New Rory & MAL - Episode 403 | The Jeffrey Files

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

First things first, happy birthday to Peeje! After a quick weekend recap, we try our best to make the VMA's seem important, but it's just not the same anymore (10:50). We discuss if Young Thug's interview with Big Bank helped repair his image (39:27). Rory has a problem with children taking the last name of their step-dad (1:19:48). Plus, a voicemail has us accepting the fact that sometimes you just grow apart from people you love (1:40:00), and how Rory's family failed to spread his uncle's ashes on the field at Yankee Stadium. (2:00:45) #volume *TIMESTAMPS MAY VARY DUE TO ADVERTISEMENTS All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Pige's birthday is sponsored by Boost. Absolutely. I don't know if you knew that or not. It's in the contract. Your birthday is definitely sponsored by Boost. My mother's birthday is sponsored by Boost. And Pete, I don't know. You get unlimited talk, texting dad on your birthday.

You don't need for just $25 a month. A lot of birthday. birthday text? You know, that can go. First month is on me, Pige. I got you. Don't even trip. I got 25 hours.

That's just cold mall. Yeah, yeah. That's just me right there. I got you. Don't worry about that. Happy birthday. My God, Pige, though. Yeah, man.

I didn't know Pige was that old. I thought we were closer in age. Pete is not old. He's not old at all. No. I'm old. Actually, I'm not old, but I'm older. You're not old for the earth.

You're old for the room. Thank you, Roy. The earth. But like this. The earth being older. There's been older. BC. That really helps me that the earth is older.

For like being on earth, you're not old. Yes. Thank you. Like there's older people, but like in the room. Yes, there are older people on earth than me. I'm not the oldest man on earth or.

In the room, though, you are. In the room, yes. In this room. Maybe on a block. I am. On this block, Damaris, I'm not, see, because we don't want to get demonized.

I'm not going to curse at you. But seven seconds, we pass seven. You're good? We're in the clear. Hey, DeMars, fuck you, all right? Well, Maul, you have a birthday coming up. I do have a birthday coming up. Getting older, Damarise.

He's older. I now be the oldest nigger on both of these blocks. 46? Stop playing with me, yo. I don't know. All right, so then you just shut up. Stop guessing. Stop trying to guess.

You paid me to talk. It's kind of close, though, right? No, she's off a little bit. 44? 44. Okay. Yes. Oh, we look great.

Thank you. What are you going to do for your birthday? Virgo babies, Virgo season. How come you guys are? He's a Libra. He's a Libra. He's a Libra.

He's a Libra. Like, ooh, everyone watch out. The Virgo's a Libra. He's a Libra. I saw somebody per was... Oh, you're a Libra? Yes, I'm a Libra. Oh, not all of September is not Virgo?

No. No, see, I don't know shit. Yeah. Who cares? I just assumed September was... Who's counting? I think after the 20th century. If you want me to be a Virgo, Rory, I'll be a Virgo for you.

I'm a Virgo. No, you ain't a Virgo. You're very much a Libra. How am I very much a Libra? You're very much. You're very charming. Very charming. Is that what they say about Libras?

Very balanced. Very shallow a little bit. But you're very shallow as well. I am not shallow. What? I am not shallow. You was as shallow as that water you fell in in that pool when you were trying to make that video. That was deep.

That water was deep. You see, I stood up completely and was still in the war. How's that bruise doing? You good? It's the bruises healing up. Yes. Okay. Broke my coochee like Issa said, but the bruise is healing.

Issa said she broke her coogee? Broken pussy. You don't remember? No, wasn't that, um, it was Molly that had the broken pussy. Yeah, but Issa sung it. Oh, yeah, she did. She did. I missed that show.

I do too. I miss Insecure Sundays. Well, anyways, merch is on sale right now. Yeah. Newroyamol.com. Also for $5 just for the month, you can get all of this ad free on Patreon. Patreon.com forward slash neworian mall. So no birthday plans whatsoever.

Not yet. I think I'm going to go away though. I think I'm going to take a little vacation. Okay. Yeah, I'm not sure. You say that a lot and then you stay in your house. No, no, no, this birthday, I'm going to go away for sure. I'm going to take a trip.

I guarantee you come Wednesday before his birthday. He's like, yeah, just going to go see mom. In my sister? No, I'm going to do that this weekend. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to do that this weekend. So that weekend, I can leave. A spot in mines?

Not yet. I've been looking at, um... Maris could be a tour guide. Demaris could be a tour guide. She travels often. I don't know. I've been looking at some places in Mexico. I've been looking at some places in the Caribbean Virgin Islands.

Okay. Just trying to see, you know, what I like. Take a little vacation, get some sun. If you want to skip the hurricane season, you could go to the ABC Islands, which is what I did, like the Aruba, Bonaire, Carousale. they miss hurricane season because they're out of the hurricane belt. Yeah. Yeah.

I was looking at all of that. This is like a dolo trip or maybe like a, I don't know, lucky lady or. I don't know. I might take like the fellas. Three porn stars with me. That's fun. That's fun. Yeah.

That's fun. I mean, just let us know what island you go to. I think I'm free that weekend. Damn. You always invite yourself somewhere. All right. If mall goes to an island with three porn stars and tells like it's an island though. Like I could just go.

I'm not invited. But like if we run into it. to each other. There's only so many resorts. I don't think that's inviting yourself. No, you can stay. Like, I like Arula. Yeah, come on. Pull up. It's all good. And, like, of course, we'll take the week off because it's your birthday, so I'll have the time. Yeah.

Might as well. Bring the cameras. Might as well. Bring some porn stars. There's porn stars. We need cameras. You know that. Can't have a porn star without a camera. That's what, I mean, by definition, they'd just be fucking. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. But did anyone do anything fun this? weekend. I was on daddy duty pretty much the entire time. I'm trying to teach my daughter how to clean.

Oh. How's it going? Good so far. She likes cleaning now because she thinks it's fun. Like she gets the Swiffer. It's fun for now. Yeah. But I'm going to see how long that's going to last. Well, that's good. And I post it on my close friends. And this is where I think a lot of my friends are pieces of shit. Because everyone was DMing me back saying that it was misogynistic that I was making a mara vacuum. Okay. And to me, that makes, that's not misogyn. Everyone should know how to clean. You're misogynistic for thinking I did it just because she was a girl. That is true. You think I yelled at her back in the kitchen after she was done? Yeah, everybody should know her. Cleaning is fun. I've met a lot of adults. I love, I love cleaning.

Yeah. It's therapeutic. I've met a lot of adults that don't have any home training. And I don't want my kid to go out into the world. No. Like adults that don't know to properly clean a bathroom is just, it's odd to me. those are one of the things I never how do you not know how to clean a bathroom? Oh, you'd be surprised. Like how do you not know how to clean the bathroom? Like, just think about that. How do you not know how to clean, period? But how do you not know how to clean a bathroom?

Either you had dirty parents or really rich parents, I guess. It's either, I don't know if there's a gray area there. It's either like you had a maid or you just had the dirtiest house ever. Yeah, just don't get that you don't know how to clean. That's like. Well, you do have to be taught how to clean properly. Yeah. You do.

But even if you're not, like, I think you just end up picking up on how to clean. Like, even if you had parents that weren't, like, the cleanest, like, as an adult. Like, I know some people who, you know, growing up, they didn't have the cleanest of houses. But now they have, the houses are spectacular. Like, it's like, wow. Like, they taught themselves how to, you know what I mean? Like, even if they weren't handed that, it was like, you pick up on that. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

My mother was very clean and taught me how to clean. So I don't know how that looks like if you weren't taught how to, like, like, I wasn't really taught how to cook. I kind of taught myself how to cook. I'm not great at it. Yeah. You pick up on it. But I feel like someone should teach you how to clean the toilet.

Like just spraying the shit in there and like people know how to sweep. That's not cleaning. Right. Yeah. I don't know how people don't know how to clean. But, you know. You all get on your hands and knees and hit them fucking corners of like the baseboards on the floor. Hit them corners.

Hands and knees. With a bowl, with a bowl of fucking pine saw. and bleach and dawn and just pass out scrubbing the corners of the floor. Mm-hmm. Breathing all on fumes. Get lightheaded. Crack a window. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Over the weekend, the VMAs did happen, and it wasn't because I was on dad duty. I had literally no interest in watching the VMAs. I thought you're going to come here and talk your shit. You and I have had this Mariah argument that you made up all because I said I wasn't familiar. I thought you'd come here talking your shit that your girl got the Vanguard award, which is very much Zerve and her performance was incredible. Mariah is still Mariah, even when it's not December. I thought you didn't come here a little bit more in bravado. I'm a terrible podcast

personality because I didn't even, I didn't watch the VMAs. I didn't even know the VMAs were going on until like I got on Instagram last night and I damn sure didn't know that Mariah received anything until you just told me. All right. Do you think that's you being a bad podcaster or it just being kind of over for people caring about the VMAs? Because there was a time when we all as a family sat on the internet just so we could commentate on the VMAs. I think that we, I don't think that the people have stopped caring about the VMAs. I think we've aged out. I don't think we're the target audience.

But what do you mean, Mariah's here? I mean, Mariah's here because they're giving her an award. The same way that they used to give back in the day, we used to watch Diana Ross and Luther get a award. Instead of Drusky hosting, they got L.L. Cool J. And I love L.O. Don't get it twisted. But I feel like they're skewing more towards old people, like Stephen Tyler performing. Oh, wow. Well, yeah. I guess I didn't know. Buster, who I love, always want Buster perform. But I feel like they skewed more towards us than anybody.

They should have advertised it better to us because I had no idea that any of those people were performing. I only knew L.L. Koojee was hosting because I looked up when I was in Midtown yesterday. I was like, oh, L.O.Coo Jays hosting the VMAs. Like, that's. What has been in these boardrooms the reason why comedians are like no longer hosting these types of things? I mean, Grant, I know Shane Gillis just did the SPs, but that was like standard for all award shows. Not so much the VMAs, but in general that there was always a comedian. Like why they're not giving Drusky the bag to do like real skits about award shows while he's hosting is beyond me. Yeah. Like, Drusky should be hosting this. Drusky is funny.

He can deliver. He's creative. He understands what's going on in the industry and the culture. Like, I love L.O. He's great. Go. But why would he need to host? Why?

Because it's the name. It's the name. LL is, you know, he's hosted awards before. We live in the Clips Society, whether we like it or not. Do you want to push him, Alice, or?

Yes. Yeah, that was funny. Right now, the only clip I'm seeing on YouTube, VMA's 2025, is LL CoolJ opening that's two minutes long. go look at what Shane Gillis ESPN monologue is for the espies yeah yeah i think like if you want to make a moment because that's what i mean award shows just by statistically

across the board no matter what the genre is or award show are are dying the same way everything but why in tv world because i mean we're tuned into netflix hulu people just aren't on TV like that and they get their content in other places. So if you want to, if you want to create these moments and create these clips and get people excited, why are you not having more comedic stuff happening during these shows? Yeah, but I think even if you have somebody like a Druski hosting and VMAs, I don't know if it does much for the, for the VMAs. I don't know if the viewership is, is up or not. I'm saying just more so on the clip related things. I'm not going to sit here and play Monday morning quarterback and act like I know what would get.

ratings with a TV network for an award show. I'm saying just based off someone that missed the show and was looking at the clips on YouTube, because that's the world that we live in. It feels disconnected, in my opinion. Well, the Soul Train Awards were canceled, right? What other awards was canceled? The BETT Awards? The BT Hip Hop Awards.

Yes, so I'm the BET Awards now. And even with the BET Awards, I mean, I know the Hip Hop Awards was where the Cyphers were, but why don't you merge those two things in? Like the only reason people were really watching these things was because of the ciphers. And even if you didn't see the show, the ciphers would go crazy on YouTube, which is a huge platform for Viacom no matter what.

