New Rory & MAL - Episode 354 | Thin Mint Mafia

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

Happy Tuesday to our new listeners and our true listeners. We’re back after a fun-filled weekend. Demaris & Rory were outside engaging in grown up degeneracy - Freddie Gibbs and well curated cocktails, and planning for their vacation next week (5:37). Meanwhile, Playboi Carti was busy proving them wrong about his superstar status after his highly-anticipated album dropped over the weekend, breaking streaming numbers (26:22). This leads into a conversation about SZA breaking another streaming record, and why artists from the past shouldn’t be compared to artists from now in regards to numbers. (43:23) Dreamville’s final lineup dropped - we discuss who we would want to see on the bill, and which of us would even be allowed on the premises (54:22). After we, of all people, lecture Rolling Stone on journalistic integrity after a hiccup on their part, we discuss SXSW’s transition from just tech into music, and how it affected the underground music scene (1:08:02). Speaking of impact, the Girl Scouts of America are making a different kind of money while running a different kind of racket, and since no one will address it - we do (1:26:59). We also have a voicemail from a Rory Type Beat, that has us make some corrections about interracial dating, and black culture itself in America (1:39:27).   *Timestamps may vary due to ads*See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The volume. We are back. Happy top of the week. You guys have me working on a high holy day. I cannot believe this. This feels like sacrilegious that I'm working on such a major holiday like this. Now you know how it feels. We don't work every Martin Luther King Day, every black hits every month.

I mean, to honor him. Parks Day. Yeah, you've got to work to honor, honor the great people that are no longer here. And didn't Elon take away all DEI? Like, there's no more holidays, right? I don't know if holidays fall into DEI, but. Oh, I thought that's what they. We got a few of those DIs out of here, though.

Your racistometer has been going off all one. Like, I don't know. It's like you waited for where to get over and got crazy with it. Okay. I mean, I feel like I'm racist 12 months out of the year, but, you know, today may be a little extra sauce on it. Yeah. Should I say,

hey, the Irish people had to struggle the same way? Should I throw that one on there? Because we can go down that route if you want. If you're going to do it, it's your only day to do it. It's the only day you can get that off and nobody can't get mad.

Yeah, man, we got to celebrate St. Patrick chasing the snakes away. So do you eat cabbage and cornbeap today? Yeah. Yeah, I'll probably mix them. Okay. Maybe a little shepherd's pie, which we still have to do our shepherd's pie off.

I didn't forget about that. No, let's do it. I'm excited because you don't even use tomato paste in yours. So that's how I know I'm going to win. Okay. What type of kit, like, should we rent a kitchen? How should we do it? You have a huge kitchen.

Why would y'all rent one? I guess. It could be fun like the side by side, like cooking at the same time. Oh, okay. We should even put a time limit on it. Like, rush for no reason. Like, really make that shit. Call it Rush to Shepherds Five.

And Peach can play Gordon Ramsey. Yeah, Peach. That's our tastometer. Teastomit. Peach judges our Patreon drafts. He judges food. Yeah. He's a connoisseur of all things. Exactly. Which, speaking of which, out right now, we did a rapper, R&B, what would the best way to describe it?

R&B rap collab. We did that draft, smoked everyone's boots naturally, especially on St. Patrick's Day. But, you know, that was a light win. Nah, they was Jack and the best of me, Maya, though, over, over Dilemma. It's, last time we checked what, it was like 50-50. That's tough. I didn't. 50? Yeah. Oh, the streets is done. Dilemma is like a song song That's a fucking R&B classic

With rap Best of Me is just a classic That's what I'm saying No, you're not saying nothing Didn't I take Best of Me? I don't even remember Exactly, you did it What are you talking about?

Yeah, but then I went home And listen to Dilemma Dilemma I mean Dilemma is a good song I don't want to say it's not a good song But it's not when that comes on Versus when Best of Me Remix comes on

It's just not the same Two totally different scenarios Like what wherever you at If any of those songs Either one of those songs come on It's a different reaction When Best of Me remakes comes on Over the weekend I did listen to Lema though

And I forgot how classic that that really was I that Carolina blue shit Did fog my brain I forgot that Nellie was really picking them up Like a shortstop Everything It's just not the same It just doesn't hit the same

That's all I'm saying Good record though Speaking of music and the weekend I did lock DeMaris in a car And made her listen to Freddie Gibbs Was it Saturday? Yes Sorry to hear that.

Uber's kept canceling. I put the child lock on, so she couldn't even get up. But, you know, finally she's one of us. She fully understands. She apologized. She said she was wrong. She agrees. Wrong about what?

Freddie Gibbs is not the greatest current rapper. Did she say it? No. I promise you, I did not disagree. And if I did, I don't remember if I did, we were literally in a lot garage and a lot car and the car was running. So I probably had carbon monoxide poisoning. So I probably don't remember it.

Well, you need the full. You need the full. effect like monoxide yeah yeah yeah to hear those dope bars you gotta be a little high yeah no you didn't hear his you didn't hear his album that was your first time listening to a freddie album um i had no it wasn't my first time listening to a freddie album i had listened to freddie before for research but the latest one for what were you researching how to cook a brisk vice vice lords yeah not how not to go to gerry indiana yeah like what was you researching like rory was like but nah i feel like you weren't paying attention during that bar and like kept running it back yeah are you listening like i'm like

oh i can't listen to music people like that. Yeah, it was, it was, it was rough. Like Freddie, and I told him, I said, Freddy's a good rapper. I'm not saying that. His, his tone and delivery is just a little rugged for me to listen to every day. And Roy just wouldn't accept that as an answer. He was trying to convince me that Freddie Gibbs is the greatest rapper of all time. Facts. So, well, my real issue was, I didn't even want to do the Cole and Freddie thing. We all, we all love Cole and we know Demaris. That's one of her favorite rappers, which I totally understand. But I know the real Demaris. She's a degenerate. Freddie Gibbs is elite rapping about degenerate shit.

Everything Demaris loves and has went through outside of like selling fentanyl and Gary Indiana, Freddie raps about her life. That's why I like Freddie a lot too. As great as Cole is, sometimes a little too fucking positive for me. Okay. Like sometimes I need to relate to somebody and Freddie is a piece of shit like me. So Damaris, knowing that's my evil twin, she should relate to this just as much as I do. I do relate to it.

There's plenty of music that I might allegedly relate to. But it's just like, oh, I'm not, I'll listen to this. It's good, but I'm not going to throw this on in the crib to clean. Like I'm, I think y'all forget sometimes I am just a girl. And sometimes shit is just a little, a little rough for me, just a little aggressive for me to be. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend throwing Freddie on the clean. I don't think that's. I have.

I just don't know how much cleaning you're going to get done. Like Freddie in the background. Can't clean it some madlit beats? I don't know if I'm, I don't know if I've ever listened to Freddie Gives while I was cleaning up. I don't know if I've ever done that. Maybe I'm just weird. Like, I'll put on reasonable drought to even clean up. Stove gets me in that mode to clean up the kitchen.

Okay. I kind of see that. I see where you're going with that. Which, by the way, I feel like I could tell us. I don't think Stove really care. So I was talking to Stove God yesterday. And I told you guys I wanted to get him on the project. So we've been sending ideas back and forth and pick one that we both like.

And he hit me and was like, yo, I have that verse for you by. like tomorrow morning with the session. So I screenshot it. I'm all excited. Hit Azad like, yeah, we got our stove god feature. It's happening tonight.

I wake up this morning. First tweet I see from West Side Gunn is free stove god. I was like, oh, fuck. Did he get arrested on the way to go to my fucking first? Because now I feel like part to blame. And I hope to God that that's just like some promo shit or he's talking about like some label shit. That's what I was thinking too.

Yeah. So I hit D'amarist thinking like, okay, she's from Syracuse. Syracuse is only but what, three square miles. she could hit her group chat or the like the Q's net serve email shit and find out what happened. My God, you're old. Yeah, somebody could call a precinct and find out if you did.

Yeah, I agree with you. I'm not going to return text messages to people. I haven't text back in years and say, oh, by the way, you know of Stolen Joe. But can you like, you couldn't like text your mom and your sister just to like walk by the precinct or something? Like on their way to work? He's probably not in Syracuse. He's probably if he is locked up, which I really hope he's not. It's probably somewhere outside of Syracuse.

Like maybe where he lives, I don't know, but I don't think it's in the town. I don't think he locked up in the town. It might be a label thing. I don't think. Yeah. But what, I mean, you think Rock has him in some crazy deal? No, I don't know. Rock's a really good guy.

Yeah, I don't know. But I don't think he was. He was, I'm sure he just posted, actually. But that doesn't mean nothing. I mean somebody else got access to his girl, someone could have access to his account. That's fair. Yeah. That would be a scary thing of like.

not being fearful of the law when you're doing illegal shit that like your girl could just have your phone when you're in the tombs is kind of like a scary thought to me no because they need like they need the password to like you know get your affairs in order and then they'll see your affairs but that's why you don't have no affairs of course duh this is hypothetical i don't go to jail either but sometimes there's things in your phone that your significant other doesn't need to see even if they are innocent because sometimes you can have a conversation with someone and if you aren't a part of the conversation or you don't have that relationship with the person, you won't know their tone, like the tone of the combo that I'm doing. Yeah. What's the tone? No, because I've had

I was having a conversation with a home girl of mine yesterday where she was like, you know, my man listened to a conversation of me and my friend, but he took it as something different because of the way that we speak to each other. So he thought we were serious, but we were just playing. Like the way that girls speak to each other sometimes, it's the same thing as locker room talk, right? the less toxic version of it. Some of the things that y'all say to each other, y'all wouldn't say around a woman, even if you know you don't mean any harm by it. Girls are also the same way.

We say shit. I would never want my significant other to hear me say to my friends, but it's just to my friends. Like, it's not. But if he heard it, he would take it offensively. So I think that that just happened. Well, if you said like, raw, next question. Yeah, exactly. I don't think your man would much you're saying that.

No matter what the tone, how loud you say. Exactly. What was the temperament? I don't, like, there's nothing. I said it like raw. Next question? Yeah, yeah. I don't care how you said it.

So I was talking about sushi. No, you weren't. No, you was not. Yeah, I would never feed him shrimp tempore like, you know. Yeah, I bet. Spicy, spicy, uh, Tunei all day. There's text messages between Demaris and I that I've deleted just, they weren't bad. But again, if somebody else read them out of context, it would look a little nuts.

Like, you don't get the inside joke here. Yeah. So, yeah, you got to, maybe just don't get arrested. Well, start there. That's a great thing. Yes. But hopefully stove is I and he's not, you know.

Free Stovito. Yeah, he's not locked up, man. Don't need stove locked up. And this is how I know Demaris is really from Syracuse because when I sent her a screenshot of that, she referred to him by his government name. As if I knew Stove God's government name. Yeah, no.

I still don't know his government. I thought it was stove. No, because like free, you know, that's cute shit. Like, free to gang. Like, that's cute shit. You can't, nah. But what if, all right, but what if, because people were yelling free somebody,

but then he was like, what happened? What did? And they started telling him what he did? I'm like, no, I don't know. Like,

I don't know. You know what I'm saying? We could just yell free that guy. Like, I mean, have you seen his rap sheet? I mean, of course everything they said about young thug

was made up and a lie, clearly because he's innocent. Clearly he's on, yes. But when I did read the paperwork when he was first arrested and there was the entire RICO trial, I was looking at like, get these menaces off the street.

This is insane. Like, what are, It sounded like a movie when you read that shit. Taxpaying citizens of Atlanta have to go through this? My God. Yeah, man. It's crazy.

It's awful. No, Rocha, I've definitely felt that way before, you know. I've also, but I mean, you know, people want their family members and stuff free. I've said free to some murderers, some guilty ones too. Same. You said for sure guilty. They're family. Like, like, you know.

Like when he left the scene, he told me. And I was like, damn, free the guy. It's, it was either going to be you with him. And my dogs are alive. If so. Have you ever had friends that like not any major crimes, but like we'll go to jail for a few months and you wouldn't want to say free them because they probably like needed that time? Yes. Go sit down and get your life together.

Don't for you. Keep you in there for a while. You need to learn. This is, this is enough. Enough is enough. They finally caught up to you. Go sit down for a minute. Get your life together.

Yeah, you need this time to sit down. Well, me and Roy were in the streets this weekend. I guess it was the streets. We got dinner and then went to my garage. That's the streets now. Listen, I don't know. The whole going out to, I was club, like, shopping for club clothes last night. And, like, it gave me anxiety because I don't know how to dress for a club anymore.

Yeah. Like, the girls are wearing furry boots in the club. I don't know. I haven't been to a club in years. A lounge, whatever. Like, you know, a party, a day party, whatever. But an actual, like, club, like, you leave the house at 12 p.m. Like, I don't know how to shop for that shit anymore.

