New Rory & MAL - Episode 420 | Spa Day

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Rory is back from sea and the fam is back together. The “Rock The Bells” Cruise had Rory living his best life, and sharing intimate moments with his male masseuse. The release of Big L’s latest posthumous drop has Rory and Mal thinking about who is the biggest “What if?” ever. The Grammy’s decided to create a new country category so black women can’t win the award anymore. An old Verzuz debate resurfaces, but Rory and Mal felt the need to remind y’all that nobody is seeing Jay-Z in a neutral field competition. Plus, Jhene and Big Sean calling it quits doesn’t feel right to Mal, Snoop’s cousin sues Spotify, and Demaris gives a caller advice about the lack of sex in his relationship #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The volume. that you guys finally did the lighting that I would have preferred the week that I'm gone. What are you talking about? Lighting that would have done well on my pigment, you guys do when I... There was no light. Exactly. So you don't want no light? Yes, I've been saying that for five years now.

It's so bright. I look insane every time. So you want them to kill this light or that light? Mainly this light, but every time we've done that, it looked weird because you were too dark. But now that I know you guys can do it, I feel like every single episode should be Halloween episode. Nah. I would have strived in that lighting. Yeah.

Instead of this blown out lack of melanin that I have here. Baby, do you see how when the white man comes back, there's always something. It's negativity. It's issues. It's always like,

what else? What else did you notice why you were going, sir? That you guys did an amazing job, held it down and I enjoyed both episodes. Yeah, that's called gaslighting. Yeah, no. You did not watch the episodes.

I watched the Halloween one. I saw the clips of the first one. Okay. You watched the whole Halloween episode? Yeah, it was really good. You guys are cute. Did you enjoy that one? Well, I can't enjoy an episode?

No, I'm just asking. I can't enjoy this pod? He only watched it because he liked the light end. That's why. He was like, ooh. No, I was kind of, I was, I went in with hate. Oh, yeah. And I was like, I was like this.

Oh, so the lighting is what. I was like, visually, it's amazing. This is what I've always wanted for the podcast because of, you know, my, my very much lack of melanin and pigmently challenged skin here. That's what I've always wanted. And then I was like, but the audio is going to suck. I was like, damn, damn, they're funny. Yeah.

Well, what happened? You didn't get a tan, and you still looked the same complexion when you left. Oh, listen, man. The cruise ships, they got canopies. You don't even got to be in the sun. But you got off on the islands, right? Yeah. So you didn't get out and...

Golf cart had a thing over it. There was a canopy at the pool party. You went from canopy to canopy? Yeah, palm tree to pontry. I was scooting around. How was it? Well, first I'll say, we are back as a squad, sponsored by Boost. Merch is available right now in New Rorymore.com.

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Yeah, exactly. Also, you want to listen to all of our episodes with no ads, $5 a month on Patreon.com forward slash new Rory Mall. Also a $10 tier, $20 tier with a bunch of great episodes and bonus content and all that fun stuff. Including me and Maul's vlog that just came out last night. Which I was hoping it would hit the chat so I could watch it. Because I hit Demaris, right?

This is how you knew I was hating. I barely had Wi-Fi. I did want to check in on you guys. I even brought my little camera for my laptop, but Wi-Fi was tough. I saw you guys post a photo after the episode or whatever. I'm like, wait, it takes me to leave for y'all to hang out. The whole time you thought I was the problem.

No, baby. No, you and I hang out. I was shocked you got them all to hang out. But I didn't know it's for a vlog. I mean, yeah, it was hanging out. We went to eat and went my sneakers shopping. Oh, so you finally got your sneakers? No, but you know, watch the vlog.

That's crazy that he brought you to the water and didn't teach you out of fish. That's fucking nuts. No. No, they didn't have a size there. Okay. But you ordered it for it, right? Well, I sent them to fresh goods. No response?

I just, he just responded. I'm just talking to him now. You know, he had his thing all weekend, so I wasn't like going to the line. Which he may have put out my two favorite sneakers of his ever, which is saying something. That, like, cream version might be my favorite sneaker I've ever seen. Even Demaris DM me was like, The shoe is you.

Yeah. It's a silhouette of you. Shout to Joe Fresh Goods, man. But yeah. The cruise was amazing. You know, I was in, I was in hip hop heaven. How was it? I was a little nervous going on because, again, I've never been on a cruise.

I had a few friends on a cruise, too. They was posting. I was like, oh, shit. Like, a few of the homies went. Okay. Yeah. There was a few people yelled out, what's up, Mall. Per usual.

That is crazy. I think Twister called me Mall. That's funny. I've seen Twist on the elevator. You know, Mo. No, I'm joking. Twister watches our show. Like, for real, watches our show.

Like, people say that and then he started bringing stuff up. But I was like, oh, she, like, Twister really watches. That's kind of cool. Shout out to Twister. That's dope, man. But yeah, I was nervous going in because you can't escape when you're on a boat. And I had a fucking blast. Like, it was the aunties and uncles for sure, but everybody danced at parties.

Nobody really had their phone out. Like, everybody was in the moment enjoying what was going on. 90s babies. Well, I'm a 90s baby. You think I'm Auntie Uncle? Well, 80s babies then. 70s babies on there for sure. Seventies babies was performing.

For sure. There were some 60s babies. The Kooji Rap performance is one of the best performance I've ever seen. Cool Jee rap might have been born in the 50s. No offense to Kooji. Yeah. But, no, it was like, it was weird. Because I've had the privilege to be around a lot of, like, my favorite rappers.

and I know everyone doesn't get that but on this cruise literally you could just be in the cafeteria and you just see Jada kiss getting eggs Yeah Like it's not like It's not like super segregated Like you just chilling like

You know what Let me go get a bottle of water Yeah The golf's right there Yeah Outan And it was cool because like It was just that crowd where like

Yeah oh shit that's Jada kiss But like nobody was tripping out Like let him eat his eggs Yeah yeah Yeah he was freaking out, but then you get off the elevator and you see Little C's playing corrupt Ghostface's new album. It's like what the fuck is going on, right? Like he has a dog pound jacket on, Lil C's if you know that whole history. Right. And it's C's trying to put Corrupt onto the new

ghost face album and Corrupt is sitting there like, when this come out? Yeah, yeah. It was, it was incredible. I'd also never seen the dog pound perform live. Holy shit. We was all upstairs drinking a little bit. I was like, how are they going to turn this one on? Because I could hear some mumbles and words. It was the most professional shit I'd ever say. I've never seen two people get so sober so quickly and put on one of the greatest performances I've ever seen. How was the sound system?

Because that was one thing I was like thinking about the whole time. Like, what is the sound system like? Truthfully, the first day it was a little, a tiny bit shaky just because I think they switched the ship. We were a little delayed just because of that. It wasn't rocked the bell's fault. I think it was something with Norwegian Cruise, but they made up for it pretty pretty quickly okay um i had never really seen lupa

perform live and if i have i think maybe it was opening for conier lupe is one of the better rap performers i've ever seen like if you just give somebody a microphone and a dj holds a crowd here it sounds like you're listening to the actual fucking song doesn't miss a fucking lyric it was incredible like i can't say enough about it the locks is the locks we already know that's that's gonna go go go smiths this flight they flew in right to the Bahamas. As they should. He got on a kayak and made his way from the stage.

I don't think he missed the cruise. I think he meant this. Like, I'm not, fly me to the Bahamas. I meet y'all in the Bahamas. But no, it was, it was just a, it was just a lot of fun. Like, I got to chop it up with dead prez on a panel, like, just such random shit. Like, go upstairs, about to smoke with an unnamed rapper, because I don't think people know he smoked.

And it's just nappy roots chilling there. People don't know a rapper smokes? Yeah. There's a lot of rappers that pretend to be sober on the microphone, and they're not. So I just, you know. That's part of the rap aesthetic. Like, you learn how to rap before you know how to count bar. I mean, smoke before you got to count bars.

But you know, there's some, like, rappers that put out, like, that they're, like, they give logic that shit where he was like the sober rapper and they've caught him being drunk mad times. It's like, no, come on. You're taking the allure out of shit. Yeah, but not. If this rapper says he doesn't smoke, then that's different. That's what I'm saying.

He has that perception of that. Perception or has he said he doesn't smoke? He said he doesn't. Like that's part of his rhyme being dead sober. We was dead not. Okay. He was dead high. I had a moment you had when you told the Stiles Peace story at SOBs when you were like,

he was smoking security guard. I was like, let me see if he's really like that. So we were upstairs like on the highest deck where like all the talent stayed or whatever. It's like 5 o'clock in the morning. Music is blaring. Man, he fresh is DJ just off a set that he took out of his room. He's like, I'll plug this shit up.

