New Rory & MAL - Episode 352 | Red Flags

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

Top of the top! Mal was outside this weekend, and tells his story of why that is such a rare occurrence. Lebron James wanted SMOKE over his legacy - and we discuss whether he was in the right or not, as well as what our boundaries are when it comes to critiques of our loved ones. Doechii went on ‘Hot Ones’ with her DJ and caused quite a stir with one of her takes, and added insult to (Rory’s) injury when she got to stand on stage with Lauryn Hill.Gelo & GloRilla have dropped their long anticipated collab, and you already know how we feel about it. We also discuss Antonio Brown’s Fyre Fest announcement, AD’s (Love Is Blind) new engagement (Clay, you good?!?), + the return of a voicemail asking for love advice. For MORE Rory & Mal, make sure you subscribe to our Patreon community, for exclusive episodes, first access to tickets and merch sales, private live chats with the team, + more! https://www.patreon.com/newrorynmal Follow Rory: @ThisIsRory Follow MAL: @MAL_ByTheWay Follow Demaris: https://linktr.ee/demarisg To watch the podcast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALYouTube Don’t forget to follow the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/NewRoryAndMALSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The volume. Happy Top of the week. Top of the top. Another week, another pod. Yes, sir. Happy Women's Month. Is it Women's Day or Women's Day? It was Women's Month.

I was looking at Demerish. I mean, I'm heterosexual, so it's always Women's Month for me. We'll get to that. down. Well, no, I'm just saying. Every day, every month is women's month. Well, happy belated International Women's Day to me. Of course. That's what it is. International Women's Day. But isn't March Women's Month as well? So there's Women's Day in Women's Day. February is Women's Month because Valentine's Day, obviously. No, women's history month. Women's History Month is in March.

International Women's Day. Yes, Women's History Month is March. Like Black History Month, but Women's History Month is March. International Women's Day was the other day when y'all didn't wish it to me. We weren't with you. We're supposed to, like, call you and text you? Y'all text everything else in a group chat? I've never text happy International Women's Day in a group chat in my life. Well, you know, next year it could be a start.

Like, I've never... Oh, so maybe solo text you at? I've never, no. I've never text anyone happy International Women's Day. Well, I don't see it on Google Calendar here, so you should blame them. Yeah, and then it was daylight saving, so it was kind of like... Yeah, it was all out of whack, that one hour. Yeah, it was like...

It threw everything off. It threw everything off. thing is completely out of control. And they got rid of the DEI shit. So, you know, is it even a day? I don't know. I don't know what day it is. No, keep it up.

I can hear you humming over there. Somebody told me the New Year starts in March. I'm totally confused just everything I was told as a kid. Spring starts in March. And that's spring and airy season is technically the beginning of the year. Yeah, well, I've seen those YouTube conspiracy rabbit holes of like when the calendar year really starts. I don't know.

I don't know what's going on anymore. It's a simulation. I know the first is every month is what I do know. I mean, I know in this neighborhood, they start. celebrated New Year's Eve at a different time. So I was really confused. Yeah. I don't know what's going on anymore.

Yeah, we're here. But whatever you believe in, you know, congrats. Yeah. And good luck. Congrats. Congrats on international women's. Congrats on, you know, International Women's Day, women's History Month.

Yeah. Celebrate that. Celebrate women in their history. We appreciate all that women have done for us, including birth us. And continue to do for us. Thank you. This earth. You guys are awesome.

I think the great James Brown said it's a man's world, but it would be nothing without a woman. He said a lot of things. Yeah, yeah, he said a lot. You want to continue on with more things that he said? Yeah, he said a lot and did a lot. Yeah. Anyways, how was your weekend?

Weekend was good, man. I heard you got crazy in the streets. That's what I was told. I got crazy. Yeah, a little text message that you was outside. Oh, yeah, I was outside. Oh, I just made that up. Look, I caught him.

No, I was outside, but I wasn't like outside. Well, it was a little bit outside. I went to the Catholic High School Championship game at Fordham University. Oh, fire. It was that Sunday. Who was it? It was against St.

Rays and Steppenack. Okay, not much has changed. Yeah. Rays is still St. Rays? Well, no, this is St. Ray's first time in the championship in probably 13 years.

Really? Yeah, so it was like their first time in the championship about 13 years. Steppenack has been dominating. This is their third straight Catholic high school championship. It was a really good game.

St. Ray's had it, man. It was up six for like a minute, 10 seconds left in the fourth quarter, gave up a three. Then they came back. down and got an and one on the layup, tied the game, went into overtime, and the Steppenack was able to win in overtime. But shout out to St. Ray's. Shout out to my guy, B. Stores, his son, Brandon St. George's Jr., is now the all-time leading score at St. Raymond's.

Oh, nice. So, you know, it was good. I was hoping they won it. You know, and he ended his high school career with a championship, but they lost by two. But he still had a great high school career. He's on the Georgia Tech, man. So good luck to him. Shout out to my family, B. Stores and his entire family. Did you see any this is going to sound crazy? Any young men you wanted to invest in? You know, like all the drug dealers find the basketball player, guide them

so they can eventually extort them. Did you say any potential talent out there? Oh, it was a lot of talent, man. There's a lot of good kids. Theo Ratliff's sons, they play for Steppenact. They're probably about seven feet already. Oh my God, I'm getting they're like junior. I'm getting, fucking old. Theo Ratliss son is in high school? Yeah, they're both

like seven feet tall. Of course. I think they're junior. So that whole Stepping Act team, I think is coming back again. I don't think they had any seniors. I think they made maybe one senior. But yeah, they even dominated. They've been dominating the Catholic high school league. It's usually stepping back in Christ the King in the championship,

but this year St. Ray's was able to make it. But they just felt a little short. But it was a good game. And then we went out, I went uptown. They had me doing things I really don't do no more, man. I went to all. I went to like two spots. I haven't been to in probably seven years.

They had hookah? It was hookah. Oh, man. There was TVs with the games on. It was bottles of champagne coming out. I was like, I have not been outside in New York City like that in a long time. But it was cool to catch up with some of my homies that I haven't seen in a while. Oh, I mean, we got to, I got to hit Loyon and see what's up with the bill.

How many sparklers you had sent your way? No, I literally, the first spot we went to, we was in there for, I was in the problem. That was in the malls, Bill. No, I was in there for like 10 minutes, and then a fight broke out. And everybody tried running out the front. And I looked at my man, I was like, I'm a holl at child. Like, I don't even do that. Once soon as I'm in the spot and it starts getting shaking and I'm only there for 10 minutes.

And my thing is, it was probably 4.30. In the morning? No. Oh. It looks like you were outside. No, like five o'clock in the evening. Yeah. Like you're uptown to me?

Yeah, but I'm just like, who is fighting at five o'clock inside of a lounge? Like, who's doing that? I mean, daylight savings hadn't happened yet, so it was getting a little dark. Oh, it did. Oh, it was on Sunday. Yeah. Oh, got you got you. Yeah, it's kind of wild.

It's five o'clock sunshine and nice day out. And you, who's fighting at five o'clock? Some of those hookah spots, especially like the hole in the wall ones, it can get dark in there, Even during the day. No, this wasn't a hole in the world. This is like a known spot uptown. When fights break out in those spots and I'm more in the back, I think it's safer to just duck under a table like a pussy

and let everyone try to get out that door. I'm just going to go down. Yeah, me and my boy was in the back. And as soon as it calmed down in the front. It gets trampled and then shot. No, we left. As soon as it calmed down, it was like, all right, everything cool outside, we out of here.

And we left and went got something eating. And I was home by 8 o'clock. Yeah. It was my dad's birthday on Saturday. He drove up in the camp or something. the camper for the first time. Yeah. It's potable. So now I got to ask dad, I got to ask house dad and the camper. Yes. I mean, that's all he talked about the entire time. But it's great. I mean, I see why he got it. He's on his way. Now he's doing the whole East Coast.

Then I think he's going to bust a right at New Orleans and go all the way west and up and back. So he's just going to do like a square. You don't do like a loopy loop. Yeah. Okay. So going up to all the way up to Seattle, Portland area maybe. Yeah. I'm sure. I'm sure he'll do that. I'm connecting with Lexi. Is he documenting things? Is he? Is he, like, recording it? Is he just like everything here? He's still one of those, everything's here? He doesn't even know to open his phone.

He should have a flip phone, really. He should. He has, like, the iPhone C from, like, 2014. And I don't think he knows how to take a single photo. But it was fun to see him hang out with Amara. That's so dope, man. It's just, like, living a camper and just, you know, travel to U.S., man. That's a real American dream right there.

Some of the leftover weed I had of the spot that you put me on to. Yeah. Had some for him and watched him get a little too high. Yeah. That stuff was a little... I mean, he needs it, man. He's going to be on the road. needs to clear his head and just listen. No, no, he needs to pay attention to the fucking bro.

This is him and Bob Dylan on the road, man. But, you know, went back to the indoor playground, threw around some kids trying to mess with them more. I hate the weekends. The big kids are there. Yeah. But the big kids, I feel comfortable, like, you know, just push them. Yeah, you can box them out of. Yeah, you can box them out of them out. Yeah. You can't just push them out of the yeah. Yeah. Big kids, though. No. Yeah. Fucking 10-year-olds from Jersey City are like 18-year-old. Yeah. Get out of here. You get a little rough with a 10-year-old. It's okay. Demaris. She was in these streets? Nope. Home. I don't leave my house on weekends. Y'all know that? You said Friday

you were going to stop at my crib. Never did. What time did you get home Friday? Because you didn't tell me when you got home. You were here recorded MKIB with Armani. I got home. That was early though. Yeah. We was out of here by like 3 o'clock. Yeah. And then I picked up a morrow and went right to Jersey. It's going to understand. But you never, you never told me when you were like, yeah, I'm going to let you know when I get home from the office. You never let me know when you got home from the office. This feels like gaslighting and a bit of manipulation.

No, when you eventually, when you originally asked me, you said you were going to You was like, yeah, when I get home from the office, like I'll just come through. I'll let you know when I get home. You never did. So I'm like, oh, maybe you didn't want to be bothered. You have recorded that entire week. You guys filmed Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I just figured you wanted to be left alone.

I almost woke up and came here so you could watch tomorrow so I could sleep. That's what I wanted. I almost woke up and came in here on Saturday. Just like muscle memories. No, you've been somewhere all week and you wake up. You're like, oh shit, no, I don't have to go in today. Like, I'm good. Like people that have regular job?

Yeah, exactly. This is a regular job. I don't know if you know that. Listen, last week was exhausting, but I'm not going to sit here and say it was some crazy thing. Like, Demer is giving us credit. You guys, Monday through Friday you worked. Yeah. Yeah.

What I'm saying is you talk for a living. You talk one day through Friday to go and talk again. Like, that's a lot of fucking talking. Oh, gosh. No. Yeah, I'd be all talked out. Like, I don't have much conversation for, like, family and friends anymore. Oh, that's why I felt bad when Armani came in here because I didn't see him in a while we're friends or whatever.

I just was not in a talking mood. Yeah. I want to tell Moni, just shut up, perform and get out. As the day went, you know, we kicked it afterwards. That morning, no, I didn't want to talk to fucking anybody. Yeah. Yo, what's up, man? I haven't seen it.

Cool. Yeah, everything's just... The mic is right there. We're ready for you. We're ready for you. Do your rap. Cameras rolling. Do your little rapdy rap thing that you do.

Shout out to Armony White, though. Yeah, I'm excited to put that one out. We have on My Commerce Beautiful. We have They coming this week, which was a really cool conversation. and performance. I'm excited for that one. Yeah, we've got a lot of cool My Karma's beautiful, already in the tuck recorded.

But other than that, it was a very, very light weekend. I mean, I looked at the timeline and saw LeBron going fucking crazy and had a full-blown debate with my dad about the entire thing. And I'm coming in here, upset with myself, of how I'm on the fence with the entire thing.

All right, so LeBron James, obviously confronted Stephen A. Smith at the Lakers game last week. about some comments that Stephen A. has been making, you know, throughout, I guess, the last few months since Bronny James has entered the NBA. It is obviously Stephen A's job to, you know, talk about sports and analyze the game and analyze athletes, things like that.

So, LeBron, the Lakers were playing. I want to say, who was Lakers, but I forgot who they were playing that night. But it was at the crypto arena. And after a timeout, LaGERS were playing. LeBron had left the bench, and obviously, Stephen A was sitting close to the Lakers bench, so LeBron saw Stephen A court side and decided to approach him and what Stephen A calls a confrontation. He didn't call it a conversation. He called it a confrontation. You could tell by the body language in the video that it was a confrontation.

I'm confronting you about some shit. When you're 6'8-280, it's usually a confrontation when you step to another man. Yeah, but I mean, LeBron, we've definitely seen approach people, but you can tell it's not in a crazy way. Yeah. This one felt like all energy above the shoulders. I'm looking down over you purposely type of time. Yeah.

Now, when I saw this, I thought that maybe I missed something that Stephen A may have said about Brani. But then Stephen A addressed everything on, you know, first take. And then he went on his podcast as well and went more into depth about the situation than what had happened.

And basically, you know, LeBron, he said, LeBron, that wasn't an athlete, that was a father that approached me. That was somebody, you know, talking as a parent and, you know, kind of defending their child. Now, you know, this situation is very unique because LeBron is LeBron James and obviously, Brony being his son is under the same, you know, incredible microscope and, you know, scrutiny that LeBron James is under.

And people have been vocal about their feelings about, you know, Bronny being drafted and, you know, obviously the nepotism that people have spoken to, which we support and we applaud. But it's not just Stephen A. No, no, everybody has been a commentary. Everybody has chimed in on this. Everybody has had something to say. I think that LeBron just got to a point where he's kind of tired of Stephen A, making it a talking point.

Like, okay, obviously you said what you said, but it's like you may continue, continue to bring up Brony and continue to have this conversation. Well, he's on TV all day. Yeah. He has to feel some time. But, you know, I think LeBron felt like, yo, like talk about something else. Like, we get it. Bonnie is drafted, obviously, because of me.

