New Rory & MAL - Episode 415 | Math Hoffa

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

It’s gettin cold in NYC, and we’re here for it. We end the week celebrating the life and career of R&B legend, D’Angelo. A new Big L track featuring Nas was released. Rory and Mal debate if there are any rappers under 35 on track to be legacy artists. Then, we got Math Hoffa on the pod. Mal and Math re-live stories from Total Slaughter, and Math tells his side of the story with everything “My Expert Opinion”. Plus, we do our best to help a caller with a really really personal problem. #volume All lines provided by hardrock.bet  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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End of the week. Yes. Still freezing in New York. I love it. This is when I come alive. Weather drop fast, huh? October, I think, is my favorite month of the entire year. You missed October?

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But anyways, we are back. How's your week been? I've been with you every day, work. We've seen each other every day. You know exactly how my week's been. Yeah. Youngberg, aka Hitmaker episode, is out right now. Shout out the Hitmaker.

Great conversation. If you haven't checked it out, it's hilarious. He tells some very funny stories about. My guy. He's, he's, like Maul said, off Mike yesterday. He's, he's in that bow wow, like, Forrest Gump of hip hop type, type area. His origin is crazy. His origin story is absolutely crazy.

Like, going, like, being discovered by DMX and then... Being signed to DMX. Then being signed to Mona Scott. Yeah. Not inviolator. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of nuts. But we've had Berg on a few times and he still somehow always tells us new stories every time it comes on.

So he's great guests. Check that out. How many songs he got dropping today? 21, he says? I think more than that. So you're like 30 or 40 or something? As you're listening to this? He working, man.

I got to know what his pub deal look like. Life is good. Living in Miami now, house pay, no mortgage. I might need to borrow a car. Yeah, he's chilling. He came in a smile. He's putting out 40 songs. Let me borrow two today.

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greatest musicians, singers, artists of our time, DeAngelo. Yeah, this was one of those. Like when artists die or celebrities die, sometimes like, oh, that sucks. This one like hurt. Like I felt like I know him. Yeah. And I've never met him. Yeah. Yeah, this, I don't even know where to begin on this one.

How many times in the last 10 years of podcasting? Have we just discussed how DeAngelo is one of our favorite artists ever? Anytime we have an R&B debate. First name we bring him up like, he was one of them. Absolutely. Like you can't compare his voice or style to any other artist period, whether B-pop, R&B, Neosville, whatever. he I mean he he was a goat with you know three albums that he spread out in each generation

an era that he put an album out he changed the face of music during it absolutely um so yeah I mean you know condolences to his family definitely to his son definitely probably rough rough year for him losing both parents um so so praise and condolences to his son as well his daughter yeah too but um Did you ever have the privilege of meeting DeAngelo? He was in the studio one night. I forgot who session it was. He was in the studio. But I never had the privilege of having an actual one-on-one conversation and kicking it with him and giving him his flowers.

But, you know, when you say DeAngelo, you know, for somebody growing up in the 90s, we'd call out the golden era of music R&B, especially. DeAngelo was the guy that, you know, absolutely changed the style. You know, you used to seeing musicians look a certain way. You're not used to seeing musicians with the talent level of what DeAngelo would have corn rolls and, you know, leather jackets and no shirt. Like, it was like, you know, he just changed the style of what musicians look like, especially in the 90s. Like, he just came in and was, you know, just completely.

completely just changed the sound and energy in R&B. So many people that are an extension of his talent and his musical genius. So receiving that news of his passing was definitely heavy. Like, you know, because DeAngelo was never somebody that was ever really in the headlines. No. So it's easy to kind of like not think about DeAngelo unless you like hearing his music or like you, you know, he happens to be working on a new project. So when, you know, I forgot who hit the chat and it was like DeAngelo passed, I was like, I read that. I was like, whoa.

Yeah. And let me just reading that was just like, that's somebody he wasn't expecting to just, you know, read that passed away. But after privately, you know, battling the illness and things like that, you know, the family decided to keep that, you know, because he was, again, he was not, DeAngel was somebody that was ever really in the headlines. Yeah. It wasn't nothing negative, you know, it was just like if it wasn't about music, if he wasn't performing, you didn't know what DeAngelo was doing. And I think that's the way he wanted it. That's the way he, you know, part of his mystique and his aura was strictly about the music and his talent. But so young, you know, to pass away at 51 and his talent, man, you know, obviously had to live on.

His music lives on. But, yeah, DeAngelo was one of the greats, you know, for him to no longer be with us, you know, so soon. It's just like, it's just kind of like, you know, put you in a fog because you can't really like dance. like that fast so soon like but um you know one of the greatest uh remember listening to you know lady and brown sugar being in high school like he was just the soundtrack if you was like had a crush on a girl you had to play de angelo you had to like you know if it was a talent show it was like who gonna sing de angelo like everybody can't do who's gonna try to do that most of you yeah everybody can't do di angelo like he was just the coolest of the cool man so prayers and condolice

just his family left an incredible legacy. You know, just somebody just had so much musical integrity and so much style and did it his way. So yeah, man, it's a terrible loss for the culture and for music. But, you know, his work is here. His music is here. The people that he influences here, the artist that he worked with is still here. So, you know, his music and his art lives on for sure.

Yeah. when I was working for Kevin Liles, he was working with DeAngelo. I guess you could say managing DeAngelo at that time for the Black Messiah album. And DeAngelo, you know, obviously never came to the office. Never was like, you know, part of any meetings or anything. But when I say anytime Keb would play like a song from that album before it came out, like we would all just gather around like the media room door like children and just put our fucking ear to the side to try to hear that shit. So, like, seeing that project from an office standpoint completely come together was like just an honor to be next to somebody that was working with DeAngelo.

Like, I had nothing whatsoever to do. I was just in the office. But that was like one of the coolest times ever of like, damn, I'm listening to a DeAngelo project right now. Yeah, like nobody's heard. Yeah. But yeah. With me and Dixon were in Electric Lady, which is a very famous studio in New York City where, you know, DeAnneville recorded most of his work. Mm-hmm.

So Aquarians from fuck. Eric Badoo, everyone, you know, recorded out of there. We, like, didn't work for like an hour and a half because we were just sitting there talking about like, yo, like, D'Angelo sat right here. Yeah. Like, we shouldn't be allowed in this. Like, why are we working in here? This is nuts.

Like, that's the same booth. Incredible talent, man. So, yeah, rest in peace again. I don't know if you have any D'Angelo memories. No. Not like personal. You guys covered everything. He's a good job.

Yeah. I did see, and I'm not sure if this was a rumor, confirmed that prior to his death he was working on, did it say, like six different projects or something he was working on? That wouldn't surprise me. So, I mean, hopefully that means, you know, we're still going to get D'Angelo music that he would want out, not just some shit that a label threw together with fucking old dat tapes.

But he was privately battling pancreatic cancer. So it wouldn't surprise me if he was planning these projects for after his death. so I hope we get to at least hear those sometimes. Absolutely. But yeah, I don't really know how to turn them up. Benzino. This was just a perfect example of sometimes. The angelo to Benzinos.

I know, I know. That's absolutely crazy. It's a perfect example of like sometimes honoring legends that have passed, like you should just sit out. sometimes we don't need to know what influences you had from him after his death because I do believe that

Benzino was influenced by DeAngelo, all of us were, but I didn't need to see exactly how Benzino was influenced. Okay. I cannot. Okay. No, I don't think Benzino was influenced by DeAngelo.

Nothing about Benzino's music. Just be a shirtless and shadows. I think this is just what call it. This is classified. out chasing. I think that's exactly what this is. Nah, he was doing a truth. Or is this? Yeah, he was, come on, he was giving DeAngelo his flowers before.

Yeah, that's, yeah, he didn't just do that when DeAngelo died. That would be fucking nuts, but. Oh, he didn't just do this? No. It's still nuts. Wait, so he had this in the vault? Matter of fact, I think it's more disrespectful doing this when Deangelo is alive so

he can see it. Why, but why? Oh, no, Pete is going to have to put that shit somewhere on the screen. It's, it's the untitled video when DeAngelo is issued. shirtless with that shadow, but Benzino took that and put his own spin on it. With him being shirtless. This is his, how does it feel? Yes.

Okay. Okay. Listen, man, I mean, I stayed corrected. This was before, this video was out before DeAngelo passed. Yes. Okay. And I stand correct. And when.

Maybe Benzino was influenced by him. No, no. He was suggesting, like, you know, he posted it when Benzino passed. Like, hey, I've been influenced in my career by him. here's an example of how it made him feel. Okay. And I saw, I saw DeAngel's son post something of, you know, it's been a tough year. Thank you guys for having me in your thoughts and prayers.

I'll definitely need it. Like keep telling me that. Do you think this made him feel any better? Like some things, some tributes should just be like kept in the touch. I'm sure he read, Beyonce's posting and was like, oh, man, that's really cool to know that my pop's, you know, influence. one of the biggest pop stars ever, like those types of things, I think help in grief and death.

If I saw this, like, that's going to delay, like, funeral plans. I'm going to be so angry. Honestly, it probably gave him a laugh. It probably gave him a laugh. Or him and his dad may have laughed at that together before. And that could have been a good memory. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, like if that was out before his passing, then, um, yeah, I'm pretty sure DeAngelo laughed at that. Absolutely. Yeah. Um,

I also thought, It's also crazy to think that James got the last recorded DeAngelo record that was put out. Font laurie? James Samuel for the soundtrack for the Book of Clarence. It was the Jay-Zan DiAngelo record. I want you forever. Yeah. Yeah.

So that was the last one that was put out while he was alive, which is crazy to think. But shit, now... That would make sense, though, James working with DeAnne. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I'm sure they had been talking about that for quite. some time even before that um because i think james even went in interviews and like hove didn't even know about it and he just was sending him snippets and i think he said hove was on

the treadmill sending him bars while he was running on the treadmill because he had this de angelo record like i yeah i'll rap for d'angelo record yeah you got a de angelo record yeah i'll get on that for sure that's such a that's such a cool way for hip-hop to age like a guy in his 50s on a treadmill writing raps to a DeAngelo record. Yeah. For a movie called Book of Claren. And then sending them as voice notes to like someone's iPhone. Yeah.

