the angle in the hand was different

It was a different angle. They saved Paris. It is not under German control. I get it. I understand. It was a rough time, but France prevails. But yes, we would have to, I'm not saying we'd have to lock fingers, but yeah, we'd have to, for the motion. Yeah, but we have to fulfill our contract.

But what baby D trying to, she's trying to throw homosexual activities into the pot. We ain't trying to do that with joy and the hairdresser. We ain't, we ain't throw gay shit into the pot. No, but it's about not being a, the whole thing is would you put somebody in a, It's about being harassed at work. Would you fuck somebody you're not attracted to? Yeah. Do something that you really don't want to do.

So why are you turned it into something else just now with ball knocking? Because that's something that you, that's not gay, but it's something you don't really want to do. I mean, a lot of us do things that we don't want to do for money. So I'm just letting you, I'm, why are you tying that to ball knocking? He want to do it. He want to do it. Is the offer on his table? Rory, you're like, yo, ma'am, come on.

Does Brandy have the long form? contract? Yo, Roarie would definitely try to talk me. Get the fuck out of him. Never doing no shit like that. But overall, the spaces was a great. I've been looking at schools. I could use it. The spaces was great. Had a great time talking to the community. And I'll shout out to everybody that joined. I love that you did squash beef with the ops, which had me thinking that,

is that like a Harlem Bronx thing? That if you have beef with somebody and you got some bravado or whatever, then you squash it, now they're all friends because, like, Maul was like, yo, fuck all of them. Then I come in and he's key-keying about me and him fucking Martha Stewart with them. So is that a Harlem Bronx thing? I just have to ask. No, it's recognizing that

it's better to just be cool. Understand. Especially when you're talking about the ladies. Like, who I'm not beefing with no women? Like, who's doing that? All right, I just, I don't think this. I'm just going off what Cameron told me this morning. I don't think this about Jim Jones whatsoever.

But Jim Jones being from the Bronx and from Harlem, he was being accused of squashing beef with all his ops. So I felt like maybe that was a you and Jim situation because you did it on Twitter's faces. Cam said it today. It checks out. But the difference with mine is...

That's a thousand with both of you. Yeah, but the difference is, Mons wasn't a real... You know, it was fun, fun ops. You and Kiarada, that could have got, you both from the Bronx, that could have got crazy. We could have crashed out. I could have sold her in the concourse and crashed out. No, man.

Who knows what would have happened? It was all love. But speaking of... Jim and Cam, obviously last week, the video of Jim on Justin LaBois show respectfully went viral. And Jim had some things to say about Cam having 50 cent on It Is What It Is. And he said some things that I felt like crossed the line of respect as men. As men, you should, certain things, you should never say. You shouldn't phrase things a certain way because now a certain line has been crossed.

So everybody was kind of waiting for Cam to respond. So it is what it is. a new episode came out and this morning this morning and cam had his response and he had some things to say um basically kind of you know shedding i guess we'll call it cam's version of him and jim's relationship over the years and their you know friendship or whatever it is now kind of putting into perspective and everybody kind of felt like this was coming they felt like cam cam was you know he was where he put on his good mink yeah he usually wears a suit Yeah, usually we wear a suit here.

It was mint cam today. I said last episode that you would have been the only one that could have squashed this. Clearly, you took the weekend off. Because when I saw this clip, I was like, I told more. No, no, it was no squashing. That cam was, you know, if anybody knows Cam, Cam is going to respond. Cam is going to have fun. He's going, you know, he leans into all of that type of shit.

It's funny. It's unfortunate, though. I feel like, you know, I just hate to see shit because when you have somebody that has so much history like Jim and Cam, Whenever it goes sour, I just feel like it's shit that we're going to hear that we shouldn't hear and, you know, relationships that we're going to find. I just, I don't like hearing about shit like that. I think that that's just, it's not for the internet, man. I just, that's just me. I don't like, I don't like seeing shit like that.

This is why I'm terrified of the pettiness of everyone from Uptown. We have seen Jim and Cam Beef for God knows how long makeup, beef again. One of my favorite Funk Flex interviews ever was when Jim Jones. went up there, told the dipset story. And then my favorite IG Live ever was when Cam went up there the following day and told the entire dipset story. I thought we had heard every single version

of how the last 25 years went about. There couldn't have been a single detail that was left out from both sides. Cam has been still holding on to certain things just in case they started beefing again. He left out the whole BMF shit in the last one. But that's... They chased that nigga to the sand.

That's not funny. Then on top of that, it had me... So why are you laughing, baby, D? If it's not funny, why are you laughing? Because Cam is funny. Cam is funny. That's not funny, but Cam is fucking funny. You say it's when they chase that niggins to the beach?

Yeah, but that's crazy. See, that's the shit, yo. I don't want to hear about that, though, man. Like, we were never supposed to learn about that. Yeah, yeah, it's sad. And then it had me thinking because Mace is right next to Cam. We watch them beef. And Mace ain't no better.

He's sitting there with popcorn. Bro, Mace is the funniest part of the whole shit. It's like, yo, come on, man. What's going on, man? This is the epitome and definition of Harlem that I know. Like this is a dictionary version, all three of them, and every action is how we view everyone from Harlem. Like even Mace and Cam that beefed and made up for 20 years,

in their last beef with a diplomatic community shit, they were bringing up shit. I was like, y'all beef for 20 years. How did I not know y'all was fucking each other's sisters? How did I not know that you had someone in Bainbridge get Mace out of a car? they are secretly holding on what's the mean girls shit burn book I guarantee you there's a burn book in Harlem

and I cannot believe we're not at the last page yet new shit comes out y'all be for 20 years and I'm hearing new stories this is crazy but see but I look deeper into that type of shit because now I'm like I wish y'all niggas ever really friends yeah that's how I'm looking at it like yo because me and none of nobody that I call my friend we can we don't have nothing like that to say about each other

It ain't no, but, you use it, it's none of that. But some people would, would argue that this is how actual family moves

and not how friends move. That they're so deep into their friendship. Nah, man. Family don't move like this. Family would have been like, it would have been a phone call

away from cameras and mics like, yo, what are you doing? How are you mad at me for having 50 on and you cool with every nigga you ever had beef with? It would have been that similar of a conversation

like, wait, you mad at me for having 50 on my show. But you cool with everybody that you're cool with everybody. That's something that family, Roy, I get what you're saying because the type of blows that they're throwing are family blows, but it would never be, it would never be, it would never be public. It wouldn't be at the dinner table. Oh, no, I agree. We could get it shaking in the backyard.

We could, we could toss this motherfucking grill over and get this shit shaking in the back yard, but nobody outside of here going to know about this. I misspoke. Yes, you guys are correct. That's how family moves behind closed doors for sure. They don't put it out to the world, but these guys are public figures. I don't care. And we've definitely seen a lot of friends, family, everything. that became public figures have their shit spew out into the world because they have a microphone

in front of their face and because people care about their personal lives. There's shows, there's reality shows that are family. Family is not supposed to add out each other on public platforms. I agree. That's the way. So if you family, yeah, we can have a disagreement. You might say something on your platform that I don't like, but I'm going to be on your phone about it. I'm not going to be like, yo, like set up the cameras.

Like this is how you talking? All right. My new episode dropping Monday. We on them. What is that about? How do y'all feel about one of the things that he said was that Jim is a liability because everybody that come around him end up in jail. He shouted out your brother, actually. Did you hear that?

Yes. He shouted out your brother and Emery and the way that those things are handled over with Rockefeller. Family. See the difference? Yeah. But what I'm saying is how do you guys feel about that as far as when you become big and you become in this industry and then suddenly the people around you, you're not, you're just like hyping them up to. continue to be like OGs or people in the streets instead of giving them jobs, giving them opportunities. I think it was a little unfair. And again, I do not know Cam and Jim's relationship of their

entire life whatsoever, only know certain things they've shown. When you say Emory and you say Biggs, those are two people that have been solidified businessmen and have shown that they want to be that. Now, I do not know Shottie. I do not know Mel Matrix. I do not know the other gentleman that he named. and I'm not going to say that that's not something you want to do. We watch Shottie attempt his best with the situation he had to become a businessman. You can't have put that on Jim that he has to control every single person around him that may be known to get a little active on their own with or without Jim Jones. That's a little unfair where Biggs is not running around saying Trayway

and running around with 6'9 doing all that type of shit. I saw what Kim was doing. I just thought it was such a false equine. equivalence to what was going on. Emery came. Emery got locked up for some shit. He did 30 years before he got locked up. It just, the conspiracy ended up that way.

Emery was past that shit already. Like, he was moving on to be a businessman. Biggs the same thing got caught up in some absolute bullshit that put him in jail, was a business name before and after. You can't compare that to Mel and Shottie and what was going on and blame that on and blame that on Jim for not putting them in a better position. To me, that's unfair. I don't think you blame that.

I don't think you blame that. I think what Cam was probably trying to say is Jim is almost maybe, if not yet, soon to be 50 years old, as most of these gentlemen are. I think what Cam was trying to say was, bro, you got to change the way you move. You got to change the company you keep.

And was also, you got to like, he should put them on. I mean, or create opportunities for, if these are your friends, create opportunities so that they don't have to move the same way that they're moving. Everybody's grown now. Again, 50 years old, we can't be running around like we Y-Ns and still running down on dudes and, you know, shaking dudes up and fighting and all like that.

We move in different now. Camden makes winning suits every week. They own social media every week with suits on. They're not winning, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, I think Camber's starting to say we have to evolve. We have to grow. We have to mature. Like we can't be still running around like we kids anymore. So I think that's the gist of what Cam was trying to say. And I don't think, I don't think, I don't even think Kim was suggesting that Jim moves that way. Because we've seen Jim for the last few years put out some of his best music. He's been super focused, super consistent. I think he's been doing great in his host like veteran career-wise. To the point of putting other people on, I find that hard to believe because we have,

we've said countless times of artists that keep some of their friends around that clearly are not trying. to change either. And we say to those artists, get rid of them. So you can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped. We don't know. Jim could have tried a thousand things with his people in the background. If they don't want to do it or they don't want to get focused, what is Jim supposed to do? If he continued to do it, all of the public would say, why didn't you cut them off? Clearly they don't want to be here. Yeah, but I think that it just falls back to Jim's response to Cam and Mace having 50. it just crossed a line of respect.

It became very disrespectful when I told you. It's the same as saying, you know, something that I don't even like saying. I don't even like playing with that type of shit. But once you say that and you're talking to certain people, it's going to go a whole different way. It's going to go bad. And I knew that this response was going to come. I knew that Cam was going, you know, go on this platform and say some things and expose some things to people that don't know. you know, the ends and outs of situations that happen in Harlem and throughout the years between

these gentlemen. And now it's like everybody's hearing this and, you know, everybody's going to chime in and have their two cents. It's just unfortunate all the way around. And it's, and I don't like for it to seem like it's for entertainment because we're talking about real things that happen, real people that were affected, real people that can be affected. So, you know, for me, it's just not entertainment. and it's not for people to say, yo, Cam responded and everybody run online and kind of like, you know, see what they, was what Cam is saying.

Because these are real, what I thought was family. These are guys that have known each other for years, grew up with each other. Well, you know, been on a lot of Cam. Cam said, I ain't grow up with you. We got proof of these niggas being together since they was 20-something years old.

Not saying how long before that. Younger, probably. But since they was, Cam and Mace definitely grew up together. Jim was around, over 25, 30 years for sure. Maybe not 30, 25 years for sure. So I'm just like, you know, it's unfortunate, man.

It's cheap shots and back and forth, which Cam didn't really say much that we hadn't really heard besides maybe the BMF stuff and a few other jokes here and there. But we've heard both sides of their story. Like, Jim was going to high school with Zique and that's how they met. Like, yes, they were not in the playpen together.

