New Rory & MAL - Episode 390 | Stop Podding With Me

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Another Monday, another allegation Mal and Demaris have to beat together. That IG reel Peeje cut was crazy smh (10:30). After we recap our weekends, Rory has to give props to Clipse for having one of the more impressive hip-hop rollouts in recent memory (42:24). Rory and Mal have polar opposite opinions on Tyler The Creator's new project "Don't Tap The Glass" and his single "Stop Playing With Me" (58:37). Skepta's response to Joyner Lucas has Rory feeling underwhelmed, and Mal thinking we might need a break from battle rap (1:18:43). Plus, how well would USA's female rappers fare against Lil Simz (1:43:24), and a voicemail that has the pod encouraging racial unity (1:55:18) #volume *TImestamps may vary due to advertisementsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Top of the top. Second to last week of July. The summer is over. But with this weather, I'm sure it'll be 80 in November. So it's not really halfway through August. August is usually the steamer. Yeah. The dog days of summer.

It's August. But with global warming, I feel like September started to take some of that that away. September's been hot as fuck the last few years for the first few weeks. Yeah. But I don't know.

We're all going to die eventually. Eventually. Well, yeah. I mean, check on the ozone. And we'll go from there. But how are you? How are you feeling? I'm good, man.

I feel good. I see you got the moss. That's a moss, right? You like the palette? Yeah. Yeah, like match with the yellows. I gave him a little money green, you know what I'm saying, a little gold. Rubber band on the wrist, I missed that era.

Got to keep that, you know what I mean? Keep me rooted, keep me grounded. Might have to go back. I might have to go back. I started wearing a rubber band on my wrist when I was 11 because Alan Iverson did. Okay, that's a good reason. And then as I got older, I realized why he did that and what it represented and the culture behind why people had rubber bands on the wrist. I just thought, I thought I thought Iverson was an innovator.

And then like all white chimed, man, Lance Armstrong came along and, you know, Livestrong, Rubber Band, and that was it. It was kind of like, y'all take white people take everything, man. Listen, between him and Brett Favv, they may be the most forgived white people on earth. Didn't Lance outside of like the steroids also have some crazy scheme with Livestrong? Like, he exploited some money. Oh, of course he did.

You got to. You make that much money on RubberBand? Don't tell me Livestrong and it's with. fucking Pfizer. Yeah. What was the other rubber band that they said helps your balance? Oh, shit. What was the name of that one?

Who? I know what you're talking about. It was such, it was complete. In Oliva, there was like, put your arm out and then pick one leg up and then he push your arm and you fell, but then when you put the rubber band on, you didn't foster me. Get the fuck out of here. Did you ever see, uh, you watched Shark Tank, right?

Yeah. Did you ever see when a guy came in with like a decade later after that, after that shit was found out to be completely. false and a scam. Another guy came in with a band like that. And Mark Cuban was like a pretty unless he's on the sidelines, a pretty like funny and calm guy. He fucking

lost it on this guy. Get the fuck out of here. This is a scam. He got mad at the other sharks for even entertaining them. I've never even seen that in Shark Tank history of like 30 seconds in. Please get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Like no, this is a bullshit. We know this is bullshit. What was the name of that band? I forgot. I can see it in my

head. Yeah, like everybody, they sold those at footlock like everybody was wearing those rubber bands at one point is it core corbin or something like that that might be it but that was that was like up there with a cut coat knife scam uh rising whatever yeah that was that was a good one power balance is that was that the name of it maybe it didn't give you power or balance whatsoever power balance um i just think live strong is the the funniest like phrase for someone on steroids i mean Maybe he was trying to tell us. Live strong.

You got to be strong to live. You know what I'm saying? But didn't he get in trouble too for some money shit? I don't know. Either way, we let Brett Farb off the hook. Yeah. There should be Hulu, Netflix, everything about this guy. He's just walking around free smiling in Levi's.

I mean, listen, man, when you white, it's all right. You know how it goes? When you white, it's all right, baby Dee? Fight the power. Baby, Dee. What's up with you? You good? I'm great.

How you feeling? I feel great. Yo, thank you for keeping me in the, you know what I mean? over the weekend. I appreciate that. Wait, did you take me out? Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Wait, hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. She was getting active? She was getting active. Baby Dee was outside. She was in the streets. I think, you know, you probably just didn't catch it. It's gone now, you know, 24 hours and all. Yeah, that's it. You ain't see it. That's it's over.

I know, but I just want to see if there was even a green somewhere. Nah, it's over. I know. Baby Dee was outside. What was she doing? She was chilling. Was she more of the cameraman or like the main character? No, she was the main character.

I like it. I was just looking good, feeling better. She was main character, energy all weekend. When you're a main character, do you pass your phone to someone else to record or do you ask them to record it? Sometimes you just get set up or set up. Sometimes you get a weird ankle, you never know. You know what baby D's now. She's at that point where the friends know when to catch her in her element, when they catch her.

Like, girl, pull your phone out, get a cute video of me. You know the off guard videos is always platinum, you know. Yeah, a little candid. little candid twerk. She didn't even know the camera was on her. I ain't seen no twirking though. I don't twerk. She ain't twirking.

She ain't, he didn't give us no twerk. It wasn't no twerking. No, that I didn't need to be in there. Yeah, it wasn't. I was just half naked. I went to the pool party. How was it? It was good.

I got there late and they got it shut down early, but it was good stuff. You got there late and you got it shut down? I didn't get it shut down. It got shut down like an hour early, but I got there like four hours late. Damn. there that long. You got to a pool party four hours late. There ain't no sun outside.

It was some. Okay. It was some. Well, then you were right at the peak then, right? If it got the last hour before I get shut down, that's the peak of the party. Yeah. Yeah, it was cool. I had a good time.

But yeah, you know, now I'm back chilling. We're chilling for the rest of the summer. What did you do after? I just want to point out that she said that last week and that she was back chilling for the rest of the time. No, I said this was the last who-rah, remember? Oh, this was it? That was it? Oh, other than I got skin the skin next month.

I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is, but I'm going to where the tickets. I'll lotion up now. Can I get tickets to skin to skin? Like, give me the good cabana, so I want the cabana that's like right there between all the skin. Skin the skin and skin is going to be sexy, but that's, yeah, that's it. Skin and skin is a pool party? No, it's just like a party.

It's like a party. Similar to burgers and bottles, but a little bit more Caribbean-based. Ooh. Doubles and wine? We in there. We end there. We end skin this. The experience, August 12th.

Brooklyn, look what they have in that. But that's, well, first of all. Brooklyn Children's Museum. First of all, Josh, that's last year. That's not even Nash last year. I don't know what it is. Skin to skin is what you do with your baby when they're born. So that's very misleading.

It's not. It's not. That's not where it's at this year? I don't think so. Okay. Yeah, so. I will say any flyer that has those colors and butterflies on it has some hose at it for sure. Hmm. The hole's going to be there.

The hole's going to be there. Oh, it's in Coney Island? Coney Island? That I hate when they try to steal Pea's sauce because I want to say it because I'm sure it's a great party

that last flyer with the butterflies was awful but you could tell Hoos would go this is a great flyer. I feel like they stole Pea's sauce. That's a Peuge special right there. He ain't the only nigga out here making flyers. First of all He's the best nigga out of here making flyers though.

We're not about to do that. He ain't the only one. He ain't the only one. He ain't the best one. The amount of kids Peach has out here is next level when it comes to Photoshop shit.

I see all of Peeg's children every time I open. in my Instagram. That's a fact. Every time we post a flyer, a cover for the episode, people hit me like, yo, who is doing these flyers? I'm like, yo, you got to go holl at the legend,

you know what I'm saying? Go holl at Peage. Peage, that edit you made of me and all is sick. Sick, six, sick. Yo, I was crying. Because I didn't even know y'all was doing that, first of all. So I saw I was tagged in it. I was like, what the fuck is this?

I looked at that. I was like, all right, man, me and Peas, we're here after episodes talking. He'd be sitting there laughing. You got to let me know when these bombs is about to drop, though. Like, what's someone knowing with you, man? First of all, this is the second one I have not known about until the rest of the world did. Yeah, I did not know about that.

The one you guys, like, put together, I found out late. I got out of a collab shit. And I was like, why would I accept Demaris and mall flirting? I'm not in this. Yeah, Juneteenth. You was just spreading black love. That's all. Which is another reason I shouldn't have been tagged in the collaboration. Yeah, but no, he did. That's a fact.

But not, Peeze, that was fine, though. The edit was crazy. That was a very funny. You zooming in our mall, licking his lips had me fucking crying. I'm like, I ain't even no more did all that. Because even before the Juneteen post, I guess, kind of since the WTF serious days, people have had like that funny rumor, you know, on Reddit, Twitter communities that you guys have some like sexual attention or date on the low. That is crazy.

And I used to laugh at it because I'm here. But now after watching two of these, even though I'm here to know the truth, it's pretty convincing. I'm kind of on their side now. It's peach. It's amazing what editing can do. It's amazing what editing can do. Yeah, because none of that.

That shit was like, it was things that happened before. After, Pee's just putting, posting it together. He's getting shit from 17 minutes into the episode, he getting reactions and putting it with that and making it look so careful. I like it, though. The music was, everything was, everything was, everything was, everything was tastefully done. I like that. I don't know, Josh. Every time Maul says, oh, I'm going to movies by myself or DeMaris is like, you skip that on our date.

I think that made me to throw us off. I think you guys may have actually linked. Me and DeMaris have never linked outside of this pocket. That's why. We don't like each other. Now, see, I ain't going to go that far. See, I ain't going to go that far and say I don't like DeMaris. Like, you know what I'm saying?

That's my people. But she said we don't like each other. It's crazy. Like, we don't like each other? That's wild. But no, me and DeMaris have not linked. We have not hung out outside of his pocket. No, he's never hit.

We're not romantically involved. Never hit. Who thinks I actually fuck DeMara? A lot of people do. That is wild. A lot of people said that's how I got my job. They've been saying that since my first episode I need. Ma.

Ma, they've been saying that since my first episode I need. shit. They have been saying that for the long For real? I swear to God, yeah. That is wow. I'm like, I don't know how y'all see that. Like, saying I fuck peach, that makes sense. But, mall... Wait, wait, hold on. Time out. How does that make sense? He's a master of his craft. That would make

no sense, actually, that you fuck Peach. Like, that would be the craziest... It would make more sense to be fucking you. Demaris fucking Peach? Yeah, why that? If I come in here and find out that the Maris and Peach fuck, I'm questioning everything I was ever taught in my life. I already do, first of all. Okay, but you've been on the road and seeing the women that like Peach, I think that would check out.

Yes, random women at Peach meets, yes. A coworker, I would not. Oh, yeah. I know, you're adding in logic to this. No, I'm talking about like, like he just became a coworker. Like in Civilian Waters. He's been a coworker from day one. Yeah, but me and Peach had lives before this.

Also, I could see a world in Civilian Waters where maybe you guys hit it off for a week, but I also don't think Demaris would ever travel to New London. Connecticut where you live to go see you. So she, I think by the sheer, like, distance would never happen. I'm not even put DeMaris out there like that. She would travel to where I live. You know what she's traveling now? Yo, y'all.

Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? If you flew her to, like, Boston and then picked her up, maybe, because that's how fucking far you live. Nah. Let's just all take a beat. Let's have a, let's take a beat. Maybe they just don't take me out of close friends, all right? Once again, I ain't say nothing.

I peep game over the weekend. You know what I'm saying? I ain't respond I didn't, you know what I mean? I just was like, I didn't go baby D. That's all. Yeah, that sounds.

Well, how was your week at then? Weekend was chill, man. Just looked at her close friends. Well, I mean, I did a little more than that, but you know, just chill. What's a little bit more? I mean, what did I do this weekend? I was going to go to the movies, but then last minute I was like, I wanted to see Superman.

And I was like, no, I didn't go see. So I went to, um, I went to my home boy at a baby shower. So I went to that. And that was it. That was like the only thing I did outside of the house. this weekend other than like regular weekend shit. What did you wear

and what did you give as a gift? I just had a track suit on with the pants pants and the t-shirt. Oh, it was more of a casual baby show? Yeah, it was a chill shit.

Gosh. It wasn't that. It wasn't burberry print everywhere. It wasn't doing that. Are you more of a money gifter or like you want to be unique to what you think like the baby's interests

are going to be? Well, I mean, if the parents have a registry, I just, yeah, that's the easiest thing in the world. Like, you got a registry? Cool. like do that, maybe a gift card or something like that.

