New Rory & MAL - Episode 393 | Get To Steppin'

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

We made some waves on social media with our last episode, so we had to give Baby D props for holdin' it down for the pod (8:30). It looked for a second like Gilbert Arenas was about to see some serious jail time until he snitched (13:25). ESPN fired Shannon Sharpe because he couldn't stay away from young women (22:00). Let that be a lesson to everyone. Mal doesn't believe the new YouTube Monthly Listener statistics (30:42). Plus, Rory and Mal try their best to be excited about Chance The Rapper's new album (50:35), Demaris and Mal debate whether Ari Lennox had a point in implying Martin was colorist (59:00), and "De" calls back to update us on her situation and call out Rory (1:50:55) #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I will always be jealous. Like, Maul can get a shirt with any fucking color in it, and he somehow got sneakers to match it perfectly. I noticed that shit every episode. You could just say, like, your mall how you do that there that's all you got to say like you ain't got it is this a fad song yeah i'm just saying you can just ask you could just call me baby d just ask like we can kick it you know what i come come to the closet i got some shit for you so good you know what i'm gonna style demass no she can you know she wears she wear baggy stuff so she gets on my t-shirt and stuff

i've been asking for some god's speed shit he ain't gave it to me yet he got the whole line what you asked me for just anything yeah and i asked you for that palm angels uh's neck. I've been wanting that shit so long. That's still in the cleaners. I gotta go. They might have shit my shit. That's been in the cleaner so long. Like, I don't even know if they still got that. I got to go check.

I like Palm Angels. I just don't think I can pull it off. Why? Because you look like the bear? That too. But I don't know. I feel like I'd look like a... It's kind of like Jordan, Jersey.

Like a white Mexican from the I. It's how I feel like I would look if I wore it. If you wore Palm Angels, yeah. That's just how I feel. I don't know why. It's a great brain. I just don't think I can pull it off. I just think you...

You're thinking a little too deep into that, but it's okay. It looks like great product, though. No, it feels great. I got to give Demarest this. You may not ask her for that's what. I'm going to go get it out the cleanest. Hopefully, they still got it. Thank you.

Just like the sneakers that she's old. I got her some sneakers. I got her some sneakers. I'm not going to talk about, we're not even going to talk about the way that. Mall has disappointed me in this relationship. But, Rory, what else? Damn, that's crazy. When they say you're disappointed.

She's not even mad anymore. Yeah, that's just disappointed. She expected better for me. Yeah, yeah, that's what disappointed. She had you up on this plateau and then realized that she was. He was right down here. Yeah. I'm saying.

Roy, what else you feel like you can't wear because you white? I mean, anything from the new Kanye line. I think that's actually the own brand. Yeah, you fit right now. With a new haircut. You should actually be a new campaign for the ugly. It's just a little too on the nose, I feel like if I wore it. Yeah, it's too easy.

Yeah. Like if you wore it, it's like edgy and like what does he really mean? Yeah, like what side is your own? No, that's what he means. That's who he is. We know what's in his DNA. Yeah, yeah. Yo, Kanye, you see my true.

$25 back. Oh, you still ain't get your shit? Yeah, man. I ordered them Nazi boots, man. You deserve to get scammed. The Nazi boots ain't come yet, man. I was like, it was still cold outside when I ordered that for 25 hours. Maybe you went to your old apartment.

Let me stop saying Nazi boots. They were some dope boots. Like, they looked like durable. I just want to, I like them because they looked like they was great for just snow. Nasty winter days. You could just throw those on. Like maybe in the mountains of Germany. Or the mountains of New Jersey.

Like wherever like. Or like invading Paris. Yeah. No, they looked like they looked like they were good. every day just, you know, knock around boots. And it was for $25, I was like, why not? But he ain't sent him yet. So Kanye, send me my money.

You know, he probably has some international shipping issues at the moment. Tariffs, the tariffs. Everybody blames the tariffs. You know, Trump and the tariffs. That's all. What about Kanye's tariff is? Having the same tariffs than a Nazi gear that's being made overseas. And the irony that is made in China is even funnier.

But I guess that's a deeper, deeper conversation for another day. Oh, man. We are back sponsored by Boots Mobile. Yes. We'll be, I saw that YouTube now will allow us to curse within like the next few seconds and still be monetized. I don't know if we can say Nazi within the first three seconds, though. Yeah, that's tone the line.

That's asking you. Maybe just, I mean, keep it, but, you know, it'll be a test. It's an experiment. It was past seven. The Nazis did do experiments, Josh. It was past seven seconds. Oh, Pete. We should be good.

It's past seven seconds. That's all. Just get rid of the rule of that. that boy. Like it was a minute before, right? Something like that. Yeah. It was like four minutes, honestly. Yeah. I mean, but honestly, we shouldn't be cursing in the first seven seconds of anything. Like, fuck that. See, baby didn't have it been. Sorry. I got a doc your pay. That's coming out your pay. I'm worried about that. That's crazy. We have a swear jar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were supposed to. We been supposed to have a swear jar.

Yeah, we were. We been supposed to do that. Everybody would be $4,000 in there by now. I do curse more than I should at 35. Yeah, I was talking to my mom about that. She was laughing like, I was hoping her my aunt last weekend and they was telling me stories about when I was young they used to get a kick out of me because I had like a terrible mouth. They used to curse all the time. And one of my cousins watches the show

and she was like, you know, like he'd be talking crazy, cursing, but I love it. So my mom was like, he still got that potty mouth but I'm like, I really don't curse a lot. Like not a lot. I curse, but I try not. By whose standards though?

Like the average, everyday working person, not at a dock or a construction site? I mean, yeah, like a New Yorker. The average, I curse less than the average New Yorker. No, I think you're right on bar. You think so? No. When we have conversations like regular, I don't curse.

Mall's not that bad. I'm not. I'm not. I'm really bad. I'm definitely bad, which is crazy because, I mean, I am stupid and I can't read, but I don't need to curse. Like, I can find other ways to fucking say things. Yeah.

Exactly. Yeah. It adds a little season into which you, your emotions. That's all. You know, just because, again, we don't like work construction or something. and like I can't get my anger out on cement. I mean we're not building the culture right now? Well, yeah.

Metaphorically, yes. Yeah, yeah. Okay. It's leaning for sure right now. Let's check the specs. But yeah, I don't know. Curse words just, they get rage at it. It just feels good.

Yeah. I was cracking up, like, because of, you know, my little rant last episode, there were so many people in the comments, like, since when did she have this energy? And I was just like, oh, y'all don't, y'all don't know. Like, I curse. Y'all think I cursed that well just, like, with no practice? Like I, like, I get my, I cuss people. Cussing niggas out is like my forte.

I specialize. Oh, they don't know that by you? Oh, come on. Y'all don't know baby D if you. I don't know that about her. Cussing niggas. She can't wait. She leaned into cussing the nigga out now.

Yo, but I was rewatching that and I'm like, yo, this is why you can't be fighting. How much anxiety did you have after that? I had terrible. Yo, fight. I was hungry. Checking your phone every four minutes? No, I wasn't that bad. But just when I was canceled.

Wait until you got to check to see if you canceled. Y'all don't know that. That anxiety. Like when you're toe in the line They're about to pack me up Like get me out of the culture Ooh baby And then your family calling you for dumb shit

You're like yo It's a whole other world I'm about to be exiled from right now Get off my line man But imagine if Demaris was canceled For that rent That would be crazy Cancel is crazy

I would believe the lawsuit Yeah top Top has a lot of control If Demaris got canceled for that rent Yeah but now I just look back at it And I was like This why you can't podcast

Like when you're going through shit Because I was I had to eat All day I was hungry I was fresh off a flight, tired. I had no makeup on. And I was arguing with a nigga. It was too much going on at once.

Like, the niggas caught smoke that wasn't even really for him. Oh, I mean, 99% of the time when I yell on this podcast, it's rage that I've been holding in that is nothing to do with what we're talking about. But that's why I also can't curse because there'll be times I'll be yelling in arguments or debates or whatever with you guys. And we all know everyone's not mad. That's just how we talk to each other. When you add in curse words, I totally see why the perception of the internet is like,

that's a really angry person. Yeah. Yeah. Like, no, I was fine. We left after. I just said the F word at the top of my lungs 30 times. So the average regular person would be like, that's an angry person. Yeah.

But it happens. We all have, we've all had our moments. That was mine, man. But I was going through a dog. You was going through something? Well, how are you feeling now? I'm great now. Everything's good.

Everything's good. Yeah, you're feeling good. Good communication and stuff like that. But yeah, I was tight. Did I mean, did that get any of that anger out? a little bit a little bit but then having to deal

with the aftermath for everybody like you're so emotional I'm just like dog like this ain't even about y'all so it was just like you know whatever but also like I also feel like because I'm a woman in hip hop it's like stay out of men's business

and it's like you niggas ain't about to kill each other like it's media yeah nigs were saying it'll stay out of men's business that's how women get men killed who's business was that get men killed that's how getting men killed yeah I was wild and I'm like

I'm mad safe See, I don't see that. I don't see those, those, like, those comments. Like, that don't, that don't land on my page. Like, somebody's saying that, like, stay out of men's business. This is how men get killed. Like, what is that? What do we, what are you been talking about?

If I got killed from that, I'd have to have a long stern talk with the Lord Jesus Christ. This is how I went out? Yeah. This? This right here. Couldn't get hit by a fucking truck or something cool. Yeah. This nonsense.

I was so mad that, that we let that go out, though. I was so mad. Like, so fucking mad. See, I'm cursing, but I had to add that. You know what I mean? That was a little bit of sassone right there. I was so mad, though, because it's like. I forgot about it until I seen the clip.

For what? Just for what? Why is everybody just... Content, baby. Just, yeah, but we ain't got to do that. I know. I knew what he was doing when he said, what he said. It was like, okay, I get it.

I'm just saying I get it. I'm just saying I get it. You know what I? Hey, yo, hey, because it all comes down to this. This is how you simple. life. We all got bills to pay. We all got bills to pay. Everybody just trying to pay bills. However you dress it up, however you slice it, the end of the day, you just want to be

able to pay bills, provide for your family, and be comfortable. I get it. I'm not mad and nobody ever trying to pay bills and do what they got to do to make that happen. And respect to that. So is, yeah, respect. But it's just like, once I see something, I'm just like, all right, I don't take that personal. It's like, it's okay. I get it. I mean, you know, we don't know. We don't know. line and those things and we don't you know we're not built in design the same but I'm cool I'm a little older I'm a little you know different than most I understand that but it's like we still doing I think it's hilarious all is so funny like it's just like we still doing I just think it's funny

no it is very funny it's like I literally laughed out loud in my kitchen watching it by myself and I laughed all in the same now Damaris sentiments were real and you know that's how she feels and I respect that. And a lot of those sentiments I feel the same. We align, you know what I mean? But just the overarching just thing, just of, you know, somebody said this. And then I got to respond it. And now it was beef and this, this, da, da, da.

Now, they said, you guys stand up for me next time Drake come at me. He didn't, when he came? Oh, because he laughed. He posted. They said, you guys stand up for me now. Because plot twist posted. He didn't even post that. That was plot twist.

Anyway. Also, it's funny. The next time Drake goes out to make, like, some back and forth. Yeah, like, yo, as soon as the album's done, like, he's back on with Demaris. Yeah, it's back lit. Like, he's just telling for now. When the album come out in a line drop, broke podcast, bitches. You know, they know it's coming.

Like, when, when niggis dis me just, you guys are standing? You think Drake has a line going at you. Like, he did. I'm a narcissist. Okay, all right. Yeah, right. That's fair. She's going to find the stuff in that house.

Once you find something to attach to your likeness, you know what? You know what I'm, do you know what? You know what? The thing, baby. Get your shit off. You don't know what I ain't Matt. Listen, man, I'm just glad that you and I were safe. That's all.

No, we're very safe. I'm glad. Yeah, no, no, man. Listen, man, shout out to everybody, you know, doing what they got to do to pay bills. Yeah, man. Hopefully, when you lay down at night, that pillow don't feel like it's rocks in it. That's all. Speaking of paying the bills, what's Gilbert doing, man?

Snitching. You think he snitched? Did you not read his caption on his post? Oh, no. I just saw him dancing walking out of court. Five minutes after he was arrested. Oh, you didn't read the caption. Oh, no, I did not.

Please read the caption for you. I mean, in the caption. Wait, did he say, hey, I snitched. Look, no, read it. Scroll up. I'm back on the streets. This ain't got shit to do with me. I just rented the house.

Wasn't a part of it. If he told us that, what you think he told them? You've written up a lot of solid points that I can't refute. Yeah, if we know, he just was renting the house and all this and he had nothing to do with it. If he told us that, what you think he told them people in there? He'd run it down the steps burping me. you can smell a Pepsi. You know once they get the Pepsi.

The track is laid. You know that. You know, but snitching, as he should. He's a taxpaying citizen. You're not no thug. Yeah, cooperate. But don't act like you ain't co-op-op.

