New Rory & MAL - Episode 402 | Hotline Sing

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

Thursdays are usually for guests, but we had to switch it up this week. We got a guest episode dropping for y'all tomorrow. But we're officially back, and after catching up with what everybody did with their time off we make sense of Young Thug's leaked phone calls (27:50). Of course Mal thinks the government is after him smh. Rory actually enjoyed Bobbi Althoff's intervirew with Drake, and Demaris and Mal debate why Drake doesn't want to give interviews to traditional hip-hop media (1:08:16). Hot 97 lets go of DJ Enuff, and that hit a little too hard for Rory. How come Flex still has a spot, and is he the reason Enuff and Camilo are no longer on-air? (1:32:28) Plus, an update from the caller who hates her cousin...once again Mal was right (1:40:37) #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we're back. Did you see that Fab and Mano called out Jim Jones for using his professional podcast voice, too, the way you did to me? I felt seen by Jim. Yeah. Sometimes you got to put on a whole different voice to be formal. It's just funny coming up from Jim, though. Like Jim, John's having a professional voice. Me having one and Jim having one is a little different,

but it didn't make me feel better after you called me out of like, you know, just talk the way you talk. Just talk the way you talk, man. You don't have to put on this professional voice. And we're back at the top of the week. It's Rory. They know who you are. We are sponsored by Boost.

They're very familiar with your voice and who you are, Rory. It's all good. We are back specifically with the Parkway Princess herself. Ha-ha. I know you wasn't really on your phone this weekend, but somebody was outside, outside. Oh, yeah? She was on the parkway for the first time in her life. That was not, see, that's why you, he's in my business wrong.

Oh, I thought that's what you said on IG. No, I said baby's first parkway. I was with someone. But your baby D? No, but it was her first parkway. I've been on the parkway plenty of times. Oh, okay. Yeah.

I took somebody to the parkway for there for the first time. Mm. Yeah. He was kind of outside. Mm-hmm. because you was doing something. All right, let me start with this. I'm going to continue to gripe about this.

I'm never sending Demaris anything. Here we go. Like, here we go. It was a running joke of no one listening to my album when I sent it before, this and that. I did a record, an incredible start with Jaze over this holiday weekend, sent it over to Damaris because the shit is like, you know, a lesbian lovemaking record. and I felt like she's the audience. So I sent, I went direct to consumer of who would listen to this record.

Test the product. Sunday night. No answer. Sunday night. Meanwhile, we got out the studio at 2 a.m. She was with strippers at 3 a.m. She could have replied and you don't think me and Jaze wanted to go see strippers after the studio?

He just made that up. That one stripper is like. Because we were both thinking like, yo, we should go try to do something. We walked over the lap. That she was closed. We was like, damn, do we not do we not do a starless. We was trying to find anything.

Meanwhile, Demaris had all the hose with. So I'm supposed to let you know every move I make in New York, but you were running around. Every move you make, every step you take. You were running around. You were running around outside looking for things to do and never thought to call me. Never thought to hit me and say what you are on what you don't. Because I thought you were now reformed in a long-term relationship and you were at home. Bringing up my relationship has nothing to do with my outside.

Because usually I figured you was home cooking, cleaning. Cap, cap and more cap. Not speaking the way women, like the things women in relation. relationship should do. Cap, because I told y'all what I was doing when we left the studio on Thursday. I told you exactly what I was doing and when I was doing it. I told you that I had an ad to shoot with South House and Magic Shave, and that's that.

That is what I would be doing on Sunday. I told you that. You don't listen to me, see? Now, who should be pressing who on? Who's the bad friend? I thought she was shooting ad content. I didn't know she was going to be with Horace. Watch your mouth.

I was just great to say that's like the third time. Yeah, like, watch your mouth. I said it's a compliment. No, you don't. because you want to call penny a horse you won't call penny a horse wait wait wait no no I love what are we talking about I love horse yeah but the people the women she was with might not take that as a compromise and they're not the one she was with with they were outside where the horse were oh okay yeah no not her crew no I don't think that of her crew I thought that's what you said

with the hose like no her and her crew were with them oh okay but the crew is not the and see this is why Damaris cabin because Demaris told me in text after I was like damn I wish I would hit you she was like yeah now it was outside who was out Outside. The horse. Who we talk about when we say they was outside? Beautiful women. Republicans. The LGBTQ community. Everybody. Liberals. It was Labor Day weekend. Everybody was outside. Conservatives outside. So I sent America's record. She doesn't even imply to me.

239 in the morning while I'm at a brand event. 239 on the morning. Yesterday I sent her the first version, well, I'm the final version of the off-road video, which I also sent to Pige. And he gave me a lot of validation that I needed because sometimes people, when you really, trust their opinion of stuff and they like it, it makes you feel better. And you know people are going to be honest with you, because I feel like like, nah, that ain't it. That made me feel good. Demaris is somebody that I respect

her opinion of things. Somebody called me, he asked me, like, yo, you had Jawsy on the show? I said, no, I said, why? Rory goes in the pick. It's like, oh, because I see she's with Rory. I was like, oh, that probably was in the studio working something. Yeah. He was like, yeah, because Jawsie was talking shit about you. I was like, she was

talking shit about me. I was like, I thought me and Jawsie was cool. I thought me and Jawsie was cool. She didn't see. So remember, you, I remember when I brought up, I say, yo, do die? Because I've never seen a shit in the casket. Yes, I remember. That was one of the funniest segments. So Jawsie caught winded at that. And I heard she didn't like that. She was saying that I was lame and all of that. Like, it was just a joke. But then we met at BT weekend. I thought, you know, I finally met her. First of all, I feel like that's probably bad information because I know Jawsie personality.

No, it's valid information. I know her personality. This person knows Jaze. Okay. Maybe she had a, because Jaze's, because Jawsie, joke like us. Which is cool. I don't know. I don't want to say like I was like, oh, her she was calling me lame. You know, I don't give a fuck about that. I just thought it was funny because I'm like, damn, finally met. We talked at BETT weekend. You know what I said? She was pretty cool. I thought she was, she was cool. So you're saying nobody kept the same energy at BT week. Well, apparently we was, we are, our energy was being checking. I didn't know. You know, so I had no idea people walking around with the mom of the BT weekend. Apparently I didn't have a cold,

never flew. VeeC was brought you by Nest. Yeah. Oh, man. Shout out to Jazi though, man. I'm sure everything is fine. Jawsi. Jaze was the coolest most down-earth people I've ever met.

Okay, but now, call Jaze and ask her has she ever seen the fucking in the castes. I'm sure she has. I'm sure she hasn't. I told you that my friend's dad is a funeral director and he said, no, we've definitely buried, you know, gay women, but the family doesn't, you know, we dressed them up more effeminent

than masculine. I'm like, do they like that in the afterlife? Do they like the footage? Do they like that in the afterlife crazy? Yeah, like, I don't think a shit is going to be happy if the family like buried her in a dress. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, no, bury me and my Levi's. Like I used to usually wear with my, you know, my big t-shirt.

In my fitted cap. Exactly. But yes, it's all love to Jaze. Shout out to Jaws. But yeah, with all that said, then I sent Demaris the off-road video. It is now, we're recording this on Wednesday. Damaris and I listened or watched anything that I've sent her.

That's not true. I came in here ready to give you feedback and sing your praises, but you talk too fucking much. It's a podcast. You ever had any of talk himself out of pussy? That's you. I've probably done that before.

Yeah, I know you have. Score. I'm playing paddleball right now. I like, I like this game. I mean, but here, anytime I feel like I've talked myself out of pussy, I felt okay about it.

Like, I needed to get my point across. Good strike. I needed to get my point across. That was a good backhand, Roh. Sometimes you need a point more than you need a nut. That's fine. that's what you chose. But yeah.

It looks very well. It's very well done. I'm very proud of you, but I couldn't even get that out because you came in here attacking it. And then on top of that, like, when I get my point across and realize that I talk myself out the pussy,

I can then spin it to show like, wait, you thought I was trying to beat? That's crazy. I wasn't trying to fuck. I'm about to go home now. You sent me a dick pick and say, can't wait to nothing you. Yes, you were trying to fuck.

Wait, you have my phone? You have my phone? Do you have my phone? Do you just say? I'm so low. I thought y'all was playing pickleball just now. Like, I don't know what just happened. Like somebody just...

No, I sent her the off-road video. Oh, okay, okay. I'm like, wait, what? We were talking hypothetically. Okay. Not me, literally. Okay, but him saying he could spin it like he wasn't trying to fuck. Well, I was so disgusted.

Like, he was about to... No, this, we was about to go. I'm about to say, listen, we, this whole episode is about to be some whole other... I thought the dick pick might have been okay. I think it was the follow-up message that was a little fucking nuts. No, the dick pick was not okay. I think like where is the HR department? But women do that too.

Hey, I'm trying to nut inside of you after. But women do that. Women do, y'all do that a lot. What we do? Okay, so I saw a clip where some girl posted, oh, she was talking to this guy. And after she says something about money, like, you know, some bills or something like that, the guy just stopped texting. He disappeared.

She was like, damn, it's whack because I was just joking. You wasn't just joking. Mm-mm. Like, y'all like doing that I was just joking Because you wouldn't have been just joking If he'd say, I don't say I was just, I'm never playing about no money Ain't shit funny in the economy

Yeah, so, but why do women do that? Like I was just joking He disappeared, he goes to me Just because I started talking about bills and things like that Now I was just joking But humans do that anyway Whenever humans get backlash on something they said Then it's suddenly is just a joke

Yeah, exactly, that's what I said women do That's when you're not women, humans, when you pussy is just When you stand on what you say There is not one woman on earth That would jokingly be like, yo, give me some money No, that's not. It's nothing funny about that. It's nothing funny about the first coming up and you look in your account and you at $72. And respectfully, I don't really know if men be joking about trying to fuck. They don't. How do you joke about that though? Like how did, like what's the like what's the punchline? Yeah. What do you say where it's like and it don't land? You'd be like, nah, I was just joking. Okay. Speaking of Jaze. Okay. We shot some content while we was recording as well. We had a camera guy there or whatever. Um. And she, you know, she was giving a passionate speech. And she was like, and I'm a gay woman.

I was like, wait, wait, wait, what? I just set the session up because I was trying to fuck. Yeah. I was joking. Clearly, that's just a joke. I think she's beautiful, but obviously I know she's not, that wouldn't even be a thing. She's not into men whatsoever. And obviously, I wasn't doing that.

But I was joking about fucking. Yeah. So I, you know what? I think it's just, but that's a clear joke, though. Yeah. That's a clear joke. Obviously. Now, if you made that joke with Tyler.

The creator? Either one. However you feel it. Which, what's Tyler? However you feel it. I don't know what you're on. Tata. That's none of my business.

I don't know what you're on. I'm just saying if you make that same joke with a woman that wasn't masculine appearing. Well, would it be a joke? Mainly the joke was actually more about like producers setting up sessions because they're trying to fuck the artist. That's more of what it was about. Yeah, that's a real thing.

I would make that joke with Tyler. The creator. Yes. You would make that joke with him? Yeah. Because he's. Why? Why would you make that joke with somebody that may or may not be a gay man?

He's discussed being bisexual. You may or may not be his type. So are you discussing it? Listen, I know he like redheads. He had a whole album cover that's just a ginger that looks like me. Okay. That's what's up. Listen, as long as you, I want you to be happy, my brother.

But here's my thing. If I did that and he wasn't joking, then now I'm in a predicament. Yeah. Because now you was teasing. You was playing pussy and you got to get fucked. If you're going to play pussy, get fucked. At that point, I become the woman and be like, Tally, you need to give me money. For my pain to suffer it?