It's not like they had a set. already. Security comes in. Corrupt's right there. He said, you better chill. Security guard went with all the aggression in the fucking world. I was like, yo, my bad. My bad. I was like, yes, corrupt is like that. But what was he telling corrupt not to do? Stop playing the music. Oh, they didn't want to anybody playing music. Yeah. Okay. You can't tell rappers on a rock the bells crew not to play music. Oh, I can, I thought, I thought I could hang. They was up. I went down at like 6 o'clock in the morning. They went to like 8 a.m. All the guys older than me. Way older than me.

Still drinking. I cannot hang with the old folks anymore. So is this going to be a are they going to continue to do the cruise? Yeah. I mean this year went extremely well. I don't see why not. I would have to imagine the overhead is much lower. Yeah. I mean, I don't know much about how cruise overhead stuff works in that regard,

but I mean, it was every day was fucking amazing. It was just hip-hop heaven the entire time. So your first cruise was successful? For sure. You want to go on another one? I will say, I think we caught some of prayers to everyone in Jamaica

Hurricane Melissa it completely avoided us that was also why we were delayed a bit because we were trying to figure out what the weather was going to look like we caught like obviously not any storm it was clear skies but you know you know how tides work

you know chop it's a little bit of chop that's all you don't know shit about chop so it was a little choppy going back to Miami yeah duh

I had to do it I didn't do a one and it being choppy on a crew ship like if you could feel that on a crew shit Yo, I was sitting there. Shout out to my homegirl now. Brandy Denise, I want to have her on the pod. She's very, very funny as a special on Hulu.

We hosted a wine panel. The last day. When I tell you, we might as well snorted a, what's that shit called that you take? Cocaine. No, for motion sickness. Oh. Starts with a D. Drummo.

Maybe a T. Yeah. We was ready to snort that shit. I was fucked up. Yeah. Oh, wine in shop sounds terrible. I was taking one little sip. Like, what did you taste like?

I don't know. Yeah. I'm going to throw up. Yeah, that's a bad combination. Well, yeah, it was because of the hurricane shit. Yeah. Yeah, it was bad. But that was dope, everybody had a good time.

Like I said, a few of my friends was on a cruise or stuff. I saw people posting videos and shit. So it looked like it was dope. It was a good time. Yeah. You would do it again? Oh, absolutely. Without question.

Next year, whether we're booked or not. What was the sleeping quarters like? They were nice. Yeah. It was like. all right well i will say i went into little brother's room you might as well been in fucking uh trump's penthouse of how no i'm not i'm not even exaggerating i said wait they got this type of shit on this boat

that shit looked like a new yorks you know what's billionaires row it looked like that my shit was cool let me talk away yeah i mean little brother headline like two nights so i mean i can see the difference but yeah yeah yeah um yeah the 14th floor was insane as far as that but but mine i was on nine and it was cool. It was a nice hotel room. Water pressure was all right too. That was my biggest thing. Like, I might have to shower. What's the water pressure going to be like? Because you have to understand like with the amount of sunscreen I put on, I got to shower like three times a day to get all that shit off. So that was my biggest worry, but it was cool. I mean, outside of, you know,

being mistaken for Paul Wall on camera. Yeah. I mean, naturally, you knew that was going to happen. On a rock the bells crew. You look nothing like Paul Wall. Paul Wall is hot. No, but you guys, all right. Damn. Well, I mean, well, hold on. Okay. Those are two separate statements. I'm not saying you don't look like Paul Wall because you're not hot. I'm just saying you don't look like Paul Wall, period. And Paul Wall is hot. Two separate statements.

I don't think that was as good a cleanup as you think it was. Yeah, I mean, I like this. I like the attempt. It didn't make much sense. You tried to save it. Yeah, I get that. If you're in the grammar, like, yeah, get it, you know. So you're trying, I feel like that's another shot.

So you try to say, we're not in the grammar? No, like it's not your thing. Grammar isn't my thing. Like your thing. I'll have you know, I had the highest. I'll have you know. I had the highest. SAT school on my school, right?

When it came to that, all right, I could, one thing I could do, I may not be able to add good, but I can read, God damn it. I'll have you know it's funny. I'll have you know. Yeah, sorry. But no, it was a funnier backstory to that Paul Walshit

because I posted on Instagram and, of course, everyone laughed. But if you knew the loser backstory to it, you would laugh even harder at me. So I was with the PR team that worked with Rock the Bells and Sixth Man, put the whole thing together. So I'm at dinner with that third party PR team.

Just meeting everyone, smusing, you know that whole fucking thing. Yeah, doing the thing. Yeah, you know, like, so we get up after dinner and this girl approached me like, you know, like hugging me, like, what's up? I'm your biggest fan. I love you. And in my head, I got all the PR execs behind me. And I'm like, perfect timing.

It's me. Of course it's going to happen right away. Now they know who they went to dinner with. They know what time it is. Pandamom. The second I leave a table. I was like, I got you. I'll do a video for you.

What's your name? What's your name? All the execs standing around, just see her go. I've been listening to Paul Wall since the 90s. All of me deflated and then I had to walk out

with all those PR execs right after. After feeling like the fucking man. It's me, man. These PR execs, see, they know who they hired. Finally got some respect on here. Yeah, but I should host the whole crew. You see what happens.

Yeah, yeah. This didn't happen when kids left the spot. She thought she was Paul Wall. Oh my God, man. Well, yeah, it was fun. But that piece pulled that picture up or Josh put that picture up. You look nothing like Paul. Not even a little bit.

Like it's not even close. Imagine seeing like Paul Wall kind of like Sean a little bit when he smiled like that. Yeah, it's a good call. That's a good Halloween costume for Sean. It's the hair. It's the comb over. A cowlick. And I think with the gray beard, yeah.

Yeah. And then the gray, yeah. That would be easy Halloween costume, though. But Paul Wall was on the vote. I didn't see him. I think he did the, like, the dock party where he got off. Because juvenile did the same thing. Okay.

I was tired. I thought it was going to be with juvie for the week. I was just waiting. Or they just performed on an island? Because, all right, so you dock and you leave like late that night. So there's the day everyone boards, get situated because getting a bunch of people on a cruise ship is very difficult. It's not like getting a plane. So they do a party that night and then everyone goes to sleep and then they leave

like, you wake up and you're in the ocean. So people that perform that day just got off the boat. Like treated it just like a Miami performance or whatever. Okay. But, you know, I was, hoping Julie was going to be on the boat the whole time. That would have been fucking hilarious. Baby Dee, how much do you care about the hotel rooms when you go on vacation? That's the most important thing. It's the most important thing. You on that side? I'm on that side too. I never understand how people say they don't care about the room, like, as long as, like, the resort is nice. And I'm like, and I'm like, and you know how sometimes you don't want to, like, jump into a conversation for, like, you to outcast because I'm like, wait, y'all don't care about the room at all. Like, I'm, if I go on vacation and the room is trash, I'm pissed off.

Yeah. It ruins the whole vacation. Yeah, my vacation is ruined. Some people are like, oh, I only need the room to sleep and shower. I'm like, not on vacation, though. Vacation, you need a nice room, comfortable, you know, everything is when you. Who house be dirty? Read the signs.

Like I can't like also. And I don't even want to do that. Let me stop. As jokes. A lot of people are like excursioners. They want to like excursion. I like to sleep on vacation. I sleep and I relax.

So yes, the room is very important. But I can understand that for somebody who wants to leave the room in time. But so you still got to come back and sleep. Like you're not comfy. Like the beds and I don't know. I was out yesterday.

I had went out. But I was out later than I expected. So I'm on my way back home. So I'm like, yeah, man, I get to shower and just go right to sleep. This is like when you know you're an adult. What do y'all think happened? Shit yourself. No.

Realized on my way home that I had to make my bed when I got in. That's the worst. Oh, dog. Y'all just don't understand. That ruined my fucking night. Wait, like sheets off completely? Bed was bare. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's the worst. actually just recently saw a funny meme. Oh my God. Y'all don't understand. Like, I'm on the way home and I'm like, yo, I got to go make a bed. As in a, like, that's one of the worst. Like, you be out having a good time. And all in your way home, you realize like, oh, shit.

But that's why you can't do that, though. You can't. You can't. Oh, my. That fuck my night up. I'm going to be real with you. That little thing, fuck my entire night up. I've been there.