But yeah, it was it. I didn't really do nothing too crazy this weekend. Okay. Me, any, you know, baby shower is a great place to meet women. Like, everyone like automatically ovulates when they walk in. Like who's going to be next and shit. It's a good place to. Yeah, you can smell ovulating.

Yeah, like, you know, get to know women of like, oh, are you next? Like, no, no, I'm single. Like, oh, and then that's always a way. That's it. Yeah. That means they want to have, they want to fornicate right there and there. Yeah. Bro.

Yeah. we even though we just met yeah imagine meeting somebody at a baby shower and just having that aura and energy and sleeping with a stranger and then getting pregnant and aborting it yeah so there'd just be a wild sequence

of events of like we are back sponsored by Boost Mobile like this baby's existence happened because one baby unlimited talk from Rory text and data for just $25 a month said it was in a good mood yeah anyways

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well, that makes women ovulate per se, but desperate. Not desperate. Just sad in a beautiful way. It was one of the most beautiful weddings I've ever been to. Best vow exchange I've ever seen in my entire life. That was kissing styles. up there. That was like years and years of chemistry. I have never seen when the groom did his speech. I said, oh, wow, she has a lot to follow here. I don't even know if she'll be able to follow

this. Then she proceeded to Loaded Lux's all first verse, his vows. If you didn't cry, you were a complete fucking sociopath. And Myro, we were sitting there just, it's weird how such a beautiful thing could then make you make it about you. Because we all sat afterwards. Like, that was beautiful thing ever. How do we get that? It was a very sad, beautiful, and joyous moment. Like, damn man, fuck y'all. This is real. Yeah. Beautiful. Love is beautiful. Y'all are not just

doing this to do it. Yeah. Y'all like each other a lot. Yeah. But yeah, it was fun time. That was dope, man. It was a good good social. I haven't been like out in a while. I danced because there was the pre-shit Friday and Saturday. Cut loose, let go on my phone. I was, I had fun. Cut loose, huh? Oh, yeah. You have to cut loose age?

This is how much I cut loose, right? Don't say cut loose to me, man. I took my loafers off to go on the dance floor. Oh, shit. Yeah, women took their heels off. We was cutting tiles. We was cutting tile. Oh, okay.

There was a party party. Oh, we was partying for sure. That's dope, man. That's a good time. Yeah. But no, it was a lot of fun. And I guess I need to go to more weddings. None of my friends, like, get married like that.

I just noticed that, like, got to bend a few weddings. I was at a wedding that Sandy Hook? I was, yes. Yeah. That was what? Last year, two years ago? Yeah, something like that. Which was cool.

I enjoyed that one a lot. But that's a lot of gaps. Because a lot of people I talk to go to weddings like fucking, you know, biweekly when they turn 35. Or I've been to so many. Yeah. The amount of people I knew at that wedding that we were all lonely and desperate, I was like, this is, we all like had an understanding of each other.

Like, because we've all seen each other's like ups and downs, long-term relationship. short-term relationship, some people there, Eskimos, some people, exes. Like, yeah. It was a community of people that like really fucking knew each other at this wedding. Yeah. And we, at that reception, like, before everyone started having fun, it was just post, like, wow, that was the most beautiful shit I've ever seen to, yeah, what would have all of us done in the last 15 years?

We gotta get our shit. We are. Look at this beautiful example. How can we can't do this shit? Yeah, we gotta get our shit together. I mean. Oh, and then everyone, because a lot of people like working as a similar business at the reception. And we've all made excuses for ourselves like,

because we work in entertainment, it's tougher and certain people that aren't in it can't deal with you. No, we just saw two people to do it. Every excuse we made for ourselves, we were like, well, this is an example of it can work. Yeah, the example is right in front of us. Like, oh, wow, maybe, like, healthy shit does exist.

Yeah. Yeah, I plan to thoroughly talk to my therapist tomorrow about that wedding. How fucked up is that? I left a wedding and was like, I need to, like, talk to my therapist. About you getting married or? No, just.

enjoying such a beautiful ceremony and having nothing but pessimistic thoughts about it. Okay, got you. Yeah, you need to talk to you. Like, you know, the way people be like, oh, I only post for motivational purposes. Like, you know, I'm showing you all this money to show you you could get it. Right. And then when someone says something negative, it's like, oh, you're a hater. Like, you're being a hater because this person is doing nothing but showing you that you can be successful.

I wasn't hating at all. I was just like, damn, I don't think I'll be able to do that. Yeah, talk to your therapist, man Go sit on the couch. During both of their vows, I said, I identify with nothing you're saying. I've never loved nobody the way these two love each other.

That's never. Damn. That's real, though. Sometimes you got to go to a wedding to realize that about yourself. Like, damn, like, y'all sitting here, that's how y'all really feel about each other? I don't think I've ever felt like that way about somebody.

That's a real feeling. I got y'all. Roy, you want to be in my wedding? You getting married, baby, D? Eventually. That's right. Put it out there. Yeah.

Put it out there. But I thought I already, I thought that went without saying. What, that I was getting made? Oh, that you were in my wedding? Yeah. Yeah, no. You know how, like, the groom usually has to, like, throw his bride's brother, like, in it? Like, he's clearly not part of the best man crew.

But it's like, I always thought I was going to be the guy at the end of the line. Like, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, you're definitely. I thought I was the brother version of that. Like, listen, Roy's not social. He doesn't have to go to any of your shit. But just put him at the end and tell him.

color to wear. I always thought that was going to be me. Yeah, I'm going to make you cry. Very minimal instructions for right here. My body was going to go crazy. I got you. Don't worry. It's coming soon. I got you. Coming soon is halif. He was just covered in chlorine. He was just at a pool party. What that? Coming soon. People can't go to pool parties and they get married. What that mean? Nah. Those ones that ain't get married. You would have sat in the row with us on a Saturday. Yeah. See, she ain't been to no pool parties. Wait, hold on. Ask her when the last time she's been to a pool party.

I want to get this right. Nah. You can't go to a pool party if you're in a serious committed relationship. That's what you're saying? No, for what? What you're going to the pool party for? The same reason you would go to a regular party? We ain't partying no more.

Do we get together? You're crazy? And that's why people relationships don't last. No, we party together, but we're not going to no pool party. What is that? First of all, we're not getting in the water. Well, no. You don't go to the pool party to get in the water.

So why we had a pool That's because it's bad bitches at the pool party Half-Naked. That's what I'm saying. I don't need my bad bitch to be half-naked around these other bad bitches. But see if you, see,

that's you be with the wrong bad bitches. No, I'm with the right bad bitches. You should be scouting bad bitches that's walking around half-naked. Nah. Yeah, see. We ain't doing that.

We ain't doing that. Boring. This is a union. This is a union. Everybody can't be a part of the union. But they can visit the union. Exactly. They can't.

Like, everyone can go to Virginia. Virginia Union? Yeah, absolutely. Everybody can go to Virginia Union. you just show up to the union for the day. Yeah, but I mean, if you, if you seriously, if you seriously on the thinking about getting married, naturally just certain things you just won't be a part of anymore.

I mean, depending on the pool, I don't think it's the end of the world. If your bride goes to a pool party with a friend. No, no, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying like there's certain things. If they pouring champagne on her ass, then that's not your bride, but, you know, you could watch from a distance. I don't know, man. I just don't think that's part of our brand.

Okay, could you then, that's not part of our brand. Yeah, when you get married, that's just when you get engaged, that's not part of you. So when you're on like the second or third date, are you coming with a deck that like gives the color aesthetic, a logo? Me? Yeah, like your brand. No, just if y'all are brands. Yeah, but once I feel like this is my wife. If I'm dating a girl and I feel like, damn, I could see myself really being with her, like, really getting married.

There's certain things that I just wouldn't want her to be doing that to that. Oh, well, I'm going with her to the pool party. Okay. Have fun. We're going to show the union there. See, so whoever marry Maugh, like, Maugh-born is fuck. So you telling me, if she ain't going somewhere with you,

she can't go. If she going... I never said that. If there's a fun... Okay, somewhere where... I want her to go somewhere without me. I don't always want to be nowhere. But not pool parties.

What about regular parties? Can she go to the hookah? Yeah, have fun. They'd be throwing ass there, too, though. Yeah. It was way more ass thrown at the hookalounge than it wasn't at that pool party. Probably.

Pool parties is for niggas to stand around with cute, colorful outfits on, and like be bougie. I don't see people dance at pool parties. What pool? People go in the pool at pool parties and they dance and they have fun. Yeah, my wife ain't going to no pool. I'm not going to go.

Going in the pool at the pool party is great. Do you think you can meet a wife at a pool party? I think so. I think you can. She just better not be in the pool. I'd actually prefer that woman. She's here to actually have fun and enjoy the aquatic experience that this was supposed to be. The girl that's there just to wear a thong and twerk?

You just, all right, just, you might as well just go to strip club at that point. Like, I thought we should have a pool party. Strippers need love too. I love, I've, I've loved them before. Still love them. That's why I was in that row that I was in at the wedding. Yeah, yeah, stripper row. Yeah, I know.

Stripper row. Stripper row. Stripper's row. Stripper's row. The roar was a retired stripper at the wedding. Yo. This was not at the actual wedding, but over the weekend, I was with a group and a gentleman who you guys know, which I'll tell you if Mike said to me

and pointed out a girl and said, is that girl transgender? I said, yeah. He said, oh shit. I was about to get burnt again. And I said, again? Get burnt again is crazy. I said, again?

Tell me more. He said, well, I was in Atlanta. And I said, you could stop there. Tell me later. Yeah, that'll do it. There you go. It did remind me. I do need to follow up with him

because it was loud where he was at and I wanted to sit down and hear this. entire fucking story. Because at what point did you realize? You have a type? Well, I was going to get to that later. Like, hey, maybe you think maybe this is your journey. Like, God don't make mistakes. Maybe he put us here altogether for that reason. And it's happened before. I just want to know, like, did you get a handful of something? Like, when did you find out when you got burnt the first time? A handful of what? Nuts. I wish it wasn't so loud where we were. Because when he said Atlanta,

I was like, tell me later. People would be trying to act with Dan. into that. Just say you into that. Don't give me that. Yo, I got tricked. Oh, damn. You yeah, like, yo, I got tricked. You into that. Yo, you into that. It is fine. Oh, Lord. Just say you into it. I hate me. Yo, I almost got tricked. What? Yo, you know what? You're actually not, I didn't look at it that way because other things were going on. That wasn't really my concern. They were definitely over there like, I wouldn't say flirt, but they were talking. Like, I didn't know if they knew each other, whatever. Like, he was, there was, yes, there was rhythm. I couldn't hear what they were saying, but you can

see rhythm when rhythm is happening. That could have been his way of like saving faith. That's exactly what that was. Yeah, he should have just go go like that girl. Go have fun, man. Dude, dude. I think I give a fuck? Yeah, like that'd be my. Oh, man. Maybe he was testing the temperature in the room of like, yo, does everybody know what I'm doing? Yes. And nobody in the room would have given a fuck. Nobody. She was cool as shit too. Yeah, nobody. She was kicking it with us before. Yeah, he's one of the guys. My bad, peach. I just want to make it clear. I use proper pronouns.

What? She was a wonderful woman, and I do wish the best for them. I just don't think he, he, meaning the guy that I was speaking to, should have to hide. Like, let your freak fly, man. That's your thing? Yeah. Go crazy, man. I'll go to y'all wedding.

Ma. What? I can't even laugh no more, dog. Remember what niggas can laugh? Like, I can't even laugh. And matter of fact, it makes those times. the things worse when it gets quiet. Even though that did happen,

it's still like nobody cares and we're fucking around it. Doesn't mean we can't make jokes about it. That's what I'm saying. Like, why we can't laugh. Like, it's okay, man. We can still laugh about shit. Because I think women come in all form, sizes, shapes, everything.

We've all made fun. Women have made fun of girls talking up, men, they don't find attractive. Like, now we can't, if it's an even playing field with everybody, everybody should be able to be joked on. Yeah. That's what equality.

Yeah. That's all I'm about. So the homie should just... Everybody going to get these jokes. Yeah, everybody going to get them. I'm so good. It's all love, man. Well, we made headlines, I guess.

We want to call it that. I don't think we got credit for the headline, though. We didn't? I don't really care. Y'all sparked the D.C. Youngtide... Oh, no, we did have... Shade Room did credit us. Thank you, Shade Room, for everything that you've done for the culture.

Thank you, Shade Room. D. D.C. Young Fly. Rick Ross exchanged words following D. D.C.'s recent mention of him walking up and leaving in the middle of their interview on the 85 South show. Trag me in that hat. Did notice that as well.

