New Rory & MAL - Episode 368 | Business Decisions

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

Alright, now that the debate is over let's get back to business. Mal wonders what possessed Demaris to hop on a Citi Bike to retrieve her lost wallet from Starlets (4:30). Then, the crew gives their most unwoke opinions (14:56), and discusses what lines they're not willing to cross for a bag (23:30). Plus, Millyz joins the show to talk what it's like to have Jadakiss as a mentor (50:07), meeting Marky Mark (1:01:40), and his strategy for 100 men to take out 1 gorilla (1:22:10). #volume *Timestamps may vary based on advertisementsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are back, and we're black. Who's we? Some of us. Yeah, all of us. I mean, I get, I'm, I'm black. I'm black. Oh, okay. He ain't.

She was pointing at Josh. Oh, okay. Well, no, Josh is, what he said, 3% African? Oh, my bad, 29. 29 is just a wild number. How do they break those numbers down of like that specific? You took a 23 me too? No, I know, but to like be 29% is just funny to me.

I feel like they just really be in that lab just making numbers. What stop me from that 30? Like, who? Yeah. Who didn't fuck who to stop me at that 30? Like, that's what I want to know. Yeah. Let's get to that.

And, like, I needed to, like, I signed up for it, which I told you all. But there was no tutorial on, like, how they break this down. Like, after you spit in this tube and mail it, like, this is how we break up the DNA to know where it's from. This is somebody like this. Like, like, like, digging up dirt at each place? Yeah, you know, when you build your, you created play on 2K, the attributes, you just like, yo, let's make him 17%. 17% ash. What is it?

What is it? Ashtagandi? Yeah. 3%. 3% Ashwagandhi? You think I know. Ashtagana? It's you.

It's literally you. I've never been to- It's not Ashkenazi. Ashkenazi? Ashkenazi? I've went to a few people. I'm turning him into Ashwaganda. The herb is fucking hilarious.

But he definitely's an Ashwaganda type of guy. But, you know. That's the vibe I give? Yeah, yeah. Come on. That three percent. We migrated everywhere. Yeah.

And then became 97% Irish. But, you know, that's how it goes? But anyways, how's everyone doing? Great. Can't you see it? Yeah. You had a glow walking in today. Did I? Yeah. It's the sun. The sun is out. I walked. I took a little walk this morning and got some vitamin D and, you know. How far you walked? I walked about 10 blocks.

I walked about 10 blocks. Once it starts getting nice, I like to walk around Manhattan a little bit. Okay. Yeah. That's your type of thing? Just to get a little sun, you know, go outside, say a lot of people. A little vitamin D. Yeah. I wanted to FaceTime y'all yesterday so y'all could see what I was doing because, like, you ever be in the middle.

of doing something that you realize when you're doing it like you do with some crazy shit yeah i know i had to go pick my wallet up from starlets i told you i left my wallet oh yes how did that go so i took i didn't ubers were like they were trying to i was coming from jersey so like ubers were trying to blast me i'm like i'm not i'm gonna take the path in and then i'll just take the train and then you know i'll take a car over but yeah once i got to queen's i was like i saw a city biking i was like why not like fuck you're gonna stop stop stop if you tell me if damaris if demaris if you tell me you wrote a city bike to Stahlitz, me and you

are going to fight like two gorillas in it right now. I'm like you know right now. If you drove a city bike to the strip club. I swear to God. It's not funny that she drove her there. It's that she parked it outside and then got back on it. The kicks, I kicked the kickstand. And left it running

like, don't they charge you per what, per minute? Yeah. You left the city bike running to meet her running outside. And you know she could have during the day, but it was 2 a.m. No, it was during the day. It was during the day.

Oh, so were they open? No, the cleaner was there. I was talking to the manager and the cleaner was able to. Now, he was clean. He was really cleaner. And they have like, yeah, he was like really cleaning. He offered me a drink.

Okay. I didn't take it. Wait, the janitor's a lot to serve drink. Because the meter was running. He's not a janitor. He has a cleaning company. She's talking about her city, but. The meter was running.

I'm like, yo. And then listen, so, you know. Sorry, but I have to. split. You got to go meters running. I didn't know my way there, obviously, because I'm not in a car. I'm on a bike. So on Google Maps, they have like the little, like you could click like city bike and it'll give you like the directions for that. Okay. But it was, you know, like usually when you take the streets, like there's a certain way you can go. They were leading me through the projects like in Astoria. Like there's like, oh, you know, like basically it's a shortcut. So I was in the projects in Astoria.

I have my big ass, you know like my work bag. I have my big ass laptop Louie bag in the little basket. Yeah. And I'm just riding through a story of peas. Did you hit the bell? I hit the bell to somebody get out the way. Yeah. Let me tell you else on me.

I knew how crazy I looked. Like 15 minutes and I was like, yo, you look nuts, my nigga. Like you look great. You didn't record that? I'm vlogging it.

I've logged it. I haven't had my camera on me. I'm watching. That's going to be the first vlog I watch. I got to see it. You know what's really funny about that entire thing? Astoria projects is out of the way. Like Google Maps just took you for projects.

They were the fucking on a scenic road. No, from this train station I got off at. I had to go through the projects to get to Starlets. Yeah. Yo, let me tell you something. For whatever reason, if I happened to be in Queens last night and I saw DeMaris from the car window riding a city bike, I would have followed her.

And if she got out at Starlets, I would have had to get out like, oh, what are you doing? What type of fucking life are you living away from the studio? You ride in a city. Intervention time. You ride in a city bike. There's no way like a stripper that much. What's up, man? It was so nice.

It was such a nice day yesterday. It was beautiful outside. What is Starlets? look like with the lights on. Like that's got to be interesting. Well, I went in through like a back way some way. Like I wasn't at the top of it. You went to the Goodfellas entrance to Starlet's. Okay. Well, yeah. It was clean in there. It was very clean. Y'all. It was, it smelled like bleach. Like they clean in there if you ever wanted to like go. Did you, uh, check your statements? Leave in your card at Starlets. It just feel like you take money out of $20 and then

you give them the money and then they tax the ones. If I give you $500 for ones, they're going to give me $400. Yeah. Now, shout out to, shout out to the manager of Starlets and the girls who ever returned the wallet, my wallet had everything in it. My card, I have been watching my car, nothing charged off. Like, I expected that to be gone. Like, I'm just to be honest. No, it was, everything was good. So shout out to them.

They made everything. They wanted to make sure I got my wallet back to it. They were very accommodated. That's dope. Yeah. All right. Well, glad you got everything back and everything was in your wallet. Anything to not go to the DMV.

I get it. And would you run the bill on the city back? What was your bill? 10, 11. Oh, you went crazy. The whole day of biking. Yeah. $11 on a city bike, you went crazy.

Yeah, but that's wild because we had a city bike here that you made us throw out. But they almost, you know, they charge like $25 for a day pass. And I'm like, I don't feel like I'm going $25 worth of pedals. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm like, I feel like it's a straight shot. So I only spent 10, you know, there and back. That's a cool little like, I got, that's what I did last night. It was fun.

It wasn't last night. It was at 12 o'clock in the afternoon. Oh, yeah. I keep forgetting you said it was, okay. That's cool. Ain't nothing wrong with that. That's early enough. Since you didn't have your wallet.

Did you paying ones? The city bike? Yeah, just put them in the machine. No, it goes by your phone on the Lyft app. That is hilarious. I see somebody just trying to put in like a vending machine. They got city bikes in DR. Word?

He's just taking them and shipping them in Dominican Republic. It's a modern society. Dominican Republic does not have a city bank. What are you talking about? Yeah, but there's towns that don't have city bank that have city bikes. No, they have bikes, but it's not called a city bike. It's just bikes. They all have bikes, but no.

I'm talking about NDRP. People are stealing bikes from here and shipping them to DR. But why, I don't get the point, though, don't you need to, in order to pedal it, don't you need, no? You think niggas ain't got scammy cars? Have you just been to D. It's a modern society. People have debit cards and shit. No, it's not a-v-R is a third world country world.

I don't know if you know that. There's like a city, though. Of course. Like when you leave the city, it gets a little crazy, but it's still like modern. No, but I'm saying here, they just have cards that, they don't know who's card. It is, it's scam cards. swipe it, get the bike. No, I know that DR is a city.

What I'm saying is the charge, they don't have the charging ports. So like how are we? Oh, they're not? Oh, okay. Yeah. I thought, yeah, I thought they were all electric. Oh, uh-uh.

Wait, city bike is electric? So? Oh, I've only ridden the ones that were like, the regular pedals. Man gears, yeah, I thought that was the thing. Maybe for another, like a Patreon, we can look up the history of city bike, because I need to know there's got to be something

somewhere conspiracy in there. There's no way somebody that worked at a bank was like, yo, I have an idea and pitched bikes to steal parking spots. And they were like, yeah, that's going to be our new business plan as Citibank. No way. No, you know, it was somebody was late to work and it was like, oh, the trains. Oh, it was like I had to go cross town. I wish I just had a bike. And someone was like, hmm.

I think it was probably just like some old loan shark shit. Somebody asked for a loan for this idea, couldn't pay it back and they just stole it. Oh, you might be right. City bank was launched through a. partnership between New York City and private funding. Yeah, somebody fuck. Whenever you say private funding. There's no way someone came with a PowerPoint.

It was like, yo, I love bikes, even though I work at a bank. Private funding, with Citigroup being the lead sponsor and the name of the system. The city through its department of transportation initially proposed a bike share system in 2008. Wow. With feasibility studying following 2010, city group's financial investment, along with the support of Goldman Sachs Urban Investment Group underwrote the project, the city of New York, contracted with NYC Bikeshare later motivate and operated to run the system with Citigroup sponsorship securing the city bike name.

To me it was like the first congestion pricing because the amount of parking spots they took and the amount of tickets everyone got because of those bikes. Yeah. Yeah. And the private funding is a icon parking. Yeah. For sure. 100%.

Everything about city bikes was to make sure we could ticket more people. Yeah. That 100% prime real estate they took. Yeah. We can't take any more buildings with gentrification. and let's take the fucking sidewalks. I hate it. I mean, I understand it,

but I hate it. It takes up so much parking in the city. The bikes, they don't do. You're mad bikes, too. People on the bikes don't stay in the bike lane. They, like, right next to the, like, escalate. I'm like, your fam, you're supposed to be on that side of the sidewalk. Well, sometimes they don't have us.

You know, I used to yell about that, too, when I was driving. But yesterday, like, being a regular civilian on the bike, I realize that not every street. I love how the marriage was like she could speak for, like, the bikers now that she she rode the star. She's like, you know, I used to feel the same, but after yesterday, my experience, and I vlog did, check it out now. You know, like, when a rich kid does, like, one missionary mission, like, that they go out for, like, a week, don't do shit.

But, like, I finally understand, like, what the pores are. I get it. Yeah, like, but not every street has a bike lane. Like, the main streets have it, but, like, the side streets don't. So, you know, there were some people beeping at me. I beeped back, and then I just had to pull over to the side. You beat back? You didn't hurt you?

If you don't get that microwave bell out of it. You're going drinking to a rangeover. It's hilarious. You better move your ass out to wait. The matter's. Fuck that bell. No, but I biked in the city, you have no respect. Like, it might be more dangerous than a walking pedestrian car.

Like, the bike is the last thing people give a fuck about. Cars will just push you this way. People just walk right in front of your shit. They do not respect that bike lane. Myself included. It's dangerous out there. It's a whole... We need to talk about the culture of people that get up at, like, 5 a.m.

and go outside running. So like a large majority of people. Yeah. That's like the niggas we need to throw at the gorillas first. No. No, not us. Y'all want to wake up at 5 a.m. and just be running outside in the neighborhood?

Did it for a long time? Yeah. Why don't you go fight the gorillas? I don't want to. Okay. I want to run in the morning. I know. I'm training so I can run away from the guerrillas.

Okay. Oh, got it. Enduring. I'm going this way. Got it. With the endurance. Cross country. At 5-A.

And first of all, gorillas. What time you did guerrillas wake up? You don't think, Grillas don't sleep in. There's no fucking way. They up with the sun. Oh my goodness. Anyways, yes, stop.