I just feel like award shows are running away from the things that actually track. Of like why we are really here for that. I mean, I think that, you know, it's just a sign of the times. We see so much of these celebrities and artists daily on social media. We have so many other people.

performance platforms now, things like that, to where, you know, a Soul Train Award or BT Hip Award or even the VMAs doesn't have the lore that it once had. Yeah, and I think it also goes back to what we've always discussed that this new generation doesn't really have superstars. Of course, there's in the pop world. They had Sabrina Carpenter performed. But like we were just saying, it skews old. Stephen Tyler, Lady Gaga, Mariah Carrie. Buster Rhymes. Post Malone and Jellyroll, I mean,

host, I still think, is now getting closer to legacy. He's been out for over a decade. There's no new superstars that at least hip-hop or R&B is going to run. Like, I can't wait to see that. Like, when Beyonce and Kendrick were performing at the BT Awards when Lemonade came out, like, we all stopped what we were doing. Who, like, what, we can't wait for the little baby performance?

Like, yeah. What does it work? Who did they did their best. Like who could you, I could never even critique someone in that, that, that boardroom of like, well, I got Lady Gaga and Stephen Tyler. Like, all right, you did your job. Yeah.

Definitely. No, the name is. Who do they even have to, like, pick from with the new generation? All right, Travis Scott would put on an incredible performance, but I don't know if Travis Scott is taking his time out to go do. He's not. Without a new album or a new song he's trying to push? Mm-hmm.

Because it's not that important to him. And it shouldn't be. So, yeah. You should go with the TikTok stars. Go with the comedians. Music is dead. Just go with the funny shit. Who performed again?

Ryan Carey, Sabrina Carpenter, Lady Gaga, Stephen Tyler, Loli Young, Post Malone, Jelly Roll, Jay Balvin, DJ Snake. Oh, there you go. They ain't got none of us up there. Hmm. Who would they pick? I'm just saying. That's what they didn't have none of us.

that does good performances. Now, I will say this, though. I think Cardi should have performed. Mm-hmm. She has an album coming out in 10 days. Yeah, imaginary players probably got unperformed. Yeah. I think that would have went crazy.

Wait. You don't think people... Shit, we were at the W.W.E. shit when she came out and people liked it. So you don't think that Cardi should perform her new single for an upcoming album at the video musical world? I'm saying... That doesn't make sense, too? I'm not mad at that. that, but I don't know if I would have wanted to see that, though.

I'm not mad at it. Well, whether you wanted to see her or not, yeah, that's not really what we was talking about. We're saying that she should have done it. That's just marketing-wise, that makes sense. Okay. That's usually what happens when people have new albums coming out. I have liked Cardi's marketing so far, at least on socials.

I think what she was doing. Selling her vinyl on two-fifth with the incense and shit. Like, I like that type of stuff. She was not on two-fifth selling them. Yes. Yeah, she was. With the blanket laid out and everything. In the stage.

She was on a 125th street selling. I don't know if it was 2.5, but it was in the city somewhere. No. Can we pull it up? For real? I just, I said to 5th because it was. Niggas wasn't out there like running down on Cardi. The security was everywhere.

It's on our Instagram job. On 125th Street? That's crazy. If she did that, that's wild. But I mean, I think that type of marketing is like what's kind of needed right now, especially for her too. And like even this whole story of like, I'm a, I'm a single month.

mother and I need to sell I need to sell I'm out my label says I need to sell these like her personality is always her gold so I think this has been great what she's been doing that is 125th street I think it's great with the with the 125k Klani hoon and you know she got from her the vendor next door 100% with the hat on yeah I think this type of stuff is is is what connects if you're going to do IG shit like this is the best way in my opinion I'm looking forward to I'm want to hit this album though i do i do want to hit this project i just want to know if like somebody happened to be walking by and they were like yeah i got cash on me now is is the music on there no they probably she probably just probably just probably just yeah it's probably just blanks

of i's definitely just yeah it's probably just blanks just the covers but okay i'm not mad at that yeah but not it would have been dope if there was that was really the album and she was like it was really for sale right there that would have been fly i think would have would have been cool if she did this shit outside the garden Last night. Oh, yeah, at the VMAs? Like, if she did that shit, it wasn't like the garden? Oh, it wasn't?

You think the VMAs was at Madison Square Garden? Damn, why getting that old that I was doing? You think the- It was at SSBs? That shit was in Long Island at the USB Arena. Oh, shit, was it? Okay, I told you, I didn't watch it. The garden, no.

It used to be? No, yeah, when the VMAs was a thing, yeah. But also they have the theater in the garden? Yeah, no. That shit was in Long Island, right? All right, right? That shit was. Well, then never mind, Cardi, because the Van Wake is still.

That's Long Island, right? The USB arena? UBS arena, excuse me USB. You're confusing your letters like young duck. Listen, man, I'm dyslexic.

What do you want me to do? But I did love, I did love Doja cast performance, though. You love anything, Doja. Doja is incredible. I don't know how people don't talk about Doja. Doja is...

People talk about Doja all the time. Do you do they? Yes. She's one of the biggest artists. You're not the target. You're not the target audience, but yes. Yo, Molljew. You don't do nothing but talk about

some underground shit? No, I'm not underground. You all up on this doja? No, but the more, The way I hear people see people talking about the Cardys and the Lottos and the men, it's like, yo, y'all, this, Doja is light years ahead of all of these other artists y'all talking about. But Doja is in a, Doja has a different audience than the rest of them. So Doja gets talked about more than them, but she has a different, yes.

I don't see people talk about Doja. A pop superstar. Yes. Doja is incredible. She's, like, everything about Doja Cat to me is like, she's like, she's like, she's Madonna. She's Janet. She's Paula Abbottie.

dude. She's very much Paul that dude. Cindy Lopper. She's fucking, she's just, she embodies like the 80s pop, 90s pop. Like, she is incredible. Doja Cat is incredible. Okay. Why don't we view Nikki the same way too? Is Nikki not a pop star too? Nikki is a pop star. I mean, I know the answer to this question, but I love Doja. I think she's super talented. But at the end of the day, she is a rapper. Like, she can really rap. She can sing. All of her music is rooted very much in hip-hop, even her pop records? She can't, no, it's not, she can rap and she does rap very well, but the majority of Doja's

main music is not traditional hip hop. Doja is more pop than Nikki. Nikki's pop because she's popular and she like, she makes pop. What's pills and poison? What's, uh, Starship? Yes. Yeah, those are pop records. Yeah, but Doja is more traditional pop than Nikki.

Yes. You guys would say her last, what was her last album even labeled us? Doja? Yeah. I think that was rap. Her last thing was rap because it was a rap album, remember? It was rap, hip-hop, I think. Okay, so I guess my point still stands on why is she not, why is Nikki not said to be the same? But people have been saying, Nikki, people have always said that Nikki's a pop star.

Okay. Yeah, Nikki's been up. Nikki was one of the first, like pop rap, like superstars. Nikki's a pop star. Okay. But Nikki is all, will always be a rap star first. Yeah. I'm saying, why isn't Doja that? Because Doja was known as a pop star first. Y'all didn't discover that Doja can rap song.

Okay. Y'all didn't discover that Doja could rap until, like, y'all started really listening, like, oh, Doja can rap. Whereas Nikki came out rapping, and then she turned into a pop star. Well, different times and different approaches, because one was coming up through, like, smack DVD, come-up DVD type thing. Yeah, one was in the studio with stat. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just a different. Yeah, one was with Fendi.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doja makes dancing a thing. And like when you make dancing and performing a thing, it helps with the whole pop star thing. What do you think, Nikki, Safari, and Will I Am did on Letterman? That's a legendary. That's a legendary performance. That is a legendary performance. Safari don't get enough credit for that.

When we interview Safari, there's been like very few real regrets in my life. That's part of life. You've got to live a regret. There's one that like keeps me. up at night and it's not doing a full video breakdown with Safari of him standing like this for a minute 30 yeah to the side yeah listen man he's doing it you do what he had to do it's part of the performance man no it was it was nobody could ever say Nikki Minaj was a bad girlfriend nope all right you're with Will I Am who I've given shit lately but Will I am is 1,000% I don't need to

tell you a fucking icon Nicky Minaj a fucking icon even at that time she was getting into her icon status. Safari. Icon. Two icons are performing on fucking Letterman. Yeah. Another icon.

You know what people have waited their whole life for David Letterman to introduce you? Yeah, look at Safari getting this shit off. And she let her boyfriend, which by, like they're all in this futuristic look and everything.

The dancing was, Safari's in a pink t-shirt and a fitted. Standing like this. Yeah, but he was part of, Nobody can even see. What if, what if it comes to find out that Safari did the choreography first? Oh, he definitely did. You're going to give him his flowers?

You're going to give him his flowers? See, that's what I'm saying. Give Safari's flowers. Everyone watching Letterman that night was like, yeah, I've heard of this, Nikki Giroff. I think I've heard well I am. Who the fuck is this guy in the pink t-shirt doing the robot? He's still sitting like this.

Yeah. You could have just came off camera. Like, you didn't even need to be in fright. You think everyone right now is watching like, damn, what happens when that guy weighs up? I guarantee you. I guarantee people when the audience was like, yo,

but when is he going to get into his thing? Like, he's just standing here. Part of the set. What's this little Easter egg in the back? Josh, can you skip? Because I'm telling you, there's like a minute 45.

Like, Safari stays like this. You have to go far into the performance. He's still there. We're at a minute. We're at 229. Get it to your shit. Yeah. Like he could have been a dancer the whole time.

We didn't need him. Now he's going to split two icons. Nikki Minaj is the greatest girlfriend of all time. Yeah. Atanda. Yeah. What is Safari doing? Annie got the shirt on that you know when the album dropping.

Yeah. That's what he was supposed to do. So. What number was Will I Am on the greatest producers of the 21st century? Safari should have been right there. Nikki Minaj, the greatest female rapper of all time. Will I am? icon change the sound of music and then you have Safari.

He changed the way music look. In a pink t-shirt. It's not even the aesthetic of this performance. Yeah, Pink Friday. He's letting you know. I bet you, I bet you, everybody knew him Pink Friday was coming out though.

How do you think he pitched this to Nicky? Like, I need to know when they were in rehearsals, like, how Safari gave it up. Nikki probably was like, yo, she knows Safari could dance. Like, he could pop. No, that ain't, y'all ain't seen Safari news. I have. I understand why he was up on that stage.

All right, well, you know, you're going to, I'm just saying. Hey, dog, hey, dog. No, you're going to always win that. Once you say a guy's nudes, you won. Like, I don't, I can't even, I can't even go back and forth with you. I understand why he was up on that stage. I'll probably would have let that nigga do anything, too. Hey, man.

All right. In her defense, in her defense, I've always wondered how good Yoko Ono's pussy must have been. Because That's another one John Lennon John Lennon got to perform with his idol Chuck Barry

on what was American band's name it was Letterman became the guy but it was the guy before that And let Yoko get her shit off

Yoko on there playing the tamper She got a microphone She's screaming with Chuck Barry Yeah Like how good a pussy you got to have

where you could just let your girl get a cowbell tambourine microphone when you get to perform with your idol. Fire. Look at her. Oh yeah, she on a bongo. She starts screaming at one point.

Yeah. Some gas. Ha ha! Look at Chuck Berry face. Clock it. And what is this bitch doing? Clock it. That's the greatest.

That's like, that's Chuck Barry. He's like that was off key. The fuck it's like created rock and rock. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I need to know in the rehearsals Like, how John even pitched that to Chuck. Like, yeah, I'm gonna have

this crazy bitch scream during the whole time. Imagine trying to tell Will I am and Jimmy Iveen. Yeah, my boyfriend's gonna wear a pink t-shirt and do the robot. Yeah. Fire. On David Letterman. Fire.

Well, shout out to Doja Cat and everybody else at the VMAs. I don't know how much longer the VMAs has, but I think they're on the clock. Yeah. Yeah, always saying somebody on the clock. I think the VMA is on the clock. Maybe they ain't gonna lie.

So who train walls out of here. Soul Train is probably more legendary than the VMAs, correct? For sure. I mean, I think that goes up saying. If they got rid of the Soul Train Awards, ain't nobody saved. But they've been got rid of the Soul Train Awards and then brought it back. Sorry, we're to interrupt you. They have got rid of it before and then like brought it back.

Yeah, but I think VMAs is on the way. I ain't going to lie. I'm not saying soul music isn't created these days, but it's not popular. Like, shit, I remember when Ari was tight when Shade Butter Baby came out. And it's like, wait, I made like, this is made for your award show and I'm not even getting nominated. They don't even nominate soul shit. So, yeah.

