New Rory & MAL - Episode 369 | Family Therapy (w/ Pour Minds)

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

This was a wild one. Rory & Mal are joined by Drea Nicole and Lex P. of the "Pour Minds" podcast. Right off the bat, Rory wants to to clear the air on Lex calling out Mal on another pod (4:26). Lex confronts Rory about the HennyPalooza breakup and Drea has a problem with how he allegedly did one of her girls dirty (24:50). Plus, the girls speak on their recent success with the release of their new show "Travel Queens" (1:03:03), and they give advice to a caller who has been paying for his girl's rent just to be cheated on (1:33:58). #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Why? I have known I've known Lex for I have no fucking idea how long I've known Lex all Lex is a fucking celebrity now that shit's hilarious to me I know Lex from

Orange Texas Port Arthur Texas I don't even know this this new fucking Lex You don't know Atlanta Tech Lex I have written in the back of a pickup truck from Houston to Port Arthur

Yeah No but the back of a pickup truck Like with the wind and all that shit Okay this is how long I've known this girl. The fact that she is, this now actually makes my heart warm because I do love it to death. I was introduced to Drea through her. I am here with people that I respect and love and I cannot explain how excited I am that they are finally getting everything that they deserve. I love everything that's going on with poor minds. I love everything that's going on with the

permit. I wasn't invited to premiere though. Even though I was there from the beginning, I was a first guest on IG Live. I've been there from the rip. I was on there when the third host. I have been since the fucking beginning with these two. Yeah. That's how small the fucking world is. They're popular because they're talented. Right.

I just also find it funny that the podcast world is so small because I don't know these two from podcast shit. Yeah. That is crazy though. Not even a little bit. Not even at all. But with that said, it's time for smoke. Yo, why you said that about more?

Okay. I'm picking it off. And you thought you smoked it. I did not. No, no, no, no. And you felt good when you said it. What I said. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I remind me what I said. I don't remember. I did because it was something about the Trump stuff. Yeah. Right. Big four, five, fours that. Yes. It was something about the Trump stuff.

People are abusing their, their platforms of that. But you say, yo, I take the check too. But it's because I agree with it. I was joking. Nah, no, no, you're a serious fucking tone. I was joking. Y'all know me on. I mean, I stand by what I said.

It ain't no beef. But you don't remember what you said. I don't remember what I said. How you said? I was on a podcast and they were asking me about like. It was your podcast. No, it wasn't. It wasn't our house.

See, you don't even remember. Of course I don't. Because I said what I said. But he was asking me about like, you know, how people. Oh, I remember. I was there. You know, with the politics and things going on. And I said, I think it's very dangerous for us, especially as people of color.

You don't understand this. She said Ambarron. old pseudo. Yeah, I was calling out for everybody. I said it's very dangerous as a person of color. So this election was very serious. By the way, calling out everyone and it just be mall and Amber Rose is not calling

up. The point that I was making is she said more than just mall. She said more than one person. But to be fair, I never told nobody to vote for him, though. I never said go vote for them. But you don't have to, though. The thing is, though, you niggas literally put money bags under pictures now just because you did it. And I was

saying we have to be careful what we say because even though you said you didn't say go vote for Trump if you say oh I like Trump people gonna be like man big bro Maher said so I'm finna up you know what I'm fidd to do they're gonna check that ballot just because they think you did I'm saying though okay I think people should use their platforms responsibly but I don't think anyone respectfully went like oh if mall is like yo I think Trump is funny because mall never really if you go through everything mom never said like yo go vote for Trump I didn't vote for him Exactly. So if you just say, yo, I think he's hilarious and this and that and he gets misquoted.

I don't think anyone sat there and was like, yo, I'm going to vote for him. No, I didn't vote. Well, like I said. Well, he's a felon, so he can't. Well, that makes it. We didn't know that. I'm not a felon. Why are you listening?

I'm not a. He can't vote. I can absolutely vote. Okay. My heart goes out to the feeling. Okay. I think they should be able to vote. Yeah, they should.

They let everybody else. Yeah. But it wasn't no beef. I ain't got a money bag under my picture since. Oh, I said, yeah, damn. That's not true. That's not true. What's not true?

Where my money bags are? I believe your birthday was after that, no? I don't know. I can't remember. And for your birthday, I definitely was under your post. He said, but it's the last one. That was the last money bags I got. You y'all know I'm not like that at all.

Y'all know I'm not that guy at all. I'm not that guy. No, but I will say I came to New York a few months after that, and I see Rory, we were at the 40-40 club thing. Roy, first thing he said, he said, I don't know if I can talk to you. I said, oh, now he beefed up with me. Just so you know, I ride for you no matter what. I said, I don't even know if I can rock with you.

He said, oh, I don't know if I can talk to you or not. Yeah, see, I heard about that too. I said, hello, Dre. These niggas got beefed. They want to beat them. No, never that. Shit. In these podcast streets, y'all won't beat?

Never that. Never that. That's what I was like, because I think we had came to New York last year. year and we did a few podcasts and we were trying to record with y'all and y'all schedule was booked I said oh they mad at it they're trying to fuck it no no no it actually was it was Chad it was

but I wanted to make clear that maybe it wasn't I wanted y'all to think that we didn't want to talk to you oh that's what we know I would never I would never carry it like that but he always still leave the money bags on the mind so I was like well I mean I guess we said it was just me per usual never why are you trying to pay me

a guy I'm not that guy can we bring up Drea and Lex IG and just go through Can we add up the money bag emojis? Yes. It's giving big bees. Honestly, you just don't see clips.

You don't really, we don't have a, oh, there's going to one right there. We're talking about you just going to see clips. Clip that. God damn, the first one. Holy shit. Let's go.

And I got extra on that one. Okay, so let's talk about it, though. Wait, hold on. Can we count those? Because it's a slide. My eyes is bad. slide. It's for like both pictures. You got to go to the next picture on the on the on the on the on the on the on the

on the post. So we got to divide the money bags by the picture about a piece. I mean it's it's a ratio it's a fraction. The more content she's given us we got to know we got to think of it. That's all. Yeah. It's. It's a equation of pies. And then look at the caption. It don't get no better than this. I agreed with it. I'm here. I was my way of. I was wrong.

See what I'm saying? That's all. Wow. Wow. Wow. You know the fact that you Okay. Okay. Yeah. That's fair. I'm mad at it. same. Let's see how many I got. My turn. Lex got someone.

Lex, I don't got no money bags. While we find Lex's, I have to ask you, because we've always asked Mall this, but never a woman that had it under their page. How do you feel about the money bags? Like, what does that do? See? Like, yeah.

We've never been able to ask a woman that. It's like winning a Grammy or Instagram Grammy. I feel like if Mall is not under your photo with the money bag. There you go. See? See what I'm saying?

That looks like 60. See what I'm saying? Let's do it with me like that. This is how y'all be trying to paint me. Don't do you like that. That is my birthday. That is my birthday. Yeah.

That is my birthday. But I feel like if mall is not under your photos with the money bags, are you really dead girls? I swear, I tweeted that a few years ago. He's an Instagram staple. I said, I know I'm bad now because I finally started getting my money bag. A pioneer. Yes.

Oh. Okay. You took a couple of. But I know he took a couple of. How many of you got? 57. You know what I said? Or shy.

Let's try to say I won't be putting money bags on the help. Don't. Don't pay me like that. Do you literally count them though? No. Oh. He just like. That would be insane.

Yeah, that's not. I'm not. I'm not dedicated. That's like a different type of autism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I'm stimming, when I'm stimming, that's when I do it.

Okay. So to the money bag ratio. Yeah. Since you're very political, obviously, since what you said about more, it's very tapped in, like very into what's going on in the world. Does it dilute because he's under every single person's photo? I'm not under every single person. Like, is it ruining the dollar?

The same way. Is it the same value? If he's under everybody's shit, is it really the Grammy? But he's not, though. That's the theme. He's on a lot of people. But let me tell you what I. Questionable sometimes, too.

Which one? Name them. No. You know, the reason I say it doesn't dilute because I don't know who she, but every time I do see him, it's a baddie. So it's like we're in good company. Some dudes I see they be under girls pictures with a hard eyes. I'm like, you're just liking anything.

But I will say he's pretty consistent. I've never seen anybody like under an eight with money bags. I will say that. So that's why it's kind of like, not everybody just. Oh, damn. You got an intense research department. You know you've reached a. Official batty status when mall dropped the money bags under your pitch.

I mean, that's the fact. This was April 3rd, 2020, and then right after that, she chose Kamala and it was over. That was a few years later. I have to stand with my black queen, Rory. Sisterhood. I love y'all, but did y'all, how did you feel about seeing Meg the Stallion up there, though? Well, this is what I think. Okay, tell me what you think, Joia.

I think that considering the fact that she. Like looking back. that she put her bid in very late in the game. I think they were just really trying to get the votes. So I don't think they had the best campaign, to be honest. And I think that they thought that, yeah, like, okay, let's get all of these celebrities to co-sign. But even if she would have had her name in the ballot early. Right.

Do you think it was a good idea to have Meg the stallion up there doing body, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. The baddy support Kamala. Why not? I don't think it was a terrible deal. She dated Montel Jordan. Looking back. Like looking back, it's definitely cringing. She is a baddie.

Looking baddie. Looking back, Megan Estallion had nothing to do with Kamala losing. No, no, no. I'm not saying. No, no, that's my, but I'm answering. She knows what I'm saying. No, but that's what I'm saying. I don't think it hurt her campaign at all.

Everybody's going to have something to say because she would have had Beyonce on stage. They'd have been like, oh, my, well, no, I'm saying performing. Oh. Everybody would have been like, this is a, this is not a celebrity thing. This is so serious. I mean, I feel like she was trying to touch the, younger audience. And who would be better right now than Megan, especially young

black voters, they're going to, again, like I said, they look at her old, Meg is voting for Kamala, big sis. Taylor Swift? Just like they big bro. Taylor Swift said something. I think that's the problem. It's just like. Okay, so why do y'all think that was a issue? I'm going to tell you why body was good. Oh, not with what she did. I think it's a problem for America. That was kind of

what her campaign was about. It really was. About what? We're trying to get our rights back to our bodies with the abortion laws and stuff. So I really think that's the angle that they were really trying to go for. Yeah. Yeah. I really do. So it did it work? Look at. No. I just don't think celebrities I just don't think celebrities do anything for campaigns. I really don't. The same way and of course were Z-list celebrities, but that's why I was laughing when when you when you said that shit about

mall was like, do you really think mall had anything to do with Trump's? No, but like I said, y'all is underlining your power. No, I got I understood what you were saying. I didn't take no ill-feeling. Yeah, it wasn't person, but like I said, you just have to be careful what you say, because sometimes I would say something joking and people would literally hold on to it and fake it as fat. For sure, you know what I mean? So I think, but I agree with you with the celebrity thing because when did he did vote or die with John Kerry and he didn't win, you know what I'm saying? So I think we put too much pressure and relying on these celebrities to speak out. The fact that Taylor Swift spoke out and it still didn't do anything. So I think this was a lesson for everybody to really go and vote in your local elections.

pay attention to what's going on and stop watching poor minds to get your political opinions. Let's feed for presidents. I'm being honest, because I'm very into politics. This is the first time I've actually really, I don't really like to talk about politics on camera and stuff because it gets a little.

But I'll be knowing what's going on. And I really want other people too as well. It's important. And same because I mean, I have my tinfoil hat and conspiracy shit, but we were talking to DDG today as well. And we're just talking about how the campaign shit will probably end up being on streaming

in the next three years. Oh, absolutely. The next presidential candidate, I feel like, is going to sit with DDG in three years. And I was like, yo chat. And I was like, no, dead ass. Yes. And I was like, I just don't think we're the people that should be talking to them. I'm going to agree.

But even with podcasting, don't y'all think this shit is like so crazy? Because I remember when y'all were on podcast and then we had just started poor minds, it wasn't really that many people podcasting, like pre-pandemic. Yeah. Now it's just podcasting is so. crazy. Everybody wants to have a podcast. It's like 50 million podcasts. Everybody think they're funny. Everybody think they can monetize off of it. Everybody is realizing how lucrative it is. And now everybody is doing it. Like, how do y'all feel about that being some of like the people that were

at the forefront and starting in the beginning? I don't feel anything towards it at all because I've seen I've seen the mixtape wave. I've seen the I'm going to be a fashion designer wave. Everyone just goes to the wave that's happening at the moment. And, It all fails and the people that are actually talented continue on. So I never really cared when everyone hopped on the wave because I already knew what time it was. And that's actually why I give y'all so much credit because during that wave, y'all succeeded when everyone was trying to do a podcast. So talented people and people that have core fan bases are the only ones that are going to survive this whole thing. I've watched everyone try to create a T-shirt when we found out that it costs $10 to do a...

Yeah. Like, I've seen, it's just the wave. Everyone hops on a wave no matter what it is. So. But when you have something in a subject, it lies. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I think.

That's why I mean, I don't mind. You know, you go into a grocery store. It's a thousand different sodas in the aisle. Mm-hmm. And we all never complain. Like, God damn, it's too much, too many sodas. Like, the best soda people are going to buy it, though. It's going to be in their fridge.

It's going to be in their house. So it's the same as podcast. And it's going to be a lot. But what's soda y'all think of. You are, people was mine Coca-Cola when they had Coke in it. Mood. You know, let's head mood. That's kind of crazy.

Speaking of, let me get some of that deal. You know what I'm saying? Let's get it cracking up in now. I'd actually rather ask y'all that question. Why? Because we, I mean, we've been in this shit since 2014-15. I'm actually curious how y'all navigated that when y'all came in during the boom. Like, because y'all superseded everybody that was trying to do, I guess, the similar thing of, like, two attractive women.

That was like a stereotypical pod. But to pop our shit real quick, though. It was. I feel like we were the pioneers of that shit, like, respectfully. But I feel- The pioneers or what? Like, I feel like we are the two best friends who started podcasting, and then we made everybody else feel like,

okay, I can start a podcast with my best friend and we look good. Oh, we think we're funny. Let's get in front of camera. Like, let's show people our personality. Everybody said, we funny. Let's do it together. I feel like we kind of started it. It's like bad bitches wasn't really

because we were on Instagram just showing an ass. It wasn't like, oh, put the bad bitches on the mic because I remember the day you started showing ass on Instagram and I was like, this is not the Lexi-Doo, Red do, rent-do. Rent-do, rent-do. I remember the game. I remember the exact day.