Our idea of being in the streets is going to a restaurant, sitting at the bar, having a cocktail. And the girls like, now you got to dress half naked. They have these things called micro shorts now, like that girls are wearing to the club. It's a whole different world out there. I really feel like old. Like, I feel like I'm going to be the old bitch in the club. Both dresses I bought for the club are like floor length. Oh, you're going to prom.

That was I said, a ball guy? You're going to a masquerade. Yeah, like, where are you going? I mean, my, like, a gala? She's going to. What's the theme? Yeah, you're going to, what's that shit they do in DC every year? the uh damn what is that they do with all the people is it nah it's damn i forgot the name of the

shit oh during howard homecoming is it there's one like really formal party during howard homecoming that i forgot i forgot the name of it but that's what that's what de maris is going i'm gonna be dressed like i'm going to the players ball like for sure i'm definitely gonna be the most dressed person in the club but like i really don't i don't want to look like the old bitch trying to look young that's like my worst fear like that i can't i'd rather just look like the old bitch that's the old bitch like i'm cool with that so i mean It's a one dress has a little, it's a slit, like a little thigh is showing. And then the other one, you know, has like a little boostie.

So that's all I'm giving. Wait, so you have club plans. This is like premeditated. Is this a birthday thing for next week? Yes. Okay. Is your birthday next week? Yes.

Oh, shit. You don't have to docks like what club or city, but is this a club you've been to before? No. I'm going to Houston. I've never been to Houston before. Oh, shit. Let's go ahead. It's a birthday.

We got to go. Let's go ahead and say goodbye to baby D now. ain't going to make it back. You still for the birthday? Oh my God. If you wasn't gay before, you're going to be super gay now. That's the thing I'm most excited about is everybody keeps telling me, yo, the women, the women and the food.

I'm like, I'm on a diet. Huh? You never been to Houston? I've never been to Houston, no. What? Oh, you can't be on a diet and go to Houston. How you've never been to Houston? No way.

Like, you have to eat chicken Alfredo in the strip club. There's no getting around it. Like, you have to. And then I'm leaving. Well, you know, as you guys know, we record Monday. So I'm leaving Sunday and every. and everybody I called, like, I was on the phone and was like, you can't leave Houston on a Sunday.

I'm like, I have a job. Like, I'm a big girl. I have like a full-blown fucking job to go to her Monday. No, you can't leave Houston on Sunday. Sunday's the night in Houston. Yeah. You can't. I'm doing something Friday and Saturday.

Thinking I'm going to do something Friday, Saturday, and Sunday is a little. You have to. That's a little insane. You have to. The like stereotype of Vegas where there's like no clocks and that's really happens in Houston. Yeah. Like, you're going to find energy you never thought that you had. You have to go to Sunday, Sunday in Houston.

I can't because we have to work. No, no, no, listen. I'm the boss. Take off Monday. Don't worry about it. Take off Monday. Have fun in Houston on Sunday, Sunday. I can't, I will feel like a piece of shit if you left Houston on a Sunday because you had to go to work.

Listen, take off. It's okay. Come back, come back Tuesday. Come back with some stories. Yeah, come back with some. Have Sunday, Sunday, Houston. Do your thing. Have a ball.

Nobody ever leaves Houston on a Sunday. Nobody. The Lakers stay in Houston on a Sunday. If they got a game Monday in L.A. They don't give a fuck. Sunday? No, you don't leave Houston on Sunday. We were in Houston the one of 30 times that we did Pallusa there. I think we did more Pallusas in Houston than we did in New York.

One time we were all there and, like, there was a huge snowstorm in New York. So like all the flights got canceled, whatever. Whole Palluzer crew tries to find flights to D.C. and then take Amtrak and all that. I was like, I think I'm just going to wait it out here. Spent like a whole other week in Houston. Sunday. Why are y'all trying to, they went to Minneapolis to fucking connect to a flight to D.C. I'm like, then they got an Amtrak from D.C. to New York.

I beat them home. With a direct flight. Yeah. And I got three, four more days in Houston. Yeah. And nobody ever, nobody has never complained about three extra days in Houston. Hell no. Nobody.

Well, I'm going to do it for the plot, do it for the pod. I'm trying to come back with some stories. Y'all know that deep down inside I am really fucking boring. So I am. I invited my best friend. She's coming with me. and we're going to do our damnedest. But you got friends in Houston, though?

Yes, I do have friends at Houston, but they will not be there when I go. Oh, okay. So you're just you and your home girl? Me and my home girl. Well, no, my brothers are throwing burgers and bottles in Houston. Okay. On that weekend.

So you got community out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. All right. And you'll notice that half of Houston is from Brooklyn. Like, you're going to run into somebody, you know, for sure. Yeah, Brooklyn is everywhere. Brooklyn is in Tallulmer.

I don't know. I'm looking for the Houston men. who daddy or granddaddy own a ranch. So, if y'all looking for me, just DM me. That's what I want. All right, come back Sunday. I want a cowboy. I want a cowboy, okay? Like, I want the real

cowboy Carter experience. Like, I'm tired of these Brooklyn niggas. All they got is BMWs in debt. You can't say you want the cowboy card experience and she's married to a Brooklyn nigga. Damn. How are you going to say that? That don't even go together. Damn. See? That fast. You fucked up.

What's the Jesse Shop? Well, it would be to reverse. You like the boys up top from the BK? Yeah, they was off mucin. Nah. Nah. But nah, don't hustle backwards. You need to find the guy that dad owns like one of those mega churches.

Because that doesn't even pay taxes. Find the old steen. Find the old steen. It's crazy. Go out there and find you an old steen. If you know like I know, find you an old steen. If not find me one, like find me one of his nieces. He'll take the PJ back to the pod.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Okay. That's funny. Well, don't do that because you went out all the way to Coney Island this weekend. I did. I did. Don't have like your own. What the hell was you doing it, Colby?

You went on to some frog legs from Nathan's? Let's all relax. I was not making moves. Sheney Curry, shout out to Sheney is relaunching her. Don't Call Me Baby Brand as a women's sports lifestyle brand. I went to her launch. And then we went to a soccer game, a women's soccer game, Brooklyn Football Club, which was at the,

Baseball stadium that's in Coney Island. She told me that. I was like, where's there a soccer field in Coney Island? Apparently it's a football baseball stadium. Yeah, I know the baseball stadium. In Coney Island, yeah, they played soccer there. That was their first home game there. So we went to celebrate them.

But it was kind of like rainy and stuff. So I left. And when I was on my way back to Jersey, I hit Rory and was like, yo, it was popping. He was like, yo, we lit. And then we went and got a drink. Did nothing. I don't ever want to get a phone call like that. Yo, it was popping.

Yo, we lit. I'm hanging up. I'm going home. That fast. Look, all right. And you know what's annoying, too? Like, Damaris has my location,

so I can't ever lie to her. Like, nah. Because she's in Midtown. She's like, I see you're like three blocks from me. I was like, fuck. Oh, please. I know, I'm joking.

You don't want to go outside? Like, are you right up the block from me? Yeah, like, I literally see where you are. But I have yours for, like, your safety. He had mine at one point by I turn. You have hit for his safety? If I'm jammed up. Yeah, let me hear this, Damaris.

He's jammed up in that band, handcuffed with fucking zip ties. I'm coming. I'm coming through sliding about mine. I got you. But you, like, you had mine for my safety, but then as my boss, you just can't have my location. I'm sorry. Like, we got to draw a line between friend and boss. As my boss, you can't have my location because I would be trying to lie to worry about how long it was going to take me to get to work. No. I think you're actually giving me too much credit if you think I'm staring at your location. You know how many people's location. I'll take your word for it in the text message of, all right, take you 30 minutes. Cool. I'm not going to track you on the way there. I have people's locations and I don't even, I don't even remember ever, like agreeing to share locations with them. Do they have yours? No, nobody has my location. Didn't me? Nobody.

Nobody. I think Demaris is the only one. That you share locations with? Yeah. I just don't see the point in that. I mean, I get it for women. It does make sense to, like, know where your friends are. For, like, safety.

Yeah. I mean, your location will be at your crib. Like, what are you hiding? Pretty much. He's hiding where he lives. He's hiding where he lives. Well, that's a fact. We know that.

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Well, Playboy Cardi dropped the album. They're saying that he did 139 million first day streams. That's ridiculous. Biggest debut of 2025, 7th of all time. Listen, man, we got to have a talk about this stream and shit. Because I get it. I know it's a new era. It's the way we listen to music.

It's just the sign of the times that were in. But when you say 139 million first day stream, what does that mean? I don't know. You have 30 songs on an album, right? So you have 30 songs. 30 tracks on your project. 139 million first day streams. How do they count that?

How do they equate that? How do they tally that? Does that mean 139 million people listen to the album? No. Does that mean 150 million people played it twice? Does that mean like what does that? I think it just means that out of all the songs on there, somebody pressed play on one of those songs once.

So for every time anybody pressed play on one of those songs. So if I listen to the album twice, over, then I gave him 60 streams. And was that how they count that? Yeah, for the most part. And what's perfect that he did, it's 30 records, only an hour and 15 minutes, which gives you mad replay value if you're a fan. Each song, I mean, there's a few here that are at three minutes, but most of these songs

are like a minute 47, minute 48, 230, 153, like, they're all very short. So fans would run it back. And I can see him getting 139 million. based off his core fan base and how they structure this project. This is made for streaming. So we had a conversation last week, we were we about stars, superstars. Yep.

With somebody doing $130,000 million first day streams, is that a star or a superstar? That's a star. I'm still standing. Everyone was in my mention. He's like, damn, he's going to walk his take back. No, I'm not, because I don't think Playboy Cardi and Usher belong in the same sentence.

Hold on. It's the seventh biggest stream. Beyonce could stream less than Playboy Cardi. She's still a superstar and he's still a star. That is, how are you saying? saying that. Because I don't think superstardom is solely based off streaming numbers. I think

time has a lot to do with it. I think catalog. I think tours. Like, you have to be proven as... Okay. Do you think that Playboy Cardi will sell out a tour if he announces it tonight? 100%. I'm not, of course he would... All right, so, all right, so we know he'll sell out stadiums? Is he selling out stadiums?

A lot of people are not selling out stadiums. A lot of people are not superstars. Yeah, but there's still superstars that are not selling out stadiums for an entire tour. I agree, but some point in their career, they probably did. I think Playboy Cardi could sell out some stadiums. I think he could sell out a stadium here in New York. By himself?

Absolutely. I think he could sell out a stadium in L.A. If he does, then I'm happy to be wrong. I just don't, that's a different monster. Like, I think he could do a bunch of nights in the garden. A hundred and thirty-nine first-day streams, there's a different monster. So this is what I'm trying to, this is what I'm asking you. I don't get it.

I don't understand it. But I did have a conversation with somebody over the weekend because I was trying to figure out the Playboy Cardi thing. I'm like, listen, I don't want to sound like the old guy. You know what I'm saying? I understand the superstar that Playboy Cardi is. I understand the cult following that he has. But I can't make the connection to the music.

Like, what is it? Am I listening with illmatic ears? Like, am I listening? Like, what ears do I need to receive Playboy Cardi's music? And he said, it's very simple. Playboy Cardi is a DJ. He's making songs to perform. He's making songs for people

to have fun to at his shows. Don't listen to him like you're trying to get this real deep introspective music song thing. Listen to it as a DJ putting a set together. And once he said that, I said, okay, that makes sense. Start to listen. And I'm like, okay, I hear the energy. I hear the, I see where the crowd will get it,

you know, the audience will get into it at a live show. So it makes sense in listening to it that way as Playboy Cardi being a DJ that is creating a set list for his show. His albums are created with his shows in mind. That's the way he creates his music. That's the way he creates his albums. He creates everything thinking live show, live performance, with my crowd and my audience in front of me. And I think with the younger kids, too, like, I remember listening to Marshall Mathers-L-P when I was 10, 11, and part of the allure of it was I wasn't supposed to be listening to this.

Like, this is crazy. And I don't know this to be a fact. but I'm just speculating. I think some of the younger kids, too, when he has the whole demonic vibe of everything, it scares parents. And I think that drives kids to want to listen to shit more. So I think Playboy Cardi also has that in his marketing

that, yeah, it may be risky to listen to him when you're a young kid in the fucking suburbs that doesn't know demonic shit. Like how life changes. It was risky for me to listen to Snoop growing up. Yeah, but did that not play somewhat of a part of it? Like listening to doggy style? Like this?

Um, yeah. I mean, the fact that- It had shock value. Yeah, the fact that it, because that's when the parental advisory stickers became a thing on CDs. And once you saw that, you knew, you know, I got to listen to this. Yeah. Because I'm not supposed to be listening to this.