I mean, I understand that part. Maul, you know nothing about phones. We've established that. I ask you every time you know nothing. You'd see a phone plan and go, wow, what a great price. Then you'd get your bill back and be like, surprise. Right. It's not a good price.

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Here we go. Because you guys were giving me my flowers sort of. I'll tell you this. I still don't think her a lot of like each other. Stop. Well, they got the record together now, right? And the video. She got that, yeah.

He wants that. It's a cool record. I'm not mad at the record. I'm not mad at the video, but I could tell by the chemistry. That was never pieced up. I was horny watching a video. I couldn't pay attention to no.

Really? And I don't even be liking them. you know them, them pales. They're beautiful. They looked great. Is those y'all pale? I didn't see the video. No, those is not as pale as these two.

These two pale. Like, the record's cool. I don't know if it'll work because it's not for me. If the chicks like it, I like it. If it gets ass shaking at the hookah lounge, I'm all the way with it. I didn't hear it yet. I'm going to be honest. It's a better verse from Ice Spice than I've heard in a minute.

It's cool. I think Lotto did Ice Spice a huge favor, but that's just my. You mean by getting on the record? By doing a record with her, yeah. Why? Why is that a favor? I just think Lotto is far better and bigger than Ice Spice. She's a better rapper. I don't know if she's bigger, though.

She's bigger. You think so than Ice Spice? Just having a moment sitting next to Taylor Swift, as far as a career goes, does not make you a bigger artist. I don't know if I, does Lotto have a bigger record than what was it much? Is that the name of it? I don't think of it. What was the name of that record? I don't even remember the name of that.

Jay Z. doesn't have a bigger record than Ice Ice Baby, but are we comparing them? Sorry. No, but that's not the same. Like, just because you have one big, huge hit doesn't, it's like, I don't know if Lotto is. Lotto has a career. Ice Spice is finding moments. There's a difference.

No, there's a difference in that, but I don't know if, I don't know if I'm saying it's a favor that Lotto did this verse. What was, did it definitely help Lotto as far as a moment because they were beefing at one time, them coming together creates a moment for sure. sure, but. Well, it was a moment because Lotto has a lot of moments. Like she, she doesn't necessarily need to always rely on the quick moment because she has like albums and fans that buy tickets. I'm with you on, I think Lotto is the best artist, for sure. She's a far better rapper. And yeah, I think this is, this is a look for Ice Spice. Rory's been saying the clock is on ice spice for a while. So that's right. He's just trying to force his clock to be right. It was.

And listen. The bro clock is right twice, though, so you know that. Again, I don't want to talk about her health, because I don't know what was going on when she got skinny. None of my business. I'm not even here to make jokes about it. But when you- She was working out. I know.

But you saw when she posted the video in front of the Eiffel Tower and the weight was back on, I punched out of the clock. Everyone came back. So because the weight- It's a moment. Because she got thick again, the clock is off? No, everyone was there for her rap small. No, I'm just saying. Is that what you feel?

Everyone, no, everyone was there for that. That- She wasn't. That lyrical venom. She wasn't slim spice no more. She went back to ice. She wasn't slim spice. It looked great. Y'all make me out to be the biggest ice spice hater and I'm not.

I just think that. You are the biggest ice spice hater. She was making the same record over and over again. The clock was on. Yes. Lotto saved her here. Putting the weight back on. Saved her again.

She has to keep finding moments to save her while Lato doesn't have to do that. That's all I'm saying. I can understand where you're coming from. I'm not arguing with you. Now, I'm sure Ice Spice is only sitting back waiting for the young thug phone call to leak where he talks about Ice Spice. Because that'll give her another six months. They're just trying to find moments.

Okay. Oof. They calling him Lady Whistledown. Y'all don't get that joke, but it's very funny. They call who Lady Whistledown? Young Thug. What's Lady Whistle now? She was an anonymous writer that used to tell everybody business in the show, a show on Netflix.

That's very funny. So it's a very popular show amongst women. That's why I say y'all won't get it. So you're calling young thug Wendy Williams, basically. Basically, they was calling him Wendy Williams too. They was calling him, Lady Wendy Williams. Yo, this young thug shit over the weekend was so nuts. I saw something that said, you know, they're releasing the wrong Jeffrey files.

I was crying. I was crying when I read that. But I'll say, yo, these niggas on the internet. That is fucking hilarious. These niggins on the internet board. Yeah, like, where's the Epstein jail calls? I don't know if y'all, yeah, yeah, like, we got. He had to call somebody.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like we got the wrong Jeffrey files, man. We didn't ask for these files. This shit, the way it's been leaking has, like, almost made me a bad father. Like, I like the people say leaking, like, it's an album. Like, this is not an album. Yeah, no, this is not leaked. We back to the mixtape era.

This blog era. This is LimeWire, Napster. Shout out the Big Bank, though, on getting this interview. I thought that that made all the sense in the world for Thug to sit down with Bank. If you're not familiar with Bank. You know, let's just say he's been outside in the Great Atlanta area for some years. For sure. Respected as a relationship of pretty much anybody and everybody in Atlanta.

So I thought that that made perfect sense when Bank announced that, you know, he had a thug interview. But before we even get to the hearts of the interview, I want to say Big Bank conducted probably one of the better interviews I've seen in, like, the last decade. he like that was some fucking 60 minutes Barbara Walter shit like he conducted that interview so fucking well with the smallest things I don't think anyone else on earth could have done a better interview than he did with that well I was I was it was just he just got him comfortable then asked the right questions it was a pushback where it mattered it was the accountability thing like like bank was holding he held he held accountable for his actions and things he was saying and things like that um and you know you got to respect that anytime you should

down, you know, as men and there's accountability, you know, in, in the room. It's going to get a, it's going to have a great conversation. I thought that's what Bank did. He focused on. Just making sure he held Thug accountable. That's all. I mean, granted, even, you know, myself and everybody, when the link went up, we couldn't wait to hear about all the calls, everything that happened to trial, I was locked in from the first question that Bank asked of what's your earliest memory. Like the whole first half of that that had nothing to do with the case and the shit that we wanted to hear from

was like incredible to hear. I don't know. I just can't say enough about how he conducted that to get thug into a comfortable mode to then talk about all the shit we wanted to hear. Like that was some of the coolest. I thought it was in fucking therapy. Yeah.

Like that was really like therapy questions that he started out with that entire thing. It had me thinking like, damn, what was my first memory? Like that whole part was incredible. But we then got to the fuck shit. Yeah. where do we want to begin?

I mean, he made some points. No, I think Doug made some points for sure. I think the one thing that I took from it, you know, Thug is obviously, well, let's start here. If you've ever had anybody incarcerated and called you from jail, you know, Thug talking, you know, and I know people are like, damn, he's doing, this is what people that's locked up do.

They call you and they just talk, talk, talk, talk. Like sometimes I have to tell some of my homies like, you listen, though, I'm not locked up with you. Stop calling me every day. Like, I don't want to talk to you every day, nigga, you arrested, not me. Like, you literally have to say that because that's just the outlet of, you know, especially, and I can only imagine somebody like Thug who's being the public figure that he is and, you know, living a lifestyle that he did and then now being incarcerated, you know, and he, you know,

obviously knows that his trial is the talk of the culture at the time. So, you know, he definitely had things that, you know, he had to say and wanted to say in questions that, you know, he wanted to ask people and just. just talk about things that was going on outside. So a lot of these things that are, you know, these conversations that are leaking doesn't surprise me at all because, again, I have people that are incarcerated. So I know how that goes with those conversations.

It can go forever until you stop and I'm like, nigga, I'm hanging up. You know what I'm saying? So, but I do think that, you know, this interview hearing some of the things Thug said, in talking to a lot of my homies that have did jail time. And we all kind of agreed that, you know, people giving Thug the snitch title, is probably incorrect because, you know, a snitch, you put police on people, police get locked up, people get incarcerated because of your words and things that you did.

That is what a snitch did. I don't think anybody. You could still be a snitch and no one goes to jail. I don't know about that. I don't know if anybody. Oh, okay. Never mind. Huh?

Nothing. So, so with Thug, he did bad, though. Going in an interrogation room, talking for hours, you know, definitely never supposed to do that. If you have a 302 or you, isn't it? If you have a what? A 302. A file. of when you speak to the police.

It depends on what you told them. Okay. Now, when I see a big way, you got a 302 like that. Don't get it twisted. He did bad. Going in there talking for two hours,

however long he did, you're not supposed to do that. That's not, nothing changes. I'm not saying he is a 302. But, and what he's saying, he was in there saying a bunch of bullshit. He didn't give the police facts rules

on things that were really happened. I don't think nobody got arrested from anything he said. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yes, he was in the, in there talking to police. What we're from? You ain't supposed to do that at all. But in what he said, did anybody get arrested?

Did anybody face any consequences from the law behind what he said? It doesn't look like. It doesn't look like until now. We get some further evidence of things that happened later than, you know, all of this changes. But as of right now, it doesn't look like anything he said was used against anybody and anybody was incarcerated because of the things that he sat in there and told the police. So that, giving him that, because you have to be very careful with that title, putting that on somebody.

You have to be very careful with that. But don't get it twisted. Him going in there and talking to police in an interrogation room for however long he was in there, that is a no-no. Anything you can to say will be used against you in the court of law. They tell you that as soon as they put the cups on you. So that's a no-no. But if he's in there spitting bullshit and nothing is real and nothing is real, this is like, all right, so what is he? You know what I mean?

Like, is that, is he giving them information or something? Well, I mean, we'll get to some of thugs gaslighting in a bit with his tweets because another phone call came out right before we recorded. Him telling Big Bang when he said, why would you even sit with him? And why would you say, here's my number? So I was just flirting. Yeah, that was fat. He said with a straight face to Big. Did you see Banks face when he's, man, I was just flirting.

Yeah, that was that. I heard that. I was like, all, man. Like, what are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing right now? Because at that point,

like, anything goes in interrogation room at that point. No, I was just flirting with him. But, I mean, listen, again, I don't, I'm not here to make the rules on anything. The rules that I'm under the impression of that used to be there, yeah, that would be considered some form of cooperating. But I'm not here. I'm not here to call anyone a rap.

Listen, no, listen, if you go in there and told the police, that's out. You're not supposed to do that at all. I know people that went in the interrogation room and literally laid on the floor and went to sleep. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not supposed to say anything. But if you went in there just spitting bullshit, is that, you know what is that? Is that ratting?

If there's none of that shit is real and what you're saying, you just throwing shit at the wall and they don't even know, like, they can't even piece none of that shit together? It's a goalpost. It depends who you're talking to. Because, like we talked off Mike, John Gotti Jr., a lot of people was considered a rat. He has a 302. he told the government a bunch of lies, but he sat with the government

and gave them statements. They were all lies. No one went to jail. But he is, yeah, you sat with the government. What are we talking about right now? No, listen, I'm with you. You're never supposed to do that. But I just putting that tight on somebody,

you've got to be very careful with that. That is a very serious title to put on somebody. But all in all, you know, I think that, you know, coming out of the interview, like I said, we spoke last week. I don't think any of this matters. If Thug puts out a great record right now, a great album right now.

Nobody even cares about this shit. That's just the word that we in today. Nobody really cares about this shit. I'm learning so many things. Like, I did find out over the weekend that if you do do a crime with somebody, tell on them to get yourself out of trouble, separate them from their family, and then you go free. That is the same thing as being gay.

According to thought. Yeah. The L-TG-T, the LGT, the LGTV community. Which is crazy because he was a trailblazer for them. Like, he's part of that community. Oh, man. It's like, boop-de-do. Woo-de-do.

We go to jail for a life. Boop-D-D-D-D. Yeah, niggas. Start telling niggas, woop-de-do, nigga. I can't wait for Asinella to do a skit on this. Yo, listen, being like Sammy the Bull is the same. as Jason Lee is the funniest thing in the world to me. Like that's the same part.

If you think about it, like what Sammy did and how Jason was born is the same thing. Yo, Thug said, I'm around gay people pretty much every day. They work for me. I don't have no problem with the gay community. Because I knew they was gay from the beginning. Yeah, from the beginning.