Move the city bikes onto the sidewalk. Give me my parking back. But with that said, let's get through some topics before we get to the second half of this episode. These are the ones that you guys decided on. I love to do pre-production in real time. It's my favorite part.

That's my real, like, unwoke opinion is that all city bikes should affect pedestrian sidewalk and not my parking. Because I saw on Twitter that someone said, post your most unwoke opinion. Like, don't try to set me up. We've been through these Twitter streets before. Sorry, officer.

I'm not about to tell you my unwoke opinion. Because, like, shit died down a bit on Twitter as far as the cancellation. This is somebody from 2020 that was a social justice warrior trying to get us all jammed up again. Nope, not falling for that fucking bait. It's city bikes and city bikes only. What's your most unwoke opinion? Yeah. None.

Everything I say is woke. If Bernie Sanders didn't say it I didn't say it Who started this question An agent Yeah like how did how did how do these things like Because we know what these are for These is for engagement get people riled up on the timeline

But like What's your most Unwoke opinion? Mm-hmm I gave mine I gave one of my safe ones I didn't give What's one of your safe one?

Really It's up there I said fuck it try making these kids too soft. Life is hard and you'll never survive it. Survive it and learn how to find beauty in it if you grow up with everything being sugar-coded for you. I think the kids are being made to be too soft. That's my unwoke opinion

that's safe. I think like we won't our podcast won't get canceled for that. Oh, we're not getting canceled. Don't worry about that. There's nothing unwoke about that at all actually. That is unwoke. Do you know what they say woke is? Well, woke was hacked and taken by the right to make it to be something

else. But agree. I think any regular person would agree with that that things have softened up and no a regular person will not agree that you needed like that you need to like spank your kids or that you need to stop gentle parenting

that is not the regular person will not agree with that oh see now all right see we got this out of you now you're saying in between the lines here that we should beat the shit out of our children never never said beat the shit out of these fucking kids screaming in the supermarket we need to smack them across their face anytime they want to say give me some skittles never said that now I'm reading in between I see what's going on People need to discipline their children if their children need to be disciplined.

But what type of discipline? It depends. Because discipline is different. For every child discipline should be different. But people need to discipline their kids. And I don't even mean just spanking your kids, but like punishing your kids, taking things away from your kids, making your kids respect you. 100%. Your parents, like, the thing, like, even with parents, like when they, like, when I, when I was younger, I hated because I said so until my father explained it to me.

because he didn't say that to me often, but he was like, you need to understand that I am always looking out for your safety and your best interest. And one day there might be a question that I don't have the time to answer for you. Our lives might be in the balance. So because I said so, you need to respect that. Because we might, if I say do something, do it right now because it might be for your safety. I don't have time for my child to be questioning me when something, like you need to know that you can trust me. You don't need to question every single thing I do.

Right. And I learned that lesson. And it has benefited me. And I think it could benefit some other people. And some children. You do your kids a disservice if you don't discipline them or train them for actual real life and not the safety of your home. And they may resent you for it in the meantime, but they'll figure it out.

And not everybody needs to protect your fucking feelings. Their feelings. Their feelings. Their feelings. Oh, my God. We live in fucking America. Don't nobody give a fuck about your feelings. You're about to go out into the world and get mollywapped, boo.

No. So, yeah, that is unusual. The feelings are so focused on now that people create. feelings they don't even have to feel something. Yeah. I feel offended right now. No, you don't. You don't care that.

You feel like you should feel offended. No, you're finding something to feel offended. Rory sent me a tweet last night about how insane 2020 was. It was like, yo, bro, I think the tweet said, yo, 2020 was the wildest year ever. And it was a video of a guy crumping in front of police. I saw it. I saw it. I guess it was a way of protesting.

Which I get it. cultural thing, understand crumping. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. I just want to know what song they heard in their head. You don't get it, though. There was no reason for that gentleman to be doing what he was doing. None at all. Like, we could just cut the shit. Somebody should have tapped him like, but get the fuck out the street, man. That's not doing. This is not helping anybody what you're doing. No, not at all. 2020 really just, a lot of good came out of it. But it did shift all of our brains into what I think DeMaris is getting at in this tweet, even though I was joking about between

the lines of what she was saying. It's softened the whole world, though. No, but see, that's what I hated. Because I was one of those, and obviously where we were probably together every fucking week in 2020. But you know that people gave me shit for a lot of the shit I was laughing at when I was like, get the fuck out of here with this shit. What is this dumb shit?

This is doing nothing. I said that a lot in 2020. People stopped talking to me, unfollow me, block me about a lot of shit. I was saying, here we are five years later. And everybody sitting back feeling. the same way I was feeling in the moment. I'm like, bro, what is this doing for this cause? What is any

of this, just like you said, people like, oh, I'm offended. No, you're not. You're offended because the timeline seems to be offended and you want to jump in on that wave. And now you want your tweet to be seen and you want your voice to be heard. And it's like, but you're not

really offended by anything that's happening right now. You're not affected by anything that's happening. For the timeline you are. I think it's a balance because there is just the timeline bubble that we have that, yes, people were just trying to get as much positive engagement, not the way they do on Twitter now, but during the social justice time, they just wanted some attention there. But there was also people that were actually in the field doing good things. I think it got overshadowed by what was going on the timeline. Because if you would

have had that conversation, like actually out in Union Square during protests, this and that, I actually think you would have been met with good dialogue and good conversation because I was out there and it wasn't as woke it was actually people having conversations it was the timeline where everything was fucking the wild wild west and if you used the wrong fucking vowel it was over for you that was not the real world at that moment like there were real conversations happening it was just overshadowed by that bullshit and yes i was also petrified during that time i'm one of the few people that i admit yeah i was walking out eggshells you're fucking right as far as what A white person in hip hop.

That too. Other things that we're going on, which I mean, we can talk about but not talk about. Like, yeah, I'm not about to sacrifice all the work I've done in my entire life, knowing how the good intentions I do have, knowing I have nothing to do with some of the bad shit that's bringing up where I'm just going to go rogue for the fuck of it and ruin my life just to fight back on one day on Twitter because I don't agree with what people are saying. No, fuck that.

You think these people that don't give a fuck about me that are trying to cancel me that don't know me, I'm going to fight back to prove their point. I'm going to shut the fuck up and keep it moving. Nah, they killed me from my Black Lives Matter shit in 2020. I mean, I hope they don't dig it back up because I'm sure it's crazy. No, it wasn't. You were sitting right. It wasn't crazy. It was the truth. I said the slogan I agree with Black Lives Matter. Oh yeah. No, we had that conversation. I agree with that. We had a good conversation. Like, who are these people? Nobody knew nothing about them. You and I had that conversation. I remember on the file where I was saying, they're not yelling Black Lives Matter LLC.

Like the people in the field are yelling the actual definition of the term. So I hear what you're saying, yes, that was proven that they were just taking money and doing a wild shit. But that was, to me, just more of a ploy to get rid of the actual message of what was going on outside. People were not yelling for the corporation of Black Labrower. Like not even a little bit. They were yelling the phrase. Yeah. Somebody, which happens all the time, no matter what race it is, is going to take advantage of what the fuck is going on.

That's all that was. But, you know, terrifying times. I should have just crumped instead. I got an unwoke opinion, but... That's why... Anytime Peach does this back thing and goes like this, I know this is something that he's going to be like, yeah, we should cut this out.

I got an unwoke opinion, but I don't know if I should say it. Say it. Don't say it. No, it ain't going to be a bleep. Hey, you can't hear what you never reveal. I know it's bad because more thinking about it. I'm trying to phrase it. I'm trying to figure out of phrase it.

Because I don't know if it's... I guess it's a... Is it a poker pants? I don't even know for smoking. But I don't... Okay, Maul. Interesting. How would you...

Don't do that. Now, see, because I want you to know, they suppressed me. I am being suppressed on my own show. I just want to let you know. You were heard. Okay. As long as I was heard.

But I wasn't heard about my... No, no, no. That's intentional that you were. My viewership and my listenership. I wasn't heard by them. No, you were heard in the room. I'm being suppressed. That's fine.

With that. said, I'll get us down into maybe a deeper hole here. Not that I could ever get this role because, one, I'm not an actor. Two, I'd have to do blackface. I would still take the role of Marvin Gay in the biopic if I had to kiss a man. Terrence Howard said he would never do that, even though I think he'd smoke that role. I don't think that's weird if you're an actor to kiss a man in the script. Well, you don't, but certain people feel like it is,

weird. They're just not. And we've had to talk, shout out to our guy, J. Alphonse. We've had to talk with him about that, about, you know, when it's art and, you know, having to approach a role like that with his role in P. Valley, what do you do to prepare for that as an actor? You know what I mean? Like, do you just completely dive into that role, the mindset, the person, the character that you're playing. It's not really you, quote-unquote. It's the character. But some actors and some artists, they just don't, you know, that's something that they're not willing to compromise on. They're just not willing to do that. Cool.

And I understand people and their boundaries. But what's so funny is Terrence Howard said he would turn down the role. It wasn't even in the script. We know that famous Quincy Jones article, which is probably my favorite, I think my favorite print article that's ever existed on Earth. Down to Tupac with Vibe Magazine, talking about the big and puff thing. Quincy Jones interview was the greatest thing I've ever seen. Where he revealed that Mark. That Marvin Gay Richard, everybody's fucking each other.

But Terrence Howard, like the rest of us read that. And when the thought was even brought up that there could be a Marvin Gay biopic, and I think he would be great for that. He was like, nah, I heard he kissed a man. Oh, it's not even a script yet. How we even know that's going to happen? Just about in real life? I heard that's what he did in real life.

Like, nah, I don't want a part of that. You're dedicated to a different level of homophobia that you don't even know it's in the script. That's not true. They didn't even ask you to do that? That's not true. But Quincy, when he was asking Quincy Jones, he said, I'm hearing rumors that Marvin was gay. And I was like, was he gay? And he was like, yeah.

And then he said, I can't play the role because he's, they're going to have some type of love stuff in there. You can automatically, you know that. Are they, though? I don't know if they would just had that in the movie because he really was because that's not a known thing. That wasn't a big part. Like, all right, I'll put the, um, Aaron Hernandez Netflix series or whatever the fucking, uh, network it was on. that was a big part of that story was he was suppressing gay stuff and all the Marvin gay story the gayest part about his story is his last name like outside of that Quincy interview nobody was ever

running around like Marvin gay is gay like that's not something people are waiting for in that biopic yes but Terrence Howard also knows Hollywood in 2025 if you think they're not sneaking that in there of course I see that point but also with that if it's true I don't think Quincy Jones is a liar at all I actually think he held back in that. Because after he said, who killed JFK, he asked him, do you like Brazilian music? He was trying to get off, like, topics. So if it's true, who cares?

Then it's not Hollywood trying to add in some gay shit to demasculize men or do the gay agenda. If Marvin Gay had that, and we don't make the whole story about him being gay, because clearly sexual healing is much more than men, why the fuck would you, all right, if there's one kissing scene with a dude, you're not taking that role? You play Marvin Gay. One of the greatest voices ever. This is Terrence Howard.

Terrence Howard doesn't have to take any role. Tears Howard can do what the fuck he wants to do. He can not work again for the rest of his life. If he's not attracted to men and doesn't want to kiss men and it will make him feel uncomfortable. And that's his boundary. He can turn the role. I'm not saying if that's your boundary, cool.

I'm not. Terence Howard can do whatever the fuck he wants. I'm not trying to tell him to do something different. I'm speaking in general. If you're an actor, that role wouldn't be something that you may ease in to really tell that story. Like, this is a very important story to the world.

It's still going to get told. Okay. Maul, is there anything you wouldn't do entertainment-wise? I'm not kissing no, man. I mean, we know, we know that. When I tell you, we know, we know that. But just, like, just things that might be normal that other people. That's normal?

No, it's definitely is normal. Like, I wouldn't do a nude scene. I want to be an actress very bad. but I would not do a nude scene. What do you mean you want to do a new scene? You wouldn't show Bush or you wouldn't show nipple. God, you're old. I think you would show nipple.