And they did put our clip here as well and added New Roy Moll. Do we think this is going to continue on for a while? Because Ross is one of those people that will never let shit go. I was kind of excited because I thought Ross was going to go for like 48 hours of just nonstop clips. But he just gave us a pool clip. He gets in pools at pool parties. We had when we had DC here, was it last year? When he was by itself without the fellas, we asked him and, you know, he responded.

But it was only right that, you know, now that we had Chico and Carlos in the studio that, you know, I asked him again. Because there had been some time and maybe they did, you know, see Ross since then and speak about it. But I think everything that D.C. said was on par with what he said last year. You know, he felt away, you know, it is what it is. Like, you know, and I understand it. There wasn't no disrespect. It still loved Ross and still support Ross. But, you know, you got to understand that as men.

You know, sometimes you're like, damn, like, you know, why would you do us like that when we, especially when we fuck with you so heavy? So I respect everything that D.C. said. I respect it. I understand it. And he's absolutely right in feeling the way he felt. Yeah. Ross's response was a little, you know, he said that, you know, he went there for free. I don't think that 85 pays anybody to do their podcast.

So everybody does it for free. People with a bigger name than Rick Ross have done it for free. And then saying, you know, that he had to, you know, he said he was, he was, he had to go somewhere and that's not what he did. He said he was going to the bathroom and he left. Yeah. So Ross's response was still like, you know, just take accountability. Ross, we fuck with you. Support your music.

Support everything you got going on. Just take accountability, man. And I believe that what really happened is Ross might have been in one. of those zones where he was too high and you could start getting that anxiety, you start panicking, you just got to get out wherever you at, you just got to get some air, like you got to get outside. So it may have been one of those things where Ross was just, you know, got too high and was having one of them, you know, anxiety attacks and he just had to get outside and get some cool air and just, you know, just move around a little bit to stop, you know, not have a panic attack.

So I understand it, but Ross got to take accountability, man. Like what he did was wrong. You can't, you can't walk off the set like that and say you're going to the bathroom. him and the next thing the guys here is you still got the live on and you're in the car and the car is moving and you driving down the highway like that's just wrong you don't do 85 like that i mean if he was that high that would have been a great reason and response to later say i was i don't even remember that clip or that i didn't even know i was there yeah but don't turn it into i did it for free and it's like i mean snoop did it for free if snoop do something for free and this genre podcast thing i mean i guess outside well i don't think vlad's in our

because that's more like strict interview style shit. People do not pay guests that, at least I'm aware of. Yeah. I mean, you know, we've covered guests travel or hotel if we want to come kick, but like a fee to come on a pod. I'm kind of cool. Yeah. And I don't knock people that do that.

I understand this is a business and it's a numbers game and things do matter. I think there's nothing wrong with paying guests. Nothing wrong. But it's 85 us. Like that's not really art. If you don't want to be here because you don't want to be here or we can't. have a mutual beneficial thing. You're trying to,

yeah. A bunch of shit. Cool, but I mean, no, I'm not, if you come for free, then don't leave 10 minutes.

Just don't come. No, just say, yo, fellas, I need to get out of here. That would have fixed everything. But don't say,

you're about to go to the bathroom and the next thing we hear is the car's pulling off. Like, that's crazy. Like, I thought you was going to the bathroom. Which bathroom we should have asked?

You know what I'm saying? His bathroom at his crib? Okay, cool. Like, you know? DC added something, which correct me if I'm wrong, when he was here by himself, I don't remember him bringing up the other point that Ross was on a white podcast. They was talking about CO shit like a week later.

That added even more credence to me. DC would have said that before. I would have fully understood why he was pissed off. I understood it without it. Let go. But when he said, I was like, oh, that's way worse than I thought it was. But, you know, shout out to the guys for coming through. Shout out the 85 South.

Definitely got to catch them on the tour, to spin the block tour, coming to a city near you. Definitely got to see the guys' lot. And I hope, you know, if we could have been any type of catalyst for Ross to go back on their show and they have an amazing episode, I would love to see that. I don't think it needs to be beef. I think it'd be way funnier. Like DC said, like, we could have done some sketch shit around it. Like, we could have just made a joke out about this. Man, listen, it's not beef, man.

It's never, it's never, that's not what this thing is. We're not here to promote beef. Like, it's not a beef thing. It's accountability thing. That's all. I think I think that DC is just looking for just a little accountability on Ross's behalf. You know, and if part of the accountability is him going back and making up for it, say, yo, damn, you know, like I walked off last time.

Let me go make it right with the homies. Then let that be a part of it. But it's all love. Shout out to 85 South. Shout out to Rick Ross. Everybody keep doing what they're doing. Everybody keep getting money. Yeah.

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I've seen conflicting ones, but I'm looking at... It's a win, man. It's the actual billboard shit here, and it's 112 here. 54, almost 55,000 pure sales, which I think is incredible. credible too. Independent? Yeah. Which, despite what people

when they see the Rock Nation thing, and here I go caping when I'm really not, I'm just telling you the truth, Rock Nation's label folded into a distribution company. So you can sign a Rock Nation and not be on their label, you can just sign to their distribution company. Yeah. There is a million artists that y'all think are purely independent

that use Rock's distribution. People use ToonCore. They're still independent, right? Right. Yeah. It's just another version of that. but that also means they're going to like want to check on their investment too if they get a percentage of what you do why wouldn't we try to help y'all push anything right and also what's wrong with that the new fan shit of trying to kill td e for like giving dochey a lot of looks and all this major oh they got a major that's the point of your label is to push you you guys have

seen labels be so shitty for so long that y'all get confused when a label does their job and and say there's something wrong with it. Like, that's only in our face because of the label. Yeah, that's the fucking point. Right. And I don't know, how do you feel about this, this clips perspective of their rollout? I think it was amazing.

We came on here and said, been one of the better rollouts. But the way it's been turned into this machine manipulation is absolutely insane to me. What publication, media outlet, did the clips do that not every single fucking artist has done before? I think what the clips did was was dope. I mean, it felt like an old school rollout. They actually was out, you know, moving around doing the work. But on top of

the rollout and the things like that, you know, one thing that a lot of people don't understand, Rory, is the work that goes on behind the scenes for these rollouts. This is months in advance that these things have to be planned. But the bottom line, because you could have the greatest rollout, but if the music isn't, doesn't stand up to the rollout and doesn't stand up to all of the and us constantly seeing this in our face, that's when it's a problem. Now, what the clips did, the music, it spoke for itself.

You know, they did what they were supposed to do on that side of it. The rollout helped amplify it and let people know that the album was coming. I love what they're doing from the vials, the artwork, the sneakers. You know, everything that they're doing is intentional.

It makes sense. It seems like it's a well-executed plan to back up a well-executed body of work. Exactly. glad you said intentional. Because to finish my point, yeah, the clips didn't go anywhere that anyone else had. Anytime they went somewhere, they made it intentional and it sat with the audience. When they spoke about, even if you disagreed with it, even if you said, oh, it's clout

chacey with the push and Travis shit. Every time the clips went somewhere, they made something count, whether they were talking about their parents passing. Yeah. Every, whether they were just playing Jada and Fat Joe, some of the songs before on camera. And you just said, Jada just had the disgusting, that's intentional. That's a great. You're taking a platform that has a lot of numbers and the audience is leaving with something that has to do with your project. Yeah. So, yeah, you could say they had the machine, but the machine wasn't in the room with them when they were being interviewed, when they were promoting it.

You think push and malice need Rock Nation or even Stephen Victor, one of the best managers, or even Stephen, to get the looks that they got. No, because they've been in this business. For 25 years have their own connections. People love them. They are legends in their own right. Legendary catalog started with Farrell. No, maybe people just like the clips and maybe they're very good at what they do. Because I would love to see what look the clips got that every A-list artist on a major hasn't gotten.

Yeah, no, I think the clips, what they did was they just spoke to their fan base. They catered to their fan base. If you're new to the clips, I'm sure that they welcome that as well. But I think they focused on their core. They focused on what they do. didn't go too far away from the Clips brand and the things that they would naturally align themselves with. Again, do I feel like some of it was clout chasing? Yeah, I feel like the Travis shit was a little clout chasing. Can we look up the definition of cloud chasing? Because we've talked about it

before. Well, let's look at marketing clout chasing. Let's look up the definition of clout. Yeah. But it's been manipulated to the culturally. But yeah, I don't, but even if it, even if it is, right, even if I feel like the travest shit was unnecessary and it was to, you know, kind of amplify things. Cool. My thing is, The music still stood, though. The music was still good. And before anything Travis related, all those interviews, they were reacting to a song. Yeah.

It's not like there was no music related to, because of course we always want rappers to rap about how they feel. I always want to know how push feels, even if it is at Travis's expense. It's not like he just went on an interview run talking about it. They were asking about a verse he had in a song. So, you know, if you're going to do that, yeah, it's in the music. Yeah. That's all that. that and in the music the music was was great again you know they didn't go far away from their

formula with feral um i mean and if you're blessed enough to have feral you know in charge of your music and in the studio producing your music i mean you really just got a layup at that point like it's like you know feral set the screen you can go get a bucket so i mean i think the clips did what they were supposed to do man it's just this just speaks to keeping true to your formula keeping true to your brand, keeping true to it is what you do, keeping true to your audience, feeding your audience, you know, in a time like now where there's a lot of other things in the space and sounds and things like that, you know,

it takes a certain type of person to know who they are and know what they found is to stay true to it and deliver. And that's what they did, man. Whether you like the clips or not, you can't, there's no doubt that they stay true to who they are and execute it. And everyone that has been trying to put like a negative connotation to their numbers or trying to focus on everything but the music. I think he brought up a great point of through their rollout and music,

stayed to their core and look what happened. It leaked over to people that weren't their core. They got in front of everyone not by having to do. Of course, the Travis thing was one thing, but they focused music. Platforms, they even said, we only want to speak to certain people with this shit. Your core is what you focused on,

and it went past your core. That's why focusing on your core first is always the best route. It's always the best way. I saw a lot of people comparing with Jack Boys and congrats to Chase, Trave, everybody. 250 first week, crazy, 181 peer sales. They did 250? 251. Now, that brought up between why I brought up Jack Boys.

That's surprising. I'm not going to. I didn't see anybody talking about the album. No, Travis went number one with a mixtape that was like 10 years old that he re-released with a T-shirt. Yeah, that's why. It didn't really shock me. It brought up a lot of.

over the past week with the clips and Jack Boys because like you said clips did a lot of cool shit with different vinyl covers um different merch pieces uh push even said i forgot maybe was with joe and jada that they plan to do more merch collabs with this album i'm sure that the record will be part of it when you purchase the clothes that's what jackboys done that's always been something people say about Travis remember when nicky went on that whole fucking crazy rant and then billboard changed the rules in 2020. Then 2023, I want to say, they changed it back. That's why we're still able to do the bundle thing, but you have to have the album available for purchase by itself, and then only one t-shirt and album can be sold together. Okay. That's the only bundles you're allowed to do. Oh, so this was

connected, this album was connected to some Jackboys merch? A lot of it. Okay. That's why, that changes things a little bit. I want to make it clear, like pure sales also comes from buying direct on iTunes by direct vinals and everything. So they accuse the clips and Jackboys of like, you know, the margins are kind of crazy, but not too far off for people that do bundles. It's about half. Okay. Who cares? I understood Nikki's shit because to a superstar like Nicky Minaj, a lot of perception in number one doesn't matter. I get it. But the fans that get mad about this shit, I don't understand. So Billboard, we have no artist union. We don't, we can't even regulate how.

billboard even counts anything. We allowed streaming to set the exact price of what our songs are worth without even a hearing, a trial, nothing. They said, this is the market value, no matter who the fuck you are, and this is it, and we said, okay, here's my music. We're not allowed to go try to find a loophole

so we can make some more money. You already fucked us by setting a standard that only really benefits y'all at the end of the fucking day. We're not allowed to go outside the lines, the labels we signed to are in bed with you, so why the fuck would I be mad at Travis or malice or push to find a way to go direct to their consumers to make more money off their hard work?

The fuck is y'all mad at an artist for. Be mad at the, that we have to do this. Because there's no reason that Travis Scott song should be worth 0.00001 of a penny. Right. And you also know how to design clothes? You're fucking right.