See, I'm not mad when people who cooperate. Not mad at that. Just don't act like you not cooperating. No, hold on. That's all. Yes, taxpaying citizen. But in the event, if you are in an illegal gambling spot,

you are participating in illegal activity and I feel like you should be on the side of the activity that you're participating willingly. I'm not big, tough. I'm a citizen. But if I'm an illegal gambling spot and I get arrested, that's snitching if I tell him when I was doing illegal shit with y'all. Well, Gilbert Arenas. I don't care if you're a civilian. You're right.

Gilbert Arenas are five of the defendants, including a suspected high-level member of an Israeli transnational organized crime group. You know, the feds, the feds been waiting, wait a trying to get that guy for years. They put all that on them. How did Gilbert meet them? We're arrested today on a federal indictment. Alleging they operated an illegal gambler business in which high-stake poker games were played at an Encino mansion arenas owned. So, you know. Okay, but saying you just rented the spot, like, were you upstairs asleep and you just had the fellas over?

And then they were like, shh, I want to play some cars. Don't tell Gilbert. Maybe. Maybe that. Or maybe he literally just owns the house and, you know, was renting it out. And because the house is in his name, you know, obviously he would have to be brought in. for further investigation in which he will cooperate fully and let them know exactly what his role in the matter when it comes to the house being his and things that were going on in the house.

And who knows, maybe he had no idea that these poker games will happen. Well, that could in fact be true. But there was a strange coincidence that maybe the pictures of Arena's poker club logo tables, like you have to get that logo made, then sent to a poker. company. You got to get a sample sent back. You got to play a few hands to see if this is really what you want to do a lot across the table. So I mean in the event maybe Gilbert rented this house to them and wasn't there and he just happened to have his poker tables that were not, you know, they were playing with M&Ms. He's a poker fan. And they thought, well, hey, this is already here. We might

as well take our illegal Israeli gambling ring. Yeah. To Gilbert's house. Yeah. We're already here. You know, Israel is in America as we know. America is Israel. so Gilbert had property and they were looking to get a fellas night He just happened to have poker tables lying around Now Here come to my house, play here If Gilbert was part of it, cool, I think that's snitching

But if that's his house and he rented it out to these people I'm snitching on every Israeli in there Yeah, but You're not using the house that I'm rented To run fucking prostitution rings and shit No, I'm snitching Yeah, but now Can he

Sleep comfortably in his current home, knowing that he snitched on the Israeli transnational crime syndicate regime fucking what the Fed said like can he sleep comfortably knowing that he did that?

It's the same people that took out Epstein. I'm just saying can he sleep comfortably as all. I don't know, Gil. Listen, man, it's looking shaky right now. I know it's all, you know, jokes and laughs coming out the courtroom, but I don't know if it just ends there. I don't know what you did in that room. That's your business.

but we're here to talk about your business. That's what we do. And, you know, we'll have to see what happens. But he is, he is free out on bail. I'm guessing he'll have another court date soon. I don't think that that's just the end of it. They just let him out and that's it. He'll probably have another court date and we have to see what happens.

Listen, man, we're just going to trust the feds. Those weren't prostitutes. They were waitresses. Yeah. They were just bringing drinks to people that were playing cards. That's all. And they just happened to have money there. It doesn't mean they were betting the money.

They just happened to be attracted to the guy and, you know, had a chemistry and just had sex. I mean, how much do you get for gambling? I'm sure you probably get more now that gambling is legal and they're trying to get all the illegal shit to fuck out of here. But should gambling be illegal? Like, if, you know, you come to the house, Rory and I have poker tables and we want to get a couple of hands and we start throwing around a couple thousand dollars.

Well, now that gambling is legal, that should not be illegal whatsoever. It's illegal still because the country can't tax it and can't run it on the realm. I think these type of poker games, again, high-profile people I'm assuming, I think the amount of money that was being exchanged and the amount of money that was being gambled there. And then obviously, you know, where the problem comes in, you know, again, Gilbert, we don't know your business, but the house always takes a percentage. It's a buy-in fee. You know, we know how these things go. It's a buy-in fee.

You know, the girls that's working the game, they get paid. if sex happens. Now you're talking about a whole other thing. So that's when it becomes a federal thing. It's like if me and you are just playing while the game is on, getting some cards. And the feds are not coming, kicking our door down. But now if we have, you know, this is a thing like every Friday we're here. And, you know, high profile people are coming.

And we're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars of being gambled weekly. Then the feds might, you know, start digging and seeing what's going on. I mean, they could just do it. way we all laundered money through cash app and say reimbursement for dinner yeah don't even have money at the gambling spot just everyone settle at the end of the night with cash app and save reimbursement for dinner sides 30,000 on sides sides the sides did in fact cure cancer you spent 120 grand on the side fucking sides man um well yeah I mean prayers everyone involved uh I mean, it is just gambling.

I don't, I mean. It is just gambling, but again, it's, it's illegal. So, you know, on the land that we live on, that is illegal. It is what it is. However, we may feel about it, the loopholes, the blurred lines. You know, I can gamble on the game tonight. I can gamble on pretty much anything else. But if I run a gambling poker game in my house, it's deemed illegal.

That's why I've stayed clear of a lot of, like, Afties. Because a lot of the afties are like half gambling spot, half, we're just going to party till the sun is up. And when that shit gets raided, everybody's going to jail. I don't care if you have a blackjack hand or not. All them afty spots, no. The moment I see a Russian that doesn't look like he should be there, I know something's going on on the other side of that wall. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And we're all going down. Yeah, especially when you go in a bodega and it take poppy 10 minutes to come from the back. Got a hot hand. Yeah, you look back there, some crazy domino ring going on. Were you involved in the James Brown, RICO funeral case? I feel like he was definitely there. You were definitely there. Why do you feel like I was involved in the James Brown?

Because everybody north of 110th Street was. No, I had nothing to do with that. No. That was the wildest headline ever after James Brown died. That was like the biggest gambling takedown ever at the repast. But either way, it definitely wasn't the high stakes that Shannon Sharp puts up in only fan DMs. Yeah, it's been a rough, rough couple of. days for retired athletes.

I'll take Gilbert's situation. Oh, yeah. Oh, any day over what Shannon Sharp was dealing with. It has come out that Shannon Sharp has been fired from ESPN. This is coming off the hills of him. Complexless coming off the hills of that. Well, well, yeah. What number was he?

16. Something like that. Not good enough. Not going to get it. Number 32. Shannon Sharp was let go. Well, let's call it. He was fired.

Shannon Sharp was fired. on his day off at ES, from ESPN. This is coming off of him settling his sexual assault. Was that his charges? Allegedly settled for $32 million to the only fans woman for, I don't know if we can say the word on YouTube. Forcible sexual assault. Now, Shannon, we at New Roarie Mall support you with fans of your work. We do?

Yeah, we support Shannon. we've supported Shannon before. Oh, in the past for sure. Yeah, I'm just saying we've supported Shannon Sharp. But this type of being caught up in something like this is just absolutely, you know, it's just stupid. Like there's no way Shannon Sharp should ever even know who this young woman is, have any dealings with her on any level. Like I, you know, I get it. Everybody has their things they like doing their private life.

But at a certain point, there's certain things you should never. never be involved, would never be attached to. And this is just a very expensive lesson for Shannon Sharp. What has taken more men out, do you think? Heart disease or lust? Definitely lust. Because, dull. Lust breeds hearts.

We've all fucked the wrong person before. But what did you do that you were comfortable settling with that fucking girl? I've never fucked the wrong person when I was worth $30 million. I would never say. settle with somebody if I didn't do anything. That's a fact. But I also would never fuck the wrong person when I'm worth more than $30 million. I just feel like if you have that much money, you have access to women that actually

won't do this. You have access. I find a consistent horror that will cost you less than $32 million a year. Okay. Let's just be careful with the horror words. Is that not the definition of horror? She's a victim of, according to his settlement, she's a victim of sexual assault. No, no, no. I'm saying that, I'm saying Shannon Sharp could go find a whore.

Oh, okay. That he could consistently fuck for cheaper than that that would not do this. If you want to get your lus shit off, I'm not here to judge. But I will judge the 19-year-old only fans girl at your age. Right. Monique told him. Monique did try to tell him. She told him what was going to happen.

She told him she saw the way he was moving. She said, you know, you got to set around. You know, you got to find your lady, your partner. whatever. Young girls. Ladies. And again, I don't think anyone settles if they didn't do anything wrong with that price. But it still fucked Tony Busby, who now just got times 0.05, $1.6 million to fund the rest of his law firm to continue to do bullshit.

Yeah. We just put more money in Tony Busby's pocket. I don't know what Shannon Sharp's next steps are. I still think there's plenty of people that will tune into him. I don't think his career is over, but I think no matter how much money you have, that amount of money is going to hurt anybody. I don't know when he has to pay it.

I don't know if there's a loophole. I would probably try to go to Bali. Liquidate some of that, go to same parts. But what does that mean for Shannon Sharp, like with his career now? Is it over? Will he still be able to, obviously, he still be able to upload his podcast on YouTube and things like that? but like on a national level.

There is definitely another move that he could do. Who's the guy that played in Get Him to the Greek? Long hair. Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Russell Brand. Super cool, liberal hippie. Got caught fucking a 16 year old in London. And now he's full-blown Republican.

There is a move that Shannon Sharp could do here. Rumble would love to have you, Shannon. Yeah, but you're missing. Tucker Carlson will interview you tomorrow. missing the bigger thing though Russell is white fair see when you black

country big big pause he's a big he's a big guy he's a fucking unit definitely a unit even naming somebody

a tight end is gay but go ahead I mean never actually looked at it that way yeah yeah there's a difference there's a difference that comes with that it's not as easy

to crawl out of that hole when you're black unfortunately it is what it is we we know it we've seen it time and time again when you're white you get caught up and things like this you come back yeah easily but like any company republican LLC is also looking to get into the urban space definitely so you have to think that as well definitely they're looking for ad ad space yes yes so i think shannon sharp that you do have you do have a move here it's sad to see go to the right Right. Shannon had, you know, he had everything going for him was one of the biggest, biggest names in media.

Again, I don't know what he has to do with hip-hop, but he made it on a hip-hop media ranking list. I mean, Shannon Sharp was, you know, he was a house, he was becoming a household name. And to have something like this happen is, you know, it's just, it speaks to what you do when those cameras turn off. You got to, you got to be doing the right thing when the cameras are off as well. You can't be this upstanding guy and, you know, have all these morals and, you know, have all these morals and well-spoken and so eloquent on camera when the lights is on and then once the lights turn off you start talking to 19-0s like you just can't be that guy I'm sorry like you just get your life together but do we think is it shocking that the guy that posted himself

having sex on IG live that was a mistake even though there's seven surprised that that guy. Seven steps you have to go through on IG to go live, but that was a mistake. I'm not going to say who had volume looked me dead in my face and said, no, no, that was real. I said, found the first liar in the company. Yeah. Yeah. We don't think that guy would also DM a 19 year old only fans girl, because I think that's the exact guy that would do that.

The old man that's open an IG live to make sex noises is definitely going to find an only fans girl. I just don't know. How horny you got to be. Maul, you are always surprised by horny people. There are really, really horny people out there. Yeah, but how horny are? Yo, if you are who Shannon Sharp is, you have a plethora of vagina that is readily available for you.

You ain't got a backslide to the 19-year-old only fan model. If that's your type, that's your type. That's his type, bro. Yeah, but your type going to have you in a whole 30 million. How you developed that type? Like, yeah, like how your type got you in the whole 30 million? Since he was 19, he always just, 19 was his thing. Yeah. He just never stopped liking 19-year-olds.

Yeah, that's, yeah. I mean, listen, man, eventually, you know, your lifestyle catches up to you. And that's one thing I think that is true and that will continue to be true is your lifestyle will eventually catch up to you the way you live, the things that you, you know, consume. At some point or another, they affect you in ways that might cost you $30. Might cost you $30. But it will cost you. Did y'all see Meek's tweet? Meek, I'm sorry, that was the funniest fucking tweet I've seen this.

Greatest sweater of all time. No, what it makes it? I'm sure it was insightful. Meek said, y'all too old to be getting fired in response to that shit is sharp fucking. It's pretty funny. That shit had me crying because that's how I found out. That might be actually one of the more precise tweets he's ever given us is that's a fact. Y'all too old to be getting fired for real.

That shit had me crying because he right. No, he's absolutely right. And especially fired over something like that. Like, if Shannon Sharp said something that was a little, you know, throwing the line and a little edgy and ESPN didn't really align with it, they didn't agree with it and they let him go, then it's like, all right, Shannon, it is what it is. You stood on business.

We respect that. We salute that. We still welcome you in the culture. But when you get fired for shit like this, it's hard for us to still support and embrace Shannon and, you know, everybody makes mistakes. But it's like, come on, though. You too old to be making this type of. This is like, this is such an inappropriate mistake.