That shit is hilarious to me. Absolutely. But yeah. I wish you guys wanted to shame me so much when I thought DeAngelo was down the hall for me. Those months ago. Oh, yeah. I remember that. Oh, yeah.

When you kept conveniently having to walk to the bathroom. Yeah. Yeah. In the dungeon at Flux. Yeah. But I talked to the energy. But then when you told us that I understood it, though. Like, I got it.

Yeah. I was like, no, listen, that's, that's DeAngelo. I get it. But it's like, there's a way to go about that still. But I understood, it's DeAngelo, bro. As a musician, as anybody, a producer, as an artist, if you have the opportunity to be in the same room, especially a studio, and just talk to DeAngelo and pick his brain about music. I mean, you definitely have to take that opportunity whenever you can because you don't know when you'll have that opportunity again. And because he had probably the most unique voice in R&B history, maybe outside.

of like Marvin Gay. You know when you're walking past a studio and like, all right, that's DeAngelo and I've never heard that song. Right. What the fuck is going on in there? Yeah. But yeah. Benzino, I guess we all, we all grieve different.

We do. That is very true. We do grieve differently. Absolutely. Big L and the Masqueville album we talked about last episode, but they put out the first single with Nas, you ain't got a chance, with a visual too, that I thought was, was really cool just going through Old Harlem and the Old Queens. First record is fire.

Out the gate. Massafil again? Yeah. Nyes on the first. Massapil going to crazy. What is Massapil doing in 2025, man? And we're getting the full Nause and primo shit. Yeah, like, Nott sat back and was like, all right.

Because Berg did say, you know, the question he asked, and I've been thinking about that since last night, was like, under 35, no legacy. Yeah. eggs, who are the rap, who are the guys? Who are the top five? And I'm, that shit, like, I cannot believe, I cannot name. I could name one. Well, I mean, that's where I'm kind of mad.

We were rights, however many years ago when we were like, you know, do you think there's going to be another big three, another rap super, like, I can't see it. I can see when we was, when we was, when we was leaving 50, Hove, Kanye, Wayne, like, we could see. Yeah. There was like six people that were candidates in the beginning. Absolutely. Of course, it switched and we got to a three.

But we were all looking at five to six. Shit, maybe even said like, Wizz could have been that. I can't really see one right now. It's crazy, man. And, you know, I think, but we're haters. I was going to say they're going to kick y'all ass about Playboy Cardi and young boy and white boy. Playboy Cardi.

Listen, hey, I'm not talking about what we, I'm talking about what we, I'm talking about, you're talking about rap superstars and let people. Playboy Cardi's not a rapper to me. No, he's like a noise. Okay, NBA young boy We brought him up Yeah, we brought him up Yeah, we brought

Kodak up as well With Well, how old is Playboy Cardi 30 So even there like I think what Berg was asking Was even like even younger than Cardi I know

But even when we brought up like Travis I agree with him He's like I already see Travis is already getting to Legendary shit like And Travis is not a rapper That too So I put Playboy in that same

Travis area Rockstar Yeah Like, you know what I mean? It's just not, when I say, I'm talking Nas, Jay, Wayne. You know what I'm saying? Like that type of those guys, that rap. Like, where is it?

But see, but that's, but that's why I say young boy because you can't. Yeah, but he, but he even said he was like he feels like young boy is more already, like in his own legacy kind of thing already because he's been lit. Like that's, this is not new for young. Yeah, young boy has been catching on to it. Like he been at his own. You know what I'm saying? So y'all are looking for people after young boy? Like that's like rap.

Yeah. Okay. So, so look. So look, take young boy. All right. So take young boy.

Name four more. Oh, I can't. I was like, but I'm saying people are saying. Even if you say, yeah, young boy.

Okay. Who else? Then what after that? I said yeet, but got laughed at. Yeah. Well, listen.

I've seen footage of Yeat concerts. Like, he has a crazy fan base. Oh, no, I'm not saying he don't have a fan base. I'm talking about. Oh,

He's an awful rapper. Don't get me wrong. Like, he makes terrible music, in my opinion. Clearly, that doesn't matter because he's selling out more tickets than I could ever dream of selling. I'm not trying to disrespect him in that way. That's why I brought,

I didn't bring him up ironically. Like, that would be considered rap now. And he is dominating as far as streams and hard ticket sales. Like, Yeet is... I think the biggest record on the last Drake project was the one with Yeat outside of first-person shooter. Rod Wave.

Not a rapper, singer. I give him his credit. Like, he's definitely dominating the younger generation, but would you consider him a rapper? I wouldn't consider Rod Wave a rapper. Okay. Yeah. He's almost, like, exclusively singing to me.

Maybe he gets a little 12 off every now and then I don't know, but. Doja Cat is only 29. He brought up Doja. No, but he was talking about, like, on the mail side. Oh, okay. Yeah. No. Who?

Roddy Rich. I like Roddy Rich a lot, and he has. Now we just going, see, we just doing it. Yeah, I'll say y'all just name me. Now we just Google. Now we just Google rappers and we just name and name. No, don't, don't do that because Roddy a few years ago, it did look like the same way maybe we were looking at Sean, Whiz, Wale, Cole. Like, Roddy had that moment for a year.

It was like, oh, he could be, if he keeps this pace up, he could be that. But then he put out the album that he even admitted fucking stunk. And it definitely, like, redirected his. career and any type of steam that he had. And he just pushed his album back for like the 17th time. I guess, I guess Little Baby would probably be the one of most people would probably, it would be like a little baby.

Because all y'all said, we were moving into the Little Baby era, and I'm still waiting for the moving company. No, but I'm just saying, like, he would be one of the guys that people would name. It would be a little baby, maybe even throw Meek in it. Well, no, how old is meek? Meek's older than me. Old are you? He is?

Okay. Not old, but. Yeah. But so it would be like the little baby. It would be guys like... Gunna, Gunna's definitely there. Gunna, but it's gonna... Gunna might be older than 35.

But is he wrapped them? Gunna's older than 35? I say he might be. I'm not sure. I'll check. Wait. You can't be, you can't be wearing... He's 32.

Okay, I was going to say, you can't be wearing like them leather rain boots after 35. Like, that's a young man's sport. Kanye, do it? Kanye, he's Peter Pan. I don't even know. I don't even know what that means. He means like he never grew up. All he does is talk about his inner creative child.

Oh, man. Yeah, but that, that was a, you know, that was a great, you know, like, Central State. Berg definitely stumped me with that one. I was like, damn, I never really. I thought about saying him that way. Oh, no, what? Young boy we're saying is there.

We're trying to get out the rest of young boy. Yeah, we named young boy, but he said name five. So I said, okay, young boy, cool. Give me four more. Like we sitting here, we don't even, we just like. Yeah. And that's crazy to say that we can't even do that in rap. Like you can't name five of the guys under 35 that are like the next legends.

Like, that's scary. That is scary. Jack. Jack Harlow. Jack Harlow is not going to be a legend. Well, we're saying the next guys. That's crazy. And that's what's supposed to fuck up to just say about somebody.

Yeah. He's 27. He's 27. He has had like diamond records. He might have. have an incredible next three-year rent. No, he might. I'm sorry. I'm, I apologize, right? I'm just saying it doesn't appear to be on that trajectory for him. I do. I want the best for him. He got diamond records, though. He got it. He has successful records. A lot of people have diamond records. We ain't going to say

a lot. A lot of people have diamond records that have not had a successful full career, but they have a diamond record. No, hold on. How much time? I think you're thinking that because he had so much output for like three years and took a break. Just because you're taking a break doesn't mean he's doesn't have the same steam. Like if he comes out with another single, which he's clearly capable of, even though I'm Vanilla Baby shit popped right after all those other fucking diamond records, he's capable of like continuing that trajectory. Yeah, but I don't like, you know, I don't like that. And I think Jack is talented, but I don't like that because you name it records that are like samples and flips of big records. It's like, that's a cheat code to me. Like give me your original sound,

your original record that's a smash, that's a fucking hit, a classic record with no sample. Like, give me that. Like, when you say, I'm vanilla, like that, what's the name of that record? I'm sorry. Whatever the name is.

Lovin'ami. Love it. Great record, but we know that, we know that song already. Like, that's already a hit record that we've heard years ago. Don't do that, though, because,

okay, Kanye and Lupe Fiasco, touch the sky, coming into his second album. Like, that was, not even a sample flip. It was just the fucking song. Yeah, but before that, Kanye had already had his own sounds, his own songs that didn't have, like, it may be samples in it, but not as heavy as the Jack Hall. That was just, that wasn't, was that even, that was a flip. But I think to older,

I think to older people, which I've talked about before, like, when my, my past was never, like, against rap, it was like a rap hater. But, like, a lot of the songs that I would listen to, he'd be like, I know this fucking, the real song. Like, well, hip-hop is based on. Yeah. Sample. I don't think we should just put the rules for Jack there when all of our favorite rappers ever have gotten hit records with very, very noticeable samples. Yeah, but that's, like super noticeable samples. So name another Jack record.

Well, pause. The Jackman album. First class. Is that not another cover? No, his three biggest singles are for sure like big clips. So that's what I'm saying. Like, I'm just, I'm just saying that about Jack. Like, I get it.

He's talented. He has big records. But, like, Jack got to give me Jack, though. Like, not the flip of. of a song that was already huge years ago, he bringing it back, putting his own spin on it. I get that. That's part of hip hop sampling and taking, you know,

the breakbeat is the sample. But it's like, we need your sound. We need your song. We need your record, original record. Like, give us yours. Not a flip on something else. I mean, well, that's why I kind of appreciated Jackman, which you just have to pause.

I just wish he would call something else. Yeah, like he went with the pop rap with Come Home, the kids miss you did well bunch of singles Churchill Downs was fucking one of the best records of that year too without a crazy sample of course you have one of the better Drake features in the last decade

but that'll help sometimes but he went helps a little bit and just to shoot the video with him at the Kentucky Derby I mean all that helps who directed that was one of the most fire videos I've seen quite some time that shit was incredible um

who Jack I shoot it on for that Drake overshadowed me oh um yeah that's one of those like well that Drake verse is that's where it's fucked up that Drake verse is insane I would have like you're ecstatic when that verse comes back

as an artist like Drake sent you that but it's like God damn my nigga like you've whooped my ass on this record like yeah but you're not mad because you know what it's gonna do and you're coming out to Kentucky to do the video with my mom

I'm not complaining and you're a drama standing next to each other for the first time it's like Jesus Christ you whoop my ass yeah we get to shoot in slow-mo horses at the Kentucky Derby on a red camera. Insane.