I text Kellyn. I was like, yo, let's show an ass on Instagram now. Yeah, red-d-meet. I mean, I think it's a perception that people have of girls that are on Instagram who look a certain way, who have a certain amount of followers. Like, people automatically assume, oh, you don't have no personality.

you don't have anything to say. So I feel like we kind of started that wave of girls who look similar wanting to start podcasts. To speak on what, because I knew Roy when I lived in Houston. So you didn't even before I moved to Atlanta. So when I moved to Atlanta,

that's when the picture started. But it's also like, I'm posting these pictures, but we were starting our YouTube channel. So it's like you see this ass, psych! Come to my YouTube page. And we will post that link every day.

Got you. Back, we used to do a clip in a shit all the time. We would be battling on Twitter. She will post a bikini pick. I will post a bikini pick. It will go viral. Then we would put the link for poor minds. Go watch their shoes.

Yeah. I feel like being fine should be the catalyst to get people to see what else you're doing or to promote whatever. Like I think I think horrible decisions. I think wheezy and Mandy are bad bitches too, all that. I think y'all are just separate in that because they were talking about something specific. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Y'all were kind of, I guess, on our wave of like what's going on currently type of thing. We were talking about life. Everything. Yeah. dating music. Like one of our biggest segment on the show is Bop of the Week and we talk about music. So it was just, it's like a lifestyle podcast and we were like navigating Atlanta. And like I said, yeah, like I'm not saying that Mandy and Weas aren't bad because they definitely are beautiful women.

That's not what I'm saying. But especially in the South. It's different. There's no podcast in the South still now that's like really booming like that. Like New York was the mecca of podcasting. So not only did we have to say, okay, we're Southern women trying to do this, but we also. just had to be constantly entertaining and bringing something different because everything had already been done. I agree.

But it was like the stuff that we were talking about at the time, women weren't saying that on the mic. Oh, yeah, if a nigga want to fly me out, this is what's going on. Yeah, I had a man take me to the mall and buy me a $10,000 Chanel. People were scared to talk about that because they're like, oh, I don't want to look like a whore. Well, bitch, I got news for you. We some whores. Okay. It's okay.

Pause. I was never a whore. I mean, not a whore, but you know what I'm saying? We was having fun. Ish or ish. We all had that time. You know what I'm saying? We wasn't scared to say that.

Now people are like, oh, I want to say it. Oh, we already did it, boo. We were not emulating anybody. I always tell people, I feel like y'all, you know, y'all, y'all, y'all do a great job of letting or making guys feel like we're a part of the group chat. Oh, yeah. Like, that's what Paul Mons does. Like, some of the shit I've heard y'all talk about, like, I laugh at because I'm like,

we would have, guys would never hear these type of conversation. Yeah. Oh, facts. You know what I mean? Like in these type of, quote unquote, secrets that y'all kind of let exposed to your audience. But I respect that and I appreciate that. Yeah, I don't mind putting the guys on game.

And I feel like that's why the show has elevated so much so because it is like, damn, this is an insight to what women really be talking about with their home girls and having conversations with their home girls about when we're not around. Right. Yeah. I think, and like I said, at the time, it was nothing like it. Yeah, it wasn't. I mean, as much as podcasting was a big thing then, we were unique to.

the market at that time. You know what I'm saying? Versus now, I feel like everybody. We're kind of all doing the same shit now. But we, and this was actually some advice that you had gave me like early in the beginning, like when you were working with Joe and all them, y'all were like, don't have guests on the show. Make it about y'all.

Make people. And we were like, okay, so we're not going to have guests. And we literally did not have guests because y'all told us not to read, four years. You were like, make people fans of y'all. You don't want to have an episode where you like, you have Rory on the show and 100,000 people tune in. Then next week you got 100 viewers because they only came for. Rory.

So I think that's what we did good as well. It's like we made people want to see Drea and Lex. Y'all personalities. So now in 2025, when we have guests, it don't matter who it is. They'd be like. They be so mad. Yeah. Yeah.

We had guests the last three shows. Yeah. Because y'all have a cult following. Yes. Once you build that cult following, they fuck with you for you and your personality. They're here to see Rory and Moll. They're here to see Drea and Lex. They're not here for the guests.

Right. So. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's all right, y'all. That's what I said. I'm going to turn to pull my eyes. How's your homie doing that fought in the green room at Palooza in Atlanta?

What? Jordan. Yeah. Oh, my God. Jordan. You are so messy. Oh, we could get messier. Oh, my God.

Any Palooza days is crazy. Well, that's when I feel like I met Rory. Yeah. I feel like I met you at Hennie Palluzza. Oh, my God. I think. Yeah. Because it was before Ducey.

Yeah, well, for sure. Before y'all even did the show, yeah. Right. So Jordan is great. actually. He was just in Atlanta fighting everybody. He was. He was going through something? No. He was he was being himself. He was fighting his demons.

They know what I'm talking about too. Has he made peace with himself? No what? Uh-uh, Rory. We ain't doing that. He's married. He has a wife. Yeah, no, I'm happy. Amen. But yeah, so he was just in Atlanta last week, two weeks ago for our premier party. Yeah. I like Jordan.

Yeah, Jordan's cool. I love Jordan. Beach laughing. Because he was there. Why he was there? No, you don't. I like to forget my Hennie Pallooza day. You were there?

Oh my God. Yeah, Hennie Palluzza was a wild time. Y'all remember when y'all had Fabo and me and Kiki was on stage doing a dance lifting our heads up. I mean, our legs. There's a picture of me from the Atlanta Hennie Palluzza. I had on my white outfit and my vans. I'm sitting on the couch and my legs in the air.

And I'm like. And Fabb. Ma was trying to get an appearance. Oh, trying. She's a star of the show. Yeah, we have that picture. Josh want to pull it up? I don't trust y'all's research department.

I don't know what's going on over there. Please don't pull that picture. The funny is they're really about to find me. Oh, my God. The more. Well, I kind of feel like they've gotten Hollywood on us. Why? Because we were friends, like, for real at one point.

I feel like we're not really friends like that anymore. Why do you feel that way, Roy? Because before your podcast fame, we was friends. We were friends. And we actually used to text each other and talk a lot. If I'm being honest, I feel like if I'm being honest, for real. Whenever the henny paloosa thing kind of happens and the friend group of y'all kind of split up, I think it kind of just like split everybody up and things got weird.

Like, things got really, really weird. Why would not? me. Why when I get you in the divorce is what I'm saying? Well, okay, but you did. You did. Because I remember something was going on on Twitter. And it was when the Hennie Pallooza stuff blew up and somebody had posted my picture with, I don't want to even talk about that. But they were like, oh my gosh. So Lex was around and she knew that all this was going on. Nothing was going on. Nothing was going on. But I'm like, how am I? Why am I in it? I was drunk the whole time. And I had a good safe time. Nothing happened at any, nothing happened at any Paloza period, even based off any

allegations. Right. Right. So. Josh, you grab this together? No, we have a therapy session. It's been years with them. No, I've been wanting to ask these questions. Right. So whenever that happened, I remember I had said something, I was like. Yeah, I didn't like that.

No, but I said something in respect for y'all. I was like, I didn't know. I say I had a say, I always had a good time at Hennie Palooza. I don't know what y'all are talking about because they were pulling up pictures of me and Chris and saying like I knew when I was like, I always had a good time. I'm not saying anybody's story isn't true. So when that happened, somebody from the friend group, was like, you need to delete that.

I'm like, I'm not saying anything bad about you guys. I said I had a good safe time and I didn't know if anything to the, anybody that was alleged victims, I didn't know what was going on. And I had nothing to do with that. Yeah, you made the list on screenshots. Yes, I was in all of that shit. It's joking about the mall thing and the Trump thing. I was really tight about that entire thing.

Because I really felt like you and I had spent so much time together and you knew how safe my crew was. Yes. You know how we treated it. everybody. I felt the fucking way about that. I really did. Because you know for a fact, everything was safe when it was around us no matter what. Like, we were the most

respectful people ever. Yes. And I said that. I felt, I felt the way about it. Well, when I made the statement, I said, I said, I felt safe. These are my guys. They are cool. And then when I got a text message, it was like, I didn't say anything wrong. I was on y'all's side. But at the same time, I am a woman. So I don't

want to negate anybody's experience that they might have had. So with that being said, I did text you. So why comment on it? Yeah, no, because I was pissed. Well, what am I supposed to do? Because you know anything that happened around us was the safest thing ever. And I said that, though.

And maybe it wasn't good enough for you at the moment. It wasn't. It's still not. Well, you know what? So you wanted her to stand up more online. Just don't even talk about it because you know, anytime when it comes around us, we are the gentleman, the most safest, the safest people that you could be right. We'll check anybody that's doing some weird shit. So that's why I didn't like that whole thing.

And I will say this at the time. It was at the time to where I didn't have the podcast. I'm just a regular girl on Twitter being attacked. I don't care. But podcast shit, I don't care about that. You were my friend. Nobody knew you, but I knew you, so it bothered me. Right.

But I text you and I was defending you guys. Because honestly, it was somebody in the circle that wasn't, that was being messy and that texted me the whole thing. So I'm like, well, what's going on? It was Paige. No, it wasn't. Well, I don't even say in the circle. It's somebody that we all know.

Yeah, it wasn't in a circle. I know. I know you're talking about. But again, like I said, I made that statement. I'm like, I'm not negating anybody's experience, but I'm going to tell you mine. I used to be fucked up in there and I would always make it home safely. You know what I'm saying? We were triple check that everybody was good.

I said something. Yeah, just speaking about it, period. It doesn't bother me. I'm going to defend myself. I'm going to defend myself. And I'm going to still do that. To this day, I didn't say anything wrong about you. To this day, I always say, when people talk about Hennie Pallooza, I'm always like, man,

that we always talk about Hennie Pallooza. But again, I'm a woman first, and I've been in Hennie Pallooza-type experiences where I literally had, shout out to Elmo. My homeboy had to literally fight a nigger because he was grabbing my pussy. I never had that experience at Hennie Paloosa, but I know it can happen. Of course. I'm a woman first, so I'm reacting because maybe there is a victim. I don't know if there is or not, but I don't want to negate her experience by, oh, Lex P is saying it didn't happen, so it didn't happen. I can't do that.

I can just tell you what my experience was. Well, like, that's what he was saying. Like, he felt like you shouldn't have just said nothing. Well, no, I was say something. There was, I'm going to say something. I mean, in that's fair. I feel like outside of one page that wasn't sexual assault. It was all these anonymous pages that I'm not discrediting anybody.

Right. Just at that point, somebody that I felt was a friend that has been treated so safe anytime anything was going on. Like, we would make sure everyone around us, every woman was safe at all points. Just even commenting on it kind of. bother me. Well, to be fair. And that's fair.

I think Rory's stance was, like, why are you even talking, like, you know, you know us. Like, we would never do anything. But it wasn't true, Rory, but like everybody, like, wasn't innocent. But even everything that was accusing

had nothing to do with Palooza, period. So that's why also was like, okay. Anything that was from the anonymous pages, which I'm not discrediting. Right. I'm just saying all that shit happened. No one said this happened at Palooza.

Right. So I'm like, why is somebody I consider a friend tweeting about something that has nothing to do with, one, my brand to me as a human being. Like, why are you even talking about this? Right.

I never did leave me sure you guys were good at all the time. Josh, can you get my bag? I need a smoke. When everybody was... He said he's getting scared. I can tell Rory's still upset by the look on his face, but that's not fair to her because just watching it on Twitter, everybody was talking about it as if it was a Ducey Pallusa thing.

But it wasn't. Okay, it wasn't. But that doesn't mean that she was completely aware of every allegation that came out. And she has a brand to protect. And she is a woman. So yes, she's your friend. Yes, she's going to stand up for you. But she also has the right to stand up for herself. And you need to let that go.

And that's what I was saying. Nothing happened to her. What you mean? But Roy, that's what I was saying too just now. Like before she said what she said, I 100% agree with everything she said. But that's what I was saying. Like you were innocent in the situation. Yeah.

But everybody involved. wasn't. So I feel like Lex was more so speaking on that, which I get where you're coming from because you're like, okay, you're my friend. I feel like you shouldn't speak on it at all because I was involved and intertwined with these people. But it was never a personal attack against you. I think you took it that way, but it was never that. Because it went off the brand. Let's say with y'all brand somebody that y'all hired just to do like PR or something. Yeah. And allegedly, anonymous pages start saying a bunch of shit about them and they just part of

this, now all of a sudden that means y'all did that. But she didn't say you did anything. I know, but you told me. That would be like, yo, that poor mine shit is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. This is another white man trying to sound to black one. But no, I'm making a bunch of sense. But no, I will say this. I mean, that's fair. Somebody is some wild shit

under your flag. Like, and even if they didn't, you'd be like, yo, what the fuck? The one mistake that I made. And that's supposed to be your friend. One mistake that I made that I will apologize for in front of everybody was you apologize you let's no no I'm not wrong right now no no no no you know what you call that gross I will apologize because I'm not apologizing for what I said or the tweet that I made but I will apologize because I should have texted you before I did it to let you know what I was about to do because as a friend I should have said hey Roy look at my mentions this is what's going

on and this is what I'm fin to say yeah so I should have texted you beforehand so and then I will say after I tweeted it, I did wait about three or four days to text you. So by that time, it was like, you knew it. Yeah, you knew it was smoke. And, you know, I like to. No, she knew she shouldn't have done that to a friend. No, I didn't do that to you. Right.

I didn't do anything to you and you were taking it personal. I feel like you was taking it a little personal. I didn't do it to you. But she wasn't trying to a, she never said nothing specifically about worry. I think she was attacking me, but yeah. I am so glad my old Twitter page got deleted. Oh, thank you, Jesus. They would have been searching them tweets right now.