He's not playing that well. He should be in the G league. Now, while I do understand LeBron being a dad and kind of like holding his son down, you know, on the opposite side, I understand what Stephen Ney is saying. And Stephen Ney is basically saying, like, you know, LeBron, you put a lot on your son's shoulders by comments that you made, saying that, you know, Bronny can, you know, play over some guys that are in the NBA right now. These are comments that LeBron made before Bronny entered the league.

Yeah. So he kind of like put a lot on it. He put a lot, a lot of pressure as if it wasn't already a lot of pressure on Brony, just being who he is. Which we discussed even before the draft when Brony was going in to enter for the draft. We said, did LeBron as a father put way too much pressure going into this situation the way he supported his son? Which, who's going to be mad at that? Right.

But with the tweets and everything, it started to be like, all right, he is putting his son up to have a bullseye on his. head with everything that they've been talking. The same way we talk about how the ball family is so incredible. And, you know, their dad put a fucking target on Lonzo's head before he even got to the Lakers. Like everyone was gunning for him based off his dad talking all that shit. So I think Braun has to take some accountability in this entire thing. I think, and that's what Stephen A. Connor spoke to.

I think he was saying, you know, because he had said, you know, LeBron stop this. not stop meaning have your son just out of the league and you know like you know stop putting more pressure on the situation stop saying making these comments that you know he belongs here let him develop send him to the G league where yes there's going to be cameras on him and there's going to be analysts at the game watching brony again he can't get away from that spotlight because of his last name well his name um so he you know stephen they was saying let him go to the G league where he's been playing well. Where he's been, you know, he's been, he's been, you know, playing well, developing his game. And then maybe one day, because Stephen A, from what I've seen, again, maybe there's

something that LeBron heard that, you know, we don't know about. A group chat that we weren't privy to. Or just something that Stephen A may have said that Stephen A can't even remember what he said, you know what I mean. But from what I can see, well, yeah, but from what I can see, Stephen A seems to have always supported LeBron and, you know, his family and everything that, you know, he does. I just think that it got to a point where Bron was like, yo, you're making it a point every week to talk about Bronny and talk about him not playing well and him not, you know, highlighting his numbers and him, you know, not really living up to the pressure

and the hype that comes with his name. So, you know, LeBron saw him and was like, yo, listen, keep my son, you know, stop talking about him. Let him just be. Keep my son's name, that's your motherfucking mouth. But it's not, but here's why it's not fair because at the end of the day, Stephen A is an analyst. He's on, you know, first take. He's on a bunch of shows on ESPN talking about athletes and sports every day. And obviously, your son is now in the NBA, so he has to take what comes with that like

every other player has to take it. That's, and we're speculating what was said in that conversation, despite the liberatorship. But I'm with you. LeBron is actually proving Stephen A's point and everyone else's point with some of the nepotism and some of the exceptions that Brani gets because of his. dad. Now, I understand fully Braun's father energy in that regard. Fuck this whole NBA shit.

That's my son. You're not going to play with his name. But as a father, you also have to accept now that your son is a man and you wanted him to be in a position where he will be critiqued no matter what. Because here's the thing, right? And you need to teach him of someone that has been critiqued since he was in fucking,

I don't know what, middle school. LeBron has been in the public eye, has probably dealt with more scrutiny than most athletes in history. Right. You got to show your son how to with that type of stuff. Yeah. Because in this regard, now you're asking

to move the goalpost. Now we can't talk about him. But here's why I really don't like it. Because if Bronny was playing well and putting up incredible numbers and Stephen A was talking about him every day, Bron wouldn't approach to him. I'm like, yo, keep my son's name out,

you fuck it, ma'am. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? So now that your son is not playing well, he's, you know, he's not even, he's, we're not even talking about the numbers. That doesn't even matter. He's just not playing well.

Your son belongs. Let him develop in the G-League. Keep him there because if you allow him to travel with the team and all of these things and this and the third, you know, it's like, okay, we know the nepotism is real. We get that. But now it's like we're adding on to that. And then he's not playing well on top of that. Whenever he does get an opportunity to play, he's not playing well. Versus let him stay in the G-League where he's been playing well, putting up really good numbers in the G-League.

Let him stay down there and develop his game. And then when the time comes, let him come back up to the league and then show us what he's been working on. I mean, my original point is a little bit meaner, but I think fairer, if that's even a word, I forgot what episode it was when I was asking you, why do people keep talking about this kid? I understand his last name. I get the story. But he barely gets any playing times before he went down to G-League. Like he scored one basket and it was a headline. They talked about it for three hours the morning it happened. Yeah. This is a non-story. Yeah. Stop talking about him. He doesn't deserve to be talked about. Yeah. That's really where I think these analysts should be taking it.

Why do you guys continue to talk about somebody that is not proven a fucking thing? When he starts balling, which we are confident, he will get better and develop. Talk about him then. I don't get a fuck about somebody that doesn't travel with the team. And I think that's what that's what LeBron was saying. Like, you know, again, we know he's not playing well. You don't have to keep saying it every day. But then again, it's not.

You're a professional athlete. Right. But that's what I'm saying. It's not fair because if he was playing great and they would talk about him every day, LeBron would, he would welcome that, with open arms. So I get it. You know, once I're a dad and you want to protect your son, but your son is a grown man.

And now he's in the National Basketball Association. So he has to take what comes with that, what every other athlete has to take. If they're not playing well, people are going to say that. They're going to tweet about it. They're going to post about it. The analysts are going to talk about it.

And again, his last name, the name on the back of his jersey only magnifies the situation because he comes from basketball royalty. If Stephen A. was talking about his personal life or some shit, then I could fully understand. But, no, it's basketball. And I mean, I hate that we always have to compare LeBron and Jordan,

but I've never seen Jordan confront Shade Room. I'm sure he's D.I. I'm sure somebody has reached out via Dio. On behalf of the Jordan family? Absolutely. Take all this shit down. Jordan can't wait to see Justin LaBoy. He can't wait to catch Justin's sideline.

He's going to run down on him. Justin has nothing to do with Shade Room. He's still going to run down on him. Keep my son's name out your fucking mouth, man. Perez Hilton being his Stephen A is fucking hilarious. Yeah, man. It's just going to be interested now to see Stephen A like high. The game the other night.

LeBron's name came up and he was like, listen, let's talk about Jason Tatum. Does he have kids? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Stephen A took that shit off LeBron. He don't even want to talk about. Braun could go out there and have a better game that Yokic had the other night. And Stephen A. is not going to talk about it. Skip over that talking about.

Let's talk about Jason Tatum and what the Celtics are doing. I could have been trolled. I scrolled past it. Forgive me, I should have done more research. Did I see that Stephen A and Skip were doing an episode together? Or is that like a fake? they're back the band is back I think it was just an episode on Stephen's show

or Skip's show I'm not completely Oh man you don't want Stephen A and Skip talking about that LeBron shit Oh my God And I mean listen don't quote me Because Rory Amall don't know ball But I did see somewhat of a flyer after this whole thing And I wasn't sure if they were just joking

Because obviously Skip hates LeBron And like now this is what brings them back together After all those years of eight I can't wait to see Stephen A on Club Shayshay now Well yeah they have an episode that came out two hours ago. So yesterday for people that are just not here. Oh, I'm going to have to watch that when we're done here.

Yeah. The return of two goats. That's kind of crazy to see, though. The Skip Bailey show with Stephen A. Smith. This is a huge moment, though. Yeah. Like, pretty much the history of what sports broadcasting is now is based on how these two shifted everything.

Yeah. I mean, this is funny because if Stephen A, you know, if you know his, he probably worked harder than anybody on the sports analyst side of the game. So when this situation happened, I was like, damn, he's going to have to do everybody's show now because they all want to talk about, yo, what happened with Braun? What happened with Bron? I think Stephen A handled it as well as he could. Good blessing with the timing, with his new deal and everything. Now the press run, we really have something to talk about.

Listen, it helps, man. I know, I know, you know, people saying, oh, Stephen A, you know, LeBron ran down on you. But it's like, what is Stephen A supposed to do? Fight LeBron? I just think this is beautiful karma, even based off some of the comments here. Never disrespect the boy. Now it's 20V1 against Braun. Now you know what the energy like.

Now everyone teaming up. I mean, but nobody disres... You deserve it all. Yeah, but nobody disrespected Braun. Of course. See, that's the thing. And that was the thing about the whole thing. I was like, but I don't, again, unless LeBron heard something that Stephen A said that we don't know about, that he took a little personal.

Stephen A has always seemed to be fair when it comes to LeBron. Fair when it... Well, most people, honestly, honestly, Stephen A kind of keeps... except the Kyrie thing. I still don't like what he did with Kyrie during the pandemic. But other than that, Stephen A always seems to be fair. He seems to be when you're doing well and you're playing great, he supports you. When you're struggling, obviously he has to talk about it and, you know, cover it as well.

And I think that's the case here. I think that it was a little extra because it is Brony. But again, it's Bronny. So people are going to talk about him. And, you know, LeBron just was like, nah, man, we're not doing that. Do you think that take? are more, are found to be more disrespectful when they're entertaining.

Because a bunch of people could talk about the same thing, but if you make a niggas laugh at me, it tends to sting a little bit more. Usually what it is. Even non-story shit that ends up going viral because whoever said it delivered it so well, and now you're the butt of the joke when it's not even really a big deal.

Yeah, that makes it worse. Yeah, but people got to stop. Because again, if he was playing well and Stephen A. was talking about it every morning on first take, it wouldn't have been no step to me on the sideline. And it wouldn't have been none of that. So you got to take it when you're not playing well. That goes for any athlete.

Like when you're not playing well, you got to take what comes with that. If people are going to start cracking jokes because y'all on the 12 game losing streak and you're struggling and y'all to butter the jokes now, you got to take that. If y'all on a 12 game win streak and the hottest team in the league and they're talking about that, yeah, y'all going to love that as well. So you can't, you got to take what comes with it. It's part of the game. It's part of the territory. But I think overall, if we look at Stephen A, he's always seemed to be a fair guy. He's always seemed to be fair.

I don't think Stephen A has ever meant to be malicious and disrespectful. I don't get that energy. That's a skip thing. Yeah, I don't get that malicious, you know, disrespectful energy. Again, aside from the Kyrie taking the vaccine thing, I thought that Stephen A was completely out of line with Kyrie about that. How do you guys— He was on a different side at that time? Yeah.

How do you guys handle people criticizing your family or your family or your, you're super, super close friends. Like, what do you think is the difference between criticizing and disrespect? Criticizing is as long as you're speaking to the actual, what's actually happening. I think disrespect is when you start to gossip and start to throw things in the mix

that are not true and just trying to push a false narrative. I think that's when it becomes disrespect. But I think if you're speaking to the facts and what's actually happening, if you feel disrespected as somebody speaking to facts, it's usually because you, you feel bad about the facts

you feel bad about the facts it's like damn like but I don't think that if it's you know if it's facts it's facts like it is what it is because now if brawny go out there and it has 25 tomorrow you know what I'm saying that Stephen A covers it's what

all is forgiven at that point you know what I'm saying so it's it's just a weird situation but again I understand LeBron what you know in that moment like Stephen A said that was a father that wasn't LeBron James the athlete that wasn't LeBron James you know the basketball legend

And that was LeBron James, the father, protecting his family, protecting his son. Because obviously, Brony is probably affected by, he's never had, well, he's had a spotlight his entire life. But now that he's on this stage, you know, he's every morning, it's on the biggest, you know, sports outlets, people are talking about him. So, LeBron, you know, Brony might be in the house and LeBron might see that it's really affecting him. It's affecting his son.

It's affecting his mental health. He's probably, you know, out there noticing that, you know, Bronny is struggling because it's so much on every time he's on the floor. There's so many eyes on him watching and what he's going to do. But again, you know, this is part of what comes with that territory of being the James Jr. Rory, what about you, the difference between criticizing your family and disrespecting your family? I mean, I think family personally is off limits and everything. Ronnie is an exception here because he's a professional athlete, so that kind of takes him out of that scenario.

So I'm kind of on the side of family period. but that, I mean, especially in the media genre now, that rule has been gone for a long time. I'm not naive, but I still feel that way. I would feel a way if... I try my absolute best. Sometimes I will slip up, but, you know, not backtrack, but try to fix it.

If I feel like, oh, I brought up someone's family, I shouldn't have done that. I still try to live by that rule because I personally believe families, to win like that shit is off limits. It's off limits if it's not a public. This isn't a URL battle or rap battle. Like I get that, that's part of that game.

I guess it's part of this game now, but that doesn't mean I have to participate in it. I mean, if you go at my family, yes, there's going to be something that will happen, but it's not going to be a back and forth of the family off. Well, let me make it. Does that not make y'all feel like your stomach hurt a little bit when you, to talk about someone's family?

Yeah, no. People have nothing to do with what the fuck is going on right now. I'm not with that at all. that's why I was going to try to make it more, more realistic for real life. Let's say... No, in real life, this whole genre disrespects everyone's family. Yeah, no, but I'm not talking about... Which to me is fucking insane.

I'm not talking about media. I'm not talking about media. I'm talking about normal people. If someone in your life has a critique... Let's say your girlfriend has a critique for your mother or a critique for about mall, where you draw the line between criticizing or saying, or saying how they could be better or complainant to you,

how they could be better and disrespecting. Like if my family starts talking about Rory? Yeah. Or either or. When my mom called Moll Gay, I did tell her to stop.

That's not true. Okay. I said, don't say that mom. See, now that was... You said don't say that mom or mom, that's not true. Both. Okay.

See, that's what I'm saying. See, that's like, to me, that's disrespectful. Like, Tacomie gay is disrespectful. But she didn't mean it. She met her that she thought I was gay, yeah. Yeah. That's wrong.

She was just like, you know. Nothing wrong to be a gay, but, you know, I just, I was disrespected by that. That's all. It was, it was more so her reasoning that made me laugh, like, where I kind of stopped defending. Like, this is just funny at this boy. She was like, I was never had a girlfriend. I was like, well, that doesn't mean.

