New Rory & MAL - Episode 419 | Unfortunately Taken
Episode Date: October 31, 2025While Rory is still on the Rock The Bells Cruise, we celebrate Halloween with a little bit of smoke. Demaris calls Mal out for thinking everything he dislikes is gay. Thinking owning fish tanks is gay... is crazy. Mal thinks we need to respect sex workers the same way we respected essential workers during the pandemic. Kristen Bell’s wild IG caption got us debating if posting for your anniversary is performative. Plus, a caller wants to know if he was trippin for not paying his girlfriend’s bills, and another voicemail sweeps Demaris off her feet #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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The funny shit is, you know what I'm saying?
Even though it's Halloween, it's been scary out in the streets for a while.
Yeah.
There's been some scary shit going on.
Niggas ain't got no EBT.
That's scary.
Yeah, that's scary.
It's not funny, though.
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Happy Halloween to everybody out there
Happy Halloween
This is my favorite time of the year
For a few reasons, baby Dee
Okay, like what?
One, you get to see everybody
You know, all the beautiful ladies
And their costumes
Half-Naked
Creativity
Not even half-naked
I think women have been doing a job
Of getting away from the half-nakedness
The last few years
Everybody seems to be a little more creative
Now during Halloween
I like this time of year to see all, you know, creatives and people having little parties and things
like that.
It's my favorite.
And the weather is like the best.
I'm a fall spring guy.
Yeah, I see you got your little camo pants on.
I mean, you know, I tried to mix in, you know what I'm saying, with the festivities.
You know what I'm saying?
I had to give them the same palate, give them a little chocolate brown.
This is called chocolate brown, by the way, baby dear.
Okay.
I mean, it blends it with your skin.
So I thought it was chocolate.
It's definitely milk chocolate too.
It's a little milk chocolate, a little dark chocolate, depending on what you need.
You know what I'm saying?
So when they ask trick-treat, I just got to.
come to the door like this and just
ladies do what they do.
Yeah, no, well, not men.
We don't, we're not doing that, but you know.
Let's see what you got on today.
Who you supposed to be?
Shaka Khan.
You don't even know.
You don't even know, you know, you know,
you don't even know Shaka.
You don't know who I don't.
You wasn't outside when Shaka was outside.
Shaka is still outside.
No, she ain't outside to what she used to be, no.
You know the history of Shabha Khan.
She used to be outside.
Yeah.
But you're giving them thigh high.
I see what you giving them today.
Yeah, a little something.
Or something.
Yeah.
How you feeling?
Are you good?
I'm good.
I'm good.
It's Halloween.
I am not going out tomorrow.
Why not?
I'm being in the house.
I'm making short ribs.
I gotta go off of a short rift.
Short rite for Halloween is crazy.
Red wine reduction.
Yeah.
Red wine reduction.
Your boyfriend, man, he coming up for a five?
Because you know, red wine reduction age is.
That's not just a regular Friday.
That is a regular Friday, but he won't be there.
He won't be there.
Yeah, because I know he would.
Red wine.
reduction.
We're going to be the pink and the, he's going to be Stitch and I'm going to be like the pink
version of Stitch.
I think her name is Angel.
We got little onesies.
Why you don't be Ike and Tina?
You know, Tina moved because she got tired of y'all turning her trauma into a costume.
Is that why Tina Turner moved?
She don't fuck with, she ain't fuck with America like that.
Everything was a joke.
I thought it was because of taxes.
That's why Johnny Depp moved.
He doesn't live in America because of taxes.
How do you know why Johnny Depp moved?
Oh, he's very vocal about that.
Oh.
Yeah, he's vocal about that.
They're trying to keep all that pirate to the Caribbean money.
Yeah, he don't want the government taking that.
Yeah, what fuck you're doing tomorrow?
I don't know, man.
I might just go out to this.
It's just something going on at the, down by the pier.
Like this restaurant down there.
I don't know.
They're doing like something down there.
A few of my people are like, yo, they're doing something down by the park.
I was like, I had my swing through.
But I mean, it's Halloween.
I don't really have plans of Halloween.
You going to dress up?
Hell, no.
I haven't dressed up for Halloween.
Why?
You and some cute girls?
be Joker and
Harley Quinn?
Mm-hmm.
I had a stroke quickly.
I just couldn't remember.
But yes, Harley Quinn.
Nah, I ain't dressed enough
from Halloween.
Pige is dressed up.
Peage is a pickle.
Y'all can't see him.
Y'all can't see it.
Peage, go standing from my camera.
He's only a pickle because they didn't have
the more hot dog costumes.
He wanted to be a glizzy.
Are you Dill?
You Dill or are you a sweet pickle?
Pause.
Is it?
Is that what that is?
Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
Or did Hay Arnold dress up as a pickle?
Yeah, well, something like that.
But yeah, we back.
Rory's still ain't here.
Rory is still on Rock to Rock the Bell's crew.
I saw a video.
He posted a, he did, I guess, a birthday shout-out with somebody.
He sent that to me, and I didn't watch it because I don't...
He had both arms around the shorty's neck.
I've never seen the both arms around the neck.
Yeah.
That's nasty.
Both arms around the neck is nasty.
Yeah.
He don't even know that one.
And why he digging in his nose and it touching her?
Look at him.
Is he on drugs?
He probably had a few sons.
He's on a cruise going
Saucre crazy
So happy to kick it with you
No you're not
Somebody says
Shorty recorded this video
With a 1987 microwave
Yeah why does the video
Look like that
It looks a little pixelated
Yeah what the fuck is Roy
Roy is so awkward
Like just chill
Like what is he doing
He's nervous
He looks nervous
He looks nervous
He looks like it's his first time
Roofing somebody
He don't know if it's gonna work
He looked like he's snuck
on the cruise.
Like, he's not supposed to be there.
Somebody noticed him and they wanted the videos.
And now he's kind of like, well, I'm really not supposed to.
Well, our episode, our episode without Rory, got a lot of good reviews.
Did it?
When y'all can fire that, nigga?
See, this is how they're going to chop this up.
What I do?
Post clips of this.
What I said? Conspiring the fire Rory.
They're going to have think pieces and Twitter spaces on this.
He's going to be in the Twitter spaces.
That's how he going to find out.
He's definitely going to be in the Twitter spaces.
If it's Twitter spaces, Rory is in it.
That's how we're going to find out.
So now the Halloween is here, how are we feeling about the year, basically, years over?
Yes.
We've got about 60 more days before the new year.
How do we feel about this year, just everything that has unfolded?
What does this year have, what has this year been to you in very few words?
Oh, transformative.
Transformative.
Transformative.
I like that word.
This was a year of transformation.
I knew it was coming, though, because going into Jen.
I know y'all
you can call me
whatever
I'm spiritual
I believe in that shit
numerology all of that
I kept seeing
the angel numbers
555
which means that
like transformative
yes like things
were just going to change
and I thought it meant
that like
I was going to like
leave y'all niggas
but I'm still here
but other things
I ended up leaving
in my life
and shit just changed
I got a new apartment
I moved back to Brooklyn
I stopped spinning
the block down
and ended up in a relationship
very soon after
I've been more
into my content creating journey, more into my YouTube journey.
And things have just been shifting.
Like I feel like I'm entering into a new stage of life.
This year wasn't bad outside of my dog dying to kick the year off.
And then dealing with other shit work related at the top of the year.
Other than that, the year has been like, it was not a bad year for me.
Oh, good.
Yeah.
That's good.
Yeah.
As long as you can say it wasn't a bad year.
It wasn't a bad year.
A lot of people had bad years.
As long as you don't have a bad year.
Transformative, I like Transforming it.
I think it's, it's positive.
I think you need to transform.
I think you need to change.
People avoid change a lot.
What about you?
For me?
This year has been more of me standing on business.
Okay.
You do that every year.
Every year.
Just more of me standing on business.
You know sometimes it's okay not to stand out business.
You know sometimes the business be bullshit.
You're standing on a big box of bullshit.
Never.
With box of bullshit I still.
I did not point out any particular boxes.
I'm just saying sometimes you don't got to
stand on the box more. You can let the box fold it.
Or just in general. In general. Oh, oh yeah. No, I know that. But if I'm ever standing on business,
okay. It's business. It's not a box of bullshit. Okay. And then you know me, though. I just,
at the same time, I like ruffling feathers a little bit. I know. I'm aware. Yeah, I like doing that.
When are you, you think you ever grow out of that?
No. You can't. You can, actually. Oh, for what? If you don't, who's,
feathers need to be ruffled. If you don't, if I'm not ruffling feathers, who's going to ruffle the
feathers. You know that the internet and social media and creating period has become nothing but
ruffling feathers. Like that's how people get big now. I don't spend a lot of time on social media no more.
But I like that though. I like opening social media after like days and not being on there
and just seeing somebody like talk about their private life because I have no idea what's going on
and I'm just trying to catch up. So people be on your, I like the little, like away messages
on Instagram now. People just like leave their business up there. You don't know what's happening.
so you go to their page trying to play catch up.
I like that.
Ma, do you ever think that...
Nope.
This is a serious question.
Oh, this is a serious question.
This is a serious question.
Oh, shit.
All right, go ahead.
Let's say we get canceled tomorrow.
Cancelled.
We get canceled tomorrow.
It's believable with some of the shit you'll be saying.
Yeah.
We get canceled tomorrow.
What is your next step?
Because, and this is the conversation that I had with Rory,
because I feel like you guys don't lean into all of the aspects of...
Because you're technically content creators.
It's long form content, but you're technically a content creator.
And I feel like you guys don't lean into all of the different ways that other content creators,
like, have variety, right?
As far as like affiliate marketing, like, for example, people want to know where you get your
fucking hats from.
You could be getting commissions off shit like that.
Like, you guys don't do things like that because you're too cool.
And I get that.
It's just you're not just from that era.
But what would be your next step?
Would you go into short form content?
Would you continue to make long form content?
in a different way.
Like, I always wondered that.
Like, what would you do?
Would you retire?
I don't know about retire.
I'm too young to retire.
I hear that.
But I would find another way to pivot and do something with the audience and the platform that I built for sure.
But retired, no, you can't retire.
Not yet.
We're not rappers.
We can retire.
No, not yet, though.
You can't retire yet.
Do you ever feel too old to be doing this?
And I'm not, that's not an old joke because I'd be feeling too old to do this sometimes.
I feel, now, if I was somebody on my social media who was like posting like trends, like doing dances and shit like that, I'm probably a little too old.
I'm probably too old for that.
But some of the dances ain't that bad.
You could do a couple.
No, no, no, no.
You can shake a little.
That's one thing I'm not doing.
I don't, I ain't going to lie.
I hate like when like you got a crush on somebody and then you go to their page and you see them doing too many like like trend.
I'm like, I'm like, a dad right.
Yeah, that's a deal breaker for me.
That's one of my doing.
Oh, my God.
