New Rory & MAL - Episode 404 | Flip The Menu Over

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Before we kick off the pod, shout out to Rory for dropping a video for "Off Road". Go check it out. We get straight to the point and debate if Rory said the "N Word" (6:04). Our Radio RICO conversation has been in circulation, but what's going to happen next? (13:48) Chris Brown shows respect to Michael Jackson, Beyonce, and Usher, and Mal gives CB his credit for being the best dancer of the group. Ain't no chance we catch Beyonce doing a backflip. (48:00) Charlie Sheen lost his mind on Good Morning America and admited he had gay sex while on crack. (1:11:52) Plus, a voicemail got us talking about "poor people food" (1:20:05) + more! #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Shameless plug, everybody, please go watch the off-road video featuring Masego. And Freddie Gibbs, directed. That's my dog right there. That's my dog. Directed by my best friend, Raven. She smoked it at RavyB. That's my dog.

I'm happy that she took time off from shooting Beyonce, Jayze, and Adele. Yeah, she has other people that she works with. To film my dumb ass trying to wrap. She's really, no, rabies. She's really made it now that she's like, now that she's like shot you? That's just a funny resume. Like, I mean, not to say that she has like a real resume that she would go in to give

to a gig, but just imagine seeing that on the resume. Like in order, though. Yeah. All right, so you did both on the run tours. You did Adele's entire residency in Vegas. And then after that, you decided. compared to the what? To the Mesaigo Freddie Gibbs and Rory.

Those are small feats. Ravey, you have now made it. Congrats, Ravey. Yeah, man. We're two for two. We are two for two. Congrats, man. Video is dope.

I love it, man. I love it. Yeah, it was definitely a fun, fun video for sure. I will say, don't get pushed in a pool with expensive corduroy zone because they will bring you down and you will drown. Yeah. Like, I was fighting for my life to get to the shallow end at one point. Like, those corduroys was really, really.

weighing me down. You hit your core. You're working on your core trying to try not to die. Yeah. But please, please watch it. Give it a view. How long do they have to watch

for a view to count? Just a second? No. All right. Well, I mean, just watch the whole thing then. And then just maybe put it on repeat. I got to get it to somebody. Yeah.

So they can watch it. Yeah. I had to pitch to YouTube. That's always fun. Ooh. Just sell yourself on a Zoom. To try to make the video deeper than it really is.

It's like, nah. Freddy was somewhere else. Miss Sme Smecue was in Brazil. I had to shoot a video. There's no really to do what I had to do in here. Yeah. It was dope though. I like the concept like the way it came out.

Yeah. No, it was a really good video. Dope record. Definitely good time. And shout out to Jess from Van Jess. I don't like to say model. I guess talent.

She's a very... Talent is the better word. Extremely talented singer. And she spoke to shit. I needed somebody I knew who was like actually deliver a verse. Because they were sending just like a bunch of models from agencies. I'm like, I know none of these chicks can wrap. Mm-hmm. Like, if I send them a Freddie Givesverse, they're going to be like,

not a chance. All right. Yeah. It's not happy. I'll wait for another video. Yeah. I don't think I need to be in the Rory video. But anyways, how are you? I'm good, man. I'm good. We're back sponsored about Boost Mobile. Yeah, I was about to ask. Are you feeling a little boosty today? I'm feeling boosty. You know what I'm saying? I got my boost, my boost. Did they send you some boost juice? For sure. You got to get your boost. Times you got to get boosted. Yeah, get your Moly water. Unlimited talk text and data and juice.

That's 5G juice. You never had no 5G juice? Of course I had. That's how I got caught me. Yeah, you can talk more. You can talk more once you get the 5G juice. Speaking of a juice, I feel like, Demaris, I can't see her past the camera. Do you have a little, is that a Juicy Gator fit that you have on right now? I do.

Everything's juice today. You got to bring the juicy. Ma, you know the Juicy Cout. That's a good color on you. I didn't know it was Juicy Cottaura. I knew it was a Volo suit. I didn't know it was juicy. Oh.

The juicy on the butt. Oh, that's real juicy Cotor. They're going to gift that. That's going to be a gift by tomorrow. Yeah. Juicy Cout. It looks good. That color looks good on you. Thank you. Like it. It's something's there. Oh, I see you actually matched the light too.

Meanwhile, while, Pinge washes me out to be even whiter than I am, which is almost impossible. Demaris gets to change her lighting to whatever outfit she's wearing pretty. Yeah. No, let the ladies do that. No, I want to. Just throw a 100,000-wob in there and let's get to the shit. I wish we could just completely like splitting that. You know, like certain cars you can do the sink or one side can get air-conditioning one can't. I wish we could just make it darker over here. You want it to be darker? I need to be darker, yes.

This is, it's offensive. We'll work on that. We'll work on that. We're too dark. So I've sacrificed myself. All the women heart throbs that love podcasting don't think I'm attractive. That's the sacrifice I make. It's okay, man.

Don't worry about it, man. You look great. All the women that listen. All the women. All seven of you. Thank you so much. Yesterday I was busy, so I wasn't really in the Twitter streets like that. So you ever like get killed?

on the internet and then be the last to know. Like you start getting calls like, you're asking me. Yeah. I'm like, oh, what's going? Like, something wrong? Like, now you're getting, you getting smoke. Yeah. Anytime somebody calls you and goes, are you okay?

Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not a thing too about that. Is that like 4.35 p.m.? I'm like, wait, why is everyone hitting me about some N-word shit? Yeah. And then I hit Demaris. I was like, can you feel me on what the fuck is going on? She's like, oh, yeah, you said, you said the N-word.

I was like, oh, okay. Listen, man, I don't even want, I don't want no flowers. I don't want no flowers, but I told y'all. I did not say the N-word more. Rory definitely says the N-word. Why won't anybody listen to me? I don't know. Maybe I have to yell for people to understand and listen, and I don't want to do that.

They have been trying to get me for 10 years with random clips. Sometimes it be somebody in the background saying it, and my mouth is closed. They're like, see, Rory said it. This is the first time I think y'all may have a case. I didn't hear it. Because I didn't say it, but when I listened back, because DeMera sent me the clip, and I was like, oh, yeah. I see what they're saying. Can we play it?

Can we play the clip? I just want to hear it. Because you text me. Rory texted me yesterday and last night. And he was like, yo, something to N-word. And I didn't understand if he was joking or not. So then I called him and he didn't answer. So I was just laughing.

Well, I was in a session when you called me. I meant to get you back, but it was super late. By the time I got up. Flurting. Did you see Banks face when he's, well, you know, just flirting. It sounds like it. Nah.

I didn't say it. I fully understand why everyone. He said, no, it was just flirting. I know. Josh said, Did you see Banks face when he's? No, we don't have to keep flying. Nah, he didn't say,

nah, he didn't say it in work. I know he didn't say it, but it does sound like he said it. This was the first time it sounds like he said it because y'all know he says it. Y'all know when he ain't around, he says it. Like, that's why it sounds like he says it. Well, I mean, I wait till you, Josh,

Maris leave the studio and then Pete, then Peach and I throw on some old dirty bastard and go crazy. Wait, why? So we're talking about it. We're talking about it in the office before you guys get here. Here goes Peach. Peach is like, so does that mean like we can all say it in the good dinner? I'm like, Peach, please right now, okay? Everyone gets to it.

It's his birthday though. Yeah. Pete, you definitely can say it on your birthday. You definitely allowed to say the N-word. It's all good, man. Oh, true. But yeah, no, you didn't. That didn't sound like it, though.

Nickerson Gardens was a better case than that. Nah, this was better. Really? And Garden wasn't... What? Nickerson Gardens sounded like Nickerson Gardens. I'm still not fully convinced that he didn't say Nicker. I'm not convinced he didn't say Nickers and Gardens.

I'm still not convinced he didn't say that. I thought that was the name of the housing complex. It is niggas and gardens. Yeah, that's what it is. Niggas and gardens. Yeah, like this one, no. A lot of grassy areas and Watts. Yeah, you could beat that case.

That's nothing right there. I mean, I have nothing here. I see what I say. That in word, Rico, you know, don't worry about it. You can walk out of court on that. Don't worry about that. Then people, where I love when people give you too much credit than you deserve.

I saw some people saying because in the off-road video, I'm trying to wrap Freddy's verse and he says the N-word at the end. That I was doing a rollout to then tease me saying it in the off-road video. I was like, yo, I wish I was that smart. Like, thank you for giving me that type of credit because that did not cross my mind. I didn't even think about that, the verse, the Freddy verse. I did not even put that together. That's hilarious.

So yeah, I mean, I say it in the off-road video. I said our last episode, this is my N-word rollout. Yeah, it's all good, man. It's just a word, man. Say it, say it loud and proud. It's okay. Don't tell me to say it loud and proud. Stay it loud and proud.