We said, but if you come around me, you know what I'm saying now you switch up. Bro. You know, not being able to trust someone that's open about their sexuality as the truth. You can't trust someone telling the truth. Bro, this is crazy, man. I mean, do we think Thug finally found out what it's like to be a podcaster?

I mean. He's finally getting the heat that all of us have gotten when we say one thing about one artist you say their name. We got to backtrack. We got to apologize to people. Doug should be on the hip-hop media list next year, in my opinion. This has been the greatest podcast of all time. For sure. Yeah, this is the Jeffrey file.

Yeah, this is definitely going down to history. Oh, you know, you know, Chris already has that on TV. loaded up. Yeah. They're editing that right now. Yeah. I mean, I just feel like I agreed with some of the stuff that was being leaked what Doug was saying. I don't know, I don't know future situation. I would never talk about someone and how they parent. I don't know these people whatsoever. But like everyone was outraged about a, I thought, a pretty solid point. Of what? Stop fucking with these holes and go take care of your kids. I don't think nobody was fighting with that. I was like, yo, can you believe what you said about future? I'm like, yeah, I can.

Yeah. Pretty much on the nose there. Oh, man. But what I see. Yeah. I don't know future. You give you an amazing father. But if I was viewing from the cell, I was on the phone with my man.

He probably probably like, yo, futures probably take a break from some of the hose, man. And it's a lot of kids. Does this do anything for thugs perception coming out of this interview? Well, does the interview do anything? the call. Well, we talked last episode of how his perception was before this. Yeah. So you're asking now that this is here.

Yeah, now that the interviews here, we heard from Thug directly. Obviously, away from the phone calls that will put out, I'm talking about like, and sitting down this interview with Bank and, you know, talking. No, I don't think so. I think Thug is getting the first lesson in what a lot of us of this age, because Thug is probably around my age. Can we look up how old young thug is? This era of the internet

doesn't care. So I hope thug feels better that he got his shit off his chest and talks to somebody like Big Bank, someone he may respect and want to convince that he is otherwise. No matter what he says in that,

the internet is just going to internet and just joke. To your point, if there's good music, then it'll turn. Anyone explaining anything on the internet is just going to lead to more jokes. So no, I don't think. anything changed, it just gave the timeline more ammo.

Yeah. I don't think anyone that is constantly on the internet has a changed perspective. I really listened because I'm old and I really wanted to hear. But if you look at every single comment under anything, it's just more jokes. Well, yeah, that's the internet. The internet doesn't take anything seriously. So I hope he found solace in getting his story out and convincing the people that matter the most to him.

But I don't think this changes any perspective to the massive. whatsoever. Yeah, I'm still on the side that nobody cares. No, of course not. I'm still on that side. Like, nobody really cares. I mean, you know, it's a very select few that care about anything that he said and that, you know, on those calls or in the interrogation room. Again, I think that all of this, you know, as long as he puts out music that people like, you know, Gunner did the same thing. You know, Gunner was looked at. He was, people was kind of, you know, off Gunner for a minute. And then he went out and put out music. And, you know, you know, hit the gym, got in shape.

Now this nigga doing 5K runs through Central Park, all kind of shit. He's the local hero now. Changing people's lives. He's like, you know, getting changing fucking food programs and schools. The whole curriculum is different now. Nobody cares, man.

It's like. He brought back critical race theory. Yeah, the music is good. Well, all right, I'm going to ask you the same question. You asked me after the gunniply. Who in Atlanta is going to work with Thug after all these calls, who will be the first feature, who will be the first producer? Because that was an interesting question you asked me when the plea came out.

I was like, I don't think it matters too, too much. And you started breaking down facts of how close the Atlanta music tribe is. This could fuck Gunna's career over because producers won't work with him. Features like, he's outside of that click now, which is why Atlanta's been so successful. He proved me wrong. For sure. Do we think after all this, because there's way more shit on thug as far as gossip and talking about other artists in this, do we think that's going to affect his career? Not what fans think. I'm talking about making music moving forward.

Yes and no. I think there's certain artists that may not work with him. but you know I think once you get features from certain artists like the bigger names I think that it doesn't matter if he doesn't get a let's say if little baby doesn't do a record with him you know what I'm saying or you know some of the other guys from Atlanta don't want to do a record with him

but then he gets a Drake feature you know what I'm saying like does that does it really matter at that point? I think it does because I think he may have offended one of the main people in Atlanta that is kind of a pillar of that community that we talk about. No. Who? P. P. Yeah. Because I think what P has done, which I mean, Coach K and P have done for Atlanta in this new generation, I mean, to me they are the quintessential cash money. They're the Rockefeller. They are that. For sure. They are that. And what they have done for Atlanta, I think a lot of people, rightfully so, have an allegiance to them.

And we have clearly seen that P is very, very offended by this entire situation. I think that's where things get a little weird in that regard. Because, I mean, Gunna obviously has that relationship, and we didn't know at that time, but landed on his feet. I don't care of you offend. Future. All these people, you offended the one person that all of these people are attached to. Literally everybody has a relationship with P and for the most part a very positive one.

Like that's where I think things could get a little weird. Like damn, if I work with Thug, now my whole relationship with QC could be compromised. Yeah, I feel like. And I'm not saying that I could end a Thug career. I'm just saying to me that was the main thing I thought every artist he brought up. I was like, man, people get over gossip. But once P started putting up tweets and IG stories and all this shit, yeah, I think he feels way. And I think it would look weird to artists that he either has signed, managed, has a

relationship with. Like, he's Atlanta for real. He feels away and he has a right to feel some way. He's absolutely in the right to feel some way. But I'm also on the side of, you know, as grown men, you have a conversation and, you know, you put shit to the side and, you know, you, again, hold yourself accountable, which is what I think bang did with this interview with Doug. But I mean, I see space for Thug and Peter sit down at some point or get on the phone and have a conversation. I don't want to see. You know, I think there's room for that. I envy.

I envy there unity down there. Yeah. I mean. I hope it doesn't fuck everything up. That's what, you know, made Atlanta what it is, was the unity. It was the fact that all of these guys, for the most part, you had obviously people in the city that didn't really fuck with each other. But that's anywhere you go. But for the most part, Atlanta has always stuck together.

always supported each other. You know, this artist has a video shoot. I'm pulling up. I'm in a video, you know, whatever, just to support Atlanta. But I think coming out of this, you know, I think there's a bigger conversation to have. And I love with Banking and Thug, we're able to sit down and do and have a conversation and just, you know, have an honest conversation. But I do think there's a bigger conversation to have as far as, you know, just the street culture and, you know,

music culture and things like that and sometimes blending the two is we always know it's not a good idea to blend the two to blend business and street culture but that's part of it that's been part of it since the inception of him right but are we at a point now where we see finally like yo we need to have this conversation of listen man let's we doing this to get away from that you know what I mean let's not blend the two let's not have an overlap of the streets and the music because again when shit like this happens was what comes to them. Everybody's losing.

Niggas is going to jail. Niggas is dying. Kids is out here with no fathers. You know, it's like it's this cycle that we keep perpetuating. It's like, yo, at some point, we have to say, all right, listen, we control this. We have the control to say,

all right, this stops. We're not doing this. If you're doing music, stay over here, do music. Don't get involved in none of this shit. I think there's more conversations to be had, away from cameras and mics. I'm not told my own podcast.

a good representation of that, of whether it be their artists or founder, staff, etc. I don't know. When you lose that element to it, now we're just in corporate mode. Like, now we've lost,

and I'm not saying that all hip hop is just authentic street shit, but once you lose that, then you've lost any real connection to what's actually happening. If corporate, if it's all corporate, then we're fucking.

No, but there's plenty of artists that are successful that came from the streets that once, you know, this music thing or entertainment became a real thing, completely left that shit. Oh, no, no, no, no, for sure. I thought you were saying, like, that element just needs to be taken away of...

No, no, no, I'm saying, once you're in this, once you are now and entertainer... It's a slow transition to get out of that. But I'm saying, that's where QC to me is. Yeah, like, get away from that because, again, once it all falls, then it's like, you know what I mean? Like, all right, we back to this shit again. So, you know, I do think that there's more conversations to be had. And I think, you know, this interview with Bank was a, was a great start.

I think Thug obviously has a lot of conversations that he has to have with people in private to kind of like, you know, make a lot of the things that we've heard right. A lot of people were offended by things that we all heard. And, you know, I think that, you know, he understands that and he has to, again, hold yourself accountable and have those conversations. And if, you know, you can move forward with some of these people and the relationship is mended, great. If not, you got to accept that as well.

I mean, I really want to ask Demaris, the hard-hitting question because she speaks for all women. If I know a huge RICO is about to come down, sorry, I have to take my birth control. Is that the feds? Yeah. If I know a RICO is coming down, they're about to raid right now. I told on all y'all. I put it on, Josh. It's fine. If I know a crazy case is coming where I may do life, I can't hit up like one of my, my hose right before the feds raid. I can't have like one of my little chicks before I know they're coming. That's cheating. You have a girlfriend? Yeah. Yeah, it's cheap.

But at the RICO, like, you got to add the RICO in. Yeah, so you're about to leave me for all this time. And the first thing you think is, damn, now let me spend time with my bitch. Let me go spend time with somebody else. You have to understand what the system has done. And what that has done to not only thug sidegeet, but millions and millions and millions of black men around the world. How do you understand? I don't.

I'm just being empathetic. I'm just outside lens. Child struggle. I can see where. hey, the system is about to fuck me like it's fucked everybody before me. So I'm going to go fuck this girl. Okay. Okay.

I feel like that's a, if you're facing life, I feel like your girl should give you like just a little bit of grace. Because I don't know once they come if I'm ever getting out. Because I'm definitely not getting bail. So I'm in here until this trial ends. It ended up being the longest trial in Georgia history. Yeah, if he's facing life. Like you got to, you can come over to, but I'm fucking. Like, I mean, do we think that, you know, his girl kind of like assumed he was in there, you know, having sex with one of the CEOs?

Because we all know inmates have sex with sex. Well, no, this was the day before I think the feds came. He had a chick in his condo, right? Is that what it was? That it came out. Oh, yeah, no, that's cheating. I can't throw them. Oh, no, no.

I'm not saying it's not cheating. I'm saying, is there a little bit of grace? Because I'm sure Thug knew, like, the clock was ticking. You know when grace is given out? Grace is given out when you're honest. If I have to find out from a leak jail call years later that you lied to me when I asked you, why does girl posting in your condo? You're saying that it's old and come to find out that she was two days before you got locked up? But you also have to understand I'm already, I've been in jail, so my mind is trained to deceive and survive.

It's survival mode. I'm trying to spend the feds. I'm in the day room. Yeah, there's a lot of, my mind is already in the world of deception because I've been. within these walls that are private prisons. I don't know if you want to go down that rabbit hole. Yeah, of course I lied. I've been trained to lie.

The system taught me to lie. So just let me, let me fuck that girl. You think that she's wrong. She wasn't in the system. She was at St. Johns. Okay. Well, Thug tweeted my baby, I was wrong, and I'm sorry for what I put you through.

You deserve better for me. Thank you for everything, and I will do anything to make this work. You show me what love is, and I hope I haven't lost you forever. Everybody leaves her. Everybody leave her out of this, please. How do we want us to leave her out of this?

She's in this. But okay. Everybody leave her out of this, please. She's an innocent girl and feels bad about all of this. Please give her peace. How are you saying please give her peace when you don't want raising hell? Yeah, like you ain't given her peace. Yeah, you ain't given her peace.

Leave my example, niggas. I've never said anything wrong or did anything wrong with Mariah the scientists. Well, the internet is great. The internet is on her ass because some of these calls. she was giggling and laughing. The biggest one being the call that leaked where he was calling Grolola Ugly. And people.

Okay, so women are caddy. We don't know that already? Yeah, but it doesn't mean that when, like, for example, we all say shit we ain't got no business saying or that we wouldn't want other people to hear. And so we can all understand that we all do that. But when it comes out, we can't expect other people

not to look at us like, bitch. Oh, no, for sure. Like, Gorilla probably would never fuck him or right again. If she ever did. They were cool. They've, like, I think they, she brought her out on a show or something like that, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. See, I didn't know. I didn't know that. Yeah. Because I was going to say, like, all right, I feel like there should be some grace given between a couple having a private, key key type conversation. But I didn't know that they, like, had a relationship. At that point, you can't.