Don't do too much trends.
Don't do the baby booths trend.
Don't do the, my man, my man, challenge.
Like, when a girl's doing too many challenges, like, why you want to be challenged so much?
How about you going there and cook something?
Challenge yourself to do that.
They got cooking challenges.
Stove is cold, been cold for three days.
Ma.
Yeah.
Could you deal with, could you date a girl that couldn't cook?
Can't?
Or wouldn't cook?
That didn't cook.
Or couldn't or didn't?
Could you do that?
It's a difference.
If she had enough money to feed you.
She had enough money to feed you, but she didn't cook.
Like Beyonce.
Beyonce doesn't cook?
Who told you that?
Beyonce.
She said she doesn't cook?
She's been very vocal about her inability to cook.
It's not her thing.
She can't.
I never knew that.
I don't know.
A woman from Texas that don't cook?
A woman from Texas who grew up being a star.
Oh, yeah, she's been a star.
My baby ain't had a chance to.
Yeah, she couldn't catch that.
Exactly.
But answer the question.
What I date a one?
that can't cook or couldn't cook
or didn't know how to cook.
Yeah.
Okay.
Seriously?
You married?
I don't know about marriage.
I don't know if we're going to walk to.
You said date.
You said date, though.
Yes, but at this point, anybody you date, you should be aiming toward marriage with.
No, shouldn't.
Why not?
I should be aiming towards marriage with every girl I date from now.
You should be dating with intention at this point.
Yeah.
I intend on dating.
Yo.
I intend on enjoying you and having a good time.
time. Yeah. Marriage, though? Not every girl is like marriage. Some people see, that's the problem.
Y'all go into relationships feeling like, oh, this has to be my person. Just enjoy the relationship.
And if it grows into that, if it grows into that, then so be it. But don't go into it like, oh, this got to be my husband.
But see, this is, and this is, I've had this conversation with y'all about dating with intention.
That doesn't, that's not what that means. It doesn't mean that, oh, this next person is my person.
It means the moment I realize that this person ain't my person, I'm out because I'm looking for.
my person. Oh, I do that anyway, though. As soon as I'm, it's like, it's not clicking.
Like, yeah. But that's what I'm saying. So why would you, if you want your wife to be to know
how to cook, why would you continue to date somebody who didn't know how to cook or wasn't
willing to learn how to cook? That's not dating with a picture. Oh, no, no, no. You didn't say,
you didn't say, you didn't learn. You said that. You said can't cook or didn't cook.
All right. Now, if she's willing to, yeah, then let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's
get some dishes together. Let's, that's part of relationships. She builds on the weaknesses
together and turn them into streams.
Now my baby is, she's chefing, cooking, holiday, dinners for the family, everything.
You can't take a bitch that.
You cannot take a girl on her 30s that ain't never cooked before and suddenly put her in charge
of Thanksgiving.
I feel like you'd be a little bit too.
You grow into that.
I'm saying when we first met, she couldn't cook nothing.
Now we're a year into the relationship.
She got four, full-course meals.
She could lay down on the table because cooking is not that hard.
It's just repetition.
That's all of this.
You know that.
It's a little bit.
Yes.
But you got to love it.
And you got to, it takes practice.
Yeah, repetition.
It takes practice to be a good cook because I might not know a recipe, but I know anything,
any recipe I try, it won't be nasty because I know how to cook.
How soon did you cook for your man?
I told you all, it's a two weeks, three weeks, four, three weeks?
No, no, those numbers is jumping around.
That's like the stock market.
Three weeks.
How long, baby, Dee?
Three, three weeks.
Two weeks.
Now we back.
It was two weeks.
We went to four.
We went to four.
It was two weeks.
I forgot flown out to Atlanta in two weeks.
I got flown out in two weeks.
You got flown out in two weeks.
I told you, you knew that.
You knew that.
And you cooked at his house?
Yes.
I told you that.
Yo.
Yo.
I was in a relationship after my first date.
Like, I don't think, like, I was, when we first, when I first started dating him,
I was kind of hush, hush about this, like, because I just, it was all happening so quickly.
I didn't really talk to the father.
But I was in a relationship after my first date.
Yeah, we didn't, we didn't plan.
games. Everybody told me I was getting love bombed and here we are months and months and months later.
So he's flying up for Halloween.
Mm-hmm. And y'all going to be Lil'n's Stitch, you said?
We're going to be Stitch and then the girl version of Stitch. Her name's Angel.
Like y'all going out like that, like Jess?
We might. There's bars around my house. We might like step outside just to like fuck with people.
But no, we'll mainly be in the house. We got a lot of work to do.
We got a lot of work to do. I know that's right.
Yo, anyway.
I know red wine reduction, you said.
Ma, you think if you were J. Prince for Halloween that people would recognize you who you was?
I don't think I look like J. Prince as much as people say I do.
I don't think I do.
A little bit.
You got the attitude, though.
Like if I get you a chain, shorter haircut, like a H-town ring and like a gun?
I could be J. Prince.
I don't think I look like him as much as people think.
That's funny, though.
No, that is my favorite person that people say you look like.
People say me and you start to look like.
That's just racist.
See, you're supposed to, when people say that, you're supposed to be like, yo, don't
be racist.
But black people don't look like.
But black people don't be saying.
Demandis, we do not look alike.
We don't look alike.
Why are people saying that?
I don't know.
Because we're black.
They see two black people sitting next to each other and that's it.
Kind of same complexion that, so it's like, oh, yeah, I look like.
But we're not even really the same complexion.
At all.
I'm lighter, a lot lighter than you.
Yeah, but you know, that's just called racism.
It's all good.
There's a bunch of music coming out this weekend.
I'm waiting for Josh to pull the list up.
He pulled up a picture of J. Prince to prove D.U.
That you don't look like J. Prince. So that shit funny as a...
I don't look like J.Prin.
Josh, put him a picture of J. Prince.
Did you know what J. Prince look like? Is that why you did that?
No, it's for the audience.
Oh, okay. They know who J. Prince.
Yes, they send me a picture. Anytime he takes a picture, they send it to me.
Yeah, so this weekend, we got some new music dropping.
I don't know why, because rap is in a...
Rap is dead, right? That's what they say.
That's what they said.
Hip hop is dead. Hip hop is dying.
Nah, but we do got some good music.
coming out, West Sidegun,
Ransom and DJ Premier.
Shout out to Ransom and DJ Premier.
Kodak Black, Offset.
Big L album.
Shout out to MassaPill.
Another one of the MasterPill projects,
drop it.
I'm looking forward to that.
Slow Mo and Sauce Walker,
just to name a few.
I'm pretty sure this more album is dropping.
I know you excited about Kodak.
Oh yeah.
You know how I feel about Kodak.
Yack!
Haunted by fame is very...
Didn't Offset?
Just released the album?
Is that like a deluxe or like an LP?
or something. He just really thought we just here. I don't know if that's a, I mean, listen,
Offset out there he's working. He got music in the vault. Put it out.
Pay a child support. He, no, he, he ain't got to pay. He got off kind of, he got off kind of
I. He got a, he got a carty got to pay. That don't make sense though. Cardi, she got full of
custody, I'm not mistaken. Or like me. But didn't it come out there? Cuddy got to give him
money, though, right? He was trying to get that help. Yeah. I ain't going to lie. I think
offset came out on top of that. I think he did. You was cheering for him? You was praying on
Cardi Downfall? You hate that? No, I'm never playing on nobody's downfall, but I'm just saying,
you know, it's good to see the man sometimes like, yo, yeah, mom's got to, she got to do
something too, though. Like, I get it, but yeah, she got a kick in a little bit. Yeah, why not?
Tell me if I'm wrong, speaking of praying on downfalls, I was on live earlier today and I let
it slip that I've prayed on people's downfall before. Like, any whore that I was, like,
dated and he turned out to be a whore, I prayed he got eaten. Any whore I've dated.
Yeah. So you knew he was a hole when you started? No, I didn't know. I mean, I would, I thought
he was a turnkey whore like I thought that
he was turning the key on his life he was ready
to open the door and be a husband okay that's what I thought
they weren't few of them and I wished
ED on them like I prayed on the downfall of they dick
but why am I wrong for that yes
like not speaking as a man but like just speaking
as like somebody that's been hurt before
like answer me because that's why you're doing it because
you was hurt so it's an emotional
thing it's like you reacting emotionally
yeah but everybody got like
yeah but you can be upset
repercussions, they're by
actions.
Like, you're just not
about to be out here
throwing dick
and think that your dick
about to keep working.
No, me and my stones
is gonna make sure
that that shit goes flexing.
You got crystals by your bed?
You went to witchcraft, huh?
That's what you should have been
for Halloween.
Why don't you just be a witch?
Be your true self.
You wear a mask all year?
Take the mask off of Halloween.
Take the mask off of Halloween
while out of you.
Show them that you were a real witch.
You never prayed on a bitch downball.
You tell me you never prayed
that a woman,
that a dude broke a woman heart.
You never prayed on her downfall?
Never.
the most toxic person on this podcast and he always trying to convince us that when he comes to relationships
you so fucking healthy.
Pete, are my the most toxic person person on the show?
Thank you.
Why do you say I'm the most toxic person?
Why do you feel like I'm the most toxic person?
Pete, you're the most toxic person.
Man.
You don't know.
You just know it anymore, huh?
I think I know who it is.
But why do you say I'm the most toxic person?
He ain't here?
No, no.
No, no.
What?
No, I'm not doing that to my God.
He ain't here.
I'm not doing that.
But why are you saying the most toxic person, though?
Well, you have some very, in multiple ways, some ways that people would think are toxic.
Yes.
Just name one, please.
Some of the ways that you think about women and men in the way that they should interact with each other in the world.
People would say that we're talking about.
How do I?
You call men gay for everything.
Niggas be gay.
Okay, they do.
They, okay, hear me out.
I'm with you.
They do, right?
But sometimes men just don't operate the way that you operate and anything that you deem,
that you wouldn't do, you label as gay.
Like what?
Or mental illness.
It's either Maul would do it or is gay or it's mentally ill.
Okay.
Like what, though?
I'm learning.
Listen, my thing is, if you feel like that's how I am, interesting, but you got to
tell you to more.
Interesting.
No, interesting.
I'm like, cool.
Like, tell me about myself, but I want to, I need examples, though.
Like, you can't just say something.
So, for example, the internet, when you, it was a big deal on the internet when you said
that men who constantly cheat and constantly sleep with people, it won't
stop getting pussy. They just can't stop. They're gay.
Some would say that they might just be addicted to sex, right? But you are insistent that it's
gay. I think you also said it was gay to have a fish tank. Like, very gay. You know why you,
I'm going to tell you why you're corny for that. You my nigga, I'll fuck with you. But if you
walked in a dude's house and he had a fish tank, you would, you would feel the same way I feel.