So I understand that aspect of it. But with Cardi, again, I just was having a hard time because I'm like, I can't really get into the music. I didn't understand, you know, the sounds and, you know, just the energy around it. I just was like, I, do I listen to this while I'm working? out? Do I listen to this while I'm being chased? Do I listen to this? Like, do I just play GTA and have this in the back? What are you running from? I don't know. I just, you know what I? You're doing? Because that's how I listen to music where I try to compartmentalize where we go. When and where do I listen to this? When and where do I receive this music? And with Playboy

Carding, obviously it's, you know, that sound is very, it's mosh pity. It's like, you know, let's fuck shit up. It's very destructive. It has that energy of, you know, just wanting to fuck shit up. But now I do understand it though. And listening to it, I understand how his audience and his crowd will be at a live show and how that will go off on stage. On Friday, I saw some of, like, I went to a cap of thing. So I saw some younger fried brothers that I had not met yet.

They were like, you know, between 20 and 22 years old, go to Princeton and Seton Hall. So very prestigious universe. We're talking about very well-educated human beings. They were talking about Cardi like Jesus Christ himself. had just came back. Like, just their facial expression of that album dropping that day was changed their lives.

They're also the type, they were telling me they were buying, like, leaked soundcloud links for $75 to $100 per song. Like, in the Cardi communities, they were selling these private. I'm like, you paid $75 for an unreleased song? Like, yeah.

They look at it, they were breaking his lyrics down. I didn't know. understand it. And maybe I shouldn't even try to. I'm not even, hey, if that, if that's what they love, I'm glad they're inspired by some type of music. I, for the life of me, trying not to be the get off my long guy, tried so hard to get into this. I was almost trying to trick myself. Like, yeah, I think I kind of like this one. Nah. I'm lying. I'm lying to myself. So what all that being said, it was his fans buying $75 unreleased SoundCloud songs. You still think that are now on, he said he bought the pop out record. He's like, yeah, I mean, I'd heard pop out because I bought it for

$75 a few months ago. So with all that being said, you still think he's just a star? Yeah. That is superstar that is happening. I think he could eventually get to be a superstar. No, he's there. No, no, he's there. You're not there yet.

I'm definitely not there. No, he's there. He's arrived at superstar. I'm okay with being wrong here. I think similar, like when we have these A-list arguments, superstar, mega-star shit, why we always go head-to-head is because I think I value the A-list term and the superstar term a little bit more than you guys do. I think that's reserved for a very small few.

Oh, absolutely. And I believe that Playboy Cardi is in that small few. We're on to say, he's a lot of superstar. I don't get it either. I don't, it's not for us. But we can recognize when someone is like, bro, he has a cult. In order to have a cult following, you have to be a superstar. Like, you cannot not be a superstar and not have a cult following.

That doesn't even make sense. only people that have cult followings are the superstars when your audience comes to the show dressed like you when they look like you when they want to mirror you like that you're a superstar at that means insane clown posse is the biggest superstars I was about to say that means y'all are superstars who comes to the show looking like what are you guys they're dressed like mall at the show they definitely dress like mall at the show

everybody's logos is upside down on the front row and I mean what that's just you know and on top of that one that's just I don't know that's your kids yeah that's my sure don't know if y'all at New Rory and Mall shows, if you check the feats, everybody has our new balance. And like they wear their coolest new balance

for the show every single time. I don't take credit for that. I think New Balance has just done a great job of marketing and like lifestyle. No, definitely for sure. But even, no, we're the Cardi of New Balance.

For sure. Okay. I'll take that. Don't agree with that. No, no, I take that. I was going to let you run. It's like that. That makes sense.

We are the Playboy Cardi for New Balance. balance. New balance, call me. Let's get something going ahead. Yeah, I like that. Absolutely. But yeah, I was asking them questions too, because on the song, I think it was Mojo, Jojo. I was like, I was like, I was like, I like this Yadi feature. Because, you know, Yaddy is hit or miss for me sometimes. It's rarely a gray area. I either really like what he's doing or I don't like it. Right. I was like, oh, this is a cool Yadi feature on this beat. And then the song ended. And I was like, oh, that was Playboy Cardi. That wasn't Yadi.

I had to ask them, does Yadi bite from Cardi or is Cardi bite from Yadi? They claim, and these yell at the kids from Princeton. This is not coming from Rory. Every single artist bit everything they've ever done off Playboy Cardi. Everything. The only thing for me with Cardi now is I do, I do feel like, along with Kanye, he is one of the artist that is definitely embracing the whole AI shit. Oh, there's definitely AI joints on here for sure.

I still believe that the song with him in the weekend, that's not him performing that verse. And we know that he does things like, you know, it's the whole mysterious thing. He's his whole, you know, am I going to be at the live show? Am I not? You know what I'm saying? Am I going to put out the album and why not? Like, he plays to that. So is this really me on this song or is it AI?

But see, with him, I don't really care. It's not because his music isn't for me. It's just what his vocal, what he contributes to it. a song vocally like I don't care if that's a computer like if you're making noises cool let the computer make it like if Kanye's different because Kanye wraps for real it's his voice sing like if Playwood Cardi wants to use AI to just go like I don't cool I don't think that's you know putting music back if we're using AI to do that type of shit can you do that sound again yeah okay was a good impression you sound like you have a hiccup whole album sound like that oh see

They're going to harass you. No, there is some really good production on this. I do need to go through the credits because that was another thing that I was asking the young boys of like, I could really, really, really respect Cardi. If he was producing this stuff, then I understand why you guys think he's a God. But is it a bunch of different producers?

Like, I didn't even see album credits. That's where I was like, oh, maybe I have this fucked up and Cardi is really making all this shit. And then I really, I have to give him his props at that point. Yeah, some of the production would definitely... Yeah, some of the production on album, I really like, I thought, I was like, damn, like I would like to hear other artists on this shit. Like, the music was definitely good on a lot of those records.

Well, most of the records, not a lot. It's funny. I was talking with Benner over the weekend about this Cardi shit. And I don't know this to be a fact because we don't, you know, we don't paperwork watch or know what his deals are. We need to put a little bit more respect on Asap Rocky's name outside of the flowers that we already given. if he has 50% of Cardi's career, him and Rihanna may be able to like go toe to toe to with Jaze and Beyonce as far as who doesn't need to care about money

for the rest of their lives. If Aesab Rocky has 50% of this guy's career, I'm sorry Aesab Rocky, you are not Rihanna's boyfriend. You could pay the check. First of all, he already could pay the check. Of course. It's just fucking headline rolling loud. I know.

I'm joking with me. Wait, what was the second point? part of that? They can go toe to toe with J&B on what? On who doesn't need to care about money for the rest of their lives? Like never, I don't even need to look at my bank account ever again because I can buy anything I want at any time. We could fly private for the next

365 days. I don't even need to look at my debit card. Yeah, I think they just print and B is still on a different level. Of course, but Rihanna certified billionaire. Rocky without Cardi would still be very rich. But if he has Playboy Cardi shit too?

No, I mean, this is a great The ASAP mob brand definitely still generates money. Like, I don't think people put Rocky's business acumen out there the way maybe we should. That's all. Okay. I wasn't hip to it. Like, and whoever his booking agent is like, oh no, we talked about that two years ago. We still can't figure it out.

We need to get him into Congress. Doing a hell of a job. He just beat trial with two weeks ago and saw him headlining rolling out last night. I said, yeah, his booking agent is amazing. Does he have a new album coming out? Yeah. Does he need one? With a 139 million streams in the first day.

I would never put out music again if my artist was doing that. I mean, he did announce the day he was acquitted, right? Rocky put out a title and date, if I remember. Yeah, don't be dumb. Don't be dumb. I mean, listen, did you guys watch any of the Rolling Loud stuff? I saw clips of Cardi's Man doing fucking demonic sacrifices and shit, but it looked fun. I saw ASAP with

he came in a helicopter Yeah The Rocky came in a helicopter Yeah that's because his artist just sold 100 Yeah no I get it I get it

Yeah DVD Spotify pay for it Yeah as they should That's crazy That's fire though That's fire That's fire That's really really dope

And you Like You have to give some of the younger artist credit in this live space Because so much stuff has already been done Like you have to get really fucking creative When it comes to shows now

Because what has been done. This is fire. And you got to try to go viral. That too. Without being cringe. Is Rocky a superstar? No. Okay. That's some superstar shit he doing right there. Oh, 100%. Yeah. I'm not saying he's not a superstar right there. That's some superstar shit he's doing right there. You know what's funny when I was watching this clip as well and to go back to the Kendrick's Super Bowl performance and even like the weekend Super Bowl performance. If you see what we watched on TV versus like the clips from the stadium. Yeah.

Kendrick is performing to that camera. Whereas before all this crispy-ass fucking streaming, they were performing to the stadium. Yeah. Like I was watching Kendrick just go through everything as if there was no one even there. He's looking at us, not at the people there. This rocky shit looks incredible.

If I was at the show, I'd be like, I don't even see it. Yeah. Like this is ill for us. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely for the... The people that actually go to these things, which you went to live performances because it was... You got live music.

What you couldn't get in your house. Now the shit you get in your house is better than the live performance that you would get at the fucking arena. Yeah. Because what are you staring up at if you're at this show? First of all, you can't hear shit because helicopter is loud as fuck. So, yeah. Yeah, this is definitely for the home viewership. Yeah.

This is not for the live audience, no. Which, I mean, I think, is the... The thing now, even with, again, with a halftime performance, that was fully dedicated to the TV. Yeah. That was not for anybody in there. No, no, no, definitely was for the old. Even Beyonce's Christmas one, if you watched all the footage from, like, the front row, yeah, B was looking at the camera. Like, this is a camera thing.

Yeah. Every set that we're doing where she's walking, I'm not even looking up at y'all. Yeah. Don't even make noise. It's a television performance. Don't even make noise. I'm looking at the steady cam in front of me. Yeah.

Which, I mean, I guess is still a good thing because it, I think. For home viewers, it makes it 10 times better. You can get more creative. They can look better. But I don't know. Ciz is a superstar. Big superstar. What was the stat this weekend?

Officially the longest running top 10 album by Black artists in Billboard 200 history. Didn't she pass Michael? I think so. Yeah. Superstar. We got to stop saying that. See, but this be my problem. But this be my problem.

We got to stop saying certain things because that is a fact, though, no? If she passed Michael, she passed. she passed Michael Yeah but Same reason you're telling me I have to call him a superstar because he sold 130 well not sold but streamed

139 million It's completely different because 139 million on the first day of anything Incredible I don't give a fuck Would it is? I agree with the Michael You can eat 139 million fries on my day And I'm like he's a fuck

He's a legend Superstar Superstar Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Yeah McDonald's I mean the only thing The only thing I with the stream

and shit when he starts him out breaking Michael Jackson's numbers and records is which is SOS it's a deluxe out it's like how many tracks is on a deluxe now it's just it's other things

that are mixed into the SOS album whereas Thriller or whatever Michael Jackson album is just however many songs was there that's still there today. If it's 10 songs on Thriller versus 42 on SOS

It's just, you know, and then you're talking about my stream. I get it. It looks great. And SOS, we talk about all the time, love that album, incredible album. But I just think when you start comparing it or saying, you know, these artists are breaking Michael Jackson's numbers and record, you have to put other things in the description as well. Because if we had Michael Jackson in this era of streaming, to me, I still think if you have 100 million people that go out and physically buy your eyes. album. I think that's better than any streaming. I don't give a fuck. Who's streaming what? If 100 million people went out and physically bought your vinyl, that's crazy.

There's nothing you can tell me about the streaming era about your old longest. I don't want to hear that. A hundred million people went out and bought that man's physical album. Yeah. I mean, they're hard to compare because there's positive and negative shit on both sides, people that didn't have to be in the streaming era and the people that did. So I don't think they should be compared, especially because the streams can keep you on the replay value. If I buy a $10 CD, no one is tracking how much I'm listening to that in my car. Exactly. So it is a little weird, but there's a lot of streaming rules that fuck over the artists where people from Michael's era didn't have to go through certain shit. And they went through vinals. Then when vinyl stopped,

everyone bought the thriller tape. And when CDs came out, everyone bought Thriller CDs. So people were repurchasing nonstop, which can't happen for the streamers now. So it's giving take on both. I think it's unfair to even try to compare them or say one was easier than the other. I will say to your point, though, people going out and buying your CD is a way different commitment than opening your phone. So that is nuts that Michael Jackson could have that many people leave their house and go to the what do we talk about? It's not even the same. So of the music that you've streamed, right, let's say in the past year, of the music that you've streamed in the past year, of the music that you've streamed in the past year, which of those albums would you have gotten in your car driven to go by?

In the last year? In the last year. Last year. Let me pull up my... Sorry. I would definitely want to buy Freddy's album. Just because his track record, his catalog, you know that Freddy's going to put out a dope project. I would say pretty much everything I put on my top 10 personal favorites of 2024, if we're just doing the year.

Yeah. Really? All 10 on rap and all 10 on R&B, I would have went out to the store to buy. But I did that like a lot. There's albums that you end up not even really liking because, again, you can preview it at the store, I guess. But you're really going off the singles. There's plenty of albums I went out to buy and then I listened to it and I was like,

I'm kind of cool on this. But I still did go out and purchase it. Yeah. Yeah, that was a dope thing about having the Virgin store in Midtown. You can just listen. You can listen to the album and then decide if you want to actually buy the album. So, yeah. I had to go and look because, like, I do listen to, I give a lot of music a chance.