So the internet is picking out, like, you know, they're coming from Mariah saying she's a pick me because, like, she had said, Mariah had said something like, well, they said Gloria look like Rihanna. And like, you know what I'm saying? Like, just little shit. So she's under fire right now. too. When Mariah said that they said

Glorilla. When Thug was talking already they said yeah they said she looked like Rihanna. That's what Mariah said? Not glorilla

not fucking well no more. It's quiet. If she was doing that on the call, yeah. So I tweet You also think that I'm sorry.

I tweeted something that I got the men in my DMs calling me all types of lying horrors because I said I don't like I don't like men

that I would never want to date a man that would sit on a phone and cackle about a woman's looks. You can agree that a woman is unattractive, but like sitting on the phone and cackling and like talking bad on a woman's looks, that's extremely unattractive to me. And I don't date men who did that.

They're like, you're lying. And I'm like, just because you bitch made don't mean the niggas, I fuck what is. I don't deal like, even if I was to call my man and be talking shit about a bitch, he was like, mm-hmm. Like, I hear you. Like, niggis and that bitch, this, this, this, like, that's women. I completely agree with your sentiment on that. I have no notes. I completely agree with everything you said. But. But look at it this way. What's the other side of that coin? You can't tell your girl that you think another girl's cute.

Why can you not that? So now you got to like overcompensate and be like, yeah, all them bitch is ugly. You're the only pretty girl. But even if you say that, I don't think that's bad. I don't think that's as bad as what Thug was doing. Like, if your girls were like, yeah, I don't know. They don't know none of them look better than you, baby. I don't think that that's not bad.

But not every girl is like you, Damaris, that swings both ways. What was it? It ain't even about swinging both ways. It ain't even about swinging both ways. I got home girls that straight as a fucking arrow, and they still don't want to sit up there and have that. That's insecure. That has nothing to do with being straight.

That's insecure. A lot of women on Mariah's poor. I'm not calling Mariah itself. I'm saying bitches who would expect their man, like when Rory said, we can't give other women a compliment on the phone with our girl. I think that's extremely insecure. Oh, yeah.

Oh, for sure. Like, the fuck you think you're the only good-looking bitch on this planet? That's what you're supposed to tell it, though. Oh, la see you. No, don't tell me that because now I feel like you, now you're lying. Now me and you both know we fucking fucking lying. Some insecure women want you to lie to them. Oh, okay.

In fact, most insecure women want you to lie. That's fucking insane. Yeah. So I just feel like maybe there needs to be more context into this. I'm not putting anything on Mariah the scientists because we don't know these people. But I don't know what their relationship is where sometimes if a girl gets brought up, yeah, she trash. Because you can't say she's.

he's okay, let alone beautiful. So you just, you know. Ugly as fuck saying she had a long ass bullshit ass wig. Skinny shit, goddamn big ass head, big mouth. I would not pursue her like at all. That shit ain't nothing. He went crazy.

You know what? I take back every point I just said. Like what? I take it all back. And then Glow responded and was like, mind you, this the same nigga blowing my phone up the ass what color my eyes is, laugh my ass off. That's what we'll realize said?

Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's why I said thug, welcome to podcasting. You can't talk shit. If you got a little, some demons in your closet, you can't talk about certain people. Jeffrey. If you'll pull up a deal like, oh, he was just in my DMs. He'd be like, every girl say that.

And then you see the DM and it's like, damn, all right, yeah. You know what the crazy part? What? You know how many more phone calls are left? More. That ain't even the first week in jail. This ain't even this. The longest trial in Georgia history.

This is, we're going to hear some. crazy shit. Like I'm talking about to hear, they're going to turn it up. They're going to be like, all right, you know what? Like, he didn't did this interview with bank. Cool. Niggas is like, yo, thug is hurt.

He lost his friends. Cool. Let me show you that he was never none of y'all friends. They're about to, when them tapes drop, oh, my. Whoever is leaking these. Bank, you got about seven more interviews you're going to have to do, but wait until they drop the interview with him told my bank.

Oh, man. When the government see that, Oh, he got an interview with who he thinks that's. It's going to be thugs saying like, banked to your podcast. Oh, my God. Oh, banked interviews. That's crazy. That bum-ass podcast, bank, shut up the mic when they dropped them tapes.

Oh, my God, bro. I know they have more just based off how they've spaced them out. It's not like the way that everything just dropped. Like they leaked one or they hacked one email and then all of it dropped. Listen. They're spacing these things out strategically. Bro, listen, one thing we can be sure of is every day that thug was in that jail, he was on that phone.

That's how many tapes we got left. Bored as fuck. That's how many tapes we got left. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's going to get bad. I think it's going to get a lot worse now. Now that he's trying to, like, you know, take accountability. Which is great.

You know, we give him grace there. That's great that he did that. But, like, I think that the, you know, the government is seeing that. And they're like, oh, so y'all think that, you know, he's this stand-up accountable guy. Okay, well, let me tell you. Let's continue to show y'all what he thinks about all of y'all. And I think they're going to continue to put these audio, these recordings. point I don't even think it's the government. I think it's just somebody doing their

reporter duty and no it's the government. It's definitely the government. They want to, they want to ruin his image as much as they can. They wanted to keep him incarcerated for life. And, you know, we saw the behind the scenes moves of the prosecutor. This was their case to get them to the next level. Down to Rudy Giuliani. Yeah. With Amal, like these celebrity cases make people's careers. Everyone switched their job to try to get on this shit. Right. And now they look crazy. So I'm not mad at it, but I will say the bank interview wasn't the reason that convinced me that Thug is not a rat. It was his tweet this morning where I was like, he was probably spinning the police because they think he's spinning me right now.

Times like these is when my loved ones are supposed to look at the good I did towards them. Not the ugly. No, then the ugly. Then the ugly. All right, but now hold on. With the heart emoji that's been broken, like he's trying to. Hold on. This is the most gas light and shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He spun those police. Listen. I really believe he was flirting when he gave that cop that number.

This is a gas lighter. This is one of those things where this is a gas lighter. The spelling of the word makes all the difference. Is this supposed to be then or then? Because if he's saying they're supposed to look at the good

I did towards them, then the ugly, that's a whole different thing. But if you're saying they're supposed to look at the good and then look at the ugly, it's like, damn, that's some gas-lighty shit.

But I think he meant to say then. A lot of niggas, then, then, then, there, there, That'd be kicking niggins' asses. So I think he meant to say the good I did towards them than the ugly. Look more at the good I did towards them than the ugly. But if he added more, that would make sense. I actually think this is grammatically correct in what he was trying to get across.

If he said more, I'd be with you. So he's saying look at the good idea first. Then go and look at me cheating. Like, think about when I said you're my baby dad. As I said, I don't know. It depending on which one it is, it can either be he's super gaslighting right now. Or he just made a grammatical, you know, more error in. When have you ever seen someone seriously used that emoji?

Nah, he really hurt. When you go find that one? Find one. I've never used that. I don't even know that emoji existed. I've never used the band-aid emoji. I've never used it. Never used that.

Broken heart again. Nothing less than learned. He tweeted at this morning. At 6.30 this morning. He didn't go to sleep. Doug ain't sleep, man. Mariah. Mariah.

633? Stop. Yo, 633, you let that fly? Yeah, Mariah, yeah, he hurt, man. They was on the phone the whole night, and she just kept asking, tell me why you did that shit. Yeah, he hurt.

No, I need to know why you did it. That nigga tweeted flaws in all last night, yo, I told somebody he said that. He said, yeah, Mariah must answer the phone. Tweeting flaws in all is crazy. She don't follow them? She don't have a Twitter. Smart girl.

Oh, he lost a girl that don't even got social media. Well, I think she got rid of her social. media when they was on her ass for supporting Tori. I think she got rid of her social media a long time ago. Her Twitter a long time ago. We had one of the greatest tweeters of all time in this very studio.

Thank you. You as well. Where do we rank flaws and all compared to offset tweeting yaw one? Because I think Thug in the last 48 hours may have surpassed offset of the last 10 years.

No. Like he's getting close to meek territory. Flaws and all with a heart emoji. Chapter ended with the heart emoji. That nigger, why his bitch, Matt, dog. And wait, did the heart get wounded before after? Is that him saying his heart is whole now? No, no, that was the heart wounded is this morning. Oh, so now it's, that was yesterday.

Can we look at the time for flaws and all? Yesterday. Okay. Wow. All right. So yesterday evening, his heart was full. And now it was hurt. Now it's mended.

It's broken. First of all, you cheat. on your girl and your heart being broken and bandaged up. Brough. Niggas is so... He spun the... I don't think he's a wreck.

I really think he was spinning the cops. Bro, this is crazy. Somebody had tweeted, yo, thug did that whole interview talking about how gun and not loyal, gun is supposed to stand by him, this, this, this and that.

But he won't stop cheating on his bitch. And I'm like, niggas be like that. You want a nigga to stay loyal to you, do everything for you. was out here calling him a rat and everything. You still like, yo, he ain't sent me no money.

But you can't keep your dick between your legs. You stay having no internet laughing at your bitch. Come on now. Don't preach me loyalty. Well, you know what they say. A dude is more loyal to their barber

than their girl. Yeah. A dude will cuddle with loyalty tattooed on his chest with a side bitch laying on the loyalty tattoo. Like, we know what type of time it is with that. Yeah.

It's fucked up, but it's real. That's real. I'm just being honest of... Yeah, no, it's real. It's real. I think that, you know, and Doug is still young. You're wrong.

Like, I'm not judging any, but yet. But Thug is young, man. Oh, my God. I'm so tired of that shit. He's young. He's a young, rich artist from Atlanta. I think of 34 years old, bro. He's cheating.

He's 34 fucking years old. That's young. 34 is young. I've made dozens and dozens and let's not even count them mistakes in my 30s. I've, my excuse would, never be that I'm young. I made the mistake.

I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I'm not judging Thug's, but it's always accountability. I'm never, I'm not saying that that's an excuse. I'm just saying Thug is young. He's just turned 34. Like, I don't expect no crazy loyalty from no fucking, when it comes to this woman from a 34 year old nigga from Atlanta. They got money and is in that lifestyle. Like, you think I expect that man. They're like, nah, I'm not fucking under these bitches. What? What are we talking about? I don't expect anything from anybody, but that doesn't, being young is not an excuse. I mean, it's one of them.

For a 33-year-old guy to be running around the streets of Atlanta with a bunch of money, I don't expect him to be loyal to his girlfriend. Like, he got a bunch of beautiful women throwing themselves at him. To me, that's the access he has, not his age. Because I think there's probably 50-year-olds with money and access. That's what they cheat on their wives. Him. In particular, him.

Okay. Like him. Yeah, that's like, I don't expect no loyalty from him. Like, yeah, that's part of his lifestyle. Women, it's rock star shit. drugs, sex. So then don't have a girlfriend. Nobody put a gun to your head.

Very true. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that as well. I'm sure we'll find a phone call where he says someone put a gun to someone's at. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. And be single. I agree.

I'm just saying like, when you look at everything, it's like, I don't expect anything else. Like, yeah, he's out there having fun. You know why a new thug was bored? He said, Andre 3000 never put anyone on. That's how I just know you just, you just bored in the jail. I can't say anything you're saying. You know,

we look at the, it's very specific to the type of person their lifestyle. You know, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't recognize

A way you may recognize him. He doesn't. He doesn't. And a lot of people from Atlanta don't. A lot of people from Atlanta have futures

the greatest artist out of Atlanta. Well, who has... You wouldn't say that Three Stacks and Dungeon Family like put the entire city on? I would.

