New Rory & MAL - Episode 417 | Over/Under

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

Before Rory hits the open sea on the Rock The Bells Cruise, we gotta talk about this NBA gambling scandal. Mal thinks Gilbert Arenas is the snitch that led to Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups being arrested by the FBI. Plus, Mal thinks Michael Jordan’s appearance on the NBA on NBC was AI, the World Series is more than just Blue Jays vs Dodgers, and today’s voicemail has us fessing up to our worst lies #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You came in here humming, singing, bouncing, dancing. Don't ask them that question at night. Did I have sex last night? Yeah. Oh, I didn't have sex. You came in here like Maddox, like, happy to be here. I try to do that.

Like, I try to, like, work myself up. To be happy? Yeah. I told you depression is real. You tried to deny it. No, I said depression was fake. You never heard me say it. I'm not depressed, what I'm just saying.

Like, you know, you got to do things. You just kind of get your, get the end of the morale going up. Yeah, it's Friday. That is true. That is true. All right. So Mall had sex last night, sponsored by Boost Mobile. I wish I had sex life.

You ain't have, you ain't booster? No, man. She didn't want unlimited talk, Texant matter. I told her. I told I had it for it. They would come to the house right now and give it a new iPhone, but she wasn't going for that. I know you'd be on your phone sometimes focused on other stuff,

but I always try to pay attention to Demaris and Pige, like pre-recording banter. Yeah. I just overheard that Demaris dubbed Pige for a nightcap, left him at the front step. I didn't dub him. He was like, oh, can I come upstairs? I was on the, well, the main reason was I was on FaceTime, and if I would have said, Pige, you want to come upstairs for a second

and got off the phone, that would have been a whole other issue. But he bought me food in the card. He bought me his key card. Yeah. So he bought you food, a key card. Yeah. And he couldn't come upstairs to get a little pickle tickle-tick. Well, I would have, but he-

I'm sorry. I mean. Pickle-tickle is crazy. So you didn't even invite. That's how it works, I thought, right? Yeah, yeah. You bring the key card. You just tickled.

So you didn't let him upstairs because. Oh, he didn't try. He was like, all right, well, I guess I was. You know it's awkward. He was like, all, I guess I'll see you. He wasn't confident. Pete, you got to step to your business, Pete. You got to let them know when you get to the door with the food.

Like, listen, dessert is right here. Yeah. This is food. This is the entree. Dessert, though, let me know. I can deliver that too. Wow. She on FaceTime.

Grab her phone, look at the dude and be like, she's with me now and hang up. Yeah, she's busy right now. She's call you back. And they hang up. Pease, that's all. Damn, you left my man, Pete's outside. I mean, yeah, you know, maybe next time. Pease next time.

You had come a little bit earlier. He came late night. It was like 11 p.m. I'm like, I don't know what kind of girl you think I am. You know what Pete was all. 11 o'clock. He was on his way out. But Pete should have seen the signs, though,

because Demaris has a key card. She asked him, bring me a key card at 11 p.m. I don't have a game. What you answered the door in. What you was wearing. Watch this. What I had on, Pete. What I had on Pete?

You see how fast she forget what she had on? She had on a little number. Yeah. What number you had on three? What number was that last day, baby, D3? What did I have on, Pete? And look at Pete, he remember, Peas, what she had on? A little nightdown, a little nightie?

Quick little robe over. You know, we throw the little robe over. You know, we throw the little robe. Yeah, but you showed a little late so he knew what time. Yeah. On the outside, it's giving like, you know, respectful. Underneath, though, it's party time underneath that road. Party time.

You know what's underneath that role, Pige. Nah. He just wait for a little breeze to hit up. And what's crazy is what the merits need a key card for when Pige is the first one at the studio? At 11 o'clock at night. What you need a key? Like, he could just let you in the studio in the morning. I had a meeting today and I took it here.

So I needed his key card. Gotcha. Yeah. I was here. I've been here since 9.30 a.m. We don't have to check the cameras. Yeah, definitely going to check the cameras. That's fine.

You mean about our demise or something? Possibly. You demise in, Nick? In our studio? God damn. In our studio is crazy. Yeah, niggas is like, oh yeah, when y'all take this shit down, I can put my shit up. Yeah.

No, little meetings be ruining pods. Oh, this is this type of day. Yeah, what's that happened to me? This is happening. Yeah, I already forgot to get on your ass about some shit you did on that live stream that I didn't know. Wait, what are you doing a live stream? We'll talk about it off air. Oh, shit.

They told me about it, though. It hit my, it hit my line. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I know what you did. No, it was funny, though. I know what he did. It wasn't funny.

It was hilarious. It was hilarious, but it wasn't hilarious. Don't be doing that shit, man. We're trying to be mature. No, fuck that situation. Fuck the, girl, that's just the t-shirt. Available now. Merchers available.

Get our shirt is a lie. Get our prosperity pack. Available now. I don't even know where to begin. What were we just talking about? A lot of shit happening, man. It's a lot going on. Shout out to Miguel to Miguel.

The episode is available now. Yeah. Shout out to Miguel. Alamo's available now as well. Yeah. It's a good conversation with Miguel, man. Yeah. I mean, I didn't really like that you told him, like, out the gate on Mike that I was excited to talk to him.

Like, I thought we were going to keep that as a family. No, you know, I got to embarrass you on Mike. That's what, that's what bros are for. We got to get the embarrassment directly. Miguel was like, you know, he's excited to speak to you. We can't contain the show. Yeah, no, you know, you got to get that out the way, make the embarrassment feel like, you know, it's okay, and then we get to the great conversation.

Yeah, but I thought it was a great combo. Yeah. And I'm interested to see what the feedback is on Miguel's album. Yeah, it's a good album. I like it a lot, but it's definitely a specific direction. I'm curious to see what his fans and other fans think of the direction. I fucked it. But other than that, what are we doing this weekend?

Well, you're going away. I know. I was just trying. You're going to bring it up. You're going to get a 10. Ew. You're going to rock the boat. Rock the bells.

Rock the boat. See what I did there. No. All right. No, it's all good. I'm here all right. I'm going to go rock the boat after. Yeah, yeah. No, literally alone. I'm here all week alone. It'll just be me next week. Hope you guys are ready. Well, don't do that because we did have this like this really cool plan where Mall was going to take last week off and it was going to be the Rory cast for the week. And then I'm leaving this coming week and it was going to be the mall cast. But now it's just the mall cast. Yeah. You got to take a week off. So like, you know, we can pay back the vacation time. I'll. Eventually, I will. I'll go. Well, I'm excited.

Rock the Bell's cruise. Lineup is crazy. I've never been on a cruise. This is dope, though. This is kind of cool that this is your first. Your first cruise is like a hip-hop cruise. We'll probably never see it again. A lot is riding on this cruise.

Like the history, the legacy of hip-hop, the future of hip-hop having cruises, lies on you guys this week on the Rock the Bell's cruise. Well, they did do one last year. And I watched other. Oh, they did? really, really good. Okay. And from my understanding, they already plan next year's as well. Okay. This is great. Lox the brat, juvenile, Lupe. I'm a little scared of running into Lupe at like breakfast. Why is that? You don't think they'll allow him to bring his swords, right?

Oh yeah. He's got to cut up the watermelon. That's what Lophe'll be doing in the mornings. I just, I remember one time Lupe called into the show and confused me with somebody else. And it sounded like he had beef. So I don't know if he's thus forgotten it because I'm not that important in Lupe's life that he could see me in triggering his brain. I don't like this guy. Yeah, I never understood that because you never said anything. Only compliment you.

Yeah, crazy about Lupe. I found out he had me confused with somebody else. Okay. But not. So you're good then. You get on the boat. International Waters Lupe Fiasco with a samurai sword. Yeah.

I'm petrified. But I mean, he'll probably just, you know, he'll be protecting the boat. It'll be like Steven Seagulls on the ship with you. So just... He'll be a pirate. Yeah, yeah. You've seen under siege, right? Yeah.

But something about the concept of not being able to leave is kind of scary, but I'm excited. Yeah, it's going to be dope, man. I'm very, very excited. The locks on the boat, dead prez, buckshot, Smith & Wesson. Very, very, very hip-hop. But it should be cool, though. I'm excited to sing every word to Napy Roots, Po folks. Front row.

Atheon Crocker. Oh, man, Tony Robbins is going to be here. Tony Robbins is one of the funniest dudes. Jazzy Jeff's going to be there. Jazzy Jeff. That's going to be a cool little. Yeah, that's a cool little. cruise, though.