But when I'm looking, like, back at the last year, there's not a lot of people I would have went and got out of my, like, car to go and walk in the store and buy their albums. Maybe I definitely would have did, like, Lotto. I would have did Megan's Deluxe, Keanu Ladee. That probably would have been. I would have did some sexy songs for you. Like, that would probably would have been. it. Oh, no, definitely. I mean, but I'll just my lat, 224. Well, just within the past years.

Oh, well, yeah, that album, definitely. Well, like, all right, I have, I retracts a little bit. I have future Metro at number nine from last year for my personal favorite rap albums. I would probably wait for my man's to buy it and burn it. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, some of these, yeah, I would put in the effort to go get the CD, but it may just be burning it from my friend. Yeah. But, like, gives album going out. Doji, Vince, Tyler, those myself because I also want the artwork. I want the physical thing. Future in Metro shit, I'd probably just

get a Sharpie. Burn it. Right Metro on the top. Right Metro on the top. And y'all would have never listened to Playboy Cardi's album if it would have required you spending your money. No, God, never. I wouldn't even play that at the Virgin Megastore. I wouldn't listen to that. But I'm just, I'm being honest. That's just not for me. You're not the demographic. It's fine for that. But I

understand it now. and approaching it like a DJ just putting together a set list for his show. I get it now. Makes all the sense in the world. But even like kind of back to what Mall was saying as far as like where we consume the music, where we want to hear it,

like I would have went out and got Thames born in the wilds because I love Thames but I don't know if I would have rushed like that day to go get that unless like, oh, I know I'm going on vacation. I need to go get the Thames album. Like shit that you would carry with you in certain spots can get you

to rush to get an album. I'm a CD player. on the plane. You hit some turbulence, CD skipping. It's all bad. Remember when you had to hold the headphone cord across the shit? Yep. Just to get it to like not fucking fuck up in your ears. Those were days, man.

You had to earn your ears. Yeah, that makes the music more personal. It makes it, it means more to you at that point. Yeah, like, I don't even know, let's say at a Hove's catalog, volume three has like such a special place. It's pretty low in his discography, even for me. but it has such a special place in my heart because one of the first CDs I got, I ran into the ground on the bus.

Songs that I go back to now on Volume 3, I was like, I was obsessed with the song. It's really not that good. It's just because you only had so many options and like you committed. This is the CD my mom got me. Yeah. Like, I'm going to have to wait a while to get another CD. I have to learn.

This is it. I'm going to listen to the Swiss and Mariah awful record. Yeah. That's on Volume 3 and sing along. and love it. And then I got older and I was like, now I see why everyone hates this album. Yeah.

And you can't even like, you know, back in the day, like you couldn't switch out seat. Like, you didn't just have the CD cases in your fucking backpack. They'll break. So whatever CDU took with you for the day, like that's what CD you took for the day. I remember I took my dad's hustle and flow soundtrack out the car and took it to scoop.

First of all, that album was fucking amazing. The hustle and flow sound truck. It's all like 3-6 mafia shit, right? Yeah, that shit was fucking. I don't know the soundtrack off the top of my head. Yeah, y'all about. That shit was fire.

I took that and I took his shine CD. I don't remember the name of it, but it was green. Godfather Berry Live. Yeah. I get so much flat. To me, that album is incredible. Everyone laughs at me. But again, I think it's a nostalgia thing.

He recorded the shit over the phone. But I love it. I think it's great. But people that are older than me, that weren't kids when it came out. Like, dolly, that album sucks. It's really a nostalgia thing. Like, I committed to that album.

Yeah. To hear him rap over the phone. The fact that y'all was in high school for hustling, is crazy to me. Was I in high school? I might have been in middle school. Oh my God. 2005, yeah, it was a...

Oh, I was, yeah. 2005, I was, yeah, I was actually, yeah, I was leaving elementary school going into middle school. Oh, my God. I was a kid. Damn, man. There's some shit on here. Yeah, hell, yeah. I said, they only won with Grammys and Oscars for that shit.

Yeah. Yeah. But no, it's like other records that aren't just the stuff that, like, Terence Howard was rapping that three six wrote. There's, yeah, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, join some here. Whop that trick, go. The beat to whoop that trick is crazy.

I don't care. What y'all time about? Fuck the movie. The beat to whoop that trick is crazy. No, everything that scrawny white kid made was incredible. Anytime he touched his MPC in that movie, it was fucking crack. See, it's all you need is a little bit of pressure on you. And try to impress a whore.

That's it. A little bit of pressure and fall in love with a whore. That's how the best music it made is trying to impress whores. Duh. More women in the studio. Absolutely. I'm always an advocate for. for that. Like, look at just the man brain. Because that kid, of course, it's a movie,

I realize, but that character was such an incredible producer. And he was legitimately sprung over a woman he would watch, go outside and fuck someone in their car and then come back into the studio. And he'd be like, yo, you want to go on a date? Yeah. Mental illness. Like, he was a special. Do you know how talented? You don't need to do this. He was special. His brain was a little different. That's all. But I think, I don't know, down there, I feel like down there and that real poor, poor South, like, that shit is nothing. She's doing what she got to do.

She put food on the table. She's a hard worker. No, we get what she was doing. We don't understand how the gentleman was in love with her. We know who she was doing. No, but that's back then. That was not, I don't want to say attracted to them, but I think he just saw her as a person.

Like, we're all living in poverty trying to do what we have to do to get out. So I can't even judge you for that. Like, we all, you know, we're not judging her, but I just think that Sillow just, peculiar if you watch a woman get into a Chrysler and do ungodly things with a stranger and then she comes back in the house and this is who you love like do you remember how they got the mic that they recorded on yeah you know what she had to do for that he hooked that mic up

knowing that story and connected it to his equipment they got they got the mic that movie is really good though I don't think great movie classic I don't think it's brought up enough when we have those type of genres conversations. Classical movie. Huston Flo is a classic. It's really, really good. How do we even get down that road? Streaming, Playboy Cardi. Yapping.

Yapping. Staying on music, Dreamville Festival continues their streak of having some of the best lineups I've ever seen in festival history. Shout to Eve and that whole team. Every year they smoke it and get

exactly the type of people I would want to see at a festival. Headlining is Lil Wayne with Hot Boys and Big Timers, 21 Savage, Party Next Door, Ludacris, R.A. Chief Keefe, Kishakou, Bosh, Yomni, Abso, Lou Oman, rest of the whole Dreamville crew. Sunday, J. Cole, Erica Badu, Thames, Glorilla, J.I.D., Wale, Coco Jones, Big X, the Plug, Earth Gang, and so on. I mean, they get it right every year.

Especially in the time where all festivals are starting to, like, fail and just disappear. they continue to do something in a market that isn't made for festivals. Yeah. Like a majority of people fly to that shit. But are they then not, is this the last year? It's the last year. Yeah. I want to go so fucking bad.

Who you want to see? Little Wayne. I've never seen Lil Wayne live. I know you guys say he sucks yada yada, but as a nostalgia thing, like I want to see Little Wayne. I really, really like 21 Savage. I loved his last album. like who I would fly for I would be flying for Cole Wayne 21 Savage like I would be flying for those people but I'm never mad at Waleigh Coco Jones like Chief Keefe like Keef like Keisha Cole like

yeah it's a fucking amazing like would you guys judge me if I said I would fly to go see ludicrous at a festival no but I've seen ludicrous has come to the New York State Fair and Syracuse a couple like yeah so I've seen him he for me I feel like he'd be one of those like when you see Fab perform it reminds you how many hits FAB has. Yes. It's like, damn, I forgot Fab has this much fucking music that is classic shit. That's how about what I thought of what I saw Luda. That set, I'm sure he's going to remind that whole fairgrounds like, damn, Luda has joints.

Yeah. I would, and, you know, I'm a great performer too. I don't think I have either. He's really, really good live. And it's exactly how you said. It's just like, I'll be like, damn, I forgot he did this. I forgot he did this, like over and over. And I mean, you know, the way he did his video, he's charismatic.

Like, without seeing him, I'm sure. he's a great performer like he's going to put on a show show type shit but since it's the last year i'm sure cole will bring out surprise guests like i think that will happen with this one surprise guess yeah who i don't really have anyone in particular but playboy card i mean if you could get him to raleigh north carolina that'd be that's the hardest part getting him in the building i don't think cole is bringing out any surprise i mean it's possible definitely possible i don't think he's bringing out any surprise guest the only surprise guest the only surprise I would have seen Cole bringing out.

It would have been 21-7. He's already on the lineup. Do you think we get the fall off on April 4th? No. Do you think we get it on Sunday, April 6th? No. We're not going to get into last year, I promise, but I think it would be a cool way to try to erase that of like,

all right, a year later, I'm putting out an incredible album on stage. I could see it. I could see it, but I'm not going to get my hopes up for it. for the album? No, my hopes are up for the album. I'm not going to get my hopes up for that release date. That release date is like three weeks from now, and I just, I'm not going to get my hopes up for it.

I'll get my barber in trouble. I don't get my fuck. We already know he's been talking about the fall off forever. I've been teasing records, putting snippets out. My barber's not here this week, which piss me off. Well, I'm going to try to get a haircut tonight, and then he leaves. And we don't talk about that type of stuff, but I can always put two and two together.

I have the same Barbara as Cole. He's like, I'm going to be in North Carolina the entire week. So you get your schedule, your cut now. But I feel like he would do that album or no album. He needs his haircuts. But I think he's probably shooting videos and shit. Like that's, I think something's coming. But how many haircuts he needs?

That's what I was. I was like the whole week. Willis, what the fuck? He got a shape of up. Shape of cold up? Yeah. Don't do it because I know what you mean by that. But like his beard and stuff like that.

You know, he's about. With his dreads, he still has that, yeah. Hair grows back really fast. All right, so let me. Don't pull up a picture of Jay Cole. Don't piss me off. Let me explain something to you, DeMaris. If Jay Cole gets a hair cut Monday, he doesn't need to see his barber again until next month.

But if they're shooting multiple videos, I don't know, crispy next day. No, it's brows. Brows. He's a hairy guy. All right, man. You got it. Y' got it. You got it.

No one Cole was a hairy guy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Listen, Cole got his barber every day. He needed to cut every day. Y' got it. It's all good. Oh man

It's funny Like before that whole thing If I would You know Run into him He goes to the shop Like it's not always Like Willis is always

Going to him It would be cool to run into him But after everything Dude I would like hit Willis Like he's not there today right I'm not running into him Nope Why?

Because at that point I didn't know how everyone felt This was like post When shit was weird Before we like we made up with everyone Yeah, I don't want to do that. It's just awkward.

Like, now, now I make the barbershop weird. I just, when y'all say that, I just don't understand, like, why is it weird if that's probably how 90% of your fans feel right now? How is that, if that, at that case, it's not weird. It's, like, the common thing. 90% of them are not face to face in a quiet Lower East Side Barbershop. Yeah. Yeah, but what does that mean?

Like, that doesn't mean it's weird. With the platform and previous relationships. That's a, that's a combo. All right, man, y'all, that's what we just differ at. Because I don't care if I have a relationship or not. Like, if I do some crazy shit and I have a relation to somebody, I expect them to say some shit like, yo, that was crazy. How does that make it weird now?

Because I see you in a barbershop. I'm going to tell you at the barbershop. Like, yo, that was some weird shit you did. That was some wild shit. At the barbershop is crazy. That's where you got to get it off at. If we can't get that off at the barbershop, then what are we doing in America? You're bringing lodging.

into a situation where someone has wild social anxiety and does not want to be in that situation when I walk in. Like I just saw you the week before this, that everything was cool. Now I don't even know how you feel. And I don't want to know. I don't even want to find out. Even if it's all loving, okay, I don't even want to know. Once you say social anxiety, I got to give you that because I don't have that.

So it's like, all right, I'll give you that. I'm just saying, you're ill. No, I'm just saying I don't have social anxiety. If I see somebody that did some weird shit and I said, yo, they did some weird shit, I think when I see him, I'm gonna be like, yo, why did you do that way? Even in Damaris's voice when we talked about the lineup, she's like, damn, I want to go. And she didn't finish her sentence, but I know why she said it the way she said it. Why?

Because we don't know if we're good. Cheam me. I'm good, nigga. I don't know about you niggins. I'm good. I roll to the motherfucking wheels fall off and we talk about niggas picking a motherfucker side. I picked my shit. No, no, don't do that.

You're not going to do that. Don't you talk about it. Don't do that. Don't do that. I pick my. I'm like, I stood on my shit. I don't do that. I don't give a fuck.

Good for her. Harder's hard to come by. Man. See? Nah, see. See? Look, see? See?