Well, what do you consider putting on because that was a conversation that I saw people having, are you leading by example and opening doors or are you doing the Drake by giving people features? I'll cast literally broke the doors down for the cell. Okay, so let me, that's what I'm asking. Do you consider putting on opening doors and creating a lane or do you consider putting on the Drakeway,

taking someone putting them on a song or saying, hey, people listen to this person, they're hot. Which one do you consider putting on? Both. Both. Those are both different variations of, you know, pulling people up from your city and your area and giving them a look that they might not have, making them a part of your, putting them on your platform that you've built and amplifying

their talent and their art. I think that Outcast definitely, I don't, that's not even a question. If you don't know that, you just don't have the information on Outcast. How do you, that's not even conversation? I would say probably Gucci, if you're going by signed, put on, like, Gucci probably put on more people in Atlanta than any artists if you're counting that way. but do you think anyone would be like, yo, Cool Herk never put anyone on?

Right. Like, yo, Cool Herk never signed a artist and stamped it and was like, nah, he started this. Right, right. That's where it's just stupid to me. Like, what Dungeon family did, shit, if you go look, not to say that Three Stacks put Future on, but their click with Rico is Future's cousin.

Future's part of Dungeon Family. Like, Three Stacks talks about Future being in the dungeon in the basement of their crib. Like he put the entire This exists It exists because It's not even like a conversation And he was actually fucked up about that though

Is even I think it was at Fife's funeral When Three Stacks spoke And he complimented He thought the whole audience thought he was about the dish young thug And he was like nah thug These guys create the greatest melodies Like he was so Shit he gave thug a verse

Like he He spoke When everyone thought the real rap community Wanted Andre 3000 to hate the new Atlanta he championed the new It would never happen He was like Doug and Future are the ones Like

Everyone was waiting for three stacks To be like yo they're not lyrical Nah he was like yo These guys are nice That's not who he is He would never do nothing like that So I mean I just thought that was But you bored and you're in jail

And he was talking shit We gotta wait for the next You know Y'all thought Y'all thought This shit is just getting started Man Because you got to again

How long was he incarcerated and we know he was on that phone every day. So the audio is unlimited of, you know, the files that they got from his jail call. So we'll have to wait and see. Ah, shit, you would have to have my jail call if I found out that you added another last name to my kid. Speaking of future. Oh, you're so ridiculous. How am I ridiculous?

Talk to it. First of all, he wouldn't have to find out because he's, Sierra has full custody of her kids. So you, I'm sure she told him that it was happening. I'm sure it didn't. And first of all, it didn't happen. It came out a source close to Sierra, which is probably Sierra. A source close to Sierra.

A source close to Sierra. It was Jazz-Core. It was Jazzy Fay. Came out and said that happened a while ago. We're just now privy to it. But that happened a while ago. And it was just added on. It's not like, it's an Instagram name.

It's not a, she didn't show a legal ID, right? weren't they at the tennis shit? But I think it's official that like that his name, his last name has Wilson in it. Oh, no. See, I, no. But see, I did. Okay. Nah.

You fighting just to fight? Nah. We podcasting right now? Who's podcasting? I'm asking you. Are we podcasting? The bottom of my healed heart. He's a father.

Okay. Are you fucking crazy? Okay. He's an active father. He has, he takes, if, if anybody was going to have full custody of Amara, it would be you. I don't even like, I don't even like the term active father because then like, no, I'm a father. Okay. You're a father.

That baby lives 24-7 with his stepdad and has since he was one years old. So why is it not okay for him to add the name on, be adopted by his stepdad and add the name on? What's wrong with that? Adopted. He got two parents. People who you can still get adopted even when you have. I know. Those are the videos that make me cry the most, but it's not the same circumstance of two parents that are living.

Why isn't it? If one is taking full care of him. That's his dad, bro. That's his dad. Again, this is other people's kids that we don't even know about. If Little Future calls Russell Dad, I mean, I get the stepdad.

I think stepdad's are important. I think it's healthy for that entire thing. But adding the last name, typically, only happens when the father has either passed away or is completely absent. Like, you don't even know

what that motherfucker is. We tried 23. We tried everything to find this. That's changing the last name. She did not change it. She added one on because something that people brought one up. And again, we don't know these people's business. It's all speculation.

Something that people brought up is the fact that everybody else in the household has the same last name. His brothers, his sisters, whatever. And he doesn't. He got 75 brothers and sisters with different last name. Okay, but that's not his immediate family, Rory. Oh, so she added Wilson. Wait, his siblings aren't his immediate family? She added Wilson on.

Okay. So he still has his dad's name. Yes. There's literally nothing wrong with that. There's literally. Oh, sure. No, I think outside looking in, it's a very healthy co-parenting situation with what they're doing. I'm just saying.

Okay. Ain't a fucking way another last name is being added. He still has futures last name. Like word. Okay. He still has features last name. He just added the Wilson. Okay.

I'm not mad at that. I'm not. People have been talking about that dynamic since that baby. You say you're going to what? Let me say some real ignorance. Say it. Same way with these rappers after we find out some shit about them, we can't really like respect their lyrics.

Talked about the cold thing. If I ever hear future rap an ounce of a violent lyric, I don't believe you. Oh, you be able to everybody dying. You're being ridiculous. Everybody's dying. Why? The mom is married. She's rematch.

She's married to a... Congrats. That's amazing. What that got to do with my son? Has full custody of her child. Okay. Full custody. You know what full custody is?

I know what full custody is. Okay, that means I don't even got to ask his, I don't even got to ask his daddy to take him out the country. I have full custody of my kid because I'm the only one taking care of this motherfucker. You no longer have a say. You keep speaking from an active dad's perspective. You're speaking from this perspective of an active dad. Yeah, that's all I'm speaking.

Okay. So then you can't speak on that situation. Period. I'm asking you because I don't know. Future is not active at all. I'm sure he has a relationship with his kid. But when another one, when you're, when you give the mother full. custody, you know what that means, Ma. You know what it. There's plenty of active fathers,

real fathers, where the mother has full custody, though. That's usually joint, that's usually joint custody. They usually have joint custody. Full custody is not just, I live with you full time, and I get, and they get the baby. No, no, I know, I know. Custody is legally. They have joint custody. Legally, that's what, this is AI. This is AI. I never live. But the future, but his son lives primarily with Sierra. When it says what is co-parenting like for you when somebody, I remember that interview, somebody asked Sierra that Sierra just started laughing. See, I don't know what that. I hate when women do that.

Because that laugh. Sierra. No, answer, talk. No. You can laugh, but then, like, answer the question. But I think, I think Sierra was trying to be respectful as possible and try to stay away from mess when they asked her. I respect that. Yeah.

She definitely does a great job of that. She doesn't, she doesn't end up in a lot of mess. But, yeah, I mean. I think they have joint custody. She's never prevented her son from seeing his dad. But again, again, I don't know. The source came out and said Sierra got full custody. And I don't, sources like that don't usually just pop.

Russell Wilson is 34? Yeah, he's young. Remember, he's young. He's young. He's young. He's considered a dinosaur in the NFL. He's like, when's this old fuck going to retire? Well, Russell Wilson is 34.

Yeah, he's younger than me. It's crazy, right? I hate getting older. I thought he got drafted. Oh, he's 36. That's still there. I thought he got drafted at 36. Really?

I thought Russell Wilson was closer to 40 than 30. I thought he was way closer to 40 than 36. Sierra's 39. He's 36. Okay. Sierra's 39. That makes sense. Wow.

Okay. Do we owe a hove an apology? For what? Future got real bent out of shape with that bar on Kill Jay-Z. It appeared to be some prophecy there. Oh, got that right? You crashed out and it was it was right. Well, I mean, I don't, I mean.

Whatever's healthier for the kid. Yeah, and listen, Russell Wilson stepped up. You know, he obviously, him and Sierra obviously married. So, you know, Sierra wants to give her son, you know, the last name of Wilson, added to Wilburn. So be it, man. As long as the, you know, as long as the child is raised with love. And it looks like he is. It looks like he is.

All right. But which one goes last? I think Wilson is at the end. Well, yeah, Wilson because Sierra's last name now is Wilson as well. Nah. You mean, nah. You got, it got to be Wilson Wilburn. If we're going to add this into the mix, at least my last name needs to be the last one.

Okay. I mean, if that's how you feel, you know, you, you're a real dad. I can't argue with you on that. You know what I mean? What I just don't. And shit, the way we see Russell playing with Future, like, And we know Future is a tall guy that looks like he comes from a great gene pool. Little Future could make the league.

What happens when Wilburn Wilson is on the back of the jersey? Like that's going to fly off the stands. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, it's going to fly off the stand because of the Wilson. Or what happens when... And who has stepped at it. But what happens if Sierra does like a chair choreography dance with her son's jersey

and it just says Wilson on the back? Well, that's her last name. No, but it's his jersey. She's wearing her son's jersey. Okay. Everyone's dying. I feel, listen, man. I just think that's completely ego-driven.

It's so ego-driven. It's so ego-driven. That's completely ego-driven. What is ego-driven? Of course, I'm joking around, but like, what is ego-driven with that? That's not ego-driven. You don't think that you worry about, yo, my son's last name when you are not there every day with your son, somebody else is.

You're that worried about that? My name is my name. My name has my daddy's blood on it. Like, my daddy's blood on it. So if your blood means that. Nothing is more important than your last name, your legacy, your family. Nothing is more important than your last name, your legacy. What about your son that you don't have full time, that you'd rather run around?

You and I are talking. Future's not in the room. I don't know future. I don't know what he does with son. I'm telling you why you think I think that would be crazy. Yeah, that's nuts to me. And first of all, I'm also someone that was fine. Like, even with Kia, if you wanted to hyphenate that shit and say Jacob Farrow, I'm fine with that.

But adding somebody else in the mix with a name, no, the, the, the, name means something. Yeah, it means something. The person that sent him there rape, I got a tattooed like an idiot at 14 years old, my family crest, because that's just what you did because you didn't, like, I forget my last name for some reason. But yeah, that shit is very much important. No, is your last name not important to y'all? And it's still there. That might be in like a good box. Exactly. Like, I'm like, it's just, the confusion. Like, the confusion is so crazy. Pete said you can prevent that by just like being a good dad. I'm saying future's not in this room. We don't know him. I'm talking you and I. Like to me,

Yes, I would have a huge issue. And we also don't know, and I'm putting anything on Sierra. I'm sure there's been plenty of times where there's been women that have held their child away from the father because they got a new relationship. Like, let's not act like all women are the most amazing mothers and don't use their kid as a weapon. Okay, but we weren't talking about that.

I know. I know. And you were getting bit off of shape. I don't know anything about their dynamic with their child, so I don't know. That's why I was saying off what Pete said, you could just be a good father. And I'm saying there's also women that, have had children with good fathers that they keep away from their kid.

For sure. Get a new relationship. I'm just spite you and add this last name here. Like, let's not act like that doesn't exist. For sure. Absolutely. Yeah, but how, like I... To me, playing with last names is like a...

When people say that, it's just like, yes, there are. I'm sure there's women that are just so upset and they just, you know, you're such a good dad, but they just want to keep the baby away from you. But let's be honest, how often does that really happen? You're really a great dad, but they want to keep the baby away from you. They want to keep their kid 24-7 to be a single mom and had his bad, motherfucker living in this house with me 24-7, but you're such a great dad. They won't give them to you. How often do you think that really happens? Let's talk about the rapper from Atlanta that put

nobody on. His verse on Donda, Andre 3000. Hey, Ms. Donda, can you ask my father if you felt insecure that he didn't have my last name? My mama probably did it out of spite. It happens all the time. Like, what do we? He literally rapped about a healthy relationship of just young people having a kid and out of spite because she was in her feelings and a young lady that didn't know what she was doing, was mad at the dad. His dad's last name is not Benjamin. That's his mother's last name. Probably did it out of spite. But that's, okay, we're talking about him having his mother's last name, not another man's last name or keeping away from, keeping the kid away from his dad. We're talking about a last name. I'm saying people, not just women, do things out of spite

and the last name is a big thing. Yes. Okay. But that was a completely different conversation It's a spiteful thing. I'm purposely giving my son my last name, even though my father is active right here, but she's doing it out of spite. Because they are in a rocky relationship. Okay, just because Andre said that on a song also does not mean that that's just that.

Because also if we're not married, why does my son have your last name and not mine? Why is your last name more important that my son, who I pushed out of my pussy, should have a different last name than me? Because of misogyny. Exactly. Oh, cool.