Like, I made that bed up so upset. I don't even know if the right sheet is on the bed right now. That's how that was there. It was just a big hoodie. I was like, yo, what's the fuck? I was this close doing some ignorant shit and sleeping like on a bed bed with just like like wrap yourself in the blanket like a burrito. I've done that more than once before.

Yeah, yeah. I was on that type of time. I was like, yo, I ain't going to lie. Like getting out the shower. And do you make the bed before you get in the shower after you're out of the shower? I've got to do it before. No. Hell not.

No. My dirty ass body is not touching the sheets. Yeah. No, I got to be after baby. Who whole body touching the sheets? Like, just wash your hands and make the bed. I got a duvet cover. You got a tie.

I got to get inside. Yeah, nah. I got to dig through the trenches. You don't know how to do the army curl in my duvet. He said he gets in the duvet straight. You know, and then I pull it out like this.

Yeah, I forgot you said that's the only way I do it to this day. You can not roll it into it. I have to Lieutenant Dan my whole duvet to do it properly because I got to do the ties. Like, no, I turn to a fucking Navy seal when I do that shit. Oh my God. I forgot.

you said that's how you made change the duvet cover you're crawling inside the duvet is fucking wild like a challenge yes that was my smaller convenience that almost ruined my fucking night i was like god damn it there's nothing worse than going home after hanging out and you realize i got to clean up i got to straighten up nothing's worse than coming home from vacation your house isn't clean oh you can't go on vacation with a dirty house you did not no i didn't know i'd done that many times but i've gotten to the age now where i'm going on the rock the bells mature cruise. I'm cleaning my whole crib. So when I get home, the shit. Duve cover, already

crawled through it. Everything is good. Everything. It's crazy how you're like, that's something you're not told. Like, you just have, you pick up on that. Yeah. That you go. I got to make sure everything is straight. There's nothing worse than coming back from vacation and your house is a mess. That's the worst shit ever. No, there's a funny meme that I just recently saw. It's funny that you brought that up of, it was a guy and girl that was,

it looked like there was a couple. And he was standing up on a couch with a bottle. And she's looking up in him and says, he doesn't know we haven't put the sheets on the bed yet. Oh my, in the club? You watch it. You're in the hotel. Oh, my God. We get in a hotel room. We get a hotel room at that point. You're in a hotel room. We get the hotel room. I'm not going home. You're not going home. We're not going to first world shit. Yeah. We're staying in the city. We stand at the hotel. Like, that's crazy. Just go make the bed up.

Fuck it. Yeah, that's crazy. Being in the club and you realize you got to make the bed when you, nah, that's wild. That's wild. That'll fuck your whole night up. I'm sober. No matter how much I was drinking, I'm sober. Did you guys do anything for Halloween? No, we was Oh no, Halloween was Friday I didn't do shit for Halloween It didn't even feel like Halloween

Honestly, like you don't know It didn't until I went outside I went outside and then like I saw like a man And a Flintstone costume no shoes I said oh you took this shit all the way No shoe committed to the bit No shoes in bedside Brooklyn I don't was he

Flintstone costume no he was just a regular white dude Was you sure that was he was flintstone Or was he unhoused No Was he just on? He had? I just happened to have on some raggedy orange shit. No, he had like the real, like the little tie.

Like he had the Flintstone costume on. I think it just happened to be Halloween. That's what I'm going with. Deerfoot is crazy. That shit was wild. And the streets was flooded like the day before. Like, what's you doing? Yo, so they gave me a $250 like spa certificate.

Oh, you definitely used that. When I arrived right and I was doing shit for like the first three days. I didn't have like much time to go use it. so I tried to use it on the last day and most of the shit was already booked. So they had like this this like select five thing where you get a facial pause

a calf and foot massage, forearm hand, whatever. Like I couldn't get the full rub down. There's only a few slides left. And there was this very kind Indian gentleman that was the only one that was left but they didn't give me a name until I sat down. So I'm already in the chair. I got the towel.

Mall. And I think I have nerve damage in my right form. arms so like I'm like I need this I've never had I'll just say this really gentle hands that that that that Indian man had his way with me and the most gentle way I see you had to make a gayer yo there's no way I'm letting no man massage me though it's not happening it was a firm is not Gary Vito what's the what's the legendary lacetra trainer Gary Vito if he if that you ain't him don't touch me dog like you ain't rubber me down? You kidding me?

And mind you, he put, he put the, uh, Gary Vitti. Only Gary Vidi could massage me. Nah, he massaged Kobe. That man massage, that mustache on your neck. That man massaged Kobe, he can massage me. No other man is touching me. So I had the, uh, not even like the cucumber shit, whatever like lotion things they put over, over your eyes.

And he's rubbing my forearm and I can feel him right here. Like, so where are you from? I was like, oh, he started asking. He just like, he was trying to get to know. you. Like, where my AirPods are? He did a phenomenal job. Like, I would have felt

weirder if it was bad. Like, just letting a man rub you down and it was bad. Only thing worse than a man rubbing you down is a man rubbing your girl down. Like, when y'all get the couple of massage? Oh, no, I always say two women. But I'm just saying, this is the first time I've never had to request. Yeah, but, like, letting a man massage you is crap.

I don't care. I'm not that, like, my body, I'm cool. I'm cool. All right. In my situation, though, I'm committed. I waited an hour to put the appointment. I sat down. They gave me the towel, like, got me all situated.

By the time he walked up, like, if I would have been like, nah, no, not, how would I have fucking looked? Using your droves? No, I was fully clothed. It was just, it was. Oh, you said, I couldn't get the full rub down because it wasn't available. All the bookings were. So he just massaged your form. My forearms, my hands, my cap of my feet.

My forms ain't never been that tight, though. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I kind of felt like it would have been better if I was like half naked in my back. Yeah, like a niggis just rubbing y'all. arms down is crazy. I'm not going to hold you. It was crazier. I was like, yep, right there.

And your farms ain't even that tense. No, I think I have like nerve damage, for real, my right arm. Oh. So he got you right? No, it's still there, but like, he eased it for at least the day. Like, I'm like, he is a return customer. Like, I need to go back. I ain't let no man massage. Yeah.

But what would you have done in that, like, I'm committed? It's the last day. Go home. You're telling me I should get up with the fucking towel, everything. I didn't know. I bet y'all, y'all don't have any, you know, the other gender available? The other genders fucking sick. If not, I'm cool. My for, I don't need, like, I never was like, oh, my forearms are so fucking, like,

I've never went home. It was like, oh, somebody would just, like, be able to, my form, my Mark McGuire? What the fuck you mean? So what's wrong with your forms, bro? My forms ain't never. You'd be surprised in your hands and your forms, especially with the computers, the phones. No, somebody starts. It's a lot of, like, ten.

pressure here. No, I get that, but I mean, just a man doing that is just like... Even my, the masseuse I use in L.A., Tracy, like, the first time she got to my forearms, I was like, oh, I've never gotten a real massage before. I've never had my forums, like, feel this, this tense and the bottom of my feet. So, I mean, listen, man, I'm not going to say his name because you guys don't think I'm lying and racist. But, you know, homie did a good job. Could have been at 7-Eleven. Got it. Baby D. What's up, man? You made that so racist Wow

Could have been at 7-11 We didn't know that they cornered the market at 7-11 You can't get a job at 7-Eleven The Popeye's in the Dunkin' Donuts too But we ain't gonna talk about that Pop-I's Dunkin' Donuts Baskin Robbins All of that, all of that

I was just telling you all a few episodes ago Parking attendants they got that whole shit monocle The Popeyes on Francis Lewis Is all Indian now? That shit be hitting Like it doesn't even taste like the Popeyes usually get Like it's incredible Yeah

They put in their own ingredients Nicky and Curry Pop-I Francis Lewis and Jamaica Avenue The corner you'll see the Popeyes It's ran only by Indians and that shit hits They don't have biscuit, they had roti We should be so lucky Give it a year

Give it a year, I guarantee you get Rotet Oh my God But they had a Halloween night On the boat Some people participated some didn't But you know there was like 10 low Kims on there All with the titty out So, you know, we was all happy in that regard.

Every corner you took, it was just another little kimp. It was some baddies there? Yeah. They was, you know, of age. Of age? Of your age? No. I might, no, there was some people my age.

You was like the youngest person on the boat? No, there was other talent that was my age. But, yeah, I was probably the youngest person. But it's like youthful people. Okay. Youthful older people. I love that. Those are my favorite older people.