I'm excited. That line of it. And everybody's confirmed? Yeah. Because, you know, some people back out and. Well, I mean, I'll let you know when I get on the boat. Okay, all right. Like, who didn't get their passport?

But you got to understand, like, in the Bahamas, back that ass up with juvenile and his whole band. But that's always in the Bahamas. You know white people love back that ass up. Yeah, but it plays on every cruise. It'll be live now, though. Yeah, that's the different. Back that ass up on the crew.

You got to pull your own thorn to the side. Like, there's no way. Pulling your own thorn to the side is. You got to like, you got to show. This ain't, this is just a party. We're not in the room yet. Like, everybody relax. Keep your thong centered.

It was funny. Keep the thong right there. Pulling the thong side won't change anything. Oh, no, that'll change something. Let somebody pull their thaw on the dance floor, see how much changes in that party. It's going to be a whole lot of change in happening. Is there like prison cells and shit on boats?

They have like rooms if like, you know. They put you in a room like where they put Jack in Titanic? Yeah. Yeah. No, actually. They just handcuff you to the bed. Oh, way at the bottom. If you start getting a little unruly and they can't control you, I mean, obviously,

securities on the boat as well. Yeah, they have rooms dedicated for that. Well, I'm excited to meet the aunties. Oh, they're going to be there. They're going to be there. It's going to be a lot of aunties. Tell them aunties I said what's happening. For sure.

But I'll try, if the Wi-Fi works well, I'll try to, you know, call in, get you a little update. Check in from the middle of the ocean. Might even have ghosts with me. Never know. Just be me in Stiles' either. Never know. You never know.

You never know. You never know. You never know you're going to get on the boat. Never. But I mean, yeah. Do you have anything plan? How do you want to go about this this mall week? I don't know.

I might make a call and have a friend come join me or just be me and baby D. Okay. Yeah. The plans I had for last week would have been good, but we'll table them. Yeah, we could still do that. We would have stirred some shit up, but it's cool. I mean, no growth. What's up with you, man?

That's how you feeling? Amara went to sleep at 6 a.m. And we had to be up at 7 a.m. for daycare. I'm delirious. 6 a.m. She would not sleep last night. Oh, my God. Fucking wild.

See, that's birth control for me. When I hear those stories, I buy more condoms. Nah, because I just hand cuff her to the crib or whatever y'all do and go to sleep. I'm going to sleep. That doesn't put children to sleep. No, I don't know. She could be up as long as she want to. I'm going to sleep.

She don't have a job. She'll nap at daycare. I mean, the person with the job going to sleep. Okay. If a two-year-old is restless and a little loud at night, you think handcuffing them would quiet them down. And you would sleep through that. Not literally handcuffing.

But yeah, no, like, okay, you can run around as much as you want. But lock you in here in this little right here, I'm going to bed. Going to give a little Benadryl. Nah. Children's melatonin. Children's melatonin. I don't want her to start getting addicted to melatonin at fucking two years old. Addicting would mean if you were giving a tour every night.

Just a night like that low. A night where you see is midnight and she's still revved up. Oh. It's like, all right. Running around. It's like, all, all, I know what you need tonight. Tonight you need that toning. Tone you right down.

Tone you down. You need to tone it down tonight. Put that right in her juice or something. Yeah, go ahead and sit there. I was so tired. Daycare, we have like an app and they ask like ETAs and what they're having for lunch. I just put IDK. That was my reply to daycare this morning.

On the app. They asked you what? They asked you what? They asked you like ETA, drop off what they have for lunch. who's picking them up, what time, all that. I just put IDK. That's all I had this morning. Figuring it out.

I'll get there when I get there. Yeah. But that is why I'm a little delirious today, but... It's okay. You're going on a cruise, man. You're going on a cruise. Bring your sunscreen. Bring your long-sleeve underarmers, t-shirts.

You know you need to... Long-sleeve-under-up. I know you need the long-sleeve-dry-fits. Rory pack nothing, but long-sleeve-dry-fits when he goes on vacation. I hate that he's right. How many new droplets? Well, last time I went to St. Thomas, Keena and I did the kayak snorkel thing. Oh, God.

He was like, why are you putting on a long-sleevee shirt? I was like, there won't be a tree in sight when we're out on that fucking kayak. There won't be a tree in sight. I can't find shade with a kayak. Nah, man. Put your long-sleeved dry fit on. It's all good. What would you say, baby, Dee?

I was asking, did you want to come to Atlanta with me? When you're going to Atlanta? This weekend. We outside. What's popping in? Oh, you're going to. Oh. It's one music fest.

Oh, that's this week? Mm-hmm. Future, Jasmine Sullivan, K. Lani, the Clips, D. Nice, ludicrous, like, Mary J. Blige, the roots. We're outside. Oh, you're about to go out. You about to have a ball down there. Mm-hmm. You about to have two balls.

But, um... She's going down there for the festival. Oh, she's going to have a festival. I know she's going to have a festival. Man, is you rolling, you ride or are you hiding? Nah, man, I ain't going, man. I'm not going to the one music fit. That sounds like a dope lineup, though.

Are they doing the, what's the other lineup I like on the West Coast with, like an R&B lineup? Oh, are you talking about lights out? Is that it? Is it her? It's probably hers. Her festival is fire. I got to catch one of those. I think it's in the Bay.

Yeah, because she's from a Bay. I got to catch one. Every year that, like those lineups are crazy. Yeah. And I feel like we never see clips from them from those festivals. True. I feel like I've never seen a clip from that festival at all. Like, never.

It's hers festival The Blue Note shit And Roots Picnic that like have the three best Her like never gets brought up in that conversation But mind you that's like the best fucking festival line Vegas used to have Day and Vegas had good lineas But they always got some shit going on

I'm never going to Vegas We know them all I hate Vegas we know more What happened with um I forgot what it was called It was like that R&B Fest that had like the craziest lineup Ever got canceled and then they ended up doing it The next year in Vegas

It was um Lovers and Friends. Lover and Friends. Did that just end? It was in Vegas? Yeah. That's why I ended. That's what I was talking about.

Why did I say Day in Vegas? That's what I was talking about was lovers and friends. Okay, but there also is a day in Vegas shit. I think so, yeah, but that wasn't what I meant. I meant lovers and friends. Cancell. In Vegas, right? I'm trying to tell y'all.

Y'all think I'd just be up here freestyle. Something about Vegas. Vegas is like the black hole. They ran out of water piece. They ran out of water. There's no water source in Vegas. Vegas is. just who that city was designed to kill you.

Yeah. Whether it's mentally, spiritually, financially, that city was designed to kill you. It was, it was designed and created by the people that were indicted today. Exactly. And we're going to get into that, Roy. We're going to get into the snitches and the rats and everybody else. What happened? What happened?

Oh, you just open your phone. I've seen you guys send something to the group chat about the NBA, but I don't know. I'm just a girl. I don't know what's going on. The NBA, sir. No bets allowed. It's about to be some shit. No bets allowed.

No bets allowed. I'm telling you. But I always, listen, bro, when they made gambling legal and they even started having like, you know, the logos with the logos on like uniforms and, you know, if you're watching the game of TV, they even have it where they could put the logo on the court. That's not really on the court. Only people on TV can see it. They started doing shit like that. You got to know that the guys by the guy's. behind these things are in business together.

You have to, which means now the people that are a part of it, they're going to be approachable conversations and opportunities to make a little extra money on the side. If you're a coach, if you're a player, if you can make an extra $6, $7 million that nobody knows about, you're probably going to take that opportunity. For sure. And lo and behold, today we open our phone. But this is just a trickle now because you remember Gilbert Arenas was arrested a few months ago by the FBI for running illegal. go poker games and things like that. Now, I'm not calling Gilbert a snitch, but he did,

he did say out his mouth, he didn't snitch yet, but I will. Those were Gilbert words. If I'm, Josh, maybe you can pull it up. I believe verbatim. He said, I didn't snitch yet. I didn't cooperate, but I will. So now today we have Damon Jones being arrested. We have Chaunty Billups being arrested. We have Terry Rosea, whose situation is separate, but it's still a gambling arrest as well. No, man. Gilbert was at those court steps smiling ear to ear when he left his indictment. Yeah, because Gilbert is probably like, listen, I'm not the big fish.

I don't know what y'all want here. Y'all want the big guy. That's not me. Yeah, I was gambling. I was running poker games. You know, it wasn't, I owned the house, but, you know, and this is what Gilbert said. He won't be worried. Good luck in court.

I'm pretty sure I ain't going to be there when it's, when it's starting to go because, yeah, I'm snitching. Now, just Gilbert's words. They had said this investigation has been going on for quite some time. Yeah, August Gilbert got arrested. It was more investigation. He put it on itself.