Why would I be proud of? Like, what am I saying that word in a proud way? Unless I'm in the proud boy. Because you're not saying the N-word that is like, you know, like offensive. You're saying the N-word that is like the word. I think it's offensive of my white face says any version of the end-word. Man, that's not at all, bro. Not at all.

Well, just to clarify, Rory did not say it. And we're not canceling him. We're not firing him. Cancel? That's not a real thing no more. Cancel? You know shit the niggas is out there doing? Nobody can be canceled no more.

That would have been a funny sketch if I came out the elevator and all you guys were sitting there and fired me from my own company. For saying the N-word. Yeah. And y'all had like deray in the vest like right on the couch too. Yeah. Nah, man. It's all good though. Sean King's here.

Sitting Indian style. What's up with Sean King? I haven't heard. Probably using the N-word. He hasn't been like... He converted to Islam. He's Muslim though. No more dope gang.

But like I haven't even seen like anything with Sean King like on social media online anything. Like he just like is like not even I don't see anything for Sean King anymore. Like is he still active on social media? Is he still active in like I remember he was talking about something with Palestine? Yeah. There's a whole conflict going on over there. No, I know that. But the last time I remember I was talking about Sean King,

as I think he said he was going to stop the conflict in the conflict. Well, he said, yeah. I mean, he was in, he was doing negotiations for a ceasefire. And also converted, he converted to, listen, you have to give him at least the marketing credit that he deserves. Once the world started focusing on Israel and Palestine, it's been going on for 40 fucking years. But once the world, like, started to focus on it.

Taking that thing serious over there? He was like, all right, that's where the algorithm's at now. I'm Muslim. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he really said he converted because of the struggle of the Palestinian people. That's why he wanted to convert. But is it like a Britney Renner Muslim or is he like really like? I need you to, what do you think of Britney Renner Muslim?

Because I think she was Muslim because she was dating Kevin Gates at the time. Who is Muslim? Yeah. So she obviously, you know, she took on the Muslim religion for her partner at the time. Yeah, okay, but religion isn't like, you know, when girls start like dressing like their boyfriend? That's not like religion isn't that. Well, I mean, for some people.

You can't like date somebody for a month and it's like, it's just Judaism in September and then we broke up. No, but you have to be. You have to be for 60 days, right? It's the most of it was 60 or 90 days, something like that? Yeah, so she did her 90 days in, what is it, 90 days in? And listen to the show 90 days and 60 days in 90 days in. She did her 90 days in.

Well, they got married too, right? Because I think she's still in her divorce. No. Because you can't get divorced. right away in Islam. Like, they have a window with, which I actually agree with that. Like, I think marriage in general, like, there should, if you want to get a divorce, give it 90 days. Yeah.

Think about it. Yeah. But, yeah, I thought she was a matter. I don't know. But, I mean, either way, I do have full confidence in Sean King against Netanyahu. I think he's going to be, it's either going to be Pat Patrick David or Sean King, I think, is going to end this conflict for us. But hopefully they get the job now. I'm really shocked that he didn't do, like,

fundraising for his own Ramadan. Like, I could see him doing a telethon on live. Sean King? Like, yeah, wow, he's fasting. And the money goes to him, but he's going to, like. Let's checking on Sean King. Let's sit him a little DM and just make sure he's all, man. I haven't heard much of Sean King in a while.

Peace God? You want me to just, you want to make sure he's good, man. I'll DM peace God now. I think he's a good guy. I think he means well, so just want to check in on him. That's all. I'm trying to think, oh, yeah. also in the midst of me

rolling out the N-word I kind of want my media media flowers man I kind of feel like Maul and I don't get a lot of credit for this stuff that we break there's a lot of news that we have been the first people to talk about it

to break that news and then it catches legs and everyone just goes to the mass media people like they were the ones that broke the shit I've been telling y'all that a RICO case was coming we're radio. Right. We just skipped over that.

No, I mean, you didn't really, you didn't really want to speak on it. You didn't really, you alluded to it. You kind of flirted with it. But we didn't really go into it. I wanted to wait for the full report to actually come out. Okay.

And it's going to, it's going to be a long day for some of you guys. How long of a day? I got a glance at some of that paperwork. There's some crazy fucking names in there. It is. Like, I know a lot of, lot of y'all government names now. I felt like Wack 100. Like I was having a paperwork party.

I was like, they was in on it too. And wait, that's his real name? But what does this mean, though? Like, um, music. I mean, I think it's, it's not just with the radio companies. Obviously, I heart, uh, which we're on being one of the biggest conglomerates of all time. Um, I can speak for us. I've definitely taken payola. So, I mean, we may end up being in this. this case as well. Like all our opinions up here are bought. They pay us for them, which is directly funneled through IHeart

so we can get a tax break. So we will probably be on that stand as well. Cuffed to DJ. Never mind. No, get it to your bag. Don't say never mind now. You did. Don't walk your back piece.

Just bleak the name. Go. I'm joking. I'm not here and die anyone. But yes, the RICO. from my understanding is labels, not only just doing payola, which for those people that don't know,

payola is when companies or people will pay DJs or radio executives, or they can pay the janitor at the radio station. Give them money so that someone can play a record. Now, payola has been around since the inception of radio. That's why it's illegal because they had to monitor it. We've known that's been going on. The bigger part of this radio RICO shit is the money laundering portion of it, which is an extreme version of what payola would be.

Funnaling a bunch of money into radio so a record can continue to play, yes, payola. But then when the radio station is setting the price higher than anyone else to funnel it back to the label, now you are by definition laundering money. You're putting money out, it's getting clean, no taxes there,

and then it's coming back to you as a profit. Yeah. That is that is money laundering. So yeah. This isn't just a little like, yo, a DJ. Some guy from East New York was hanging outside the hot 97 office with a brown paper bag and was like, yo, my man's rap. Here's 20k. No, this is not. It's not a it's not. It's not. It's not Hove, Dame and your brother giving flex champagne baskets or everyone at the radio station. Right. It's not labels paying for DJ crews to go to the Caribbean. this is legitimately a RICO money laundering situation between the three major labels and the biggest radio conglomerate in the world plus EMS plus any other radio station across the country.

And guys, I heart, I know you're watching. I think you're innocent. Okay. Well, we're going to see. I think I heart's trying to buy NBC. Something along those lines. I heart, I'm here to stand with you. I don't think you guys are guilty.

I could never see a world where Universal, Warner or Sony would ever be in bed with IRMedia. I don't see a world where that happens. So just to have fun here based on something I said. So do you understand the red button a little more now? Oh, Drake's lawsuit certainly added to this. Okay. From my understanding, it was in play already. but with the lawsuit and people having to now show and reveal things because of the lawsuit,

it certainly didn't help the labels or I art. So what does this mean though for music moving forward? What does this mean for artists? What does this mean? They'll find a fall guy and everything will be business as usual and they'll find a new way to do it. Right. It's like any other business. I'm not even mad at the labels or radio.

This goes on in any genre business. shit, if we want to come down on fucking I-heart media and Universal based off paying for some songs, go down to Wall Street and see what they do at Chase Bank. Somebody's going to be a false. They're going to find one person. There's nothing new. There's not going to be a settlement here. I just think the feds, which is ironic because there's so much going on in the world, I think the feds are kind of fucking bored and are just running wild with Rico. Mm-hmm.

The feds are bored. Yeah. That's interesting with so much going on. Yeah. Like, listen, we were the first people up here to condemn Puff and believe everybody. I think a lot of that was for headlines and to get people up the ladder. Like, oh, I did the Puffy case. Mm-hmm.

It's for headlines. This is going to be the same exact thing. No one's here for justice. They're here for headlines. Yes, I think the feds are bored in a lot of cases. because I even think on the side of the feds with crime, let's just say in New York with what they do with RICO's with gangs, that doesn't get the headlines that they want.

Puff gets the headlines. Universal Music, I-Heart, that gets the headlines that gets people up the ladder when they do these cases. Getting fucking GS-9, like that's, yeah, all right, cool, that's a headline for like a week. Right. You saw it even with the Young Thug thing. Like, this is all about headlines,

and I think that's what the feds, they have. the RICO law, which just allows you to kind of just say whatever. Like, this is just, this is an organization. So anything that happened, now you're guilty of it. And there's no, there's no law that regulates RICO, which I think there should be. Yeah. Regulates RICO. What do you mean? There should be something that I think you have to further prove the criminal organization and the crimes that were involved in it. I do not think why I saw as a gang, but according to them, it was a gang. thug was at the top. He was apparently the leader of the gang.