Everyone on the 14th floor out drank. me and then they they was spry in the morning kiss hit me like you got some roll up like how are you awake i just left y'all like six a m it's nine niggins is up um and not that uh not that sees ever needs anyone to take care of them because that's a grown-ass man but i do want to say it was beautiful to watch kiss bring seas on that boat to be the surprise guest for the lockset like if you listen a letter to big by by kiss and like talking to his friend then i'm going to take care of your people, not in that type of way. They grown men. They can take care of themselves.

But kids being like, all right, if you booking us, Seas is our surprise guests and we're getting Seas a bag. Yeah. Like, again, Seas is his own man. I don't want to make it sound like that. But I just thought that shit was beautiful to see. Like, if I'm going, C's going. Yeah, it's dope that they still have a relationship. Yeah, I thought that was great.

Yeah. Because when we doctor was like, wait, is that a little Seas? I didn't see him on the bill? And kids was like, yeah, we bring him out for our shit. And I was like, see, that's the type of shit I like. Yeah. Same way we talk about Mass Appeal, same way I want to talk about Kiss. Like, that's what you're supposed to do.

Kiss, take care of your peers. Yeah, Kiss always been that guy, though. Yeah. Like, you've never heard no foul stories about, what, the locks, period. Put styles in there, put Pashik in there. You've never heard any negative stories about either one of those guys. It's always nothing but solid stories and good energy whenever you around those guys. So, you know, shout's to the locks.

The funniest shit was, so behind the stage, right, that's where all the Trump penthouse shit is. like it's the curtains to their rooms and shit so during Juvie I don't think I think Sheik thought it was like a like a tinted shit like you couldn't see

the people there but you could see the silhouette and it was clearly Sheik so it's kiss It's the real me like trying to wave Sheik down to let every like we could see you

We could see you Before you start doing anything crazy Jeff and Eric have a video of kiss just like in the crowd trying to wave Sheik down like everyone could see you. And then Sheik looking like, who were they waving at? Like he was just sitting there like bobbing his head to the juvie shit. He was like, if he better not do no crazy shit because he could be seen.

That's so funny. Yeah, that would be crazy. That would have been a crazy story. But no, it was a great time. Shout out to Rock the Bells, Six-Man, Norwegian Cruise. I tried to link with the Sixth God, but, you know, I was busy. Okay. I think he was too

He wanted me to slide through What you know I should have to do No no you got things I don't think we were remotely Close to the same island No not at all But the Bahamas is nice It was a nice I guess redemption story of everything that happened with

When Miki and Amara tried to go Because I've never been in the Bahamas Yeah So this time around it was better Yeah I mean I know he actually made it to the Bahamas You were there for like y'all were docked at the Bahamas for how many days Just a day

Oh okay But it was cool I mean, yeah, I got to have fun for sure. But it was a fun time for sure. But yeah, if you guys have no Halloween recaps, I was Baby Shark. I'm sorry, Daddy Shark and Baby Shark. Oh. That was my Halloween.

Very cute. Daddy Shark? Yeah, it's a thing. I didn't like come up with that in like a weird way. That's part of the Baby Shark thing. Yes. It's a Daddy Shark. Daddy Shark, dude.

I don't want to get flagged on YouTube. They're worse than Universal. I don't even want to sing that. That fucking melody. But yeah, it's the whole thing. So we did that. And even this morning, Amara, can we go trick-or-treating? It's over.

It was a day. Yeah. It's just one day. Yeah, it's over. Mall, so I know you're thinking about upgrading to the all-new iPhone 17 Pro designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever. But are you also thinking about the traffic on your way to the store or transferring all your data? Well, there's good news.

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Yeah. I mean, damn, I felt like after the big picture, we didn't have any more like Bigel versus just chilling around. And clearly I was wrong. I mean, some had been like leaked a little bit, but with new production. But this is, again, it's a no-skip album from Massapu. Like, there's not one thing on here that I would skip over. Even though I've listened to 7-minute freestyle a thousand times, hearing it in like a sequence was, Incredible. I mean, this is, is Big L the biggest what if to you? And rap? Yeah. Maybe, unfortunately, you know, his passing so young, we didn't get the full Big L, you know, glimpse of his career and things like that. But I don't know if he's the biggest because it was my thing is. Again, we lost Big O. It's guys that we didn't lose that still never did nothing with their talent.

So to me, that would be a bigger, like, what-ifs. I'm saying on the death side of things, like, of course, Big and Pock are huge what-ifs, but we did get, what, three or four? Pac albums, one being a double-disc. We got a double-disc and first album from Big, like, obviously they're what-ifs, but we got, like, bodies of work from the...

Mac Miller, who's on this, Like, yes, he's a huge what-up to me, because I don't even think he even came remotely close to the musicianship that he was going to eventually have. But we got a lot of music from him. Pun, we just got one album from, so I have him up there as well. But Big L, like, we got one real album, then we got the big picture after that. He was going to sign a Rockefeller. Clearly, his style is very easily digestible and can move around. Like, there's even girl records on this shit that don't sound weird to L.

Right. His flow and delivery is so straight to the point. Like, anyone can hear it and get into it. To me, he's a huge, what if. Like, he could have navigated through every single sound to me because he was that good. Whereas there's a lot of other people that are unorthodox, like they could only work in the time that they were there.

Like, I think Elle could work now. Oh, no, definitely. On those same trap drums that everyone wraps on. Like, El could kill that shit. But when you say what if, I'm leaning towards the guys that are still here that never did nothing. I'm saying the death what ifs. Oh, okay.

That's all I'm getting at. Then, yeah, definitely Bigel is one of the biggest ones that, you know, we obviously lost way too soon. Who had tremendous talent. Like you said, even now, today, his style, his rhymes, everything. It doesn't feel out of place in this era of hip-hop. So, yeah, he's definitely high on that list of, you know, I mean, like, if we had more time with him, the things that he would have been doing. But the album is, the album, they did a great job, though.

Really, really good. You know how I feel about, well, we both feel the same way about the posthumous albums. Mm-hmm. And, like, you know, don't ruin it. Like, it's so, such a sensitive thing. But they definitely did right by it. Yeah, they didn't biggie duets the beats. Mm-hmm.

Like. Yeah, right, right. It felt like an L album, you know, the same way they did with the mob deep one. But, you know, that one, we had more trust in because Havick and Alchemists who were there. Right. You know. Still hands on with it. Yeah.

So I can't say enough about that. I did listen to the DJ Premier and Ransom project. Seven records. Straight to the fucking point. What more do you need than Ransom in his highest form and DJ Premier Beats? Ransom, he's been on a run for how many years now? Like, he's not letting up. At all.

Yeah. He's just getting better at this point. Yeah. Um, forgiveness, survivors remorse. Reinvention is fire on there. Um, I like that they added the rap radar shit into that. I would have liked them to put the whole rap radar interview in the track list. Like, I think that would have been cool.

They added just a snippet on the third part. I think that would have been cool to put that, like, whole episode. How did you feel about that seeing BDOT and Elliott? Um, I think they came, they came together for two people that deserved it, which is Ransom and DJ Premier. Mm-hmm. I'm curious what behind the scenes, how that. that came together.

But we got to have beat out on and ask them. You think they spoke to each other? I mean, on the mic they did. Or you're saying that it was AI, or they shot their parts separately. Like De Niro and Pacino and Heath in the diamond scene, they shot at different times. I could promise you, that's not what happened.

But do you think that Elliot and Beat out, like, you know, when the cameras weren't rolling, like, do you think there was any conversation? Do you think it was like, you know, awkward? I don't think it was awkward. I don't think it was awkward. I'm sure they obviously did pre-production prior to, but in between. No, I don't think there was probably like full-blown conversation.

But both them have even said that they were never like close, close friends. Right. I don't even know if there was really conversation the years before. Like, let's break for a second. And they was like talking to each other like best friends and joking and shit. So, I mean, it's good to see them back together. Yeah, it was cool. I'm, but I am curious what led up to that.

Like, I mean, I think it was, I think it was ransom. I think ransom reached out and was like. you know, he wanted him to do it. So obviously, you know, to have a relationship. So for ransom, they made it happen. Yeah. But now, Rana's going crazy on that. He said the fucking roger's moving the light come on because it's in the anatomy.

I was like, all right, that that bar is fucking. Ransom. What's up with you? Yeah, man. He's just sitting there. That's what you're thinking about. That's what you're right? That bar.