He said, I'm not going to be there. Pull it up again, Josh. I don't want to misquote the great Gilbert arenas. He said, I'm not going to be there when it starts going, when it's starting to go, because I'm snitching. That's what he said. I'm pretty sure I ain't going to be there. when it's starting to go, it's going, Rory.

We got the, we got the text, the messages today. Because, yeah, I'm snitching. You can see that at the nine minute, 22nd mark if you want. I am not calling Gilbert Arena to snitch. Gilbert Arena said himself that he is snitching. Yes. There you go. Do you think that's why the FBI called this Operation Nothing but Net?

Have you ever seen Gilbert shot? That's not a joke. I'm reading it off the other. Have you ever seen Gilbert shoot the ball? Pure shooter. Barely touched the rim. Nothing but that. Operation Nothing But Nett has commenced, and you niggas is going to jail.

Adam Silver, I'm pretty sure they're going to be knocking on your door soon. Fan. Of course, the one year that it might be the next turn to finally go all the way, I think we're going to get a lockout, not by the players, by the FBI in a month. Like, this could get really, really bad for that game. Oh, it's going to get. So current NBA player, current and former NBA players and coaches, Chauncey Billups, Terry Rose, and Damien Jones have been arrested.

this was an illegal gambling and sports rigging operation that spanned years. So this ain't something that they just started investigating and, you know, they've been looking at this. Gilbert just connected the dots. Well, he was the first chip that they grabbed that we know of. That was the public figure that we would know. Years across 11 states in total, 30 individuals have been arrested, 13 mafia members. The case involves lacrosse or nostrachers. Charges include illegal gambling, wire fraud, and extortion.

There are two separate indictments. The defendants leveraged their connections to place prop bets based on confidential insider information when in tens of thousands of dollars per bet. There was another article, and it wasn't like the greatest source, but one of the Damon Jones, they say, in the paperwork, was talking about LeBron's injury. Like, LeBron is not that LeBron did anything wrong, but apparently he's in the paperwork. that Damon Jones was just letting the mob know about fucking LeBron's ankle. Yeah, that's inside information. No, no, it's, yeah, shaking points is all this shit.

And then you go, the FBI says the NBA player, Terry Rosea, told the defendants that he was going to leave a game early on March 23, 2023 with an injury. The defendants then placed more than 200,000 of wages on the unders for his prop bets with Rosea leaving the game after nine minutes. Those bets paid out tens of thousands of dollars in profits, and the defendants and Rosier. counted the money at his house.

Do. This is a fucking movie. Where is Scorsesey at? Scorsese is fucking having a ball reading all of this. Get the red camera Scorsese because this is a movie. Charlotte Hornets, Trailblazers, Lakers, and Raptors are all involved with it. I mean, did you see the compilation of Terry throwing games? Listen, man, I'm not trying to start nothing, but I will say the other day during the Lakers game,

LeBron looked very, very, I don't know, he had this look on his face the whole time on the bench. He wasn't even looking at the game. He was looking straight into the crowd. At the bananas. Yeah. Like, I don't know, man. I think that, you know, a lot of players know what's happening, what's going on behind the scenes. We're joking and having last worry, but this is going to get, I mean, it already is, but this is going to get very serious.

Oh, yeah. No, this is, everyone's fucked in this. Yeah, this is going to get serious. And, I mean, we was joking about the guilt. Gilbert thing, but if you don't think Chaunty Billups and the rest of them are going to have the same mentality. Like, these aren't like street guys that have a code of, like,

they're going to tell everything. This is going to continue to get worse. Yeah. More names going to come out. But, I mean, shit, down to fuck the point, shaven. Chaunty Billups was involved with the mob with the shuffling machines. They had red cards in the deck, and then they relayed

the information to an off-site operator that they called the quarterback, then sent the information to someone at the table. This is why I never fucked with gambling spots like that. Like the underground gambling spot. Like in the house? Like there's no way this is not rigged somehow.

Already at the casino, you're fucked. But there's no regulation here. I think I trust the mob. This is interesting because this is, all right, this is the NBA we're talking about. I feel like it's easier to kind of throw games in other sports.

Like, say baseball. Like, it's easier for me as a hitter to go up there and just keep whiffing that fucking, like, bad pitches. Yeah. Like, on the basketball court, like, if I'm just turning that shit over, dribbling that shit off my foot, like, it's like, all right, bro. Like, what the fuck is he doing? And they pulled up Rose's highlights or what they think one game that he was throwing. That was the most obvious, that was the most, that's what I'm saying. In basketball, it's a little more noticeable.

In baseball, if I'm a hitter and I'm just like, yo, I'm going to go O for four tonight. that's that's hard for y'all to pick up on i could just be up there just swinging that shit and it's like well i'm just having the off night i'm just not hitting the ball look at rosette he throwing that shit look at this watch this one this is the one he starts running back before he even threw the pass damn damn i'm crying bad he was so happy when that shit went look at this that pass was crazy but i feel like you could at least purposely miss a lot of shots and it wouldn't look that crazy this is just blatant Yo, that thing is just up here.

He's out there doing whatever. Take me through there. Take me through there. That he can play a 2K. He owed a banana so much money. He like, man, fuck this basketball. The hilarious part was the- Come off.

The announcers were like, who, rough night for Terry. And he told him, I was like, this is the most obvious thing ever. Yeah, this is going to get bad. Obviously, the FBI is still investigating. We just got to wait and see who else, man. I think more, more players

are going to be called into that room. And more players are going to cooperate. Yeah. But this is going to get bad. Again, this doesn't surprise me. Once gambling became legal, I mean, one of the first things I thought was, all right, so now, you know, it's just more opportunity for players to throw games, be involved in it. You know, me and my friends just joke all the time. Like, I got a lot of friends that played in NBA.

They're like, yo, why don't you just call him and tell him not to get six rebounds tonight? I'm like, yo, y'all are joking, but that's how easy and simple it really is. Yeah. Like, yo, bro, listen, man. Just don't get six rebounds tonight. You can do everything else. Don't grab six boards. I'm going to get this quick 10, 20K.

We good. This is the result of things like that. Yeah. And, you know, unfortunately, now a lot of players are going to have to answer to this. A lot of, you know, coaches, GMs, I'm sure it's going to be. It's going to be a lot of people like that we start seeing,

getting arrested and being questioned behind this whole thing. I think this is just the start of it. I mean, but even with that, that like I assume how they I'm just guessing how they even got involved with the mob was they had some type of gambling debt with them because to your point why wouldn't because gambling's legal now why wouldn't you just go off the parlay is that you could easily control rather than fucking with with the mob to do this shit yeah yeah like that that to me is the craziest part like they must have been so deep in debt that they were doing it this way because we all assume that there's

plenty of players that do exactly what you just said but it's sure but it's through legal, even though that's a legal, legal gambling off those parlays. But this, like, how you, how you even get involved with this way if you're Chauncey Billups? As a coach, you know, you take a guy out if you see he's approaching, uh, no I'm saying, to even get in, in bed with or owe people this type of stuff, like throwing games because you owe them underground gambling spots, man. You, you, yeah, y'all gambling at the house, you know, I might, I might have lost a million. Like, shit, I need some of that back. All right, well, tomorrow go out there and don't let him, don't let your point guard score 20 tomorrow.

Pull him out the game. It's that simple. It starts going trickling to that. And now you're in bed with them. Now it's like, all right, now you're part of it. Yeah. And here comes to FBI investigation years later. You thinking it was just over with it was just that one time.

Nah, man, all of this is going to be uncovered. So that's what I'm saying, this is something that I think is going to, a lot of players. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. Seeing Chaunty Billups involved with this kind of like, I was surprised to see his name. Yeah.

He wasn't somebody I expected to be involved at all, but here we are. Yeah. There's a lot of NBA players stepping on their phones and erasing their eyeclubs. Step on their phones is funny as fuck. We got to wait to see what else Gilbert, you know, what other verses Gilbert lay out?

Gilbert the Bull. I mean, Gilbert might be in the booth right now, you know, giving them a 16, letting them know what happened was really going on. Listen, again, this is Gilbert saying he would do this. I'm not putting this on Gilbert arenas. He said he would snitch, not me. I mean, what was the, can we look up the referee that was caught?

Tim, Tim Donnie. If I remember correctly, didn't he, let's see what he's talking about today. Didn't he say in an interview that he believed every single ref was involved with some form of gambling or point shaving decisions? Every ref in the NBA. And we just skipped up. over that?