I have a mortgage payment that is absent right now. You got to pay a bill, Tyler. Rory, if you had a pussy, how much you'd think it'd be worth? Hmm. The whom's funny. Because you're really trying to calculate.

No, I'm just like, all right, in this hypothetical, what have I done with the pussy? And women need to start pricing their pussy based on high smell. We don't never talk about that. What the fuck? Okay.

I kind of thought that one without. Wait, they're putting them price on smelly pussy. Back. Let's take a second. Yeah. Just like they put a price on used cars, you're like, fam, this car's not worth this. Like, you want to negotiate? We can do that. Like, you set in the baseline at 5K, this is not a $5,000 car.

And you know those used car places that change the mileage? Yeah. They got to change the mileage. Yeah, it's all of that. So it's like, this ain't premium. This ain't a premium package right here. Like, why are you charging premium for this? And this is.

And you know that go-to. Honda's last forever. Yeah. American-made cars are such a good car. they last forever nah I don't want no car that lasts forever give me one that's going to break down after a few years um all right

what is my pussy done you know what I take it back I take it back we will off the rails because is it premium like do I got good pussy is your dick good that's it depends if you ask I was feeling that day there's a sliding scale

it depends on how much I like you Like what did you bring out? Oh, God. Yeah, yeah, y'all love that. Y'all like that one, right? Y'all love to use that one. It depends on how comfortable I am. Yeah, for sure.

Rory be ass naked first date. Like, he'd be comfortable. That's fire. Yeah, what? That's stupid fire. That's how we came in the world that way, like, yeah, you'd be comfortable. I mean, Weezy told my business on whatever podcast.

We did horrible together, actually. That was the best explanation. Weezy's like, I have two friends that Roy has slept with. One said it was the worst experience she's ever had. she's ever had. One said it was the best shit she ever had. And I said, that sounds about right for me. Which one most likely lying? I don't care what no girl said. I'm not the worst

experience you ever had. That's just not. I know me. That's just not possible. The worst. There's a great area there. How do you know what they're supposed? I don't think I knocked it out. The worst. I'm not the worst. Saying you the worst is crazy. That's probably that's kind of. The worst. But are you a believer if she said the best? No. Oh, okay.

Yeah, I'm that guy. I've never, I've never believed. I'm that guy. I'm definitely not the worst, though. Cut the shit. I'm definitely not the worst guy. No, I've never believed I was the best and I've never believed of the worst. The worst, I knew why she said it because she's still mad at me to this day.

Yeah, it'd be emotional shit. But I also don't think, like, I knocked it out. Her saying it wasn't great. Objectively, I could be cool with. But I know she said it was the worst because she disliked me. Yeah. So.

Maybe she dislikes you because it was the worst. No, it was just a long story. Who's the long story? If we had a podcast where we'd like a long form content in place, We can do it, but, like, you know, we got a... So much to talk about. You know, the funk flex.

Yeah. Camillo. Enough. There's so much. It's so much to talk about that we can't get into that, really. We can't do that. Sure. Maybe on Patreon.

And if, like, if you came, like, was it that bad? Ugh. I mean, you let them tell it. Like, come on. Now, because women, they're saying that out to... Like, there's plenty of times. I'm not made a woman come. But some of them say they come easy.

They'll give you that one, too. Like, like, just, like, just. made me come, though. I mean, it's... I love those unicorns. They were like, I come soon as they... I'm like, oh, okay, all right. So it wasn't me. That's what they tell you. It wasn't... Women to take that card out your hand no matter what. It wasn't you. I just, like, at this age, I prefer the women that, like, know how to make themselves come. Like, they know they have to ride a certain way, and they'll...

They'll agitate the clit enough to nut. Agitate the clit, agitate the shit. Regular episode. Agitate the clit is a... This is a regular episode. What? The Labor Day just passed. We're back.

It's a holiday weekend. Yes. Everybody getting back into the flow. Kids are back at the school. You know, the women playing with that clit a little more at the end of the morning now. Empty house. They've been waiting for this. They've been waiting for this.

Let's get back to it. Get back to self-care. Self-love. Yeah. Maul, did you do anything over the weekend, the Labor Day weekend? No, I didn't do nothing like important worth talking about. Just saw some friends' family. Went to a cookout.

That was it. Basic shit. What did you eat at the cookout? What did I eat? vegan food? It was like rice and rice and food. I had, it was like rice and peas, salad, you know, shit like that. Like that's what I was on.

No, no, like, still no meats and not like that. Mm-hmm. A lot of sides. That's good. I went to our guy Punch, not TDE Punch, punch, DJ Punch. It's mad punches. I would never assume that you went anywhere with TDE punch. Really?

No. I mean, we've hung out before. Pre-pre-beef. Okay. You see how that changes everything? Literally changed everything. I don't think we've spoken to us. I bet you have it.

I bet you have it. I bet you have it. So I went to, Punch at his, you know, he has his legendary backyard barbecue pool parties and it was,

it was birthday over the weekend. So I went down there. I see the hype. Yeah, it was cool. Good times? I see the hype. I mean,

I didn't do nothing. I just watched. Yeah. But yeah. Anything to call me? Good energy. Great energy. Yeah.

And it was out there. I was the temperature to the water, the pool. It was good. Nobody was even. looking at that pool. Oh, okay.

Yeah. It was just like a lot of just. There's like 15 porn stars there. Oh, great. Why you ain't call me? Why you ain't call me? Because you was, uh, yeah,

exactly. Yeah, that's that shit I was talking about. You was doing ad reads. All right, let me not do that because I don't want people to think that we're sitting on Damaris. I was not just sitting on.

No, no, I'm just saying, you know, people would take it like that. Like they're making jokes about Demar's. Damias, congrats on doing your ass. And you know I fully support.

Get that bag. Get that bag, girl. Get that bag. You know I fully support. Yeah. Do you feel like I was making this light there? I apologize. No, I was wondering why I'm dead ass.

Why you ain't call me? Why you ain't call me? Why I got to call you when I go out? You don't call me. It was a last minute thing. And I also did. He lives far. Like far, far, far.

You have a car. I actually didn't think he was going to make that trip. Another pickleball match. Yes. You could have called me. You called me for everything. The Maris with the back in. All right.

If you still lived in Jersey, I would have called you. I was not waiting. Roy, we just threw out of bounds. Yeah. Score for Demance. Hear me out. Hear me out. Once I found out that I was going to be baby free for the afternoon and evening, which was

very, very, very last minute. I thought I had a moron for the whole weekend. Once I found that out, I was like, all right, bet. It's 2 o'clock. This is about like a two-hour drive. Waiting on a holiday weekend for Demaris to get from Brooklyn to Jersey City would have been pointless to go. If she still lived in Jersey, I would have just scooped her. because that would have been like my road dog with what the type of situation those pool parties are. So it was really a Brooklyn Jersey thing. That's all it really was. Okay.

Cool. You know, I saw a Peja's ex-brother-in-law. Like, I just saw a lot of friends and family I hadn't seen in a minute. Pager's ex-brother-in-law. That's a. Okay. Which he reminded me. I even forgot.

He was like, oh, okay. All right, my bad. I was like, Pige's great. He's great. He's doing it. great. And I was like, oh shit, I forgot about all that. Yeah. So yeah, no, it was a fun, fun weekend. And I, I played the corner. I watched, I watched the madness happen. That's a lot. But it's okay. I let you get your lies off. Get your lies off.

No, I'm dead ass. Niggins always say they played a corner and forgot to mention that it was a bad bitch also in the corner with them. Y'all do the same thing. Who me? Women? I don't say, I'm not saying you in particular. I'm saying women. Yeah, no, we don't say shit. No, we was chilling. It was lit. Had a long drive home. It was lit. That's playing the corner. The corner to be the middle of the party with no shirt on.

All right, man. That was the corner. All right. I got you. My shirt was on. Okay. You have a good shirt. You have a good shirt on.

He is now wearing the karma, karma release of the prosperity. Is it the prosperity pack? The prosperity pack. Failable now? You feeling your karma is beautiful today, Rory. You look great, good shades. You know what I'm saying?

You look like you had a lot. a good time this weekend. Yeah, no, my eyes is fucked. I see, Dame is now just recording with an eye patch and glasses. I feel like I could do the same thing. My eyes can't take this shit anymore. And I need to really know.

You didn't have surgery. You just didn't get no sleep. No, I got sleep last. I went to a birthday dinner and went right home. I got sleep. I just, I really need to go to the doctor for adult allergies. Like, they are kicking my ass at 35

that I've never had. Like, I walk outside and tears come out of my eyes. Yeah. Something outside I'm allergic to. And when I get in the lights, it gets fucking worse. It can be dry eyes. You're starting to start to put drops in your eyes. That's all.

Yeah. No, but I can't do that. Why? Vizine, I don't know. That's like one thing I, eye drops I've never been able to do. What do you mean you can't do it? I physically cannot do it. You can't put drops in your eyes?

No. As a grown man? Nope. Is it like you're scared of the drop? Like, you would have to hold my eyelids open. Like, it would have to be a force. Like, you know when they get people the feeding tubes of like, When they're on hunger strikes.

Like, that's what you would have to do. How do you take a shout? Do you close your eyes in your shower? That's not the same as vizine. What do we talk? You wash your eyeballs. Yeah, like, what do you do? No, but you wash it?

I don't wash my eyeballs, but like when I'm washing my face. When you wash your face, you close your eyes. Under the stream? Not, not really. Like, my eye. Like, when you. You know, what the fuck? When you exfoliate.

You keep your eyes open when you. No, no, no. Because I'm clean. I'm washing my eyes as well. Like, you know, the outside. of my eyelids. Same because they're closed. But I'm just saying like when I'm in the shower standing under like the shower head and the water's like hitting my hair and my face.

My eyes are not shut closed. Neither am I. I'm not looking up at the fucking shower head and like just fucking do what you want to me. You're looking straight. You're looking straight. You're looking straight. You're looking to do what you want to me. Yeah. Have you away with me shower head.

Like no, I'm not doing that. Like I'm just saying like I'm not, my eyes are not shut either though. Black people, we're not shutting eyes in the shower. It's too much. But if some niggas run. in the creek while I'm in the shower. You're out of poverty. Yeah, I'm from a dark place in the Bronx.

Yeah, but you live like way the fuck up in Westchester. Shit happens. I don't know these niggins still. I don't care that the rent is hired. This is why I laughed at mall as a Republican. Because Republicans don't think black trauma exists. This is a clear example of black trauma. Yeah.

Black trauma is real. Absolutely is real. Y'all better wake up. This is Roy. He's trying to put vizine in his eye. Yeah, just need some vizine, man. That's all. You'll be fine.

Because when I initially went to the eye doctor to, you know, when you have to like renew registrations and license and all that shit, I was like due up for like 20 years to go to the eye doctor for that. And they were like, oh yeah, your eyes like are super dry. And I was like, I don't, I can't do the eye drops. They gave me these eye vitamins. They don't work. Like I need to, I have to be allergic.

You take the vitamins and it's supposed to help your eyes. Yeah. And it's done nothing. You just need some drops, man. You just got dry eyes. That's all. I just think I'm allergic to the earth. Oh, I mean, you're whites.

That's that, I mean, that is a real thing. So, but anyways, how was the Parkway? Yo. I don't even know how we got on these tangents. The Parkway was cool. Parkway is fine. It's Labor Day. It was a lot of people out there a little overstimulated.

And I planned on being sober because I had been drunk all weekend. Planned on being sober. I could not do the Parkway sober. I grabbed it to Cracker immediately. I was like, I can't do this. But it was cool. You know, I only ran once. But it turns out it was just a dog we were running from.