And even that, like, I remember when Jay-Z was on Juan Epstein and they brought up that Nause line of an M&M killed you on your own shit. Jay was like, well, I don't believe that, but... Okay. Did I, should I want a bad M-verse for my album? Right. It's like, yeah, of course I'd like you to fucking give me your best feature verse ever. But Jackman was not any of the...

Like, he was flipping soul samples and like chipmunk and shit. But, again, it felt more like a mixtape and it didn't have the same commercial success, but it didn't feel like that was even his approach. But he did that on his own after without any of that shit. There was just no hit on that. His album, I thought that year with Churchill Downs on, hurry up, come home to Kismissom. Come on with Kismissue. Great project.

I like that project. But even, again, it's like a guy that I would, at one point in Rory knows how I feel about Kodak, I would have had him in that conversation. He's had his troubles, jail, you know, drugs, things like that. you know, just the real life issues that kind of got in the way of some of his trajectory. But I think Kodak, to me, Kodak Black is better than all of these guys as far as rapping that we're talking about. So, you know, but, you know, things get in the way that that. And to be a successful artist, and, you know, you can attest to this word, it takes more than just talent.

So many things have to align. Like when you look at the greats, everything has to align. Like, how are they in their personal life? Like how serious are they about their crap? How focused are they? How dedicated are they to their talent? A lot of the time you see guys with a lot of talent, but their personal lives,

their vices and things like that get in the way. And, you know, it kind of interferes with their success. But to me, Kodak Black is, you know, his talent level is insane. Yeah. You go back to listen to a lot of his early shit. And I found out because, you know, I was kind of, I wasn't late to Kodak, but I was later than some people,

like most people were. And listening to a lot of his shit. When I started finding out he was 18, 19 doing those type of records, no features, verses and hooks and melodies, 18, 19 years old, that's not, you don't see that much in rap. Yeah. Where a dude is doing his entire project, no features, or a lot of his biggest records, no features. He's doing the verses and the hooks coming up with the melodies. He's writing all his own shit. The thing, his content, the shit he was saying in his.

I'm like being 18, 19 talking about the shit Kodak was talking about, his talent level is insane. Again, vices get in the way of that a lot with a lot of these young guys. And unfortunately, that's what the story is for Kodak. It's vices that get in the way of his talent. But Kodak Black's talent level is I think he's better than 95% of these guys we just named. Yeah. And to your point, too, with the superstar thing, like there's also the intangibles. Like, you can check every single box, but it's going to sound corny.

Sometimes the universe and timing just has to exist. Like things that you can't control whatsoever need to fucking time up. Yeah. Because I've seen people check every box. And I'm like, how the fuck did this not work? It's like, oh, the timing of where music was, what was going on? You just not catch. What happened one month of one year can change literally everything as far as what a rollout is.

But I don't know. I still think Baby Kim's going to come back and save hip hop. All right. Do we have voicemails? Yo, voicemails. 20 minutes. I'm just saying, all right. John, that's what you want to take?

Who? I mean, I thought Kim had a potential in the first joint. I didn't think it was like a classic, but I didn't think it was bad. It showed potential. I just think you need to have like some more output with just some potential. Like if you put out like a classic out the gate, like a channel orange, yeah, you're giving some grace for some years to kick it.

But not. Keem has to put music out. Yeah. I mean, in order to be in the conversation, you have to have music out. But if you talk to the internet and had the same conversation, Keem's name would be brought up as far as like who people think the next guys would be. He would. Okay.

I'm not saying you have to agree, but Keem's name comes up often where I'm like, oh, one project. I mean, I love when people tell me like name guys. Like, yeah, nah, because then the first thing I do is like, all right, let me hear it. Like, send me his shit. Let me go, you know, because sometimes I'm not always in tune with a lot of these that people think is dope. And I listen and I'm just like,

let me take off my illmatic ears. Oh, for sure. Let me take off. Let me take off my reasonable doubt ears. Let me take off my ready-to-doubt ears. Oh, I do that out the gate. Yeah, like, let me take these ears off. Let me just put some ear muffs on.

Yeah. And just listen to this and see what these guys are doing. But yeah, man, I don't know, man. I'm kind of nervous for the future of rap and hip-hop. I'm going to be honest. Like, after Berg said that yesterday, I got the thinking last night and I'm just like, damn. Like, it's...

Nobody knows what to do. Like, no one knows where to take hip hop to evolve it. It's not charting the way it once used to. It's not as... It's still, obviously, still the culture, but it's not as commercial as it once was. No one knows where to take it next. Like, look at, for example, this year.

The albums and the artists we were even about is guys that's been in it 30-plus years. Mm-hmm. The clips. mob deep fucking nah we ain't no nash joints like we talk my guys that have

I should Gibbs got 12 13 Gibbs like these guys has over 15 years then these are guys that have been almost 20 yeah it's like these are the elder the elder statesman these are guys that have

been doing it so when they're still currently putting out the best music and the best albums and rapping in hip hop I mean that that says a lot even chances of veteran at this point Chance is a veteran So you can't even put him in that under 30 Because how old is chance?

Probably around my Probably 34 Maybe he's like a year younger than me 32 okay Chance is 32 Oh okay Much bigger than I thought So put chance in that cat

Put him in that conversation Jid for sure He had one of the best rap albums this year Same with Jid I put Jid there as well But even Jiz's been around for a while at this point And Jid is 34 So he's like right there on that

Yeah Yeah That's that's going to while. I mean, well, if we're talking young, young like that. Well, he'll be 35 next week.

So, so now we can't even put him in that. Really? I thought Jid was, 90 was great, you know. Yeah. His birthday's Halloween.

So he'll be 35. So it's like you can't even, you know. But people that rap like this and make this type of music, it takes longer. Yeah. Like,

it definitely, it's almost like how like, not a thing anymore, too. So this type of shit is like almost where like stand-up comedy has got. gotten where it's like guys don't really break until they're 40. Yeah.

Because even like Gibbs finally getting his just doing the last few years, but like Gibbs is making elite music for 15 years. Yeah. But it just, it's that type of rap has now gotten to that place. But shit, how was West Side Gun? Oh, probably 30. 40 something? I was thinking like 38.

Gun? 43 years old. Jesus. Yeah, man. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think that's great. But it just takes longer with that. And it's fun.

You're talking about guys from my era. It was a different attention to detail, different respect for the art of it all. So these are guys that came up having to check certain boxes in order to be considered dope. You know what I mean? It wasn't like, oh, just get a record out of your basement, posted on fucking, you know, TikTok, and it goes viral. And now you doing shows next month. And it's like, no, these are guys that really put it. and work and grinded for years and traveled and had to do things like but it shows because they

paid attention to detail and have certain skillsets that you had to have at one point yeah man ice spice Bronx legend you know we love a chenelli yeah y'all was leaving women out of this conversation i get you like no but we're talking about men but like but we're talking about rap because the women been putting out good solid albums but oh no no the point of and running rap no what berg how we got into that conversation was because berg was saying women you can name the five women out the gate without even thinking about it. Oh, okay. So then that's why he was like, well, what about the guys is trash right now?

Oh, okay. But no. The women are, you said the women, that's how we got into that. The women are clearly running rap right now. And I mean, shit, what Ice Vice White's drop today? Like, it just furthers his point. Bronx legend. You ain't even get the Destiny's Child B, Kelly flip.

You didn't even, because she went way over your head. That's what's up. You ain't even know the song was going to be called Badi, Badi, did you? No, I didn't. You were shocked this morning like, She took it there? All right. Let me show.

We have a guest coming on. Shit, we've been talking with this guy for a while of how to figure out when to go on his show or him to come on our show. Clearly having bag fuel on is what sparked the entire thing. But math is our guy. So we're going to take a quick commercial break as per Pige. And when we come back, we will have the math. Hit it, Peach. Maul, I know you are thinking about upgrading to the all-new iPhone-17 Pro.

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Matt Hoffer is in the building. So Matt, we had, we had, so first of all, we have been talking about us coming on your platform, you coming on our platform for a while. But in particular, we had, we had Bagfield on, shout out to our guys,

Bagfield as on Hydeke. Why are you going to start like that, no, no, I'm just trying to tell, I'm trying to tell. We had Mecca as well. He really want to tell them off there. No, no, because I'm trying, I'm trying to lead up to how

the conversation of you calling me and then it's like, No, no, no, please don't say that. I'm not, I wouldn't say what you said. Pleasant surprise. Okay, all right. I wouldn't say what you said. He happened to be in the neighborhood.

Yeah, yeah, but in that conversation, you called me after that episode came out. I thought they went here today. Shit. You just got just be chilling. It was just weird. You called me. I got somebody watching the door downstairs. You know, this niggas crazy.

We wanted to do this episode for peace. But I'm happy that map is finally here so we could talk our shit. But we was talking about you sending us music, you're some of your music to review talk about and how you we jokingly said don't copyright us once we put it up on youtube and you were saying how you don't understand how rappers don't allow people to react to their music and post videos right because okay as a fan like you know we grew up listening to a lot of rappers that are still dropping music yeah and it just bewilders me that like yo it's 2025 there's not many platforms that will promote your music anymore yeah right it's not being played

on radio. Like, I can't remember a lot. I don't think I've heard anything past King's Disease 2 from Nas on a radio at all. On all radio, okay, got you, got you, okay. You know what I mean? So, and, you know,

some of them don't do that many interviews. Especially Nas. He ain't done a lot of interviews. Right. And lyricism to me is something that needs to continue. So if we have like a new audience or audience that follows us that may be like 24 or 18 to 30 or whatever. They're not necessarily familiar with their music as much as, you know, other people

we may interview. Yeah. So to expose it to them, we don't get the chance to because we getting hit with copyrights all the time. Like, Ghost Drop this project. I wanted to review that. So as soon as I uploaded the video. Wow.