I know it. But no, but like I said, I will apologize because I should have texted you beforehand and said something. And I think that was, I was like the first time I was kind of like on the summer jam screen. So it was a lot for me, especially something so serious like that. And it was before we had really got into media. So it was like at that time, you had a Twitter image and Twitter was like to get canceled on Twitter image.

It was just like we sold out the Barclays. Like we had a brand and it was like diluting something that had. nothing to do with our brand and everyone was talking about our brand that had nothing to do. Right. Nothing that was an accusation happened over there. Right. So. So like I said, yeah.

I don't take back what I said. I felt away. Still feel away? Very much so. Yeah. Do you feel vindicated with the apology? Nope. No.

Why? Really still? I'm fine with it. I love Lex. So it's like. Yes. But I'm still, yeah, I'm still mad. I was going to say, though, I feel like you know, late.

I'm still mad. I'm still mad. I don't feel like she meant any harm. Like, as somebody who witnessed it happen in real time, I don't feel like she meant any harm. I feel like Lex is like very pro-women, feminist, maybe almost. So I feel like she never wants... You think?

Hey. She came at me over trial. Yeah, no, for real, though. So I feel like she's just always trying to make sure that she makes women feel protected. And like she's going to side. But that was always my thing. Yeah. Her experience with us all the time was nothing but that.

Yeah. Yeah. And I let that be known. So you can't ignore that. That's what bothered me the most. But you can't ignore that. I let that be known. Anytime he was around us, you was nothing but protected.

And I wanted to start ranting on Twitter, but I had to be quiet. I mean, I could talk about Lex pool party. I didn't feel safe. What pool party? You know what pool party I'm talking about? None of us are saying. I know what pool party. So I'm saying none of us don't say.

I was like, if you want to talk about a predator. No, not you being a predator. No, I'm talking about her. Her being the predator? No, she's never... No, that's care. Let's be in the president's hilarious. My girl like that.

That's hilarious. I'm fucking around. I'm trying to lighten the mood. D'Maris going to be so mad at me. That ain't lighting in the mood calling her a predator. I ain't saying nothing. Okay. They're going to call me R. Shelley in the comment.

Oh, Shelly is hilarious. You know what I'm saying? God damn. P. Kelly. You know? No. No. It is birthday time for me.

So it's time to go to pound. town. Listen, man. I hope you got your road sparks and your travel bag. Listen, the birthday, consensual sex is ready to happen. It takes like 15 minutes once it dissolves on your tongue and I'm ready to go. You know, 35 is the first time I'm getting up there. Yeah. Sometimes a little good, a little nervous. You know, I'll be a little busy. Can't really perform the way I want to, but it's birthday time. 35 years old. Listen, man, 35 years old, got to have a teammate. Got to have a teammate. Roe Sparks, let Roe set the screen. Roarie. And then come off that thing shooting. That's what she called me.

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And listen now. Damn, I haven't seen y'all since we did the Division video. I think that's the last time I saw you. Oh, when y'all got your acting on. Really? Yeah. Can we break down that old thing?

Can we pull that video up? No, of course not. But can we break down that day? I wasn't there. What was the... It was just... It was cool. It was a cool, man.

I was like, hey, boo. Yeah, it was a cool. We had a cool... How you doing? I didn't see... I think I saw the Luma. Lex was there, she was in the room shooting her scene. Mm-hmm. But I saw them when y'all, I saw y'all when y'all first got to the, to the house.

Yeah. We was downstairs. I said, what's up to y'all? And then after that, Drea, because Drea was obviously the lead. The main girl. Yeah, so she was shooting most of the time. I was in the room chilling, watching TV. Like, we all had our own bedroom in the house just chilled, kind of like a green room situation.

Do you have the mirror with, like, all the lights for your thing? No, no, I mean, but shout out to justice and the whole LVRM, man. Yeah. They laid out. They laid it out, man. Like my room I had shit I didn't even ask for my ride out. I was like,

I didn't ask for any of this shit. Well, I'm cool, bottle water and fruit. Yeah, we had a nice little room. But they definitely took care of us though. But how did you get casted as the ain't shit friend? How did I? Because I'm not the ain't shit friend in real life. Hmm.

But I guess. Are you a good man? Yeah. You haven't heard you, have you heard I'm not? No. Well, I've never heard of you like. Check her Twitter. Being in a relationship.

Yeah. Do you have a woman right now? No. You're not talking to nobody. No. You're not dating, nobody. Somebody watching his mad his hair. Can y'all get him, please?

No, I'm not. He's lying like shit. Can y'all get him? I'm not. Because nobody is not talking to him. I mean, what's talking? Like, texting and... Dating.

Ficking. No, I haven't fucked. It's been a few. It's been like too much. You haven't fucked in too much? I don't believe that. I don't believe that either. Too much is nothing.

All of money bags you be leaving under picture, somebody was like, hey, mom. No, for sure. But I'm not putting my... I'm not pulling my dick out. Like, I'm an old man now. That shit don't. move me no more. Like you got to be like, it got to be a real like attraction. Like I like... Okay. Do you want to get married?

Married? Yeah. I'm not against it. Do you want kids? I'm not against it. Yes, Roy. Put that leg up. We're getting the tea. I'm not, I'm not against it, but I'm not shooting for it though. And speaking of kids, Rory's kid is so cute. Oh, thank you. He was just like you with the red hair and everything. So what about you, Rory? What's your dating situation like? I'm just a father to Mara. He's lying. Get him. So, Roy, was like.

last time you had sex? Yeah, we go. Watch this. Yesterday. The day that Amar was conceived. You're a liar. That's what we're doing today. Now you see the difference. That's crazy. The actual day that Amarra was conceived was the last

time. And before that, yeah, that was when I lost my virginity. Roy, that's what we're doing? Well, I know different. So when y'all was talking about why y'all don't be fucking with people no more, I was like, that's why I don't be fucking with Rory. Why? Because if we're going to put it all on the table,

I don't like the way you need my... And we ain't even got no table here, but put it on the fucking table, I don't like the way you need, my friend. I won't say the name. Turn this. Yes.

Turn up. Turn up. No. Let's do you. Get the collection plate on that guy, baby, dude. I don't think people know how long we've all known each other, baby. This is a therapy session.

We need to get through it. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm with you. All right. Go ahead. So you can have.

I don't want to put my business out there. This is the burning bush. Remember Moses? The burning bush? This is the- So you can have your beef with legs. That's fine. Whatever.

I love legs. Yeah. And I'm always here my girl back. But family beef, but we still family. But. Get that nigga Dreyer. Did I not try to FaceTime her when y'all was just here? You did.

But after all the shit you did. He only did that because y'all was coming here today. The least you could do is facetime her. She already knew we was coming on. What did I do wrong? Mm. It's the way. It's the way.

You did wrong. Okay. I'll say, I'll say, I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example. And everyone listening, this was 30 years ago.

It was a while ago. It was like five years ago. Ma'am. It was way more than five years ago. Okay, seven years ago. This is around the time. I know Lexus fucking 2015. The timeline, ma'am.

No, I'm before that. Yeah, it was a live show you had in Atlanta. We all went back to hang out. I think, I don't know if y'all, it was like a hotel or Airbnb that y'all had afterwards. We was all there. Me, Dreya. And y'all, y'all, you. This is the blusers?

Tabernacle. Tabernacle, yeah. Oh, y'all. Love that show. We turned that out. We turned out. Hold on. Hold on.

I do want to get into this, but can we stop putting names? I mean, stop putting places and times, I think. Sorry. It's not. Whatever. It's fine.

Okay. We'll edit after. We're sorry, Steve. Okay. No, keep all this. We're going. Okay. All right now.

They're going to put two and to give. Get that nigg. Let's just not put time. Get that niggum. So y'all were, you were dealing with, you know, the friend that she's, talking about at the time

and like we were... It wasn't she dealing with a bunch of other people too? No. Fight back, really? No, she wasn't. I know how she felt. I know how she felt about you and you was in that hotel room.

No, we're not going to do. I know how she felt. Yeah, but we're not going to go off. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. At the Tavern of the Shian, I didn't have no bitches in room. You had bitches at the hotel. No, we did. I remember this.

I don't be with bitches like that. No, no, no, all right, no. All right, no, we stopped. Andrea? I don't even be with bitches like that, but. I know my bullshit. I know my bullshit. And I have went to therapy for all my bullshit.

I know exactly through everything. Y'all had bitches in that hotel and I left by myself that night. Yeah. I'm not saying that she was with somebody. That was your. Yes. I know what I'm talking about. I ain't no bitches there.

Oh, you know what? Yes. We did have had. Thank you. Oh, shit. Thank you. I don't lie. I don't lie.

I don't lie. I don't lie. I feel like I was there. Yes, you were. I don't lie. I forgot. We did have some bitches there. Yes.

Those were my bitches. Because I remember. I went back to myself that now. I remember this. I remember this. Yes. She was there. Okay.

And she wanted Rory back. And guess what Rory did? Walked out of that fucking room and went to his hotel by himself. It was more about her than like the situation. Oh, you just wasn't attracted to her. Well, that's a fact too. I was not fucking that girl. I was like, yeah, Roy wouldn't.

I'm not trying to be holier than that. I just wasn't fucking that. I was definitely there that night. I knew you. But you know, I will say this about you. Every time I've been around you, like, in a party situation, you are so, like, quiet, low-key. You're just being in the back, chilling.

That's what, that's what, they don't believe. They don't believe that I really be in the cut somewhere just chilling. Now, we'll say, because we're on you now. No, we wasn't done with Roaring. Okay, let's finish wrong with her first. You know, I was fine with going on. Well, that's all, he was definitely flirting and entertaining it and being like he-he-h-ha-ha.

But you're finished. Wait, I can't keep in what you did wrong. Well, for me, it was just the fact she would always call me crying and being like, I love him. He don't take me serious. He'd be doing X, Y, and Z. Yeah, but that's not on Rory, though. She was doing the same thing.

That's not necessarily true, though. I feel like you set the tone. We was both playing Rainier games. See, Rory, don't, if you're going to have this conversation, be accountable. I am. Wait, wait. Get a baby, baby.

Send a collection player. No, because I know him, but I know he'd be fucking. Being accountable is not, well, she was doing the same thing. But that has, because you know, if you would have told her to stop doing that,

she would have stopped. She would have been accountable for what you were doing and why you were doing it. Yeah, Rory, they got you. So, no, they're just saying I'm ill, that's all.

No, but they got you. She loved that little Jameson dick, now. You better be giving it an Irish. Oh, that Irish. He is definitely Jameson Dick from that one.

Pete's clip it. She loved it now. That's the last name. Roy McNamara. Some would a MK. Some would an emcee, my bad, not the MK. I know it. A rhythmic from citizens, your cuck.

I know about you. I tried to FaceTime her with y'all today. So, yeah. That's what covered in his ass. I think we both become friends and honest about everything that was happening at that time. I think we both taking accountability. I know this is going to sound very political.

But yeah, we was kids, man. Like, I don't know what the fucking war for me. You weren't a damn kid. Yes, I was. seven years ago. Who's 28? I met her in... My baby's just going to keep throwing that 7-0.

It's like she keeps in crap, right? Dre out here shooting dice like the moment. She keeps hitting 7. 7-11, 7-11. That's all. That's the only girl is 7-11. She's wrong. Do me a favorite.

One thing Dre going to do is throw that 7. Oh. That shit might be 14 years. I just got a little whisper of my bed. That's why she said, y'all didn't stop saying dates and time. Yeah, but anyway, we'll take it over, Roy. Now, what happened next? What about me when you was trying to?

No, you know, it's not a bad thing, but you're like a sneaky assassin. I was at a five-party before. And you was definitely, do you really date black women? Yes. Because I feel like the two times I saw you had a Puerto Rican mommy. Where did you see me? What two times? I saw you.

It was one time we was at, I don't, can I, am I allowed to say? No, date two times. You could say any date any time with me. I'm saying, I know we've said Joe's name like a lot, but... Yeah, you can stop saying that name. Okay, that's what I'm sorry. That's what I was saying, but it was at his pool party. Okay.

And you had a Hispanic queen on your arm. Oh, you're talking about the first pool party. That was his homie. No, that was... No, no, no, no, I met her there. Yeah. I actually know exactly what she's talking about. I met her there.

I don't trust y'all doing that. I don't trust you all right? Let's go. Lex, let's go. Right hand of God. I'd be against him. Well, I met her there. But we clicked because she smoked.

I smoke. So before the party really pop, me and her was in the cut rolling up, smoking. In the cut, rolling dubies up. That's it. All right. So when you saw, you probably saw a chemistry that was like, oh, they look very comfortable.

Yeah, but it wasn't. Look like you didn't stuck that in the dick in now. Yeah, but I tend to have that effect on women, though. You saw that chemistry. He still be flexing when he be. Yeah, right. You don't smoke Reggie. I like to smoke Reggie.

What? Why would you ever do that? Because we don't really smoke for real, so it keeps on like. Oh, yeah. I want something that's, okay. I'm not trying to be hard. Please give me that rigid. But yeah, don't know that.

I only date Puerto Rican women thing like that. I'm just making sure because I don't know. So you like black women. I love black women. Afro-a-womeny. I've never yet. Yeah, I like women.

Chocolate. Well, I mean. I do too. Yes, I did it. I did it. I did it. I was saying, I've never seen more than the black woman. I was chocolate on my plate.

Yeah. I'm never confused about what Rory like. Roy was. I right. Warren went even before that. I've never questioned it. I never questioned it. I'm not.

Black women. He loves him a black queen. Roy barely be in women's Likes. Roy's not like that. But if he isn't alike, it's a black queen. It is. Anyways. Am I allowed to talk about. Jameson. Get this shit off. He's trying to get a

Auburn hair babies. Am I allowed to talk about who you were with? No, you're not. Oh, because it's bad. It's really fucking bad. But you know what I was like... Is everything okay with you? You know what? It's a therapy session. It's a therapy session. You know what? I was...

will say you were the first person kind of put me on game. Because I said something so crazy that he had said to me he was like, Lex, be for real. Is that still your friend? That was never his friend. You know what he's talking about? It's a lot of whispering going on. Yeah, I know.