Bush, I wouldn't either. I wouldn't do either. But that's a boundary that I have. I feel like it would be weirder than showing Bush. You wouldn't, you wouldn't do it. Nope. Really? I mean, put the teeth and went topless.

You can go topless. Why? Because I'm not comfortable doing it. Okay. Yeah, I'm not comfortable doing it. And I also don't think it's necessary. I think that there's a lot of nudity in TV that is not necessary to tell a story. Completely.

agree there. It's a lot of gay in TV that's not necessary. I said Rory and me I was not a thought of sex period. I was like it's not even a part of the plot. Turn it off. Turn it off. Okay. And I'm not trying to go against our woke conversation to be that guy, but there's been plenty of like regular heterosexual. People are attracted to sexual stuff. There's mad unnecessary titty's ass sex scenes that had nothing to do with the fucking plot it depends on whose tities it is now great even like euphoria margarabi it made total sense in wolf of wall street when she opened the door was completely i thought that was a part of part of the plot when she was said at dinner

we're not going to be friends like plotting against a man with money there is something there and of course you are also creating art and let's not act like naked shit is an art at the end of the day it was done in a faithful way the shot everything love the whipped cream and even adding it nothing too quick, like the dog at your fucking leg. Beautiful. To me, that was a tasteful sexy. Addled into it. Is that Scorsese?

Yes. Love him. Which, by the way, doesn't, like, he doesn't lean on sex scenes like that at all. As a need to because he has actual talent. But even like Euphoria, which I thought there was mad, unnecessary dicks in that entire thing, I also had to think, okay, they're playing off the amount of unnecessary tities and ass that have been in film since existence. Like, it's a sexual thing as humans.

It's not really a sexual preference. During films, we just want to see tities and shit. I'm cool. I'm not trying to connect you. That's your line. You want to get nude. Yeah, I wouldn't get nude. What if a director had like a passionate reason why?

Because I've heard actresses and even like men talk about it where they had to do sex things they didn't want to do. Because the director was so passionate on how it moved the story and how it moved the story. and how it moved the shots and like that's what's up finding another actress fair and that's why I'm saying I don't think that

everyone's like he's so homophobic I don't think that that's homophobic I don't want to kiss a man that's crazy not wanting to kiss a man doesn't make you homophobic but that's the thing

that people do though that I think is wrong like they throw that label on you just because you said like you said that's just his boundary like there's nothing wrong with him saying I don't want to kiss a man

like now he's homophobic because he doesn't want to kiss him in I don't think he's homophobic but I'm just saying the fact that people say that I would cut my I would fuck I would cut my lips off

oh yeah he took it a little far if I kiss some man I would cut my lips off that's I mean it's a little far I don't know I felt him like I don't know man I feel Terrence on that who the man like I don't know man no but I mean Terrence is he's in his right to

if he doesn't want to kiss a man take a role because I hope he hasn't heard the most recent Kanye oh you know he's heard that are there any podcast interviews y'all wouldn't take outside what okay I don't know How many people?

Who are you talking to? Have you been on the show before? You know how many years we've been doing this? Okay. I'm not talking about people directly tied to us, right? Like, for example, we had the opportunity to have an interview with someone, and I advised, and my other producer at the time, advised y'all not to take that interview. But mainly just because I didn't-

I never told you how much I wanted to fire both for you all for that. That's fine. But I never did. Wait, wait, wait, are we talking about, we can be canon? Who is it about? We talk about the Fox News shit? No. No. She's talking about Candace Owens. Oh, that. Okay, okay, okay.

I thought like when they had brought the Fox News Jesse Waters shit and we was all like, no, we're not doing that. That's what I thought you were talking about. Not that one. We all said no to that immediately. Oh, the Candace Owen shit? Yeah, I mean, it wasn't because I didn't want to speak to Candace it was just because I didn't think this was the platform to have that conversation. I agree. That's where I was at with it. It wasn't, hey, I have no interest in speaking to Candace, even if I agree or disagree with her stuff.

I just didn't think this was the platform for it. That's Kat, because I said, well, I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even, I didn't even really want to talk politics with Candace. I wanted to get to know Candace like on some like, yo, what should be listening? It's like, growing up, like, what was your? She's talked about that. You never like, yeah, but she ain't talked to me about it. Okay. That's where I was going with it.

But y'all was just so helping. No, no, I'm just like, what? Well, because. Candace own ones be talking about. Because your producers that you wanted to fire know your audience, know what your audience would have felt in a sensitive time. We don't know our audience. Clips go viral with that. We never even thought we were going to be able to be able.

And that's not our, those are not from your audience. Those are from people who don't, who are discovering your show. Yes. There you go. So now we have Candace on with her platform, people that never heard of us, they discover our shows. Candace's platform is going to revisit this podcast and become regular listener. You don't know that? Okay.

How could you say that so, like, matter-of-factly? You don't know that? Okay. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I was just trying to have that conversation with Candace on some old, fuck politics. Let's talk to Candace Owens about the shit she'd be into like an, away from politics. Like, that's what I wanted to get into.

I thought that would have been dope. Why not? Yeah, but I feel like if we asked her about anything music related, her answer would be, I used to listen to Jayze and Beyonce, then I realized they were Democratic puppets, and then anything we say would have went back

down to a political thing. And that's what? I told you, when we were having this conversation off mic, because I remember this vividly when we were all talking about it, I watched Candace Owen stuff, and I've seen her talk about her past growing up in Connecticut

and how she was such a hip-hop fan, I know for a fact anything we brought up would get down to like, well, then the Democrats got a hold of them. And it just would have went off the rails because she is so trained in what she does. I don't think so, man. I don't think so, man.

I don't think so, bro. I don't think it would have went like that. I get what you saying. I get why you're saying it. But like, you think, all right, say she would have went that route with it. You think we wouldn't have had a blast having fun with her. Like, yo, what are you like,

so everything is just going to go right back to politics? You don't think that would have been like, funny to watch like me and you sit with Candace Owens and laughing every time she tried to turn yo what you listen to as far as music or sports and that and she turned into some political shit i would have had a field day laughing at Candace Owens about that shit like yo what do you doing? Are you really? I would have laughed but we have to think about an entire viewership that while we're laughing

can go through her entire catalog of shit that they completely disagree with them fine actually straight up offensive to their lives. That's all like i'm not going to kiki about. Jay Z and Beyonce with her when I would rather do that with you. I'm just saying we had some people in this room that we could have had Candace over is all I'm saying. We could do the one-on-one. I'll produce that one.

Same way we did the DJ head shit. Nah, I don't need you to produce Candice. Don't produce, you can't produce Candice. No, I was, listen. No, you can't produce Candice. That's your problem. You're trying to produce the black woman.

Don't do that. Why I, the thing I loved that Candice did was get the fuck away from the daily wire when she exposed them for, yeah, they're not based off their business plan of free speech. You say one word about a certain group and yeah, y'all are not these free speech people. I'm not trying to produce her. I'm just trying to help and produce you. I don't know.

McCandis, no. That would just be a, that would be a good conversation though. Would you do it? Yeah, McCannis, absolutely. Are there any big names that y'all would not take the interview? Absolutely. If R. Kelly came out here, would y'all take the interview? No.

Cal's? You see the difference in the two? You see the yin and the fucking yang? Kells, no. No fucking way For what? Listen, he gave Gail a banger I don't know

But that's before he was found guilty And throwing under the jail We knew he was guilty But at that point Shit was going on The docket came out We had some questions for R. Kelly I have no questions for him

The questions are answered The questions are like There's nothing to ask Arkelly Yeah And his answers where I'm fighting For my fucking life And it's like dog So were the people in your basement

Mm-hmm Like Yeah That was I mean but there is I wouldn't sit down with R. Kelly but somebody's going to set a camera up in front of him one day and ask some real questions like, all right, but the parents.

That's all. We were the parents. That was always a question for me. I don't care where you say my daughter's at. Studio, nobody can, nobody can stop me from getting in this studio. What are you talking about? My daughter's in there and she doesn't want to be in there and she's trying to get out.

We're getting in this studio. Right now, doors, windows, everything is coming down. Separate conversation, though. Like, I agree with you. The parents are responsible, if not the exact same as R. Kelly, but because he knew how to target young girls that had shitty parents and could identify that, doesn't excuse him because those parents are. I never heard you say excuse me.

No, I'm just saying, like, but the parents, that's not a conversation I want to have with R. Kelly. I would want to have that conversation. I'd sit with the parents. I would definitely sit with the parents. What the fuck were you doing? I want to hear from Kel. I want to hear from all. He didn't hear from the parents.

That's why Kelis could do it. I want to hear from like, he'd have nothing to say. How much you paid the parents? That'd be even, Kelz thinks he's innocent. He would come in here. Yeah, because the why it went through.

That's why. He thought it was a negotiation. He thought it was a deal. That's why he thinks he's innocent. Who has their passports? Who has their shots? Kanye? Yeah, would you take a Kanye interview?

Nope. I used to want to say yes to that. And by the way, it's not because all the, insane things that he said. I'm not doing it on a moral shit. It would be a waste of fucking time. Yeah, I just don't know if... It would be him screaming, which he's already doing now on his

on his own stream. Yeah, I just don't know if he's a good get, like, I don't know like what would you, because we would ask, you talk about Candace doing it. If you ask Kanye something, he's going to turn that into a whole different. He wouldn't answer what you asked. He would just go on a rant of what was on his mind. And a lot of people like that because it gets them clicks and views, but... That would be absolutely pointless at this time.

Like all the stuff that I would want to know, like even if I took a month to do all the journalistic shit about yay and put together the best structure ever, it wouldn't work. So what would be the point? Yeah, I want to sit down with people that I really am interested in and like don't hear much from like Keen and Ivy Wains. That's like my dream to sit down and have a conversation with Keenan and Irie Wain. I mean, with everything going on with their family in the headlines now, I don't think that's far-fetched. No, I don't think it's far-fetched. But that's just like one of my him, Byron Allen, Allen. Like, those are guys that I look at and I'm just like, you know,

legends and have done amazing things and you don't really hear about them, don't really see them in headlines for no crazy shit. But their work speaks for itself and they've done legendary things. Like those are the type of people that I'm interested in having conversations with. The ones that are accessible and on the timeline every day and, you know, going on rants and I'm cool. I don't really want to. I don't know. That's like the circus. Roy, who's your dream interview?

Lucian Grange. I know somebody that's actually like in some negotiations with it. But legally I don't think they're allowed to speak now. Probably not. Yeah, yeah. No, Lucian like outside of just music industry, we're talking about people that we are hypothetically saying would be candid in their interview, right? Mm-hmm.

Because I don't think Sir Lucian. Sir Lucien Grange would have anything to say on camera, period. Like even the fact that Leor did the breakfast club was, blew my fucking mind. Breakfast, like, he did drink champs, didn't he? Yes. That's when he was on his pressure. Which I could not believe he even did that. Lucian would be, that's like the bevy of everything we question about the music industry

could be answered with one person. Okay. That's, or Tommy Mazzolo. Ooh. It would be Tommy or. Lucien, because I think you'd get pretty much the same information from both of them. Anything we've talked about over the last shit, what Quincy was talking about in that interview. The last 50 years, you're getting answers from those two people and those two people only.

Shit Michael Jackson couldn't get answers to, they would have answers to. That would be my dream interview to talk to one of them. But they never would. This is just hypothetical shit. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. I mean, maybe his son would do it.

Michael Jackson's son? No. I would love to talk to blanket. Oh, okay. No, Lucian Grange's son that's now running in land. Listen, if you can get extorted by Trayway, like, maybe we can. Maybe we got a shot? Yeah, never know.

Yeah. Throw some guns and money around. Take them. Make it look like a real video? Yeah, take them. Where'd they have that shoot out? I forgot the restaurant. It was Mr. Chow's, right?

No. I feel like I would remember if it was Mr. I'm pretty sure it was Mr. Childs on the east side when that happened. Like, Treyway and Lucian Graham's son, just in the line of fire. Sick time. It was that, 20 what? 18, 17. God damn. 16.