I would not feel that he was, I would not. Yes, you would. I would not feel like that. You know, I would
take him serious. Maybe his grandmother gave him that fish tank.
they put the fish in the car
how they got the kid fish to his house
Grandma left the house and the fish tank
If you walked in a man's house and he had a like a serious
fish tank
Are you fish in it?
Yes
What kind of fish?
I don't know
You got gold fish in a tank
I
You love animals just a little bit too much for me
And you need to love more serious animals
Like if you can keep a gold fish alive
You're a little bit too dedicated to the wrong shit
So you're telling me if you walked in the dude's house
And he had a fish tank
You don't have no questions for him
I have questions.
What question?
But that doesn't keep me from giving him.
What's the first question?
What kind of fish?
Like, what possessed you to get fish?
Like, do you really fuck with fish like that?
Do you, like, think it looks dope?
Like, what, like, how often do you clean your fish tank type shit?
Like, important shit.
I don't ask him, like, yo, do you get fucked in the ass?
Like, because this fish tank don't make no sense.
Mm, okay.
Do you, like, are you know what I mean?
I think my logic makes sense, though.
You still ain't convinced me on me being toxic yet, though.
I'll give you another one.
Give me another one.
Okay, you said that I said,
men who can't stop cheating on their girlfriend.
Like I said,
I said they may be gay.
The internet killed you for that.
Well, yeah,
it's gay people on the internet.
Okay.
I mean,
just show me where I'm wrong.
You know,
we actually have a gay fan.
Shout out to Christian,
who every time you say anything
that can even be deemed remotely homophobic,
he writes me.
And he's like,
see,
Martin says some homophobic shit again.
I'm not homo-
People got to, see, people, you got to compartmentalize people correctly and get people to correct, like.
Terms.
Yeah.
Like, I'm not homophobic.
So it's like, where's the homophobic?
Like, why are you thinking I'm homophobic?
Because I said, yo, if you got a fish tank, that's kind of gay.
That's not me being homophobic.
Okay.
Like, that's not, I don't care that you have a fist take.
If I walk in my homework crib, you got a fistache, I'm like, yo, I ain't a lot.
I'm like, yo, I ain't a lot.
I'm a homie.
But that's my homie, though.
But that's my homie, but how does that connect to male, I mean, who sexual activity, my guy?
I mean, it's not really male on male.
Gay is just like, you know, that's just gay.
Like, you know, that's gay, fan.
What you doing?
A negative connotation.
No, not negative.
It's like, it's a fish tank, but it's like you, like, you take the fish out and put
them like in a smaller bowl and then clean it like and then put the water back in the
gravel and all.
That's gay.
You can be doing mad other shit when, by the, when you do it.
You got mad time on your hands, fan.
Having mad time on your hands is gay.
Like, when you ain't got nothing to do, like, you ain't got nothing to do?
That's not, but that's not fair, ma'all because they care about.
They fucking.
fish. But niggas can't care about they fish because you are non-pet-ass nigger.
People can't care about they fish. I love animals. But do you have one?
Nah, because-Nigas will say you don't have a dog. That's gay.
Nah, see, that's... See, now, but when you're doing it ain't gay. And a certain type of dog
you got. You got to have a certain type of dog.
Like what? What dog is... It makes you not gay. Niggas can't have no teacups, man.
Niggas can't have no toy. That's how I know you don't know ball or bitches because
teacups get you girls. No, they don't. Yes, it do. A nigger walking a teacup. You get her. You get her
T-c-c-c-c-c... You're not hollering at...
See, this is why I ain't fucking with you.
Who not?
You're not talking to no man that's walking down the street with a T-cup, a Yorkie.
I've!
That means you know how to be tender and soft.
You can't just throw no teacup around the way.
And what else?
Tender soft.
No, you can't throw no...
Say it.
Hear me out.
All right.
You can't throw no teacup around the way you could throw them bulldogs around.
You see what I'm saying?
You got to be gentle.
You can be gentle with a bigger dog.
You can.
Yeah.
See, that's the, you don't think you can be general with a pit bull or cane corso or like
A cataw?
I don't want no nigga with a cane corso because you niggas is not dog trainers.
You niggas are not the fucking canine.
If I had them to see me as a puppy, yeah.
A win is a win.
A win is a win.
I don't care what I'm saying.
Yep, that's me.
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So you guys interviewed Tillahee that interview was out right now.
Yes. Episode with Saleh out to Saleh for coming through, you know, sharing some of his time and some of his story with us.
one of my favorite, one of my favorite designers. I love seeing everything Saléi is doing that.
He's a product of New York. So anytime of somebody from the city, I got a rule for him.
So shout out to Saléy. Leave us any, like, you know, treats any.
Any sneakers? No, not yet. But he did say he'll send some boxes out. So we'll see. But
he usually does, though. Saléi usually sends some kicks out for us and shit. So shout out to
Saléey. Episode available now. We had fun talking to Salé. We've been trying to get him to come
do for a minute, but, you know, schedules and, you know, he's busy. So it was good to,
it was good to have him come out of studio and finally kick with us. That's good.
Had a good time. That's good. What's going on with the Blue Jays? You know, you got to keep me
updated on sports. Not at Roy isn't here with his terrible sports. It's called Poetic Justice, baby,
Dee. That's what it's called. You know poetic justice. You know poetic justice. You know
Janet and Tupac, right? Well, this is the Blue Jays and the Dodgers. This is the new, this is the
2025 edition of Poetic Justice. The Blue Jays are up three, three, two, but you know, job not
done. Great words of Kobe Bryant. Job not finished. Job not done. They up three, two, one more
game, one more win. So hopefully, you know, they'll close it out at home in Toronto and give
the city something to celebrate me. So who's this one baseball player? You keep talking about. I think he
plays for the Dodgers. Shohei Otani. Olani. Yes. He's the greatest baseball player ever.
I'm calling it. Like damn Babe Ruth? Like I don't want to hear nothing about, I'm not even calling
I'm Herman Ruth.
He was black, though.
Not people don't know Babe Ruth was a black man.
His name is Herman?
Yeah.
Oh, okay, cool.
You know that.
Okay.
George Herman, Ruth.
So you're seeing it on that, because I might have Peach clip that.
Greatest baseball player all the time.
Show Hey, O'Donni, is the greatest baseball player ever.
Yes, I'm calling it.
I'm calling it.
He is.
That means a lot from you being a Dodger and you don't like give L.A.
No, I give L.A. props.
I give L.A. props.
I just, you know, I just thought that the way it aligned with the Blue Jays and the
Dodd just playing the World Series was just kind of like, you know, everything that happened last year.
It was just kind of cool.
So it was just a cool, cool storyline.
You think we'll ever be out of that?
Like, anytime Toronto and L.A. come together for anything, you think we'll ever be, like, out of.
Like, that'll ever be safe to talk about.
Like, we'll be out of the day's the zone for that.
No, I think there's still a, it's a low-key.
It's going to take a while for that to kind of, like, fade away.
Like, but, I mean, it's not a true rivalry yet.
Like, that definitely not in sports.
I don't think Toronto and L.A.L. Rivals in any sports.
But, you know, just the storyline just kind of lines up pretty well.
So it was fun to watch this World Series just to kind of like, you know, everything that was going on on Twitter.
People were saying different cities, you know, talking their shit.
It's just fun, man.
I think all of it isn't fun.
None of it is serious.
Like, it's not a, you know, I don't want people to think that it's like serious.
And, you know, let's just have fun, man.
It's just part of the storyline for us to talk shit and have fun with it.
It was a good matchup.
The other night, it went like 18 minutes.
I watched the whole game.
Game was like six hours or some change.
Yeah, it was crazy.
But it was a great game, though.
Do they get overtime?
Overtime.
No.
Yeah, like overtime pay.
They don't get paid by the hour, DeMarris.
They get paid by the seasons.
By the years.
If you sign four years, $200 million, yes, you get your $200 million.
At the end of the four years, you will have gotten $200 million.
There's like, so there's like, no, like,
add-ons like, hey, if you play a game for longer than four hours, like you get a bonus
$10,000.
No.
I do think, though, I'm not sure, Pete, if they do the same thing in the NBA.
I don't know if they get more money when they win each series in the playoffs.
You know, in the NBA, you get, teams get bonuses based on if they win the first round,
second round finals, you get a bonus.
I don't know if the MLB does that, though.
Yeah, when I was younger, I found out about the no salary cap on MLB.
LB for the players.
Otani's contract is crazy.
So he's getting like $2 million a year, which is like crazy.
They're paying him that up until the last year's contract.
He gets, I think, close to like $600 million.
So they did it like that so that they still have money to go out and get other players.
So I think they're going to make a rule change, though, because that's kind of like, it's kind of unfair to have a player like him.
And you're not paying him yearly on the books.
like you still have so much flexibility to go out and pay and get other big name players.
But yeah, the no salary cap in baseball allows you to do shit like that, though.
Like I was telling the girls like, hey, fuck the NBA players.
They get injured too easily.
So we should go after MLB players.
Now we, me personally.
Well, not you.
Yeah.
But the girls.
Just the women.
The horse.
Well, I don't want to call them hoars because they're women.
I want to call them hoars because the ones that are willing to sell their pussy.
Go to like the hire.
Carriers. Compartmentalize. Call them what they are. Sex workers.
That's fine. I ain't nothing wrong with sex workers. Nothing. I love sex workers. I love sex workers.
No, those are, I said it during the pandemic. Those are our first responders. We should have gave them the same praise. We gave the nurses and the doctors.
I'm on record saying that. Like, I'm not joking. Like, I said we're going to sex workers. Yeah.
The sex workers, you need them. We absolutely need the sex workers. Did you pay any of them during the pandemic?
Sex workers? Yes. No. I didn't. See, I'm not. Like, in this one, like, in this one, we need, we need, we need. We need to sex workers. Like, in this
what I'll be talking about. But I'm not in that world. I don't go to like strip clubs.
So where were you finding women? I paid them respect. Where were you finding women during the
pandemic? Because I hear you on any other good any given time. But where were where were you
finding women during the pandemic? Finding women? Yeah. I mean in life. I walk outside right now.
I might bump into a nice young young woman. Yeah, that's right now. But when we were all in the
house, scared, spraying our cereal down. I mean, I know women in real life. I got women in my phone. I got
friends that I talked to. I caught a lot of friendly fire during the pandemic because everybody was
depressed. Friendly head. That friendly head when it's unsuspected. I was head unsuspected, baby.
Because if one of your home girls come to your crib and y'all never did nothing before,
y'all just be chilling in the crib, watch the TV, she might cook, smoke, chill, whatever.
And then, you know, it just happened. Like that's, that head? Yeah. It was a lot of that during the
thing. So you had to have been attracted to her, though, because how you just,
You can't go from just smirmy to brick off somebody who wasn't attracted to that just pulled your dick out.
It don't work like that.
Or does it?
I don't know.