When it's so on me, it's out and open. When it's all of y'all, it's a lot of whispering going on. No, because we know each other. Take a hit, man. It's the J. It's the J. Roy was like, I thought you were talking about.

I thought you all talking about the men with the stanky bread. What man? Oh, I don't know who that is. Oh, yeah, I don't know who that. I don't know what that. I know. No, we can't say it. No, we can't say it.

We'll be it. We'll be it all the time. I feel like you're a liar. No, I'm not talking about my daughter. I'll make sure. I'll bleep it because he was never my friend. What was his name again? She's on.

Oh. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, she just said. She said. Oh, my God. No, no. That's top three.

His mouth is talked three in the history. Never messed around. Oh, my God. So everybody had the experience. Are you kidding? He's not allowed to tell me anything. No secrets. Oh, yeah.

It wasn't just like a one-off day. Hell no. That's from the story. Hell. That was one of the first conversations me and what he had. That's a friend. I said, yo, what's so much of a man? He had an abscess.

I don't know what he had. I should have been absent. Peach, keep all this shit. Yeah, I should have. Yeah, blip the name. So no, with that situation. Wait, hold on. He tried to talk to you.

Of course he did. Yes. It was like, oh shit. Yes, I remember that whole thing. So I was talking about, I was talking about the other, the other lame nigga I was day when I first moved to Atlanta.

I remember. Yeah. That shit was lame as fuck. I tried to. You, I didn't even dirty. I just laughed the first time as well. And he was thick as fuck.

But you know what? I got my vindication on that. He was the thickest. He was the thickest of the land. You know, he had the nerve. I ended up on vacation with him. He had.

He had the nerve to ask to come on the podcast. Recently. And I was like, are you kidding? No, because you know, he told me, he was one of the first people tell me you need to be seen and not heard. So I couldn't wait to get my vindication on that. That's crazy. Oh, yeah, he was evil. He was an evil thick bitch.

I saw him at a race-or-ray. Oh, my God. He was an evil. Lord, I hope there's never a woman anywhere on planet earth. It's referring to me as an evil thick bitch. And if she does, please kill me immediately. Let me walk out in front of a car, please. What's funny, because I know what they're talking about,

it's a pretty accurate. He was as fun. He was thick as fuck, and he had a lot of audacity. Can you be humble for a second? Yes, of course. Can I, I remember, I remember being out of outside of Papadoe. When you were in Atlanta, I was in Houston. Okay.

No, more than that. No, dead ass. They'll keep throwing that seven. No, this was. When was that? What? That was like, when I was seven. That actually might have actually been seven years.

What I told you, baby, D. Eight. Here we go. 2017. 2017. So I'm in the Papadotville parking lot and she went on her first date with this guy, right? So I'm with, yeah, I'm with the girl that they're talking about that I did dirty. And we on FaceTime.

And Lex goes, girl, he said he want to be a billionaire. I'm so in love. I said. You said. You fell for that. I think you fell for that. If I just left. What is that he?

mean. I was fucked up. I know I was drunk. On everything. Look what you said. I believe it. I believe it. Girl, he says he wants to be a billionaire. I was like, you fell for that. Oh my God. That sounds like me. Just moving to Atlanta. Pussy just green. Pussy green. Pussy green as fuck. Not green. Not the juicy. Not like you was just open. But you, I was. But you know what I was. But you know what I would say.

sound different. No, he didn't. He didn't. But it was so... I can't wait to tell you who it is. All my way. Whispers. We got to see his reaction.

No, we want to see the reaction in real time. Unfortunately. It's really embarrassing. No, no, no. We're not saying that out loud. Look his face. Oh. Is he not the thing?

By the way, pause for whispering here. He's thin. We got your whispering. That's okay. The tea is hot. But I will say, I think I think I kind of remember that night. And you was like, Lex.

Come on, bro. I wasn't even dirty mac in. No, I know. I know. You know what I was funny. You know why. You know why. I was trying to be a friend.

I was like, because I could see him saying that. Oh, yeah. So I had $3 at the time. I thought, 100% she was in. No, but then after I told her that, like being a friend.

She tried to break it down was like, I've never met a man so ambitious. I'm like, all he said was he wants to make a billion dollars. Like, yeah, I want to make a billion dollars too. Like, what's that guy to do with anything? Everybody knew. Oh, that horse taxes came by a bitch.

I said, oh, wait, look with that money and make a bitch. That was a good moment. I don't remember exactly, but I know you not lying because I just know because when I first met him and I was just like, oh, I was just like, you know, it was coming from where I came from. I'm like, I'm broke as fuck picking me up in a G-Wag-on. I'm thinking that. Oh, G-W-W-W-A-W-W-A. Not even the Gwagon. The Gwag home.

Gwag home. Just Gwack home. It was like white and beef. But this is why. But see, but see, just that fast. This is why I love y'all because. Oh, we keep it real.

That's the conversations that y'all going to have. Man, what? And niggas going to hear them like, yo, this is what, so this is what. This is what. This is what. But then somebody, I promise you. Girl, he want to be a billionaire.

I'm like, who don't? You just put soft of any niggas on game. They're going to use that for that young. Who's falling for that? Somebody going to fall for it. Somebody going to fall for it. That's a 23-year-old out there right now. That's going to fall for it.

I'm telling you. She's going to go. She's going to go. How old were you at that time? Oh, that was 2017? 17. 17. So you was like... What?

Oh, I thought you said she was 16 or 17. I'm about to delete all this shit. Delete it out, Pete. Pull the court. So either way it goes, it was during a time where I was easily impressed. Right. It was Atlanta. I was in Atlanta.

This is... Black Hollywood. The girls were walking around with Chanel. Black Hollywood, right. Louis Vuitton. Yeah. My own Louis Vuitton. Right.

You don't remember what you're fucking? Yeah. That's how I was. When he was taking me place, I was like, oh my God. Yeah. I feel you. You know, I respect it. Lex was hanging with us broke-ass motherfuckers at Palluzon.

Listen, I respect it. She got a little bit of tasting. Yeah. Some money. I was the holy coming around. I respect. Hey, it was a. Lex, I respect it.

It was a good time. But I will say, I would never trade my early years in Atlanta. Because that's why we got these good fucking stories. It's so funny to look back on and really be like, what? We used to be doing anything and everything. Right. It's funny. So, right, let me ask y'all.

I have a Drey's story, but I don't know if she's going to tell it. What is it? Oh, I want to, oh, go ahead. So tell a Drea story because I want to hear a Drea story. Then I want to ask what I want to ask. Because he only know about one dude that I did. It's not who it is. It's more so. Do men really be trying to give y'all medication to get?

pregnant? What? Wait, huh? Oh, I remember this story vividly. Oh, oh. What was it? A breeder kink? Yes. Oh. Oh. Oh. You know what I'm talking about? Oh. He definitely has a breeder king. That one the person. You told me that story of brunch? I was like not a lot. Look at what I'm getting on the French toast. Like, girl, just like this cream cheese filled French toast? Like I said, I am the gay-dusty for all women

Oh my God. Rory knows too much of my team. I didn't know Rory was a guy bestie. I didn't know he was a gay bestie. This is great. Well, he wasn't gay bestie. He was like our friends do. So we knew he wasn't trying to like fuck with us.

So I felt like we felt comfortable. Because I would have been gone. Please. Who friend it is? Who friend or who around this? You wouldn't. I'm going. Crazy.

Oh my gosh. I'm like I knew Rory wasn't trying to fuck with me or lick. So I feel like we just. felt comfortable telling him all our beasties. And we got some good advice. See, that's it, okay, that's one of the distinct differences between Rory myself. Women are very comfortable with me,

but they know I'm going to fuck if I get a shot. Oh, no, I'm a gay dusty. Like, if you give me, if you throw it away, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, if you throw it at me. I thought we had a wrong since. I'm not saying, I'm not saying y'all per se. No, no, I'm not saying y'all per se. Okay.

I'm saying every woman that knows me is 100% comfortable. But they know, like, if I give this nigga a hint that I will give him some pussy, he'd take it. Also, I felt weird too. You understand what I'm saying? We're cool. I ain't aggressive.

Are you comfortable? You can spend it in my house. It won't nothing happen. You're in the safest place you can be. But as soon as you rub on that thought. But if you, if you give me one, yeah, I'm like, listen, this thing is locked and loaded. Stop, don't play like that because you're my sis.

Okay. And I love you. But don't play. Yeah, don't play with me, though. Okay. I feel that. Don't play that game with me like, what you're supposed to say?

Sis and we're fucking. Girls I grew up with it. It's girls literally I grew up with that I would never. Have a million attractive female friends, but like once we sis, no, that's never that's never going to have.

You're right. You're right. I have those. But at one point, no, no, no, no, at one point. Just say you want to fuck him. No, no, because it's not

because if I wanted to fuck, we could have. That's my point. No, no, I'm not like that. You know when a woman is comfortable with you and she's like, I like him. And if it was one,

night where it was like, yo, fucking, I'm, you know, I'm lonely. He would be the guy that I would 100% get some pussy to. But this is why people think, like, men and women can't be real platonic friends. You can be, though. No, no, no, you can be. I'm not saying you, because I have real platonic relationships. Okay. But I also have relationships where women know, like, I can't play that game with him.

Okay, got you. He's not the guy for that. Because he would if I gave him the opportunity. And I don't want to fuck up what we had. Okay. That type of energy. And already on top of that. I was fucking with somebody else.

So that was one of their friends. So, see, I was double-dipping. Yeah. There was no way. Oh, you're not going to throw that. Why y'all didn't put that in the pot? Well, it's my story about me. We can move on.

No, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to move. Yeah, no, we'll move. Okay. I mean, it's not really a story. He was just a breeder. Still. And you were the one that got away?

Absolutely. Yeah? I love that for sure. You feel like you are? You fake took the medication? what is this medication he's alluding to what is this not the prenatals yes

he was definitely giving y'all prenatals what does that even how does one even get a prenatal and a champagne yeah I just want to even make a prenatal martini how do you even make a prenatal martini put a prenatal on a champagne she need no it it's funny to joke about rape

no we talk about prenatal vitamin I'm talking about the original bar Oh, oh, yeah, the original way. Not this one. No, Lex, go on Twitter and talk about that. Oh, my God. So talk about that. It's torture.

Men are giving women prenatal in the champagne. Really? I don't know. No, we're not doing it. I don't know. I was just trying to get married. I deflected and said I was fucking one of y'all other friends

before. I was trying to get off the conversation. See, see, see. He would. Let's move on. I want to know. I want to know who gave me a prenat. Go ahead.

you did. So travel queens. So travel queens. Okay. Thank you. How did that come about, ladies? Okay. So, shout out.

Breakfast Club is cute. I understand, but no. We know y'all. This is real key. We friends for real. Low key. Okay. Yeah, so travel channel.

Yeah, what's going on? Travel channel. Y'all eating like spicy food? What's going on? Okay. So Travel Queens. So Cocoa Butter, the production company. Shout out to them. They reached out to us. They wanted us to interview. They had a few

other people, like friend groups that they wanted to interview as well. And we did an audition. They loved us. They gave the position to us immediately. We started getting on calls with them and BET. And then they wanted us to start production. So we started production in January. And we did two weeks straight. We recorded the whole season in two weeks. And it was really dope. It was a really dope opportunity. I love the fact that it shows us in a different light because I feel like it's so many people get reality shows, especially people who have one. Let me not say especially because nobody else has a body. I mean, has a reality show.

Damn. Yeah, I think, yeah, this is kind of the first. It's new, new. Yeah, that's new. So I feel, but I do feel like when people step into another lane a lot of the time it has something to do with what they're already doing. What I love about travel queens is that it's nothing like Portmines It's completely different lane

And it really gets to show us outside of our personas on Portmine So I think it ended up working out And it's a good show It's actually really fucking fire Like if I'm being honest I think we haven't seen something like this Since like the simple life

Like when Paris and Nicole But it's like we're really traveling And having a good time And the best thing about it is they didn't edit out our personalities Because I thought it was going to be like Who are we watching? watching because a lot of times when people watch this is the first time they're being introduced to us. Yeah. So the fact that they really let us be our true authentic selves, that was like my

favorite part of filming the show. And I also think it shows that people, everybody loves to say take away the mics, you know, cancel podcasting. But I think it shows podcasts in a different light. Like we can do more than just this. You know, every time a podcaster gets a deal, it doesn't have to be in the same lane of what we're already doing. We already got poor minds. You know what I'm so we can develop other things that work, you know what I'm saying? So I think it shows all of us as a podcasting whole, everybody who's successful

like we can do other things in media. Yeah, we can tap into a lot of people. Yeah, for sure. My therapist has told me I'm terrible at living in the moment. How did y'all feel on the premiere night? Fuck, first of all, because you still talk about what she did three years ago. I'm going to start there. I mean, you. Respectfully, Rory. I love you, my Torres King, my tourist brother, because I'm a tourist too.

But you still holding on to some shit she did three years ago. My mom was a tourist. My sister is a name compliment. Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. Suggesting that I don't live in the monos, asking what it felt like for the premiere. Because we watch y'all do this from IG Live to here.

Have you guys been living in the moment and really appreciating what you guys have built? Because this has been crazy to me. I think you guys really need to. You guys really need to take in what you guys have done. I'm trying to take it in. See, I was trying to compliment you. He was trying to shit on me. Right.

But I was not trying to shit on you, but I ain't going to let you shit on my girl, though. No, he didn't shit on me. He had to let it out. But, because, wait, let me say that. In a club. We all fam. But let me say this before I get the point I was about to make. Like, Rory's a tourist, my best friends are Torres.

My mom was a tourist. My sister's a tourist. I do he been waiting to say that. My sister do the same thing. Drea used to do the same thing. but she, you know, she's with therapy. So, but I'm glad we had this because it's like, I love Rory. Right.

I don't give a fuck. I really don't care because I love him. Let me ask you. Let me ask you something though, Lex. I don't care. Did you think that I felt some type of way about what you said? I know you did it. Okay.

Because you are, you're so nonchalant and I see people attack you all the time and say, yeah, you don't give a damn. I never felt like you cared. But not because, not because I don't love you and fuck with you. Right. But because I know you didn't have no... You know it had nothing to do with how I felt about you personally. It wasn't like a personal thing. But back to what I was saying about.