I'm gonna find a loophole. Yeah, I just, I think that, you know, That's what creators that I do forever is try to find a loophole out of the system that y'all create that we can't go outside of. And now the fans of creatives are going like, oh, no, how are you doing that shit? That's cheating. No, we've been cheated. Yeah, I think that's the part of it that fans don't really look at and don't really take into, you know, account. Is, yes, I understand, you know, you're saying, oh, well, the numbers only like that because they have merch with it.

Yeah, but on the artist side, they're looking at it like, well, what? shit, we got to find a way to make money. We got to find a way to capitalize off of this album. We can't do it purely off of streaming because of, like you said, what they're paying us for a stream. So, I mean, you know, but again, it's not the, it's not the consumer's responsibility to, one, know that or think about that. The consumer's responsibility is to consume and decide whether or not they enjoy it or not. They don't really have to get into the business side of it. But they, you know, when they do, when they express themselves and they're mad about something, the information should be available to them. Hey, listen, like you said, the artist is

only getting paid this small percentage on their music. Is it not fair for the artist to find a way to kind of capitalize and make money off of their music in another lane? I think it is. You know what I'm saying? Whether that affects the sales and how fans look at the numbers and who's number one, who's number two. Like I said, some of my favorite albums, I don't know where they landed on the charts. I don't know what they sold first week. I have no idea. And on top of that, I'm not like taking a shot of Billboard or anything. It's really because we have a no artist union that can regulate it. We don't even know how the fuck Billboard counts anything.

Right. There's no checks or balances of like, all right, can I audit Billboard? Like you can't do that. So artists just have to do what is better for them. And we talked about back to like the Nikki thing. I do understand that some major label artists, especially at that level, have stipulation in their contract. Like if you get a number one album, certain budget gets open. Like accolades do matter.

It matters with Grammys. is a thing in artistry. So, okay, if you set the standard that I have to have a number one album, I'm a creative. I'm not going to find a way to do it. I have to manipulate the system that you won't change. So I'll also do that. I'll also sell a t-shirt and not even put an extra $999 on it, but you're still getting a digital download. I'll even take the hit financially to do the perception thing because you have created a contract where I need to be in the top 10 to matter at your label or to open a certain budget or have any leverage when I renegotiate.

I can't get this Grammy because, oh, if you look at Billboard, it doesn't match our Grammy standards. Like, yeah, artists are just doing what's best for them that doesn't affect the fans whatsoever. Artists got to pivot, man. Artist's got to find a way to still capitalize off their art if it means, you know, attaching it to a fire piece of merch and things like that.

That's just the game that has to be played. When the Khalid, Travis, Thomas, Tyler thing happened. Remember with their fight for number one and that whole corny situation on, you know, Callet's behalf. We all have corny moments. I'm not shitting on Khalid.

His shit when he didn't beat Tyler. Tyler was pure. I'm sure he did a merch bundle somewhere in there, but he tied that to an energy. He was selling cases of energy drinks and we didn't even know

that was tied to I was at 7-Eleven. Didn't know I just bought a Caled out of him. Yeah, you know now. And here's the thing. I know number one, matters a lot to Khaled. It's part of, it's part of his brand and his perception, which I get, I totally get that. Yeah. I also didn't care. Like, if that's how Khalid can make money on the

back end and has a deal with the energy company, to me, that's good business. Yeah. Like, I mean, unless they're, like, harming people overseas to create this energy drink, I don't, like, why as a fan, would I be fucking mad at that? Yeah, only time, only time, only time I look at it a weird way is when the music is trash. And you, like, what? And you, tell me that's number one. That's when I'm like, you'll cut the shit, man. Like that album is fucking terrible. Like, but if the music is fired, the album is dope, I don't care if this is a hoodie

or some sneakers or energy drink tied to that. I don't get. As long as the music is good, when the music is not good and y'all try to tell me this is the number one album, that's when I'm looking at you. Like, man, get out of it. That's not the number one album. Literally, to this day, I feel like the first Patriot Act, Big Brother looking over you was you too in all Apple products.

You two has been part of my life whether I like it or not. So we're supposed to get mad when Hove does a deal with Samsung and it's a million copies before the album even comes out. I don't care. Is Magnacartic Good? Why the fuck would that bother you? Yeah. I get it.

I get it. But as fans, you know, they support who they support, man. And they want to see their people at number one. And if somebody has a hoodie that's dope, but the album is not. and now that album is number one, I get that part of it, so I get why people upset. I think a lot of fans,

myself included sometimes, your merch can't be better than the album. Let's put that out there. Your merch can't be better than the album. That's when the problem comes up. Here's the thing. I, you know, as a moral fan of music, do have an issue with people that are not artists

that are just here for a lick. But if your music is trash and your actual talent is to create merch and you're using your shitty, YouTube type beat shit to get eyes in front of your actual talent? I don't care. I don't. But you're speaking from a creative.

And I understand it. I get it. I get it. A creative that also realizes that integrity doesn't pay the mortgage sometimes. And I'm not saying go do some shit against your integrity or against your moral value. But if you can capitalize and get $10 instead of $5 out of your core fan base and your fan base can't wait to do that. because your product is also good,

what the fuck is the problem? Yeah, I get it. I understand that. I want to ask these fans, like, to break down what, what would you do in this situation? That needs to be an app. Anyone that does a tweet

that's, like, really criticizing someone's business move that doesn't, again, like, hurt anyone. It should give you this scenario of like, what would you do in this? Yes or no. Would you take this advance? Would you take the,

all right, if Kaz came to you to do all your artwork and then wants to do five different vinals as limited edition, charge this much money, yes or no. Right. Yeah, no, I get it. Of course you do that.

Yeah, it makes sense. As long as Tyler the creator don't have the number one album next week, I'm cool. Why? That shit is trash. Ooh, it's been three hours. It's been three hours of trash. Really?

That shit is not it. And I love it. You know I fuck with Tyler. I know you love Tyler. That album is not it, bro. Really? I don't like it. Rory?

I don't like it. It's been one listen, because again, we're recording us on Monday. It came out 6 a.m. on Monday, which I want to say, I love that Tyler's last two albums, he's done this. Morning on Monday, you could live with it throughout the week. I like that. The weekend.

I like dropping it on Monday. You know, Friday, yeah, people have shit to do. Sometimes it's tough to live with an album. I like Monday morning. Fuck the numbers. Fuck playlisting. But not every artist can do that. Tyler's Tyler, so he can do that.

Yeah, he has a luxury of doing that. I miss Tuesday releases. Like, I like this. So I haven't had much time. I loved it off the first listen. Loved it? Yeah. No fucking way.

Our taste levels are not that different, bro. It's a fun project. You can have, yes, it is. It's a fun project. That's just not there. So you're going to get really pissed at my comparison, then. What are you comparing this to? It's, what, 21 minutes?

Oh, yeah. Straight to the point album. I am not comparing them sonically or lyrically. I'm saying to me, this is like his King Disease magic type series. It's straight, it's good beats. some bars, nothing's overthought, it's just music. It's just straight to the fucking point of here's a great beat and here's some raps.

Listen, I'll listen to it. It's that version of the Kings' Zesee shit in magic the way Nas and Hip Boy did. Listen. Like, we're not overthinking this. This is just great beats and great rhymes. That's cool. And sometimes not overthinking it is great. This is one time we're not overthinking it didn't land on the side of great.

To me, I love Tyler the Creator. I think he's dope. I love everything he does visually. I love his whole aesthetic, his brand. I fuck with him. This project, I'm not going to go back and listen to this much, if at all. Really? I listened to it twice, maybe two and a half.

I turned it off when I got here on the third listen. It's just not. What don't you like about? I get it. You're taking a chance sonically, musically. You're doing something different trying to sound different. Here's the thing. I think, yeah, I don't think there's like a risk here.

I think it's just kind of straight to the point, like this is a mashup of all the sounds Tyler has had over the last 15 years. Yeah, the match. I don't think there's any risk. I think this is Tyler in a true form of him not wanting to do three years in between albums like he used to and just coming back with 21 minutes. Instead of letting shit sit on a hard drive, I did it.

Here you go. He could have kept this 21 minutes, though. We ain't need that. Really? Nah. You don't think it's one of those that maybe you need to, like, give it a chance outside of an Uber in FDR traffic? I listen

to it in the crib. Okay. I turned it on this morning. As soon as it dropped, I was like, oh shit, okay, getting dressed. Okay. Turning on. And that's how I like to listen. I don't like to really like focus on the music. I like to just let it play, it be in the background. Same. Nothing really grabbed me and was like, okay, this is hard. Like, I didn't,

it just was like, you know, music. It's like, all right, he's rapping a little bit. Got a few bars, but it's not nothing where I'm like, yo, I've got to bring that back. I got to hear that again. Like nothing said bring that back. I liked the ones that stood out again, one listen in between having a flat tire.

Sucker free I loved ring ring ring's cool. Stop playing with me. Don't you wear it? The last three I love. Eight through ten, I think are great. I have to go back to Don't Tap the Glass. Yeah, this is a cool joint. Do I think it compares our first listen to like Igor? No, but

it's a or calling him laws. I'm not even comparing it to his other shit. I listen to it for exactly what it is. This is what he put out this morning. This is what I'm listening to. I'm not thinking about it with Igor ears and all of that shit. I'm just listening to New Tyler music. None of it grabbed me. None of it helped me. I didn't bring back any of the songs like, yo, let me hear that again. Like it just didn't. It wasn't it for me, man. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe it might change throughout the week. Yeah. But as of right now, two and a half listens.

Well, also. I'm cool. I don't, I go back to what I was listening to. I was still listening to the clips. Yeah, I go back to that. Like, I turned, I turned that off and went back to the clips. Like, I just, I don't know. I just didn't, it didn't really, it didn't really grab me. This project, again, maybe he just wanted, like you said, get these songs out the hard drive, put it out there. Cool visual, I guess, you know, whatever. But I just, to me, it's just, it ain't it.

It's fun. I hope how quick he turned it around coming off the last project. I hope he's getting into it. Everyone, I'm not comparing him to Nas, to that. part of the second half of his career where it's a vibe like keep putting music out like quicker like I love that he waits to do these masterpieces takes three years tours yeah but everybody ain't does everything great I'm again I'm not calling talent no no I get it but you very fucking clear no no but some people don't need to put out music at that volume though I think Tyler for the type of producer and writer

he is is one of those that I would trust at a high clip to do that I I really do I I was gonna come in here and say, is there a single artist in the new generation that you could compare to Tyler? I don't think, even out the big three, they don't, I think all three of them have, you know, maybe better catalogs, which I think could even be argued to some degree. Is anyone, like, even when Kanye came out, there was still people that we could compare him to as far as like we know Q-Tip produce raps like that was a thing for so long and yay I think was like the last probably

big A-List rapper that we knew was producing and if you say he didn't write some of his stuff mixed bag but Tyler's the only one of his generation that is that to me so I think there's like a different connection when somebody's really producing it as well like you are putting this entire piece together

and I looking at his catalog of nine solo joints outside the odd future shit this dysography can be argued in hip hop history at this point in 2025

whatever you think about this last project it came out fucking three hours ago we know that about Tyler though this is this is a classic discography which I don't know if his peers have this nine right here no we know and that's what I fuck with Tyler just this last offering

it didn't do nothing for me and I and I think tile is incredible. Like I've spoken about that for years. I think he's incredible. To some extent, I even think he's underrated to some extent. I hear what you're saying. But just this don't tap the glass. I just don't, you know, it, again, I listening to it. It just didn't, nothing really grabbed me. Nothing really was like, this is incredible. Like, I just didn't, I didn't get that. All right. Can I challenge you for Friday that we revisit this or maybe next Tuesday? we could do it Friday we can revisit it that's enough days for me to like listen to a project again

I like to the first listen I'm also of the belief that there's projects I've loved off the first listen and by the third one I was like hey maybe I just like the hype no it happens so I could come in here on Thursday and say I don't like it yeah but you know we did also say in the group chat like it just came out there's not even no listen don't judge us for any review I'm just going off of the the natural like when I listen to an album it's just something that something grabs me something holds my attention and something like this one I didn't feel that. I didn't feel that with this project. What I did grasp from this one

in probably the last three, four Tyler projects, which maybe because I had the wedding on my mind. If Tyler sat down, I would ask him if he ever thinks he'll find love. Aw. It's been four fucking albums, bro. That would be the dumbest question you could have asked Tyler

to create it. Do you ever feel like you would find Tyler would answer that in such a fucking like... Oh, of course, because he's hilarious. But I'm saying if you really pay attention to the themes and writing of the last four projects, this guy probably, he sucks at love, man. I get it. That's what I identify with that shit.