And, yeah. I mean, during the parade. is always the night before that's the violence. The parade is never violent. Sometimes. How's why Cliff look? He was there? Hey, I mean, he's the mayor.

Oh, yeah, I didn't see the whole parade. I got there like five, six o'clock. Y'all don't understand. You got there five, six o'clock? Yes. The parade is over. No, it was still going. No, people are still outside in Brooklyn after five.

No, it was still floats. It was still floats. I was still catch up. But not the official floats. That's just like the band, like the bands that just keep going. Oh, okay. Yeah, well, the Haitian bands were kept going. They were out, but they were on a float.

So, but yeah, like, Cardi-Boh. They just live around the block. That's the-knit from up the block. They went around the library and came right back. They just, that's some niggas that live up the block. Like, they weren't supposed to be out there. Yeah, we missed it. I, child, I'm not built to be out.

Alex had me at a club. I was at a club. Then I had, I was at another club. And then I went, fucked around, went at a party, went to a party caught a contact high before my brand event. I didn't know that, like, they were smoking in a place and all the windows and doors were closed. Like, it was an indoor party. was really hot in there.

But I thought I was drunk. But I'm like, I only had two drinks. Why do I feel so loopy? No, I was high as fuck. And I had to go to the brand event. Like, I was trying to sober up. I took a cold shower. I was drinking ginger tea because I'm like,

I don't want these people to meet me and I'm high when I didn't smoke. Like, I'm high on accident. It was a lot. Yeah, they'll never be calling you back. It's okay. You walked in and smelling like an ashtray? No, I went home and showered

and did all of that stuff. Like, I smelled good. It was just like my eyes were like so low. Just tell me you got eye problems like me. you can't do eye drops. Yeah, no. But, yeah, Roy's working on his album. Mall is, you know,

eating sides and labor, sides at Labor Day weekend. I'm working on my album. You are? Mm-hmm. Woo-hoo. Just me. Oh, no features?

Not yet. But there's a few people that owe me some favors. Like who? I can't, you know, I don't want to put that energy out there. But my album's coming in 2026. 2026?

Yeah. Okay, you think it's going to like, like, hit, like, Do I think it's going to hit? Yeah. Like, Rory's did well. Roy's album did great. Are you kidding me?

Look at how the things change. What we said Jalm didn't do great before? Not you. Oh, okay. I said, my best friend that I'm staring at across the fucking table. Yo, are we even really best friends anymore? Like, do you really want to talk about?

Like, are we even really best friends? First of all, I felt like we were at the space where we don't need to speak every day. And it was always going to be the same because that's how deep our friendship is. Bitches always think that to that birthday. dinner come around. Oh, good backhand, Maryscoe. I paid for your last six birthday dinners. Good, oh, man, go. You just made that. Like, you saw how bitch is lie.

You said how bitch is going to get out of camera and lie. But anyway. It's podcasting. Yo, this weekend, a lot of interviews came out, a lot of phone calls came out, which I want to talk about first. Oh, not to the game. A lot of interviews and phone calls came out. A lot of interviews and phone calls came out. Listen, man. You know,

I need to start, like, really talking about, like, my inner thoughts more. Okay. Okay. You know how you have into thoughts about things and you'd be like and then when shit happens

you would like I should have said this two years ago. You ever had those moments where shit happens and you were like I knew this was going to happen two years ago?

Well, in particular with the whole thug situation when he essentially you know, came home and won his trial because that was a win. I think he was facing life if I'm correct.

He was. It was like, oh shit, shout to Brian still. You know what I mean? It was able to go there. Time serve.

Make some things happen. Time serve. He obviously has restrictions. Can't go here. Can't go there. But something about that never sat right with me. I was like, this doesn't, I don't think this is the end of this. And lo and behold, now we have these recorded conversations being, I don't, we don't

want to say leaked. It's not an album. It's not an album. These conversations are being put out. Yes. And I always felt like. the government was going to find a way. Oh, shit.

To say, okay, he won the, he won the battle. But we're going to win the war. We're going to do whatever we can to completely annihilate his public facing character, his public facing status. And I believe that this is exactly what it is. This is an attack on dismantling thugs' character, dismantling, everything that thugs stands for, this is not by accident. This is not a leak. This is a planned thing that I feel like the government knew, they know exactly what they're doing.

And they had this plan all along. When they want you, they're going to get you. We may not have you in prison. We may not have you behind bars, but we're going to get you. And I think that this is exactly what is happening here. I think that they are purposely putting these audio, recordings out because if anybody has anybody incarcerated, the first thing you hear when you answer that phone is this call is being recorded. So you know that this is being recorded. It's not who keeps the recording. You don't know. We can guess. Oh, the government has it. The jail system, the correctional facility has it. So now these recordings that they have, if you've ever called from a jail and talked to somebody, anything you spoke about is recorded and saved somewhere.

So now what the government is essentially doing is saying, okay, he's not in prison. Let's do whatever we can do to completely disrupt his image, completely dismantle his image. And that's exactly what they're trying to do with these recordings. Okay. But also, cool, the phone calls, but there's also interrogation stuff there. So, like, you know when people on reality TV complain, like, I was edited this way, and then the reply is always like, like, well, you can't edit what you don't do. Yeah.

Cool. Government can be behind anything, but what thug stands for, I don't care that they leaked it. It happened. Like, yeah. I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I'm not saying nothing. Like, it's not like, if it was AI, I'd be like, all right, that's some some real, real higher. No, no, no, no. I'll be very clear.

I'm not saying that none of this didn't happen. It clearly happened. These conversations clearly happened. What I'm saying is when people say, oh, these things are, it's a, they're leaking. the conversations. Stop saying these conversations are leaking. But we saw... These conversations are being put out by the government.

By the fucking... We saw with Brian the scientist and Doug as far as that leaked conversation. And we could probably safely assume that wasn't the government. That was probably somebody that worked at the jail that had it and sold it. Like that happens a lot too. Shit, how we saw Salon's trying to whip Jay-Z's ass was because the security people sold the shit. Like, I do think there's an element there. and we also know because he, where was he locked up?

Was that a federal case? No. That was with this. No. No. It was with Georgia. It was state. Yeah.

So it was state. So he was locked up in the greater Atlanta area. We know COs come from the same exact hoods that the people that are locked up in. I could see a world where all this stuff. C.O. took the shit and sold it to somebody. Or knew someone that knew gun in was like, yo, he's saying all this shit about you. I got all this. Like, I can see this.

that. The interrogation one, though, to me is government. But jail phone calls, any... No, it's not. C-O. selling shits all the time. No, they do not. It's not that easy to get those recordings. Okay. Those recordings are not just on a recorder right here in the office where we have in lunch at. No, I know. That's not where those recordings are located.

Those recordings are somewhere where somebody higher up on the chain that works for the correctional facility, that works for the state. They have those recordings. That's not just somebody that's working in the jail. Also, lower-level people that monitor those calls that then have to flag something if criminal activity

is being discussed for the higher ups to take care of. If you don't think somebody could sit in that fucking office with their iPhone and play that recording and just like this, and get that exact quality of what they have on those, I do think I don't think it's that easy. Okay.

No, your lawyers can absolutely obtain your recordings. Yeah, he says gunna's lawyers. Oh, Gunners? You think Gunner's? No. Ah. I don't think that. I don't think that. But again, I don't want to act like a Twitter lawyer because I don't know.

Once you plea out, why would the lawyer have access to, they weren't even really co-defendants after the plea. So how would they have access to those calls? Yeah, I don't think Gunner's lawyers did. Thug's lawyers, I think, can get those, you know. But that's, again, it lets you know when you make a call, this call is being recorded. Yeah, of course. So it's just certain things that you just don't. need to be speaking about on, you know, on those calls on those phones because, again, you do know

that it's being recorded. But I mean, to me, the calls, whether it be with, you know, 21, with other people like, respectfully, that was more like gossipy, I'm bored in jail calls. To me, the main leak was the interrogation, the two interrogation ones. Like, that's different. That's not a jail phone call. That's an interrogation. Like, to me, that's where this shit is nuts. And I don't know at this point, someone just tell me the street rules, because I don't know anymore. There are no street rules.

I'm just, I'm not calling, I'm a civilian. Am I calling anyone a rat? I don't know. I just want to know at this point, what are the updated rules? Because I'm very confused. People need to understand this and, you know, it just is what it is. The streets and all of the, the rules are cold. That shit is only upheld by a very select few. Everybody's not a rat.

Everybody's not a snitch. But they are rats. to now snitches. You go through every era from the biggest gangsters. You show me who the biggest gangster was somewhere in their story. I could point out somebody that radded. That's just, it's, oh, that's a part of the, snitching is a part of the streets. And people just need to understand that. That's a part of it. You know, when you play Mario, it's the little gumbas that run around, that's part of the game. You can't play Mario World and not get mushrooms. Like, that's part, that's in the game. You cannot be in the streets and not think that people are not cooperating and not snitching. That is a part of the street rules. There are snitches, which is why when somebody

doesn't snitch and doesn't cooperate, they should be saluted to the highest degree because we know exactly how many of these people are cooperating. So when you see somebody take their time and take their punishment and stand up to it and don't fold and do that, those are the people you salute because, again, for one person that's going to hold it down, there's 100,000 that's going to cooperate. but people that hold it down and take their sentences, that is very rare. So when people get so surprised when they find out that people cooperated or gave a statement, it's that I look at it like, what are we surprised about? That's a part of the game.

From look at every era of your favorite documentaries from your favorite gangsters and street figures. Go through all of the documentaries. And I guarantee you in every documentary, there is somebody that cooperated and took the whole thing down. Some of your favorites did it. And they throw parties for these niggins and all kinds of. when they come home. I'm like, you know that nigger rat it, right? The one thing that they love is he ain't rat on me. He ain't rat on me. He will then. Yeah. But I don't understand why I don't like being around this type of shit and these guys because I look at it and I'm like, yo, first of all,

I know y'all don't even like each other, number one, because I've heard what y'all both said about each other to me. So then when I see y'all doing parties and events and hostings and vacations, I'll be sitting back looking like maybe I'm the eyeball. You know what I'm saying? And I'm cool with that. Maybe. But I'm just like something ain't right what's going on out here. And it hasn't been right forever.

But it takes years of being around certain things and seeing certain things to understand like, oh, this is not for me. And that's one reason why it was easy for me to leave that street shit alone because I know how I'm going. I know that whatever I do, I'm taking that on the chin. If I get caught up out here and I got to go to prison, I'm taking that. Everybody's not doing that. So why I even put myself in a situation where I'm the only one that's going to hold it down?

I'm not doing it. I'm asking to lose at that point. I'm asking to be the person with the short end of the stick. Because I know if they come and say, yo, you're facing 15. Give me my 15. I see you on a minute. That's how I'm designed. Everybody ain't designed like that.

Niggins said 15 years, they put a beat on. I'll tell you, they're going to start telling no niggas that ain't even a part of the situation. and it's cool come home concert sold out merch sold out you know what I'm saying views going crazy on YouTube

the support is still there and they just put some good dudes behind bars so when you look at that you're like so what am I doing because I'm never going to do that and if that's what you got to do to be accepted out here then I'd rather just not be a part of it mom I'm going to say something to you I have never said in my entire life

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So with all that said, where do you think this leaves Thug and his perception and his career? It's tough. It's going to be very tough. But then again, I don't know. Gunner putting out great music. Barclays, Damaris crying. Yeah. Like, so you can't even say, I think. I think Thug going to put out a classic album and sell out a whole tour. If we're going based on what we see already, I don't think this does. I don't think that this hurts Thug at all.