Yeah. Like, this is a super inappropriate mistake. And to Meek's point, like, he's in, like, laid off territory with his age. You can't be getting fired. Like, retirement. Yeah, you got to get either laid off, like, here's your watch. Thank you for your service over the years. Yeah.

That's rough. Well, congrats to Meek. They released the YouTube. What was the exact thing? YouTube music, monthly listeners metric. Meek was much higher than I intend. anticipated that he'd be. Meek was really up there. Meek was at 237 million, which puts him at one, two, three, four, five. Sixth place. Wait, YouTube music has introduced its own version of the

monthly listeners metric called monthly audience. So I'm still a little confused by this, because it hasn't really been like a real reputable outlet that has been hosting this. This is not real. But everyone has been talking about it nonstop. This is not. And then we were looking, you can go find these numbers on YouTube. So it is accurate, but I haven't seen YouTube co-sign it. So I'm very confused. Meek Mill has more monthly listeners than Drake.

Yeah. Kids love YouTube. All right. All right, though. I don't care. Why are you saying it on YouTube? Like, that's going to like, nah, you're right. I just wanted to clarify.

Yo, not on YouTube. Like, nah, yeah, you're right. I can see that. I also don't believe it, but I just wanted to clarify for the listeners that we were definitely talking about. to. Yeah, I said YouTube music. Monthly listeners.

Yeah. No. And Doche was tied with Eminem at $332 million. Meekmill has more monthly listeners than Travis Scott, Jay Cole, Nikki, Drake, future, Tyler the Creator. Why is Coolio? Playboy Cardi. Because of Gangstas Paradise.

All streams, all $251 million are gangster paradise. Cut the shit, man. Listen, man, look, numbers don't lie. What do you? What do you cut the shit? Not to me for. Let's cut this shit. Numbers have never lost.

Salute that anybody doing anything, but let's cut this shit, man. Like, we could, it's okay. It's okay for us to see bullshit and call it. It's bullshit. There's no, in no world this meek has more monthly listeners on any platform than Jay Cole, Drake, Future, Tyler, creator, Playboy, Cardi. I'm just not rolling with that. And left off the list out of left field was Taylor Swift and Bad Bunny.

Oh. Oh, thank God. Pip, Pip, boy. No, Pitbull is hip-hop. Don't do that. Pitbull started out as a rapper. No, he started out as a rapper. And then once he saw that other money,

he ain't put on a pair of jeans since. Pit bull been in a suit every day. Different type of jeans. He's been in a suit every day in his life the last 17 years. No bullshit. Hey, man, Florida. I don't blame him. When you see that other bag, you're not.

You can bullshit with rap if you want. I'm over here, man. They're giving out stupid bags. I always like Floodah. I never understood why he got a bad rap. He just makes like poppy rap. He'd be rapping, though. He makes good cruise carnival cruise music.

Yeah. Yeah, he's a carnival cruise music that Cool and Dre produced, so I also like it. No, listen, there's definitely a space where Flo Rada that should come on. It's like, this is absolutely, I want to have Flo Rada here. What's kind of fucked up is, and I think it's because we didn't pay attention to numbers as much back then. But like, if you were to do the top rapper lists and all the shit that we do now, in the mid-2000s, we left Flo Router off every list. he should have been on. You can't be that dominant with numbers

and not even be in the conversation. Yeah. Because anytime I want to say Playboy Cardi's fucking trash, rightfully so, everyone goes, well, I mean, he sells out fucking stadiums

and streams more than anybody else. So, what can I say? This list is bogus. I'm calling it. You don't think Dogey and Eminem are tied? For number one. No.

Okay. I do not. I absolutely. See, you're a hater. I stand on that. I'll be that. I hate these numbers. I fully believe every number here.

Okay, that's what's up. I don't even think like they're off by one or two. I think this is extremely. I think this is extremely, I think this is extremely, I think everyone's on a whole number. Yeah, yeah. But this should be changed. It's always the whole number. This will probably change like every two weeks, no?

It would change every, yeah, monthly. It would change every day, but if you're going by monthly, I mean, yeah, man. It's just no way, man. It's no way. It's just no way. way. You're like, I'm looking at it. The more I look at that, this I'm just like, bro, you don't think that Lil Teca has more streams than Drake? Come on, man. Like, we could just stop the bullshit. That's

all I'm saying. See, this is where people need to call you out. Like, everyone knows Little Tech has more streams than Drake. You're just, because that's your man's you think. Not as a fact. You just don't know Teca like that. You're right. You're 100% right. I'm not even arguing with you. You're right. I don't know. This has been on our list for like four episodes. And I've just been waiting for some like validation of this list. And at this point, it's like...

This is not real. It's okay, but we could talk about it and have fun with it, but that's not real. These numbers are absolutely bullshit. Speaking of Eminem, I did want to go back to a topic that we discussed when Animal Part 1 with J.I.D. and Eminem came out, and J.I.D. did his EPB before the album. Which I heard the album is great. I heard some people listen to it yesterday and said it was phenomenal. Everyone skipped past our point of there's no way you would keep Eminem off your album. We just skated past that. It's one of the craziest things over.

You have an Eminem feature and it's not on your album? We let that go and then I was at the playground with Amara and it just entered my head of how like absolutely insane. It's insane. Like I've lost sleep over it now. Yeah. I like I had to revisit. Trying to figure it out.

Like there's no way. Like I honestly think J.I.D. really got that Eminem feature and was like, all right, cool. Can't tell Eminem no. And called all his friends and said, I need to put an EP out in the next 24 hours. And I'm going to make it all features. He had to come up with something. Something to tell Ed to be like crazy. But see, that's what...

I think the strategy of this EP strictly came as a way to tell Paul Rosenberg, hey, we're just, we're going to use it as like the rollout rather than on the album. Yeah, but I don't like that. I actually respect it because that makes me think J.I.D.'s album is incredible. If you're so stuck to what your vision is for this project, that the number one streaming rapper you don't want on your project. Like, it just doesn't fit for what you're trying to do. But why can't we...

Because we can with other artists that were big at one point, get a feature for a while. You can't just like, nah, you know, we're not going, we're not going to use it. Like, why can't you, why can't you tell Eminem, y'all respect you, thank you for, you know, but it's not, it doesn't fit the album. Nobody's doing that. That's why I respect. But why. That's why I respect JID, even the route that he's going.

Because I think nine out of ten artists would just make it like a bonus track at the end or like, there's no way we're not putting an Eminem on my album. I'm super critical Eminem. Like, his recent stuff isn't really for me. I know this would never happen, but if Eminem was like, yo, I'm really into not me. Can I remix the record on your album?

Come on. Right. Of course you can. Yeah, I just think that, you know, so it happens, though. It's crazy to see it. But, you know, the verse doesn't really fit and it doesn't go.

It's not cohesive with my vision from my album. Then I think you should be able to be like, yo, M respectfully, you know, thank you, but it's not. I'm speculating and sorry to put this on push Miles and Farrell. I think when they got that, that Nas feature, they liked it, but we're like, damn, I don't know if this, like, really fits. Is it really, like, purposeful on the song? It doesn't fit.

And it doesn't, and they forced it because no one's telling Nas, you're not on my album. Yeah, but you. And M is in that same category. Like, there's no way you're telling that. So, I mean, I respect it, and it makes me more excited for the JID album. Well, we've got to see what he does. with it. But now after the album is not that dope and it's like, yo, you could have used that.

You could have used that. I need to know, like, when it comes out, I want you to tell me where in the sequence. You were thrown in. I got you. I'm let you know exactly where that song should have went. And if J.I.D. was tripping or not. But if he's playing the album, it must be soon. I have not seen a date, but maybe I'm out the loop. But I think I'm pretty on it with J.I.D. news. But I did see people tweeting that they'd heard it.

So I'm excited for that. But also in real rapdy-ty rap news, I completely checked out of the Joyner Skepter thing. I was scrolling through my timeline. I didn't even realize that that shit was still going on. Yeah. They're like in the thick of it right now. The way they was tweeting each other back of up,

I'm like, y'all, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I fell out of round one and a half I was doing it. They're round three now. Yeah, they're round three. I saw Joyner was listening to the Skepter, his latest shot. He was kind of listened to it on Twitter I saw, and he was going through the bars, and he was like, yo this is trash

this ain't it like he was going through the ball like oh y'all thought that had landed like that was one of those like he thought that punch line was it yeah it's just not it's just not you know it's not what you know

I think the beginning of it the talks of it it kind of sounded it seemed like it was you know gonna be big and gonna be something worth talking about but it's just it's not that yeah I don't really care anymore which is crazy because I'm contradicting myself

I said I will click anytime these guys go back and forth after round one and a half house. Cool, I'm cool guys. I think we just, again, it's the whole, you know. It didn't work. It's okay. Yeah, it didn't work.

And it's the whole, I guess, beef, beef rap thing is kind of, I think we kind of beef wrapped out right now. I think we kind of like, just get back to the music. You know, if you got something to say to somebody, you know, I love when they put it in music, but we don't have to set this battle stage. Like, I just think the setting the battle stage is kind of stale. Wait, can you go back to that, Josh? Did Joyner Lucas do his own poll, probably with his own followers?

I mean, at least he got the title of. the entire thing right. Ninety-six percent of people, nobody cares. Nobody cares. So at least it's like that was accurate in the entire thing. But shout out to join her and skeptical. Both great artists. I was excited, but I don't know. I'm sure other people continue to care. But in the be from of stopping the back and forth, Joey Badass went on, I wouldn't call it a rant because I don't like rants like that word when you're literally just explaining something. Yeah. Talked about his situation with Columbia Records. He said he'd already turned in his album

this should have done, mixed master's ready to go and Columbia is delaying it. He didn't say why, but he said it has nothing to do with samples, nothing to do with features. He turned in everything and they are still delaying the album, which I guess you would speculate to say

is they don't like it or they think he needs more of a rollout or a record or a video. They want him to start beefing with somebody? Well, Well, I mean, he explained in the video, he's like, if you've noticed since the top of the year, even before the beef, he's been on go-mo. He's been putting out freestyle, videos, shooting his own visuals.

Like, he seemed like he was ready to put this project out as soon as possible. And we assumed if he was doing this back and forth that an album will come right away. That, I don't know, it's been a month and a half more than that, maybe. That all died down. So it looks like, all right, maybe Joey's coming next year or something, because why wouldn't you put it out at that time? So I guess it's a Columbia Records thing. That's unfortunate, man, because Joey got a lot of steam right now. He's been whooping ass as far as his verses, his visuals.

He's been doing, like, great shit. And, yeah, the label should have absolutely been ready for this album to come out this week, like they said they would. So, you know, I mean, we know because we know the business and industry things happen. And sometimes, you know, the ball gets dropped. but coming off of the momentum that Joey was able to, you know, create and get going for himself, the label was absolutely supposed to hit this deadline. Well, what do you think it is? I don't know, man.

Do you think they straight up don't like the album? But sometimes I don't even know that's a label's business. Yeah. When you have a staff that's been cut in half, like, I don't even like, I can't see it being, I can't see it being they don't like the product. I can't see it being they don't like the product. I think somebody's playing the metrics game and, you know, he's caught in that little weird window right now where like probably in the last maybe month, maybe his metrics aren't like where they wanted them to be. Yeah, because I mean, if you're, I guess going from the label's point of view, which always has a lot to do with perception, because the beef died down and time has passed, if he does put a project out and it quote unquote,

Flops, that would fuck with his perception, I guess. And maybe they're viewing it from that way of like, hey, we need to get the buzz back up again and put out a record, a video, something to get this moving rather than just dropping your album at this point. But again, speculation, I have no idea.

But I also know Joey does have a fan base that will, you know, you can do post-promo. His fan base is going to show up the first week. No matter when, no matter when, Joey badass has his following. He has his fan base that are going to support no matter when the album drops, sometimes label,

this could just be the labels overthinking and overshooting something. Like, I don't think it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a,

it's a, it's a, it's a product or if the album sounds good. I don't think it's that. I just think the label's overthinking. And again, they're trying to play the numbers game with an artist that probably has never played

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There's no one excited. Do we erase everything, chances? ever done all of one project that people didn't like. I'm going to, I'm going to answer your question. Am I excited? No. Do we erase acid wrap? Do we erase surf?

Do we erase, you don't erase, you don't erase none of that. Just erase just all because of the clear CD about his wife. No, you don't erase none of that. It's all part of it. It's all part of his discography. You don't erase it. But I'm not excited. I'm going to listen to it.

Well, you don't get excited for anything. So that was the wrong question. No, I don't get excited for certain artists. Like, damn, okay, I'm really looking forward to him and his project or her project but chance is not one of those guys for me i'm not excited that he's been out now i'm going to listen to it i'm going to hear what he what he put together because he's a he's a cool artist i like him um but i'm not excited no i'm excited because he was at carnival you're not excited i am can i tell you why i'm excited yeah i'm literally like i can't even sit down i'm so excited

i want to cord this pod standing up it's only because you drink an espresso i couldn't even see how far i got and then i started getting the jitter that's why you got the jibs Got that fucking double shot in this. Chance espresso right there. All right, we saw Chance at Carnival, catching a dub. And then got divorced. Then got divorced. Last album was about his wife.

