New Rory & MAL - Episode 373 | Couples Fight Club

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

New York don't feel the same today. The Knicks blowing Game 1 to the Indiana Pacers has Rory and Mal feeling a certain way (2:54). Once we get past that, we put a bow on Joey Bad@$$ vs the West Coast and recap our highly contentious Twitter Space (15:58). Kid Cudi testified against Diddy as the prosecution continues to build their case (54:33). Plus, a voicemail segment goes off the rails as Rory and Mal suggest a good date would be to fight another couple?!? (1:27:51) #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Catch live events and other exclusive sports programs only on VICE TV. Go to viseTV.com to find your cable channel. The volume. Okay, guys, I know the mood is really damp today, but I want to remind everyone that we are New Yorkers and we are resilient. We know how to take a punch. We know how to take a plane. Oh, my God.

We know how to take a blackout. we know how to, I don't know, amongst other things. Rudy Giuliani. All of our mayors. Cuomo. We continue to rise above. So we will be okay. I want to make sure.

I see everyone is feeling a little depressed today. But this is nothing to a New Yorker. Nothing. If we were the New Hampshire Knicks, yeah. This would defeat us. But this ain't nothing. This ain't nothing. Snoop came in and kicked the whole fucking tower over when we was cool.

We was like, yo, we got two more if you want them. Yeah, I guess. I mean, you know, I mean, just Tibbs just stood there and watched the whole thing happen. Like, that's the problem I have with all of this. But whatever, man. That's what it is. New York is just, it's raining, it's cold today. The coffee is stale.

The donuts are old. I mean, nobody is, you know, nobody's even honking their horns. They don't care if you cut them off. New York is just in a day. different mood today. Mo, this is what, this is how they want us to feel. You don't understand. You're letting them win right now. You're letting

Halliburton and the oil companies win. Yeah, no, but Halliburton. This is how they want us to feel. They're happy that we feel us down. We have to get up and positive smile like, nah. What would Jaylen Brunson do? What would our leader? What would our father say? No, he doesn't want us feeling this way. If Brunson doesn't feel this way, I don't feel this way. No, Brunson. Who wants game one? Game one is like, that's weird shit. Brunton feels terrible. today. Dog, nobody even fucks with Game 1 like that.

Who wants to be the first of the party? And then to make matters worse, they said Halliburton went to Pagola and bought lamb chops for everybody. You fucking 82 orders of lamb chops. What type of, fucking, what type of terrorist orders, 82 orders of lamb chops? And y'all let him walk away on touch. Streets is done. Streets is done. Streets is done. There's lamb chops for everybody. He should never be safe in New York. Oh, man. man um that was a tough game last night but it's only one game that's the that's the good thing the game's over it's only one game hopefully the nick's able to bounce back uh let's let's get our energy up we don't

we can't let the pacer see us down yeah all right yeah it's like after 9-11 when my dad used to scream in tsa lines the terrorists are winning yeah or we'd be going into like giant stadium and you know security went crazy and my dad would just be drunk screaming the terrorists are winning Like, nah, Dad, we have to up security. Like, this is okay. The terrorists are winning. And you know, he thought like, he ate that. Like, he thought he was really making a political statement.

It's like, nah, you know what? Maybe we should take our shoes off, Dad. It's all right, man. We'll be all right. But anyway, we are back. Episode sponsored by Boost Mobile, Rory, you know nothing about Boost Mobile. You wasn't outside with the click, click. You wasn't even in for that.

I definitely was. Were you? Of course. Okay. I appreciate how young you think of him. No, actually, thank you. But yes, I was around from Boost Mobile. I keep thinking you're closer to 30 than 35.

That's what it is. I'm actually right on the nose of 35. I couldn't get closer to it. Exactly. But I keep thinking you're like 31. That's the problem. It's because of, you know, the lighting doesn't do me any justice, but my skincare routine, my youthful spirit.

Yes. I don't have a youthful spirit. I have such an angry old soul. Nothing about me is youthful. Yeah, not at all. And you have your duck dynasty. Just how I tackle the day with so much angst. Your Duck Dynasty Couture is back.

I love when you wear the Duck Dynasty. Well, I've never worn the short sleeve. I've only given y'all, I've given y'all the mesh long sleeve, the regular long sleeve. But I've never given y'all the short sleeve. This is, listen, man, this is just to show the pacer's this war. Yeah. No, no, no, I love it. You know how slow I walk today?

I'm never pacing again. Yeah, no. You will never see me pacing this off. Fast walks. We're not, never. Fast walks. Ever. We need fast walks.

Listen, man. Oh, man, we're down, but we're not out, Peach. As soon as Josh texted group last night, it said, go Nix. Nate Smith hasn't He hasn't missed the three since Josh They go next We got to kill I think we got to sacrifice Josh

We can take a loss But also at the same time Can we look into magnets I don't think that I've never seen a basketball drop like that Can we look into the theory of magnets in the rim and in the ball? Yeah we might have to

Somebody can we get like physics TikTok on the line right now To break that down There's no way that ball Was supposed to fall that way Yeah magnets Magnets And then two air balls

from Jalen right to Kat and Kat was kind of like open open No magnets I got to see a different angle out no there was a magnet on the floor to the two air balls In the bait They had the magnet

They had the magnetic Oh man I was with Demaris and Beatrice Watching the game At the crib I was like joking In the last two minutes Even when the Pacer started

Had a few shots I was like let them have it man This is an easy win Yeah Like I stopped like even paying attention I started making beats on Amara's MPC. Yeah.

Like I was having fun. And then I looked up 125 to 125. His foot was on the line. Thank God, we'll be fine. Oh, my God. Listen, the only thing that saved New York from a mass suicide is the fact that Halliburton doesn't wear a size 10. Dough.

Because if he wore size 10 and that was a three and they didn't go to overtime, that heartbreak. I mean, it's heartbreak anyway, but at least, at least the Knicks had a chance in overtime to win it. if they would have lost on a walk-off step-back three was that game was on ESPN last night or TNT all right can we look into this is the only time I'm supporting doxing somebody's address whoever is the producer at TNT TNT that then cut to Reggie Miller's face after the Pacers won let's find the address let's put that on the internet

I'm mad at them being good at their job they had to do that Reggie's calling it games we know his history in that building now but the timing of when they cut. I ain't like that. They had to do that. That's part of it, man. We just was on a losing side of it last night, but... I didn't even like Halliburton's choke Reggie Miller thing that he did. You didn't like it. Pause. At least Reggie

like added some heterosexualness to it. You're just looking like wild a-o. Spoken like a Republican. I like that. Ugh. Yeah. What's you doing it with it? The fucking dick out of your mouth, Halliburton. Damn. Sorry. I was really hurt yesterday.

Boy was so mad last night that he said, don't get home safe. Yeah. No, I like that energy right there. She was laughing like she was sweet. I don't know. I'm not laughing like, she was sweet. I just say, oh, I'm a little bro. I'm holl at you. Have a better day.

He said, don't get home safe. Yo, listen, I was watching the game with my home boy. He used to playing in the league. And we smoking on the couch watching the game. And he falls asleep, like a deep sleep at the half. And I'm like, I'm looking at him. I'm like, this is a good game. Like, how do you fall asleep?

Game one, Nixon, the conference finals first time of 26 years. So I'm like, yo, like third quarter start. started. Heel wakes up and looks at the score. End of the third. Top of the fourth, he wakes up, look. Halfway through the fourth, he goes, they're going to walk him down. Waking up out of a slumber, like, they're being walked. He just woke up and looked.

He was like, they're going to walk him down, man. So I'm looking like, you shut up, man. He was like, he was like, all right. He went back to sleep. He woke up before four minutes left. He said, mm-hmm. Yo, who does Nate Smith hit five threes? I thought he was sleep.

I turned to look at him. He was up the whole time. He was like, I told you. I was like, though, there's no way they walking them down like this. Yo, and even like, I was still confident when it was kind of close. I was even explaining to Demeris and Beatrice, like, the history of Reggie Miller getting nine points in like three seconds and shit. I was like, but that's like a once in a general. Like that'll never happen again.

Yeah, no, that never would never happen. That guy is retired. He's actually calling the game now. The only guy that could do something like that. That's when it was like generational. Maybe in like 200 years that'll happen again. Yeah. Walk down.

Yeah. No, I'm going to be honest with y'all. All jokes aside, that may be the worst loss I've ever watched in Nick's history. I was legitimately speechless. The Reggie Miller one was tough because it was what, seven seconds, nine seconds, having many seconds. But the fact that I think that those shots that the paces made last night were tougher shots. for Nate Smith to hit five threes in a row

I'm just like one three he shot from damn near the logo I just can't I still can't believe that game and then the Halliburton shot that bounced that was like the Kauai Toronto Raptors six of that shit might have been worse yeah that game was but you know as a as a that shit was so high I thought it was going over the backboard yeah but he's just like that the Halliburton has a high arc and shot

I know I'm saying when it hit the rim I thought that shit was going over the backboard yeah no I knew it was still right there. It was a great game. It was a tough loss, heartbreaking loss for the Knicks. Overall,

great game, but I do believe that it's just one game. We got to wait and see Game 2, see what the Knicks, if their spirit is broken or not. I think game 2 is going to tell us exactly what the Knicks are. But a loss like that

can be a series breaking loss. But I hope not. I think the Knicks are equipped with the right pieces this year to come back from a loss like that. I think they'll make some adjustments. But again, it's going to be tougher than it was because now, Indiana has all a confidence in the world. All I'm saying is jet fuel cannot melt still beams. A missile hit

the Pentagon. There was no evidence of a plane in Pennsylvania. And Halliburton was once ran by Dick Cheney and then was involved with every bit of oil and defense contract after 9-11. That's all I'm suggesting. And Bin Laden was a CIA agent. And how and how and And Tyrese bought 82 orders of lamb chops at Pagola after the game. Lamb chops for everybody. Like, is that confirmed? Like, I got to talk to security. Like, why?

Like, y'all just let them in like that? What? What? What? They wouldn't. No. Have some fucking pride. If somebody says, how many lamb chops I got back there?

They say 90. He says, give me 84. You're not going to let him in. No, I'd send him to Josh Hardhouse. You know, your family ate today? How are you feeling? I know. It was a rough loss.

Let's get some food in your stomach. Yeah. And regroup. All right. But it's all good, though. Game two, man. Look forward to game two. We back in it.

Go New York. I've only fucked with game two. Come on. Go New York. And here's my thing. You know, of course, it was Nixon in four at one point, but I was thinking about it, like, the amount of... Nixon four. I was thinking about the amount of income that brings into the city, the more games that happen.

Like, I think it's just better for the city if it does go seven. It's just bringing in more, you know, more money for us as a city where we can fix potholes. and such. Yeah. So I get it. That's why we've blown game one for the city. Okay. The tax, you know, payers.

Put some money back. A lot of money goes into the city for each playoff game. Got it. I get it. Yeah. Let's drag this out. Fatten our pockets a little bit. Yeah.

And, and at fucking Pergola, they pay New York State and New York City tax for those lamb chops. They doubled up. Yeah. Most places don't do that. Yeah, that's a fact. Yeah, you pay tax and tariff. Yeah, no fly.

You got a pay to come here. Rory, let it go back. I never never I'm holding on to this loss for the rest of my life oh the Pacers have been ruining our lives for quite some time yeah man only the nicks and pacers could have a game like that only the nicks and pacers can have a playoff game and i don't even like like like yankees redsox robbery like cool new york boston get it forever i don't even like having indiana as a op like it's not even like if it was like nix lakers i'd be like yeah that's that's an amazing robbery respect like, ugh, look at our

op for this long. I mean, fucking Indianapolis, Indiana. But look at how the universe works. The reason that this is a thing and this is a rivalry was because of the guy that was calling the game last night. Like, Reggie Miller sitting there, like, you can't write that. Like that type of

moment, that type of game to happen like that, first time the Knicks get to that, to the conference finals in 26 years and the guy that broke the heart of New Yorkers for years, that play for the paces is court side calling the game. Like this is like, this is movie.

