New Rory & MAL - Episode 414 | Case Dismissed

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

It was a long weekend, and we all know what you want to hear…but we’re saving that for last. Mobb Deep dropped a project that Rory had on repeat all weekend. Wale announces a new EP dropp...ing later in 2025. We can’t believe we live in a world where TMZ has become a credible news source. And finally, Rory, Mal, and Demaris give their take on Drake’s lawsuit against UMG getting dismissed. #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:30 You said what? That's aggressive. It was warm. My bed was really warm. You got your heat turned on already? I live in a brownstone, so they control the heat. I don't know when the fuck Oh, you can't control it in your unit
Starting point is 00:02:41 Oh, it's one of those Oh man, so it's like whatever y'all want That's what we on Yeah I hate those Let me control my own I don't know what y'all on upstairs But downstairs I ain't on that
Starting point is 00:02:50 I ain't on 76 in the house Like I'm not on that And it sucks like Because all the temperatures Have changed in the last decade So it could be 80 degrees in November Yeah And they still turning that heat on
Starting point is 00:03:00 You just got to live No, it's just perfect It's been raining in the last Like two days Nighttime window Yeah I slept with the window Yesterday They might have been one of the best Sundays, though, for the crib.
Starting point is 00:03:10 Yesterday was crazy for the crib. Rain all day. Oh, my God. Miguel Alam, cleaned up. Yeah. Cleaned the whole crib. Yeah, I got behind the toilet yesterday. Go to behind.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Where you move behind and just get behind it? Yeah. Wretch around? Yeah. Hatch around the back of the toilet. Yeah. Hucked around the bowl? Yeah, I reched around last night.
Starting point is 00:03:28 I moved the bed, swept up underneath the bed, mopped up underneath the bed. Like, I cleaned. I did a full clean too. And then I stared out the window for a little bit because it was like one of those, it's the weather that makes. makes you feel lonely. Like, damn, this would be nice. Now, that's just like, this would have been. That's called life for me. That's just like, like, you ever make like your own movie scene? Like, if I, if there was a close
Starting point is 00:03:47 up of me right now, this shot would be amazing. I'm just staring out like, damn, I should be, I should be cuddled up in some cheeks right now. It's all right though. Just rubbing some thighs. Like the candles. Yeah, the Kermit meme, for sure. Yeah, exactly. That was me after the house was clean. Yeah, yeah, that's what you're supposed to do. What'd you make a cup of? You had to have a cup of something. Oh, no, I, listen, man. It's ginger tea season right now. Nice, nice ginger tea, honey Yeah, shit, Josh already closing the windows
Starting point is 00:04:11 Come on, we gotta let that air in. Who had the window open? No, good window crack ain't bad, especially when we all in here talking. You know what I'm saying? It's like the breath. You just like, you know, I got my Uber and you could tell
Starting point is 00:04:21 they was in there talking on the phone because it just was like breath in the car. Like they was talking on the phone with the windows up. Listen, man, we ain't gonna go. Just hot ass back seat. And then I'll be getting mad because I'm like, you got the panoramic sunroof me. You could have opened all of this before I got in here.
Starting point is 00:04:34 You just in here hot boxing, arguing with wifey. Yeah, breast. Yeah, it's like, you know, crack these windows, fan. And look at what Josh doing, making us look like we got wearing the crack house. Like, at least adjust the fucking blind. Fix the blind with top, Josh. Jesus. You know, we got asking Josh is asking a lot. We got to work, we're working with Josh. Josh has not had his snapple yet. You have to bear with him. He has a low blood sugar. Yeah, like he's dizzy. Yeah, like, he's dizzy. You know, a man being dizzy is hilarious. He's just, sit down, bro. It's all right. Josh, just sit down, bro. It's all right. Josh, I have his spells.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Fix that after, bro. Don't worry about it. Just sit down. God, that looks disgusting. Oh, the nail, oh, the nail came out. Yeah, can you fix it, though? We can't have Baby D in the backdrop. Yeah, but let's keep rolling just so.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep the camera on, Baby D. Wow, we're talking just because it'd be funny to watch Josh try to fix this. Watch Josh be a man. Look at, look at me a man. Oh, my God. He's going to knock that old shit down. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Look, oh, yeah, everything's about the fall. Everything. Josh, do not fall through that window. We do not have insurance. We're not that high up. It's okay. He'll live. It might break something, but he'll live for sure.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Oh, my God. You know what, man? You know what, Josh? Leave it off. You know what? Take the whole blind off. They can just see that beautiful white brick behind there. We'll fix it.
Starting point is 00:05:45 Pete, we'll fix that later. Don't worry about that. Anyways, yes, the window was cracked. Sometimes you got to crack a window when no one gets cracked that day. Yeah. Because I just... Oh, y'all didn't get cracked. Yesterday?
Starting point is 00:05:54 I would crack somebody. I wouldn't. Yeah, I'm not getting cracked. I ain't been cracked a day in my life. You've never been cracked? Never. I've had a girl fuck me, I would never got cracked.
Starting point is 00:06:05 Explain. What do you mean by it? You definitely got cracked like a crab leg. Stop. Cracked? How does my man get cracked like a crab leg? You never had her? Both knees to your chest?
Starting point is 00:06:15 Oh, that's when she changed in my diaper though. Cracked like a crab leg. That's cracked like a crab leg. Oh, is that what this is called now? Okay. No. Well, yeah. Listen, I'm on, I'm on record saying I get my diaper change.
Starting point is 00:06:28 It's all good. You never had, and why does this always turn into a horny pop? You've never had her ride it and be like, Like, damn, I think I just got fucked. Oh, yeah. Crack. Yeah. No, I didn't get crack.
Starting point is 00:06:39 I was intact. A man saying he got cracked. I just can't say that. Like, I can never say, shorty came over last night. Cracked. I'm still cracked. Like, I'm recovering.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Like, no, I just never happened. Your ego, y'all not being realistic and honest with yourself. No, I'm being very honest with. So I never got cracked. My back was totally intact. Yeah, yeah. I was cool. All fine.
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Starting point is 00:07:24 Happy work. Thank you to Columbus. Happy work. For discovering America. Yeah. He did a lot. He did a lot. Teaching, I believe they, correct turn is Indians.
Starting point is 00:07:34 That's the correct. Teaching the Indians, you know, the lay of the land and, you know, really showing them around. Yeah, and, you know, really helping out, you know, an entire race of people. I think, you know, Columbus doesn't get enough credit. He needs more than just the circle. Yeah, more than a day. Yeah. It should be every day since we're here every day in America.
Starting point is 00:07:51 So, yeah. It's something about me having a cold that was given to me by a white man on Indigenous People's Day. Like, you really gave me the smallpox blanket. Who? Rory. How did you give baby D.C.? She just keeps making this up. I did not give her.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Me and Pete. both sick. It's because y'all were hanging out together in Brooklyn. I'm not sick. How can I get somebody sick when I'm not sick? Because you were sick, but you don't feel Amara germs no more. They escape you. You don't feel them anymore. I have the daycare vaccine. Like the antibodies are in me for all
Starting point is 00:08:18 disgusting children. So does it a cold. Got a cold. I had a cold. He gave it to us on Wednesday. We came in Thursday, fucked up, and then me and P. just fucked up this whole weekend. All right, but how I have just like a little bit of a sniffle, just a, just what one Kleenex will clear it out. Yeah. They're full Oh,
Starting point is 00:08:35 how could I give them something I didn't? Because Amara has gotten you sick so much that you are immune. But we are not immune. We don't have crumb snatchers. All right. Well, shit, go hang out around some daycares. Get that antibody.
Starting point is 00:08:47 They'll lock me up. That's called birth control right there. Hanging out of the daycare, that's called birth control. Just go around some playgrounds and just hang out. Yeah. Just some gingerty. You'll be all right. You tough, right?
Starting point is 00:08:58 No. I have thought about that before of like asking somebody at a playground. Like which kid is yours? And be like, oh, no, I have no kids here. Like, what the fuck? So should I call the police or what? Because like when you have the parent like intuition on things,
Starting point is 00:09:16 you can see other parents' eyes moving because they're following their kid. Sometimes I'll see a parent and their eyes are not moving. And I'm like, do you have a kid here? Yeah. Your head has not moved once. Yeah, you're not like aware. Kids fall and you're not jumping. Like, yeah, you're not a parent.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Oh, yeah. Yo, do you ever feel like weird when y'all walk in the store and like walk out? not buy nothing. Yeah. I feel like they're watching you. Mm-hmm. That happened to me. I was looking for something very specific over the weekend.
Starting point is 00:09:41 I couldn't find it. I walked in like three stores. I was like, they definitely think I'm in here trying to steal. Yeah. Naturally. I mean, they should,
Starting point is 00:09:47 I mean, I feel like they should follow you even if you're purchasing. You never know, but. Me in particular, right? I feel like, I feel like they should follow you anyway. Like, so you walk in. I like, in my head,
Starting point is 00:10:02 I'm just thinking, hurry up and by. It's like, all I have in my head, but I don't want to say that loud. I was walking out. I was like, yeah, I definitely feel like, and you got to do the fake like, like you disappointed,
Starting point is 00:10:13 they didn't have it look. Like you gotta, like, you can't just walk out. Like, yeah, these things ain't never got what I mean. You can't walk out like,
Starting point is 00:10:20 you just like, you know what I'm saying? Like, all right, cool. Now you gotta walk out like you disappointed. You didn't fire what you was looking for.
Starting point is 00:10:25 You can't walk out with a straight face. No. That's a good thing to bring up on this glorious Columbus day. That is something of white privilege that we don't even think about. That's crazy. Like,
Starting point is 00:10:34 it doesn't even cross my mind that when I, walk in a store, somebody would be concerned if I'm there for good or bad reasons. No, but it's like you walk in. It doesn't even cross my mind. But you just leave and it's like, I couldn't find what you was looking for in this big store. I bet. Yeah, but I mean, if you go to like a department store or clothing store, you can browse. Browsing in a corner store is kind of crazy. You just browsing? Black people don't have that. We don't have that. Who goes into a corner store without an intention? Like you don't go to the corner store.
Starting point is 00:11:01 Like, let me see what's in there. They all got different babes. You got to see who got the best babes. You go into a grocery and be like, ah, I never tried this before. Oh, no, you can eye
Starting point is 00:11:08 from the outside. You know, you can tell from the outside of a store if they got the specific drink that you're looking for.
Starting point is 00:11:14 Like, if the front don't look presentable, y'all don't even know what I'm drinking. Yeah, you're not even looking for the things
Starting point is 00:11:20 that I'm drinking in. It's not possible. Yeah. And now, like, with some of these corner stores getting so like, like yuppie,
Starting point is 00:11:28 you sometimes can't even find the shit you're looking for. Like, it's a bunch of, what's that, kombcha juice, kombacho kombucha
Starting point is 00:11:35 all that shit is it's just like I just want to Poland Spring Oh they They got an array of those I can't even get that
Starting point is 00:11:40 I didn't even have that many flavors Yeah and kombucha It's just fucking energy drinks and weird juices And rosé
Starting point is 00:11:46 They got a rosé sparkling lemonade I ran into Fire Cambocha No Like a rosé It's like a sparkling
Starting point is 00:11:53 rosé But it's not alcoholic or like rosé Roseae flavored soda I don't know shit is fire Y' got try it out I'm not like that
Starting point is 00:12:00 I never look for the rosé in the store I'm either water or I'm out. Not the white clothes? Nah, I don't drink. You know I don't drink that shit. The electrolytes?
Starting point is 00:12:11 The new pediolites? The adult pediolites? Tripping. No, I just drink water. Ooh, look at this guy. I'm just saying, I'm not. I'm not looking for electrolytes and I'm just water. That's all.
Starting point is 00:12:24 We need some water. When was the last time you guys drank a five-hour energy? I've never drank a five-hour energy. I drank one last week, and when I tell you, it was the craziest anxiety attack. I've ever had. Like, the amount of jitters I felt for 30 minutes was insane. Like, I literally wanted to curl up in a ball and just die. Why did you drink that?