There's so many layers to that fucking bar. What else? Miguel Chaos, which we had them on and we had listened to it prior. I'm going to be that hipster. Like, oh, you guys are finally getting that out. album. That's old. That old thing? Like, had that for a month now. I didn't really get a moment to see what the reaction to the fans were on that side, because again, of the service thing, but I like the direction that Miguel took on it. I still... It's good music. Yeah. It's good

music. And Miguel, obviously, you know, vocally, he's going to do what to do. But it's, I like the sound. I like the energy. He used a lot of, you know, like more electric guitar than normal. it's not as heavy R&B, but there's an R&B on there. Yeah, alternative, rock side. Pause. Lloyd Banks, Halloween Havoc, Part 6.

That's getting up there with one of my favorite Banks series Halloween Havoc, which is saying something. I don't know if it could pass more money in the bank or Coal Corner, but it's getting there.

This one's crazy. I don't know if you had time to listen to it. But Changed Up is probably my favorite record on there. I didn't hear the Banks one yet. It's, listen man i repeat myself every time but mature banks is the best banks you save me the punchline king shit you've given me 40 year old banks you like this this style of rapping better yeah yeah it's a fucking grown adult that has elite level bars instead of just using them just for pun there's

punchlines on here don't get me wrong but no i prefer this this type of banks at this point my life daniel caesar um did you guys talk about that no i mean i don't think the maris do you listen to you see that? I do. I used to, but not religiously. Like, if he drops, I'm not running to it,

like Givion, but he's very talented. I didn't know he dropped them. You run to Givion? Toxic King. Oh, we discovered that in that clip. You cool? Are you cool?

How's everything at home? Wait, why you mad at me? I wasn't even here. Now, oh, please, he'll throw this shit out every five seconds. I wasn't even here. How's everything at... Everything at home is fine.

Everything at the home front is good? everything steady? Everything is fine. Niggas are happy, overjoyed. So that's why when the comments were, we were sitting there giggling at the comments, like, oh, he need to leave hardest. That's the best. That's the best.

You're going. Playing footseys. That's always fun. Yeah. Fuck. He ain't going to where. They never knew. Redmond reduction from scratch.

Did, so did you have to get ahead of that? Because I know he does, he's like not on the internet like that. He doesn't pay attention to the pot. He did not see that clip. Was that one of those when it started to get viral? You had to be like, hey, babe, L-O-L-L look what they're doing. No. Okay.

He would have never saw it, but I wanted him to hear the poem. Because the poem had bars. Shout out of the service. He went crazy on that. Yeah, the poem had bars. Somebody called him Little Crit and that shit fucking. That was Little Crit for sure. That shit sent me to the moon.

So I let him hear a bars. And I like the way Baby Dee boyfriend say he ain't on the internet. That nigg is on the internet. No, he's on the internet. He just don't pay enough attention to like that. And then once I got on his podcast, he was like, I've seen clips before. But once I started dating you, I scroll past the bitches now. Yeah.

Because what you're going to do? Listen to a clip that might piss you off When you know like the reality Don't listen to that shit. There's no way he's scrolling past. He's looking at them clips more than ever. When you talk to somebody fucking 12 hours a day I hear what you say.

You're not watching them fucking shit. Ma'am, that's what you would do. That's fucking right. That's what any niggas doing. I'm telling you what men do. Like yeah, absolutely. That's my lady. Yeah, I need to, she pop up my time.

I need to see what's going on. See, no. If I was dating a podcaster, scroll past their clips too. No. Yes, I would. Yes, I would. I don't want to, because sometimes

our job is cringe. Like, sometimes our job can come off as cringe. And when your date's supposed to, I don't want to see that shit. Yeah, but anything can be cringe. You can be in the house and you say, do something in the house and that's like. Yeah, but you don't have a, you have a choice. Like, this is a choice. Yeah.

If I was dating a male podcast, I just like, I don't want to hear that shit. I don't want to hear you be entertaining. I'm cool. So, same thing, like, when your niggas being too funny, it's like, you're not that funny. Like, I don't want. Make other people. You mean being himself? Nah.

Just being himself around other people. Why are you entertaining people? Like, that shit is, ugh. I don't know. What's something that women do? Because I, like, I know how men act, like, once women are in the room. But, like, what do women, how? What are some things y'all do, like, that only y'all would notice about each other

when, like, men walk in the room? Like, men, like, we'll start doing, like, you know, trying to be, like, extra, like, just loud and obnoxious. Some men. But what do women do? Women do this. So women do the same thing. But we hate this girl.

Like the cool girls, we hate this bitch. The girl that when men get around, their voices get like this, suddenly their voices are so high. And I'm like, why is your voice so fucking high, bitch? You sound like Lola Brooke any other time. I don't know if I ever noticed that. The eyelashes would be going way crazier than they were before. Yeah.

They just like saying. A lot of blinking. A lot of blinking. Okay, I've noticed the blinking thing that way. But there's subtle shit like that. and then there's also, what's Cardi B boyfriend name? Stefan. That video when he was on the boat and they were surrounding him touching his knee and elbow.

That's the extreme version. Oh, them bitches were. That's like when men start dirty macking of like saying like, yo, isn't that my coat or don't you owe me money? Isn't that my coat is crazy. Yelling that out? Isn't that my coat? I think that's the woman's version of that with men.

Like when you start dirty macking your own friends when there's women. Yeah, they do that. do that shit too like for women i think it's it's the knees and the elbows and like touching your your farm like oh did you order that and it's like or your friends say something and they'll be like girl that like they just like try to uh it's just nasty it's nasty or you know what i love the most is when the girl that does too much gets around a guy that she hasn't met and be like this is just doing too much you always do too much you queen do too much now you so now you're sitting down like you above all the shit that's going on around you yeah yep i hate i hate shit like that is one of my

his pet peece. I can't be around. I got to pay attention to that. I never noticed that. Like, with women. Yeah, because you'll be falling for it. That's why. No, but I just don't, I just, it's just funny, like, to know that women do, because I'm, I'm paying attention to what the guys is doing. Like, that's my focus. Like, yes, Paul.

I have an Indian masseuse, if you'd like one. No, I'm cool. I'm cool on the Indian masseuse. But, yeah, like, I just, you know, it's just funny to see when women walk in, like, just start watching what the guys start doing. Like, that's when I'm on. Or bitches who, they just got to keep going to, they got to keep getting up and going to the bathroom so they could walk past.

Them bitches, they just got a walk past. We appreciate that. That's a parade. Sit show ass down. We just looking at the floats. That's a parade. We love when both y'all go to the bathroom. Yeah, like that's it.

That's a train. Like, yeah, look. You don't want to go with your home girl to the bathroom? She got to be safe, right? Yeah, yeah. All of y'all can walk through the bathroom together. We don't mind that, yeah. And there's also the pick me girls, which are somehow worse than the annoying girls.

The pick me girls, that'd be like, yeah. I mean, she a ho. Like, you can fuck her. Dumb? The one that tries to act like the home. As the homie, the real homie, the bitches that try to act like the homie to like whore their friends out. We'll be like, oh yeah, she a ho. She's going, this, this and that.

And like paint themselves as wifie material. Bitch, y'all all here together. You are a ho too. Yeah. Tweet, tweet, tweet. You don't see me again at all. That's your friend. Would you go on to pop the balloon show?

Fuck. We had this conversation. We did? Yes. And I told you fuck no then. And it's fuck no now. I told you the only way I would do that is if I was going as a parody. Like if I was going for entertainment purposes,

thinking I'm going to sit up there and stand up there for niggas to rate me is the sickest shit. That's some of the funniest shit in the world. You crazy as fuck. That shit, watching that shit is like one of my favorite things. We tried to do that on the live show with you. I just, me and Peege went and bought the balloon. I went to a party city in Toronto to do that shit. I bought Canadian balloons.

Yo, that shit is just funny. Just like you, you asking for somebody to just go up there and just like, break you down in front of like a bunch of people like yeah why you don't watch you pop your balloon I'm not really feeling her feet like damn like it's mad people that can see this which you'd be hilarious on that because you noticed like weird and funny shit like to me that show starts to get played out when it's like a guy comes on and she pos a balloon like he's not six five it's like that's not that's been the last six months of that show yeah you'd be hilarious finding out like yo your second toe goes a past your first toe and I don't

fuck with that. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. I'm trying to get out of that, man. I can't be like, I can't be that petty anymore. Like those years behind me. Yeah, but on YouTube it would be funny. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, if I'm trying to be funny.

No, we were out. Yeah, I would look at you fucking insane. Like, we were just chilling at dinner. Like, yo, what's saying? Yo, you'll be single forever. Yeah, no, I can't do that. But I'm surprised you haven't, like, ran into the extra chick that tries to not be extra around you.

I'm shocked because you're the very calm in the corner person. I feel like that girl would do that with you. Be extra? No, the extra girl pretends not to be extra. Because she realizes you're kind of low key. Yeah. Like she'll be at that spot every Wednesday and be like, I'm so over this. But you're here every Wednesday.