This doesn't, this does not happen. Like, you have to, no matter what side you're on, you have to enjoy just the whole, the whole plot of this whole thing. You have to enjoy it. Listen, thank the Lord for Joey Badass. That's all I'm saying. Yeah.

I don't know if I was made into work today. Yeah. It's just, it's a lot. At least the universe can balance itself out. But yeah, I mean, that's just, how the world works and how the universe works, Yin and Yang, Joey Badass cleaned up the entire world.

So, the universe had to come back to us and humble us and balance everything out. That's cool. I was chilling, what was that? Tuesday? And Josh texted me, hey,

whenever Josh texted me. That was the tone of, yeah, whenever Josh texted me, hey, he said, hey, are you jumping on the Twitter spaces tonight? And I have forgot that we had talked about doing the Twitter spaces,

just kind of talking about the whole Joey, uh, Joey Halliburton, Joey badass, uh, this between, Joe Aliburton. I mean, it's just, yeah, he's kicking everybody's ass. But, um, we had a Twitter Spaces. Shout out to everybody that joined the Spaces and spoke. Shout out to Mickey Fax. Lloyd Banks was in the Spaces.

Uh, reason. Shout out to Gina Views. Um, who else am I missing? Because I got the, kind of late at the, like, 45 minutes after y'all started. Yeah, I think you named. I mean, there was a bunch of people in there. It was a great time. Over 12,000 people joined.

So thank you to everybody join. Yeah, for sure. And again, apologies from my outburst. I'm resetting. I'm good now. All right. Twitter spaces was amazing. I had a great time.

It's always fun to talk about shit in real time with all, like, listeners and fans and everything. Like, it's fun on the podcast. But in real time, talking to the timeline, I find it extremely great to just talk with them. And we jump to West Coast. We jump reason. and I felt like it was karma

West Coast tried to jump Joey badass so Reason had to get jumped in Twitter spaces then he tried to run and get Gina but Gina's service didn't work so Rees was sitting there getting his ass whooped screaming for Gina and she's just she has one bar can't even find the Wi-Fi

he kept texting like put Gina on stage yo not she up there she ain't talking that ain't on me all right let's all right we can tie this in with some of the recap um reason was trying to suggest that everyone won in this.

And even Gina, who is very direct in how she feels, especially after the victory lap that the West Coast had and there is no middle ground gray area, it's either somebody won or lost said the fans won. The West Coast looked way different than it did in 2024. Now there's a gray area for everything.

Now the fans won. I agree with them, no, but... No, you don't. But I, no, I agreed on the space. is I agree when Gina was saying that Ray Vaughan does not walk away with the L on this. He walks away with a W. I agree with them when they said that. He walks away with a W

because he's getting interviews? No, it's not he lost the battle and that's what we were trying to get across to you. What did he win? He lost the battle. He won a whole bunch of publicity and attention that he didn't have before. What on with that cloud chasing shit? But when you're a, but you bring up all the time that when you're a rapper

you need that. Like for your career, more people are now listening to Rayvon, which is well deserved because he is very talented. More people are now listening to him than ever before. Yeah, but don't mention that in a battle. We know, you're right. And Gina's right in saying that, but don't mention that in the battle. Don't tell me that he's getting interviews and his streams is going up and I don't tell me that during the battle. We know that. We know that's going to happen. It wasn't during a battle. The battle is over. He lost. That's the general. As a result of the battle, he's getting interviews.

His streams are going up. And I'm cool. Great. I'm not, you know, regardless of what Rayvon thinks about me like I'm not mad at his like I want to see him be successful he's another black doesn't affect your life yeah at all either way another black dude like I support that sorry he's another black dude is funny yeah like I support my black I support my black people like I support him I don't mean I like him but I support him right okay I don't think you dislike him I don't think you just like I don't think of any feeling yeah I don't have any feelings by Rayvon I could kill us but what I'm saying is don't tell me during a battle or after battle it's okay It's okay.

Today is just not his day. That's just, see, don't let it, don't let it take you there. Don't let it take you to that space. I always felt that Reggie's sister was way better than he was. Cheryl was a way better basketball player. Cheryl Miller is the greatest middle of all time. But yes, Rayvon's stream numbers go up, things like that. We know that.

But to mention that during a battle and when we're talking about Joey Badass winning and defeating everybody that stood in front of him or threw shots at him, It's like, don't do that right here. Don't tell me what the numbers are. Don't tell me what the streams are right now. I don't care about that. I'm talking about the records and the bars that will put forth in a battle. That's all I'm talking about.

Don't tell me that. Nah, but you know he's getting three interviews tomorrow and he going in and the streams. They also said that it's closer than the New Yorkers are making it. No, it's not. Like he didn't get his ass. It's worse. It's worse. It's worse than the L.A.

L.A. aliens are making it appear to be. And that's where I'm so sick of people saying New York bias Because that is not the case here The West Coast bias was showing so much Because we respected Rayvon's A little crazy, yeah First diss, I thought it was great I thought it was really close after Joey did the finals

I still felt like Joey edged him out in that first round But then when you get to the town My town And then the follow up is the golden eye record And the West Coast is trying to tell me it's still close The West Coast was saying the gold of eye record was like, they were like, oh, yo, that's the one. I'm like, it's not.

No, it's not. Saying he's gay in 20 different ways over a bad flip of the backdown beat is not close in the battle. It's just not after Joey and Loaded Lux clean everybody up. Yeah, no. It's not close. Even Daylight's A-O shit that came out after, which was way better than his first one, probably my favorite one that Light put out.

It may be in the top three of this battle. Still didn't hit. It was over after my town came out. I don't care what you put out after. Put out a whole. tape, it's done. Listen, it's over. I don't care to hear any more records about this or coming out of this.

It's just one of those things that was a moment. It was cool. All of the rappers, all of the emcees put their best work forward. Let the people decide. It's decided. It's not closed. Joey cleaned everybody up. Everybody go back to respective corners, work on your music, put out your music,

do whatever this you was doing before. But I don't want to talk about this battle no more. It's not even a battle. I like to, I did kind of sigh when I saw that daylight put out another record either this morning or last night, the end credits joint. But I actually thought it was a cool way to end the entire battle. He just recapped everything that happened. Like, I thought that was cool to really end everything because even I was starting to get drained. As somebody that was trying to instigate every rapper to get into this battle, I started to get exhausted.

I was like, all right, man, I can't, I can't listen to another one. This is, this has gone way too far. And even to, I'm happy that Ray Vaughn definitely. and I saw that he posted like a live performance. I'm with Gina in reason on, okay, it's kind of a win for him for the eyes. But if he doesn't do anything with the eyes, because I feel like attention these days is cheap.

They just move on to the next thing. So yeah, he could have 500,000 impressions, but they're just going to move on in the next thing. He doesn't capitalize. So I can't say, I can say for sure, Rayvon lost this battle. But on the other side, I can't say it was a win for him

unless he capitalizes off the eyes that are on him. It's not a win for him even if he do that. He lost the battle, period. That's it. But we're talking about the separate part of like who takes away from, but he has to capitalize all those eyes that we're looking at him now need to continue with, or at least, you know, a percentage of them need to move on with Ray Vaughn with his career and keep following him. Then I'd be like, all right, cool, that was a way to get more fans and more attention on you.

But if you just do a battle and then everyone moves on in the next thing, you took two L's, in my opinion. You didn't even use the marketing that was set up for you by top if you don't capitalize off that. That's two L's to me. Yeah, I get it. I hope that doesn't happen because like Demeris, I think he's tight. talented and deserves eyes on him. I hope he uses it to better his career because he is a good rapper.

But if he doesn't, that's two L's. Yeah, but just stop saying it's a W for him if he put, if he capitalizes it. It's not. They always capitalizes as an artist. Put out good music, capitalize off the moment, capitalize off the opportunity to release music. But the battle is the battle. Allie I lost. Joey cleaned everybody up.

I hope everybody comes out of this and does everything that they want to do in music. I hope everybody's successful. But I ain't gonna be like, yo, nah, but he ain't really lose the battle because, you know, he put out a classic joint after the, nah, he lost. He lost. Which is fine?

Yeah, no, it's, of course it's fine. You win or you lose. They lost. Because even if, like, Demaris, back to your point that you were saying, them all right, if his streams go up, more attention goes up, then that's a win.

That's kind of like saying, okay, Drake didn't lose because he was still the most streamed artist at the end of the year. It's like, nah, he still took an L by the court of public opinion. I was, I didn't want to bring that up, but I was looking at you waiting for you to be like, but you, you being. By the court of public opinion, Drake took an L, but at the end of the year, he was the highest streamed

artist of the year. And no one went, oh, never mind, Drake didn't take an L. But that's completely different because that's completely different because Drake had, and we said this before the battle, Drake had nowhere to go but down. There was nothing he could have. have gained from this battle other than when we mentioned during the DJ head interview, the he could completely kill that boogeyman shit. Like, I'm the real boogeyman.

That was the only thing that he had to gain from this battle. If he beat Kendrick, I had said he would be in the absolute conversation of one of the greatest rappers of all times. Like if he cleaned up, like, yeah, that would have been like, all right. But that was the only accolade he had to. That was the only accolade he had to gain, right? Which is a big accolade, but he's already at the top. With Rayvon, Rayvon had nowhere to go but up.

So that's why I'm just saying the streaming numbers, you can't say someone didn't take a L just because they got more streaming. But nobody said that he didn't take a L. Okay. Nobody, yeah, nobody said that. Well, I mean, literally the entire West Coast thinks that shit was better than ether and takeover. He's stupid. I can really appreciate it.

As New York crab in the barrel, like we don't stick together shit, I do admire how much the West Coast will defend blindly, knowing they sound insane. and still be like, nah, Ray cleaned everybody up. So what I can appreciate that type of support. I don't think that it's blindly. I do think that we have different opinions on what music sounds better because we do have different sounds. So I do think that they truly believe that it was closer than it was because they might

value Ray's swag more than they value Joey Badass. What was the name of the Daylight record that he had to chop cheese as the artwork, that Daylight even took off his own YouTube page? I want to lend some West Coast ears so they can tell me if that sounds good. I'm cool with having different ears if that sounds good to y'all. No, that wasn't. I didn't even really see them standing up for daylight. I saw them really standing up for Ray.

And that's actually what I want to talk about. I'm glad you brought that up. The only person I felt actually had something to lose in this battle for real was daylight. Because us even came in here, we were shaking for Joey. Because he has, rightfully so, the status. of being an alien. He's one of those. We revered Daylights Penn

probably more than most rappers, period. Well, because he's a battle rapper. And the expectations were so high for him. How he delivered was so underwhelming. I felt like that was kind of the only real L that somebody could have taken in this. Because like DeMaris said, the only place you can go is up.

Joey's still going to be, Joey, he's still going to act no matter what. Daylight's brand, I think, was the only one that was kind of like, damn, that was underwhelming. We had no expectations for Ray. Yeah. Even with Joey Badass, we know Joey can rap.

He's great MC, but he's not super battle tested. We didn't even have the highest, highest expectations for Joey. Daylight, though. Yeah. He's the only one I think really took, like, a brand loss. Like, damn, I'm never going to forget this part about daylight. Because I only had nothing but amazing things with daylight. And, like, everyone should be terrified of daylight.

When daylight shows up, everyone should leave the park. He's that good of a rapper. Now I'm, I still think that about daylight. But this was like, I think what we learned in it is you can be a battle rapper. But when it comes time to battle rap on records with music, you know, having flows and things like that, it's a different ballgame. I think that daylight is just the cerebral thing works on a battle rap stage because you get to kind of be performative and you get the, you know, the theatrics of battle rap. So that whole cerebral angle is, it lands better on stage. The cerebral, you know, I am a god, all of that on wax and a battle is not.

I think battle rap you have to be a little more cool. I think you have to be a little cooler in battle rap. I think you have to be a little more charismatic. I think you got to be a little more witty. You're putting on a performance, for real. It's a performance. But you can't be, like daylight's thing is too, you know, it's too much of his own world that he creates in his music.