Like he, and he does it in a great way as an artist because there's fun stuff, substance stuff. There's accountability on stuff. There's, shit. What's the like a 15 minute joint on, uh, call me if you get lost. His name after a street. Why am I blanking? Where everyone thought he was like talking about salons or some shit, which was like a complete

lie. When he fucked his man's girl. Oh, uh, Wilshire. There was accountability on that of how, like, shitty he was, but not caring. That would be my first question of Tyler Career. He's awesome, like, the last four albums have had a theme of the love below. Of like, this is never going to work out for me. Yeah.

And knowing how vulnerable times, has been even when it's got him in trouble, but not really. Sells out arenas. Nothing's changed. This guy sucks at love. I mean, but don't. And I'm not judging him because I was just in the stripper row at the wedding. Like, this isn't an attack at his character. It's more of an identity thing. I can't think of an artist where the last four projects all have been like, it's not going to work out. Usually they'll even lie and say there's like some redemption. Like, they'll get in a situation ship and be like, this is the one. and make an album about it.

He has failed four albums straight with just trying to find a fucking girlfriend. I mean, maybe he needs a boyfriend. He's nobody's talked about that too. So that's something. Maybe he just don't, he's confused. He don't know what he won't. And sorry,

which was on the deluxe of Call Me Gets Lost, which was like one of my favorite records of that year, he said he apologized to all the girls that he was lying to, that he was bisexual and fucking dudes. And then apologized to the guys for misleading them. Like, I'm just gay to fuck. I wasn't trying to do.

You. Oh, so that's, they're going to answer. He entirely don't know what he won. Oh, no. That's a theme, too, in the... Yeah, he don't know what he wants, man. He got to be real and honest with himself first before he used to talking about finding love. Like, he don't even know where to look for love at.

But then even if you look at, like, the deluxe of, call me get lost, the record heaven when they flip the John Legend shit, the whole second verse is just like dying to be 40 years old and married with kids. Yeah. And, like, setting his mom up in the house and all that, like, He's actively talking about that, but then only talks about how he fucks up every relationship. Yeah, I think he's just, you know, I mean, he'll find it one day. I just don't think right now Tyler is honest with his self personally.

I don't even know. Musically, I think he's tapped in there. But maybe personally he just still, you know, he does. He's still finding himself and figuring out what he really likes. Yeah. I wish you would come on the pod. I would talk about everything but music and piss off his whole core. I was just like want to talk about personal things.

I would corner him worse than old boy did. Yeah. No, that was crazy. That was, that was, I still can't believe that was real. We glossed over that too quick. Yeah, I still can't believe that. That came and went and it shouldn't know. That was absolutely crazy.

I still think that was a skit. I don't think that was real. I don't know, man. I thought it was a skit for a while. The more people I talked to, it wasn't, like at all. Yeah. Are they still cool? I think.

I don't know, but I don't like follow his Getty images to see who he walks out of the club with. I don't know, but I'll listen to the Don't Tap the Glass again. I'll give it a couple more listens, but of the first two and a half, I'm not really, I don't, it's just not for me. Respectfully. I was going to say, it's just not for you. It's just not for me.

And that's okay. What do you think that the title means of the album? Don't tap the glass. I usually see that when there's animals that you don't want to agitate you know that type of thing so maybe maybe this isn't

maybe he has a sea world appearance coming up you know all right what? Maybe he has a sea world I don't know he can't tap the glass you don't want to disturb orca you know what I'm saying so yeah I mean listen I don't know if I

Again, my white face should be the one. I think it's a brilliant title. And I almost don't want to give my opinion, because if I'm wrong, boy, is that going to be awkward. No, what was your opinion, please? I think. Let's hear it. I think based off it again, first listen,

maybe he explains it more, and I just didn't catch everything. Just off the title alone, based off, you know, some of his recent comments about the Ian guy. Yeah, I think Tyler realizes that how big hip-hop has become. There's a lot of people that aren't culture vultures per se, but they're just passing visitors

and have had a higher opinion than they've ever had before. And they're viewing it. The way I used to talk about the wire, how white people love the wire, because it feels like they could see the hood in a safe place. And white people are obsessed with the wire. I think, obviously, it goes without saying, that's happened with hip-hop and how much it's grown.

So telling you, y'all view us, Like, this entertainment shit is a zoo. Like, we are just dancing for you. So don't tap the glass. Just watch. Shut the fuck up. Pay your fee. Okay.

And watch. All right. If you view it this way, do not even really just pay your fee. I see it. Do not tap. Don't, you're treating us like animals. Like it. Like, you just sitting there going like this and, you know, I'm not even in your habitat.

Like, but boy, I hope I'm fucking wrong. Or right, because if I'm wrong, it's going to be weird. No, I mean, I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that, you know, you're seeing it that way. That makes sense. I don't know if Tyler is, you know, if he thought that deep into it. Again, it just sparked, and I'm not saying solely this is like an Ian disc because I don't even like listen to Ian to know about him.

But that was the first time I heard Tyler speak up about that topic specifically and put a name on it. So, yeah, I feel like Tyler's very intentional with his words and interviews. And what he said about Ian to me, don't tap the glass, sparked in my head right away. Like this guy over here cosplaying Gucci and future and wearing fucking khakis in a polo. Like that shit from future and Gucci sounds that way because of pain. That's not like the shit you're doing in your voice that's, you don't understand what that comes from. Yeah, okay.

I see it. This ain't you. I see it. Like it's fine with people that are influenced as long as they're authentic to themselves. Right. But this ain't, you don't even talk that way. I can see it. Definitely not mad at that.

Yeah. All right. Well, I'll give it a couple more. listen, since you love it. And I think that our taste levels, I think that our taste levels align on a lot of things. So the fact that I'm on the other side of the love, I'll give it a couple more. I know what the fans are going to accuse you of. I do believe you, because I don't think you lie about music opinions, but I know the comment's going to be like, Mall hates this because Brown and clips were in the video. I know, I just know the internet. I just know what, I'm

not saying it's true. I just sat and said, I love the clips album. We know, the internet. We know. You know, you don't. Okay. See, you don't. Because you don't tap. the glass enough. You don't realize that this is all dedicated to Drake and because Tyler was at the pop out, they all got in a group chat and then LeBron went into the video. And then the clips, obviously we know their relationship for years with Tyler. And Tyler just became a clips fan. Okay. Because he hates Drake. And this album is coded. Coded in honestly never mind. So yeah, you don't see you don't even. Don't tap the glass. You don't tap the glass more. And then Iceman is coming.

The ice and glass. I see where it's going. Tyler just one of the Iceman. I see where it's going. I get it. Because Tyler's never been original. Yeah. He's always trying to be somebody else.

I get it now. I get it. Okay. They won't even catch that sarcasm. They're about to clip you and put that as a fucking clip. Oh, God. Yeah, they'll miss the last 20 minutes and just clip that part of me. Yeah, yeah.

You know how that go. And I'll be the Tyler hater. But I don't know. I mean, I like that video. and back to my app idea of, hey, what would you do in this situation? If LeBron James and the clips and Mav wanted to be in my video,

I'd say yes. Did I think it's odd sometimes of just like somebody sitting there like this on a green screen? Sure. But I'd never say no if LeBron James wanted to be in my video. As you should,

you should welcome LeBron to your video. I don't think, I really don't think that had anything to do with Drake whatsoever. Pete said, okay, the clips thing, obviously not. But what would Tyler have against Drake? He was at the pop-out.

Okay. I saw a bro went to pop-out with them but been Dick Rodden Gang's headlines. I thought that was more about like Damar and Braun. I mean Tyler, too. Tyler's been an open Drake fan, but the LeBron thing I understood because they were friends, like friends, for real.

Are Tyler and Drake that close? Did he owe him anything in that? I don't think he did, but you know, he was at the pop-out. Oh, I don't think Drake likes anyone that went there. I just don't think Tyler is going out of his way. Drake don't like the niggas that work the concession stand. He got all of the day. The union workers.

Oh, he got all of the IDs. He knows everybody that sold popcorn there that night. Fuck all yeah. That's hilarious. The only thing I found weird was forget Drake out of that. Anytime Tyler has freestyled, even in the verse he has with game, all he's done is dis LeBron James hairline. For the last 20 years, anytime he's asked to rap.

If I'm brown, I'm going to fuck the Drake Street. I'm not going, like, we have to have a hairline conversation, sir. Yeah. I don't know. I got to watch the video again, though, to see if there's any little, you know. What did I miss? Sorry. The newspaper's flying around headlines in the newspaper.

Ah, okay. Oh, all right. See, I'm wrong. I didn't think that headlines shit was about Tyler, but. Yeah. When it headlines come out? 23rd? 14?

Sounds about right. Sounds about right. Maybe 13. Okay. Either way, you know. Okay. Actually, I thought it was about Braun, but him and Braun had been friends

was before that. That was like the joint with Kanye, Wayne, Eminem, and Drake. That was for Braun's movie. Yeah, they've been friends for a while. Maybe it was about Tyler. And yeah, the newspapers. Okay.

I take it back. Headlines was I'll take care, right? Yeah. 2012. Okay. Then, all right, yeah, maybe it was. I don't know. I'm just talking shit.

Yeah, we just make... No, but obviously, usually I hate all that deep-dive shit with certain stuff like that, but the newspapers, I mean, that does make sense now that you bring up the headline shit. Yeah, I get it. I'm just talking shit, man, I don't know. Look at a stern-up narratives. I love that. Everybody else, dude?

We did a narrative cast. No, we just, the cast. We just... That's it. everybody else start up narratives and shit like all right when we stir up narratives they tend to grow legs and start twerking so

I mean I'm just you know I'm just talking shit I don't think that Tyler was throwing any shots at Drake I don't think so cares like that be honest yeah and I also don't really care but speaking of rap beef since we're here Skeptor replied to Joanna Lucas

um listen man I'm here to walk back all my takes and start from scratch. There's been a weak-ass fucking battle. Damn. Holy shit. You wasn't feeling the last? Maybe I was too excited. Maybe I put myself at a pedestal of my excitement for this, and it wasn't warranted. I think both of these gentlemen who are highly lyrical undersold.

And I was fine with those first rounds, just a little temperature check, a light shit, so we could eventually take it there. We've had this and it's been silence. Nobody cares. Now they haven't a mid-off. Nah, you know what it is. Mid-off is funny. But you know what I think it is.

I think that, you know, because of the moment we had last year with two of the biggest in the game. And then it kind of parlayed into, you know, other battles. Which were great. You know, I just think we battled out right now. I think I think everybody's just like,

everybody's just relaxed. The battle thing is, you know, if you wanted to continue to throw shots, cool. But I don't think that we want to see another battle right now. I don't think that we want, we're getting good music, we're getting good albums. I think people are kind of moved away from the whole battle thing and are more focused on that. Just give us good music, give us good albums, give us some good shows, and that's cool. But I think the battle thing is, I mean, I like it only because of, again, I'm a little more tapped in with what's going on over in the UK as far as the music.

And I know exactly how dope a lot of those guys are. I like it because I think that, you know, it helps kind of like get eyes and ears on those guys if it's in this type of a thing. I just don't know if enough people care to find dope UK rappers via a beef with American rappers. Like I don't think, I don't know if they, they want to see it that way. I just I feel like two rappers that can turn over records very quickly especially in this this type of vein because they both rap rap like they don't have to like sit and consult

with one of their mans one of the people like they can just go into studio and make a fucking record make some make some make some some the timing and how like if it was light for the first one and y'all came back in three days I would fully understand like can't use all your clips right away like we're doing if this ends up going four rounds I gotta have shit yeah they did some light shit and then it got quiet.

Yeah. If they dropped something this week, I'll still care and listen, but. Oh, you're going to listen because you're just a music guy. Hey, I don't know. It felt like super unnecessary. Like even the Joey Badass and Ray Vaughn thing, we were like, they have no real beef, this, whatever.

But at least they just clips was coming. It was fun. Like, it was just rapping and fun and it was consistent. I even feel like we need to apologize to daylight because we were overly critical of him, which I felt rightfully so. But if this is the other standard, I'm sorry, Day. Yeah, no, but it's, again, Don't call him Day.

Call him Light. I'm sorry, Day. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Do you think, sorry? I just think that is just setting the stage What if his name is like, Dave Bond? I don't know.

I don't know Light's real name. What if I'm calling him by like his real name? His name Light. Like, everybody call him like, I'm sorry, Day. I don't know. I wanted to apologize because I called his shit Light before and I'm putting some respect on his name after I saw this spew of a battle.