Yeah, they got you on the phone. You're not over this. You were excited on your story today, getting ready for this. He was promoting this. Yeah. You listen to West Side album? I didn't get a chance yet. I saw West Side.

I went to the Conway show. Thursday. Okay. Shout out to Conway. West was there. So I saw West. Shout out to West. Shout out to Chase.

Shout out the skis. Shout out to flee. Shooter. So a lot of the guys that I ain't see in a minute. But it was good to see Conway. He got some new heat coming, new music coming. But, sure, I didn't hear the gun album yet, though. Got you.

How does one get that nickname a shooter? You shoot your shot. You got it. It's at the spot. Yeah, yeah. Shoot your shot. He watches the parade. Yeah, that's it.

Shoot your shot. That's all. That's how they, that's how they, that's how they, that's how they, that's how they, that's how they, that's how they, that's out. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That the, uh, Grammys were going to announce all the categories.

Grammys. And then there was one specific, uh, category that was being split. Grammys will announce nominations next week. Following Beyonce's historic win. as the first black woman to win Best Country Album the category has been retired

and split into two best contemporary country album in parentheses black dominated and best traditional country album in parentheses

white dominated. More segregation. I'm sure the Grammys didn't put black dominated and white dominated in parentheses. More segregation.

This is from Pop Fusion HQ. Yeah. Keep that contemporary country shit over there. Y'all don't even wear Wranglers. I don't know

nothing about Wranglers in a Ford Bronco. You don't know Brett Farves volleyball team. Yeah, you don't know. I don't know. You never been to a game. Keep that contemporary country shit over there. Don't come over here with Johnny Cash and them.

You niggas ain't Johnny Cash. All right. Do we think that Cowboy Carter would have been in contemporary country album this year? If the years were switched. Of course it would have. What about that is a contemporary country? I don't even know. That's not a country album.

It's the most traditional country album. It's the most traditional. She went out of her way to me. make a traditional country awful. This is just more like just bullshit with the music industry. Yeah. I get like Shibuzi has experimented and I could see that type of stuff. But I mean, we know what this is.

Of course we do. Black country artists are smoking, y'all. So we got to split it up. We got to split it up. It's not going to be fair. Here we come taking back our sound, first of all. We got to get into that. We got it.

It's our music. So you don't find it funny when Maga says we need to take back our country. Yeah, I do find that funny. It was never y'all to begin with. Very funny. Yeah, but that's what this is. It's like, come on, man. Cut the shit, bro.

Like, it's 20-25. Let's just all be honest. Like, it's okay. Like, I just think that everybody kind of like is, you know, trying to walk on eggshells. Just have the conversation. Contemporary country album? Okay.

I do. I know why they did this. And it's a direct response to what happened with Beyonce. Absolutely. With that said. I do like that they have split up categories within R&B and other genres. Like I like that there's a traditional R&B category. I like that there's a contemporary R&B alternative art.

Like I like that they're doing sub-genres because it does give artists that don't make, you know, the highest form of R&B right now gives them a chance to be recognized. Now, I know that's not what they're doing here. No. But I do like the contemporary categories in a lot of other genres. Matter of fact, I think rap should be split up in subgenres for Grammys. I don't think it should be a rap album of the year. It definitely needs to be.

I think it's great that like, you know, Gibbs and Alchemists are nominated. Royce gets, like, I think all that shit is great. But some years it's like the real what should be a rap album isn't even nominated. So I do think these subcategories are cool. Like, I'm not mad at it. I just know what this one is. This is the whites being. upset. Yeah, I wouldn't have been upset. That's what that is. If this was, if this,

if this, if this happened before Beyonce's album, yep, I'd be, I'd be like, all right, cool. Like, okay, cool. They're trying to, you know, make sure everybody kind of gets recognition. They understand that, you know, the sound, the music changes, artists come in and, you know, create a different type of sound. Like, okay, we understand it. But this coming off of the wind. Yeah. It's just blatant in your face. Like, all right, man. Like, we get it. Like, in case Beyonce decides to make another country album, she's going to dominate again. And then, you know, like,

I mean, just to have the conversation, man. Like, I don't know how much longer we got to, you know, try to sit and act like we don't know what this is. And it's just like, you know, it's first of what's unfortunate

that we even still have to do shit or feel like we have to do shit like this. But what are you going to do, man? They added progressive R&B album, which I think is cool. Like, to me, those categories work. But you might as well just say urban, urban country and real country. Urban country.

Urban country. Real country. Like, just say what it is at this point. Or add more subcategories than just two. Because country has a bunch of different, like the shit that wins is usually pop country. It's not like country country. Just because someone talks about a fucking golden retriever, a pickup truck, and radio. That's a pop record.

dog. Yeah, urban country. In this country country. Country with a K. Country. Definitely with a K. Absolutely. But I'm curious to see what nominations are looking like this year.

For sure. I mean, we'll cover it next week once they actually come out. But rap should be really interesting this year. R&B should be really interesting this year. Should it be interesting? I think Leon Thomas is going to clean up everything. But that's just my opinion. Hopefully.

You had a great album. Yeah. And I think Mutt will clear up singles as well. I don't know, man. Mutt might have to compete with Folded. Folded might come through across the building. Felted. Folded is one of those.

And Folden made it in time, right? It should, yeah. It had to. August. I believe the deadline was. August, beginning of September. Folded, I think, made it right there. Yeah.

No, Folded is crazy. Yeah, but if Folden ain't Mutt, though. Mutt, just it came out like everything came out right after the last Grammy deadline June 11th we saw a dominance of a full year of mutt that's why I feel like it's a cleanup um June 11th his one Folded came out okay oh yeah all right cool well yeah I like that record though folded folded it got so crazy that everybody you know many people went and just made a remix she didn't ask these brandy fucking brandy Tony Braxton Tank Mario plies have all made folded

Folded remixes. Neo. Just volunteer was like, I want a folded remix. That's how, like, big that song would become. Dixon roll folded. Fire.

I don't quote. Really? He did. Yeah, I'm... Kalani Dixon. There's a couple other people. Donovan Knight, Andre Harris,

DeWitt Wilson, Christopher Riddickt-Tynes, Milosh, Angelove. Yeah, that record is... Oh, baby, dude. Incredible. Milosh.

The guy that did my massage. It's the same guy Multifaceted He performed on the boat And then rub my hand I love that though When you go on like a vacation And the guy that works like

At the restaurant It's like Michael Jackson at night That's the best shit I mean that's my man right there That's what I was telling the PR people I was like yo The way they do Michael Jackson and Elvis Like if you need me to do Paul Wall

I can do Paul Wall You just got to pay for my grill Oh my God But on music and Leon Thomas We left out the folks E.P. album I don't know whatever it was called That Leon just put out

On October 24th Did you listen to folks? Yeah Leon has not fucking missed In three projects straight That came out last week, right? October 24th Yeah

My muse incredible I didn't think he could Even top the not fair record Off the Deluxe of Mutt And listen man I can't say enough. I think he's going to clean up.

But Folda deserves all the credit, period. Yeah, now I know Dixon wrote that, yeah. I like to see that one. I think for that, that deluxe, because Foldie was on the deluxe, right? Demaris of Kaylani's album? I don't even think it, no. I think she just dropped. Bolded was just a single.

Because Dixon was on two records on the deluxe as a feature outside of just producing. Yeah, they've been working for a while now. And everything that Kaylani and Dixon do together. Yeah. I've loved seeing Kaylani and Dixon do together. have this moment though. Me too. She's been dope for so many years.

Like, it's good to see Kaylani like finally being spoken about like everywhere. Like everybody's in tune with everybody's listening to her. When I was at one music fest Kailani performed

and I was of course like in heaven but I've been a Kailani fan I hate being those people that's like I've been in Kalani for a family fan for over 10 years. So when I was, she was performing older songs and I'm screaming to the top of my lungs

and I'm looking around and I have a video where my journal cast is like, I'm like, y'all folded fans, these ain't Kaylani fans, these folded fans. But at the same time, I'm happy that there are people that are now, they get to discover Kaylani's beautiful catalog that he's had for years. And they're reading, like, they're hearing songs that I love for the first time. And like, that's, like, beautiful. I'm happy she's getting this moment, too. As a Kaylani fan for 10 years as well, I think we forget that she was like 16 when she came out. Like, she's just coming into her own now as an artist. She came out

when she was a child. Like, we definitely didn't get the best of her music in the beginning because she was still, she was a kid. Yeah. And we still thought it was amazing. So I think we'll get better music from Kailani in the second half of her career than we did on the first because everything she's been doing has been incredible. Yeah.