Starting point is 00:12:42 Because I was exhausted and I was like, oh, I've had these before, like, when I was in my 20s. I don't think it's made for 30-year-old bodies. The same way, like, Gatorade is too sweet for me now. Five-hour energies are not built for how old my body is. I feel like they have better, like, variations of that available now. It's like coffee. Well, yes.
Starting point is 00:13:03 If you need a caffeine boost like coffee. But I feel like it's still those like those little drinks. I feel like there's better like variations now. Healthy. They've made, they've yuppified it. Yeah. Like it's like a little healthier,
Starting point is 00:13:14 a little more natural. Yeah. Whatever Alex Jones and Joe Rogan sell, I'm sure that there's something there. Yeah. Some protein shake that we can just take. Broteen? Ew.
Starting point is 00:13:22 Definitely. Did you make that up? Did you make that up? Oh yeah. There they go. I've seen those. The little energy. Magic mind.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Oh, what you got to do is put magic on it. I'll drink. You remember when we used to record in my crib? I used to have the magic mines on deck in there. For real? Yeah, because somebody that works with avant-gardeau. She'll, her husband now, I guess, is like a founder of that.
Starting point is 00:13:44 Oh, okay. So they used to be on deck in there. All natural? To the point that I had to email them and saying, I can't drink these fast enough. I don't want them to go bad. Oh, you got to store it. You got to put in the fridge? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:54 Okay. They're like, stop sending these are going to go bad. I can't drink 15 packs of these. I never heard of a magic mine. They're good. They're more. natural than five hour like energy shit yeah i don't know why you you even drank that but did it work yeah too good like i didn't want to be here anymore like on like jitters like to the point that i was like
Starting point is 00:14:15 about to have an anxiety attack of how crazy it made me feel yeah i hate that feel i don't like that feeling anxiety i laugh at it like when i feel it coming on you just got to laugh like you don't never feel yourself getting anxious like oh shit i'm about to have an anxiety attack and you just start laughing because you know what's about to happen. Nah, I never, damn. Try it. Yo, more going face to face with anxiety. It's hilarious.
Starting point is 00:14:37 No, bro, but you, because you can feel it like when you're like getting that angst and you're like, nigger laughing in the face. Yeah, you got to just be like, oh, I already know what I know this feeling. Like, all, here we go. I do that when like something, like when something, I cry over a little shit, but when something really, really bad happens in my life, I look at the sky and laugh. I'm like, no, you're not dead ass guy. Like, I don't look like, you're not dead ass.
Starting point is 00:14:57 Like, you're not about to take me right now. Yeah, like this. you ain't like my best friend ain't dead like you made that up you're like you're just up you're just up there doing anything like you freestyling it yeah you're like if everything happens for a reason you're fucking weird yeah you know it's so funny that humans all we all kind of have like the same type of shit like looking up like all right we're like this what we're doing this for the plot right you doing this shit for the plot for sure well how old are y'all when you found out what anxiety was like you're like really like we're like really like
Starting point is 00:15:30 word definition of what things not like the feeling oh but like what like oh that's anxiety because before it used to be called panic attack but that's what it used to go like yo you panicking like yeah but like nah like that's called anxiety like it's a natural thing like to be anxious like but like probably in my late 20s early 30s I learned in my 20s and I was like oh I thought that was just everyone's household yeah like when I saw the definition of anxiety I was like oh this is my mother in the overall environment in my house said, oh, there's a word for this. Absolutely. Like literally, it's tangible when you walk in.
Starting point is 00:16:03 You can just touch the anxiety. Wait until you get old enough to realize, like, your home and how you keep your home and space. And wait until you get to that, where you realize that causes anxiety. Like, seeing your shit messy and dirty, like, shit everywhere, that causes anxiety for me now. Oh, I mean, that's, it's a little different now just with a child because it's always going to be messy, but that Sunday cleaning shit really helps your week.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Oh, my God. Like, your space is really what you're. brain is going to be for the week. 100%. That shit is cluttered and dirty and fucked up. Your week is going to be, well, at least for me. That's how it's. For me, same.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Like, if it's not clean and everything's not organized and like I purge almost every other week now. Like, I have to get rid of stuff every other week. I'm like, yo, I'm getting rid of it because I know how I am. Like, this should have be here and it is stack up and I'll have 30 of these. And I'm like, why? So now once I see things getting out of hand, put them in a box, yo, whoever wants this come get it.
Starting point is 00:16:54 I do that with people, but I feel you. You do that with people who stack niggas up and just be like, leave him at the door like you like you'll leave him at the door. Wait, is today recycling though? Or it's tomorrow recycling day? You're over the marriage critters, two light skin niggas came about
Starting point is 00:17:05 and two. Like, who these dick is? You wildly. Which one's paper? Which one's plastic? Like, do you separate? You put some in the clear bag so they know this is recycling? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We might bring him back the word by the boy, put him over it. Somebody can use him for sure. But not me. I use it
Starting point is 00:17:21 is a thing. You know, like, how bad of a hero I feel in my head when I like get rid of my shit and donate it, to like whatever the clothing shit is. This is how much of like I'm in my head feel like I'm a good person and I'm not. Like when I take like brand new sneakers that I never wore and donate them,
Starting point is 00:17:37 all I think about is like, man, they should show me this kid's face when he opens it. Like this isn't some hammy down. That's so ego. I know. That is crazy.
Starting point is 00:17:47 I know it's awful. That is sick. But that's how I know I'm not a sociopath that I realize my insane thoughts and go, you're wrong. Yeah, yeah. You're fucking crazy. Like I feel good about myself.
Starting point is 00:17:57 not that I've done like, nah, they should let me know how this kid feels. That is great. That's sick as fuck. But you gotta think about, though,
Starting point is 00:18:05 like in those situations, a lot of hand me down, donated clothes sometimes it's trash. And I just, I just be giving away untouched, I'll be giving away
Starting point is 00:18:14 $175 shoes. And I'm like, I'll be getting rid of some heat. I'm like, there's no way I'm going to hell. Yeah, nah, yeah,
Starting point is 00:18:20 I'm good. I got to be. Like, come on, look at my track record. I donated free speaker. Yo. We are so,
Starting point is 00:18:27 stupid as men, bro. We are so fucking stupid. And sometimes I'll be like, nah, this is too good to donate. It should just sit in my closet. All the worst is when you get rid of something, like, I've gotten rid of sneakers and then like get an outfit. I'm like, yo, those would have went crazy with this. And you try thinking about, yo, who I gave those? Like, I'm going to reach your hand back in the clothing. Oh my God. Like, I might need those back. Like, bring those back. But it's good to get rid of purge and get rid of shit, man. I love doing that. I love getting rid of shit. But I mean, I try to go back into the ecosystem because I like to thrift and like sometimes. Which is crazy.
Starting point is 00:19:01 You get rid of stuff and you go thrift. Yeah. And I think a lot of like the thrift stores I go to like them $3 shirts is probably for there's a reason why people go. I'm going here for fashion. Yeah. Like I feel like sometimes I feel bad. I'm like, man, what am I doing? But nothing was like better than thrift than when you find a piece.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Oh. That's like crazy. I can't believe somebody got rid of this. hard to do now, though, because they've made thrifting like a, like a thing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, before used to be in New York. Used to be frowned upon.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Like, you got those from where? Like, like, somebody owned that before? Yeah. Now fucking, you know, kids with a trust fund that are writing their screenplay in Brooklyn are going to Salvation Army. Yeah. To, like, you know, feel the vibe. Just throw something together real quick.
Starting point is 00:19:49 But I mean, shit, the amount of people that, like, just have family members pass and they just donate their shit. And it's like, you don't know what you just gave away. Yeah. These Calvin Klein shouldn't be $3. And this fucking... Thrifting is dope, man. I love thrifting.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Only in New York, though. I think New York is a thrift city. Nah, Jersey. You all go to Jersey. They just opened a new one outside the Lincoln Tunnel, grand opening. That shit is like a Walmart. All the rich white women give their shit up or they die in Jersey. All rich white women die in Jersey.
Starting point is 00:20:21 Yeah, the rich white women be dying. The rich white women in Jersey. Jersey be dying and giving up day shit. I'm telling you. Oh, the Texas don't die. They just move to Jersey. They moved to Jersey. No, Florida, I told you all when I went down to West Palm Beach, I don't know, like a month ago, that is, I mean, of course, it's the doorway to hell to begin with.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Everyone just goes to Florida to die. So their thrift stores are incredible. Like every new day, there's a whole shipment of just old people's clothes that are going in there. See, I always feel like, New York was that because we have so many people that work at like these high-end, like, you know, companies as far as fashion, they have a lot of things from showrooms and things that, you know, samples and things that never really get manufactured. And then they take them to thrift stores and just like, yo, I had the whole closet full of this shit. So I just felt like Manhattan was always the greatest because there's so many people that work in fashion right
Starting point is 00:21:12 here in the city. Yeah, even like when my grandfather passed and they were just trying to like, you know, get rid of shit, I went through one box and he had two original penance from the world's fair. I was like, y'all was about to give this away? Like, This is from the world's fair, like the first one. He went there. And we're about to just give this to somebody. It's crazy. Shout out to my boy, him.
Starting point is 00:21:32 He got his, he got his thrift store on, what's that first? First half. Oh, yeah. Yeah, first and 11th. 10th. 11th year. Yeah, that place is great. Revamped NYC.
Starting point is 00:21:41 Check it out if you're in the city. It's one of the best retailers. Yeah, I mean, that's how like you see old people end up with like Kappa shirts on or like just random people. Absolutely. It's a rest and peace to guru's father. He had called me, his father was a noop. and he called me he's like I have all my
Starting point is 00:21:56 my pops like Kappa stuff how do I donate this because I see that's how the shit ends up Yeah Bousy Courtside It's because you could just
Starting point is 00:22:04 People get rid of the shit They're not part of the frat So they just give it away Do y'all get offended by that though Like if I if I find a caper jacket At a thrift store And I buy and I wear it Like is a real noop
Starting point is 00:22:14 Are they offended by that? Um I wouldn't be offended I would ask you like Is it like if I have one A Army uniform And I'm acting like I'm I'm ashamed of
Starting point is 00:22:23 stolen valor i don't think it's the same stolen valor i don't think it's the exact same thing me following a new jacket is not stolen valor is like an actual crime yeah i don't think people should pretend to be in the military and wear i i support our troops enough to think that that is a crime yeah and i don't think you should be wearing like police uniforms when you're not a cop but no with i guess it'd be more intention like if if boozy just like went into his i should family members crib and saw a cap of shirt was like, this is fly. Like, not knowing anything, nah,
Starting point is 00:22:55 wouldn't be mad. Okay. But there are people that pretend purposely to be capitalists. And then, yeah, that's a problem. That's weird as fuck.
Starting point is 00:23:03 That's what. But, no, I mean, yeah, there'd be some, like, extra nofs that would be mad about it, but not. Run your shit.
Starting point is 00:23:10 I don't have, I've seen that plenty of times. There used to be Facebook pages full of fake cappas, like, if you see them on a campus, fucking run the fade. No, you think I'm joking.
Starting point is 00:23:21 That's so, That's just funny I've literally seen people get punched out these jackets No me too But it wasn't because They were trying to be a move They just got punched out their jacket
Starting point is 00:23:31 It was an eight ball jacket Yeah he just got punched out of shit That's all Yo But yeah there is a I guess stolen valor type shit With the Greek world for sure Because Greeks especially
Starting point is 00:23:42 Undergrads Are you know Very sensitive about that shit As they should be Because it is something That's near and dear to people's hearts But some people just Think that shit look fly
Starting point is 00:23:51 Yeah, no. I just like purple and gold together. I didn't know this was a cute thing. Yeah. But if, you know, a cue decides to fucking kick you in the face with his gold tin, then you just got kicked. That's it. I don't know what to tell you. Got to wear it.