Wow. Which is funny that our guests that we're going to have on the second half of this episode was never really affiliated with Treyway. He was cool with Shottie and run around with Shottie before that, you know, 6'9 got weird. But yeah, that's actually a good segue now into who we're about to sit down with. Finally, somebody that is of my complexion, maybe I'll get some respect with the lighting once he sits down, but I doubt it. That's what we need on the show more.

Clip this, Unwoke opinion. We need more white people on the set so I can get better lighting. Man. White lights, white people. All the lighting is to you two and I look nuts all the time. No, it's just that black gold, man. He keeps trying to blame us for being ugly. It don't have nothing to do with the light and we ain't fucking you up.

That's how you look, yo. It's my, on my birthday. Oh, I'm sorry. Damn, I'm so sorry. On your born, on your born, boom, born. It's crazy. You're beautiful. Friends.

Just the way you have them. All right, well, let's get it to the guest, man. No. Mall, you know we are sponsored by Roeb. It is birthday time for me. So it's time to go to Poundownown. Listen, man. I hope you got your Roe Sparks and your travel bag.

Listen, the birthday, consensual sex is ready to happen. Mm-hmm. It takes like 15 minutes once it dissolves on your tongue and I'm ready to go. You know, 35 is the first time I'm getting up there. Yeah. Sometimes a little nervous. You know, I'll be a little busy.

Can't really perform the way I want to. But it's birthday time. 35 years old. Listen, man, 35 years old, got to have a teammate. Got to have a teammate. Roe Sparks, let Roe set the screen. Roarie. And then come off that thing shooting.

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Search the Cito Show and listen now. All right, Rory, today we are joined by one of my favorite guys, man, one of my favorite people in this industry, this shithole, of industry. A guy that I've been following for a long time and I'm happy to see all the success he's achieving and all the elevation. And, you know, I'm seeing a lot of people repost them on my timeline. And I just smile when I see things like that.

So today we are joined by Cambridge's finest. Mass's finest. Millies. Yeah. Millies, listen. Rory went to your album release about two weeks ago. Yes. He called me.

He was like, yo, Millie's having an album release. I felt some type of way because Millies didn't hit it. me and tell me you had the album. But I said, it's all good. And Rory was like, yo, listen, I'm going to go by there. I said, bro, I'm in the crib. You know, I live all the way up north. To come back down to the city, it's going to be a, I'm just not into it.

But tell my guy, I said, what's up. Rory didn't, I get, we come to the student the next day. Rory was like, nah, you were supposed to be there last night. Listen, I went from Millies. I went to support. But I stayed for other reasons. Yeah, yeah. I went for one reason.

It was the party for the party favors. They're called party favors. There was a lot of party favors. The ambiance, the aesthetic was very nice is what you mean. Yeah, very welcoming. A lot of fans of hip hop in the building. A lot of hip hop in the building

with Millie's did. You know that. Gotta be hip hop with Millie's did, man. How you feeling though, bro? I felt good, man. I feel excellent. Yo, listen, man, we saw you, I think the last time I saw Millies was

when we had our show in Boston. That was, what, two years ago? Oh, yeah, yeah. That was December of 2022. I might have been 23. I don't think it was 22. Might have been 23. Yeah.

You might be right, though. Maybe 22. Then a minute. But. But, yo, man, I've been seeing you. The elevation is amazing. Blanco 9 is out now? Blanco 7.

Blanco 7. Excuse me. Blanco 7 is out now. We'll get to 9. No, we definitely going to get to 9. But how has it been, man? How has the journey been up until this point? Because I remember, I think the first time, well, I heard you years ago,

but the first time I remember hearing you rap, hearing you freestyle. And I was like, nah, he's serious. It might have been Funk Flex freestyle. I think it was like 49. Yeah, that's a long, long time. About eight years ago. Yeah. That was like 2017.

That was the first time. I heard you before that. But that freestyle, I think, is when I said, I got to start paying more attention to him. And I think, were you signed the kiss before that? Or was it that happened right after that? Yeah, like right before that. And that's when you signed with Jada. But when I found that out after that freestyle.

And I said, okay, like, so kiss heard the same shit I'm hearing. I'm looking at him. But to see you now and seeing everything that you're doing has been dope to. watch um but how have you been feeling though as far as like personally is this is the music industry been good to you is there a lot of things that you're like oh man these are the potholes that people tried to warn me about to trying to avoid like what is it what is the experience been like up until blanco seven man that's it's like a loaded question because it feels like even though you saw me on flex at whatever year that was in 26 yeah my sedan start my should didn't start until

the pandemic. Yeah. Like it got late in COVID because I wasn't, I'm not saying I can't make club music, but that wasn't what I was super on. I was kind of doing more like pain songs. I do the freestyle raps and stuff because it brings engagement on social media. That's not my passion. It's commercial.

Yeah, exactly. And it's a commercial just to draw people in to be like, you know, look what's going on. Because I know I could technically do that. It's like a technical skill set. It's like making half-course shots. You'd rather make music. Yeah, you know what I mean? But yeah, it started in the pandemic when everything slowed down.

It was like people started listening to music for real. And that's when they started, I just remember I posted a song called RLS and it was kind of more singing, but talking about going through real life shit. And I just saw like a bump in the algorithm on it. And I'm like, oh, and then I dropped something with Jim, um, height and senses. And it was like the easiest type of song I could do. It was just rapping intricately and a melodic hook from me over like a beat with a vocal sample. And people liked that off the album. I didn't push it off the album, but people liked it a lot off the album.

And that's when I realized, oh, if y'all like this, I could do this over and over and oh, this is the easiest thing I could do. So I started dropping from there and everything went up. That's how I went Blanco five, six, here to seven, like off a signature sound. Like if you go to YouTube and look at a Millie's-type beat, you'll see a thousand, a hundred-thous-type beats. you know um so that was the progress like with music but yeah i learned a lot just in the in the music industry i still feel like i'm on the outside of the industry because i never had a major push it always just been me and my friends behind me and then like you know cosigns like y'all are been we personally know each other like kiss a post me or like however it goes but it's never

been a a major sort of corporation i did a distro deal you know i did big distro deals but they just give you the bag and then you got to go kind of to do it yourself. Has Kiss been a good mentor in that capacity? Because Kiss has probably been through more situations than any major rapper that I can think of. Like, he's the only rapper that's been on bad boy, rough riders, and Rockefeller, technically. And Bee for 50 Cent and and Beanie Siegel and Pop, yeah.

For publishing, like he's been very vocal. Yeah, KISS might be a vampire now that I think about it. Yeah. I mean, even on We Are the Streets, like the interludes is raping you records. Everything in the interludes is about being fucked over in the industry for your pub, for your budget, everything. I think about it now. That's why he was kind of like protective over me. It was times I was supposed to do love and hip hop in 2021 or one of them shit. I mean like I was yeah, he was adamantly against it. Who were they going to pair you with? Oh, this girl, man, this girl.

Yeah, that's girl. Shout out to this girl. Shout out to this girl. Shout out to this girl. We had a lot. I thought out to this girl. We had a bright future. We had a bright future. We had a bright future on loving hip hop. And Kiss was just adamantly against it. And I'm like, I need to feed my family, bro. I actually moved out of my apartment that I was in because I'm like, well, I'm about to be famous.

So this probably actually. No, I don't do that. This is like 2019. He was like, that's whack. That's cool. No disrespect. Mona. We love you and all that.

But yeah, he was just adamantly against it. And I was like, but, bro, I'm starving. I'm going to die. I got to do love and hip hop with this girl, man. And she started going left on me before the show even started. She's getting in character. Yeah, I guess so. And it was crazy.

She's trying to create the storyline. Man, I seen her one day. I don't know if she... I don't want to violate. Like, shout out to her, but I seen her one day and she was smoking a new pool of a hundred. Oh, no. It was on FaceTime.

And I got... And this is like a week. It was 100. Smoking a new pool of hunting on FaceTime? Yeah. It's crazy work, man. She was smoking a Newport 100, and I was just like, damn, like, we were on FaceTime, and she was arguing with me about something. I don't really, like, argue like that.

That's not even in my character. Like, I don't indulge in that. And I'm just like, damn, like, we went to those meetings and they started asking me about. It's a long argument, too. Where your side chicks at, yeah, you got to smoke a whole new port. That's a long argument. Hell yeah. But not, kids protecting me, you know, from a long argument.

a lot of things, just a lot of situations, like, always reached out to me. And he would always say, you know, you got the complexion for the connection, but I don't think we ever, um, I don't think we ever, like, use it, like, monetize it the way we were thinking of, like. I think that it's more so because you're, I think your brand and who you are in real life. I think it's probably what KISS was like, now we got to protect that because that's, that's real, that's really who you are. So if we start to go this way, it's just too much out of who you really are.

That's what Mona wanted to do. Well, yeah, I mean, we know Mona would have loved that because she has to, you know, the whole thing would have been white. Yeah, no, but you, I think that kiss, kiss made the right call. What has your been, you, you have this, this unique, like, thing of, of just being tapped in with certain guys and certain other artists that, like, like, Leak Ward and, and Al be Al and, you know, those guys that I listen to, but to see you doing videos, I'm like, yo, Millie's is, Like he's in tune because these are guys that you got to kind of really be in tune with a certain area to kind of like even connect with on a personal level.

But then to even make music and then actually go to that hood and do a video. Now we're talking about something deeper, deeper connection and a deeper like, you know, it has to be a trusted. Yeah. Where's that come from? Is it just a sense of, you know, if I'm from a hood and mass, the hood is the hood everywhere. It's just a certain language that we all speak. Is it just that or is it a deeper, like, connection that's just deeper than that? Yeah, that's a good question.

And I think people see the videos and they think it's like really some Hollywood shit. They don't understand how treacherous it is. Oh, yeah. Oh, I know. That's why I asked. But, yeah, even, like, Leaf Ward, like, he don't care who you are in the industry. He don't really do much features with people and shit like that. So I think they tap in because I had, like, that pain type of music moving.

So, but it'll be, like, my year. Youngings in my neighborhood that have told me, you got to get with Leaf Ward. And I'd be like, I want to do a song with so-and-so. And they'd be like, fuck him. I say somebody mainstream. Like, they really tap me in. And risk takers got like 45 million streams or something crazy.

And we're all underground artists. So, Abial, that was like just people telling us to work. As soon as he came home, like we just tapped in. Got on FaceTime. Leaf Ward was harder to get because, you know, he's just running around. he was in the streets but you know shit like that

he ended up getting booked but I was grateful to be able to go out there but yeah it's treaches we don't know there's so many videos and just popped out on artists just to show him

like it's genuine love I'm not you know I'm not trying to use you for a verse or anything like that I think that speaks to the authenticity though because that record is crazy and I didn't even know I had 45 million

I feel like if you went like the major route they try to pair you with somebody They would sing a hook. Right. And you probably clock at like a million views maybe. Right, right. Like that was something.

All three y'all have the same but different fan bases where there is some crossover. And we brought them all together. And that song, man, that shit is so big. But no, I think it's a trust and it's a respect thing, you know. So also like I'm, I believe in God a lot, bro. It's like I'm very in tune with God to the point where I just feel like I could go anywhere. You know, on trust and with God. Like, I've been to Haiti for real.

Right. I grew up with all Haitians. Like, my school was half Haitian. My pa ablo, my Aishian, my school was half Haitian, like, straight from Port of Prince. So I had a certain trust level to where I go, you know, the government can't even protect you in Haiti. You got to be real tapped in. Right. And we went out there in, like, I think, 2019 or something like that and just moving around.

But it's love and it's trust. I was with all deportees, like people who got deported from Cambridge and shit like that. And then real zo. So it's like, I'll really go anywhere if I feel, you know, it's authentically like in my heart to go there. Like I feel comfortable in those environments, you know. Yeah, I forgot what platform it was. It might have been your own YouTube channel where you gave like, I guess a tour. That's kind of corny to say it that way, but it's where your neighborhood.

And I did notice out of all like the hood vlog stuff, everyone from. 60 years old to young had a story about you. Usually people walk around the hood and they just with their friends and just make up shit as they walk past it. It was like old Haitian women coming out their crib.