Yeah. copyrights. And I'm like, damn, why haven't they figured out to not, you know, hit, to allow it to allow it. Like when Kendrick did that shit, that shit was genius during the battle. Yeah, for sure. And he allowed the reactors to share on monetization. I was genius. I mean, well, there's two steps to that because you can just white label it where people won't get their video taken down. And then the second step, which is the monetized shit. But as far as that first step, if you're an independent artist, I have no idea why you wouldn't white label all of your music on YouTube. Everything. Yeah. The majors, that's a way deeper conversation.

Like, during COVID, remember we was just doing like IG Live jam sessions playing music? And then they shut all that shit down. I was like, these majors are stepping over a dollar to get a penny. Like, we're promoting music. Like, you're not losing money by us doing these jam sessions. It's a bunch of people in here going, oh, I don't even know this song. What is this? Right. Just so you could keep a fucking 0.001 penny from IG Live. Like, yeah, it's It makes no sense. I've never understood that. There should be somebody that's on staff at these labels because it's not just majors,

like, you know, some of just the distributors. They don't, they don't even check to see, like, who's doing this shit. Right. Oh, this could be a million more streams. But what are you doing? Right. It's just crazy. So you had, because we haven't really kicked it in years, but you had the pivot.

You never really kicked it, man. I mean, what I'm going to. We never really kicked. We ain't going to be. fake this episode. No, no, no, not saying we kicked it. I don't know these sticks. Not, not saying we Kippen. We've never met. I'm never met. I'm not comfortable. I have, uh, I've never met at all. I've tweeted about mass podcast since the inception of how much I liked it. We never, I think we DM'd each other. You didn't like me for a second. I remember that. Oh, please give me the history

lesson on this. Both of y'all, both of y'all. Oh, shit. I can find that, I can find the tweet. Now, now, no, no, no, now math talking shit. Because we and math go back to when he was doing total slaughter and we was in that fucking brownstone in Brooklyn. And, and you was battling all of them niggas for a bed. Me and you... I didn't battle nobody for a bed. I was the judge. We're not in this episode.

I was one of the few niggas that was really fucking with you in the house. Like, yo, you was like, yo, these niggas are here is corny. I was sitting there. Write it wrong. First of all. Which is illegal because you was the judge. And it was the biggest bedroom. Why they gave you your own bedroom?

Why they gave you your own bedroom? I don't know. Because you was in there trying to bully. You was in there trying to bully niggas. You wasn't fucking with them. But they made sure they gave me my own bedroom. I was the only one in the house that had his own bedroom from the rip

So I was good And then what they did with Rex Was fucked up Like episode one that was foul On Total Slaughter He had the battle And he was in the basement I think that was in the

With Cortez Yeah And Rex knew what time it was So he came with a verse That he had written And fucking rehearsed And Cortez was like I got five minutes

What the fuck He knew who he was gonna pick Yeah That show totally That show totally depicted battle rap In a wrong way I felt like y'all Like going through

Yeah What is this? What are we doing? Yeah Nobody knew it was even real until the week of. Okay. We were getting phone calls. Like, this shit, real?

Yeah. Okay. Yo, they sent the money. We got to be there on Monday. Yeah. It was a cool experience. Yeah, the idea was cool. I just think they maybe rushed the execution of it.

It wasn't a cool idea for battle rap. Because it's like, you put a bunch of battle rappers in the house. What the fuck is you? That's not what we do, bro. Like, we... Well, you know, they was going off for the whole making the band energy, trying to, like, reignite that whole wave of reality TV. So washout.

Yeah. So wash out. If there's going to be any type of drama and battle rap, that's a reality. Let that shit happen in the streets. But it happened for real. You know what I mean? We ain't arguing in the kitchen over pancakes. You know what I mean?

We got a great battle because it was K. Sean and what was the battle that K? It was like BTS. It wasn't even on the show. They was arguing the kids for like 30 minutes. Right. But they didn't battle. They popped shit and they battled later.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We got to battle later after shit. Mac made the money off for that shit. Shout to smack. You know what I? I respect it. As you should. The battles that y'all got, can I say his name?

Can I say? Sure. Joe versus Hollow. Trash. I thought it was underwhelming from both of them. First of all, you don't battle holding a mic like this. Yeah. Hey, yo, my check, one, two.

Yo. Yo. I'm going to need you guys to quiet down. Or I'm not going to wrap. I'm gonna walk off this. You don't do that to, dude. Don't tempt the battle crowd, bro. I forgot how that went.

Do not tempt the battle crowd. If you say, if y'all don't be quiet, I'm not spending these raps, niggins would be, boo, get the fuck off this thing. Who did some crazy shit that? Was that daylight that did some crazy shit at that one?

He came out in a costume. Oh, there's a whole story behind that. I actually saved you, saved that event from being shut down early. For real? Yeah. Because, I think I battled disaster.

a week before. Uh-huh. And all that shit went down with, you know, me out there thumping with six niggas. Yeah. And the week after, Daylight was supposed to be in New York for total slaughter. Yeah. So a lot of people that was around me was not happy with what happened. Okay.

You know what I mean? Okay. So despite me saying chill. Chill. Chill. Well, I ain't going to say I said, I ain't say chill. I just didn't say nothing, right? Uh-huh.

When Daylight would went up there to battle in the Spawn outfit That's what it was Okay yeah He was supposed to light His cell phone fire But my man hands

Shout out their hands He's recovering from The fire marshal no Shout out my man in hands He's recovering from stage four cancer Hands saw Daylight's home boy And said yo

What happened to Cali And the nigga was like You know I had nothing to do with that And he ran through the back door He had the light of fluid and the light. So daylight had to improvise and like rip some of his clothes off and just fall on the floor.

But he was going to light himself on fire, bro. I should have let him do it. We should have let him do it. I don't know if there will be a handsombed ballroom anyway. No, I think he saved a lot of people's lives. You should have to do it. You have the fire motion. It's crazy. Look at what Matt Kemp.

Look at what Maddie and why. Look at what Matt stop. Like, yo, yeah, we should have let him do it. Look at back. We should have that dick to do it. Smokey the battle rapper, you heard. Did any, like, all right, he had the lighter fluid. Was there a fire extinguisher in sight at all?

Yeah, like, I just don't understand. Back in those days, I don't think. He ain't think that far. He ain't think that far. Daylight didn't think that far. He didn't talk to the pyro expert about that. But what's your, what's your, what his, why he thinks we didn't like him. We still never got to that.

Math talking shit. I'm not talking shit. Matthew, you think I don't fuck with you? Yeah. You think I don't like you? Yo, I've been waiting on a date for y'all. come on the pod for 17, 17 years, bro. No, I know you have.

17 years. No, you have not. 17 years, bro. No, you have not, man. This thing is talking. Every time I talk to Mecca, I said, we're ready when y'all are. And I talk to Mecca pretty often.

And this was back. We're talking to Mecca for? He was on the show, and that's my man's. You're not a day like, cool. But I, okay. That's like a personal friend of his. Yeah. No, I'm saying, like, talking to me would have made it happen.

Fair. You know what I mean? But I mean, I would run. into somebody from the show more often. So I was always like, you know, he's more happy to come up there. But we probably supported it on social media, on our pod. That's where I'm like, we ain't fuck with you as crazy. We was championing.

You made shit before it. There's no way to happen. Because I blamed y'all for what happened with, you know, these guys. Why you blamed us? Because I felt like people saw what y'all did and felt like we could recreate that. Oh, that's what they felt like on your platform. Right. Yeah, but it was different with us, though.

Yeah, totally different. The business was different. But they didn't see it. Okay, yeah, yeah. You dig what I'm saying? Totally different. Like, your situation is like, y'all started as friends. Right.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Y'all started together. And no, not only that, but just the business side of it was totally different as well. Right. By the time these guys got on the platform, they was like the third cast. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It was only there for nine months.

And the show was already three years old. Right. So. But I mean, do you feel like they contributed in that time, though, in a positive way? Definitely. I feel like everybody was, to the most part, everybody was doing what they was supposed to be doing until they wasn't. And, you know, sometimes shit works out. Sometimes shit don't work out.

For me, I got trust issues. You know what I mean? You're talking to somebody that got jumped in high school and, When I went back to take the state test, I saw my cousin hanging with the niggas that jumped me. So, like, and this is still a cousin that I got locked up later on, later on for because he got stabbed when we was fighting some blood niggers over beating up a homeless nigga.

Okay, so we saw some blood niggas beating up a homeless nigga. We intervened. My cousin wildthorn him. So it was on and popping, you know, Eastern Parkway in Utica. One of these guys tried to stab me. My cousin stepped in the way. He took the jug. I didn't know until we got back to the crib, and he lifted his shirt,

and I seen the blood pouring out, and every time he took a breath, it will bubble. Now, being the, this is the same cousin that, you know, back in the days, did whatever. I still took my ass to where them niggas was at by myself with nothing but a bottle. Cops thought I had a gun and I ran down on a whole set. And cops popped up, freeze, drop the gun. I have a gun. I had a bottle that I broke in a T-shirt. So for me, loyalty is something is different.

Serious for you. It's serious for me. And when you start to play with that or you start to do things that I don't understand, like it takes me to some place where it's like, yo, okay, I'm not, I'm not going through this with you because you're not blood, you're not family, you know what mean? Right. I'm going to just clip this.

Right. Man, if you ain't man enough to explain yourself, that's what it is. Mm-hmm. Like, so in that situation, I just felt like niggis was doing some weird shit at the wrong time. But weird in regards to what though. Yeah, what do you feel was disloyal? Okay, Funkmaster Flex issues me a challenge.

I'm like, yes, I get to music. I'm surrounded by so-called music guys. Right. We go to the studio, everybody's giving me, like, opposite advice from what I feel. Okay. I believe in myself. So I said, you know what, I like this record.

I'm going to send this record. Sent the record. New York City? this is what New York sounds like laugh if I see you my brother one of the proudest moments in my life might not mean shit the other people

Right but growing up in New York Your master flex dropping a bar That's what's that Yeah It's monumental shit And then after that a nigga taps me and say Yo Give me 5,000

I could get clue to play it Wait who said that Well also that's illegal So that's a legend Oh, okay. Then I see Clue in the club, he don't know nothing about it. Oh, I'm like, strike one. Okay, okay, okay.

