New Rory & MAL - Episode 363 | Our Casual Opinion

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

TGIF. We got Mecca from "Our Expert Opinion" in the building to close out the week. Mass Appeal is releasing 7 new albums featuring hip-hop legends such as Nas, Mobb Deep, and De La Soul (20:07). Rory and Mal speculate theories behind Nas' beat selection (44:16). Mecca lets us in on what's really going down with Math Hoffa and "Our Expert Opinion" (59:36). Plus, hairdressers are the new scammers (1:39:50), an ethics debate on your childhood friend checking in with girls you've been with (1:49:15), and why backpackers are running the podcast game (2:05:00) #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right. Well, we are back and we are joined by a friend of the show, journalists, writer, podcaster, rapper, manager, every single hat you can think of in the industry. This gentleman has worn. He's also just an incredible human being and has been a friend of mine for, I don't know, 15 years at this point. I think we're around in 18, actually.

Something like that. Something stupid. We are joined by Memphis. Mack, what's up, man? What's happening, fellas? That's our live studio audience. Oh, wow. Oh, shit.

Yeah, you didn't see all 17 of them, right? Yeah. 17 people back. Hello, people. Hello, thank you. That's what they don't see. Thank you so much. What is your elevator pitch?

Like, how do you, because you've done so much. Like, what do you say? I do what I want. I like it. I do what I want. Yeah. What do you do for a living? What I want?

Hold on, hold on. The whole mic came off. Include not breaking shit. That's what I do. Okay, and we're back. I take back that entire intro because Met came in here. He's not the professional I thought he was.

He took the label off the water, so I was like, finally, we're dealing with a professional here. But never mind, he broke the microphone, so I take back everything that I said. Erase his entire career just based off that microphone. Right.

Before we get into that, though, a new episode of Don't Know Balls is available now with our guy, Zach Randolph. Yeah, it was great. Shout out to Zibo for kicking it with us for a few legendary, legendary, very powerful, 17-year NBA vet and a great businessman.

And just one of the most solid dudes that probably have ever made it through the NBA. So shout out to Zbo for kicking with us. I didn't even know before we did the research that he discovered Money Bagel, like I had no idea that he was behind. Yeah, that's one of those wild stories. It comes out of the blue you wouldn't expect it. It would be him. Who's the guy that found Meg?

Why am I blanking? Q-tip. Besides Q-Tip. Yeah, Crawl. Yeah, right. Oh, the baseball player. Because usually athletes fuck up labels, like pretty quickly. Those two are the only ones that have really been successful, right?

There's probably some more sprinkled in there quietly. Can you call what happened with Mega Success? Yeah. Megastalian? Yeah. I mean, like, they're... All their time together? Oh, I mean, it was bad business, but usually when athletes dump all their money into a rapper,

they usually go absolutely nowhere. So it was bad business, but that's not an athlete thing. That's a music thing. True. True. True. That's why I gave it the credit to Q-Tip. Yeah. Which is also the wildest thing. That was the story for me. Knowing Q-Tip had a hand in, like, Meg the Stallion,

and then you hear about all the other careers he's helped launch, and all of a sudden Meg doesn't seem so far-fetched. He saw Iggy Azelian was like, no more. That was going towards the good stuff. Remember when Q-Tip started a Twitter just to give her a dissertation on hip-hop? And he's defenced. She's like, why are you telling me this? That's hilarious. That was over. Damn, how long ago was that?

Many moons. Right? At least what, 10 now, almost? When's the last time you heard an Iggy song? Probably 2013? 2014. Something like that. Q-Tip wasn't wrong. He was predicting the future. We should have paid attention to what he was saying on Twitter. He should have added all of us, not just Iggy. I thought it was coming from a place of like really wanting to help. I didn't see a lot of malicious talk.

Yeah, but you know how it is, Mac. You can't, even when you're trying to help an artist or somebody that's trying to do something, And once it's publicly, like once you make it public, that conversation is public, and you say something that the artist may or may not like, it's going to be deemed and turned it to something negative and all he's trying to play or this, you know, they're trying to disrespect you. You know how it is. It's never taking this constructive criticism. You can't leave it there.

I understand that that's how it is. Yeah, like once it's public. Now, if we had a conversation privately and then I went to the timeline and said, you know, some of the things we spoke about, that's different. But if I'm addressing you for the first time cold addressed publicly, there's never any good that's going to come from that. Okay. But now the other side of that coin is I don't say something. And I'm the OG.

And this person's career derails and goes head on into a ditch. And then it's the OGs don't help. The OGs don't say nothing. And then even when you say something behind the scenes and they take the information and go a completely different way with it, then they run it off into the ditch. Right. It's, well, nobody was helping me. Nobody X, Y, Z. you make it public because the career is happening in the public.

And I want everybody to see me trying to actively help you. I don't want it to be something that stays behind the scenes because the career is not happening behind the scenes. Career is happening. I'm a public figure. You're a public figure. Okay, here's my public advice to you publicly for all the shit you keep doing in public. The backfire is the part that I don't like because then it's like, well, the OGs don't

help the young cats. But when we say something, we're trying to play you. But that's what I'm saying it has to be a private conversation as well. I think we need to change that narrative. Why? If you're really trying to help me, like, you know, don't just help me on a timeline. If Iggy is publicly speaking like Crocodile Dundee and then getting on a record publicly rapping like what she thinks a black girl sounds like, I think Qtip can publicly say shut the fuck up. No, no, he can. I'm just saying like if you really trying to help. Oh, I don't think he was person or the artist. I don't think he was trying to help. I think he was trying to make a point of where things have gone.

I thought he was trying to help. But you got to have thick of skin. I think he was trying to drain the swamp. Let's say. Yeah. Two things could be true at the same time. I think he was trying to drink. Like that was a,

he casted a wide net. All of you that's in this game that's just trying to get a check and trying to just capitalize off this culture. Stop. Can we reactivate his Twitter now to at Tommy Richmond? Is that doable? What's wrong with Tommy, man?

Tommy didn't want you out of box him. He was talking to me when he said that. Don't box him in. He's not just. a rapper. Listen, he's not just hip-hop. The CIA link with the FBI.

Sexy Red Tommy Richmond. Listen, you guys said he was hip-hop, and then he said he wasn't. And now he's hip-hop again. No, I know. He said he's not just hip-hop. See, we got to make sure. He said, don't box me in,

but let me submit for a Grammy in the hip-hop category. Yeah, absolutely. Naturally, yes. I got a better chance of winning in that category, yes. DeMeres, you defended Sexy Red and Bruno up and down.

Okay. Allegedly. We can all, now that the dust is settled, we can all agree that song stinks, right? I told you it stink. Okay. Which one is this? I don't know the name of it. Brun on sexy?

Yeah. Oh yeah. Fat, juicy, and wet. That one. Oh, my. That song was terrible. She did the movement with it. Yeah, that song was nasty.

And they owe Nipsy's family royalties off that shit. But last time that I checked? It's just a bite of that. And then they threw Brno Mars on it. Okay. Fat, juicy and wet. or last time that I checked it was fat juicy and wet. I don't think the last time that I checked is what I'm saying.

Or YG or any of them are trying to take us with that. That's definitely not what it's not really what. Now Bruno should have checked in is what he should have done. What's happening here? Welcome. What is happening? Listen, man, I don't dislike Tommy Richmond. I thought his remarks were sometimes we would just shut the fuck up and like think about what they're saying.

This is another ploy. You guys called me crazy. for saying that they're just using sexy red as the fill-in ghetto girl. Is she the token black girl? Yeah, the way they tried to do with party that's now doing it with her. And Tommy Richmond coming off that, like,

this is so label put together, it's kind of disgusting. And the song's probably going to be great. I think it'll be far better than the Bruno one, but it still looks nasty as fuck. That's, I don't know about it. Well, we'll see. I don't like to... Tommy don't miss.

I loved his project, but... it's very post-malonish. Saying Tommy Don't Miss is just hilarious. Like, we acting like Tommy Richmond is like this legendary, like, not saying he's not, you know, a good artist, but saying he don't, like, we know the people that don't miss. When I don't know if Tommy is in that, it's in that conversation.

You're not on the Don't Miss Mount Rushmore. The disclaim is coming. The disclaimer is coming. When I say don't miss, it means that Tommy, Tommy, Jackson doesn't miss. Like, Jerry doesn't miss. Tommy makes music that is. hard not to like he's not taking a huge risk.

Yes, it's palatable and easy on the ears. Yeah, I get it. It's not going to be the greatest thing in the world, but it's not going to be bad. That's different from not missing. But that's not, it's not missing. So Tommy Richmond is like New York pizza. It's going to be hard to find terrible pizza, but, you know. And even when you do it still pizza.

And then there's dollar's life. Yeah, exactly. Pizza is still pizza. We know what's better. In New York City, you have to like actively try to find bad pizza. So you're saying Tommy and sexy red are two bros. No, that's not, that's not, it's not what I'm saying. I'm actually not.

No, that's not, that bad. No, that's not what I'm saying. What, two roads, affordable? Yes, quite. When you're going to find, like, yeah. It's everywhere. Two bros is good, though. It's not bad.

For dollar slice, it's not bad at all. Two bro, we're not, listen, we're not even going down this whole. Two bros is terrible. Wait a minute, hold on. That's terrible. A dollar slice? That's terrible. They brought the dollar slice back.

That's like saying weed is good because it's five dollars. I don't want to hear that. That's bad weed. You are literally getting what you're going to paid for. Yeah. Literally. You're literally getting what you paid for.

That don't mean it's good. But it's still pizza. It's not bad. It's not bad. Just say it's a dollar. But don't say it's good. Say it's cheap. Well, they got rid of the dollar slice.

Two bros came around in what, like 2010 or some shit. Yeah. Yeah. They brought that shit back. In 2010, I needed a dollar slice. Yeah. Two bro saved my fucking life. He was next door to L.I.

I ate that shit for dinner every day. I mean, for a dollar, you can't really be in there. Oh, what is this? Like, you can't. Well, you can't. Right. It's a dollar. the term, this don't miss.

I'm not going to say two bros don't miss it. They don't miss, though. Man, they miss plenty of night. For a dollar. Two more sauce, not enough cheese. Get out of here with that bump slice, man. That's a terrible slice of two bros. And it's a factor.

You just have to wait in line until you see the pie. A fresh pie coming. Yeah. Cool. That you're really getting like. With the mango madness? Come on now. Oh, wow.

Mango madness is far. Yeah. The marriage used to be a chicken head. You see how fast you went to mango madness snapple? Like, yo, Mango Maddenance Snapple and a slice. Chicken hair. And she daily put 99 banana in it. That's broke college student shit.

That's not, no, for sure. Smell the pink oil moisturizer. It's all over that. Coming down the hallway. Right there. I know you old.

I'm talking about pink lotion. Oh, sweethe. Oh, sweet. I have grown sisters. I lived in the house with all kinds of everything. I've seen it all.

Yeah, bro. Pink oil, straightening combs in the kitchen. Yeah, yeah. Like all burnt necks. I know the smell of all these weird things walking around the house. That's part of the smell

grown up in the black house. It's just right there for you. Who earlobe is burnt? I smell it. I'm all used to blame it on his sister when he was cooking something else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't talk about that, though.

You see how he always started to expose you. She's like burnt hair in here. We took my Tommy. Don't talk about me. Oh, yeah. She was flat on her hair. No, after Tommy. Why do these pots and pans look like this?

We had to do, man. These spoons are fucked up. Making grit. Mashed potatoes everywhere. Were you on cooking crack, though? like, because a lot of people are doing here today. What is happening right today? now. Like, what are you asking me?

No, like, did you really had a risk, though? I've never done that. I've never done those things. Hypothetically. No, but like for fun. Oh, hypothetically, yeah. Like the way people lie and wraps. Like, we do that with rap. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I know how to, yeah, yeah, yeah, we can break that down. And that's gonna lock up, it's gonna come right? When I met you, you worked at the hospital, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You had out of town a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, just healthcare on the East Coast. Yeah, yeah, that's gotta count for something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Tommy, yeah, I didn't hear this song. Wait, it was just a snippet. Yeah, it was just snippet. I didn't hear of a snippet. I don't, you know, I'm not clicking on the Tommy Richmond snippet. But, you know, y'all said he don't miss. Let's see if he don't miss. I get the formula. Do you think we'll ever get a sexy red album or she's just going to be the personality, insert verse?

Sexy Red has already released that album. I know. I'm saying again. We may be down to only maybe really seeing consistent albums from maybe 12 artists. We need to just have that. In the mainstream, yeah, you're not wrong. I think a lot of people are just singles, you know, put something on maybe a soundtrack or something, if that's even the thing anymore. But as far as like these artists really putting out albums and labels getting behind every artist to get an album done, those days are, we're further away from those days than we are closer to those days. It almost feels like it's more trouble than its words.