Talk about him as a child. I was like, oh, all right. He's from here for real. Yeah, yeah. And it's so funny because I'm actually from a place that put in the most money into PR campaigns

and the history of PR campaigns. Like, I'm from Cambridge, Massachusetts. That's Harvard College. Yeah. MIT. Like, you don't, Get that's been blasted out to people since the 20s. There's a,

if you go to Jason Tremens' YouTube, it's a smaller YouTube channel, but he gives a real breakdown of the Cambridge that I'm from. You know, because it's also Harvard College, but there's also 14 housing projects and people living below the poverty line and shit like that. So, yeah, no, I really grew up

just kind of in an environment that made me feel like we were just in Far Rock yesterday. and they were like, yo, nobody comes out here, bro. But it still feels like my neighborhood in the summer. You know, it's not too far. So, yeah, that's what gives me the confidence to go wherever. And then I'm not leading on no tough shit either. I'm just like, you know.

Yeah, mutual respect. Yeah, we're cooler. Bosses had a very interesting music history where it's, I feel like it's been neglected, but if you really go through it, it does have like monumental shit. But on the hip-hop side, I feel like even guru from Gangstar, we all thought guru and print from Brooklyn. Benzino, I'm actually one of the few people that's like not a Benzino

hater. I actually think he's done a lot of good for hip-hop and he had a few joints. And Maid Men, I always fucked with their mixtapes. That's hard. Every time Static brought terminology, I always fucked with him, Mass Bike Miles. But I always feel like Bobby Brown was kind of like the new edition. Yeah. No, I think for sure. I tell people like, you gotta understand when you're coming out of mass, it's like an uphill battle on roller skates because you're dealing with, if you just go, I'm a person that likes to go with the odds.

Like, I tell people it's harder to make it and rap than the NBA because it statistically is. How many rappers are there in New York right now? Right, right. Like people making songs in the studio. I don't know. A million. Yeah. All right.

For sure. How many people's in the NBA? You know what I mean? How many people play for the Knicks? Just do you math on that. I'll tell people that before you try to jump in a rap. But like, especially for Mass with three hours from New York and probably 500 artists got record deals in the last 10 years from New York. And three artists from Massachusetts got record deals.

And why do you think that is, though? Because even like the source coming out, because a lot of cities will bring up the New York thing, like all the publications, everything media. That's why y'all get the looks that you look. And I think there's an argument there. I see what they're saying. There's some pushback, but I get it. Right. The source came out of.

And I mean, that was the Bible at one point. Why did that never really click outside of what Benzino was doing? Because there's been plenty of great rappers. They just never get their look. Yeah, I think people probably had a sour taste, salty taste, pause, like whatever, you know, from the fact that I think they felt like, even if you hear Eminem, he's like, half your staffs fresh out of jail from Boston, bullying and extorting. And it's real shit. Like Benzino, you know, to his credit, he took, what I don't want to get all the facts on.

This is before my time. But he took 10 different rappers from all different hoods that were beef. And when the murder rate was high in Boston, the murder rate actually dropped. He put a lot of rappers together and formed the wise guys, which was like a bigger extension of the main men. And he tried to, you know, he tried to put a lot of people in position. but I don't know, bro. It's just like,

we're such a town that we believe in sports, man. You know, like, we're on some sports shit. Like, we know what Benzino and his friends did to a certain player. Never mind. I'm going to come here. Did kids ever tell you the story of the Benzino, bro? Yeah, lightly, but I heard it enough on podcasts and shit like that. There's been some locks Boston beat for a while.

What is the, no, they're straight, though. Oh, no, for sure. Hell yeah. Where's there, is there, do you have a, I'm not sure if you do, but do you have a relationship with Joyner Lucas?

Yeah. I got a relationship with Joyner. Like, we never saw really out of eye. There was some tension there? There was just some like serious things that don't have nothing to do with me or him, but in the middle of it. But actually,

Mark, man, Mark Wahlberg. He put us together for real. dope. Wait. Sorry. I'm sorry. The Maris, right?

You're laughing for. Marky Mark and the funky bunch. Which she just found out was a rapper. She just found out that Marky Mark was a rapper.

She had no idea. I knew he was a rapper. I didn't know he was a part of the funky bunch. I didn't know that.

What's the funky bunch? That was Mark and the funky bunch. I don't know. I know it was Marky Mark. Yeah. So. And he'll come around.

He says, you know, he downs himself and me, he'll go, I was the only corny rapper from Boston.

and now we got real rappers, but I don't think he was corny. I don't think nothing about Mark and Mark's corny. No, Mark Wahlberg is a street guy from Dutchess. 100%. It just came off the vanilla ice shit was going on. It was just bad time. Mark Wahlberg will hang vanilla ice off a building, like, ignited in real life. Like, Mark Wahlberg is Mark Wahlberg from four brothers.

100%. I'm trying to tell you. I'm trying to tell you. Mark Wahlberg is somebody I could tell us very comfortable in static-y environments. Like, we'll be with all the corporate people and everything. And Mark Wahlberg will defer in the room to me and my friends. I swear to God, all these $100 million guys on this dick, Mark, Mark, Mark. And he's just talking to us like super, but not forcing it, just super comfortable and regular.

Like he is Mark Wahlberg from four brothers. I'm standing on that. But let's slow down. All right. Because when you asked a question about joining Lucas. I was like, I get it. It's a mass thing. Maybe they cross paths.

Then I can see y'all having issues. People know each other. how the fuck did Mark Wahlberg end this beef? Because like he would support Joyner and I used to see that and be like man that's the coolest shit in the world. Oh my God Mark Wahlberg, a A-less celebrity

bro. I'd be like that's amazing and and one day he just followed me and started just he just started liking my post more than my friends like my post like you know like throwing emojis and shit just really supporting. This is Mark. Yeah

throwing my shit up. We met him in We had a tour day in Vegas. He was like, What hotel you're staying at? We were in the wind. He pulled up to the wind, came into the lobby. He was like,

meet me down in the lobby. And it was like this like, Mark Warburg. Meet me in a lobby. Yeah, me in the lobby. And he just sat down with me in like the nice part of their lobby

and it caused so much attention. Like the hotel employees couldn't believe it. Everyone stopped for him. Oh, Chinese lady. Yeah. Little fat young kids. Everybody,

like everyone you could think about, just stop for him. And like, had the conversation with me like it wasn't happening and shit like and he just showed support from there and then one day he had a thing with concepts and i was like yo i'm pulling up but joiner was pulling up too i think he just checked you know like the temperature okay with them because i was all was fine i'll be around anybody and but he really like you know just put us in that room together and was just like i'm telling y'all y'all is stronger and together and shit like that and then joan ended up taking me on tour and

he got a big-ass fan base so that's It's not to Mark Wahlberg for that. For sure. What was that combo like, I mean, the details you can give in Vegas? Now, with Mark, we were just talking about our town. Like, you know, people like to, it's a lot of hatred, like, in Boston, in Massachusetts in general. Like, it's like our culture to hate on shit outside of sports.

Mm-hmm. We love sports, but people want to see you do good, but never too good. And he just, you know, kind of. That's everywhere, though. That's not just a mass thing. That's right up the block. Yeah, I mean, it's bad where we're from because we've never had success in music too. Yeah.

So like New York, you're going to let an artist fly. Like, hey, a. Bogie can fly because A.ab Rocky flew and all these people. It's like, but they really want to clip your wings if they never saw someone. It's like they kind of start panicking when they see an artist get a certain level of success. I'd be trying to tell people I'm not on, bro. I'm not JZ. Like, I cannot fix this.

this whole state. Right. You know, but. Have you ran into any of that, though? As far as, like, back in the hood, back home, you ran into, like, where it's like the people that you thought were, like, real friends and people you grow up with that know you away from music. Have you seen their energy change?

And it's like, yo, like, y'all are going crazy. Like, I'm not, like, I'm still here with y'all. Nobody, nobody that I really grew up with feels like that because they know, like, I'm solid. Like I'm a stand on my word I'm gonna do what I can do. I do have to break down to people that I have less money

than you think I have though. Yeah, yeah, that's like. Even if you don't, you gotta say. I don't care how I pop it on the gram. Like, this is prop money, man, putting in the Kodak dream. This is not my money, man. They turn this in 90 days.

Yeah, because I do, because it's weird because I do pop it on Instagram because at the end of the day, like I'm a rapper that people might be like, oh, he don't got mainstream success. Yeah, but here's $200,000, bro. And I got $400,000. $1,000 in Juulvium.

I need you to know that. I don't need y'all to know that. So it's like... For y'all, don't count my pockets. I'm popping it to them. Why don't I shadow band my entire neighborhood? Yeah, yeah. I said, yeah, you know.

But so it gets tricky like that because it's like I have to pop it to the industry. And that shit works. Like, it works. I'm telling you right now. If I up $100,000 on Instagram, it just reminds people. Like, don't get it fucking. up I'm not being pushed by a corporate machine and I'm not on these whatever, you know, these platforms, but I'm getting money off rap, all of rhyming words.

Don't ever try to play with me like I didn't make it. I made it, I made it, I made it. But now to my neighborhood and shit, like, hold on, man, hold on, tranquil. We need to take a step back and just think. Except for all the Haitian women, y'all can see it. And so, but then I have to remind my neighborhood like, smoke. folks, Buddha, Haas,

rah-rah, crook, my brother, S.K., Nip was just booked. Ten other guys. These is my friends. They're in jail.

All right. That's a bill in itself. 100%. Now, security. Because, so I don't put people in jeopardy where, you know, I'm a higher

armed security. You don't want your friends to be security. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? So now I'm hiring people outside of the team. I could go to cheap route. But, you know, I'm hiring people outside of the team, drivers, whatever. All this money is coming to make this shit look big and make this shit look grand.

You know what I mean? I'm reinvesting. So it's like I got to pop it to them and then reiterate to them. Yeah. Yeah. I get the branding outside of the safety in that as well. Like even down to where I was mad that you told, every girl in there to all dress in white and

Blancu. No, but the rest of us did, he didn't tell. Yeah. That's for you. Every man came in a different color. First of all, if you would have showed up to Millie's, Amelie's party in All White, that would have been the nastiest shit ever. You can't do that.

Which on closet is on? Oh, God, you can't do that. Yeah, all white would mean. That's just disgusting. That's not really my thing. Yeah. Who was some of the people growing up in Mass as far as, like, music that inspired you? Like, just mass artists that maybe people outside of Mass

never heard of. The people outside of mass, damn, it's like rappers that, like, damn, they never drop nothing. I say, smoke bulger. He was having motion. RIP, Rock, Ducati. Man, it's a few. Like, there was people with movements,

a guy named Lou Armstrong. He had a movement, like, where they would rap all the trucks and shit like that. You know, people like that kind of moving. Like, as far as, like, musically inspiring me. Even outside of mass. outside of mass I'm inspired by so many people

I don't know that's like I'm inspired about a lot like you know to this day so many people so I had a friend from I had a friend that got sent away to live in Florida

and he came back from Florida and he was introducing me to like cheesy and you know shit like that before it was really hitting and even more old school down south music like

boozy and pastor Detroit. So I was getting acquainted with like the down South sounds at the same time as I was really studying all the, you know, 50 cent and everything underground New York. But no, I'm inspired about everything still to this day. What was it like? Because I know obviously, you know, the locks was a big inspiration for you know, anybody that's into hip-up. A hundred percent. The locks got to be inspiration. What was it like when you first had that, you know, first conversation with Kiss and you felt like, oh shit, like me and Kiss about to do business together?

Like, what was that feeling like for somebody that obviously grew up listening to Jada and just being a fan of the locks? It's funny. I want to tell, like, the real story, you know? But, um, so I was always around Kiss and Kiss was cool as shit. Like, I did a feature with them through my men set free. Um, and then I just started popping up on them, like, at whatever flyer was posted. When I came to New York, I, like, would move by myself. I go to lust by myself.

like. Those are good days. Aces, RIP lust. Yeah. And it was like, I just had the sense, like I had so much baggage in Boston and Massachusetts in general that I just felt like, you know, I can move out here. Everybody, nobody got beef with a white kid out here. Like, they know who their ops are and shit.