Starting point is 00:24:03 Anyways, where do we start outside of it being a glorious Columbus Day? Where do we begin with the Mobb Depot? Oh, man. I'm ready to shed it here. It's so good. It's a really good project. I was so happy when I put it on play. it like they did they did it right it it feels like this is not you know demaris i can never say the
Starting point is 00:24:27 word possumous posthumous posthumus yeah it's not a possum album it really feels like havoc prodigy and alchemist put out an album in 2025 absolutely it feels like an evolution of mob deep in the most beautiful way ever there's not a fucking skip on it prodigy is rapping at the highest level of prodig, which is saying something. Havoc sounds incredible. I don't even know, like, what to say more about what this mob deep album is. What is it about 25 where, like, we're seeing, you know, mob deep and... Mass appeal.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Yeah, like, what is it, like, what's going on? Mass appeal is, I mean, I know people are obviously talking about mass appeal and everything that they're doing, but I still think we need to champion them even more. Everything that Peter, Naz and the whole staff over there, Anthony, I'm sure, just being Nas' manager is heavily involved with it too. What you guys are doing is how hip hop should age. Like, this is the best example ever. When they say no country for old men, nope.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Hip hop is aging perfectly because of what Nas and Mass Appeal are doing. Everything is incredible. It's handled with care. It's not just to do it for the fuck of it. They're all moving together too. And they were all at Comic Con, I believe that was, this weekend. Like seeing everyone move together to promote it. It's been the most beautiful thing to watch hip hop age in this way.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Absolutely. Like, Nas does not get enough credit for what, this is what elder statesmen are supposed to do. Not only look out for the younger, but also your peers. And the people before you. Make sure things are done right. Done with taste, done with attention to detail, curating things properly. I think, like you said, everything you said is correct. What Massifil has been doing with all of the projects that they've been a part of,
Starting point is 00:26:15 has been just handled with so much, like you said, care and, you know, they really, you know, want to make sure things are done correctly and with class and still have that style that, you know, hip hop is supposed to have. So shout out to Massap Hill because they've been getting it right. Yeah, that shit, I mean, just coming off the intro, like, I literally did not take the Mobdi album off over the weekend. Like usually I take my break to catch up on my pod shit
Starting point is 00:26:44 and, you know, audiobooks and that shit. I, this was probably the first weekend and a while that I literally did not stop listening to one album for three days straight.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Yeah. Out the gate, call me corny, but shit, against the world when Prodigy ended that shit we see you on the other side, I legitimately got fucking chills.
Starting point is 00:27:02 Yeah. And even poor of, like, having that verse of, like, already pre-recorded for, if I pass away, was, absolutely insane.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Yeah. And then having Nas followed that shit up was, I can't even say enough about it. Hearing Ray Kwan and Ghostface with them again was incredible. The clips for the first time, like, it just reminds you how important duos are. Yeah. And I know like Ghost and Ray, obviously,
Starting point is 00:27:31 are solo and all that, but they're a duo. Clips, duo. Like, that shit is needed in hip-hop, I feel like. The big group shit cool, solo cool, but just two fucking people that can rap well, I miss that shit so much and this this nailed it
Starting point is 00:27:47 like Alchemist when are we going to have the conversation of I know he gets his flowers but the way we talk about Swiss Tim Kanye just
Starting point is 00:28:01 you can make an argument that Al is above some of them at this point this run for the last five six years outside of what Al already accomplished what he has Even when he posted his for your Grammy
Starting point is 00:28:14 consideration, and you just looked at what he did in the last fucking year. Yeah. And in the middle of doing this, also doing his Eric about due album,
Starting point is 00:28:20 coming off the Freddie Gives shit, doing the Mobb Deep, like, hit boy album. Rapping crazy on that. Yeah. Like, is there even a debate
Starting point is 00:28:29 that Al is not A-list hip-hop royalty as a producer? That's not a thing. No, but like, it's a different status at this point. Like, he surpassed Tim in my brain.
Starting point is 00:28:40 Well, Tim does more than just hip hop. Like Tim, you know, he does more than rap. So Tim is a different conversation. He does AI. He does AI. You write about that. But if we're doing a versus this year, you and your fucking bullshit Korean AI girl versus Erica Badu and Al? I think I'm going to go out. Oh, no, no, for sure. Absolutely. But, you know, Alchemist is, again, we talk about it. He's the soundtrack to, you know, New York hip-hop. His sound is the is the backdrop to New York City. As far as I'm concerned, he's one of my favorite producers ever.
Starting point is 00:29:16 And what he continues to do and how he continues to still find ways to be creative and stay motivated, stay inspired by this new generation and new sounds, it's dope to watch. You know what I'm saying? Him still have fun with it. And things like this, you know, this Mobb Deep album, which is obviously very personal for him, for him to still be able to capture that feeling and keep that mob deep sound to a certain level of where we know what to be. It just speaks to Al's his dedication to just always staying sharp and keeping his craft at a high level.
Starting point is 00:29:50 But yeah, definitely Alchemist. I mean, I don't know who argues Alchemist's his status in, you know, the best produce of all-time category. I guess I'm just saying now with the second run he's had, I think it's undeniable. Like before maybe there was some conversation like, oh, you got to look Swiss has these huge number one records. And with all these A-list, I just think with this run, you. can't say all those names and not say Alchemist as well. And not that he gives a fuck, but. Yeah, but that makes it even better.
Starting point is 00:30:19 He don't do it for that. He don't care about the recognition of it. He just wants the music and the craft that speaks for itself. And shout out to Havoc. I mean, obviously, you know, they called Al the third member of Mobb Deep years and years ago. But to even, you know, have Al part of that as well, I thought says a lot about Havoc too. Because I have could have been like, nah, not this one. This is just, I'm just doing this, me and P.
Starting point is 00:30:41 So to collaborate with him there, because I think Hav is one of the most underrated produced, probably the most underrated drums in hip hop history is have to me. But him also, you know, letting Al be a part of this, I think, was, says a lot about havoc in that regard. But sorry for the nerd shit. I just can't say enough about this fucking, Mobb Deep album. Infinite available now. If you haven't heard it, I don't know what you was listening to, but definitely go
Starting point is 00:31:04 listen to that Mobb Deep album. They also announced Naz DJ Premier drop in December 2025. they put out a record a couple months ago. I mean, we've been hearing about this for over a year. I can't wait for this. Like, what a fucking year. Yeah. We also get a nods in premiere shit at the end of the year.
Starting point is 00:31:22 I mean, we've been talking about this for years. You know, we get a Big L album into it as well. Yeah, yeah. Massapill is, listen, man, I love it, man. I think, you know, they've carved a very specific thing out for what they want to do and how they want to do things. And they've been executing at a high level. the quality has been incredible.
Starting point is 00:31:42 So I'm here, man. I'm looking forward to anything that Masterpil is doing, I'm looking forward to it. I don't know if there's some type of Grammy or there should be some type of award I feel like for label of the year. Something. They deserve that type of award.
Starting point is 00:31:56 And even coming off, was it 50 years last year for hip-hop anniversary? Two years ago. Even Massifield being, you know, behind the celebration at Yankee Stadium, like I don't ever want to hear any old head complain that hip hop was in a bad space. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:13 Like you look at what they're doing with the genre that we love. Yeah. There's still this side over here. Absolutely. And if you're complaining, you need to start praising fucking mass appeal and what they've done. And on the doc side and on the content side. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:32:27 I'm not your dick riding. Mass appeal. I'm sorry. You guys are fucking amazing. That's so fucking good. I totally understand. And what you do? Like, I appreciate that shit.
Starting point is 00:32:35 It's just all we, all podcasting lately is fucking hating. I want to highlight how. amazing a company is doing right now. Yeah. Like for the spirit, all that corny shit of hip hop. Let's stop complaining about shit sometimes and highlight the people that are doing it correctly. No, the dope shit is out there.
Starting point is 00:32:50 I mean, you just got to pay attention to it and highlight it and support it. But it's definitely great hip hop music still being produced, still being created. So yeah, you just got to support it when you see it. And again, this MobbD Infinite album is one of them. And looking forward to, again, you know, anything that Maspel is doing because they are, They're just paying attention to the details, man. Just making sure everything is done at a certain level. So you've got to support anybody, any creator that's paying attention to the small things and the details of it.
Starting point is 00:33:19 No, for sure. And, I mean, anything to get Nause outside too. I love that just Nause is just running around New York now. Yeah. Like, this shit is great to see. Yeah, man. Daylaw looks incredible. Everybody looks young and, like healthy and shit.
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Starting point is 00:36:36 I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you're saying? You can find out on The Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s.
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Starting point is 00:39:34 So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the Hipsons High School. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider.
Starting point is 00:39:45 This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Well, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here?
Starting point is 00:39:59 Just take it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. Can you believe? I would buy it.
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Starting point is 00:40:24 Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Staying on hip-hop, while I announced, everything is a lot. November 2025. I love that's what one of my favorite rappers. He just dropped, I guess you would call it the James Freestyle, produced by Don Cannon. That was crazy over the weekend. Yeah, he went crazy on that.
Starting point is 00:40:53 And Wally is rapping, rapping. So if he's in this type of shape, I can't wait to see what he does with this project. This was one of the better years so far with hip-hop. Yeah, we're in October. Like, this could rival, I think, a 2016 type thing. Yeah. This year has been incredible for rap. I just like, you know, Waleigh, man, he's, we talk about him.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Walee doesn't have like a whack album. No, his lithography is insane. Yeah. I think it would rival some of the people that we think are. Yeah, again, he's one of the guys that, again, attention to it all, pay, you know, just very meticulous with his, with his craft. Yeah, so, you know, the beginning of Wilee album next month. I'm looking forward to see that, that, the James, James is the name of it?
Starting point is 00:41:40 I mean, I loved how he flipped the hook of all. that whole shit is crazy. And for the people that tend to critique while I guess the constant serrativity, oh, you sounds bitter. Some of us feel bitter. Some of us like to hear bitter raps. Sometimes I have a bone in my body that's bitter and I can relate to that and appreciate that type of aggression and anger.
Starting point is 00:42:00 I'm fine if you sound bitter sometimes. Even if that's the wrong word because it comes across negative. But some people have the right to feel that fucking way. And they shouldn't have to curb their feelings because, yo, you come on across bitter. I'm bitter. Yeah, but I think while I think people feel like why are you bitter?
Starting point is 00:42:16 Like, what are you bitter about? What are you upset about? They say he sounds bitter but never address what he's saying in sounding bitter. Because what he's saying is facts. He's never lied about anything. Y'all just are sensitive
Starting point is 00:42:28 and feel like it comes across a certain way. It's like, that's how people talk sometimes. Yeah. And people who have been through the fucking ringer and maybe didn't get what they deserved and looks that other people got, yeah, you would feel a fucking way. And I don't mind that.
Starting point is 00:42:40 Because I think all adults are fucking bitter to some degree. At some point, yeah, absolutely. But, well, Walee, I mean, you know. And I don't think he's bitter. I just know how people come, like, receive him. And I don't think he is. But that anger, I understand the rage that Walee feels. I feel the same thing.
Starting point is 00:42:56 I mean, I'm not privy to a lot of Wale's business when it comes to, you know, his dealings with his music and stuff like that. But, I mean, the quality and the product has always been dope. So, you know, to me, that's all I'm as a consumer. That's all that matters to me. But I understand, you know, he may have more information about certain things that were done, certain moves that was made behind the scenes that kind of affected him in a negative way or kind of didn't give him the light or the look that, you know, he felt he deserved. But, you know, at this point, I mean, Wale is Wai.