Strike one. Got you. You know, the show started, like, the numbers started picking up crazy. We had a, no, I saved that at Strike 3. So I'm like, yo, let's see if we get a situation. Yo, my man, we plugged in at Revolt. this then and third ah,

let's go have a lunch me, sit down, yo, it's my brother, math, and you know, this then da-da-da-da-da.

I'm like, all right, cool, all right, it's your brother? All right. All right. I'm mad. Nigg introduced me

to Jay Reid. If y'all don't know who Jay Reid is, that's fucking hilarious. If y'all know who Jay Reid is. So Jay Reid sends me what's supposed to be a revolt contract. Okay.

I'm, Looking at the numbers, I'm like, this shit don't make no sense. Like, we're doing better than this right now. Like, what? Like, 2021? Yeah, like 2020, no, 20, 20, maybe. Whatever year they left. It was like two, three years ago.

Yeah, they've been going like three years now. Crazy. Anyway. So I'm looking at the contract. I'm like, what the fuck is this? This shit don't make no sense. call them like, yo, first of all,

they tried to manage me. I'm like, y'all niggas ever manage a podcast before? Never, right? Okay, so why y'all trying to manage it? All right, whatever. And I'm like, yo, son, this shit,

this shit seemed walking. So shout out to my man, Smitty running city. Smithy, CEO, Smitty. I talked to him about it. He was like, yo, you're trying to get the puff? They go, hold on.

Give me on the phone. We talked. send me to DM. I got his number. He's on the line. He's like, yo, Dion, whatever they want, just figure it out to make it happen. So I'm like, all right, cool.

This is you DM and Puff. Right. Okay. So Puff plugs me in with Dion. Shout out to Deion. Great dude. He gave me some great advice. I didn't listen to it that yet.

Don't worry, my nigga. We're going to make it right, right? So I say, yo, I got a contract from y'all from before. From da-da-da-da-da. He says, I don't know who the fuck that is Stop talking to them immediately

Puff says this No, Dionne says it So I'm like And it was supposed to be a revoked contract That you were looking at Oh Strike 2 Oh

Strike 2 Okay Third strike Sorry to cut you off Did you speak to them about that after though Like after you got that And it's always man I don't know what they're doing

Man I don't know what they doing But we'll do the math for that later. So third strike bag fuel was supposed to and I don't even like talking about this but you know let me explain

it. Bag fuel was a show that they stopped. I'm like yo let's focus on this shit. Me and homie had a falling out and Heineken talked me into bringing them back. Energy was still kind of off.

So one day Trying to get in contact with them To shoot an episode Because you know how it be sometimes Somebody come in town And they'd be like Yo, I got from this time to this time Yeah, yeah

And you're like, yo, the team Can we make this happen? Last minute audible, yeah So I'm getting to the point Where I'm calling Three niggas ain't picking up I'm like, yo, we're trying to get the They're not picking up

Why are you saying nothing? Then I've seen a clip of Bagfield, the show that was supposed to be stopped, go up. I'll call Hineken and I'm like, yo, this a brand new clip? Yeah, it was Esso's idea. Like, all right, so I'm negotiating

with revolt. Damn they're begging Puff and, um, Dian for more bread so everybody could be situated and y'all doing this? So for me, it's like, I don't understand it. Yeah. I didn't understand it.

And maybe I didn't have the communication skills at the time to sit down and say, like, I don't understand this, explain it to me. Okay. But I never got a call. Nobody ever hit me up to say, yo, this is what happened. I just cut ties. I cut ties because I just felt like, yo, bro, I can't trust this situation.

Yeah, so you, based on the previous things that was happening, you find out that that contract, nobody from that side, ever even heard of that, and was like, so that was the final straw for you. Right. Okay. And to be honest, like doing homework, we're talking about somebody, somebody almost lost their life doing shit like that. I don't got to say no names.

They know who it is. But doing shit like that, you already almost died before. What he doing? What are he doing? Make it make sense. So for me, it just felt like before I lock in with these guys in a contract where I have to deal with, I'm going to just cut. Okay.

I mean, I like the fact that you took some accountability and saying maybe your communication, you know, you could have done something different, but you were already kind of like feeling some way because things were happening. And then that was another move that you kind of felt like, oh, y'all are doing funny shit while I'm over here trying to make sure we all good. So let me just before we lock in the contract and then now we contractually have to be around each other, have to do the show together. Let me just kind of.

Cut ties. Okay. Cut ties. But where does MEC falling and all of that? He was here. He kind of felt like, he was like, yo, he showed up one day. The lights was off in the shop. He didn't know what was going on.

He was like, yo, I just would show up whenever they told me to show up. Like, mech stance was really like y'all was just there to work. I didn't really know nothing about the business side of it. Whenever Math would say, yo, pull up, pull up, I pulled up. He said what the public knows is what he knew. I kind of rather not speak on Meck. Because we haven't spoken in like nine months. But why not?

Why do you mean just reach out and just have a conversation? It's not by my doing. Okay. You dig? So, and again, for me, just certain signs like I come from a lifestyle where hanging around, hanging around people that hang around other people could mean your life. Absolutely. So when I see certain things, like certain engagements, it just, it takes me back to times

where I'm like, I trusted this nigga and I walked in and they set me up. Right. You know what I mean? And maybe that's something I need to work on. because like this ain't the streets. It's seen. Yeah. But but but but you know what I mean.

From where we from no math. That's called moral is in there. Right. It's called trauma. Right. And you still have a lot of trauma. You still holding in a lot of trauma from, you know, growing up in a certain environment, going through certain things, which is, you know, unfortunately a part of a lot of our lives.

But like you said, this is something. Now this is business. And this is, you know, you have to communicate differently. You have to handle conflict or what seems to be conflict different. but that not just you, everybody. Everybody involved has to handle things differently and has to treat things like business. But certain things that you're saying, I totally understand now that I'm hearing this story. I understand where you're coming from now.

Like, okay, you were looking at things and keeping certain moves and getting information from another side where it wasn't adding up to the information that people that are directly next to you are giving you. And now you're like, wait, hold up. That's not what y'all just told me. Like now it's like funny shit happening. They don't revolt, never even heard of this thing. Right. Who's taking accountability for this?

Right. Am I supposed to forget that this happened? Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, if, if MEC hit you tomorrow, would that be a conversation you would have at this point? Yeah, I mean, I've been, I've reached out. But, you know, everybody has their own trauma.

That's what I'm realizing. So whatever his reasons, for not speaking to me, y'all. Okay, all right, cool. If I reach out and you choose, like, it's not time for you yet, all right. It's not too special. Yeah.

You know what I mean? But for me, I just need people to understand how my mind works and how I interpret certain moves. And it's like how it affects me. Like, I feel like you look at somebody like 50 cents. But loyalty for him must be a really serious thing. Because at some point it meant life for death. I kind of see things the same way.

And I realized like throughout the years, I've been moving like that. Like even in battle rap, you doing what? You're hanging with who? I don't fucking. I ain't fuck with them niggas. You know what I mean? So, you know, if niggas is watching this, I just hope they understand that side of me.

Did what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, I get it. And, you know, you're breaking it down like that, It definitely gives me some clarity on the whole situation and talking to, you know, bag fuel, like hearing that side of it and then now hearing your side. Like, I get it. It does seem like it literally was miscommunication based off of personal feelings and trauma

that causes you to kind of like isolate and be like, I'm cutting that off. I'm not dealing with that. I'm not going down that road because I know where that could lead if it's funny shit happening. And I don't want it to go there. Right. So you just rather just fuck it. I'm not fucking with nobody. This shit is weird.

Yeah. You're doing weird shit. You're doing sneaky shit. I can't get with that. Yeah. No, I put it on the table, bro, if you feel this way. You know what I'm saying? Let's be men about it.

Let's be men about it. If it's the money, ask me for a raise. That never happened. Right. That never happened. So how's it the money? It's not the money. Yeah.

Yeah. I sat across from them at Angela Yeas. And I was like, yo, y'all said something about the money. That da, da, da, da. And the first thing that. came out was it was never about the money. I thought we was friends. If we're friends, then what's up with this?

Right, right. Yeah. That's not friendly. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Now, I'm not going to lie. You was definitely, you know, when you started your podcast, you know, based off of just

your history and battle rap, for you to have the success that you had in podcasting, it was dope to see because I'm like, you know, Matt, you had the, you had the moniker of, he's the bully of battle rap. He's going to come in and he might fuck the event up. this, that's the third, but then seeing my expert opinion and the way you were on there, the way you carried yourself, the way you were having conversations,

the people that you had on, it was a whole different side of you that I think that battle rap fans that found you did battle rap, they never really got to see. They never knew that you had that side of you of like, okay, Maff could sit down and not fuck the room up and have a healthy conversation. Like I said, I think people misunderstand,

you know, you see something from afar, you don't know what it is. Yeah. up close to it. Now it's up close and personal. Right. Now it's just not me versus your favorite battle rapper. You've got to share against me.

It's me sitting across from your favorite rapper. We're having a conversation. Right. Yeah. Right. So you get to see a different side. It's not really a bully persona. I'm a protector.

One of my earliest memories is me trying to fight a dude off my mom's because he was trying to rape her. You deal what I'm saying? Like up until the last time I even had to get active on anybody to a female out with my girl

and some guys touching her inappropriately. That could go wrong. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you got the podcast you shouldn't be out of the streets doing this. But I'm a protector

and I've always felt like I'm not going to allow anybody to do nothing. I'm not going to allow any people, give, give niggas space or make niggas do funny shit. To harm anybody on. Right.

Right. So, I don't know. If you understand it, you understand it. No, I listen, bro. A lot of this that you, we're talking about, I had no idea, but it's giving me a lot of clarity on a lot of things. But I do like the fact that you recognize because that's a big part of it. And when did you start to recognize that? That it is Trump.

Just looking back, because it's a reoccurring thing that happened in my life. Mm. Reoccurring where it'll be me and a group of people and then it'll be me by myself. It'll be me in a group of people, then it be me by myself. And just looking back, like, how did I judge this? Mm-hmm. How do other people judge this? Okay, they don't understand that I see it this way.