And on wax, it doesn't land the same as on stage. I can kind of perform and create this whole thing where I'm bringing you into my world. You know, with the music and on a disc record, it's just, it doesn't land the same. And that was the

disappointing part for me, listening to Light. I was like, it's not landing the same. If I take the music away and put light on stage with Joey Badass and let Light perform this, then it might look a little and look and feel a little differently. But on just listening to the music, it didn't land.

Again, his battle rap career, I think, takes a hit now because all the battle rappers have incredible ammunition now to kind of like go at light if they battle. Now, I still think light is a dangerous opponent for anybody. Of course. Because he's obviously talented. But I do think that coming out of this moment, now other battle rappers have ammunition, which is why it was so clever for Joey Badass to put Lux on the record. to kind of like, you know,

allude to that, like. Lux floated on that shit. You understand? Like, Lux can on music, but you see because Lux is a little more charismatic, he's a little pooling the things that he's saying and how he frames his bars and things like that. It's not as,

Lux can get into that cerebral zone too, but I think he knows how to turn it off a little bit when it's like on, in the music. I mean, Lux even knows how to dumb it down at the right time. Because we know Lux can leave Earth the way daylight. They're actually very similar in that way. of leaving Earth.

But Lux, some is, I mean, his most famous round ever was dumbed down. He repeated that he made a hook out of it. She repeated the same thing 15 times. And that's one of his best shits ever because he knows when to dumb it down. And we were talking on Twitter spaces.

The hip-hop purists are going to just have to face the reality that in the history of battling, the simple shit wins. Yeah. It's not who's the best rapper. You have to, the most famous battle lines that we all go back to are very, very simple, even from the most lyrical rappers.

Like beans and kiss dumb down their own shit, and that's one of my favorite battles ever. Even Hove and Nas, they weren't going lyrical, miracle, fucking 10,000 different metaphors, and we were like, oh, he's the winner because he had more metaphors here. Now you've got to dumb that shit down.

What's going to hit? What's going to land? What punch is going to matter? I mean, I think is that your girl, is that your tour, your girl's tour? Like, that was a finisher, and then Meegot came back and barred it the fuck up, and it was like, nah, I'm cool.

I think that was a lie. There's nothing that we can repeat. I think a lot of that relates to the Drake Kendrick thing. I think not like us is a dumb down just this record. Like it's nothing to think about. You get it as soon as you hear it. It's a hook. It's, you know what I mean?

Like, so I think that. The bridge is over. Right. Right. Is that KRS's most lyrical performance? No. Purposely. Yeah.

He made a fucking hit and that was the bar. The bridge is over. Sorry, Queensbridge. Right. Fucking buried a whole borough for 10 years because he just said the bridge is over. That's where I think, because you know I'm the on the side of the nerds, but I don't want to go through every single daylight metaphor when I can just listen to my town and clearly see who's winning right now. Right. Beats do matter. Yeah. Music matters. Like, what are we talking about?

Because someone even said that on spaces, she was, of course, from the West Coast, was bringing up daylight bars and like, oh, Joey just picked a better beat. Okay, why is that not a stat? Right. It's a music battle. Like music's now not important. Yeah. They're music. So, I mean, it is what it is, but I saw you getting some of your get back. You know, where's my Boost mobile phone? Let's get Punch on the line. Boose. Boose, can we get Punch number?

Cold Punch, man. Punch responded. I tweeted. I said, where Punch at? Just being funny. I wanted to kind of just, you know, poke some fun at Punching those guys over there. And Punch responder said getting ready for these three sold-out shows at So-Fi. I'm like, all right?

Nah. Nah. But do you know. That was accolades, right? Yeah, now it's a lot. Like what you can't, all right, man. And now I can't, how do I respond to that? All right, hit me when y'all done?

That's like what am I supposed to say to that? That's like when someone's getting cooked and their only response is, all right, but do I get pussy? Right. It's like, come on, man. Have that same energy you had before when y'all was winning. I have to see you're losing swag too. Yeah, don't tell me about these three sold-out shows. It's so far.

Naga, where are you at? Yeah. Come get your mans in the mouth of the park, man. They're getting punched on. That's like in the rap battle when someone getting barred up and it's like, all right, well, let's exchange net worth. Nah, that's not we talking about right now. We're not talking about that right now. That has nothing to do with nothing, man.

Can I ask you guys what your favorite part of this battle was? Because I know my mind is this. The fact that it's over. It wasn't, this wasn't enjoyable for you. We just came up. We're off the heels of the most fucking annoying and treacherous battle that originally we look forward to. We were asking for.

We got it and we all wish that we never got it. And now I feel like no one asked for this, but I feel that I'm very happy that we got this. I feel like it was kept very, like, respectful. Everybody did their best, and there was some winners and some losers that came out. I'm so happy to have discovered Kai Cash. Kai Cash is fire. He dished our friend, and he has one of my favorite disses of the entire battle.

He dissed our friend. He was our friend. He clean reason up. He clean reason not bad. He was in our group chat. Like, it went from jokes to, like, me and Demaris being like, not, like, you really got to, like, reply, though. And I'm here.

And I'm here. We're fucking with you, but like, that was a really good, like, I kind of smoked you, man. I'm here to start shit. Hey, Davey's. Oh, yeah. Oh, shit. Reason said he wants smoke.

Yo, Dave, I don't know where you at. I don't know what you're doing. Reason said he wants smoke, fan, man. In the studio and on the court, he said he could smoke you in basketball, too. I'm just saying, Dave, I don't know where you at. I don't know if you're on the east side or the west side, my nigga. But reason talking, he wants smoke in your free time, Dave. you know, whenever you're just not busy and booked, I mean, I think you should just...

I'm texting Dave right now. I'm going to see if we can get him on the phone. Yeah, just, just... Listen, man. Because Reason was talking greasy. He was. He was talking. He even called out banks.

I said, well, that's when I had to be like, all, slow everybody, wherever you are in the world, just slow down and stop. No, no, no, no, hold on. We're not going to just start calling out. Let's accurately tell it, though. We're not going to call out banks of all people. Like, we're not doing that. reason as he should had a lot of bass in his voice every rapper should feel that way talk that

way once we got to banks his tone did change he's like i mean we could do we could do we we could do whatever we can do whatever it's funny like no no no no no you didn't just sound like that yeah whatever you want a bad if that's what banks wants to do you want smoke with lloyd banks because i don't think you do but as a as a rapper and as an emc you have to do what reason did and accept all willing challenges you have to you can't back down and and shy away from nobody. I respect that. But I know when we was on that space is talking and reason, when Banks' name came up,

I know Reason's toes curled up in his boots. Because this is Banks. This is, this is Banks we're talking about, man. Like this ain't nobody to even play with like that. Like we're not, it's certain names when it comes to battle rapping that you should just kind of leave alone. And Reason is like a real hip-hop fan for real and pays attention to everything. I know he just listened to A-O-N-3 that Banks just put out.

Banks is rapping better than he's ever wrapped in his life. And that's crazy to say that Banks is still getting better. I had no reason I was sitting there like, well, shit. I mean, I can't say no, but I don't. And then we took it too far and say, I mean, if Ransom was from New York with this little different story here, and he said, no, man, I just had him on my project. Like, I don't.

Stop. Don't tell us about what you just had him on. He still, if I'm Kai, I might put another reason this out. Nah. You reason, rightfully so. We said he's allowed to enter the chat. His name was brought up, whatever.

But once Kai gets in and you have like a great verse towards reason and no response, like I thought reason your whole shit was saying you wanted to rap. Now you don't want to rap. I got to listen to this Kai Cash, dude, because y'all keep telling me about him. I know he's Lake and drums artists. So I want to get into his music. I got to hear what he's saying. What part of the city are you from?

I believe Brooklyn. Okay. Yeah, pretty sure. I'll check him out, man. And I'm pretty sure he's tied to, like, the junior mafia camp as, like, one of the kids. Because, like, I've seen him rap with, like, D. Rock's son, even CJ. Like, he's tied to junior mafia somehow. Okay.

I got to check him out. I got to see what he talking about, man. Oh, and I was such a phony friend. When Kai Cash dropped that shit, we was on FaceTime with Reason. And turned it up. Turn that shit up. We turned it up. And then I followed Kai on Instagram.

and then showed reason. I say, yo, he followed back. Because me and Rory left, literally all this happened. Me and Rory left the studio. We're in fucking rush hour traffic so bad that I got out the car and went and got food and came back. Rory was still in the same fucking spot. And Diss has just started dropping. Jay-Wan dropped.

Kai Cash dropped. CJ, somebody dropped. Then Joey dropped. All of this happened within like fucking three hours while me and Rory are trying to get home. It was fucking insane, but I loved it. Yeah. Listen, anytime rapping is the focus, especially in this era, I'm happy. Even if they're dragging it,

there's been so many times where bullshit has always been the focus. Anytime rapping is trending or on the front lines of media, I am a happy person. Yeah, I love to hear a lot, like I said, the Kai Cash, I never heard of him. But I'm glad that this moment happened because now I heard of him. I'm hearing, you know, he's one of the new, young, young spitters out of NYC.

So I'm gonna listen to him. I'm gonna check him out. But that's what this moment is able to do. It shines light on other people that you may not be aware of and maybe not be on your radar. So shout out to Ka' man. I'm gonna get this because I had

somebody else told me last night too. They was like, nah, he's dope. Yeah. But I never heard anything from him. So I got to check him out. Listen, man. Let's go to Quad tonight because I know Dave's in Quad.

I've never not been in Quad. I've not seen Buster Rhymes or Davies. Davies is in Quad tonight. Yeah. We running up there with a beat pack. And I'm going to give him all the information I know about reason. That's great. You are really, I.

You can't trust the way. But don't get a twisted, though. The one thing I do respect to my reason is his name, his name was called out. And the very next day, he dropped. So I got, I respect that. I respect when any time a rap, it gets right to it. We're not going to wait. It ain't no rollout.

It ain't no marketing. We're getting right to the music. And I'm not going to lie. I truly believe, and y'all can disprove me, whatever. I truly believe that out of this entire battle, reasons was the only one that was actually written in 24 hours. I believe a lot of those duses were pre-written. I think there was, I'm sure there was ideas and, like, yeah, I'm sure there was,

similar to what, when we had asked DJ had, like, did Kendrick have all these in the tuck? And he's like, well, I'm sure he had like a few eight bars or whatever and then pieced it. I think every rapper, though. Yeah, every rapper always has. I think they all have folders of just in case. Yeah, like it directed at certain individuals. And, you know, it's interesting now because the way cats. When Katz used to battle before, a lot of their bars were for like whoever.

They were standing in front. Yeah. Now things are more tailored to specifically who they're talking to and going at. But when Katz used to battle before, you could take a battle verse and tour the country with a battle verse. Yeah. Staying in front of any rapper and it feels like you're talking directly to and about him. But now things are more specific and direct. So I think a lot of those rappers had some bars already.

I think Ray Vaughn might have had some bars already since the too much West Coast dick-looking bar. I think that was the bar that kind of like perked a lot of the West Coast guys, perked their ears up and got them kind of like, you know, just like, you know, in case something goes down the next couple weeks, I got at least 16 ready. Of course. But then you add on to that and then it becomes you got to make a record, so you got to add, you know, just the music and then things like that.

But I do think a lot of those bars were written in the last probably two, three days before they came up. Well, reasons was definitely in 24 hours because he wasn't preparing for this battle. Like it's not like he was involved until that. But reason is a writer. He's a rapper. He's going to always have bars ready. His point of view of that was not really in the beef.

It was more kind of replying to like, hey, I wasn't dropped and, you know, a bunch of other shit. But yeah, just because he wasn't involved. But I've been with reason and there was just a small possibility that somebody may have said something. And he's like, I'm about to write a 64 and just leave it my phone just in case. Yeah. Yeah, all right. A rapper should do that. They should do that.