If somebody that's in the gang happens to murder somebody, I'm not responsible for that murder. Now if Thug order the murder, now we're talking different. RICO allows if somebody just happens to claim the flag of your blood set and does some shit on their own, not even under the flag or orders, now I'm part of this murder, just because we're in the same gang. There needs to be regulation on RICO. But you're saying regulation on RICO, but that's the whole point of,

the RICO. Like, I'm saying they need to, to regulate that because it's a cheat code. All right, let's use the, the mafia. There's Gambino associates. Shit that John Gotti don't even know that person's name, never seen them in his life. Some people just do crimes on their own, but they also just happen to be associated with a gang. You think Gotti is at his house and knows some 21 year old kid that's a Gambino associate that happened to, to rob a fucking liquor store that day? No, but now you can add it into a RICO. And it's like, you got to prove that this was under my flag. But no, but this is the thing, though. It's not about at the end of the day, this person feels so confident in doing this

because you have provided a community and a culture where this is okay and stamped this, this gang. And now this person who's connected to your gang has done something whether you ordered it or not. It might not have gotten done if you weren't this big crime boss. Oh, no. Like you've cultivated this. You are responsible whether you ordered it or not.

I understand RICO to a degree. We'll use the mafia again as an example. Before, I mean, RICO existed. They just, the feds were stupid and didn't know was in the law books. They couldn't get to the boss because the boss would never touch the drugs, the money wouldn't order anything on the phone.

Like, you couldn't get to him because they insulated him so much. So they created RICO so they could do that. But then they ran crazy with it and just started adding things that have nothing to do under the flag of this organization. Sometimes people kill people and has nothing to do with the gang that we're in.

And now I'm responsible for that murder just because you think I'm the head of this organization? Pull up RICO. I just think you need to further prove that more. I don't think RICO is wrong as far as a law. I just think that the lines are so blurred. It allows the feds to get away with a lot of bullshit as far as adding charges to people

that may have not even been aware of anything that was going on with the people under them. like and I think we're going to see that more with these types of cases because while what's happening with the labels and radio is by definition illegal this is still white collar so where do we draw the line is the is the assistant to the PM at the breakfast club now responsible because they're in this organization where do you draw the line of who Well, no, it wouldn't be people that just work at the radio station per se. It would be, you know, the people that are running the radio station,

the people at the labels, it would be that. It wouldn't be the intern that's running to go get bagels and call for like he has nothing to do. Let's say I'm a, let's say I'm a radio personality. I'm not saying Hot 97 is involved. I'm just using Hot 97. Let's say I work at Hot 97 on a morning show. and I cut a deal with the president of Atlantic where I am a third-party contractor

and you are paying me a fee every month and we know what that fee is for. It is to help promote all Atlantic artists, be favorable to Atlantic artists, play more of Atlantic. I know what this is, but my program director doesn't know that. The program director's boss doesn't know that. The owner of MS Communications doesn't know that, but I went to the CEO of Atlantic and I took this money.

now Emmis is in a RICO because I did something on my own. That's fucked up. I'd be sitting there as Emmis communication. I didn't know that Rory went and took this back. This is not Paola money laundering or RICO. He went and did that shit by him. Yeah, but I think it's bigger than that, though. For sure.

If RICO is handed down, that's because they've done enough investigation. They've gathered enough information over the years. I'm not saying off RICO where I think it gets fucked up. This is just straight up, I think, label to corporation. Absolutely. 100% yeah so I think that you know the Rico thing if the Rico comes down trust them leave they've done their due diligence they've investigated they've gathered enough information over the years they know exactly what's going on who did what before that even comes to

your doorstep I loved shout to Berg front of the show I forgot who was talking to was it maybe Gileon Wallo when he was telling everybody out all his records radio has always paid him out way more than any of, you know, Berg's records are streamed, I don't like, five billion times he always posts the numbers. They're insane. So I've made 10 times more money because radio pays out more. Mm-hmm. There you go. Yeah. I mean, listen, man, niggas got to eat. You know what I'm saying? Niggas got bills to pay, man. And if you wonder, one or sometimes, and all Drake and Kendrick stands, I'm not talking about this case with them to whatsoever. You ever just wondered why certain songs are just like always on the charts?

Then you checked like the streaming numbers and they ain't even really like that, all that. Yeah. Radio. I've always said radio is super important. I don't care if people think radio is dead. Radio is extremely important as far as getting music out there and how it looks perception-wise of how you're doing. For sure, absolutely. Because those numbers are a bit more easy to manipulate. Listen, man, it's going to be an interesting

few at the end of the months to the rest of the months of the year in regards to this radio Rico situation that is upon us. But again, they're going to just get past this, like you said, and start it all over again. Another 20 years will be right back at this again.

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will make you braver and smarter. with your money. Listen to Dos Amigos as part of the Michael Tutta podcast network available on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I just pulled up my 2025 predictions. Now, I don't want to give myself the whole bouquet of flowers, but I think I deserve at least a lily. I said Billboard gets hacked this year.

And while they're not getting hacked, Billboard is going to have to open their books as well. With all these cases, you think Billboard's being. left out of it. I'm not saying Billboard did anything illegal. I'm just talking about the place that is collecting these numbers. That's why I said I don't deserve the whole bouquet. It's the hack and investigated it is two different things. And I'm not saying Billboard did anything criminal. I'm just thinking they're going to be a character witness in this whole day. They just have to answer some questions. Here's the data. Yeah, but that's not hacked. I know. That's what I said. I don't

deserve the whole thing. But when I said that, I thought somebody was going to figure out how to hacked Billboard and we were going to see the numbers that were fudged being revealed. So you're saying as a result of investigation, we will see the real numbers. That's what I meant by Billboard gets hacked. We are going to see. Okay. It'll just be pulled.

The curtain be pulled a little bit on Billboard. I thought a hacker would do it. It'll be the federal government instead. Yeah, it's no hack. It's like, no, we need to see what's really going on. And my mind you, I didn't see Billboard in any of the paperwork that I saw. But I do again think if they are the ones collecting a lot of that data and showing it based off radio spins as well.

Somebody. Somebody's going to ask them one. You got some explaining to do. Oh, man. Yeah, man. See, that's why I be in the house, man, because I don't want no Rico shit coming to my way. I don't fuck with none of these radio stations.

No DJs. I don't know nobody. I don't want no problems. I mean, if you're a radio exec, though, I think that's just part of the business. Definitely part of the business, for sure. Sure. But when the feds get the knock and they start asking questions, I thought them Jeffrey files. I thought them Jeffrey tapes was interesting. Wait till you all here these tapes that's going to hit the net next year. Wait to you out here. How these execs start telling on each other. Wait till you hear that. Wait till you hear that. Wait till you hear that. Wait till you hear that. I mean, I do think a snitch fest will happen very soon. And what's funny is the people that I think think we'll be telling are also personalities. So it'll be content. Yeah, definitely. Snitch Paloosa's

coming next year. And again, in what I saw, I know the rumors where Flex was cooperating with the feds on this and that also had something to do with enough in Camillo. I don't, I, as I'm saying this now, I don't think that's true as of now. But I can see how like, one in one together can like really make two. But yeah, that was the rumor and it's on the timeline. So it's, who knows, that Flex has been working and cooperating with the federal government with this payola case. And there was some tie to that with Camillo and enough. And I'm not saying that whatsoever. I do think that's just a rumor and it's not true.

Now, do I think everybody's going to start working with them soon? Yeah. I think that's going to happen. These aren't criminals. These are fucking DJs and radio personalities. Yeah, they do this shit. Well, this is an old tweet from Flex. He said, Drake is 100% right.

National play per song Drake don't pay For play Pop What is Pop? CHR What is that? Radio?

Yeah, Pop slash Christian Oh, Pop Christian Radio 350K Urban Radio 250K Mix show 100K Local mix show director 40K

Local DJ 3K to 5K per song DJs on a radio 5 days a week This is why independent artists don't rise to the top

All you artists know I ain't never take a dime from you Your manager or your labels bomb has no price. Ask Israel. Thursday, 7 p.m. Oh, no, we've been paid for it.

My tax dollars for the price. That's a tweet almost a year ago from Flex. I've always heard behind the scenes from a lot of credible sources of people that love Flex and people that hate Flex that Flex has truly never taken a dollar of payola. Since the beginning of his career, he has been tried a thousand times on it, and Flex has never taken a dollar. So I do too. I definitely do.

Now, I know we've just been talking about thug and snitching and what's right or wrong. What's the rules here? Because let's say hypothetically. Hypothetically, Flex, I'm not saying you're working with a fist. Is that a bad thing to try to clean up radio and paola and something that really only benefits few major label artists? I don't think that Flex is wrong if that was the case. I'm not saying maybe go tell on like your local DJ that's taking 3K. To me that's like, all right, it's a little rat shit.

But if you're working with the federal government to clean up something that I feel has destroyed radio. Yeah. Destroy radio, destroyed music. Fair. That too. Because he clearly says this is why independent artists don't rise. Yeah. I don't think there's anything wrong with Flex saying, you, I've been in this game for 30 years.