Oh, yeah. To put the full body together when you see somebody have this massive success from a single. Yeah. And here you are putting all this time in it. but I still think bodies of work from OG artists are still very much needed. Their consumer wants to hear that and that's how they consume music is body aware.

But these new artists, especially if you sign to a major, if I look what a single does with no overhead and just a digital budget, why the fuck would I have a whole recording budget for an album? Then I got you. But first of all, the songs, the songs, we were talking yesterday, the songs now are even being constructed for, you know,

It's social media, just to have that one 20 seconds of a song that's like they love that part. They love that part of the record. You may not ever hear the other parts of the record, but that part, we saw the artist that was mad at his show a couple years ago. Why was his name leaving me right now? Steve Lacey. Oh, Steve Lacey. He was mad that. You know, he got to play the air guitar.

When everybody got mad, when he got mad that everybody was coming. How's the song go again? You know? Play this to this hand, too, though. That's important. Everybody just does this. This is nothing. You got to do this too.

But yeah, when they were coming to his show just for that song Because that was the song that was big on TikTok And that was the song that everybody loved And as a true artist that Stephen Lacey is He's like, yo, like you know how much other shit That's like asking Prince, well, not to compare him to Prince, But if everybody just wants to hear Purple Rain. Right.

Prince is like, y'all know how much other dope shit I got? Like, why y'all just? So again, music is being made for just that quick consumer 20 seconds. I like that 20 seconds. I could post my picture, my carousel on social media with my, you know, my vacation just to that 20 seconds. So why would that, why would a label want an entire album from artists? That's not proven to be a true artist. I think, well, number one, if they haven't, if they're not proven to be a true artist, you probably shouldn't assign them.

No, but not. If you're not, if you're not using logic. Yeah, like if they have a successful song. Pardon me for making sense. Yeah, if they're having, if this artist is, you know, clickable, every time, you know, traction, impressions, things. like that. They pay attention to analytics. Anytime you attach this person's name to something, everybody clicks on it. They visit it. They make money like that. Now with the music, it's like, I don't need this person to be Beyonce. I don't need them to be a true artist like an usher or

any of these other people. I just need them to be, you know, sexy. I need them to, you know, their name to be clickable. I need them to have some personality. That's it. And you set up an industry where we lose 40% of sales. You need to chop down the staff massively. Exactly. Uh, shit turns into McDonald's, all fast food, the cultural aspect starts to wane and, and, uh, you train the fans to literally turn something off after a few minutes. And you can't maintain a fan base that way. Like, again, you'll get people who show up to the concert, want to hear to 20 seconds, and then leave and get bored. Like, you, you, you, you're, long term, big picture, you are arranging a business. You're, you're setting up this industry to fail in that regard.

the new fans only know what you show them. We all have our experiences where music was the backdrop of whatever it was. Certain songs fit certain moods. If every song is coming from a new artist and no artist has a collection that makes you sit down and go, damn, this album was the one that was behind me when this thing was happening. I know a lot of people who reasonable doubt and the blueprint go back and forth because at that time in their lives, these were the albums that spoke. to them there if you only have a song. I think it's up to, I think it's, I say all that to say, I think it's up to the executives and the people who are making these decisions to think about the overall health of the

business. And I don't think this practice is healthy. But is that a music problem or just a world problem? And music is a result of that. Because even if the music business had good intentions and wanted to train the new consumers to love bodies of work and real musicians, you're trying to teach a brain that can't be taught that because the environment they're in now is microwave as is. Like, they can't be purists in one thing and also get raised on TikTok for 15 seconds.

Like, their brain can't even be trained that way because they grew up in a time that's just like. I get that. But you don't, you don't stay a kid. You know what I mean? Nobody stays a kid. When I was a kid, I did kid things. When I grew up, all of a sudden I had appreciation for all this other fly shit that was around me. And I would think just as a businessman, the long term goal instead of the short, quick flip would be.

a smarter thing to look at, the overall health of the business. I just don't think this is overall healthy. Well, I mean, the labels got into the tech business. They're not really in the music business anymore. Like they own 25% of spotter. They are in the tech world where music is just something to keep them on this tech platform that they already own. So these execs are not viewing it from a music standpoint. You know, you don't have the herbs anymore. You know, the dames. Like, these people are in that office looking at analytics and tech. That's about it. They're not really here for music to begin with.

Hence the problem. Like even with that whole TikTok shit back and forth, the Universal, you looked at Universal's overall goal was, what, 1% of Universal's business was UMG? That's crazy. Yeah.

UMG, which is a billion-dollar company, is 1% of Universal's overall goal. They don't give a fuck. That's the problem. Yeah. But I don't want to complain because I think there's a balance. Like what Mass Appeal just announced, seven new albums,

Naz and DJ Premier, Ghostface, Bigel, Mobb, Raquan, De La Soe, like, there is still a balance. We can't be the old people that just complain about that because there is, if you go and search for it

in the streaming era, that is one of the positive things about it. You don't have to deal with what the machine is putting out. You can go search for your own music. Yeah, but their own playlist, your own shit. The thing about this is,

you're talking about, we don't have to be the old, these are old artists. I know, but I'm saying there's still, there's still a balance. I want to hear, I'm 34. I want to hear from all of these people. Yeah, but you're a different 34.

Yeah, that's a fact. You're a different, that's a fact. You're, you're into a different, a different part of the culture and the industry, the artistry, the music. Your intersection is different than the average 34-year-old. Number one, number two, where are, where's the room for the people that this group inspired? Like, where are the kids who are inspired by Ghostface or the rappers who are inspired by Nas? Where's the room for the Simba's and the, you know, what's the boy out of Houston? Marcus Clay, like, I'd like to see space for them

because it's not really even an age thing. At this point, for me, it's a class thing. I mean, Jid's about to put out an album. Would you not say he's inspired by these six, seven artists? I'd like more. I'd like more. That's all I'm saying. And again, the overall health of the business,

if money is your goal, the big play would seem to be the one to make. As opposed to the short-term quick flip trying to regurgitate the exact same thing over and over again. The rapper Mike just brought an incredible album that I could tell was definitely influenced by Doom, Ghost, all of them. Like, it's there. No, it's not in your Facebook since when was that ever in our face?

Like, let's not act like in the 90s, early 2000s, like real hip hop just fell from the fucking heavens and that's what was played or the radio all the time. That was on MTV. Like, even the stuff we love, you still had to search for. Like, yes. In the 90s? ghost face single that would make it, but like, you still, it was still technically underground. Wait, in the 90s?

I mean, Wutang would have singles, obviously, but. Okay. That's a lot of members. That's a lot of people right there. You don't think there was quote-unquote mainstream bullshit being played in the late 90s, early 2000 on the radio constantly that hip-hop purists complained about all the time. Bullshit on the radio? Yeah.

It was hard to hear bullshit on the radio. Okay. Yeah. We might be mixing up errors. Yeah. In the 90s, it was hard to hear both. Early 2000s, I loved Nelly, but all the older people on my block, older friends, cousins, whatever would be all shit is trash, man.

Why are you listening? What block was this? They would just call it some queens. They would just call it shit old mainstream bullshit. Like, they wanted to hear the purest shit. And I'm like, though, this is great. Yeah, I mean, but, you know, there's also taste. Everybody has different tastes.

You can't, Nelly had bars if you, if you focused on them. He had some rhymes that actually, oh, shit, that's kind of cool. The young kids will say the same thing to y'all about their artists. They can't tell me none of these niggas got bogged. Because, well, I wouldn't say none. I think it's less than it used to be, but a lot of people will complain about some of the subject matter. But that's what's hot on the radio right now. What's on people's albums is different.

People will talk about different things on their albums, the stuff that y'all might not hear. But the singles, yeah, they are going to go with them. When Snap music took over. That was a nasty time. We was going through something. That was a nasty time. The snap era, that was just a weird. I was depressed.

No, they not. That was just a weird time for rap. I'm saying, I'm not mad at the music and having fun because I'm from the era of kid and play and Kwaime. Like, they was having fun and dancing and shit like that. So I understand that part of it, like the snap shit. But they was also, it was also just a certain level of rhyming that kid and play was doing. Yeah, like you could have fun, but you still had to be rhyming, though. Dayla Sole was fun.

Yeah, for sure. But they was rhyming. They was rapping. rapping was a prerequisite. There was a floor. And I think a lot of times we forget that big pun had records in the club. Right. Public enemy had records in the club.

EPMD, headbanger went off in the club. Like crossover played in the club, depending on what club you went to. Rock him played in the club. Thank you. But everybody had different taste. You know, if you didn't, I'm a hip hop head, right? I'm not necessarily a rap fan. I'm a hip hop head.

I listen to the hip hop. Okay, I was about to say, explain the difference in there are plenty of people. There are plenty of people who like rap music, right? And for them, it could sound like whatever rap sounds like to them. I'm a hip hop head. I like graffiti, like breakdancing.

I appreciate DJing. And I listen to emcees who really have something to say. When I'm talking to the youth, I even hate using that expression. But when I'm talking to kids who are just coming, coming off the porch. I've heard shit like these niggas got too many words. I'm sorry, what? Well, that's because the kids these days are too much high fructose corn syrup. The attention to detail is very short.

You know what I mean? Like they don't, they don't, they want to feel more than they. They microwave babies. They want it right now. Yeah, they want to feel more than they want anything else. Like it's all about the vibe. It doesn't even have to, what he's saying is relevant, which is why I think communication is such a lost art.

You think losing cursive is bad, wait till they can't actually speak to you. Yeah. No, that we're already there. Yeah, maybe. Again, I just think there was already a form of that even when Puff came around and, like, people were shitting on a lot of the stuff

that Puff was doing from the purest perspective. This has happened in every era of hip-hop, so as much as I hate this generation, and I'll be the first one to not tiptoe around and be like, no, it's something for me. Everyone sucks now. Yeah, but I'm with it. that, but it's always been an era where people thought the bullshit was on top and mainstream

and in our faces before the good shit was. Yeah, but you're missing the point of now they're pushing more of the bullshit because there's more of the bullshit to push in here because you can literally upload your bum-ass project the same day Beyonce puts her album out on the same digital platform. Okay, but which one is getting playlisted, which one's going to be on the main page, which one is going to get dollars on it? You have 12 seconds that are good in your bullshit-ass album, 12 seconds of a song that's gonna end up on everybody's fucking pain The right hashtag will have you neck and neck

with her for a little second. Yeah, it's like, yo, what do we? Okay, but is that not just another version of the one hit wonder? Like, no disrespect to like Mims because I love this is why I'm hot. But is that not the same version? Did they not push that record crazy?

Not saying it's a one hit wonder. I'm not saying they didn't. Yeah, but it's different isn't being one hit wonder. And with some of these, some of these dudes are a 12 second wonder. Yeah, 26th one. That's because our attention span.

attention span is shrunk to the point where the one hit wonder is now the 12 second wonder. And again, it's not good for the overall health of the industry. That's the only point. That's the only one I- That especially, like, without getting scientific, that for sure. But as someone who exists in this business, fellas, whoever's in control of this, whoever's in charge, fellas, this is not a good idea. Like to keep going in this direction, the people who are pushing the button,

on this. This is not a good. We can't sustain this model. It won't last. This is not a good idea. And the crash will be epic. What is a career right now? It's subjective. It's being a personality. And then you also make music. Totally subjective. Totally subjective. When I sit down with a, if I'm ever sitting down with an artist, I have a client, my first question is, all right, what, what are you looking for? What do you want this to be? Pitt, show me what success looks like to you. And the answers, as I've gone on, have gotten weird. Wide and weird. Like, I've heard everything from, I want to use this to launch my clothing label.

I want to use this to get into movies. I just want some commercials to, I want a tour. I don't really want to put albums out. I just want to be on tour. I'm not really looking to, you know, be albums. Or, yo, I'm trying to do like, you know, I'm trying to get that Drake run going. I'm trying to, you know, 10 years, a bunch of different albums. I want Grammys.

I want plaques. But the list is like, why. Some people just want to be known on their block. Like, you ask me what a career is. They don't know because they rarely see one. Like you said, it's right in the pocket of what you're saying. The examples are not really there to show you why. It depends on where you're looking.

Because if I'm looking at a drill rapper and he's his age, he's famous in our school. and my world revolves around this one neighborhood and this one school, this kid is like the hero. And it doesn't matter that he won't be here next year. It doesn't matter that he's got like maybe one or two of these songs in him

and then people get bored and move on to the very next one if he even gets that second one off. He could be gone by the second one. Again, the health of the business. Like trying to sustain that shit. And I'm just thinking about the overall. The music industry has done

plenty of good for plenty of people. people, as foul as it is, but it's no fowler than any other business, no foul of any other industry. We talk about this one because it's the one we're in. We talk about it, like sometimes we talk about it like it's a unicorn. Like if you go into textile manufacturing, they don't have the exact same kind of fuck shit happening over there. It's everywhere. This is the one I care about because this is the one I'm involved in.