Look out of here. Now she said she stood on it. Fuck out of here. I stood on my dream. All right. Okay. Hell no. I lived and died by the motherfucker cross.

Okay. You bugging out. All right. Bugging. Okay. Hell no. Let's clear. Let's make that epically.

All right. I'm good. You niggas might not be good. No, you have to understand. I've had the same barber for 30 years. and then ironically he moved to North Carolina. It was one of the most heartbreaking times of my life. Willis, my barber now, it took some shopping around.

Good barbers are very hard to come by, even with my basic fucking haircut. I'm always going to choose that side. Listen, man. I'm not losing another fucking barber. Okay, so I mean, so why don't you go to Dreamville? I'll see if Willis will take me. Yeah, go to Dreamville. Have a good time.

We can go with Erica. We can sneak in with Erica. Erika. Badu, Miss Badu. Oh, okay. I didn't know. They wouldn't deny, like, the Badu anzaraj. Badu having an anzaraj, bro.

I'm with E. I'm with E. I'm with E.B. I'm with E.B. No, but all jokes aside, yeah, I do hope that the album comes out, but the hopes are not the highest. But why do you feel that way? I mean, even towards the end of the year, like, fuck the battle shit. he felt like he was gearing up to put that shit out.

I've been feeling like he's been gearing up to put that shit out for the past two years. My hopes have got high before. Lately. I don't know. I can really see this coming out the Dreamville Festival weekend. And maybe not even on a Friday that's traditional. I could see him being on stage on Sunday and being like, everyone refresh your phones. No single?

It's there. Nah, I don't think so. I can't see Cole doing it. Cole's not in the past few albums. Has he really been a single guy like that? Lucy guy a couple months or a year before. He doesn't need it. features. He's at that stage

in his career that's like, why even bother? It's like, here's the album all at once. I do want to hear the album, though. I want to hear what he's been working on. I'm sure a lot of it has changed over the last year. Yeah. But I do want to hear what he's working on, though. What was the joint that he was, I mean, I know there's a lot when he's on the bike, but he was on like the FDR.

It was like a snippet that was on IG and YouTube. It was right before Mike Delete later. He went fucking nuts on that. Like, that was the area. I remember what you're talking I know the battle moves shit, but at that point, I was like, oh, we may get this album next week. Like, that's how it felt. I remember that. Yep. And he was going.

I was like, if he's using these as just fucking IG promo and he's rapping this well, what the fuck is on the album? At that, at that point, I think I think I said it here. That was probably some of the best rapping I heard in a lot of years. I think you had said that, yeah. Yeah. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush did. didn't like black people.

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But speaking of festivals, we reported last time that Beyonce was struggling to sell tickets on her tour. No, no, no, no, no. We did not report anything. We reported that. You said that somebody said that Beyonce was struggling to sell tickets.

And I laughed and said, listen, guys, we don't have to sit here and just regurgitate shit. We read, Beyonce tickets will be just fine. Listen, man. Today we, today we're, there must have been a bump industry plan shit. Because now 94% of the tour is already sold out and they're adding new dates. Like, come on, man. Industry plans shit, man. What are we talking about?

She didn't even sell a ticket last week. That's why we can't just read with everybody posts online. Who thought that Beyonce was struggling to sell to me? Like who thought that? Who really thought, yo, you know what? Yo, her career might be over. Nobody jacking his cowboy carter shit. Who thought she sold out the color silver last year?

They said, yeah, you know, the fans, sometimes when you don't retire the fans or retire you. Who said that? Let me tell you something. When Beyonce is ready to retire, I'm going to be at her door. Julius and I'm going to have to come get me. You're not retiring, bro. But the moves on and get the work. Beyonce can only retire us.

We can't retire. Yeah. You can say it's over for us. People just got to stop just talking foolishness. No, but Beyonce has no trouble selling tickets to a show. But you know what happened? And this is why we need journalistic integrity back. And when I do say that, please don't come over here saying that we don't have

journalistic integrity because we're not journalists. We tell y'all that every day. We're here for entertainment. We're basically actors. Journalistic integrity. No, this is my real life. I ain't actually shit. Y'all see.

Fan pages will post something out of hate because the fan pages are all beefing with each other. some small news publication will pick that up and throw it allegedly in there and then a bigger news publication will copy what they see the other news public. It's like all the news publications are expecting that the other ones did their due ethical diligence and they didn't. So now we have three headlines where all the people who are writing just needs something that's going to garner clicks and none of y'all know what the fuck y'all are talking about. And that's just not okay. The same thing with this South by Southwest shit. we just seen them talking about some South by Southwest as a music scene is officially dead

and the fucking showrunner got to come out and say y'all niggas is lying. And it was with the Rolling Stone too. Yeah. I remember when we got killed when we put out like the wrong numbers for what Kendrick streamed by the half the time? I'm like, dog, we were reading from the Rolling Stone.

You're mad at us for not doing, I'm sorry. In my 34 years, I thought the Rolling Stone like we can maybe trust that they would put some facts out. Yeah. We're just reading off that. And now even they're putting out bullshit and then we're getting killed for it.

I'm like, though, I didn't make that up. I read it off. Anytime I see Beyonce is struggling to sell tickets, I'm not even reading anything after that. Because I know it's just not real. It's not a real thing.

I did believe that the South Side Southwest Music Week was dead when I read that. That kind of checked out to me. That's more believable. But while we were recording, they fixed it and the guy that created it is like we're just shortening it two days from what it was. I'll be honest. I kind of bend those.

to keep that music flow, those people that was going out there for music, they're trying to keep that audience. They don't want to, they don't want to lose that audience. That's what it is. I'm just shocked that they even care. I guess we have to tip our hats to them because they really must care about music. South by started out as a tech thing. And that was before Austin and the tech boom happened. That is the most thriving shit ever. With music, it's like, why do you even need to do it? Like, you know, just entertainment over the weekend just to have some, you know, that performance value to it. And then you bring in that, you know, that audience as well.

Did you ever do South by Southwest? Yeah, years ago. Which years did you go? I want to say 2013, 14. Oh, so you were prime years. No, yeah. When it mattered, mattered. Yeah, I think I went one year and was like, yeah, no, I'm cool.

Yeah, I did, I'm cool. 14 and 15, I want to say. And, like, the fader for it, Fillmore, like, those were some of the greatest music parties I've ever attended them. Like that was, for what it was, was an incredible time. Even though it's not officially dead, we already know that it's definitely taken a decline. It's not a priority the way it used to be.

But they are embedded in music history for the moments that they, especially for rap shit. Oh, yeah. I mean, some of, you know, a lot of people that I've heard for the first time that are doing great things now, like I heard them at South by for the first time. Didn't have no idea who they were and I was, okay. And now you look up and the headlining this doing this. that. I'm like, it's dope. So South by definitely had a time where it was important and was a great, you know, platform to launch artists and kind of get people out there if you haven't heard of them

yet. But I think over the years, just like with a lot of these festivals and, you know, conventions and things like that, it's just, the audience just comes there that has, they're bringing nothing to it. It's just that they're there for, you know, just take pictures, videos, I'm here. A lot of people just around, just to be around. It's not, no, it loses. It's a lore. Yeah. It, it, it, I feel like the crowd ends up matching the advertisers like to your point south by was so much discovery to me it was like the blog era in person is is what south i was it was the blog era performing those records those artists discovery up-and-coming shit basil was that way to me too like i went to r basil for the first time in 2011 or 2012 like complete different thing now now it's it just gets so corporate that the crowd

ends up becoming that as well like it's not just the kids that are there for the music now it's just this is a corporate thing. Yeah. Even all the parties, like they're so corporate, then regular people can't even get in. So the fun is going. Like, Fillmore at South by Southwest was really cool because it was actual people there. It wasn't some fucking exclusive shit that only music industry people could go. Nah, it was the kids that loved music if you could get in because the capacity was what it was.

Yeah. South by towards the end, just corporate shit. It was, what year was that when the baby was out there with a diaper on walking around? That's marketing. That had to be 2019, 20. No, I think it was way before that. Really? Yeah.

Like, that might have been 2017, 2016, I think. He had a diaper on. He was just walking around, like, promoting his music. 2017. Oh, wow. Yeah, I knew it was like definitely was way before 2020, 2019. I think that was the first time I had ever even heard of the baby. That was great marketing.

A little on the nose, but yeah. A little on the nose. Great marketing. Was he on, I don't even remember that clue. He was on 6th Street or he performed in a diaper. Oh, he was walking up and down. Sixth Street in a diaper had a big, like a baby, like kind of like a blow-up baby. Oh, yeah.

Blow-up babies, yeah. Yeah, he was. All right. How soon after was this when we watched him Merck someone on camera in Walmart? No one's saying a word to him. Like, you could do whatever you wanted. Like, I wasn't going to say anything. Yeah.

Is that the baby? Yeah. That was South by South West. Because I remember that. I was like, yo, who is this dude walking around South By and a diaper? Like, what is it going to be right now? That's ridiculous. I mean, years later, you know, look.

That's hilarious. I hope someone does eventually make a South By like documentary. Oh, yeah. That's happening. That definitely happening. Mike Carson should direct it. Like, the film or shit was his. Yeah.

That was his era. Virgil, like that, all that popped at South By before it never got to a mainstream level at all. Yeah. When I was, when I first heard of South Buy, like, I just found out South By was a tech thing like last year. I never, I always thought it was a music festival. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So odd future wave.

All that, South by. Kendrick's out like that. That's really where shit popped off. But our festival is really dead? Like, is this really, is this over? Is this like, well, I don't know what's next when it comes to the live music. I mean, I think it's similar to everything. Like, podcasting.

Remember the podcast, boom. Everyone had a fucking podcast, and then they all started to fail. And the people that have been here from the beginning stayed. Hey, talk your shit. We built a real audience. And I get it. Everything becomes a trend and people try the shit out and it fails.

It's every single genre. But I think we're going to already seeing that with festivals. Like, you're still going to have the legacy ones that will always be there because they've been there from the beginning and have built a real audience. But when that whole craze hit and advertisers just, it was just popping up with random Verizon, festival with fucking Taylor like it was how did you even start

your first festival with these artists oh because of brands behind it those are all going to fail because no one cares yeah like it's just going to die with any other trend but Coachllo will still be here everything that started this shit will still be here brands are splitting the pie like

a lot of what like granted I know that you do have to invest in advertising but like how many different ways you're going to cut up that advertising budget like the festival the live shows, the podcast, the content creators, the TV. It's a lot. Festivals are expensive.

Yeah. That's the one thing. I think a lot of people would like forget putting that together, getting that space, all the parts, the moving parts, the staff. It's a lot that goes into a successful festival. And they were like, I thought it was great for artists because they were getting above their fees. But that's also because, you know, an artist will probably have on their vision board when they start, I want to do Coachella. You'll even compromise some of your money

to do Coachella because it means something to you. Fucking Verizon Fest in Tennessee, but no, double my rate. Like they were paying artists out the fucking ass because there was no favors. There was no real relationship there. So that on top of like, though, Travis was getting like a million dollars to headline a festival. Fucking crazy. One festival we'll be at again this year is Brockley City though. Yeah. Oh, I'm going back for the girls. I'm going back. Can't wait.

Can't fucking. I was with you. I didn't even see you. No, Brock City, it was just fun. It was like, you know, it was a good time.

The energy was good out there. Like the crowd was dope. But that has, again, a commute. Like, people have been, fucking with Brockley City

for a very long time. Yeah. That's part of their year. Like, in their group chat. It's part of my year now. So I get it. Why do you think I've been going

the last 10 years? I was wondering where I was at April. Yeah. I was in D.C. Definitely going again. I can't wait to get back. Yeah. Me and Pete.

Is it April? I'm not sure what it. That's when it used to be. They definitely moved. I'm about the same. Traditionally for a long time, it was in April because it would always fucking ring. Okay. But yeah, me and Pete used to be out there on the ponchos back in the day.

Like, we wasn't missing it. Yeah. 2016 drenched. Shout out to Brockley City, man. Great festival. Why do you think it's such a great festival? It was just like a sense of community. Yeah.

It was a community. Which part of the community? Just, you know, just to, metropolitan DC area community, you know what I'm saying? DC Maryland, Virginia. Yeah, the DMV, you know, great people down there, man, great people. African girls. Yeah, it's just a community.

It's just very, you know what I mean? It feels like my people. You know what I mean? Nothing to do with the beautiful Ethiopian women that are in DC. No, but those are all my people. That's my family. You know what I'm saying? So it's good to see my family out there.

That's all. Your family. That's my family. I mean, that's all. Yeah, I want to see what their lineup is going to be this year. I know last year the men almost ran me over. Actually, I think I did get trampled over Gunna. And, like, you know, I'm not one of the girls that just throw out the sexual innuendos

and calling y'all bad words when y'all do girly shit. But running women down so that y'all could go see a man on stage is a little tambourinish. Would you rather they cry? Let it go. I'm sorry. It was right there. I didn't. But, like, come on, y'all, y'all was stomping.