I'll tell you everything. Let's clean this shit up. I don't think there's anything wrong that. I think having integrity in music, especially if you're a DJ of the culture and, you know, things like that. I respect that.

But I'm not going to sit here and say if he's in the room, you know, saying, oh, yeah, no, he took this. And he's not going to say that that's cool. I understand why he would be doing it. You know, he's trying to keep some type of integrity in music and make sure all artists get a fair shot, you know,

particular independent artists, get a chance to, you know, make it, make it big. So I respect it, but I'm not going to, I understand it, but I don't respect it.

If he is, I'm not saying flexes. We want to make that clear. Not saying flex is talking to the feds, giving nobody's name. I'm saying, if that comes to fruition, then it is what he's doing,

I understand it. Not going to say I respect it, but I do understand it. Should I jam up Rosenberg right now and cash up him a dollar and put in the description payola for off-road Sunday nights?

For a dollar? Listen, man. Why not? A dollar goes a long way. Nah, send a hundred. Really fuck them up. No, I don't really got it like that right now. No.

Yeah, maybe a dollar's... Can you do cents on cash out? Funny. Can you do 50 cents? A dollar 50? How much is it to ride the trains now? 275? 275?

290? 290? Yeah. Oh, damn. Yo, New York is such a crazy, crazy city. Like, they do things like this. Like, that whole congestion's whole shit. Like, that has done nothing for traffic.

Like, nothing. Like, and it's like, now everybody's just paying $9 extra just to come into the city, like, every day. Like, that is, but it's like they know that that's not going to stop people from. I remember when the GW was fucking, the GW used to be $9. to cross the bridge. Now it's almost like $20 to cross the GW? Got him.

He'll be behind bars by Monday. Yeah, I don't have his ass in the Alcatraz by Wednesday. I got you, Rosenberg. Yeah. Have you ever seen Pellon 1, 2, 3 with Denzel Washington? Absolutely. Load that movie. So in that movie, Denzel was like high ranking.

They put him down to like the regular guy because he was under investigation for taking money with train contracts. And then John Travolta gets him to admit it. and he went to Japan to go pick which model of train. And he took the money, but he said that was the train I was going to pick anyways. It didn't influence his decision. He was picking that shit.

But if you out, you know, give me some bread in it, I'll keep that to myself and make it look like that. Is that wrong if a DJ does it? Because if a label's trying to pay me for a record, I was already going to play a record that you like. Yeah, like, in my head, you don't need to do this. Like, I was going to play this record. But if you will offer me money,

even if it's illegal, I'm not going to say know to that shit. You know what that's interesting though because when you think about it, right, if a label sends a DJ a record, like they're essentially leaving it in the DJ's hands to have a certain level of taste or ear to hear hit record when he when he or she hears. Like say the DJ just doesn't know a hit record. Like and then the label's like, no, like this is the hit. Like this is. So it's a slippery thing because it's kind of like, what if that DJ just doesn't understand to hear the record. Like, they don't get it.

But that, I mean, that is rare, though. I think that's actually more specific to hip hop. Because pop radio, is there DJs that break records? Like, even, let's say, Hot 97 Power 1 to 5, there are only a few DJs that are really coming up with their own sets per se. Because a lot of that is the program director saying, these are the records you're playing from one to three. It's rare where people like Flex.

do get the ability to pick like when Mr. C would do a lunchtime rewind show what was that shit called? Yeah lunchtime rerun, something like that. He was able to pick his records because of that was specific to that show and see legendary DJ. Most people that are either doing mornings, afternoons, like you're not, this is, you're getting a list of the records to play. So it's more so the label and program directors deciding on what

is going to be the thing that is going to morph our minds into liking the song. The program directors. Like that's very rarely, is there somebody like a flex that does get to just do their whole set? Like, they'll play what they want. They can break records.

Flex, we know has an ear. But that's not, in this day and age, no, there's plenty of fucking DJs that are great DJs. Enough, a great DJ. But when he was on with Angie at Hot, that slot during the day,

like enough has to play the hit records that are given, like, which is nothing against enough. That that's the job in afternoon radio. The program directors. Here, yeah, here you go, enough. Of course, enough will mix in certain stuff, but yeah, you're going to have to hear Chris Brown, Buster Rhymes, uh, what's the name of that record? They ran that one in the fucking.

Look at me now? You're going to have to look at me now 15 times the next three hours. Like, that's just going to have to happen. So that's not really a DJ thing as far as an ear of a hit. you kind of have to march to those orders when you're under, especially at Iheart, you'd be in that syndicated. At least Emmis is a little like, Hot 97 is a local radio station at the end of the day.

Power 105 is not that anymore. They're under Iheart where that is a strict, strict role of what you're playing and when you're playing it. They don't play with that shit at all. People at Ms. probably don't even like hip hop and they just flex, you could do it, but anybody else, here's the data. Here's what we agreed upon.

Bring some integrity back into the entertainment industry. Fuck it. Not. What business has integrity? This business? Overall. Overall. This business?

No, I'm saying, not this business specifically. I'm saying as far as entertainment, banking, fucking construction, which business on earth? Would you say, oh, yeah? Everyone over there, they got it right. The whole business? Because the price is the price. I'm stumped. I actually think, I think you hoes have more integrity than all of us.

The whole business. I think that's the only like cut and dry. This is what it is. That's her price. She tells you what it is. You pay that price. And you can, you know what you? Yeah.

That's the gig. I mean, the only shit would be some of the customers don't have integrity and try to harm the women. But that's where you have checks and balances. That's where the Pimp comes in. And with his integrity, whoops your fucking ass. I physically can't pay for pussy.

I tried it. How'd you go about trying it? Like I was with a girl. She was like a porn star. Okay, nice. And she was like, yo, if you want to have sex with me, here's my price like it's up to you I physically couldn't do it like I got sick I was like so if I just give you money right now like we got after she was like yeah I was like really so yeah

you can do whatever you want I was like whatever I want I could not do it I physically could not do it I mean I've told you guys before it's it's an ego thing for me I'm not above it like I don't judge people that pay for pussy I am just so insecure that like I have to think you like me when we're having sex like the transaction But is that an insecurity? Not like you have to like be in love with me. Like I have to feel like, you want to have sex with me.

Yeah, not because I'm paying you. Like that's, like that's, yeah, like that's, there's no way that this is a normal thing. But she probably would have, like this is the thing. I think because you guys are both attractive, man,

I think the girls want to fuck you, but like because they about their business, it's like, I mean, I like this nigga. I would fuck this nigga for free, but I can't. And it was like the DJ. It's like around the end of the month. You know how that gets.

It's like when I go on spaces, I be wanting to, go on spaces, but I'm like, this feel like podcasting for free. I do this for a living. Like, I fuck with y'all. I want to talk to y'all, but now I get paid for this. Like, I feel like, that's probably how they feel. So you're saying the sex workers. It's the way to put it. It's like the DJs taking paola for records they would have played anyways. Yeah. Like, I would sleep with that guy, but I mean, if I'm going to get me 10 bands. I'm just going to fuck you for free if you're offering money. I literally, like, we were laughing

at the fact. She was like, yeah, you're just not a, you're not a John. Like, you're not a trick. I was like, I cannot do it. Like, like, I cannot do it. Like, like, I I was laughing at the fat. I was like, yo, this is insane. These are some people's like, this is their normal way of interacting with women. But I've talked with sex workers on that topic before where they've said men have talked themselves out of free pussy. Because the moment, a lot of men go and know a woman's a sex worker and like start talking to them. And then out of like respect, just assume that you got to pay for it. But there's been times this specific girl's something like, I'm like, I'm,

was, we'll just fuck this dude, but the moment he brought up money, now you're always a trick in my mind. For the rest of you, like, it switched right away. Like, I was here because I liked you, but the moment somebody say money, oh, now you're a trick forever.

Like, if he could have just kept his mouth shut, he could have fucked for free. Yeah, no, I get it. I get it. But, you know, I mean, I don't know. It's, throwing money in a strip club isn't paying for pussy, obviously,

but there's still an aspect to it. Small version of payola. It's not paying... That's the local DJ thing that Flex was talking about. That's the three to five grand... If the artists go to the radio, they just start throwing money... Like, if the artists go to the radio station start throwing money to DJ, is that paying for the play?

Like, is it paying for the record? Absolutely. Is it? I mean... Like, if I'm throwing money at you and you're not playing my record. You know how some people do marketing shit, like run into the radio station and have like strippers with them to try to perform the shit and then money gets thrown?

You just walk out and you leave the money there. Like, I mean... Y'all can pick that up. We ain't picking a little. Yeah, but like if I go to a strip club, pretty girl on stage and I'm throwing money, spending money on her. And then like, you know,

but it's like, it's not even, I don't even like her. I like this other girl. The other girl just see me throwing money at the end of the night. The other girl, like, you know, we kind of start talking. We hit it off.