Okay. He's Day now. I just think we battle. out. I think the battle thing is just, it's getting a little, it's feeling a little, you know, forced at this point. Okay, you're saying, but there are some dope, again, people need to understand, there are some very dope emcees and rappers out of the UK, though. Hell yeah. You know, a lot of people don't know that because they don't listen to it, you know, whether it's just the accent barrier, you know, just the slang is different. But there are a lot, a lot of dope, dope emcees and

rappers in the UK. So, you know, I like this type of stage because it helps people find them, but I just think we battled out. I don't think we want to see another battle right now. I feel like come Friday, we are going to have more battle conversations. Why is that? We get Alchemist and Freddie Gibbs, Alfredo 2, on Friday. I think based off what Freddie has been tweeting over the last few months, shit, the last year. Who are he going at? I have, I promise I have not heard a single thing except for 1995. Who is he going at? Can I speculate?

Nah, man. But, all right. Because this is why you be pissing me, because you be knowing. Okay. You be knowing and then you just don't want to say shit. Don't do that. Say that shit. Don't do that because you were way too confident when you came in here and said,

I hope Stove God just doesn't do the hook. And then I listened to the album thinking Stove God 1,000 has a verse who I speak to pretty often. And I was like, how I'm all know that shit. No, but I had heard because they played the song. Paris at the at the fashion week they played the the record it says stove only had the hook but i thought i thought they just played the snippet no they played the whole record yeah okay so people was like yo he only on the hook she wasn't like they had played the kendrick shit before kendrick got on it i thought

it was like there was a stove verse for real yeah no i was hoping that i was they was wrong but um well i i promise you i do not know i've only heard in 1995 like the rest of y'all okay um between tweets that Freddie has had that we've discussed on this pod. Who are he talking to? He's been going at Cole subtly. We've talked about this for a year. Okay. Fuck you looking at me for it.

Because you're sitting right there. Okay. Based off conversations I've had with Freddie personally that, again, I'm not divulging any information. You can see it in his tweets. We just talked more about his tweets. Like, you get him talking about coal. It wasn't a secret. I think we get cold bars on this.

I've not heard it. I have not spoken to Freddie specifically about that outside of when he was tweeting before. But I'm just going to guess when you have Al Beats, you're coming off Alfredo, the series, the first one being the classic that it is. Yeah, I think he's here to prove that he's better than everybody. And he's not going to take shots on Al Beats on Alfredo too

after he's been tweeting and putting in certain bars on the last project. There was a few co-bars. He even talked about Cole apologizing. You think Freddie is just going to chill? I mean, listen. He's like, he's never letting anything go. Yeah, if there's anybody that's going to have some bars directed at somebody, it would be Freddie Gibbs, for sure. He's going directed at Cole.

I think he's going to continue to. Especially since Cole is supposed to drop this. At one point, I was okay with that. I was okay, cool. But I just don't know if Freddie going at Jay. Cole right now is I'm not going to say it's necessary but do we care I don't think there's going to be a record dedicated to Jay Cole I don't think we're getting a J.C. Not a record but bars there's going to be some bars for sure but do we care yeah I don't

know man I just think that people have put I think people have put J Cole in the space of obviously he's he's ill he's one of the best that we have here comes some disrespect No, there's no disrespect, but I just don't think that people, I think right now if Freddie Gibbs puts out, the song could be beautiful. It could be an incredible song. I think that if Freddie Gibbs is on there going at Jay Cole, I think you're going to get more people saying that was unnecessary and that was corny than saying like, okay, Cole, like, what you're going to do? Like, you got to, I just think that's what we're at right now. Well, after the shots on the last project, I'll say this conversation I had with Freddie after that. But again, tweet it, it said Barr's Direct.

we had that conversation of like you either look like a bully or j cole has the excuse of like not punching down talent wise but you know he's at that a list shit where if you ignore something it just looks like you're above everybody and that's why you're doing it so yeah you can't really win for losing but i'm saying i don't think freddie gives a fuck about that oh no he don't care that's what i'm just saying the fans are going to look at it like all right you either that's what i'm saying I'm talking about the consumers. I'm talking about us, the consumers. Oh, you're just trying to chase this shit, trying to get him to react?

Like, a year ago, I would have loved it. Now I would hear it and be like, because now that's all they're going to be talking about is the Jay Cole bars. Fucked to how beautiful the music is and how beautiful the album. Freddie fans are always talk about it. You're always going to get, again, the fans that tap on the glass. Yeah, I mean, you need some of those bars, so other people that wouldn't usually talk about your album.

We'll talk about it. All right, here's the question, though. Does Jay Cole respond? No. Which I've, not that Freddie would or would not take my advice on that. I would say go for it, but Cole is not going to reply. Okay. I think maybe he'll throw a subtle shot where it's so open-ended that you can prove to your friends in a small room that he's talking about, Freddie Gibbs.

You can't really publicly. I don't like that, man. I don't like that. You know rappers. You know rappers that do subtle, like, that they know only another rapper is going to know what I'm talking about. Oh, yeah. I think Cole will do that if Freddie has more bars for him and Alfredo. Because I do think Cole is dropping before September, November.

What you think, baby, D? I don't know if I don't know, man. I'm starting to feel, this is starting to give Cardi sophomore album again, where I'm like, nah, it's coming, now it's coming. And then the shit, it just keep getting push it back and push back. On Cole? Yeah. It's starting to give that, obviously, not the same amount of time.

But I'm not predicting anymore because every time I predict them wrong, I hate being wrong. I don't do well with being wrong. I'm going to listen to it when it comes, but I don't know if it's coming this year. Earlier last year, I would have bet my bad. The album, that's something about it. I'm talking about Freddie goes at Cole. You know what DeMaris don't care. Do you feel like Cole should respond?

Oh, I already said no. It's a lose-lose situation for him. Why is it a lose-lose-lose? We already had that conversation. It's a lose-lose because Why you respond to him but not? Yes. Okay.

Yes. Like, it's there's, he's going to, it's a lose-lose regardless. So just, no. Just leave it alone. See, y'all killed me when I said that was career suicide. But that's what I meant. Because you, like, who do you go, who do you respond to now? Who do you stand behind your pen against now?

I still stand by, it's not career suicide. But. He still can make music and sell record. I'm talking about that. the garden shortly after like two days before. I'm talking about, I'm talking about from an MC standpoint. Okay. Again, I disagree career suicide. I still think Cole would do the same numbers he always would have done with this next project, still be revered the same way. I do think what has paused this album coming out is I think he needed to rewrite some bars.

I think there was a lot of bars on there that he would look nuts saying. That's what I think has pushed some of this back. Oh, for sure. I think he had records that were done done. We're about to suddenly these sheds to mastering, but you're going to sound nuts saying that. Like what, though? Like going at people? The overall generic, I'm the greatest. None of these rappers can see me that we've loved Cole doing for the past decade. Like our favorite aggressive arrogant cold boy.

Okay, so that's what I mean by career. Like, you can't, your career is completely different now. But I know Jayco is completely capable and has proven that every song he does does not need to be braggadocious. I think he just had to pivot a bit and that's what's pushed this album back. Because he can't get, like, if you. You go through, what is it, 95 South? 95 South, the intro to the project. He's getting his shit off on that.

No, no, no, we know, we know Cole can route. But what I'm saying is, so when I say, because people kill me for saying career suicide. Because I think it's a little extreme. You can say it alters his career. It changes his career. Career suicide means your career is over. But he has to change, he has to,

he has to completely change the way he writes his bars now. Yes, but that does not aid his career. So he has to take out the braggadocious. I'm the best. If a rapper can. doesn't have that in his bars. If a rapper can't pop his shit, what can he do? Tell us about him losing his virginity again?

No, see, all right, I'm not going to let you do that. So I'm just asking if you can't, if you can't pop it. I think he can still pop it. Career suicide to me would be losing your core. What? I think he can still pop it. Whether you agree or not or whether you respect it or not is different, but he can still pop it.

He's going to pop. I just don't think. Yeah, but that pop, it don't land the same. Of course he can still say it. Yeah, you can say whatever the fuck he want to say. But it don't land the same as it did a year and a half, two years ago. And that's what I'm saying. So now, Roy is saying he had to change bars.

I still think he would be popping shit. I can't say that. I can't say that. I can't say that. That to me is like, you take Jordan's fate away away from him. I don't know who we have as a player. That's what I'm saying, my career is suicide. You tell Shaqie can't dunk.

I don't know who we have as a player. And I think by hip-hop rule. and standards as a rap fan, yes, you're correct, but Cole who probably has one of, if not the biggest core fan base of a rapper we've seen of this generation. That's career suicide when you lose them. Everyone that's a core Cole fan would tell you that love yours is why they're a fan over the looking for troubleverse. Like, yeah, Cole has had a large part of his career of him popping shit and rapping better than everyone and saying you can't rap as good as me, but that's not what built Cole's career. That had a huge part in it.

It was a good stat. Because your fans start to believe it. It was a good stat. They start to say it with you. They'd wrap your balls with you. Because anytime Cole would do some of the more singing, more vulnerable, more softer records, he would remind you that he wraps better than all you. But that was never like the core part.

Shit, why, Hull even signed him was off lost ones. Like, that's not a lyric. Cole was lyrical as fuck at that time. The only reason people wanted to sign him was because of the vulnerability of the shit he was doing. That's what dial in a dream. That started that. He just reminds us every now and then they, like first person shoot.

I forgot Cole was better than everybody. It's not the, like literally the DNA of his career. That's why I don't think it's suicide. Like if Ross can't rap about being rich no more, that's career suicide. Yeah. It's different. Like, Cole is not all, I'm better than you, I'm better than you. I'm better than you.

That's not who he did as a rapper. He does it well, but that's not his core as a rapper. He's got to curb some of that shit. Yeah, you can't say that. But to say that's like, that's like fifth on Cole's list of, if you talk about like Jordan Fadeaway. That's like fifth in his NBA live created player stats. I just, I mean, again, I think it may be the age, but for me, the one thing that every

dope emceeat and every rapper has is the ability to say, I'm better than all y'all. Yeah. When you lose that ability, you're losing a lot. I just think Cole is creative enough to still boast and brag in a different way. He can't do the directs. No, none of rappers can see me or all my fucking kids. That stuff is a dub for that. I don't want to hear that from him either, and I love Cole.

but I think he's creative enough to find a way to still be, you know, brag, be flying. I don't know, man. And just because a messy battle went a messy battle went a messy way and all of that shit happened, it doesn't take away, if we're talking about ability, it doesn't take away the fact that we all know that Cole does rap better than the majority of these rappers. We all know that. That's not something that he has to prove to us or that he has to tell us. We already know that.

You know that. So battle or no battle, it doesn't. I don't know if Cole rap better than Freddie Gibbs. We've had, I mean, we've had that conversation. Yeah, I don't know that. But a lot of times of, and I'm speaking just for me, where I thought Cole was one of the best rappers was just him rapping, not necessarily rapping that he was better than every rapper and no rapper can test him

or he'd each all alive. He's just proven, even his leakers freestyle, like, he's just rapping really well. He's not specifically saying no rapper should ever try to diss me, because you're dead if that happens. Of course he has those bars, but those were never the ones where I was like, oh, that's why he's the best. He just raps really well.

You can still prove you're the best rapper without having to say, I will beat anyone in a battle. Well, we're going to have to see. We're going to have to see where his confidence is that. We're going to see what he sounds like coming out of that. Like you said, you feel like he's had to take out some lines and raise some bars.

So we're going to have to see where... He's self-aware enough. Weird lands, man. Or maybe it'll be part to, maybe about the second girl that he has. sex with. That also, that also, you're an asshole. That also opens up another lane or another direction for him to go where that might be some things that he changed too because like you said, Cole specializes in vulnerability and a very vulnerable thing happened to him in this entire,

that entire battle and beefing that whatever. That opened up a whole other lane for him to create and talk about and looking at the aftermath of this battle what hip hop looks like now. He can't do that. He can't talk about it. Mall is underestimating how vulnerable and soft this new generation is. No, no, no, no, I'm definitely not. They're going to eat up that vulnerability. But I'm just saying, all, let me just say for me,

Jermaine Cole better not be on this album talking about anything about that battle. But I'm not even talking about just the actual battle. I'm talking about it could be post-battle, his journey, how he's dealing with the internet and the things that they say or how. Post-battle syndrome. Yeah, listen, man, sometimes you got to take a mental health day.