Listen, man, do we have to be Ho Avengers? Timeline was going nuts. What now, man? I remember the spaces from like three years ago. I believe Rob Markman was on with Jay Z. on Spaces. I think Elliot was there too. Wait, is this something that just went viral again?

You know when shit that's like five years old goes viral again? Okay. And everyone just assumed that Jay Z randomly said on Thursday, no one has a chance in me against, in Versus. Because like, Versus is still going every week. So clearly Hove would say something. They caught this quote. There's not a chance anyone can stand on that stage with me in regards to Verses.

But this was from years and years ago on Twitter Spaces. and the internet lost it. And I'm not going to take too much serious because most of the shit that was going viral was like, can you even name two Jay-Z songs? They started putting up the numbers. Started with that. Yeah, they put up all the numbers of Drake,

Nikki, Kanye, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, and like Jay-Z was like number six. And I'm like, you didn't realize he was rapping about crack for the first. Like the fact that he's number six on like the highest stream artists of all time, Pure rap though Yes

Like not like Melodic rap Not like you know It's like We're talking about pure bars And he has all of these accolades And rock and roll Hall of Fame and songwriter

He's in a rock and roll Hall of Fame right? Yeah Rock and roll for a songwriters Hall of Fame He did without a pen Sorry I had to remind you all again Thank you for that

He wrote that I got that I got that Yeah so to have all of those accolades With just bars just rap I mean yes people will have a tough time

now there are artists that can stand on the stage and play big records absolutely there's a bunch of artists that can stand on stage and Jay's ain't play big records but I think what Jay was saying as far as like if we're talking about

rapping like songs like what we is our bars there's nobody that can stand next to Jay and if I remember the actual spaces because I was a listener on the spaces after that he was like oh like Grammy family is just a freestyle and that would be some of y'all biggest records

yeah and I feel him because I that's why I guess I didn't even really care to argue about this because everyone's bringing up billboards and like how many number ones people have like if you haven't we're arguing with people from post Kendrick and Drake Beef that are they're not hip hop fans they're Twitter fans

that doesn't matter in a versus we've seen that for the whole year of 2020 and 2021. Jay-Z's not putting Empire state of mind in his verses 20, and that's his biggest record, according to Billboard. Like, why are we bringing up numbers

and a versus? And I'm not saying that Jay-Z would smoke everybody. I think him and Kanye would be a great match-up. Him and Drake would be a cool match-up. There's plenty of artists that I think would be cool to stand.

Y'all saying future would clean up J. I'm like, all right, man, where are we at right now? You can't even have that argument, though, because again, it's just generations, it's different people that they herald these guys as their Jay-Z. Like, future is somebody else's Jay-Z. But that would never even be like a match-up to me. To you, yeah. And that's one of the biggest things that was always on Twitter.

Like, Jay-Z, you know smoke in Atlanta. And it's like these younger fans, when you don't live with music, it doesn't mean the same to you. So, like, there are people who would argue you down that Drake would beat Jay-Z in a verse. right and he could depending on the room it depends on the room no i agree with you i guess i was if we're going off verses that's the only word i'm really focused on how versus is set up we've never seen like it started with swizz and timbreland which is a great matchup like everything was a good matchup that they were trying to find the pairings eric abadu jill scott like that was the point j z versus future what yeah they don't even they're not the same era they don't make the same

type of music? Like, what the... Why are we even debating this? If we're going off the versus thing. Now, if I'm in a hookah spot or at the club in Atlanta, do I think that future may clean Jay-Z up 20-0? Probably. Mm-hmm. But who would even think that that would be a thing?

What's the worst versus that with Teahado? 112 jacket edge. I didn't see it. Nah, it was bad. Snooping DMX. That wasn't terrible. I hated that matchup. It was... I thought it was the weirdest. I hate that matchup-wise.

I thought you meant like performance-wise. No, like match-up. Oh, no, 112 and Jagged Edge made a lot of sense. It was just a bad. Snoop and DMX? That made no sense. I agree with you. It was only because they both, the dog shit.

Like, they tried to put. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, bro, cut this shit. Like, Snoop and DMX don't. That's a terrible matchup, bro. Like, that was the verses that I was like, I wish we never saw that. Yeah. It was cool to see them together, but I...

Yeah, it was cool to see them really compare. I mean, it's Snoop and X. So, of course, anytime you get them in the room, but like... The most laid-back shit to the most aggressive. Yeah, I just, it just, I didn't like that matchup. I didn't. That was the one that I was just like, it was dope that they got a chance to get X and Snoop in the room. That was fire.

But for a versus, nah, I didn't like that. Snoop and Jay-Z would be interesting. Different sounds, but I think that one would still make sense. I think Snoop and Ho would be a cool 20. Does Snoop perform still Dre? I mean, you have to. But then Hove can clearly do a freestyle saying that. He could rap it with him.

You know, rapping the reference. That would be some petty shit that Jay would do. Yeah. But he wrote all the snoops verse on that? Jay wrote that entire thing, yeah. Which, I mean, I'm not, I'm not mad at that. Because we've heard that about Snoop with a bunch of stuff. Yeah.

And everyone knows Snoop's right. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't know. That was just, I don't know. I have to get certain things out of my algorithm. and I don't know how to do it. You got to start liking a whole bunch of other shit. Block the people you see talking about it.

Okay. Gotcha. And like a whole bunch of other shit. Got it. Because any other app like, hey, did you like this? I don't get that on Twitter. Like, I just look at one thing and now I'm in this world forever. I'm stuck in Stan Twitter and I'm trying so hard to get out.

But then somehow I ended up in Toxic Podcast Twitter trying to get out of Stan Twitter. Stan Twitter? Stan Twitter. Oh, I can't. Female Rap Stan Twitter. have been stuck there. Oh, yeah. That sounds like that.

Do you like the Meg tweet? Probably something. That sounds like actual. It's actually, it's literally hell. Yeah. What's like, what do they talk about? Is it just like constant? Constant numbers and who's being funny to who and who made, who hit this first.

Oh, yeah. No, that sounds like male rap Twitter too. Who was the real first bitch on the cover of Fogue? Like, I just can't. I was, I didn't get the fuck out of here. I can't do this. It's ridiculous. That's what they be talking about in there?

I swear. They'd be talking about that in Mail, rap, Twitter, Stan shit, too. That shit is so funny. Nothing is funny than not being on social media and they're just jumping back on one day and just like reading everything. That shit is the fun. That's like walking in the fucking on the stock, on the trading floor of the stock market. It's like, what the fuck are y'all talking about?

Like, niggas just me yelling. What the fuck are you talking about? When I got off the boat, I refreshed my time. timeline. It was clearly like an old clip, I believe from Math's podcast with cannabis. And he was like, Eminem wrote Stan about me. I was just like, where are we? What are we doing? Where are we? Yeah. This is a simulate. Like this is a simulation. I keep trying to tell you that. Yeah. You never put that together? No, no. I never put that together. And what you're saying about yourself, cannabis? Yeah. Yeah. No, I never put that one together. Um, I guess we can, we can stay in in gossip Twitter

for a second because I saw janea and big Sean broke up yeah so I saw a non-credible source on yeah I've seen a couple non-credible source nah man don't say that she posted a a record on her Instagram um that had some quote of like uh miss me with the lies or something and I was like oh they're over that's really what happened yeah I doubt it I don't know I doubt it but the funniest oh it's not confirmed no no I so let's keep obelah let's keep obelah I mean but I I feel like if they were still together, they might. But I mean, maybe not. Maybe they don't want to clear it up.

I feel like if I've been with somebody and every five seconds they're saying we breaking up, I ain't clarifying that shit for them either. Does that happen every five seconds? This happened a couple more than once that they broke up. No, I remember when they actually broke up and then got back together. But I feel like for the last, I don't know, six years, it's been like they just been minding their business, had a child and like. Yeah, I hope this ain't true, man.

I like Janay and Big Sean together, man. What you like about them together? I mean, I just like, you know, they. I do too much. I like the music. Listen, I wanted a If we could get another album, that would be I wanted a 2099, 38, whatever the fuck you want to call it.

Like, I wanted a part two. Whatever four numbers y'all want to use. Just whatever. Just give it to us. Yeah, I don't care what the four numbers. Just give us something. Yeah, give us the four numbers. Because that first one was crazy.