We go, we leave the strip club or go some, you know, breakfast or whatever. She comes home with me. We have sex. Technically, technically did I pay for that pussy because I was throwing money in the strip club?

Yes. Nah. Because if you wouldn't, you wouldn't. See what I'm saying? It gets true. Because you wouldn't have gotten that pussy if you wasn't throwing that money in a strip club. I don't know.

We will never know. Okay, but then if I take you to an expensive dinner or even do like a fun date, but it costs money and you want to sleep with me because we did that, is that not the same exact thing? Yeah, like if I take you on a date, just because it's not hand-to-hand cash. Nice restaurant, go get some drinks, you know, that whole thing. And then you come back home and we have sex. Did I pay for, like, are you selling that cat? No, because you both got something out of it. Because you ate too.

Twice. Dependent. Strip club mac and cheese and then the real mac and cheese. Chris Brown, you know, y'all heard what he said. What Chris Brown said? I'd be so tired of y'all. Not about what y'all talking about. Oh.

What Chris say? I'm about to say. You know, I don't be knowing. See, y'all start telling me shit. I'm like, wait, what happened now? He finally admitted that Damaris and I were right, that Quayvo was much bigger than him. Yeah, right.

said everyone compares Michael Jackson, Beyonce, Usher, and Cuevo to me, but we're all superstars in our own right? Yeah. He'd never said that. Yes, he did. He didn't say people compare what Cuevo. Oh, he, you added, I didn't hear you add Cuevo into it. You're mad annoying.

Yeah, that's something like. No, he put something up on his IG store, I believe. Can you, uh, you click that, Josh? Uh, he tweeted, uh, honest opinion, Beyonce, Michael Jackson, and Usher are all the best superstars and lanes of their own. I see a lot of podcasts and debates on who's better. And the truth is that we all shine bright in our own way. I'll never say I'm a better anything.

I'm just being the best Chris Brown. In some way, shape, or form these artists have influenced me to go hard and never give up. I just want to be recognized for helping people with my gifts. That's on top room. That's a very humble thing for Chris to say. But I'll go on record and say, I do believe Chris Brown is a better dancer than Michael Jackson. I agree.

Actually, all of these, Usher, Beyonce, like I don't, you know, I think Chris Brown is the better dancer out of these names. Michael Jackson is obviously,

he's the apex entertainer. He is the one that everybody, all generations, you see kids now that are maybe three, four, five years old, dressed up like Michael Jackson, dance like Michael.

So Michael Jackson is obviously the, the one that all artists and entertainers aspire to kind of be like. But it's okay to have artists that come after that are better vocalists than Michael Jackson, better dancers than Michael. Michael just encompassed the entire thing, the mystique, the aura, the entertaining, just everything all in one is what made Michael Jackson so special.

But I do believe Chris Brown is a better dancer than Michael Jackson. This is part of my age. This is going to maybe be a stupid question. Did Michael Jackson invent the moonwalk or is that? No. He just made it iconic. He made it iconic. He got it from some dancers. He was watching on. He talked about soul train. Culturally appropriated it.

No, no, no. Culture vulture, Michael was. No, there was black people that created it. And he ended up being white. They were on Soul Train and he saw that move. Okay. It was part of like the whole role, when, you know, dancers were doing the whole robot type of thing. And he saw that on, I think, on Soul Train.

And he just made that a part of his performance. And, you know, obviously his platform was the biggest in the world. So when he did it, that was the first time that many people saw that move. I mean, how much steak do you put into iconic choreography versus being the better dancer? Like, I agree with you. If we were in the same place Steve Harvey was doing, you got served. And it's just Michael and Chris in the ring. Yeah, I'm going to take Chris Brown in that regard.

As far as dancing? Yeah. But as far as iconic choreography, I think Michael and Beyonce are over here and then Chris Brown and Usher are over here. Like between, obviously, thriller goes without saying, but like Beyonce with her crazy and love choreography, I remember everyone trying to do that when I was in eighth, seventh, eighth grade, single ladies, like, she has iconic choreography with her dancing. Like that is going to last forever. same way with Michael I mean the yo video I think Chris definitely had iconic

like people would try and do that choreography but in the Usher My Way video I remember that but do they have their staple as far as dancing goes Michael used them out Chris Brown and Usher but we know Beyonce and Michael Jackson

have their staples um does Chris and like a move like like anytime Beyonce is on tour and if she's she's going to perform single ladies. People are waiting for that choreography.

Like, that's the whole thing. Chris Brown has it with wall to wall. Water, water, I don't hear nothing but ladies calling. Yeah. And take you down. And take you down.

Yeah, take you down to it too, yeah. Yeah. But is that the level we think that a single ladies or a thriller would be? Nothing is at the level of single ladies in front of. There's still would never be anything at the level of thriller. Well, obviously.

But I still think, not to say single ladies is compared to thriller as far as choreography, but she did check that box of I have an iconic, iconic choreography dance. I just, I feel like Usher and Chris maybe could outdance them, but don't have that. Well, part of that is because Usher and Chris can outdance them, their choreography is harder to do. For sure. I mean, so the reason why. single ladies and thriller are so this, but well, not thriller, but the reason why single ladies is so popular is because the choreographer, I mean, the choreography, like white housewives at home, we're at home doing this shit. Like, it's super easy. It's simple and easy to remember. So that's why it got as big as it got. That's a good point. Because even like when Michael Jackson would do the lean, we, like everyone tries the lean. Yeah. So yeah, I hear you. That does make sense too. It was very simplified so everyone could. It was like the first TikTok dances. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I get that. Because, I mean, I mean, as I think Beyonce is up there with Michael, but she can't do a backflip without a running start.

And that's something Chris Brown can do. Beyonce could run 10 minutes and I don't think she can do a back. You mean running start? I don't do that. I think my baby could do a backflip. If you know her mind to it, Beyonce can do a backflip. No, we can know. But Chris Brown doesn't need to put his mind to it.

But I'm just saying right now, if he goes on stage tonight, there will be no backflip. Like, you know, I'm not saying anything. Beyonce's amazing, but she's not trying to do no fucking backflip tonight on stage. No. I think Usher and his prime could do a backflip with a running start. I don't know many performers that could just stand there and do a... Usher has done backflips on stage. Yeah, but he had like two or three steps.

I don't care. He didn't even travel NBA-wise, I'm saying. It was just a quick run and start. Usher has a whole set literally on roller skates. On roller skates. Yeah, that's true. That is crazy to do that. Yeah.

Like just doing a whole, you know, a bunch of your records. and the choreography, y'all are all on roller skates? That's incredible. I mean, these are all, you know, to what Usher's, I mean, Chris Brown is saying, these are all the best of the best. And you talk about performers and entertainers, Usher and Chris and Michael Jackson and Beyonce, these are the top of the pyramids when you talk about entertainment and, you know, music and dance, choreography, things like that.

Janet Jackson as well. I mean, how Rhythm Nation video obviously was groundbreaking and changing. even the one video that she did what was the name of the song Isn't miss you much When she was in the dance studio by herself with the chair? Pleasure principle Pleasure principle

That was an iconic video And she was just her in the video in the dance studio So yeah I mean I understand what Chris saying I think he was being a little humble And not trying to make it seem like he Because obviously you don't want to be the person to say I'm better than anybody or you know

You look the audience and the fans say that but I will say just in watching both and being a fan of both entertainers in regards to him and Michael Jackson I do think Chris is the better dancer out of him and Michael Jackson.

It's not my world so I could be wrong but I want justice for choreographers like the way we get these Billboard complex all these lists with producers we know every backstory of every Quincy Jones thing with Michael Jackson like is there a list of choreographers like

why did they not get as much shine as even engineers get when you get down to the nerdy shit? Well, because I would like to know who. Because they still do. L.G. I mean, Puff put LG on. Like that was the most famous one I remember as a kid because she was on the reality show. Well, people pay attention to things that apply to them. So why, why I was going to say why engineers would be important to you is because that's what you would care about. But even like the best producers, 21st century shit that what we talked about last week. I feel like a casual fan click that right away too. If I, as a, I wouldn't even say a casual fan of choreography.

I mean, I like dancing, but I don't sit and think about who put it together. I would click that list right away. And that's not even my world. I would love for those people to be highlighted and learn more about it. That's a huge part of music that just is not talked about. But I mean, like, again, like I hear you, but I don't know. Maybe it's because I really, I love dancing so much that I'm more. Like, Sean Bankhead does the majority of people's videos these days, right?