Listen, man. Every ref in the NBA, which is, I mean, that's kind of nuts, but I'm sure it's a large majority. No, he was straight up saying that they're all involved. Like, he's not the only one here. Yeah, he's not, he's definitely not the only one. You can't be the only one in a, in a, in a league that big with that many games on however many nights, you're not the only one, bro.

Yeah. It's no way. You're definitely not the only one. No, he Steve Javry Look at they got a picture of Steve Javier But that's not But listen man

We go back to You got players like Chris Paul Who say every time Steve Javier Reffed one of his games Scott Fawster I'm sorry Scott Foster I didn't put that on Steve Javry

Scott Foster Chris Paul said that He said yo every time he wraps one of my games It's like I get thrown out I get this I get that Yeah So you got it sounds crazy but even things like that affect a bet.

A player getting ejected, picking up two quick technical files, picking up quicking up quick personal files, got to sit out the whole first half. Like we sit here and we just watch games and thinking like, yo, the ref just made a bad call. Okay, but why did he make that bad call? That could be a loaded call. It could be, that could be a million-dollar bad call he just made.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We don't think about it like that, but essentially that's exactly what all of this is. is going to end up showing us, like, little things like that that kind of dictate the game and affect the game in whatever way. While it looks little to us, a turnover doesn't look that bad to us in the third quarter. Yeah, but at the end of the night, somebody had a bet placed on that and over and under,

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Man, listen. Was it? All right, six times? Listen, we joking and talking shit. Two more in the second quarter. Listen, we're joking and talking shit. But that's real. I'm dead ass.

That's real. Because they come up with the craziest fucking things on those sites. That's real. As far as that goes. But something like that, I'm not, listen, that doesn't affect the game on the field. So something like that is like, you know, that's just like, the cameraman, you know, trying to just make a little whatever. On field, anything that interrupts the game or disturbs the game, like the integrity

of the game, back to your question of should you be kicked out of the Hall of Fame if you're in? I think so. I think if you've done anything to jeopardize the integrity of the sport, to jeopardize the outcome of any game that, whether you were involved in it or not, just the sport, I think that that is something to look at and be like, you might, that might get you. you kicked out of the Hall of Fame. I agree with you, but I do feel like Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame because he bet on himself. Like he wasn't betting against the Reds where he could

really jeopardize. He was confident his team was like putting this down. Yeah. So to me, that's fine if you want to bet on yourself. I think that should be cool, but against yourself. Yeah. But bet on yourself to perform or underperform? Because if you have to say, on the Reds to win. Okay, yeah. Which to me is, it's cool. I mean, I get it. You can't have a gray area there. If you gamble, you gamble. You out.

I get that. But with gambling being legal now and those rules being a little gray, I think only if you bet to affect the game negatively. Like if you're throwing a game. Yeah. Get the fuck out of the whole thing. But where do you draw the line with the steroid thing? Because I think Barry Bond should be in there.

Mm-hmm. To me, that's affecting the game. Yeah, no, it is. But it's still. you still should be in the whole thing. I don't think there should be an asterisk there. But it has to be an asterisk because the playing field is not even. If I'm on steroids and my opponents aren't, I already have an advantage.

So that's where it kind of gets tricky because it's like, all right, if we can all take steroids, then cool. Because it evens the field. But now when you get in the field in the territory of, okay, the, the, the, The playing field is I have an advantage over all of my opponents. That's cheating. Yeah, but I think everyone was taking steroids at that time. I don't know. I'm not going to say everybody, but I do think a lot of people were.

Yeah. And I only bring up that point to this gambling shit, because if we end up finding out that for the past 20 years, every player's been involved, then I don't think anyone should be kicked out the whole thing. Everyone was doing it. That was the game at that time. I know one thing.

They may not pull Michael Jeffrey Jordan and none of them fucking investigations. I don't want to hear shit about Mike. Don't tell me Mike was... Mike doesn't... Everyone knows Mike doesn't gamble. Huh? He didn't serve...

When he served his time for Pete? In AAA baseball. He had to... He did six months with the White Sox. Mike was not gambling on no fucking NBA game. He was gambling to win? That's all the fuck he did. This thing.

Everyone knows that... So what he did was win. Everyone knows that Mike is a degenerate gambler. But Mike is also the biggest competitor of all Mike would never ever bet against himself. No. So I think Mike bet on himself for sure. There's no way he did not put money down on his own games.

For sure. I don't think so, man. I think he's such a big, that would have came out. We would have been found out about that. Yeah. Why do you think that he changed his number? No, no, no, no. That was a conspiracy.

I'm talking about it would have come out as a fact that he bet on Bulls games already by now. He's been retired for almost 30 years. Like, are you kidding me? We would have been, we would have got that, like, black and white. We would have seen the transaction. We would know how much Mike made off of those bets. Like, by now, all of that would be out. All right, man.

We also saw a plane hit the Pentagon. Like, just because we're told that doesn't mean anything. No, no, no, no. Just because Mike came out and they were like, hey, that was just a rumor about the gambling thing. Now, Mike liked baseball that much? I mean, that was his first sport. He played. Yeah.

No, of course. I mean, yeah, he likes bait But it's not like he never played baseball And he wanted to try it And that would be awkward Like you never played baseball And now you want to go try He actually have childhood photos

Of him playing baseball Like that was the first sport he loved I'm just saying by now If Michael Jordan had bet on himself And the Bulls to win Because he ain't trying to lose We know that I'm saying there would be too many people

involved in that Somebody would have took a payday From somebody to sit down In front of somebody's camera Talk about that Okay And to prove that he did bet on Bulls games.

We never got that. It's all been conspiracies. It's all been hearsay. Yo, Mike is a gambler. He gambles a bunch of money on golf. This, that and the third. His dad was, you know, they even tried to say his dad was killed

because of a gambling debt. Like, all kind of dumb shit. Yeah. And we know that was not the case at all. Those guys are in prison and admit to the whole shit had nothing to do with that. But Mike gambling was the fucking reason

he left the NBA. No, it wasn't. All right. If we thought Pat- You got boy. You couldn't beat. him. That's what it was? He got bored. If Pat Mahomes, if we knew Pat Mahomes was a degenerate gambler and today he was like, you know what? I love soccer when I was 10. I'm going to go join the

LA Galaxy. You'd just be like, yeah, Pat's just, he's passionate about soccer. You would think that? Maybe. Knowing he's the biggest degenerate gambler ever. But why you, why do you say degenerate though? Why do you say Michael Jordan's a degenerate gambler? I'm pretty sure he said he's a I don't think Michael Jordan has ever left the gambler spot naked because they beat him out of his fucking Rolex and his fucking jeans he was wearing. You're taking money from like the security guards of the United States. Yeah. Yeah, but that was like quarters. That was just being competitive.

That wasn't like he was like, yo, bet me your fucking mortgage. It was shooting quarters against the wall. Like, are you kidding me? Like he's just being competitive in anything that he did. But it wasn't like. You don't think that that's an impulse of a degenerate gambler that right before a playoff game, you just grab a security guard and be like, you want to play quarters against the wall? If this is my security and this is what I do,

I'm ready to go play ball. I'm ready to go compete. I'm a competitor. Yeah. Yeah, I'm getting myself in that competitive zone of winning. I'm trying to win. Listen, we're talking about the greatest at what he did. However he had to do it to get his mind worked up

and to get in that competitive mode, he did what he had to do. I'm just saying there's no sign of Jordan losing a fucking home and property because of his gambling losses. Like, that's when you look at somebody like, yo, he has a fucking problem. But if you were just shooting quarters with your security guard at the fucking United Center

in the locker room before the game and y'all just laughing and talking shit, that's how you loosen up. That's how you get into that zone? Shit, he went out there and fucking won. I know, I'm saying he bet on himself. He still gambled. To the point that I think Space Jam was a PR cleanup.

Wait, wait, what? Roy, you just saying anything. In real life, he would have bet on the Monstars. To beat him. Oh, my God. Speaking of Mike, Like, the NBA or NBC is back this season and NBC has hired or they have, you know, a series with Michael Jordan talking, is it pregame? Half time, during halftime of select games.

Just talking about just the history of basketball and what it means to him and winning and things like that. And so the first one came out this week. He sat down with Mike Tarrico. He sat down on Mike Tarrico. And I have a theory. This is a theory, Roy. You gave your theories, let me get my theory. I have a theory that that first episode and episodes after that we're seeing with Michael

Jordan is not real. That's AI. Oh, my Lord. And I'm the one with the ten for a hat out here. I just have a feeling. After this gambling, Rico, that just happened, it'll be Mike on AI for sure. Now I think it'll be AI, Mike. I'm just looking at it.