The only people I understand that is, niggins that they've been through certain shit. Like, nah, I'm going to fuck with that. Like, the street niggas around me is like, nah, fuck me, fuck me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, yo, but I guess this is something different. But in a way, it's not. Because the same way that I could be open about certain shit, I feel like other people should be too. Right, right.

So if I'm reaching out to you, you got a problem. Let's talk about it. Right. I shouldn't be sitting downstairs a quad for hours and you're not answering your phone. You dig what I'm saying? Yeah.

Because for somebody like now, you start to thinking. Yeah. The mind starts going different places like, yo, what's happening? What's up? Yeah, like now you're going into... What's the plan? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, it's just this year and I got to think, I got to thank God. I got to thank God because that's part of it. That's what gives you that understanding, that strength. Because going through stuff like that, you feel alone. You feel, you know what I mean? Not necessarily a victim, but you're like, damn, I got to handle this shit or deal with this shit on my own.

And this year has been a crazy year for me. crazy year. Both personal and business? Both personal and business. Health-wise, I find out stuff about my health that requires urgent attention. You think what I'm saying? Yeah. The end of last year, me and my wife, she didn't have a ring on because this is my wife.

We lost a child. It was just a rough. party then condolences. The lights going out in the shop is just like, they get stopped. It's just like God telling me, stop, stop. Look around, she's falling apart, stop. You think about this, you try to keep this going,

go take care of that. You know what I mean? So for everybody else, because I haven't been his vocal, because I'm not the type to go vent. I don't trust people. You know what I mean? Even saying this shit right now, it's like, I might ask y'all to delete something later.

Well, no, it's appreciated that you're sharing it. You think what I'm saying? So I don't trust things I don't vent. So they look at it like, Maff just, he just on his own shit. Everybody deals with their own shit. That's what I'm realizing. Like, whatever they was going through at the time, maybe.

Yeah, yeah. Maybe it was some rough shit. And they couldn't talk about it. Yeah, yeah. That's a real way. That's a real way looking at. That's also what was kind of rough sometimes with this podcast and shit where you are so open about your life,

but there's certain shit I got to keep to myself. Y'all may not understand in the comments what the fuck I'm going through at the time. Everyone judgmental of every move you making. It's like, you don't even know what I'm dealing with on the other side in my life. Here's another way. Because you think I put everything out on a microphone. No, I don't. The shit that I'm going through that I would never fucking tell you about.

Here's another layer to it all. And I do appreciate you, man, but getting so vulnerable with us. But the very interesting thing about you, Matt, is you come from a world where they'll weaponize your trauma against you. Yeah, definitely. And battle rap. Definitely. They'll hear you say something to be like, what?

Of course. This episode is two rounds. This episode is two rounds. What you're saying is real shit, though. Right. This is two rounds. Right. This episode is two rounds.

But the fact that you're at a place now in your life where. you like, because like you just said, we all got our shit. Yeah. We all going through shit. People watching right now. All going.

Somebody's like, yeah, I was dead. And somebody is hearing this and saying, damn, after is this dude that always got this persona. But he, he dealing with real shit too. He going through real shit too.

And you saying that that's God cutting the lights off. It's powerful, bro, because that's real. Like, yo, bro, relax. Sit down. Go hand. do this. This is more important.

So I just appreciate you understanding that and, you know, to know that you're looking at it like that in that perspective is very healthy. You're looking at it from a very, very healthy point of view, a very healthy perspective. You have to. You have to, man, because, listen, this is

otherwise what the fuck do you end up? What outlets are you using to process that type of stuff? I'm not saying publicly any like that. Like, how are you with everything that's going you've gone through this year? I have some good mentorship. That's good.

Some good mentorship. People that keep me level-headed. People don't understand like the episodes I've been doing, they call him bucket hat, man, but Uncle Seth. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uncle Seth is like, when I'm going through shit and he just, listen, man, look, you're doing it to yourself, man. Right.

You know, like, why are you even stressing about that, man? Right. You don't forget you did this and you did that, da, that. And I sometimes need to hear that. How long have you had a relationship? Me and Seth, about 12 years now. Oh, good. Yeah.

Like somebody you really know. Yeah. Okay. My girl, my kids, you know, thank God for my daughters. Mm-hmm. Because they- You a girl dad? Yeah, I'm a girl dad. What you're talking about?

You don't know that? I thought you don't have no sons? Yeah, I got two sons. Okay, okay, okay. Two sons, two girls. Okay, okay. I thought you just had an old girl. Right.

Nah, girl dad. Mm-hmm. Love my girls, man. Yeah. Yeah. Again, protective. Yeah. Protect it.

Yeah. I was worried about that too. Like, fuck. Yeah. How do they do everything just being on the internet at all fucking times? Pootie. Pootie sees the shit. My daughter, she don't go looking up my shit.

Okay. Pudy's like. She's the recent. Search it. Talk about my dad. You know what I'm saying? Pootie's a protective. Yes, Pootie is the second me.

Yeah. He's the second me. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I realize like my purpose at this point is making sure they're good. Absolutely. And that comes first and foremost. Absolutely.

Above everything. Well, well, first I got to make sure I'm good because if I ain't good, I can't raise it. Right. But once I put myself back in that perspective, it's helped me. Like, okay, now I can, I'm going to the shop and I'm doing episodes. This is the purpose. You know what I'm saying?

Before it was like I kind of lost that. I kind of lost that. But I got it back. At what point you felt like you lost it? You're saying more the passion of even wanting to do the shit? Yeah. Yeah. You've had that talk of not wanting to do it?

Yes. I honestly wanted to get to the point where other people go host the show. Okay. And I just fade into the background. Because for me, it's years of stuff. But when we lost a kid, I was telling people, I was like, yo, I'm not, mentally I'm out of here. Absolutely not. I'm wearing a fucking mask right now.

Absolutely. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I don't think they understood the depth of it. I think you would have to be apparent to understand what that feels like. Yeah. So, yeah. So there's a lot of misunderstandings between these situations.

Yeah. We commend it and have a reunion episode. Great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, if it set the point where, you know, you go your way, I go mine, I know I still have my purpose. Absolutely. And whatever your purpose is, I hope you're living in that.

And I wish dude's the best. Just don't use me anymore. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. That makes total sense. That makes total sense. I understand that.

I mean, shit, with all that perspective and that hindsight, what's the direction of the show now? Because, you know, you went through different cash. You went through everything that you were going through personally. I love you. I love you got a lot of the battle rap guys on. Yeah. I love that. I think Zip should be a reoccurring character on everything.

Hell, Zip is one of the greatest personalities of all times. Zip is hilarious. That's the pod to me as you and Zip. You and Zip are the Perf because y'all, y'all are like ying and yang, but like y'all are also so similar in a lot of ways. And Zip's just a good dude, too. I think Zip is a star. Oh, Zip is a star. Zip is a star.

And I think that y'all can both help each other in ways that y'all not even, y'all don't even recognize yet. I mean, I would love to. Matter of fact, I don't have a problem with helping sit. Yeah. You know what I mean? He texts me, he asked me about equipment and all that shit. Yeah, yeah. And I'll tell him.

Yeah. This is a nigga that said that I got pistol, punched in the face and the thing I took my gun and I got pistol. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I love the fact that you were able to sit down. Yeah, that shit wasn't about nothing. You see what I'm saying?

Like, I love that part of it. Right. Like, once I saw y'all sitting down, I was like, I love this shit. Which I will give math credit. People do do that bully mentality with him. He battled dose again. Like, you've done a lot of redemption shit. Right.

that I feel like people overlook in that regard. You know, what's the best story? Not a big of an asshole, I feel like people make you out to be some time. Definitely not. They're like, when I see niggins, when I see niggins, he's a little bit small. He has a redempting qualities in some of the thing. He's a medium, man.

He's still a dick, but like, it's some redempting qualities here. But we forget that a lot of the time, the internet, you know, and YouTube and things and social media comments, like, a lot of these people really don't come from, you know, the place we come from. So somebody like me from where I'm from and then where you from, I'm looking at you, I understand it. I get it. I'm like, nigga, I grew up with niggas like this.

Like I know math is not a bad guy. Like I tell me, I'm like, you know, math ain't a bad guy. Math ain't going to let you just do anything and just, you know, just fuck him over. And, you know, he ain't going to let that happen either. You see how adamant I was about the, yo, you're going to give me a date with y'all coming on the show. Even with that. I was wondering why we wasn't invited to the, what they call it, the slaughterhouse of podcasting? Oh,

Potter House Potter House. Potter House. It's all good. I got cut out of it. I got cut out of it. But this is why math is funny because if math would say shit

like, I'm like, yo, Maff, we're going to do the show. Like, we definitely coming to do it. And I'm thinking,

if you know me, you know, if I say that, because I don't do interviews nowhere. Right. So if I tell you, I'm coming to do an interview

with you. You know, for last year, I said anytime you ready, I'm ready to do that's like, we're going to do math. But math, but because math don't know

And Maff's still thinking, again, it's industry shit. He like, but nigger win. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, yo, Matt, I got to get. I'm getting Queens flipping Joe button flashbacks. No, no, no, no. What happened? Never, never, never that.

What happened? We definitely, we definitely coming on to do your shit because. Don't we was homies. Yeah, no, definitely. We definitely coming to do my ex with opinion because, again, we just, we fuck with what you doing. And I love the way you came back bringing the battle rap guys. I don't have it.

I love the conversation you and Goods had. Yeah, it was great. I love seeing y' guys. Talk and have the conversation y'all had. Part of the redemption thing. Absolutely. Explaining it. Yes.

Having the conversation. That's what I had to do. Explain. Let me explain. Right. Right. Right. And I think you doing that, going that angle with it, especially with the guys that you

didn't went to wars with and have years of, you know, just back and forth. Let's sit down and have a conversation and let's talk about it because we all older. We all men now. We all have families. We all trying to take care of our families. All trying to protect our families and things like that. So seeing you have those conversations, I'm not going to lie. I fuck with that, man.

That's like some super dope shit you're doing. I thought it's necessary. Absolutely. It's necessary. I might not be the most knowledgeable person about the music industry or, you know, half of the topics that most podcasts talk about. But one thing I understand is that these conversations become an example for you. Yeah. Sure.