But also shout out to reason for having one of the only, like, cool New York beat flips. Y'all butchered a lot of those beat flips. Yeah, it was terrible. Like, reasons was really good. I mean, shit, Joe didn't do a beat flip. That was just Wu-Tang shit. But, you know, some of those, the backdown shit was awful. There was another one. New York beat

that somebody from the West Coast flip. They're going to say you hating. Awful. They're going to say you hating. What are they going to say I'm hating some more? You said I was hating all last year. Like, okay, they're going to say I'm hating more. Like, all right, cool, man. It is what it is. Listen, they, they need to change a lot of

definitions in the actual dictionary. Right now, the exact term for hating is if you don't think everything the West Coast does is the greatest thing of all time, that's now the definition of hating. If you are slightly, slightly objective or critical of anything the West Coast does, you're a hater. If you don't think they are levitating above us as hip-hop gods just showering us with the greatest music of all time, you are a fucking, bitter hater. Yeah, we got to stop that narrative. And you just, you wear Tim's to sleep

and other corny jokes. That's the definition of let's stop that narrative of the East Coast don't rock with the West Coast. I've been listening to West Coast music before some of y'all were even born. Like, so to call me a haters, like, well, you just started coming outside in 2008.

Yeah. Like, who were we talking about? The first Kendra got me you heard was damn. Yeah, like, come on, man. Like, it's nothing but love for the West Coast. But this was a good moment. Shout out to all the emcees, all the rappers that participated and, you know, put some music out. But let's wrap this shit up.

Yeah. It's over. Stop me if this is too much hip-hop talk, but I feel like we don't talk music as much as we should. We did have another interesting conversation on Twitter Spaces Mall. I had said that the West Coast for like the last 15, 20 years, at least since 2010 and maybe before, has been the mecca for lyricism. Yeah, I'll let that sit with me for a couple days. My knee-jerk reaction would have sounded very emotional on spaces. It was like me at the beginning of this episode with the Pacers. Yeah, it sounded like I was hating.

I just don't know how you could say that, and they just got packed up by one rapper from New York. Agreed, but they didn't send everybody. I mean, they sent one of their best, which is daylight. But who was everybody? What do you mean? Like, who else was they supposed to send? I mean, West Side Boogie didn't get involved.

Vince Tables didn't get involved. Kendrick didn't get involved. Okay. There was... Jay to Kiss didn't get involved. Fair. No, but I'm saying of the new

like Kissed first came out in the 90s. I'm talking about from like 2010 on, I feel like the West Coast when it comes to lyricists, they've had the most.

If you go from Vince to Boogie, Kendrick, Q, J Rock, Nipsey, like, I could continue.

And yeah, I don't know if another region can say that. Of that amount, there's been great ones. There's been great from Atlanta. But here's what you said.

Here's what you said. You said the Mecca. You said the Mecca. Meaning the most. Yes. There is the most lyricist. But you're just going on for the last 15 years. Mecca is like of all as like the earth.

Okay. Then all right. That was my thing with him. You're like the mecca. I meant with in this time span. Of course not. Like even the garden when we haven't been to an Eastern Conference finals since fucking 1998 was still the mecca.

We haven't won a championship since 73. It's always me the mecca. I get y'all that. I'm saying of just that. that time frame. Not of all time. It's New York and it's not even remotely fucking close. Hold on.

Actually, let's clarify, Mall. The definition of Mecca is a place regarded as a center for specified group activity or interest. So it doesn't mean just from the beginning of time. It means the center.

It's the main place, the main meeting ground. So. And New York City is the main place for rap and lyricism. And we'll always do that. Today, you think today. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Lyricism is the key word you're talking about. Like New York has always been known for lyricism. There are some West Coast cast that can get into their lyricism bag. But the West Coast was always more vibe. It was always more energy. It was always more style, like catered. It wasn't so heavy, heavy lyricists. But maybe now, what about now?

Can you name any lyricism? In the last few years, they've had a lot of, a lot of cats coming out of the West Coast that can really rap and get into their lyricists back. No, but I'm saying now for New York, Can you name anybody from New York that has been active after the blog era? Actually, Joey. Yeah, there's a few rappers. But again, I don't think that matches up to the amount that the West Coast has had it, based off just the seven names that I just name.

And then you even add in people like reason, people like Simba. Like, it keeps going as far as lyricists and lyricists that have been dominating with catalog, too, like making good music. And to me, that's big on lyricism, too. I don't care if you could just rap all fucking day. I like that every now and then. I like freestyles, but no, I like lyricism with music. And I can say the West Coast has been doing that at a high level. No, you've had some really, really dope artists come out of the West Coast in the last few years.

Like, I will say to that. Like, there's been a lot of talent. But there's always been, there's always been talent coming out of the West Coast, though. But I'm saying specifically, like, lyricist. Like, I wouldn't even say YG is the most lyrical guy ever. But my crazy life, he's barring up in that shit. And it's great music. The West has been dominating in how I feel with lyricists that can make good music and make good albums.

They're going to borrow up in this whole thing and we're going to enjoy the song. I'm just saying just saying that and then Joey Badass is packed everybody up is insane to me though. Because I get what you're saying and I understand why you're saying it because you're looking at volume over the years and albums and artists, things like that. But to say it's the mecca of lyricists at least in the last 15 years, you said. And then Joey Badass come along and whoever y'all feel like is y'all guys right now on the lyricist's side who can battle,

who can really rap. He just packed everybody up. So again, it's like... If everyone got involved, I'd be curious to see that. I mean, I leave Joey alone right now. I'm a fucker's in shape, shape. But, I mean, listen. Somebody said, Boogie, we need.

Boogie need to say something. And Boogie said, no, we don't. We need to hear from boogie. And boogie was like, no, we don't. Like, I'm not in that. I'm going on my son's basketball game. I'm not in that. Like, leave me alone.

My son is playing ball. He's looking like he's trying to really do something with this right now. I'm in the gym. Like, we don't need buggy right now. Even, like, Dom Kennedy, of course, has a lot of style and lifestyle to his music. But let's not act like Dom can go. I don't know if I'm looking at. The original Dom Kennedy, he is barring up in that.

I don't know if I'm looking at Dom Kennedy like a lyricist. The original Dom Kennedy mixtap, I know. Dom can rap, but I'm not going to look at Dom and be like, yo, he's a lyricist. I would never look at Dom Kennedy say he's a lyricist. He got a whole lot of style and vibe and charisma and all of that. But lyricists, I don't know if I say that about it. Yellow album?

Cool, because that was he was trying to make great music with love from the West Side too, all that. But the original Dom Kennedy mixtape, he's just straight rapping that entire time. No, Dom Carat. That's lyricism shit. He could rap. So that's also what I'm saying with the West. Like, they got guys that can go but pull it back to make.

better music. Like schoolboy I don't even think it's credit for how good of a lyricist he is because schoolboy focuses on making good songs. But you throw schoolboy in a leaker's freestyle with people that you think are top tier lyricists, he's going to hang. Like it won't feel like a misstep. J rock right there too. I feel like J rock on redemption dumb down a lot of stuff to make great music. Jay Rock can't go. I fuck with Jay Rock. Yeah, I fuck with Jay Rock. And let's not act like Soul can't go. Kendra can't go. I mean, they've been smoking us. It hurts me to say, but, you know. Well, thank you, Unique. We have to regroup.

Thank you, unique. Joey needs to hold a summit. Jalen Brunson and Joey Badass need to keep the city together. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. And since Jalen Brunson and all them got streets, what street?

We got to give Joey like Flatbush have, right? Atlantic something. Atlantic. Marcus Garb. Maybe the borough. The whole brook? No. You can't give him the whole group.

You can't give him the whole group. Fuck it. Mall, you ever looked at a phone plan and was like, all right, this is reasonable price, whatever. I think I can afford this. And then the month passes, you get your bill and there's 10,000 hidden fees and it's triple of what you thought the actual price was going to be. Happens all the time. And you just feel duped. Absolutely. But I found someone that doesn't do that. Boost Mobile, you pay $25 a month forever. Unlimited Talk, Text, data, $25. There will be no price hikes or anything that's hidden, no contract. This is what happens

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Cracker Barrow? What? I love Cracker Barrel. Extra Shop. Baby D on the Big Mac? Hmm. Are we now going to call Kid Cuddy a snitch? He's a rat.

No, he's not. He's a rat. He's a tax-paying citizen who had a crime committed. He ratted. He snitched on the P.Ditty case, man. Nah. He's a tax-paying citizen and snitching on somebody that deserves some jail time. But this morning, yeah.

So we got, you know, of course, there's no cameras in New York. York City trials. But Kid Cuddy says he and Cassie dated in 2011 after she and Diddy had been having some problems. He testified that Cassie called him earlier in the morning, scared saying Diddy had found out about them. Kid Cuddy picked up Cassie and shortly after his house was broken into, gifts were open. His dog was locked in the bathroom and security cameras had been moved. His dogs became jittery after the break in and he testified that Diddy told him over the phone, I'm over here waiting for you. Diddy snitched on himself? Later, Kid Cuddy's dog babysitter called to say his Porsche was on fire.

Cuddy says the fire was caused by a Monsoff cocktail thrown into the car. He identified the damage in court photos. He told the court that he believed Diddy was responsible for both the break-in and the car bombing, mainly because Diddy called and said, hey, I'm responsible for this. See, that last line, he told the court he believed Diddy. That means the court didn't know if Diddy did it or not. Okay. That's biting the cheese.

man. I know you wouldn't do a podcast with a rat. If Diddy broke into my house and lit my mother's Mazda on fire and I went to court, which I absolutely would, and say, Your Honor, P. Diddy broke into my house, locked Bayes in a bathroom and then lit a Mazda on fire. Are you going to continue to do the pot with me? Because I'm going to tell the courts that. Absolutely not. Like without question. I'm going in, your honor. Here's my security for me too. I mean, listen, it's the rat castor ready. So fuck you get your shit off, man. It is what it is. And we have Kid Cuddy actually hanging up on our bathroom doors.

Kid Cuddy is hanging up on the bathroom doors. We bet ahead of this. Cuddy, we're taking your photos down. I'm letting you know, well, I'll take your photos down. He bit the cheese, man. No, but all jokes aside, I mean, I think he had to testify. He was subpoenaed, right? Yeah.

But I mean, even if you're subpoenaed, you can plead the fifth. But I'm curious, you know, I'm not part of lawyer Twitter. So I don't really know the prosecution strategy. What's wrong to Maris? Nothing. Go ahead. plead the fifth. You can't plead the fifth on shit that,

I mean, I guess, but you can't plead the fifth on shit that wouldn't incriminate you. That's to keep yourself from being incriminated. Well, that's the rule of the fifth, but you can just plead the fifth. You don't have to.

Based off counsel, I plead the fifth. Okay, go ahead. He says his dog became jittery and on it. Your dog was jittery before that breaking. I think it's a good move. The dog has separation anxiety.