You can't have post-battle syndrome. Sometimes at Dreamville Fest, at the headlining. He got PBS? Nah, don't tell me Jay Cole got PBS, my nigga. I don't want to hear that. Don't tell me Jake Cole got PBS. He still be right there down the block

playing ball, one nigga. Like, he looked like he's fine. I'm just saying, I just want to hear the album. Freddie, if he's throwing shots. Freddy, going to find out how soft this generation is if he throwing shots of Jake Cole from top. I think Freddie's aware of how soft his generation. Yeah, man.

You got to just leave Cole alone, man. Just let him wrap, man. But yeah, either way, Alfredo, too, this Friday, extremely excited. congrats to Al and to Freddie. Absolutely. Looking forward to that one. I can't wait to see that they did a movie that they premiered in, I think, L.A. on Saturday.

I assume that comes out Friday with the album, but I'm looking forward to watching that, too. I think Freddie's personality is hilarious, so I hope they, like, focus on that for this whole movie. Because I think he's kind of uncancelable. His fans don't give a fuck. Freddie, not. He's uncanncelable. His fans like to... They like to toxic shit.

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Yo, it's your boy Cliff calling in for me sexes again, man. I'm hearing y'all go back and forth about the UK versus U.S. rap battle and I feel like we're leaving out a major, major proponent and all of this. What if the women decide they want to step into the arena. Who can rap against Little Sims?

That's all I'm saying. I don't know too many niggas in the U.S. who can keep up with Little Sims. She being her bag bag, big duffle. Hey, I bleed red, white, and blue, proud to be an American. All that. I don't know too many female rappers in the U.S. that can keep up with Little Sims. I'm not saying that we don't have spitters on the, female side in the U.S. that can rap. I just don't know if it's to that extent because you can't

come in there talking about popping pussy and shaking ass. I'm not saying that that's all they talk about, but I'm just saying if you come in there with that, she's going to shake your ass up on one right of here. I don't know what I'm saying? So man, what do y'all think, bro? Like if the females decide, they want to partake who, who, where do we, where do we side in that? I feel like we may take the ill in that lane. But maybe y'all have a different opinion, man. Let me know something. Let a pie keep going, man, all that.

Well, I was very proud of my non-patriarchy because I originally thought he was just saying if Little Sims just enters the ring against male U.S. rappers, I was like, yeah, they would have, as much as I think Joyner is an incredible rapper, he would have a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very tough time with Little Sims. But I see this gentleman is just saying if the women, rapper in the United States versus Sims. I don't think this needs to be a gender thing. I think Sims would clean a lot of people up.

Oh, yeah. She's incredible. I think she'd clean everyone up in the UK and the US. Yeah, and the Little Sims is, she's dope. She's definitely one of my, one of my favorite new artists. You know, she's not that new. She's new, but she's not, you know. Relatively.

Yeah, but I don't know if we, I mean. I mean, I hate that the U.S. women rap shit gets pussy popping shit. but I also get that point of view. That is what is put in front of us the most. That's the highest volume of rappers and what their content is. But, I mean, I don't know, do we have to be this podcast? Because we've said it a million times. There's so many amazing women rapper in the United States

that don't just talk about pussy whatsoever. I mean, listen, we could throw, I'll put Tierra whack in there. Tara would be with Little Sims. I like to see her and Little Sims do something. How would you feel? about very close friend of the show. And let's pin women against each other. Yes.

My favorite thing. That's what we do here. And by the way, this is sponsored by Demaris. This was her idea. Rhapsody versus LoSymps. Ooh. Okay. That's interesting.

I'd show up to see that. I show up to see that. They put, what's the shit that Swizz and Timmerlin sold there? Versus? Trilla. Oh. Trader? Shit, I'd pay for that app again.

He made it black. I'll go see that. Oh, it's Triller. He said, Trilla. Trilla and Manila. I didn't know what the fuck it was. Trilla in Manila. That should have been there.

The Trilla in Manila. I would pay for that app. Top dollar to see Sims and Rap go back and forth. I'm not mad at that. I definitely would watch that. I mean, also from the show, Kaley would go. La Kaley. Yeah, we got some, listen, man.

It's still some. Some spitters over here, the women, they still push the pen. I know it's not popular and it's not what you hear on, you know, on the DSPs all the time. But it's definitely a bunch of spitters over here that I think can hold down against a Little Sims. I mean, honestly, we've been begging for them to collab and they've like sort of been teasing it. Doshi versus Little Sims would be a matchup. And somebody who I think is underrated, as far as a rapper, Doja.

I think Doja Cat is super underrated as a rapper. I would like to see Doja battle a man just because I think Doja Cat is a really mean person and I mean that in a good way. Like I think the way we think like leaving condoms in your baby seat was like a lot. I think Doja would go insane on a man. Like she would say some shit

that would like really break down a male ego and destroy that person from the inside out. Because that's how you have to destroy us. Yeah. Like what we talked about of like when how women argue sometimes will just throw like certain shit in of like that's why you're going to end up like your dad.

And it's just like wow, that one sentence really. I think Doja would be so good in a battle towards a man in that exact way. But she got a lot of ammo on her though. Racist chats. But that's the thing. Oh boy, the tech guy. She dated. Yeah, but that's the thing.

There's not ammo there. She ain't that squeaky clean. She don't care. about nothing. See, but that can't be used. That's why I can't be used as ammo. It's only uses ammo if somebody cares about that type of shit. We don't give a fuck about that. Actually, I forgot. Azealia versus Little Sims. You want somebody to be mean. Somebody that would get very disrespectful. We're going to disrespect route. Yeah. She's too easy of a target in a rap battle. But see, that's where I think, like,

eight miles shit. Like, what are you going to say about me? Azealia owns everything. every last thing that's ever been said bad about her. She's fucking, yeah, that's when it don't work. She's on, on Twitter owning a fuck Palestine. Like she,

is there much like you can reveal about it's illegalia banks? Yeah, she was sacrificing cats and shit, like, she don't care. I'm just here to say this. You deal with somebody that does not care. Yeah.

So people who bring up a pussy rap, people who do pussy, you can rap about your pussy and still have amazing, amazing entangres and bars about it. The reason why I... Because I know...

I hate when women speak. Because I... Exactly. When you guys bring that up, the reason why people rap about their pussy is because that's what people support and that's what sells. It does not mean that they are incapable

of rapping about other things. It means that if they want to continue to pay their bills and buy very expensive chains with their names on it and be talked about in the headlines, that's what they have to talk about because that's what people buy. Even though people complain about it 24-7. So let's stop making it seem

like the people who rap about pussy are not great emcees, they're doing what sells because sex is what sells. Not all. So who's complaining? I like push. Some of them are great emcees. I'm just referring to the voicemail. Okay.

But then let me defend our Texas guy here. I love pussy rap. Yeah. But we do know the difference, even if we can't define it, between women that rap about their pussy and pussy rap. Because Missy Elliott is not a pussy rapper. But her biggest hits is her rapping about her pussy. 100%.

But we never put her in that category because. she's so much more than that. I think what this gentleman is saying in other people that view pussy rap is you are a one-trick pony. That's literally all you talk about. Flow Millie is not that, but there's a bunch of Flo Millie records where she getting bars off about her box. But I don't consider her a pussy rapper. But see, because one of the third people- I don't consider mega-pussy rapper, even though a lot of people do. That's what I was about to say, I'm like, that's one of the first people that came to my mind. But when I say that, people like, all she raps about it's her pussy. It's all the same thing. And I'm like, y'all don't listen to the

albums because that's not all she wraps about, but those are the songs that are going to go number one because that's what y'all want to see meg twerk and talk about her pussy. Y'all don't care about her talking about being depressed and all the other shit. Y'all don't care about that type of shit, baby. I ain't going to love. She made an incredible record saying she got depressed pussy and we was just like, nah. She made, that's such a, that's such a incredible record. Make it happy again. How can I help to make it happy? Men are so awkward. That woman was pouring her soul out. Yo, dog, I saw Charleston White.

Any time you start a sentence. Yo, dog. This thing. Yo, Charleston White is easily one of the craziest niggas. He said, he was talking about the whole WNBA thing. And he was saying, like, man, a lot of these women ain't attractive. We don't want to see that shit. He said, yo, you get more angel recess.

You get more of these girls out there. He said, yeah. But he said, send them other ones to play for the military. I'm not laughing. Again, then he said, somebody that you can't catch. He doesn't care, so it doesn't matter. He said, he said, yeah, they tell them why they want to get paid, boy. He said, you know how you get paid.

You got to lay on your back to get on your feet. If there was ever a version of toxic poetry, he should get some bongos. Imagine Charleston White at the Deaf Poetry Jam, like if they brought that back. Dog, I was crying watching that clip, man. Like, nobody thinks Charleston White is funny but me. Charleston White to me is If Shepal show went to season four Like he would have been a character

Not him but like he would have been How did Dave not snatch Charleston White up yet And like have him in a movie or something How? That nigga is a character 24-7 Because even though he's not cancelable Because he has like that fan base I'm saying like everything corporate That anyone's ever tried with him

Down to like even doing live shows with him Get canceled immediately like Who? He's trying to do populous. He's trying to do live pods before they got canceled. He, anytime there's some real corporate shit, like what a movie would be, you can't have Charleston White your shit. Yo, though, Charles, White. You just can't, like.

Though, that is the funniest dude in the world, man. I'm sorry. I just think he's hilarious. I think the dude is funny. Do you think, how do you think Josh would feel if you and I wanted to produce a Azealia Banks and Charleston White podcast? We're off, Mike. We're just producing it, but it's under. Josh's flag too.

Like, he's part of it. Yeah. It's a new Rorya Mall thing. And, like, we have a whole new budget. So Josh coming on as a producer would compensate him for this new show. Do you think he'd be on board? Yeah. I think Josh would be on board with that.

So his Twitter's been lying. No, he would be on board with that, though. Because he knows what that would do. He's just as toxic as us. He know what that shit would do. Those two? How long do you think it would last? it's just one episode

no we're producing a show under our yeah I mean I think we would have to just get one special it had to be a Netflix special of course it's hypothetical because we cannot afford either of them but that would be a special grand opening grand closing

yeah that would be a special I would give it three episodes I think by the fourth one it would go off the rails and it would just probably be over there because I think they would clash at that point that's all right

we got to produce the clash produce the clash man it's all good. We got to get out of this space of thinking that everything is, nah, we can't do it. Yes, you can. There's people doing worse shit than that. Every day. Trust me. That would be the funniest show at all time. Absolutely. I want to see that happen. I don't know how it happens, Josh, but yeah, I want to see that happen. Dog, RSS feed would be, what did they do to Andrew Tate? He can't even give Verizon Wi-Fi in America. They would cut us off so fucking quick. We'd be in the studio like, yo, is anyone else's Wi-Fi? Now?

Yeah, the 5G is down. That would be hilarious. You said we had one more. Yeah, what's up, y'all? Me and my Shorty been together for about four years. We've been living together for like three. And, you know, everything is cool. Like, we vibe well.

I love her to death. Like, we have a lot of fun together. But I feel like she wants me to be friends with her friends so bad. And I just don't rock with them like that, you know? And it's no disrespect to any of them. Like, they cool people's and all. But I just feel like we wouldn't even interact with each other if I wasn't her boyfriend. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm a nigga throwing through, you feel me? Like, I grew up in a few different hoods around my city. And, you know, all of my friends, the majority of my friends are black, you know, with their minorities, you know what I'm saying? And she's a Latina. but she grew up in like a rural area. So it makes sense for her to have mostly white friends, you know. But I don't know.

I just have a hard time relating with them or just like trying to find common ground, common interest and shit. And I don't know. You know, like sometimes I'd be wanting to tell her that I don't want to hang out with her friends just because of those reasons. But she don't, I don't think she'd understand. So like, how would you go about telling me? you're a significant other that, you know, you just don't rock with their friends like that. I mean, well, I'm the opposite. If somebody is completely different than I am, you know, if I have a girlfriend and her friends are completely different, I like that.

Because I feel like I could sit there and either laugh at the shit they into or I might like shit that I never try before. You might like, oh, this is what I'll be doing. Okay, let me try this. Let me try that. Like, and then you teach them about your culture and how you came up and things that you into. Like, if that's your girl, I think it's worth at least trying to have a relationship with her friends, no matter how different culturally they are.