And you don't have to be. But if I, if we've been friends for 27 years, if we've been around each other business, music, getting into fights and clubs and all this shit for 27 years, and we only approaching 50, God damn, I knew you more than half your life. That's more than half your life. Like, we've been in each other's lives. So at what point are we not family?

At what point are we not like best friends? Like, I've known you for more than half your life. We've been together, do some shit, made a lot of money together, made history together, did a lot of legendary shit together. It gives frenemies, honestly. But that's what I'm saying. So now when you start hearing shit like this, you got to sit back and be like,

yo, was y'all have a really cool? Because it sounds like y'all just keeping tabs on friendship shit. Passive aggressive, keep it to yourself, like, cool. And then we've talked about this with other people. Sometimes it's never even 50 going on the show. They was just waiting for something to say. It's got nothing to do with 50 being on that show. It was just, you know, I had this on my heart,

and now I have an opportunity to say. No, it wasn't that. it was that line of respect that was crossed by Jim. Jim said what he said? No, and I'm saying Jim said that not because 50 was on the show. He has had some resentment. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

100%. But I don't even think, like, going back to the family shit, I don't even, I really don't think Cam, I don't think Cam's like, oh, this thing got invited me to his dick, because I don't even think Cam looks at him like that. Like, even when he was talking about it, he didn't even bring that up. It gives, like, cousins that don't really like each other, but grandma said we got get along now grandma dead. No, it was like.

It was that. It was that. And both of them said at the end of their rants, you know, that's my guy. It's no beef. Love him. Like,

we'll not love him. But they both said, I want the best. That's fake. You can't. You can't say that type of shit about me publicly. And they'd be like, but nah,

but you my man, no. No, I'm not. But then, all you tell the niggas I got chased to the sand and all. We're not friends no more. That was never supposed to get out.

Well, but, yeah, but. But they've also had, and both these gentlemen are way tougher than me. They both had the runoff competition between the Rucker, between BMF, both of them have said the other person has ran

anytime they was trying to fight. Which is just like, somebody give me the third party story of both of these situations. Because both y'all resort to that. And Cam, who I love when he rants, he's one of the best ever at it, especially out of rappers. The guy he's sitting next to,

when they were beefing, said, you're not from Harlem, you from Jacksonville, Florida. I was like, all right, now Mace is from Jacksonville, Florida. When they went to the Heights together. it. So like this whole, yo, Jimmy, you from the Bronx? I'm like, okay. So now what? The Bronx is two minutes from Harlem. That's why I could walk over the bridge. I never understood that. Yo, you ain't from Holland. You're from the Bronx. All right, fam. But that's Harlem arrogance,

which I love. That's why we love Harlem because they have that ego and arrogance. So I get why they think their section, like everyone wants to be from Harlem. And like if you're from the Bronx, you're not part of this. Listen, I grew up in the Bronx, lived in the Bronx. My family's from Harlem. I went to school in Harlem. So when people ask me where you from, I say uptown, bro. I'm from the Bronx. Makes sense. I got family in Harlem. My family's still in Harlem. I went to school in Harlem. I got a bunch of friends in Harlem. I still get my hair cut in Harlem. I go to some of my favorite restaurants in the Harlem. I still walk through Harlem almost every day.

But what I'm going to say, does somebody go say I'm not from Harlem? Because I lived in the Bronx. What are we talking about? Well, you're not from Harlem. You're from the Bronx. But if I want to say, but if I want to say I'm from Harlem, Can't nobody argue that? Who gonna argue that? And what was- Where you went to school at? 127 from Madison.

And what was so- Like, what were we saying? Where are your family from? 114 from Manhattan Avenue. My mom's went to Wadley High School. Like, my pop still lives in Harlem. My brothers live in Harlem. Like, cousins, friends,

everybody's still in Harlem. So I just never understood that because, again, you told me to somebody that I seen both sides of that where it's like, okay, if niggas, I want to say, I'm not from Harlem, cool. I'm not forcing that.

But niggas, They're going to say, if you ask, niggas from Harlem, and they say, somebody said, Mar from Harlem, I'm like, yeah, ain't nobody going to say

I'm not from Harlem. So I never understood this, Jim is from Harlem. He's from Weeks Ave in the Bronx. Do you know how close weeks ab is to Harlem? Like, do you know that's not even 10 minutes away? Like, what do we,

I just never understood that shit, bro. I never understood it. Do you think we get a Hellrell response again of you can't bring up Weeks ad without Hellrell? Why would Cam do that? I hope. Because that was the last, Hellrell listened to two hours of content

and said, Why didn't he say Hellrell's name of Weeks that? I was like, I don't think that was the topic. Yeah. Was Hell Rowrell a big artist in New York? Yeah, he had his moment. Okay, because he was like big in Syracuse. Like, they were, like, when I was talking to, they listened to a lot of Hellrow.

The more than music, more than music, uh, mixtape series, I thought Hell Row outshined everybody on that shit. He had a time. He had a time. He had some joints. And he has one of the greatest, uh, YouTube clips of all time when he was telling us, he was shooting four movies, had a Maserati, only one in the world, and then just kept calling us stupid.

You don't think, you don't think I'm an A-List actor, stupid? Like, no, I didn't know, bro. I'm, my bad. I got one-of-one Maserati stupid. I'm like, damn, but who. Because you could just play back shit that happened years ago.

I'd be like, yo, remember this? Like, what you was, when you was trying to take us with this rant? He's in there playing like Dreamcast in the projects. I'm like, I didn't know, man. I'm sorry. What was also funny how you kind of knew it was more family shit,

back to the who's from Harlem, who's from the Bronx? Cam said, Jim, you from the Bronx. Your grandmother lived in East Harlem. and then he said, I'm really from Harlem, 142nd Street, where my grandmother lived. But then Cam lived with his mom in 1199. It just all contradicted itself. Bro, it's dumb.

So Jimmy can't claim his grandmother's house, but you can? That situation is so, I mean, listen, I get it. But on the other hand, it's just like, yo, what are we talking about? So I said on the last episode, I know where this is going. We're going to get the same shit. I would rather them be friends again and just get music. Because even though I laughed this morning. No, this is way funnier than any fucking music they're going to put out.

Well, funny, yeah, I mean, funny. But this is more entertaining than music they can put up. But at what expense? Nah. No, see, and I know that there's real shit behind it, but I'm never, I hope everybody pisses Cam off. I hope y'all piss Cam off. Why? Because hearing Cam go off is fucking hilarious.

Like, I could watch. Yeah, but nobody wanted to. The office and I was cackling, just sitting here by myself, cackling laughing. Okay. I have a way for us to start some beef. Even though we defending Cam and Mace, I felt like, like it was a personal shot when he shouted out Biggs. He said, look what Biggs doing right now.

You got St. John. He's working with drink champs. Biggs are our manager too. Why you? Yo, Cam, I'm looking at which camera? Cam, I'm looking right at you. That was a personal shot, wasn't it? You said Biggs got St. John and drink champs like Biggs not my manager too.

Yeah. That was a personal shot, Cam. I know that. I know you listen to his podcast every day. You know who we are. Cam listening to this every day. Cam definitely do not listen to us every day. And Cam definitely knows that Biggs works with us because he keeps up with that.

I don't even think Cam has ever seen this podcast at all, I'm pretty sure. Nah, he's seen it, but he ain't watching it every day. But either way, I just want- Cam, don't get Benner's email fucked up in my bio. Biggs is there too. Listen, man, don't. I just hope Jim, Cam, please, man, for the sake of just everything that y'all have built over the years, man.

Just hash this shit out. I don't want to hear no more. I know Jim is going to respond. If he hasn't already, why we recording this. I just don't want to know nothing else about the shit we're not supposed to know about. I get that. That's all. I don't want to know nothing about that.

Like, I don't want to hear it. Jim saved Elliott. Jim doing that saved Elliott. Oh, no, they're going, they're going to, they're going to parlay some of that for Elliot. Don't think that that ain't coming. I was told Elliot was supposed to be on this episode. So I don't know if they canceled because Cam walked in. Oh, yeah.

That was ISO. Elliot, we'll get to you. I'm on Joe Mo Time and Joe Mo Time only. Yeah, yeah. We'll get to you another thing. Yeah. And the green room, we're waiting and it came by not, fuck that. Yeah, this is to the, this is a solo.

We're going to air this, you know, ISO, and this is just my response episode. But all jokes aside, Jim, Cam, love which I have built for the culture, which I added to the culture over the years. Please, man, I just, you know, it's just a new year. We just, damn, it's only two weeks into the new year. Shit, wow. It just, everybody just chill, relax, love each other, hug each other. God damn, take a vacation or something. And Jim knows he's always welcome up here if you want to get some shit off.

No, no. See, see? Look, look how fast you're on the open platform to get some shit off. I have a good relationship with Jim. If Jim come up here, we're going to read the fucking Quran. We're going to fucking. He's not even muscle. I don't care.

We're going to peace. We're going to make peace, man. It ain't no get your shit off off. Oh, no. But don't say to get your shit off because, no. We're not. Yeah, don't do that. Well, first of all, Jim just put out a record.

Still on Harlem, which I think is great. So yeah, Jim can come up here to plug that record And clearly he has a new music coming Say that. Don't say to get your shit off Like you want him to come up here and start talking about Kim and Mace, don't do that. Maul, I have went to the depths of Harlem To bop my head off beat for Jim Jones. That's my guy.

I love Jim. So he could come up here to do whatever pause he'd like. It doesn't have to be on some beef shit. Yeah, no, no beef. We don't want no beef. But if he did want to do that, I'm going to turn the cameras on. I'm just going to do my job. I'm just going to do my job.

Oh, man. Man, no. Like, I'd be remiss to say, yes, I would like him to come up here to plug the new record, which is great. Let's talk music. Let's talk building businesses. Speaking of Harlem. Let's talk, you know what I mean? Putting the kids in school and doing back to school shit for the kids. Harlem stick together.

Let's talk community. Harlem over everything. You ho? That sounds like a new real estate spot that they renamed. Yeah. You ho? Yeah, you ho. Hall them over everything, man. Stick together.

Hallam stick together, man. Let's get more of that. And I feel like Cam and Jim should not be beefing if they're giving Leangelo Ball $13 million for a song. Yeah, that's the shit they should be ranting about. Leangelo Ball signs an $8 million deal. You hating because they like the song. I hate what they're doing.

I hate what they're doing to the culture that I love. Rory is one for one. Yes. I hate what they're doing. They've been doing this to the culture we all love way before Leangelo Ball. Yeah. They have been giving these deals. I'm not saying it's his fault.

I'm not saying it's the first one. I said I hate what they're doing to the culture that. I love. Not saying this is the only way. Have done doing and going to continue. Exactly. What Pete said? What?

Having a clue. Having a clue what they're doing to our coach. Having a clue. I haven't a clue what they're doing to our coach. They're chunky. We're smooth. Oh my God. Leangelo Ball signs an $8 million deal with Def Jam.

Yes. So the rumors came out from a tweet, which was somewhat confirmed. Landjlo Ball signs a deal with Def Jam and Universal Music Group. A representative from the label, Born to Ball, obviously, says, The deal is worth as much as $13 million with $8 million guaranteed and gives Ball full ownership of music and his own record label. Because Maul and I are super music industry insiders, I was told that the deal is $5 million and an $8 million publishing deal, which I know that equals up to $13 million. But I don't think any pub company is giving $8 million up front for one song. No, no, no, no.

Or I don't even care what you have in the $8 million up front. I don't know about that. I can see him getting a $5 million deal with Def Jam at this point, though. Up front, I can see that. I can. And I was told from somebody that Republic, which is under Universal, had to buy the deal and then gave it to Def Jam because things are so rough. They had to take funding from Republic to get this deal done.

Damn. So. I hate what they're doing to the culture. you're cooked. Just put that out there. Let's not say that. Oh, you really? What now?