Every time you leave the house, your dog's shaking like a leaf. You know puppies. You know, Bays gets, shaky every time you leave the house. Oh, for sure. But I mean, this is a good move because regardless of what happens with this trial, there will be a civil suit no matter what. And Cuddy is getting ahead of that to say that he was affected by this and he is entitled to some compensation or at least some dog treats for the dog to help with the anxiety. Or dog therapist. I don't know. But I see what

Cuddy's trying to do because no matter what, there will be a civil suit and people will be getting money regardless of the criminal shit. But he's trying to get that farmer's dog, sponsorship. So are we. Don't say it. Farmer's dog. Again, I'm not sure what the prosecution is doing at this moment because it feels like everyone they bring up is not speaking to anything that Puff is actually charged for. So I guess they're maybe taking these first few weeks to just paint Puff's character of who he is. But from what I've seen, there hasn't been anything that like points directly to the charges, I feel like. But again, I know nothing about legality. And I'm sure the state of New York has a good strategy

and knows what they're doing. But yeah, I guess this is just trying to paint Diddy as an awful human being? What do you feel about the trial so far, though? Do you feel like there's absolutely no way Puff can walk away from this? Do you feel like he absolutely will walk away from this? I don't know. If the prosecution continues to go this angle of just bringing in people that are making Puff, rightfully so, look insane, controlling,

a monster added like a danger to society? No, because that's not what he's charged for. Like you and I both have said based off just the footage in that hotel room, we think Puff needs to sit down, but that's not what he's charged for. So when you're asking about the case,

they got to start bringing in some witnesses that can provide some real fucking evidence to what he's charged for. But I guess maybe they're just trying to get the jury in the beginning to see that this guy was out of control and that Cassie, even though she was giving consent in certain things

was in a position that she could not leave. Look at what this guy would do if you even spoke to her. Cassie had no way to leave him at this point based off the environment that he created. I don't know if that's going to then pivot to here's why it's a RICO sex trafficking case. I think, but the RICO is so,

because there are things in the RICO, I think that they prove, like I think arson is one of them. I think intimidation is one of them. Okay. You know, so it's a lot of those, little nuances inside of a RICO case that I think that they are absolutely proven to be true right now. And I mean, I've always, I was always very confused at the one-man RICO thing, but I guess they're

trying to say, like, his staff was complicit to this because they were booking certain stuff and involved in it. And I guess it was funded by his business, but I don't know if that makes his business a criminal enterprise just because he used the staff. But I could be wrong. Again, I don't know what that would be, but I've never even seen a one-man RICO before. Yeah. So, and usually within the RICO, other people are charged within it. Like, even when Godi was doing the RICO, there was co-defendants of why this was a crime syndicate and what they were doing here and there. Like, to just have one person, I don't know.

But again, I don't know shit. So, yeah, if there is, like, arson and stuff like that, yeah, it could definitely be part of RICO. And that's proven here. And, I mean, I know he's joking about the rat thing, but, you know, Cuddy was privy to the abuse Cassie was going through and how crazy he. he is like yeah stick up for your friend yeah go tell what the fuck was going on what he was doing with somebody because i don't have to cut he didn't even beat right it was just friends i hope he did he imagine your car getting blown up and you didn't beat i would be so mad that's what i'm saying and again i don't joke by the abuse shit but like have you ever been approached by a dude about

his girl and you didn't beat and you're like don't like please you don't you're misleading your energy right now like somebody trying to fight you're approaching when you not even like So I'm not fucking your girl. No, I've never been approached, but I found out why some dude didn't like me, like, years later. And it was because he thought that I had been with this girl. And I was like, I don't even, first of all, I never even had a conversation with your girl, let alone had sex with her. And that was the whole reason why, like, it was always, like, weird energy whenever, like, you was in the room. Like, you thought, why not ask me?

Like. You must have been her type. Okay. You should have went and fucked after. She wasn't my type. Oh. But what if maybe she, or he saw, like, in her phone, maybe, like, you know, some extra likes on your page. Or like, maybe he just had an idea that she liked you.

And that's why he disliked you. Cool. That sounds like you and your lady need to have a conversation. It sounds like you and your insecurities need to have. Yeah. Like, why are you? But, yeah. Yeah.

Like, you, no, that's just, no. So, yeah, I've never been approached. I'm past the being approached age limit at this point of my life. Like, nobody's approaching me. me about supposedly sleeping with that woman at this point. DeMaris, how would you feel if your girl had a history with Mall or, like, was a little too thirsty in comments five years ago towards Mall? I don't know if I'd like it either.

I'd be turned off. But, like, we don't know Mall. This is, like, we're not on a podcast with him. Just, you know, we know of him. Like, we see him get busy on the mic. Oh, okay. I feel like I would still feel the same way. Like, why are you being thirsty?

Being thirsty to a man is crazy. You and you all in his likes, like, commenting under his shit and he don't know you. All right. But what if she likes his pod like a little too much? Like no flirting, nothing, but like just be laughing a little too hard. Or like even be tweeting about like certain moments of the show and be like, oh, I'm all crying emojis. Not flirting, just a fan of the show. Yeah, I don't know how to feel.

I'm cool. Yeah. It's weird how that works. That's a lot of self-hate too. Like I would hate if my girl liked me. I tell people all the time. People would like, yo, I listen to the pot. automatic.

How? How you like us? We unlikable as fuck. Like, you're not my type if you like us. Like, we don't talk about nothing but bullshit on this podcast all day. You're not a, a suitable partner if you like the new Rory Mall podcast. That which is not true. That's not true.

We're joking. It's kind of true. No, we're joking, everybody. We appreciate the support. Please don't stop listening to us. I am joking. But, yeah. Yeah, because I don't know.

I don't like my, like I like you. I don't like my girl having hobbies or even. like his shit. That's kind of weird. Nah, like, listen to something motivational, like something, you know what I'm saying? Like, why you care about hip hop? Like, why you care about hip hop is crazy. Like, listen, I

think Lucky Dad is a classic too, but like you're always playing it. Yeah. Which one of your girls? That sounds like a real conversation. Yeah, yeah. That sounds like, you see, you let people tell jokes long enough, somebody going to say something that's going to land a little real, like,

well, all of that felt a little personal. It ain't, that didn't feel like a freestyle. That was a written. More, I took a woman who I was in a full-blown relationship with that loved Kid Cuddy to go see him at Radio City and hung with him. I do not have any insecurity of a girl liking Lucky Day. Yeah, you hung out with him knowing that she was drooling looking through his fucking draws the whole time. Like she had x-ray vision looking at that nigga dick sitting next to you. And you hung with him?

That's wild. Or she just loved man on the moon. She could have just loved man on the moon. Maybe she just likes music. Yeah. You said that she really liked them. Maybe Lucky Day has three amazing projects. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't have that there. But if she was like, hypothetically, like, thirsty about Cuddy or like, you know, I saw maybe in the past when we weren't together that she was throwing wild hard-eye emojis or like a DM or something, then I'd be like, no, we're not going to that fucking show. I'm cool on that. P-JAS, what if Lucky Day saved her?

Oh, I see what Pete? Who kid Cuddy saved somebody's life in high school? Everybody that's like 34 Cuddy saved their life in high school. That is true. No, probably like 28 because I was in college when Cuddy came up. Yeah, 28-year-olds like,

there'd be no 28-year-olds. They all would have killed themselves if Cuddy didn't exist. The whole generation gone. They'd literally, we would not know one 28 years. Yeah, yeah. It would just go 27 to 29 and that's it. There'd be no Pete Davidson.

Nothing. Just stupid. Oh, my God. Well, yeah. How do you ask that story for a lot of people? This trial is interesting. I'm not going to lie. Like, the more I kind of like, you know, read up on it and see what's going on and listen to things, I'm just like, man, I don't know.

As somebody on the jury, like, what do you think that their stances? Like, what are they talking about? Like, are they a little, like, confused? Are they a little, like, you know, indecisive? You think they're still indecisive? Or you think they're, like, leaning more towards, like, nah, this dude is definitely guilty of all this shit. I think they think he's an insane person, but I think they're sitting there waiting for like,

all right, when are we going to get to get to the reason we're here? Like, when is something going to be trafficked? Yeah. Because, I mean, yeah, I guess hiring a male prostitute consensually is illegal, but is that a sex trafficking RICO? Like, if you're flying like plane loads of prostitutes

across the country for a wild second? Then I guess maybe that would be, but if it's a, I go to back page and just hire a prostitute. I get that's technically sex trafficking this and that, but not to the degree that the fucking state and feds would do this. They have to have more info that we don't know. They have to just be setting this up for some bombs.

Like, there's no way. It's something that they're still holding that big joker somewhere. Because, of course, we already know that prosecutors in court always try to get the celebrities and that, you know, that's how they move up in the ranks, the tension, this and that. But there's no way they would do all this knowing that they could potentially completely lose this trial. Because then you're never going to have a crime. career again. Yeah. So they have to have some. There's no fucking way. Well, we'll see. I mean, I think that, you know, it's moving pretty quickly. I will say that. I feel like this trial is

once it started, it didn't slow down at all. Yeah. Every day is something new. Steam picks up. Did, uh, what's her name? Did Aubie, did she take the stand? I know she said that she was and then I heard that maybe she's not going to. No, I don't think she's taking a stand. Okay. Yeah. That was a rumor, but I don't, as of now, it hasn't been confirmed that she's taking the stamp. Did Dawn, Dawn took the stand? Yes, Dawn took the stand. She didn't really say anything worth knowing all she really brought up was the domestic abuse that she saw Cassie suffer. But I don't know how that. Just to kind of add to the. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Listen, even if, I mean, I want him to go to jail. I want, even if it's not for this, like I just feel like that man needs to be in jail. But if he doesn't go to- Well, he's been in jail. Yeah. Well, I mean, stay in jail. Let's put it like that. Oh, you want to. Okay.

But if he ends up out, do you feel like this was enough to tarnish his image? Absolutely. You don't think he goes back to being love? No. It's over. Listen, I've already seen the energy change. And of course, the timeline is an awful point of reference for life. But we live in this world.

I've even seen some of the energy where it was across the board, fuck, puff. Outside of like TD Jakes, it was fuck Puff from everybody. I've seen a little bit of shift in since Cassie's testimony with the red pill shit taking over the internet, the energy with Tori, the ditty shit, like shitting on women and propping up men as the victim is trending. That's a thing. I could definitely see the energy shift out of this entire thing

that Puff is now a martyr for men. and we need to prop him up. Look at what this great man had to go through because quote unquote women be lying. I see it. I see the Republican Twitter already got a hold of Tory. I saw what's that white chick that Charlemagne hangs out with? What's her name?

He's a mo' Tommy. Tommy, I think it was Tommy. Her show got a hold of it, breaking new evidence in the Tory case because, you know, everything on the right is to make sure, you know, you hate women. That's their marching orders. Even the women have to point out that women are liars.

breaking new evidence. Do y'all don't know the definition of evidence. Somebody overhearing some shit that wasn't involved with the case. It's not breaking new evidence. And now the Republicans got a hold of that. Now, Tory's a victim to the right. Like, we need to save this man and get him out of jail. Can Trump pardon him?

Like, it's become that now. I can totally see that shift happening with the right PR with Puff. People forget about all that footage. And now Puff is the martyr for men and women lie. Well, people forgot about that footage. Even before he went to, he was arrested. People was out. He was, remember he was walking around Harlem.

People was taking pictures with him and all of that. He was in the park. Like, it was people don't, I think we- Walking to Miami with King Lowe's. Yeah, I think we need to get to the point where we just understand that people don't care. A lot of the Tory, you know, I can't even say med cases,

the state of California versus Daystar Peterson. Even with that case, I just, I wish people would just say they don't care. Yeah. Stop saying he didn't do it or you don't think he did it. Just say you don't care. Because if the state of California and a jury sat in the courtroom and sometimes we know the justice system is flawed and things get, you know, mixed up. But if all of these things happen and, you know, a victim, a woman takes a stand and she subpoenaed by the state of California as a witness in this case.

case and she goes up there. I don't, I just something, I never met Meg, I see, but something about me just says, something about Meg says that she wouldn't get on a stand and lie. If she subpoenaed by the state of California. I don't think she would lie in the face of the state of California. I just don't, I don't, that just doesn't sit right with me. Nothing about her energy says she's lying. Now, you could have your feelings personal about Tory and be a supporter and all of that. great, you know, dope artists. I get that part of it. But I think people just need to get to a point where they say,

you know what, I don't care if he did it or not. Well, they pick and choose that because, you know, Meg did lie to Gail King about fucking Tori, but I always said, like, okay, what the fuck does that have to do that? I'd lie to Gail King about bodies too. Like, I could find... Why have to get on the news and say, I fucked him? I could find 30 million women that have lied about who they slept with.

Yeah. I can't find one woman that has ever lied about who shot her. well maybe i'm sure there's somewhere that's happening for me find it but even that like they pick and choose what lies to take because that's everyone's shit like yeah we've we've seen meg lie before so she must be lying to the state of california and to us okay but i've seen tory lie plenty of fucking times and meg just put out her statement that no one really wanted to address what she had to say they just wanted to call her a liar okay at first tory said i wasn't shot now he's saying Kelsey shot me. Sounds like a liar to me.