It was some bad, some cuties there. And y'all, like, the cuties is tripping. And y' y'all running to go see Gunna. Like, come. down man like it was grown men too a lot of them was like least 40 38 come on you can't trample the baddies to go see gunna yeah you got to get that video running to go see a man is crazy I don't want to say it you know how crazy that is you take off run up like yo roy where you're going you're like you're not gunna about to perform yo what like if you start

running I'm like yo we could see the stage from right here like I promise you we wherever we was at in broccoli city we could see the Remember that Prince Harry video when he's being interviewed by like the news or whatever when he was still in the army? And like the alarm goes off and he just leaves the interview and dead sprints away. That's really what it was. The craziest I've ever seen that in my entire life. Made in America. I went, Black was on like one of the side stages.

So after his set, I was standing. And you can see like the whole grounds when 6'9 just said a fucking word backstage on the microphone. just whatever fucking gang affiliated words he was using. He just said blicky with a sticky. I have never seen that amount of people just dead sprint to a main stage in my life. It was like, it was insane to watch that many people run like fucking elbows, the high's knees,

all the way to that stage, C6,9. The crazy shit, I think I saw was probably bad bunny a made in America. Oh yeah, that was dangerous. No, it was people out there from 11 a.m. No, but for sure, and they knew Bad Bunny was there. 6-9 was a surprise. That wasn't

supposed to happen. So all the kids, like, not everyone was waiting at the stage, it was like between acts. So to watch a whole festival grounds run to a main stage was the craziest thing I've seen. It was like herds of cattle. To get to that front stage to see 6'9.

I would have been one of people running. Like that 6'9 era was a, I would have been one of people running. No, the performance was flawless. Yeah, I would have been, I would have been one else. You know who had a really good performance that made in America? Don Tolover. He went on before Bad Bunny,

which is not easy to do. Like, going on right before Bad Bunny and his set list was crazy. Yeah. Like, I forgot Don had that many, like, records. Great records. And I mean, you know, he's from the Travis School, who takes performing very fucking seriously.

We're putting a show on. You know, that was crazy. But I'm telling you, man, Before we found out who Daniel Hernandez really was, we can't say six nine music didn't slap. Oh, no, I was, no, I was mad that they banned them from Summer Jam. Like, I feel, I feel bad for even giving that era some flack when hip hop was changing. Because six nine is nars compared to some of these young kids. If I go back and listen to them six nine right, like don't work great songs.

They still hit. Yeah, but we don't jack that. But that Kuda shit? Which is the one with Fetty on it? Oh, God, I can't remember. I don't know. I can't remember. He named him some really dumb shit.

It was like his friends. They weren't even like part of the song. He was just like, yeah, no, is it? That's the name of it now. That shit. That album, yeah. That was just an interesting time in New York in general. Like, that was a wild time, to say the least.

I was thinking about that. I was listening to the album that Meg dropped during COVID. And I was listening to me. This was when TikTok was blowing up. I don't know if y'all saw it because y'all weren't on TikTok, but it did kind of leak into Instagram. Do you guys remember the crybaby challenge that Meg did to the cryberries? I'm like, if we were outside. What was the crybaby challenge?

What was that? When the girls were doing, when they were dropping down and getting their eagle on, basically. But it was like a scooting motion. Okay. Yes. If that was going on during festivals, like if we were able to be outside when that was happening, we would have really enjoyed life. You didn't enjoy it without the festival? Was that COVID?

That was COVID. Isn't this like the anniversary right now? No. It's March 18 tomorrow. The world shut down tomorrow. Yeah, well, they're hearing this tomorrow. Oh, yeah. It is.

Oh, yeah. Happy anniversary. Yeah. Happy anniversary. You know it's five years. That's insane. Happy anniversary to the biggest scam that ever was. The biggest sham.

We're going to get flag on YouTube. You're not allowed to say that's why we're going to get flagged. I'm telling the truth. It's the biggest shame in history. The biggest shame. Insert the vaccine into your computer, please, so we don't get flags. The biggest sham, COVID. Get the fuck out of it.

Meg kind of smoked COVID, though. Like, I really feel she did the best out of the rappers, like, with that time. Because she had the, was the Beyonce joint during COVID-2? Like, she was killing the TikTok dance. Anything she put out was attached to a TikTok thing. Yep. She killed that time. She had, like, three, like, TikTok dances from one album.

Like, and they were all, like, viral. roll TikTok challenges. It was absolutely insane. Yeah. She had every chick in the world just doing this constantly. I didn't understand it. Yeah, I wasn't on that algorithm. I don't know which I was listening to. Classy, bouchy. Ratchet. Oh yeah, that is when that came. Every chick did this.

Couldn't wait to do this. Five years already? Damn. And then wasn't a what-ass pussy during COVID too? Yep. You know, Meg went crazy during COVID. She might have been the number one rapper during COVID. When was the Manicin Challenge? What year was that?

Oh, God. 2018, I want to say. 18? Yeah. Now, go ahead, Judge. We really disappointed. No, no, no. I'm judging a Manichick Challenge.

I know it wasn't that far. It wasn't that far away from COVID. That's what I thought about it. I thought it was during COVID. I'm like, nah, people was outside. Listen, there's been a lot of dumb challenges. We've all admitted we'd planked all that. The Manitin Challenge was pretty cool.

2016? Damn. Like, we had a hard. whole theater of people in Palooza stop. Like, that was cool to me. Beyonce just did that her whole tour, bro. Yeah, that was after. Yeah, I mean, she had whole stadiums stopping.

I mean, Ray, right from it would walk so Beyonce could run. That's true. Like, if you think about it, that's really her biggest influence. I didn't think about it. Yeah, the Maniccan Challenge was, people are so creative with our stupid shit. Y'all remember the ALS challenge? What was that?

The Ice Bucket Challenge. Oh yeah, I never did that dumb shit. Just throw a bucket of cool of ice cold water on me. To raise money, but I don't know how to raise. 90% of the money was. Where did the money go? I think it actually did some good. I don't think it was like the, you know, like the Haiti earthquake relief fund.

Like I think some money made it to some people that needed it. Yeah, we still got to talk to why Clef about that. We ain't talking Clef about that one yet. Where is that Haiti relief money at? Why do you think he doesn't care they keep canceling the Fuji stuff? Like, I'm fine. I'm good. I'm not true.

I'm going to jail because of this shit. Oh, man. Oh, that's wild. The prize is going to jail and Wycliffe's still out. Yeah. Look at the justice system. He's home, man. Fuck it.

But I never did the ALS challenge. No, I'm cool on the ALS challenge. But, you know. But I really do think that one did some good. I don't think it was a scam like a lot of others. Okay. But I still fully wasn't even aware of what ALS was until that. So.

I'm with you. I didn't know either. Well, it raised awareness. No. There you go. That's all you got to do is raise some awareness. Donate some money. The funniest part was after people like poured it over their head,

they really felt like they did something good for the worlds. And then aggressively yelled three names as if those people weren't good people yet. Like you see what I did. Do you give a fuck about anyone? And then they challenge people to go do it. And then you get challenged. And I got challenged. And I was sitting there like, I don't want to pour ice over my.

head, but if I don't do this, now does it look like I don't care about people with the else? So I just didn't. They raised $115 million, though. Where did they go? Wait, where was the link to pay, though? Exactly. See, now we're asking the questions. Because everyone challenged each other, but it was never like, yo, Lincoln bio. I told y'all years ago, let's start looking at these Girl Scout cookies. Y'all laughed at me until I started telling you how much they generate every year. Oh, your marriage was telling me they stepped on the dope too.

Yeah, those shit's little ass, fuck them, little mini-ass cookies. They ain't cutting that shit now. Cut, they got metal in those cookies. Oh, yeah, you know what you're supposed to eat them? Yeah. They got metal. You know how much money they make every year? Y'all thought I was joking years ago when I said this shit.

I'm like, nobody thinks this is crazy? Who is doing the accountant for this Girl Scout shit? They generate billions selling cookies. Are you fucking kidding me? Well, once I saw that they posted a headline saying, hey, today's the last day you can say you were raped in the Boy Scouts? or, you know. Today's the last day.

Today's the last day. Today's the last day you can say. What do you mean? It's the last day. Or just make peace with it. Today is the last day you're allowed to sue the Boy Scouts. Once I saw that, I was like, oh, the Girl Scout racket is going to go forever. Yo, listen.

If they didn't care about the little boys getting touched, you think they give a fuck about that. That's nothing. They make $800 million a year from January to April. Now, what do they do? And who makes it? Like, have you ever met anyone that works for the Girl Scouts? You all laughed at me when I said this years ago. for the Girl Scouts. Like, where's their staff?

Nobody. Is one person making this? Nobody thinks this is crazy that in four months they're making $800 million every year. Selling cookies door to door? First of all, that's slavery. It's child labor. It's child labor. What are we talking about? Like, what are we talking about? I know adults selling these shit that they job. I'm like, yo, who's your plug? Your daughter? No, that's what it was. Where are you getting these grown ass ladies selling girls?

Girl Scout cookies at her nine to five. For a little badge. They get a badge if they want. Eight hundred million a year. If you end up like netting $20,000 worth, they give you like a tent or something. Like I feel like I feel like a bag that you sell this amount. You don't need that tent to living. I can't keep selling this shit.

It's insane. And I feel like any company that could generate $800 million a year for this long, you would know there'd be at least two degrees separation of someone you knew that worked there. council and troop proceeds a portion of the cookie sales goes to the local girl scout council which funds local program and maintains camps and provides scholarships while a portion goes to the troop which the girls can use for community service projects educational trips or badges listen man we need to look into the shit where's the girl scout documentary at 800 million a year for the last how many years they started selling cookies in 1917 it's over 100,000,

years of selling fucking cookies. Now, y'all was telling me to go find an old steen. I need to go find like scout. Like, I need to definitely get in on that fucking money. That is insane that they make that much money every year selling those fucking cookies. Also, when have you ever been to a community event that was sponsored by the Girl Scouts? Like, what have you ever seen them do for the community? I've never seen.

Portions go to help the local community. Where have you ever seen a fucking hashtag lunch bag with the Girl Scouts? I've never, I don't even know where you go to become a girl. Where do you even go? Girlscout.com? Like, where do you, what building do they walk into and say, hey, I'm going to be a Girl Scout today? You've never seen like, like, I've never thought of that's a great question. You've never seen a, a building that said Girl Scouts of America sign up here.

I've never even seen that. They just show up with a dress, a fucking skirt and a shirt and a fucking a beret on and fucking boxes of cookies. I've seen. Where are they coming from? They may I. Where do you sign up to be a Girl Scout? I've seen Enron buildings. I've seen Black Rock buildings in the city.

I see Halliburton buildings. I've walked past them. I've never walked past the Girl Scout headquarters. You've never drove past a storefront in Manhattan and seen Girl Scout sign. Legit companies that are committing federal crimes, I've walked past the huge sign in Midtown Manhattan. Like, Dan, they've been crimes and you have a sign.

It's like some BMF shit. I've never seen the Girl Scout shit. Like, who knows? Who's even into Girl Scouts anymore? I mean, I'm on the website right now about to like try to join. Am I too old? you're never too old to sell drugs, De Maris. You're never too old to sell drugs.

You can sell drugs whatever you want. That's the beauty of selling drugs. That's drugs that they're selling. Those are not cookies. First of all, I think you should be a scout leader because if they're generating $800 million, you could take a nice little off the top and they're not going to notice.

Rory, you're not understanding it. They're generating $800 million annually in four months out of the year. to April. You can't even get this dope after April. The IRS doesn't even do that in April. You know what I'm saying? A year?

And that's what's weird to me, right? Because it ain't like cookies go out of season. Shit is not strawberry. So why is it only four months out of the year? Because that's when they want to set up shop. They want to hit the block from January to April. If you do it right, you could take the whole sum off. Jeezie said that right.

If you do it right, you can take the whole. owe some all. Y'all thought he was talking about dope. He was talking about the Girl Scouts of America. Y'all not listening. I told you all this 10 years ago. He hit the cookies in his aunties house.

He did. He hid the fucking Samoas in the couch. He wasn't selling bricks. He was selling Girl Scout cookies. Y'all not listening. You're not doing the math here. This is crazy.

We can start our own group. We can start a troop. Oh. Of course you can start a troop. You didn't see. You didn't see. See what Amari? It's time to earn your fucking keep over here.

Remember when Amarion took the book bag to go see the, yeah, he was going to get Girl Scout cookies. Y'all not listening. $200 million a month for four months is absolutely crazy selling cookies. Oh, yeah, no. Omar is signing up today. They require a criminal background check. You fucking right, they do.

They need to know if you're a rat. They need to know if you're wearing a wire. Because once you go in there and see how they're making those cookies and how fast. some shit that's moving, you're not going to believe that shit, man. And they got the nervous thing we found traces of metal in these cookies. Damn, there are all of them, right? They're like 90% of it. Every box has metal in it.