Starting point is 00:43:31 Like, he's going to give you a dope album. He's going to be rapping his ass off. He going to have that shit on. while is to me is one of the the flyest rappers that we have for sure i mean so i mean as a consumer listen man i support it i don't know what anybody else is not supporting or why they don't like walea or when it became cool to not like waleigh but one thing you ain't going to say is while they had a whack album you're not going to be ever said never could never say that yeah you're not going to this entire discography from mixtape to album it was funny when was
Starting point is 00:43:58 two years ago when i went on a little rant when my album was left off the complex list which i felt was insane out of the hundred albums from that year And I went on my rent. Wiley texted me the next day and said, now you get it. About what you were saying? No, remember when he, that phone call leaked, when he had like threatened complex,
Starting point is 00:44:19 when he's like, you mean to tell me Juicy J album better than my life? He said, I'm going to come up there. Yeah. He just, just text me the words, now you get it. Yeah, I mean, listen, I understand, man. It's a lot of shit that goes on that, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:32 we may not know, but as artists they deal with, I mean, you know, you've had to put out an album It's a lot. You know, it kind of like starts to fuck with you creatively and things like that. And as a dope-ass artist, you start to second-guess your skills sometimes maybe like, yo, how come I'm not getting the praise or the attention or, you know, the notoriety that this dude? And you don't want to, it's fucked up because you don't want to seem like you hating on somebody. For sure.
Starting point is 00:44:57 Like, you don't want to say these things and be like, it come across like, oh, you hating on him because he got this look. And it's like, no, it's not that. It's like, I just know from a different perspective of it. from a skill set, I'm better than a lot of these guys that of what I do. Y'all praise and things like that. And it's like, how come I don't get that same type of, you know, praise and I'm better than these dudes? So I get it.
Starting point is 00:45:19 And I apologize while, like, because I don't even want to put this stigma out there or re-put out what people have said. Because I don't feel that he's bitter. But I get the frustration in certain parts. I totally understand it. I wish people didn't put that stigma on him at all because I understand. But I mean, I would like to see Meek on this album. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:40 Yeah, I think they made great music together. Obviously, they've had ups and downs when they were signed to the same label, but they make great. They, the juxtaposition between the two of them, I've always felt works really well. Like, they are polar opposites in approaches, and that's why I think they work. I'd like to see them make music. Not that I want Meek-Mill to do his D4VD, whatever the fuck. David, baby. Oh, is that?
Starting point is 00:46:05 Oh, it's like six lakh. Yeah. That guy's name has been David this whole time. Yes. I've been calling him DVD for three weeks. DVD is crazy. DVD is wild. Because I've never even heard of him until this whole case.
Starting point is 00:46:22 Yeah. Meek posted, again, we're here to give flowers. Meek, the greatest tweeter of all time, said he needs this type of promo for his album. Who does he call? I mean, I get accused. of murder murdering a girl a little girl what is wrong with him no but to be fair you know meek might not know anything about that yeah because i can see a lot of people don't even know about that story yeah or they're just learning about it now and we know that meeks a time he just pick up his
Starting point is 00:46:52 phone and he just go he just whatever's on his mind he's going to tweet it he ain't going to read the room he's not going to understand like what this david kid has going on like he's just like okay this is everybody's talking about this kid like all right i need that type of I need this type of rollout. Yeah, we're giving the number to whatever prosecutor is in Texas. You standing up for Meek is so hard. I know some people now are like, all right, meek is just, he leans into a lot of stuff.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Absolutely. I still romanticize that this is just Meek's thoughts. I really think that's just Meek thought. Like, I really think. I want to romanticize that this is just opening his phone and being like, I'm about to get some shit off. How you get this? Yeah, I'm about to get some shit off right now.
Starting point is 00:47:34 Watch this. No, I don't even think he's saying. watch this. I think Meek just dead ass just be tweeting and then people would be like Meek and he'd be like what? Like I really think he's just He doesn't get it. He don't give a fuck. No, he don't give a fuck. He really doesn't give a fuck. I don't even think he knows that he should give a fuck. Like you see I'm saying? Like I really think
Starting point is 00:47:50 Well with this definitely it's like he should know like yo you know homie got some crazy shit going on right now right? Like they're saying he killed an underage girl he was having a relationship with like family. That nigga probably was like what? Like he don't. I don't know what world Meek living. I want to live in it though. Dream chasers. He's dreaming. But I got to know outside of just that TMZ exclusive, like, has me seen more like the promo? Like, why was this the one where he was like, yeah, I see this guy everywhere. Like, did he read?
Starting point is 00:48:17 Why this guy was everywhere? No. He just be seeing his face. I can see him. Yeah, he everywhere. Everybody talking about this kid. I need that type of promo. Got to hit Harvey, man.
Starting point is 00:48:26 Did you all see the video of, I guess, like the footage of TMZ before they broke the whole Colgan passing a story? No. that shit is insane they didn't even know for sure they didn't even know like everybody was kind of going crazy somebody was like yo Hogan died so everything stops
Starting point is 00:48:44 they're like what so they're trying to figure out if it's true Harvey picks up the phone we still don't know who he called he was like hey can I ask you something is Hogan dead who are you calling to confirm that so everybody that works is kind of going crazy the guy comes back he died
Starting point is 00:49:01 he's been you know his health has been declining Hogan is dead somebody just yells, I have 135 words, I guess for the tweet, I guess. Yo. I was like, yo, this is this how they do it at TMV? Yeah. It's insane. And they still didn't get it like confirmed and was like, it's up.
Starting point is 00:49:18 Like they basically posted like Hulk Hogan dies. Like didn't even really confirm. Harri just walks away on the phone, goes to his office. I'm like, so they posted that and didn't even have 100% confirmation yet. That bennas are sick, bro. Yeah, man, that's Harvey. You don't understand. You know, a little Tumblr.
Starting point is 00:49:35 But what is their record, though, when it comes to that? Because have they ever done it? They're batting close to a thousand. That's what I'm saying. So that's why that, to see that and nobody had confirmation. Like, it wasn't like, it was a definitive, like, just the one guy came out was like, he died, his health has been declining. He has 135 words, I guess the social media manager or whatever.
Starting point is 00:49:56 And 10 seconds later, they were like, it's up. I'm like, yo, that is crazy to see how that unfolds. Another branch off the OJ tree. Yeah, that's wild. Which is insane. I mean, in that Tumblr water that Harvey carries around, like that has the sweat of unicorn and baby blood in it. He's not drinking water.
Starting point is 00:50:13 Like, he is, that's like different level, Illuminati shit that Harvey. I want to know who Harvey picked up that phone and called. They don't have a name. He said, can I ask you something. It's Hogan dead. Who is that? Like, who are you, who do you call in that moment to confirm that? He doesn't know their name.
Starting point is 00:50:27 Yeah. They're just somebody that just, they just answered that phone. There's no number. They just. The TMZ phone. You know, like in every movie when they meet the spot. and like, yeah, it's that level type of shit. He doesn't know he's talking to, but he knows they know.
Starting point is 00:50:39 It was just interesting to see like a machine, you know, of TMZ's caliber in that moment where they deliver that info to the world. Like before we get it to see that, was just, was interesting. It was one time where I was like, people were, I was just on live and people were like, you guys, some information you guys get wrong. And I'm like, we're a podcast. We're not like, you shouldn't cite us as a source. And I said, we're not TMZ.
Starting point is 00:51:01 And somebody was like, why are you claiming TMZ as like a, a, worthy news. I'm like, TMC don't be getting shit wrong. Sometimes they step over ethical boundaries. For sure. But they don't get shit wrong. You should believe TMZ when they say something. Anytime. In fact, not only that, we look to TMZ. Yeah. As soon as we
Starting point is 00:51:19 hear about something, it's like... I mean, the TMZ posted. The TMZ posted. And that's, oh, damn TMZ posted. It's true. Yeah. Which is nuts. So that speaks, that speaks volumes. I mean, it's crazy that a gossip site, like, got to that fucking level. Yeah. That is, like, really, really nuts. And I want to know, like,
Starting point is 00:51:35 They need to do a doc on TMZ. Like, who's the first reporter that got, like, really cool with all the coroners in L.A.? Like, how do you approach that as a journalist? Like, no, I got a mole at the cemetery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know when the body gets there. Donuts and gum. Which is crazy.
Starting point is 00:51:52 But, I mean, shit, even, you know, I have a friend that's a detective for the NYPD. TMZ calls him? Really? Mm-hmm. I'm like, how did you even, like, Gitsy's like, yo, they found me on Facebook? that's no they do their fucking do diligent i fuck with it of course he would never leak any information from um you know the city of new york to tmz but they do hit him constantly they reach out information like absolutely no these cops is on they're on the take for tmz i've been seeing the uh
Starting point is 00:52:23 the medium uh sylvia brown her clips on montel montell william show been going viral again it's some of the greatest tv that we've ever had maul show me that shit off mike i have not laughed like that in quite some time so at the end of the end of the end of the end of end of like the Montel Williams shows, Montel used to go around, you know, the audience and anybody that had a question for Sylvia, they would stand up and ask. So one lady stood up, she was like, yeah, you know, my dad, you know, he disappeared 20 years ago and we never, he drowned. Thank you. She's like, and the ladies are standing there, she was like, yeah, he drowned. She's like, okay, thank you. She just sits down. I'm like, we not going to check this. How you just
Starting point is 00:53:04 Take it, Sylvie. But that's what's so funny about the monsoonage is they asked the question she has an immediate answer and no one has a follow-up question. Yeah. They just say, thank you. They just taking it. One lady stood up and was like, you know, I lost my parents. I was really young and I never knew who my biological dad. You don't want to know.
Starting point is 00:53:21 Okay, but you don't want to know. Thank you. You don't want to know who. You don't want to know. I'm like, and the lady just sits down and starts crying like, thank you. I'm like, what? The funniest one. This was on TV, like.
Starting point is 00:53:34 during the day. I'm like, yo, nobody's going fact-checking to see what turned out to be real or not? One girl hadn't seen her dad was like, yo, he went on the trip, never came home.
Starting point is 00:53:45 We just want to know what she did. He's alive in Florida. Yo. Then they asked, does that make any sense? And she went, no. Does that make any sense? She was like, no, but thank you. Yo, I have follow-up question.
Starting point is 00:53:57 Yeah. What do you mean my dad that I haven't seen or heard from in 20 years is alive and well in Florida? Like, how are you just throwing that on me? And then it's like move on to the next person that has a question. It's like, yo, that is some of the most insane shit. And I just want to know how many people actually, you know, that she was, you know, giving these answers to how many people really ever found out if that was real or not,
Starting point is 00:54:20 like what she was saying? Because, I mean, she, you know, she's one of the greatest mediums that's ever we probably ever, you know, seen or heard of. But I just want to know how many people from the Montel, Montel Williams shows that, you know, really like checked out and was like no no she she called that one right because that's insane so somebody to stand up and be like yo we know we never see my debt he drowned because then how do you find out like where did he drown out like do we go look for the body in that water like what he like he just drowned like he drowned and it's like yeah like she doesn't have no it's like
Starting point is 00:54:52 this stone cold no emotion she's just giving you direct answers and like all right next question that was good tv yeah insane times i had a medium snitch on me before what you mean my mom didn't know about a tattoo and a medium snitched for real and the medium is right that's crazy yeah I was I was pissed I was like you were younger
Starting point is 00:55:14 this some rat shit yeah but I feel but how did that even come she just was asking I mean I've told I think I've told the story on this pod before yeah like when my cousin passed my mother and aunt went to
Starting point is 00:55:26 fucking every last one you could think of like would come home fucking just crying even more they never got picked anything. Then my cousin's husband's sister went to one in Long Island and she got picked and that medium was right about everything. And the only missing piece was like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:55:45 and there was like, somebody has a rose tattoo with her name in it. And I was like, oh, fuck. Hey, my mom started grabbing my shirt. And sure enough, there's a rose tattoo with Melissa's name. Oh, my. I was like, yo, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:56:00 That is scary. They was like, that's the only thing we couldn't figure out of everything that the medium said. I was like, well, they were adding a thousand. Yeah, that's scary. I don't want to know. I'm not asking no questions. The creepiest shit was the medium was telling my cousin's husband's sister that when he found out that she had passed, he went upstairs and was like throwing shoes, like, you know, just upset or whatever. Which he never sold anybody.