Prove me wrong. I'm willing to be proven wrong, though. But I don't think that it does. Well, do you think, okay, so I don't think the snitching is an issue. Because nobody cares. I think that's the point you don't understand. Nobody gives a fuck. I think they're starting to be a likability issue.

A who? A likability issue. Gunna would never became unlikable. people even when gunna was when they locked when they originally locked gunna up before he he did become unlikable to some when he said yes man yeah to some yes but what i'm saying what i'm saying is personality wise even when gunna was locked up there were people advocating for him like hey he doesn't deserve to be in there because as far as the criminal aspect of this he's not involved gunna never really became unlikable other than the snitching thing as far as with thug but that's supposed to be enough it is supposed to be

enough but you're missing my point there's nothing worse than that other than Okay, but also, I don't think anyone perceived to Demaris's point that Gunna was like that. Like, Gunna never really portrayed himself like that. The way Thug has portrayed himself. Do y'all listen to Gunner's music? Yes, of course, but it's a little. What the fuck are you all talking about? Everybody raps about being like, that's not, like, it's not about the rapping.

Can we talk about the perception of what Thug, like, outside, his whole career, outside of Thug making incredible music, it wasn't even whispers. The perceptions of fans was like, now Thug is, like, really like that. Like Gunna, no one has thought that. And I mean that respectfully. Like, cool, he's gang affiliated, whatever. But that's a rap thing. Nobody was running around saying like Gunna was causing chaos in the city of Atlanta. That's the part I don't like.

Nobody was thinking of that. You get the rap about it. You get to walk like it. You get to talk like it. You get to do all of that. And then when the truth come out, it's, nah, but we never really, you know what I'm saying? Nobody thought he was really like. But how he get to talk and walk like that and be affiliated with that?

and rep that. But then when it comes to having to stand behind that, we're not surprised that he didn't. I don't think Gunner's music has, like, yes, of course he's racked about certain violent stuff, but that he's been more. Yeah, he's not a gang- Listen, I don't know all of Gunner's lyrics, but we can ask- I'm sure you can find me.

We can ask Chat, GBT, I'm willing to bet everything that on one of Gunner's verses, he definitely said he would never snitch on the guys. I'm willing to bet that. Oh, sure. I'm willing to bet anything on that. Gunner had said that at some point. I said that in my rap, and I'm going straight to talk about you, niggins. But we can't do that and then be with the guys that's really doing that.

And then when it comes time to really stand behind that. You said what? You are not, what I ain't doing? You and I are both tax-paying civilians, but you are not about to just go tell on all your friends. Like, that's not happening. I know you. You are not going to do that. Damaris is a rat, man.

The Maris can't wait with the rat. The marriage ain't doing no jail time You all think I'm doing the jail For some shit I ain't do Yeah That's why I used to tell When I used to date drug dealers Don't do no crimes with me in the car

If they pull us over And say who gun is this I'm looking at them niggas and say You know damn the fuck well It's not mine Well no no that's they're supposed to That's on none If it's not you're they're supposed to take that

You bugging out hell That goes without saying Like that only DMX Only DMX kept Keisha in jail Like in real life He would have got that girl out of jail I ain't going to jail for nobody. I don't do no crimes.

You bugging out. And if you niggas go to jail for avoiding your taxes and the cops start asking me questions, guess what? I'm going to say, I don't know. But if they don't know anything about taxes. I don't know. You wouldn't be lying. You wouldn't be lying.

You wouldn't be lying. Yeah, you wouldn't be lying. Yeah, you wouldn't be lying. But you can't get up there and be like, yeah, nah, they are, you know, they be evading taxes. You can't get up there and do that either, though. But if they ask me and I know, I'm not lying. to the cops. I'm going to call a lawyer. I'm not answering.

The marriage, all you got to do is not saying. You just do. See what I'm saying? But that's, but you see how natural that is for you? I'm going to say. Because they was all hurt eight years. If niggas got me in a new Rory and Marrico and they say in eight years, nah, but not, but if it come down to, they know that you don't have, they know that you don't have none. You have no, no one's of it. But what you need to understand. What you need to understand is it don't fucking, because I have, I grew up in Syracuse and we have a lot of gang violence. And at least three of our gangs have been hit with Rico charges. That's because there's no affordable housing. Probably. That's what the mayor of Chicago wants us to believe.

Them niggas killing each other because it's no affordable housing. My bad. Go ahead. Some of them got driveways, front yards, everything. My bad. Go ahead, baby, Dee. So there are people who get caught up in Rikos who have done no crimes. I don't know. niggas who got caught up in Rikos and did jail time over rap lyrics but have done no crimes but they're affiliated with a gang that is a real thing when they come to sweep your ass up in a RICO it don't matter if you ain't hold no one or you wasn't in a car with no gun or nothing like that. Yeah but if you're rep in that set yeah if you're rapping that set yeah okay so you can't sit up here and say well they're coming to him and they know he didn't really do

nothing they're not really going to lock him up yes the fuck they will really lock his ass he's part of the gang okay so you can't sit up if I'm part of you That's Army and I go to Afghanistan right now. You think they're going to see me in my uniform? I'm like, nah, but he never killed another al-Qaeda. They see me. They're smoking me too. I'm part of the game.

That's how it goes. When you put that suit on, when you rep that set, that means you rep everything that comes with that. That's what that's supposed to be. So if that's not you, cool, but don't rep it, though. And that's the problem. You want to rep something while it's cool, while it's safe. But then when they get real and you stand in front of that judge,

Oh yeah, nah, I don't got nothing to do with that You don't got nothing to do with that I don't got done to do with that But that's how we kept them niggas off your ass When you was out here and them niggas wanted to jump you and rob you That was the homies that that front line debt It held you down Yeah, but that wasn't just out of love

You was making money off. Out of love. Yeah, I love you. I'm not going to let these niggas put hands on you and take this jewelry off your neck You're not going to let niggas put hands on me Because you're protecting your investment This is not just out of love

This is not just out of love If you're my homeboy and you part of the gang Yeah I'm not going to let nothing happen to you Okay. Well, I don't want to talk about the interwarcan. But if something got it happened to you and I bust my gun, you didn't shoot. But if they come and sweep the whole block, what are you going to be like, nah, that was him?

What? But then again, with the YSL shit, like, that's where I think it was a little fucked up the position gunner was in because they, YISO really wasn't a gang. It was a record label. Not according to Gunner. I know, with the plea, you have to say that. So I hear, I hear you have to say anything. I hear your point. That's the other part of it is.

When you take a plea, you have to, that's the point of taking a plea, you have to say. what you're guilty of. I'm saying that technically they were from different... Gunna claim to be affiliated with Crips. Like, it wasn't gang shit. He signed to a record label. Like, I get that.

If I have a midlife crisis at 35 and go fucking come on and be hat, like, and then they all get a sweeped up in a RICO. I would be snitching if I said something. I decided to be part of y'all fucking gang. If I signed to a record label, no, I ain't part of your fucking gang. No, that's not.

That's not how that went. You can't do that. You can't do that. Well, first of all... That's where this shit is all wrong. And you cannot do that. Because I think, rest and peace, Irv Gotti, shout out to Chris Gotti we had on the pod.

Both of them taxpaying civilians. They were just trying to sweep preem up in some bullshit and then hit them with a Fed charge for laundering money. They didn't say a word. They went to court and beat the shit because it was... Of course, Chris and Irv were not laundering money for Supreme. They were just using that to try to get them to talk so it could jam Supreme up. That's what they did with this gun of shit.

They knew Gunner was not a criminal. They did that to try to get him and the talk. What's the key thing that Chris and Irv didn't do? They were the most stand up people ever in that entire thing. And they didn't do what? They didn't talk at all. They went to trial and they beat it. Exactly.

But I'm saying Gunna in that point was in a similar situation and took a plea deal that didn't affect not a single person. And you're saying that about Thug, Doug took a plea. Doug is on interrogation. The lines are so blurred with this whole YSL case that I can't look at Gunna and look at Thug and be like, oh, it's a difference here. And this is why I'm the conversation. Who's saying it's a difference though?

Oh, I thought you were saying with Gunner. I stopped thinking I didn't say that. Stop thinking if I said something I didn't say. Okay, I apologize. This is the conversation that I'm trying to have because I feel like we went off on a tangent. At the end of the day, all of us are taxpaying civilians. We don't understand exactly what's going on with these people's case. We don't fucking know.

Bringing back to the likability issue. that I think that Thug might be facing now as far as mainstream media, the culture, whatever. Not street shit, not nothing to have to go with his case. But the things that happened, the things that he might have tweeted while he was in jail, the things that he's tweeted or said when he was out of jail, Gunna's reputation suffered a little but did not suffer enough to affect his career. Thug has seemingly been picking on Gunna since he got out. he's been saying things about ratting.

He's been, and now these leaked phone calls are coming out. He's saying things about Kendrick. He's on the phone with 21 talking. I think that as far as his career, the conversation that we can have as far as where he goes from here or if he can be as successful as Gunna post a lockup is do people still like young thug? Yeah. And thank you for getting us back on track.

That was the point, too, of saying Gunna was not viewed that way because it didn't really affect. The plea didn't affect it because that's not how the public viewed him, and he was able to continue on. To everything DeMera said, Thug has been viewed a certain way through this whole trial, and now it looks a little different than how we viewed him through the entire thing.

So yes, likability in that regard is there. That shit ain't going to affect him at all. I also see that. I don't think anyone cares about sentient. I'm willing to be proven wrong, though. I'm open to being proven wrong. But I think right now that they don't hit, then I think Doug I think Thug had a likeability issue a little bit before this whole snitching allegation came about.

All he got to do is put out good music. That's all he got to do. No, I think Thug's likability was at its highest after the, you know, after he beat the case. He just, you know, and again, he was in jail. I'm not saying you got to hit the ground running and put out mad music right away. But his likability was at its peak. This, I think, has just shifted everything because you don't appear to be the person that we thought you were. when we were championing you when you beat the case.

None of this matters is what I'm saying. People don't care about it's interesting. They don't give a fuck. You put out good music. It's all it matters. I just, shit. Go back to 169 came out. Pull up, pull up the whole pod shit when I was trying to explain to y'all.

I saw these kids don't give a fuck. That's true. Everyone's arguing me down. I was arguing. You think these, you think the people that were fans of 6'9 give a single fuck about that entire shit. But that's the problem, though. And that's the problem with our culture, with black culture. That's one of the big problems with black culture.

It's shit like that. It's that we act like these things matter until we put in a position for us to stand behind it, mattering. And then when we don't, it's like, man, nobody care about that. I mean, but with entertainment, can you put that on a fan? Who's the fan? If I'm just, I'd say, only want to use it. Stug because again, I don't really know everything that is going on and if he is this, if he's that.

Who's the fan, though? If you're a fan of an artist and somebody, that artist then snitches, like, that's not, that person, I'm a fan because they entertained me. I'm not here for, I'm not in your friend circle or I can look at this shit and think it's wrong. But a young kid that's just a fan of an artist, like, he's just a fan. He doesn't even know about criminal shit. Oh, that type of sound.

You're talking about that type of thing. Yeah, me as a fan? No, not you. I'm saying, I'm going to me as a fan. The average, that's why I said. I said, I said, I think the fans of 6-9 give a fuck about that is what I was saying. No, for the most part, no. Yeah.

There's some people that never supported them again. I was one of those people. For saying. I was one of those people that was. And it was less, it was less about the snitch. It was more about what he did when he got out with the, like, the Nipsy Miro. Like, I just thought he was moving super goofy. Yeah, so, so it's, it depends on who you ask.