You're saying worth, I feel like it's required. Like, if they were like weird, shitty people or like put your- They were bad people-put-you-put-your-girl in, like, bad situations or feel like they're, you know, don't have your girl's best interest at heart and they're not, like, real friends, then that's separate. Yeah. But I think if for long term for your partner, you're required to show face. And even if you have to throw on a little facade, small talk to get to know,

that's part of the gig, I guess. Like, I know in my relationship, some of my friends are awful. And I've watched my partners do their best. Not like awful, like bad people, but they're not the best. They're not the best people to try to get to learn. I can see why. Like, I don't want to hang with them. Like, I get that.

still you have to do that, but I'm with you 100%. Like, I think he should put a little more effort in to getting to know them. Like, it could be. You have no idea how cool it could be to learn about the rural shit that they was living in. Trust me, you have no idea. That shit could be fun, funny. You make great connections. One of her friends may be into some shit that you into, but you don't even know that

because you didn't have that conversation. It's a whole thing, man. You got to be willing to be open and be willing to, you know, just learn about different people and that could come from different areas than you. I mean, that's part of life. I mean, we talked. This was, I don't know, I think Studio 71 days or maybe even serious, of Kia being the first girl that I dated that didn't grow up with the exact same interests that I grew up. It was the first girl that I seriously dated that, like, we definitely have different childhoods for sure. Like what you were into and what I was into is drastically different.

Her and her friend group, it was so cool to learn about this shit. They had me at Rufus DeSoul concerts. I was popping Molly. It was incredible. It's just a cooler experience when I spent my whole life around people with the same exact interests, some of the same stories. Like, it's nice to not have that for a while. Go out there and meet some different people, man. You need that.

You need an array of different people, different friends that come from different cultures. That's one of the most beautiful things to me about growing up in New York City is that you're so close. some proximity to so many different people in different cultures. I don't know how people grow up and be like, yeah, I never, I never had white friends. I never, I'm like, what? But even like, what do you mean? Like that's crazy to me. Even my white friends also had similar interests as me as well, though.

But even if they're getting. Rory is the white friend. No, but even my white friend, like, yeah, we all had very similar interest growing up. And even, you know, like people I met post-19, 20 years old. Like, Pige and I, even though we have different interests, we have same interest in a lot of things as well. We're both racist. But, I mean, shit, some of Kia's friends,

the amount of times I've used the Shazam app around Kia and her friends is the most I've ever used that. Like, they put me on a music I've never heard. Like, I enjoy that type of shit. I think he needs to give that more of a chance. I just don't know, like, looking at it. Like, what could my girlfriend's friends, if they're all white? Like, what could they be into besides drugs that I would be like?

I'm sorry. No, I'm just saying that I would be like, yo, no, I'm not doing that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, the music they listen to? I don't, I don't think, from his call, I don't think it's what they're into. I think it's that he thinks that they're annoying and he's not really saying that. I think he thinks they're annoying. But they're annoying because they don't know each other.

And he's like, but he's not willing to be open and vulnerable enough to get to know her friends. Like, but once you sit down and start kicking it, you might be like, yo, nah, homie. He's kind of cool. Like, you know what I mean? A little wild, but you know what I'm saying? But he cool. Like, you just got to get to just have conversations with people, man. And then from that, if you be like, yeah, nah, homie is, he's into some other shit.

Like, I can't. Then, cool, but you can't not like your girl's friends or be annoyed by your friends if you never took the opportunity to try to get to know them. So, Saturday during the day, one of my friends from high school stopped by my crib with his girl. And they were going to a country show at MetLife. And I was like, you're going to a country show? And he's like, yo, she put me on.

Zach Byron? Mm-hmm. Brian. Which is so crazy that somebody could sell out MetLife for three days in a row and like you just not know. That's how crazy genres are in worlds. I'd never heard this person that sold out MetLife three days in a fucking row. Right.

We were playing that music the entire fucking day. I was like, this guy's amazing. And he was like, yeah, when we first started dating, she played this shit all the time. and I was like, yeah, what's this? And now he's, which I never even knew he likes country music, is the biggest fan of him now. Now he's buying Zach merch. Going to MetLife, like, they planning a day out of it, doing dinner.

That's what I'm saying. You'd be surprised in the shit that you think you don't like until somebody from a different world. At the shit you think you don't like. Yeah. It turns out to be the shit that you love. So, and shit, I mean, not that I just like country. It's like alternative country. but when they started playing stuff at my crib

before they went to the show, I was like, this is fire. This guy's nice. He was like, you got an extra ticket? He gave me Leon Bridges, but a little bit whiter. Okay, all right. Yeah, and it was really good music. Yeah. See, you never, you never know, man.

Because he sold out MetLife. Like, I'm not. You're late. You're late to this actually. There's this guy. You know, let me put you on this. Yeah, you're late to this guy. He just sold out MetLife three nights in a row.

You're late. But no, he was dope. and I don't know, I just think it's better, especially when you get older to go outside your comfort zone. Get into different shit, man. Meet other people. Listen, man. My friend circle has changed over the years so drastically. Oh, my God.

It's fun, though. Learn different people. Learn different cultures, man. The niggas you know, y'all going to be talking about the same shit all day every day. Nah, man, get out, meet different people from different places that are into different shit. Yeah. You'll be surprised. And I like it because, you know, it's been my man since high school.

He doesn't need to tell me a Lloyd Banks mix tape dropped. I know already. Right. Put me on to something. Put me on to Zach, man. This nigga's selling out of MetLife. Put me on a sudden else. How the fuck we're not there?

Everything my friends could teach me now, I know already. Right. Right. So, yeah. Just learn different shit, man. Force yourself to learn something different. But, you know, with that said, maybe he's just racist. He could be.

I didn't think about that. I didn't think about that. Or she's from a rural place. Maybe they're racist. Maybe his girl is one of the good ones when it comes to Latinas. Yeah, but even, again, y'all know I'm different. If I feel like my girls' friends are racist, I'm definitely going to the party. I'm definitely going.

Are you kidding me? You're going to tap their glass. I'm going in there with all the stereotype, big jewelry. I'm going in there big drip. All the stereotypes they think of. Man, I'm going in there with all kind of shit. Are you kidding me? That's the fun part.

Like, yeah, I think that's what I am. That's what I'm going to show up at. Yeah. And show up that way and then ask at the bar if you can play, like pay with EBT. Yeah. Like just every stereotype they probably think, just go for it. Some food stamps, take it out, like your hairs for the food. Don't worry about it.

I know you have been pouring a long time. You know those don't exist, right? Food stamps, yeah. It's like a, it's a car. Yeah. But I was like, Dan, I just know you. I got to find some food stamps to fuck everybody. Like, what is that?

Show up with food stamps. And they're probably young. They don't even know what a real man is. They probably don't even know what a stamp is. Exactly. Exactly. But have fun, man. Get to know your girl's friends.

It's all good. And if, I mean, you ain't got to be, tell her, tell her you don't like talking to women that ain't her. You don't got to be their best friends. No. Because if you don't, if he don't like them, he don't like them. If they're good people and treat your partner in a great way. This is her circle. This is her like.

That's fine. But if he don't, if he doesn't, you can be nice and you can be kind. But people can always tell when you're being forced to be their friend. You don't have to be their friends. I don't say going to a friend trip with them. That's what she wants. She wants him to be like, gang. and he don't want that.

She want him to dress up like all the other boyfriends on vacation? Yeah, like he don't. He ain't doing that. He's not jacking that at all. Yeah, no, I'm not doing that. Bro, you would do it.

Roy would do it if he liked the girl. If I go to the lobby, if I go with my girl on the trip and it's all couples and I go to the lobby. And the niggas got your fit on? And the other niggas got the same shit I got on?

Niggas got your Gatsby hoodie on. Don't we fighting. Don't play with me. Like, don't set me up with that stupid shit. Don't do that. And then anybody recording so we can go on TikTok. Don't play with me.

I don't want to be on TikTok. That's young boy shit though. You too old. I've seen a, what are you talking about? I've seen grown ass open. Really? Yeah. Absolutely.

Don't play with me like that. Don't do that. Don't do that. I think because you would, you would, women wouldn't like that. Y'all, you know, y'all hate when y'all show them and got the same shit on another. I think it would be cute for the TikTok, but I'm going to go upstairs and change. But it would be cute for the TikTok. Oh my God.

So funny. Content. But I will go change. Also, those aren't my friends. Yeah. Like if you and all your girls want to match, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. That's cute. If y'all want to match, cool.

But if y'all show up and y'all matching and didn't know, it's going to be an argument. Y'all going to be mad at your boyfriend. Even if a group of male, even though it's not my thing, if some friends want to go on a guy's trip and match for the bachelor's party, cool, whatever. That's my girls' friends' boyfriends are not my friends. We're not. But a lot of times, we're not entertaining. A lot of times are those group trips, the one that I've seen,

they are, the guys are friends too. It's kind of like on some, why did I get married type? Yeah, like they know. Oh, eventually, yeah. Usually with that, because there's been some time in, you guys have done enough shit together. Have y'all ever wanted, like, I kind of want that in my relationship,

like to be friends with other couples, but I don't know. I don't know how I feel. You don't want to be friends with other couples. Why not? You don't marry. Why not? Because I just know you.

You don't want to be friends with other couples. So are you more scared of, it working out long term or the breakup in that situation. I'm not really afraid of the breakup because I love cutting the motherfucker off. I don't know. I'm saying if everyone's friends it could get weird. You say you un-what? I'll unfriend people fast as fuck. Oh, I thought you say you unfuck. I'm about to say how you do that? She told us that doesn't the vagina change every seven days or some shit? Seven, yeah. Seven, well, you

seven years. First of all. You get all new cells every seven years. You're not the same person you were seven years ago. Okay. I'm not going to argue with science. My dick sells to the same thing. Yeah, exactly. Every day. But no. I don't know. I feel like that. I always just felt like that was so cool. Like, oh, we all go to Aspen one year and we all. And then like, I know me and mine, we're going to talk about all the other couples. Like, we're like mad cute in their face. And then like the moment we get to the hotel room and close the door, we talk. I mean, it's helpful. Oh, you're one of those. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Me and mine. Me and mine, me and mine, talk about people bad. We talk about

people so bad. Oh, my God. You're one of those couples? Yeah. You talk about people bad. That's the best thing is about being in a relationship is talking shit with your partner. talking shit and being racist with your partner, top 10. Yeah, I'll be, I'd be crazy. Yeah, words. You're like, but what's something of your racist shit there, like, no, it's because you're my guy. So like, just, but let me, I know you're not racist.

But you know, you know, you know, what's the thoughts when you be in the bed at night, like, after a long day of just dealing with the blacks, Rory? Like, what's your, like, your racist thought, like, oh, they're so loud. Like, what's your like, what's your like, damn, that could have been a racist thing? You know he getting to be. You know he get in bed with his partner every night and be like, Mal and Damaris was late again. Well, that's a fact.

CPT time. But I say that to both of you guys. But wish you're like, then that could have been a racist thought. Okay. So the two longest relationships I've had, one was with somebody that's first generation West Indian. Yep.

And West Indians, specifically Guineas, they might as well be the way like Nigerians look at black Americans. So most of that relationship was trying not to laugh. Okay. Okay. I would hear so many guys people say shit about black people. I'm like, oh my God. Just please don't put me on the internet when y'all was saying this.

With Kia, which I don't mind saying because we joked about it for a while. Because, you know, Kia did grow up, even though she grew up in Manhattan, that exposed to her. She went to school in the Upper East Side. Like she grew up around a lot of white people. as well, where I started to feel racist was me explaining black shit to a black woman. Right.

Was the most racist things I was doing. I can see how that's like just, that's just, wow. So it's been different forms of awkward racism because when I start breaking shit down to Keha, I sound racist, but you ask me a question. Right. So it sounds like I'm speaking for black people.

You know about black cultures. Yeah, okay. I can see how that's a law uncomfortable. It's pretty much like save the last dance reversed. I'm Derek. Right. I get it. Okay.

I took it to a cafeteria. I taught her out to do this. Yeah, yeah. You know. Your racism is so fucking crazy. When you just think about racism, it's the craziest. Racism is so fucking crazy. As long as it's not like structural or like institutional.

Yeah, as long as you ain't stopping people from advancing. Yeah. You're not stopped. But just in behind closed doors with your partners. Because I ain't going like. And we could close out to this. But like, one of the most racist things I do is when, like, mid-traffic and somebody do some dumb shit on the road. Please don't call him.

I'm like, like, it's a game I play with myself. Like, once I get to see the drive, I'm like, I knew it. I fucking knew it. Like, who else would it be behind the wheel? Please. All right, man. We're done. We're done.

Dude, Shane Gillis put that shit perfectly. He said racism is like hunger. Sometimes you're not hungry until a cheeseburger cut you off in traffic. Like you weren't hungry at the time. Yeah, but now I'm going to have a cheese. But now. Now I'm hungry. All right, man, we're talk to you all the couple days.

Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.

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