I'm just, and just looking at the interview, it's something about it just felt like, I don't know, man. I think that they paid Mike for his likeness. I think they paid to use his likeness. They paid to, you know, they vetted the questions. They obviously send the questions. Mike answers them. But I don't think that he sat down on a camera. Because if we're doing this for, how many, did they say how many games they're going to

be doing this for? Not that I see. This is just throughout the season. Now, it is possible. You're saying that he just like pre-recorded his voice and they put it on AI, Mike? Like the way they use Snoop's voice and all eyes on me movie? I'm saying that, I'm saying that. The way they probably, this is just, again, the conspiracy.

They can be doing it week by week, but they send Mike five questions every week. Wherever he is in the world, he answers, he sends in his answers. They take his voice, they a out of image, and they air it at halftime. I don't know why people think this is so far-fetched to believe that this is now. We sat down and watched Drake and 21 Savage do a complete rollout with Howard Stern, and those people, and nobody knew that that was AI and that was fake. One of the coolest rollouts ever for an album. So why can't NBC do it?

But they used real footage of Howard, if I remember correctly, right? And then it was real footage of them. What was AI about the 21 Savage and? Like, didn't they just take Howard's question? I can't remember exactly what it was. I don't remember you. But you're saying like this is- Damn it, I'm trying to land my point.

Okay, I apologize. Stepping on my point. I apologize. This is not Michael Jeffrey Jordan. Let's bet on it. I think it's his likeness. Let's fucking bet on it. I think it's his likeness.

I think that, you know, he answered those questions. Obviously, it's his real answers. But I don't know if this footage is real, Mike. And now, I see, I hate when someone says something and then you start, your brain starts to see it. It does look at it. It's too clean. The makeup is, look at Mike. He's still got the yellow henny eyes, though.

Well, he can always, you can't air out, always out. You got to keep it as authentic as possible. You got to give him the, you know how to color. Correct. You got to give him whiskey eyes. Can you just add a little yellow into them shit? Look at Mike. Great tan. I hate that now that I'm looking at it, I kind of see what you're saying.

Look at the backdrop. He don't even look real, though. Yeah, Mike Tarrico ain't never looked that stunning and handsome. But maybe it's just post-production like cleanup. It is post-production. It's called artificial intelligence. But even then with Mike's likeness, like remember NBA Live? He was the only player. He was player number 99. Like he wouldn't even sell his likeness to a video game. I mean, he has since then, though. He's on 2K now.

How, all right. He's on 2K. No, no, I know. I'm just saying how much would it cost for Jordan's likeness? I don't know. I mean, he obviously has a relationship with NBC and the NBA. I think they were more than ecstatic for him to even agree to do this because Michael Jordan doesn't do a bunch of interviews. And it's dope to see it.

I mean, the NBA, I love what Colin Coward had to say the NBA does need, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a lack of superstars in NBA right now. So they are trying to do things to make the game more interesting, to make, you know, get people to tune in. The fact that they're still using Michael Jordan for that. You know, to an extent it's like it shows maybe how down bad they are trying to find the next superstar of NBA. LeBron is older. Kevin Durand is older. Steph is older.

So it's like the NBA is trying things, man. They're trying to keep the viewers entertained and keep them tuning in. But yeah, this is a theory. I just a theory. I was watching this and I was just like, because I feel like we got to question everything we see now. I agree with you. But also I feel like if Mike committed to this, he would just go do it.

Like what would really be the point of like just pre-recording your shit and then doing the AI? Like Mike would show up to do this. Because again, I don't know how long these are and how many he has to do. But asking Michael Joel. and sit down for an interview weekly, that costs a lot. Like, this is not getting Michael Jordan to take time out his day weekly to sit down and do an interview.

Now, again, they could have done this. Maybe he's paying a debt back. Maybe he owes the NBA something. They could have done this. They could have been a two-hour interview and they just chop it up 10 minutes throughout the season. Yeah, I think it's going to be one. But as I'm saying, I'm going forward, I just want to keep an eye on how long these are.

Does he change this? Is he wearing the same thing? That don't mean. Y'all don't record it three episodes and changed. outfit three different times in one day. Yeah, but that was for three episodes. He's going to be doing this throughout the entire NBA season. I don't know how many games.

I don't know how many, like we, I don't know that number yet. I'm thinking it's going to be more than 30 games, though. Does he address what's going on in the NBA? Nope. Because he was an alleged gambler. Mike has to talk. The same way the fans put pressure on us that we have to talk about something when it happens when it's related to us.

Mike can't skip over the gambling. NBA question if he's if he's there weekly no we're not skipping over that mike i mean he can you signed up to talk you have to address it you know what i do want to see them ask mike that and based on his answer i'm gonna know if that's a i based on his answer i'm gonna know like that that ain't michael geoff that's that's a i wish uh i wish hip hop would get into this gambling space like the way we're talking that the sites that have rappers don't gamble No, of course they gamble. I'm saying the way they have it on those websites where you can guess...

Whose album is going to be trash? Or just numbers-wise. Like, if I know for a fact a label's buying this many streams or this many bots or this, that, like, I'm going to bet on those first week numbers. Because I got inside information. You're just throwing now. You just throw money away. I would never take that bet.

If I knew a label, because you can somewhat project. what an artist is going to sell based off their last project and what's currently happening. And I know how many streams they're trying to buy? Yeah, I'm betting on the over under of a first week sales for sure.

I just feel like the I think there's no business. The only business I feel like is dirty than the music business is boxing. Yeah. So the music business, they see everybody taking the over on this artist streaming this minute. You think they're not going to hit that switch?

and universal be like, nah, man, fuck that. We ain't cashing out all these niggas. What I'm talking about is illegal. I know the switch sometimes when it flips. I want to bet on it. I want to make some money. Shit, even they had who will win the Survivor. What was the Netflix show with Cardi Chance and TI?

The rap game. Rhythm and flow, yeah. I knew D Smoke was going to win before it went out. Like, why can't I go on the site? And why isn't rhythm and flow up there? No, no, no. That's different. You talk about something that's pre-recorded.

Yeah. You don't think Survivor's pre-recorded? No, I'm talking about album sales. Betting on album sales, streams. Yeah, no, I know. I'm just giving examples of what, why hip-hop's not on these types of sites because I want to capitalize on the illegal shit. Something pre-recorded, I would bet on. The finale of Survivor? I wouldn't bet on that either.

I don't trust none of these niggies made behind these cameras. I would have bet on Love is Blind. Did anybody watch Love is Blind this season? No, but I saw Clay trolling. some couple other night on his eye Oh my God

yeah he was wilding I had the comment I was like Clay please stop please why you want to let Clay get his shit off

he was like I raised my my mother raised me and I fuck with Clay he was like my mother raised me that a woman

should be strong and independent and make her own money and I shouldn't be with no bum I shouldn't be with nobody

I shouldn't be paying for no bills or nothing I don't want my daughter to grow up a bum why would I marry a bum

I'm like oh Clay I mean marrying a bum is one thing but I mean not taking care your wife completely different thing.

I mean, you could take care of your wife, but you don't want your wife to be a bum either, though. Yeah. Clay has shown that he, you know, deals with women that got their own. See, why are you bringing up his past? No, I'm, I'm proving his point. Like, he doesn't want to be with a bum.

Selina is an entrepreneur. That bum pussy hit sometimes, though. Sometimes. Well, she ain't got nowhere to go. She went rounds. She'd be in that motherfucker like, I ain't leave. You ever fuck a home Sunday?

From the time you wake up, like, it's dark again and we still fucking, like, you ain't got nothing to do this. You ain't got to go home. You ain't got to check on, like, word, we just like shower and fuck all Sunday. That's what suck.

That's why. Or have you ever let the bum chick stay in your crib and it's cool for a week? And then you start realizing, like, she's not pursuing any options. You start talking to, like, the unemployment office. Like, all right, give me three interviews that you've had this week.

Like, you gotta apply for something. She gets serious when Shorty bending your crib for a while. You're like, you don't be cool. We vibing. The first day you open your mailbox and see her name on some mail? That's never happened. That's crazy. That's never happened to me.

You know, that conversation when you get in, like, yo, you got this in here? Like, this bitch trying to get squatter rights. We just trying to get mail sent to my crib. Squatter rights is crazy. She was like, yo, I've been getting this for three months. I've been getting mail here. I live in. Now, I know the fuck you know.

Listen. And it'd be bullshit. It'd be little like sweepstakes shit. Like, don't just be trying to get it. Getting publishers clearing out. Yeah, like, don't go to the mall. Don't go to the kiosk at the mall and try to win the fucking the Kia and give them my address. Like, get the fuck out of it.