It wasn't a, which fans are you speaking to? Which fans are you asking? For the most part, no, most fans don't give a fuck. But you have some people that look at it like, man, that's crazy. I can never support that. Why? Because I have friends and family that were directly affected by people snitching on them that are directly incarcerated because somebody snitched on them. So yes, for me, as a fan of some of these people, it's a little different.

Because I've seen what that does. I've seen what snitching does to people. I've seen the position that puts people in. So, yeah, to me, people do that. no, I can't fuck with that. I'll never support that because, again, that's something that directly affected my family with people being incarcerated

and away from us because somebody snits. So, yeah, I don't take that lightly. And I'm fair and agree with you. And to close, I just think the majority, because hip hop has become the biggest genre in the world, a majority of fans that are driving to work every morning, they got kids, wives, they pay their taxes. They don't care.

Is the music good? Yeah, people. Then it's, that's all they care. People don't care. Like, that's all people be in. Doesn't affect, they have their own shit going on in their lives. That they're focused on. I just want to be entertained.

That's really where. People are going to have all these things and be upset. Y'all people don't give a fuck. They don't care. Like I said, we watched it. We're gonna, no people, people probably, the funny shit is it seems more people supported them after that. That's what's funny about the whole gun of shit.

It seems like he had more support coming out of that situation. Well, I think that's because more. visibility and it's free advertising. Not all good, not all advertising is, you know, I mean, there's no such thing as bad press, basically. Like, that's, that was an amazing, not amazing, but that was a big platform that he got because of that. Yeah. And everyone couldn't wait to hear from Gunna and the music ended up being great. So everyone's like, oh, this is cool. I just tell people this very simple. You can't be surprised about what people would do for their freedom when you see what they do for money. It's that simple. When you watch what people will do for money, that's going to tell you

everything they would do for their freedom. Fair. So we got to stop being surprised when things like this happened because it'd be right there in front of your face. Just look at the moves they make. Look at the things they do. You think that if somebody telling them, you're about to do 25 years, you think they're going to just be like, all, show me my bed?

It don't go like that. Not even in the movies, do it go like that. They don't even put that in the movies. That don't go like that. That don't go like that. Nah. Even. Denzel didn't wear glass.

throughout the entire American gangster shit. When he was facing life, he put on reading glasses. Yeah. And he started drawing up plays. He started, yeah. He had dumbtacks. Bro, niggas ain't trying to be behind that wall for 20 years, bro. That ain't for everybody.

Now, salute to the one. It's for nobody. Salute to the ones, not, because there are some. Like I say all the time, one of my best friends took 16. Could have came home and been with his dying mother. in our last days if he would have just cooperated and he did not.

So you're talking to somebody that firsthand has seen people take 15 years, 16 years on the chin and keep it moving. So yes, those people exist and salute to them. The highest salute to them. But we're not going to act

like the ones that cooperate don't exist either. And for me, I'm definitely not surprised when none of these niggas don't take that shit on the chin and keep it moving. I'm more surprised when they do.

Somebody's, that ain't surprised to me. I'm surprised when they don't snitch. That surprises me now. Like, oh, shit. He kept it real. He took it all away. Salute.

Yeah, but when they snitch, it's just like, oh, this is another one to add to the list. But the bottom line is nobody gives a fuck. Yeah. And there are still plenty of people that do actually still hold it down. Absolutely. 100%. Well, how do you feel about the kind of attacking, not attacking, but his words on Kendrick not doing features with rappers or certain rappers.

Again, a lot of those calls, to me, were just bored in jail. Just talking. Like, I know that was like the big bombshell and, of course, with Drake and Kendrick and all that type of stuff. But I think he just, you've had friends in jail. They just want to talk on the phone. Like, they just want to talk because they're bored. And I get it. And they just say shit.

Obviously, it's Kendrick's name. So that was like the one that people wanted to really look. Yeah, I just don't put too much. He didn't say nothing there that was surprising to me. Like, yeah, he's the why you don't want to do a feature? Like, yeah. Like, why wouldn't you want to do a feature with Thug? Like, and then now they go back to the record that,

part where I guess Kendrick is talking about Thug asking for a feature. I mean, I don't get it, man. It is what it is. But again, a lot of that is just, you know, I call it jail fatigue. You locked up, you're incarcerated. You got to talk to somebody. You want to just talk about anything. I don't really put too much stock in it because, again,

this is somebody that was incarcerated and was just wanting to talk. Yeah. Well, no, it's not about him saying. it, right? It's not some big bomb show that he said it. It's more about how do you, the topic at hand, how do you guys feel about certain rappers just refusing to, like a Kendrick who's looked at as an intelligent or intellectual rapper, right? This is what he's looked at, looked at as whether you he's trying to kick knowledge? He's kicking knowledge? No, I'm just saying, like, how do you feel about rappers like that not exactly leaning into working with what people will call the mumble rappers

or the trap rappers. I think Kodak is actually a great rapper, but I think people would still some of the... Kendrick worked on mumble rap. The beef started with a mumble rapper. With Future. Future is not a mumble rapper.

Future is the... He might be King mumble. He's kind of king mumble rap. What are you talking about? I don't know what future be saying. But Kendrick is... The gospel. A little bit different.

Kendrick has kind of become like the Chris Brown of of like, listen, let me, let me talk, let me talk so I can. Let me talk so that I can. When it comes to choruses, right, we all know that Chris Brown is the chorus king of R&B. Future has kind of

I don't know Chris Brown is the chorus king R&B. Everybody, when niggas need a hit, a top R&B hit, niggas throw Chris Brown in the court. Oh, that's just Chris Brown name being on the thing. Like, I don't know if he has the best hooks is what I'm saying. But it's Chris Brown. A feature, I don't get what Chris Brown is doing on the song that I have. Do whatever the fuck.

you want, sir. As long as I can put your name on it, I'm cool. Okay, but it's usually because Chris Brown makes very, like when he's singing a chorus, it becomes very catchy and he's kind of like it. I think, in my opinion, that future became that at one point for rap. When you want to make a song that doesn't sound too mumbledy bumblety rap, you put future on it or you get on a song with future and it's a little bit more mainstream. It might still be mumble rap, but it's a little bit more mainstream. Am I off by saying that? Am I crazy by saying that? No. And again, I don't think Future is mumble rap because mumble rap went so fucking far to mumbles that it makes future sound like Nas. So yeah, in the beginning, Future may have been the most popular quote unquote

mumble rapper, but they took those mumbles so goddamn far that Future is the most articulate rapper I've ever heard. I can hear everything he said. Out of all of them future elevated the most, right? Yeah. I'm a, I'm a key with it. real with you. I don't know what future will be saying half the time. Oh, no, me either. Maybe I'm just flowed now. I don't know what the fuck, but it sound good. It's a vibe. I'm like, this nigga floating. Like, the cadence is hard.

You know what I'm saying? But I don't know what the fuck future be saying 65% of the time. I might catch the last end of the ball. Oh, okay, I know what he just said there. But even even Thug of one of the greatest melodies ever, I don't want to do the fuck he said before that. Still. But it's incredible. But I also don't think Thug is a

mumble rapper. Yeah, they have mumble moments, but Doug ain't a mumble rapper, nor his future. But I mean, they, don't listen to my collection by future. I ain't a fucking mumble in there. It's just John chapter 316 throughout that whole fucking thing. Yeah, okay. But to bring the point back, right,

when we said that Kendrick did a feature with a mumble rapper, right, which we all know what all of that stuff was about. As far as like hopping on like songs, like how, like, for example, Cole was quicker to hop on certain songs, with certain people. That isn't really Kendrick's bag. So do you think that they have an obligation, if they're trying to further where hip hop is going,

they have an obligation to kind of like co-mingle with the people who are hotter in those areas? I mean, I don't know, Kodak narrated a whole Kendrick album. Okay. He's done that. And Kendrick has worked with Rich the Kid. He's worked with people that I guess. Kendrick just didn't want to give Thug a wig.

He just didn't want to give Thug a verse. He just wasn't jacking thug. That's all. And that's fine. And I understand why Thug was on the phone talking like that. Like, why he don't want to do a, give me a feature. Like, you don't want to do no feature on no superstar? Like, I understand what thugs, how he felt in that moment too.

Do we have the timeline of when that was, though? No, I mean, we don't. The cause? No, I don't think they told us. Because that, to me, would be more key in this entire thing. Yeah, if you're going to leak these, if y'all going to put these audio recordings out, at least give us the dates. I mean, we can assume a lot of these calls may have been pre-pre-beef.

But even at that point, when Drake was doing, the video when Thug was locked up. And I think there's two Drake records on that Thug album, business business. The theory that Kendrick was plotting for a bit, I can see Kendrick turning down a Thug first and splitting all enemies ahead of time. Like, I see Drake and Thug have a crazy relationship. If he was plotting the way a lot of the OVO standpages and everyone says, yeah, I can see him not giving Thug a verse at that time because he was, he was planning

what was going to happen next year. I could see it. Or, Kendrick was just busy. Or like, yeah, it could be nothing at the end of the day. Or Kendrick just didn't want to give him a feature. That's, I mean, this is not like, we're not trying to, like, create fire. Like, this is, like, he just didn't want to give Thug a feature. Like, okay.

Or this shit, Thug sent him. he probably maybe didn't like. It was a million reasons. But again, I didn't think that was really that, that crazy as far as those calls and everything. But, I mean, I guess while we're here, I hate to admit that I enjoyed, I'm just going to say quietly,

I enjoyed the Bobby and Drake interview. You enjoyed what? Say that again? Huh? I didn't say anything. See that again? I didn't say anything. What was enjoyable about it? I don't think punch going to like that. No, what he said was, if you couldn't hear him. He said he enjoyed the Bobby Altoff and Drake.

I was talking about Bobby Brown. It was a separate time. Oh, different Bobby. Shout to Bobby. He just got his masses back for Don't Be Cruel. Oh, did he? Yeah. Oh, congrats. That's crazy. Yes. Bobby Brown. Did you watch the

Bobby Altoff? I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that in Drake interview. I see, I don't believe you. I feel like you edited. No, I didn't. I watched the clip. It's funny. I didn't watch the full like. I watched the whole. a bunch of clips, though.

It was entertaining. I still stand on... I'm gonna watch it. I didn't watch it yet, though. I still stand on wanting to hear from Drake, as well as Kendrick, as well as Cole. I want to hear from them with... Black faces? No, not necessarily.

Black people. If all three of them, pop, pause want to sit with me in my white face, I'd be happy to. I'm just saying... When they're hitting with the culture. I'll be all tough as in the culture. Don't do that, because Elliot dissed us over the weekend and everyone called me and said we was beefing. Elliot dissed who?

I saw that. Ellie did too, me? Nah. I saw it. Whoever tweeted it was... Elian just me? Was very misleading in the... I didn't see it.

What do you say? All you podcasters and media men, you're rappers the term media man. I'm a radio guy. You all are media men. You had your dream come true. We all the same motherfuckers were the same. Elias journalism thing means nothing. Rob Markman means nothing.

Jeremy Hex means nothing. Your podcaster, your former rapper, you're all media man. I'm a media personality. I'm not a journalist. want to talk about Cardi's album no more because the nigger, you signed up for the gig. The gig is the gig. You barely can talk to artists.

They want to know what you think about everything. We're doing the same goddamn thing. You want to call yourself a former, I'm still an artist. I'm a media man. I'm a podcaster, a radio personality. I'm a journalist like, we're in the same gang, motherfucker. We're in the same game.