And fellas, the overall health of what you're doing is not you can't sustain this. And the crash looks crazy to me. Almost, we, CDs are not really a thing anymore. You're going to buy a bunch of flash drives and push your music on the street that way. Like, going back to the trunk is almost non-existent. We've almost made it so you can't, the laptops don't play CDs. They only play flash drives. Flash drives cost a little bit too much money.

And I have to get an adapter to put the flash driver. With certain. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? The technology is boxed you out of being able to do it hand-to-hand. So where do you go when the apps completely lock up or social media completely decides to shut that door? Yeah. I'm thinking about the health of the artist.

The new hand-to-hand is spamming IG comments. Gross. Gross. Is it not? No, that is true. Yeah. It's going on to a blog page and saying, yo, am I trash or fire? Click here to find out.

And that's the new master P out the Trump. Marketing. Yeah. That's the marketing. I want to pivot back to the master pill seven, seven album thing. Who do we think is going to be the surprise return? Rock him, cool G rap, Big Daddy Kane, like I can see. Big Daddy Kane would be crazy.

What do we think this big album is going to sound like? And who's producing on it? Hello? No, Big O. A Big O? Would be Lord Finesse? If it's not a, if digging in the crate ain't involved, I don't know if I, you know, you want it? I don't want to hear rehashed.

I hope they got. fresh verses. Number one, I hope they got fresh verses. Number two, Lord Finesse showbiz and AG definitely need to be represented and then I want to know who the executive producer is.

Who's in charge of the soundbed? I don't know who's directing it. I would love a... I mean, Nas? Yeah, okay. Or premiere was the executive producer of big picture which was post-death. And to me doesn't sound like a post-death album at all. I'm quiet. That's just a fucking classic album.

If it's Primo, I'm quiet. Oh, what if it's most deaf? What if the surprise artist is most deaf? Okay. That makes sense. But they already announced the most in Alchemist's album. Oh. Yeah.

I missed that. And most is not putting his shit on any streaming. He's made that clear, which I appreciate it. True. But even with that said, like, I would love now that Cam and Mace are back, like, children of the corn reunion, all that. It should just be Harlem shit on that big L. That would be fire.

that we've been deprived of. Children of the corn. Y'all swinging for the fences now. Why? I'm not mad at the attempt. Cam sounds like he's in shape when he does those freestyle. Oh, no, for sure. No, Cam is definitely.

And Mace is Mace. And Mace is underrated. One of the most underrated artists, I think we have. But I think we would have, I don't think those gentlemen would have kept that underwrax. You think they would be right here with us like, you know, like. You think Mace is underrated? Absolutely. As a rap, not as, like, he gets his just due for the singles, Harlem,

all that, but like, as a rapper, rapper, I don't think he was out. Mace is under, Mace was a superstar, bro. You know what? Mace has singles with Mariah Carey. Let me, let me do this. I think he is rated fairly in the circles I'm in. Okay, okay. Those are specific.

That's like, I've never heard any. I'm talking about overall. Yeah, but I, okay, all right, all right, all right. Super under Mace doesn't get talked about enough. He kept the lights on that bad. boy that's you preachin to the quiet you know I know because you're from that too but I'm just saying like people don't know and they don't recognize that that's that's hard for me to because of the circles your head to grasp yeah yeah I guess I'm in the casual when we just

start talking to people and come in and passing I don't talk to casuals for yeah I just said the other day I don't want to talk I just said the other day I don't want to talk to nobody that didn't use a landline like if you didn't use a landline I don't I'm not debating what you know you can label it whatever you want to lead this backpack a snob whatever it is I don't talk to casual I just saw Jay Juan Tweet, I don't talk to people under 26 about music. I was like, that was very liberal of me. Under 26. You're a really nice person for 26. To cut it off. What kind of conversation about rap would I have with a 26 yo? Well, I've had conversations with you when you were 26 about rap. But again, you're different. But like, Roy didn't know how to take that. He's like,

I felt offended. But we've already established. Rory's just, you know, I can just see the confusion. I'm saying some bullshit, but it comes from a good place. No, no, but you actually, you, you've listened to to enough and, you know, I've studied a. enough of the things that have happened to be able to speak on it. But now today, I don't even know a 26-year-old that I would want to talk about hip-hop with. That isn't like maybe, you know, from that tree of their parents are into the industry and things like that. If it's just a casual 26-year-old, I'm scared to even hear what they might say. Well, a casual fan at any age is a casual fan.

Yeah, but a casual fan in 98 versus a casual fan in 2025. He's still a casual fan. He's still telling you he can only name the songs that was on the radio. He's still a casual. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim?

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That's why I stop myself. Those are the great debate. It used to be a casual fan. We'll just be like, yeah, whatever. Like, I like this. I like that. Oh, yeah. No, now the main people that want to argue are people that are misinformed.

Why do you think I have that look on my face when I say, I don't throw it. Bro, I'm not like that. You know me. You've known me forever. I'm not like that. I talk to everybody about everything. But lately, the conversations, these guys are so, like wrong and strong is a real thing. And it's like the gospel.

Yo, he's the goat. Bro, just say he's your favorite. Yeah, just say he's your goat. Just say he's your favorite. Just you like him better than everybody. else. That's cool. Now he's the goat. All right.

What, by what metric? What standard? I don't know what you mean. Ah, damn it. I'm instantly pissed. Yeah. How are you measuring? Tell me what, what is we judging by it?

Like, is it, are we talking sales? Are we talking Grammys? We're talking shows. We're talking influence. We talk in bars. We're talking features. Like, give me the criteria. Who is the goat in your opinion?

Oh, shit. Again, all those questions have to come in a, have to come into play. There are a lot of people who... But I'm saying you. If somebody asks you, your meck, who is your goat? That we all have in our mind,

who is our greatest. I just have my favorite. Like, the greatest is all accolades for me. So who's got, who's put up the most accolades? Yeah, who's your greatest? And your, yeah. It's hard to make it pass home.

Okay. Like, and that seems like such a cliche answer, but when you talk about all the boxes that need to be checked, it's not cliche. Cultural influence, Bars, awards, plaques, features, test the time. Influence is huge.

Influence is a huge. The man put industries out of business. Yeah. Start wearing jerseys because he said so. He didn't buy X5 because he said so. You put on an oversized button up shirt because he said so. He didn't kill Autotune or Tim's though. Eh.

It took a hit. Eh. They took a hit. Who took a hit? Tim's definitely took a hit. Let's go through 2009. I want to see the years, the numbers? I want to see.

I want to see Zimmerlain's tax returns. Yeah, they took a hit. I promise you when him and Drake said, we off that, nobody was off that. All of us kept our tips off. They were off it for like a quarter. All of us kept our teams off. It was maybe like four or five months.

They took a dip. And then it got right back to it. It got cold again. They said that in the summer. They said that in the summer. I don't do that. Because I'll wear 40 belows and jean shorts. Oh.

Wow. I wear 40 below's 80. That's that actual school shooter Couture he was on. That school shooter coutes. All those two just got better. Wait, wait, wait. School shooter couture.

Yeah, that's the school shooter. 40 belows and jeans shorts? Yeah. Yeah, he about to go shoot some shit up, man. I'm channeling Collinbine and Prodigitjage. All you need is a leather jacket. And you're channeling Remy from Higher Learning as well. I did that with a hair coat already.

So it was, yeah. That's exactly what he just happened. Yeah. Loud and clear. Yeah. And yeah, Autotune just got better. But Hove's killed a lot of stuff. That was the two things that we quietly, as Hove stands, don't bring up.

Yeah. That just was not killed whatsoever. But, I mean, it's Hove and then everyone else. And we, even then we're talking three for five. Like, three out of five is still a pretty good average. No, I'm just out of what we named just now. It's three for five. I mean, I always go back to, you know, just seeing, you know, having a lot of dope artists in one room

and seeing it firsthand and then seeing when Jay walks in that room. Like, you can just see the difference in the respect level from artists that are huge and have accomplished a lot. But when it's Jay that walks in the room, it's just a certain level of. And then from the guys that I think are goes like Rakkimp, when I see the way Raq Kim embraces Jay and things like that, when you see those guys, the way they put their arms around him, I think that is clear that he is the one that they look at. I've been in rooms with Buster.

A&R for him. I've watched other stars get starstruck around him. Trevor Noah walk up, singing his verse, Clifton Powell from across the room, starts screaming out past the Cavazier. You know, he may have had a couple, but I'm bullshit. But, you know, singing the song, like, I've seen that. I also saw what a compliment from Jay meant to bus, right?

I see one guy who influences a bunch of people. I see another guy who influenced a bunch of people, but a lot of people didn't try to be like Buster. right right busters on that one-on-one shit yeah because they couldn't you would have looked corny trying yeah he's got children yeah he's got children I see his influence but a lot of people didn't try to be like but I saw a lot of motherfuckers try to be like Jay yeah and tons to the voice what was homeboy's name Sakaria there was it was a Sakario who wrapped with uh Angie Martinez yeah to the voice like people he was all right though

no he was fire yeah yeah if jay didn't exist yeah yeah you know what I'm saying like If we didn't have that guy to go to, he may have seen more success, yeah. You know Chris felt the same way? Yeah. He loved going to that. That's not something that I didn't come up with that. No, but you love going to it.

I didn't say you come up with that. I don't actually think. I said you love going to. It's that way whatsoever. No, you do. I really don't. You bring that up way too much. Because that's a whole,

the same way the stereotype is Nas picks bad beats, I think that's a stupid stereotype that hip hop is just taking on. I don't know if you were saying Tupacobok and not there's stupid. But he wrapped on a lot of bad beats though. Yeah. He's had a 30-year career. gonna fucking happen and he put out a house once a year he'll say that he also he also okay he also take your time this is weird no it's weird to say i interviewed him and i asked him about that

about the beat selection yeah actually actually he's one of my cover stories one of my proudest moment this was uh the source yeah yeah many moons ago sitting in the uh the spotted pig his restaurant we were like upstairs where no one was me him and gabe from death jam shout to gabe yeah for real insane human thing. I asked him why he did that. Why did you pick bad beats? Yeah. Like, I don't, I don't remember the exact way I phrased it. I commend you for that by the way. I had to. I had to. I'm in a room. I can't be, I can't be biased. And I'm from Queens. You know, this is like the guy. If I don't ask this question. You're not asking any question. You don't ask that one.

Everybody else is at the office. I go, what the fuck did you do? I'll never get another story again in my life. I'll never get a feature again in my life. So I asked him. And, and, you're And his answer surprised me. Two questions I asked him that his answer surprised me. One I asked him like why he got married. At the time he was married to Cali. He said, all my heroes have been married men. Everybody I've ever looked up to have been married men.

Besides the fact that I think my wife was made for me, all my heroes in life had been married men. Respect. I was like, okay. He started like rattling on Malcolm X, blah, blah, blah, blah. All man. Okay. Got it. The beats thing.

I was like, you know, the story is you pick bad beats. What's up with that? And he goes, I want people to pay more attention to what I'm saying than what the beat sounds like. You can't ever think that I don't get offered or every beat under the sun, every producer under the sun. For sure. And I kind of gave him like a little side eye. And he said, think about it. I always give you one.

I know what you want. Every album, I give you at least one or two. I make it a point to do that. but I don't want the beat he basically said I don't want the beat to be more important than what I'm saying

so I'm not picking like the super hillist beats but I do that when it's time to and he starts rattling off his albums and he's naming the tracks on those albums where the beat is crazy and he's going crazy

he was like but I'm not gonna do that like every time whether you believe him or not whether you believe him or not is irrelevant yeah I mean I'm not I'm not mad at that because, again, I never thought that Nas' beats were, you know, and every, like, every track on every album was terrible.

But there was some joints like, to me, you know, the battle with him and Jay. To this day, I think Ether is one of the worst beats. I want to disagree with you there. Ever. But the fact that he's on there going at Jay gets overlooked. It's what he's saying. If you go to YouTube now and just type in Ether Instrumental without Nas on it, you would be like, what the fuck did this guy even here in that studio?

How did this even make it on to adapt? Yeah, sound like it's not finished. No disrespect to Brown. Not. He did like, Ron, we fucking brown. He did he, like, he has classics. That's just an awful. That and beat for, in that moment is like, why did you, how did you land on that?

Look fits right into the answer that he gave. Yeah. And it was effective. For sure. After he said that, his whole career just kind of like shifted over a little bit. His whole discography, you look at it way different. And you look at the songs where he's really saying some shit and those beats are kind of not the greatest

that he could have found. But his whole thing to me was, do you really think I don't get those beats first? You think they don't send those to me? Yeah, but all these producers are sending me that shit? I definitely think he does. But I love nah, as one of my hip hop heroes, but he's absolutely insane for passing on some of the shit

that I know he's heard. And then be like, nah, but you know what I'm saying? I really want to get off on this one. Okay, but because what I'm saying is, is going overshine the beat. Did you think the hate me now beat was fire? It wasn't terrible. That's a great beat.