Death Jam is cooked. Let's not say Deb Jam is cooked. Def Jam is cooked. What are you? You really seem to like out of all the God awful records that have gone viral over the past three, four years that I've been podcasting with you.

This one really seems to make your nipples chap. And I don't understand why you have like such a true disres because this one isn't even bad. Like this is actually a good song. No, it's not real hip hop. It ain't no good song, man. That shit trash, cut it out. It sounds like some of the hot boys would have did.

Man, no, it don't. Oh, you don't like Wayne. No, it's why. No, that's not it. Yeah. I'm saying, look at the overarching thing here. They're taking people that are just having a viral moment on the internet, giving them a deal like this, a record deal like this.

They're not going to recoup this. Yes, sir. If you think that's, how are they going to recoup this? I'm sure that's a, that deal. How are they going to recoup this? How are they going to recoup this? You don't think, let's say, let's say. with Pub an $8 million deal, which again, I don't think you got up front, but let's say it is actually an $8 million deal.

You don't think with what we were even predicting as far as this ending up in NBA playoff shit, this ending up with a lot of brand deals that they can't make up $8 million on this song when they outright own it? Because I also don't believe the last part of that tweet. There's no way Def Jam or Universal or Republic is putting up $5 million for your deal and you own that music outright. I think it's just it's not a licensing deal, in my opinion. I don't know. It's just a regular ass record deal, which is cool. You get your money up front and you'll get a split at the end, but I don't think he owns his music.

Obviously he doesn't own his pub if he's selling it. But yes, this record can make $8 million easily. For sure. Easily. For sure. Just off the playoffs if it gets something like that, they're making $8 million easy with that pub. Just by playing it, going into commercial in the playoffs?

Do you how much money? Do you know how much money? No, how many niggas have had their song played on that shit that ain't making no $8 million? I'm saying deals like that. With the sync deals that that is going to end up getting. Yes, I think that song will make up the $8 million. And I think Leangelo might be upset that he sold his pub for $8 million.

Because I think that he can make another one. I definitely think that he can make another song. If he stays with that formula, that will be, that will do well. And let's say, let's say when they did the pub deal, they own the actual instrumental and beat. You know how many people are already probably, if not, recorded a remix to that, which goes against that same pub deal, they're making that $8 million back, which is, I mean, it's good business. Now, if they want to sink more money into a Leangelo ball-to-ball joint venture, I can't speak to that because I don't know, you know,

their pop's ear for music. I don't know if that's really a thing, but. He got an eye for athletes. I'll give him that. The ball ball ball ball got an eye for athletes, but I don't. If he was bopping his head to this in the studio, that niggas, I don't know. But you also have to realize, too. Yeah. Major labels have revamped. See, y'all about to. You said his air for music.

I know what Baby D. trying to do. I know she tried to piss me. All right. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't make me go. Also, we talked about the 360 deal, which we used to know to be that the label eats off music, merch, shows, everything, right?

They have revamped that for all their artists to fit the times. they could be eating off any appearance Leangelo does. Anytime he performs that at, let's say, NBA All-Star Weekend, anything Leangelo does, he may have signed on the dotted line. So yeah, I think they could make up the $5 million

in just a Leangelo Ball album based off the money he'll make outside of his celebrity. Like, I know those numbers sound insane, but if you get into the nitty-gritty of what one song can do when you own it, there is money in music. everyone says there's no money of music because the labels own it. Have you ever heard a major label or anyone from Spotify say there's no money in music? No.

No, it's artists that get fucked that say there's no money in music. So a $5 million deal up front, I mean, good for Leangelo, but I think the label's making their money back on that. And I think with the pub. So you think it was a good deal? For the label. Okay. And I mean, congrats to Leangelo, but. Yeah, I'm never, I'm not hating on Leigh.

I just, that shit is not. Because then we're going to get up here and complain when the album is trying. trash when he don't know how to perform. We've seen us already. We sat here and fucking laughed Ice Spice off the stage on her first performance. She didn't look comfortable after her record went viral when she had a hit. We laughed at her. We had to watch her artist development in real time, go through trial and error in real time on stage,

become the laughing stock of the internet. All she's doing is bending over twerking. She don't even look like she's happy to be on stage. Her album is trashed. Like all of these things are like now. That's Ice Spice, but you could also compare that with Glorilla. because Glorilla had a hit viral song that was crazy and people were saying

was ass or wasn't that good, real hip hop heads. And then she's come and made a hit after hit after hit after hit. So yes, it could go to Ice Spice Way, but it could also go that way too. You don't know what LeAngelo got in the tug. All right, so you're on the side of this may go

the Glorilla way? Yeah. You think this will go Glorla way. I don't think it's going to go the Glorlaway, but I'm saying I don't think he just has one. Okay. I don't think he just has. I think Glorilla might happen.

Listen, I'm open to being wrong. I'm open to being wrong. Do you think money, Munch made over $8 million in pub. Oh, for sure. Yeah. For sure. And of course, Munch is, as of now, is bigger than this record.

I'm not trying to compare. Or discredit, Ice Spice, even though I do that a lot, I'm not about to pretend like Munch didn't make her and the label a shit ton of money. Right. But, yeah, singles, that's why all these labels are completely focused on singles right now because that is what is driving revenue. The same way you're saying, they're saying this viral shit.

And that's what's killing music. Say it. Can I introduce you to Atlanta records the last seven years? Say it. That's what's killing music. Oh, I agree. Okay. What the fuck?

All right. I'm just saying, just say it. That's all. I like this Lamb's a little ball song a lot, but if I'm not about to sit here and say it's great for me. Okay. That's all. It's a good song. I started with, I hate what this is doing to the culture.

Isn't that not what I said? But you got to talk to Mike Karen about that, not us. No, I'm talking to my audience. There's a difference between this being, it's not bad for music, but it's also not good for music. Like, it's not. This is bad for music. It is. He said it's like Jake Paul and Boxing.

I don't know about that, though. Do you think the virality of it or the song itself? Because this song doesn't sound like nothing we haven't been dancing to since the 2000s. Like, I don't think the song is some awful song that, like, my pussy pink, my booty hole brown. That was awful for music. That was awful for music. This is actually a song. That's because she's a CIA agent and it was planted.

I actually like this song a lot. And that's not me like pretending to like this song. I actually do like the song. And a lot of people actually do like it. It reminds me of shit I used to listen to when I was in middle school. So I don't think that he's not. People don't like this song. They see people liking this song and they feel like they like.

like this song. People don't like this song. Ma, just because you don't like it. It ain't just me. That's what I'm trying to tell you. It ain't just me. You and all your old-ass friends, y'all don't like it. It ain't old. I know young people that ain't fucking with this song.

That ain't day like, they can turn that shit off. This shit ain't hot. It's just not hot. It's not a dope record. Okay. Just because it sounds like the hot boys. It's like, oh, we, what does that mean? Then I'll ask you this question.

When do you think Universal has had their priority be what's good for music? I mean, we've been away from that for some years now. But that's again, that's my point. That's my point. I hate what they're doing to the culture and the music that I love. I hate what the business and the labels are doing to the culture and the business that I love. That's what I started with. I started with that. Yeah. I think what Tamarais and I are trying to say is we're trying to be optimistic because we've seen way worse records get bigger deals that were way worse than this for music. Name one. What's the chick that was on Dr. Phil? Bad Baby. Bad Baby got the same budget

as a pop and Cardi B. At Atlantic Records. Yeah, I thought that was awful for music. Way worse. I don't even know what record this year. Way worse than Leangelo Ball, who by the way, I get why a Republic Universal Def Jam,

all of them would invest in this at the price point that they did because we get his pops. We've seen his pops. Whatever you want to say about him is one of the better marketers that we've seen in the entertainment business when it comes to his kids.

Well, she had a $1 million deal. She didn't have a... I'm talking about the budget and the money they put behind her. Yeah. I'm not saying what they advanced her. She had Megan Nostalian,

little baby, and Ty Dalla sign on her first album. Yeah. Clickbait. She was on Dr. Phil cursing her mother out. But what if they got... He had a clock for her only fans.

I'm about saying, what if they got some of her only fans money, what if they got some of her only fans money? Listen, I'm not saying there wasn't some in perpetuity deal where everyone's like, there's no way she made 40 million. Maybe she did and only saw four million of it. I don't know what Mike Karen put her under. Get Onlyfans money. Now, that's sick.

There's no way. Maybe that's why Lucian's son took over at Atlantic. The only thing keeping the lights on is their percentage of the Onlyfans money. I don't know. But I know for a fact that that's what a lot of labels are doing with their 360s. It's not just the main points that Leor created. Everything that you do. Shit.

My first deal, I didn't put my first album out on a major, but my first deal with E.O. Child and our joint venture was with Island. When I went in there to get a budget for my project, they asked me for, in perpetuity, we have rights to any podcasting you do. Are you serious? I laughed, like, out loud. Of course, but that's not rare anymore because so many of the, these artists are content creators and their brands are more important than their music.

If you don't think that the labels are not eating off every single thing they do, that's the new 360. It's not your show money, your festival money. That's peanuts to them. It's your celebrity. We own every bit of your celebrity. So you don't think the balls have celebrity value? Absolutely.

So that's the joint venture here, this ball to ball music. They probably created that LLC yesterday. Like they're investing in the balls. Pause. Same. Also, Lord Jemar called me gay because I don't believe in the flat earth. That means I'm just invested.

Like, I just like balls. Because I think the earth is a globe. So I'm just, I just have, on my brain, I just got, I got balls in my brain. Okay. We'll get to that later. I can't wait. But yeah, congrats to Leangelo.

Yeah, shout out to him and his daddy. His daddy worked hard for his kid to be, both his kids to be good, hardworking men. And see, this is another, we have to bring this back up. Hard working men. You think is play basketball. I feel like I need to snitch on more real real.

You think basketball players don't work hard. You literally do nothing but hang around basketball players. He's not even, what does that mean? You know that they work hard. Wait, what's the definition of Mamba mentality? What are you talking about? Everybody ain't Kobe. Facts.

Leangelo's not even playing ball. What the fuck are we talking about him? I never said that he was a hard working ball player. So Kobe's the only athlete that ever worked on. Y'all are crazy, man. I said he was a hard working man. He worked hard on his record. Yeah. All right, man. All right, man. Okay. I told y'all 225. I'm listening to All

Lies, man. Go ahead. Get it all. And I have to snitch on you. The same group chat we were in that I was talking about last episode, we had another debate that I didn't bring up. We had the father versus. I think Levar Ball, and this is going to sound fucked up. I don't really think this is for debating purposes. Lovar Ball is a better father than LeBron when it comes to the kids and what they're doing. You said LeBron smokes him. I don't know where you got there. from. Levar is three for three. Okay. And Bron will be, he only has two boys.

Both of them going to play in the NBA. All right. So Levar, his youngest, is one of the most elite point guards in the league. He's not just some guy that got drafted 55th and went to the D League. Oh, see. The other one outside of the UCLA shit and being drafted to the Lakers, God knows how much money they made.

Peach, can you tell me how much LeVar ball average when he played basketball? Wait, we're talking about being a father. Yeah. Triple doubles don't make you a better father. Him, him, him. Let's talk by him while he was a father. So he averaged 2.2 points again.

All right, so let's go. Let's move forward. Now what happened? So now we're going to pretend like he wouldn't give Michael Jordan a run for his money because Michael too small. All right, man, here we go. See, we're just saying anything now. No, he said that.

20, 25. Get it off. Get your lies off, man. Say whatever. Fuck it. You don't think everything he did with his oldest from UCLA, to the marketing around his shoe, to what he did with the Lakers,

to then go to Leangelo that has a potential $13 million deal with a major label, to then his youngest, being an elite point guard in the NBA, is not a fucking incredible foot when it comes to fathering. Incredible.