Okay. So a lot of the famous choreography that ends up being TikTok dances, like, for example, Cardi B's Up, or I put that on my mama, Victoria Monet. Like, he— Great choreography. Yes, which became huge, right? Like, that—he did all of that. Sean Bankhead has been huge with the videos that he's created. As far as, like, I remember all of Janet's choreographers, obviously, because—

because some of them used to be her dancers and I was like obsessed. But there are, you can find that list. But again, that would be up first. That would be something that you would have to pay attention to because the publications and stuff that it's going to be in might not be something that you're interested in, but the theater kids know about it. For sure, yeah. You know what I'm saying.

So I'm, I'm interested. That's really why I'm asking. Like, did, like, did Michael have a main? There goes an usher backflip with no running start. I stand correcting. May I give ushers. Do you don't know how hard it is? To stand there and do a backflip.

Yeah. Go try. No, no. Go see your bed and go try. Let me see how close. I'm going to be in the hospital for about a month. If I try to do a backflip, I would knock all this shit over trying to do a backflip. Did Michael have, like, a main choreographer?

The way Quincy was his main producer. Like, is there something we know he did, really? He did bad. He did, like. I think he worked with a lot of people on a number of projects. I don't know if he had one main choreographer, though. And I also want to know, like, who's the, the prints of this dance and shit?

Like which icon never had a choreographer? Like if you saw them dance, they came up with it. That just doesn't, um, outside of Paul Abdul. Outside of Paula Abdul, um, I don't think that that tends to happen. Just because there's so much choreography is needed, especially for not really music videos for tours. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Like tours, it's like that's so much choreography. Um, so Michael worked with seven prominent choreography. but most importantly, Vincent Patterson for Smooth Criminal, The Bad Tour, Michael Peters for Thriller and Beat It. He has a couple people. Yeah, Mike worked with a few people. I have to do the choreography for Thriller and Beat It. Like, you Michael Jackson of that.

You're the way these kids watch Gracie's Corner. That's the way I watched Thriller. Like that was my Gracie's Corner. Like my mom had to put the Thriller cassette in like my book bag when I went to the babysitter's so that she would put that in. That would be the only way I sat and watched TV. TV is watching Thriller. I showed Amara Toy Story for the first time.

You did. Because Amara likes her shows. Like the Miss Rachel's The Perfect Pig, Mickey Mouse, Baby Shark, all that. It was the first time she sat for like an hour and a half and watched a movie. She was locked in. Really? Like locked in. I've never heard her be that quiet and that's still in my entire life.

That's so funny. I introduced my goddaughters to Toy Story and I didn't think, because they have their same movies that they'd watch over and over. And I didn't think that they would watch it. They're one and three. And they sat and they were like into the story. And I was like, okay. Like, classics.

A classic is a classic. Toy Story is definitely classic. Oh, I loved it because now this coming weekend, now we can watch Story 2. Like, I have excuses to watch all those movies now because Amar is into them. Like, even her eyes would like light up at certain, like, I knew she was really locked in and focused. Because even during the storyline, she would like react to certain parts. I'm like, oh, yeah. We got it.

We got it. Yeah. We got to. Yeah. Toy Story is mental, outside of the story being good, right, which older kids care about, toy story is mentally stimulating for children.

The colors are bright enough. The voices are loud. Like, it's mentally stimulating for children. I know it's been like repurposed and refurbished and all that. But the fact that that was made in 1995 is like, like I'm saying. I cannot believe in 1995. They made that movie.

That's nice. If you just look at everything that was being made at that time, like what Pixar, that shit was like revolution. That was like Apple. Actually, matter of fact, didn't Steve Jobs buy Pixar? that was like that was like iconic as far as technology goes of what they did in 95 with toy story

it's a great movie though great storyline that shit could come out in 2025 and it would look no fucking different and it was that was the first Pixar movie yeah no Pixar is is Apple like they revolutionized everything yeah then the fact that they did that at that level for the first time was nuts and shit it's like an all-star cast Pixar has some of the best like children's too because the Incredibles is like one of my personal favorite like Pixar has the good movies like monsters ink all of those are Pixar they're not Disney you know Matt like and also imagine them pitching that to Tom Hanks and I know Cassaway was after but just use that as example like one of my movies I had to be on a deserted island lose fucking 80 pounds grow a beard had to

carry a movie as one person with no real dialogue and then they're like no you can just sit in air-conditioned studio and just say these lines right here. And make like, just say it into the mic. 15 times. We'll knock this out in two days. He's like, you know, I was in, uh, Indonesia and an island for six months. It got paid less. On a water diet.

He was drinking water every day. That was it. Did he win anything for Casway? I would hope so. No, don't say he had to because we know people that went through crazy transformations for roles and they didn't win shit. Castaway has like four lines in it. You know how good of an actor you have to be to carry a movie?

he with no fucking lines. He won Best Actor for Castaway. Oh, no, he got nominated. He did not win. At the Academy Awards, he got nominated for Castaway. He got a Golden Globe. We won a Golden Globe for Best Actor. He didn't get the, who beat him?

Macklemore? Who beat Tom Hanks and Castaway for Best Actor? For 2001? I don't know. Let me see. Somebody got naked for the first. Best actor. Hallie Barry's Swordfish.

Then I agree. And a leading role. Russell Crowe Gladiator. Okay, alright, never mind. You know what? I kind of stand corrected. All right. Because if we took my visually, it was Toy Story, then it was 300, $3,000. That was crazy. Gladiator won best picture that year, too. Gladiator, I comfortably would say.

Wait, it was Russell Crowe Gladiator? That's the one? Yeah. Oh, I thought you were talking about, uh, $3,000. No, general, no. 300, 300. General Maximus Destiny. Yeah. Russell Crowe? Yeah. He won't. Russell Crow's in 300?

No, I thought, oh. Same white guy. It's not Russell Crow. It's the other guy. Russell Crow B. What's the on Watcher Throne when they start naming all the Russell's? Russell Brand. Russell Crow.

Yo, Kaye be getting some sick lines off that we just allow. Gladiator winning makes sense, though. Yeah, of course. Yeah, that's one of the... No, I stand corrected right away. What could be castaway? Gladiator. I know Tom Hanks was fucking pit like, fuck.

Like, nobody's being gladiated that year. You know, can you imagine like, could you imagine like coming out, like, you worked your whole entire life on a movie. Like you put your blood, sweat, tears, everything on this project. It's amazing. Like, it's everybody wants to watch it. And then Titanic come out the same year. Boy, I'd be pissed. I would be fucking pissed, bro.

We talked to Neil Brennan, friend of the show, co-creators of Chappelle Show, also great stand-up comedian. when they wrote Half Baked, I think it was, the week it opened, it was Titanic. Oh, what's the shit with Qigin Jr.? When he's the agent. I think it was like Titanic, Jerry McGuire. Like, Neil started naming all the movies that Half Baked went against. And he was like, no wonder we were all blackballed from the end of the, like, don't. We finally wrote a movie, got distribution.

We hated the movie, but all right, cool. It's going out. It's the first time we've ever done something. It's a cold classic, though. For sure. But at the time, a lot of cold classics come out, and it's not until 15 years later. People start to like it.

Like Scarface bombed at the box office. I just didn't do anything. He said, we finally get the date. And it's Titanic. It's the next thing. It's like, yeah. A studio is like never talk to me again until Chappelle show. That's just bad time.

Oh yeah. Terrible timing. Came all around the same time. Best picture Titanic went against as good as it gets the full Monty, Goodwill Hunting. Oh yeah. He said Goodwill Hunting. Titanic and Goodwill Hunting was the same week as half-baked.

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Yeah. I mean, I saw the clip. First of all, Charlie Sheen is the legend. Let's just start start there. Tiger Blah. Legendary Charlie Sheen. He was Caled before Caled. For sure.

Like winning was a thing. Absolutely. He said that he has, he started having sex with men while he was on crack and says it's fucking liberated. To finally talk about it. Now, I don't know if y'all remember the clip that went viral years ago. There was a crackhead. They was arguing. They was ready to fight.

And the dude told him, leave him alone. He was like, I want some pussy, but I settle for some butt. I didn't understand Just go beat off I didn't understand it then I was like but now And he's seen this Charlie Sheen interview I'm like

Oh crack makes you horny And you don't care if it's vagina or man But you just want to have sex Crack crack is what's turn the frogs gay Right So he said crack is what started it That's where it was born or sparked And in whatever chunks of time

That I was off the pipe Trying to navigate that Trying to come to terms with it Uh Wait what? He said, where did that come from? As far as once he was sober, he couldn't figure out why he was fucking dusing on. It came from Armaghammer, like, that's where it came from.

This is on Good Morning America, by the way, this interview. It's on Good Morning America. Why did that happen? And then just finally being like, so what? Some of it was weird. A lot of it was fucking fun. And life goes on. He told Good Morning America.