Starting point is 00:56:28 Down to the conversations he was having the medium new. and said to his sister that Missy was sitting on the bed watching him do that. That would have freaked me out. And he didn't tell anybody about exactly what happened in that room, what he said, what he did,
Starting point is 00:56:42 and the medium knew everything was like, yeah, your wife was sitting on the bed watching you do that, which was fucking nuts. See, I don't want to, don't tell me nothing like that, because now I got to move. From your wife?
Starting point is 00:56:54 Yeah, yeah, now I got to move. We're getting out of here. I can't go back to the crib. You just told me my wife was sitting on the bed when I was doing that. I'm supposed to go back in that same house and just be chilling and like beat off. Yeah, that's not happening.
Starting point is 00:57:05 Now that's weird. Have y'all ever thought about that? Like, that was a big thing like when I was like younger and like, you know, growing up and obviously I was grown but still like growing up and discovering yourself. I felt like I always felt like my ancestors like watching yourself. That was a very beautiful way to put it. Yeah. How many rub.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Getting in touch with yourself. Yeah. How many rubs does it take? I was like, yo like my grandparents is probably sitting up. here like watch it because my mother's like they're watching over here watching over you I'm like like this schizza just look at it just like that she used to bother me so bad it would bother me so bad that I wouldn't be able to finish I would like I would just stop and just go do something though through airs no we're on the same page like with my Catholic guilt when I was like a Catholic
Starting point is 00:57:48 when I was a kid like you know any funeral anything they'd be like oh they're watching over you no matter what and like going through puberty I'd be like yeah they're watching all the time because like now I feel really fucking weird about this That's fucking creepy Mo that shit ain't Especially like when you younger Like What?
Starting point is 00:58:09 I mean Do y'all think they watch it? I don't like And somebody's like watching them and that shut I ain't not watching me Man get the fuck out of it With that shit with
Starting point is 00:58:16 But it's just funny knowing Like So that's like Eddie we have pictures Of your loved ones in the house Like Yeah I had You turn them over
Starting point is 00:58:22 Yeah My grandfather's like You know the little Obituary cards I had to flip that Now I got the Bible Must have Like
Starting point is 00:58:28 You don't remember Your mother come home Like yo why everything You don't remember that scene in a 40-year-old virgin when he tries to beat off for the first time and he turns all his family photos around? That is fucking hilarious. Yeah, my mind just don't, I don't know. But this is funny because I understand how people would think about that. For sure.
Starting point is 00:58:47 Yeah. I mean, it even crossed my mind once the medium said all that stuff because I was like 17 maybe when that happened. Yeah, 16 or 17 because I already had fucking tattoos like a degenerate. I was like, damn, I wonder what Missy's seen. Yeah I had done some nasty shit I had this big ass
Starting point is 00:59:08 I had this big ass Jordan post on my wall when I was younger Every time I look up Mike jumping from the free throw line I'm just rubbing one out I'm like oh this is crazy I'm just saying the post With the same face
Starting point is 00:59:17 Yeah I'm like Mike got to be disgusting Again Again Again get out the house Like stop abusing yourself Get out Your dick needs a break Go to the park
Starting point is 00:59:27 Try to go to put that in a woman at least. Oh, man, that's great. Childhood is sick. I love it. And I'm like, if you were dead and had the ability to like see everything, I don't know if my family would have been that interesting if you had that ability. Like, I feel like my, all of my ancestors would go tune into more compelling shit.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Yeah. Like the Gaza is real thing. I feel like they probably just look at that instead of like me walking down, you know, Mott Street. Yeah, like, if I die and I'm like going to just check on the homies and one of the homies is beating off, I got to leave. Like, I can't stay here. I got to caught him at a bad time. But what if he choking himself while he doing? You don't want him to die from erotic asphyxiation. Wait, what? He's choking. Like a spotter? He's choking himself while masturbating.
Starting point is 01:00:15 Yeah. You know, if I'm a ghost and I walk in my homie crib and he's choking himself while masturbate, I'm going to find a way to tell everybody. Yo. Everybody has to know, yo, this nigga be choking himself. He's a fucking weirdo. Choking yourself while you masturbating? That's not, that is a kink. We don't kink shame. We do. We can, no, and we should.
Starting point is 01:00:34 Choking yourself. Demaris, if you walked in on one of your home girls and she's choking herself while she got her vibrating on her, you're not going to be like, yo, bitch, what are you doing? I would never, I would not judge her at all. Get the fuck out of here, man. That's not real. That's what do you mean? That's not real.
Starting point is 01:00:51 That's a very like common kink. Erotic asphyxiation is how a lot of people die. But doing that with somebody. I tell you said that's how a lot of people. die. People die from erotic is fiction. Yo, that's like, all right, whatever. Let's look up the stats. Yeah. Didn't homie from the actor, the kung fu dude? Didn't he die? Why are you due to Kung Fu movie? Yeah. My man, what's my man name?
Starting point is 01:01:12 No, not Bruce. We didn't die from gently. No, what's the- Jack. Jackie Chan. What's the guy's name? Jackie Chan is a lie, bro. You know the guy, Peach. He had, no, he had the big show on him. Chuck Norris is dead? I felt like I didn't know he was Asian. David Carradine? David Caron. He died from a, uh, he died from a, uh, asphyxiation. I think erotic. Erotic asphyxiation.
Starting point is 01:01:33 All right, that means by yourself or like with a partner? Like that's a cool way to go out. His said auto erotic, which means he was choking himself. Fail. You know how crazy. Yo, if one of y'all choke yourself to death while you're masturbating, just know that I got to stay outside the funeral home because I'm going to be laughing too much. I'm like, yo, this niggis is crazy.
Starting point is 01:01:52 He in that casket because he choked itself while he was masturbated. If I beat off and end of like DeAngelo from the wire, Just keep that shit to yourself. Yeah, like, what is that? Say I died of natural causes. Like, I get us a kink, but that should be like with a partner. So if it seems like, oh, shit, you really can't breathe the partner. I would rather you say that I hung myself.
Starting point is 01:02:13 You're supposed to. No, I'm dead. Well, for me, that would never work. That would never pass. They would be like, no, no, we need another autopsy. Mall would not do that. My family ain't going for it. Nah, they ain't going for it.
Starting point is 01:02:26 So I think where a lot of people fuck up is they like, they, like, they, make it up. They don't do it manually with their like... They use a sailor not? They use something, yeah. A sailor not is crazy. They use a bowling. Oh, my bad, baby.
Starting point is 01:02:41 I ain't need it. All right, got to get your shit off. I'm sorry. Nah, but people just, you know, they take it too far. Like, just choke yourself, like, with your hand. Like, don't fuck around and, like, tie a belt around you. That is so crazy to me. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:02:53 Yeah, I was, you know, I've told you guys that, like, I prefer a storyline in my, my porn. Yeah. So I was watching an episode. And they were... Which season was it? They were ghost hunters, this couple. And they went into like the haunted room. And they were like, we always come to these haunted place and nothing ever happens.
Starting point is 01:03:15 And then she's like, but if a ghost comes and eats my pussy, I wouldn't mind it. And he was like, yeah. I was like, that's a red flag. If your girl comes to you and says, if a ghost eats my pussy, I'd be in, like, you should get out of that room. That's the ghost. I'm not watching. My home girl said that she. like getting head in a complete darkness because it felt like a ghost eating her pussy.
Starting point is 01:03:36 Do we have voicemail? It intensifies the, um, I've been blindfolding it intensifies the feeling. Yeah, it intensifies the feeling. It does. Nah, I'm just not, I don't know, man. But like getting, all right, getting rid of vision is like as far as I'll go. You cutting off my windpipe and oxygen, no, I'm not there yet. Like, I don't know if that happens later in life, but I'm just, I'm not.
Starting point is 01:03:57 Like, we talked about it. Like, when she go under the blanket to give you head and you can't see her, That's some of the best heads. And she just pop up, boom. Yeah. Because I feel like girls is like, they're not afraid to get like disgusting when you can't see them. Like they don't care about, you know what I'm saying? It's like, they get under that blanket.
Starting point is 01:04:11 You can't see that. They start going crazy. Yeah. But like blindfold. I don't know if I want that. I don't know. I like to get pussy with the lights on. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:19 Yo, you know how fucking embarrassing they got to be to have your family member find you in the house bust out in the fucking door with the police and you got to rope around your neck, dick in hand. Oh, my dad. That's so embarrassing. That's so fucking embarrassed I would have to ask my mom I can't remember Wild segue No no
Starting point is 01:04:38 I can't remember I gotta ask my mom But I think when They found my uncle dead I think porn was playing on his TV And for my uncle that That would make sense for him Like it's like
Starting point is 01:04:48 That's how you went out How long was the DVD Huh How long was the DVD Not saying it was playing It probably was on Yeah like but it was on Like I think that's
Starting point is 01:04:57 If I remember correct Because I didn't go inside I didn't want to see him You know his body you know, his body in the bed. But I think they was saying that, like I think I heard the police saying that. That's how I want to go out.
Starting point is 01:05:08 Watching porn? I want to go out making porn. I don't want to watch it. Hey, clock it. This nigga said Kevin Samuels. Peach is. I mean, he did go out the way I think he wanted to go like. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:20 With the young harlot. Platinum. But I mean, all right. Is the girl supposed to call 911 right away? Or like, how does that go? Like, are you having a heart attack when you're hitting it from the back? Yeah, like, if you having sex with a girl- Give me your ideal death.
Starting point is 01:05:37 If you having sex with a girl and she dies while y'all having sex, you're not going to, first thing, you're not calling the police? Of course, and I'm going to be terrified that this is going to look like I did something. I'd be fucking like. Rory would look so guilt. They don't think Rory did something just because he's just- Yeah, you ever look anxious? When you're not guilty that you seem guilty as fuck?
Starting point is 01:05:54 Like the moment the cops came up, you know, I did not fucking kill her. I told you. I told you. I don't be me. Polis going to be like, yeah, he's walking too hard. Like his steps. like he's just walking too hard. I prefer that reaction over.
Starting point is 01:06:05 What's a homie that killed his wife and two kids because he just wanted to fuck another girl? Oh yeah, that was crazy. And he just walking around, he walking around his house like he misplaced his keys. Like, I don't know where she could have went. Yeah. But that's what the cops said.
Starting point is 01:06:19 They said something was like off immediately. Like his kind of, that was the one that threw them down a well or something like that. His kids, yeah. Which was like this one thing was alive. Like that's what was, that motherfucker. is getting his butthole raped every day. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:06:33 Cracked like crows? I hope every day he's getting cracked. Get cracked. He should be getting cracked. Why he can't just get beat up? Why are y'all put him rape on him? He should pain. You should put him through the worst.
Starting point is 01:06:44 He should bleed from his asshole. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah. I'm on that side. Killing your wife and throwing your two daughters in a fucking well alive. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 01:06:52 Yeah, no. I mean, I would. You should be sodomized every day. Okay. So, okay. I want people who committed sex. sex crimes to deal with sexual repercussions. People who crumet it violent crimes, I want them to deal with violent repercussions.
Starting point is 01:07:06 Like, he didn't rape anybody. I don't want him. Anal rape is pretty violent. I've never seen it. But I'm just guessing. I've never been toe to toe with it. I've never been, never stared at it. But I'm pretty sure.
Starting point is 01:07:16 The way you approach anxiety. Yeah. I've never done that way with it. Yeah. Yeah. He should definitely be getting all of that. Fuck him, though. Piece of shit.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Yeah. I don't think we should start making rules for somebody that does that. I think anything goes. Yeah. Why are we paying taxes dollars to feed him every day? Like, fuck him. I would pay tax dollars to make sure every day is hell for him. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:37 Let's keep him alive. Absolutely. I would definitely do that. And we need updates for that type of shit. Like, how is he living? Yeah, like, I want a live stream of his cell and just every day somebody going in there. Like, they're not even gay, but it's like him, all right. For him, I'll make an exception.
Starting point is 01:07:53 Yeah, absolutely. How do we get down this path? David Caronie. That's how we got here. Choking yourself to death. He was by himself or he was with smoke? No, he's by himself. He had tied a rope around his penis too
Starting point is 01:08:05 to constrict blood flow. So he just wanted no bluff hole in his brain on his dick, like no blood flow at all. Yeah, that's what like. You know what? I don't want to know what that feels like. Like that has to, if you're doing that, it has to be like the most euphoric orgasm.