No. That just means. That's the narrative you pumped. That's the narrative you pumped. You did pump that narrative. You pumped that narrative. We know about one Italian girlfriend from 1976. Nah, I got, I got, I got a bunch of girlfriends.

And to me, my response to my mom in that regard is, no, that doesn't make him gay. You just slang in these hoes. There you go. Just different one every night. Hold me down with the fam. Yeah, see, there you go. Hold me down with your mom. You know, tell her I get pussy.

Yeah, tell me I get pussy, man. What's up, man? Hold me down in the living room. I'm trying to think. There's been instances of, which I told you about before with, I wouldn't say a mutual friend of ours, but somebody we both know, a friend of the show, she's called in before. has DM'd me things, and I'd be like, oh, don't talk about mall my DM. Like, I will block you in this situation.

You're not going to talk shit about mall in front of me. Like, it's not going to happen. I'll tell you off my. Okay. It'll make total sense the moment I tell you. But yeah, in instances that I'm not trying to be super confrontational, if somebody says something disrespectful about my family that isn't like super egregious, I'll say, hey, don't talk about them in front of me.

Like, I'm just not, you can't do that with me. it won't be even if it's a valid critique no if it's a valid critique we can have a conversation about it I'm talking about disrespect I don't think a valid critique is disrespect I think a disrespect is when you start talking about people's personal shit their appearance lies about them like that type of stuff to me is

disrespectful yeah but but if somebody facts is not disrespectful though I can't if it's the facts the facts can't be deemed as disrespect and even let's not even say facts let's just say their opinion Like say if somebody came up to you, he was like, yo, I think Rory is a bad podcaster, which obviously we all know impossible, one of the goats. But I wouldn't, I wouldn't expect you to be like, yo, chill, fuck you. Like, if somebody said to you and you talk to them, I wouldn't really care because that's not disrespectful.

That's just their opinion. They don't think I'm a good podcast. So they ran into someone on the podcast and said, you, I don't really think he's a good podcaster. Okay. Cool. It also depends on how you deliver that information because my reaction to that information, let's say if my sister called me and say, yo, I'm listening to the podcast. Rory sucks. Like, I'll listen to her

critique, right? But if a stranger on the street walks by one walking, we'll be like, yo, let a Pob of Rory's trash. I'm going to turn around. I'm saying, yo, suck my dick. Like, it's going to be it depends on how you say things and who's saying it and where you're saying it. I'm just, I don't, again, I'm on the opposite side of all that shit.

I don't, if somebody says something disrespectful, like, disrespectful is like, again, making it an attack on personal shit. Like, I don't like, Roy's face, like you should like darken the light on his face or something like that. But I, that's a valid critique.

Yeah, but again, but again, coming from somebody, I would be like, yo, what's up with you, man? Like, you know what I'm saying? Chill out. But I wouldn't, I don't know. I'm just not, I don't think that it would be a confrontation though. I would, I would look at them and most times I just look at people like they're crazy anyway and just stare at them. I give them that blank stare.

Like, I didn't ask you for that, but thank you anyway. Like, all right, cool. So I don't really, you know what I'm saying? I don't get into that. But I do understand how people, you know, can cross the line of critique and disrespect. It's a fine line, especially if you don't know what you're talking about. And, you know, if you're speaking to the facts, which is what people should always do anyway,

is kind of lean more towards facts instead of gossip. And I think, you know, everybody should be able to, you know, listen and take things into account. Like, okay, maybe I was wrong. I could see why you say that. But if it's just gossip and lies and, you know, bullshit that people are speaking to, that's when disrespect comes in and it's like, all right, that conversation is going to go left. Nothing is more awkward. Like the scenario that Demaris brought up, like, if you're passing a listener and they'll say something, have you ever been in like a TSA line or something that's not moving?

Oh, you can't escape. And you're right next to the person. And they'll be like, yo, what's up with him all in Drake, Joe, Kendrick, this and that. And you're like, ha, ha, cool. And then you just have to sit there in silence knowing this person is just staring at you wanting to talk about a show. It's the worst fucking thing in the world. The airport is always the worst place to see, like, listen. or fans.

And it's not even like I would be upset. I would talk to them. That shit just gives me wild anxiety now that I'm just sitting in this TSA line and there's someone next to me that just talked about the show and wants to continue talking. And I don't want to. Yeah, but you can't say that because if somebody in the TSA line talked to you about anything, you're going to be awkward about it. Yeah, for sure.

You don't talk to people. For sure. But now, like, the show is like not a closed conversation. Like, we could keep talking about the show, but I'm clearly showing I don't want to. Yeah. It's not like a, hey, can you pass a bin situation? It's like you really want to talk to me about how Kendrick be Drake and I just don't care. Yeah.

Like at all. I understand that. I mean, I appreciate it when people show support, but no, not when we're getting into criticizing and topics. Like, let's just get through pre-checked the fastest we can do. I'm glad you reminded me that mom said that about me. Next time I see, I'm going to tell her keep my name on her mouth. I'm pressing your mall. I said a press in Chicago.

We believe she sold an elevator. I didn't even know she was there at the hotel. I said a press her right there. Like, yo, keep my name. Matter of fact, no, get on the next elevator. Don't you can't rob me. You say that, but what happens if she stalled off on you like Solange? I ain't going to lie.

You know one of my mom's elevator game? I'm respecting that. I'm respecting that. I'm like, Roy, your mom just popped on me in the elevator. What if my mom played corners and you were the fifth person? Your mom, I can see your mom playing corners growing up. I can definitely see her getting down in the elevator, punching a girl in the face. Absolutely.

I can see that. Shout out the moms. mom's not gay, love you. That's a, wow. But, I mean, to close this in my younger years, which I mean, Peach can attest to as well. I didn't take criticism of my friends very well. And I tended to always be the person

that would go out on a limb and be the one to confront everything, which then ended up like making me the asshole at the end of the day. And then you see friends get back cool with somebody, you know, the issue with, but you're always the person that has to go confront everything.

and yeah, it's exhausting. And your personal life, how do you tell one of your close friends that they shouldn't be friends with somebody? Like that. But like, you can't, but you can't say it like that because they're not receptive to that. They kind of like, they just hear you, but it just, they pay it no mind.

Like, how do you do that? How do you have, like, sit your friend out, but, yo, why do you, why are you cool with this person? Maybe it's a mid-30s thing at this point. they're an adult. Like, I can express how I feel about the situation and why I don't think that person is a good friend to you. But you're, that's your choice, man. You're an adult. I'm not going to sit here and harp or continue this conversation. I said what I said because I care about you. If you don't listen, I don't take it as disrespect, but I'm just not going to sit around

all day and tell you how this person is bad. You are a grown human being that can make decisions on your own. I said my peace and whatever happens, I'll still be here as your friend. I may give a little I told you so under my breath. Oh, I love that. Oh, no. First of all, you may give a little I told you so. That's your favorite. If I had a fucking penny for how many I told you so.

Then maybe you should listen to me more. We wouldn't need this fucking deal. Like, all every five seconds. It doesn't seem like I'm the issue here. I told you that wasn't your friend. I told you that wasn't your friend every five seconds. I mean, it's helpful to have somebody from the outside looking in, third party viewing a friendship.

Because I've had friendships I thought were real, ended up not being real, multiple times. I've been a bad judge of character multiple, multiple times. Sometimes you need that friend that's not in that situation to just look at the facts of what's going on and go, no, this is not a good situation for you. How many stories are you the villain in? Probably a lot. Yeah? Yeah. Not like, I don't think anything like egregious, but yeah, probably. Do you care to like clear it up or you just let it be? Um, again, mid-30 stuff, I do care less about clearing things up, like at all.

I'm only asking, kind of not at all, to be quite honest. No, I'm only asking you because I've been through like that phase already that you're now in. It's just like, it's relieving like of not even caring. I went through a very, very weird phase. Started the way most people are, pretty much everyone in the

beginning of trying to clear up everything and reputation means the most. Like, this is it. That's really your stock is what your reputation and what people think of you. Then I got to the point of not caring to clear it up, it still bothered me. So I was carrying the weight and the anxiety of it. Yeah. But I was still like, no, I'm not taking the energy to go clear it up. Now I'm at the phase that I do not,

you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't even going to clear it up. Matter of fact, keep telling the story. Yeah. Man, I'm going to hear how how where it goes. Let me how good, let me how creative you all. Like, yeah, keep, keep, keep, keep, keep story going. And what's funny is sometimes when you don't clear shit up and they continue with the narrative, everyone starts to see how the narrative changed. The story they had originally keeps having different factor. Now, me and you've been through that and you stuff at the other time I'm like, dog. I don't care. And you used to like, no, but we have to

address things because narratives get created. And I swear that was a general statement, by the way. There's been multiple times that this happened to me, even currently. But yes, you are definitely have said that and can say I told you so. Oh, yeah. To me. Oh, my God. With plenty of times. It's like, bro, just let that

stop trying to fix. You can't. Just let things be, man. Just let things be. But hopefully, LeBron James, man, listen, man, you know, hopefully Bronny plays well. Again, I think that he should be in the D league because he's been playing really well in the G league, not the D League,

G League. He's been playing really well in the G League. And I think that's great for him. He needs to be in-game situations, you know, getting some real bump underneath his, you know, his belt and just you know, developing his skills, man. It's nothing wrong with developing. I think that, you know, obviously we got the moment that we probably will never

see again with NBA son and dad on the court together, you know, but now was time for Brony to really develop and hone his skills and become a solid NBA player, which I think he has the talent to do that. He just needs to develop. Yeah, they got, Luca was a missing piece. Brony will be back on the regular team. He just needed someone on the wing, and Brony's a all-star.

He just needed Luca. That's all. He needed a little more than that. Just a little more. Luca's a great piece for the team. But Brony himself as the player, I think that he will have time to develop and get better. and I think that he will be a solid NBA player. Before we get to this Dochi topic, I will quickly ask,

is Stephen A. and Skip the best sports duo in media history? No. Is first take the best sports show, debate show, I guess, if you will? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I mean, we have to give respect to around the horn. Pardon the interruption is one of my favorite sports show. ever, but I just don't know if there was ever a better time than Stephen A. Smith and Skip.

Nah, that was, that was like the golden. It replaced SportsCenter. Yeah. Like, Sports Center came on at 10th when it used to come on at fucking six. You know, with Stephen A and, and Skip were able to do with First Take, you know, they brought in culture to sports and they just magnified, you know, the debate level. And I think they kind of birthed a lot of debate platforms because of what they were able to do. But yeah, they were special. What they were able to do in build was, you know, I don't think we'll ever see something like that on a major network again.

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I saw that Doche made a comment, was it hot ones? Yeah, there's different forms of hot ones. It's not always shown in a guest. They'll play games and shit. I saw everyone saying they're like, oh, she couldn't even get the real. I was like, no, they've done this before. Obviously, Ms. Milan is her DJ and they're really, really close friends.

So she did it with her. And they were asking each other questions. And Ms. Milan asked, or whatever the topic was, the biggest red flag in dating. And Dochi had put straight men as her biggest red flag. Okay. And that threw the socials up in. shambles. Yeah.

The amount of think pieces from men that have never thought made me laugh all fucking day. These think pieces were absolutely fucking insane. Why do people care so much about a joke? And I told Demaris I was going to come in here and I'm already prepared to be the pick me here, even though I truly believe this and don't see the big fucking deal. She made a fucking joke. Yeah. Straight men.

Ha, ha, ha. She's also queer, right? Yes. So yeah, that would be a red flag. In dating, I'll tell you this. A gay man would be a red flag for me. Not because he's a gay man, but in dating, I don't date gay men. So that would be a red flag for me.

Wait, Doche's gay? She's queer. So she... What does that mean? Dates probably everyone. And she dates anything, if I'm not mistaken. That's her sexuality. I'll have to double check on that, but she is a queer one.

Why you look to me like that? Queer is, that's not a new thing. That's not one of these new adjectives that we added yesterday. Queer's been around for quite some time. That's the Q and LBGTQ. Yes. Yes. So it says that she's openly bisexual,

which would mean that you're a queer or you're queer. Okay, so she's bisexual. Yes. She dates men and women. Yes. But it's just the way DeMaris framed, but she says she dates anything. I just didn't know what that meant. Well, isn't there actually a sexuality that dates like they would date this table?

If they... I don't... No, I'm dead ass. There's something like... Whatever the opposite of... of asexual, the people that don't have sex at all, there is somebody that would like, they'll date whatever they're feeling that day. It may be a girl, it may be a side table, maybe a couch, but like that's their, that's their person for the day. A dog. I don't, I don't pay,

bullshit like that. I don't pay attention to, but. To me that is some type of version of statutory rape. I'm just trying to understand. Who said the dog wanted to be dated? Like, I'm just trying to understand. So, okay, so Dochi is queer. She's bisexual. And that dog is underage. Right. So, yes, I saw this. I saw when, you know, Dochi said what she said.

And, you know, I laughed at it. I didn't take much into it. But I did see people posting and saying like, oh, you know, she's pushing the agenda. You know, she's, you know, Grammy winner now. And this is what they have her doing. They programmed her to push it. I think people, I think everybody's just bored. 100%.

I think people are bored and people are looking. Everybody has victim mentality. Everybody wants to be a victim. Everybody feels like they're a victim. I just think everybody needs to relax, enjoy life, live your life, mind your business, have your fun, and do the things that you like to do. I just don't think that it's that serious of Dochey says, straight men are a red flag. When dating, yeah. I would laugh at that as well.

that's not. And then all of a sudden, this brings in the group I hate the most, the preference police. Yeah. If she would have said, if a guy got up there and said that a red flag for him is

Latino women, he would be canceled. I'm like, I don't understand how you can tie those two things together at all. And like they thought they was like really landing points of like why men are under attack

because a man couldn't make this joke or he would be canceled. Okay. Even if I agree with you, so? I believe in double standing. This world. is full of double standards.