I don't have penis.
Yeah.
Yes and no.
But it was like it wasn't an attraction like I had ever tried to like sleep in any of my, my home girls before.
No.
But sometimes it happens.
It's like, yo, you know, she, you know how y'all get.
Y'all get horny too.
When me get horny.
I've never got horny enough to fuck my homeboy.
Never got, bro.
let me tell you something.
I've never got a home.
horny enough to fuck my homeboy, bro.
Never.
You don't got no cool homeboys.
No, I have mad cool homeboys.
But if I wanted to beat, I would beat before they became the homeboy.
Like, I'm not even going to allow you to get the homeboy territory if you was somebody
that I would beat.
You ever got a curve before?
I went up to this one dude and I was like, hey, what's up?
He was like, I have a girlfriend.
I was like, oh my God, yo, me, he think I'm ugly.
That don't count.
I was like, nah, he think I'm ugly.
Wait, wait, no, no, no, no.
See, that's fucked up.
That's not a curve.
It's not a curve.
He has a girlfriend.
Now, if he's single and he said that, that's the curve.
Let me hold your hand when I say this.
If a nigger really want you, that girlfriend don't have.
Nah, don't do that.
Don't do that.
That girlfriend, do you not saying, that girlfriend.
You're right.
You told me you had a girlfriend because you wanted me leave you to fuck alone.
Or he don't want to cheat on his girl.
Everybody wants to cheat on any girl.
See?
But when I say it, baby, we'd be saying the same shit.
But when I say it's a problem.
You say it, it's supposed to be like, yeah, that's what it is.
So you're not a girl.
So you understand.
You know the worst kind of niggas who are going to look you in your face and say like, I like, oh, you what's up?
Like you, you with somebody and niggas be like, unfortunately I have a girlfriend.
Niggas have said to me, unfortunately, I have a girlfriend.
Unfortunately, why are you in that relationship then?
Unfortunately, it's crazy.
Unfortunately, just let me know.
Just leave.
Why are people scared to be single?
Like, why?
Why are people afraid to be alone?
Because a girl asked me the other day, she said, yo, your problem is you're comfortable.
being alone.
And that could be a problem.
No, that can be a problem.
It can be a problem.
I think for me it's becoming a problem.
Because I don't take, I'm very, you know how they say?
It's strict around here?
Yeah, very strict.
It's not about being comfortable being alone.
I think your problem is that your preference is being alone.
Your preference is being alone, but deep down inside, you don't want to be alone.
Like, I know you.
I know that eventually you want to be partnered up.
Family is big to you.
You want to have a family, right?
You want all those things.
It becomes a problem because right now your preference is to be alone.
so you're not willing to sacrifice your aloneness to get to your long-term goal.
The way that I'm not willing to sacrifice getting up and going to the gym every morning,
even though I hate it for abs.
As bad as I want abs,
I really like being on my fucking couch.
I'm not going to get to my long-term goal because I'm used to short-term comfort.
That's what you are right now.
Short-term comfort, being in a relationship, dating, all of those things,
having to deal with somebody, you don't feel like dealing with it right now,
but long-term you want the family, so you're going to have to eventually do that.
I'm dated.
Yeah, you've dated, but you know what I mean, Ma.
You're quick.
You're strict.
And when you're strict.
Yeah, if I'm dating somebody and she's lying, like, she's lying to me, yeah, I'm not going to be with a liar.
Who wants to be with a liar?
That's the only issues is that they're liars.
I mean, lies turn into big issues.
You're lying about something out of that or not.
And they come to find out, oh, you're still talking to this guy and that guy and this guy.
It's like, all, that ain't your only problem.
I've seen you drop women before in it.
It wasn't because they were liars.
What was it because of?
We're not going to get into that.
We can.
I want to know.
I want to know what you think I'm out here.
Like, what you think am I just like, just dumping women for no reason?
No.
But I remember one girl had a situation with a friend.
She was being a good friend to a friend and it made you uncomfortable.
Do you remember that?
Yes.
That didn't make me uncomfortable.
See, if you're going to tell her, you got to tell her a real story.
That's not when she started moving funny.
you ain't tell that part
all of a sudden
FaceTime every time I FaceTime
you don't answer but you call me right back
and then you outside
like outside your crib
calling me a, like
you move in for that's a funny movement
She was letting somebody stay with her
so maybe she didn't want to interrupt
what they had going on
so she stepped outside of talking about
what they got going on
why you can't talk to me on the phone
if you got somebody in your crib
all right
See, that's what you've been trying to paint me
Don't paint me
Like if you're gonna paint me
Use the right colors my nigga
That's the problem
Don't put the right palette out there
Don't put the wrong palette
Yeah
If you're moving funny
If we're dating
And you move it funny
And I'm peeping shit
Because you know how you do the same shit
Once we see
Once we use to a pattern
And then patterns start to change
And then energy starts to change
And then behavior starts to change
We gotta start asking why
Like yo what's up
You're all right, what's going on?
We usually, like, speak before we go to sleep.
We usually get on the phone.
We usually do this.
Da-da-da.
Long work.
Call me, you know what I'm saying?
It's like all of a sudden.
And then, and then, long behold, you know, you got somebody staying with you.
Now you got a friend staying with you.
What I'm supposed to think?
And we talked about this.
Me and you spoke about this.
I was like, yo, baby, if you had a guy living with you, one of your male friends and you had a man, like, what do you think he would be happy with that?
And you was like, I don't know.
But you would make sure.
that you are extra attentive, extra energy just to show and prove like, yo, it ain't,
this is just a homie and a rough spot right now. You know, you're shacking up, staying in my crib,
right? You would make sure you do the things to make your men. I would. So now when it's the other
way, when energy starts to shift and it goes the other way, you got a question like,
yo, what's going on? I'm wrong for that? No. So why are you trying to pay me that way?
I'm not trying to tell it. Tell the right story. I love being in relationships. I love being in a relationship.
I just don't take bullshit.
You love being in relationship.
Yeah.
I see.
I do.
See, hear me out, right?
I'm here to hear you out.
You know why you, you know what I'm whack?
Because you can't even, baby, you can't even name girls I've been with.
So it ain't even like I'm outside going crazy.
No, I'm not saying.
That's one thing I won't say.
I won't say that.
I won't say that.
I don't think that you're outside going crazy.
I think you're a little sneaky.
But you're not outside going crazy.
I'm sneaky.
Oh, shit.
Oh, you're private.
Oh, you're private.
Because that is considered sneaky now, right?
Yeah, that's crazy.
You're private.
You're a private podcaster.
You're a private podcaster.
You sneaky.
No, I just...
I don't know.
No private podcasters.
What you mean?
What you mean?
What I mean?
What I mean?
What I mean?
What I mean?
I know some of yours
because I work with you, but...
Who Joe Rogan there?
Is Joe Rogan married?
Look.
He's married, yeah.
You didn't know that.
I did know that.
That's why I said it off the back.
You didn't know that.
What's his wife's name?
I want the...
I don't know this fucking.
Exactly.
See what I said?
A lot of niggas be private.
Jessica Rogan.
Jessica fucking Rogan.
Jessica
At the end of the day
I want
Told you
I knew it was Jessica
I knew it was Jessica
Like I wasn't making that up
Okay
Girl got a black daughter
He did black woman
Oh
Okay
I did not know that
Going from dating a black man
To Joe Rogan
That nigga pissed you off didn't he
Oh she has a black daughter
He has a black daughter
She does
Oh she does
Oh, okay.
I thought you said Joe Rogan.
I want to say, how did we not know that?
But the reason why I was saying this is because I want the listenership to understand you a little bit better.
So yes, you are comfortable.
You do like having a companion.
You do.
But you also like your freedom and you don't like explaining yourself.
That's not true.
Maul, you don't like your freedom?
We all like our freedom.
You didn't look me in my face and tell me that if two women could just get along, y'all could all be happy.
And you was dead ass.
You were not podcasting.
And we were off mic when you said that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What's wrong with that, though?
There's nothing wrong with it, right?
It's me being honest.
Me and you have had a conversation that I would be open to that.
I would not with you.
Let me clarify, you know how to rumor mill starts,
but I will be open to the same type of dynamic.
Yeah.
Right?
So I get you on that.
Yeah.
But you do know that there's not a lot of people that would give you that.
Me and Rory have told you a million times that the type of women that would give you that,
those aren't the type of women that you want.
They're more sexually fluid or free women.
That's not what you like.
You like good girls.
So what's a good girl?
Don't do this.
No, I'm just saying when you say things, I just want to know.
What's a good girl?
What would be, what the, what society would deem as a good girl?
But we're going to know for society.
What society?
Because what I deem as a good girl is completely different.
Okay.
Right?
So what society would deem as a good girl would be women who have not, I don't want to say
haven't really explored, but they tend to just be in relationships, regular, pure
vanilla, monogamous relationships.
that last a little while,
they don't really super, super date.
They tend to just stick to one person
and low body count, all of those things.
That's what people don't party a lot.
That's what men deem as good girls.
Stay in the house, don't go out a lot,
work their little jobs, being able to be a little bit.
I don't know if I consider that a good girl.
That's not what I consider a good girl either.
I get how somebody would think that that's a good girl.
But that's what men tend to think.
How did you meet your boyfriend?
So Instagram.
How did this become about me?
We're talking about you.
I'm just, no, this is about us.
I'm just trying to get to know you on Halloween.
It's scary.
I'm just trying to scary hours right now.
It's real scary.
I'm just trying to get to know you on Halloween.
So y'all met on Instagram.
Yeah.
Okay.
He followed me.
And then I followed him back.
I don't follow him back.
I told him all.
I told him every day.
He caught me on a good day.
I follow him back because he had what he did in his description.
Uh-huh.
And it was about me.
So I followed him back.
And then.
It was about you.
No.
in his about me section on Instagram.
He had what he did for a living.
No, he had,
he had what he did for a living.
So he,
yeah, he followed me.
I followed him back.
He slid in my DMs and
he said this can't be,
he said this can't be a coincidence.
And no.
No.
That was,
that's what he said,
this can't be a coincidence.
He said it can't be a coincidence.
That worked.
Yo, see, that's what we did.
Because we've been sitting here
trying to clown dudes like shit
did they be saying and like,
yo, that's what he said.
It worked.
though. Yo, this can't be a coincidence.
Now, if I told a girl that you would come in here
and kill me for that. He said it can't be a coincidence
that he's going to be in New York
shortly, because he's not, he doesn't live here.
He's going to be in New York shortly that I
follow him back. Oh,
and that he just seen a clip of me online
from the podcast. He said, that can't be a coincidence
that you follow me back.
I said, maybe not.
He was cute. He had what he did
in his description, and he
slid in. He caught me on a good day.
Remember Maul. So you know, the clip
that he saw me was the clip where you were trying to teach me how to casually date.
Remember when me and you had that thing and I said, I'm done spinning the block.