Win the key? Oh my God. You're trying to win a key in. You got to be mailing this shit to my house? No. You know what type of person you got to be to be at the mall trying to win the key? That's what these chicks me through and these bum chicks. And that same car's been there for 10 years.

Like no one's won it. Nobody's going to win that car, bro. Just keep walking. Go get your shoes. Yo, I had one of my friends who is trying to be a truck driver in Jersey, but you have to be a Jersey resident to, like, do the truck driver school. Ask me if he could use my address, and I know he has active warrants. Yeah, that's how they try to get you. I was like, you really think that I'm going to allow you to put any type of mail.

They're going to kick my door in trying to find you. Definitely not happening. That's crazy. I'm curious to see where this rabbit hole goes, because again, you could bet on who wins the Survivor shit and you act like the producers don't have friends that they would tell. Fuck that, Rory. Who's winning the World Series? Let's get to the shit.

The beef is back on. I don't know if y'all notice it not. Oh, God. It's back on. It's back on. We're not fucking winning. They're not fucking winning. It's back on, Rory.

I couldn't wait to talk my shit. Toronto Blue Jays versus the L.A. Dodgers, baby. Who you got? Somebody said that up. That was rigged. O'Tani, listen, bro. Tony did. You can't set that up.

That shit. No, clearly. Clearly that whole NFL having a script. thing is real now. I believe this was set up. I believe all this shit was set up. You think... Yankees won the World Series after 9-11. Then, and the Patriots, the New England Patriots.

Yeah, but... We was all Patriots in 2001. All of a sudden, the Patriots fucking win? Yeah, but Otani, what Otani did, you can't, you can't... There's no way you could create that. You can't make that up. No, this is rigged. No way. Hell no. Ain't no way. Life ain't that coincidental.

This was rigged by... Glass is Malone. This is called poetic justice is what this is called. This isn't going to change anything, no matter the results. No, but it is fun to watch, though. It is going to be fun to watch. I did laugh at Drake's clip when he posted the Blue Jays going to the World Series. Saying get them pizza and coax was way funnier than I think people gave it credits.

Like, I actually laughed out like to get them pizza and coax. I was like, oh, man. I don't know, man. I'm going for the Blue Jays just because, you know, what the Dodgers did to us already. Like, I just as a Yankee fan, I have to go for Toronto. Even though they're in our fucking division and cooked us, the Dodgers really broke my heart last year. I got it really, really broke my heart. When we got to the big show, I brought my dad.

Like, yeah, I'm here for the Blue Jays, man. I'm always one of those guys that whatever team beats my team, when they win it all, I just find some pride. Because it's like, well, the champions beat us. Like, if you're going to lose anybody, lose it to the champion. Yeah. So I do want to see, I mean, I would never vote for the, who want the Dodgers to win anyway? Voting for the Dodgers is funny.

Well, I would never want the Dodgers to win anyway, but yeah, I do have the Blue Jays. When I think it's going six games, though. Okay. I see some people having the Dodgers in the sweep. I'm like, damn. I mean. Y'all don't got the Blue Jays winning in one game? They almost did it to us.

Yeah? We had one game, but I don't know. Do we get a Drake Archangric freestyle during this? Freestyle? Yeah, it's a little something. I don't know. A little quick 32 to just to talk about the game. Nah, but how many times do we hear not like us when Otani comes to the plate, though?

Oh, yeah, they're going to run that one in the ground. Jesus Christ, we're about to hear that fucking song, every fucking at bat. P. say he's not working. On the organ? On the organ. Now batting. Man, man, right. Turn this shit off.

What's fire? Like, I really think that would sound. pretty cool on the baseball. No, it would not, man. It's actually set up perfectly for the baseball organization. Now batting. Pitcher. Shohei Otani.

Otani? I mean, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, Otani, your ass by the, why they can't catch him before the world. He's the job. Otani, they're coming for your ass too. Charles, he's about to drop the dime. No, absolutely.

this again I think this is going to turn into way crazier shit oh yeah they may cancel professional sports yeah I think I think a lot I'm telling we laugh and we're joking man but this I think a lot is going to come out of this shit and sports and as a whole is going to be affected by this shit yeah because at one point they're going to say you know we can't control it like players are going to gamble people associated with the sports are going to gamble like how do you control do you get rid of sports betting

that's not happening they made what, $9 billion in one month when they opened the betnap in New York because people used to have to cross the bridge and go to Jersey to place their bets. As soon as they allowed you to bet in New York, I think the first month they made almost $6 billion.

You're probably underselling how much they made. But even then, if you make gambling illegal again, the first time points were being shaved and all this shit was happening, gambling was illegal. So it's not like it's going to change shit. It changes the integrity, though, Roy. How much do we love the game now? How much do we feel like our favorite players

are not just pawns and a bigger thing? They're not our heroes no more. That's all I'm saying. Otani's fucking incredible. Should watch the Bronx, too. I'm going to look. How much gambling Otani's doing? That motherfucker is incredible.

Listen, man, we got TV timeouts. You think there's integrity in the game? Timeout. Got to pay some bills. Do you know what a TV time? Like each team gets a certain amount of time out. Yeah, but not TV timeout. Just add up.

It's fucking over at that point. Jesus Christ, man. Is anything sacred anymore? What's sacred, Warren? What happens once they start adding, like, high school sports into this shit? Anybody gambling on high school sports? You down bad, bro. Like, you just all the way.

You need the money too bad, babe. You might as well just go gamble on goldfish at the conno with that. High school sports? You mean like a degenerate gambler that would be at a playoff game and ask a security guard to bet on quarters against the wall? Like, that type of person? You so mad Larry Bird ain't better than Jordan, bro. First of all, no.

You're so mad to Hick from French lick ain't better than Air Jordan, man. He's just not a better player, Roar. It's okay, but. He was a pure shooter. He was the purest. Pure race. Oh, man. Clean as driven snow.

That's American. That's an American right there. It don't get more American than Larry Bird. I really wish they had, like, mic'd up players at that point because everyone says Larry Bird was the worst shit talker of all time. I got to hear what he was saying. Oh, you know what he was saying. Because the same way we argue, like, with parents, grandparents about players, like,

I never, I need to see Wilk Chamberlain in the 100 points. Like, I got to see it. Babe Ruth, no way. I got to know what y'all think good shit talking is. I mean. Like, if Larry Bird was up there calling people job turkeys, like, I'm not. Like, no, you're not the best shit talking. No, but it wasn't just, no, you told my name calling.

No, what was that? I'm saying him, him telling his defense. defender what move he was about to do and actually doing it and scoring, that's insane, bro. I'm telling you which way I'm going off glass. He got that from hot sauce, though. Hot sauce? If you take it out.

That's that from A.O. Larry Burr used to watch hot sauce. Yeah, that's exactly what he got that, bro. But I've just never gotten any examples of what he's been saying. Yeah, that. I'm going to tell you how I'm going to tell you how I'm scoring you. And there's nothing you can do about it. Yeah, I guess.

There's nothing more insulting in sports than the, than the, you know, that's not. to play your garden, telling you what he's about to do, and then doing it. That's like, bro, you can't, there's nothing you can do with me. I can do it. I can kiss you in your mouth if I want to right now. Oh, shit. I can have my way with you and there's nothing you can do about it. Like, that's the ultimate disrespect.

Here, you want to know what I'm about to do? Here, I'm about to do this. And you still can't stop it? Yeah, that's the type of shit talking legends do. You got to be a legend. Because if you do that shit and it don't score, it's kind of like, shut the fuck up. You bum. Bum.

I mean, imagine Larry Bird whispering in your ear that he was going to have his way with you. And there's nothing you could do about it. There's nothing you could do about it. Just let it happen. What was that clip everyone was bringing up today of Gilbert? Snitching? That too. He was at the free throw line.

It was wizards and calves or something. And LeBron whispered something in his ear, which he had revealed. And it had to do with the gambling spot shit. You got two free throws. And LeBron comes by and taps you on the chest and whisper something to you. What did he tell you? You said, if you miss these free throws, you know who's going to win it. What makes it worse, because we gamble at LeBron's house, me, Damon Jones, you know, that was our group.

So, Damon Jones is horrible. Horrible cars. He owed me money. Like, every time we played them, I always used to scream out. The landlord's hit. The landlord needs his rent money. So he doesn't even play in game six. So when he whispers, you know who's going to hit it. Everybody assumed it was him.

I knew what he was talking about. I was ball in that game. Just hit the three to get us in overtime. And then I see Damon Jones in there stretching. And they really put the man in. And the fact that LeBron even passed him the ball is what hurt the most. Hey, man. Bro, there's two niggers in that conversation that are under federal investigation.