Back to Roy's comment on me. He took it personally. But like I said, Roy knows how I feel about him. And I think it doesn't matter when you really have... This is one person I can honestly say in the industry. I will, and I'm being honest right now. Because I, you can ask Jerry, I was like, ooh, I'm nervous about doing today. I kept saying that to her.

Nervous. No, no, because this is the first time me and Roy have really sat down and really, really tall. And I kept saying that. Spent a minute. But this is one person in the industry. I have known, like, the first person that I met that used to network with was like Mandy. Okay. That was like my first industry friend.

But Rory goes way back before. Like, when I say 2014 is when I first met Rory, I'm talking about like Mike Barnes. We used to be at his house chilling, like, way back in the day. Sunday dinners, everything. So, yeah, so I think it's like when you really care about somebody and they really know who you are at your core, it's like, I don't, I don't. I could dig it. I was like, okay, I'll take that. Because I know.

it's like, it's all love. But I feel better than that. Yeah, I know you do. I get it. And you know what? I'm glad that you said that. Because I ain't want to do on the phone. I ain't want to do on text.

Right. But I'm saying, and I had no idea. When I, I thought it was going to be more so about the stuff I said about him. I had no idea about that stuff. No, I've been harboring this for five years. And I'm glad you said it. I'm glad you said it.

But back to the problem with stuff. I know you do. That's what I said. That's why I felt like anytime I see you, it's not like we don't speak or we just be like, oh, walk this way because Rory over there. It don't be like that.

It's just like, it was like a look in your eye. I'm gonna get my one bitch. At the 40-40 club, I was actually serious. I know you were. Like when I'm all shit of joking around. Yeah.

It wasn't a place to talk. Yeah. I've had this on my chest for quite some time. I have, I can read body language. I can tell because I told I was like, but why you never just called? Because I wanted to be face-to-face.

And that's fair. Yeah. That's fair. Phone shit is really that. So now you guys see. even remember when we went out in Atlanta and she wasn't around. It was me, you, and bleep, I guess. Bleep is crazy.

I had brought it up a little bit at that time, too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I knew you felt away about it, which don't get me wrong. Like, I get where you're coming from. I understand why you felt away. I feel like that's where sometimes communication has to come into play, though, because I understood why you felt away and you're not wrong for that because I would feel away, too,

if I was used, to be honest. but I know that she didn't have ill intent. That's why I always just felt like y'all needs to have a conversation. We wouldn't be sitting here together if I thought she had it in the tent. But it was something not to get off my chest. And I'm glad you did.

My white brother, I love you down. So I just want to know why we weren't invited to the Travel Queen for me. So let me say this. It wasn't even like that, though. No, it looked like that. No, it looked like that. Let me tell you how we did the PR list.

Okay. Honestly, our PR girls and our producer, they really just went down the list of everybody who had came on our show before. PR over here? Well, Shays our producer. She was working close.

That's crazy. Shout out for calm theory. Baby girl over there introduced herself as killer and I was... Well, no, Killer's my best friend. Well, she looks like PR because she got the towel. She got her time.

It's getting wilded to have to go to make things so complicated. She said, Killer, I was like, I left my shit at home today, wrong day. I didn't know Killer was coming by the office. Yeah. No, it wasn't like that. really just went down like on our

YouTube like everybody y'all had on the show that's who we're sending out to because we had so much going on and trying to prepare for it. So it wasn't like oh let's leave them all. I'm joking about that for sure. But I want to get back to your question because you said how are y'all are y'all soaking in the moment? And I say

I'm working on that because I'm not because I keep worrying about what are we doing next? What? How can I come harder? Because now I feel like y'all try to put us in this box. Yeah, we got travel queens. But now let me show y'all what we can do next. And I'm like, girl, you just got a fucking TV show.

That has nothing to do with, like, poor minds. It's something totally different. We travel. I literally, like, I used to have a show on YouTube with my other home girl called Jazz and Lex Where To Next, where I would go around eating food. And I'm like, I manifested that. We both did. So I'm trying to get into the moment of not trying to just jump ahead and really.

So I'm still working on that, to be honest. It's hard. I lost so many moments that I wish I, like, appreciated. Yeah. I just, my only advice to people is that, like, really live, just shut up for a second, stop focus on what was going to happen next, sit in this premiere. Yeah. Like, holy shit, how did this happen?

Right. Because to be honest, it's so hard, though, to not want to focus on the next thing. Well, I mean, that's why you got the show and the premiere is because you have that mind state, so it's tough to balance those two things. It is. It's really, really tough because I feel like at the premiere and I told her these last week, I was like, to be honest, the premiere is kind of. like a blur to me, the party,

because I feel like we were just all over the place, like talking to people, interacting, taking pictures. I didn't really get to live in the moment. And even right now, it just still seems so surreal. Like, it seems surreal. Like, I can't believe this is happening. But then at the same time, you still like, okay, cool, but I'm about to do this. What's next?

Like, what's the next thing coming? It's hard to, like, not just be present. I think it's just because we, but we love. like to work, though. I was like y'all do too, though. Yeah. Like to work? I mean, you're,

you're fucking, no, y'all are hustlers. I love, I love, I just spend my, my birthday in Detroit to work. Yeah. I mean, I think that, you know, for Rory and myself, we've been doing this so long that it's kind of like, it doesn't,

it doesn't really feel like we're doing something. It's just like a part of just our day-to-day. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? And it's like, this is just what we do. Hey, you know what I mean? Like, but we have other things going on, obviously. And we, but I do think that we need to try to focus more on the same.

Yeah. More present, you know, enjoying it. You know what I'm saying? Not thinking too far ahead. Yeah. Kind of just staying right there in the center because, like you said, a lot of people doubt it. And, you know, a lot of people still praying that it breaks. Mm-hmm.

You know. And I also think it's, it's not a woe is me thing, but I think it'll be interpreted that way. podcasters also own businesses and run their business and we're also entertainers so we can't really have that moment because we look nuts even trying to talk about it it's like dog y'all just go to work your job is talking to mike shut the fuck up right so we can't even really celebrate any of our shit while we're also the business owner

and the entertainer at the exact same time right and that's where I think it gets weird and depressing but they're also viewers are going to look at that like don't care I'm going to my truck job right now. And they could make more money than us. It's not even a money thing. It's just they're looking like you get to do this. I'm like, it's way more stressful than the fuck-y-off take it is.

Oh, it is. I feel like people don't realize it's a real business. It's a job. We're running a business and entertain. Being a face of a business and running a business is a different mentality. Podcasting can be some of the most, if you dedicated, you know, to yourself to it. I think it could be some of the most stressful, but some of the most honest thing you do to them. Oh, yeah.

Like sitting on a mic and a camera and like speaking. Yeah. And like having your thoughts out there forever and like things you say. Like people tell me things that we be at shows about, yo, when you said, I'm like, I said that. Yeah. I don't even remember ever saying that. It's like, yeah, that was 2019.

I was like, damn. I'm a whole different person, bro. Does that ever feel healing for y'all though? Because I feel like when we went on breakfast club earlier, I was talking about that because I feel like when we first started poor minds, I was very much more closed off. Like Lex has always been in an open book. I've always been a little bit more private.

But as we get older, I love to be transparent and vulnerable and tell people the things that I'm going through. So like, for y'all, is it the same experience? Like, you're like, okay, damn. For me, absolutely, it's the same. I really helped somebody. People in my life still can't believe I do this. Yeah. Because my entire life, I ran away from this.

Yeah. I never wanted to be on camera and on my. So you're not really vulnerable, transparent? I am, but it's still a lot of things that I keep. You know what I'm? Same, same. It's like, I'm definitely, people that know me are shocked at some of the things that I shit. Yeah.

Because they're like, yo, bro, you would never say that in front of people like before. But because this is what I do. Yeah. So I find little things, but there's still a lot that I'm like. And that's the part that people know me is like, if people knew that part of you, that's a whole different. Yeah. That's how I feel sometimes too. Because I'm like, if people really knew like me for real, for real.

Yeah. The show were really like. But you got to find a way to kind of give it a dose. I think that's the magic in it. I mean, I was always fine with it because again, like, I started potting at like 23. 34 now. Which is crazy.

That is crazy. When you think about it, potting that 23 years old is crazy. 23 years old. I was kind of fine with that. Like, even getting into my 30s, I was like, damn, there's so much shit that I said when I was a kid that is going to be on record forever. Forever.

I will say, Amara has been the first time I felt like actually stressed out about it. Yeah. Because I know if my dad had a podcast. I know my inquisitive mind, which I'm sure is going to be passed down to her. I'm like I said, my therapies tell me like why you always want to know why.

Sometimes you shouldn't think that. It doesn't even matter. So I know she has that. And she is going to sit and watch every fucking episode and not understand that like, I was 23 and I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about. And even I'm 35 and still know what the fuck I was talking about. But that's what you had that conversation.

But I know me and I know what she's going to do too. She's going to watch on her own and just find conclusions. And just download the information. And now look at you at a whole different way every day. Yeah, what's up with you? Yeah. She's going to start peeling away at her dad. That's the first time I felt like, holy shit, this is going to be weird that my footprint is here.

Yeah, that's real. That's real. I have a question. But you can't erase it once it's out there. Yeah. I think that's something that scares. I mean, it's paying for the food that's going to her mouth. Yeah.

Like 2017 to now, like poor minds has changed so much. Licks and I have both changed so much as people. but people could still go back and reference those old episodes. And that's why I think sometimes we get a little bit of the backlash. I'm like, well, that's not what you used to be saying. Y'all are hypocrite. Bitch, can I change my mind? I've grown.

I have a ball. Who is not a hypocrite. Yeah, right. Exactly. But I do have a question for y'all because I've always kind of wondered this because, like you said, y'all, you've been doing this for almost like 10 years. Like to be in the entertainment industry, I don't care what you do, act, sing, podcast, and whatever, that's a long time to sustain.

Do y'all feel like a little bit like vindicated though because that y'all have been able to carry this podcast with just y'all too? Still after all that mess happened like because everybody was kind of like counting y'all out. Yeah for sure. Like they counted y'all out so bad.

And the fact that y'all are still doing it with just y'all too, do you kind of feel like a yeah, nigger? And have a huge follow movie. Yes. I mean, it's a small part of me that's just because I think one of the first conversations Rory and myself had

you know, when the whole thing happened, you know, was, it was simple. It was like, all right, well, shit. You know, people with the studio. Like, literally, the conversation was so seamless. Yeah. It was almost scary. Because it was like, one day we looked down, we was like, do, I don't, we didn't miss a beat, like, at all. Like, we just, it just happened.

We just started moving. Yeah. Studio and, you know, equipment and bring people on, you know, do this, do that, and just build a whole team and a family. And then you look up and it's five years later and we sold out London and this and that. And it's just like, what? Like we didn't even really sit and think. Yeah.

And I know podcast fans don't really care about like the actual details. They just want to make jokes and laugh at all shit. And no disrespect to that side. Pivot the way you want to pivot. I think they're all doing fine too. But two thirds of the show left. Yeah. I knew he was going to be fine.

Yeah. Yeah. Like two thirds of that show left. I knew he was going to be all right. Yeah. And I'm they all right like everything is fine in that regard and even down to like the business side shit Pige was doing merch for the old show like a lot of people that worked on the old show work here. Yeah. Like this yeah this was a running business based on.

I came into some familiar faces. Yeah. I know that's right. Because these have been my people. Right. When Joe and I in 2015 was talking about like all right, I got somebody that could do this, this, this and that. Like this ain't your crew. Right.

Right, got you, got you. But even on the business side, it was like. Well, I got a messy question. Mess it. Mess it up. So it's like no room for reconciliation. No. Ever.

Meek me. It's no beef at this point in my life, but it's, no. And I don't think they want that either. Yeah. Yeah. I think my ex-X told me this that stayed with me forever. Why do you continue to have beef with people? Why can't y'all just coexist?

Yeah. What's wrong with their being. Oh yeah, I don't have beef with nobody. Like, it's not beef. What's wrong? Even if you run into that person or like cross-pass, like, why would you even, you can, y'all, everyone could just coexist. Yeah, it's no beef. Everyone can just coexist.

Everything's okay. Big on saying that. I'm always making sure we clear that I don't have beef with, or we don't have beef with anybody. But for me personally, I'm not speaking for myself. There's no room for reconciliation, conversation, none of that. Yeah. You feel like it's just been too much, like disrespect and stuff? Absolutely.

What's wrong with that, though? It's not wrong. But if y'all see each other, guys see each other, would you like dab him up? Like, no, no, I'm not saying that. Just coexisting if y'all was even in the same spot.

Only because, only because as men, certain things were said. Okay, that's understandable. And as a man, I can't hear you saying that. Okay, that's fair. And then, you know,

the way I'm brought up, I know things that happened and it's just like, you played a game with somebody that at one point would have killed somebody for you. Yeah, yeah. You understand what I'm saying?

So it's like, now, I'm not, it's now it's just cold. Like, it's all good, fam. Don't worry about it. But that door is forever closed. But it's not beef, though. No, no beef. I'm not walking around.

I'm happy. I'm great. Life is beautiful. That's the definition of coexistence. Yeah, no, 100%. If anybody cross each other's path in a spot, we don't got to say nothing. We could just go our several ways.

Everything's fine. Right. And I'm not trying to beef with nobody to fight. Like, we did that. Right. We were participants. Like, I'm not saying we weren't. Right.

But that's why I was asking that question because I know we, you know, you know, y'all gave us our flowers but I wanted to give y'all y'all's flowers because it's so hard when you feel like everybody is counting y'all out and the fact that y'all have it's been five years that y'all been doing this with just y'all too I see podcast start and be done after a year or two yeah but the difference Lex is once you know who you are yeah once you know who you are like Lex you know who you are right and you know that no matter what you're doing life you going always be alright. Yeah. You dread, you know who you are and you know no matter what

in life you can always be okay. That's the same thing. You don't feel like, I feel like it's some people, and we say this all the time, people feel like they have to attach their selves to people, especially in this generation. People feel like they have to attach themselves to people to be successful. But like you said, there's so much power in knowing who you are.