I didn't have no jewelry at the time or anything. I'm going anywhere. I used to take the train to Starlett, for real. I'm on the wall in Starlitz now. I used to take the train to, I didn't even know how to take the train. I don't know this train system. Right. I know the red line and the green line.

But no, so I would pop up on Kiss a lot of times, and he was so cool. Like, he just made me feel like something. Like, we'd be in the club, and he'd see me. I'm outside of the VIP, like, no motion at all. And he'd see me staying on the couch. He'd scream on the bounce. Let him in, like, sit me next to him. And that was, like, my whole fucking moment in life.

I'd take the train back on Cloud 9. Like, oh, my God, my life is lit. on the train. But we never, yeah, for real, it ain't matter. And I was sleeping in the apartment in the Bronx with roaches. Wow, roaches. I'm putting powder down on all the, like, the roach powder. I got the roach spray, the glue the powder.

Everything. I got a, I'm telling me and Seth Free, we go into events like double XL events. And you see like the Lauren Hill poster, we taking shit like that. Yeah. And I'm like liming and so whatever you call them. I'm spreading it around my apartment. So, you know, in case I got a girl and a roach come through, like, it's shit like that, like, but I'm still on cloud nine because I'm, I'm cool with kids.

Right, right, right. You know, so I think that's gratitude to get you a long way. But, yeah, at one point, Ice Pick Jay, who was his manager, was like, yeah, you know, Millie can sing? Mm-hmm. KISS like, no, and he's like, no, Millie sings, bro. Fuck all the rap and shit. you should we need to take him as a artist and so he called a meeting and we went to kiss's crib and i was

all excited for the meeting and then it was just me set free and ice pick and kiss was like in the kitchen and he was like i'll talk about this later some shit like he was like to tell me when when like when the important shit comes up yeah but it was like pick was going to run the play and um pick ended up passing yeah probably like two months later and shit but like He essentially gave me the kiss, you know? And then Kiss ended up running a play, so real spiritual to me. But yeah, so that was like the first time we really talked about it. And then it was like after that, you know, there was a lot of artists that was down with Kiss.

But I just felt like I got to take the stamp and just make everything I can make of the stamp. Like people think when you get with an artist that they go, don't sign the artist. But it's like, no, don't sign the artist if you plan to just use that artist. this whole platform. Yeah. You know, like, create, create your shit.

You should be, there's people that could come in here off media and take, I work with Rory and Mall and literally just propel it and shit. All you need is the stamp. Oh, I could get you on FaceTime.

I could get you on FaceTime. That's all you need. Right. I could call Demaris right now. You don't believe me? Bad when I'm trying to start my own shit. And it was kind of like that. I had that stamp from kids,

so I, I'm running with that. I need this stamp. I don't need much more. Yeah. Especially as a rap, but if somebody like, you got somebody like kiss that you know is telling you like you dope and you know he fuck with you. Hell yeah. I don't think you need much more. Yeah, ultimate confidence.

Ultimate confidence for sure. And then from there it's just like once my name got big and I really got attached to him and the whole brand, I was like I got to, you know, protect this shit forever. And it's still things I do that like he won't approve of, you know what I mean? Whether they're showing money on the gram or whatever. Like there's certain things, but we're different people. Yeah, Kisses, he's the elder statesman now. Yeah, for sure. He's like, yo, why?

Yeah, yeah. He's like Tony Suprano and I'm like, um. Chris? Yeah, I'm like Chris for sure. Yeah. Without the cocaine. So a couple, the couple weeks ago they'd been running with this whole Mount Rushmore shit and they did the white rapper Mount Rushmore.

Right. And somebody who you had a little bit of, a little bit, I guess, of an issue with at one point, MGK Machine Gun Kelly, was, uh, he was on Mount White, was he? No, they love him. They love him. They love him off, yeah. So he was saying he should have been on it.

He should have to him, but he shouldn't be on there. Well, I know that you and MGK had y'all thing for it, but I, y'all have squashed your thing. What was that, what was the original, uh, reason behind you and MGK kind of having a little back and forth? It's going to make it look like I'm dragging it to talk on this joint, but like, we just knew each other super early. And, okay. Yeah, we knew each other super early.

and just fell out about shit. And, you know, I took my route to, I took my route to, you know, speak on him in raps and shit like that and trying to bait him into the battle. And he ain't go for the battle. Okay. Yeah. Do you have, you have, do you think? It meant sensibly, you know what I mean?

I think it was probably like risk assessment at the same time. Yeah. Because I do think he's a great rapper, you know what I mean? He could rap his ass off. I wanted that matchup. To me, it's like a boxer, you know? I wanted that matchup. Yeah.

Even, I mean, outside of his M reply, which I thought he beat M. The Jack Harlow reply that no one talked about when he left his million-dollar mansion with his... Wait, you felt like he got him in that battle? Yeah. I thought he was always... Because I thought he was on opposite size of that. No, I thought that G. Okay.

And the shit was cool. Don't get me wrong. But I really think MGK's hit better. But even after the whole Jack Harlow thing, which I even forgot how that even got started, I think it was just, you know... We can speak about it. We hate our own kind. Every white person is.

Oh, so we are like. All skin folk ain't kinfolk. Luckily, got you. You know what's crazy. But yeah, we try to be with other white people that are in space.

You know, it's crazy. And like, I don't know, they might wow on me on this, saying this on the podcast. But I swear to God, white people tried to stop me from getting into the rap industry. Like, on everything I love, bro.

Wow. I was never helped by white people Not the fans. The fans helped me. Right. The fans very clear. White people in the industry with the power to bring me up did not jack me at all. I mean, it's definitely-

Everybody who brought me up was had melanin. But why do you think that is, though? I don't know. But he just said it, so I'm just thinking about that. It's a thought I commonly think of. Like, it wasn't like what you would think it is. I think it's because I'm not from a white neighborhood. Okay. Okay. And so like that threw them off. I think they

you got to have a point of reference. So like your point of reference is either Malibu's most wanted or Tommy from power. It's like Where is there? There has to be a great area. So if there she don't exist yet You know, because people are people will rather go for like the the easy lie than the complex truth. So somebody don't want to dive into a complex truth and I have to tell that that story. But yeah, it was just like I felt like a lot of resistance and just like downplay, just trying, whether it was the blog era, whatever it was, I just felt like a lot of downplay from the whites, you know?

It's definitely a, it's a joke. We had this conversation. The fans, not the fans, not the fans, bro. We had this combo after Vlad said that shit. Vlad was on masks or whatever and had brought me up and talked about the white on white crime and hip hop hating each other. And I feel them because that is a stigma and something that is true. I'm joking because I feel like I've never been that way ever.

Everyone that's white. Yeah, I didn't get that from me. I didn't get that from me. I mean, listen, if you're a good, there's white rappers I hate. Don't get me wrong. But there's sometimes I'll see a white face and go, no thanks. Yeah, no, I'm good. People do that to me.

I get it. But it's behind the scenes too with media stuff. Like I haven't, like Rosenberg is the real. Everyone in white media I've had a great relationship with. But I know for a fact they have had really weird interactions with other white people in hip hop as well. I don't know if it's it's the guest thing that we're all trying to fight to to prove that we're the better guest. I don't really know where it comes from because I don't subscribe to it. But it does exist. Like it doesn't shock me at all that that's been your experience

when it comes to being behind the scenes. That's not really their thing. I mean, even like shit, how Mack had to come through with Wiz and everyone. Like Mac did become the darling of the whites, but he had to go through Wiz's camp. I mean, he grinned. He went to high school with all and everything, but that was still not the traditional way that say, I don't know. That's so interesting to hear, like, Millie say that, though. Like, no white people essentially... Because you got to think of everybody who put me on, bro. In the industry, yeah.

Like, it goes back to my neighbor, my first manager. And then, you know, set free brought me out to New York. Kiss, ice pick. People who show me love in the industry. Yomi put me in the B.T. Cipher. I didn't have PR or anything of that nature. You know what I mean? All the way to just the artist.

It's like, it's, you know, I ain't, I've been in a million meetings, I feel like with just people. But, like, I don't see it. But, you know. Well, I mean. That's fine. Like, that's why I show the money on Instagram. Yeah, like, listen. I got to it with the way.

Everybody in your little ass office at the universal. Look, right here. I'd be looking at dudes. I was like, my life is crushing your shit. My life is demolishing your shit. Crazy, stupid. As far as the music, are there any producers that you haven't worked with that you were like, damn, I would love to get like an entire project with this producer?

No, not really. No producers? Yeah, no, because now it's like the Millie's type beat thing is so crazy that I just have to find somebody original who's making a crew. crazy sound. And I feel like, I don't want to say rappers do that like when they're like, not hanging their career up, but it's more like an artistic thing after they already made it. And then like they do that. Like, I'm still trying to find hit records and shit like that. What's some your relationship will be?

Cool. It's like my sis for a for sure. Like we just, we relate to each other because we're from the same place. and um yeah she's she's just cool we we talk a lot of shit like outside of rap you know she's definitely cool people um before we get to our voicemails we were talking off microphone of your strategy of a hundred 100 men versus one gorilla and you seem to have this painted out like the general strategy of how we're going to get this done yeah hell yeah the hell yeah it's a lot of the subtle confidence And I love, you know why I love this because the only way to find out is it has to happen. You can't test this theory.

We're going to do it. Like, no, Peter got to take a step back and we just got to try. We need to do this. But yeah, give us the Millie's game plan, the execution on how. So, like, some of this, I was talking with my man, Mahley, and I was, and we were just saying, like, it depends on, like, the level of humans. So when people, we're just thinking, like, dudes who go to the gym and MMA fighters, you got to think about humans that. live in the jungle. That's what you're taking it.

We got to go get them. Think about dudes as not Tarzan. Like, um, like, Georgia the jungle. Like, like Apocalypse. Like, you know, there's still places, there's still places in Columbia and shit like that where they haven't seen civilization.

Oh, yeah. So you're saying go get them. Go get 20 of them. We got 100 dudes, right? Yeah. All right. But even like that one indigenous island that has all the people that never seen civilization

and they kill like one Christian every three years that tries to. You have to. That's not a gorilla. They're killing animals, bro. They live with the gorillas. They know the tactics of guerrillas. But they don't get a spirit. You know you sound silly, right? You know it.

He's trying to keep a shrily. He tried to keep it like his theory is trotting. No, no, no, no. Are there gorillas in Columbia too? Like, you just name the spot there. A Colombian gorilla. Just show them a brick. Let him get into the poppy field.

He's done. He's done. We got it. We got it. You're going, people from the jungle. Yeah. Different strategies. They just, they get climbed tree.

They do all types of shit. Just do jungles. Sumos. 20 sumos. 20 sumos. Okay. 20 sumos. That's first wave.

A gorilla is smoking every sumo in a heartbeat. They move like this. Nah, you're not thinking the weight of sumos, bro. You're going to use this. You use the sumos. you use the sumos essentially to sit on the gorilla. You got to pin the gorilla down.

Okay. So we got wild sumos, a few of y'all are going to be casualties, 10 dead sumos on the spot. Yeah, I think that's important to highlight that. Yeah. We're going to use the dead body. Bro, first of all, we're going to use the dead bodies.

Okay. So you take 10 dead sumos, RIP, stack them up on the gorilla somehow. Who's stacking the heaviest people on that? Look, you need like four. MMA fighters fighting they're going to be casualties too you got dudes picking them up eventually you just you swing the bodies whatever if you if you swing a sumo body hard enough

why why you're laughing this real shit Josh when we look up the average weight of a sumo body how you're swinging we're talking about the most strongest people on earth that do um yeah the jab the the the strong three three hundred thirty pounds all right okay 330 Do you think the gorilla is going to give us enough time to swing? Bro. How many pounds does the gorilla weigh? I think, measured by tons, I believe. Who's the biggest gorilla?

600. All right, 600. You throw a 300. 600 and agile. Sumo wrestlers are 300 and can't move. 450? We're going to demolish this thing. You throw a...