The only person who isn't is LeBron James. Yeah, I don't think that's crazy. No, that's why I was asking if you saw that clue. That's wow. because one already said he was going to snitch one got indicted today and literally he said and LeBron was sitting on the bench stone face

the other night. Yo, LeBron didn't look, I don't think he looked at one play. Y'all didn't see that? Gilbert literally says in that clip, we gamble at LeBron James House. Your LeBron was sitting there like this the whole game, yo. I swear to God, he didn't look at the court one time.

It wasn't shit funny. Look at, look. That's how LeBron was sitting the entire game, I'm telling you. Like I started feeling like, yo, he don't fuck with Luca or something? Because he wasn't even happy to, like, Luca was bowling. Like, he didn't have no emotion during that game. Like, I'm just saying, bro, something, something.

LeBron knows something that's coming down. He knows it. He knows it. That's fucked up, though. I don't think LeBron is in it the way Jamie Jones was in it. Shit, he in there. He was in that house. Take me through there.

Take me through there. That's what the fed's going to tell that, nigga, LeBron. Take me through there. We rolling? We've been rolling. Oh. You know. Yeah.

That's exactly the Fed's going to take me through there. LeBron going to drive the bus. Take me through that. LeBron ain't going to jail. I can tell you that right now. He letting all you niggas going to jail before LeBron do. No fucking way. Yeah, that's crazy.

I didn't know about that. You know about that, Peach? But gambling at LeBron's crib doesn't mean LeBron. Like, all right, if you want to get him for fucking poker at his crib, whatever. I don't think Bronn was involved on like changing the games. Bro. I just don't. He just passed Damon Jones the ball and hit the game winner.

You think there wasn't a bet on that game? So you think that cleared Damon's debt to Gilbert? I don't know what it cleared. I'm just saying one person was already arrested. The second person was arrested today. Overtime in the playoff. No, LeBron is not. I believe more of the strategy that.

that they used to accuse LeBron of you're not like MJ or Kobe because you do pass the ball when like you should have the ball at the end of the game. Like you're supposed to be a goat. You're pussy for passing everybody. I believe that more than he would do that. LeBron cares way too much about his legacy and being compared to fucking MJ and Kobe. He fucking. You just called MJ a degenerate gambler? Yeah.

You don't think that he wants to gamble better than Jordan? Yo, I. That's a lot. How much did Mike lose? Fucking I'm losing more. You know it would be funny if there was a site that right before LeBron's decision when he was leaving Cleveland

and they just had the over under, that's how he decided. It wasn't Dway. That would be crazy. It was like, you know what? I'm going to go to South Beach. Yo, that would be.

See, no, don't, you're going to give me a thing. Wait, but first, you don't think on the illegal side there was not bets. before that press operas? Yeah. Of course it was a leaf. Absolutely. Absolutely there was bets on where LeBron was going.

Yeah. One million. We all watched that shit like it was game seven of the finals. I shit. For all we know, there may have been something in Vegas that said, yo, the over-under on Michael Jordan retiring and played baseball is the craziest spread of all time. And Mike was like, I'll take it. Put a dollar down.

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Sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited Talk, Text, and Data. Just picturing Michael Jordan in AAA baseball trying to fix a game is hilarious to me. You don't have to try. You know, throw in a game and you playing AAA ball. Because he missed a lot of catches. Jesus, crazy. Yo, what I'm Rory? Maul? Steve from Jersey.

I think you guys remember what I do for work. So, I have a quick story to question. I had a call. Somebody called a reporter burglary. Somebody's wife called to reporter burglary. She says, oh, you know, our bathroom windows forced out. And I see footsteps, you know, running away from the house. My husband says he didn't.

know anybody was in the house, you know, reporting on Berkeley. We get there, we're speaking to the husband. Husband pulls me to the side. He's like, hey man, I need you guys to help me out. I'm like, hold up. All right, what's going on? I'm like, yo, just tell me what's up. Like, what's going on? Essentially, he had somebody over that wasn't supposed to be there. A wife comes home a little early. Girl hops out the window. And he just pretended like somebody broke into the house. Neel's to say, we got the fuck out of there. I gave him a whole talk about he's wasting tax dollars. X, Y, and Z.

But my question is, what's the craziest lie that you guys have tried to get off? Whether it's convoluting, whether you got other people involved, X, Y, and Z, if you can share, without blowing your own shit up. Appreciate you guys. Keep going. Thank you, man. Appreciate that. He's obviously a police officer. The craziest lie?

I think I told a long fucking time ago, and we all joked about it. I had fallen asleep with my phone on my chest. This was actually years and years and years and years ago. And it might have been more than seven, honestly. It might have been before we was bought. Or right around the time we started. I know what story you about to tell. And yeah, you go ahead.

Fell asleep, waiting for the Uber. And she went right through my phone while he was waiting for that shit. And in my days of waking up, I said, my man, aunt used my phone. He was texting a girl. Worst lie ever. Getting woken up out and she's sleeping on, yo, what the fuck is this? And I know, I didn't even know how long I was asleep. She must have canceled the Uber while she was going through my phone.

Because I woke up like delirious. Yeah, but that's just a bad lie That's not a crazy lie Like that lie is crazy Like he had to get his side chick out the crib Broke the fucking window Had to call the police and make it seem like somebody Burglarized his home

Like she ain't even ain't nothing missing Like what Other than a nut Nothing's missing Yeah like that's Calling the police to get involved in a lie is crazy Like you actually call the police to the house to try to seal your lie.

Now they're going to investigate. Now they're going to go look at, what happens when they go look at the ring camera and see Shorty hopping up the fat ass out the window? Yo, why she got to be fat? She broke the window. I don't know. She ain't the slim girl. Like, what happens then?

Now you all the way caught and your wife got the, she's going to see the footage. No, but what is Shorty is 10 toes and holds it down in court and just takes the charge? Like, no, I did that. That's crazy. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about it. I don't know if I have a, I mean, I think. I think we all lied on since one of our relatives died or some shit like that.

But I do a relative that actually died. Like they've been dead? Yeah, I'll say like, yo, my uncle died. Like one of my uncles really died. Yo, I, bro, my home girl caught this nigga and the shit. He's like, yeah, I got, you know what I'm saying? I got to cancel our date. Like, my grandma died.

Man, we went on that, like, a Facebook. Grandma been dead for seven years, bro. Yeah. I've done that. I think, I think most guys have done that. Killed off their grandparents? Yeah. Probably.

Yeah. Yeah, probably. But I've never done no. But to get out of a date, like, I could find a better excuse than killing my, like, killing your grandparents is reserved for like some last minute shit. Yeah. Like you're scrambling. Yeah, yeah.

That's like a hell merry. But I've even seen people kill off their parents before and their parents are alive. I'm not doing that. Both my parents is alive. No, they're alive and they were killing. I don't like you that much show. I'll tell you straight up. Yeah, I'm cheating.

I'm not going to lay your mom's die. Get the fuck out of it. Yeah, that's crazy. Fuck you. I'm cheating. Fuck out of here. I've heard people say they had cancer before and they was healthy. No, that's wild.

That's crazy. See, oh, that's, yeah, it's not that, it's not that serious. No. Like, cancer? Like, now you bugging, bro. At that point, hey, I don't want to go in the dick. Yeah. It's much easier to just be like, you know what?

I ain't really feeling you like that. I don't want to go out tonight. Like, you know how you have to do it. Or do it like a regular person, like, hey, I'm going through a lot right now. It's probably not the right time. Yeah. Like, get that off. Yeah, now you can just say I'm depressed.

Yeah. Yeah, and they'll accept that at this point. You can't even question that. Depress is like you get a sick day for being depressed. Yeah. I think the worst lie I ever told is I had a hickey on my neck and I was still living with my parents at the time. And my mother called my father and was like,

Demaris has a hickey on her neck. And I think I told my dad, I told my dad I got hit with a snowball and it turned my neck red. I said, Dad, you know, I'm like, I'm light. I moved easily. You got hit with a snowball and it was June? No, it was It was Syracuse though It was

Syracuse though It could snow any day Yeah, no I was like Yo, I was like No, I got hit with a snowball I had missed first My teacher is the one

That called and told Them that I came to school I missed first block I came in school With Hickey My senior year But where was the Hickey? Yeah, you couldn't hide

The Hickey? I was late to school So I didn't even know It was there But when I walked in the class My home girl was like You got a Hickey And a teacher heard

Oh snitchin ass bitch Call my mom Yo, the fact that hickies was like such a thing like, that was such a, and it's so stupid. Like when you think about it, it's like, bro, what is the big deal about a hicky? Like, that shit is like so like, okay, you was making out with your boyfriend. Like, all right. Do they still give hickies? Yeah, they still give hickies.