Yeah. And if you watch me and you're a Mav Hafer fan and you've been following me for years and You see me do that. Maybe it might influence you to do that in your own life. Exactly. You know what I mean? Exactly. So that's my contribution to my audience.

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No, no, no, no. Let me land it. Yeah. We were talking about Hitman versus Mook in that third round from Hitman when he was bringing up the allegations. And I was saying the difference between the response of how everyone looked at hollow fucking crazy

after that third round versus how nobody gave a fuck about the allegations about Moor. was one of the wildest things I've seen in battle rap. And I'm a battle rap casual fan. Because I know that the hardcore fans would kill me if they ever said I'm a fan. I'm not like y'all.

I'm a casual fan. I love battle rap, but I'm not that deep into it. But I have to give some pushback and criticism of that fan base. Like, y'all didn't give a fuck about that third round. And listen, everything Hollow did that you said was some foul-ass shit.

You smoked that round from a creative, but to a fact level was crazy. Everyone was like, yo, Hollow's foul as fuck. I didn't see one person say what it's foul. I'm going to tell you why. All right. The difference between hitman crafting around like that and me crafted around like that is

Hollow's whole image was loyalty over money. So, Bram. So if you're going to battle Hollow and you attack his loyalty, the fans are going to give you that that's the point. Right. Murder Mook was never out here like, I'm the best husband. Easy. You know what I'm saying?

I shouldn't laugh because of the word. What, fucking. Phenomenal dad. He wasn't doing that. Easy. He wasn't doing that. You shout out the Mook. That's what I'm digging, man.

He wasn't doing it. that so so one we when we hear it is like one is the people that's skeptical yeah is it real yeah and two it's like is this going to win you this battle mm like I feel like what hitman did was kind of like what I call it dem mock the deaf touch yeah like he's gonna walk away but maybe he's gonna battle somebody down the line right that's gonna know how to take that information and use it against him the right way. The way Hitman did it, it was like, all right, you're not going to win the battle like this, bro. Nobody believed that he was the greatest dad.

We saw him getting arrested. Yeah. You're just kind of telling us what we saw already. Like, you know what I mean? We saw him in the crib like, okay, all right. Nobody thought Moop was like the best dad in the world. So you got anything else for us? And it was like, nah.

Yeah, I get that. I guess the last question I want to ask is what I've seen recently from just pod fans is that you're focused more on music than you are on podcasting. And people may want more potting from you than music, just of what Internet comments is. But it's just Internet comments. Is that more your focus? Or is potting more your focus?

It's hard for me to accept that rap. it's like a hobby now it's hard to accept that you know what I think that's the beautiful thing though it's not beautiful if you're still dreaming about

rocking stadiums this year you wake up and you're like oh I'm a podcast you're like oh I'm a podcast you know what I'm saying it's not the same

we fucking we sit here and gossip you know shout out to platinum shout out the S5 I pretty much paid their rent for two years. Yeah. Because I love creating music.

I don't think people really, they never really seen me in that element. Like, you know what I mean? I bring in multiple producers and have shit orchestrated in it. Yeah. And, you know, I got 180 records sitting around a ton of features I haven't released. I got to get over this fucking complex. But in a way, I also have to accept that this is the primary job. But to me that's perspective.

I think that's actually the blessing of the whole shit where rap being a hobby should be looked at as a positive thing. Where you could keep your overhead and your bills and make sure your kids are good based off doing the pod shit. Now you got free range to do what the fuck you want with music. You don't got to chase shit. You don't have to fucking,

I got to make this type of song because this is what's going to be profitable. I think that puts you in the best position ever to make music because it's not your livelihood. Like to me, that's the blessing. Like, thank God I could be a podcaster so I could finally not look at music as it has to be a monetary value thing in this process. You could create from a place.

I can do what the fuck I want to do. I'm just creating and not from a place of like, you know, surviving. Like, I got to do this to make money and to survive and live. Like, you can create from a space of, you know, I just want to have fun with this shit and create dope music. But then for me, there's somebody connected to, to my music, and I want to shout out my bro hands. I told hands years ago,

I'm talking about early NYB days, battling wrecks, all that shit. I said, yo, if I ever got in a position where I can introduce you to the world, I'm gonna do it. So when the podcast started picking up, I started the label, D ofG Records, and I signed my bro. And we've been all over the place recording and all that. When he got stage four,

When he found out that he had stage four cancer, it threw me. But he's fighting and he's beating the shit. So hopefully we'll get his music out soon. But, you know, it's a different, I'm connected to people that I feel like I have to do it for. So it can't just be a hobby, right? And Hans is like, he's like the locks rolled up in one person. Brooklyn? Yeah.

Brooklyn Hands. I'm about to say, I feel like I heard it. This, this. Hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. R.J. Payne to me is like Hans Jr. Okay.

Really? Yeah, really. Because that pain, no. Yeah. The first thing that came was hands. And the vocal tone and all that, I'm telling you. Like, you have to check them out. Yeah.

RJ, you get mad at me if you want. You can't smoke neither one of us. So what you're going to do? Pain is nice now, man. What's you going to do? You know pain is one of them dudes. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool.

He dissed me a long time ago. It was so corny. Oh, my God. This thing shot a video. He had on a three-quarter leather vest with no shirt. Look like a lost jodicy member. He went in the part where he dissed me. He threw a center block into a puddle.

What? You're lucky you took that shit down off the end of that, digger. You are so. lucky. Yo, that got to be funny, though. Like, reliving, like, the moments where you got this, like, as you old and we're like, yo, what the fuck was that? Because in my mind, I'm still picturing this center block fall in a puddle in slow motion

and it just splash. And I'm like, what the fuck this got to do with me, dog? The fuck does this mean? Yo, this is somebody. Like, that art form of dissing each other is so crazy when you go. go back and just look at shit and be like, what was that? Yeah, what was that? Rain Man.

What was that, Rain Man? Yeah, they don't remember when he was. They don't know he was Rain Man. Yeah, Rain Man took a shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Three-quarter leather vest and no shirt. I got it to Matt while he's here. I've had, so I have a two-year-old daughter, right?

And sometimes I like, you know, sleep next to her crib with it open just so she could go to sleep with me there. But I put my AirPod in. So I put on like a podcast Sometimes that shit help me go to sleep So I put on some of y'all shit And then you know You can't really do the algorithm shit

So sometimes I'll go back to an old math episode So I'll be halfway I already know And it'll be trap rapper turn trap I fucking I'm terrified It's hopper I get thousands of complaints about that gunshot

Yeah, yeah. Only smack rapper. And then I'd be feeling bad for Meck. Because Meck claims being that he is a backpacker. And I'm like, damn, Matt is lying in his rhymes. He hanged with the backpackers. Not no more. No, the amount of times I've jumped up next to my daughter's crib,

based off that first part when it goes from one interview of the next. Did it wake you up at a good time? Was she up looking at you? No, she was asleep. I was trying to make sure I wasn't getting shot. I think they'd get into cringe. Yo, Matt, let's talk about somebody like we just finished saying Smack, man. The importance of Smack, not just to battle rap culture, but to our culture, period.

And what he's been able to do for years coming from the DVD era to now having the caffeine app and things like that, what he's doing with the, how important is it that we continue to support people like Smack that have been. doing it for so many years and have created so many opportunities for people in the culture. I think it's very important. But at the same time, I think it's important to support the culture, period. Yeah. Shout out to Smack. I was one of the battle rappers on the DVD. Absolutely.

Battling Iron Solomon. I had it. I had the DVD. Of course, the viral shit with dose. And... One time I actually feel like you were not wrong whatsoever. One time. Which time?

the dose one. Okay. The serious thing I think I was like, you could have chills. Have you ever met him? No. That's actually hilarious. You know what? That's a hilarious response, which I respect.

Like, you don't, you know what I get? Because of that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was fair. But no, the dose shit, when everyone was whiling out back in the day, and that was like, you know, somebody put their whole fucking brim of their hat in your nose. You're not going to hit him?

Yeah, absolutely. Gave me to Scotty Pippetford. How was he walking? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's very important because I feel like battle rap in a way smack U.S. all other battle leagues support lyricism. And we can't let this shit die, bro. We just can't. We grew up loving the bars and something happened to you chemically.

Your mind expanded when you heard a dope bar or you figured out a complex. metaphor. Right. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And it takes a level of intelligence, and I feel like there's a, there's a lot of motherfuckers, depending on who you listen to as far as rap, like, I kind of tell, like, where you at mentally.

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? That's why I think a lot of great lyricists have became good podcasters. And not only that. It made sense why your shit popped. Fuck podcasting. It's the same part of the brain. Why a lot of great lyricists have become great businessman.

Mm. Mm. So I feel like this is an element that needs to stay. Now, when I say support all leagues, because there's only so much smack can do, and there's a lot of talent. So sometimes you need a RBE, you need a TBL. You need these other leagues that's like going to keep shit going.

You know what I mean? So yeah, smack, shout out to smack. What he did, I was the first battle on URL. me and Rex. Yep. So to see where it is, now it's like incredible, incredible. They've been trying to get me to come back. You ain't going to jump back in the ring?

I've been thinking about it. Who would it be? Yeah. But after this episode, I don't know if I want to hear this shit back, you know. No, man, listen, man. Because you got, you got, like you said, you got a lot of shit on other niggas too that you can go home and start crafting too. Yeah.

But who was the one battle that you would jump out there for, like, yeah, we got to do this. Like, who's the one guy that you would be like, all right, for him, because we know it'd be big, it'll be a moment. Jada kiss. Oh, so you're not even going to go. Yeah, just do you, right? Yeah, like, I'm, wait, hold up.

Just do you. Like, I wasn't expecting you to say, yeah, like, kiss. I was like a, 10 million? Yeah. Jada? I mean, yeah. But, all right, seriously, because I don't think Jada would have to do that. Yeah, I don't think he's in that moment.

I would love, however, the legend's only thing that I did with Method Man and Nicky Jam, I would love, like, because I know there's a, like, I interviewed Ghostface and Ray last night. And Ghostface wants to do that shit. He want to jump in the ring. He wants to do that shit. Ray was like, kind of like, you know, man, you know? Yeah. You know what I mean? They're 10 million, you know what I mean?