Like, I don't need to be cool with this person. I'm going to be straight. I was never in it. I was never in it for that. My shit going to still get views. I was never in it for that. And that's the difference a lot too. Right. That was never, I never even cared about people knowing who I was. Because you was always knowing who you are and you were confident in who you are. So it's like, I don't need to be cool with this person to give you. But and re-inning it's hard.

I think the opposite. I think I think people will attach themselves to me. I know that's right. Oh, for sure. People definitely want to attach themselves to you. Especially because you I think things were going to serve a certain ways. I love to have a good white on my arm. We need one of those. We need one of this white. I. There ain't No.

Lex is crazy. Roy is down. I need that. You need a good white. You need a good white. You need a good white outfit in the closet. I'm saying you always need one. You got to throw it away.

A lot of people are not at the laborer. Usually the common denominator when things go wrong. I could do the shit flipped over. Okay. I'm the common denominator when shit goes right. Oh, come on now. Pop your shit. Pop your shit, J.D.

You're not wrong. Listen, he preaching, he's talking. The marriage I'm wrong. Listen, you're right. I got a job. I don't know. You're right. You're right.

Listen, you're right. Do your thing. Shit. You're very good at what you do. I tell you that all the time. You're very, very good at what you're doing. Anybody who tries to discredit that. You said what?

Nothing. But I want to say this thought. I want to give you all your flowers, too, because y'all are amazing. And re-branding is fucking hard. Like, we did a silent rebrand. Because we were like, we're not announcing this shit. This is what we're just about to evolve.

Yeah, and we just evolved. But we're like, we can't announce this. Right. Yeah. But you just happened to do it on camera. Yeah. But like to do a whole, like, y'all, you know, you got to do new logos, new show, new this, new studio.

That's a whole rebrand. That's fucking tough. I love it, though. Because rebrands don't always go over smoothly. They don't. But they don't. But the reason why I love Rebrands. brands is because you get an opportunity

to prove that I could do it again. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes people think you got lucky. The one time thing. Right. This ain't that type of energy. This ain't good luck. It's a good brain. This is a good person. You're saying they make a hole. Okay, make another hole. Yeah. Make another hole.

You got to send a plate around one more time. Send that plate around one more time back here. I love that. Yeah, man. Have fun. And have fun doing it. Yeah. I think that's the biggest thing. It's like we have fun. Like, you don't look like work. You don't seem. I'm looking forward.

I'm just seeing this travel show with y'all. I'm not going to lie. You have to watch the episode? No. It's a hair. No. I was kind of mad at. No, I'm just playing.

No, I haven't seen the episode. So it's on BET, her. So you can download the Philo app. You can watch on Philo. You can watch on Hulu with the BETHurt. Add on or YouTube TV. And BT.com. And BET.com.

So it's actually really fucking lit. Like, if you're into like travel shows and stuff, it's really good. I'm going to watch it. I'm definitely going to watch it. It's like, if you've seen poor minds, like get that completely out your mine because it's totally different. I love that. It's a different vibe.

I love that. What's something that didn't make it? Oh my God. Our tea scene. Yes. And we, body tea, face card tea, everything was tea and they didn't air it. We were in Charleston.

We had on these cute little tea party outfits and we went to a little brunch tea type of situation and we were trying different teas like camamil or girl gray, all of that stuff. And it was so cute and so sophisticated and they didn't air it because

they were like a tea party is not Southern which I disagree with. Yeah, that's actually very wrong. That's what I think. Was the white people in charge respectfully? Who wanted Coco Browns? Is it Coco Brown? No, it's Coco Butter. Coco Butter. But I don't think

it was really up to, I think it's kind of like a BET and them a collaboration. But honestly, the show was only 30 minutes and we did so much. So I think it was kind of like Are they ever, do they plan on releasing that content at all somewhere? I think they should, maybe, hopefully. I would love to see y'all at like a little tea party.

It was so good. It was so good. It was really funny. But, I mean, the stuff that they did air, I think what they did is like put the best stuff. And they're like, if we have to take something out, I guess, you know, they had to take that one out. So, but I think. What did you want in the show that was taken out? Honestly, I really feel like everything that I wanted to be in there has been in there so far.

Now, I'm nervous because I don't know when this airs, but by the time it's airs a QS episode. will be out. Tomorrow. Oh, okay. Well, Key West comes out next Wednesday

and I'm really nervous because I didn't see there's a drag scene in there that I do. Like I dressed up in drag. But I didn't see that in the preview for next week. Oh,

so you don't know what it's going to look like. I don't know what's in there because we're watching it with everybody. We haven't seen nothing. At the premiere, that was the first time I saw it. Oh. Can we watch on stream together?

Yeah. Yes, we can. Yo. That level, no, listen, hold on. That's, that's fucking.

with my anxiety for you. Oh, we were on the plane yesterday watching the episode because we haven't seen it. So we were on the plane flying to New York watching the episode on my phone because we haven't seen it. What was your feelings of?

How did you? I'll be like, I'm so thick. And I'd be like, damn, face card don't decline. So, hilarious. So what was like your drag swag? I had on this like, I don't want to, no, I'm not going to tell too much.

Because if this drops tomorrow, you got a tuning to see. I'm hoping. Oh, no, I'm tuning in regardless. Yes, but I'm going to drop the pictures, so y'all got to tune in. No, we watch Badi's. We watch Badi's. You watch Boll drag shit.

I watch Rupertile's drag. I'm so deep into Badi's, like, I'm trying to find out who Bela Baby Fawl is. Oh, we don't. Like, it's bad. It's bad. I'm not too. I'm not too. I'm trying to.

I'm down baddies. I bought the zoo shirt that security puts on the chicks after the you know why why I take the shirt because I can't believe that somebody's putting a bunch of behind this shit. Like, I'm watching it almost like, this is the crazy shit. But they make so much fucking money. That's why I can't stop watching because it's insane that this is a budgeted show. Like, yo, they're just paying girls to just fly to like different states.

To fight. And just pop on each other. Like, yo, I don't like what you said earlier at breakfast. And they're like, go fighter. So we got to fight. That's not the craziest motto. But I'm not going to lie. I think it's an amazing business model.

I will say, the reason that I do love Trump. Queens because I'm not knocking baddies, but I do think that it's time that we start seeing Black women in different lives. No, no, 100%. Because I'm not knocking baddies. I don't knock how any black woman gets their money. Do what you got to do because if you fighting already

in the hood, go get paid for it. But I do feel like the media is missing that. Like we've lost that of seeing black women in reality TV just having fun. This ain't even no love and hip-hop. We're not throwing drink. So it's different. You know what I'm saying? It's so I'm not knocking baddies. Shout out to all the baddies.

I'm not trying to get my ass whoop. Because I can't fight. We're going to make this clip. Lex P says fuck baddies. Lex P says fuck Takeshi. Oh, no. No, no. I know that one.

She's the main one that's going to knock me out. I'm scared of us. I don't ever want to be in a spot with Texx B says Natalie Nunn square up. Teseki. That's her name. I don't want to be nowhere with Desec. Any woman that tries to fight, Clarissa,

Shields is not afraid of nothing. I'm not fighting them hands. She's all in. She's crazy. Now they scare me a little bit. Shout out to y'all. I love them. No, I love them.

I love them. It's just a funny show. I love you. Hey, booze. Hey, booze. What do you guys want to do with season two? We want to go to different continent for each season. So like season two, we would love to do Europe.

Travel Queens, Africa. Travel Queens, Europe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the. next goal for sure. Yeah. So honestly, we don't know if we're getting the season two yet.

They're trying to wait and speaking it to existence. But yeah, I think I think we are. It's really fucking good. It's definitely going to happen. Yeah, so it's just a good fucking show. Like, when I watched it, I was like, damn. It's so funny. Like, I feel like people get to see us in a different light outside of poor minds and I really

get to see our personalities, more so how we interact in real life. Because, I mean, when you podcasting, you podcasting, like, even as we're sitting here, we're talking about topics and stuff. versus that show it's just us being us and the cameras happen to be there.

We're not talking about something that we already plan to talk about. So, you know. That's fun. That's the void. I take them to Ireland and get some real Shepherds' pie. Come on, J.D.

I love Shepard's pie. And Bid with a hoit. Jayd's a dick. That's not me. Peege. Now I got a nickname. J.D. Clip it, Pige.

He wasn't the thick producer y'all was talking about, though, right? No. Baby D. Baby D. Baby D. But I don't think J.D. was ever thick. That's what I'm saying?

What baby did he talk about? I didn't look at his lower half like that. Jermaine Dupree? You thought there was a time with Jermaine Dupre was thick? Jemaine Dupree was never thinking. No. Yeah, no.

But we're going to tell you who you talk about it. Oh, my God. Everybody's been to Google, thick producer. I love it. I did. That's the wilds algorithm ever. Thick producer.

I mean, and he's going to come up. Oh, my God. There's no way. There's no way. No way. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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Let's do it. All right, let's get into some voicemails. You've got mail. We've been chatting. Damn, we almost at 90 minutes. Nine to minutes. This was therapy.

We had to get shit. We had to solve what I said. Nine of minutes. What the point? Country's him. Killa, you get over there, baby. Osh. Oh.

Oh. Oh, hello. She's like, back to we. I'm kidding. I'm so weak. Oh my God. And that head you gave me got me

got me way higher than I thought I was going to be because I don't smoke weed like that. Oh, my God. You hit the weed? Yes. Yes. She said, no, pass the weed. No, keep all this speech.

This bitch embarrassing me. How do you think you guys were doing Ireland? In Ireland? They would love y'all. Oh, my God. No, Ireland would love you. I can't wait. I want to go.

Ireland would be of really good. I could stop for that. A cute? Yeah. Well, I mean, Scottish and Ireland. It's both. Okay, okay, okay. I was about to say, come on now.

I didn't know they were killed. I didn't know that. And that's why you need to get up on your culture. I need to go travel queen. Exactly. Hashtag. Travel Queens, B, E, T, A P, M-E-S-T. That's right.

B-E-T heard. There you go. Let's get into some voicemail. Link right here. What's up, what's up? I just want to say thank you all for entertaining us every week. I hope you guys are staying healthy and blessed. So quick run through.

I've been dating this girl for two and a half years. We were a long distance for a while, and then I would go visit her in Jersey City. I'm going to tell you where she lives. She would live close enough to get to NYC right there by the Holland Tunnel. Anyways, so a year and a half into the relationship, she lost her job, so I was helping her stay afloat in Jersey City while I was in L.A. Broke-ass bitch.

So she's like, I'll pay back, pay back, whatever. whatever, that's fine. Just don't be homeless. I don't want anybody to be homeless. So doing that, that she gets a job offering, Kelly, she moves to the bay. Don't have any money to move, so I help her moving all that.

King. Out of my pocket. 16 grand, whatever, get over here. Still no progress. Paying the rent, I have to sacrifice my business. You know, working in music. It's not fast money,

so, you know, it might take a minute, but I have to do what I have to do to keep everything afloat. Still no progress. year I'm still struggling to pay everything and my bills are falling behind and the other day saw a text from her side dude. I'm like okay so my plan is just a dip and not saying anything y'all think I'm an asshole what should I do is there better more gentleman like or just say hey

fuck me huh um but yeah love y'all stay blessed thank you he said he said that in the mirror Fuck me, huh? He practiced like he was going to get it off to fuck me, huh? After all I did for you? You probably hit his chest. I was on that side, too. I felt for him.

Oh, man. I'll let y'all cook first. Cut that bitch off for sure. I agree. But how should he do it, though? Like, she ghost? I would just ghost her. She don't give a fuck about you.

15, man. That's a lot. I think he said 16. 16. 16. 16 bands and pay the bills $1,000 more. That's a lot.

But I'm just saying like it's still a lot of money 15, 16. That's a lot. That's a lot. And then you find out she's dealing with another dude. I wouldn't have nothing to say to her. That's a lot of money to spend on somebody, especially if you live in New York.

Right. And then because you're paying for that shit. Yeah. And I have to say this. I also want to move away. I also want to know where the side dude is. Right. And what he doing? Is he in the back?

Oh, yeah. He's not. He is in a baby, though. She probably even got no damn job. She probably just moved over that with him. Exactly. I would just cut her out. The old, the young girls who are out here getting it,

that y'all going to be mad at me for saying this, I hate when y'all make me agree with men. But I feel like the economy is tough right now. Men, because you don't want to end up in this situation. You have to be very careful when you, like, invest in a woman. You got to understand, like, you got to pay attention. If she lost her job, you're going to see if she got that hustle about herself and she's trying to make shit happen.

Do you really think it was smart to put $16,000 in a woman and she ain't really showing you nothing? Versus a woman like, oh, I know she's going to get it. Let me invest in her because I know she's going to. Y'all have to be smart. Stop being pussy wept. Come on now. I completely agree.

I mean, I hate when y'all make it. But $16,000 is a lot of money. Go to camera three. No, say it right into their face. It's a lot of money. But I will say this to my queen. Coochie, too good. Coozy.

See, see, this is what I'm saying What I don't know What I'm saying? Look how fast y'all All that logic I see you, sis She's too good I know a queen

But most of the time Let me tell you what's happening though Most of the time It's not a man that's doing that Most of time it's a woman doing that And the niggas be broke Yeah It is most of the time

It's women who are taking care And these niggas ain't got shit Yeah So now you understand What a lot of women go through We be taking care of the household why you think Section 8 is like, oh, you can't have a man in the house. You know what I'm saying?

Democrats. I'm not going to be there in a way. Hello, but I'm just saying, don't get me started on the statistics, bitch. Right. So you're really getting a text. So you agree with all those politics. Political Pee coming out. Let's see.

Political Pohs. Hey, man. All right. This is a safe space. So what you think, worry. Safe space. Yeah. Okay.

Have y'all. ever gotten money from a man and started to feel a little guilty like damn I am really taking advantage of no because the way that that that's why I love Dreya's that's why I love Dreya's because he clearly sounds like he was taking advantage of

yes have you sat there and been like damn this guy's actually kind of nice and I'm really I'm doing someone that shouldn't be done dirty yes because I feel like I exude like I have like this energy that I know the energy is all I'm saying

I knew the energy He was gonna start rubbing that meat No no No Please No No He's living right

Yeah He's right God God Damn That is a lie P's run the tape I have not been doing that

I have not been doing that But okay Okay Go ahead Okay So I think that I Exude this energy.