But then he also has it Uchi Wally or is it one mic. Then he has right after the shoot-in when people were saying, oh, Kelsey shot Meg, Tori was commented underneath like, no, Kelsey didn't. Meg's actually, as we speak, Meg's lawyers just put out an entire document that literally chronicled everything. All of them. They broke down every lie. They broke down what these blogs are saying because this is the, this is the biggest thing

with me that's really between the Ziddy case, the Halley case, the all of this. people believe, just because somebody has a verified Twitter account and they put some shit in big, bold font, people think that that is news. That is not news. Y'all are believing fake tweets. Y'all are believing AI articles. There is no media literacy. People don't know how to recognize AI anymore. Like, it's very, very scary how easily people's brains are manipulated. Like, just because you see somebody from the right, a senator or somebody come out and say, oh, there's exculpatory evidence that's going to free tour. and y'all automatically believe them. Because senators never live. Not you. And first of all, they don't give a fuck about you or Torrey Lanes. He's not even an American. They're pandering on your emotions.

Like people have been doing for centuries. And it's like no one is paying attention to it. No one cares. Because it folds into their overall goal. They don't give, they don't know who Tori is. They don't know who Tories. They don't give a fuck. But this case now PR-wise folds in to what their narrative is of

hating women and not believing women and, you know, they've been so anti me too. And this and that it just falls into their marching orders as is. And even like, I've been guilty of it too. Once you want something to be true, you kind of purposely miss a lot of things that are said. Like, when Tori texted Jason Lee and Jason Lee asked a straight-of-question that all of us have been wondering forever, and I'm so happy he asked it. Tori, if you didn't shoot Megan, why did you not take the stand and say that? His response, like, I got a bridge to sell, y'all, man. His response is saying, you know, I lost my mom when I was 11, so I took the blame for Kelsey,

so she wasn't separated from her child. So you want to separate from yours? Wait, that was a real response? Yes. And they, and the timeline, the timeline ate that up. And then the people that are sitting here telling me anything now, man. That is what was said. And here's the thing.

Yo, what is going on? This shit has gotten me and Vlad to agree on something. When Vlad be putting shit up like, dog, there's no world where Tori Lanes at the point of his career takes the blame for some random chick he was kind of fucking in the sense of parenthood. And then everyone under that said, Vlad, you don't understand the streets. Tori is a strict code. Listen, as somebody that has had people in court and go through things, I know what this is trying to get to the appeal. And while if the appeal is granted, he will be released from prison and allowed to, you know, be with his family.

Like, I know, I know this angle. And this is the, and to be fair, to be 100% fair in this conversation, this is exactly what his lawyers are supposed to do. They're supposed to create this momentum and create this thing of. of, you know, there was evidence not submitted or whatever, whatever. Like, they're supposed to do that. This is what they're supposed to do. This is what they're getting paid to do. Anything to get him out of the prison system and, you know, get an appeal and let this go

back to court so that he could, you know, still be out and be with his family. It may even be able to record music and be able to make money to support his lawyer, his legal fees. This is all part of just a bigger thing than I didn't do it versus did he do it. This is all what the defense is supposed to do. They're supposed to try to get their client out. He was just stabbed in prison. He was just attacked in prison.

You know, so this is what's supposed to happen as a result of that. Like, we need to get him out of that environment. Let's try to fight the case. Let's get the appeal while he's home, while he's on the outside. Like, this is what his lawyers are supposed to do. And again, like, guilty of it. When you want something to be true, I saw people saying, oh, well, Tori owned a strip club. and if he took the stand,

he wouldn't have been able to run, there's Miami law that once you're, take the stand, you can't be involved in strip club or places that sell alcohol. So that's why he couldn't take the stand because then he couldn't run the strip club he has. I'm like, you know,

do y'all just like type in a chat, GBT, make up some bullshit for me to tweet? My favorite ones is he was finally independent and he was about to change the music industry game. And just like Michael Jackson, they had to tarnish his name. y'all got to be fucking kidding me y'all have got to be fucking kidding me

please he sold the first nfti song like so j z had to take him out yeah that's my thing they got listen i promised one thing i respected what he was doing independently i thought it was great but don't nobody in the industry was like we have to take him down because he's going to change change i'm not going to say nobody in the industry

couldn't do it but tory will i'm not going to say nobody in the industry I will say that Jay Z is not trying to take down Torrey Lane. I'm not going to say nobody in the industry is trying to. I can promise y'all to one person who is not invested in this as much as y'all think he is, is Sean Carter? They say Sean Carter trying to take down DDG. They just got to, I mean. Listen, man.

Is there anybody else in the industry other than Sean Carter? Is there anybody else in the music business other than Sean Carter? Like, why is it always on Jay Z's? play. We are Jay Z stands, Hovangers, everything. As that, I'm telling you guys, you're giving Jay Z too much credit. Way too much credit. He don't give a fuck. He has no influence in the California court system. At all. And at all. Listen, man, and I'm fine being the pander pick me cast. Yes, I'll pander to fucking truth and logic. I pick logic. Because I love Chiggs YouTube page. Shout out to Chigs. He supported us.

Great in the podcast space. Chigs, I know you've thus deleted this video, but I cannot believe the level of delusion you are taking your page in the name of Tori Lanes. You had your man up there do a deep dive in how the guy that stabbed Tori Lanes, Chigs and his team went through that guy's background. In 2001 or whatever, he killed like a 12-year-old.

It was an awful case. And during his case, when he killed a 12-year-olds, his cousin took the stand, and his cousin's last name was Perez. The head of Rock Nation is Desiree Perez. They were suggesting that because in 2001 this guy had a cousin with the last name Perez, that Desiree Perez was also related to this person and went through the cousin to then have that guy killed Torrey Lane's. I also want to note that this gentleman is Mexican and Desiree is not, and Perez is one of the most common fucking names. These are Mexican Perez.

Desiree is not Mexican. No, but they're cousins, though. That's your cousin. Listen, man. It's not even the same country. Listen, I enjoy the bullshit. I think it's entertaining some of it. I think it's funny to see how people think and people, you know, how their minds work.

I think it's interesting. It's interesting. I feel bad. You, Edna has a cousin that I met with the last name Perez. We need to investigate Edin. Yeah. Yeah, he might be part of it. He's tied to this.

Yeah. I could laugh at people's stupidity if it wasn't so scary. And the fact that people, the fact that Meg even had to address this, like she just can't, she can't move on. It's really so sad. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're still being harassed on the internet every day and the court of public opinion for nothing.

Now, listen, regardless of how I feel, you know, it is what it is. But I will say what I've always said. If he's guilty, which is he was found guilty by the state of California. then he has to go sit down and take that like a man. But now, if for whatever reason, on the same hand, got to be consistent and fair, if for whatever reason Meg is lying about this, then she should be prosecuted to the highest degree.

Completely agree. She should be thrown in prison. I agree. Keep a fair and consistent and cruelty. No, it would be a lot of understanding is. She should actually just be prosecuted based off that. Exactly. If Rory killed a kid yesterday,

Rory should be put in jail. I feel like that's obvious, but that didn't happen. No, I'm... And I don't think... Does that butt? Let's just keep it fair. If actual real evidence comes out, not some faceless guy that we don't know

that happened to overhear some shit from Kelsey, like, if there's some real fucking evidence, I will happily... You guys can replay every clip of me cursing out, Tori, on repeat, laugh at me, I will happily come up here and say, I was fucking wrong, I apologize, Meg should go to jail.

Tori should also get some type of settlement. He did not deserve... any of this that was, I would happily come up here and say that. Likewise. But I don't feel that way. And that's another thing when people are like, oh, wait, for your gotcha moment, okay, I've been wrong mad times, but that's not going to. I've been wrong, plenty of times.

Plenty of times. I just don't feel like I'm wrong here. Like here, I just don't feel like I'm wrong here. I've been wrong plenty of times in my life and I've apologized plenty of times. And I will gladly apologize. As loud as we yelled here. I will gladly apologize if I'm wrong here. Something in my soul and my spirit tells me that I'm on the right side.

of history. And you know I'm on the conspiracy side of question everything. I see why everyone would have that mentality. We've been lied to so many times in our life that you should question everything. To the point that like when I find out that Johnny Gill lost to Stevie Wonder in air hockey and then Gerald Lavert did too, followed by Keith Sweat. I feel like maybe I've been lied to my whole life. Yeah. So I get it. Question everything. Yeah. I could see like one time, like a fluke. Nah. He beat all three of them in air hockey. Keep telling you. You got to feel it. You have to be able to feel the board in the air hockey. You fill the air.

You know, you can kind of, you know what I mean? You know where the puck is at. Stevie just, you know, his other senses kicked in. Touch, feel. Those senses just, you know, heightened because he can't see. Man, you know, when you were a kid and you were losing video games, you cut that shit like some real petty sore loser shit. I'm definitely cutting the air off so Stevie can't feel shit.

Hitting that puck right in. Steve, I have no idea where the fuck the board is. You cool? Oh, my God. Imagine. Are you cool? Fuck losing air hockey to Stevie Wonder. Imagine like just having that honor of being around Stevie Wonder, kicking it with him,

becoming a friend, soaking up game, like just being around Stevie. Picking his brain musically. And then like you just had, you know, you had the crib in between session. He's like, let's fire up the air hockey table. First of all, imagine and then you look at a TV like, are you, like, you want to play air hockey? Yeah, like if Stevie Wonder says fire up the air hockey, anybody that says fire up, Like if somebody says fire up the grill, he can probably cook. He can grill.

Fire up to air hockey is fucking crazy. Who was the person that said, like, Stevie was, like, double parked at a house party or something? And so it was like, oh, who's got the Lexus? And, like, Stevie backed his car up. Nah. I swear it was a story like that. This is terrible. Yeah, see, this is where people just go crazy.

I'm putting a little sauce on it, but somebody did say that they watched Stevie Wonder, like, back a car out because it was blocking somebody at a house. I could see Stevie Wonder, like, playing into jokes like that. Like people, hey, he's with his, you know, his circle. And they be like, yo, who's cars that? He'd be like mine. And then he acts like he's going to move it. I could definitely see that happening.

But that's what I'm saying. I think Stevie's in on the jokes. And if he said, Rory, let's go play air hockey. I'd be like, ha-ha. Then he'd be dead ass about it and then beat me. Yeah. Like, this is the Matrix. Yeah, then you could hear, you know, your hearing is heightened.

He knows which side of the board. The puck is bouncing off or ricocheting off of. Yeah, man, I can see it happening. Why not? Do we have voicemails? You've got mail. I have a question and a quick story about a man, but he's based in New York, so I'm not giving a ton of context here.

I apologize. So you guys have been around men with different degrees of access. My theory, and I could be wrong, I'm asking, is that if a man when he was younger was in a position to exchange his money for women's kids. convenience and time. No, they were just there. The money was there. I get it. Whatever. Do you think that man would be very good at dealing with a quote-unquote normal girl, as I've been described? I'm cool with that in the future. Or would it just be too fucking hard once you've had that convenience? And for the funny part, I was out last night with this individual. He's telling

he does all this reading now. It's really important to him. Time away from the phone. I'm like, oh, cool. What are you reading? The man says, my name. Comf. I said, oh my God, I heard you wrong. I thought you said that Hitler book. He said, no, yeah, that one. Like, it's really interesting to see where people started out. And I'm not offended by it, but of all the fucking books, I wish you would see in my damn face. Just sending you guys lots of love. This isn't even that serious. I'm already over the sky. So thoughts, theories, concerns, I have them. Maybe he's a history buff. I don't like my red flags to scissor. Like don't like, that was a crazy left.

No, but I don't like my red flags to bump cooties. Like, why do you have more than one huge red flag? Like, just have one huge red flag. Maybe I could drive past it. But you got too big assholes? Wait, hold on. I fully understand reading Mokoff would be a red flag for somebody. What's the second one?

That he, the majority of the relationships in his life, he's paid for. They have been like prostitutes. Like, he pays for women. But he wasn't in relationships without. He was just buying pussy. Yes, but that's, he's never had, like, he's not known for having regular women. He just buys. That is a red flag when you're trying to get into a relationship with somebody.