Absolutely. I love double standards. But plenty of men have come and said that bisexual women are red flags to them. Plenty of that's a regular thing. They say that all the time. Maul has had some skeptical shit of dating bisexual women and we've had that conversation. If I walked in on my girl, fucking another girl, I'd be fine with it. And he was like, no, that's not cool. So yeah, that's a normal thing for someone to think.

Yeah. And again, I also think that she was joking. And even if she wasn't, even if she wasn't joking as a bisexual woman, A lot of bisexual women prefer to date bisexual men because they understand a little bit better. So I don't blame her. They're acting like she was across from Gail King. She's with her friend on a show that is about jokes and hot wings. Like, Sean Evans asked great question.

One of the best platforms ever salute to him. But are we going to act like that show is not also about laughing at someone eating hot wings while they're trying to give an answer? It's a comedy-based show, even though Sean asks real questions. Right. They're all, they lead to humor. It's humor. It's a lot of human in that. But back to what DeMars.

He didn't ask Callet about Palestine. He gave him a hot wing and he started crying and then we started crying. Yeah. He said, now you know how Palestinians were. See. I'm all bad. I'm sorry. I went too far.

I'm sorry. Sorry. But back to what DeMara said. Bisexual women prefer? No, I didn't say by all bisexual women. Some bisexual women might prefer bisexual women. bisexual men because they understand the queer experience a little bit more. And also, if I am around a lot of queer people, whether it's for work, which I'm sure she is, whether it's for work,

whether it's for, that's the community that I have, straight men may not be as comfortable in those same communities as somebody who is also on the LGBTQ spectrum. And also, a fair point, but I think it's hilarious that we're trying to give a serious breakdown of a fucking joke. Yeah. Well, that's like the world. The world forced us to do that. Everybody was upset. Everybody was raging. I saw some protesters.

I was like, oh, okay, well. They said heterophobia is a real thing. People are afraid of straight people. I'm afraid of some straight people. Yeah, but not because they're straight. No, not because. I'm generally afraid of people. Yeah, I just don't like, I just don't like some people.

Like, it is what it is. Yeah, I don't know, man. Listen, man. They were using that as an excuse. It's like the tie-ins of like, oh, she's pushing that agenda. And she's also a plan. like all of this just ties in like it's like dochi is not a plant dochi has been putting out bangers for a while that people weren't like really paying attention to like and she has talent she's not a fucking plant no and i'm fucking with her since 2019 i've watched this whole entire thing and she was very pro queer in 2019 as well isn't a new thing because she ate a hot wing yeah like or because she went a Grammy like that's just just who she's been and listen to her music of who and when she's dated it's been all over the place.

Like this isn't a weird thing at all. Well, then say after all of that, like, you know what? Straight men aren't for me. Well, we had a conversation last week

about the industry and when they push a button. Okay. And when they, you know, they probably put the... Oh, no, I'm here to be objective.

Just because I was a pick-me on the Dochi conversation, don't think this is going to be... You know, I support that young lady. I think she's incredibly talented. We support Dochi over here, for sure. You can,

continue. So it was some things, some things at the time not over the weekend that I was just, you know, putting on Rory's radar. I saw some things. I saw some things and I was like, you know, sending it to Rory. I said, you, you ubered me to on the radar? I had to, ooh, I was like, yo, this is the button that I'm telling you about. When you see Dochie, you know, now taking pictures with Ferell, it's like, uh-huh, okay, they're in the same rooms now. They're, you know, obviously, you know, fashion we get that. Docee just walked with a, what was the line she just walked for D squared, I believe. Yes.

She did that. Looked great, looked incredible. Obviously, we know Farrell is a creative director at Louis. So now her and Farrella are in the same space. They're in the same room, take a picture together. They know what the talk is. Obviously, are we getting some music together? Doche's a Grammy-winning artist now.

Farrell's a Grammy-winning producer and artist as well. Are we going to collab? Are we going to work together? Okay. First of all, one, I don't think that's pushing the button whatsoever. Because again, we've watched Dochi for five years put in her work.

Finally, she's starting to reap the benefits of that. TDE is doing what they're supposed to do as far as making sure this girl's in front of us at all times. Post-Grami, I think being in that fashion line makes sense. And let's also not pretend like Farrell has not worked with up-and-coming acts his entire career.

Farrell has never been one of those producers that's like, I only fuck with Hove. Forel will work with somebody we've never heard of. And not even if they're signed to him. Forel is one of those producers. To see him with a new chick that could actually rap that is a breadth of fresh air

based off a lot of stuff that we've heard, I don't think that's the industry pushing the button. I think that's Forel being Forel and Dochi being Dochi. And also, did we see them together in a studio or were they together in Paris at Fashion Week? No, Maul was saying, you know that question came up. when they posted that photo it wasn't for the fashion shit they knew all those comments would be it's music it's music for sure so now my thing what the whole button thing was and i'm you know i don't particularly care about numbers i don't know what sells what but obviously that's a talking

point here so doche wins best rap album when doche's album came out she only she did what 11,000 of first week here's here's where i won't give you pushback on the button I think you can make a huge case to question what the Grammys do to decide. I know they have the committee. This is why I'm going back to the Grammy. You do $11,000 in your first week. Again, I don't care about numbers. I thought the album was good.

She had some good joints on there. Happy for her. We support her. But now you go, you win the Grammy. We all know once you are a, you don't even have to win a Grammy. Once you're a Grammy nominated artist. different things start to open up. It's right in the bio.

But when they give you, right. But when they give you the Grammy, you have to understand that there are other things. It's not just the Grammy. A whole other lane and world is now available to you, opens up to you.

And to me, that is what I call the button. Now, 11,000, not the greatest numbers, but who cares when the product is dope? I mean, post, yeah, now, now she's smoking. with them. Oh, well, because they got her in front of so many eyes. Again. So now the numbers are

going to go where they're going to go because I have a Grammy. I'm a Grammy winning artist. Well, okay, so let's let's not just paint that because even before, yes, the Grammys obviously is going to skyrocket. You went to Grammy, everything goes up. Yes, but the numbers were going up already before the Grammys because now first week numbers don't really matter. It matters. The big artists are arguing about it and the fan base are arguing about it, but we've had this conversation where first week number doesn't matter what are we doing on the back end what are we doing that next week week after that after this music video comes out or i do this late night performance and again i'm somebody i don't i don't really care about numbers i i tell you all the time i don't know what albums that i like

saw i don't know what they saw and even even with the industry and td e and universal doing what they're supposed to do as far as getting their artists in front of people let's also not act like all of 2024 dochey with every performance every festival put together one of the best shows. Not only that, did every late night shit, did like seven denial is a river videos, did one with Issa, did a real one, did every live performance outlet, like she went and got herself in front of so many people, and it resonated. So that's where the post numbers are coming from. Of course, the Grammy helps from there. But let's not act like we didn't watch her on video put in all this work. Anytime she got an opportunity, she overdelivered. Tyler wanted

her on the album was one of the best albums of last year most anticipated smoked her verse went out of control and the industry is not pushing a button for Tyler to go well if you guys want it I'll put her on my album then no Tyler thought she was dope and she smoked him on that verse and that's why I came to because I know what you were about to lean into with Lauren Hill oh I'm gonna get to that this is not a button push Lauren Hill doesn't do shit she doesn't want it Lauren Hill doesn't show up to her own shows I agree with you and I wasn't going to say the push this button. Oh, okay. I was going to say, is it deserving? What do you mean? Is it deserve? Her being on stage with Lauren Hill? The only person that could decide whether she deserves that or not is

Lauren Hill. Of course. And I love that Lauren Hill loves Dochey. I think it was an incredible look. I could never imagine. If Lauren Hill wanted me to go pick up her laundry, I would go do it. I'm not here to shit on Doche in that regard. I think that's great. But back to the legends thing, when we talk about superstars, megastars, I'm talking about just straight legends. I feel like maybe you need to put in a little bit more work as far as proof to stand next to certain people. Yeah, but nah, but don't do that. I feel like you're having to do that because when it happened for Cardi, everybody was happy. What, what did what did it happen for Cardi?

Everybody was happy praising all this shit. Wait, Lauren, Burrace Cardio? What legend? She might, she may have. I don't know. What legend has Cardi ever stood? I can understand if you say that with Beyonce and Megan, but what, what cardi, what legend has Cardi ever stood next to on stage with that, like, kind of, like, gave her like that stamp.

Oh, I mean, it's been so many years since Cardi's been lit. I'm pretty sure one of these legends have had her on stage at some point, had her at their concert, like somebody. But this was a moment. And I understand also the connection. It's just Cardi, Lauren, and Dochi that have rap album in the year. Yes, female. So, yeah, I see that connection there.

And I see what Doche represents, even as. the image that's out there connections with Lauren, I get it. I'm just saying from a music standpoint, Alligator Mixape is fire. I just don't know if that solidifies you to stand on stage with somebody that doesn't do shit and has that type of status. Like, of course Lauren gets to decide that, but come on. Yeah, but when you're all in the same, you know,

it's only, like you said, Cardi, Lauren, and Dochey to have that best rap album as a Grammy. I mean, it's a, you know, it's a small club. And I know I sound like I'm hating. I liked the moment. I loved her doing the second verse. But just the hip hop nerd in me, which is sometimes a bad thing, is looking at that, like, all right, man. Like, do you know what Nikki Minaj had to do to get on that song with Beyonce?

Right. No, I get it. You know what that solidified, like. But we've talked even with that conversations with Jane and behind closed doors. Certain people and other legends don't look at it disrespectfully. like, I know what I put in to get to this point. Not anyone can just stand next to me. Like, this is solidified for a different type of person.

I mean, great, if they're signed to you, then you get a look, but that's a button. Yeah. But just anybody, no, that's a different type of thing. And I'm not mad at the button being pushed. Of course not. Because I don't want that to. I don't think this is the button pushed. I think Lauren loves Doche.

I just think that is cool to recognize when the button was pushed. But we haven't acknowledged when a button was pushed for, like we were talking around this, but when has a button been pushed for Dochi? When did the industry push a button on Dochi? I think it was pushed Grammy Night. Pushing a button would initiate or signify that she didn't deserve her Grammy. Do you not think that she didn't have her Grammy? No, I'm not, see, and I think that's the kind of like the negative tone that comes with

the button being pushed is that you say, oh, somebody doesn't deserve it. I'm not, when I'm saying the button was pushed, it's not because an artist doesn't deserve it. When I say this meaning like they recognize that, okay, we like this artist. We think that this artist has a good thing here, good talent. Let's magnify this. Let's amplify this. Let's make sure we get this out to as much people that may not know about this artist as possible because we think that this is dope. That's what I mean why when I say the button was pushed.

Meaning like now everything is great to go up. Like, okay, cool. We like her. Boom. Send up. Or boom, we like him. Send them up. Like, that to me is what the button is,

but not saying the artist doesn't deserve it and is not talented. I don't want that to be the tone that I'm pushing. I'm just saying that we know when the artist is like, okay, we see them at SOBs, we see them at these smaller venues, and then it's like, something happens to where it's now like,

yo, they just sold out fucking, you know what I'm saying? But it goes back to our original Grammy, post-Grammy episode when we were like, we don't really understand if it's numbers, what it is, but if they're going to go this route, at least they did get it right. Like, if there was some type of shit behind the scenes where TDE did pay or whatever the fuck,

all right, they got it right though. Like, it wasn't like there was a bullshit album that sold 11,000 copies and won. Right. There is still matching with talent level and music here. So at that point, I kind of stopped caring. It's more so like the Lauren stuff with my nerdy brain that I'm like, okay,

that's a look look like fuck a Grammy Lauren Hillbrunch wants to it how many people on earth can say it yeah but why are you so surprised by that prize can't even say that but why why are you so surprised by that when she's in a very small club with Lauren Hill now it's only Lauren and Cardi that have best rap album as

as female as female rappers and on top of that the type of female rap that Doche does is like the type of shit that Lauren Hill would want out granted though she does people get it misconstrue do she does rap about a bunch of degenerate shit. But she does it in a way where you don't hear pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy every five

seconds, which I'm sure Lauren as an emce has been waiting. That's just sounding. I was a hit. Has Lauren has been waiting to hear somebody like that. Like acknowledging Nikki, you don't have a choice but to acknowledge Nikki because Nikki put the work in over time. Nikki's not all pussy pussy. Nikki has a lot of pussy rap.

Not all pussy rap, no, but she has a lot of it. And also, Nikki was very. sexualized throughout her career. That's not something that hid. Nicky was the one that made the big fake but a thing. So she has, she was very sexualized in her career. But, well, there's videos of Lauren and Nikki together backstage when she was bowing down, which I get it. That was excessive, but I get it. What I was saying is it took Nikki a long time to get to that spot. When we're talking about why Dochi might have gotten there faster. I think Lauren Hill might identify with DoC a little bit more. I don't think it's just because of the Grammy. I think it's, I think Lauren really

likes her and likes her music. I think that that's what it is. So when it comes to that, when it comes to a cosign, no matter how legendary the person is, you can't you can't really take that away or say they're not deserving of that because no matter who I am, I'm a legend, whatever, I say that I like this artist

and I want more people to listen to this artist. That's what a co-sign is. That's like somebody, if somebody would have said that Sierra didn't deserve her genetic co-sign at the time. Like it, or Megan didn't deserve her Beyonce co-sign. No, no, I get it. I did see a lot of people saying it was similar to when

Game Snoop and I forgot what other West Coast artists were there gave Kendrick past the torch to him like in L.A. That whole moment. And everyone was like, oh, he only had Section 80 out at that time. While I agree, I don't think they're comparable.

Section 80 and no disrespect to Alligator 2. I think I had it at number one of my favorite rap album last year. But you have Fredia number one. Or Friday, yeah. Section 80 is Section 80. like that was a moment and they're also

we knew solidified at that point Kendrick Lamar was different and this guy wasn't going anywhere I'm not saying don't she's going to go anywhere I hope she stays I can't wait to see her growth but that to me was way different and even then I was like damn that was quick

Snoop and game co-signed off your first your first tape yeah I mean technically the one that broke yeah I thought that was even a little crazy so I was pulled up this 9 shit because this is kind of what I was talking about. This is on hip hop is dead.