Starting point is 01:08:21 It's like, it's like, it has to. It's like the heroin of orgasms. I don't even want to know what that feels. Choking yourself? They say. Heroin of orgasms. They say. you say? They say, I say, I don't know. Okay. But I'm just reporting to you what the AI generator
Starting point is 01:08:35 told me. Oh, cool. Yeah. That's what you typed in the AI. Yeah. The AI. That's what you asked. Is it like the heroin of sex? You know, asking a machine what something feels like? It's crazy. I got to stop using chat, GPD, because it's burning down the earth and it's making me feel bad. It's burning down the earth? Yeah, it's like bad. It's causing somebody was like, y'all wondering why it's 80 degrees of October because y'all keep asking chat GBT for recipes yeah fucking get a cookbook it's burning down the earth
Starting point is 01:09:07 yeah I feel like isn't Microsoft just like buy in Wisconsin so they could put their fucking servers there to keep that shit moving that wouldn't surprise me yeah man we're burning down trees just so people can put MLK in a fucking WWE ring that's what we're doing with our servers like we're ruining the environment just so we can do the cocaine Olympics
Starting point is 01:09:26 I hate seeing the videos where people have like one of the last photos with their loved ones and their loved ones just flies away and they turn around and look up like bro those things we got to stop that's just too much that's like all right man that's like almost as bad as having a car book cut out of your loved one at the repass yeah like let's go back to airbrush t-shirt what we doing man like it's enough or just stop even like I don't want to get any politics shit, but that video of Charlie Kirk sitting in that chair and then standing up and walking to the fucking steps of heaven was like, dude, what are we doing right now? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:07 Like, this is fucking insane. It's weird. It was way past weird at this point. Yeah. Burning down our environment and our forest for bullshit, honestly. It did numbers in my, you know, North Jersey Irish show. Oh, yeah. That actually made everyone feel, that was a closure for everyone.
Starting point is 01:10:22 I'm like, he's now, he's walking with God now. is this real? They love asking that. Old a relative? Like, is this real? For sure. A 60-year-old Irish man from North Jersey would definitely be like, wow, I didn't even know. They found the portal to heaven.
Starting point is 01:10:38 Yeah. A priest didn't tell me about this. Oh, my gosh. But you've got to think of like the old people now with the AI. Already the world was insane to them. Like, they really opened their computer or phone every day and just have to guess for real. have to guess them. No, it's, it's bad. Can you imagine a 60-year-old man? Yeah, it's bad, because sometimes I'm not even sure what I'm like. You have to question everything now on social media. Like,
Starting point is 01:11:03 is this real or not? Everything has to be questioned because a lot of these AI videos is, I've sent reels to people all the time and they're like, yo, you know that's fake. I'm like, word? Like some of them you cannot tell it all. Yeah, it has to be on TMZ. There you go. Unless Harvey sends it to the chat, I don't know if I'm really like following. I'm not, I'm not rolling with it. This episode is sponsored by Roe. Maul, the weather is changing. It's time to get up on some cheeks, whatever type of cheeks you like. Row is right there.
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Starting point is 01:14:41 I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clever Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, journey from basketball to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.
Starting point is 01:15:01 This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.
Starting point is 01:15:41 Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down,
Starting point is 01:16:01 and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you're not. No, we don't have plenty. But just so you know. I mean, at this point,
Starting point is 01:16:17 Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?
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Starting point is 01:20:22 is that how you want to answer responsible oh no i i i i mean I don't really care, which is kind of funny, but of course, any time, whether it be the report of the judge dismissing the defamation case or even I forgot what the other big announcement was that video of me speaking about the case maybe 30 minutes after just the announcement came out. Like I was just speculating of what we knew at that time, which was nothing. Right. And that video, they have positioned like I said it yesterday. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:01 I had no information like anyone else. We were all speculating. I was like, hmm, I don't know what the case is. At this point, defamation wasn't even in the case. I was like, oh, this could be interesting. They have ran that clip to the ground. I enjoyed it though. Like, it actually makes me laugh not by the people that like are really reacting to it.
Starting point is 01:21:23 Like, yeah, man, you had this one wrong. that said that, it's like the people that are like, this is why he should die. Those are my favorite. The ones that they get there. Like, somebody should die behind all of this, yeah. And then they also just go like after that, like, yeah, and his co-host should commit suicide. And it's like, because he likes a rapper that you don't. It's absolutely.
Starting point is 01:21:49 I don't know. It's weird. I mean, I'm not here to like really defend any of my people. position, even though I said from Rip that I don't care if Drake is doing this for artists. It's weird that you could have a video and they will remix exactly what you said in the video to a complete, like, I'm like, wait, you're commenting under a video with a quote. The videos are, I didn't say that. I did not care if Drake was doing this for himself or for other artists.
Starting point is 01:22:17 I never said he was. I just thought it could be helpful if UMG had to open their books and show shit. Yeah. That was about it. It then turned into this old defamation and everything else. I just don't like care that much now. About the case or? Yeah, because I cared about it more when I had the idea of, oh, this could lead to UMG having to reveal certain things. Like it happens in cases, whatever deposition is happening. I was curious. I didn't care what Drake's intentions were. They could be just for him or just for other artists. I didn't care.
Starting point is 01:22:53 I just thought it would be cool if we finally made them open up. Right. And reveal some shit. Other than that, I mean, cool. Yeah. A lot of my, you know, my phone went crazy when the news. Was we here, Peach? I had just left, so I think y'all was still here.
Starting point is 01:23:08 Yeah, me and Pete was here. My phone started going crazy. But it was just, it was funny. It's funny to see people's reaction. And again, people still not understanding what, the case was about. As someone that thought I understood it, now I actually don't.
Starting point is 01:23:26 Like, because I know he was, from my understanding, initially suing for UMG promoting, pushing, and using bots about a song that was defaming him. Then the result was, all right, the case is dismissed because there's no defamation. I didn't know, I didn't even think he was suing for that.
Starting point is 01:23:47 So now I'm just lost. So that's why I say you guys win, like, k.k.bite, the whole world. Y'all win. I'm sorry. I'm an K dot K dot K by. I'm sorry. I was wrong. I have no idea what the fuck is going on. Clearly the paperwork that I initially read is not even where the case ended up. Because I thought he was suing UMG for them promoting a song that defamed him. Because when I agreed with the judge, because I initially came in here when you and I would argue, where I'd be like, do you really think anybody actually sits and thinks that Drake is a fucking pedophile. It's just a battle. Like, no one is really, really walking around thinking that.
Starting point is 01:24:23 I agreed with what the judge said. Like, this is just a battle back. No one really thinks that. But I didn't think that was the lawsuit. I thought it was illegally promoting outside of the industry standard a song that was defaming him. And now how the judge made it sound, it was like, all right, yeah, he said mean things about you, but you said mean things do. What was the words, non-actionable? But I agree with what the judge said. Like I said, wrap that.
Starting point is 01:24:52 I just didn't think that was what the case was. No, the lawsuit. The main thing in the case was the defamation and the false statements. That's why there were things brought up in the lawsuit about like how it affected like Drake's family. Like that's why you know shit like that. It's the defamation lawsuit. But if you can't, whether they were on top of falsely or amplifying the defamation, it was mainly about defamation. But if you can't prove the defamation, then the amplification.
Starting point is 01:25:16 then the amplifying of it doesn't mean anything. Fair. So that's where it was. I mean, at this point, I also want to like give flowers to the OVO stands for sure. Because the way they flipped it, I thought the K-Bots were going to be the ones that were going to be fucking celebrating. Drake may have some of the most positive fans I've ever seen in my life. They say, yeah, y'all didn't even understand Drake's angle. The judge just proved that he's not a pedophile.
Starting point is 01:25:46 That was his case the whole time. I said, all right, man. Wait, what? They said the fact that the judge dismissed it means the judge is like, you're not a pedophile, so there's no defamation here. And they were like, well, that was his plan the whole time. Oh, no. Well, that's stupid because the defamation would be if.
Starting point is 01:26:07 I'm not saying this is logic. Yeah, I'm just telling you what I was reading. I'm just telling you what I was reading. Makes no sense. But yes, I had a bunch of people hit me of, all right. what y'all going to do on the episode? I was like, I don't know what, what do you want from us? Do you want me to bow down and apologize?
Starting point is 01:26:24 Well, apologize for, I mean, I don't know what people are thinking because I haven't really talked to many people about this, but it's not. I mean, the people have to know that his lawyer, his team, they're going to appeal us and take this to another level. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if people know that. Like, this is not, this is not over with it. I mean, shit the shitty, should we just let it go? No, see, no.
Starting point is 01:26:48 At this point? No. What, would you? If you had, if you and your team, your lawyers had things in your possession that prove what you're saying is correct. But why wouldn't, and I'm not saying that it depends the judge, and that's why the appeal process exists. It's all, yeah. Didn't they reveal everything? Because that was also something I saw on the OVO stand side of like, nah, he purposely was trying to lose the first one so he could reveal more.
Starting point is 01:27:12 And I was like, well, why wouldn't he just? Yeah, no, I'm not just giving. I'm not speaking to shit. I'm speaking to fact-go- shit, like real things. Like, I don't, this is not over with. I don't, I know people here, things getting dismissed, but, like, there's a whole another level that I believe this is getting ready to go to it. I don't think this is, it's definitely not over here.
Starting point is 01:27:30 Yeah, I mean, I see these side of, of, even people just being objective and aren't on this, like, weird fucking divider stand line of, like, hey, Drake, the more you do this, the more, like you're adding more of like this mystique and you're making not like us the greatest battle record of all time the more you do things post the battle. Like you're putting more allure to it. Like I'm sure not like us because of this announcement made chart this week.
Starting point is 01:27:59 Just because of the announcement. Like you're adding more allure to what this battle was with these moves. And the appeal is just going to continue that. But I also know that Drake doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. I see both sides. Yeah, but that's the side that people.
Starting point is 01:28:14 See what you just said? A lot of people don't think or speak to that. I know he doesn't care. One, when you don't care, two, when you know what you know and you know what's going on because none of us knows Drake's business with his label. We don't know his, you know, his negotiation, what he was going through with the label at the time. None of us know the specifics of that.
Starting point is 01:28:32 But when you know and your lawyers know exactly what happened and what went on, when you say, just let it go. no somebody of his calum and his level is not going to just let that go because they know what we all do not know they have information that none of us have okay but then i guess i would ask if you're drake are you looking at good lawyers lose cases i'm not saying that doesn't happen if you have all this stuff that we don't know why did you go with that approach of the defamation lane and the judge was clearly like nah this is a rap battle. No one actually believed this.
Starting point is 01:29:11 You also said in one of the songs to call you a pedophile, like, is this Drake's lawyers making a grave mistake in this entire thing? Like, even going in that approach of going the defamation route because clearly the judge was like,
Starting point is 01:29:27 this is a rat battle. This is not a negotiation for your deal with the universal. I think that, like they said, they should have revealed the stuff that we don't know. Yeah, the whole, yeah, the information that, like, people keep there's information that the general public doesn't know.
Starting point is 01:29:44 Well, I would assume that if there's information that's pertinent to hit this ruling or the lawsuit, it should be in the paperwork. And we all have the paperwork. So that's why it's like, what is this, this magic eight ball information? Well, how many days ago did they ask for the discovery? It wasn't, it was what, maybe two weeks ago? Maybe. October 9th, 2020. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:30:05 Yeah. Let me say. Push for. redacted. Because even like there wasn't that long ago. You know, even not even the theories, but of the third party that they claimed was hired
Starting point is 01:30:17 to bot, not like us that worked with the Universal and worked with apparently PG-Lang, like all of like, where is all that stuff? Like at this point now it just feels like it's just like Twitter rumors. Because I, we knew that to be true, but that's not like
Starting point is 01:30:33 Kendrick's not the only person to ever use a third party person to boost some shit. Every artist does. But none of that even like came up in the, I know they were trying to serve papers to that guy and like they couldn't find them. And I just feel like everything just fell apart.