You ain't going to get me to say. Everyone called him crazy. You ain't going to, incredible. I'm with you. And I get it. LeBron's son was in Space Jam, too, but I just don't think it matches up. Either way, man, you know, listen, man, get your shit off.

Congrats to Leangelo. We just got to wait and see, I guess, man. I think the record is not a good record, but, I mean, I get the whole internet, everybody trying to seem like they like it together and we're all making videos playing it in the background together. Like, I get it. I do not know how you can't fathom that. Somebody can like something that you don't like.

No, I get that. There's a bunch of people like a bunch of shit I don't. And then years later, you'd like, yo, man, when you liked that record and niggas look like that egg on their face? Like, yeah, you were shaking ass to that bullshit. Well, there's plenty of songs I liked in the moment and then moved on. What's wrong with that? How fast did you move on?

I don't care if it was one summer. I loved that record that summer and that moved. That's music. Trash music. That's what separates. That's what separates. And this doesn't have to be a transition into the Billboard 21st century list. But that's the difference between those artists and people that have a moment.

You don't think that we didn't love summer 2014 because of Bobby Shmerda. You don't think we loved summer 2010. because of Trinidad James, like these were still staples in our lives. But we move the fuck on. I don't think this record is anywhere close to those records. We don't know yet. It's been out for two weeks.

We knew as soon as we heard hot shit what that was going on. That's not true. That was a slower burn than just because you were there and in the moment, you have to remember that. A lot of us just because we pay attention so much of this shit think that everyone thought it was hot right away. That was a slow burn. It was.

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Okay Also took some time though I'm gonna take my time I'm gonna take my time And you'll take my time and delete that shit Every time I'm gonna delete this song Every time I see it on my timeline I'm muting somebody

Get this shit out of here Hear this shit When was the last time But congrats I ain't hating on nobody getting the back About a record like that Huh I'm with

Demaris. There has to be like a personal reason behind the shit. There's been so much, quote unquote, shitty music that came out that we just, yeah, that's cool for the party. No, I'm just I'm voicing the fact that people like bullshit. That's all. Oh, I won't agree with you there. You like, people like bullshit. It is what it is. I like bullshit a lot. Yeah, I get

it. I don't, is all I'm saying. Something is, we're on that corner, whoa. It's all you know. You can't get me nothing else after that. That's TikTok shit. That's why Steve Lacey threw mics at your last at the show. See? Don't know mic at me. Ah, so you're saying Leangelo Ball is like Steve Lacey.

No, it's not what I'm saying. A trained musician. I'm saying y'all are like the fans at the Steve Lacey show. That's what I'm saying. You're saying that the internet and Leangelo Ball should do a collab album. No. See how fast to answer that? No, that's not what I'm saying.

Period. You're suggesting you should be celibate for two and a half years. Shout out to Red Man. Saw that he, Red Man. He's been celibate for two and a half years. The legendary Red Man. Andy said it's the best thing that he ever did in his life. He's been fasting from sex and smoking, something that I thought none of us would ever think that Red Man would do was fast from smoking.

But I think that's dope, man. I think it's good to fast from things that you may feel like, you know, you abuse or do too much of. And it's good. It's good to kind of get that out your system for a while. It's funny. I thought it was like algorithm shit the other day. I was catching up on the Victory podcast, which is a podcast about entourage. It's with the creator and then drama and E.

And they had Vince on the podcast a while ago, but I'm playing ketchup. And what's Vince's real name? I don't want to just call him Vince. Adrian, something I forgot. So he was on there. And he was saying that he was going through the semen retention phase of his life, where he went six months, and then I think he went another eight months or something like that. And the way he was describing it was all that little energy that comes.

of why it feels so good to come, more or less. It feels like a small part of energy, but it's a huge part of the energy that's in your body that you are giving to this moment, whether it's beaten off or fucking, retaining that energy to go into other things in your life.

He felt it immediately when he stopped fucking and coming. He took, his focus was different, his energy was different, all of that orgasmic feeling went to more positive things in his life. And he's not, he wasn't on this shit,

like you should not fuck. He was like, I just needed to do a reset. And then I went back, you know, to fucking. Yeah, but if you don't fuck or bust a nut for two and a half years, you better do shit Elon is doing. Dough. More. Yeah, you got to create some shit that's going to change the world.

Don't just tell me you ain't fucked. First of all. And bustling nut in two and a half years. His MTV Cribbs episode changed the world. Redman? Yeah. Oh, no, I'm not talking about Redmond. I'm talking about in general.

Like, if you not bus... He didn't go two and a half minutes without busting in that house. No, but Redman is saying he went two and a half years with no sex. He didn't say. say he wasn't masturbating. It's a difference. It's a difference is all I'm saying. Two and a half years of no sex, cool.

Two and a half years and you didn't bust a nut? I feel like... You got to show me where you placed that energy. Like, what did you show me? There's got to be some tangible shit. You can use it to manifest. Like that energy. Go ahead.

No, land it. I'm trying. Listen. So when you're thinking about like having sex and stuff, like you can edge yourself and like send all that, like, energy into the universe about, like, saying, like, I want money or I want to manifest a new job or I want to manifest, you know, you can do that with your sexual. So, baby, dude, you're going to play with yourself, edge yourself to the point of orgasm,

but stop right before you do it and let out. No, I'm going to release all my energy into the manifestation. But you can also do it the edging way, too. Manifesting during sex. Yeah. No, not even. First of all, but imagine having sex with a girl, is she about to come? She'd be like, oh, my God, I needed $200 million.

dollars like it's like wait wait what if that's her process have you ever had to like talk a woman through a nut those conversations get interesting you have never talked the woman through a nut and it was manifestation maybe never know i don't know what she was thinking while i was talking her through the nut no but you got a manifestation you got to stay it out right you got to put it out until the when you manifest you have to say it yeah you got to say it yeah so she would have said when she was manifest she didn't think it we're just going to roll over that baby d just accused me of rape that's not rape. Wait, what?

That's not rape. What? I'm mad we just let that slide, right? I didn't hear. Yeah, yeah. Manifest that for me, right? I didn't hear what she said. I didn't hear what she said.

I'm sorry, I didn't hear what she said. No, but some, you know, girls have thought that before when somebody's on top of them and just, oh, get off. Oh, yeah. No, I've, in consensual sex, I've had a woman on top of me like, oh, man, we should end this. Yeah, get off. This is not working.

Get off me is crazy. Imagine you can hear her thought. You hear that? I'm sure there's been worse thoughts that you wouldn't want to hear. about your performance. Get off me. It's crazy. But let's not say, you know, a nigger hole like,

yo, walk everything about you. Your haircut look different after, you know, girl. Everything, nothing looks the same. Life is never the same after you hear a girl thinking, get off me. I mean, we saw what it did to Mel Gibson. He ain't did a movie. That was a what women want joke if anyone got it.

No, that was a classic movie. Classic movie. Melby going crazy. But Red Man did put out Muddy Waters too at the end of last year. It's like 32 records, which is fire. Yeah, they may have taken two and a half years. 32 records, yeah, that n' got a lot of energy.

Yeah. So it worked. Listen, I love Red Man. I'm not listening to 32 songs. It doesn't always have to be for the world. I love Red Man. One of my favorite ever. I'm not listening to 32 songs.

32 Red Man songs is crazy. I'm not doing it. I still ain't listen to all three of those albums that the Dream. Remember the Dream dropped three albums? And one? I'm still on album two. and that she came out five years ago. Yeah.

Just too much. I'm not listening to all of that. I mean, but Red's got features on here to help you get through it, like people we want to hear from. 302? Notting by nature, Queen Latifah. Shout out to Jersey. Shik is on here. Faith Evans, Kit Capri.

Of course, Method Man. Like, I liked it. I got through it. 32 songs. I don't know. I'm not putting all 32. We got K.R.S. I didn't put all 32 on, like, my current playlist, but there's, there's joint songs.

Oh, no, so it's joint. This Red Man. I appreciate that Red Man sacrificed a large part of everyone's life, nutting, to deliver this album. No, real tall, you know, we're joking and having fun, but Red Man, that's amazing for Red Man to fast from smoking and having sex, though. Shout out to Red Man. Let's bring back the scenario. Let's do a little callback. Okay.

We both agreed to Eiffel Tower, Martha Stewart from 1.5. Mm-hmm. Two and a half years, no coming, 1.5? don't come for two and a half years for 1.5 million? Yeah. Can I still have sex, though? I'm a woman, so sorry, I think of this differently.

Can I still have sex? I just can't orgasm? No, this is no, no beating off, no sex, no nothing for two and a half years. Baby D ain't going to make it. She ain't going to make it. Baby D not going to make it. She'll be so mad she ain't get that one point five. Do I get increments?

Like, are there benchmarks? Like, if I hit a year, can I get a mill? No, no. Two and a half years, no sex, no orgasm, no masturbation, 1.5 million. Do you think you could do it? And be honest with yourself. I mean, according to Fox News or Fox Sports, she could make triple that if she keeps fucking half years.

Now, I would fuck Skip Bayliss before I would go two and a half years. That was only one day for that 1.5. You said you would skip. I will fuck Skip Bayless. If I had gun to my head, fuck Skip Baylis for 1.5 or not be able to have an orgasm for two and a half years, I'll fuck Skip Baylis. Okay, that's honest. I'm taking coming.

Like in a heartbeat. With Skip Baylis. What? Oh, I thought we had the same scenario. No, we don't. No. The scenario was not having sex or beating off for two and a half years. Oh, okay.

I'm saying I would take that over the $1.5 million. I can find other ways to make $1.5 million and continue to walk. Ooh, talk your shit. I could. I don't have to dig that motivated me to go get $1.5. In two and a half years, I can make that. You don't have some dick that motivated me to go rob. She said she had one point five.

She had dick that motivated her to go get one point five. Dead ass. Like, let's be fiscally responsible here for a real. I had dick that motivating. Calling that fiscally responsible. Like, let me earn a 1.5. Let me, you know, go out there into the workforce. I don't just want it just for doing nothing.

What about the dick motivated you that way to be like, I got to go out and get the person that was attached to. Mm-hmm. Okay. and your answer I had so much fun talking to the minute's basis last night

about that 1.5 they were starting to hold on strong and all of them broke and have to like you know what I'm like 1.5 on the table

cash and Rory Tomlin and the IRS has no idea about it like y'all lying just say you go fuck

I'll take you to skip house and wait outside of me I'll drop you up like go ahead man have fun I'll be out here waiting so and I think when we were all talking

about it. It's not that it's not that I wouldn't think about it. It's not that I wouldn't even attempt it. I don't think I would be able to go through with it because I can't feel that disgusted of myself to do something that I truly don't want to do with my body. You're going to go in there with skip for that 1.5 and take the longest vacation.

You're going to be in Toulon, the Cayman Islands. No, I'm quitting this podcast immediately for sure. Of course you are. Of course you are. Of course you are. And with that. And with that, and with your eyes. Yes, you can. Knowing that I fucks him. Yes, you can. You're going to be five. Lemon drops in.

You're going to be on that FaceTime talking shit, tanning. You're going to be the one, you baby, D, 1.5 cash. If I fuck Skip Baylish, I would never let me see the end of it. Of course not. But I wouldn't let you see the end of it if you didn't fucking me here at 1.5 on the table. I'm like, you didn't take that. You're still here. Why are you at work?

What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? Like, are you crazy? Take that 1.5 and go somewhere, man. Yeah, it has to be a plus one on a vacation. Yeah. Pay for my trip.

Word. Something like that. No one. I'm dropping you off to Skip House, man. You got help me fuck him if you want to come on the trip. All right, man. We could split it. Baby, what's up?