I want to learn how to casually date.
And you were like, you can't casually date.
You're going to be in a relationship in two days.
Remember that conversation?
Yeah.
That was the clip that he saw.
So he was like, we were talking about speed date and all of that.
So he knew that I was single.
So he did, you know, I was trying to try new things.
I don't usually answer my DMs.
I don't usually follow men back.
I was trying to do something new.
Are you one of those girls that when you get in a relationship,
you know, your homegirls don't see you no more?
My home girls don't.
No, because I just take them everywhere with me.
So, like...
Explain.
Me and my boyfriend's second date, Alex came with us.
Like, we...
I bring my home girls with me, like LeBoubles.
Like, for his birthday, Alex came with us.
Like, loboobos.
Yeah.
Like, for his birthday, when we went out with his...
Like, we went out, Alex came with us.
Like, I bring my friends with me.
Wait, for his birthday?
Mm-hmm.
Was it a party?
it was a birthday dinner and then we went to a club after Alex came with us she ordered food for the table
oh but that don't count if it was a birthday dinner if he's having a dinner like he had his friends was there
yeah but that he had one or two friends but that doesn't matter because Alex is damn near married so it wasn't like a
like a like a you link with him it wasn't like y'all was supposed to be one-on-one and you bring you a girl
oh yeah but no he took he had a birthday dinner he took us to the strip club on our second day that was our second day
yeah that's cool that was that was very gentleman like of him you got to you got to get if you want to
be my lover you got to get with my friends type shit like that's i don't i don't do that i don't
disappear on my friends my friends are my life okay but you do though you disappear on us when you
get coupled up when you really like somebody i've been with you every week my nigga when you was
dating that girl in l-a man and we was in l-a man we ain't fucking i was in your hotel i had your key card
but even if i'm not dating somebody like you're not going to see me look right wrong peach i
I saw Pease.
I bumped into Pease by accident in our hotel.
He was at the bar.
Pete said a cannonball contest in 30 minutes.
Yeah.
Like, I just bumped into peas.
Like, when we travel and we go out, like, I don't really like, because we did for,
first of all, we did for work.
So it's like, cool.
But if I have some downtime.
And then it's LA, I got a bunch of friends in LA.
So I'm always doing like my own thing.
Never win in LA.
Like, but I, if you hit me and be like, yo, let's.
I did hit you.
I say, yo, Marla, I'm at the pool.
Come through the pool.
They got good calamari.
Like they got good like vegan tacos.
You was like, nah,
key down stairs for you.
Yeah, because you wanted to go by the pool.
Why you ain't comfortable with me?
I left the front desk for you.
Because you wasn't alone.
And that's the,
it'd be that shit like that.
I was alone.
I was alone.
You was alone?
Yeah, I left the hotel.
I left.
I wasn't at the hotel when you was at the hotel.
I left.
That was the whole thing I said while I'm leaving the key downstairs.
In other words, I would be like,
I would meet you and just go upstairs with you.
But I was leaving.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, I don't, see, don't,
Don't pay me as that guy.
I'm not the guy that gets in a relationship and all of a sudden my homies don't see me
or don't talk.
I'm not that guy.
Like, if I'm in a relationship, like, nine times out of ten, my homies know who the
girl is.
We all hang out, come out of crib, chill.
See, y'all got me all wrong.
Y'all be talking.
But it's interesting.
I like hearing how people perceive me and, you know, what they think about me being in.
Well, not that Rory isn't here.
Like, I'll, like, give you the chance to, like, clear things up.
You know, clear the air about certain things that people feel about.
about you? Is there anything else I need to clear? Because I could clear it all up if you want me to.
Anything, just, why we hear? If there's anything else, you feel like, yo, clear this up.
Yo, they say this. I'm hearing this. Like, just give it to me.
Whatever on your ass about the, and I don't want to make this a whole drink thing, but when
I comes to staying on a big box of bullshit business, when it came to the Drake thing,
one of the things that I got killed as a producer and Josh got killed as a producer for is
when they said that there's going to be, when you said that there's more evidence to come.
apparently in an appeal
there is no more new evidence to be presented
I said there was more evidence to come
or I said there's more things
you said there's more things that
obviously Drake knows
that his lawyers know that will come to light
and what we got killed for for not
researching but we're not fucking lawyers or podcast producers
was that in appeals
there is no new evidence
the evidence that was presented in the original case
is all the evidence evidence that there is
there can be no new evidence
I said it was going to be new evidence
or did I say it was going to be new evidence?
or did I say his lawyers know shit that we don't know?
Yes.
But even if, okay, so even if his lawyers know shit that we don't know, that would be,
and you said it would come out.
But new evidence, that won't affect the trial.
Are you seeing what I'm saying?
Like, that won't affect the case because no new evidence can be presented.
So whatever evidence they have or whatever they claim to have known,
they've already presented it.
They can't present any new shit.
So that's why I said that, you know, now that you have that information,
because that was me and Josh's job to give you that.
information, do you still agree that there's a chance that they will win that appeal?
Yes.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
All right.
That changed things for me.
Okay.
But.
And that's cool.
I understand it.
I just have more insight on things than most people.
Okay.
But you know that that insight, if the judge, like the judge has all the insight that
they need, you can't present any new insight to the judge.
Yeah, but right.
But there's, again, not to that judge, not to that court.
Okay.
So now when we go to another court, that judge or that court might find that that evidence
is definitely enough to pursue whatever they're trying to pursue.
Okay.
That's all.
All right.
I just want to reiterate and bring that back up because I think that that's something
that I didn't cover in the next episode and that's my fault as a producer.
But just to harken back on that.
Yeah, but things like that is like, that's just opinion.
That ain't like me staying in no business.
People, you know, they don't.
People, you know why it looks weird when you see somebody stand on business and you see somebody stand like literally because people say it, but niggas don't do it.
So if you see somebody doing it, it's a little awkward for people like, oh damn, he really like, it's like, yeah.
So if I say something and I mean it, yeah, I'm going to stand on that.
That's foreign to a lot of people.
A lot of people say it.
Like loyalty is a tattoo these days.
A lot of niggas ain't lawyer.
You know that.
Niggas that have loyalty, wisdom all over their body.
Be a dumb, dishonest, nicky.
Like loyalty, wisdom.
honor, all of the things.
No, humble.
All of the things.
Family over F-O-E.
Family over everything.
Nicky got humble on the sets,
nigga, mad, obnoxious.
Like, yeah, like, you know,
that's so, yeah.
So when you see somebody say something
and, yeah, they stand on it,
that's like, damn, he ain't,
yeah, because I'm not like,
I'm not like the rest of y'all.
Like, I'm not like us.
Mm.
Yeah.
Well, since you said that,
you don't see us
when you get into a relationship,
I'm forcing you out today.
You see I got my,
hooker boots on for our date that we're going on i see you got your uh julia robbins pretty woman
that's a pretty woman you know your pretty woman boots you got you got your pretty woman boots on yeah we
all side what's up i mean yeah so you said you wanted to go since we don't we don't hang out so we don't
not at rory's gone we could just do so much we can get so much yeah we're going to hang out a little bit
today yeah so for the patreon we're going to do a vlog-esque kind of episode you're going to take me out
You have some have some conversations, talk about some stuff.
You're going to show me how to pick out a good sneaker because you know I suck at that.
Okay.
So we're going to do some show.
Why are you acting like this your first time hearing it, yo?
No, no, no.
I'm saying, okay.
We're going to do that.
Today's a day.
We're going to go outside.
You know what I'm saying?
We're running around a little bit.
The weather's a little nasty, but it's okay.
Yeah.
Move around a little bit.
Go get something to eat.
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Yeah.
We can do that.
So, yeah.
You're going to see me a Ma's vlog.
But you got to pick out.
We're going to go sneaky shopping, but I want to see what your sauce is.
I want to see what type of sneakie.
as you would normally pick up
and I'll let you know if those is
those is it or not.
So I dress like,
I dress like,
my sneaker game is kind of like Rory's
if I didn't want to appear homeless.
Like you know Rory has like that homeless look to him?
Rory has a homeless look.
You know what I'm talking about,
like that hipster homeless look, right?
Like that hipster homeless color palette.
Like he wants to blend in like underneath the brown box.
Yeah, like that.
You know, you know exactly what you're talking about.
He wants to blend it with the homeless.
Yeah.
So it's kind of like that.
Like the neutrals, cool, sleek, not anything really, really funky.
The only, like, funky kind of shoes I have are the ones that, like, shout out to Joe.
Like, Joe Fresh Goods or, like, New Balance sends me.
I didn't pick those out.
And then I'll wear them, but I don't really.
All right, so we got to get your sneakie.
We got to get your palette up a little bit.
Yeah.
We got to talk.
Oh, let's play the numbers game.
And see who can get the most numbers.
Oh, hell no.
Maybe I'm a grown man.
You think I want my three outside like, yo, let me go get her number.
You just said you step outside and meet people in real life.
Yeah, but I don't go outside with that objective, though.
He was an Instagram fisher.
No, no, but this is an objective.
I'm going outside with the goal of getting numbers.
I haven't done that in years.
I can't do that.
But, you know, we might bump until, you know, a pretty young lady on the way who, you know,
I'm saying we might have a little, you know, connection.
She might be at the sneaker store looking at some good feats.
You would be offended if she won't.
You know you don't like gay people.
You can be offended if she want me and not true.
You said I don't.
Why are you telling people I don't like gay people?
Are you going to be offended if she want me and not true?
Why would I?
I'm never, baby D.
On 44 years on this planet, I never woke up and was a hater.
Not one day did I ever wake up and say, I'm going to be hated today.
That's it.
You don't come into work and said, no, fuck it.
We aren't bullshit.
I'm hating a day.
You.
Oh, who?
Never?
Never.
Who I ever hated on peace?
No, I don't hate on nobody.
Demarest, I don't know what niggas we have going on and hate it.
I don't know what none of these niggins is doing
So no, no, I'm not a hater
I ain't gonna be no hater
Never a hater.
But we're gonna have fun though
We're definitely gonna look at some sneakers
And go get something to eat
And hopefully, maybe we can even go to the movies
Did you say I'd never take you to the movie?
You don't.
We go to the movies today.
Rooftop pool in the rain.
Roof top pool and the rain?
That's not like a song.
So speaking of hate and Josh has just informed me
that apparently Glowrilla and Meg are beefing.
Lowrilla and Meg are beefing.
Yeah.
Weren't they just on tour?
Yes, they were.
So is this a real beef
as the internet just trying to cook up a beef?
I feel like if it is a real beef.
They slow cooking this brisket.
So what I'm seeing is that GloRilla apparently liked the tweet about Megan being upset that
Glorilla outsold her, right?
If Globe.
Megan liked the tweet?
No, Glow liked the tweet about Megan being upset.
Somebody tweeted something about Megan being upset.