Eight years in the game, I'm sorry. When you're four years in the game, we can have a conversation. Eight years in the game, I invite you on vacation. Ten years in the game after I enjoy my fame, only then I'll even let you pick my brain. Right. Like, you have to be four albums in to even talk to me. Yeah. I understand.

I respect that, though. But I get that. And again, this is the type of music and point of view that I grew up on as far as how rappers did their co-signing. Like even being around like, yeah, he's nice, but he can't be next to me. Yeah, he has to prove a lot more to even get in this realm. But we spoke about that. Like, it's a real thing when it's like, yo, like, you got to prove that you're going to be here a while.

Like, we talked about the average lifespan of a rapper being, what, a year, two years? I mean, if that now. So, like, you think somebody like, Nause is going to open up his, his bandwidth and his fucking, you know, IP to somebody that's only going to be around for like 18 months and give them like, it's like, no, you got to prove that. that one, you respect this culture, one, you're going to add to it and enhance it and help grow it and push it forward. And then you can sit down and kick it and be like, yo, like, so nah, it's like when you did this, ah, ha, ha, ha. It's like that's a right of passage to people that care about this culture that, you know, they know that they have to protect it and they have to, you know, leave it in better hands than they found it. So it's a lot of these rappers,

yeah, you don't get to sit down and kick it and talk to certain people unless you prove that, you know, I'm in this for the right reasons. I'm in here to enhance this. I'm in here to grow this. I'm here to push this. And I'm dope and I'm talented. And I, you know, I'm not just some person that just caught a record and went viral. And now I think that I'm, you know, it's like, no, that don't go like that.

I hear that. And if we were talking about, like you said, with Nas, that makes sense. We can't really have that conversation in regards to Lauren Hill. Because everything that you just described, why do I have to prove that I'm going to be here for a while when you ain't proved that you're going to be here for a while? You had one classic album we got up out of here. And that's not me disrespecting Lauren Hill, but Lauren Hill, that's well known. She had one solo album, amazing album, legendary album, and it did.

So why would I have to prove to you that I'm going to be here for 10 years when you didn't do that? Okay. And it's hypothetical. Lauren Hill is still Lauren Hill. And even though she hasn't put out music, she's still Lauren Hill. And if she wanted to actually go and do it. That one album is better than people's entire. catalogs.

For sure. No, for sure. I agree with you, but I'm just saying like you, longevity. So does, does quality matter or does longevity matter? Okay, but both.

All right, let's also like not pretend like there's not a Fuji's catalog. For sure. Like, I understand blood love reality is probably not everyone's go-to. But let's not act like the score

doesn't exist and who carried that motherfucking album right into miseducation. And I know you guys cloud me for this. I think her unplugged performance of completely original music is a classic fucking album.

Yeah, I like it. I think it's amazing. So, yeah, I get the critique, but let's, that's Lauren Hill. If she wanted to go and fucking sell a Barclays tomorrow, she's doing it. I agree. No, we're saying all this. Who really earned their spot and who Lauren Hill should have brought out? Bad Baby.

Let me tell you something that would never happen. Bad Baby will never touch the stage with Lauren Hill. Would never happen. Alabama would have some problems. Shut out, Foggy Roar too. Foggy Roar, too. Foggy Roel popped out on that show with Lauren as well. another artist that I really

I fuck with so shout out to them and Lauren Hill for bringing them out and sharing the stage with some up and coming and pretty dope talent So you don't think Bad Baby was snubbed at the Lauren Hill performance? No, she was not snubbed at all She couldn't premiered her new disc record? Nah, she will never ever touch the stage

with the likes of a Lauren Hill. Love the disc record. Love what she's doing in that world though. Listen, for those that don't know that aren't on Patreon, our episode that came out yesterday. We played and got Maul up to speed on the bad baby

Alabama. What's her last name? She put Barker there? Okay. I wasn't sure she had a different name. She didn't want to be a NEPO baby. Alabama Barker beef. And over the weekend, after Ma heard all of those flames, all of that gas, that kerosene, that ether, that makes your burn, your fucking can't even

speak. 93 unlet it. She got that 93 form. makes your soul burn slow Yeah Bad Baby said Oh you're taking way too much time And teased a 20 second snippet Of her

This would be the fourth This at this point Third? This would be the third Mm-hmm You know I love Blink 1282 I love the Barker's with OG crashed out with the drum

I blame 1 a 2 shots You to cry baby You call the A about the last this that I drop You keep running back to your daddy I don't know when I last seen my pop I just killed you

First of all, first of all. Wait, wait. You said you keep running back to your daddy. I don't know when the last time I seen my pop. She's talking gangster. Now she didn't, she didn't tap into a whole different type of, you know what I'm saying? With that talk? Yeah, she's going to a whole different fan base.

Meet the Barkers. Yeah. She's going to a whole. That's coming. She's going to a psychological shit. And she got the Alabama Barker lookalike in the video. She said she was going to flick on her 182 shots. You posting up big mama like she went you.

Bitch you weird. Miss Piggy. to be fat before the old Zimpic Use a bop, bop, bop. Yo. You use a bop, bop, yo. This is, yo, why I'm,

this is why I don't fuck with y'all because now y'all got me invested in this type of bullshit. Now y'all got me looking for the bad baby Alabama balking. Y'all got me about to jump into that part of the social world.

You didn't see the group chat yesterday? Me to Maris and Pige have our notifications on. Like, we're waiting for this snippet was too crazy. I need to know the moment this shit drops. I'll go, you know, they do the countdown for premieres, I'll be in her super chat. I don't know if Bad Baby is writing this,

but she's delivering the hell out of this. Like, she sounds comfortable. I don't even know why you would question her, pen. I mean, she sounds very comfortable. I have to believe that she's writing it because she sounds very comfortable rapping and like really delivering these bars. Like, she's talking spicy on this shit.

You keep running back to your daddy. You don't know when I last seen my pops is crazy as fuck. when I heard that shit my bitch said she said I blink she's saying it like it's a bad thing to see your pops like you keep running back

I don't know in the last time I seen that's not a I was sitting next to my dad when I listened to this movie yeah that's not like a good like I don't bad baby you shouldn't be like saying it like it's a bad thing

that somebody sees their dad like she said I blink and then 1 882 shots who Travis might It's a different type of drum now

Travis might be on a clock now different type of drum Yota. That was her pain. That's how just I took it. I didn't even catch it. Yeah, but Travis might be on the clock now. He might have to get in this. He might have to get in. Nah, he killed LeBrona situation. He talking about, what was he going to do a drum solo about her? She told him about Blink 182. Okay. See, now, because we talked about this on Patreon.

Metro did. Metro got in and made a beat. He said, I can't rap, but he made a beat. Travis might have to get, you know me? Like, he's going to have to do something. And we did talk on Patreon, subscribe now. Because Alabama was getting washed right now. Let's just keep it a bean. Alabama's getting wrong. Travis needs to start acting like LeBron and fucking confront some of these people. Keep my daughter's name out your fucking mouth.

He got to run down on bad baby. He's like, yo, keep my daughter's name out your fucking mouth. Bad baby being Stephen A in the same. Like real talk, man. But Demeris doesn't make a good point because we were saying, yeah, Travis is going to stay out of this. Like, that's his daughter's business, whatever. I mean, they said your name. Yeah.

What's the lead singer in the bass player? You guys on the clock, too. Blink 180? Yeah, no, they all got to get back in. No, because she didn't miss them. She just said, I blink and it's 182 shots. Like, that's not, that's not a dis. That's a, just an entendre.

Yeah, but don't put me in your entendres, though. That's why I'm at it from Travis Barker. Don't even make me a party. I'm not playing this game with y'all. No, because I got the drum. The kit is right here in the garage. Like, don't play with me. I'll start going crazy.

This is past the kit. It's a different type of kit. But now you have to stay consistent because after the like that verse, when Kendrick didn't say anyone's name. He just said his big me and then did the canine for all the dog shit. You said they got to reply. That entire. So yes, Bad Baby did high level elite raping entendres.

But it did say Blink 182 in that bar. Just because it was some shit that was, you know, like cannabis level doesn't mean that she didn't say anyone's name. She said Blink 182. It's on the clock. All three of them. I mean, I'm just, thank y'all for, you know, making me aware of this situation. But I hate that I'm like really looking forward to like. these rhymes and these late songs now.

Like I'm really waiting to hear with bad. Like I'm mad she's just teasing us with this little 20 clip that she just gave her. Nah, drop the record. I want to hear what you said. Because if that's the bar, well, I don't know when the last time I seen my pops,

all right, man. All right, man. See, now we're dealing with somebody that don't care. What's they like, I'm letting y'all know everything. You thought she cared? Yeah, like she don't. Have you seen her on Dr. Phil? She don't care about shit.

Yeah, man. If you want to know what we're talking about if you're completely lost right now, please sign up for the supervisor level of Patreon where we break the beef down. We do lyrical breakdowns, like everything. We really get into it. Somebody got popped over this.

Like, it's real. Greatest beef all time. Doing a lyrical breakdown on Bad Baby and Alabama Barker is so fucking crazy. Look what y'all got me here doing. And we've been wrong a lot with these Bradbattals. We even said with the Drake and Kennedy's, oh, it'd be cool to just stay on wax and that went off the rails.

Kanye already cleared a sample for Bad Baby. I think Travis is now going to get involved. because just code of the streets said your name, you got to get, you have to be there. Wait till Kanye West show up in her video. Wait till we get a bad baby Kanye West DP. Now, Kanye already came out and put out his statement. Kanye said, I don't know.

I just cleared the record. I do not have a verse that is false because it was rumors going on that Kanye had a verse on bad baby song. And he was like, I do not have a verse. I just got off the phone with Travis Barker and I have nothing to do with this. I can think of one, I can think of one person on earth.

that has a Kanye West sample. I think it's Jay Cole on workout. Yeah. Which was also sampled by something. Who has a Kanye West sample? I was about to say that's real. So many fucking samples. He knew exactly what the fucking was.

The fact, yeah, the fact that he cleared that is crazy. He just thought it was a song. No, you didn't. You knew what time it was. I can't believe Kanye cleared that sample. Why? Because Kanye heard that shit and was like, not his shit. He doesn't clear samples.

I'm saying this is, this is deeper than rap. No, I understand what you're saying now. But that's why I'm just like, just that alone is like, Kanye really cleared a sample for this. Yeah. Yeah, that's wild. There's children involved. Yeah.

This is deeper than rap. Yeah. I get it. I'll get it now. But yeah, y'all can check that out. Check that out on Patreon. Unfortunately. When bad baby get his kids back, then what?

When Bad Baby get his kids? Get Kanye's kids back. Shut up, stupid. I mean, he put it on us and we didn't do it, so I feel like she owes him. Bad Baby's house was targeted by Gunman after. I see. He was not keeping it rap. more. Yeah, now we're going to move it to something else.

Yeah. Just that fast. Her house has been targeted by gunmen. Like, all right, man. Mm-hmm. That three gunmen attempted to, into her home in Los Angeles just minutes after her baby father got to the house. Okay. I've known nothing about her baby father. Also, one of my favorite parts of Patreon was breaking down that legend. But you have to subscribe to hear that. That's the motherfucking goat because her baby father.

Yeah, but I mean... What's his name? Lamar? Levon. Levon. Yeah, but now they, they have to. Obviously, he's into some shit that we know nothing about. I don't think this has anything to do. We joked about the rap battle being involved with the shooting, but I think her baby father is in over his head on something currently, and they are not happy about it.

Yeah. So I don't think, you don't think Bammo was son of the goons? No, I think that bad babies should stay away from whoever this dude is, because he obviously got some shit going on that is now coming to her home. Yeah. Where their child is that? Yeah, we don't want to see any of that shit. So please, man.

Let's have jokes. Let's have fun. Listen to some raps. Break down some bars, laugh. But we don't want to open our phones and see that something happened to anybody, especially not bad baby. That would just be absolutely fucking crazy. No, of course not.

Other new music came out before we move into our next topic. We had predictions about the jello and glow. Stop looking at me and laugh. What? The fuck is funny, yo. I'm laughing at myself. We had predictions about the jello. I still didn't hear this record, so y'all

take it away. Have you heard tweaker? Yes. All right, you don't need to hear it. Okay. No, I won't even say that because I like tweaker. Y'all know I've been a big tweaker. I like it too.

Tweaker was good. This is not good. It's a diet tweaker. Oh, you're not saying, y'all not jacking it because when we heard this was coming out, y'all was like, oh, this is going to be, that's why I said, this is going to be crazy. That's why I said I'm laughing.

He got gliro on it. This is going to be. That's what I thought. And now the shit fell flat. Oh, I was completely wrong. Yeah. That was why I was laughing. I came in here on Thursday.

It's on record. I said this is a certified hit. There's no way Glorilla got on this jello shit. If it wasn't something that was proven. You see Pee's this shit I don't like about them. Oh, apologizing to take accountability? No, no, no, not that. Not that.

Not that. No, Owen, you an apology about a jello song is hilarious. How in one hand can he say, oh, you didn't hear it? You heard Tweaker, right? So basically it's the same record. How is this trash, but then Tweaker ain't trashed? It's a shittier version of. of tweaker that we didn't need.

Man, both of them records is fucking terrible. I ain't even hear this record and I know it's trash. It was a waste of a good glow or a verse. Yeah. Yeah, see, that's the problem. Everybody, always trying to chase a viral moment. You went viral with the tweaker shit. But me as a music head, a music fan, I'm listening to it.

I'm like, oh, this is Chad GBT Cash Money Hot Boys. This is. I mean, that's what they did again. Yeah, I'm like, this one just at a way shittier clip. Then when I seen them at All-Star Week and we've seen them perform. It's like, fam, just go sit down. You're still trying to chase this viral moment. We get it, the Jello, the Ball Brothers NBA, All-Star Week,

and they're trying to tie all of that in. I get it, but I'm a music fan, bro. You're disrespecting the ecosystem of hip-hop with this bullshit. Go sit down. You went viral. Salute. Work on your game. Try to get back in the G-League or something.