We can split it. This energy is crazy. That me and my pussy put in hard work for and you just. Yeah, ain't no hard work. Getting over. That niggas, 132 years old. If you go in there and bounce on that old niggas six times and get up out of there,

baby, they stop playing with me. Fuck you're talking about. Like Skip is Mr. Marcus. Like Skip up to be in there nailing you to the wall. That nigg is a hundred thirty-three-seven years. Oh man, that nigga going to sleep after six bounces, baby, D. Holy shit.

Yeah, hard work. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, man. Get some Louve and walk out with a briefcase. Yeah, Rocks skip to sleep. Yeah, get your ass back in the car and go home with that 1.5, man. Cut it out. And none of this is co-signing workplace harassment.

No, not at all consensual, funny jokes. I'm scared to getting this next topic. All right, let me not say that. Because we're going into 2025 with so much confidence. I just didn't I didn't know where I wanted to go with a push-a-tee and Kendrick Lamar

collab topic on what what rails that would get us off but if anyone remembers this was I think right after

damn all right my bad all good yeah no it's I like that strategy instead just try to interrupt the topic with coughing

rather than no no no no I thought that was I'd like damn remember what you could just call like yeah

season before it's yeah the weather it's like shit going on. Go ahead, man. Remember the old school radio stations that had the cough button? Yeah, yeah. We need to add that here. My bad.

I'm sorry, Peach. Especially when the GNX deluxe comes out. We need just hold the cough button. Right. Do you guys remember, I think it was like right after Farrell had gotten the Louis Vuitton, creative director situation. Louis. He had put together a fashion show and premiered a record he produced for the clips,

which ended up being- Was that the one with John Legend? No, so don't get that confused. He's done it twice. The most recent one, was the record with John Legend that was about pushing Malice's parents, which was a fucking beautiful record. This was the one before it.

Remember Jay was, J&B were right there, and you could tell the way Jay was bopping his head that he was writing bars to that beat. Like, Jay was not paying attention to one croissant or croissette that went past. What are those things called? Corset? Corset. Corset.

Yeah. A croissant. Same thing. Spell it. They were in France, right? Mm-hmm. See? that's cheating

what she said spell it yeah okay yeah trying to get me off my square right away study it though study it though now I know that's the first word what's on spell it with the accent so that record

I guess they called it chains and whips and it ended up leaking because even like the 4K shit that they put out it was the highest quality of audio so the leak sounded like the shit was on DSPs love that record

so recently somebody on their TikTok took that audio and again Remember, this is a year and a half later. Put it on their TikTok, and then UMG did a copy strike, and it says what song it is. And it said clips, chains and whips featuring Kendrick Lamar, which has people thinking, because we know this clips album is coming out very soon, let God sort them out,

push your tea, wiped his Instagram away. Like, clearly we see something is coming. It appears like they submitted the record to UMG because the copyright strike happened right away, and it said the title of the song. And now it's featuring Kendrick Lamar. Okay. this was also the record that push was allegedly dissing Jim Jones on if you remember that whole back and forth so obviously

it's not going to be a push a T and Kendrick Drake fucking diss reply type thing but I'm sure it'll be painted that way I think all the bars that push is talking about Jim Jones on the internet you know the new new fans are going to disallow that to Drake 100% and I think anything Kendrick Lamar says which I don't think I think it's too obvious and corny if Kendrick and push get on a record and even mention anything to do with him. So I think this, the original was incredible.

So I love that Kendrick is going to be honest. And they're already what? One for one. Pushing Kendrick? They have another song? Looking at right now. Because that Kendrick verse is fucking insane. He broke down all quantum physics that Lord Jamar could not understand.

I know. I just keep going there. I'm sorry. No, I think nostalgia is the only one. So yeah, they're one for one already. Add malice into the mix. I'm excited. And like I said, with our 2025 predictions,

I think this Clips album is going to be rap album of the year contender. And I'm glad Kendrick is working on them. And does this tie into more of my... I got Leangelo Ball, batting a thousand. I said that Kendrick is not going to put out a new album is just going to go on a crazy feature on this year. So Kendrick on the Clips album

that could be rap contender of the year. if you guys just want to get the flowers now to save money because they're more expensive at the end of the year, I would just do it. Flowers being more expensive at the end. Same price. Same price. If not cheaper.

If you want to shop off season, I would do it now. They're actually the most expensive, like, going into now. Valentine's Day's coming up, babe. But I don't know. It pisses me off because it's obviously going just keep this whole Kendrick push Drake thing going, but I can't wait for this clips album because the two records that have leaked were top-tier clips shit.

I think, you know, if you grew up listening to the clips and, you know, this is an exciting time and knowing that the album is coming is done, obviously, anybody that's fans of the clips is looking forward to this project. This is something that I think we've been waiting for for a long time. So the fact that it's happening and this, you know, we know we're getting it soon. It's dope. I'm looking forward to hearing what they did. So if you remember a few months ago, I think it was push that had told somebody on some interview

or some clip that the album was done, master turned in, they were waiting for one more feature. And all of us, I think we even talked about it on the pod, that we thought it was Hove. But I feel like, if Hove gave clips a verse,

would that put Push-a-T as the highest hove features of all time? Besides Beyonce? Whiz, how many push-a, how many whole verses does Callet have? Oh, yeah. That might, yeah. You know what?

Now I think about it, that was a stupid-ass take. Sorry, Roy. I don't think it was a stupid-ass cake. Calid has a few whole verses. Because how many does Pusha have three? Yeah. Three or four?

No, not four. He has, um, drug dealer's anonymous. Um, what's off, uh, he has neck and wrist. Neck and wrist. And there's one more. Jay and Pusher?

Yeah. Oh, then this was an awful take. I apologize to everyone in the room. Yeah, I don't know. I felt like he had more than that. was just drug-guise and I'm missing neck and wrist. That would put him at three. Yeah, Khalid, Beyonce.

Shit, Memphis Bleak has more. You was just saying anything for real. You know what? We're taking accountability in 2025. Sometimes you come to a podcast and you have a thought that enters your mind in the moment that you didn't prepare for and you say some stupid shit.

So this is me apologizing. It's okay. I just said some dumb shit. It's okay. So I'm sorry. Accountability. I love it. I just still think as much as we know that Jay loves push

I think he got an offer for the clips album and was like, bro, I gave you two. I think I'll give someone else a feature soon than that. So I think, I think Kendrick was a- Jake could still be on the album? It's not, it's not. I just think Kendrick was the feature

they were talking about. That they were waiting on? Oh, that they were waiting on? Okay. Now, I think it was Kendrick. But do you think that Jay is not on the album at all? Nah. I don't think so.

I know. I heard he's been working out. Oh, where? I heard he's been working out. I mean, I heard the guy still in shape. Where's he been by tonight? I'm just, I don't know, man. I just heard he's still in shape, that's all.

Okay. So you heard he was going to be on an album. That's what I'm here. No, no, I didn't hear he was going to be on this album. But I heard that he's in shape. I heard he can still, I heard the guy can still rap is all I'm saying. I mean, duh. We need to get like a real life reaction if it ends up being Leangelo Ball remix.

Like Biggs was like, yo, Hope is in there. He's doing a big feature right now. He's in shape right now. He's about to shock the world. and we all like, yo, clips out, I'm about to be crazy with Hove. First he said, Pursa got most more and his whole versus than anybody. That was wrong. And now he wanted to give Leangelo a feature.

What's up with you in 25, man? I mean, Hove is giving features out. Like, what? What? Anyway. You just be saying anything. Exactly. He.

No, no, just stop. He, just stop. Just stop. Just stop. Take out, let's strip legendary status. what's a better record? Leangelo Ball or Usher Hot Totti? Don't do that.

Don't do that. You know, I love Hot Tadi. I'm one of the few people that loves it too, but that's my Nas hero. Like, there's records that I love that I know the world hates. And Hot Tottie is that one for you? I see why people think it's an awful record,

but we strolled to it in 2010, so it has a special place in my heart. I love Hot Tottie, so you go to like. But don't act like, if I could rack my brain better. Hove has definitely done a feature where you were like, yo, what the fuck? Oh yeah. Back in the day. Of course, yeah, but not recently, no. No.

That list of collabs is very short these days. Very short. Okay, so who do you think is the next whole feature? That is in the clips. I mean, there's only maybe three, maybe. Maybe if Cala is putting out another project. Maybe

if Beyonce has that type of record on her next project. All right, let's say someone he's never collab with Let's put that Never collab with? Yeah, and I also don't think I don't think he's giving Cal at another I don't want to say never collabed with

because I feel like that damn near eliminates the pool Yeah, like if he ain't never collabed with you I don't think he's gonna collab with you now None of these new artists is getting a verse from I could tell you that. Yeah, that's what I'm like, I don't... That kind of goes back to our There's no more stars

There's no one like up and coming That would be like yeah, that deserves Like when Hove got on a bitch don't kill my vibe Yeah Or you know when he got on Drake's light up. We don't, I can't think of an artist where.

Yeah, I don't see any of these new artists that Jay would collide with. I just don't, I don't see it. Rappers? I definitely don't see it. Yeah, I can't see him.

I can see maybe an R&B or, you know, one of those type of records and shit, Steve Lacey might get a feature with Jay before fucking any of these rappers get one late. I feel like if Dreamville Festgate didn't happen,

then possibly Cole could have got one. He already got it. said no collapse that they ever... No, Rory said that. I said that would eliminate the pole. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I mean...

We try to forget that, collect. He's one of those... He's one of the coals, obviously, on that list that would get a verse from Jay. Cole, but... Cole and... Mr. Nice Watch was not it. We got cheated out of a Jay Cole and Jay Z record. Like, they owe us a proper one.

Yeah, I would like to hear them on another... A newer record. That would fit, especially now if... Oh, wow. This is set up perfectly. I don't even think about this. Does this not fit the theme of the falloff? The rumors that we've heard

that Cole was getting features of artists that were popping that people have deemed fell off or whatever, or had their crazy run and their legends, but now people say they're falling off. With everything that's been happening allegedly with Jay-Z, if he addresses everything that happened in 2024

into 2025 on Cole's fall-off album, is that not the perfect setup? Because everyone's saying Jay-Z's going to fall off, He's a pedophile. He's like, come on. Him addressing everything on the fall off would be incredible. It would be. That would be the perfect stuff for the J. Cole and JZ record that we've deserved.

Yeah, I don't think it's going to happen, but it could be. It would be. It would be amazing. But I don't see it. I wish it, but I don't see it. Ma. Nah. It's not happening.

It's just not happening. He barred us up in every response on Instagram. You don't think he's been putting those words in syllables together? No. I think we get another J album before we get another feature. Okay. I guess I could say. I'm believing, I'm believing Mall because I feel like Maul has like inside detail. No, no, no, no. I don't, I don't, I don't hear of him recording anything or nothing like that.

I mean, he's, I think he's always going to rap and have bars. But I don't, I haven't heard of him laying no verses though. Like just, I heard he's rapping though. I heard this niggas is playing beats and he got he flowing, but it ain't recorded. It's just like hanging out. Well, he need to get up off the couch and do something other than babysit them kids for real. Because Beyonce out here working like a slave. Babysit them kids?

Those are his kids. Babesitting his own kids? It's a running internet joke that Beyonce is like the hardworking woman in relationship. And Jay Z's like the nanny. Oh, they think Jay don't do no. They think Jay don't work? We know Jay. No, I'm just saying that's the internet is trying to paint that narrative.

It's just a joke. No, I get it. It's a big. I think he should own a stay-at-home dad shit. I think it's great. If I was him, yeah. I want to go drop the kids off and go get a kid. chide and go to Pilates.

Oh, no, his little walking club. That he does. Since he brought it up and I did. His little walking club is crazy when all them niggas is billionaires walking up to black. Oh, they got a nice little walker. Those gentlemen are worth $8 billion combined. Okay.