Yeah. But I feel like there's a lot of rappers just like, yo. I would love to put myself to that type of challenge. I feel like the Legends Only shit is like, it's more artistic than your career is over after. Yeah. It's almost like Big Three type of thing with the NBA, yeah. And it's this, like, half of the guests that I've had on the show

watch Battle Rap. And that's why I was able to get them. You know what I mean? So I would love to do something like that. Like, oh, make that. Goldface makes sense because battle rap, like you said, when you battle wrecks on your RL the first. Where battle rap was there,

you know, you came up where battling was different than it is now. Now it's more like spoken word poetry. It's a lot more theatrics into it and things like that. You come from straight going to somebody block. Let me hear your boss. So somebody like ghosts is very animated. He has a lot of character. He has a lot of personality.

He makes sense in that ring because. Because what people like to see today in battle rap, Ghostface has been that probably his entire career. He also has one of the clearest voices ever, like where Ray has like an unorthodox flow and that would be, that may be weird on the stage. Ghost, like he's made for the URL stage now. He wanna snap, he wanna crack Joe.

Yeah, like, and Ghost is made for that. Whatever y'all do, don't battle Ray Quorn. Oh no, I'm not trying to just speak Ray Quorn whatsoever. The shit that he said on the show about what type but battle rap, he will be, don't battle Rayquins, do not battle Rayquan. That's all I'm saying.

Are we going to do voicemails with math? All right, so, so mav, we got call us that call and leave voicemails. They ask for advice, ask crazy shit, so we're going to do one with you. We could all give them some advice together. Oh, that's dope. You've got mail. So I was born with a defect that pretty much makes it impossible for me to get

erections because I have a leak in my veins and down there. So when the blood pumps it, it just comes right back out. So you can't get erections, obviously, because blood flow doesn't stay where it needs to stay. And so I try to get surgery on it done to try to tie the vein up. You know, pause this thing, man. Like we still, why I'm still playing this, bro?

I want to hit. What the fuck is he asking, y'all? Why the fuck is he asking, y'all? He's like, you know, he's, you know, he's setting the shot. Low Key, that niggins is like, Yeah, these niggas look like they got erectile dysfunction or they went through something. Let me ask these niggas. I got to hear him land the point.

Yeah, let me hear how you finish this one. They look erectile dysfunction. They said my real last option is trying to get a prosthetic. He about to buy a strap on. It's not this guy. Penis. Because when you get the prosthetic, you don't get any more natural erections. You still come.

and everything, and you still feel everything according to the doctors. But you don't get natural erections. And I feel like that's such an important part of being a man. It's just being able to get hard on, you know, the strap of it down. And maybe, D, would you, like, be with the guy that has a prosthetic penis? Like, if you knew about it, would that, like, deter you? All right, well, I want to apologize for laughing. I like the fact that he didn't mean to laugh about his condition.

It was my natural reaction. I apologize for laughing. Yes. It's not funny. Baby, dude, you can start with that. Let's not funny. Let me ask you all first. Don't ask me.

No, but he ended. Hold on. What should mean it's not funny? That shit is so laughing. That is not funny. What if your dick couldn't get hired? Would you think that was funny? I would be upset.

I wouldn't be calling on podcasts. I wouldn't be calling up. Let's start there. I wouldn't be the best kept secret in the world. Nigew would? The CIA wouldn't figure out my shit. It's still a secret because he called anonymously. We don't have his name.

He did say his name at the top. He said, from the DMV. He said his whole address. Get this nigger a honey pack, bro. What is going on? Sponsored by. Facts.

Word. See how this exists, nigga. Go. Yeah, I would have kept that to myself and just got the prosthetic and nobody would have ever known that would have just been my secret to the grave. Is it a prosthetic or is it a penis pump?

Like, do you have to squeeze your balls and pump it up? Oh, Lord. I don't even know what that means. Oh, Lord. What's this niggas name? Frank? What the fuck? What the...

That was a bad. a rap triple entendre. He's going to He should be ejaculate. Me personally, if you want to know if I would date somebody with a prosthetic, as long as it wasn't too weird looking

inside and as long as, I mean, you probably stay hard longer. Wait, what's a prosthetic dick, though? I really don't even know what the fuck that is. Like, that's what I'm saying, I don't think he's getting a prosthetic. Like, I think he's getting... Like, the way, like, when

soldiers come home after they get their leg blown off, like, is that version of a dick? Is Lieutenant Dan of Dicks? Yeah, it's the same... Yeah, what are you talking about, bro? But nah, if you can still feel it, though, he could do numbers, though.

He could do numbers. That's what I'm saying. If you think about that shit, that might be the best option. If you could still feel it still come and you, like, you brick all the time? Oh, it's an insertion of a prosthetic balloon device. Yeah, I knew it was a pump. In order to obtain an, okay, so. It's like a Reebok, like a Reebok.

You're pumping up your, it's like a Reebok pump. Okay. Pump, bump, pump, pump, pump. You squeeze the ball. I think you squeeze the first of all, that's your group potter off. Yeah, I don't know. I would have just got that shit

and not told nobody, man. Yeah, I think you squeeze the balls when you want to get hard. Like, it's like a punk. Oh, this is where we going. Okay. Yeah, sir. I would just say get it

and then don't tell nobody. Yeah, so fuck with no half flaccid dick. Like, we've been there before. That shit is ass. Yeah. It's half flaccid. What? That's when it's like not all the way.

A little smetium. Yeah. Like, you ain't all the way up. But you, you're all the way up. You're all right. You're right. through a keyhole. You get it done.

Be a lesbian, niggins. Just be a lesbian, be a lesbian. Be a lesbian. Lesbian. All right, math,

listen, man. We appreciate you. I didn't. No advice. No, we did. I said, get it. No.

One, we apologize for laughing. Two, yeah, get the surgery. And, you know, just get to it. Yeah.

Go crazy. Because now you could just get hard whenever you want, pause. Like, you good. Nick, name is Frank Little. I'm so sorry that we have to,

can you give me a, your question when Matt was here. Can you be a third round against against him with this information that you know? Oh my God. A battle rap? Find out a battle rap that got the prosthetic. You can't battle wrap and had the prosthetic and niggas find out. Yeah, because I heard Moog give Iron Solomon. Oh, I thought she's about to say something about you heard of Moog got what? Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I heard a whole round where Moog talked about Iron Solomon having one ball. Yeah, I wouldn't have spit that if I was Mook, I wouldn't, I would have been like, nah, that ain't know what I'm not going. That ain't an angle, right? Yeah, we ain't doing it. My nigga, like you're made, you're inadvertently making the crowd think about this niggins Genitalia, bro. Why?

And even just landing with how you got the ball stand next to me. He's like, I don't even know if it was worth that line. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't really worth it. And I mean, they should have done five rounds. Like, you know, Mook got some terrible angles, man. He's dope, but that didn't got some fucking terrible angles. Before we leave, give me your Mount Rushmore battle

at. Matha Hoffa, Matha, Matha, Matho, Matho, Matho, Matho, all right, the next mountain over. Yeah. Did I answer the question of who I would battle? Yeah, you said, um. Jada kiss and then and I wasn't really serious about the Jada kiss shit I did that shit I said that years ago and he kind of sent me a DM like the fuck this you talk yeah I did you know just that's just for kicks I would definitely I think murder mook would be the battle I say I'm going to do

I was hoping that would be the one that you did so that's the one I've yeah that would be from that that mook is more active I felt like you and him makes the most sense at this point with the history with y'all legacy that that that shit just makes just so many that's that's that's the one that that's so many years of battle rap history right there on like battling each other jesus like everyone's waiting again for part two of mook and and lux to me is is math and mook now in this era is the one that everybody would wait for i think i think where his pen is at now skipping over that iron solomon shit where his pen is at now that's what i would need to like really push myself you know what i mean and he's not i think i guess him man he sounded as much

he's not drinking he's still not drinking and i'm not drinking fire you know what i'm saying yeah we'd be too sober ass oh fire that he's so staged yeah that'd be crazy people try get me to the battle tay rock but i'm like tay you know i like tay But I just think with you and Mook, it's just more there. Yeah, because Tairaq doesn't even understand how bad of a matchup that is. Like, you're the guy who almost fights niggas versus... The guy that's documented... Like, stop, bro.

What are you going to say to me? Shut up. Shut up. Get somebody who'll hold you back. But I mean, shit. I also hear you on that because as much as I like Teyrock, hated when he was battling daylight and was appreciating his bars. I hated when Iron Solomon battled disaster and kept complimenting him. I just don't, I just don't like that type of shit.

It's supposed to be like, y'all are supposed, even if you're lying, if it's wrestling, hate each other. Yeah. Like, yeah, I think it's a fire bar too. And that's the problem. That's the problem for me. To be motivated, it's either got to be somebody who I feel like, yo, all right, I got to push the pin or I really don't like you. If I really don't like you, if I really don't like, you, you die. The battle is better. Yeah. You're dead.

Yeah. Well, Matt, we appreciate you, man. This conversation was beautiful, man. A lot of clarity. Yeah, man. This was long overdue. So we definitely... I appreciate y'all.

Yeah, man, I appreciate you. We definitely got to come. I don't know. Damn, we talked about so much real shit here. What the fuck can we talk about on Matt? Oh, no. It's going to be the reverse where we're on the therapy couch. Yeah.

No, no way. I come up with some. All right, that's fit. I go with some. The thumbnail should be the therapy session of Math. laying on the couch. That definitely was the third session for math. But seriously, math, man, I appreciate you just being vulnerable and having this conversation

with us, man. It was beautiful. I think that a lot of people are going to learn a lot from you, a different perspective of math, a different side of math. Love everything you're doing. Love to revamp the way you came back. Definitely keep bringing the guys from the battle culture on there and having those conversations because that to me is super fire.

Yeah. Seeing y'all sit down and have those conversations away from the battle. And yeah, we come to do your shit, so we'll see you in a minute. All right. I bet. Give me a date. We're all good. I'm that nigga.

He's just ginger. That's Maffa. Absolute. Be out of here. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me.

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