My nightmares come true. We're in the same game. You know what? We're on the same thing. Whenever you crash out, you sound like you just got off the subway. You know, I see this. Same game, motherfucker. I don't care if you're mall.

I don't care if you're Fad Joe, I'll name names. Your opinion does matter because that's the platform. Your audience wants your opinion on things. You don't conveniently get to drive up because I'm not qualified. I'm not a journalist. We have the mics. We're all talking. We're all the same thing.

We're all the same media man. Oh, because I said I'm not going to, I don't feel comfortable talking about about Cardi B music because she don't, I don't feel like she makes it for me. But that's real, though. I don't feel comfortable about talking about anybody that I know didn't make anything that I'm not their audience, their target audience. That's kind of like... But his point...

That's not me being honest. I thought that was me being honest in real. A journalist has to speak about everything in the world. No, they fuck they know. That's the problem. No, you don't. No, the fuck you don't. No, you don't.

Nobody in the world needs to speak on everything. Journalists are not. You do not need to be speaking on everything. And yes, I stand on that. I don't feel comfortable sitting here talking about Cardi B's music because I know she doesn't make music for me. What's wrong with that? I feel like that's being honest in real.

Unlike some of these other niggies that got mics and their face and just talking. Yeah, I don't feel comfortable talking about Cardi music, whether I like it or not. Y'all know how I'm coming about Cardi. I fuck with Cardi. Big Bronx shit. I want to see her do anything that she put her mind to. I want her to be successful.

But I don't feel comfortable sitting here talking about her music and saying I don't like it because I know Cardi ain't going in the booth laying down bars with niggas like me and mine. So you know what I'm saying? So yeah, duh, and her voice, duh, nigger, you're not supposed to like it. I wasn't, I wasn't spinning these bars for you. So yeah, I don't. I don't feel right sitting here saying I don't like a Cardi record.

I don't because I know she ain't making it for me. And so yeah, shut up, Elliot. And to me, that is what does disprove Elliot's point that he was making because I think that is a form of journalism of what Mall just did. Be honest? Yes, that is a form of journalist. Journalists should be honest. Integrity.

Journalists should have integrity. And none of you niggas got more integrity to me. Cardi is obviously a-lister in hip-hop. So she's going to get brought up. And I think you didn't avoid it. It's not like we just stayed quiet about Cardi. Yeah. I just feel like that's the whole statement itself.

I'm not talking about the shit because it ain't for me. It's not for me, but I love Cardi. Shout out to Cardi, but I don't feel right saying I don't like a Cardi record. Like, I ain't supposed to like. That's like me saying I ain't like Cardi's outfit. Niggas she put that on hoping I would like it. Like to me, I look at the same vein. Like that doesn't, that's not for me.

It's funny too because Drake did bring up, I guess, something in that vein with the Bobby interview. in regards to him sitting with her rather than certain journalists. The goal is not to be an unattainable dickhead for your whole life and only speak to Zane Lowe while you ask you the most curated questions. And I mean, complex, not to say they took Drake, misquoted him, but there was more context to what he was suggesting. He more or less was saying that artists can also go, like Nikki going to Kai, somebody that usually does not speak to people is still allowed to go to

something that's not this formal fucking thing. And he said no disrespect to Zane Low as well. He didn't dis Zane. I understood what he was saying, but it kind of goes back to our conversation that we've had a million times when it comes to this topic. I think there can be a balance of both. Yeah. Nikki and Kai being a example that Drake brought up or even Drake and Bobby, because he's saying that they ushered in the idea of it. I just want to balance as a fan. I'm speaking strictly as a fan. I want to balance.

You don't think there's a balance? Has Drake not sat down with other people before? No, no. Of course. I'm not making this a break. He was talking about artists overall. I think there's been a lack of that with A-less artists. And a shit, a good amount of artists, period,

that they can just go do the fun thing and avoid everything that people. people may want to know on the side, but they're also humans. They don't owe us that. I'm just speaking as, that's what I was waiting for. Yeah, of course they don't. Does Drake owe me any explanation for anything that's life? Not you, but I'm saying some people speak as if he does. And he does not. But as a fan of music, I can also say, I would love to hear from him with somebody that's going to ask questions and receive answers that I want to know. That's all. I think that's fine. reason why I never understood why people get upset about shit like this is because number one,

he sat down with people, plenty of people before. Yeah, but it's different now. He sat down in the whole barbershop with LeBron and the guys. He sat down with Elliot a couple times. Had Elliot in his living room, which I thought was. He sat down with a bunch of people. He said down with a bunch of people. But that was at a time we wanted to, that's why that RAP radar interview was so great outside of BDOT and Elliot doing a great job on it. It was he addressed, he addressed, he addressed meat shit, he addressed the push of shit, he addressed the kid shit and all of that. And all of that. You don't see why now things will be different for Drake and who he decides to sit next to and talk to? For sure, but I'm not trying to make this a Drake thing.

I'm going off what Drake was saying about ushering in this idea of all artists kind of going this route to some degree now. Yeah, they don't want to sit down with the same old, same old. They don't want to sit down and have the same curated conversations. They'd rather sit down with somebody that knows them in a different light, has more of a personal connection to them, and they could have a fun, cool conversation. Well, Kai and Nikki didn't know each other at all. Well, no, it was fun to watch them together. But it was just polar opposite worlds.

It was two different. So it's like, okay, but he's saying that I made it cool for it not to be the same old formal sit down type of thing where you go and sit down with these people that have, again, these curated questions and these conversations, it's like people don't want to do that all time. Yeah, I understand it. But these same people that they're saying, oh, we want them. They've sat down with these people before and had conversations with them. But everyone's speaking specifically based off what has happened. Yes, because everybody wants to hear from Drake now. Everybody wants to ask him about the beef and what happened.

Of course. We get it. But do people not understand how he would not ever want to sit down with any of you niggas again? For sure. Nobody sees that in this equation? Of course. Oh, okay. That's all I'm asking.

How are people so surprised? Again, and being completely objective in this, I liked to Kendrick shit with Cizzer, but I still want to hear from Kendrick. I want Kendrick to see somebody. Like, I have questions. questions. It's not just him. You have questions now. Cole, I have questions. Yeah. Yeah. Why would, that's not a weird thing for a fan to want. No, I'm not saying it's weird. I'm just saying it's weird for fans to not understand why Drake doesn't want to sit next to none of these people. I mean,

that's to me, that's weird. But I don't think fans don't not understand and also. No, they don't care. Yeah, no, they don't care. It's not, it's not that they don't understand. And honestly, I'm not, I don't think that the fans are crazy for things. thinking that there's a little bit of a dodge of not wanting to talk about certain things. Yes, we want to do more fun interviews and curated interviews can be boring, this, this and that. But there's also so many different types of creators who have a different interview type platforms that before Bobby Altoff became the thing, or honestly before Drake made her the thing. Like there's other people who aren't the traditional people or people that Drake might have felt

stabbed him in his back during this beef, newer, younger people who are, you know what I'm saying, who are doing things that he can also sit with, but who would also ask him questions? They might not be super curated, but who would also ask him certain questions that I just don't think that he's prepared to answer. So I just don't want it to, oh, I just one second, I don't want it to just be, I just, one second, I don't want the conversation to just be, Drake is just wants to do fun stuff and he also doesn't want to sit with fake niggas. there is also the point of there's certain shit when it comes to that battle because of the outcome of it and things like that that Drake just doesn't want to talk about. That's okay. But that doesn't mean that people... Why do you say he doesn't want to talk about it?

What I'm saying is that people are assuming that he doesn't want to talk about it. Let me... Let me say this. People's assumptions, people's assumptions and what is are two different things. You can have a safe assumption that when you just throw small little comments on streams, anytime you do the steak shit when you talk with Aden because he made little shots in the Bobby shit too it's like

it's like the first time you saw Marlowe in the wire and do had the gun to the head he said do it or don't but I got shit to do like either talk about it or shut up about it is I think how a lot of fans feel

yeah but the fans don't make it's an entitlement thing but fans are entitled I'm an entitled I'm an entitled fan sometimes too but again that's again that's a problem though because on one hand

you're entitled but on the other the hand, we know no matter who he sits down with, no matter what questions he asks, no matter what answers he gives, people are still going to have a problem. Sure. So what the fuck is the rush to, like what are we talking to rush? No, but what does the fans rush to want him to sit down with whoever they want to sit around with? When this guy announced, I said he wanted to what does it matter. I think he eventually is going to do a real interview with somebody. Of course he is. But when he wants to. Yeah. No, I think when the album comes, they'll do that. When he wants to.

So I don't understand. I actually like enjoyed the interview. I also don't think that I don't think when the album comes that he'll sit and talk about that. I actually don't think he'll ever talk about that. I don't, I didn't say ever, but I don't think that when the album comes, I don't think he'll talk about it. I could be wrong. I'm not, I do not know Drexbine, but I don't think he will. I mean, he doesn't need to. Like, he doesn't need to use that as a rollout, quote unquote.

Like, that clearly he doesn't need that. But if you don't think that he's going to sit down one day in the dress, I mean, I think he said it at the end of the thing. Didn't he say like, like, are we going to get to that? I'm going to see you guys. So he basically is letting it be known that, oh, we're going to get to that. Well, I thought that was for the album. Yeah, I assumed he was. No, he said, I'm going to see you guys.

Yeah. Yeah. He wasn't talking about through the music. Okay. Okay. Well, what everybody is assuming is that that was a teaser for the album. Yeah, I thought that. He doesn't need it to the album.

We know the album was coming. No. That was, I'm on tour right now. Because I think, didn't Bobby ask him something about why is he doing the U.S. tour? And he was like, well, I just. finished the U.S. tour when the whole thing started. I was still on tour, actually, when that thing started.

And now I'm on a European tour. But we're going to do that. He's going to get back to tour in the U.S. Like, my thing is people are just so, he needs to sit down with this person. Why does it matter? He can sit down with whoever y'all wanted to sit down with. No matter what he says,

I can promise you there's going to be a million videos uploaded after the interview saying, oh, why didn't he address? Oh, I think he's lying about that. He didn't feel that way about that. I mean, I understand. It doesn't matter. But he's not special in that regard because that's what every celebrity, every single time a celebrity opens their mouth and they have a certain amount of popularity, anything that they say is going to be either clickbaited or turned around or used for a headline. Like that's just part of being a celebrity.

But I think the conversation that people are having is you're sitting up there talking about certain things with someone that is not of the culture because they don't even know what questions to ask you. And I think that that is the backlash that may be coming from that. Doing an interview with Bobby Altoff is fine. Like, I don't think anybody has a problem with him doing that. It's just you doing, your attention is going to Bobby Altoff and Aidan Ross and all of these people who are not of the culture of music that kind of really birthed your career. So I think that that may be what people have issue with. I don't think it's that he's doing interviews with them. I think that it's because he's only doing interviews with them.

when there are plenty of young black creators or, you know what I'm saying, and things like that or streamers or things like that. All right. You strike me as an intelligent woman. Do you think that that's purpose? That's on purpose that you're doing that? I don't give my opinion on Drake anymore. But I don't know my opinion on Drake anymore.

But I do think that because I don't. The same answer you gave with the cardy shit. I'm stealing that. Yeah. I'm so cool. Anything I say about Drake will be used against me in a court of law. But what I will say is this. I think that Drake is.

I think it's very, very, very, very, very, very smart. And I think that he likes a certain level of control when it comes to things. And I think if he's not ready to talk about something, it will not be talked about and he will not be asked about it. And I think that that is what is going on. I don't think that there's anything wrong with it. But yes, yes. To answer your question, yes, that's on purpose. Yes, that's on purpose.