Since mall brought it up, I feel comfortable talking about it because I didn't want to be the one to say things. I've already gotten in trouble last year of saying things I wasn't supposed to say from artists. Now that you're saying that. I didn't say nothing. It's actively working. I didn't say he was working.

I said he's listening to beats. I said he was listening to the beats and just rapping for the homies. Okay. Agreed. Here he comes with something. I watched this. I'm saying the same thing that you're saying. Oh, okay.

All right. How much would you guys clown me if I told you that I did send a pack over and didn't get a reply? Of course he did. Two up. Of course he did. You thought you was going to get a J verse? No, not for my album. For his album.

I was so, I was so. I was told by somebody to send a pack. That Jay was working and said, yeah, let's put a pack together. And I said, yeah, let's do it. Oh, okay, okay. Sending just beats. Yeah. Oh, okay.

I sent a few, like, records with hooks and certain stuff. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, no, that's, yeah. Why not? He's listening. He'll listen to it. You might get a response, like, like, at the end, like, when he's ready to put the album out. He can't take the chance.

So you're saying, I would be the PSA, like right before he's about to turn in the black. I never said that. He just sent you to send you to link. I would be that last. song to like complete the process. I see what you're not. Y'all appreciate you, man. People say you're not my friend

and you don't support me. I appreciate this. You think I would have that last record. Who said that? Who said that? Who said I was his friend? Because everyone knows that Black album was done. He was doing interviews,

listening sessions. And then just the ladies came in who you just compared me to. It's exactly who you compared to you. And he was cooking something up and Jay was like, this is what is missing. So he's going to listen to my pack right at the end. And he's like, now I feel comfortable putting this out,

this body of work. No, your shit was probably, definitely some dirt but what I'm saying is that Jay Z. This shit was some dirt you sent Jay a dirt back. Say him some bunk. You said that nigga some Reggie. You're like,

Reggie out my inbox. I just feel like Jay would completely like have the album done before he let any of the producers know that he used their beat. That's what I'm saying. I just feel like Jay has

outside of what more can I say and we only know that because we watch him and guru listen to beat tapes. It's been pretty internal crew. Always. Yeah. Oh, you're saying I'm part of the internal crew.

I bet. See? Yeah. That's why I fuck. Duceypalo. That's, yeah. Dirtpack. Are we friends? Dirtpack. You're comparing me to old dirty, right?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Friends, man. They really encourage your dreams and shit. Oh, my God. Y'all can't come to the album release party if I'm believe. Pige is my only plus one. It's Pige and no one else.

You're not invited. Holy shit. Oh, man. You think if you get on the album, you invite it? If I don't get on the album, I'm invited. What are you talking about? Get your shit off. Oh, shit.

Get your shit off. You're going to put, never. It was a good shot. You can keep it and I'm not even mad at it. I get you, hey, one of the air, air. Oh, now you even leave me hanging. My bad. It was a, it was low hanging fruit.

I don't like low hanging. Listen, man. It happens. This is where I'm sorry to do a callback to Leangelo Ball, but this is where I think it's personal because I just heard Plac Boy Max by Favio Forrin, and Maul was fine with it. This isn't killing music, right?

He twirled a little bit when I played it. I wasn't fine with this. I looked at you like y'all was crazy for playing this shit. What are y'all talking about? It's not bad. Are you going to be mad at me if I'm kind of like this record, too? No, man. I told you, 2025.

D-Z. It's not bad. Sexy drill? I'm not these rappers. I got real bands. Yeah. He's not these rappers. He got real bands.

He said in my real name, Max, and I really got plaques. I'm the real plaque boy Max. Till Kais to not react to that. Nigger, never say I'm whack. Hickory, dickory, doc. The mouse ran up the fucking clock. Y'all have some haters. I haven't said anything yet.

I still haven't said any. Y'all are playing this record that I didn't hear. I'm like, okay. That's what's up. All right. everyone wants to hate, but coming off that moment that was so big for the kids on streaming, he shouldn't capitalize on it. That's not a good angle to go with. Because even Placboy Max went on his stream and reacted to it. And I'm not going to, yeah, I'm going to say it. I think he knew already

because he was sitting there like, yo, is this a shout out or is this beef? I think he heard it and loved it. And this is just part of a whole rollout. And Matt, he's just part of it too. I don't think it's part of a whole roller. I think you... Rollout for a record can be two days. in this era. But I don't think that that's it. They react to moments and put out records. Okay, yeah, but that's not a rollout. A rollout is planned. It means that he went on that stream planning to be for-

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, first of all, let's not do that. Back to our conversation where all labels are doing are just going after moments and data. Now we're not about to say rollouts are not reactions. Rollouts are not always planned. The best rollouts now are reacting to what's currently happening at the moment. Then that's not a rollout, right? I mean, I think it's both. Some rollouts are planned and some it happens, something happens and they be like, okay, let's use this moment to kind of get, you know, go off this momentum and capitalize.

Like, so I think it goes both ways. Rollouts are planned and rollouts can be spontaneous as well. Some of the best ones in this era are reactive. And I don't think they plan that smoking thing, but they all capitalized off it. At this point, let me just make a sexy drill record with him as the hook. I don't think this is going to like work at the hookah lounge, but it'll work with. some views right now. Really?

I actually think this song will work and most people who are listening to it won't know what it's about. I feel like we know what like this Plaqu Boy Max shit is because we have to talk about it because of our job. But I think when this song plays

like in the hookalounge, I think people will just like it. No, I think it's an actual, it's a good song, but because everyone's not going to catch the point of the hook, I don't know, is that going to work? Is that the hook though or is that just a bar?

I think that's just a bar. I don't think it's the hook, That was the pre-hook? You think Favio got like a bridge game? I promise you we don't need to be breaking down a Favio. Okay, let's break it down. He said his real name, Max, did you go to his Wikipedia? Because his real name isn't Fabio foreign.

I didn't know if you knew that. That's not his government name. I think I knew that. You never know. No, I know that. So his actual real name is Max and Plaque Boy Max. Ma. He's the guy he was talking to.

And he's saying, not only that, I have plaques. Maul, the purpose of us bringing this up is because we were asking is our Are streamers the way to clout now? Like the younger kids, is this the way to clout? Is this going to become the new thing? The new thing is the thing now. Yeah. They're going to capitalize off this moment.

The name of the song is probably going to be Plack Boy Max. People are going to click it. You know, stream it. Plack Boy Max is probably going to talk about it on his platform. He's probably going to listen to it on his platform. He has a bunch of people listening and watching him on his platform. I get it. Put yourself in the ecosystem.

on plaque boy max i'm the real plaid this has been the thing if rick ross was 20 years old right now the hook would go i think i'm casa not aiden ross that would be the hook it wouldn't be big mitch and larry hoover it would be i'm cacin not i promise you that in this era the streamers of the drug dealers i promise you that that would be the way to go that would not be the hook i can promise you that y'all don't think right now that the way quote unquote and i hate the word clout is not to go with the streamers this is not a new concept i'm not saying it's a good concept this is seven eight years in now. Yeah, but every,

some artists aren't putting out dope songs and they're not, the hook is not who the streamers are. Artists are literally releases songs and music and albums right now and none of them are talking about a prize winner brought up a streamer in the biggest battle in rap history.

This is the, this is the world we're in. So yeah, this is, of course, Fabio's going to sit there and go, let's do this shit. He wasn't the hook, though. Well, I mean, there was only one hook.

I'm not saying, I'm not saying they're not going to be mentioned in a song. Of course. Like, Kai is going to be mentioned in all these other streamers. They'll be mentioned in songs, yeah. But I'm making the streamers name the hook. I mean, I don't think it's that far-fetched in the hip-hop that we grew up on that has made names be hooks.

They just weren't streamers. They were drug dealers. Okay. Streamers are the new drug dealers? 100%. Okay. I feel like you are, like, quite literally jumping out the window. Just like.

I'm not saying streamers are the new drug dealers. 2025? You hear to listen to all eyes. Get it off. Okay. Has there not been in the hip-hop we grew up in, a huge stat was to be connected to somebody that was actually legitimate industry, a legend.

We saw 50s whole rollout outside of How to Rob was the thing with Prime. Every single, Jay-Z with Calvin Klein, like every rapper has Cam, Lou Sims. Those are very prominent people to the culture at that time. You don't think that these younger, kids that grew up on the internet, don't view streamers the same way? I mean, as far as them

being like big and making money and that type of thing? That could help their career. Yeah, but I don't know if it's the same. Yes, streamers are very successful. Some of them are making a lot of money, more money than these artists. I don't know if that means the fans are looking at them the same way guys that were in the streets looked at drug dealers. I'm saying the legitimacy of being next to them what it can do for your country. career and your reputation because the younger generation does value different things than the older generation. And to them, these streamers have a lot of validity.

So putting an artist next to them, yeah, that puts them on the same way that it used to with a drug dealer. I mean, I get that for younger kids. 5-04 and 34, though. Points were made. Wait. You don't think there's prominent. streamers right now that appeal to the kids that aren't older than Fabio?

Because I know streamers that lie about their age and they're older than me that are prominent with the kids. So what are y'all talking about? There's older. Not every streamer is Kai. It's not about the streamers. I'm talking about Fabio being 34 in doing this. He's too old to be doing this. That's what I'm doing. Kevin Hart is in the basement every other night. He's seen Kai more than his kids.

So what, like... He went to that basement one guy. He's seen Kaum more than his kids is crazy. He's going way more sleepover than them. He did that stream one time. No, he didn't. Maybe twice. Maybe twice.

He did it once for a full night, the way like offset number did. But didn't they do it? Wasn't they in a movie together? I feel like. Probably. I'm sure the rock they went to Jumanji or something. I don't know. I'm sure.

I feel like Kai and Kevin Hart might have did a movie together. I don't think so, but. Yeah. I mean, a lot of these actors are an actor at first. But I think, nothing surprises me, but. I think, I think they did a movie together. they was in a movie together, something like that.

No, I think he's probably promoting a movie. But either way, yeah, Kevin's been on. He was there for the whole month stream shit. What's wrong with older people hanging out with streamers? No, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I'm just saying back to your point of people that watch streams and looking at them the same way, you know, guys in the streets looked at the drug, the big drug dealers. I don't think that's the same. But I do understand what you're saying.

Like, they are the new, you know, people to look up to the new celebrities, the new, you know, and they people want to be like the kids want to stream they want to do that just like dudes in the streets wanted to rap and sell drugs and you know i get that too like it's the lifestyle and a lot of like let's not pretend a lot of rappers make it a little later in their life but still appeal to the kids even with our rap generation like i mean 50 was the same age as a lot of rappers that were looked at as veterans or washed off his first album like 50's 29 right there Fat Joe had a great career before, but when he popped, popped,

number one, 106 in Park, TRL, all that shit, Fat Joe was the same age as Hove. Like, as his contemporaries, and Hove was like, all right, cool, that's a veteran over here. Some rappers pop late. Favio, I think, appeals to the kids, even though he's my age.

Oh, no, for sure. He definitely appeals to a younger crowd than an older crowd. Without a doubt. Joey Baddaz's younger than him, I think appeals to an older crowd. Like, I don't know. don't think age matters. I think perception matters.

The type of music that you're making at the time. Yeah, yeah. All of that matters. Yeah, so, I don't know. Um, I do really want to get into this Lord Jamar, flat earth thing, but I can see that Demaris wants to go to voicemails. I feel like the Lord Jamar thing will be better on Patreon because we can play the clips. That's why. Okay. Yeah. This, we're not really going to be able to pay the clips like that. We're going to get to voicemails. Tune into our Patreon for the Spelling Bee plus Lord Jamar versus Professor Dave on the flat earth theory. You've got mail.

So I kind of have a voicemail today before we get to the recorded ones. I got a wild comment on one of my photos, which then was a DM. I didn't really vet this yet, but I did want to bring it to our voicemail segment. This gentleman, I won't say his name. He said, what's up, Roy? I recently went viral for getting choked out by Scotty Pippen. Stopped. I was walking down the steps to the train.