Yeah. Exactly. But Andre 3000 didn't say, okay, because the world has been misogynistic since the day of time. He said she probably did that in spite. Yeah. Because he called up. No, I'm with you. That's why I even said to Kia.

If you want to do the hyphen of shit, like there was one kid in my school that had the hyphen it thing. And we all thought he was a fucking weirdo. But, you know, that kid usually ends up weird that has the hyphen, but I'm here for the hyphen. You know, I'm not wrong. The kid with the hyphen ends up a little weird. That's not true. It's very true. I feel like we can find out.

I feel like there's a study on that. somewhere. I feel like we could find out the exact percentage. But because I do agree that a lot of that is based off ancient misogyny where the father just, the last name goes to the kid, I was here for the hyphen. Keith was like, no. Marcia just had your last name. But I was open to it.

I was definitely not against it at all. My kid will have a hyphen, whether I'm married or not. I respect that. Matter of fact, I don't know if I'm going to have more kids. Your kid will have a hyphen. Whether I'm married or not, my kid. His father's name and your name. Because even if I get married, my last name will be hyphenated.

So my last name means a lot to me, a lot to me. I never said last names don't matter, Rory. You're being uptips on purpose. I never said last names. It didn't matter. My last name means a lot to me, so I'm hyphenating regardless. But I've dealt with men that were like, I'm not with that. And I was like, I didn't plan on marrying you anyway.

But some men don't like that, which is just so, it's all just ego-based to me. Like, my kid will have my last name. Yeah, so am I. It will have my last name too. My grandfather put a name on my last name, and so did his parents. So, like, yeah, my shit means. a lot to me. It can be high-frey. I should. I don't know if I want to have more kids. Most of my cousins are, are, so I have a girl. So like the feral legacy at least in this part of the

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Unlimited voice calls. All these people, just for free. Unlimited voice mails. $25. There you go. Hey, y'all, so I have a question. So I had a friend from fourth grade, I mean, elementary school, all the way up to our late 20s. And last year, she graduated from this program.

And I unfortunately didn't go because I just felt uncomfortable. I used to date her because. and we fell off pretty bad and it was just seeing her whole family which I used to be close with and you know my ex already has his own family himself he has kids you know his wife and everything so I just felt like you know I didn't necessarily have to be at the party but we could do something else so we could go on to dinner we could go clubbing etc so that same year I got married and guess what y'all she didn't fucking go to my wedding because I don't know she felt like very hurt that I didn't go to her party.

But she didn't go to my wedding. And we're still, like, on social media, but we really haven't spoken in, like, a year. And my baby shower is coming up, and I don't know, like, is it wrong that I don't invite her or should I invite her? Am I right for not inviting her? Because we still have, like, a circle of friends,

but me and her just don't speak. So I just need advice, like, should I just really detach myself? Like, what should they do? Don't invite her. It's giving that y'all not friends. Like, you're going to hang that up, baby. I feel like you could probably.

And it's not like they're not friends because of beef. Because I think some people think that outgrow each other. Yeah, just outgrow each other. It's not like something happened. Like somebody said something or it's just one of those things where you just, you know, life just takes you in different directions. We don't speak as much. You know, she didn't come to your wedding.

I don't see why she would come to your baby shower. I think that that's kind of like hand in hand. Yeah. So, you know. I mean, did she have a reason why she didn't show up to the wedding? She said, well, I mean, she assumes that it's because the other one didn't show up to like her graduation party or whatever. I mean, she said that they're all in the same circle of friends. I mean, I'm not saying be chatty patty with everything.

But I would talk to some people in your circle that are still close with her and get a temperature check. Like, hey, what happened with the wedding? Was it because of the graduation? Would it be weird if I didn't? Like, I would ask the circle of friends you're in that are still close with her, no? Yeah. That would be the people I would. Yeah, I would say, yeah, ask them.

But if you're calling, obviously here and asking us, my answer is, nah, don't invite her. Yeah, I mean, I don't think you need to, to be quite honest. Yeah. Skip the wedding. And, I mean, shoot, maybe you save $200 on a plate. Like, maybe it was for the better that she didn't show. Baby shower? No, still wedding.

Oh. Yeah, you pay for a plate. But, yeah, I would ask. I said they charge a $2 a plate for a baby shower. Shit. I mean, but she's like, everybody cooks something and bring it. Like, I ain't know it was $2.00.

If we don't have, if we don't have this type of friendship where you can call me, sorry, and ask me these questions, why would I show up to something, a wedding or a baby shower where I have to pay, I have to pay for this. I have to pay, I have to get you a gift. I have to get a dress. I'm spending money on somebody and you ain't even really my friend for real because you can't even call me and ask me what the fuck the issue is. I'm cool.

But there's a, there's a thing, though, because I know somebody that, went through something like this with, you know, having a baby, baby shower and all of that. And they were like sisters. And to the day I asked like, yo, what happened? You're like, yo, I don't know. Like, it just stopped talking, stop, you know, reaching out. Didn't, you know, congratulate me when I was, you know, got pregnant. When I had the baby, like none of that.

And it was like just completely just don't speak. And it is the craziest shit in the world. Because I'm like, y'all would like sisters. You know what I'm saying? It's like I don't know what happened. So, you know, things happen in friendships and relationships where there's a thing of you kind of don't know what happened and then so much time has passed where neither one of y'all reached out to kind of have that conversation.

So now it's like, you know, we haven't spoken in over a year. Yeah. Who's going to make that call? I don't feel like I was wrong. So actually like this person started acting funny and just completely like, you know, didn't acknowledge my wedding or didn't acknowledge. my pregnancy or my baby shower. So I'm supposed to still even accept all of that and then reach out.

I'm like, yo, like some people feel like they shouldn't. It should be the other person like, yo, she's the one not speaking to me or she stopped talking to me and all of a sudden. So why am I reaching out speaking out? Like even me sometimes I've had, I think I've told you, like I reached out to a couple of my friends that we just kind of lost touch. And I did not know why. Like I cannot tell you why we stopped speaking.

But it got to a point where I was just really confused. It was like, yo, why the fuck do we not speak? And then you reach out and then you realize like it really was nothing in particular. It was just kind of, it was just like a life thing like, yo, like I have a kid now, you know, I'm doing this. And, you know, I'm busy with, you know, our show and doing things like life just happens. But it is important to kind of like reach out and be like, yo, what, like what's up? Like, what's going on? No, I agree.

Because there's definitely like lifelong relationships with people that I don't speak to every day. But love is always still there. But it kind of goes back full circle to the Japanese lady of like, what does this mean to you? Like, if I'm comfortable of us not speaking for years and years, it doesn't mean there's a problem. But if I haven't reached out, maybe I just don't need to. Like maybe I can just move on with the people that are active in my life at this moment. Yeah, but that's tough when there's somebody that you fucking knew for since you were 10, 11 years old. That's tough to kind of just be like, yo, we just don't.

And like I said, y'all were through adulthood, we're in each other's lives, and then pregnancy happens or marriage happens and things like that. And then we just completely... Like I'm trying to, all right, so I'm thinking like lifelong friends. My best friend, yeah, since kindergarten, he'd be invited to everything. But we also have a group chat with three other people that I'm still like, we talk every day in the group chat from high school friends. but I wouldn't be like, yo, y'all want to come to Amar's birthday party. I would only my man's from kindergarten. But those are still my lifelong friends, but like we don't hang out.

Matter of fact, group chats is probably the reason why we're still talking like that. Like I wouldn't be like, yo, come to Amar's birthday party. What people that you went to high school with did you still talk to? Yeah, because it's just not even that type of relationship. Like we, they'd be throwing memes in the chat. Like, we don't have like life conversations. like that. Matter of fact, one of them just had a kid and that was the only reason that I had him come to Omar's second birthday because he had a kid. Now that I think about it,

I don't speak to nobody from my high school. Yeah. Well, you said they are gay now. I didn't say all most. Which basically means they're rats. Yeah, like they're caught the thugger now. Everyone you went to high school with snitch. See what I took from that thug bang every do. Now I know why I don't speak to them because they're snitches. Yeah, they're rats. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but I don't know why. I don't... There's not much... No, I'm lying.

It's people I went to high school, but those are like my family. That's like cousins for real. Like, we speak. But outside of that, like, I really don't... Like, every now and then we may, you know, hit each other up. You know, it was good, but I speak to people. Like, I lived, like, in my neighborhood every day, like, on my block. Like, we, you know what I'm saying?

We grew up together. Like, I speak to them pretty often, if not every day. But yeah, like high school? But I think sometimes life moments matter when it comes to guessless. Like, even if you're getting married, your married friends may be closer to you because of the lifestyle. Y'all are living now versus the people that you've run up with. Cruz, my guy from Rock Nation, Cruz, love Cruz, right? I've known Cruz for maybe three, four years at most.

Cruz came to my daughter's second birthday Cruz as a child him and I speak every single day because of work as well outside of me just liking Cruz as a person

I thought of him before I thought of my high school friends that I've known for 30 fucking years because like no y'all don't have kids like I also don't want to make that weird when I send you a kid birthday invite and you don't come

now that now it's like all right that's weird so yeah it's about your life lifestyle too of the people that are around you that match with what you're going through at the time. I think that's important. I remember I didn't get invited to my boy's wedding. And I was like, damn, you don't feel no way about that? And at the time, I didn't, but I didn't understand why I didn't feel away.

And then him and his wife ended up getting divorced in like two years. I was like, oh, that's why I didn't feel away. Because I felt like that shit wasn't going to last. Because I remember in the moment, I didn't feel any. I was just like, nah, I'm not tripping. really did not care at all. You know what I'm saying? And then they got divorced.

I was like, that's probably why I never really, like, bothered me that I didn't get invited because it was kind of like, shit didn't even last. Like, two years I was divorced. So it's like, yeah, but I don't know. I think I think so. Did you ever hear the 50 cent crazy record with P&B Rock, rest and piece? He said, I pay for my cousin's wedding over $200,000.

Six years later, he's the wrong man. I'd be so fucking tight. Oh yeah, that's tough. $200,000 and six years later, y'all divorced? Yeah. But then also, there's weddings that I wouldn't go to because I don't even believe y'all want to get married. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I'm a way smart. Weddings are expensive. For sure. Especially if they're not, shit. With Taylor's wedding, when she told me it was in New York, I was like, thank the fucking Lord. Because knowing her, I thought that shit was going to be in fucking like Brazil or something.

I'm like, all right, well, let me start empty in the piggy bank now for this shit. When she said New York City, I was like, you have no idea how much that just changed my life because I have a child. I work every fucking day. I'm shit going on. Like, yeah, that matters a lot too. For sure. I'm going to a Maddie who's writer on her staff. You guys remember Maddie?

Yes. She's getting married in New Hampshire this month. That's a cute little drive. Yeah. And I can't wait for a wedding. I love her husband. I offended him at my daughter's birthday party, which I'm. I told you guys.

I can't wait. But also, I hit Loyon to budget the shit. Like, where it is, it's in New Hampshire is not, there's not like, hotels and shit.

I got to like rent a house. It's like a lot of fucking money. Yeah. Like, that's a commitment for people to invite people to weddings. I hate, and I love Maddie and I can't wait for it,

but I'm not going to pretend like this isn't a pretty penny for fucking New Hampshire. Like, yeah. It's only renting houses. This is the only thing you do. Don't invite me to your wedding. And God forbid, don't invite me to be in that bitch. Please don't know.

Do you think either of us who ever get married? Pige, I didn't like that laugh. Um, I think that. And only Pige came to my engagement party. Mall wouldn't drive to St. Albans Queens for me. I think there's a, there's a possibility. I didn't even know you had an engagement party. You were invited us.

I was? 100%. I don't even remember that. To answer the question. I'm sorry, Damascus. I'm sorry. You can just put a cut of a beep and then we can get back into, I need more to stop laughing.

Well, Maugh laughing can lead into the question that you just add. Oh, no, no, no, no. We're rolling already. He's already cut it and we're moving forward. So I think it's a possibility for either of you to get married. Yeah, I think that's a possibility. Thanks, DeMaris.

We really, really nailed it. It's a possible. We know it's a possibility. Anything is a possibility. I think it's a possibility. Do you think Maul and I are going to get married? nothing. If you continue.