It's been six years. Since his divorce? No. Since he's put out, I love my wife's album. Got you. Now, he was doing that. I'm sure things were rocky before the divorce and he caught a dub. We discussed it.

That's the culture out there, chance to do anything wrong whatsoever. Remember, people. When the room, do is the room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, what do you? A culture vulture? Yeah. Go down there and not catch it up.

Exactly. So I got to know what his post-divorce behavior was. Because you know he went back to Trinidad. Oh, yeah. That's got to be the first three records. Back to Trinidad. I'm going, going back back to Trinney, Trinney. Please.

Hey, hey, Chad, sample that, man. And then track two sample, big pimping. Yeah. And reshoot it. We shoot the video at Carnival. Yeah. Fuck it. Not, I think we're going to get, uh, I think Chance heard what a lot of people thought about

his project and he's coming off to divorce. I'm not saying we're going to get like misogynistic music from Chance, but I think we're going to get, I think Chance, you can't get some shit. I think Chance's going to get, he can't change his content and being in there talking crazy about women. Doing that over a choir is hilarious. Yeah. You know that choir coming.

He can't be in front of the choir now that he got divorced. Why? Does God don't believe in divorce? Exactly. That's start there, till death do us part. So he went against all of that. You can't have a choir singing. It's blasphemy. It's blasphemy. Yeah, you can't do that. Remember when Carmelo was trying to divorce Tony? And he said, we don't do that. We're Catholic. Just murdered somebody. Like the scene before, Brian blood on his hand.

We do that, but we don't do this. We don't divorce. We are Catholics. You can't get divorced. Yeah, we don't divorce. not in this house we're not doing that um but yeah i i'm curious to see what chance talks about on this project of course i don't think it's before i don't think uh i want to hear i want to denounce christianity i still think it's going to be a lot of uh his sound and god stuff he might be the new mary jay going through heart break might give us his best shit okay you know mary going through something she gives us her her best her best work and what chance might be he might this might be his you know his not going to cry okay and was his wife a was it a volleyball player or basketball player

his wife i'm not sure i just feel like there's gonna be a lot of like volleyball metaphors and entangers throughout the whole thing we're going back and forth over the net literally no no yeah yeah literally like on the net you know that was actually fire i mean this is what i do you go this is what i do but yeah august 15th um i hope we puts a record out before just so um give us some idea of what this uh project is going to be like but i'd like to talk to chance yeah i think i think when it's supposed to come out the 15th august 15th yeah No single nothing? Two weeks.

And I know Chance, remember we sat with him at BET. He said he was getting into directing and I put out a few videos of his friends or whatever that he directed. So I'm sure we're going to get a lot of visual stuff on this probably within the next two weeks. I like Chance. I like I'm going to hear what he did. I want to hear what he's kind of. It's bold to not have a single out. Like nothing, no type of anything.

I get it. He has his following. But you can do the week of? Yeah, I guess. That's effective. at this point with people's attention spans yeah I guess yeah I guess I'm thinking maybe tonight maybe might drop something tonight I can see that but I'd like to sit with him just because I'm curious like where his head is at that's a crazy he's been six years like he's been

from the he saves golden child save somebody's life in a burning car I forgot all about that remember that remember what chance was was was he was Superman for the day yes and that's how cruel the internet was they saw that and was like but he he's married no married man is getting out of the car to help anybody technically that's cheating yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah he said it went from the

golden child to an album that nobody fucked with to a divorce like yes that's he's lived six six years yeah let's hear it man let's let's let's hear what chance had to do I want to say rest in peace to the Bobby

Altoff podcast she's still alive just to her podcast, she announced. Oh, Bobby is over? Right, right when we sat down to hit record, she announced that the podcast is now over. Really? Wow. I didn't know if it was like a troll, but it's on her actual YouTube page of the podcast saying this is the last episode.

Wow. She thought it was going to do better. It fell off a little bit. I mean, is she done podcasting or is she like just done with this podcast? It was vague because you know, you know Bobby's very cryptic. Yes, absolutely. She's one of the most cryptic that we were. She's like the Dilla of podcast

She never, you know Okay Sometimes it's offbeat but it's on beat You're like yo how do you how'd you do that Dilla This doesn't even make musical sense Of how good this is Yo, same Bobby Alta It's the Dilla of podcast

It's one of the craziest things I've ever That's like what everybody says Nobody has ever said that I'm just repeating what the internet says You're the only person on the planet that has ever said that Literally to the only person Is she the Tom Brady a podcast because she did lose her family for the shit.

She's not. No. Not even. She lost her whole family to Bob. Yeah. I don't know. She lost her family to the game. Yo, that is hilarious, man.

But then, Bobby had to run, though. She put some numbers on the board. We ain't going to act like she didn't put some numbers on the board now. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, she put some numbers up. She made me laugh on a few. But honestly, her numbers, like, aren't terrible. No.

Not at all. So, I mean, I guess, I guess when you're going, from Nick Cannon and then like the next week is Lil T.J. I can see where things are changing a bit. It's a little where we at. It's kind of, no disrespect to Lil T.J. But like it was Mark Cuban before that.

Lil T.J. being the last episode before you do, this is the last episode. I'm done podcasting. It's fucking crazy. That's just like, look at the mirror. Look in the mirror. Like, oh, come on. All right. It's like you didn't really go out like John Elway. Yeah, definitely not John Elway. But damn, man. Shout out to Bobby. Altaf, you know, good luck on whatever she decides to do.

I'm sure she'll, we'll see her somewhere else doing something else, maybe just as the end of just her podcasting. But she has a personality. She has a following, so I'm sure she'll do something. Yeah, I mean, you never know, man. This could be the retirement to go on to superstardom. Yeah. She'd be next Merrill Street.

You never know her. You never know her. Yeah. Never know what. All right, baby. D. What's so with your girl, Ari, man. What would I do?

Who'd she do? I've seen the discourse. The discourse. I've seen the discourse that she kind of, are you talking about Ari Lennox in reference to saying that the jokes about Pam were anti-black? Yes. Okay. I don't think that she's being overly sensitive. She's not the first person to ever say that.

That's like been a running like thing. That the reason why, in a lot of shows back in those days and some shows now that the sidekick is always a, dark-skinned woman and she catches a lot of jokes. Do I think that people always found Pam to be fine? Yes. But... Baby the Newsflash. Martin joked on everybody on that show.

For sure. For sure. Even his own girlfriend. For sure. What are we talking about? But what I'm saying is I don't want to make that an Ari thing because she's not the first person to ever bring that up. Okay, but she's the loudest person to bring it up.

Okay. Well, some people think that there are colorism conversations and little undersided jokes of like the sidekick, the light skin girl with the black sidekick and the black sidekick. Does colorism exist in television, film, Hollywood? Absolutely. Was Martin being a colorist towards Pam? He never mentioned her complexion one time on that show as a joke. It was always her hair. It was always referring to her as being manly. Can't find a man. Okay. So it was never because you're dark-skinned. Okay. So, Those are all stereotypes that are used with dark skin women. Being masculine, not being able to keep a man and being nappy-headed.

Those are anti-black tropes that are attributed to black to dark-to-dark and black women. He used to talk about Gina's Kitchen, too, and say her head was big. He said her head was because that's a trope against light-skinned women. Light-skinned women got big ass heads. That's a trope against light-skinned women, that they got big foreheads. So everything that's the moment you started naming those things, those are all anti-black women. anti-dark-skinned women sentiment. So he doesn't have to mention her color,

but those are all things that society has attributed to dark-skinned women. Are you seeing what I'm saying? So I do get that everybody knew Pam was fine. Like everybody, well, if you knew, you knew. But back in those days,

light-skinned women were heralded as the thing. Like, you need the light-skinned wife or the light-skinned girlfriend. And then you got the dark-skinned side chick, and I'm going to call her nappy-headed manly and say she can't keep a man. she's not pulling that out of her ass.

Like that's not something she pulled out of her ass. She's not the first person to say that. I can see both sides. What was the complexion of Ms. Claire Huxable on the Cosby show? She was brown skin. What was the complexion of fancy on Jamie Fox? Well, first of all, she, Claire Huxable is my color. She barely brown.

It's that barely brown color. Tashina Arnold is your complexion. No, she's not. Tashina is a little bit dark. Tashina Arnold is your complexion. She's a little bit darker than me. To Sheena Arnold is your complexion. Okay.

We can agree to disagree. I might be wrong. But, yeah. What I'm saying is brown skin women, the first mom and fresh prince was a brown skin woman. And they got rid of her and got replaced it with a light skin woman. Which was the craziest move. But I'm saying the original character was casted as a brown skin black woman. I'm just, again, this victim mentality thing, we got to move past it.

Because if we just look at the landscape, black women, brown skin women have been represented on every level for years. They have. Now, you can point out instances where maybe, and that's cool, but it's like, okay, but maybe just this actress was better than the brown skin actress. And that's why she was casted here. But that's not what happened with Fresh Prince and they all came out. I'm not saying, I'm not talking about Fresh Prince specific. I'm just saying the original mom in Fresh Prince was casted as a brown skin black woman. Correct.

So again, when they made the change, of course it was weird. We all recognized that. That was crazy. It was like, y'all couldn't even go cast another brown, like a brown skin, darker-skinned woman. Y'all got a lighter skin woman to not even try to like, you know, kind of fool us a little bit. Y'all just completely just made a shit. Okay, cool. But what I'm saying is brown-skinned women have always been represented in television.

When you go back to good times, all of these shows like, so my thing is, how do we get to a, first of all, a comedy. Number one, where jokes is going to be cracked. That's number one. Martin, it's not like Martin is a white man playing this role. He's cracking on his wife's best friend who's a brown skin woman. He's a black man, but he's cracking on everybody. Yes. All of his friends got it.

They all, anytime they walk through the door, it's jokes. We can't turn this into, yo, this was, it made me feel away. We all laughed. We all still laugh. Nobody, have you ever once you, I'm just talking about you, never mind with the internet understand. Have you ever once watched Martin and felt like what he said to Pam was inappropriate?

Not as far as being inappropriate, no, but I'm very aware of tropes against black women. We all are. I'm talking about this specific Martin the show with Martin and Pam's character, and Pam's character, Cassina Arnold's character, Pam. Did you ever

watch that and feel like, yo, he kind of going crazy on Pam? No. And it's only because she darkskinned. It's not about that. It's about he would the things that he said to Pam even if he wasn't in a if the actresses were switched and Gina was somehow the best friend

or that Gina had another light skin best friend the jokes would not have been that they were manly can't keep a man and nappy headed those would not have been the jokes they would have still got joked on but those wouldn't have been the jokes but he's made nappy headed jokes about Gina before I'm sure he might have said something about like oh like you need to straighten your hair or something like

something like that but even that in itself is anti-black just because he's saying it to but light-skinned woman is still anti-black. Like, making comments about black women's hair is anti-black. Now, I'm not vilifying Martin because we're much more aware of these things these days. But just because nobody was talking about it back then doesn't mean that people can't look back and peep it. We look back on old TV shows all the time and peep shit.

That was like, that was a little crazy. Doesn't mean anybody deserves to be canceled or anything like that. No, but Ari just came out and said that she felt some type of way about that because those are anti-black women tropes. there's nothing manly it makes sense if that's coming from somebody who's not a black man who we know loves black women but that's like saying black people

can't be colorist and that's not true because we're the worst at it white people look at all black white people is just you you a nigger light skin dark skin you a nigger I'm talking very specific to Martin Lawrence here because we know that he wrote on the show we know that a lot of it was improv

we know that a lot of it was him throwing his comedy into it so do we think that Martin Lawrence is a colorist? Because that's what we would be saying here. I think that throughout, I think that throughout the, it's not, I don't think it's as black as white, black and white as that. I think that colorism has been so embedded in our society that somebody might not be a bad person for having, for contributing stereotypes to different colors and different shades of black, because that's just

so embedded in our society. The same way that dark skin women are automatically labeled as aggressive, more aggressive and light skin women are labeled as softer. Even if no one says it out loud, this has been a societal thing for forever. It's embedded in society. It's an automatic thought. And unless you're super hyper aware of the things that you're thinking and the way that you're moving, you wouldn't even know because it's just always been like that. So I understand what Ari is saying.

I don't think it's specific to Martin and I didn't get offended by what was going on in I don't think nobody has ever got offended by that. But like I said, she's not the first person to bring that up. About Martin? There is nothing, there is nothing manly about Tashina Arnold. Nothing manly about her. That's why it's called a joke. Yeah, but this is the thing.

Why would that joke even be made? Because that's his best. That's his girlfriend's best. That's what you're supposed to do. If she was light skin, he would never have called her. All right. We're not doing that, but that's just what it is. No, that's not what it is.