And I stopped what I was doing between two homeless people to continue to read the beginning of that request DM. I recently went viral for getting choked out by Scotty Pippen. On board already. It has since kind of ruined my life, laughed my ass off. Now I'm even more intrigued because I didn't know. How does that ruin your life? I've watched a pair of flip-flops ruined Scotty Pippen's life,

so I'm just curious what happened with this guy. I'm an aspiring musician who doesn't know how this will affect my career. It helped with futures. So was an aspiring musician. I make really good music, and I don't want this video to overshadow that. I've been watching you guys for years,

and I just like some advice. So I had scrolled past over the weekend, a headline that said Scotty Pippen chokes someone out I saw it. I think I did see that. So naturally, I went to the video when I got here. Me, DeMaris, were watching.

It checks out. This is the same fucking guy. Okay. Ma, have you seen it? I think I've seen this black and white. I didn't click on it, but I think I did see something about Scotty Pippen choking somebody. Well, that's why you know he's an artist because he made it black and white.

Yeah. I remember asking my girl. Did she want to be with me? Bro, Scotty Pippen asked my girl, this she was, look. That's all. Pimping. Well, I'm future. I'm future.

Yeah, I feel to. Ooh. You see how quick he walked away. Also, shout to his gentleman. He's been a long time fame. Nothing about that video goes, I'm going to check your music out

or I'm not going to check your music out. That wasn't a deciding factor for me. I was wondering how drunk Scotty Pippin was. Yeah, that wasn't even the career. I thought you said choked out. I'm thinking Scotty, like, roughed him up. Well, if you see the way that he did it.

What I did see some people comment and say was that like, yo, they're like gay. Like, that's gay. Like, what they're doing? I think that's what he's concerned about. This video wasn't like an assault. No, it's like, why you hold on my neck like that seductively? Yeah, it's like Scotty didn't only just want his girl. Like he wanted to do some swings.

Why Scotty bit his tongue like that after you said because I'm pimping? Pimpin. That's the drunk guy at the resort that wants to join the threesome. That's what he was doing. He didn't just want his girl. So Scotty Pimper was trying to talk to his girl. Yes. And clearly him.

He said, he stopped saying that. He liked it rough and then said, I'm pimping. So he- Pimping means you was going after both of them. He did leave a voicemail. He left a voicemail. I heard it earlier, but it cut off. So that's why I didn't play it. I just had you read it.

But he said that before, Scotty was just walking around and him and his girl saw him. And his girl didn't know who that was. Like, he was like, you don't know who that is? I guess, like, Scotty was talking to her. She wasn't acknowledging. Like, okay, like, whatever, your friend's weird. let's go. And then Scotty start like,

yo, come home with me. Like, trying to bag her because I think his ego got hurt that she didn't know who he was. But that girl's probably like fucking 26.

Like she doesn't know to fuck Scottie Pippen is. Wait, so a strategy when your ego is hurt of someone that doesn't know me means like come home with me. Yeah, get to know me. Yeah, get to know me.

Once you come to my crib, you see my jerseys, my trophies, you're going to know exactly why I am. I can see the part if she knew who he was and was like, oh my God,

that's Scotty Pippin and his response was, yo, come home with me. But if someone doesn't know me, I don't be like, yo, just come to my crib, then. Come get the normal. Come to my house. You would have know who I am? All right.

So, Scotty Pippin walking around Dolo, that looked like New York, right? Who was Chicago? Oh, Chicago. Okay. He's just walking around by himself, dead drunk in Chicago? Chilling. Why not? I guess.

Yeah, everybody bothered. He's a fucking Chicago legend. Scott, he could walk around Chicago drunk. What's your advice to him? Like, what should he do in case he ever holds up? Weird turtleneck. Ma. All right, my bad.

I'm sorry. All right. So he already had a, I guess, somewhat good response. He brought Future into the mix after he felt like he was disrespected. He disrespected Scotty. I feel like you take that, that footage, loop it, find a future beat, and freestyle about the entire thing. Oh, Lord. Thank God.

Nobody's manager. Cloud chasing is crazy. Terrible. Take that, loop that, loop to getting choked out and turn that into the... Okay. Okay, Damaris, what should he do? He should stay true to the culture and put out a Boombap record and go with the slow game. He has a moment.

And yeah, I'm not about to say do shitty raps over the freestyle. He says he's good at music. So why wouldn't you take this moment? Who's ever said I'm terrible at music? We're taking his word for. He's a lifelong fan. In my opinion, he's Prince. But why don't some of these aspiring artists say, I'm terrible at music?

I would respect that. If they be like, y'all, I might listen to you if you tell me you terrible. like, yo, I'm trash, but you know, whatever. Remember when that strategy kind of took over Instagram, when people would go in their comments and be like, am I trash or am I dope? Tell me. I remember that.

People tried to use that psychology before. Like, yo, everyone says I'm trash. Prove them wrong. Or like. Well, Roy, what's his Instagram? Because I'm sure he has music on his Instagram. Let's see if he's trash. Like, let's judge it.

Because he keeps saying, and the only reason why I'm open to judging if it's trash is because he keeps saying it's really, really good. He keeps throwing out there. They all say they're really, really, really. good. This is still love you. Before Scott, he took me out. before the thing.

But I get you to the pain. Your friends talk a lot, but they don't know how far we came. They don't know about the love I gave you. All right. I think he's terrible. I don't think he's terrible. I think there's some things to tweak. And obviously there's room for improvement, but let's not come out the gate and say that's absolutely awful based off the music we stumble across on Instagram.

And if he's talking about the same girl that he was out with, I see why Scotty tried to spoof in. He's been doing her wrong the entire time. Don't he got a picture of his girl on his IG. Oh shit. Yeah, let's really get into it for real. Let's see if Scotty got a type. Let's really get into it for real. Wait, don't do that.

I think he has kids. Oh, no. We ain't going to show her. No, he's a rapper. He ain't got her on there. He only has a photo of Megan Good No picture his girl No

So that probably wasn't even his girl He probably saw a girl that was cute And tried to holl in and saw this Gotti Nah, he said that was his girl He lied He also said he was good at rapping Yo Yo

All right man That was better than your napkin pole Fire, right That was fire right That was fire right Yeah Yo Y'all pay me to be the bad guy here man

I just do gotta start being honest with people. I'm not putting no, that shit trash, man. Turn that shit off. I don't even want to say that. It's trash. I'm not going to say that. Made it through the sunshy. Made it through the rain.

All right, you and 70,000 other rappers did, nigga. I'm just saying. You're saying he rhymed girl in world? I'm only saying this because he called in and said like, my shit is really, really good. And I don't want this to fuck up my rap career, baby. What career? Baby. Okay.

Hang it up. You got on screen. You don't think that there's been plenty of people that have just been, they've become the meme? Like maybe he wants to be known for his music and not known as the guy that was, I'm not even going to say choked. He was, he was caressed by Scotty Pippen. He's cloud chasing. What's cloud chasing? No, he's not cloud chasing. He said he don't want to be known as that. Yet he deems Rory in hopes of us talking about it on our platform so that people can now hear his music because we would have never heard about this nigga before Scotty choked the shit out.

You were a little crabby off this juice. I'm just saying, I'm just trying to be real. Like, let's be honest here. This is all clout. Hey, yo, Scotty Pippin choke me. Is there not... Listen to my music. What the fuck is that? Is there not respectable ways of cloud chasing? I'm not saying it's not.

Because at the end of the day, cloud chasing... Now at this point is just trying to get attention off a moment. Is that not marketing at this point? Yeah, but what is he marketing? His music. His music ain't good. Well, first of all, I was trying to market his music. DeMaris thought that was the worst manager move ever, which is insane.

Well, now that I've heard the music, what you did, even if he was nice, why wouldn't he do that? If you are good at music and you have a moment where people are paying attention, why would you not say, hey, I also do this? A real, a real... No, the real moment would have been if Scotty put his hands around his neck and he pushed like, you'll, get the fuck off me. If I can put your hands up, that would have been the...

He sat and acting like, I'm future. Oh, listen to my music, Rory. I think he was in the moment, like... The fuck out of here with this clout chasing bullshit. I think he was a little nervous that somebody fucking six and nine grabbed his throat in public. Man, Scotty Pippenobin' drunk ass would have grabbed my throat, nigga, I wouldn't be in Rory's inbox to my, yo, listen to my music. It's really good.

And Scottie Pippman choked me. He said, Scotty Pippen choked me. And I don't want it to fuck up my rap career because my music is really good. I just wanted to go to Arizona, Martin. It's the same shit. We got to get them all a piece of pizza. What the fuck? I'm not.

I'm just tired of the bullshit. Why y'all see it acting like, yo, you can't see how. Yo, Scotty did choke him and his music is, yo, cut the bullshit, my man. That shit is trash. Scottie didn't really choke him. He cloud chasing on the moment. And here we are on our platform with 800 million people listening playing this trash-ass shit. So it worked.

Exactly. Cloud chasing. He's a marketing genius. Do you guys want to hear another voicemail or do we need to go get mallocene? Which is the last day his juice cleanse. I'm mean as fuck. I'm not. I'm chilling.

Why you keep saying I'm being mean? I'm being honest. I'm not being mean. I'm being honest. So you being honest like this all year. Is this what I'm going to look forward to? Well, I'm going to listen to the lies. but then I'm also respond to the lies as well.

That's all. Okay. Yeah. Trying to see if we have any mutuals. You and that gentleman? See who else is up on this? No. He follows them all, though.

He don't follow you? Yeah, he follows me. Oh, okay. Does he follow me? If he don't follow me, then fuck him. Yeah, no, he doesn't. Damn. So you think it's trash now?

That shit was dirt. I thought it didn't. But I didn't want to say it. You feel me? See? See? Look, look how fast we all on the same page. Look how fast we all.

You're welcome. I was on the same page. My ink was invisible. But I was on the same page. My ink was invisible. Do we have another voicemail demar? We do. I'm going to ask you if you wanted it for a minute.

You feel me? Pause. Yeah. I love the pod. We're watching this episode of one. My name Mailman, by the way. So my question is, you know, weird. I don't want to watch regular shows,

but I'd rather watch, like, the dramatic, like, you know, reality shows. I can watch some shit. like alternate them or like, like, love to blonde or, like, you know, baddies. I can watch that shit all day long with my girl. But, like, my niggas be, like, recommended, like, shows. Like, bro, you should watch this, all this.

I don't care about, I guess, normal TV, like, shows. It's a lot of, like, you know, I can say, quote-un-quote good shows. You know, it's a lot of, like, you know, shows that people have recommended that have no interest in watching. Like, I'll probably get, like, two episodes and I'll put with this shit more. But, like, niggins to get on my case

because I'll, you know, I'll watch the poppy balloon shit on YouTube. I don't know, just something about those real, like, that real people have a real interaction, like, skip and acting. This got dark, quick. That shit's kind of, I don't say it's 20,

but it's like, I don't know, nix can't act no more. I don't want to watch that shit. I might be, like, big is all baddies. So, is that weird? Am I chuckle? I think it's a little weird because we are at probably the golden age of TV.

I don't think there's been a better time and TV ever than now. But I mean, I get you got to turn your brain off sometimes after work and watch bullshit. I do it too. I just want to know why your name is Mailman. That was my only question. The ironic part of this voicemail is he said, man, niggas be trash actors. Like, I want to watch like real life shit and he said like pop the balloon of baddies. They're not acting. You like chicken heads, sir. But watching horrors make fools of themselves. Horrors are some of the most genuine people though. Okay.

All them shows are scripted too. That's why I'm like... Baddies ain't scripted. No way they handed them bitches scripted. Some of them bitches wasn't in wheelchairs. Baddies ain't scripted. It's no way they scripting that shit.