But when she was saying, what would it be like to date a normal woman? I'll give the other side of this coin. The main real reason for prostitutes is for men in normal relationships to cheat without any problems. But that's not his. Like it's for people in normal relationships. Yes. That's what old men do that. Why do people say that people say that people?

Who do you think fucks prostitutes the most? Married men or single men? I think both. I think both. I don't think that's a specialty. Yeah, that's why I don't understand when people say, oh, you know, guys that are in relationships are married, they have sex with prostitutes because they don't want no problems.

We see mad prostitutes cause problems every day on the time. We see mad prostitutes do IG lives and tell everything that happened and expose text messages. We see that all the time. Remember the golden era when people were paying for pussy in return for silence? Now you're paying for a problem. You're paying for a problem. You're paying.

She want a rollout. She want a Rolex. She won like, she won all kind of roll. How I paid for stress. Cinnamon rolls. She won everything. Okay, but I mean,

she did mention he was a man of access, but usually that only happens with men that have a high status and they're trying to get some attention based off saying, hey, I was fucking this guy, he was flying me, paying for this and that. You know, that's usually when we see when prostitutes or escorts do that. It's for an NBA player. But if it's just a guy that may have a few dollars and some access,

I don't know if prostitutes doing that. But, I mean, this, Pod is not the one to be well-versed in buying pussy. But I've always felt that prostitutes were there more for married men than anyone else. Like, they're dating, like, they're in a normal relationship and it's not working. So they, instead of confying into a regular woman, they just go buy some pussy. I like, I like, you said that. I feel like prostitutes are there for married men.

Because I could promise your prostitute is not going to be like, you marry, right? No, they're not. That's the thing. If you ain't, I ain't giving you no pussy. No, I'm just saying it the highest clip of like why they're so. in demand is more for men that are trying to escape for a second within their relationship where, you know, cheating is messy, especially if you're like really talking to somebody else. That's where things get crazy.

But if you just say, yo, here's $100 because, I mean, pussy can't be that expensive these days. This shit is just plummeting, I feel like, on the NASDAQ. No, pussy has actually got more expensive. Okay. Good for, all right, great for inflation. That's America. You know, filling up your tank with these prices to just go buy inflated pussy? Yeah.

I don't know how these guys do it. That's America. But that's usually what men would do. Like I know in this situation, I'm paying for something. It's a transaction. This girl won't text me. She won't show up my house. Like, that's what I always felt that was for.

Because we've been in the strip clubs that aren't like, say, starlets or like, you know, real strip clubs. It's usually like older businessmen that are probably married. Truck drivers. That are probably married. So I think there's a world where a man that did fuck prostitutes like could just date a normal girl. He may, he may still fuck them. those prostitutes, but I don't know if it's red flag that he's dated them. Or if you love, you know, great story, one of my favorite movies of all time, Pretty Woman, he got tired of

dating normal women and wanted to marry a prostitute. We had Clay up here said he prefers promiscuous women. I think in this day and age, that's probably more normal than it's ever been. That men are just like at this point, I don't even care. Matter of fact, let me go with the horror because there's no surprises. I already know she's one. Yeah, but I feel like men that only date promiscuous women. My ego is not built for that. I don't know. Go ahead.

I'm all said. It's something there, man. It's something a little funny about that. Like, why are you only like promiscuous women? Because they, well, in their minds, they're more fun, they're more open, they're more freaky, they're more experienced. And by promiscuous women, we're not just saying prostitutes. There's women that are promiscuous who don't sell it.

Sometimes it's free. But they feel like they're more fun. But y'all have always said that holes were fun. Yeah, but I know regular girls that ain't hos that are fun too. And I know non-promiscuous women that once you have an actual interaction with them and start dating for real, they're freakier than the horse. Ooh. Like, to me, it's more, I know where mall's taking it and I actually hope he lands that plane because I know what he's trying to say. I know what he's not saying.

I know what he's doing. That's why I said. But I also think those men are also sort of like lazy because it's easy. like they're treating it more like a high and a dope mean shit like they don't want to put work there's no work or effort involved like I'll go with promiscuous women because I know I could just be in like yeah

I've had that I had that phase where it was just like promiscuous women because you know they're not looking for nothing serious they're not looking to be tied down in a relationship which is fine so this isn't a slut shaming thing I think people should do whatever the fuck they want but I mean when you just like that's all you want

it's just like yo you're all right what you're going through man what's up like that's all you want to date is promiscuous woman? Because I had a stage where I would date a lot of promiscuous woman. But if I, in that moment, in that time, met a girl that was like a really good girl and was like, I would absolutely date her and be like, yo, I like her. Like, she's cool. Yeah, you would date her, but you wouldn't stop.

You would, would have been faithful to her? Or you would have just dated her and walked her like at all? No, no, I was. It was a time where I was dating somebody seriously in my, in my whole phase, if you want to call it that. Absolutely. Why you do that girl like that? Yeah. No, I didn't, no, I mean, I stopped.

Should have told her the filthy, ran-through man that you were. Oh, nah, she knew that. She knew. She, she knows she saved me. She saved me. She didn't even know she had community dick. That's crazy. No, she knew.

It's all right, though. Mall? Everybody had that. Nah, not that. See, no, don't do that. We're not going to say everybody. No, you involved. Not everybody.

Not everybody, but some women that shouldn't have. Absolutely. Absolutely. Knowing you got community dick is like, just why you sign it up for that dress? That's self-hate. Why are you violent? Community dick, though. I was about to say, let's not make this just a man.

How much time we got, Josh? Women like community dick. They do like it. They do like it. But it's because I feel like women like it until you locked it. Like you'll get it and feel like you could stop it from being community dick and lock him down and have a family and have a house and home with him. And then you realize like, girl, ain't no changing him. Until you see just how bad it is.

Like until you see just how much, how involved the nigga is in the community. Like what the ties to the community are. President of the neighborhood watch. That should have you crying, throwing up his shit and at the same time. No, he's ghost in the last season. He's going for political stats at this time. Dorta got killed, didn't cry.

Side bitch got killed. Like, he's cutting ribbons in front of salons. Like, he's that involved. Yeah, yeah. He's trying to clean up the community. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But don't do that because the same way we're shitting on men for going after the promiscuous women

because sometimes they can be more fun or easy. Don't act like women. that are not even hos have a phase where they go after community dick because community dick's fun you're going to go on a date at six o'clock and not get home until 4 a.m. You're going to go to three, four different spots. Community dick is fun. Pige cut the baby D. There you go. Look at her face. Right. So you're going to have some of the best dates of your life with community dick. He know all the spots. He know the waitresses. It's not worth it. It's not worth it though. He got the city on a lot. I mean, it's a fun moment, fun time. But y'all just getting y'all feeling.

and y'all be like, yo, I just want him for myself and he ain't, you know what I'm saying? He's not ready to retire. You've definitely went out with a guy that called the promoter twin, but you got a section in a bottle and it was fun. I've never in my life when I were a man that called the promoter twin. Him and the promoter got their own secret handshake. Yeah.

You walked in with. See, I think y'all make me look nasty. You walked in. That's gross. Don't do that. Yeah. He can immediately dick, but you on the riser at the Drake show. So y'all

I God is still working on me God is still working on me God is watching us I'm just saying Remember that? That was my shit in church That was a lifetime ago

I don't even remember that person Yeah I'm sure That was a whole entire I don't even like that That didn't even happen Did we help this young lady out at all? She left him She said she left him

But no baby them was too red flags It's two big red flags. Stay away from. Stay away from it. I've never read that book. Like, what is it really about? Don't, look at me. I know, like, the history that, like, Hitler,

he didn't write it, right? He was just, like, into it. That's, like, would spark the idea. Oh, he just straight up wrote it. Wow. Yeah, maybe he's a history buff. I've watched some Hitler's documentary. I watched hunting.

I wouldn't be mad. I would read that. But why is that a red flag? Yeah, I would read that. Yeah, I'd be interesting. Not to, like, be like, oh, this guy's making great points, but it's a very historical. Now, if I told you I'm reading that book

and you come over and the documentary is on, then it's like, all right, man. Oh, you're taking notes. Yeah, you're all away here. But, yeah, I see it as a red flag where you'd have to ask a few questions like, Demaris, you have the garage code in my house.

Let's say you just came in, didn't tell me and I was upstairs, like, just watching roots by myself. You'd have some questions. Yeah. That's a long-ass movie. That movie three weeks long. Yeah, that movie three weeks long.

Yeah, that movie three with commercials. See, watching it with commercials. Oh my God. Yo, watching roots with commercials. That shit is long order at that point. And like historical, don't get me wrong, classic, but like, why you watch this by yourself? Yeah. Like, I got to know why.

What's going on? Yeah, what's happening? It could be innocent. Yeah. But, nah, what's going on here? Yeah. It's questions. Definitely, definitely some questions.

Or if like every time you come over, I'm watching. You know, look at the book, the overview on the mind-calf book, 81% like this. book. See? And this is why Kanye said he's no longer anti-Semitic. Exactly. He's such a hipster. He's sort of 81 people like, nah, people get too much into this anti-Semitism. Yeah, I don't like it. He always goes against the grain. Now that it's being popular, he's like, now I want to. Yeah, now that y'all like the hell hitless song, he's like, man, no, I'm cool. I'm off that. I'm off that. But yeah, I don't think we help this young lady at all, but what the fuck? She helped herself. She left them, right? Yeah, she stopped doing what time it was.

Yeah, she knew what it was. So good. And I mean... Shout out to that young lady. But also, I believe in transparency and relationships, but... I thought she was about to say something else. But go ahead. No, I land your point from before.

No, no, no. Land your point from before. I'm ashamed. Man, look at the range, man. I got a whole new game. Got a whole new game plan. I'm leaving out that, like, I purchased a pussy. If you'd get into know a girl and you were like a serial pussy purchaser, is that, like,

something you bring up? No, absolutely not. Like we all leave something off the table because one is from the past and it's not coming back and we don't even fuck with that type of shit. It's coming back. That's why he brought it up. Wow. That's why he bought it up. It's coming back. He knows that that's something she probably would have had to encounter in their relationship. That's why he.

How do you encounter it? Do you bump into her at Starbucks? One of the girls you pay for? No, he was dating a girl and I think he wanted to test her waters, like test her temp to see if she was okay with him purchase and pussy. because if she would continue to date him, he probably would have continued to still purchase pussy. Oh, no, that's different. I'm saying if he had done in the past and then he's just here to be in a monogamous

relationship and like with her, but in his past, he's purchased pussy. Like, why would you even bring that up until? Yeah, like that's not a conversation piece. Like, she asked you, so what's for dinner tonight?

But you know, you know I used to pay for pussy, right? But if you haven't, I mean, sometimes you haven't like drunk strip uno nights with you, the person you're saying. Excuse me? You're having what?

Drunk strip uno nights with a, person your dating. First of all, one-on-one Uno is funny as it. I'm just taking my clothes off. We can fuck at this point. Damaris, stop bringing your personal shit to work. One-on-one, Uno is crazy with clothes on. Stop bringing your personal shit to work, Damaris.

Nobody plays drunk-strip Uno. You just... That's her lucky day. Yeah, like, what is that? Stop bringing your personal life to work. Please, leave it off camera and off-mike. The same way this gentleman shouldn't have brought up that he purchased. Yeah, like, you shouldn't bring up that you play drunk-strip Uno.

Like, what are you talking? That's not even a real. real game. Yo, if you play a drunk strip uno, Demarrest, slowdown. Nobody's playing drunk strip uno. No, now I have question. What are the rules? Okay, first of all.

Like, is draw two, two items of clothes? That's not even a real game. Because once you would draw four, how many, how much clothes you even got on in the yeah, what's a reverse? I got to put on your panties and put on my drawers. Like, yeah, reverses, I put on your thong? Like, what are we talking about? What is a reverse?