Do that. This rap shit, stop, bro. It's not, it's very seldom that ball players are great rappers. Shout out to Dame Dollar. Shout out to Shaq. Even Kobe, A, those guys. You know, who's the guy, the kid, the Christian rapper in the NBA? What's his name?

He went to Duke, tall kid. I forgot his name. Disciple Jeff. Disciple Jeff. Who the fuck is. It's a Patreon callback. It's a Patreon callback. Sorry.

My man. Marvin Bagley? Is it Bagley? I don't even know. I think he's Christian rap. You know, he tries to do his thing. You know what I mean? But it's like, just sit down, man.

Jello, sit down. I know they're trying to recoup that deal. Y'all saying it. I wouldn't even press play on this record. I wouldn't even press play. I don't really see. I think Tweaker's going to continue to play for a few more months. I don't know if this song is going to make any mix.

I don't think we're going to. So you don't see Jello being on stage with Nas at Radio City in front of a four. Well, I mean, I think it's deserving. Yeah. I mean, I would hope it. You think he made his bones already? Unfortunately, January's passed, so we couldn't award him album of the year without one. But I think even if he doesn't have a rap album for next year's cycle,

I think we should still give it to him. Okay. Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, no surprise there. I knew that it would be trash because the first one is trash as far as I'm concerned, but y'all seem to like it and had your little moment with it and made TikToks and all this other shit. Okay. Yeah. We was tweaking. It wasn't no TikToks. It's not no TikToks to this one. I'm sure I'm sure Dev Jam is going to put a dance together and pay influences on TikTok to do it. Okay. But that's it everyone does that. All right. Well, would y'all watch? I know y'all don't want to see Jello.

Would y'all want to watch Antonio O'Brien perform? Put that shit on. What? That record to me is better than tweaker. Antonio O'Brien record is better than tweaking. I don't go fuck what y'all talking about. Okay. Which version?

Wait, he got versions for? Let me see, like, how deep of a music head you are with A.B. The live version with the DJ doing the adlives in the back is the one. That was hard. That's, like, if you're a real music head, that's the version you listen. to. Yeah. Like day 26, I want you for a real ballad, like the ballad live performance. That's the one we

listen to. We don't listen to the album version. Got you. So if you were a real A, B, fan, and you really into this CTE shit and live and die by it, you only listen to the live DJ version. And you gotta have a concussion to really enjoy. You said like you had to have had a concussion at some point in your life. You know how they talk about certain Pink Floyd songs or even certain like Beatles songs, Grateful Dead,

Led Zeppelin that you had to be on acid or be on a substance. To hear it. You gotta hear it. It's good as is, but wait until you take this substance, run your head into a fucking wall and go listen to an A-B tape. You'll see it a whole different experience. A whole different listening session. Pink Floyd, A-B. Yes, same conversation. Same conversation.

Dark side of your brain. Right. I get it. I was wanting to go to Fire Fest anyways. You've been saying that. We've been saying that for a while. Me and Justice are very, very serious about going. With the cool.

Like, just as patrons, like, just ticket-paying people. We didn't even try to, like, reach out. We just want to go. Well, it's supposed to be in Mexico. But the director of tourism for Isla Muharis said that they have no knowledge of this event nor contact with any person or company of it. Ah, so y'all don't understand Billy's genius. This is the rollout. They don't have no knowledge.

They're just playing fake stories. Nah, they let y'all know now. Don't come to Mexico mad when you niggas get bologna and cheese sandwiches again. That ain't got nothing to do with Mexico. He said he continues to suggest that there are red flags all over the place, including the coordinates of the festival location on its website, which is just lead to the ocean between Cancun and Isla Muheris. I'm going to put it this way That shit in the ocean? It's going to be a yacht party.

Oh, okay. No disrespect to the locals of the Bahamas. I know they get it shaken as well. It's not just a vacation resort. Get shaken in the Bahamas. Yeah. That's one thing. If Billy starts fucking with the cartel,

that's going to be a different documentary. You could play a little bit and get out of the Bahamas quickly. It's close to Florida. Yeah. Duh. They are going to put Billy's head on a fucking stick in the middle of Yeah, don't. Hey, Billy, check this out, man. We like the hustle. We respect it. I respect hustle, man. Do not go to Mexico with this shit playing games. If you're going to do this festival, do the festival. Because I, like, Roy, I would, I ain't going to lie. If it looks like it's really going to happen, I would want to go just to see how y'all put it together because I do think that, you know, he had intentions on getting the first one. It just got out of hand, became a bigger, you know, low than he thought. Pause. Now, you know what to expect. You should. You should. should have everything in order to make this thing a real event. Don't go to Mexico playing with

these people and have them, have all these tourists come there and then it ain't no event and it's bologna sandwiches and styrofoam plates. Don't do that. Not this time around. Do you follow Billy on Instagram? No, Rory, I do not. I don't, but he still makes my algorithms, like when he does videos about Fire Fest too. He, his parole board is going to have to have a conversation with him. He's learned nothing. He was not rehabilitated whatsoever. He's sitting there like, all the VIP cabana packs are done now, all sold out in 100, 100 of them in five minutes.

Like, do you learn nothing. You don't even have a location. He's doing all that. And the director of tourism is saying he has no knowledge of this. The coordinates are in the middle of the ocean. And Billy just walking around the West Village, gloating. Yeah, Billy, Billy, Billy, boy, Billy Boy, you on your way to jail again. You on your way.

to direct the tourism don't even know what's happening. Is he even allowed to go out of the country? He's got to still be on parole. Yeah, that's a good question. It was a federal crime. Yeah, that's a good question. You can't leave the fucking country. How long ago was that, though?

He might be good now. He got out post-COVID, though. He was in during COVID. Yeah, like two years. He been out for like two years. Yeah, so he's probably good. He probably not on a restriction no more. He probably did.

Nah, the only, I feel like the only setback with those, like, white-collar crimes where they go to a, resort. I feel like you're just on probation forever because you don't really get any years. But then also like it's technically if it's for work, is it, does it? Like you think Jordan Belford's still not on, like you think he can still trade? No, no, no, no. Let me tell you what Jordan Belford can't do it like. He can never trade a stock again in his life. Absolutely not. Yeah, I don't know if Billy can just run out there without some parole officer saying it's okay. Well, let's plan a trip to Mexico whether it happens or whether it's not. We cover it.

When is that May 30th? They said? They see, yeah, from May 30th to June something, if I'm not mistaken. This sounds bad. This doesn't feel like nothing is happening. Yeah. We ain't seen a picture, a flyer. You don't know how close May 30th is?

Yeah. That's a wild. You don't have a location. I think this is a rollout, honestly. For what, though? What is he rolling out? Firefest, too. I think planting these stories of they're going through the same thing or whatever,

knowing they have something legitimately booked and done that they're going to announce in a week. Could be a strategy, no? Because this is drawing more attention. The way we're talking about like, damn, Billy, he ain't learned a fuck of a thing. And then you see a certified,

sponsored by Verizon, like all this shit where it's like this is legit. May 30th through June 2nd. May 30th through June 2nd and Directive Tourism has no idea what is going on. We have no knowledge of this. This ain't happening, man.

I'm sorry. We're going to bring J-Roole with us, too. Jaya, play games if you want another time. You got out of the first one. The second one on, they might tell you to go in that same cell with Billy Boy. Y'all going to be Sellies now for sure. Either way, I hope it does go down, though, because I think the idea of this festival was dope. It was amazing.

But they need to make it happen. Just like logistically, it's a fucking nightmare. That's why. Of course, the idea is amazing. Yeah. Though on a festival in another country is just, yeah. And like, on an island, people will. camping, it's, yeah, it's not like Coachella

where there's a real infrastructure. Yeah. They didn't even have fucking plumbing, let alone food. Yeah. So imagine drinking. The moment you land, they sent them all to that bar because they still weren't set up, you watch people pouring tequila down they fucking throat.

And have no room. Then you get there and it's a tent in an air mattress that's soaking wet. Wake up with your hangover and there's no water. That's bad. That's, I cannot believe. the fact that that really happened to people People that happened

Have nobody that went there Have they ever been on a podcast And talked about it They experienced? There was the one I feel like there's just more people talking about this shit There was one ginger guy that was in the dock

The one on Netflix that talked He was just someone that bought a ticket About the experience But podcast wise I'm sure there has been I just haven't seen Yeah I haven't seen anybody Should we do a round table

And just go find them No I'm just I think a lot of people are embarrassed They didn't want to say they was there Yeah but I think that But everybody having a you know A studio and podcast.

Now, I think that we would see more people saying, like, yo, that shit was absolutely. Aside from the documentary, I've never seen anybody on social media talking about their experience at the first one. Well, I feel like those people are probably embarrassed because that's probably stupid as fuck. Yeah, but at that point, you laugh at yourself.

Like, yo, they got me. Like, I've just never seen anybody talking about this shit. But whatever, hopefully the second one is actually happens. And, you know, we should have it in some stuff like. And we should look into that. Maybe it never happened. Maybe it's all just to. Mm-hmm.

everything isn't a conspiracy Rory I'll tell you what's not a conspiracy whatsoever Billy trying to put A B on an island what happens

when you put A D on an island again that was a great segue fuck y'all It was terrible Great segue Have y'all spoken to Clay lately?

Nah I've spoken to Clay a little bit On DM probably like a month ago So AD from Love is Blind I forgot which season

that was but obviously AD and Clay would have a breakout and start a couple of that show. Yes, and we had Clay on our podcast. Yes. And we had an incredible conversation, one of accountability, one of laughs, one of redemption.

I feel like a real learning experience. Mm-hmm. And I was not aware that his former fiancé went on another show. Is this the same show? I know Nicklisset is running a racket. Is this also Love is Blind? Or is this Love Island? Her fiancé is from Love is Blind, UK.

Mm-hmm. His name is Ali. And I'm not sure if this was on a Love is Blind show or not. But they talked about it on the reunion. On the reunion, yeah. And they showed it. And so congrats to AD. She is now engaged.

Love that. To Ali from Love is Blind, UK. Now, while we are happy for AD, she's been down this row before. She's been engaged. She's been down that aisle, if you will. She's been down that aisle. She's been engaged. you know, she's been happy, you know.

So, you know, because we love AD and we support her, hopefully this is going to go all the way through. And she'll actually be married and be happy and, you know, have a beautiful family because she seems to be a deserving, deserving woman. So congrats to AD. I'm getting engaged once again. I think it's real because everybody is like crying. And they don't do that often.

So I feel like it's like she finally found love. They cry in the pods when they haven't even seen the person. No, I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the other people. The other people around are kind of like, I'm so happy for her, like she got her true love. So I think it might be real. I hope so. I hope so.

Because AD, she seems like a sweet woman. How do you think Clay handling it? I do want to say our brother, our brother in Christ, Clay, we do love you. You are in front of show. Our brother in blindness. Clay, I'm on your side. He said he loves AD.

I'm on your side, bro. You know how I give it up. I think now finally after this happened. Clay is ready to make an honest woman out of her. Of course. I think now he's like, yo, I'm probably right.

No, I don't do that, man. Clay, Clay, he wouldn't have been ready if they didn't get engaged. But since they got engaged, I think Clay is ready now.

Now, you got to wait until they get married and she gets pregnant, then he could be like that was supposed to be my baby. Yo, nah, see, yeah, not,

Clay is not going to do that. He's not that. This is what niggis do. No, no, Clay ain't going to do that, man. No, after they post like the wedding video,

I could see Clay going in the DMs saying something crypt is like, but does he make you laugh? Nah, man. Why are you paying Clay to be this douchebag like that, man? Nick Lachet paid him to do that. Not me. Nah, man.

I think Clay is, I think he's happy for. I think he's spoken about. I'm sure he's happy. Yeah, he's spoken about her being an asshole. He knows. A good woman. You know, he just wasn't, you know, he wasn't ready.

He was, I think Clay was, we don't give Clay well I did, but we don't, as a whole, don't give Clay enough respect or, you know, praise for being honest with, oh, yeah. True feelings like, like, you all just wasn't really, I wasn't going to, I respect him.

It would have been worse if he went through with it. Again, it's crazy that he left her at the altar. I'm like, damn, bro, you could have did that the day before, the night before. But then we wouldn't be talking about him. But then we wouldn't be talking about it. Contractually. You know, it is what it is. And that's not shade to Clay me and Clay are friends.

And don't do that. We are friends now. I know you was happy when you saw ID. Not because for her happiness for Clay's misery. I know. Clay is not going to be miserable. Clay is currently in some pussy right now. He hasn't even woken up and seen the news yet.

Like, what are we? Why are we acting? Like, we don't know who. we talk about here. Clay is good. Clay is, he's happy. I'm sure he's happy for A D. He says he loves her and when you love somebody really love them, especially when you love them enough not to be with them. You are happy when they find happiness. It's probably a little bite. Like the great, the great May said, I want to see you happy girl, even if it's not with me. I'm saying, y'all, you wasn't, you wasn't coming. You still eating spaghetti

sandwiches when May said that. And then 50 remixed the song and said, I don't want you happy if you're not with me. Yeah. And I identified way more of 50 on Oh, man. He said that's a bullet wound. Bitch, I ain't made. Y'all ain't never, like, had to watch somebody you love, be happy with some of my else? Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

I think that's a pretty normal thing. Do you pretend to be happy for them? I was happy for them. Okay. Like genuinely happy. In the crib, nobody around. You're still happy. Yeah.

Oh, okay. I'm genuinely happy for any girl I've ever dated that is happy now. Like, I don't. I've seen people that have done me wrong be miserable, and I can't lie that I'm. I didn't sit alone in my house with a smile. Oh. But the opposite, if I cared for someone in love, yeah, of course I want to see them happy.

Just want them fucking miserable because we're not together. I don't think for the rest of their life. I've dated. I've dated and, you know, broke up or whatever. They start dating dudes that I know any shit. And I'm just like, but wait a minute. How you was having all of this with me and was, but now you sit here front like you happy with this dude?