Okay. That's what they're trying to make it. That's what Ari is trying to make it and paint it as. Okay. But that's not. what it is. We can agree. And that's what the victim mentality shit, it has to, we can't, we can't do that to Martin Lawrence and the legendary show that is Martin. We cannot do that because we know that that that's not what it was and that's not what it is. How do you know that? How do you know that?

DeMaris, we've watched this show. It's been syndicated reruns for years. It's on Netflix. Nobody has ever watched it and said, yo, I ain't going to lie. He's going crazy on Pam. And it's only because she brown skin. But that's because you weren't, you weren't really looking for it. And you wouldn't be the victim in that. Like, you wouldn't be the- That don't mean I can't see the victim and know that some colorism shit is going on because I'm not the victim?

But what I'm saying is that show came out years ago, Mom. First of all, we can end this conversation because we're not going to agree, and that's fine. But I just think that, like I said, nobody's calling Martin. I don't, well, I'm not calling Martin a bad person. I just think that, again, colorism is so embedded in our society to half the time. We don't even notice it when it pops up. And I also think that colorism.

is so embedded in our society that we call something colorism when it's not okay that's what I think but I think that is so embedded history black throughout history darker skin darker brown and darker skin women have been labeled as ugly as manly and aggressive and nappy headed those are all colorist tropes so if they pop up in jokes back in the day yeah the same way niggas used to call uh darker skin people african booty scratcher these things were real. Like this happened. But back in the day, we were not as sensitive to it.

But that doesn't make it like less real. Light skin girls have always been labeled as prettier and more attractive and softer. That's real. They have studies on shit like that. That is real. I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying here in this instance, it's not real. That's all I'm saying.

I'm not saying that it doesn't exist. So you think that Martin Lawrence in the 90s, in the 90s, you think that he was above being affected by. society's tropes. You think that he was just way beyond that. You don't think that society affected him and his writing at all. I'm not going to say it didn't affect... Or casting at all. No. I don't think of him, no. The same person... Well, first of all, Tashina Arnold

and Tisha Campbell are like best friends in real life. They've done multiple movies together. Yeah, of course. So, like, they were casted probably because they have a history. Like, I think they've all done movies before this together when they were all in the same movie. So do you think it's possible

that the same person that has a stereotypical trope on his show named Shennine, is that her name? You don't think that that person who created that character is capable of having a little bit of colorism in their jokes. Even if they're not doing it on purpose.

I'm not saying he's not capable of having colorism in his jokes. I'm saying I don't think that that was Martin's point and that was his thought process. Oh, I don't think so either. I don't think so either. So what are we talking about? No, because what I'm saying is it's embedded. Sometimes we do, sometimes we have stereotypes in our head that because we were raised on it, we don't even think about it. It's not us intentionally being racist or being colorist or anything. These are things that this was the way the world was when we were

raised. So there's some things we just don't think about. I don't think he was intentionally trying to be harmful because she was dark skin. I think those were automatically the jokes he went to because that's what people have always said about dark skin women. It's the easy, low-hanging fruit. That's what I'm saying. But again, we don't have to, we can agree or disagree. I understand people's point in saying that, you know, there can be a victim mentality with that.

And I also understand Ari's point because she's not the first dark-skinned girl to have ever said that. She's not the first person to bring up the fact that there was obviously a clear difference in between the light-skinned girl and the dark-skinned girl on that show. And also, I think if you ask the actors and the actresses, even though they're all cool with each other and the writers, I think they can understand where those tropes come from, too. Because I'm sure they've experienced that in Hollywood. I would love to hear from Tashina.

Arnold about this. Yeah, I would love to hear from her too. I doubt she'd speak on it, but she would speak on it. Why wouldn't she? I think she would put it to bed very quickly, like, no, that's not what the energy was. I never once felt like that. I think if DeCina Arnold felt like that slightly, that would have disappeared from me. But again, I don't think that he was doing it intentionally or whether he was or he wasn't. I'm saying if she felt like that at some point in the whole Martin world, she would have said something to the writer. She would have come out and said it. We would have heard her to talk about it. Now, that years past the show was over.

I'm sure she would have said something about it. And maybe she did. I could be ignorant and never saw her speak about it. But I'm just saying I've never seen it. I've never heard it. This is the first time I'm ever hearing anybody speak about their characters, dynamics, and saying, you know, bring the whole colorism thing. And, you know, the standard third, I just think that victim mentality is real.

Colorism is real. And I think we just got to find the spots where we know for sure that's what that is. But if it's not, which I don't think. Martin is. I don't think that was a colorism thing. I don't think that that was on his mind. I don't think that was a part of the energy of the show. I just think that was the best friend of my girlfriend. And, you know, you know how the relationships are with your girl, your best friend's boyfriend. It's like, he don't like you. You don't like him. You don't think he's good enough for your girl. He'd think that you're the single friend who would be trying to have

out in the face of other guys and think, it's that dynamic. You come in the crib. It's like, Yo, what's up? What you want? Like, I don't think it was because she was brown skin. Like, I just don't, I don't get that. Well, since Maher doesn't agree with me, white man, what do you think? I think Full House shows you that the nuclear family is whatever you make it. Oh, okay. And also, happy Gilmorest, too, is an incredible film and definitely needed a reboot.

Did you see it? Listen, I'm just trying to stay out of black people's business. I'm just doing my best. It was a test. It was a test. You're marrying my best. Your marriage through a grenade. There's no pin in it.

Right on your lap. And you're trying to figure out. I stay quiet for the whole segment. Yeah. You're trying to figure out of this. It's so good. Anyways, what's everyone watching? I did watch Happy Gilmore, too.

What do you think about it? It's not a cop-out answer. I didn't need it, but I didn't mind it. If it never existed, the world would remain the exact same. So it's not belly two. I have not seen belly two. You never saw belly two?

Oh. So it's not. Nothing was worse than when I brought up belly two as a joke with Chris Goddy. And he was like, yeah, I produced that. No one brought that up. I thought like, I even searched my Twitter to see if like anyone would catch like, because we didn't cut it out. Yeah.

So I was like, well, that was awkward. And even how I cleaned it up was kind of bad. I just, and that's my man's too. So I felt really awful. but um happy gilmore the first one is a classic for sure without a doubt it changed the world was one way yeah and the world was a different way after it came yeah i'm saying the the world did not change but i didn't mind it like it's a reboot of somebody that's in their 50s or something they did as a classic in their 30s i i liked it i thought it was cool i wasn't um like you said i wasn't like yes this is incredible i didn't feel like that

It was a cool movie. It was like a like a pan homage to the first one. There were a lot of callbacks. A lot of characters who were not in this one, but this is their son. Everybody's kid. Everybody's kid.

Yeah. So, you know, I like that aspect of it. Now, the elephant in the room, they threw some shots at our guys over at LiveGolf. That's what the whole, the whole premise of the whole thing was. Not exactly, but yeah. It was, what do you mean? Not exactly.

They almost, it was exactly, they just didn't say Live golf. But that's not what? live golf is exactly doing. I'm not saying that's what they're doing, but in, you know, if you ask the PGA, that's what live golf. For sure. If you ask the PGA, you're not wrong there. This is exactly what live golf is doing. Um, out the gate, because I went in with no expectations. I didn't want to come in like, uh, fuck, I'm going to be a hater or I can't wait. When he killed his wife off the drive, I said, oh, this may be one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. Like out the gate, you killed your wife. Yeah. That's how your wife died. Right. I thought it was going to be the funniest movie ever at that point. And

And then it just, it was cool. It was cool. It was cool. It was cool. Not mad at it. And we obviously love and support Adam Sandler. And it's okay to just like relax and watch stupid humor. Yeah.

But I did like the fact that, you know, in watching Happy Gilmore too, naturally I watched the first one. I had to go back to the first one. I was a little mad at Chubbs' son. Like they ain't have to make him like that. Like Chubbs was an upstanding. Just because he had a hand. Like he was relatively in shape for his age. Like he was a golf pro.

He just made his son just some fat piece of shit. I mean, that was half. The mini golf spot. Yeah. They didn't have to do that to him. No, listen, man. Yeah, that's his son. His son is not like that.

Or is it his son? Did you think that, uh, that Happy was going to bang, uh, the dance coach? Yes. Yeah, that, that, that, that's, they led you into that whole thing. And I was like, oh, this is going to be the new mom. Yeah, he's a changed man. And then they abandoned that storyline within five seconds. Yeah.

He's a changed man. Changed happy. I did enjoy it, though. Shout out to Adam Sandler again. Happy Gilmore is obviously a cult classic. And it was cool to see him do a second one and kind of have fun with the brand. So yeah, Happy Gilmore, too. That's the only movie, the new one I watched.

Where do we rank the Sixth Sense kid in Child Actors? The Sixth Sense Kid. Yeah, I see Dead People. He's like one of the most famous taglines in movie history. Okay. Where do we rank him on Child Actors? He keeps up, man, he's in the entourage movie. He's been in some shit.

He's no Barrymore. Well, I mean, come on. He's no Barrymore. She laid out Reese's pieces and had the most legendary career of all fucking time. But I think we need to put a little respect on his name. Because we've watched a lot of child actors, like, lose it. And he was a cute kid and didn't turn out to be a cute man. And he's still getting roles.

So, I mean. You don't think he's a unit? Not until they took his ligament out or whatever the fuck it so he could swing. I feel like if we doing like that type of ranking with child acting, Dakota Fanning spanking all these bitches. Yeah. Outside of Barrymore. Oh, all right.

I'm going to see. Outside of Barrymore. But Dakota Fanning. Wasn't she like the youngest person ever to ever win an Oscar or some shit like that? Like my bitch been spanking. And they called her, they boxed her in. She was the female I see dead people. And then she just went out the gate.

She went crazy. What was the first movie that made her famous again? Oh, God. It was the one with, um. She played a creepy kid for... With Leonardo de Cap, not Leonardo. Huh? Holy shit.

Oh, wow. Dakota Fanning is an I-M-Same. But what was the scary movie that, like, really put on the map? The one with Robert De Niro. Yeah. What the fuck was the name of that? That's why I remember her from. The one...

She was in Man on Fire. She was in everything. That's the girl that gets kidnapped and Man on Fire? Hyden Seek is what I'm talking about. And not only that. And she's an equalizer three with Denzel as the new agent, as the FBI agent. Look how that whole story. Oh, wow.

All right, hold on. That's what I'm saying? She may rival. Put some respect how my bitch, name. Like, she's crazy. Drew Barrymore is just extremely famous. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Is the co-defending? Because I'm old, but I don't think I'm that old. She's not the daughter from Mrs. Dalfoy, is she? No. Okay. All white people don't look like. Yeah, sure I do. Because I'm looking at that, like.

She wasn't Matilda either. That was Mara Wilson. Okay, Mara Wilson. Who was Matilda? Okay. I didn't even know. See, look at my brains. It's right there.

I'm just right there. You didn't even see. The way Braun is a hip-a-stop-storing. But you didn't even see I threw that off the glass. And then I said, Matilda, I didn't even look. Yeah, go get it. Go get a bucket. Come on.

This is what I do, man. I don't know. Dakota might be up there because to Demaris's point, yeah, Drewbert. She's famous. Like, you take out Charlie's Angels. See? All right. Well, take away Jordan's Freightaway.

My closet is 80%. if you take that out. Takeaway Jordan's fadeaway. My closet is 80% empty. All right. Dakota, man on fire. She's smoking child actor Drew Barrymore. It's not even close.

Even though E.T. is a classic. Dakota, the shit you're named. I forgot she was even in all of those movies. Yeah. That's like a Leonardo DiCaprio like dysography before you're even 15. Leo's the greatest child actor. Yeah, I mean. Leo and Drew Barrymore.

Yeah. Pick one. Yeah. I think we should be having the Dakota fanning Leo conversation. What's your favorite Drew Barrymore films after, like, she became an adult? Like, you love the one with Jimmy Fallon where they love the Red Sox? Not that one. I didn't love that.

I'm not with love that. They love that. Which, by the way, is a funny. Classic. Yeah, I'm not. Classic. First of all, I'm not mad at the Jimmy Fallon Red Sox movie either. He's just not that into you?

Wait. He wasn't even. even the lead in that. She's in it, though. It doesn't matter. Dakota is the lead. She's the lead girl that gets kidnapped every time. She was the lead. Denzel's the fucking lead.

Are you kidding me? But Denzel doesn't have purpose unless she's there. That's a fact. What about Jason Weaver? All right, now, baby D. That's my guy. And, Jason Weaver's my man. That's a huge supporter of this podcast.