Like, teach us, teach us your moves. Yo, that's a red flag. in reverse and she's like nah but you gotta yeah you gotta put my thong on you got me this game is over I'm pulling the police yeah never want nobody's asshole I'm my thong that is crazy man ass on your thong is great man ass on your thong that would piss me off

yeah but back to drink strip okay so that's not a real thing I was just putting stringing words together I was podcasting I'm like what the fuck I'm sorry I'm good at my job I thought you had a flashback I'm sorry my point was sometimes you get drunk with your partner in the house and y'all are just bonded and having conversations

and I feel like that's when situations like that might get brought up. I don't think he just pulled it out like over the scramble eggs in the brunch and the Lucky Day album playing at dinner. Like I don't think that that happened. I didn't drink some of the best champagne in the world and I ain't never drink enough to where I was like, I'm going to tell it tonight I pay for pussy. And like go through the timeline. That don't come up.

My guess is she found something and like saw in his phone or some shit or like maybe there was a bunch of unsaved numbers that you could clearly see this was a transaction. because there's no way a man is just even in the midst of drunk Uno and we've all been there strip Uno was just like I just let you know like through my 20s I purchased like 15 to 20 prostitutes that's like really what I was doing

y'all never played Let's Get Deep or like one of those like car games for you. Yeah, I played them all. I play Let's get deep. There's every card in that deck there's certain things that's never coming out of my fucking mouth. Really? I don't care if it's a specific card of run through everything you've ever done.

I'm still holding something down and I want her to do the same. I don't need to know everything thing about everybody. The matter's thing we play those games. Even my partner, I don't. You think we play those games and really like tell like the real shit? The marriage thing we get, we draw to call them,

but like tell your darkest. And that's always when you're doing like the beginning talking phases where you're still trying to give the better represent. Your partner for real, they already know everything about you. You're not going to play that game with somebody. I've played that game with somebody I was with for four years and learned more about them and they learned more about me.

It wasn't like. How many prostitutes? We saw what? How many prostitutes? I don't think he's ever bought prostitutes. I don't think we got that. We didn't, that card. A girl bought that game to

we went out to dinner one night and she bought a car game. I think that's cool though. I thought that was stupid. I don't think I ever spoke that after that. Oh my God, Mom. Why the fuck are you bringing cars? If we're in the crib, if it's like we're chilling

at the crib tonight, the game is on, we ordering some takeout, whatever. We're in a real restaurant. The restaurant is crazy. I went to me and somebody I was dating at the time, we got drunk. at dinner and then we went to I got drunk and wanted to go in Target and he just was like

okay buy whatever you want to Target so I was just buying shit and I bought that game at Target Damaris bought a beast shit in November no you know it's crazy I tried to buy an Ottoman drunk I tried to buy Ottoman he said Damaris we're going to

Ottoman he said we're going to a bar after this where are you putting the Ottoman so you go sit on it at the bar I was fucked up Ottomans usually matched the what you have yeah so you just bought like a stray yeah one-off it was a one-off it was a one-off I tried to take an Ottoman.

That's like buying one Air Force One. Stupid. So, but we went, we ended up going to the Moxie hotel rooftop and we were just chilling having drinks on the couch. Oh, you could have bought the Ottoman there. And, no, they would have kept it. That shit is. It would be there.

I bought that game and we had bought it in my Target bag and we were playing it at the spot. Like, so I feel like dinner is extra, but at the bar, like at the lounge. I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. And we had bought the sexual one. So it was. Go home. It was. Yeah.

You was at the Moxie stripping? No, you don't, it's not a game where you do action. It's a game where you ask questions. Oh, okay. It's like a get-to-know-you type thing. Imagine somebody's trying to enjoy their after-work drink at the Moxie bar. Demer's telling him their sexual fantasies. Like, can y'all go back to your room, please?

Yeah, I just, you're boring. And the thing about that, the car game on a date is like, that's almost like having somebody in your earpiece and to have somebody, feeding you the questions almost to ask me. I'm not mad at it. I mean, a first date, I think that would be odd. First, but date, that's crazy. First date, that's the right flag.

Like, I'm leaving. Yeah, first day, I would be creeped out. That's the woman that comes in not dating for you, dating for marriage. Yeah. Like, she don't care who it is, but I'm getting married. Yeah. I feel like that girl does that on the first date. Absolutely.

Like, get to know me before you want to know how many kids I'd like to have. Right. Clearly, you're just here because you want that. With your eggs crack, yeah. But, I mean, I don't know. I'm with the car game shit. No, not me. So, Ma, what's your, like, what do you do on dates?

Like, what's your fucking date swag? Eat, drink. You talk for a living? Yeah, I talk on dates, too. Okay. Have conversation. You know, have fun. Find shit to get into.

Things like that. Okay, so if a girl told you. Nothing scripted. If a girl told you that she wanted to have a, like, I want a fun date. I don't want to do dinner and drinks. Like, I want to have fun. Where would you take her? If she wants to do.

have a fun date. Strip club, prostitutes. I would probably take her to the projects. Facts. Never know what's going to happen there. Take the elevator to the roof and tell her to get out and we're going to raise down. I'm going to take the elevator to the lobby and she takes the staircase and run down to the lobby and see who makes it from. I was being serious.

Me too. You learn a lot about a girl with that. Yeah. You ever ran down? you ever ran down a project staircase? Yes. You raced the elevator? No, I didn't race the elevator.

Ah, there you go. Rory? I'm all right. I went up for the second date. Take it back to that same project. We both get in the elevator and I scream corners and I just see what she does. He will hauler. Don't pay him no mind to Marcy.

I don't pay neither way. I'm a motherfucker's mind. You don't think jumping somebody together would be a romantic second day? like me and her just beat up another couple yeah because you learn if she could fight if she could hold her own like you gotta see her her fight movement her fight game what her fight game look like I could see that being fun and maybe it's a little too for it

all right date three I think we could we could fight another couple date three start a fight yeah yeah like that start a fight on date three but then it can get awkward because that can lead to us going home and having sex you're like if you could fight it's a risk though like what if you went and she lose turned down by a girl I can fight. What?

I mean, I'm 35 now. He watches baddies. I'm watching baddies every week. I can't wait. Next Sunday? Next Sunday? Oh, next Sunday? The road goes crazy when he watches baddies.

Baby, Dee, you got us. I'm gonna call you Sunday. Don't fucking call you Sunday. I'm calling you Sunday to make sure you watching baddies. You're not doing that. I'm calling you Sunday, baby, Dee. We should all get on Zoom and watch it together. Last of us comes on Sunday.

Yeah, but right after that, it palais in the baddies. I'm also willing. to record it and then we could watch it together on a Monday morning. Baddies? Starting your Monday with... Nah, you can't start Mondays with Baddies. Baddies is the end-your-week with it. You gotta end the week with Baddies.

Perfect Sunday night. Go to bed and just play. You know, maybe life isn't that bad. Like, that's what Baddies makes you feel like after you watch it. If he lose, I can't fuck him. But see, that's the risk. See? I like that.

If he lose, I can't do that. There's a risk to it. Mm-mm. But lose how, though? Like, if you get put to sleep? If you hit back pockets, I can't. If you hit ground. I can't.

If you hit ground, I can't. And if your face is fucked up, I can't. There's only two scenarios that will work. You both win or you both lose. Because you both lose, yeah, it's embarrassing. But it's a bonding experience. We're going through some tumultuous shit together. But at least we did it together.

Yeah, because like, if y'all both lose, y'all you can go back to the community. You know, they packed us out. That could be a fun bonding experience. Maybe then you can get back to the kid like, yo, I ain't a lot. They packed us out. Like, you can respect it. We fought a good fight.

But maybe sipping paint is more our thing. Maybe couples fight. Club is not for us. But we understand who we are. If they knock both of us out and we get back to the crib and we lumped, that's kind of fired. Like, yo, they could fight. We should, we should, what, you think they're from?

Now, they're definitely from Brooklyn. Yeah. And it's cute. Like, remember loving basketball when there was, like, icing each other's knees and shit? Like, that would be fun and bed. Yeah, pass me to which hayes. But if one of y'all lose and one of y'all win? Yeah, that's a long ride home.

I don't even, did we get a ride home? We got, how, how we got here? We got to get home. I don't know, man. I feel like it's okay if she lose. Not me. Y'all speak for me. It's okay if she lose,

but like if the man loses. No, but lose how? Like, how did she lose? Like, if she pulled your braids out. Like,

what you expect me to do in the house? Like, I was supposed to see that act like I don't see that patch. Like, like, what are we doing here? It's like,

yo, like you called your girl yet the shop open at what time because she needed to go. She needed to fix that. Like, like lose how? Like, if a girl just catch you

and it's like, okay, she caught you. But she can't rent you though. Yeah. She wrenched you to the point that we're sitting in the back of the Uber and your tities is out because she ripped your whole shirt off. Titties is out in the back of the Uber. And you just sitting in the Uber like this.

And I got to stop and get you an NYPD T shirt from the tourist shop. And that I think I'm on a date with the feds. This fucking undercover cop. I do not have a driver's license. Get this cop out of my car. Yeah. I got to this country today. You can lose, baby D.

But you can't get rinsed though. You can lose. You can lose, but don't him. Shorty straight, like, wrench you and dragging you and they world stars? Nah, you can't do that. I got to let her go. You got to get your fight game up. That's crazy.

That's crazy. That's the fact, though. Oh, my God. But then I feel like the woman should judge you based off the couple that you pick. Like, if you pick some squeak, like, I feel like your girl's going to look at you, like, all right. Yeah, that's lame. And you got to let your girl start the fight. You know what?

It should be like a threesome to some. degree. Let the girl pick. Yeah. Let her lead. Because it could get weird if you pick and then jealous. Let let this be her thing. Yeah, and she just so happens to go pick a fight with the guy with the cauliflower ears. She don't know what that is.

Babe, babe, I have to explain boxing and UFC to you. This is the disease that forms from somebody that has been in countless fights in their life. They're shaking like, Ali, like, nah, I'm not fucking with him. She don't even see it. She don't even see his. It's like you across the doctor like, yeah, wait.

I think that's John Jones. And she don't understand sports brand. He had the club with a sleeveless Everlast shirt on. Like, nah, no, no, no, no, no, not him, not him. Yeah. You can't start a fight with somebody wearing an underarmor T-shirt. Nah. Any nigger outside on a date with an underarmor drop-it-on-draft-it on?

Nah, we can't fight it. You can't fight somebody wearing the underarmor drop into the movies. Holy shit. Can't do it. He got on a, you know, the underarmor-draffin. Under Armour Polo? Yeah. The coach's shirt?

That's an OG that could fight. Oh, my God. One day I'm going to tell y'all how a man tried to wear a Nike polo on a date with me. Wait. Who was dating? Roy McElroy? Who she went on a day? Because contractually, he has to wear that on every day.

What was that Phil Mickelson? Like a Nike drop-try polo. She was the first 20-year-old to go after Belichick. That was his casual. DeMaris told him dressed casual. He put on a Nike drop it, Polo. No, that wasn't his casual. That was his dress up.

You got to understand. Yeah, man. That was his, we're going somewhere nice tonight. We was going to dinner, bro. Oh, my God. The Nike polo is crazy. And I'm not materialistic or judging that way, but no, I fully understand a woman going, like, I think I'm cool if homie shows up. I'd rather he put on us up in that shit.

Only person wearing a Nike polo shirt is a nigga that just came home doing 16 years. and that was the only shirt at his mom's house. Yeah, like that was dead when he went in. Yeah. That was dead when he went in. He came home and still in the closet. Oh, my God. Josh, I'm sorry, man.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Went off the rails a little bit. Oh, man. All right. Let's close out. Listen, she made the right call. Yeah.

Leave that gentleman. Leave that gentleman alone. We will be back in a couple days to talk to y'all. Sorry, this one off to rest a little bit. I'm sorry, man. We had to find a way to get out of this deep, deep, dark depression that Halliburton is placed above the city of New York. Hopefully, you know, you laughed with us today. You cry with us today.

But today, game two. It's already hard. You take no prisoners. It's what? Saturday? Friday. Come on, man. It's today.

You're listening to this now. I don't know why. Now. Now. It was Friday. Tonight. Tonight. Let's fucking go.

We talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.