Cut it out. Is that internal dirty mac? He dressed it up better. You learn how to dress it up. Dress it up and make it real for me. Is it not better? Dirty Mac okay? Huh?

Is internal dirty Mac okay? What do you mean? Because I felt the same feelings as morals had, but I didn't express them because that would be dirty macing but I did feel them. No, so then that's just feelings.

You're free to feel whatever emotion. Yeah, I never expressed it to the woman. Like, no, I wouldn't never do that. So we could all internally. But your mutual friends who was getting that off, right? No, I never said it to like a mutual friend. I'm just like, look at the relay.

I'm just like, I know he ain't shit. Like, I know you're not happy because he do shit and he got shit with him that I never had in our relationship. relationship. So how to... Like what? She went up to Tompkins to see the dudes to trust.

Just like baby mama drama, shit like that. Like he's probably an alcoholic. You know, coming home, we probably didn't smacked you a couple times. Like, Jesus Christ. Yeah, that type of shit. It's like, you still, like you ain't happy. There are women, not me, but there are women who would prefer

domestic violence over... There are women that... There's a term of that of whatever Stockholm syndrome or whatever the fuck it is. Yes. victims start feeling okay with their abuser. Like that doesn't mean it's good. No.

They're not happy. They think they're okay, but they're not. No, some women, again, just to clean it up a little bit, some women do prefer toxic environment, toxic energy. They're used to it. That's what they're used to. So when they have a healthy environment, they don't know how to accept it and be like, yo, there's nothing wrong. Everything is fine. In this scenario, you were the healthy environment.

Well, in comparison to homie. Okay. In comparison. Absolutely. All right. Now, I got my shit with me. What would your shit be? What do you think your shit is?

Let's dive deep. Yeah, we talk about mine every episode. Probably lack of communication. Like when it comes to certain things that I'm just like in a relationship that I just wouldn't address. Maybe like things like that. I know how that could be like strenuous on a relationship, not addressing certain things and not talking about certain things. Yeah. But I also do make it a comfortable space to talk about it.

I may not initiate the conversation. And there's certain things I may not want to talk about. Like, I'm not going to keep trying to prove my, you know, loyalty and honesty to a woman. Like, if you don't trust me, let's just not deal with each other. That's my resolve. Okay. You don't trust me? Cool.

We can go outside every ways. I'm not going to sit here and keep being on probation. Like, yo, home by 830. Like, if you communicate it, you could be trusted. Yeah, I'm not. No, but I do. But I'm not going to communicate my every move. I'm not, who, I'm a grown man.

I'm not going to be like, yo, stop in here. Hey, stopping here. Shared my location going here. I'm not doing that. Well, maybe she just wanted you to communicate at the times you weren't just trying to beat. Instead of like, yeah, what you're doing tonight? Like, yo, you still out? Question mark.

At the times I wasn't trying to beat? Yeah, like that was the time you would communicate best is when you were trying to fuck. Or have her come through. No. Lady of the night. Okay. No, Rory. Lady of the night.

I don't know why you're trying to paint me as this guy. See, you paint me as guy. gay and then now you paint me as a guy that first of all my mother did that. I mean, I know I'm affiliated with her. You set the screen though. She shot the shot, but you set the screen for mom to get that way. Because I guarantee you ain't get angry like mom, fuck out of here. Like, mom was not gay. Like, yo, don't even say no shit like that. You ain't say that. That would probably make me even more gay. Like if

he defended me to his mother like that, like talk like that. My mom would look at me. Yeah, like, y'all. Y'all fucking? Yeah. I'm about to say somebody. I'm like, yo, wait, that was a little too too aggressive. Like, you all right? Y'all good over there at the studio? Like, what y'all be doing? My mom's one of those older school Irish women that just puts gay on everyone. I like it.

Grew up in the church. Yeah. Just everybody's gay. I'm familiar. You know, well, you haven't been to college, but they do freshman orientation in the summer before. And like your parents can be, I guess, there for like the beginning part of it. And I was hanging with someone that was going to be on the track team as well, who I didn't think was gay. But my mom, as she was leaving and I was saying goodbye, said, oh, I'm so proud of you.

I was like, for what? hanging out with somebody gay like that's cool that you don't care i'm like mom i don't think he you spent like 30 minutes with him he was just at our orientation table i respect moms i respect mom she know her gay dollars up okay in her defense he was gay he is now a flight attendant oh oh yeah if you're a flight attendant you're definitely gay he flame from a soul plane that's crazy what's funny the fact that you remember his name is crazy i didn't even know that that was name is so plain. Flame was the name of that flight attendant? Wasn't aware of that character even was. Yeah. Like, I thought that was just the gay flight attendant. I know his name. Flame,

did you just grind at me? A little. That's crazy. That's a classic. He was hilarious, man. That shit was hilarious. Huh. All right. Are you automatically gay if you're like a male flight attendant? No. Or he was trying to get us out of here. Roy was trying to get us out. To be honest, that's a cool gig. Like, I don't think it's, I don't think straight men. See, this is what he does. See, No, no, no, no. That's a cool gig. I never said it wasn't a cool gig.

I'm saying I think straight men should pursue that more. Like, that's a really good gig. But I think everyone has in their mind that that is more of a woman and gay man job. But there's a lot of straight men that do that. I landed. Yo, this is what he does, man. He tried to leave me on the island by myself. Whole time, he got a cabana here too, nigga.

You got a cabana right next to my. Yes, you feel like mail flight. are gay. I've definitely seen a straight male flight attendant more than once. That I mean... If you could count them, that means he counted. Yeah, Roy, you... What the fuck?

As much as we travel, we only see two straight male flight attendants? Statistically, yes. Women, then gay men, I'm sure if we looked up those stats of who works as flight attendants, it would be women, then gay men, and then straight men. But there is straight men. Yeah, there's definitely straight men that do it. Yeah. Because I flirted with a flight attendant.

We have to bring... Actually, let's bring back DEI. More straight men need to get those. jobs. I think we are being oppressed. I think Dochie oppressed us yesterday. I think the flight attended schools are oppressing us. DEI is important for straight white men to get

that job. We want to be flight attendants too. We want to be sky waitresses. Maybe y'all don't apply because y'all think it's a gay job. You know how much pussy you could crush if you had a white guy? I want to say a heterosexual man he don't want to be a cracking open ginger rails on a flight. He want to fly that motherfucker.

That's, I don't think that's the That's the only thing that should be cut out of this car. That's wild. What? Why should that be cut out? There's nothing wrong. We're cracking open gingerails. Yes, nothing wrong with that law.

And there's plenty of straight men that do that already as bartenders. Except they don't get the fly for free. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, a bartender on the flight? You know, remember the, uh, Chris and the in the video when they were the only two straight guys at the all-girl school? Mm-hmm. You, with those numbers, you crushing pussy.

I'll open a gingerail for that. I just think that statistics would show that there's a very low number of heterosexual male flight attendants. Yeah, I agree. Okay. That's all. That's all you were saying. That's the only thing that you conclude this. I'm just saying the numbers are on my side.

The conversation is what I'm saying. I think that the numbers support what I'm saying is all I'm trying to say here. That's it. Okay. I also don't think there's a high number of games. men on oil rigs in the North Sea. I hear you. Yeah, there's just,

you're playing the stat game. That's all. Exactly. That's all I'm doing. You're a numbers guy. DeMaris, your bartender. So there is around 79% female flight attendants and 21% male flight attendants.

That's actually a higher number than I thought. Yeah, they don't say how many of them are straight. But that would be a great, like, retirement job. I would do that. Just get to travel everywhere. and why not become a pilot? Because that's a lot of, why not? That's like if I say I want to go into dentistry and you're like, yeah, I want to go into

dentistry. I want to be a dental assistant. You're like, hey, why not aim for the sky and go be a cardiac fucking surgeon? No, like, I don't want to add an additional five years of school. Oh, yeah. I would love to do heart transplants. I just don't think I'm the one that should be doing it. I think in order to get your pilot license, you probably need just as much flight hours logged in

in as a flight attendant. No. No, and it's also way more schooling and harder, way more pressure. It's way more pressure to flydest thing than the crack open to ginger rail to Marishua. First of all, don't do that because I know a lot of flight attendants, and that school is about safety. They're not teaching you how to fucking give peanuts. Pilots have to understand. They're part of the flight crew.

No, of course. We know being a pilot is tougher than being flight attendant, a podcaster, anything along those lines. Yeah. But let's not act like they're not safety experts of the plane. And that's really why they're there. Just when there's not an emergency, which, thank God, they don't happen that often. They give us drinks. Yeah.

But their role is really to be the flight crew to help in an emergency. And there's been a lot of emergencies lately. So let's not act like they're not earning their keep lately. Yeah, they're on the front lines right now. I mean, it's not been a lot. If we think about how many flights take off and land every day. But you never know. Yeah.

No, listen, I'm impressed to anybody that we've lost. We've seen a lot of tragedy this year with flight. So, yes. And shout out to all of our flight attendant listeners. I am not disrespecting your job at all. I'm not disrespecting the job at all. I'm just saying the numbers lean towards, what is it, 21% male? Yes.

And I think we should bump those numbers up. I believe in equality, gender equality. I think that should be something we should look into. Before we go any further, I want to send a rest in peace to Dwayne Wiggins. Yeah. One of the founding members of the legendary Tony, Tony, Tony. Lost him over the weekend. He lost his battle with cancer.

So we want to send a prayer to the entire family. You know, you talk about just legendary bands and music and groups. Tony, Tony is right there at the top of a lot of those lists. So prayers condolences to Dwayne Wiggins and his entire family. And we also forgot last week to send a prayers and condolences to the family of the legendary Roy Ayers. Yeah. I mean, can't count how many times his music has been sampled. some, you know, most legendary music that we've had and continue to listen to and continue to sample and continue to hear over and over.

So prayers condones us to the family of the legendary musician, Mr. Roy Ayers. Yeah, for sure. And I felt terrible that we forgot about that. Yeah. I mean, we set it on Patreon right after, but still need to sit on the regular episode as well. I guess before we get to possible voicemails, do we want to discuss this? Drusky thing or just wait to see if more comes out for him and O'Dell. It's not much.

I mean, I don't personally from what I've seen that it feels a little off. But I mean, Odell and Drusky came out right away and was like, this is stupid. This is not real. Yeah, to me, to me, you know, a lot of that stuff we're going to hear about that case and around it is not even more talking about. It's a lot of bullshit. I mean, some of it is true.

But I think this situation is just something that, you know, it's just somebody through of these guys, these individuals' names out there, and because it is a court case and it is documented that, you know, their names came out, but I don't think that there's much, much validity to any of that. How was a lawyer still, like, allowed to practice after that? Because Drusky made a very logical point in regards to everything. I was not even famous at this. I was broke in my mom's script. How on earth could I be at Diddy's house doing this?

Yeah. Like, did not know Diddy? This is insane. How does that even get into court? But that was dabble for me. Like how does no one go, hey, this, there's no fucking way that should even be printed. But this is going back to the Jay Z situation and the lawyer Tony Busby. This is what Jay was saying.

Like, there should be some penalty for lawyers that just do things like this and put people's names out there without. If you want to risk it, you got to have some risk here. You have to stand behind the risk of just throwing my name into some bullshit. So I think this is another one of those situations and I don't think there's much to it. Yeah. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

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And listen now. Do we have voice mails? We have one. Our first one in a while. It's a really simple voicemail. If you guys want to listen to it, just a guy asking for advice. Okay.

You've got mail. Hey, what's up, Pod family. It's Malcolm from South Africa again. Shout out to the podcast, as always, still listening, still supporting. So I come today not to discuss politics and economics, like in the last voicemail I sent. I don't know if you remember that. I come today because I need some advice on a woman, right? So I'm in the Miami area, and there's a girl I started speaking to. And when I say this is generational talent. I mean, this is Steph Curry fused with LeBron James. She is a girl. absolutely breathtaking. And we've been speaking for the past, you know, few months, not exclusively, and I prefer that. We're still doing, you know, we're still speaking to other people doing our own things, but we go on dates and the sorts. Now, I'm a gift giver. That's one of my love languages. Like, I love giving people, like, if I see meet a woman and I see a genuine future, I love, like, gifts that make her life easier, like a spa day, go to your nails, here's Uber, money, here's groceries, that type thing. But obviously, I'm in the Miami area. And,

She has attracted like a lot of athletes, the interest of a lot of athletes, a lot of celebrities, et cetera, et cetera. So the question I have to use, how do I ensure that the sentiment behind the gifts that I give doesn't get lost on her? Like that she doesn't just view this as another nigger that's love dumping or just wasting, splurging cash on her. Everyone's perspective would be appreciated. Baby Dee, as the spokesperson of all women, I'd love to hear your point of view. as always love the podcast New Rory and Morfever shout out

heard they do a lot of love dumping in Dubai that's what it originated first we're gonna get into that too because I saw an article on that but let's answer this gentleman I'm sorry I was laughing when he said the N word Peege looked at me like Peeze didn't believe

he should be saying that but he sounds like he's African like he's South African so maybe definitely I mean you can be a white South African but I don't think I don't think you know I don't think you know

I don't think you know All right, before we get to the question His name is Malcolm I don't know. Mac Miller's name was Malcolm. Is that Mac Miller's the real name? Yeah. No.

It is? Yes. Malcolm? Yes. That's fucking hilarious. There's white Malcolm's. There's not a lot. Yeah. Malcolm in the middle was white, wasn't he?

Yeah. Wasn't he as crazy? What did you think he was? Yeah. Yeah. points have been made. Not many white Malchams, but there's a couple out there. When you've ran into a woman that is gorgeous and you're trying to find a way to describe her beauty to your friends.

I always compared to sports. Always. She's Kobe and Shaq. Could you imagine Iverson's handle with Tim Duncan's height? Yeah. That's usually how I do with Yokic's passing ability. But I don't think he was describing her looks. Just who she was.