Starting point is 01:30:48 And the judge was just like, it's a rat battle, bro. Yeah. So I, yeah, this is not how I saw this going because I thought there was way more information. I thought this was going to be like a four year long fucking trial. He got partial discovery was granted around the end of June,
Starting point is 01:31:04 top of August. limited discovery on certain communications. Limited discovery on certain communications. Yeah, so I don't believe that this case is over. I don't believe that Drake and his team and his lawyers are letting us go. I do think that this is going to another level. And again, that speaks to him, his team, having things. And, you know, again, we don't know the business side of it,
Starting point is 01:31:32 what, you know, Universal did. We do know that he's a top priority at Universal. He is in the middle of renegotiation. I don't know where that stands today. I don't know if he's even contemplating, you know, any type of negotiation with Universal. But I do know that Universal knows or they know. You know, the Internet can say, oh, yeah, told you he lost it. Ask Universal if they think this is over.
Starting point is 01:31:55 Like, just ask somebody at Universal if they think that this case is over. Well, I think his, I think Drake's lawyers have already talked about, like, obviously saying that we'll file an appeal. So yeah, but that's what I'm saying. So, you know, the blogs and, you know, content creators can react and make videos. Oh, all of y'all stupid, look stupid. It's like, okay. I mean, but this is not over. Like, yes, this judge dismissed it and, you know, dismissed the case in that court. But this is now going to another level. And that only speaks to, again, what I'm looking at. He obviously knows something. His team knows something. He has great lawyers. You don't become the artist that he is without having. the right people around you, the right people in your corner. And, you know, it's a lot going on. But, you know, yeah, it got dismissed in that court. But again, this is far from over. We haven't heard the last of this lawsuit with Drake versus UMG.
Starting point is 01:32:49 Pige, let's start up the internet. Put the rocky theme behind everything more just a maybe eye of the tiger. Yeah, put something behind. Eye to the tiger. It's funny. No, it's just, but honestly, like you got to, I mean, because we just know how things go. like people hear dismiss and they think that's it we'll never hear about this again it's over i mean people say yo drake lost the black way and the white way it was funny no it's half forward but but in
Starting point is 01:33:13 having a real conversation after we laugh yeah do people think that this is actually over with i think i think people just uh like to just make jokes yeah i think that too i also think people away from the jokes especially on twitter even drake at his peak like love to just shit on drink no no no like us to spend that goes wrong that goes what I'm saying. We know that. I think most people outside of that, that weird section of Twitter, most people just want to get some jokes
Starting point is 01:33:41 off and move on with their life. Like, they don't care that much. That's really... Right, but the person that does care is obviously not done with this case. Before we get to voicemails, I will say as somebody that's never been in Drake's position, it's way broker, has no idea what it's like to be
Starting point is 01:33:57 him. I will give my Monday morning quarterback advice there has to be a red button on Iceman, or you're going to look kind of nuts. Because we thought the red button was coming with Family Matters, which I think was an incredible disc record. But the day free kid thing was not a red button
Starting point is 01:34:14 that made all of us go, holy shit. Then we thought, all right, maybe the red button is everything he's going to reveal in this case with UMG. Now that that has been dismissed, of course, there'll be an appeal. At this point, get into Mean Girls and just air out your burn book, bro.
Starting point is 01:34:29 Like, there's got to be a red button on Iceman now. We have yet to see a real red button, in my opinion, when Drake has referred to this red button since scary hours three or whatever it was. There's got to be a red button on Iceman. You got to say some shit that makes us go, oh, my fucking God. Because there wasn't much revealed in that case the way I thought it would have been. And the day free shit wasn't that crazy. It didn't land the way I think he thought it was going to land, which is cool. But there's got to be a red button, though.
Starting point is 01:34:56 Like, where's the red button? Don't listen to Rory. Go away for a while and let them people forget about a red button. button about this fucking lawsuit because everybody wants to move on from everything. Wait, wait, wait. You think he's going to, he's running around with fucking Pinocchio in Amsterdam. Like, this is not going away. No, I'm not saying what I think he's going to do. You're Monday morning quarterback and I'm doing the same. This is what you should do. No. Go away and come back with some fire music. Just go away.
Starting point is 01:35:22 What's that shit at a point in no return when you're in the helicopter and be like, yeah, we have enough fuel. Like we've already reached where we've committed. We have committed to this. We can't go back. Yeah. Point of no return here. No, he's already, no, he can't disappear. I think we get Iceman this year, in my opinion, but like he did the streams. And I let's triple down. As, as Marlow said, do it or don't. But I got shit to do. So do it. I'll just smile. No, I'm, sit here and just So, Maul, if he loses the appeal, then what's your stance if he loses the appeal? My stance as far as what? As far, because you're saying like, this is not over, this is over. So
Starting point is 01:35:59 this is not over. When do you think it to be over? Like, if he lose, Loses the appeal. Is it over then? I think it's over when Drake says it's over. Again, I don't, I don't know. I don't have the information of, you know, his team, his lawyers. I don't have that information. But I do now.
Starting point is 01:36:14 I'm just looking at it. And if somebody is standing on business versus UMG the way he is, I think it's safe to say he has information none of us has. Like, you don't just stand on that. It's not just, you don't just stand on business if you feel like there's nothing to stand on. He's standing where he's standing for a reason. And you think the information that he has has to do with maybe possible communications between whatever whatever he's not, he hasn't been able to access in full discovery. You think that that is the information that he has. I think that he has information where his lawyers are not backing down.
Starting point is 01:36:49 Now, again, this is UMG. So first of all, for an artist to be in this position to even have this type of moment where UMG speaks volumes. Like, this is not, you know, this is universal music group we're talking about. This is big in just the fact of who's in court here. But when you see an artist of Drake's caliber standing on what he's standing on, I mean, again, people like to say this has nothing to do with the Kendrick Lamar shit. Kendrick Lamar is not going to court here. This has everything to do with the business side and what the moves and the tactics that
Starting point is 01:37:21 Universal pull behind the scenes to kind of undermine their top artists in the middle of what is a renegotiation. So you're trying to devalue my mind. brand and then trying to renegotiate because y'all know that i know when i'm worth i know how much money i've generated for you mj over the last 15 years and y'all know what i'm getting ready to ask for so it would behoove them to kind of like you let's kind of like send a missile with this guy so we can kind of like put him in a addition where he has to take what we offer and if again this is just me guessing but looking at it i don't see nobody standing on business or standing on what they standing on like Drake is doing, if they feel like there's nothing to stand on. Like, this is
Starting point is 01:38:01 just some shit he's pulling out of the sky. His team and his lawyers, he's in a, he is who he is because he has made the right moves throughout his career. He has the right people in his corner. He has the legal team. He has all these things aligned that make him one of the most successful artists of all time. So yeah, he's in, he's in battle with his court, I mean, against his record label in court. Obviously, there's relationships. You know, we now got to get. You know, we now got to get into who may know who at what courthouse and things like that that favors may be called in. We don't know. So that was where I originally thought you were going to go with this argument.
Starting point is 01:38:35 But I mean, is it not a thought? Is it not a- With what you're saying like, all right, yeah, if he has all this information, why wasn't it revealed, like it should have been put in this case if he has some stuff that none of us know his lawyers have like, I agree. I don't think he is wrong about how he viewed that. I'm sure, yes, UMG did that to Drake in negotiations. We've been talking about this for God knows how long.
Starting point is 01:38:58 But if he has all this info we don't know about why the fuck didn't he say it in the first case? Like where is all that stuff? I don't know everything that his lawyers has presented. I don't know how far they've gotten in it. All I know is if you see somebody adamant as Drake is right now, there's a reason. If he felt like this is all like, I lost,
Starting point is 01:39:18 then I'm sure he would bow out. If he's not bowing out, you can't be like, nah, bow out, bow out, you lost, back. There's a reason. he's not. I'm just telling people to speak to that part. Like, yo, damn, like, I ain't going to lie. Son's standing on business, though. Like, he's not just going away. There's a reason for that. I'm standing on it. Well, I've seen some of the rhetoric. I agree with you're saying. I've seen some of the rhetoric that he might not, he might not be backing down
Starting point is 01:39:45 because it then it's an ego thing, right? Like, I have to prove that something was done. If I don't prove that something was done and I just lost just because I lost, like, I don't like that. Like, has to be done about this. Like that's what I'm staying in our business. Like that's something So you think that he's not what I think. I am provided narratives of what other people have. So you're saying other people may think that he's not backing down because he doesn't want to bow out or to save face basically. Yes. You know, I don't think this is that. I don't, I don't think this is that. I think this is purely like, nah, no, no, y'all got to pay for what y'all did. Like, I know what y'all did and y'all you know what y'all did. So y'all got to pay for that. I think that is something that regardless of where you
Starting point is 01:40:24 stand on the battle or who you like more, I think that there's something that everybody has to look at like, damn, what he's doing is that takes a lot. Like, this ain't no, this is universal music. Like, this is, you know what I'm saying? So for artists to be in this type of situation with a company as big as universal, you got to salute that artist. Like, because a lot of people, first of all, can't even, don't even have the levers to do that, to do what he's doing. So I'll, I'll ask you more questions and then we'll move on to voicemail. if you are UMG right and this is May of 2024 what do you think is the correct way to go about Kendrick wanting to release this song that doesn't end up with you being sued in the future
Starting point is 01:41:08 what do I think is the best way the universal goes if that for what do you think universal should have done that would have not made them end up sued what could what way could they have handled Kendrick coming with this song and release that? seen this song. Same way they did. Is it sample free? Have a blast. And I guess that's what I'm asking. Like, how do you avoid this lawsuit? Do you go to Kendrick Lamar and say, you call Drake a pedophile in this song? You can't put it out. I guess that's what I'm asking. Again, because I'm not sure everything, again, the Universal did, but I would definitely make sure that we're not funding this song that is calling our top artists.
Starting point is 01:41:51 something that we believe he's not, something that may hurt our top priority at our label. I wouldn't get behind it and fund it and try to amplify that message. If it's a battle, it's a battle. We can't stop an artist from saying something about another artist. But I wouldn't then use the company that this artist has basically, you know, carried the last however many years and fund that type of message. I wouldn't jump behind it and promote that and put all of the entire building behind that message. If I'm the CEO of that label, I wouldn't do that.
Starting point is 01:42:23 Just because it's a level of, I think, loyalty that we owe this artist. Like, he's kept, I mean, he's the biggest artist, one of the biggest artists in the world. Like, you know, that's not a surprise to anybody. Like, you owe him some type of, he's generated billions of dollars for this company. Okay, so, and that's where that's, I guess that's the question I have for you, because you're mentioning loyalty from a company that, as you just described, this is, UMG, this is universal music group. Loyalty. No one is bigger than
Starting point is 01:42:54 a program. Are you see what I'm saying? Like, this is UMG. And respect to everything that Drake has done for UMG, he's priceless to them, right? But at the same time, this is a company, this is like, this isn't a person, this is a fucking entity. And I also think UMG is like, what, 3% of the revenue of Universal? Yeah. Like UMG music? Yeah. Like 3%.
Starting point is 01:43:17 Yeah, it's not that much. Yeah, their bottom line. like, yeah, of course, Taylor and Drake are that. So that's what I'm, I guess what I'm saying is as a, like, because a big company is broken down into little rooms, right? So the CEO of UMG did not, probably did not make the decision to put money behind a Kendrick Lamar Bob. You think the CEO made that decision? I think, uh, somebody, if it wasn't him, somebody that works from him, did.
Starting point is 01:43:46 I think Sir Lucian Grange is capable of anything. Yes. Yes. But I just feel I said it. I didn't say bad or good. I just think he's capable of anything. I do too.