Yeah, it wasn't terrible. But Nas got killed for doing that. He can't win for losing. If he went, even I'm on the side of you owe me as fire, but Nas got killed for that. Anytime he's went the route of the beats that people want him to do, he gets killed for it. Yeah, but I think he got killed more for you owe me because you owe me is incredible. The hook and then genuine. It was just too much.

It felt too industry. Too shiny. Two record. Two record. And it's just like, there's like five entendras in that hook. Like y'all made this and said like, oh, we got radio with this. Like, and I hate my rappers do that. But that's not fair because Jay did that a lot too.

And he don't get killed for it. Every rapper does that. Jay got killed for what? Well, I was young. Yeah, Jay got killed for a lot of joints he got. Oh, I mean, most of volume one he got killed for. Yeah, Sunshine. He had this, this shiny.

By the way, I'm fine with it. Yeah, great good record. Good record. I love the record, but he got killed for that. Yeah. Every rapper has to have, especially then, and you have to have that moment where it's like, okay, I'm in the music business now. I have to kind of like adhere to what the labels are saying they want and they need.

His answer for doing, his answer for, oh me when I asked them was I wanted to show them that I can do what they do while they can't do what I do. I wanted to go in their world and show them I can do this whenever I feel like it. And you can't come in my world and do what I do. but your shit is so easy and this is so candy I can go over here whenever I want walking your world, wipe my feet on your carpet and then walk right back out

and you can't follow me and go do the stuff I do. Again, his, the interview put a lot of things in perspective for me. And I mean, even with that, let's go with Naz's Prime. 94 to 2002. Illmatic, it was written, I am Nostradamus, still mad at Godson. Yes, you can say Nostradamus wasn't the one

even though I think, comparing to Naz's catalog, yes, it's not it, but it's better than half of every rapper's first project ever. Where are their bad beats in everything I just named? 94 to 2002. Tell me where there's bad beats. You can't even start with the first one. That was the first super producer album.

That was like the original experiment. A bunch of super producers get together with this fucking prodigy and put together a perfect album. It was written starts with the message. I don't have the, I don't have the slander. it was written that other people seem now. I don't get... I think I can make a case that's better than Elmatic. I've heard that argument before. I don't agree. I don't know. I go back.

It has more replay about... Maybe it's just because Illmatic is like thriller. You've heard it so many times that you don't always go back to it. For whatever reason. I, I, like, what did I say? I'm not mad at it. I hear the argument, but it's not better than it. Yeah, I don't agree, but I get it. You're not doing that. I get it. I am starts with New York State of Mine part two, which I could argue is better than the first one. Then to hate me now. It had, it has, it has Nas is like on there. Like what do we talk about with Nas and bad beats? He said, this is a stereotype that hip hop took on and because it sounded cool, everyone kept going with it. I don't know about that because he knows. He knows. He says, because it's been a stigma. But he always said that he

purposely did that. Nobody gives me the beats that are bad. What's a bad beat on Stillmatic? You're the man was probably the best beat of that year. Now, but you know what though? Because second childhood is one of the best beats he's grabbed. I can understand what Mecca is saying, though, in that, in him asking Nas that. Got yourself a gun. Because now that you running off these titles, I could hear the beat and I'm like, if I didn't hear Nas rapping on that, would I love that beat though? And here we go. You see what I'm saying?

The ceiling is different when you start comparing when you have a rapper who you can only compare to himself. Okay, but what is a rapper's job when they go into the studio? It is to produce the best song that they can make. Right. So if this is what brings out the best Nas and I can say this song is incredible, my ears for hip hop is for the final product of the song. I'm not listening to Got Yourself a Gun and going, you know what?

I love this. But let me just go listen to the instrumental and decide this is okay. No, Nas took that beat, put his foot in it and created an amazing song. That's the point of a rapper. I think that's one of the ones where he was saying, I always give you one. I think that's one. Like, you're naming the ones that he-

Got yourself a gun smoking. You're the man, rewind, one mic. Second child, destroy and rebuild. the flyest rule. Name a bad beat. Again, I get what you're saying. Everyone needs to stop saying about Nas. I get what you're saying, but if there are some of those beats,

I put it like this, if you run those off, right? But then be like, yo, let me hear the shit you turned down when you was making this album. Oh, I mean, but that's, then you're going to be like, yo, you passed up on this. But then again, like. That's the difference. And we're not in the studio to know exactly which ones he's talking about. He turned down. But to me, that's something that you can't prove and it's like.

No, that beat we love, maybe Nas wouldn't have done what was supposed to be done on that beat. I only, I only, I asked the question because of the stigma, I only back it up because he acknowledged it. But I, again, I only think he acknowledged it because he understands that we're comparing him to him. Yeah. He's in different airspace. Jay is only whack when you compare him to Jay. You can't compare a Jay to the landscape and say he's whacked. Okay, well, what about this dude?

I mean, you know, I mean, when you start running into the, artists where their name alone ends the argument. Right. Which is, which is, I hear that a lot. But what do you think about this? I mean, I'm not Nas, but when you start hearing shit, I mean, I ain't Jay. I mean, but that's Jay. When you start hearing that shit, we're now only comparing them to them.

Yeah. You don't compare them to anybody else. So Nas is lackluster facade. Stigma is because they're comparing everything to him. They want more. And when he switches the tone, when it's no longer the gritty, grimy sound of Illmatic, and it's the slick sound of it was written, ah, come on, man. Come on, what you doing?

They want them to follow up a classic. But then when you have the generation that came in under it was written, well, then the next one sounds kind of, ah, come on, bring trackmasters back. What you doing? Yeah. Bring Primo back. What's you doing? How come you never did the album with Prima?

you know, all that shit catches up and that builds the stigma. But the fact that he acknowledged it tells me that he knows he's turned down some shit. Yeah, absolutely. In order to give us the Joint Cities giving us.

But I don't disagree with you. Godson starts with Get Down. I love that track. Yeah. Made you look is on that album. But that's one of them ones. He actually named that one. He was like, think about it.

This one, this one. Yeah. As you're rattling them off, I'm remembering him saying that one. Yeah. This one. Like, would I love the I can beat in the studio? Probably not.

But Naza's vision of that of what he was going to do with the kids on the hook and the message, yeah, that beat fits what he was supposed to do. And he made a classic song. And he also wanted you to hear what he was going to say. That's one of those message records. Yeah. I mean, it was like the first time, what are Republicans wanting schools now? They want to get rid of, yeah, nothing.

What's the cultural shit? They want to get rid of. Prayer? See, yeah, that shit. That was the first time I felt like. the white guilt. I was like, damn, we did all that. Yeah. Wait, everyone was kings?

Yeah, absolutely. Just showed up. Jesus Christ. What the fuck? Now I understand why the Republicans are trying. I was a young white kid. He said everyone was king. How could we do this?

Before we get off music, I want to say I went to Millie's release party last night. And shout out to Millie's. Shout out to Millie's. I ain't going to lie. Blanco 7 out right now. He was one of those ones I thought about the white rap, Mount Rush. Oh, he could outwrap a lot of people we names. He could outwrap a few niggas on that Mount Rushmore if we'd be in a hundred percent.

Yeah. I want to say this very, just to the room. I know we're recording. But if you were wondering where all the pretty women are in New York City, if you cannot find them, they're with Millies. All of them. Damn, I missed that. All of every last one of them. Millies.

Now, Rory, actually. I don't like how that sounded. All the pretty women are with Millies. Wait, I missed that. Which camera, Milly's. I apologize. I knew you were an incredible rapper, incredible artist. I was not familiar with your game, bro.

I've been wondering for the last five years where all the women hang out. I did not know they were all with you. It was at Milly's album release party? They were all matching him. That's crazy. Fire. I was like, damn, I didn't get the all-white memo. And then I realized it was just the women in Milly's.

Shout out the Millies, man. Project sounds great. He's one of those ones that's for a few years. he's been putting out consistent joints. He's been consistent. And any time you hear Millie's, whether it be a freestyle or, you know what I'm saying, anytime you see him like he's rapping for a, there's no, you know, Jada signed him. Yeah.

Somebody who obviously knows about bars and rapping. Oh, I saw, I saw Dad Jada last night. Because, you know, that's his, of course, he's showing up. Yeah. No, he was exhausted and wanted to go out. Yeah, absolutely. He was in the corner like, yeah. I just came on to go and watch first 48.

for my artist is my guy I want to go to bet I'm gonna go to bed Millies is one of those dudes I used to add this thing at the beginning of every episode

of my expert opinion I was shout out somebody who I thought was dope he definitely made the list booed me away after the first list and I've been fucking

with him ever since Millies Villen Park Marcus Clay Ali Ali Wow Vegas

no no god damn it don't do that Vegas Wait, wait, wait, I didn't mean that as a slight. That's one of my favorites, man. That's one of my favorites, man.

Ali Vegas is dope. Oh, man, I can't remember his name. Well, what made me... Amir Ali. Amir Ali is, okay. I didn't want to forget him. Amir Ali out of Philly. That boy is a problem.

Millie is outside of being the talent that he is. I'm just happy that he is carrying the torch to prove that lyrical rappers also get all the women. Oh, yeah. Like, that used to be the thing, though. That's what it used to be. Like, if you was really nice, like... Like, these hoes love freestyles.

Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Wow. They do. They do. Wow. How long you've been waiting to say that?

No, I figured it out last night. These chicks was bopping their head to Millie's pain. I was like, oh, wow, women are into this. Bro, there's never been a time. Stop with that SOB stereotype where there be no chicks. I'm telling you. I have not seen that amount of women in one place. Yeah, it's that artist.

In New York in quite some time. Yeah. Shout out to Millies, man. There's never been a time in hip-hop where the lyrical guy wasn't top of the food chain. Yeah, for sure. We talk like it's not. There's never been a single year in hip hop where that wasn't the case. Ever.

But people would, the guy that everybody was scared to rap with, that guy. And he pulled, he did whatever you wanted. There's always been that dude. I hate that stigma. Yeah,

it's definitely, yeah, that's a new thing. Since we have to get off music, we have to be messy because it's podcasting. What is going on with my expert opinion? I do not know. The barbershop.

I have been just because, you know, love the show. Fuck with math. I've just been paying attention what's going on. We're not here to judge. We understand how fucking crazy it is

to try to keep a podcast business going. But where does this leave the show? In the hands of the owner. Okay. In the hands of the owner. I don't have a lot of information as far as like where it's going to go. I found out a lot of things

in real time with everybody else. I knew the lights were off. Okay. I went to, we went to do an episode. I'm the one who called him told them the lights were off. So, you know, that's jacked up.

I told them to fight for the shop. Not because, not because the aesthetic is so needed, but because I felt the way it was done was dirty. I don't think you should let people get away with the bullshit. So you should, you should fight for the shop. But, you know, the, the spot isn't,

the spot isn't the show, the voices of the show. The energy is the show. You guys, you too, could pick up, go someplace else and be still be Rorya Mall. You think what I'm saying? Like when you left, when it was Joe Budden and then next thing it's Rorya Mall, you're still Rory and Mall. My expert opinion will be my expert opinion no matter where it is. It's not, I don't like the, I don't like the fact that all the business is on Front Street, but that wasn't my call either.

So we'll see what happens. Like, we'll see what shakes out. People are hitting me up for answers that I'm kind of watching with everybody else. Yeah. Man, can you see what's going on? Yeah, I'm looking right now. It's crazy. You got some popcorn? It's nuts.

You see this shit? Oh, then, wow. Fuck, did you see that? So you and MAF haven't had any personal conversations at all about it? We spoke months ago, and we knew that the landlord was like being a little shaky. You see him walking by. looking in like when we're filming an episode, but dozens of people walk by and look in.

You see a barbershop with a bunch of bright lights, you know what I mean, and microphones, of course you stop and what the fuck is that? So I didn't pay attention to every, I didn't know what you look like. And I stayed out of the business part of it. Like, if I'm not involved,

if I'm not directly involved, if I can't help in any way, shape, or form, I'm not injecting myself into anybody's situation, especially when it comes to, finances. Yeah. Those are your pockets. You spend your money.

You do what you do. I don't want to know how much you're making. I don't want to know. I'm from Queens. All I care about is my bread. I don't need, I don't want any of yours. I need all of mine.