Yo, he said it's like, he calls it flipping the menu over, having gay sex. Not. Don't tell me where the beverages are is gay things. sex. That's not the same thing, Charlie. Like, don't even compare it to that. That's just not, no. So Charlie Sheen is gay. No, you don't think he's bisexual. We're not going to have this conversation.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. I didn't say nothing. I didn't say anything. You don't think that drugs specifically crack can make you do things that you never would have done unless you were on crack. I think that if you're down to doing crack, you'll do anything. I don't know about that. I think there's probably a lot of- If you're smoking crack. I think a majority of crack heads are probably homophobic. smoking, you're down to smoking crack. That's not a, that's a person that will do anything.

Crackheads are actually really judgy about other people's lifestyles, which is always the most ironic and funny thing. I don't know about that. I don't like the way y'all demonize crack. I'm not demonize it. Yeah, I'm, I'm saying that. I've seen the things that people do to smoke crack.

I'm not young thug in suggesting that being a snitch and being gay are the same thing. So hear me out and let me land this point. I think there's people that have committed violent crimes that they would have never done. But because they started smoking crack, their mind was altered, and I'm not comparing that to being gay. I'm just saying, I don't think crime and gay is the same. I just think drugs can alter your brain. It's a crime to be gay, though.

I mean, before Obama. I think drugs can alter your mind to do something you never would have done, including possibly fucking a bunch of men. I don't know if Richard Pryor just came in the world gay. I think he did a little free base and just started fucking some dudes in Hollywood. That's what we're different. I think that, I think that crack only enhances, what's already inside of you.

I tell you all the time, you can't, sucking dick is a commitment. I don't, I've never tried. There's no drug. There is no drug that can prepare you to hit your knees and suck dick.

There's no drug. There's no drug that can compare you. That can prepare you to hit your knees. Like, you gotta, you gotta commit to that shit, bro. Drugs can't make you gay, bro. Nah,

drugs don't make you gay. You gay already. It was inside you. You were curious about it. You might have been bicarious and then the drug. hit and he was like... Suck dick for crack, but that's for addiction.

Yo, listen, man. I'm sure they'd much rather, you know, pick up recycled canned goods to get money, but sometimes there's a dick there. And somebody wants it sucked, so I mean... Sometimes O'Dog says, yo, I got these cheeseburgers. But, all right, so you both don't see the point of like maybe drugs could just alter your mind to do something you wouldn't have done that was never even inside you before. I think somebody was never a killer

But when they got some crack in them They became a fucking killer But they would have never done that They would have never done that Everybody has killer like in them though Everybody is capable of killing Not everybody capable of sucking dick Or doing anal but everybody is capable of kidding

Yeah, I would definitely kill somebody before I suck dick That's a fact That's a fact I kill his whole room before I suck cock Are you serious? I will kill everybody in his room before I suck a dick If somebody came in here and said Suck a dick will kill me

I'm going to kill everybody in this room Give me the gun I'm going to kill him with you I'm not sucking no dick For sure Y'all all got to go For sure Like de Maris said

Nothing can prepare you for that To look a dick in the face And watch it And watch it Coming towards you There's no way Yo he peed's got to go It's his time

I can't interfere with the Lord The Lord said this man is coming Yeah this is God's sense this man here today. And matter of fact, this would be a sin. God wouldn't even like me doing this. Yeah, I'm not getting in the way of what God has ordained this man to do here today. I'm not getting in the way of that shit. I'm not that's so raven. I can't change the future. But maybe God ordained you to suck a dick. God will. God never woke up and said today as a day, Marl going to suck a deal. God has never said that. God would be very bored that day. God has never said that. I would

look at God like there's a lot of things going on that need your attention in the world. Yeah. Maybe Maul and Dick is not really where the focus. It's not. It's not everybody got to go. everybody got to die if there's up to me everybody's dying but we're so petty if maul ended up doing that we wouldn't even be grateful we would clown him for sucking dick on the next episode even though he saved our lives yeah you got to and i got to live with that give me death death before dishonor give me death yeah you got to fall on the sword you got to sit on the sword hey yo nah kill me bro kill me fuck that i want to say something nice but i feel you guys are going to judge me if there was a

firing squad with assault rifles at all y'all and the only way to save the four of y'all was for me to suck a dick I would probably do it oh my god this man is a homosexual you're a good friend you're a good friend

he's a gay friend I'm not mad at him I have gay friends but he's gay all you guys die would like really it would be a very tragic I would be a lot of trauma I think I could get through therapy of me sucking the dick. If all of you died and I watched it happen, yeah, I think that would affect my life way more than, you know, wait, can I smoke some crack before? All right. There's no way. Yeah, if there's crack on deck with the firing squad, yeah, I'd do it. There's no way, bro. There's no way. I mean, sometimes it's weird. A lot of it was fucking fun and

life goes on. He told Good Morning America. Like, look what Charlie said, man. Look what Charlie said. Nah, fair. A coward dies a thousand deaths, man. All right, first of all. A man stuck in a dick just not make him a coward. Matter of fact, that's the bravest man I've ever met my life.

You've done things I could never do. Listen, man, I'm just like y'all know. That's Russell Crow and Gladiator is basically the equivalent. Yo, I'm, kill me. There's no way around it. Kill me. Life is way more important than... Death is beautiful.

Death is inevitable. It's inevitable. We all got to do it. Fuck it. We all ain't got to suck a dick, but we all got to die. That's a fact. I suppose that's true. That's a fact.

It ain't true. It's a fact. We all got to die. We all ain't got to suck a dick. Fuck that. We have other stuff on the list, but I don't even know. After that, if I want to talk about any of this. We'll say the KM and Dame full breakdown, I think, for Patreon.

That's something I think I want us to get into. And you can keep all this. This is promo for Patreon. I want to get into the weeds of that because you and I probably have a bit more information on that than... That's a Patreon thing, I think that would be good. Let's do a voicemail and get out of here. You've got mail.

All right. I mean, with that said, do we have voicemails that are sponsored by Boost? I don't know if Boosty wants their name next to the conversation we just had, but sometimes you got to get boosted. Yeah, 5G. By crack. Unlimited talk, text, data, and crack. If you feel like sucks them dig,

you can text number. About time you brought your ass back dang. She had a vacation. So I want to mention on this and Rory Mall. Can't really talk about this. Cause according to Maul, he wouldn't give a bitch a penny. He wouldn't give her a ham

sandwich. And I'm saying, he wouldn't give her a ghetto sandwich. A ghetto sandwiches where he's just meat on there in nothing or just ketchup on there or nothing. He wouldn't even do that for a bitch. So it's for Rory and this is for D'Merey. And this is for Damaris,

because the mayor's always say Roy, he's all over the place or whatever. So, Rory,

you ever had a female that you showed up for her? Y'all had an agreement, you had a situation, you know, you show up for, you do things,

y'all got an arrangement. You do shit outside that arranged agreement and everything, but she don't treat you with, I don't want to say reverence, but she don't treat you

how she should in the way you show up for her. You know, like she always acting annoyed and shit like that. Because I got the situation where we've been fucking each other for years. But the motherfucker gets on my fucking nerves.

And the reason I can't stop fucking wedding cause he's my addiction. God damn it. I love a dick chocolate motherfucker. I love them so chocolate they damn they're blue. You know what I'm saying? But she'd be acting annoyed me every time. Like, we ain't got to deal with each other. You know that, right?

I can go find me something else. You can go find you something else. So the marriage he ever treated a nigga that showed up for you, less than you should have. And more it's reversed. Okay. So first of all, ain't no such thing is less than I should have. Just because you paying for things and buying things or doing what you say that you're supposed to be doing doesn't mean that you're a good partner.

You can be failing in other ways. Like I think a lot of times men feel like they should be appreciated for the things they do. And then like the shit that they don't do, it's just like, yeah. But like look at the shit I do. And it's like, no. But we've had this conversation about loving the person and when you're dating like the way that they need to be loved. And you could be an annoying nigga. You talk about some she's annoying you.

you're probably annoying her. That's probably why she treats you like that. You just annoyed me in this call. But what, like, what does agreement mean? Because now, now I wish he would have just put me in the mall category.

Because I've, I've never been like, yo, I'll pay your rent if you suck my dick. Like, yeah, I, I've never been in that situation

where because I'm paying for something, I just assume. Matter of fact, we've been fucking if I'm about to start to pay for something. Mm-hmm. So I've never been in that situation. Mm-hmm.

sounds like he was just tricking and once he stopped tricking she ain't want him. Am I wrong there? He was all over the place. I was a little confused, but I mean, I think that happens in real relationships where, you know, the corny 80, 20, sometimes you're 20, sometimes you're 80 and it balances out and this and that. I've definitely been in relationships where I've been less present and she's been a present or opposite. Like, I've been present. She has been present. That's happened, but that's in a relationship,

not more on an agreement of like a monetary value of anything. Like, the agreement wasn't, all right, if I continue to pay this or do that, then we are locked in. It was like an actual, like, real relationship. So, yeah. I guess I've been in the situation he's talking about, but the way he's wording it sounds like this is a transaction. So if you want it to continue, keep the transaction would you buy a chick a ham sandwich a ghetto sandwich

like any of that did you think that assessment of you was fairly accurate can we just replay just just that part I've been to plenty beautiful restaurants with beautiful women in my life I just want to get just that part

about mall let's get an accurate he is for the merits he knows by time you brought your ass back dang shit there's been vacation and So I want the person perspective on this and Rory Moll can't really talk about this. Cause according to Maul, he wouldn't give a bitch a penny.