If you throw a sumo... How agile is a sumo? No, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. If you throw a sumo... Look, you see how it's standing right there? Throw the sumo into his leg, blah. Okay.

Shit like a kickstant and you're kicking the leg out. So break the leg. They're getting injured off. I promise a hundred men could be a sumo I'm dead-ass. Okay. They could do the tabletop. Remember tabletop of middle school? Someone get behind and then push them?

Look, you throw the sumos at it until this shit is hurt. Eventually you start stacking dead bodies on the shit. It's dead weight. Now the people are even heavier. Now you just fucking get tactical. You get people who've been growing in nails out or whatever. you stab the shit in the throat you do shit gash it

you just slowly attack it it's only gonna take about 20 human casualties the rest of the 80 dudes is going to pound it out and guerrillas have never laid a demonstration on they who have they killed outside of Godzilla movie but that's what I'm said I don't think we have any any any Caliphons excuse me

we did have a chimp there's no demonstrations though it's like a guy with a bunch of guns who never killed anybody that's true but we do have cases where chimps have attacked humans I believe one chimp completely ripped the lady's face off. A lady. Just, yeah, just, it was just like, but they were like at home.

You don't rip your shit off too. Yeah, they were just at home. I don't know that to matter. I'm going to say faces don't have gender. Like, it doesn't matter if it's a lady or man. That face is getting ripped off. But gorillas don't kill humans because humans are very rarely in the vicinity of a wild gorilla. I'm just saying, we have no demonstration and y'all are giving it 100 bodies.

Yeah. There's no demonstration. You made you double the murder rate in wherever. Like, what are we talking about? They were in, and we could clean this up, Pete. Pull up the clip where the gorilla... I got 40 humans, man. He dragged, it was like a photographer that was in, like, they were all, like, in amongst gorillas,

and it just dragged a photographer a few feet and let him go. Like, that is the funny, that clip right there. And it just dragged. I'm an animal lover, too. Yeah, look at that. Look at that. God damn, that is a big-ass gorilla right there. Stack their bodies on animals.

Look how it's just dragging that. Look, that dude looked like he shit all on itself. He was very calm, though. You better be. You better not look like you about to fight back. Maul, that's your demonstration? Will, air, I'm trying to tell you, bro. I'm trying to tell you.

It's not even a discussion. A hundred men will crush one of them shit. Bro. A punch has 700. You getting all it is. It's a lot of bark. Do you even see the hip movement on that? Bro, it said a gorilla has, one punch has.

776 pounds of pressure. One punch. That's why he's going to... Oh, excuse me. I had the numbers wrong. 2,700 pounds of pressure behind one gorilla. All right, but, all right, look,

if you play that clip back, right? This clip is looping right now. Mm-hmm. So if you watch this clip, right, when he punches the guy, when the gorilla, when the gorilla punches the guy, you'll see an outlet.

Look, right there? That's when you're throwing the guy. at his leg. Okay, so break the legs. That's what I'm saying. I don't even think the gorilla's standing straight up and doing all this Mike Tyson shit. Somebody with 2,000 pounds in a hook.

Look, break his... Throwing someone at his leg is going to stop it. A sumo wrestler. You throw a sumo wrestler at his leg with high velocity. Yeah, I just don't know the velocity we're doing with the sumo wrestler. With the strongest people.

Like, we're going to roll in like a bowling ball? Three sumo wrestlers to throw a sum, bro, this shit is possible. That's throwing one. the way that's not happening. So we're throwing the dead bodies. They keep showing these type of dudes. These is not the type of dudes that's going to beat the, like, you're giving

a wrong example. These dudes being a gym. But those are some M&M. They showed the MMA fighter in a ring with a gorilla like AI. You know, they showed that. But they're saying that a gorilla could bench press up to 4,800 pounds. All right. Are you, do you think you can't beat

a dude who goes to the gym every day? There's got to be, they're not talking about parts of the gorilla that can knock them out. Where's the nerves at? Where is his nerves at? It's covered by Teflon. It's covered by- That's what I'm trying to say.

I'm with you. The muscle-bound guy that be in the gym, if you don't know how to fight, you could beat them no matter what. I'm saying even if they don't know how to fight, somebody with 2,000 pounds in a punch, when they mush your face, that's like 500 pounds.

That's breaking your nose when they can go like this. Break your nose. All right. You start with the goal, bro. You break the leg on the gorilla. Listen, you break the leg on the gorilla, and then you chill until it starts really feeling pain.

Everybody get away from it. Get away from it. Okay. Yeah. Now it's really in pain. You heard it again. But I love gorillas. I would never want to kill a gorilla.

I'm just saying like, right, right. No, I really love animals. You would never get the chance, fool. I like how Millie said it. Like, he's going to be in the vicinity of a gorilla. I'm like, nah, you're good. I ain't going to do nothing. Yeah, ain't no.

Ain't, ain't, I can't. No, I just don't want to. Like, I love, I love animals. Like, I don't even like talking about humans killing animals, but we could, though. Oh, no. I think there's definitely. We have like news for sure. We can kill animals when we get weapons and things like that.

No, bro. Bear hands, bro. I can't believe you're not going for the sumo strategy. Just not a gorilla. Just not a super bad. We got 20 dudes from the jungle, 20 sumos, 20 MMA fighters. Okay, that's 60. Who you sacrificing?

They say in a 9mm can't even puncture in the skin. You think a punch will? Damn. I mean, but you could break a lead of them. I think it takes more than just throwing a sumo wrestler. I don't think we got enough facts on how long the guerrilla can fight for. No, their endurance is very short. That's what I'm saying.

There's a lot of facts that it's not being presented. But Millies, me personally, I just know that if you send in a wave of 20 men and the other 80 are standing back waiting for them to the cold. We send in 40. We send in 40. We send it 40. 10 casuals. And they're watching them run.

Once those 60 men start seeing that gorilla peel these grown men. in a part like bananas, I think some of those six they're going to be like, yo, I'm cool, I'm not going in there. They're not allowed. These is all, we're thinking about it on some gladiator, Russell Crow shit. They're not allowed to run. These are not the guys that's running. I'm talking about humans is here to die for this.

Like gladiator shit. 300 people like Yeah. Okay. No, not not 300 people, 100. From 300. I'm talking about the movie 300 that they were born and raised like as a child. You're born to die. We're talking about straight warriors. We're not talking about guys who are going to see this shit and run away.

Okay. All right, guerrillas don't have the same endurance. They're more likely sprinters than long distance runners. But at the same time, I'm taking their sprint over the sumo wrestler sprint and endurance. They don't have the endurance of athletes. What happens when you break his leg? It's done. Yeah, I just don't know if the sumo wrestler throwing up sumo wrestler at the leg is going to do it, though.

It's going to take a lot to break a gorilla. 330 pounds. You throw a couple of the motherfuckers. Or, like, when it's doing this thing, the sumo could just really try to pin it. it's leg down break that shit there's people that know how to yeah that's true I just think that you're thinking about breaking like a human leg I don't know if you don't the fact y'all are having this conversation and being serious has me peeing yo yo because you know what it is it's not serious to you

now I wouldn't be the dumb bitch getting in the ring with the gorilla that's y' you don't believe in a hundred men I don't believe in one man that's just a hundred niggins you don't believe in a hundred niggas you don't believe I asked chat GBT how do you break a gorilla's leg and said I can't help you with that. Your question is about gorilla anatomy, veterinary care, wildlife protection, I'd be happy to help. Can you clarify what your intent is?

That's why I'm trying to tell Peter, like, I'm not on this, like, for real. I want all the guerrillas to live. I think also, let me put the disclaimer. Anybody who goes and hunts wild game or whatever, you know, all them rich people, they go kill tigers and lions and rare animals, like, you're going to hell too.

Oh, for sure. But, yeah, like, just on this, just, you know, strategy of 100 men versus guerrilla? No, that gorilla's going to die. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me,

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Gorillus bones are nine times stronger than us. From Austin, Texas. And it's just a question about the rap music and stuff. Like, you know, I love the 90s, early 2000s. But y'all know all stuff right now is all gimmicky, like, what can come viral. How do you propose new rappers or rappers these days that are, like, coming up to make music like the 90s again? Or not exactly, like, make the exact same music. But how do you get to that genre of, like, the rap music being, like, a part of the pain and suffering of you growing up in life?

And you, like, telling your outlets how to get out of that stuff. Like, how do you propose people, music, get to that level of music again? That's a good question. Well, that, that's on the industry because that music is out there. Yeah. Leaf Ward, like equivalent to Nause. You break down his bar. It's no difference, bro.

He rap high, high, high, high, very high level. Mm-hmm. You know, and people from the 90s are so jaded from listening to the 90s. They're like, oh, my God, you said he's like, no. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? So there's the disconnect. with that, if you're looking for high-level rap, it's really out there and they're going crazy,

real pain music, mighty, real pain music. More than him, like, there's great rappers out there. I think it comes down, but, you know, TikTok definitely throws the shit off with the 15 seconds and all that. People don't want to ride, and, like, it's like people don't want to tune into something that makes them think anymore. We want to just, everything's so dumbed down, you know. So I don't know that.

I think that's on the industry, but just far. as the talent getting people back to rapping like that like people out there doing it's out there i mean and i think back to our conversation your records with albi like those are proven that those bring views in yeah and let's not act like there wasn't gimmicks in the 90s too it's always going to be gimmick you ever matter what is going to happen but i hate that mentality because if you go look at artists like you it's still working there's no crazy views over the people that are still yeah hard ticket sales crazy news of course we'll have to deal with ticot the 15 second shit but that's just always going to be the same thing people have to deal with t r

People had to deal with radio. Like, that's just the new version of that. It's still working. Yeah. Having that mentality, I think, is the issue. You have a, also to homie from A.Z, like, it might not have the 90 sound, but go listen to no cap. Like, this is an artist that's lit by all standards.

He's actually doing melody shit with all bars in it, though. Everything is bars. Rylow Rhaerigas. A lot of people won't. A lot of people won't. like put it in, you know, in their, in their mind that they don't got the, it's like it takes your air a little adjusting. But if you want that bars and pain and substances, it's out there too.

Like, no cap is phenomenal, you know. It is a lot of it. I think, like you said, I think just the way we consume music has changed. And I think that, you know, the fact that nobody can upload their music the same day to the same platform as a Beyonce or Kendrick or Drake, I think that fucks with a lot of it as well because it's like there's so much access that we have to bullshit. We have access to dumb shit, shit that we should never even hear, shit that we should never even see.

But because we all are on our devices and all on these streaming platforms, we're going to come across it. All shit is going to be pushed that maybe we would never even find, but it's being pushed. Like you said, because of TikTok, it's 15 seconds in the song that 100,000 kids are looking at that they thought was dope. Yeah, I didn't just spreading it. I didn't understand how bad that was until I talked with D. DJ and he was like, yeah, when I'm in the club, I got to play the sound from TikTok.

You got to keep you down, well, you got to, he was like, you got to, um, you got to play the sound on TikTok and skip over the rest of the song because they might know the song and the whole club goes crazy, but they don't know the rest of the song. The rest of the shit, so yeah. Got to make me know. I also think like consumers that are like my age and older need to also adjust their ears. Adjust, yeah, adjust your ear, man. Granted, I'm, early 2000.

2000s, it was like I really started to really, really get into music, late 90s, went back to 90s in my teenage years. So I still have that nostalgic feel like. When I was coming up, I have a different connection to it. So that sound enters my brain differently. I can't listen to this stuff now the same way because I'm doing a disjustice to what's out now. Why could I have those same ears? Because it's connected to a different part of my life. Like my childhood, nothing's going to sound that way. No matter what you were listening to as a kid, it's always going to sound and be in your heart way fucking different. There's plenty of guys rapping just as good as everyone in the 90s.

Just because it doesn't sound like the exact same fucking thing. Super fact. You need to adjust your ears. It's not the rapper's fault. And it's not the popular. Yeah, it's not the popular thing either. But if you want that, like, that is out there, you know? Yeah.