And one of the number one recording artists when it comes to any animated movie on earth Jackson series on fucking VH1 Lion King Yeah but that's Smart guy Yeah

Desha Thia Thia You guys leave out ATL I'm fighting everybody ATL No I get it yeah Drumline

Yeah He got no listen he got Jason Weaver got some joints But those aren't Box office smashes. Those aren't like, you know, that's not man on fire. You know what surpasses Leo

E.T. The Red Sox, everything. He sang, I just can't wait to be king. Yeah, I'm just saying. He has, that's above everything we just named. The internet is saying,

you cannot make an argument. I just can't wait to be king. The original version was sung by Jason Weaver. That surpasses Wolf of Walters. street, it goes past everything. So the internet is saying that the most famous child actor, like if you were to think in your head, child actor, the first person that comes to your mind would be McCauley Culkin. He's the most famous child actor of all time. Not as an adult, but as a child, if you line the children up, McCauley Colton is the most famous child actor

of all time. For sure. Yeah, the home alone brand alone is. I mean, they had a video game. And then they say the second one would be Daniel Radcliffe, who is who played Harry Potter. That's seven, that's eight bangers. Eight bangers in a row. Yeah, but what has he done outside of the Harry Potter brand? It don't matter. That's eight bangers than a row. If I saw a homie and peeky blinders, I wouldn't be like, yo, that's Harry Potter.

I wouldn't, you know what I'm saying? Hasn't he tried another movie or two? I feel like I've seen him pop up, but it just was like, yeah, why they put Harry Potter in the movie? He plays like, he plays a lot of like, I feel like I've seen him as like an agent. Now you see me, now you don't. He was in that. He was in that.

What's so fucked up about Harry Potter and the typecast shit? we were talking about, oh boy from Get Him to the Greek. Remember Malfoy's only role after that? It was in Get Him to the Greek. And they were like, yo, let's go play some Quidditch. And he's like, dude, we're at the club.

Like, I'm a real person. Dude, we're at the club. It's funny as fuck. He's like, I'm not that actor. Apparently, oh, he was in the woman in black, too. I remember the woman in black. Which one was that? The woman in black.

it was like a scary movie. It came out in 2012. You want to give me like the premise of the moment? I don't really exactly remember what. She's going to tell me a movie came out on October once. I was like, yeah, no, I remember. Basically, in a village. Baby D, all right.

We're not doing this. We're not doing it in a village. I knew what movie she was talking about right away. In a village. A young solicitor travels to a remote village told you where he discovered. that the vengeful ghost of a scorned woman is terrorizing the locals. Oh yeah,

everyone remembers that. A vengeful ghost of us. Yeah, nah, I didn't see that one. I remember. I saw it just because he was in it, but I can't remember it, which means it probably wasn't good, but. Listen, I would take that career.

I mean, Robert Downey? I'd never see him as a kid. What? He would be, he would 1,000% in this conversation. Yeah. Robert Downey Jr. Pull it up.

As a kid? Yeah, he started up. Just pull up Robert Downey Jr. He's Iron Man to me. I don't know what the fuck was. Outsiders was like his 15th movie at that time. Pull up Robert Downey Jr., yo, because I don't think y'all really like.

Wow. I didn't know he had been in the game that long. I don't actually think he was the only non-A-list actor that was an outsider. Yo, you kidding me? Ah, that's interesting. Weird science. Y'all wasn't there.

Y'all too young for that. Yeah, I don't think I was born. What year was that? back to school yeah this is my mom literally every actor that you saw like have a cocaine addiction

for real publicly was a child actor before chaplain did nah I ain't gonna lie Robert Downey Jr. Because he'd go back to the early 80s it was a super underrated movie the judge with Robert Downey Jr. Yeah like really underrated movie that was that was a good movie

like that should have got awards type shit it didn't I don't think so but that movie He's incredible. Maul, what are you currently watching? So I did. I've seen Happy Gilmore, too. I watched that.

I'm still watching Baddies. Baby, D, you got to catch up. It's lit. I would have to start from season. It's lit. Summer is back. She got right back to the bullshit. Jamaris, I promise you could start

any episode you want. Summer came back in the house on bullshit. She back in. She's squaring up with anybody. It's lit. Come on. It's all good. They're still in Africa.

Johannesburg. Tune in, Baby, D. But I've been watching that. Um, I got to see Superman. Oh, I got to stick that too. Every review has been horrible. Like, I wouldn't. Yeah, but people hated the last Batman and I thought that shit was dope.

That shit was sleepy as fuck. I don't know if I saw the last Batman. That shit was so sleep. When was the last Batman? It was with, um, the dude from Twilight. You don't remember, you? Robert Pattinson. You didn't like, you didn't like the last Batman impeach?

That shit was dope. Like, and that got bad review. People wasn't really, everybody went to boom pow and all that shit and bad. That ain't, I'm not in his. Give me a story and give me good acting. It don't necessarily have to be fight scenes and show me. I didn't see this bad, man. Superman gets his ass whoop the whole time, so you're like.

But I want to see that. I'm at the seventh episode of the most current season of the bear. I don't want to disappoint you, Demeris. It's ass? No, it's not ass. It's just like weirdly emotional. It was emotional, like. I know, but you're going to understand what I'm saying when you watch it.

every season's been emotional. This one is just like kind of you know that one friend that only like brings up therapy topics and it's like do you even like get into your own emotions

or you just repeat what therapy says to you? Yeah. It's just like that it's odd. It's fucking weird. It's not the emotion that the chaotic emotion that was once there

that I loved in that show is it's just did they get new writers? Like it feels like a chat GBT version of give me emotion in a script. It's just weird. And then they're like, homie goes to the fucking wedding of his ex-wife to make his daughter. It just,

it was such like an obvious script where the bear never gave me obvious. Okay. It's just, yeah, of course everyone's going to get to the wedding. And he's going to find out that the, husband. The new husband's actually a good guy. And we can figure this out together. It's like, this is not the show. No, somebody drive a car into the fucking house and show what real life is like. Because he wouldn't have been cool with that wedding. Okay. I'm going to have to check it out.

I'm going to get to it. What are you watching? It's worth watching. I'm just saying, you're going to be disappointed based off how much we've loved the first three seasons. Okay. This season is just too like, it's like a soap. It's like a daytime soap opera. Ah, okay. I'm interested. I'll see.

I'll check it out. See if I agree with you. Mall, you ask me what I'm watching. Currently, I am watching in just like that, which is the Sex and the City reboot, um,

update. Carrie is still a terrible person. And then- How is Carrie now? Carrie's in her 50s, going into 60s? So it's okay to say she's the problem, right? Well,

her husband died. On the Peloton. You know what a stock went after? that. You know, y'all don't remember what Peloton Stock went after that? I remember. The company almost folded because of that episode. That's a fact.

They had to put him in a commercial. Yeah, saying like, yo, listen, like, it's not like, it's okay. Like, yeah, that was like a real thing. Like, Peloton stock went down crazy after that end. Do you think they cleared that? Like, they had to, or they would have sued, right? I don't know if it's, no, I don't think you can. Yeah, I don't really think you can.

Because they don't even let us wear logos in fucking photo shoots and we're Z-list celebrities. HBO, baby, HBO had like you're not going to say, you're not going to say, well, in the beginning, like I'm sure they didn't know that he was going to die. But in the beginning, if HBO says I want to license this fucking logo or license this brand, Pelotan isn't going to be like, no, HBO, don't give us free advertising. I'm sure they didn't know that the script was going to end up killing him. All right. From before time, it was, all right, so what are you using it at? Like, where's our logo used? How is it?

I doubt they have. So it says in sex- They won't 1,000% as to. In Sexing the City reboot, and just like that, a character dies after using a Peloton bike, leading to a significant drop in Peloton stock price and prompting the company to release a statement defending its product. While Peloton did not pursue legal action against HBO or the show's producers, they did release a commercial featuring Chris Knoth, who plays a deceased character, and Peloton instructed Jess King seemingly in response to the negative betrayal.

Okay. So they tried to sue. the compromise was, all right, this will be a great commercial that will help you rather than get some money. We'll spend it, yeah. First of all, I've told you guys, I've not watched Sex and the City. So how did he die on a Peloton? So he was working out at home. He was on a Peloton.

He had a heart attack? He got off and then, you know, I think he was getting the shower or something. He had a heart attack. Okay. Yeah. So it wasn't like he was on the Peloton and full holding the Peloton. Like he didn't have the heart attack on the Peloton. But surely after he got off the Peloton, he had a heart attack.

And he had already had heart problems. Gotcha. Yeah. So, but Peloton just was kind of like, you know, the Easter egg and that whole thing. Yeah, they got him out. Peloton will kill you. First episode. We're going to get sued and we can't be in a commercial.

No, I didn't say, I'm just saying that's the, you know, the energy that came from that. But yeah, so I'm watching that and I am just realizing some things about like, just dating just don't get easier. Like, God, damn. Like, after your first husband died and she go back to her ex, she spun a block, you know, Carrie. My bitch, spun the bloat. to the niggas she originally was with before she cheated on that nigger with her husband that

died. So she went back to him and now she mad at him because he thinks she's sleeping with the neighbor or he's suspicious to the neighbor. And she's like, why don't you trust me? And he's like, I don't fucking trust you. Like, you cheated on me before. And she's like, that was like 20 years ago. Like, get over it. Which I see both sides. But yeah, that's what I'm watching right now. I'm watching that. And I'm rewatching Succession with someone who has never seen Succession. So we're watching it for the, I'm watching it with them for. the first time. Succession is dope.

Yeah. I still think that Shiv. I'm also watching Mobb Land. I don't know if you've got into Mobb Land yet. No, I haven't. I told you I was going to put that on my cue. Succession may land in my top 20 TV shows of all time.

Same. It might land in my top ten. Top ten? It might land in my top ten. Not including sitcoms. I know we've been through this argument before. Yeah. TV series.

Drama. Yeah. Dramas. It's no fully. It's snowfall in your top 10? It's snowfall in your top. Did you watch snowfall? I did.

Remember, you walked me through it. Did you watch it? Did you finish it? I finished it. Mm-hmm. Is that in your top 10? No, but I don't like... It might be top 25.

Again, don't quote me because I'd have to like really think about it. Maybe top 25. I, so listen, I enjoyed snowfall for what it was, but for it to be in my top and my favorite, I don't like shows about drugs and killing and that type of shit. That's not my type of show. I don't like that. You're from... Syracuse.

Exactly. So I don't want to watch what I grew up around on TV. Snowfall was probably shot and produced in Syracuse. But that's exactly what I was saying. So to me, TV is an escape. So I don't want to watch TV that mirror shit I saw growing up. It makes me very uncomfortable. I'd rather watch rich white drama.

That's my favorite type of show. Oh, you like to watch and see how poor you really are. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. Yeah, I like to escape. from being poor. No, I like to watch shows and see if the whites got my culture figured out. That's what I like.

Who do you think was, who do you think in the TV world was responsible for more death? The Roy family from Succession or any character in Snowfall period. Oh, just because they're billionaires, woo hoop. Who hoop. Not many people that killed. Yeah. The centuries of that family. Yeah, it's like it's different, but it's not.

Not really that different. Succession and snowfalls. No, they're different. I'm saying the people in succession murdered way more people. 100%. That crack rock. I don't know. That crack rock spread. Who do you think funded it? DeRoy family. Shut up, stupid. I mean, there's something we talked about there. You could tie it in. But yeah. I'm rewatching that. It's such a fucking amazingly written show. And I like, I like the humor in that show.

I don't like humor in a lot of shows because I don't like overly done humor. I like, like, sarcastic. humor that you kind of like got to pay attention to to catch it or like just like a zoom in on a face like even if like you have to watch that show to catch like certain little nuances and things like that like how they shot it was brilliant i mean yeah succession i liked the ending of succession same way i like the ending of the sopranos i like endings that make me five years later wake up in my sleep and like wonder what those characters are doing yeah Whereas like Breaking Bad had the best sewn up ending ever probably. You got closure with every character and knew exactly what was going to happen.

I'm fine with that. I really like I've walked down like downtown in the Wall Street area. What's the son? Oldest son. Kendall. Like I've tried to find the bench that Kendall was at to like see if he was still there. Like I want to know where cousin Greg and I go to the. the same spots. Like, where are you at?

I need to know what's going on. He owns a bar somewhere around me. Yeah, I heard he's handsy. Allegedly. In real life? Yeah. Oh, that's unfortunate. Yeah. So we got to start watching Succession now? This was after the show was done. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he ain't get Hansy, so.

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You know what else I'm watching? What? So I was watching Atlanta Dream and the Golden State Valkyrie's place. And, um, you was at the game or you was watching? No, I was watching it. Okay. And just curious. To my surprise and everyone else's, the game was stopped because someone

was doing an object on the floor. Now, did you match purposely to the dildo? Absolutely. Okay. This is a Dildo Pride day. That's scary. By the way, if you was wondering, that's good. That's why I asked if he was at the game.

So, so. So. If you were wondering that's game. And NBA games is not uncommon. Somebody throws stuff on the floor. Or there's a bottle cap, cup, whatever, jersey, you know, fans get upset, end up those shit on the court. The other night, between, you know, Gold Estate and Atlanta, the NBA game, for the first time ever, something flew on the court that I, that none of them are interested in. To my belief, I don't think anybody threw that on the court.