She's the goat. She's the greatest. He said generational talent. I'm sure he was referring to something else. What you think? I mean, it probably was some of that. in there too, but he says she's absolutely beautiful. But to me, that's even nastier if

what DeMaris is insinuating here is also described based off two grown men in the NBA. Generational talent. Yeah, she's, well, listen, I've met some generational talent in my life, so I can understand what this gentleman is saying. So his question was, how does his gifts, his

you know, I guess love language, how does it not get lost upon, I guess, what other guys are trying to do for her, trying to... Yeah, he wants to know what type of gifts to give so that his gifts stick out, and it's not something that she's just like, oh, another one, thank you. Well, I mean, we can't really answer that. The only answer would be to pay attention to details and specific things.

Yeah, what type of woman is she... Small things that she would like and appreciate. I mean, there's plenty of women... Well, we just did an episode two weeks ago where a woman didn't appreciate the small gesture of, what was it? How much money did that gentleman? $130. Yeah. So it's not the small... She got to teach her a loan out of it.

Yeah, but you got to just know your woman, know who you're dealing with, know what she likes, know the type of woman she is. We can't really speak to it because we don't know this woman and you're saying that she's getting the eyes and attention from, you know, athletes and, you know, rich men. So I... I think it's actually an interesting question because there are... We've all dealt with women... With women that deal with...

men that have money far greater lengths and a generational wealth if you will based off those contracts the way to stand out is really your personality and the smaller things that you do this whole generation is completely fucked because every girl's been to tau no matter who the fuck they are every girl's been flown to turks on a girl's trip but like that shit is so regular now that the things that would stand out those huge gestures most regular women have had before based off instagram it's Okay, let's not say that. First of all, well, I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all. No, but let's not say that because our regular listeners who listen to this podcast,

look at y'all like y'all are fucking insane. When y'all say that most regular women have been blown out. I know so many regular women with followers at 1,000 at most that have been flown out by very rich men just because they're pretty. Those guys scour the internet. But that's not the base. Those women are also extraordinarily beautiful. That's not the, those are not regular women.

All right. Let the flight attendant land his fucking point. he's dealing with those type of women clearly because they're interacting with famous people and athletes that have accessible resources. All those women have probably been flown out, all those big things that you think would be the greatest shit to do for a woman

is regular to them. So the very small gestures that I think used to get clowned are the stuff that stands out. So I would just focus on that instead of trying to compete with somebody that has a $100 million contract and could take her to fucking fashion

week tomorrow if she feels like it. Go make her laugh and pay attention to what she actually likes in real life. Yeah, I think that's the key. You got to you got to tap into something outside of just, you know, love bombing, as he said, gifts and things like that. Like, she has to like your personality. Obviously, she does. Just somebody that you're dealing with.

So she likes something about you. I think just, yeah, continue to be yourself, man. You can't worry about all that other shit and kind of factored that into how you move in your relationship with her. like, you know, it is what it is. Like either she's going to be with you and, you know, you have her undivided attention and y'all are going to enjoy each other or she's going to get bored with you and, you know, maybe her likes and her needs, you know, turn into something else and you can't really provide that for her anymore.

And she's going to end up, you know, somewhere else. But that happens even if she isn't catching the eyes and attention of, you know, rich guys. Like if a woman isn't that type of woman and she's bored with you and you're not, you know, like, feeding her wants and eats the way she wants to, she's going to find somebody else to do it. And, I mean, for example, too, outside of, like, gifts, even though I know that's his love language, if she's used to, like, fancy restaurants or whatever, and you know a really cool local spot that has way better food and is more low-key, like, nice little food truck. Like, if she doesn't appreciate that type of stuff, then maybe she's not the one for you.

And I don't think there's anything wrong with women that just want five-star Michelin shit. Like, that's fine if not knocking you. But that's not a girl that I'd probably want to hang out with. We could do that sometimes, but if we're not going to a concert of a half unknown artist with only 200 people in the crowd and then getting a taco truck I know and you can't have fun in that, then you're not really for me. But that can make you stand out because you're not doing the typical South Beach restaurant. Like you're showing her your world and what you're into. That stands out. Cool shit.

Yeah. Not just things that are cool on social media. Like the real cool shit. If you know, you know this place is known for this specific thing. Like you like pizza. I know a crazy pizza spot. Best pizza in the city. You know, you like pasta.

You like, you know, little things like that. Just feed her intellect. Feed her, you know, teach her some new things. Show us some different things that she may not know about. I think that's how you kind of tap into a woman and kind of stand out amongst, you know, the other guys that may be trying to pull at her attention. When it comes to gifts, when it comes to gifts and women, if you're going to regular, since you said gift giving is your love language. which we love a gift giver, make sure that you can maintain whatever level of gifts you are doing. So if you can afford, if you regularly want to give gifts because that's how you show love the most,

make sure you can maintain the level of gifts you're buying. So if you can't maintain Turks trips once every three, four months, then don't even set that standard. Because then that's going to become what she's come to expect and what she's going to attach to you. And then once you can't do it anymore, it looks like you were fronting. And that's more unattractive than anything. So make sure you can maintain whatever energy you start with. And most importantly— But that's tough too, though, what you just said?

Because what if he can't afford to go to Turks? What if he can afford to go to Disney World? No, but that's what Demer is saying. That's what I'm saying. No, but I'm just saying. There's certain months where maybe you could finally afford that Turk's trip, that can't be something that's just in your wheelhouse at all times. Like the gifts you give.

That's not fair. I know. Because say I can afford it right now. Welcome to being a man. Like yo, like yo, yo, I could book a nice. We can go to the Cayman Islands. We can go to Turks. But right now in my life, yo, I can't like, we can't.

We can't spend a nice little weekend in Charlotte, though. Just because I introduce it to you doesn't mean that I have to sustain it. It's like, yo, then I could afford it. Right now I can't. If you can't do it because I'm just talking. But that don't mean you should never do it because he can't sustain it. No, I'm saying a consistent thing. If throughout the year.

he's like, yo, takes her to Turks like three times in a row. She's going to expect that as this relationship continues. Who the fuck is going to Turks three times? I don't know who would have the time to do that, but I understand the hypothetical of what it is. So did I get it correct or no? Yes. Yes. My point is not never that you shouldn't do anything for her that you can only do once.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is because he said his love language is gift giving. That's the only reason why. When it comes to gifts, whether it's diamonds, whether it's a fucking bag of double stuff Oreos, make sure you can maintain that gift giving throughout the relationship and that you're not love bombing me with gifts and then just to get my attention and to try to separate yourself and then you can't continue that energy because that's now what I've attached to you. Let's even make it less of a money thing and more of an attention pattern thing. If you send roses to her job every Thursday with a card of saying thinking about you and then you have to continue to do that.

Like six months in you can't stop the roses on Thursday. you started this pattern. This is what's expecting. And when you stop doing that, she's going to question if you even like her. And on top of that, most importantly, like I was saying,

most importantly, if that girl likes you, it don't matter who else is buying anything else for her. Granted, she's going to have a bunch of standards that these are standards that she wants met. And those are different for every girl, right?

Like, those are all different for every girl. But if she likes you, you don't worry about standing out. I will continue to be you. And you will stand out. And if you don't, then you were not the person for her. And another thing on top of that, your love language doesn't matter when it comes to trying to win somebody over.

Your love language does not matter. Her love language just matters. So how you show love, and we've had this conversation before, if you're a gift giver and gifts don't mean shit to her, then your love language means nothing to her because she's not feeling loved because that's not how she received love. If she's a words of affirmation person and you need to tell her you love her, but you're not doing that. You're just buying her a bunch of gifts. She won't feel loved because that's not what she recognizes as love.

So that's something that you need to have as a conversation with her to make sure that her love language is receiving gifts. Just because she's a bad bitch and there's a bunch of people buying things for her doesn't mean that that's her love language. That just might be what she's used to. You need to get to know her and get to know her love language. But apparently y'all have time for that because you said that neither one of y'all are exclusively dating each other right now anyway. So y'all are still He got a hoax Yeah

He's giving everyone a gift He's dumping on everyone And if it doesn't work out Just always remember Still be though No Just remember that it wasn't meant to be And that's your person

That's coming for you Isn't that the same Yeah I think that's the same I think that's the exact Exactly Yeah that's the piecey way We're saying the same thing Yeah still hit

It's another one coming It was another chick coming In 10 minutes Don't worry about it Mad gifts for her Yeah All right well this has been another cool episode.

This is good seeing y'all after a weekend away from y'all. We saw each other every day last week, Rory. Yeah. It was good not to see your face for a couple days. Yeah. And tomorrow we won't see each other. I can't wait. I feel like so many activities I can do when I don't see your face.

Facts. You get so much done, Rory. I'm the one stopping. It's your face. It's something with, it's here. Why don't see it? Let's go to the hookah spot tomorrow. I don't want to see you, Rory.

I don't want to see you. I don't want to talk to you. Leave me alone. I get so mad, Rory You don't want to escape with me anymore? No, Rory, you don't understand. When I'm home and I see your name pop up with my phone, I get so frustrated.

What does he want? Yeah. And you come like, yeah, so, uh, does you see this tweet? No, man, leave me the fuck alone. I don't want to see no tweets. I'm not on Instagram. Leave me alone, Roy. Yeah, put your phone.

I do not disturb. Go do some fucking activities, man. I was. I multitask. Okay, yeah, just stop hitting my phone one off days. All right, man. D&D. Put that shit right on D&D.

Nobody could get through. Oh, baby D, while we're here, I do want to apologize last week because you were upset at me because I laughed at a post. And I didn't want you to think that I was laughing at you. I was laughing at the post because we had just laughed about the post. So I don't want you to think that it's not love. It's always love for me to you. I love you.

And I support you. I just thought that the post was funny because we said that it was going to end up being a post. Well, Rory said it was going to end up being. in a post. So I want to apologize publicly. Do you feel like you did something wrong? No, I didn't feel like I told them. So then why you apologizing? Because you felt like I did something wrong. I told you that?

Well, your energy felt. Your energy spoke to me. Damn, my energy spoke to you? I'm an energy. My name is love language. Yeah, I'm an energy reader. I read energy well. I read energy. So, you know, they brought it to my attention, me, and where we spoke about it. And I was like, but I didn't do anything wrong. Like, I have that thing in me. I know when I'm doing something.

I think any healthy mental person, knows when they're doing something wrong. At no point that I think what I did was wrong. So when me and Rory spoke about, I was like, yo, well, what did I? I laughed. I got laughed at, nobody got laughed at in 2024 more than me. Nobody. I was laughed at more than anybody on the planet Earth last year.

I ain't laugh at you, though. What? I laughed at you to your face. I laughed at you to your face. I wouldn't go on nobody. But I couldn't laugh at you to your face because we weren't together when that happened. But you had already laughed, pool. You had already laughed at me to my face about it.

We had already had that conversation. And then when it made a post, when a post was made, which Rory said it probably was going to end up being a post, I was laughing at that. So it was just all, I thought we were all laughing together. I have a question. Okay. If, if when niggas was saying disrespectful shit about you and making fun of you on the internet, if I laughed, if I had hashtag DJ head, if I had retweeted at and laughed, would I have a job? Yeah. Okay.

This is been another episode of a new or a warium. You've laughed at me on the internet before? No, I have not. Not when it comes, not when it came to all that shit. People calling you a dick writer and all that shit. But nobody, but that's where I think we was, we was on a different page because I didn't think that that post was disrespectful. Nobody said nothing disrespectful about you.

It was just kind of like laughing at the, you know, the wishwashy switch side and it was like that energy. But it wasn't like, oh, this fucking girl's a fucking get her out of here. She's a fucking clip rider. Even after the second post, you still didn't feel that way. What was the second post? I got posted again. did you another yes I did another out of context clip oh yeah I laughed at that but I didn't laugh on

the post though because that wasn't that it was like oh this is another post but that the first post I laughed that because we had just spoke about that being a post but it wasn't like I wasn't laughing at you I was laughing at the post you get what I'm saying so that's why I didn't feel like I did not wrong but because you felt like I did something wrong I have to apologize and let you know that it wasn't a personal laughing at demarris thing it was just laughing at that becoming a post that's all that was got it do you accept my

apology sure no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no we ain't doing sure we ain't doing sure do you de Maris she gave you an answer accept my apology I don't I don't I don't I don't

I don't know what you I don't know what you want for me I'm asking you do you accept my apology I don't know why you're I don't know we have been in this office how many times since that happened. And how many hours, no, how many hours?

That was only one time. That we were off camera that you could have did this apology. That's number one. Number two, you're not sorry. I'm sorry you one time since that happened. You're not, you're not sorry because you don't think that you're going to be anything wrong. It's a difference.

I'm never sorry. So then what's the definition of I apologize? What are you apologetic for? I'm apologizing if you took what I did as something that was like, you know, laughing at you. Not it was weird. Like laughing isn't weird. I just laughed at a post.

Like, that's not, I laugh at everything. Laughing shit about me. Like, I laugh. Okay. But it wasn't, but because you took it personally and you took it like I was laughing at you, I have to clear that up and let you know, like, no, that's not. I wasn't laughing at you. I was laughing at that actually becoming a post after we spoke about it becoming a post.

That's all it was. Okay. And we only saw each other once after that happened. You saw, I saw you Wednesday and I saw you Thursday. And today is Monday. So I saw you twice? this is the third time you also have my phone number yeah but i got apologize publicly i can't you know so then the apology's not for me it's for no it's for you but i'm apologizing because it was something

that was public it was a public post that you felt away about so i have to apologize publicly to you see what i'm saying yeah i could have called you behind the scenes by yo my bet but that don't really it's like no man nigga you're still laughing on the post though so i could have done that but then i would have had to apologize publicly as well so i'm just apologized publicly because I don't want you to feel like I was laughing at you. I'm never laughing at you. And if it was something disrespecting you, I would have never laughed at it. Okay.

But I didn't think that was disrespecting you. I thought it was just a funny post. So I laughed. Okay? Got it. This has been another beautiful episode. Why are you looking like that? You're looking like a nigga in H.R.

That's just trying to sit there and watch two co-workers. Nothing's on your computer. You didn't pull up all day on your laptop. Close your laptop. You didn't pull up shit. Close that fucking lap. top. Sending a tweet.

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