That's the philosophy. And I'm not here to hit a pocket check or pocket watch you. And under any circumstances. So as far as, as far as like the, the, being, he did tell us when,

you know, homeboy was trying to after the light thing Homeboy's trying to kick us out blah blah blah He needs barbers in these hands He told us all the same stuff that he said online So yeah we had that conversation But

Wait the landlord said he needs barbers in the show I'm not saying anything that's not already Yeah of course There's something in the contract that says You have to have barbers in the chair Or it's like a subsection Where it says you can use it for other purposes, right? But the main thing is the barbers. And I can understand that if I'm a landlord

and I own a spot and I walk by, you know, three or four days out of the week and the shutters are down and the lights are off and this is my place. I want to see it active and moving. You don't want your building looking like it's abandoned, basically. I mean, if the agreement, though, is per month I owe you this. What I do with it is kind of none of your fucking business. Unless there's a suspicion that you're doing something illegal. Okay. Which, obviously that was not happening in that if we selling drugs on camera like bro you might have just did something with that we ain't think about that you what you what you think rfk was there for wow wow okay well that was where the suspicion started what is rfk doing here

yeah it's been sold on camera some some shady shit right now drugs have been sold on camera before absolutely yeah not when i'm around right right right when i'm around so you know some shit makes sense some shit just doesn't i didn't communicate with him because i wasn't asked to and it's it's not it's not my it's not for lack of a better term it's not my place okay but is that something you at least check in with him on of like the status of like what's happening or you have so many resources i couldn't see why math would hit you to be like oh this is what's going on is there something you can help out with that never happened okay i just feel like somebody like you would be the first call with the resources that you have and could provide to keep that

movement. But that never happened. Like we are where we, if that was the case, I don't think we, you know, if he had asked and I, and I could figure it out. Yeah. Of course I would. I'm moved. When have you ever asked me for something and I said, nah, go fuck yourself?

Never. Or like didn't even answer the phone for you. Never. Like, if I'm not answering the phone, excuse me, if I'm not answering the phone, I'm busy as fuck. Mm-hmm. I am like working going. albums with like an icon so like my days are jumbled up and if we're not filming the show

then I have things that I definitely need to put my attention to but juggling wasn't a problem and anybody calling me for anything it's nothing to be like oh okay I got you but like you know if I don't have it if I can't help you I'm not gonna pretend I can you think there's a window with this shit because I mean the podcast world is so unpredictable with fans algorithms, everything, with the steam that y'all had, you know, being one of the top shows, is the window small to come back? Just the way shit operates and how quick everyone moves. How quick do you think you guys need to come back?

It's not risk-free, right? I'll give you that. I'll say that. It's not, I can't, I don't have a, because they also say absence makes the heart grow fonder. You know, we were obviously providing something that, you know, was different from our peers. We don't do what Rorya Moll do. We don't do what Joe Bunnan does.

We don't do what Drink Champs does. Not in the same way. We're all doing something different. Your voices are unique. Again, wherever Rorya Moll go, it's Rorya Moll. You can't duplicate the voices, right? Wherever my expert opinion goes, it's my expert opinion. You can't duplicate the voices.

You can't duplicate the energy. So if people miss that, then there's always going to be a for something that somebody misses. You know what I'm saying? But maybe the main eyes. Like, maybe I heard that. Oh, sorry. No.

I mean, it kind of goes back to the casual fan combo we were having. Like, there's podcasts that I'll watch all the time. And if I start clicking other shit and somehow they get out of my algorithm, it's not at the top of my mind. Sure. Because it doesn't pop up. I just think that's how we're kind of trained with everything now. I've fallen off with podcasts, not because I dislike them.

It's because with all the busy shit I'm doing during the day, sometimes my algorithms is what's going to be the thing that I clicked that day. For sure. So, I mean, that's where I think not a window would be small because you guys have already built a core fan base that's always going to be there. Like, you know how much I love. There's a million subscribers on that. Yeah, it's incredible.

Like so. You guys were the only podcast that I don't want to say late to the party because that sounds like disrespectful, but it's not. when everyone, the podcast boom hit, everyone tried to do a podcast and they all failed. You guys were the only ones that came in after like the core and passed us. I see what you mean.

Yes. The only one, and to me that was like the most unique shit ever. When Matt launched it, I was like, oh, this is a really good conversation. But this is when everyone has a fucking podcast because they saw what the rest of us were doing. Y'all were the only ones post boom that actually stayed. So I do think, of course, no matter what, the window is open.

Yeah, there's magic. With, because we've been through it, so you know there's no judgments on this side. We have a little therapy session. What have these ups and downs been like with people leaving the show, messiness, new podcasts. Every single day they're talking more about what's going on with the cast rather than the actual show. What has that been like? Because you've been, I feel like, the only one from the original cast that's still there. I'm not even the original cast.

Oh, yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, no, I'm second generation at best. I'm not even original cast. And I think there might have been an iteration between the first and the second. I might be third. But the question is, what has it been like? Yeah, navigating with, you know, now that we have bag fuel, them leaving, the spacego situation. Like, there's been a lot of drama with that show and who are we to fucking speak.

We've had the same type of shit. but I don't know if we had the same type of shit public breakup fallouts yeah and like they I mean even everybody is part of our breakup was on their show like we've had public shit often how about that how is that

Ben because I mean I know you still have a great relationship with the guys at Bag Fuel and I don't know your situation with Space Ghost but how have you navigated that like because who gets who in the divorce I still love Savant but you know it's weird Nothing's weird for me. It is going to sound very anti-climatic. I'm chilling.

Okay. I'm really, I'm chilling. I don't have any beef with anybody. I don't have no smoke with nobody. Me and math are still in business. Me an S.O. A cool. Me, a hyanicking, a cool.

Me, and space are cool. These people were mentioned and didn't do anything to me. Facts. You know what I mean? And I also live by a very specific philosophy. My father told me a long time ago, if you didn't violate somebody's kids

violate somebody's wife send somebody to jail to take somebody's life it's not that serious you can work it out you can figure out a way to coexist with that other person

on the other side of that thing money loss you can give it back food going you can give it back like Tom going you can make amends you can figure that shit out only four unforgivables were the ones

I just named and none of that happened in any of these situations Nobody did anything to anybody that's so crazy You can't get back right And when I when it's not that I can't I don't have It's hard for me to put energy

Into Bef friction like whatever you want to call it It's hard I don't have to necessarily be a beef Yeah outside of those four things There's things that people can do that would definitely warrant you never fucking with them again Sure but even even that doesn't come within any anger, it doesn't come with any malice. It doesn't come with any, like, I'm not looking for you.

And if it's not that, then what? Yeah. If it's not that, if I'm not looking for you to actively harm you, it's not beef. I don't understand what we're arguing about. Like, we disagree fundamentally. We're not seeing eye to eye creatively. I used to go our separate ways. When I see you out, yo, what up?

How's it going? What's popping? You didn't do nothing to me. Like, nothing crazy. And if you did something, I got it back. So what we talk about? You were never going to, my other philosophy in this business, you'll need me before I need you. It's always been true.

Every year of my career, it's been true. Anyone who's ever tried to do me dirty has had to spin the block or look for the better, look for another me and end up with the T-Moo version. It's always been hilarious. I don't even, it's to the point where I don't even trip anymore. So I, and I don't have that situation now. I don't know this landlord. You know what I mean? Whatever he did, I don't know the business.

I wasn't there when the paperwork was signed and the contracts were signed for me to jump in now and go, hold on, wait a minute, dude. What about this part? I look stupid doing that, right? Like, whatever he signed the lease, I didn't know it was a, I didn't know he was subleasing. I didn't get invited.

Math owns the shop. Okay, cool. He doesn't own the shop. Okay, cool. We sub-leasing. All right, cool. What part of finding that out? Yeah, what part of finding that out?

Yeah, what part of finding that out? changes anything that I have to do. My job is to show up, be me, talk about the things I know, research the things I don't, and keep the show, rep the show, rep the energy, rep the, rep the spot. We're not a crew, we're not a gang. You know what I'm saying? With our family, we're people. We work together. And it's a good look and we all do great work together. And as long as it's that, I learned late in my career on some source, magazine shit. I learned very late in my career, way later than I should have. You can't get but so attached to something that does not belong to you. Facts. Bad idea. And Rory, you may

remember there was a time when I was just Mecca from the Source. That was my whole, I was in people's phones. That was literally the sent, like that was the full name. Nobody knew my last name. Fuck that. Mecca from the Source for everybody. Regardless of where I wrote, that's how hard I was with that brand. When I got offered other spots, I debted it because I felt like you were insulting me. How dare you question my loyalty

to what I'm doing? Fuck out my face. I think I'm a jump ship. The fuck I look like to you. You know what I'm saying? I got angry, like to the point where you think that of me, you think I would actually do some shit like,

bro, when the store started making wild moves and I'm in the back going, no, what the fuck? No. Oh my God. and he did it anyway. It's not mine. It's not mine.

It doesn't belong to me. It's not my say. It's not my call for me to sit here and scream at the top of my lungs, get all upset and get an altar over somebody else's decision. It's crazy. Yeah. It's great. I mean, but at the same time, you know, I think that it is some sort of communication

that should be had so that you're not blindsided when you don't have to know the exact details of everything. But if you're saying you found out about shit, when I found out about, out about shit, that's a problem to me. Finding, me finding out ain't the issue. Him telling everybody is pretty much the cornerstone of the gripes, right? That's where all the smoking. Me and him telling the public.

Right. Okay. Right. Could I stop him from doing that? He never asked me. He never told me he was going to do that. He didn't tell any of it. I can't speak for any of us.

I know he never told me. I found out he was on line like everybody else. I'm getting my phones blowing up. Yo, you see you, man? I got a lot of, who, who we talk about? Rory? Like, I got a song. What, what do you mean?

Yeah. No, Buster? Who? What, motherfucker who? No, man, this, well, okay, I'll go look. I went and look. Oh, shit, well. Right.

Oh, run that back. But what am I supposed to do about it? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I get upset, get mad, get excited. it's his shop, it's his show. Yeah, but it's, I mean, but you've also dedicated a lot of, you know, sweat equity to the brand.

That's worth, that's worth, whatever it's worth. And I did that. It's a worth to it, though. I did that because of me. Yeah, no, for sure. Absolutely. But I'm just saying, like, I just thought that there would be some type of communication between you and math to where you would at least not be blindsided by some of the

things you're hearing him say publicly. I thought that you would, you know, you would at least know what was going on a little bit, maybe not exactly what's in the paperwork. I knew a little bit about what was going on. Like I said, I knew the landlord was acting a little shaky. I knew I was the first one to find out the lights was off. And I kind of figured, I don't know if he actually, yeah, he told us that the landlord was out to evictus, but I didn't realize that we get, it wasn't in that order. Okay, got you.

Like the lights off was the last thing. Okay. All right. Oh, shit, the lights were off. Called him, told him, hey, I don't know how we're going to do this episode. The lights is off. if you might call somebody. I don't know what's been happening.

Like, I had no episode today. All right. All right. Going to the studio, got to do X, Y, Z, A, B, and C, let me know what's happening. Next time we need to come to a show, I'll pull up and do my part.

But outside of that, no one's obligated or entitled to anything. No one's entitled to any information. Nobody's obligated. It's not frowned upon when it happens. Yeah, from a leadership standpoint, maybe it would be better and behooved the staff to know

everything that's going on just for the show. But I see what Mech's saying because that's a drastically different situation than ours where you're sitting behind expenses. We have a contract that is based off everything that is spent here, that we need to see this and that. That's in a contract. It was started from

in session together with sweat equity. It's drastically different. But him being second, third generation of that, like, yeah, if that was the case, like when I've been hired to do stuff, I know this is what it is and ain't my fucking business. Like, as long as you have my check every month, there's not really much I can say here. Yeah.

Nor do I want to, because it's not my shit. I'm paid to show up to do this at the best of my ability and grow the show the best way I can. I got, I would get, yeah, but you, yeah, how you, but you, but you, but Mac is, yeah. But, I mean, back to your source comparison, too. Like, I remember when Seif left Hot 97, when he had that revelation, like, dog, put my life into this logo and then realized I was expendable and they did not give a single fuck about me even though I was the most senior person in there as far as years in I was fighting for a logo that did not give a fuck like why would I even do that? No I should just showed up it's not

sure a morning show and went to fuck home and not even fought with breakfast club and like no I don't care about this logo you get caught up you get caught up you you you want first of all when I was at the source bro that was the Bible yeah grew up on that magazine. Yep. That's like the perfect word. Who wants to let that go? Right.

Who wants to see that ruin? Who wants to see that tarnish? When it's literally your dreams, I was writing about hip hop as a hip hop head in the hip hop Bible. Every day. You had to tell me to go home. You know what I mean? I was in no office all the fucking time.