Yeah. So, I mean, I just, you know, again, people being upset. because he's not sitting down with whoever. I just, I don't remember a time again, I'm a little older than y'all. Not once during the whole Pock Biggie beef did I ever say,

yo, this nigga Pock need to sit down with this person and talk about this person and talk about that. I don't give a fuck to hear about none of these niggas talk about a rat beef. Well, okay, don't do that

because the Jay and not shit, Jay sat with Angie. You could find that on YouTube now. But who said he, who was sitting around saying, yo, Jay got to sit down with Angie and talk about this. Who was saying that?

Nobody even cared about shit like that. Well, this is also new shit. It comes to like... You fucking media outlets at the time. Nobody had... But I'm saying even when it was, wasn't nobody waiting... But you don't think anyone wanted to after Ether?

Nobody wanted to hear from Hove. Of course. No, we wanted to hear records. We wanted to hear bars. Nobody was asking for an interview. This interview shit wasn't like... This is a whole new world with this interview shit. This is no.

Interviews have been being young. I know how to have been being young. I was 13 years old. Nobody cared about energy. We were doing when Jay sat with Angie Of course you did. Of course you did. Of course you did.

But before it happened, you wasn't at home in Queens saying Jay-Z needs to sit down and talk to somebody about this beef. You wasn't saying that. No, when the interview came out, when the interview came out, you listen to it. You listened to it. Because you didn't have to beg for the interviews. You didn't have to bet. You didn't have to say this needs to happen. This needs to happen because you knew that it would happen. No, you didn't.

There wasn't even a thought. Trust me, I was really outside. Nobody was thinking about an interview. You niggins wanted to hear raps. Okay. Even though you're right, I was not sitting there going, Jay needs to talk to Angie. But you don't think that Hove thought in his mind

with all of the fans that hurt Ether and the chatter that was going around the entire country, I need to go sit with Angie. I'm not saying. Because that's what he was thinking. If it wasn't a thing that people wanted, you wouldn't have fucking done it. That's not true.

He was sitting there like, listen, listen. First of all, the way. He was dishonest through the whole fucking thing, too. It was purposeful. First of all, the way the thing ended, Jay gave a reason of why he was back

out of the thing. His mom had stepped to him. He didn't like the energy. So it was a whole thing. But nobody, nowhere on no block, was saying, yo, I can't wait for the Jay-Z interview when he talks about this. I can't wait for the BDC or the Jada kiss interview when they talk about

their B. Okay. This is a whole new thing with rap now. Okay. You want to hear interviews about me to talk about the rabbiardom. Nobody cares about that. You're talking about Jay-Z wasn't on stake doing a stream every goddamn night. Of course he wasn't. Because he wasn't in a So number one, first of all, there's multiple things.

Number one, like Roy just said, that's what I'm saying. The times have changed and we consume more media and we expect more out of our celebrities, right? Whether that's good or bad, whatever, that's one thing. Number two is just because the niggas on the block weren't waiting for the interview does not mean that music journalists. The culture wasn't waiting for the interview. But who does, so, have we figured out what culture is yet? Me?

Yeah, I know exactly what culture. Okay. It's a classic. That's convenient because we've asked before, nobody knew. but people who care about music journalism because that has also always been a thing just because it was not your thing. That has also always been a thing. There were people who waited for the interviews that came out in the source who weren't just

there for the pretty pictures and the fat and the ads. There were people who waited for shit like that. There were people who really cared about shit like that. That's how the blog era was beefed. I mean, was born from people who were in love with shit like that. So yes, people did care about those things. No, niggas on the block. No, they might have just wanted to hear.

Yes. interviews are always a thing. Media made the pop the big shit what it was. The vibe cover is what popped the whole shit off. It was media. It was POC doing an interview. I'm not saying that interviews weren't always a... Matter of fact, Angie scrapped one because everyone to hear from POC, he said...

I'm not saying that interviews weren't always a part of culture and music and things like that. Yes, artists have always given interviews. Yes, I understand that. What I'm saying is coming out of a beef with another artist, another rapper, nobody was asking or saying, yo, this person needs this artist needs to say. down and talk about this. That wasn't a thing until now. And I understand, times have changed. What I'm saying is you can't expect an artist to do the things that or sit down with who you want them to sit down with, when you want them to sit down with, especially coming

out of a situation that this particular artist is coming out of and not try to understand, well, damn, I can see why he ain't he doing his own thing and moving how he want to, he don't give a fuck about the culture anymore because he sees what the culture tried to do to him. Are people not missing that part? At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Drake is going to do whatever the fuck he wants to do. And he has the freedom to do that.

He doesn't owe us anything. He's giving us so much. He doesn't owe us shit. He doesn't want to be a culture vulture anymore. So he said I want a white girl. Okay. He doesn't have to, he doesn't have to give us. He doesn't have to give us anything.

It's actually funny. He's tired of being a culture vulture. So he sits down with the white girl. That's actually pretty funny. I'm just saying, no? It's funny. Oh, okay. Okay.

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app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Moving forward, are we doing, are we doing voicemail? No, we have to talk about Flex. Oh, yeah. Hey, Flex, what you doing to Enough, man? What's up over there? I don't like that. That's not no New York shit.

Actually, that is New York shit he doing. Yeah. There's definitely some New York shit he doing. I mean, I want to start by saying Enough and Camillo, absolute fucking legends. Thank you for your service and everything that's- a family right there. You have been nothing but a, both of them,

a huge part of my entire life in every aspect. Radio parties, breaking records, mixed it, like everything. I don't think I've ever been to a party uptown that Camilla wasn't DJ. Yeah, like, it's like cheers when he's DJing. It's the best. But flexing this wrestling shit is just getting a little too much for me. When you say wrestling shit, what do you mean? Flex has always been very much the wrestler-type DJ personality.

Even not, did we talk, was it Patreon or last episode when it was announced that it was his last, show and then we just found out, no, you're just extending your slot. Like, it's not your last show. Flex is just getting too old for that type of marketing for me. Because again, back to the Drake thing I want to hear from somebody, I listen to Flex's last show. And I heard his entire story of the enough thing. And all he did was say a whole bunch of fucking nothing. You didn't address anything.

You did this whole wrestling marketing plan and then gave us absolutely nothing. There's nothing there. just say that Hot 97 is downsizing and firing everybody. Like they're just merging all the time slots. Well, Flex obviously has seniority there. He's probably been at Hot 97 more than probably the CEO at this point. I mean, for sure. Right?

So he's had, he had, and if you know, you know, flexing enough have their history. For sure. Over the years, you know that they're not the best of friends. you know, I guess it's just a work kind of work relationship type of thing under the same umbrella with Hot 97. But I mean, is enough wrong for feeling like Flex wanted him out? In my opinion, no, he's not wrong for that. He's probably right.

Yeah. I think because if you know enough, he's not the type of person that's going to even put that out there unless he feels like there is some credence to what he's feeling. Enough being the great guy that I know. I was shocked he even talked to TMZ when he walked out because he's not that type of dude whatsoever. So yes, I think in his heart of hearts, he fully believes that that Flex

was the reason that he was cut. But so is the rest of T's T's Tories out. Like they're extending, I listen to Ebro in the morning this morning. All of them didn't even get an email that their show was being extended. Everything changed over there. I don't think Flex is the main person

making those calls, but yes, I think he's higher up enough to be like, all right, we'll scrap enough here. If we need to downsize, these are the people, I think we should take out. If you need to meet your nut every month and we can't afford all these salaries, yeah, these are the people I would say we should clip.

So yeah, I think it's there, but I also don't think Flex bust into an Emmis communication office and was like, let's fire all these people. I think Emma said we don't have money like that anymore. People need to go, Flex, you are on the creative side of this. Who would you cut? And I think he made some calls, which may have some personal attention behind it, for sure.

But even, again, I listened to Ebro in the morning. I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm just saying how I, as a listener of you guys, took your comments about Flex. I don't think he was disinflex, but he more or less said, flex will play the corporate game no matter what. And not everyone in the building does that.

Whoever the corporate person that is there, Flex will cuddle up under them. I won't use the term shuck and job because it has a very bad past. But that's what he was saying. That's what Ebro was saying. Flex has always been that person since the inception of Hot 97.

And he will continue to do that no matter who is in charge there, who is doing what, and enough is not that person. Ebro is probably in a good middle ground of that. Like, of course, he'll play the game. Everyone plays the game to some degree. but flexes the

like the leader of I will do whatever corporate wants for me in this teacher's pet and I was shocked Ebro was giving it up like that I give I give Ebro Rosenberg Laura everyone up there

credit because they talked about all the budget cuts new studios this and that like they gave it up this morning they didn't just sit there and be like yo it's all good they said it was fucked up and they said they don't even know if we're going to be here Like, we don't know what we're doing

because we don't play the game. Like Flex plays the game. Flex's going to be there forever. Yeah, no, Flex, yeah. He's going to be a hot 97 for long after you and I are going. And it's off the record. We're on a podcast.

Elliot, we're not journalists. This is off the record that's recorded. I also think there's a big lawsuit coming with All Radio. All radio? I think there's a huge lawsuit. and I think it's not directly with some of the firing and downsizing that's happening, but I think there is a very, very big lawsuit coming within the music industry and radio specifically.

Why? I don't know how much I can say yet. I don't know how much I can say it. Why? I say it. I just think that there is some type of way of RICO and money laundering going on with radio and the music business. That's all I'm saying. All right.

So you know the same thing. So you heard this too. I think some shit is going down. And I think enough. Rock Nation! You are crumbo! I think it is a blessing that enough and Camillo got the fuck out of there. I think this shit is going down.

I don't know if it's going to be this year. Something is afoot. This year and next year, whenever it will be. Something's coming. since we'll be on the fire though. We'll not do that. Yeah, man.

The government, yo, y'all should have kept the Italian mafia going, man, because they took the RICO shit. It's cleaning time, man.

They put RICO on every fucking person. I'm saying? Yeah, man. And then when I was hearing about this, I was like, damn,

that's a beautiful way to money launder. Man. No wonder radio pays out better than streaming. Man, you know? It's just, you know, got to see the book sometime, that's all. But this is just entertainment purposes.

This is off the record. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Literally, I was outside the office. Somebody told me this shit that was passing by. I know nothing, I promise you, I know nothing about, I'll even take my glasses off for this one. I know nothing about the case. Yeah.

I'm just speculating because that's what we do on podcast because we're not journalists. And none of this shit is real. We are just bullshitting. I just hope everybody has been saving their money. Yeah. That is all. because this shit is going to get nuts. But do we have voicemails?

You've got mail. Obviously sponsored by Boost. Like, it just a weight of me just leaves off sometimes knowing that I'm not in a Rico. Yeah. You sleep good at night. Yeah. Somebody in the niggas lay down and they feel like they're laying on sneakers. Yeah.

Sometimes you're not a street dude. I'm a civilian. Nah, but you're not building. You might be in a Rico, bro. Yeah. You take us some money that maybe you shouldn't take it. Yeah, yeah, we're going to get to that. Don't worry.

We're going to get to it. Hi, guys. I'm the girl who hates her cousin. I'm calling back because do I sound young? I'm 26. And I feel like that's young, but also, like, I think it's old because, like, fucking health insurance. But.

Facts. I just want to say she was on some weirdo shit, and it was over a nigga. So maybe I'm childish. But this shit happened years ago. and she has never apologized, and the bitch maintained weird during her crash out after I confronted her. So I was talking to a nigger after I graduated high school. So I was like going away to college, coming back to my town, like all that type of shit. But I was like very casually fucking with the nigger.