Like, I have this natural aura that men kind of feel like they have to come at me like that. So I've had guys do things off the rip, like money, buy watches, cars, whatever, off the rip. Off the rip, and I'm not even really into you like that. And then after the fact, when you buy it, I'm like, damn, but I don't really, I don't really know if I like you like that. But I also think it's a difference between asking it that and the offering. In America, I'm going to give y'all to statistics now.

In America, a sucker's born every seven seconds. And I don't blame that. Imagine if roles are reversed. Imagine if there were just some girl on Instagram that DM June was like, yo, I'm trying to get you five racks. Come on, bitch. Give it to me. Are you crazy?

That's where the cultural difference come in. If I said a deal like that. If I get me money to get me money to fuck, of course I'll take the money. If I get a deal like that, I know a nigga trying to line me up. Somebody try to kill me. Because of reality. I'm saying if it was reversed as in shit was switched,

where men just be doing that because they're trying to get at somebody. I'm never going to be, you want to buy me a car? I bet. But that's what I was going to say. That's more so why I feel, that's more so for me, why I feel guilty because it's never a thing

where I'm like asking people for stuff. They just want to do it. And so then I'm like, well, damn, if you offering me this, should I decline? No. though I know I'm not interested, but I didn't ask. So it's like if this is what you want to do, let me accept it. But then I feel bad a little later because it's like I don't really like you like that versus I think somebody who's asking.

Like if you're asking a dude for $5,000, you ask him to buy you a roly, you asking him to buy you something and you know you have no intent or really fucking with him like that. I feel like that's very manipulative and you're being a user and you're going to get your karma for that because you know you don't like this nigga like that. you're trying to use him for his money. He's just like when scammers be stealing, all people pinching. And Red pill podcast, World is going to kill me. I don't think it's women's full. I think it's men's full.

Yeah. If I lead with money or purchasing things, I'm supposed to expect that you're going to like me more if I keep purchasing things. And that girl's supposed to say, all right, you want to give me more money? Exactly. But a real beach, I don't like you to like me. Exactly. You just took an L to be honest.

Like a girl that knows. She's going to like you. you spend more? No. And I'm not going to lie. It actually turns me off when I feel like you're trying to buy me. Like if I feel like every time you like, oh, I can get you this, I can get you that. I had a situation like that. He just kept trying to eat. At first it was like, okay, you're cool. We're friends. And I kept saying like, we're cool. We're friends. But he kept buying me things thinking that I'm all of a sudden going to wake up when they're like, oh, you bought me a Chanel bag. I love you down. And it's like, that's not how it works. But I'm

going to take it if you've given it. As you should. But eventually I did get to the point to I was like, okay, this is enough because it starts to feel like... Let me ask you, we're never going to get there and you just keep buying shit. Y'all aren't poor, though. Exactly. Let's just be poor.

Not when I was. I was accepting them all. As you should. The thing was getting accepted. With the money I have now, if somebody offered me five grand or a bag, I'd be like, if that's what you want to do. Because that's not something that happens often.

That's not something that happens often to me. And so, of course, it'll be right. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It was rose reverse. So as a woman, I'm not going to lie, if a man was like, oh, can I sing you five bands and we go on a day? I'm like, no.

But if I don't know you, I don't tell me, I was never a sympathy pussy girl. That's where I feel like that's why I feel bad. Because I'm the type of bitch. Just because you buy me some shit, I'm not giving you no pussy. You can buy me whatever you want. I don't feel obligated to give you no cushy. That's why I feel it even worse because, damn, you just fit $10,000, $15,000, $50,000. I'm still not going to.

gonna fuck you. Let me ask you. I don't like you. I fuck with niggas that I like. That's it. That's the only criteria for me to give you some.

Let me ask you something. I need to like you. Do y'all think it's cheating if say you're ex, you have an ex-boyfriend and he's like, he sends you money all a time. But you're in a new relationship with a new boyfriend.

You feel like if you keep accepting that money, that's cheating? I don't feel, well, Lex taught me this because I didn't used to feel this way. But Lex was like anything that you do that you can't tell your partner about is cheating. So yeah, I do.

I think that's cheating. Like, if you accept the money from your ex and you not being honest with your current partner about it, you're cheating. Because if you're not doing nothing wrong, why you can't tell them? Right. I had the same conversation with her friend.

Yeah. And we never even talked about that. She was in a relationship. It was like, oh, you're cheating right now. Yeah. Just by having conversations. But somebody is paying your rent. No, she was in a relationship.

with somebody else. No, no, he was saying as a friend. I was like, you're cheating on your marriage. Like, you have somebody with crazy notoriety paying for your rent and you in a relationship. No, you're cheating right now. That's cheating.

This is crazy. And she was like, well, if he can't pay my rent, I'm like, bitch, pay your own rent then. Uh-huh. Hold on now. No. You took your shit too. I was a good friend.

I don't know if the audience heard that collective harmonizing at these three black people. we just did with mics. But when Rory said, pay your own fucking rent. It was like Mariah, Whitney, and motherfucker C.C. Wanidz all hit the same notes.

Like, y'all was like, wait, hold on, nigga. You know what's me. You don't know. Yo, that is funny. Shout out of Dici, though. But I do think, like, in your 20s, whatever, you're young, having fun.

But I feel like once you get- This wasn't but two, three years ago. Well, no, no, no, I'm talking about the voicemail. Okay. Once you start getting the territory of helping people move, then we're big. building something.

This is too far. You're taking shit to $16,000 is a lot of money. You know what I'm saying? So I think that somewhere we have to draw the line. But again, a lot of it is the man's fault. You already knew what type of girl she was. You ain't know. You was trying to buy her.

Yeah. That's what it sounds like. Because you're doing all this shit and you were still unsure. You were trying to buy somebody and you got got. And she's trying to leave. Exactly. A real woman would be like, let me find a job in New York. If you're spending all this money and y'all,

or she would have been like, well, let's move. Can you move to the bay with me? Can we figure out how we're going to be together? Well, let me not say a real woman. A woman that was into you. I'll say that. Well, let me look. And as I get older, too,

I feel like when I was younger, I was more okay with accepting things from people knowing that I wasn't trying to be in a nothing serious. But now at 34, be, you're taking cemetery chances. Oh, hello. Because you're going to meet the wrong dude, and he's not going to be playing about that shit. Like, I see all.

this money on you and you're not trying to fuck with me like that. Like you just have to know what type of predicaments and situations that you put in yourself in if you're not trying to take somebody serious. Like sometimes people be spending, they, not to say they last, but they be spending it on you because they feel like it's going to be something. And I mean, God willing, life is long. Yeah. Life is also short.

Like, let's be real. Yeah. You spend your 30s. 30 to 34 is way more significant that I think people really. Yeah, like I have to take shit seriously now. Yeah, we're adults for real. I ain't about to just start new relationships when I'm 40, 50, all that shit. Like, this is a thing now of where you got to spend.

It sounded like a nice guy got used. It did. Yeah. But, okay, devil's advocate. Okay. How you know that's her side, nigger? Oh, you know. Oh, you're saying he's the side.

No, he said that her side nigga texts her. How you know that? Like, what's the proof of that? That could be somebody that she's trying to get rid of and she can't exactly get serious with you. Because she hasn't gotten rid of him yet. I'm guessing he read the text. You're guessing, though. But he said he saw the text.

She got a good point, though. But he said he saw the text, right? But this is the thing. This is why I say stay out of people phones. I need to take my own advice because I'm damn near in a two-te. You need to stay out of people phones because you don't always know the context of that text message that you saw. What you might take as. If I looked through my girl's phone and I see I missed you last night was great.

Just know, I put that place. You see how that alone. No, I put that pussy on them. Some shots, the next one? You never fucking know. I'm going to take some shots. You can't wait till the you all lands in San Francisco. Loom.

Yeah, like, hell. He saw the text messages. He don't know. Because I've tried to break it off with somebody before I got into something with somebody else. And if that person would have looked and said, oh, you still fucking with this person? No, but I'm slowly like rocking them to sleep to get out of this. I'm not just going to cut them off immediately. I get that.

I had a rocked-down-knit-up to sleep before. And he was not trying to. He was fighting that. bitch. I'm up, bitch. I feel you on that. But I, and I will say as far as on the other end, I think a lot of times the signs be there. You feeling got now. So you knew that that girl really wasn't into it.

Yeah, he's feeling it. Yeah, he feels. Like you said, a sucker is born in. And now he like, damn, I lost 16 bands to this bitch. Yeah. She has to work it off. You got to work off 16 bands. So you got to take your L and goster and just move on. By the way, the mirrors is so pretty. You know, you're so pretty. The light.

Don't do that y'all. Every guest has just been trying to fucking compliment the virus. Period. They're one. Y'all pretty, too. Skin is glistening. I was looking at, I was like, wow. You, y'all really do have good skin.

Your skin is emaculate. Thank you. What's the skincare? Chocolate king. Oh, my skin is immaculate. Don't know that too much. Do not call him a chocolate. Even him.

No, no, but Rory, too. Rory has beautiful. Why? He has beautiful milky skin. A nigga ain't never called milky skin beauty That's Irish A milk of magnesium

Milk of magnesium That milk I'm so deprecating But after my 35th birthday I looked at when I was 28 Same photo same day And I said I think I'm aging okay for a white person

You are You are right 100% It's these lights that fucking It's just like A lot of good A lot talks will do you right though Nah

See, look, mine don't move. I always don't move. That Botox will get you right now. But I like my last lines. Because it shows the expression. I like my last line. I'm always like this. I like for people to...

Nick, I'm pissed off. Bitch, fuck you. I like for people to wonder what I'm thinking. You don't know. You're not getting nothing. So I just think of this all the time. Yeah. Face tight.

Don't know shit. So in news. What? Kendrick just replied. What is they thinking? I'm like, oh my gosh, girl, she died. She is dead. She died, girl.

And it's giving nothing. Right. But damn bitch for real. I did the shit under my eye, which I talked about in the pod. No, not Botox. The under I. P.R. Filler.

When they take blood from... The PRP. Yeah, to put it under my eyes. Okay. I've always had like dark shit under my eyes. Yeah. Which is still kind of there. No.

Do you like it? It worked. Yeah. I think it worked. Yeah, it definitely worked. Yeah. But no, I definitely didn't get eye filler shit. I just put my own blood into my own eye.

I think men need to stop being afraid of getting treatment. I'm on camera for a living. Exactly. Go get you a facial. I need to look good. Yes. I still look trash, but I'm saying like- No, you don't.

You look good. Hairline's still there. I paid all that and was like, eh, didn't really help. No, but I'm telling you, if you go get a facial every six weeks, it'll change your life. Every six weeks, go get a facial.

No, I've been on skincare forever. Yeah. I just have white skin. Yeah. Like, the whole time I've known you, you look the same. You haven't had an age. Oh, thanks. Yeah, you haven't aged.

You're not a banana pill after all. Thanks, man. We have one more voice, like, coochie. Okay. That's put my whole face into it. That's it. That's where I got to cleanse.

JD the vampire. Oh, we got one more. Sorry. Yo, what's good, y'all? This is D.R. from Chicago. Big fan of the pod. Met them all out here at Soho. Last time y'all were in town.

Okay. And I appreciate him being cool and saying, what's up? Just have a relationship question for y'all real quick. me and my girl, we've been together for almost five years now. Definitely had some ups and downs, some bumps in the road. But at the start of this year, we really decided to work on things, stay together, do therapy, pretty much everything, you know, into the relationship. We finally got to this point now, and she told me she wants to take a break, wants to put the relationship on pause, and she needs some time for herself alone.

and me being respectful of our relationship and her. I told her that's cool, but I don't really do breaks. And if we are taking space, this is a breakup for me. And I don't want you to expect me to be here when you figure out what you need to figure out. So really, just calling for advice on this situation. Am I in the wrong? Should I give her the space? Should I wait for our relationship?

should I just move on. I know five years in a long time and should be thinking about marriage and everything, but just need some advice from you guys. And I know Maul probably just going to say dump her, but I really do love her. Mall is me. Spent a lot of time in this relationship.

He hurt. This is a serial monogamous. I know how y'all are viewing this. I'm viewing this different. He loves this girl to death, but if she wants to move on, he wants to go be in a relationship

with the next bitch he needs. I can already feel that energy. If you're this quick to be like, all right, so if it's done, let me move. He's not trying to fuck a bunch of bitches. He's trying to find another partner.

He wants to be. He's trying to find him. For him, at five years, he said they're in therapy. He was ready. A man is going to therapy with you. He's ready for marriage.

Serial monogamous. I'm not saying he's a bad person. I'm saying he's going to fuck himself over because if she's saying is done done, he's going to find the next bitch and getting a relationship. And I'm going to say this.

It's not going to go away. I agree. From a woman's perspective, if I'm being honest, how I feel, I can't speak for her, I don't know her. But I would say a woman being in a relationship for five years, and she's talking about, let's take a break. She's trying to ease you into like, she's kind of over it. Yeah. Five years, we know if we want to get married.