Somebody give me a hickie at this big ass. I was about to say getting it like a higgy at 35. I feel really fucking weird about it. I'm not saying as a dog. I'm saying like high school kids are definitely still giving each other. Oh, no, for sure. Yeah. because like you didn't have like many moves yeah that was that was fucking yeah he was a hickie was

a hickie met you if you had a hickie niggins was like yo this nigga just got some pussy like that was that was what a hickie was like yo i just had sex but i mean i should after i got my first hickie and peter i'm sure you can attest to this too it it looks like i was like really assaulted so anytime like i got used to just like pulling chicks away when they would even and try to start that move. I'm like, nope, I'm not going into school looking like a victim. Yeah. And they hurt.

Like, I was never a fan of the Hickey thing. Like, the Hickey thing was never like, that was never my. Yeah. Relax. Sucking on my neck like that, like, I don't like that. You gotta be there for a while to make a mark. Like, let's just move. And now my neck stink.

It's smell like your saliva and all that. Like, once you know, once the saliva drive and that, it's smell like your mouth. Like, get out of here. And we in high school going through puberty. You got a salty neck. Oh, next to be so salty. teenage boys neck something about

well I wasn't a teenage boy that was I was putting my mouth on but I wasn't agreeing with what you teenage girls wait I was a teenage I was a teenage boy kissing a teenage girl

and because of puberty sometimes her neck was a little salty oh if y'all put you know y'all used to put that body spray on that shit tastes like rubber alcohol that shit tastes like like you lick the fucking door Nah.

It was terrible. Why am I looking at my taste is all of these things? All my senses going off. I'm trying to figure out what she wearing. Like, yeah. I don't, I don't have no crazy lies, though. Like, little shit, I got a, my cousin got arrested, you know, regular shit, basic shit. Yeah.

That if like- Just keep recycling the ones that work. Yeah. And you got enough cousins that you could probably find one that got arrested that day anyways. Yeah, that's, that's easy. My cousin got arrested. I call you back. don't call her back

call her back two days later yo they try to send him up north you know you gotta get you gotta get with an update yo he looking at five to ten a nigga in the house playing a halo man

I think you know I really say not only not only people that got arrested do the bid but the family yeah you know we gotta do the bed with them we can't let him go through the system we gotta do the bin with him

we can't lose them to the system you know that we can't just let them go like so I got to prepare for this man you know you're on the one going right to rikers to make sure he can get, you know, they get lost in the tunes. Y'all never been out doing some shit

you ain't got no business doing and you get a phone call and you got to hop in the nearest, like, car, taxi, whatever to get to where you're supposed to. Like, you get a FaceTime call and you're not, the background ain't what the background's supposed to be and you got to go hop in a car and get where you're supposed to be and get in the bed fully clothed and like wake up. No?

No, I ain't never had to do that. If I'm caught out there like that, you're an athlete. Yeah, like if I'm caught out there like. How long did they sound even ring? Yeah. If I'm caught a little. No, not the same call, but like, yeah, you had a call back. Like, you just call me waking.

That one, you got to take one makeup white, do one swipe, get in the bed, mess your hair up, be under the covers. Like, you just call me all asleep. I don't think I'm that good of an actor to put on, like, the I just woke up voice in that moment. I don't know, man. I'm just, when you've been a side dude, like, multiple times, it's hard for girls a lot of you. And like, it's like, yo, I didn't heard, I didn't seen it all. So when girls just, nah, you know, I did. Yo, I feel it.

But women really do fall asleep, Ma'all. Like, that's possible. We all fall asleep eventually. Amara fell asleep at 6 a.m. We all fall asleep eventually. What I'm saying is sometimes when y'all say y'all fell asleep. But you can't, but see, Ma, that's where I fell up. You was in Pagola.

That's, I told you, man, what's, once a chick showed me. And then you went across the street to the rich called to me. Hey, hey. Hey, chill, buddy, chill. We don't talk about that. Chill, buddy. That relay? We don't talk about that relay happening in Manhattan enough.

I didn't know he was on a Gilbert shit and was snitching right now. The calves was just here last night. The calves was just hit last night. You know the Cavas was in town last night. Roy, NBA season is back. Pagola back lit. It ain't know who in Manhattan. Yo, when they put that ritz right across the street from Pagola, I was like, this is.

You know what's happening. This is crazy. We know what's the little rooftop? Uh, I don't know. The rooftop restaurant at the Ritz that anybody like going to. Oh, yeah, I know that she's talking about it. Yeah, I know that relay. I know them backdrops.

When I see the view, I got, and then you look at the schedule? Yeah, I'm like, okay, backdrop, view, Ritz calling rooftop. Should have been on her. Game just ended. It's like 1145. You at the Ritz. She's not with the girls, man. No, no.

They're not allowed to have, like. Real talk. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even know the team. I'm paying. who pay it because none of you

bitches are stayed at the rich you live in you live in Harlem why you stayed at the wrist tonight they went to have cute drinks yeah you know the wrist nomad

like they give you a little entry champagne when you come in like it's nice it's a nice little stagation you know her home girl dragged her there she didn't even want to go

I didn't even want to go to that beer she didn't even want to go she was in the bed yeah she was in the bed cut this shit yo I posted that view

one time niggas just started laughing underneath my. I say, you know what I'm just delete this? Because it's like, what's you doing? What are you doing? We know, listen, man, we don't talk about it, but we know. Pagola, she don't answer her phone after she leave Pagola. She fell asleep. I've fallen asleep after Pagola, though. I'm sure you have to me. In the car on the way home.

You know the lamb shops, they put you right to sleep. It makes you very tired. Mm-hmm. The lobster pasta. That small forward was wearing your bitch out. That's crazy. And then you ever meet a chick that, like, you know, you don't go outside anymore. I don't go outside anymore. So when chicks meet you sometimes, they're only aware of the person that they're meeting right now. Yeah.

And just maybe assume that you've been this way your whole life. I ran all in place, man. I've been to. I've ran all in plays. I've been to all the places that you now just. Yeah. You ain't got to lie? Have fun. Do you the thing.

That's what I'm saying. It's just like, stop, man, because we know the room. You're taking the bathroom selfies at the, I know that restaurant. I know the floor tiles. I know who's. I've been doing this for 20 years. That's saying now. The bathroom selfies at St.

Now when you see her, your bitch is gone. Let her go. And she thinks just because you don't go outside, like, she just think you're a homebody. Yeah. I've been running. They just changed the name of these clubs. They're the same exact club. It's the same exact club.

I know where you at. I still work there. Same backdrop. We get it. Well, this was fun. I think I'm going to just try to figure out how we can start the first underground podcast gambling ring. Start betting on ourselves. Put on ourselves?

Yeah. I might throw a few pods. How are you going to do that? I didn't think it threw yet. I'll plug your mic. What are you talking about? Oh, you think I'm going on the Rock the Bell's cruise? No, I'm going to.

I bet on myself to miss a week. Oh. I bet on myself to miss a week. You see on Reddit the Parleseys of, yo. The over under of Rory missing an episode? The over under Rory saying a word wrong. The over under Rory saying... Yeah, y'all didn't know what to actually read.

Something might be fun. Let's have the listeners and the viewers. Yeah, matter of fact, this would be fun with the Patreon community, Twitter community, Reddit community. Like, let's all try to figure out the podcast gambling stuff. Yeah. And we'll bet like jelly beans and shit. You don't got to be money.

Nobody's going to lose their home. I mean, we don't want to do that. Man, if you into that serious, bad shit, hit my line. Them niggas betting bullshit. Put the house up. All right. You can't spend the night here, DeMaris. When you lose your apartment, don't come sleeping in here.

No, I'm going to your house. Nah, shit, that ain't happening. That ain't happening. I'll start throwing Terry passes on this podcast. Yeah, fuck that. Well, have fun on Rock the Bells, man. Tell the guys the locks. Smith and Weston, everybody.

Yeah. Salute, peace and love. Appreciate everything that they done for hip-hop. Yeah. It's how you to do? I'm very excited to jet ski with real hip hop. Have fun. Don't be too much of a nerd when you see DJ Jazzy, Jeff.

I know you can't wait to. You used to live with his son. I know. That's don't become too much of a nerd. But have fun though, man. And call in, checking on us. And you know what I'm a good time. Yeah.

All right. We'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that niggie. Rory's on a cruise. No. A win is a win.

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