I had a toothbrush in that bitch. Like I was there. type I wear glasses now because I stand in the screen for way longer than I should have, way longer than it was healthy, now I need glasses. Like I did that because of my love for this place, but it doesn't belong to you. Every career I've ever worked with, every artist I've ever helped foster or get his shit back on track or put this album together, whatever, whatever. When it comes time for them to make the decisions that they want to make,

you have to remember it's not yours. Right. You can see the red flags can look like a fucking parade in China. You can see it a mile away. You can scream at the top of your fucking lungs. Bro, what they want to do, they're going to do. And that goes for anything that you are not directly in control of. And you are disrespecting them by assuming that you have more say or you have any say over their shit.

Yeah, but also from, and I'm not making that. of math specific thing, because I know nothing about his leadership, I'm outside looking in. With that, though, like, if you have people that are leaving, you are also responsible for the chemistry of that show as a co-host. So you do have to deal with the decisions that the leader does make. Like, when Esson-Hideken left, I'm sure the interviews in the beginning were a little different because part of that show was gone. A chemistry was gone. Sure. Like, how you guys played off each other, who was asking specific questions? Like, you have a very specific set of questions. Math has a very specific like there's that's why the show was so great so many different perspectives as a leader i do feel

like you should keep your team at least involved in some of what's going on with that info because they also are going to have to move this show with the decisions that you make and just showing up with me like oh they're not here and now i got to figure this out wish i would have known i'm i'm past that point in my in my career I'm not trying to sound like Mr. Cool, but from being honest, I've been in places with high turnover. You know what I mean?

I know what that's like. It's not pleasant. I thought that team put numbers on the board in a real way. Me, S.O. Hineken, Mav, bigger space ghost. That was the unit that M&M shouted out. First rapper to ever, like, big us up, just out of nowhere. Hey, those guys know what the fuck did.

That was amazing. Yeah. Shout out to M for that. That was, I never forgot that. That was the unit that put numbers on the board, not the units changed. Is beefing about it going to make it? Going to change that? No, just more clicks.

I tried to have, I tried to, and this story is out. I tried to set up the dinner for all of us to sit down and air out our grievances. Bigger had the spot in Little Italy. We were all supposed to meet up. So, Heineken space goes me big up math. We were all supposed to sit down and have the conversation. It did not happen. Why?

Math said he wasn't going. Okay. And again, this is public information. Yeah, yeah, of course. He said it. He said he wasn't going. His decision to make is his, but I get it. But leadership as well.

Again, outside looking in. My pops told me one time when the results don't change, the why is irrelevant. Yeah, that's fair. Fair. I stop ask. I don't even want to know at this point. Like, fuck it, let's move on. If I found out, would it change something?

Right. Why won't you cut? Let's say, it's going to make him pop up. I'm like, I'm going to talk him into it. He's a grown man. Right. Yeah, I still suffer from that. I've gotten better in my 30s,

but I'm definitely one of those people that harps on the why. And it never really changes once I know the why. But yeah, I'm one of those people that, like, I need to know why. If I shot you in the foot, knowing why wouldn't unshoot. you. Even if I didn't mean to shoot you in the foot. That's because you sleep with my best friend after Kylie's pool party. It says right there.

One of the artists... Too soon, my bad. One of the artists that we didn't mention for the Mass Appalachian 7 album. Hang on. Hang on. No, I'm trying to get... I'm trying to... What?

The public record? Yeah, no, but I'm trying to get PJ. I'm not team free Tory. Fuck Tori. No, I get that. I get that. One of the artists that we never should have said shot you to... Never should. Ran right into that.

All my far right. Who shot your Meg did? Well, shit. You can't help you. And you being quiet all the time. What the fuck? Entandra jokes. Let's go.

What were you saying? They suck. Sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sad. That was an intrusive thought. I didn't say they were good. Abandon ship.

One of the artists that we didn't mention for the Mass. Appeal 7-nowm Special Ed. Again, I think he's done. I think he's done. When we interviewed him, he seemed very content. with not fucking with music. I could be wrong. I could be wrong and I'd love to be wrong.

Special ed was nice. But his impression, the impression he gave to us is he's quite... Yeah, I would want to hear special ed today, though. I would want to hear a lot of... I want to hear good MCs, bro. I don't care whatever they come from.

You can't convince me that new shit is good just because it's new. That don't make no fucking sense. Again, another line for my pops. Garbage still stinks. no matter how fresh it is. I've been applying that to music since I got here. That shit doesn't make it.

I want to hear, I want, I think the detachment that we have, the ageism that we have in this business, has detached the youth from a generation that can actually help them navigate this business in a better way. Yeah, for sure. And then influence them creatively in a better way. Hey, young and you ain't got to start from zero.

Here's a dude who's like a top-tier guy who you can learn from, imagine what you'll be able to do. But I mean, even some older legacy acts aren't really in touch of what's going on. Like with the last tribe album, that proved that hip-hop is not just, you know, country for young men. Like, they put out an incredible album

in a time when they wouldn't be, quote-unquote, relevant. But that's because Q-Tip is very much in touch and relevant to everything that's going on at the moment. We'll use special as an example. Sorry, special ed. I don't know if special ed is like that right now. I don't know if I'd want to hear that from him. Because I don't know how in touch he's been with what's going on.

Not to say he would have to sound like now, nor did the last tribe album. But you can't just go back to the same shit. Like I would have been, as much as I love beneath Applebaum, I don't need a new tribe album in 2015 when that came out of you trying to do yesteryear shit. Or the, hey, this is what we did. No, you want to hear what tribe sounds like now. And they prove that beyond measure. album is incredible, but let's not act like that is across the board with all of our legends when they put out projects later. No, but everybody has a new artist have a bad album. You know what

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He's the illest dapper of all time. He separated my shoulder and then put it back in place in the same dab. Bro, I've lost chewing gum. Fuck it with that dude. Good new piece. Just got into him. Yeah. What up, my nigga?

Break bread with the guard. Bang. Anybody's choking. Heimlich, whatever, just give Bus a hug. Bro. Your bus is going to give you seven daps in 12 seconds. 100%. The wind from that shit.

Yeah. The wrist that he has that big ass link on, that one of, that one of, yeah. Problematic. Yeah, and Bus is one of those. When you give him a dab, he holds your hand and talk to you. Oh, you with the grip. With the grip. Because he wants you to know exactly.

My Uber's downstairs. No, fuck that. Call another one, King. Get another one. You have to dap some more. I can't stand it. I can't take it. We got to dap some more.

I'm not done dapping. I love bust so much, but oh my God. Every time I see him, I get like kind of nervous when he, because I know what's about to happen. No, you got to brace yourself for a bus dab. Like, bus daps is like, yeah, you got to embrace yourself. You got to, you got to know that it's going to be strong, it's going to be a great, but it's sincere. You know what I've learned. He really is a workaholic, right?

You know this. Yeah. If you. Yeah, absolutely. He has hundreds, thousands of songs that have never seen the light of day, right? That's how much he's just after it. What he wants is to be at this stage, got the accolades, got the money, got the fanfare, got the, he just wants to rap with the best, right? The collab with Royce the Five Nine, the collab with Kendrick Lamar, two things I was directly responsible for, and they only happened because I was enjoying this music.

and he wanted to know who that guy was that I was listening to, get him on the phone. I want to rap with him. That's it. That's it. Not a clout chase, not anything. Kendrick Lamar, Rigamortis Remix was because Mech was listening to Section 80, having a field day because the shit was crazy.

I want to rap with that kid. The kid that you're excited about, bring him here. And I love that that record eventually came out, but you could hear that that was Section 80, Kendrick in, when of that come out, 2020 2020? No, no, no, before that, way before that.

20... I thought it was during the pandemic that album came out. No, no, no, no. The Rig and Mortis remix? No, I'm saying the bus and Kendrick record. That was from that time.

Oh, oh, yes. That was ELE 2, 2020. 2020, yeah, 2020. That was my first time A&R and for him. My point is, he spent so much time in the studio. This is something I learn.

He's in the studio all the time. He's not socializing like that, like industry things. So when he sees somebody that he remembers and he likes, like you said, it's really sincere and he really misses you. Yeah, yeah. Oh shit. It's like a family reunion every time. It's like walking into church and seeing that cousin you ain't seen in forever.

All of his interactions from what I've seen, they're so, like you said, sincere is so genuine. He's real. And then what you miss is after you leave, we'll be in the studio. He'll be talking about that person for like, he'll tell you the story of why that person is so cool, what that person did, what they worked, what him and that person worked on together, be a female, be a dude, whatever it is. He'll tell you the story.

And then just sit back and go, man, that was dope. When I see, I got calling back. See if you want to come here. Tell them, just tell him, pull up. whatever you want to pull up but that's how he is yeah he's genuinely like yeah oh shit hey that's him i went to qua with crisis and hv years ago i think you might have been there too with bus how should i feel that one of the dab hugs uh my feet left the ground oh no i was jealous people that it's my first time saying it out loud oh okay you should feel like i was looking around student wondering if

anyone saw that my feet left you should feel like all white people should feel we've been carrying y'all forever. That was overcharging for what they did to the cold brush. You can carry y'all forever, Roy. You know the footprints? You know the famous picture footprint? I carried you when it was only one set of footprints. Jesus was white.

Only in the pictures. Only in the picture. And black hair and blue eyes. In America. I've seen it in my Catholic church. Cupid hair of bronze wool and feet of burnt breasts. Ladies and gentlemen, golf clap for that, that, that, that, that, uh, Mall, we'd be carrying you.

Before we get to voice, man, my dream Super Bowl would be Missy and Busse together. I would love. And, like, putting them at opposite sides of the field. And letting them perform their way to the middle of the... I saw it. Back and forth, the two of them would be the craziest Super Bowl ever.

I caught Missy show in Chicago when Bus was on. And I was telling them, I was like, yo, dog, like, you know, seeing Buster and then having Missy come on after that was just like, this is crazy. that these two are still performing at this level. Buster, I mean, when Budweiser Superfest was a show. In the 90s, I've seen Buster do that.

To then see him almost 30 years later in Chicago, and it's still the same. Same level. I'm just like, bro, this is absolutely crazy that he's still able to perform like this and has these records. And then when Missy comes out, she's on that same time.

I saw her, one of the Budweiser's Superfest's problem, and she's still able, visually, both of them are able to give you a show, like a real show, and they're really rapping. Like, really rapping. You understand what I'm saying? So to see that, you know, all these years later, it's just a testament to what true artistry looks like and sounds like. And then two of the most iconic figures that we have in our culture.

I think about that time, I think about that every time we're in the studio working and I have my A&R hat on. There's a standard. Yeah. that you cannot let slip. Like Chris Lighty was his A&R, dog. Right, right. You imagine, like, no pressure. Right, right, right.

Just like this legendary fucking God-tier A&R responsible for 80% of the music of my fucking childhood when I first came off the porch, these incredible classic iconic records from these incredible classic iconic artists. And that's the guy who was in this dude's, ear and now I got to sit and that. Bro, you know how much I feel like I'm kicking my feet?

Yeah. Like the kid sitting at the grown-ups table. I'm a grown man, but it's, it's, yeah. I'm intimidated strictly by the, by the knowledge that he has made such a mark over a 35-year career. The standard is set in stone. Yeah. Not just Chris Lighty.

Native tongues in general. Oh, the whole violator. No, I just, you started native tongues. Go to violator. Yeah. Mob deep, LL, Missy, Busted, like, stop there. Stop, what are we doing? Then continue to genit.

I didn't want to. I didn't want to. Because it just gets stronger and stronger as you go on. And like you said, Buss is not, he's not taking days off. He's not slacking. He wants to rap with whoever feels like they can rap. Yeah. His stage show, he takes no shorts on that.

Intertaining the people is a thing. Yeah, that's probably his priority, actually, is entertaining. Him and Spliff. Yeah. That's number one. And again, Dragon Seas in a new album about to drop, he's like performing tracks from that shit. And he's got to mix that in with the classics. When your whole, when your catalog is packed with so many classics that that can be the show, the chore is mixing in the new shit.

Yeah. Which is ridiculous. At the feature versus Like that's, yeah I don't even know You put that together Told you the features we got for Like Toby Nague Weewee

Killer Mike I can't even talk about The ones on the project coming up But just like the joints That have already been put Simba Like It's insane

Yeah And all these The idea of the album Was for him to rap With people I felt We felt Were from

His vintage Like he Maybe not be solely responsible for their careers of course not but open the door for this to be acceptable toby definitely yeah you know multiple kids the the the the colorful video like that's definitely vintage bus for sure the song they have together just came out crazy talking about fatherhood yeah toby is incredible it's one of my favorite artists for sure me we had a great convo i mean he's been all the fatherhood shit what's the uh rhapsody and bus song uh best

that I can. Rhapsie, first woman to ever take accountability. First woman ever? On record? Maybe I'm not a great mother. Maybe I've been an asshole to my baby father and maybe I'm affecting my child's life because of it. Maybe he's not this monster that I'm trying to make him out to be.