Glorilla outsold her and apparently Glorilla liked that tweet.
Now, Glorilla might have just been fishing and accidentally liked it on accident.
that happens.
That does.
I've accidentally liked
Tweeks on accident.
And then you unlike it.
They might have screenshot
at it before she got a chance.
You might not even notice
that you like something on accident.
I'm giving her the benefit of the dog.
Fair, fair, right?
Fair, fair.
If it was like...
That's bullshit, but fair.
If your boyfriend says some shit like that,
I ain't like it.
I don't like, I don't know.
Showty I like the picture by accident.
You ain't rolling?
I'm rolling.
No, you...
I'm a lot more understanding than you think, ma'am.
No, you're not.
not.
You're a lot less understanding than you think.
No, I'm very understanding.
I'm very understanding.
Now, I'm going to go like a nigga picture like in perpetuity.
Like, I'm going to keep like other niggas pictures and say I did an accident.
Like, I get my light back.
I got to get my light lick back.
But I'm going to be understanding and forgive you.
But that's not the point.
The point is apparently that's what happened.
Now, maybe it was on accident.
Maybe it was on purpose, whatever.
Now, I do know that there was some, some, the fans were trying to manufacture some beef
between Glow and between Megan.
Glow accidentally posted,
like Glow reposted a meme
and the meme happened to have a Tori Lane song
playing behind it and Glowrilla wasn't aware.
I don't know if the fans manufactured some shit between that.
I don't know.
But I am tired of seeing our female rappers beefing over shit.
Yeah, I don't know.
This seems like a little, it's like a reach.
Our male rappers apparently beefing too
because Cam is suing Jay Cole.
did you see that?
So for the listeners that don't know,
Camron is suing J-Cole over a feature that Cam had on
My Delete later, ready off my delete later.
And it was supposed to be in exchange, like most people do,
in exchange for either Cam to be, for Cole to be on a Cam project.
The verse what?
Or to come on a podcast.
We personally give Cam that verse.
Don't go out of this, what it is what it is.
What the fuck you got going on right now?
get the verse out.
So apparently Cole has not made good on that verse swap.
And Cam is now suing him.
So according to court documents,
Cameron claimed he contributed lyrics
and a verse to the track,
which appeared on Coles' 224 mix tape, might delete later.
In exchange for Coles, alleged promise
to either collaborate with him on another project
or appear on Cam's podcast,
Cam claimed that after the song was recorded,
Cole failed to follow through on his commitment
over the next two years repeatedly saying he was unavailable for the podcast and never moving
forward with another collaboration.
Well, Cole has been kind of staying out of, he's been staying out of the way for a while.
He's been working on his new album.
I'm pretty sure that has something to do with it while he didn't.
Maybe he's waiting to finish up the album to then go on maybe a little, not that Cole
needs a press run.
Maybe he was waiting until the album was done or the album was great.
come out then he would go do can't's podcast um i don't know i mean cameron also contended that
he hasn't properly been compensated for his part on ready 24 and asked a judge to recognize him
as a co-author of the track the new york rapper wants a full accounting of the songs earn which he
believes exceeds 500,000 dollars because if you don't get your verse swap or you don't come on the
podcast then yeah i want to be paid for my work because otherwise i got no compensation for
this right so i can't work cams
coming from is there
some type of contract that said how long
Cole took to like had to
you know what I'm saying how long I had before I had to go on this
podcast or give you that first swap pack?
That was two years? No, two years is how long it's been.
That doesn't know how long they agreed upon.
Which honestly do rappers really sign shit
like that? It's like, yo, you got me, I got you. Niggas aren't
really like. There's nothing signed. It's more
it's more so just a conversation
and offer good faith, handshake. Yo, I got you. I'm going to see you that
verse back or you. I'm going to come on
pod.
Yeah.
But, you know, obviously, Jay Cole had to pivot.
He had some things he had to switch up.
I'm on the side of he had probably a couple of Drake features on the album that he
don't have no more.
I'm on the side of it was some bars on some, some, you know, that he had to kind of tweak
on the album that he...
Well, his album doesn't have anything to do with it, though.
That's Cam.
He owes Cam a verse.
Yeah, but when I'm saying this, he's probably not going to do a verse for Cam.
He probably just do the podcast.
And he's not going to do the podcast until he has.
the album because you're not I mean it would not that he can't do the podcast without the album
yeah but he probably like if I go we don't want to hear shit from cold butt to fall off
yeah if I'm going on if I'm going on a podcast with cam and mace obviously the question is going
to come up yo what's up with the album and I want to be able to have a clear answer and be able to say
yo it's coming next week whatever whatever you know whatever it may be so I don't know it it
I understand it on on on on on camp side but um you know cold seems like he seems like he's a guy
that would honor something between him and camp yeah it seemed like he would honor that
whether it would be a verse or a interview on his podcast he seems like the type of person
that would honor that so maybe the timing is just maybe now if cam is reaching out to cole
and trying to have some communication and there's no it's very little communication there
then I can see Cam feeling like this is the only way for him to, you know what I'm saying?
Like go forward and proceed.
Like it's like, all right, well, I haven't spoke to Cole in seven months.
In the article that we have, it says that Cole has kept saying he's unavailable for the podcast.
What I'm wondering is, is this Cole's team that's handling this correspondence with Cam?
Because you know that that can make a difference too.
Like if my team is in charge, the way my team responds to you or deems you important might be different from the personal relationship.
that I have with you.
Yeah.
Because, you know what I'm saying?
Rory has complained about that.
I mean, Cam probably,
Cam been in the business long enough.
He feels something.
Yeah.
He feels it being a little cold, a little distant, a little, like it's not going to
happen.
And he, you know, this is the only result, I guess, of him to resolve the matter.
But, I mean, are people upset at Cam soon?
Is this like not hip-hop?
Is Cam not hip-hop now because he's soon?
So I was going to, I was going to bring that up.
I did see that.
I saw that rhetoric trying to be tracked online.
Cam is not hip hop now.
I saw that,
I saw that rhetoric trying to get trapped online.
But at the same time,
Cameron is not suing over a disc track
or suing over defamation because of a disc track.
That's not what Cameron is suing over.
He's suing over not getting the track.
He's suing over not getting the track.
Yeah, he's suing over not getting the money.
He's suing.
Yeah.
But it's different.
I know where you was going,
but we ain't going to go to it.
I'm not going nowhere.
I'm right here in the studio.
Okay, all right.
I'm just saying, like, let's not.
I'm just saying, is Cam not hip hop now?
Is that the new Cam is not hip hop?
Cam, he ain't keep it all in real.
Cam is a rat.
What else they're going to say?
There was some trolls that tried in.
People nip that shit in the butter me.
My niggas is crazy, man.
But yeah, I understand it.
Listen, Cam got to get it, you know,
he agreed upon.
He upheld his part of it.
He feels like Cole isn't.
And again, it would have to,
I think that it would have to be.
because there's literally little to no communication from cold side to him.
Like this is the result of I have no other choice because Cam is not, you know, he don't
really, I don't think we've ever seen Cam in this type of situation where he had to take
an artist to court over not holding up a contract or their side of a contract.
So this is probably just his last result.
Like, yo, dog.
Does this mean that Cam's working on music?
That's what that gives me.
Like Cam's working on music.
right now.
Because why you, if you're looking for a cold feature right now,
you ain't looking just to have that shit in the tuck.
Like, you're looking because you want to use it.
Honestly, I don't know why no,
I don't know why any rapper would be working on music right now
if they're not making like, like Cam's,
Cam is doing pretty well for himself with this show, right?
I don't think that an album from Cam right now would do much
because Cam has a very unique audience.
Now he has it built, he's built a bigger audience via it is what it is.
Shout out to him and Mace.
but the time that it takes to make music and record and things like that,
I don't know if Cam want to really do that.
A verse here and there is a little easier because it's just, you know,
let me lay a couple bars now.
You talk about a whole project.
Yeah.
That takes a lot of time, though.
And I don't know if Cam is willing.
He got so many other things going on.
I don't know if he's willing to kind of do.
So when you say that, you don't know why artists would want to do that,
especially when music isn't really selling like that.
are they not passionate about the art?
Because we say that the music now is lacking the passion that the artist had to the artistry or to the rap or to.
So are they not, is that not worth it?
Like when people say, yo, Jay, putting out no more music, this, this and that.
And I'm like, Jay will always put out music, I think, because Jay really loves to rap.
Yeah, but somebody like Jay, when you're at the level of a Jay Z, it has to make complete sense to sit down and put out of
album. Like you have, for one, just on an
inspiration, you got to be inspired on a different
level. Like when you've accomplished everything that
Jay-Z has to, like, what does another album
for Jay-Z do right now? Well, taking Jay-Z
out of it, even somebody like Cam.
If you love rap- Even Cam, Cam, has done
so much in rap and it's like, now
he has his other business ventures popping
off, what does an album do for
Cam right now? Unless he's
just absolutely inspired
and, you know, just like the zone
that he caught being in the studio and
listening to music and, you know, sitting with
producers, like, unless it's one of those where it's like, I caught a crazy zone and I was just
in there laying joints down and I looked up and had seven joints done it in this crazy.
If it's not that, I just don't think it makes sense, honestly, because Cam is a legacy artist
at this point.
Like, this would be him just doing it because, again, he's inspired.
It wouldn't hurt or help his legacy in any, for me, personally.
I mean, Cam is already solidified.
So I don't know.
Verses, though?
Like when you say, oh, Jay Cole won a verse.
Oh, bet.
I shoot a verse to Cole.
I fuck with Cole.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
He can really rap and, you know what I'm saying?
It's like, but a whole project, I just don't know if guys like Cam's even thinking about that because it's like, for what?
Like, what is it doing for me?
What is it, you know what I'm saying?
What is it doing for my brand right now?
And in the way people consume music now, well, I'm going to put it out at midnight for people at 12, 12 to be trashing it, saying this shit is terrible.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's like, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,
the artist like Cam even want to put out an album for right now because again it's like
it doesn't do nothing for his career he doesn't need to you know what I'm saying again
again if he's absolutely inspired and you know then that's totally different I can't speak to
an artist just being inspired it's like absolutely being inspired put out your put out your art but
if it's not that I don't think it makes sense I don't think it makes sense for Cam but we'll see what
happens with this J-Cold thing um J-Cold probably won't respond to it like you know publicly
it'll probably be handled with the lawyers and things like that
I don't think he's going to post anything, you know, saying anything in response to it.
But again, you know, it is what it is.
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Did you see this? Before we go into voice modes, I wanted to see if you know.
No, y'all keep asking me, I don't know who this is.
Kristen Annie Bell?
Kristen Bell is a white actress.
And the caption she wrote to her husband, I want to say, who also looks like her dad, because Kristen is very, very tiny.
Happy 12th wedding anniversary to the man who once said to me, I would never kill you.