Starting point is 01:43:57 So what I'm saying is he was knighted. If not like us was not was a song that was taken off by Kendrick Lamar taking off like it was right when it was released and it was not a Drake dis
Starting point is 01:44:08 money would have gotten put behind it. I also don't think there was a huge plot. I think they capitalized on a moment that worked out conveniently for the timing that was the negotiation with Drake. It's a lot of convenience. isn't there. I mean, there's the comedian stores.
Starting point is 01:44:23 There's a lot of convenience. I really do think Kendrick, like, recorded not like us, and I'm sure somebody on his team probably uploaded that shit themselves. Like, I don't think he recorded it in that week and sat with Lucian like, let's get him out of here. Like, I think
Starting point is 01:44:38 they saw a moment and capitalized on it. I do believe that they definitely bothered it. I definitely believe they put money behind it, knowing they were in a negotiation with somebody. But in retrospect, I think, I should have known Drake wasn't going to win because they didn't put a rabbi schmulli around him. That's the angel of death for musicians that have won up on a company.
Starting point is 01:44:59 Once they put rabbi schmooley around, Drake got a lookout for, he got to watch his six. He watches six. You see rabbiashmooly, you are artists? Yo, they coming after you. Watch your six. I will say though, like jokes aside, this, I'm sure they're going to flip this to say that I'm saying Drake was looking out for artists. Who care? This loss actually, I think, could be used in a positive way for any lawsuit that uses rap lyrics against people in a criminal case. I do think this will be cited even though it was
Starting point is 01:45:34 civil. You can say with this judge's response to this, why the fuck should a kid, why should lyrics seem to be brought up? Like, why are you even playing lifestyle in a thugs row? Clearly, another judge thinks that this is just rap. People just be saying shit. It doesn't mean anything. Like, I hope this is, this loss is cited moving forward for any kid that is jammed up and they use his lyrics against him in a fucking court of law. But I don't know if they can because I do not know the difference with criminal and civil if you can even do that. I'm just, you know, an idiot with a mic. But I think that's kind of a win. I don't think that was any intentions, but I think it can be used fucking Drake versus UMG can be cited in court. It could, it could be.
Starting point is 01:46:18 But I think it said there's a difference because no one got physically hurt in this battle, which is where it comes into non-actionable opinion. People won't always. You can't. Somebody digging physically hurt. Well, yeah, I'm talking about in the in the course of the lyrics of the battle. Are you saying what I'm saying? Like in the course of the non-actionable opinion as if not everybody who listens to this will automatically know that or think that Drake is a pedophile. Like that's not a factual assertion.
Starting point is 01:46:45 You're not asserting that as, you know. I am not in law school, so I can't break everything down, but this is just from what I'm reading. But that's part of my point. It's like everybody's trying to play, you know, social media lawyers and break down paperwork and read paperwork. And it's like, bro, let the legal team that is paid to do this. Let them do what they do. If they appeal, the appeal gets denied or it gets accepted, we'll come back and we'll address that too. But I'm just saying if we go off of what we're seeing, when you see anybody, not just big artists,
Starting point is 01:47:22 when you see anybody standing on something or defending their brand and their name against a company, whether you like this person or not, I think you should salute that action. Like, yeah, like if you feel like they played with you, definitely fight for your fucking name and your character and all of that. Especially when it's a company that you've generated and kept the lights on it for so many years and done so many things for now that they try to throw this monkey, wrench in the game and you caught it, absolutely, you got to salute that. I don't care who it is. I salute anybody that's standing on business like that. Okay. I think there's going to be some type of big arrest or RICO shit in Toronto that has nothing to do with this, but there's no way you shoot somebody in that neighborhood and get away with it. So now back to somebody is snitching
Starting point is 01:48:07 now back to somebody getting hurt. Like there's no way. If I shoot somebody in Alpine, New Jersey right now, how quick am I getting caught? Oh, before you get to the bridge. Everyone has a security kit. Like, you can follow every single camera with a car if I shoot somebody in Alpine, New Jersey. The only reason I wouldn't be arrested is if I was cooperating and they're waiting. Like, the fact that that went away was absolutely insane.
Starting point is 01:48:32 I'm not saying it's like, you're not saying it is. You think, I think Kendrick fucking sat someone on a plane from L.A.? Come on, that's stupid. But the fact that a security guard in one of the most affluent neighborhoods in one of the biggest, cities in the world of the biggest artist shot somebody and then kept driving and nobody was arrested? Yeah. Are y'all nuts?
Starting point is 01:48:57 Somebody is cooperating and there's going to be a huge case that I'm telling you. You can't do that unless you're snitching. Yeah. No, I get it. I get it. But, you know, again, it'll play out. But yeah, this is not over. This is going to another level. And again, anytime you see somebody willing to go the extra mile for what they know is right or what they feel is right. You got to look at it and salute it. Even if you hate, if you hate the person, it's like, all right, he's going the long way. He's taking it the distance. Iceman got to have the greatest Drake intro of all time.
Starting point is 01:49:29 That's all I'm saying. Too much to talk about. It's got to be the greatest intro that he's ever made or I don't know if we're going to track two. Like, if you don't get your shit off, if that button is not pushed, I don't know if I'm going to, two or three. don't even put that in the middle of the album tell me tell me tell me your burn book in the beginning okay tell me everything about rick ross we we shall we shall see oh yeah um do we have voicemails
Starting point is 01:49:57 uh i hope that's satisfied everyone that just tuned into this episode to hear us talk about the trick shit i hope that i hope you guys are satisfied hope it gave you enough ammo to uh tell us we should uh tell us we should sorry boost you're not getting voicemails today no voicemails no i think we should i think we should end there male voices and just go hey yo My bad baby, Dee. Yeah, I think we can just end the episode here, which is maybe a moment of silence to give everyone the time they need to think about the mean things to say. Like, P's just leave like 30 seconds of just silent.
Starting point is 01:50:29 Rory's stay acting like he's not bothered by the comments, but he always commenting on what the comments say. He lost sleep this week. Trust me, you did. Yeah, that was because I had a toddler kicking in the phone. Yeah, I know. I hear you. You think I lost sleep?
Starting point is 01:50:43 He kept talking. I had no to do with the kids. He was like, Amar, not right now. like this clip is circulating again and I really got to do PR. Oh my God. I hate to show up paint that because people are actually going to believe that. I'm sitting there thinking about. Yo, what the fuck you was on spaces talking about yesterday?
Starting point is 01:50:58 The other day, bro. Every time I go on Twitter, you on Spaces. I wouldn't talk about shit. I wasn't talking about shit. He said that and then I'm going to wake up tomorrow to a clip on YouTube. Rory says, I'm like, all right, man, here we go with this shit. Yeah, I'm talking about nothing. That tone?
Starting point is 01:51:14 That tone? It's like, yeah, that's when you're trying to remember what you're saying. It's like when your girl asks you how you know this girl. Oh, matter. Well, no, I talk to. We just follow each other. I talked to glasses on spaces. Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:51:26 A few days ago. What fuck is glasses? I like glasses. And then, yeah, I was, I was talking to, I know you guys don't even want me to say his name. I was talking to him yesterday. We were kicking it. Wasn't even really like about, I wasn't, you think I was giving them the, the Drake trial drop? Wait till we really get on spaces.
Starting point is 01:51:43 Job not finished. Job finished. I'm not finished. I'm not part of the workforce. It's all good. I mean, they can make me a juror. I'm going to hear that space as he was on. Send me that baby, Dee. I don't have that shit.
Starting point is 01:52:00 I don't even know what the name of it was. I just went out. His little icon be in the corner. That's it. I was listening to more shit than I was talking. The fuck I'm clicking in for. Or baby, these folks are clicking in. I don't even want that shit to pop up as Demaris as a listener.
Starting point is 01:52:13 Nope. Wait, matter of fact, we were talking about Saturday Live and if Cam is going to be a good replacement and I was like, if they can make Pete Davidson a star, they can make Cam a star. Like, we were talking about comedy. I forgot Cam's last name. He used to be on Kill Tony.
Starting point is 01:52:29 Now he's on Esenel. I thought you were going to make the mistake saying, Newton. I'm like, what? I mean, I think S&L could make Cam Newton a star. Greatest, greatest, greatest college football play of all the time. Yeah. Shout to him and Ashley. They retired, Auburn, retired.
Starting point is 01:52:42 Auburn retired his jersey retired his number over the weekend so shout to Camden. I thought they bented that. Oh no, listen. We got Berg coming in tomorrow. We have some things to talk about. You don't fuck with Cam? I don't know Cam Newton to not fucking. When you said when they're going to retire his mic, like you know, you only
Starting point is 01:52:58 like when he be, you don't be picking up what he be putting down? You know the Patreon we had that just dropped today. We were talking about what the fuck he was putting down. Did you see his? I can't remember. His follow up with Hitmaker with Berg? No. Oh, yes. No, tomorrow's going to be fun. We got a friend of the show, family. We love Berg. Berg's coming. I thought that was nasty.
Starting point is 01:53:17 Not on Berg's bat. Like, why Cam was even like going through every chick he fuck? Like, and just name and name you oh, that was with Berg. I didn't, I just thought it. But it makes sense because that's coming off of what he was saying about him wanting to know his girls. Like, he needs to know Berg body count. Well, no, but I'm just saying it made the conversation because a woman might want, you know, she's dealing with a guy like Berg. She might want to know like, yo, you folks any girl like Berg. He's a nice human being. Well, you know, an industry guy. In the industry, you know, it's like, yo, do you had you had any relationships with any women that I may know?
Starting point is 01:53:47 So I think he was doing his fare. In a relationship, why would he need to know who Berg's fucking? Well, he doesn't need to know. I think his audience is like, all right, well, you're talking my body counts. When it comes to your woman, like, yeah, ask a guy. Like, is he going to tell who he slept with to his girl? Like, I think that that was on brand. But it's not to his girl.
Starting point is 01:54:06 It's to the world. You're asking him to reveal women's sexual history. But you know where we live in now, though, demand. If you keep secrets, you're a widow now. If you don't gossip and tell your business and spill it, it's like, why are you acting funny? You know that's the world we in. They want to hear everything.
Starting point is 01:54:20 That ain't the world. I'm like, booed. You'll be on that algorithm too. What algorithm I be at? I saw you under the Shade Room. You ain't, you ain't never. You ain't not never seen me over there. You ain't not never seen me over here.
Starting point is 01:54:31 Baby, do we go back and forth for the Shai Root. Fuck, no. She'd be in the Shade Room comments. All right, well, then now that I know Mall's cool with that, uh, Patreon exclusive, when we record, I'm going to just start naming names to mall, and he has to tell me if he fuck or not. Yeah. Let's see how comfortable he feels. That's the world we live in.
Starting point is 01:54:48 That's what we're doing now, then. And don't fucking lie. I never said I was cool with it. I said, I mean, it's on brand for Cam Newton is what I said. I could tell if Berg was uncomfortable. Like, why are you asking you this? Making young Berg uncomfortable is hilarious. That thing is never uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:55:01 But Berg has always been outspoken about the women that he's dated. He's never hid the women he's dated. Yeah, but loving hip hop is one thing. Huh? I'm just open my phone. and just see who Youngberg is dating. Like, what the fuck? He's on love it.
Starting point is 01:55:16 Delete that. Delete that. That's fucked up. That's fucked up. Delete that. Delete that. Delete that. I mean, keep it.
Starting point is 01:55:23 No, delete it. Delete it. No, keep it. Anyways, this was fun. Tune in to patreon.com forward slash new Rory mall.
Starting point is 01:55:32 If you want to hear every single woman that mall has fucked, we will be asking him this week. We're just going to name names. I'm going to reach out to people closest to him just to get even. more intel and just drop names like mall and be like how you even know that um so yeah i'm i'm excited that that will reveal this because i think that's what everyone deserves with intimate moments they
Starting point is 01:55:50 should be put out everyone needs to know everyone needs to know everyone i slept with right we'll use full government names addresses everything send them some gifts if you want please do all right we'll talk to you all right next i'm that niggie he's just ginger peace a win a win a win a win i don't care which i'm saying yep that's me clipper taylor the fourth you might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
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