When that shit slinging across the conveyor belt like that, they don't got no time to clean that shit up. Nigger, get that shit in the box and hit the street. It's probably kids making that shit too. Yeah, you're fucking kidding me? We ain't got time to clean this conveyor, but nigga, sit in the Samoas down the line, box it up, put it in her book bag,

and get on Linux Avenue right now. Blue Magic. That's a brand name. It's a brand name. It's a brand name. Frank Lucas wasn't making $800 million in four months. Are you kidding me? 800 million.

Y'all not doing the math yet. Four months is crazy. Every, and this is every year. With free labor. Like, that's what I'm thinking. Like, you don't even got to pay the employees. Like, it's really free labor. You give them a bag.

I can just go out of here and create a troop. Like, I'm creating labor, like, labor workers for you. And just give them a badge. That shit. It is crazy. This is the craziest scam in American history and nobody's paying attention. This is right in our nose for years. And we just like, yo, the Samoa's come out next month.

Nigger, they make an $800 million every year. And it's probably tax-free because I think it's a nonprofit. Of course it's tax rent. That's the government selling the fucking drugs. Josh, can you Google nonprofit? Because it looks like a lot of motherfucking profit over there. Yeah. The overhead is not $800 million.

You're making profit. It's, bro, y'all not, you're not listening. Every year I say this and y'all laugh. Yo, Girl Scout. Somebody has to look into this shit. Is Girl Scouts a big farmer? Absolutely. It's all the same people.

800 million every year for four months and nobody's even like. It's a tax-exempt nonprofit 501c3 based in New York, New York. Taxes. What is charitable about this? What 501-3 status could you have for selling fucking cookies? Nobody's listening. Fuck it, man. Okay, so it says in 20s.

This is bigger than Nino Brown. This is way bigger than fucking. This is way bigger than the same. This is way bigger than the CNB. Are you kidding me? Ain't nobody in Harlem owner Uzi. This is the Girl Scouts of America of the United States of America.

200 million a month. You don't know nobody doing them type of number. They said 50 million of it is membership dues. Like, I'm paying you to work for you. I had to pay you to make you money. Now start to click. First of all, we all right, we need to start a new Patreon tier where they pay us to then go be our street team

and get other people to sign up, but they pay us to be able to do that. And look at what they say. The cookie program is designed to teach girls valuable skills about running a business, help them develop character and promote the organizational mission. Are you kidding me?

Jim Jones said the same thing in Guyana. This is crazy. This is crazy. They might as well be located in Waco, Texas at this point. This is... The Girl Scouts are funded from private donations, membership dues, corporate sponsors, and special events. Y'all not doing the math.

Nah. You're not doing the math. We talk about the big three religion. A billion dollars. Christianity, Judaism. This might have to be the fourth. Bro, I'm telling you, a billion dollars in almost four months. This is crazy.

Those cookies ain't that goddamn good. Like, let's just be real here. Yeah. You can get better home-baked cookies like in the mall. Nah, but ain't nobody making them Samoas, though. They're different. Well, now they're called caramel delights, but. Was it politically incorrect?

Yeah, because, you know, Samoans, you know. Yeah. It's a type of people. You can't. It was named after people. It's basically their version of the Cleveland Indians. So it's called caramel delights? Yeah.

The Samoas are now caramel delight. I actually, if I was Simone, I'd feel more offended because like now you call me a caramel delight and I don't like that. Just don't call me Samoan. This is stupid. This is stupid. Caramel Delights. What do we do?

talking about you. Oh, okay. Well, actually, no, I'm sorry. I don't think it had anything to do with Samoa. No. We made that up. I'm really just being asked about. Apparently, there are two bakeries. The Girl Scout Council's contract with one of two licensed bakers, the little brownie bakers and the ABC bakers, one of them who makes Samoa's and one of them who sells them as caramel delights, even though they're the same cookie. They're cutting that dope up. It's regional. Eskabar Griselda. Yeah, it's, you know, they're just cutting that dope up. Yo, it's us making up a whole story behind the name of the Samoa. I swear to God, knew they were not named after Samoa.

I just thought that was funny. Hey, gangsta. Look what they're saying now. You could buy them on DoorDash. So now they're getting rid of the Girl Scouts and just now the product is on DoorDash. Yeah, I'm not going to lie to you. I ain't seen a scout in a minute. So now they didn't even got to pay the workers.

They weren't before. Having so much money that you get rid of your slaves is hilarious. This is what I'm free labor that they got rid of. This is what I'm saying. Nobody, everybody's just like, oh, the girls, they're teaching them. What about their character? Yeah, like, get the fuck out of here with them. They're making this much.

Come on, man. This is absolutely. Every year. Every year, a billion dollars selling cookies. That's fucking insane. I don't even think Nabisco was making a billion dollars selling cookies every year. Dahl. Chips Ahoy, Oreo, none of them nigs, a billion dollars.

Bisco. No way. That's worse. Why y'all pocket watching the cookie companies? Demaris. If anybody's making 800. million dollars a year in four months every year for over 50, 60 years, we have to have a conversation. That's a lot of fucking money in four months.

Insane. Selling cookies? America's obese, but let's be for real. Who the fuck is eating $800 million worth of cookies in four months? This is craziness. I think I've always thought this Girl Scout shit was insane. Always. Once I found out, I said, all right, a billion dollars of four months and nobody's talking about this.

Cool. Yeah. The fact is never brought up, too, like, even when Elon got into office as the president of the United States, when he was talking about fixing all our shit, even some of tax stuff, we could dead federal income tax if they just pay their fair share. Tomorrow. Tomorrow, it's going. Tax the fucking Girl Scouts of America. That's it. That's all we need. Oh, man. Y'all get it one day. Maybe not today, but y'all get it. All right, man.

Do we have voicemails? Let's get some order restored here. Yes, we do. Let's cue them up. You've got mail. Eric, what up. Pige, what up. Also, he'll never get no shoutouts. I got two questions, day one fan, by the way. Two questions about interracial relationships. One, so I'm just to give a back story.

I'm a white dude. I come from like a, you know, family that didn't come from money. My mom and dad, the only ones that graduated from college. So I was in the hood most of my, you know, younger life. So I was in a predominantly black neighborhood. So as I grew up, that's all I dated was black girls, black women. That's all I've dated because I don't want no doormat bitch. Then white girls, man, you tell her to shut the fuck up and she shut up.

That's right. What the fuck is going on with that? Anyways, so I'm at work, right? It goes to current day. I'm at work. These dudes are kind of timid around me, but they're cool with me. You know what I'm saying? But I can tell they're not showing their full personality.

They're the black youth of my job. And I've always drifted towards black people just because I don't relate to a lot of white people. in the sense of their like stories and shit. So, but they, they see my girl come in and bring this Sean Dickerson. And they're like, who is that? I'm like, that's my girl. And they start gaps everywhere, just daps. Yo, you're one of us.

You started the 10,000 man March type shit. I'm like, I didn't have a speech at the Washington Monument. You know what I'm saying? Like that wasn't me. See, he did. So I want to know why that happens. And two, Damaris, how do black women have a sixth sense of when white men only date black women or not inside their race.

That's easy. They get shapeups. They get shape-ups. Yo, they get shape-ups. That is the way to signify it. They get shape-old. If he got the box right here, he date black women.

When I was younger, it was boxier. Yeah. That's an easy. That gives it away immediately. He goes to a real, he goes to a black barber. Wait, so did he really have a question, or he was just telling us that he gets bitches?

He wanted to tell us his bitch was bad. I respect him. Now, I think his question was, you know, why, I feel like it's a self-explanatory, but his question was, why do black men suddenly accept him when they know that he has a black girlfriend? I don't know. I think he just wanted to tell us that he liked black people. I mean, it goes, it's like when we saw Dirk, right?

Dirk New Whiskey, great player. When we saw that his wife was black and he was coming to the game with the Tupperware. With the Tupper. To go with the goal. With the goal plays wrapped in foil, bad motherfucker. See, he go from being good to. bad motherfucker. That's all it is.

Once you know a white boy, like, oh, you date the sisters? Are you with us? Now we can loosen up. We know that you go through certain types of things. We all, we date black women, so you understand the shit we go through at home because you're going through the same shit. You're just a white boy, but you love the sisters. Everyone respected Steve Nash, but it was just a little different.

It was a little different. When they walked in the arena. It's like, oh, his white. What? He with us. He over here. Steve, now we can get our jokes off. We ain't got, you know, the white boys here kind of keep things.

Nah, he hear the same shit we hear. He listened to the same music. When you see a white guy that dates black women and you didn't know that at first, it definitely changes everything after that. From experience, I'm like, oh, shit, you're okay. You're comfortable. How to change for us? When I met you, I knew you dated black girls.

It wasn't like I didn't know. Did he look like it though when you met him? Did he look like he? We were in a brownstone in Harlem. One million percent. I was the only white person. Yeah, like absolutely. Like, of course you know that.

Like, yeah, he'd date black girls. But you just, like growing up, you could just, you can tell. Like, not a lot of people are privileged enough to grow up around a lot of different cultures. That is one thing about growing up in New York City that I absolutely love is the fact that on my block in particular, I probably was only one of maybe three black guys on my block. Like, everybody else was Puerto Rican, Dominican, Cambodian, Irish. Like, it was Indian. It was all different types of cultures.

And then you grew up in an apartment building, family above me, family inside of me, family underneath me. So it's like we all in the same area. Like I'm going to hear the music that your family plays. I'm going to smell the food that your family cooks. Like, so we all get a kind of understanding of each other's cultures and things like that just because we grew up with each other. So what he's saying is the same thing. Like, yeah, I grew up. This is what I grew up to love.

Like, these are the people that I love. This is who I'm comfortable around. Like, so I get what he's saying. I understand that. We're walking with Mark because Mark rocking with us, yo. Sorry, that's a TikTok thing. But yeah, I mean, like Maher said, I was about to say there's a certain look that they have, but also it is the, I think it is the shape up.

Yeah, it's how they get their hair cut. We go to the same barber. He with us, man. He in the barbershop having the same conversations. He listened to the same music. I can hear him. He live upstairs. I hear what he listens.

He's playing nods. Like, I might not go fuck with him. Like, we walk the school together. We get in the same school. We get on the same train to school. He went in the same norface I got on. Like, he's who does. And also, it's easy for black women.

Black women who've been around away a little bit to tell the white men who are genuinely just in love with us and attracted to us and those who have a fetish for us. We can tell that apart because I've definitely been fetishized. Which one am I? Hmm? Hmm? Which one am I. I mean, the only thing of white. white woman could do for you is point you point out the bad sister she know you ain't got nothing for

a white woman not the time of a day not a nickel not a spare dollar what not a piece of gum you don't got shit for a white woman mama included so now we see that's but that's what i respect my bitches but that's what's what it's fucked up at though because you see how y'all embrace him because he like he date nothing a black woman no i'm just saying no but that's why i'm trying to avoid no but it's why being so quiet during this conversation. But it's a real thing because if I was on the side like, yo, only thing a sister could do is point me to the milk. But white women will up, so this is the thing. I have a preference for who has a preference for me. So if me and my sister's are a preference, then obviously you're going to get preferential

treatment. If your preference is something else, then it's for those people who you prefer to treat you like the king that you are. I'm not going to treat you like a king and you is, I'm a peasant to you, that doesn't even make any sense. No, no, it's not peasantry. It's more like if I grew up, if I grew up in a predominantly white or Asian community. Yeah, if your name was Caden.

And that's what I'm, that's what I'm, that's what I'm, the girl I go to school with, if I'm probably, my first crush was probably, Megan. You understand what I'm saying? But it's not because I don't like black, it's what I grew up at.

Like, I grew up around this. Ain't nothing wrong. I mean, there's some people. There's some people, I can only speak for myself. There's some people who are completely against that and they find it disrespectful. And I don't care about it.

As long as when you're uplifting white women, you leave black women out of it, I don't care who you date. I've dated white men before. Like, as long as you leave me and mine out of it and you don't got to disrespect us, for example, that clip that's going, the biggie from Nitorious, the guy that played him. So clip going viral at him where he was like, you know, I was dating all these other types of races of women. I didn't date black girls.

Like, all they cared about was Burkings and Chanel's and going to expensive restaurants. And I did nothing with these other women and got treated like. a king you don't got to just say you like other women you don't got to bring up black women and what we don't do and what we're like and we're too loud and say the women that you dated like people need to do that it's particular to the black women that yeah you dated and general like thinking white women don't care about chanelle and oh i got another thing coming another thing all women love chenell like are you kidding me so i mean you know people just got to it's all subjective to you and where you're from how you grew up how you were

raised like that's all this she comes down to yeah so he should meet more white people you say he should meet more white people yes say he doesn't relate to any white people whatsoever is like that was kind of a weird voice mouth i mean can i understand it i understand it you can not be that guy already do it fuck it you can't understand how somebody doesn't relate to white people i fully understand everything that he said okay i just don't say it out loud that way because now it's like He prefaced it with y'all, I'm from the hood. I was poor. So I only fuck around with black people.