A lot of men have killed their wives at a certain point.
Even though I'm heavily incentivized to kill you, I never would.
even though I'm heavily incentivized to kill you
can we pull up incentivized just so I understand
there would be a reward for killing her like he would get a reward out of killing her
like maybe life insurance or something like yeah he like he has plenty of motivation to kill
I'm heavily incentivized
provide someone this is
a thing that motivates or encourages one of it so he's encouraged he's heavily
encouraged and heavily motivated to kill it
heavily motivated to kill her, but he wouldn't.
Is Kristen, is she okay?
Has anybody checked on her?
I mean, she looks happy right here.
I don't.
We don't see her face.
We don't know if that's her.
They've been, you say she looks happy.
We don't even know if that's her.
They've been tearing her up because they said that she's making a joke out of domestic violence.
Because men do kill their wives, often, actually.
And she's making a joke.
Like, you said you would never kill me.
Oh, my God.
Happy birthday.
anniversary?
Is this like a maybe this is there any between them?
Yeah, but it ain't between them because we...
But then they put it out.
They put us in their business.
Well, she put it out.
So, yeah, that's just weird.
But people are weird.
You know, maybe this is, I don't know, their thing.
I don't, I've never, this is the first time I've ever seen a Christian Bell post.
I don't know her post history and how her caption game is.
So I don't, I don't know.
But that's definitely a little weird to say, yeah, even though you said I'm heavily
incentivized to kill you, I never would.
Yeah.
Again, has anybody
checked the clicking on
have we seen her?
Because this says this,
I mean,
I've seen this on First 48.
This could be the husband
uploading from her account.
Like we don't.
Who wasn't that said,
was it Cold Case or,
I don't know,
it was First 48
or a Dateline
that was like screenshoting this.
Yeah,
Dateline was like screenshoting this.
Yeah, me too.
I'm not to screenshot it.
Like, yo,
I told y'all that wasn't her in a picture.
Yeah.
Like that's very,
Yeah, that's just an odd
caption. Would you ever do an anniversary post? Like if your girl was like,
yo, we've been together for a year, like, is it time? Like, are you going to post me?
Like, would you post like the girl like, you settle down and y'all been together for a year?
Are you posting her? Especially with what you do for a living. Yeah.
Really?
Yeah. See, that's something I'm saying. You think, I don't know what you think about me.
That's crazy. I can only go off what I've seen.
Like, you only know me as thick. You don't know I've been skinny my whole entire life. But when you met me, I was thick.
So you only know me as being heavier set.
Like, that's the thing.
I can only go off what you show me.
If you ain't posted a bitch since I knew you, how I know you post girls.
Well, I'm not big.
I don't do that anyway.
I don't really, I don't post on social media anyway.
So, I mean, I don't know.
But if she wanted that, sure.
Like if it was my girl, she's like, I'm, I'm a anniversary.
Sure, I would.
I have no problem.
Like, not marriage anniversary, girlfriend anniversary.
Yeah.
Hmm.
If she wanted that, like, if that's something she wanted, like, for whatever reason she wanted to.
So she would have to ask for you.
you wouldn't just do it.
I wouldn't,
I don't post.
You go look at my page right now.
I haven't posted.
If it's not this show,
I don't post.
I'm not on social media like that.
Even though people think I am,
I'm really not, though.
You be scrolling.
You be scrolling.
Oh, I score because I need to be in tune
of what's happening.
I need to know what's going on.
Yeah, like I might miss something.
It's like, okay, cool.
I see what's going on.
But posting, like, in my personal life,
yo, I'm here.
Selfie.
I'm not that guy.
I'm not doing that.
Me?
What am I?
Yeah, your anniversary is coming up.
It is not.
Like, you were like four months,
is-ish.
My bad.
And I usually don't even do shit like that.
My bad.
I'm sorry.
That timestamp was crazy.
That timestamp was absolutely crazy.
My bad, baby, Dee.
Because I already, you know, I know my bad.
I'm not even, my bad.
My bad.
My bad.
Give a take.
Over and under.
Yeah, over and under.
But what did you post?
I posted about his birthday.
I'm my story.
I posted about his birthday.
But see, my thing is...
Nah, not the story.
I post a line story.
That deletes in 24.
You know what I mean?
I get around 8,000 views in Twitter.
That's a lot of people to see that.
Yeah, but still, though.
Put it on the page, though.
Here's the thing.
Because I know my emotional capabilities, when I get upset, I start deleting shit.
Okay.
So when I get upset, I start deleting shit.
So I'm not going to do that because then I can't put it back up when I'm not mad at you.
I've been mad at you.
at you for 30 minutes.
I don't fucked around.
I took the post down.
Now everybody think we broken up.
I don't even want to do that.
Okay.
Also, I don't want people to find him.
Why?
Because, just because I've decided to live my life out in the public arena,
vlogging, podcasting, he didn't make that decision.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, he does.
He's trying to protect his anonymity.
Yeah, like protect his privacy.
He's a very private person.
I'm the exact opposite of a private person, but he didn't, he didn't, he signed up for
me, but he didn't sign up for his business.
I know that's right.
He signed up for you.
Peaswired, please.
That was an interesting.
He signed up for you.
Do he know what he signed up for though?
He found out.
I know that's right.
He found out.
He may not have known,
but he found out.
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I'm going to try to keep this brief.
Long story short, met this girl on Twitter.
We was talking back and forth,
you know what I'm saying?
She started moving really quick.
pet memes, we're talking kids, possibly trying to see each other.
She live in Kentucky.
I'm in Jersey.
You know what I'm saying?
So shit was moving at a rapid pace.
And then about 10 days in, she was like, oh, shit, I forgot.
My light bills almost do, da, da, da, da, da.
And I was just like, damn, son, you know what I mean?
Like, I'm going to pray for you, hope everything work out.
And she was like, wow, you're not even going to ask me how much it is.
Are you willing to help me?
And I'm like, niggie, da, da, da.
And I'm like, nigger, you don't even know.
my last name. Like, what the fuck would I be sending you some bread? You know what I'm saying?
So we got into a little one-to about it. It was no big deal on my end. I'm like, listen,
you can say what you want, but I'm not sending you no fucking money, you know what I'm saying?
So we move past it and it seems like ever since then, everything is brand new now. Like she stopped
with all the love. Well, I ain't going to say stop, but she slowed down dramatically with all the
lovey-dovey stuff. You know what I'm saying? She's way like short with me. She used to text me all day,
every day and now it's like I hear from her sporadically throughout you know days at a time and on one
hand I'm kind of like well if her situation is real and like she ain't got no power I would
understand the lack of communication and also saying the stress were hindering her from being like
lovey-dovey with me you know what I'm saying on the other hand it kind of feel like hey since I can
send her to bread she acted brand new he said he said I mean if she ain't got no power I can understand
why like the communication is but I can he kind of lower
me because was this a girl that, because how did he go from saying they was talking about having
kids and all of this to she asking for like money because her electricity is all the
cut off? Like I don't understand like how you're talking about kids, but then you're mad that
she asked you for money for her bill. That's the thing. That's the thing with that love bomb
and shit. If you're going to love bomb, go all the way. I saw a girl through the other day.
I hate a trick that me. I hate a fake trick. Don't tell me what you. Don't tell me what you
what you want to do or what you was going to do, do it.
Do it.
But he ain't even pretend that he was like that.
My thing is you can't want to move at a rapid pace.
And then when she's moving at a rapid pace too financially, you're like, whoa, you don't even know my last name.
So what the fuck you're talking about kids with me?
Yeah, that's, yeah.
You can't do that.
If you're going to move at a rabbit's fucking pace, then that's what you got to do.
Oh, you got to go all the way.
You can't pick and choose what you want to move fast in.
And then she, her bill is doing.
and she's like, yo, I need some money for my lights.
Like, you just talking about having kids with this woman.
Mm-hmm.
Like, how was, how was the light bill too much?
Because light bills don't even be high like that, for real.
Yeah, kids cost more than light bill.
For sure.
Family called like-
abortions.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, yeah, that's a valid point.
Like.
That is a valid point.
Kids, abortion costs more than lights.
That's for sure.
So this is the thing.
If I hear you, right, if you will,
weren't also moving fast, if you weren't moving so fast.
Yeah, if he wasn't, if you wasn't, if you wasn't, like, making her feel like y'all
was on the same page, again, y'all talking my kids, she getting a level of comfortability
there where it's, like, bills is, that's like the minimum at this point.
We're talking about starting family.
Like, bills is, that's part of the conversation of now.
Yeah.
You're introducing that energy.
You're making her feel like, okay, this is the guy I'm going to be with.
This is the father of my, you know, we told him about having kids being starting a family.
Yeah, so her level of comfortability is at the point of like, yo, like my bills and my lights is about to get, she's not wrong.
And my thing is, and let's clarify, because I don't want y'all saying that me and all think that y'all should be paying women's light bills 10 days in.
No, no, no, absolutely not.
But you shouldn't be talking about starting family 10 days in either.
Yeah, like you can't go halfway.
If you're going to do it, go all the way.
Also, why are you going to be with a girl that can't pay her light bill?
Pussy too good.
He ain't hit yet.
He ain't hit yet?
He didn't hit yet.
Or did he?
He didn't say he did he?
No, he said she live in Kentucky and she live in Jersey.
What that mean?
That don't mean he didn't mean.
It don't mean.
Wait, play it out again, Josh.
Because if he ain't have sex with this girl, he's talking about, he's a bozo.
No, he said they started talking about, yeah, I'm telling you he hasn't hit yet.
They started talking about that straight off the bat.
And then he was like, she slowed down and hasn't been to, you don't got put in.
It hasn't been too lovey-dovey.
She's slowed down ever since because she slowed down because it's like, oh, you ain't moving that fast.
I'm a slow down too.
You can't be talking like this about a girl you haven't had sex with yet.
Yes, you can.
Well, you can.
Because then once you have sex and it's good, then it's everything else solidify.
But when, okay, that's if it's good.
What if it's not?
Sex is good more often than it's bad.
That's not true.
I'm sorry.
That's not true.
Sex is good more often than it's supposed.
Bad. Well, you're a man.
So you're going to nut regardless.
Nah.
Pickle.
Nah, man.
I'm telling you, bro, you set yourself up for failure with that a lot.
It's a lot of bad sex out there.
There is.
But, Ma, you can't tell me that you've had more bad sexual experiences than good ones.
No, I haven't.
When I say, I don't mean mid.
I mean bad.
No.
No, I haven't.
I know you haven't.
Yeah, because once you have bad sex, that's the last time we're going to have sex.
So we're not going to keep having bad sex.
Sometimes you need to ease it your way into it, though.
You never had a bad first time, and then y'all tried it the second time and was like, oh, okay, like, I just, we got better chemistry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But that's like, I'm talking about when it's bad, like, we are never doing that again.
Well, what made it bad?