Like I knew I didn't want to be with this nigger, but I also was like he's fine as fuck. And I thought he was fine for ages. So like, why not? And I also found out he was literally best friends with my cousin that I do fuck with. I'm gonna call her Shan. I found out he was like best friends with her boyfriend. So I was like, oh, bad. We gone on a two woman or whatever to fuck.

And so I'm fucking with him. I'm telling Rue, I'm gonna say that's the cousin I hate, Roo. I'm telling her intimate details like, oh, yeah, like blah, blah, blah, blah. And shit like that. And the whole time the bitch was like buying him shit trying to like link up. I'm like, you had your chance with the friend. We matched up three to three. Why are you pushing up on my?

So I, like, I confront to her, told her she won't shit. And she never apologized. So I don't like her. Bye. Oh, so I'm always right. I'm always right, baby, dude. Yeah. Can you guys like fully remind me of the exact backstory?

It was the girl that hated her. Remember, she hated her cousin. Her family will always put out on the phone with her. And she'd like, am I wrong? Because I'd get that girl to fuck off the phone. Yep. Yeah. It was over it.

I'm always right. It was over a nigga. I must not got it like that. Which, I mean, relax. I know I don't. You don't need to. Okay. Cool.

Like, I've never had two women fighting from one buying me shit. Like, I'm just not that ill. How do you get to the status? It's not. Because I'm not even concerned about their cousin relationship. I'm concerned about how this guy got to pull that off. About fucking with toxic women. So that's what I need to do.

Yeah. Okay. No, you just got to, I mean, get your aura up. Get your aura up is funny. Because how do you do that? If it's. It's not on you. you were saying you.

You gotta get your aura up. If you don't walk in the room, you gotta buy crystals off Amazon. Yo, girl telling you to get your aura up. Yo, get your aura. When you walk in the room, do it like, does it like change the energy in the room? Hmm.

You don't think I have that? I'm asking you, what you think about yourself. It starts with self, Rory. Pete said depressive energy. I walk in the room and just suck the life out of it. Yeah, yeah. Everyone's feeling like, ugh. You don't like the room?

were you walking? I think with my friends and family, I light the room up. If I were to just walk. That's because they know you're depressed. They're trying to light me. Yeah, they're trying to light you up. You know, lighten up. Yeah, you're like, hi, Rory. How are you today? They don't want to make too much noise and get you, you know what I'm saying? Your sensory going off. Like, they want to make sure everything's, you know what I mean? Sensories are very important. Yes, they are. And I can be overstimulated very easily. Yes. They know. Your family knows. Sometimes I have to do this. Yes. But I think, nah, I think I do I in a room. Okay. Okay.

It starts with self. Has anybody ever? But no, it's usually false because when I walk in a room, I'm usually the only white person, and I think that's why people are looking. I don't think it's like, yo, you have this good energy. Everyone is like just looking like, oh, okay. Roy, if you walk in a room and you're usually the only white person, that is by choice, because we're in America.

No, I know. I'm just saying room experiences that I've had where I think maybe I do have an aura because people look or pay attention when I walk in a room. I think it's just really my complexion. Okay. You're probably saying, hey, it's 92 degrees outside. What's that ginger doing here? Yeah, pretty much. Or is that a police officer? Is that a narc? Have you ever seen Rory into a room? Somebody know him? Have you ever seen Rory into a room, though? Like, you don't like. You're asking me if I've ever seen. I've known Rory for probably 15 years. Like, do you pay attention to how he enters the room? Does he enter the room like fucking Kramer and Seinfeld?

I don't know. Roy enters every room. He could be at the front door. Roy will enter room like this. Facts. Where are you looking at? Facts. Oh, that's the socially awkward shit, though.

Yeah, yeah. That's him being just socially awkward, though. That's the energy of I don't want anyone to see me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're trying to be like, please don't see me. So then that's why I said, like, get your aura up. Like, that's not orific. That's my aura.

Like, all right, so I should have a fake aura to try to attract fake people. No, I'm just saying if you- Pretend to be somebody else. So that I'm not, that speed walking through the wrong. I'm not buying him shit. Like, you're saying,

like you don't have buy a niggas shit energy. Like, you got to get that type of aura. You asked us and we're telling you how. Demaris, you know a handful of women that I've, allegedly. Ran into, we'll call it.

Exchange that dinner with. Exchangeed energy. Intangled. Dinner. What do you tell me every single time when I'm like, I didn't think that girl liked me like that. And what do you say? That girl was absolutely in love with you.

I have the greatest aura of all fucking. Any girl that enters my world is now. Right. Man. It's usually women with daddy issues. He loves those types of women. You know your father? Yeah.

Not for me. No, I don't do that. I mean, I'll do, I, that's definitely, you definitely ask women, do they love their dad? You love your dad? Well, I'm just curious. Like, I haven't spoke to him in like 15 years. Do you all? I ask women about their relationships with their father?

Of course. Mm-hmm. Yeah. All my long-term relationships. Well, with their family. I don't just say you had a relationship with their father. I say with your family. Like, what's your relationship with your family?

Like, as soon as they get to saying, yeah, you know, I don't really, my mom ain't cool. You mean, my mom ain't cool? Why? I just don't fuck with that bitch. Whoa. Check? You refer to your mom as a bitch. got to go. I don't want no part of a woman that refer to her mom as a bitch.

All exceptions to the rule. But that can be misleading sometimes because I've definitely dealt with women that have both their parents are still married, still in love. Great. Healthy relationships, yeah. And they still. Oh, yeah. Out of their fucking minds. Like, no, they're the worst people. Their uncle molested them. You got to ask them out their uncles. Oh, my God. It's usually an uncle or cousin. My bad. What happened? No, I also think that women who had both parents in their lives, especially like daddy's girls. I also think that, I think daddy's girls be terrible.

people. Like, as a terrible person, as a daddy's girl. Like, I think they, we'd be terrible people. As far as what? Because I think there's a little bit of entitlement. It's like, like, the insecurities that come with certain things we don't have. And I think sometimes insecurities might make you a little bit better of a person or like at least better of a girlfriend because it's just kind of like, like, I know I'm good without you regardless. And it makes me not stand for like certain shit. Like, if I'm around it's because I want to be around. Like, I don't need you to like validate you to like validate me. That should always be the case, though. Yeah. Like, I don't need you to validate me.

Should you want to be around somebody because you want to be around? Not because you need to be around. Yeah. But even in that way, it's, there is some entitlement of where you feel like you don't need to work in this relationship because you don't need this relationship. Like work should always be with your partner. Yeah. But yeah, a lot of daddy's girls will be like, well, my dad will take care of everything.

No matter what in my life, my dad will take care of everything. And it's like, that's not, you're not a relationship with your pop. Yeah, but I could teach her things that a daddy can't teach her though. You see what you're saying? You feel me? Stop. Maybe your uncle told her. I'm just saying I'm not horny at all.

My shit is small right now. I'm not horny at all. His aura is very dim. I'm not horny at all, baby. At all, you know what I'm saying? I'm chilling. I'm just saying like, you know, when daddy's girls get to talking like that,

it's like, yeah, but our relationship and your dad's relationship is two totally different relationships. I love the fact that you're a daddy's girl because you know serious shit you ain't going for from men. I respect that. But you also got to understand. that our dynamic is totally different, though.

That's all. I love when women have great relationships with their dads. What with their family, period? When they have great relationships with their dad, because they, yes, they're not going to stick around for bullshit, but why would I even be presenting bullshit? You get what I'm saying? Like, so it's like, yeah, I love the fact that you.

But when you're a daddy's girl, you have certain things that you do. Like, you know, you're, you know how to cater and make sure that the man of the house is comfortable. You understand what I'm saying? Like, that's what daddy's girls are. They know how to make a house of home. Nah. Nah.

What? Them, that be them sing, nah, the girls with the single mom girls, they be ones that be catering. Daddy's girls, they know how to make a house of home. They understand because they watch their mom

cater to their dad and make their dad love on their dad and- Not exactly because you could be a daddy's girl. Your parents, like my parents broke up when I was 14. I'm still a daddy's girl. Like my parents didn't have to stay together for me to like,

be a daddy's girl. If you're in a relationship with a man, are you catering to him in the home? Yes, but it has nothing to do with my dad. That has everything to do with my mom. But you see what I'm saying? Like, that has like, that has nothing to do with my dad. That's just the way that the women and my family were. They were very male-centered. So growing up, it was about everything was about making men comfortable. My father was a household. My father was a terrible person and helped me become a terrible person. Like, that's why I was saying some daddy's girls be terrible.

Wait, your dad helped you become a terrible person? Yeah. When it comes to a certain thing, when it comes to certain things in relationships, it's kind of like, yeah. It's kind of like there's a ego thing. There's an ego thing of you're the greatest thing that's ever happened to me. So therefore you're the greatest thing that's ever happened to the world. And then you go out into the world and you act like that, which is something that I'm working on. But you go out into the world and you act like that.

You all gift to the world. Oh, I know I am. Yeah. I'll give to you niggas too. That's a fact. And every other thing that comes into my life. But there has to be a certain reign on that when you're in a relationship. Do you think that it's a blessing to be sitting across from me?

Well, clearly I found out my aura is awful, so I don't think she thinks that about me. I don't like the way Maude that, like, it's a blessing to be sitting across from you. Because I feel like it's a blessing to be sitting across from me. Do you really believe that? Because you know I don't fuck with nobody. And at the end of the day, Pige is the biggest blessing to everybody in this room. P's the only unfirable, nigga. I'll be telling people that all the time.

Anyway, we can wrap this up. Pee just taking us to the top in every business I've been. We all love each other. We love you all. We're all a blessing to each other. Jada, I tried to tell him that that was a situation. Glad you called back and made that very clear. That was her name, right, Jada?

I believe that's her name. Jada, yes. To close, Jada's call. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, you shouldn't. Going from kissing cousins to trying to fuck the same guy, that shit, that should don't work. Yeah. I don't think she said that. That's what I took from the entire thing.

Well, he started out. He started out of kissing cousins. That's your shit. You see why Drake don't want to do interviews? No matter what he's like. You don't think Drake had a kissing cousin? Oh, I don't know. I'm not speaking all that.

You ever find out a girl's not really your cousin? Oh, yeah. And then your whole brain chemistry changes? Yeah. Oh, Lori. Absolutely. Yeah, that's fucking gross. But it's never gone far.

It's like, well, I've exchanged phone. But didn't I tell you about that? Mm-hmm. I exchanged numbers with a girl I met the day before my family reunion and found out she was like a cousin, like a distant cousin. I was like, oh, shit. That's as far as it's ever gone.

It's never gotten physical. And obviously, I've never done that because, All my cousins that I thought my cousins that weren't my cousins are white. So, like, it wasn't going to go anywhere. Yeah, you can tell you. You can tell your tribe. But I did be like, oh, yeah, she's got a pretty now. Contrary to your belief, Rory, all black people don't look alike.

All white people look alike. Nah, I think all black people are. You look just like Canelo. He's Mexican. See? See? Jesus Christ. Look, look how you look like people that hate even from your tribe.

Do you want me to give you the backstory? The history of that? Because I can give you the history. Yeah, the ship just stops somewhere. That's what I mean. The ship just made a stop, Roy. Y'all know how that go. I know exactly how that go.

Yeah, if I... Yeah. We go there's somebody had to cook on the boat, right? For sure. It's the reason why there's a lot of Irish people in the West Indus. Do you're putting the camera on Demaris? I've been doing this shit for five minutes. All right, man, let's get out of here.

We'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He says ginger. Peace. I'm Daniel Alarcon. And this is my friend.

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