I love that. Best that I can, if you have not heard that record, please, especially if you're a father, go listening to that shit. But Josh, we got voicemails. You've got mail. Meg, this is a segment. people call in stories, advice, all that. They're usually fun.

Oh, it's groovy. Hey, y'all. What's up? Love everybody. Shout out to everybody. My question is, is the scam still a scam if you are a willing participant and you know you're being scammed? No. I got a home girl to do hair.

So America? Long story short. Normally what she charged, I'm like, apparently she giving me like a deal or whatever. And I'll do content for her sometimes. We'll do an exchange. whatever. This time around, I guess hair styles

be trying to pay that whole fucking rent with one client period. That's what you're and I know that you're upcharging me. You're coming up with

like all type of random shit just to, because you don't, you feel like I need to pay more but I didn't get my hair done and this bitch been doing my hair for a minute. But for me,

it's the principle of the fact. Bitch, just say, don't make up, don't make up the imaginary big toe feet. And now I got to pay this And I've been coming to you for the longest

So I feel like Am I I I know you playing with me But I need to get my hair done And Is the principal the fact Do I need to stop going to this bitch Because she played in my face Rather than just saying

Hey girl, I need a little extra this month I don't know Yeah I would say she got to find somebody else We got to She's gonna go through the same thing with other people It's nasty out here Yeah but But when you, if you've been going to somebody for so long, like, y'all have years in,

I'm talking like, shit, my barber, I've been going to my barber probably 15 years. Like, if my barber tomorrow told me like, yeah, nah, you know, it's going to be extra for, like, more alcohol on the afternoon. I'm like, what? Who are you talking to? Like, you know what I'm paying you? Sometimes I give my barber $100 here and won't, you know what I'm saying? Like, for the month here.

I might go to the barbershop twice a month, maybe. You know what I'm saying? So it's like for your hairstallers that you have a relationship with, because you have a real relationship, if you've been going to a hairstyle. Yeah, now 15 years. They might have been going to each other for two to three. It ain't been 15. Okay. So if it's two years, that's still some time invested.

There's money invested. You know, conversations. You know, you know your hairstylars after going for two years. You've had conversations. You know, it's a different level. I get the economy, you know, things like that. Products may start costing more. things like that

but there is a conversation that your stylist should have with you before you sit in the chair and then they start throwing these surprise fees at you but this is the thing when you don't know how to do your own hair this is why these hairstylists are able to get up get out with this and that's why y'all see me sitting up here with this bun on my motherfucking head

these hairstylists know that it's supply and demand there aren't a lot of girls who know how to do hair well they're not available and they're not cheap so they know that they can charge girls damn near whatever because girls are like I need to get my hair done. Like, I don't have a choice. So that's where it is.

If you need to get your hair done that bad that you're not willing to stand on your morals, then whatever she's charging you is her price and she's worth that price because you're making her worth that price. You won't even stand on it. You know this bitch playing with you. You won't even stand on it. You calling in us asking us if you should still let her play with you.

If you are willing to do that, then she's worth that. She knows that she can do that. She knows she can play in your face. I'll tear off my hair. It's like that. Oh, y'all don't know. It's dark out here. Oh, no.

I've said this on. this podcast, my barber, I sat down after the cut and it was $10 more because he said he saw the acidic Jews moving in on Facebook. I've told that story on here. Yeah, that's what I had raised the price and told me in the chair because he was like, y'all was on Facebook. I see the acidic Jews moving into the neighborhood. So I got to raise the price. Yeah, that's when I would have in my last cut. Oh no. I stayed. I'd have hug that nigga like bus. He recently moved in North Carolina, but I stayed another 10 years. I'd hug him like bust around. But yo, Peace King. Some people. Yeah, some people, some people, you. I'm out of it.

The price and the value is high. It's where do people say that the value lies. So it's tough. It's tough. It's not today's price. Yeah, these people that are doing here. These people that are doing hair, like these girls that are putting these wigs on and these weaves, like I'm not.

That's the other thing, no, baby D. Ladies. What's her name, D? She might be baby D number two. She got, listen, D squared. Yeah, if you, what y'all getting, though? Like, what type of hairstyle is, y'all be sitting in that? y'all be sitting in that chair ballheaded and then get up with too much shit we're just being real

what is wrong i'm just saying what are they getting what are you getting done to your hair if they're doing the bells and the whistles and adding this and taking that and installing this and uninstalling that that's going to i could understand if somebody being like yo it's going to cost this hairstyle is taking three and a half hours like it's going to cost for sure but this the thing though like i me personally i understand charge what you feel like you're worth if you're in high demand, you're in high demand, you're free to charge what your worth. And I'm free not to pay that, my fucker. But I feel like hairdresser should not be making more than nurses.

And I just refuse to pay that regularly. Now, now, now, now you pocket watching. No, I'm not pocket watching. People need hairdressers more often than they need nurses. God willing. God willing. Let's keep it real. Some of these hairdressers, it's performing surgery on some of these women's heads.

Then there's that. If you're pulling out the same shit, my nurse would use if I cut myself. I got a suture this or on. If it's the same stitching movement, happening, if you got more stitches than you're sewing, then I've gotten this buck 50 that this blood nigga just hit me with. Matter of fact. Yeah, you got to pay.

I don't even think the nurse is qualified for like the sewing work that a hairstylist does. All right. Oh, you got to apprentice. That nurse can't do that at the hospital. They got to wait for the doctor. Now, some nurses. Now, I want them to whip your, I hope they whip your ass. I'm not going to lie.

Who me? No, the nurses. No, some nurses could. Oh, I know nurses. Some nurses could absolutely install stitches. That's the fact. The question was, is this a scam? If I know it's a scam.

if I participate in a scam. It's not a scam. It's not a scam. It's not a scam. It's an upcharge and you're in on the heist. You just don't like your cut. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all must not be that cool if you can't have the conversation.

Girl, what you doing? How are you charging me for blah, blah, blah, blah. My barber, who I've been going to for a bunch of years. If you ever upcharge me, I could say something. Hey, what's this? Yeah, exactly. In the words of my man, Ma, I got the same haircut. Why is it?

I'm grandfathered in. Same. Like, my contract with my barber's grandfather. I don't care what. these niggas start charging for rent. You know what I'm paying. I'm AT&T from singular wireless. Yeah, you know what I'm in. It's the same. You're going to hit me with the same. The same we don't even talk. We don't even talk. We don't even talk. You know what I'm getting. My barber know what I'm, as soon as I sit down, he don't even, he just, he knows what it is.

Y'all can't do that because when the price of goods go up, the price goes up. If I go to a grocery store for 30 years, the price difference is going to change. They're spending more on the apples that day. The consumer always loses. And the alcohol is. And the alcohol is. going to cost more. These tariffs are really affecting. I got a homeboy who's running a, I can't even blow his business up. He's running like a beverage company.

One of the main ingredients is grown in Vietnam. The tariff on getting that ingredient alone is eating up his money to the point where the profits are going directly into just getting the ingredient. That's why shit going up. We're the only ones that are going to

suffer because business owners that get shit overseas are not going to keep the same price. They're not going to lose the money. Right. They're just going to charge more for everything. But, I mean, shit, my old barber used to cut the alcohol with water when it got crazy, which was fine, but I just didn't like that he talked like he was choppo when he was doing it. Like, I can tell the difference.

Like, I'm not, I'm not crying. This is very watered down. But I get it. I mean, prices was going up. He had to cut some of the alcohol. Sweetheart, it's not a scam. You're involved. Yeah, she's in on it.

And because you have a choice there. Like, American taxes, that's a scam. But we have no choice. Yeah. Because we're in America. So we're not in on the heist though. Even though we know what's on. Definitely.

No, where's the heist? Yeah. Where the high. We're the high school. We're the mark. We're getting got. We're the mark. I would tell her either, I mean, keep looking all, keep looking for a new stylist.

And also, girl, learn how to do your own hair. The recession indicator. Learn how to do your own hair. That will, because then you can always get your hair done at the drop of a dime. Shave it off. Shave it off. A cute style on your soul. Pull a PJ.

Shave it off. Just get rid of it. Shave it off. Not everybody got the head for a ball head. Shave it off. It's crazy. Not everybody got the head for a ballhead. Me being one of them,

that's why I don't have a ballhead. Not everybody got a head for a head. Fuck no. My tall ass forehead. You bug the fuck out. She said I got a tall ass forehead. I'm very aware of my strengths. I think you can do it.

That's what we don't listen. Make it happen. Peage make it happen. You thought you were going to come near my head with some motherfuck up. Yes. I didn't think Photoshop. I thought you were telling Pige to get some clippers.

No. You know Pee's going to make it. happen in post. You know, Pete, they get a corner. Make it happen. Peach,

I, please, if you will. Give me a bang. Like, I don't know. A bang on a ball head. A bang on the ball head is crazy.

You know, just keep this right here and let that hang down right there. Oh, I'm going to get you suckers. She's going to have two or three curls. Yeah, D. Just find somebody. Or go to murder a lab and get that girl.

Abandon ship. Yeah. Yeah. Too soon. Josh, we got another one. What's up, Rory, Ma. DeMeres.

So I'm getting annoyed with my best friend. We've known each other since third grade. We're 29 now. Damn. And I'm in a three-year relationship. There you go. Everything's going good. There's going not in well.

Your girl don't like him. My boy, he's been asking me, can he hit some of my past flings? Not my actual exes, but like women I used to deal with. What the, and... Sound like DeMaris. It's always been the thing, like, we'll pass them back and forth.

Never together. Do, did anything together. Let me make that clear, but we'll pass them back and forth. But we're doing that in our younger 20s. We're getting older now. Like, I know you can pool if you wanted to. Why do you keep messing with the women I used to mess with?

And I want to come from. front of them about it, but I don't want to come off way too harsh. But like, it's to the point where like, it's getting weird. Like, I don't know. I love them. I'm going to keep loving them. But it's getting weird. And I think it needs to stop. All right. Thanks for the advice. Well, I would say it is weird, number one. Number two, it sounds like, you know, you just want to grow up and you just want your best friend to grow up with you and stop doing the things that y'all were doing when y'all were in your teens and early 20s um and then there's you know just got to try to cover all bases here he might just like you ma not everybody is what's funny is i knew maul was

going to go with that angle in the middle of that i mean because you feel of me you feel of me they could just have the same taste too it ain't the same taste sometimes yo nigger want to taste you oh my god i just keep it's keep it real fridays it's Maris, what do you want me to do here? It's Thursday. Thank God it's Thursday. I'm out. They're hearing it's on a Friday.

Yeah, but this come out Friday. Oh, for the love of God. It's just, you know what you want me to do? It is what it is. Not say that. I'm just saying it. It could be. I would love to hear from our guests.

What does our guest think? Outside of them all thinking everybody is flaming. I don't think everybody's flaming. I'm just saying, I gave three different scenarios. I'm just saying that could be one of them. I don't know this gentleman. I think you shouldn't care. You've been with your shorthy for three years.

I don't think you should care what your man is doing who he's trying to hit. I don't think you should give a shit unless you plan on running the back with any of them women? No, no, no, no, no. But it is a thing that my best friend is every month he said me like,

yo, you know who I was with last night? Big Willie Kim, remember you used to fuck with? I'm like, yo, do, like, why are you still running behind all my own? He shouldn't even be asking them. Like, okay, I'll speak for myself. But it's your best friend. Y'all going to talk shit. I don't, I don't care what you're, like,

if it's funny. He might think it's funny. He's saying it's time to grow. up. Like, yo, bro, we can't dictate when another man decides to grow up, especially if I've been on my shorty for three years. I don't really care what you do. Don't bring it.

Yeah, but that's not, because I halfway agree with you. No, of course I wouldn't care about what my old work is doing. I'm in a happy relationship. I'm not even thinking about that. But I can recognize a pattern and find it odd. Why is my man's only trying to fuck with girls I used to fuck with? I don't care about those girls, but why do you? I care about my man.

Like, what are you going to? Why do you want to do that? Yeah, what's up with you, man? Because you've, you've, because I've put some numbers on the board. And I've had some all stars and he wants those same all. He wants the all stars. Yeah, but go get some new stars. Yours is accessible.

They right there. What Cassie said? Cassie said they heard I was good. They want to see if it's true. Right. Stop running your motherfucking mouth. Who said they didn't go. You can go and say,

you know, they got the best sandwiches over there. I don't know if that's the name we should be throwing in this type of conversation right now. No, but she. Well, shit. But the point of it is you can't go and like brag about the sandwiches over down the street and then be mad when your homeboy want to taste the sandwich. that you keep bragging for.

In my young years, when my friends have came, yo, shit's crazy. I never went my head like, damn, I got to have it too. Yeah, like, if I bitch your own sandwich, I don't want your fucking sandwich. Yeah, like, if I got a sandwich and I bite it to a sandwich, you like, let me get a piece. Every time I get a sandwich.