I think somebody forgot they had it on. and it was here. I think somebody had it on and forgot to take it off in the locker room. No, I feel like it would have been some I think that fell out of the shorts. I'm thinking that fell out the shorts. How deep of the pockets?

Shut up, ma. Because there's no, there would just be some type of strap, but like, how do you get a dildo into a game? That's mad easy. They're not checking for it. Put it in your pussy.

It's not metal. Baby D. It's not a hammer. It's not a real hammer, bro. It's not metal. Baby D. if you're telling me that you think that somebody had that dildo inserted in them and pulled it out and threw it on the court no i'm i'm saying that that's a possibility you asked how it could

got it could have wore it as a strap on it's not metal it's not what i just said i said it was one of the players had it on no she forgot no she forgot they're being an asshole one of the people who came to the game probably had it on okay but none of the players had it all in no world could none of the players have Matt and all. I need you to break down to me how somebody could forget that they have a strap on. So that would mean she's naked with a strap on on. And then she would be getting dressed to go to the arena. And as she's pulling up her pants,

she would forget that there was a dildo attached to her vagina. And then take her pants off and put on her shorts where the dildo is hanging out the side of the leg now. And she forgot. And then play basketball. Dildo dangling. Yeah, y'all don't see it? No.

And by the way, I would assume somebody would be at her house that she had this strap on on four. That wouldn't be like, hey, just a reminder, you still have that on. It's a tie game with 50 seconds left ago. A tie game with 50 seconds left and Dildo's still on. I don't think you're as crazy as D'Maris for saying because I was going to say someone could easily sneak that in because it's not metal. You could put it in your pockets, your bag, or whatever. Demaris thought somebody would instead insert it in. beside themselves and then walk through a metal detector.

She thought somebody boof the dildo. Both the y'all are fucking crazy. She thought somebody boof the dildo to the game? That's craziness. Again, by definition, what you do with the dildo is boof it. And then my thing is, that's purpose. My thing is, who threw it on the court? Because what are you mad at?

A man, a man definitely brought that and threw that on the court. That's a man thing. A woman did not do that. A man did that. A man did that. That is man shit. That's a man type of joke. Now, DeMaris, when a video come out of a woman hurling that shit on the court, I want you to have that same energy.

A woman, you really, listen, I'm not saying this impossible. What I'm saying is, more likely, who do you think finds, definitely did that shit? And I think are women, if they identify as it, but a woman did that shit. That is white boy humor. Throwing a dildo on the core of a WMBA game, that is white boy humor. That's humor. That's not, not throwing no strap.

Like, using a strap, bro. I don't know how expensive goods. straps are they not just throwing out the dildo bro and it's lime green that is white boy humor bro shit not even skin color that's wild color like that's white boy humor bro we know who did that they threw all shoe on the court like a 20 year old frat boy did that shit i just think that it's you know the dub i've been in the sex store i've never seen a lime green dodo like that now did the wmba release a statement in regards to this all right how would the statement go pige that's what i'm I'm asking. I don't know how I would go. I just want to know. All right. You know what? Let's go back to our

chat GBT segment. In hockey, they throw the hats on the ice like that's for a hat trick. For a hat trick. Okay. Does someone get a double double or like? Pete's, look out Pete's trying to tie. Somebody in hockey, they throw the hats on the on the ice for a hat trick. What move did somebody do for them to be like, yo, yes, it's build though time. Tie game, you take the strap on. And there was a double side. a dildo, I would think a double double. But I don't, yeah, yeah, like that, I'm not sure with just the regular. Yeah, what's this, Demaris, what is the significance in throwing a dildo?

How do you've used dildos before. Okay. This is your culture. She's mad at me because this is her culture. This is your culture. Yeah, this is your culture, Damaris. You used the dildo before. What is there any significance?

I've never told you that, that is there any significance in throwing a dildo? No, there's no, that's never been done before. So I've never seen a dildo. So we're, so we're, so we're at new tildo. territory with this thing. Yes. That's why I said that that. We just, I'm listening. We're learning. We're learning together. I'm just trying to learn. Also, no, we get our jokes off. So let's get our jokes off.

Also what? No, go ahead. I think that that's mad disrespectful. But let's get our, like, we're getting jokes off. You think that's disrespectful? You think that's disrespectful? I, but why do you think that's because they wouldn't throw a dildo at a male basketball game. They did that like, because female basketball players are always, like, heralded as lesbians. Like, that's, Heralded I'm not. They're always heralded as lesbians.

Okay, this is chat, GBT, this is not me. This is what the president of the WMBA would say as a statement for the dildo being thrown. While we appreciate the passion of our fans, that's not hilarious to anyone.

We appreciate the passion of our fans. This is in regards to a dildo being thrown onto the court. Yeah. While we appreciate the passion, of our fans, we ask that they show their support in ways that don't involve adult novelty items on the hardwood. The safety of our players and the integrity of the game comes first, and this isn't that kind of arena. Well, I love this quote. For some reason, it seems to be a

tradition of sorts to throw dildos onto the field during Buffalo Bills games, as that's what happened at least three times since 2016. So we're missing out on this something. There's a tie-in with dildo in sports. Clearly. Because see DeMaris to you, they threw a dildo on the football field. Okay. So your theory,

we got you out of here, smoked your theory, gone. Yeah, they've been doing it. See, Buffalo bills are like, yo,

y'all late. We've been getting Dildo's thrown on our court. Y'all late to the Dildo game. I actually think you're supporting her thoughts of this being some white boys shit. No, no,

I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know, Rob Gron Crouchy's from Buffalo. No, no, no, I'm just saying that she's saying because they wouldn't do that

if it was men. they wouldn't have threw that. Oh. And I'm saying they do that at Buffalo Bills game. So her theory of they wouldn't do it to men is debunk. It's funny at the WMBA. I think it's wild gay that a bunch of straight men bought dildos to throw them at the Buffalo Bills game.

Me too. That's some gay ass shit. Me too. Maybe somebody in the crowd was attracted to one of the women on the WMBA floor and he probably got his number on the end of the dildo and was like, you thinking it would land in front of him. Dildos be heavy too. I was like, that would probably hurt, no?

Like it ain't hit nobody. You were asking me if a dildo were hurt? I don't know. You think I've held a dildo before? No, I don't think that. Okay. So why you look up at that you're an adult that's lived for a while that understands like, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Say that again?

You never picked one up to see what it will weigh? Demaris, you think in my lifetime I've picked a dildo up before? Like, you've been to a sex toy store when a woman? Yeah, but they're usually in the plastic. No, no, hold on. Correct. Keep going. So you never was like, oh, damn, it's like this one, like, this big.

Like, you never. See, no, because Damaris would be wanting me. She want me to get canceled. She want me to curse her out on camera so she could try to take me to court. I'm not doing that. No, Demaris. I've never done that. Do you think that mall when he went to the sex shop was shopping for dildos with that woman?

Oh, yeah. It is mall. We just went to get, she wanted a fish in that body suit. Oh, my God. Y'all, let me tell y'all how I tried this a sexual enhancement pill. I should have saved this for Patreon, actually. So what happened? Peach, please don't.

Wait, that's the one. Your clip blew up like a, like a knuckle? wait that's the ones that you insert in no no no sorry h into your vagina no it's gummy they're gummies they're called um boner bears all right all right all right all right hold on see see if i came in here and landed on boner bears y'all would look at me look at out that's genius bonar bears is fucking genius

I swear to god they're called bummer bears like gummy bears boner bears are genius that's for the so de marries what you took a mailman a hands pitiful. Well, I was at a sex toy shop and we were, we were shopping for like the, like, you know, like the little card thing. Go to the two bears just laying on each other. To the left, Josh. I love it. I love that they're vegan. They, they specified that. Yeah. No bears were hurt. No bears were harmed in the making of bear boners. Boner bears, but yeah. Boner bears. We were going to like find like the little couple card games that like you get to know each other and shit like

that. And we saw, um, who are you with? Jesus. Okay. Mm-hmm. And we saw honey packs. And we were just talking like, we were talking to the lady that works and we were like, what does that really do? Like those don't really work. And Jesus turned the honey packs into Bonner Bear. Into wine, actually. Jesus saw that honey. He walked on loop.

He slipped on. What would Damaris be doing when she's not in the office? See, this is why I got to start calling y'all on the week and see what the fuck y'all be on, man. Like, Damaris is behind boner bears. Like, what did she do? What the fuck do you all go to SummerSlam on Saturday? Yo. Bring the pack.

No, that was, they were in. I used all of them. They were not in my house. But. All right. So you took a male enhancement, boner, uh, bear boner bear? Yeah. You supposed to take like two or three of them.

Women? Men are not women. It doesn't matter. The girl. So the reason why we- All right. So you took it. What happened?

The reason why we grabbed that is because the girl at the counter. She was like, no. some of them do work, she said, here, I've taken these, you guys should try these ones. Okay, so you took that. So what happened now? We had a great night. Nothing. No, it's not nothing. They work. They make your, they increase your libido. It could have been a placebo effect, but they increase your libido. They make you even more

hornier than usual and make you be able to last longer horny-wise. Like the horny doesn't really subside. Man, they're not row sparks. Those might be robert. We need some row bears Have you ever taken your girl's macaroot before? I've taken macaroot. I don't know about a girl's macarroot. Yeah, macarot isn't just for women. No, I know, but.

No, I should. Sorry. That's the one. Macalroot? It's real, yeah. Macarroot is great for you. Can't take that. You should, you should have that part of your.

It's incredible. That should be part of your weekly routine, for sure, absolutely. I was looking at the male man crazy off the mackaroo. When I was soap. It does it to both genders. I'll tell you, I'll be taking macaro and get mad on the eat out of nowhere. That shit is like the most natural shit. Yeah, but look what baby D.B. doing, though.

Like, y'all not, y'all missing the wrong. And macaroo get girls thick in the right ways. Well, thick, however women want to be sick. That's just potatoes and shit. So I thought, Demaris, you were talking about the shit that you insert inside women's vaginas. God, no. Because I did that one time, seven years ago. Four score seven years ago.

If they were. weren't doing like a influencer packages because that that's why we did it. She was an influencer in that world and she was like they sent me this product to try it and I was like well let's try it. You know because she had the same way when you know we put ads out we have to try the product first before we talked about it. Like when they sent us all them doodles and roses and shit I took some home. Yeah. So I inserted that shit in her vagina in like the beginning of the day. We went about our day. We didn't make it till like 11 a.m. before this bitch

was like tugging on my fucking shirt to go fuck. Well look at you. Come on. No, no, no. It was not me. She wasn't. We had hung out mad times before that. I'm telling you it was the product. I'm telling you it was the product. It wasn't. I've never met a more horny woman in my fucking life. Until that was inserted in there.

That shit went all the way to anal and I was like, what are we doing here? Listen, man, having a great time. You would have turned into a whole new human being off. Shout out to the bed bones out there. Well, that wasn't bareboner. Oh, okay. I'm sorry.

Yeah, that should be, I'm telling you. You shouldn't insert a gummy into a woman's vagina. So, Demaris, we didn't find out exactly what happened. I'm just thought it just makes you, it just makes you very, uh, warm, veril. Veral. Ooh, I like that word. Veral and feral. Yeah, for real.

Made you very verily. You just couldn't wait. You started in the car. Well, it was a 45 minute drive because it takes you every, it takes you 45 minutes. Oh, you was in there going crazy. on yourself. Can you please relax? Baby Dee was in traffic going great.

Can you please? Can you please relax, please? No, he was telling you to relax. Yeah, I'm chilling. But I know you was in that car for 45 minutes off the bed bono. Nah, that foot definitely ended up on the console. That leg ended up on the console, baby Dee. We're not doing that.

I know exactly what type of time he was in traffic. Relax. It's all good, though. You my nigga. I ain't tripping. It's all good. Do we have any voicemails? You've got mail.

This episode of voicemails is sponsored by boost. Of course it is. Whoever threw that dildo was on the bear. Hey, y'all just wanted to call and update you about the guy and I'm dating. Find out his son isn't his. First of all, it's set to record straight. And you know what? Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Stop, stop. Stop, stop, stop. Stop, stop. Stop, stop. Stop, stop. All right. Slow down. Let's get a backstory to this entire thing.

The guy called about this, right? No, she did. She called. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. The piece of shit. Yeah, all right, cool, cool, cool.

So now the son he is. Remember, I told you. What did the son of his? Y'all? Okay, so the son is. Yeah, and she wanted him to get over that shit. All right, cool, cool, cool, yeah. I remember she was an asshole.

Let's start. Hey, y'all. Just wanted to call and update you about the guy that I'm dating. He found out his son isn't his. First of all, it's set the record straight. And you know what? this one pissed me off. I've called in before.

Every time I call in, Mom, and Mom agree with me, Rory gets a shit to say. Rory, motherfucker. I said that I am trying to be supported. And like the Mary said, I'm not showing him that I don't give a fuck. It's not my fucking baby.