You just want the fucking same. No, nothing's going to sound like the first time you heard Nas when you were 10. Adjusting. It's never going to happen that way. Adjusting your ear and trying to trying to understand why something is lit is very important too. Like, you know, they say people stop listening to music or searching for new music after the age of 30,

like scientifically. It's not like my guerrilla theory, DeMaris. It's like a real fact I've heard. But people stop listening for looking for new music and they just hang it up. Whereas like the part of being, you know, youthful is just listening, like being excited about new shit. So when you're not excited to look at anything,

like I'm all, even if I don't understand it, I'm asking. like the youngans, like until I understand it, oh, this is why y'all like it. And then I try to listen from that standpoint. And a lot of the times I'll be like, oh, I see it. It's fire. I tried that with Ride Wave because I, like, I hear some songs from him and I love his melodies. I don't know if I'm just depressed or sad enough to really get into it.

But he was one of the artists that I remember, you know, asking a lot of younger guys like, yo, so why is it that you're really into this dude? Because every time I see him, he's in the fun. fucking sold out arena. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, clearly there's a whole wave here. Touch your heart, bro. He's following here.

Man. So I feel like I see that with Rod Wave. To me, Rod Wave is one of the, that's probably my most listen to artists. I listen to Rod Wave every time I take a plane. Every time I take a plane back from somewhere, that's my shit. Because you're sad that you're leaving? No, it's like reflection music. Like, if you listen to his shit, like already won.

It's sad to some people. Okay. But he's also, I don't know, it's just real life. me, I like, I don't like escapism music, like how a lot of people just listen to escapeism music, which is like club shit, like, let me just escape from my life. I like the shit that talks to me about what I'm going through because I don't have no therapist or I don't got nothing. So that's where the music is the therapy. And it just sounds fundamentally good. And yeah, I don't know. I love Routwey. No, I'm trying to, I'm trying to appreciate them more.

I'm trying to get more to the music. I recognize the talent. So, for instance, like, Scott Priority is a, is a song I heard from him. We were literally leaving like a little treacherous venue in Connecticut one night. And, um... Toads? Yeah, yeah. And Toads isn't per se treacherous, but New Haven. Yeah, depending on those around.

And there was some shit that was going on at the show, whatever. And we got into the car and I'm listening to Rod Wave and he's like, on the road doing shows all along. And somebody else. the city living wrong. Pray to God I can make it back home. Even if I don't, it won't be long. And I'm listening

to the shit. I just went through this shit. Like, just went through this shit. And I play that song a hundred times. I didn't want to hear another song for the next two weeks. So Broadway has that effect on people. Okay. You know what I mean? Where it's like, you might hear something that hit you so strong from him that you're like, I don't, now this

is like above music because this is like connecting with me on the therapy level. And that's what, and that's essentially what music is supposed to do. Right. So, yeah. And I'm big into just singing like the, you know, the, I haven't been as big into, like, the more newer R&B and shit like that, but, like, Raw-Wave brings that, that singing element.

Is, are we going to get, like, a R&B project for Millies? I love to, like, I said, Arn Blanco's hard. I mean, Arn Blanco. You know what I tell people to, like, my rapping. Oh, that's why, man, I got a freestyle going fake viral right now. but it's like it overshadows the other shit. I got millions of views on songs where I just sing. So I'd love to do that and be more known for that.

Like my core audience, everybody who buys hard tickets, they expect that for me. They love that. But that hasn't like, that's one of my goals to kind of push that more through to the mainstream that, you know, I do that. I think in this era, though, you can split it. Like, even if it's not Arn Blanco, even though I think it's a genius name, people having different series of stuff

has always been even in hip hop even if people that were just rapping this is just going to be my freestyle over other beats and then here's my original music I think you can still do an R&B EP something along those lines I think that can go. And I don't even consider it it's more like

because I'm not trying to like sing I got a song called high beams though they got like it's own little core audience and that's the most I like really was singing I'm gonna send out to y'all but that's Yeah, if I can make like a project like that, that would be hard. We were also, before we get out of, we were talking off, Mike.

You brought up a really, really good question. Max B is getting out in November from what we understand. What should Max B's first move be getting out of jail? I thought that was a very, very interesting question. Yeah, I thought, I think, I believe he should just get straight to Max B, silver surface shit, makes tape. I mean, obviously. His sound is kind of what's now.

No, no, 100. It fits everybody, you know, the melodies and a lot of the styles that, you know, Max had with the whole silver surfer and all of the, you know, the mixtapes that he was putting out just the sound is very relevant right now. But I think obviously when he, after he gets adjusted to being home, family gets that out the way once he's ready to get back into music, I think that we need a silver surfer mixtape. And I mean, outside of getting adjusted family and, you know, not rushing, like get your life back. together. I think outside of the sound being what Max was doing, Max was the content king during the DVD era.

You took the word. We are now in the content era. Max B. I don't even know you should touch the studio yet. Let everyone reintroduction to the world as the fucking comedian personality,

amazing person that we know Max B to B through the DVD era. I don't even know if we need a song from him for the first few months. No, we need a song. People want to hear Max, he bent through some shit.

But that's kind of like Smurter, like Bobby Smurter got like a big personality. Mm-hmm. But I feel like... You think Bobby should have dropped straight out? No, I think he should have chilled a little bit longer, to be quite honest. I don't think he dropped, like, fresh out, though. He didn't. And I think he should have taken more time.

Right now, though, the attention span of the public is so crazy. When you get out of jail, you kind of got to ride that momentum, like... Bobby was in that position, though, that he could have taken... He's one of the few people because of the story and the anticipation he could have really, really taken his time. But I don't know what's going on in people's lives, who needs money. But that's what I'm saying. I don't want to judge it. So, boom, when whatever rapper gets out of jail, man, I feel like you got, you know Rio the young OG?

Come on, he came straight to the PJ. You got to go PJ. They got to give your advance from your record label and cash. You got to pop it that day. If you want, that's how I think, like, because you're going to get a lot of free publicity and you got to ride that shit. So I think the quicker you could get to it, like Rio de Young O.G came home and got right to it. I think I'm not going to lie. I think Max got to get right to it.

He's in a not, like, I hear you, especially with certain rappers. He's a lot of sure. It's how much is the older generation going to support him, like, though. I think they will. I think not only with the older, like, he just had, you know, Supreme just dropped his T-shirt. So we obviously know Supreme being a, you know, a streetwear brand, a lot of, you know, young people are attached to that brand and support that brand. It sold out, which so which means, you know, people are, people know who Max is. And if they don't know, they heard about it, they want to be affiliated with the story of Max being who he is.

So I think that Max comes home, obviously, you know, get his family orders in line and things of that nature. But I think he has plans on getting right to the music. I believe he's got a thousand. songs written. I'm pretty sure he had a bunch of me. I think that's the way you got to come home like Pock. You got to come home like, yeah. Do the older, does the older crowd matter with someone like

Max? And hear me out. Hear me out. The way I'm not, I'm not comparing Max B to Charleston White or Bucy whatsoever. I'm just saying older people that are dominating the media space because of their unique personalities, I think these young kids, without even knowing who Max B is, is going to gravitate to them. He's that type of personality.

Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. So I don't know if he needs to go to have to rely on the connections that he had when he was free. Like, even though a lot of those people are still moving and shaking, does he need him? Yeah, no, he's a different type of talent. Personality-wise, he's going to go crazy regardless. I just think in the state of music, like, where we're at now, it's like people almost stop giving a fuck about rappers coming home from jail because so many rappers come home from jail where it used to be like, you know, like a big. rollout yeah and so I was just thinking like music wise he's gonna do

phenomenal either way but it's like music wise I would think just on the strategy right to on a strategy yeah found out to have the attitude of coming out and getting right directly to it drop a song first 72 hours like go or something just big in the media you know what I mean like who do you think you know you first big feature what's what's the first big record that he mixes. That's the most effective thing, I think. That was how Max made his name. And now the

shit, the game recycles itself all the time. We even see the biggest artist not even going to streaming anymore. Max, if he doesn't monetize his shit, could wrap over every big record out right now on YouTube. You know what y'all, this is going to bear with me. Okay. You know

what I would love to hear Max on? Just because his melodies and his style and his voice and his flow, I would love to him on No kid. Oh, that's not a crazy take it all. I would love to hit Max. No, that is like designed for Max B.

I would love to hit Max B on No kid. No. That, yeah. Nah, he could float on a lot of shit. I would love to hear him. He's on the hook. Yeah, I would love to hear him on baby girl. I would love to hear that.

And I mean, even with everything going melodic, like, Max has not even seen what tune can do on Pro Tools right now. Mm. Like, with everything going full melodic, who knows if Max, is even going to rap. Oh, he's going to rap. Yeah, but I think he's going to sing for sure. Oh, no, oh no, that's, he has to.

That's his thing. He has to. All right, Millies, well, we appreciate you coming by, kicking with us, man. Always good to see you. Blanco 7 is available now. And whenever you're ready to start Arron Blanco, let me know. I want to end all the first few sessions, man, get that shit going. Yeah, yeah.

Because I heard the ride wave. I hear the vocals. I hear what you doing there. But anytime you're in the city, well, you always hear me. I told Roy, I said, man, Millie's lives in the year. No, I appreciate y'all. man. And we got to catch a Boston game.

Boston Knicks. Yeah, I'm gonna get out of the, yeah, I think the Knicks are gonna make it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna get out of New York for a while until I. To the cool down to the playoffs, cool down. Yeah, until the playoffs cool down. Yeah, because you can't be in the garden with that Boston shit if we're in the playoffs. I'm not going to Madison Square garden. Yeah, no, you can't do that.

I'm cool off the, I go like to regular games and shit. Like, I can't go when the Knicks fans is like super delusional. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy. So you mean all the time? Yeah, every game is the Knicks fans are delusion. Yeah, yeah. But that's what makes it fun, no?

Oh, no, it's fun times. But as a die-hard Celtics fan, yeah, we're ops for real. I hope we even making a second round, but let's not act like the Celtics don't look a little shaky. Now, now, can we do this? Will you come to a Yankee game with us? Me, you and Rory, at a Yankee game?

I feel like that's worse, no? Yeah, but it's-y games, people don't really care like that. If we went to a Red Sox game in Yankee shit, it'd be a problem. Yeah, it'd be a problem. At Yankee Stadium, people don't really care about that. Not a real problem. Yeah, I think that's just over. hyped. I'll go to a Mets game with you.

Are you a Mets fan? You ain't fucking. I wear a Mets hat and shit like that. Because you're like orange. He's so mad. He's not fucking. He don't even want to go in Yankees. I could have did a Yankee hat with this right here. You're like, nah, fuck tight. In the event that the Knicks and Celtics

do meet in the second round, if Maul and I drive up to Boston, would you even be seen with us if we went to the Boston Guard? Of course, no. Just not in Nix gear but look no but I'm gonna wear my nix shit nah nah nah nah I can't walk with y'all into the ball

no disrespect but like I'm literally a walking shamrock though I look like nobody got a OG jersey pound you and I gotta keep it moving because like it's just political bro but um you know they're gonna bring up to I guarantee if we play the Knicks they're gonna say oh look Millies were a New York

Knicks jersey courtside with Davies at a at a Madison Square Garden game yeah that was a Patrick Ewan jersey. That's a fat. Who is from three streets from me. My neighborhood, hero. There you go.

There you go. I sort of connect. I knew the connection. Yeah. I knew to connect. You know what I'm trying to pull that car. There's also no Knicks, like Celtics rivalry like that. That's not a thing the way it is Red Sox Yankees.

Y'all want that though. Like, it'll have, New York fans are so crazy that as soon as y'all get like nice, I could just see it. Oh, no. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm saying we've been so trash for so long. I remember when y' out the playoffs before when we had like KG and shit. And Fat Joe tweeted something.

He was like, he was like, Celtics, we love you. It's just our time right now. And I was like, oh, man. It's never been a name. Never been a time. No, every year it's our time. It's just delusional, yes.

Delusional fans, yes. But a a lot, Millers. We appreciate you, man, and we'll see you soon, man. Love. A win is a win. A win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me.

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