My nigga, get wins. You just left the store with me. We was just in the same bodega. You calling me. When I ordered me another PB&J, no, make your own PD&J. When I ordered this turkey and cheese, you were standing right next to me.

Okay, but now you got a to-Oak. Let me get a pastrami and cheese. Now you got a personal chef in the house and he want to go back to the sandwich spot. You got your own chef. Go to the sandwich spot and get a new sandwich. Stop going through the trash. Why do you get out the sandwich I mean? You got a chef.

Yo, listen, if I go outside my crib and see somebody digging in through my garbage every day, I'm like, yo, what's up with you, guys? These chicks is garbage. I'm just saying. I've been there. I had that already. Why do you want that? I'm not saying I would do it.

The way I'm talking about women makes you throw up. I'm not saying. I'm not saying. Reverse the genders then. Yes, it's the reality. I'd say the same thing. Reverse the genders. If a girl was acting that way,

be like, oh, that's, wait, why does she want to fuck all the dudes that you fuck? No, no, hold on. No, because I don't like what the Maris do that. She would say that if a girl was doing that. 100%. Like, the marriage. Yams were trying to get that shit.

Y'all talk about niggas the same way. What he said, he did not say it was any of his exes or women that he was in love with or that he really like. He said it was women that he just had flings with. Yeah. I've been told my home girls, yo, you know the ones that I was in love with.

Okay. Go ahead. Have fun. Demaris, we've joked about that with, not exes, but chicks I've dealt with. You being as gay as you are, is like, damn, I need that. You cool with that? Like, in a joking way. I mean dead ass.

I don't know why you said. Okay. So that's not crazy. No, no, no, no. No, no. No, it's only with like two specific ones that she brings up consistently. If she did that with everyone I fucked with, I'd be like, DeMaris, what the fuck is wrong with you.

Now you have a weird thing with who I'm fucking rather than finding two women I happen to fuck attractive. Yeah. I don't think DeMere's weird when she says that. If she went through my whole body count and wanted to add it to hers, I'd be like, all right, you have something weird going on. Coming from the friend's perspective, do I think the friend is a little freaked out? Sure. But you have really good taste.

So even if you had never slept with those women, those would still be women that I was attracted to because we have the same type. So if his best friend has the same type as him, you can't be, I'm not, but if you was out here fucking everything walking in the city and now you wiped up and now I can't talk to nobody in the city. because you don't fuck them all. That don't make any sense. It's the specific part of him hitting him up about women. He's like, okay, well, he needs to stop hitting him. He's trying to tell him.

Listen, bro, this is about to happen. I'm just trying to let you know what I'm about to do. She's right there. And I'll tell him. And then he'd be really pissed. Yeah, but there's a thing. Not to mention the women are down. It's not like he's,

it sounds like they're happy to do it. That's the part DeMaris ain't speaking to that I'm trying to speak to. The women is rolling and they know. Yeah. Them niggas ain't close like that. He said this is bestie. I don't know. We've only told each other since the third grade.

They've been cool. And they're 29 now. Yeah. No. I am. Let's use New York City, for example. Women over 20 years old in New York City, 4.3 million.

Oh, Rory, okay. Why are you focused on the five girls I fuck? You know, you know how small. What the fuck is wrong with you? You know how small. If it's only five, this will be over in a year.

Just settle down. Every time you walk into a spot, Rory run into a piece that he doesn't hit. New York is small. Hug me. Hug me. He's made it nasty. I'm saying?

Give me a hug. I miss you hoes. I miss you. I miss you. Hose. Give me a hug. Bust the rhymes back. Get off your feet. The best friend is a little, the best friend could do better, but my thing is like you, like, like Max said, he's, you, you, you're married. You're married you and love. Don't, why are you worried?

You guys are missing Mollin' eyes point. That's okay. Completely misogyn. If it was me, he wouldn't even have to tell me. Like, I'm, I'm being, I'm being real with you. I wouldn't even need to know. I'd, I wouldn't either. I'd literally be a little annoyed that you tell me.

But cap. I'm calling it, fellas. It's cap. We're not going to act like we wouldn't care. And we not going to act. We're not doing that. It's okay to care. I'm not acting.

I wouldn't care. I wouldn't care. I don't care now. Okay. If it was your ex or just a fling. If it was a fling, I don't give a shit what you do with a flame. X, you would care. X is different.

Okay. X is a different energy. Okay. But I'm, I would still find. I wouldn't care. But I would raise an eye. eyebrow like that's odd that you want to do that.

It wouldn't be enough for me to call into a show and ask for advice. It's a fling. I didn't care enough to keep her. It's my whole point. I didn't care enough to keep her. Maybe she ain't care enough to keep you. Why do you be acting like y'all always the ones leaving like y'all don't be getting left for? Sometimes we be leaving.

Sometimes. No, I love not being. Nine times out of ten, I don't know if y'all have done this, check this study. Nine times out of ten, men don't leave. Even when they cheat, they don't leave. Men don't break up the men don't file for the boys. Oh yeah. Y'all can hate it there and y'all will stay.

Said again? Yeah, that's our thing. No, we just, we just, keeping the, keeping the family together is more important for most dudes. No, that's not why niggas be staying. Let what, stop. Yeah, I've seen Anthony Edwards. He only want to see his baby.

Yo, he said, I'm cool. Take a, one point eight. Cash me outside. That nigga, aunt said, cash me outside. I saw that story. Selling fatherhood at 1.8 is hilarious. He said that one point eight, quick. He had that in his book bag.

He's like, how much is it? I take this she. I saw that story. She told him she was getting the abortion first. He gave her $100K for that. And then she never got it. And she came back around with the baby. Cash me out.

We are entering interesting times, but I knew this was going to happen eventually. It was just a matter of time. This shit had been happening already. It's just, yeah, social media, we can screenshot. I'm talking about fathers legally opting out of fatherhood. I knew we were going to get to that point. The argument was too strong on both sides. The argument is it was a nigga named Anthony Edwards that had had access to $1.8 million right now today

versus my dad. He probably would have cashed out too if he had $1.8. Like our father didn't have that money just sit down around liquid. They said men can get pregnant. Let me get pregnant. I need that 1.8. That's the difference is that men don't have it to be like, all right, you're going to put me on child support. Obviously, I got to help take care of this baby.

But aunt. Now see, the next thing, the next thing is the scale. Because Anthony Edwards operates at a high scale. Yeah. They're going to scale that down for guys who don't operate it. Yeah, absolutely. The numbers are going to tariff. Yeah.

The numbers are going to start coming down. I'm only watching this because I got a homeboy who's a lawyer. He's really into like the whole child custody, such and such. It does need to be addressed. The biggest argument is if a woman can walk away from being pregnant whenever she feels like, men should have the right to walk away from that, they feel like it, there's always that argument happening in the middle. I knew eventually somebody was going to score that.

Yeah. Some judge, some lawyer, somebody was going to be like, oh, word? Yeah, fuck that. Go ahead. Somebody was going to agree and set it off. Now I'm trying to figure out where we go from here. Yeah. Adding in legality to abandoning children is hilarious.

Like where are we at a society? It's always been. No, I think the Chappelle joke is hilarious. You have the right to abort it. I have the right to abandon it. it. Like, I get the logic in there, but family doesn't mean logic. Love doesn't mean logic. Like, that's true. Legally, yes. I guess if you do that. Birth doesn't mean, birth doesn't mean fatherhood. Of course. Like, so again, we come right back around the other side of the corner. I'm not, I'm not pro. I'm just, I'm on the

outside looking, but I'm really curious as to where, like, now that that's happened and that's in the books and that's a precedent, it's like, yeah, slippery slope. Okay, let's see. Let's see what the, because now the next one is, is, well, you know, I'm a mechanic. But I don't want this kid and she's having it. What do I need to pay? Now, what's the standard? What's the number? How much do I need to come up with for her to leave me the loan for the rest of my life?

But I usually go by the income and things like that. Again, that's how they determine child support. So now I'm like opting out completely. What's that number going to be for like the average job? Well, they're breaking down. What's your income? Okay. So $2,000 a month.

That's, what, $24,000 a year? There's a child support calculator on. Yeah, yeah. On your phone. There's an app for that? Yeah. That's a wild app. Yeah, that's a nasty app.

Oh, just bleep it. Oh, again, we're in slippery, slippery, dangerous times. I don't know where it's going, but when I saw that that was like, and I see the women who are pissed, but the woman he paid isn't. Of course she's not. So it's like. That was a whole goal. Right. so you can't even defend it.

You can't even get mad on her behalf. You can try and shame him, but he never wanted. The fact that it's legally allowed is where I'm, it's where my interest is. I can't wait to see how this shakes out for everybody. Yeah, I think it obviously is going to change a lot of things, especially when you talk about like athletes making that amount of money. Anthony Edwards is probably going to make close to a billion dollars playing basketball.

So, you know, when you talk about that and, you know, having kids and, you know, he doesn't want to have a kid. They agreed on abortion. He sent her 100,000 at one point. You know, she went to Turks instead. I mean, you can't be allowed to double back and then try to hit me for child support on a kid that I thought we were abhorting a pregnancy for. That we agreed on. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like, come on. Like, the man has to be protected to at some point at some cause. They don't care about it. Well, now. Yeah. Now. Now.

Now. That's what I'm saying now. Now. Men have to men. Because, you know, they don't really care about us. Well, Michael Jackson told us that. But if you look up, it is a thing where, you know, athletes are targeted or men that make a lot of money. Of a certain tier.

Are targeted. Financially. Yeah, they should be protected. That's all, you know, whatever that looks like. I'm just saying that the men should be protected. It's looking like it's going to look like the ability to opt out is going to be one of those options. Financially opt out. And I'm...

What does that severance package look like? What's the severance on a... A whole severance package. Yeah, severance package. Like, you know, just pay this. Boom. I got two grand and my Chavelle. How about we just called even.

It's called Even Stevens right here. You could have my bus down. Yeah. Yeah. Just take it. Be a trend. Tell Con Ed. Yo, I opt out.

I'm not paying it, though. Yeah, no. I opt out. You know, mortgage. I opt out. Yeah. I'm done. I don't want to do.

I'm done. I'm not fucking with you. All right. Thank you, man. Really appreciate it. We appreciate you, man. I deeply appreciate fellas having me. Like, this is one of the shows that I've been a fan of since you guys

started it off. I've been a fan of you guys before you started the show. Oh, I appreciate that. I'm happy to see that everyone's on their feet successful in doing their numbers. I'm just, I'm just really, really happy to be here. Appreciate that, man. Thank you, bro. Salute to Buster the Dragon Season coming out. Mr. Mech on YouTube, I got to start pushing that now, which I've never done before. Yeah, nasty, right? You just feel crazy doing that, right?

I never cared. I never cared. I always thought it was. I always thought my career was supposed to be behind the camera, writing the whole nine. I thought that's where it was going to be for the rest of my life. Now, things change. This is where the people are, and this is kind of where... So now I have to say,

Mr. Meck on YouTube after I get, like, share, subscribers, become part of my vocabulary. Exactly, yeah. The behind the scenes, people are the better people for on camera. That's what I've noticed in last 10 years. Yeah. All the people that were striving to just be on camera were in it for the wrong reasons.

Not because they had something to say. They just wanted to be on camera. The minds of these people have something to say. They live and breathe this entire thing. That's why the shift has happened. We never went in saying, I want to be on camera. We wanted to come in and contribute to what we love.

So we have way more of a perspective on it than anyone else. The rest of y'all just wanted to have the lights on and look this way and repeat whatever your program director told you to say. You have no perspective. My family still can't believe I'm like fame. You don't like the culture. Yeah, I've never...

ever wanted this. But, you know, grateful for it, happy for it, glad we're building something. But this was never my to be on camera, Mike. But you're so suited. No, no, I mean, thank you for that. But, you know, I'm just my friends that really know me, that they laugh at what I do. They like, dog, you don't talk to nobody. But I think, doesn't even talk to me.

I think that's how this happens, right? Like, there are those of us who are just who we are. and next thing you know, there are a group of people who resonate, what we say resonates with them so crazy. Your friends, they may laugh at you, but at the same time, you're saying the thing that they would say.

Absolutely. Which is why they fuck with you. They appreciate it. Rory's is exactly, and I know Rory's, they look at him and go, what he said is what I would say. Yeah.

And then I get that. Right. It's like, yo, your perspective on the show, the things you, if I was there, that's what I would have said, I fuck what you keep. Yeah. Now it's like,

okay but I never looked at it that way I always considered it that when it was artist you don't want to be good you just want to be famous you just want to be known you only care about being dope you just want to be famous oh now podcasters want to be famous and they think that they're artists that's another topic that's a whole other we'll talk to y'all soon

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