Like, that's just a black thing. Right. Like, I heard that. You can meet other white people that I'm sure you have something in common which. Absolutely. Poverty, you shouldn't run to black people because poverty is the only thing you can relate to.

Right. Yeah. I get it. I understand that. He sounded nuts. You can grow up, you can grow up poverished in white communities as well. The worst ghettos are the poor white ghettos. Yeah.

Disgusting. Fettingol everywhere. It's gross. I'd rather grow up in a black ghettos than a white ghetto any day like that. though it's when you're in the hood and then when you're in the like the trenches like that's terrifying like I am terrified to go over there

with them toothless people that's wild yo toothless people y'all know exactly what I'm talking about Jay took me to like the outskirts of New Orleans to like the white oh my that was the scariest like put me and Marcy that shit was terrifying yeah I'm cool I'm cool I'm cool on it

and you know Jay talked to everybody there was definitely a fentanyl head that looked like he was about 50 years old. Jay was like, how old are you? Whatever they was talking. He was like, you know, I'm 33. I was like, yo, Jay, let's come on. Let's get out of here. This 60 year old just told me he was 33. If you're white and you poor in America, you got to be a drug addict. It has to be an addiction there. There's no way you're white in America and just like poor. Like, what's wrong with you? If you don't go lie on a resume, don't piss me up.

You got a two-lap head start. Like, you were white in America. Well, I do agree with you. Can we? No, now I have to defend my people. What do you mean? This whole, like, every white person knows a judge or anything. Like, there's plenty of poor white people that have had generations of poor white families that just never got into a circumstance where they were even able to learn work ethic.

Or they've just been impoverished their whole fucking time. They were in the trailer the whole time. And I guarantee you somewhere in that story, drug addiction is there. Well, I mean, naturally that it comes with. poverty. That's all I'm saying. Being poor in America, bro, what the fuck are you doing? I just saw, and this isn't really a white thing,

but I just saw some headline, which I'm sure is probably fake now that Rolling Stone is putting out bullshit. It was like 72% of Harvard graduates last year couldn't find a job. Oh yeah, it's right now it's different out there. Like, it's really the job market right now is

like people are $300,000 in debt from school with degrees, degrees, And unless you're in the medical field, or like any field that is like you're an essential worker, it's very hard for people to find jobs. It's so many people went into tech because of the tech boom and they're laying them people off like whores or three. You don't need humans no more.

The robots are doing everything. Fuck Harvard. Yeah. Looks the point. Yeah, man. Then they created robots for real? Or was that MIT? Amity.

It's definitely a more of a tech. Kim Kardashian put the stamp on it. So it's over now. I want to test a fucking one of those robots in the photo shoot. See that's how you get in trouble. Lime. He wasn't fucking a robot.

See? You guys don't remember that headline like years ago by 2025 women would be fucking robots and was the picture of the girl laying and I'm saying Kim fulfilled the prophecy. He can't go to Calabasasas

he's disrespectful. No worry about it. You're not allowed to the 7-Eleven in Calabasasas. You can't come around. You ain't gang. Well that's fine. I don't relate to the Kardashians.

I only relate to poor black people. Yeah, that was, that was wild, man. Like, you know, like... He didn't say it like that. Don't do that. He didn't say only relate to poor black people. He didn't say that. He didn't say that.

I speak ghetto white. I know what the fuck he was saying. And also, like, you can't just say, like, I grew up in the hood, like, so I grew up around. Because I got black cousins that never seen a white person, like my rich cousins from over in the Maryland DMV area. They don't see white people like that. And they all got money. They don't see white people like that.

They don't see white people like that. And the DMV, and a part of Maryland that they're in predominantly black neighborhoods where they have a gated community in every house in that gated community is black, million dollar homes. Like, they don't see white, they went to school with all black people. Like, yeah. Huh? And you didn't know that Maryland was, yeah, they have big communities in Maryland.

It has the highest percentage of black millionaires. No, I know that. But to say they've never seen white people, it was fucking crazy. Obviously, I was being dramatic. I'm sure white people living in a neighborhood. The paradise version of just. Dramatic, obviously. What is it?

But even to that, like Baldwin Hills, I'm sure it's probably changed. I don't know too much better. But that was like black Beverly Hills type shit. I'm sure with the school systems and neighborhood, they didn't see any white people. Like you see, like you see them. You come into contact with them in the grocery store, but they're not in your day-to-day life. Like for the first, my first time going like, when I went into Baltimore and then went like deeper into Maryland, everybody was black.

Like I saw white people, but like everybody was black. I've never been used to that before. I live in New York. So it's kind of like even. There's all types of different people. It was like everybody at the at the Greyhound was black, at the airport was black. The workers and the stores were black. It was very, very black.

I couldn't imagine going to someone like that. That would freak me to fuck out. Like not seeing somebody for the first time like a race of people. I mean, that would freak me the fuck out. That's pretty normal for a regular American. That's what I'm saying. I'm so grateful I grew up in New York City. Like I cannot imagine being from somewhere and seeing like I now see the internet's

on crazy because they didn't know like Indian women were Caribbean. Like they didn't know coolies with it. I'm like, wait, what the fuck are you all talking about? It's kind of, it's not, you're not supposed to say it. But I know, I got a pass in Richmond Hill, but I'm still not going to say it. I can say that shit. So anyway, so the fact that people on the internet are bugging out about that, I'm like, yo, where the fuck have y'all been living?

I saw that video too. But again, that's also a very specific Queens thing. Oh, it's not. But like heavy, heavy on West Indian, but there's a full Indocide that is full. Indian. Like they're not even black, but they're still Caribbean. I don't think a lot of people know that. A lot of people don't know that. That is, that is. It's crazy. It's crazy to you because of where you live, but if you live in the deep fucking south and you've never seen an Indo-Caribbean person, or when you see people on TV, people are not going around saying, I'm Indo-Caribbean. You don't, where would you

see them? How would you know that? They're not teaching you that in school because it's not even like American history. That's a whole other country and what was going on there. So how would you know that? Yeah, like I think... It's literally called West Indian. I know, but I think a lot of people that aren't around that type of culture would think like Trinidad, Jamaica, just they'd have that stereotype in their head.

Not knowing half of Trinidad is just straight Indian people. It's not even black people. Like, it's... That shit is crazy to me. The fact that people are online like... And they were like, wait, I didn't know that. I was like, what are y'all talking about? And also, it's called the West Indies and West Indian

because Christopher Columbus's dumb ass thought that he was. was in, he didn't think he was in America. He thought he was in India. Like, that's why. He thought he was in the East Indies over here and he thought that was the West Indies. If you just learned that though, that there were like Indian

Caribbean people. And you just learned that when you saw that video of that girl dancing, those are the type of people I never want to meet in my life. That just found that out today. But what are we going to talk about? The wealthy ignorant or the people that would look at that and be you also can't get mad at just the

novice person that never grew up around that. they would have no fucking idea. Like, damn, I didn't know that in the Caribbean, it's mainly Indian people as well. Yeah, I don't, if you didn't frequent Richmond Hill, I don't know if you'd fucking know how many Indian people are West Indian. And now that's sad. I know it's sent it sounds nuts. But even me coming from upstate New York, I learned so much about Afro, Latina, so much

about the West Indies, all of that. When I moved to New York City and started like coming to New York City more as a kid, when I was younger, that wasn't a thing. You had white people, black people, Asian people, like it was not, or they were Hispanic. Like, you weren't really getting into all of the different mixes and all of the different nationalities that you can be. There's no Caribbean people in Syracies? There were people, but the majority of them, you would just, they were Jamaican.

You met Jamaican people. Or you were taught that they were Jamaican, even if they weren't Jamaican, which was another thing. See, I'm glad you said that. Yeah. Because that's what I was great to say. no, you thought, you were just told that those were Jamaicans. Yeah. They weren't Jamaican, Trinidadian, Guyanese.

Like, and that's the thing. It's like people just told, people just think it's Jamaican, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, you don't really learn that. And honestly, I mean, I get it. I am happy that I have all of that knowledge, but sometimes I think it must have, sometimes I wish I was born in the South. And it must have been nice for, no, but see, this is the thing.

It must have been nice for the standard of beauty and the standard of woman that everybody wants and uphold is the black American woman. Because a lot of times, like in LA and New York, it's not the black American woman. Everybody wants the foreign, the Indian girl or the Caribbean girl. Like growing up like in New York and New York, like in New York City when I was coming up in college and stuff, that's what everybody wanted. Everybody wanted the island girls and this, this and that. Like everybody talks mad shit about black American woman. In the South, it's not like that. Like black Americans are like the standard. You go to school with black Americans. Americans, everybody in your neighborhood is black American.

I'm sure that that was nice to come across. Like, everybody is the same. You really feel like you have a community. In the South, we get chased out of the self. Sometimes, but not in all. There's plenty of safe black communities where they come into contact with white people sometimes. So yeah, it has its dangerous.

It has its ups and its downs. But they also have their own shit. Like, even when all the Cowboy Carter shit was going on, there was a lot of discourse. And they were like, oh, you guys, especially the Northerners, we're like, oh, you guys are proud. Like, this is the super liberal. this is propaganda. Why are you guys running around with the American flag?

And like the southern like Texas girls, Tennessee girls, they're like, no, we're proud to be like southern black. Like this rodeo shit, we've been doing this. Like this is how we grew up. So this is who Beyonce is speaking for. Like the people that grew up like her who are proud to be from the black self. So I mean, you know, we all have our regional things. That went off on a tangent. Listen now.

We know, we got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. I feel the man. We got it. We got it. I love West Indian women. We know. I do too. Who are you telling? I do too.

Oh, man. I was trying to get you to say, like, I know he was going with it. I get it. Yes. But also, that's why I think, shout out to this caller. I really don't want to continue to shit on him. But like, I'm not shit on him. That's what we know. No, I'm just like, no, I want him to open his horizons of other people that he can meet. Like, I have, I probably have more to talk about with my interests in culturally with Sean. than I would even with Kia. And Kia's a black woman,

but Sean grew up listening to all the music that I grew up, and he's white. It's an interest thing. It's not a hood thing, I guess, would be my way. Like, you know. Sean is also from the hood, though. Yeah, but still, like, you have stuff to talk about based off similar interests growing up.

Rather than, you know, Kia, who's a black woman, didn't really listen to hip hop at all, but grew up in the middle of New York City. Yeah. So we don't have that interest to talk about. He just, he needs to find some white people that are cultured. They're out there. They get you a white friend, man.

Yeah. Definitely need some cultured white. Reach out to me and Pige. We can start a group chat. Yeah. See? Him and Peege are not going to get along. Why not?

Why wouldn't this gentleman and peas get along? If he's out here acting like, they're the same. Nah, Pete, no. Do you think me and this gentleman would get along? Y'all might have a little bit more to talk. Well, the person I probably get along with the most in this room is Peach. Yeah, what I'm trying to say. Like, what do you what?

No, at first of all, that's not what I meant because everybody gets along with Peach. What I, he's everyone's favorite coworker. What I'm saying is this guy, the type of guy that he is like, Peach, you don't want to talk to him about who's Morgan Allen? What's his name? Wallin. Like he listens to like rap though. Like he listens to, you know, our culture.

Like, for sure. But he ain't going to, me ain't going to abandon his Kansas roots either though. No. Yeah. Got to drink his, his, his, his mill of light. you know what I mean but he's going to nods while he's drinking it it's balanced that's what life is about

he's going to hit every N-word yeah it's balanced baby don't do that I'm joking I'm joking it's balanced man all right well hopefully that caller is somewhere being respectful to white people that he hasn't met yet even though he's a white man himself but you know we understand

and we get it he called white women doormats oh god damn yeah that was another thing because I know some black dormats too like that that black girl is going to tell you about yourself, next snap shit. Please don't feed into that rhetoric. I know some very soft black girls that will let you run over them like

them white girls you're talking about. And I know some white women who won't. These white girls is out here killing these niggas for talking to them crazy. What do we talk about? Like have you ever dated an Italian woman from New Jersey? New Jersey. I hope you don't get stabbed. Just stop at Italian women.

That's not a dormant. Have you ever dated an Italian woman? Russian women? Listen. hands hands and feet you're getting your ass for it and you can't defend yourself because their dad will also kill you yeah yeah that's the part you they forget about i met your uncles yeah go go to brighton beach manhattan beach and tell me if you think white women are dormets it ain't the case all right well it's been another fun audio video video visual yeah audio

visual yeah we're on camera are we you didn't record right beach sometimes i forget about these cameras yeah wrong it's like i don't even see the cameras rory Damn, we just chilling. It's not even here. It's so natural. What are we doing here? What is this thing? What is this thing called?

I thought we just came to hang out. We just can't have fun, talk some shit. All right, well, we'll talk to you on a couple days. Please be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.

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