He wouldn't give her a ham sandwich. You know what I'm saying? He wouldn't give her a ghetto sandwich. The ghetto sandwiches where he's just meat on there and nothing or just ketchup on there or nothing. He wouldn't even do that for a bitch. Yeah. For a bitch, no. But for a respectful woman, yes.

You wouldn't give a bitch a ketchup sandwich? No. A woman? Yes. A bitch, no. Y'all parents ever been broke and made like a creative, sorry, we gave him advice, and made like a creative food. I just wanted more description.

Like, have y'all ever done that? Like, because he talked about ketchup sandwiches. I know people have eaten like sugar sandwiches. Like, was there anything? If I ate a sugar sandwich in my life, it was by choice. I have never ate a sugar sandwich by my mother and make it even seem like we had, we was down and just bread and sugar. Never happened.

I, maybe this is coming from a very privileged position. When people used to talk about sugar sandwiches, I thought it was a running joke. No. I know that's the thing. In my house, we never ate sugar sandwiches. No, never had to eat a sugar sandwich. I wouldn't even think about putting sugar on bread and putting another piece of bread. I would just eat the bread.

Just toast the bread and butter at that point. I guess you would want something sweet. Well, we were really poor. My dad used to make, like, he used to make these cookies out of, like, just apples and oats. I don't know how he did it, but they were, like, so good. But I didn't realize until I owed her, like, old I was poverty. I mean, I could turn ramen noodles into some shit that you think you're in the East Village eating. Like, same.

Yeah. I can make a ramen pack for $10 last a month and this shit is going to be gourmet. When you're poor, you're not to do that. But a sugar sandwich? A ketchup sandwich? Yes, neat. Yeah, I'm never, we just was never down to that. I'm sorry.

I'm not. I'm speaking from a privileged point. Yeah, like, I don't know if that's privilege. I used to think people were joking when they were like, no, I ate sugar. I was like, why would you do that? Yeah, I'm just was never, we was never down to just bread and sugar. like it never got that bad and i mean i i guess with certain government assistant you get you know milk butter cheese bread just make it grill cheese man like i said it never got that bad

not saying niggas wasn't no public assistance none of that it just never we were not public assistant it never got that somehow my mom is on public assistance now and i have no fucking idea how she did that oh she'd be coming to my crib with with because she has to like buy certain uh because she's retired right Yeah, but it's Yeah. It has something to do with her diabetes and her medical shit.

Like, she'd be coming to my house with like six tubes of toothpaste. She's like, I just got to spend this money. Yeah, they get them called. You got to run it up. Now you want to get on food stamps? I love old people like that. Like, no, why are you going to take my card

to go to Whole Foods? Give me that shit. Hell yeah. Does Whole Foods except Food Stamp? What? Yeah, of course. Oh, damn. I need to sign up.

Hell yeah. It's not food stands. Oh, yeah, it's EBTT cards. It's not this. Y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, I don't even, y'all, y'all never went to the store with food stamps. Y'all don't even know what that is. No, I never did.

Y'all, y'all way too young for that. Well, no, I remember food stamps, but my first job was at like a local grocery store, not a big one, like a mom and pop type thing. That was the first year that they switched over to the EBT card. Because I remember I had to learn how to do that whole thing. And it would always be funny of the people that would either whisper EBT or the people that would just proudly yell it. because you would ask payment some people would be like you know they want to

that's EBT then there'd be some some people they're not even in line yet like yo mine's EBT okay my mom's had food stamps and wasn't on public assistance

people used to sell their food stamps yeah oh yeah and then my mom sent me to the store with the food stamps the homies work there now niggas think we're on welfare like I'm like nigga my mom's keep

some lady she knows but always saw her food stamps she was like yeah fuck it Why not? Because it was obviously cheaper. Yeah. You're coming out better if you're giving cash for those. 100%.

Like, yeah, if you budget a grocery bill, yeah, I'm buying food stamps. Yeah, but now my homie is the one that's bagging the groceries. And he's seen me handing the lady food stamps. Now when he get off and go back to the block, guess who's on welfare? Mall. She put the stamp on his forehead. Yeah, now I'm outside. I got to fight to prove, you know what I'm saying?

Nah, we ain't on no public. Like, now I got to fight everybody outside. Yo, when I discovered, like, discover your poor as a kid, like, by, like, other kids making fun of you because, like, they was like, oh, you get, like, reduced lunch. You get free lunch. Nigs was clowning me. I'm like, I thought that was cool. Oh, you're poor.

Oh, you have to eat here. You have to come here early and get ridden. Reduce and legs. Like, damn, you don't pay for your lunch? Like, no. Oof. It wouldn't be a problem. Yeah.

Food at school was better, though. Like, it wouldn't have been a problem. Elementary school I had reduced lunch. But, like, everybody. I have to ask my mom of how they, I didn't need to be a reduced lunch. whatsoever. I don't know how she moved that whole. It's called work the system. Work the system.

And it was like you really weren't even getting that much off on it. Like it was like $2.3. I wouldn't mind. If the school lunch or the school food in America was like up to the standards of other countries, I wouldn't be mad at that. But like this shit is terrible that they feed us here. Like who's eating tater tots and chocolate milk at 8 in the morning? The turkey surprise still fire. I don't care what nobody say that. turkey with that gravy with that mashed potato hit as a kid i'm sorry that box that box that

powdered them powdered potatoes in that box i don't think our shit's was powder i don't know you think somebody was mashing potatoes back maybe d i got news for you it wasn't a potato in your school no that was a box and water they were busting that's all that shit was that eggs that wasn't real eggs unless it was boxed yeah oh i don't eat people eggs like in real life i'm damn sure not eating no school eggs yeah you ever go you never went back in that in the back of the cafeteria and then go in the stock room you see my my favorite shit was the nasty personal pizza shit and then they tried to put on the side iceberg lettuce oh my god like that's not that's probably that's probably worse for you than the pizza

dirty ass let's you know school food in america is crazy bro it's fucking insane uh i mean demaris might remember i don't know if peach because we're a few years apart when They added spicy chickens into the mix when I was in high school. Oh, my God. European. Mm-hmm. Just had my asshole burning like Tabasco. That shit was, I see them shit every day.

I was having one. I finally went to like a public high school and we could go outside for lunch. That was the greatest year ever. We only do that junior and senior year. Yeah, because freshman sophomore we couldn't go out. As a freshman, we was able to go outside. Okay. Blimpie, Subway, McDonald's, Chinese food.

I was eating all that. shit on the ad. All of that shit. What? I couldn't wait to go outside and get full. I was never fucking with school food. Never. It was never a fan. But I mean, they had, I'm sure there's a doc about it, but like, imagine pumping all that like sodium and terrible food into a kid and then he has two more classes after that. Like he's going to pay attention to. His stomach is all fucked up. Like he can his whole brain is scrambled after that. He got to take a shit. Now you yelling at him for not paying attention. He's trying to focus on not shit. He's all right. He's trying to focus on not shitting on him.

And you mad that he can't count. But that was always in high school, they used to, I don't know if it was a rumor or theory or whatever, but in retrospect, it was probably true. Like, the shit they would purposely put in public school lunches was so you would shit to get it out your system so they wouldn't be liable for anything that they're feeding you. Like get that, flush that out. Because if that shit stay in your stomach.

I don't believe that. That was, you know, it was around the same time that everyone thought little Kim was getting her pummelk stumped. Cierra. Pummed stumped. Pummit stumped. And Sierra's a man. Get your pumice.

Damaris, that's your problem. Get your pummock stumped. Listen. Your pumice stumped. Listen, man, I'm like, when big boy wrapped, I can dick your stuff, whatever the fuck he flipped it on. It's cool, man. What?

You're not a hip-hop bit. He's sleepy. He ate school lunch. I ate school lunch. Morning. I ain't very sleepy, by the way. All right. Let's get out of here because you're sleepy.

No, I have to go right to Rock Nation. Really? Okay, like I literally have to leave very soon. All right, cool, whoa. Shout out to Rock Nation artists. I got to go get cursed out by Rock Nation, which should be fun. For what? But I'm just going to yell outside that they'll crumble.

Yeah, they will. You won't see the last to me. I know Torrey Lane's pops. I love Rock Nation. They're not involved in the pale location. Shout out to Rock Nation, everybody up there. I would talk to y'all soon. Be safe.

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