And if she wanted to be married to you, she's, you want to get married, A. That's what I'm saying. So I think she's saying take a break to ease the blow of it's not working out for her. Yeah. Yeah. So I think he needs to probably heal and do what he has. to do. Don't jump into a relationship, but I think it's kind of done. Like I said,

as women, we want to get married ASAP, but it's not up to us. It's up to y'all. Me and proposed. Because men propose. I'm not about to propose. How fast did you know if you were married somebody, though? As soon as you meet a guy, you know you were married. After like the first few months, I'm going to know if this is something that I can see

some longevity in or if it's just... Longivity in marriage is different. Okay, so we'll divorce and I'm going to get a new one. I will know if I can see myself being with you. long term. After a few months, for sure. At the end of the day, I always say this. First day, maybe even second, third day, people are showing up with their representatives. Okay. You're not being your real self. I disagree, but okay. After a few months, six months of us being around each other, I'm a note of real you. And I'm,

because you can't hide it. You're going to eventually show up as your real self. You're not going to be this person that you were trying to make me feel like, oh, he's so great, he's so endearing, he's so charming, whatever. The real parts of you are going to come out six months into dating us being around each other day. I can't say I love a woman until I've seen her toenails with no polish. But if you see him with no polish, then you know the real her. Yeah. Because some girls' feet are still cute with no polish, some or not. Right. So that's going to do, you know what I mean? And that's fair. But then now you know, either she's going to be my wife or she's night. So that's what I'm saying. Within that first,

you know, the fact she even justified that with a real conversation. Well, y'all seen boomerang? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all seen boomerang? He's seen them told the next morning. He said, oh, actually. You have like a foot fetish or something? I wouldn't say a foot fetish, but I appreciate

a woman that takes care. A nice. He likes some white. He likes some white toes. I mean, everybody has their deal breakers. That's understandable. Yeah. All right. I feel like living with someone is when you find those out. Like, not anything. Yeah, I get it. Six months in, yeah, people will reveal themselves. But if you don't live with somebody, you never really going to know them. That's fair, but a lot of people don't like checking up.

Like some people feel like, okay, in order for us to live together, we need to get married. We need to be engaged or we need to be married. A lot of times, men will move in, y'all, y'all. Unless you West Indian from the 90s, no, times have changed. No, but I'll say this. People can live together and just be girlfriend. We don't want to move in because once we move in, they get comfortable.

Oh, we don't need to get married, baby. Yeah, that's too. We have everything we need. They take it less serious. I feel like, we already doing everything that couple. We already doing everything that married people do. Why we need to get married? They put a title on it.

Okay. So then I guess I'll ask you all, especially as successful women, why would the government solidify that? Why does marriage matter that much? If you guys are doing that and everything is everything. I know. That's why it's so expensive to get divorced. But we always say this.

If me and you are married, Rory, and you pass away, they're going to put me on an obituary as his friend. His special friend. I get no benefit. And I'll be down if I be a nigger's special friend. I'm trying to be looking at. J.D. for 10 years and I'm your special friend? Right.

I just told my doctor, I showed him all the close friends. Like, yeah, they got it. They're cool. Add them to the list. No. But that's the reason for a will. Like, I have the same thing. I'm not married.

But I have something in my will that no matter what, the mother of my child will reap benefits based off my will. Well, not everybody is. Savannah. You are a good man. And you also. What's not. Niggas don't do that want

Niggas do not have wheels Niggas ain't got wheels Niggas ain't got wheels Do you have a will? No Exactly! Thank you! Queen proving!

Thank you. Being a good man to make sure your daughter's okay if you die is crazy. But that's not what you said. You didn't say to make sure your daughter was okay. You said you're going to make sure your baby mama okay. If I die and she's alive, would I not want the mother of my child

to take care of my daughter? No, no, no, but you ain't. But okay, so Amara, 25, do you still give your baby mother benefits from your will? Am I dead? Yes. What? I'll be dead. Okay. What I'm saying is if

you die and Amara is 25, will you keep in your will that your baby mama gets benefits as well as Amara obviously getting her benefits. Okay, so then that's something separate because Amara's 25, she got a job, she has the benefits that you gave her, and you still going to make sure your baby mom is okay. Because let me tell you something. Your baby

is 18 and you my husband, take that bitch out the wheel. Take up! Get her ass out of here. I mean, she's right, though. That's something you might encounter. She's right. Hey.

Because why is you in? You can't be married and had a baby mama in the will in Amara 35. Exactly. I agree. Because why have baby mama still in your wheel? As your wife, like, if I was your wife, I'd be like, so what the fuck we're about to be about your baby mom? In a relationship.

If we're in a relationship. I feel that, though. I feel that. If we're in a relationship and your will has your baby mama in and your child is grown. So why is she in the wheel? Well, how much money is it? I don't give a damn $500 million. It's over than $16K to go to the bay.

I'll tell you that much. Just send her her two mill and then we can write her off. Why is she in the will? But I feel like marriage. But I've taken life insurance. This is different than just like liquid cash. If we want to get like to real conversation. I've taken out life insurance policies on her, on Mara, on everyone.

To make sure everybody good. Roy said if somebody die, I'm getting that paper. No, they get that paper. Yeah. Like, if I die, all of, everyone is going to, I'm paying the interest on everything for everybody in my life. But I think outside of the business thing. But I want to make sure, like, listen, I get that too, the marriage part of like, say I get married to somebody else. Say, like, yo, why you got your baby mother?

Yeah. Her well-being is still always going to be important to my fucking kid. Right, exactly. I get that. I just pay her off then. Yo. It's not that bad. Jesus great.

baby moms nowhere near the will the family after. No, because why? As the wife, why is your baby mama in the wheel? Like, I'm 100%. I feel like even with me saying, like, yeah, just give her $2 million, $5 million, whatever. If you get $100 million, give her $5 million, give her $10 million, I don't even give a fuck. That's cool. But why is she in the wheel?

Because she's family. My mother was worse to me than any girl or baby mother could be to me. and she's in my will. It's a family thing. Everyone has to be taken care of in a family. That's that Irish shit. Yeah. Unfortunately.

Yeah. But I'm also saying, thank God we ain't Irish. And also, if I was dating a girl that had a kid with another man and she was like, yeah, my life insurance has to go with that, I wouldn't be. You would be true of me. No, I wouldn't at all. But I get it. That's a family unit that has to happen whether we're connected or not.

Right. I respect that. That's why I don't think that's weird. But I think outside of the business stuff. If I'm taking care of her on some other. the shit, that's weird. Like, we all alive and you taking care of your baby mother with money outside of child support. Yes, I would get that.

Like, that's weird. What you're doing. But if we all, if I'm dead, yeah, but like, I got to make sure my family okay. Bitch, I'm dead. You're tripping on me. But no, I feel like outside of the business aspect. You looking at my coffin, wanting to fucking sub- sub-tweet me. Like, yeah, right. But I think outside of the, because I think every time

we talk about marriage, we talk about business and the money, but outside of that. Because marriage is a business. Right, but I, I mean, for religious purposes, like, that's something that you do before God. It's a family. It's a unit. So I think honestly, we need to get back to love. That's the issue. People don't want to show their commitment and before God and committing your love to somebody before God. Like, you know, the dedication like that shows really, that shows true discipline, commitment, all that, all those things. So I think outside of the business stuff, it shows a lot of

your commitment to a person and to God as well. Can I ask you as Lexus? Someone that grew up Irish Catholic, Christian, everything. I'm Catholic too. Would you accept a marriage that was done in a church by a pastor every last thing said, but not register to the government? No, that's not a marriage. So why are we talking about we have to do this for God? Because if we do it for God, let's do it in a church, a pastor, make sure that we are married, but why have to do it with the government? Well, I say this for me. I look at marriage as abusive.

Well, I can, two things can be true. Because I have things to protect as well. I have things to protect. I'm not just saying like, oh, because if you and we get a divorce, I get a million dollars a month, I have businesses that I need to protect. So we both need to go in this protecting ourselves as well. So not only am I doing it before God, I can do it from a business aspect as well. So I think two things can coexist. Do you want a pre-nup?

Absolutely. Yes. I have things to protect. But it needs to make sense. It needs to be specific. But pre-nups aren't a bad thing. I agree. I agree.

I'm just happy that I sat across from two black women that said that. What you mean? For sure. Well, if I'm being honest, I feel like the only black women that are against pre-nups

are black women who don't understand how pre-nubs work. Not black women. Women. Well, he said black women. I know, but I'm saying I'm correcting him. I'm correcting him. I'm correcting him. It's women.

Well, I feel like women in general, yeah, the only women that are against pre-nups are women that don't understand how pre-nups work. Like, you can sign a pre-nubs. how pre-ups work and still be against it. Well, no, because I'm saying I feel like a lot of women when they think of preempts that automatically think, like, oh, he's trying to protect his assets. He don't want me to get nothing.

A pre-nup can be negotiated. It could work in both of your favor. Yeah. Yeah. But I think a lot of women don't realize that. And that's why they're just like, oh, I'm not signing that shit. Absolutely not. Like, he's not about to think he's just going to give me $5,000 and he works $50 million.

Yeah. It don't have to be that. And then that mindset going into it is sick. But also, what do you have going into the relationship as well, into the marriage? A lot of women, I feel like that's why they be feeling that way because they want to have the come-up. But no, but no, not only that, though, because a lot of times people like to take away, and I'm not saying you do, but a lot of times society likes to take away what stay-at-home moms do. You're curating a safe space for your husband.

Being like a homemaker is a job. So absolutely, if you're married for 20 years to a man, why do you think Jeff Beckon's a woman? that why you think Jeff Bezos had no problem, you know, because that's what she was a billion. Well, not no problem. But you know what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is, we don't talk about it. When you own space, it's a little different. But like, yeah.

Okay, that was a bad example. The man that's making $75,000 a year is going to be like, yeah, no, she can't take all this money. Right. But when you're at home, you're taking care of the children. You're taking care of a home. Yeah. That is a lot of work. I agree.

No, of course. No, but I'm saying so it's like you are entitled to things. So I think pre-ups, it's a good, pre-nups are a great thing. Well, nobody is saying that they're not entitled. For sure, they're entitled. But I just think sometimes. Alamoys.

You're talking about a different situation. I think sometimes the premise of people wanting to get pre-nups is so they can, or not wanting to sign pre-nips so they can get the money. When they don't realize it can really work in your favor. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Do we answer this gentleman's question? I hope so.

Oh, no. I hope so. No, we did not answer his question. Well, yeah. Rory said he sounds like a serial monogamous. I agree. It sounds like he loves love. He wants to be with a woman.

But he knows that the woman he's with or trying to work it out is probably not going to work out. So listen, man, just move on. I would say don't move on so fast to another relationship. Spend time alone, you know, kind of reflect on your relationship and see where things kind of win. No, get away. Hold on. Wait. Okay.

Y'all are really dragging it. She says she wanted to take a. a break to take some time to herself and figure it out they've been together for five years. Why are you saying getting away from that woman? That's what she wants. How do you know? What she said was...

That doesn't mean that that's what she wants because she had a conversation with him about potentially them getting back together. And he clearly is upset about the entire thing. He needs to detach himself from that entire thing. Or he feels like there may be, you know, something else pulling out her in. And I'll say this.

Take a break. I'm not going to lie. I feel like he can take a break. He's doing what's best for her. He needs to do it. was best for him. Exactly. And that's okay.

Go down Atlanta, man. Or D.R. Go to D.R. With $2,000, man. And do not. You need to go to Atlanta and tell a girl, you want to be a billion. Oh, my God. You're good with 200 in D.R.

That's a fact. In 2000. 200 and Dior will get you far. Yeah, with 2000s, they'll never let you leave. Shout out to my Dominican. Now, see, y'all are right. They'll never let you get on that flight. Last question before we get out of here.

How do you guys feel about Mary Jay's husband taking all that money from her per month? Loser. Well, I feel like that shit is like. He's a king. He's a king. He needs a day. He's not a king. He's not a king.

Because what did you do? He needs a day. He was married. Everything that she just said. Built the house. Because Mary Jay was married. That's a difference. It would be different.

If a dude got with me seven years ago, eight years ago before poor minds became what it was, cool, that's a fair argument. Mary J. Blige been Mary J. Blige since 1991. This nigga got with her in like 2000. And I'm just throwing numbers off. I don't know. But like 2003, y'all was together for 10, 15 years.

Y'all got a divorce. Now you want all my money. But we built businesses. We created, we've created. How did the house down? If he's so sustainable, where's your money? You just wasn't moving smart. Because if you were smart, you would have put that shit in your name.

So we feel the same way. It's reversed. coming in. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because I'll say this. You know who I'm not mad at

they got some money, Nick Lachay? Because she built that Jessica Simpson clothing line brand when they were together. So I'm not mad at that. You know, sometimes, you know, if you contribute it and you helping and things like that. We've seen the diabolical genius that he is.

Yeah. Niggas would light eyes always think they could get over. Mona Scott, who? I am weak. You don't hear Dre at. Wait. What did Drey? What did you say?

You're repeated, Dre. Niggas will light eyes always think they can get over because they're an anomaly. In the black community, people don't be having light eyes like that. Everybody, everybody eyes be dark brown. Niggas with the hazel eyes,

the green eyes. They always think they can get up. No, I'm talking about Mary Jake Lodge. That's why he thought he thought shit was sweet. He said, I got a hazel eyes. He said,

Judge, I need more. Because in the hood, niggas be having brown eyes. They do. We all. Look at us. Look at the three. of us. We all got

I am so weak. I'm just saying. Do you think the civil servant that was doing their whole civil suit looked in his eyes? His eyes is like, nah. You deserve. You got light eyes. Judge Judy was like, nah, you. Yeah,

niggins were light eyes. Yeah, his eyes like. Ferrello, it's like you being white with red hair. It's the same thing. Oh, you are. You special. It's an anomaly. No, this was a new thing that this is cool. He was an accident. beat up my whole town. Yeah, that was not fun to be.

There's a new thing that people liked it. That's how I learned to fight. I went to all white school growing up. This girl, her name is, I don't want to take her name on here because I don't want to be. But she had gorgeous red hair and we loved it. It was like, oh my God. Because you were in orange Texas. That's why.

We had based on the name of. We ain't never seen no red hair. And the five burrows, we treated redheads like critters. Oh my God. Get them. Yo, I'll never forget The first time I got beat up Because I was a redhead

Just for no reason Just because I was a redhead Was somebody said Yo, it looked like somebody put a screen In front of his face And do shit in front of it No They said that fool

He lived through that I was just minding my business That breaks my heart Yeah I'm not a bad To you know The struggle of black people but, yo, being a redhead

It's not cool. It's cool now. It was not cool. It was not cool. I'm telling you. I was like barely bullied. It's Malcolm mentioned in the shoe. He was a redhead too.

Malcolm, remember? Martin Luther, he ran. I mean, he walked so you could run. That's what Darius says. She said he got called the hard ER, but it was ginger. What's our send off? And on that note, we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe.

Be blessed. I'm that niggie. just ginger. Peace. Bye. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.

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