I can only care so much, bro. Like, I get it. It's fucked up. I said it many times it's fucked up. Anyway, okay, so I initiated a conversation with him. I really just only talked to him when he wants to talk about it, but I initiated a conversation and just kind of ask him about it

because he was hanging out with his family and shit and like he just you know that was with the kids and shit we know you have kids and it's like

mom you don't got no you don't know what I got to get um so he was he said that he feels supported by me and really my question

was like how long do I expect it to last and I didn't even feel right asking him that so that's why I asked y'all then y'all didn't give me no fucking answer

but no like he said he's good, but I don't really feel like he good for him. I'm not going to lie. Like, I mean, it seems like he getting better. I will say that. But I just want to kind of, you know what I'm saying? I just want to know what, how to navigate that shit because I ain't never been in no

situation like this. And I fuck, dude. Like, I ain't going to lie. So trying to support this black man through this tough time. But damn. Okay. So, because you didn't agree with her. And she was like, she's trying to talk directly to you.

Thank you for confirming what I said before. he should run for the hills. He should not. No. She's having normal feelings. She's having normal feelings. She said that she doesn't express it to him. She's funny and shit though.

She's trying to be supportive. She's hilarious. I'm sort of being a dick. She's trying to be supportive. But she's like, yo, like, you know. Just even when he was around other kids, fuck them kids. That's not what she said. What she was saying was, damn, now you ain't the only one without a kid.

Now you're the only one without a kid that's fucked up. That's what she was saying. She's having normal thoughts. and I'm glad she's not saying them to him. But I don't know if that's the person that he needs to be around if she's thinking that already. She's not wrong. Listen.

If I was in that situation too, I'd be like, all right, I think, I mean, that'd be odd. But if a woman found out that that kid wasn't hers. But I'd probably be relieved too.

That'd be a weird reverse. How? I don't know. How does that woman know? I don't know. I don't know if this is your kid. Did you birth this child or not? Yeah.

Hypothetical. Yeah. I'd probably be relieved. Like, okay, I want to be this person. This is a little bit more helpful. Now we can, like, actually start a family ourselves. Yeah. And, you know, whatever.

But if you want that type of energy, what he's going through, if you care for him, I would leave him alone. I mean, she's being supportive, you know, is not the most important one if somebody is going through that. But she's being supportive. She's just like, yo, what's... She hasn't explained how she's... When we're wrapping this up. Just being quiet? No, she said, well, she's not.

She's like, yo, she cares about him. You know what I'm saying? She just like, yo, she sees that he is getting better, though. Like, he's, he's starting to get over it. His feelings are, you know. That's not what she said. She said he's, he's getting better. He looked like he feels like he's getting, he's doing better with it.

That's how men cry in silence. Yeah, but you don't know this, man. I know men. And we cry in silence. Pause. Yeah, okay. All right. I see, all right.

You crying in silence with other men? Well, just, yo. Just. We just, we all sit in a circle and just go. No, everybody's crying in silence. Just keep being supportive to you, man. Keep being, I don't blame me for your feelings. Just keep being supportive.

Support your man. I was she supporting, though. Honestly, get that nigga a baby. Like, if you really want him to get over it, give him a baby. I mean, I mean. You could tell he a good dad already. He doesn't prove that he a good dad. Get that nigga a baby.

So he could stop talking about the last. You're like one of those people. when the dog gets ran over, it's like, let's just buy another, the same breed. But this time we won't, we will adopt. We won't buy from a breeder. And we'll go to a less busy street. Yeah, yeah. We'll adopt.

We won't buy from a breeder. Yeah, no, I think that D'Maris makes, that's a good point. Give him a baby. Yeah. Yeah, no, yeah. I think that's exactly what his broken heart needs right now. I'm just saying he feels like, he seems like he wants a baby. Get over something is to get up underneath something new.

Like, yeah, I love that. No, no, I'm not saying don't fuck through the pain. Hold on, hold on, hold on, Roy, I got this. Y'all love that one. Why that's y'all, like, y'all go to? That's y'all go to, too. No, it ain't. Yes, it is.

No, it's not. We'd be, we'd be crying. We'd be fucked up about. Y'all be crying in another bitch pussy. Yeah, I don't cry in some pussy before. Exactly. That's, we cry in silence as men, but in pussy. Oh, it's out loud.

Tears. Yeah. Y'all cry in silence, but y'all don't cry alone. I'm with fucking through the pain. Your head out of another bitch shoulder or tities, whichever one. But I'm just saying as a man that just, I believe it was four years old, if I remember correct, when he found out. Yeah. And I'm shocked. This is Demaris's thoughts at this point because you said, how could you not think that's your child no matter what you had formed a bond?

So you think a woman that had called into a podcast to say, yo, when's this guy going to get over this traumatic experience within two weeks? Should then give him a baby because he's going to be so trusting that that's his kid. Yeah, no, I think that's the best advice. Let's ruin this man's life even more. How was that? It won't ruin his life. You think this man trusts if a pregnancy test pops up, you think this man is in the right state of mind to think that any pregnancy test would be true.

But she knows. He probably thought the same thing about the other girl. But what I'm saying is... He stayed there for four years. She will... It won't take five... Well, now he knows better, so he won't take four or five years to get a fucking pregnancy test.

He's going to test that baby at birth. And then it's his. And then he's happy. He's overjured. enjoyed and he's cool. Is he still going to miss the other baby? Yeah, but not as much. I'm sure those doctor visits are going to be so pleasant for nine months when you don't know if it's your baby or not. I'm sure that's going to be the greatest prenatal experience. Okay. I'm saying leave that man alone. He needs time. Okay. Don't get pregnant by.

Should we take it to the Zoom Zoom? No. I think so. I feel like we already have the everything, all the information we need. I feel like Zoom. No, that's not true because we don't know how she supports him. She just says I support him. What's the fuck that mean? She says she listens to him.

Yo, they be thinking that's the support, don't they? So how the fuck I'm supposed? Women are insane. You don't want me to give you another baby. You don't want me to listen to you. What the fuck do you want? What do you want in terms of support?

Don't say mouth, mall. No, I don't want that. Well, it is helpful. It helps. It does. It does like make things a little bit easier. But I don't know if I want that. I'm not going to shy away from it.

but I don't know if I wanted. After you find out that your kid's not yours and you're with the other girl, how quickly would you accept that? The kid isn't mine? Not because he had left his baby mother, but he still thought it was his kid. After that grief, like how many hours into that?

Like, would you... Hours, how many hours after you find out? I keep telling you, my, my emotions would lie more heavily on the fact that she... was like lying to me all this time. Yeah. Yeah. So then I think the next step would be just impregnate another woman that you may not fully trust or no.

No. I think he fully trusts. I think he should get the head. Don't get me wrong. Like that helps. Yeah. But I don't know. No, I think that he should, you know.

Like pull out for sure. Not have a baby right now, but maybe have the conversation about starting a family. Like obviously, you know, not right now, but obviously you want you, you're a great. dad. I saw how the way you handled, you know, your relationship with this four-year-old. Nobody in this room or her cares about this man's feelings at all. Why? You think that's the Band-Aid after four years and final out? I'm not saying that's, redo it. I'm not saying that the Band-Aid. I'm just saying he obviously loves the idea of family and having a child. He loves that. He loves that. Not anymore. No, no, no. That doesn't mean he doesn't,

no. That doesn't mean he doesn't love the idea of it. He just found out that the kid that he thought was his because of a woman he was dealing when she was lying to him is not his he has a current girlfriend who loves him who cares about him like and through this i think the conversation of so you obviously are great dad i love the way you handled your relationship with this kid i don't know if they had the conversation if he'll continue to have a relationship with the kid or not i don't know if they've had that conversation as i'm saying we should have in the zone zone imagine being a great dad to a child that you found out was not yours. But it doesn't mean that you can't wait to go be a dad somewhere else?

It doesn't mean that you're not, yeah, because you see how much you enjoy being a dad. Like, it's not, granted you're still mourning the kid, but it's never means you never going to want to have a kid again, Rory. Like, I think you're being a little bit. I'm not saying that, no, I'm being dramatic. Yeah, a little bit.

Like, you, like, he had a child for four years and found out it wasn't his. Okay, yes, but I don't. Give this man some time. You think just replacing with a new family. You're making it seem like I'm saying, get pregnant right now. I'm saying, no, have the kids. conversation of eventually one day starting their own family if that's where they're at in their

relationship i don't know what their relationship is that deep deep therapy that he deserves and what we all need never gonna never gonna trust a woman for quite some time i agree as he should i agree and i'm not saying the woman that that called in is untrustworthy i'm not saying that i'm saying somebody that goes through that situation yeah don't think he had very far for them to trust again that's again i'm not comparing uh dogs babies all that but like imagine watching your dog get ran over and someone taps you on the shoulder and says, we could go to the breeder tonight. Like I got,

it's like, wait, can I mourn watching my fucking dog get run over? Hold on. Hold on. Well, Rory. So, yes, that is insensitive for you to say, hey, let's just go get another dog. So insensitive. Obviously, your dog is not replaceable, right? I would fucking slap the shit out of somebody if they was, you'd have buried my dog earlier. If they had to said that to me, I'd have to wild it out. But it's

just doing a new family. At the same time. Let's do it again, but for real this time. That was practice. Yeah. We could train this dog. What does help is getting another dog. It's not a replacement. But give it some time.

Yes, give us some time for sure. No, for sure. But I'm saying have the conversation. She said he's clearly not over yet. Give this man some time is all I'm saying. We agree. We're all agreeing. We're all saying the same thing.

We agree. We're just saying it seems like at some point they will have to have their own conversation about family. If that's where they're at in their relationship, which is why I said, I have more questions. I want to know, did he always feel like the baby wasn't his or just one random day,

four years into it? He was like, you know what? I'm not too sure of this baby. Like, I have questions. I have questions that I wouldn't want to ask her. You know, I'm pro ZoomZum Room for almost all these things. I don't know if I want to play with somebody's life like this. I don't know if I want to, even if she'd agree to do ZoomZum Room.

I don't know if I don't like that. That feels nasty, no. I wasn't looking at it that heavy, but yeah, now that you laid it on like that, What the fuck? Yeah. No, we've joked about when he was walking around with his daughter his hand at the baseball field. We've done some Zooms and rooms on Patreon, but I don't know.

Like, I don't even know how I'd feel if somebody would call into a podcast, talk about kids not mine and get over it. And now we put down she on camera. Like, I don't know. I'm sure. That's a like, I think we're entering like some different territory. I feel like he would feel some type of way if he heard this voice. So the Zoom Zoom room ain't that big of a deal.

He would feel some type of way if he heard this fucking voicemail. The first voice note, she ever left was the worst. If you get on fucking camera and talk about as my girlfriend now and telling the world that I don't have babies not mine and to get over it, no, I think we enter in. And you keep all this. I mean, but we're here for the concept. I don't go fuck about their lives. That's on her if she wanted to do. Yeah.

So I'm going to get into a lot. I don't give a fuck about real lives. I don't care about their home being upside down. If black go do the interview. If you walk around here and snitch, you're going to buy crack from somewhere. Might as well get it for me. It was. My bad.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Ain't no oozy's made in Harlem. Ain't no oozy's made in holl. My bad. Muscle memory. My bad. I was in another place.

I'm sorry. I mean, that is a fact, though. At some point, if I don't sell crack, somebody's still going to buy crack. I get it. I don't know. I just think. No, but I feel you, though. We ain't got to put on it.

Finding Jack Harlow and somebody's DMs on stage is hilarious to me. Yeah. This one is just like... Because it's real. Whoa. It's real. It's real. Somebody's really hurt and going through something.

So yeah. With that said, bills to pay. How we started the episode. If you would like to come on here, you're more than welcome to come. No, no, no. We ain't going to do it. We ain't going to do it. But I do have more questions, though.

So, you know, I want to know. Keep calling him. We'll keep it anonymous. I want to know how long into it. Did he feel like the baby wasn't his? Did he always feel like the baby was? wasn't his or was it just a random, just like, let me go get a, you know, a DNA test or whatever, just to swab and see, like, was it random or was it like something he always felt in looking

at the child? Like, he always felt like this wasn't his child. Like, I want to know how y'all got to discovering that he wasn't the father. Like, was it a random test or was it something he had been thinking about for a while? That's all. You'd still raise the baby, so it's all right. Yeah. I'm not a stepdad. I just step. up. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. There you go.

Difference between a dad and a father. Come on, man. It wasn't there. I've always hated that. All right. Well, then tell me the difference. No, the English language just made two words for the same thing. There's a dad.

There's a father. All right. Well, tell me the difference. And where is it? I've never gotten a clear definition. Not even Webster. No one can tell me a clear definition. But this was fun, man.

Yeah. SummerSlam. SummerSlam this weekend. Shout out to the champ, Jade. Yes, and if you're listening to this, we are about to also, if you made it to the end of the episode, you will also get an episode with Jade

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