I think there's a better possibility of Maul and I can marry to each other than they're expressed. Listen, wow. Yeah, Maul, according to the government, we are, we are in bed together. Oh, it's the same doctor. According to the IRS, we are 50-50 partners. I think if you guys continue. You want to take my last name?

If you continue in the way that you are currently, no, I do not. think that either of you will get married. And the way you're currently going, what am I currently doing? I'm actually in a very healthy place in my life. Yeah, me too. Very healthy. Don't ask me questions y'all want the fucking answers to. Y'all acting like my nigger now.

Don't ask me questions. As you answer it, I'm just kind of like, you know, just ad lipping off your answer. Do y'all think y'all will get married? Yeah, I think I will. When? Now that, I don't know. Only got. Ballpark.

Carried it too. I don't. birthdays in two weeks Who's counting? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, my 60s maybe, 50s. Yeah. But at that point, I think I think it's too late for you. I think you're married? No, no, I think you can have a life partnership, a monogamous partnership with somebody for the rest of your life. But by the time you're 50 and have a little bit of money,

why am I getting married? No, I mean, so I can die. You can just have all this shit? No. Marriage to me is for like people. lack of a better word like in your 20s where you think life is... You said lack of a better word and landed...

Okay, go ahead. Like, you just have the hope that this is going to work out for the rest of your life in your 20s, your 30th. You still have the dream. Yeah. Life is not torn you down and broken you down to the emoji that Thug posted. You still have hope.

You still think the world's going to bring you good things and love exists. And you hear... That shit is not for people in the 50s? You hear this person talking and they got upset when I said, I don't think that they will get married if they continue to be the person that they are. Do you hear the way that he's talking about love and marriage and partnership? Okay.

I said probably not. But I am in a healthy place. I can receive love. I just, first of all, I'm only 35. We established that mall is 46 today. I'm saying, yeah, I think once you hit 50, what's the point of getting married? You could still have a life partnership. Just why am I?

I'm signing a document at 50 years old. Yeah, I'm cool. I can do a will. Y'all do. I have a will. Y'all keep saying like this sign in a document thing when marriage, the government eventually got in your business, but marriage did not start out as a business agreement. Is it a business agreement?

Yes. But that's not all there is to marriage. I think marriage started as a business agreement. People go probably. People go in front of God and promise and devote themselves to their partner in front of their God of choice. That is the most important part about marriage. So this knocking it down to just a business agreement or finding a piece of paper.

No, I'm standing in front of an altar in pledging myself to you in front of whoever our chosen deity. I give my all to have. I don't know. That's just a great wedding song. I don't know. That's not a good. It's a breakup song. No, but it's still a good wedding.

Yeah, I broke up with my girlfriend and married you. And you're saying I'd give my all to have just one more night with my ex while I'm standing at the altar with. It was a shotgun wedding. We're getting married because she's pregnant. I'm doing it right there. My mom baptized my daughter in my bathtub. So, like, you could do anything. Yeah, you can do anything.

I'm not saying Maul would not go. I mean, he has a Jesus piece. So clearly he would go upon white Christ. He could do that with his partner. Yeah. But that's not government-wise. You could just do a will. Rory, when y'all be thinking about it.

And my will, it says all the pull the plugs, who's allowed here? Demaris, you're allowed to pull the plugs. Don't put that on me. Oh, it's in there. It's in writing. That's not, it's not in writing. You did not give me permission to pull your plugs. First of all, you didn't ask me if I wanted that responsibility.

Pull it. Pull it. That's what I'm saying. Wait, am I, no, no, no. You didn't put half in on the will. Wills are expensive. I'm about to say, am I in the will or am I in the business agreement that if you so do pass, I get a piece of the business. No, that's not. So then why the fuck are you putting a pull in a plug on me?

Because then I'm just going to kill you because I don't. What the fuck? It demands to pull that plug so fast. You know, it was one of the more morbid things when Moll and I started our business was when Loyon put together that agreement of if one of, if one of, us dies and we had to have a real conference call about mall dying or me dying. No, but he was doing his job. Like, you have to. Yeah, no, of course.

It was just, it was like having the if I die call on your calendar is crazy. That was a very morbid zoo. Morbility. Hey, you'll listen. All right. So if all die, like you sign in here to say that 50% go to his family and everything. I was like, I mean, Lois, I would do that anyways. We don't need to like, like, I would have hit Biggs and be like, yo, take this 50% and give it to his sister, his nephew, his mom.

Holy shit. I was like, no, you got to have that in writing. I was like, all right, I'll sign this death certificate. Life is so fucking crazy, man. To the young lady, though, do not invite her, I guess, you know, see a baby shower. Or if you miss her caller and say, oh, what's the problem? People be so afraid of, like, confrontation. Now all confrontation has to be negative.

Like, if you care about this person and you want to fix her. relationship, obviously you do because you're even considering this. Call her and say, yo, what's up? Like, what's going on with us? It's going to be uncomfortable. It's going to make you feel weird in your crevices. But, like, if you care about this person and sometimes that's just what you got to do. Everybody got to stop being so afraid of confrontation.

Like, figure out what the, because sometimes the problem don't even be that fucking serious. Y'all can get over it. You don't even be that deep, right? It ain't that serious. Like, we could have had this conversation a year and a half ago. Yeah. Fuck is y'all. It's like, y'all are scared.

Like, what the fuck are y' y'all so afraid of? People be afraid to have conversations. I saw Rory in them Twitter Spaces again. Yeah, I was on the last night. Why do I keep getting those notifications? How do I turn that off from my phone? You probably can just go in there. You get notifications?

When you were in Twitter Spaces? I was in Twitter Spaces. I was in Twitter Spaces. No, this was last night. You were talking about, what was that Saturday that you would hit me? Yeah. Twitter Spaces? Friday.

You get notifications for that? From anything that my name is mentioned in. Oh, you got like Google Alerts and shit on. I don't know what the fuck it is. I'm like, I don't. I don't care about none of this shit. Why am I getting alerted about this shit? I don't care.

You have six phones, that's why. Yeah, that is true. But you can do another spaces soon, though. I'm down. I'm down. Talk to the girls. What's my girl's name? Kiara.

What's the other ones? That's, uh, Nini. Damaris was on with Nini. On Saturday. And it's another one. What's the other one? We met at the New York show. I don't remember.

I forgot her name. Damn. I don't want to. But yeah, I was in, I was in Twitter spaces with them because, well, the name of the Twitter spaces was like, oh, talking about this, talking about that. and then they put sassy Maris in there. So I wrote niggas like, the fuck you niggas calling me sassy.

Oh, that's why you were texting me to get in the space. No. Oh, no. No. We could have got it shaking if you wanted. It wasn't a space beef. Amar could obeyed their self to Maris. Like, you could have just,

you should have told me that part. Yeah, why you ain't called me? I would have ran down with you? No, I don't need to run down. I just wanted to know. I'm like, well, why are y'all calling me sassy? And they said because when I did my calling during,

when I was in Curisle, when I did my calling, they said I seemed like I had an attitude and like I didn't want to be there. Oh yeah, we said the same thing. Because you dislocated your hip in a pool. No, not even that. But because I was still having problems with my ovary. That was, I was in a lot of pain. So I told them that I was like I wasn't being sassy.

They didn't force me to call in. That was actually my idea. But I was just in a lot of pain. And I was trying to not look like I was in pain, but I was in pain, which is why I got off the phone so abruptly. Oh, said out to the girls because we definitely said that in here. Pige was like, damn. Demaris was like she didn't want to do that shit.

No, I wasn't. I was in pain. I think we cut half of it. And the crazy, the crazy shit is, I cut most of it. I called Roar, I mean, I text Roaring and said, hey, I'm sorry. Which I wish you would have shared with them instead of everybody thinking I just got a fucking attitude problem. I text you and said, hey, I'm in a lot of pain. That's why I got off.

We knew off mic that you were not feeling well. Oh, okay. We knew that part. That's why you need a will, just in case. Okay. Yeah. I finally convinced my dad at his age to get a will. That took years of convincing.

Jake, he doesn't need a will. A will needs Jake. We were. at Yankee Stadium he had shorts on and I could see like a bump on the side of his calf and I was like what's that he said my cancer's acting up I didn't mean to laugh but that's that is the answer that is such a Jake answer I bust out laughing my cancer's acting up nigga it's not like arthritis like a rash my cancer's acting up bad like you get some point in life we just like just bring it all man who gives a fuck like big ass tumor

on your leg. My cancer's acting up again. He's getting it removed. That the fuck is in the hospital every other day. There's a new tumor just getting removed. He walk out like he just got the flu shot. The way I've seen other people get tumors removed, it's like a whole thing. It's a process. He really just

be walking out like, no, I'm good. He don't make them like that anymore. That's the problem with the world. He don't even be limping. He'd be trying to walk on the leg. They don't make him like Jake no more. We need to bring the Jakes back, man. We didn't show my Uncle Brian's ashes. We didn't show that video, do we? Oh my God. I laughed so hard at that. I laughed so hard.

I put it in the chat. We tried to spread my Uncle Brian's ashes at Yankee Stadium, but how the wind was working, and nobody would listen to me, how the wind was working. Uncle's Brian's ashes ended up on Jerome Adams on the top of a fucking civic. Uncle's Brian ashes. It's all over the window of the portrait. Just the thought of it sounds great. His ashes are blowing the center field, maybe left field, get some ashes or maybe Aaron, Judge, who knows. But like, it did not happen that way. They were at the top of the stadium. Like, the last seat went to the side of the stadium and, you know, had a bag,

dumped the asses, and the wind was blowing out of the stadium around the back of the stadium. On to Jerome Avenue in the Ford train. I didn't send y'all. There was another angle of the seats we were in, because I showed y'all the video that I was taken when we were up there. somebody in the seats we were across the stadium took another video and you can see the ashes swoop out of the stadium and everyone on the bus back was like no i think they made it to the field and i was like whoever took that video followed the ashes out of the stadium yeah uncle brian is not in centerfield

i can promise you he's not well when the wind blows the other the other way one day they'll blow them into the stadium no no i don't think you understand it rained all kind of shit since then uncle brian is in the sewer his elbow is in concourse village right now New York City. Uncle Brian knows that they meant well, but he's nowhere near Yankee Stadium. I can promise you that. Yo. He's not.

But I understand. It was a great, you know, a great sentiment. Yeah, I tried. So they taped, they taped his photo. We bought an extra ticket. Which I was supposed to do was get the ticket to go on the field before the game and just kind of sprinkling them right through on the third baseline. My godfather asked a bar to open at 7.30 in the morning.

where the bus was in Nutley, New Jersey. 7.30 in the morning, he opened a bar for 45 Irish fucks. You think anyone was making it onto the field when they started drinking at 7.30. The entire bus was just coolers of Bud Light everywhere. I'm shocked we made it to the game. Did they win that game? Did they win? Oh, yeah. Smoked them. No, I have good luck with Yankee Stadium.

But we put my uncle Brian's, we bought an extra ticket, put his picture like on one of the seats like in the section and somebody with us had like a a 9-11 shirt on never forget of course and a woman walked up and was like did he die in 9-11 I was like no no no no he didn't and she said well my husband did he was a firefighter I was like I thank him for his service I swear to God this is all People are so awkward, yo. People are so fucking awkward. And then meet my awkward ass and like, oh, okay.

Yeah. Well, thank you. Who just yelled? Did he die in 9-11? I mean, it makes sense, though. I get it. The shirt, but... Yeah, it makes sense.

But no. You weren't doing a tribute to 9-11. It was in August. And then the ashes, obviously. We got it. It all ties together, always what I'm saying. Oh, man. Well, rest of peace, Uncle Brian, man.

Rest and peace, Uncle Brian. You were laid to rest on Jerome Avenue. And 9-11 is. in a couple days again. So rest of peace to everybody that was lost in 9-11, right? Because we can never forget. For sure?

Yeah. Absolutely. All right. Well, we'll talk to you on a couple days. On 9-11? On 9-11. We'll talk to you on 9-11. 9-1.

Don't we have Jocelyn on 9-11? Oh, my God. Pray for us as we pray for y'all. And we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger.

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