But it's set up. None of that stuff is real life. It's just not real life. They create the circumstance and, you know, but then they let them be exactly who they are. And like, you'll let's put them in this position. They argue for five minutes and then go down

to the front room, get in a circle and fight. some of the best shit ever to hit TV. And even like ultimatum and all that, there's no way that's not acting that you're on your knees

proposing to somebody that you've never seen. That's acting. I mean, we had Clay here. That wasn't... Yeah. He wasn't acting. He left her on the altar.

Yeah, he was acting the whole time. Yeah, that nigga was Denzel. He acted like he wanted to marry it? Yeah. I guess you were right. And then he acted with Selena. Acting like he didn't fuck him?

Exactly. Clay might be the best actor we've ever seen in our lives. That's real acting, sir. You need to go watch. You're watching some great acting. We prove this fucking point. Yeah, you just don't know that it's great acting,

but you're watching some great actors. Absolutely. Clay is a great actor. That is fucked up, though, because as much as I do like turning my brain off, there's so much great TV that can enhance your brain. But why you say this is the golden age of TV? I don't agree with that.

In the past decade, you don't think there's been a better volume of TV shows in our history? It's the golden age of TV. TV is outdoing movies. They're getting better budgets. People are more focused on TV series right now that they've... That's the streaming.

A-less actors for the first time outside of George Clooney and ER are going to go do TV. That's never happened before. Yeah, that's still TV, just because it's streaming. That's like... Yeah, but I think that it's a... I just don't know. I feel like it was just... I don't know.

I feel like it was just better shows as far as like when we were younger growing up. I think it was better shows on TV. When I say it's important. possible. I mean it by like the production. I don't want to say the production. There's more shows now for sure, but I don't know if there's better. There's more money put into shows now. Like the quality is better. Like what shows can you think of that you think is better than a show now? Like comparison type of show wise. Like insecure. I mean, we did a sitcom. We did a best top sitcoms draft. I don't know if any of the sitcoms we named that there's a better

sitcom on TV right now than half of those sitcoms we name. Because there aren't really sitcoms on anymore other than Abbott Elementary. But that's what I'm saying. So how could you say this is the golden age of TV? That's for sitcoms. There's so many other genres of TV. Yes, but there's so many other genres of TV. Sitcoms is not the only genre.

But even suspense. You go back to suspense shows back in the days in the 90s, early 2000. I just think that it was a lot of great shows. Now, we have more shows. I think we have streaming platforms like Netflix and Amazon. These platforms that have these shows. Yes, I think there's more shows. But I don't know if there's,

That means they're better, though. There was not a better show, better black TV show than insecure when we were younger. That did not happen. There was not a better fantasy show than Game of Thrones. That did not happen. Like, we have to be honest. And things are going to get like better, except for hip-hop. Hip-hop just declines.

But things are going to get better over time. And it's okay to say that. $L. $8 million. That's why hip-hoping declines. All is treating us like we negotiated that deal. You made a call. I made a call.

I made a call. I've seen you a little. tweet ended up on GQ. You made a call. Damn, your tweet ended up on GQ? Yeah, you made a call. GQ already put together the documentary about LeAngelo Ball. And I mean, yeah, my tweet was in there because, you know, I influenced the people. What can I say?

Influence the people to do some bullshit with a bullshit trash ass on. Okay. I'll make, back to our actual conversation. The comparison between, yes, sitcoms, but once, like, HBO series hit at the same time, nobody was like, yo, Frazier's better than the Sopranos. Now everything is the format of the Sopranos. Like, it's just all better because people are putting money into TV before, where sitcoms had a specific budget,

we're going to use three different sets, same actors, do it for 25 seasons, we'll stay in the red the entire time. Now all TV is based off what HBO was doing before. But nobody was like, yeah, man, I love my wife and kids, but the wire is not better. Like, that never happened. Now everything is based that way.

So TV is in the golden age. All of it is suspense drama with the highest form of budgets and the best actors. I think comedy has suffered. Mm-hmm. But drama, suspense, it's not even fucking close. I love Law & Order SVU. It's as classic as it could fucking go. It's not better than a night of.

It's not better than your honor. Well, that's completely different because... Well, I'm saying TV is so much different now, and it's just in a better space. SVU is fun to just throw on because it melts your brain, you can leave it on for an entire day. But it's also a different type of show.

I wouldn't compare it to that. SVU is a different type of show. And I'm saying you can't compare TV at all to anything going on. It's so much higher value in the writing and the acting and the budgets that, yeah, it's better. It's just better. I would compare to a new SVU to the OSVU

and the new SVU episodes, even though people who are hardcore fans would not agree with that, They are better than the original ones, like the new season because it's still going. SVU is still going. I don't know about that. I don't agree with us. That's why he stopped talking.

No, I'm listening. No, no, no. I think movies for sure, everything swapped. Movies from when we were younger, way better than movies now. 80s had some terrible movies. True. Robocop is the worst shit ever. Robocop almost killed movie.

Almost killed cinemas. Robocop. Robocop almost killed cinema. Watch Robocop now. How much did it sell? I'm sure a reboot is coming because that's all movies do now is just reboot the whole shit. That shit was terrible. Huh?

Robocop went over my head. Yo, they had the dude, the dude that had the hype BBL. All right. He was like 5, 6, and now he's like 6'1. The hype BBL. So they showed him, they showed his progress, like how he's walking and moving now. And he was on the treadmill. He was running like Robocop.

I'm like, yo, I don't know if this is selling the idea that dudes should go get like hype BBO. You look crazy while you run it. Robocop had a $13 million budget and grossed $53 million. That was one of the highest grossing movies at the time. For sure. Trash. I don't know if it tracks now. That movie stinks.

All of them shit. I think it was three Robocops, right? No, they did. No, they might have been four. Four Robocops? Yeah. trash all four of them shit damn they had video games comic books television series the video game was dope though i had nintendo video game i had the video game all right you guys have to allow me to get one conspiracy

off based off your hype bbl i get why elan wants to go to space but why are we not focusing on making all of us giants the things we could get done like if we can get that six foot guy to run better on the treadmill and get to the progress that all of us become 13 14 15 feet we're smoking any other country we're like we're elite you want to be 15 feet tall i mean think about the things that we could do you're a little slow ain't you're going to dunk what you're going to do at 15 feet what you're going to do every single religion any type of testament talking about the old they talk about giants there's even the conspiracy that the giants help build the pyramids we should be giants if we have all this technology why aren't we creating more giants all right so we're creating

fucking uh robots that are going to turn on us okay so giants in every uh kids storybook turn out to be very gentle creatures. Do you do understand that if we're all 15 feet, then everything has to change, the entire infrastructure of the world, like where we live, cars, how we travel, everything has to change. Yeah. I mean, we're talking about leaving the earth to go to Mars. Might as well just rebuild here as giants. Kanye said abolish all staircases with no evidence and that was with them. What's the point of these things? Stay off for the Professor Dave YouTube. That's what you do. While we were recording huge news. who's broke. No, Jim did not reply. Only fan model, Bonnie Blue says she has broken the world record

by sleeping with 1,057 men in 12 hours. Here is the photo of her holding her Will Chamberlain sign. She did it, man. Imagine if she was... Peege said yes. They're lying. Imagine if he's 15 feet. The body she could capture. No, she captured some bodies. She's lying. She's lying. She's lying. Not 50. 1,057. 12 hours. I wonder what her dad has to say about that.

You think she has a father? It'd be freaky bitches with fathers. Yeah, but how freaky, though? You think freaky girls can't have fathers? A thousand. Okay, in their lives. Say, yes, you had to, a man had to impregnate your mom, yes for sure. But are they active in your life?

Do they have, like, conversations daily? Do they, you know, did he raise you? Was he around? It's just tough. I think if I wanted to be a porn star, my dad would support me. I can guarantee you your dad would not support that. I've met your father. I think he would support me.

I can guarantee you your father would not support that. I'm going to ask him. Call him and ask him right now. We'll close on that note. Call him and just ask him and let's just hear his response. I'm about to call him to see. Would your father support you as a porn star? Oh, my God.

He dropped me off. As an adult, it's crazy. He'd be a vinerger. Dropping a grown man off. work. He had an answer. Would your mother support you? No.

God, no. My mother would support me for sure. No, she would not. I promise you, I'll call. Now, my mother, I'll call right now. If I wanted to be a porn star, my- Call your mom and say, Mom, I did my first porn scene.

I'm about to start my only fans. Let's just hear what she has to say about that. It's called Collabin. Let's just say what she had to say. Put it on speaker. I am. I'm going to refer to answer first, because she'd be saying some wild shit sometimes.

On the answer? On the pickup? What's wilder than saying, Mom, I just did my first porn scene? Like, yeah, you don't want to say a hello that. How the fuck y'all be answering the phone? She don't want us to hit a hello, but did she go ask her, she'll tell her she just did a porn seat. Mom, I have a question for you, okay?

And I want you to be honest. Okay, hold on. Mom, if I, I've really been thinking about it and I was thinking about doing porn, would you and Daddy still support me? Doing what? porn. What kind of porn? Like, not the, like, not the, like, Bukaki kind, but just like the one-on-one, like,

the respectable porn. You guys would support me, right? She had church right now. She hung up. Mom? She hung up. She died. You just killed your mother.

She's had a heart attack. Mom, shut up. Somebody hit the life alert. I have fallen and I can't get up. Because I'm going to say you're on you. Stop. For real, stop. Mommy.

She's not still on the phone. Yo, this has been a great episode. Thank you. I'm a tune to it. Wait. That's hope, man. She said what kind? My dad's called me back.

Hold on my dad. Part two. Why is it not working? Because your mom already hit the family group chat and said, call your daughter. She's on some bullshit. I can't breathe. You know. breathe. Oh shit.

That's your mom calling now too. What kind of Dad, I have a quick question for you. If I wanted to do like spicy movies, like porn, but just with women, would you still support me?

Dad? You know, the fucking confidence Jamaris has both my My parents, you. Shut up. Dad. Yes. Not right now.

Okay. Sorry. You said what? She's getting a talking to. Okay. I'll call you later. Love you, boy. Yo, dog, I can't breathe, dog.

What did he just say on the phone? You know what he said. No, he said, don't fucking play on my phone like that. No, he said the reason I ain't say nothing, he said because when you called me, I felt, I felt the energy in the room. I felt people in the room. And I was like, okay, not the time. He said, no, all right. He must be in a bad move.

Because usually he would have just answered and said, okay, DeMaris. Oh, my God. But what about mom? Yeah, I don't know what happened. I think her phone died. No. It was fully charged. It was on the charger.

Your parents ain't fucking with that, DeMaris. Whatever. What are you talking about? I can't even believe she tried to pump that. My parents was, no, they would not. Father definitely ain't supporting it. Mom's is like, whatever. Just get out.

No, she gave some energy there. said what kind of porn. She asked what kind of porn. And I just love that Demarison rights are not Bukaki. Like they've had that conversation before. Not that mom. I wouldn't do that. You raised me right.

Just lesbian porn. Oh my God. Either way, man. It's been great talking to y'all a crazy bunch of people here, man. It's just lesbian porn. You're doing porn. No. If she was passionate about that, you're going to tell her she can do it?

Yeah. She can rebel and do it anyway. Yo, that is fucking. At least I said no on a podcast. Right. All right, well, it's been fun, been real. Thank y'all for tuning in. Shout out to Bonnie Blue, the legend.

This is a day. Everyone remembers this day, January 13th when she broke the record. We're going to tell our grandkids, we knew exactly where we were. This is the new January 6th. It's the new 9-11. Yes. This is it. The new 9-11.

You remember exactly where you were. You're going to remember where you were when Bonnie broke the record. Yeah. With Tauti on a couple days, be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigger. He's just ginger. Peace. A win is a win.

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