When you had bad sex, what made it bad?
Just the chemistry just wasn't, wasn't there.
Like, y'all couldn't, like, catch a rhythm, like, it was just awkward.
No, I, I-Rie hugging that girl.
I had the rhythm, but it was like she was trying to do, too.
I think, like, she may have watched too many movies or something, and she was trying to
do, I guess, like, shit she saw?
Like what?
Just like, just, like, you, you throwing it back, but it's like the way you throwing it
is like, it ain't really ass you throwing.
Like, you're just pushing your whole body back.
Oh.
You got to throw, it got, the ass got to throw back.
Not like your shoulders shouldn't be coming like.
Toward you.
You shouldn't be doing that.
It's supposed to just be assed.
Just the ass supposed to pop off the, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
You shouldn't be doing this.
Oh.
Yeah, like, come on, what we're doing?
Like, I'm at the end of the bed now.
Like, come on.
You couldn't handle it.
It was trash.
I didn't want it.
I was trying to get out of it.
Okay.
Did you like flip her over like to get her to stop moving?
Yeah, I mean, I got, you know, I had to, it was like, listen, let me just, I got this.
Stop moving?
Yeah, I got this.
You know what I'm saying?
Because he's like, you know, you know how we all are.
Y'all are.
Y'all don't want the guy to say she was just laying there.
No, you can just lay here.
I got it.
Let me get minds off.
Because once I get minds off, this is over.
Yeah.
Just because she threw it back awkwardly.
No, it was just the, just the rhythm.
It just wasn't, trust me.
But it wasn't, I've had great.
See, once you have great sex,
you're not settling for,
you're not having bad sex.
I don't need to be doing this.
Yeah.
I don't need to.
Shorty is,
she waiting for me to call her.
Her sex is amazing.
I'm just not fucking on her right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's how, you know,
that's like how spin the block happens.
Of course.
You go out into the world and be like,
oh, this is ass.
The date was asked.
sex is ass, the head is, it's so much
ass out in the world. You go back, you be like, oh,
I'm gonna go back in. I've had plenty of those. Like,
dating a woman and then it's like,
you know, she's still fucking around.
And it's like, go ahead, go out there.
Short enough, two months later,
try to spend, I'm like.
You like having sex in music?
With music?
It don't matter. I think we've had that.
I don't, when I'm having sex after the time I own,
they could be the TV on. I don't do it. So you don't have, like,
a sex playlist, like a she coming over, like
playlist, like with shot A and like.
I've had Chris Brown and Tank on it.
No.
I've had, I don't set a playlist when a woman's coming over.
I don't be like, oh, I'm going to set this.
Funny story.
It's a dude that lives.
So the way my building is, right?
It's a building across from mine.
And like, since it's a high-rise buildings, we can kind of like,
you can kind of see in each other's apartments a little bit.
It's just one dude that lives across from me.
Like, and I don't know why, but like, I think because he has, like, all of his blinds open,
all his shades open
and it's like
we're kind of like
on the same floor
and when I can see
like whenever he comes home
and like if I'm in the living room
or I'm doing something in the kitchen
if he turns his TV
or his kitchen lights on
it's like
it all lights up
because all his his shades is up
so like twice
I've caught him like
in his own like
dancing and shit
so I'll be in the kitchen
looking and I'm just laughing
like just like
because he don't know
he don't know I can see him
because it's not, we're not like crazy clothes,
but it's like it's so bright you can see.
So I noticed what it is now.
He'd get into his zone when he got a piece coming over.
You lying.
So he'd be having the candles lit.
He'd be having like, so I guess he got music playing and all that.
So he'd be dancing, right?
And it's short left, sure enough, 20, 30 minutes later,
a girl come through.
And then like, like, you can tell like,
oh, he was getting into his zone.
like he has some action coming over
so then I get like she'll leave
and I'm a creep for watching all of this shit
but it's like if I'm in the living room chilling
like I'm doing I'm on the phone
whatever I could literally I could see it
so like she'll get up and leave the room
I'm guessing she go to the bathroom
yo this nigga get on the floor
you start doing pushups
I'm like yo I'm like yo I'm in there laughing
I'm like yo she don't even know that this
nigga is in there
he is preparing like
bitch let's fuck like all this shit you do
I'm trying to watch TV eat and all that
like let's just get to the shit
like I've seen him do that shit like two times already
and it's the like I want to meet this dude
like I want to bump it to him like walking
up the block to just be like your dog
close your fucking shade
I'm tired of seeing you getting into your zone
whenever you got some
a woman coming like I'm talking about literally
candles lit everywhere
like he'd be set in the move
men do pushups before when she go into the bathroom
to do that little clean off thing that we do
where we go and double check and make sure
that our draws still smell fresh
that thing that we do, make sure you do push up
so that you could last longer
it increases your testosterone.
But why y'all do that?
So if y'all have your own products with you,
or are you hoping that you can find something to hit by the phone?
If I find something in there, then we ain't fucking, we arguing.
So, no, I have my own products.
Like, the fuck, I go in there and it's like.
Yo, it's so much.
It's like, yo, dating is crazy.
Like, when you think about it?
It's too much, bro.
It's too many, like, dot and T's and crossing eyes that goes into dating.
Like, there's no way that man should be in the house doing all of that
before a girl come over.
Like what you know?
Yeah, I make sure he impress her.
He got last long.
He might have ED.
That might be one of the things
his doctors told him to help make him last longer.
Make him be able to get back up after the first round.
Yeah.
All right.
Didn't one of y'all, didn't you or Rory say that Chalk done?
Squats.
Squats.
Squats and red wine.
Red wine reduction.
Squats and red wine.
You really are a bad bitch.
You going to drink wine with me tonight?
I mean, today.
Ooh, tonight's sounded crazy.
Today?
I don't know if I'm going to drink wine.
It's a little too early for wine.
It's not.
It's five o'clock, Ma.
Yeah, but that's red wine?
I feel like we need to be, like, at dinner, like,
red wine at five is crazy.
We're going to dinner, though.
I don't know if we're drinking red wine, no.
Not red wine.
Josh, play another voice, ma'am.
Yo, this is Jarvis all the way from Georgia.
Jarvis.
I got some reds for you.
But go ahead and let you know off the real.
I don't know nothing by no bodegas.
No subways, metros,
Metro's, bacon egg on a bagels.
See, I'm from the South.
Georgia Pacific.
about peaches and Black Baptist churches where your granddad is the deacon. I only bring these things
up just for me to mention that his differences between us, let alone miles of distance. But I don't stop
my heart, nor death, nor good intentions. So you smiling so hard, your cheekbones carving and ditching.
Jay Cole said, he want to fold clothes with his missus. I'm trying to cook, load the washer,
let them dry and stack the dishes, trying to write you letters to sort of envelope with a hundred kisses,
trying to bring you to the south, get a feel for your character risks, let you hear from horse's mouth.
I want to hear about all your interests. This is not.
a poem. This is just my feelings for you to find. It's not a story, but a prophecy way in
on proper time. Oh, he stepped in his business with you, baby, Dee. This ain't a story.
This is me just dropping the line and let you know that the time will align in the divine rhymes.
He was getting his sit-off. Now, he inspired me right there. He inspired me to write that.
Respond.
First of all, that was a beautiful spoken word, poem, rap, whatever was. It wasn't a poem.
A rap.
16, whatever it was.
It was very beautiful.
I appreciate you taking the time out to write something like that to me.
I know that that took time and that took energy and creativity.
I appreciate it.
I am unfortunately taken.
I mean, oh, my.
Yo!
You see how fast?
Yo, bees.
That wasn't 30 minutes.
Yo, that's crazy.
Unfortunately, you take it?
Hold on.
No, sir.
No.
Fam getting red wine,
reduction in all that
And there's a way you go
And now sit down
Ain't a hold on
Oh, hold on
Unfortunately
Baby D is in the relationship
fan Jarvis
Jarvis is your name Jarvis
Unfortunately
Not a
Not unfortunately
Baby Dish in a relationship
When yo y'all ain't shit
Yo
That shit just jumped out
You didn't even realize
What you were saying
That she just jumped out
Unfortunately I'm in a relationship
Let me finish my sentence
Unfortunately for you, I am in a relationship.
Fortunately for me, I'm very happy.
But unfortunately for you, I am in a relationship with someone else who lives in,
in Georgia and is licensed to care.
That might be his man.
He might have sent his homie to send that voicemail.
Send his voicemail to see how she was far.
No, no.
My baby, he was wrong.
Unfortunately, I'm in a relationship.
Now, that was beautiful.
I'm going to write a poem back to him.
You're going to write a poem back to him?
Yeah, I'm going to write a poem back to him.
About our unrequited love.
Do homie know you be writing poems?
What's homie name?
He knows?
Yo, are you...
Who you work for, my nigga?
You just said you got a man.
Do he know you writing poems, the niggas?
I haven't written yet.
So why would I tell him about something that hasn't happened yet?
Unfortunately, but I'm going to write him a poem back.
He took a poem back.
Don't be writing a poem on that.
Don't do that.
He don't need a poem back.
Sir, Jarvis, sir.
Thank you.
Demaris is taken.
She's in a happy relationship.
Write a poem to Marl.
All is accepting all poems.
Not from no niggas, ain't?
Why not?
Because that's gay.
I'm not gay.
I don't fight men.
Men shouldn't write me poems.
Oh my God.
Don't write me no poems.
I don't want no poems from no men.
Josh has done anything else we got to cover?
We're wrapping up.
Oh, well, happy Halloween.
Yo, Pete, we'll be doing tonight, man.
We're going to the parade tomorrow?
It's a parade tomorrow?
It's a parade every year Halloween.
We've got the biggest parade in the country in New York.
You ain't know that?
There's some scary shit going on.
No, the NYC parade is like legendary, though.
Have you ever been?
Mm-mm.
Oh, you got to go.
You got experience it one time.
It's gotten different over the years.
Like, it used to be like out of it.
controlled. Like, it's more controlled and like, you know, but back in like when I was in high school
one, yeah, this was the time of year. We just be in downtown fucking people up for no reason.
And I won't be there. Thank you so much. No, but now it's, no, now it's more.
It's safe. Yeah, safe. It's more, you know, it's more just about the parade and costumes and
creativity and things like that. Like, yeah. We just needed an excuse to just be doing delinquish
shit. That's all. Well, it was getting late. Let's get out of here and go on our date.
Let's do that.
We're going to sneakie shopping.
Get some food.
Maybe a nightcap.
Maybe a nightcap.
Maybe a movie or something.
Don't be trying to touch me in a theater though because y'all be getting like one nigga.
If I touched you, you will open up like a fucking oyster.
Oh, ass, nigger.
Unfortunately for you.
We're told to y'all soon.
Be safe.
Be blessed.
I'm that nigga.
That's baby D.
A win is a win.
A win.
A win is a win.
I don't care what you're saying.
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