I sent Rory a text message this morning from, it was a tweet that said, yeah, he waited till big you went to jail to do that shit, huh? That shit. I was like, why y'all? Why are y'all on the internet? Being like this. If you don't get the reference,

on one of Jena's projects after she had left, died the genius they had gotten divorced corrupt had left her a voicemail pretty much threatening her ex-husband and she put it on the album oh okay and you know saying it said same like i understood the joke right away got you of like if y'all know jane's cryptos yeah i hope that's not true though man i mean they they had a child i believe like eight months six or eight months before amara so three years old now. Like, I don't know. It should be tough.

Yeah, but that's something. Yeah, you're right. Yes. Like, I don't want to speculate too personally on their actual situation because, again, all she did was post a song where she's talking about somebody lying, which Jenae has been doing for, I don't know, the last 20 to 20 years maybe. Like her lead, that's like a first make sure. That's what I want to.

That's the Coke Pursher rap. Sam's what Salon. That's what Salonzo is. No, that's the Coke Pusher rap. They're dead ass. I don't want to hit. Like, I love New Balance by Janette. but I do love more of the toxic

Lashy. Yeah. So I didn't think when I heard that like oh, they must have broken up. When they were in bliss, like there was still Janae's going to sing about that type of stuff. Yeah, hopefully that's just a rumor, man. And I mean, everyone brought up that clip when Sean interviewed with Charlemagne,

which was actually a really good interview. Charlemagne asked Sean like, why haven't they gotten married? And, you know, Sean went into his, you know, his man rant when you're at Thanksgiving and somebody asked like, why you ain't married? my knee shit. And you just be like, oh, you know, timing and like, you just start saying shit. Yeah. He got in one of those bags, which, but I understood what he was started. It was a word salad. You know, we get in our bag like, yo, listen, like a piece of paper from

the government. Like that means I love her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't, I ain't doing all of that. It was one of those. So everyone thought they put those two and two together, even though it's been like a two-year difference between. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not putting no stock in that. Hopefully they sew together. Hopefully. But if not, hopefully, you know, they're happy as well. And if they don't want to be, hopefully they're not. Yeah, no. If it's better for them not to be together, then, you know, whatever's best. But that is one

of those relationships that we all just have watched for so many years. Like we were all rooting for you, yeah, like, okay, they look like, we don't have to worry about them. They're doing their own thing. They stay out of the mess. They never in the headlines with no bullshit. You know what I'm saying?

They got a family. So it's kind of like you kind of, that's autopilot. Like, they're good. We ain't got to worry about them. All right. But, Do we put too much, well not us, I'm just saying the public in general. Do we put too much pressure on those couples? Yes. I don't ever want to be in a relationship that everyone's rooting for because I'm a human being.

And it happens in relationships. Like, I don't want y'all to be mad about some shit y'all don't even know about. Yeah, no, I get that part, but you do. Like, if you want to root for the relationship to break up, like, whatever. Like, the way the offset and Cardi shit was and he's tweeting like, y'all won and this and that. I'm not talking about that relationship. I'm talking about the one that everyone's like. Goals, but for real.

Not goals for the week. Yeah. Because you saw a photo of us walking out fucking Soul House. So about the 10 years. Don't put that pressure on me. Yeah. I mean, I get it. But I mean, it is good to have examples of what we deemed to be healthy relationships,

relationships where people actually like each other or in love with each other. Yeah. It is good to have examples of that because we have so many examples of people just dating for a rollout. And people just take for a moment and people just. So when you see a couple that you see over the years, they, every time you see them. Again, the house could be in turmoil. We don't know that.

From what we see in the energy that we can pick up on, it seems like they're happy and that they're enjoying each other. So it's good to have those examples of happy relationships as well. Because even in a casual way, you just assume they both woke up,

did yoga together, weak rash shots. When they had their beautiful child, no vaccines. They probably even do it in a hospital. That's where sick people congregate. It's probably not where we should have kids. like room for that type of relationship.

So yeah, I guess that is a little sad. Yeah. Because you feel like it's a healthy one. Yeah. Speaking of sad, congrats to the Dodgers. I didn't care this year. I was obviously very sad.

It was a great World Series. That was a great. Probably top five World Series of all time. A great World Series. Seven games. Even the last, no, game seven went extra innings. It looked like the Blue Jays had it. That I think 11th or 12th inning.

up that home run and it was just like oh shit you kind of felt the air go out of the stadium at that point like fuck but um it was a good match I did I was room for the blue jays I wanted to see one of my favorite Yankees ever Don Madeline he's a coach

yeah yeah the blue jays I wanted to see him showing your age finally get yeah I mean it is it is I wanted to see him get a ring but they didn't they didn't finish it out but shout out to the Dodgers back to back yeah world champions

um but yeah it was it was a great series definitely entertained I think it was great for baseball, people that probably didn't watch a game all year, paid attention to that series. It was definitely one of the best world series that I can remember watching, definitely. The billion dollar investment was worth it. Yeah. But yeah, one of the best world series I've seen.

This was one where I was rooting against the Dodgers, obviously last year. It was very sad because they were against the Yankees. This year, I just wanted to see a good series. And I got what I asked for. Yeah. I didn't really care. Great series. It doesn't get better than in seven.

Seven games, seven games, extra innings in the seventh game. I mean, you can't ask for more. I mean, obviously people in Toronto could ask for a different outcome. But, you know, just overall, great series. So shout out to the Dodgers. Yeah, remember last year I told you all of like avant garde. And they're all from L.A., like, for real, born and raised there, gave me so much shit last year.

They was hitting me. I look at this. I was like, y'all are not like a rival to us. You're acting like your Red Sox fans. Like, I don't give a fuck. Like, congrats. I'm happy to be in the comp. There's not a Yankee Dodger rivalry.

No. Congratulations. Definitely not a Yankee Dodger rivalry, no. Like, y'all smoked us last year. Like, I had to give it up. I mean, and if we keep them to Dodgers, you know where the Dodgers started at. I mean, we're going to have that conversation. Want to get down to that.

It's okay. It's all good. You can have our hammy downs? It's a win for us. Yeah. What's the trophy too? Yeah. Send the trophy to New York.

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I mean, we can give a quick rundown. Effective this week, if a song drops below number five after 78 weeks, it's removed, a song drops below number 10 after 52 weeks is removed and so on and so forth. Um, I think this along with what's going on with Spotify, what's going on with radio, which you guys didn't believe me about. Everyone is scrambling to change everything because everything is about to change. bots have ruined everything. Everything needs to switch up in Billboard, labels,

DSPs, everyone is getting ahead of everything. We're changing rules. Okay. We're changing rules. I'm with you. Are they changing the way artists are paid out? Or is that going to remain the same? Exactly.

I'm with you on the everybody's scrambling. I also think that Billboard, I think that this makes things a little bit fair. And I think the reason why Billboard did this is, I don't think that's that big of a conspiracy. There are some songs that are so well loved that they will stay on the charts for years. Yeah, absolutely.

And it doesn't make room for other artists to enter into those smaller spots. Especially if an icon dies and your song can't get to number one. You cool? I'm fine. I'm not okay. I get it.

I'm not okay. No, I'm not. I'm not okay. No, I hear you. And I think this does make things much more fair, but I think with all the rules changing, there's a specific reason for it. This being one of them that I agree with. Like, even, but again, like, I think Teddy Swims, loose control deserved to be on the billboard

as long as it was. It's an incredible record, and it kept streaming fairly. Yes, but I mean, but we get it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, because, okay, so if the billboard was getting you, if you were being paid every week for being on billboard, then that makes sense because then you're taking food out of their out of their mouths. But if it's just like, okay, we get it. You've been number one for such and such many weeks. After 200 weeks, like, it's fine. Okay, you were on the charts for 200 weeks.

Kick him the fuck off and let somebody else come on. Like, that's insane. I don't know. I mean, to me, again, if you're taking away any, and I don't even want to say bots because when it was CDs, let's not act like even Universal, Def Jam, cash money. Everyone has admitted they were buying hundreds of thousands of CDs to make sure they got to number one. Like this isn't a new thing. It's just now it's bots because it's tech. Yeah.

I do think if it's fair, why shouldn't the one that's streaming the most stay there? I don't think that's a bad thing. Like as much as as annoying as it was that the spur of. were in the fucking finals every year or the Patriots were in the Super Bowl every year or the Kansas City Chiefs have been there like we're about to do what the NBA did and block the Chris Paul deal

because that's fucked up. Like if this is how the system is set up, why, what's wrong with that? They're fairly doing it. I'd be pissed if they told Tom Brady, yo, you're too good. No more Super Bowls for you, bro. But you're not fucked up that is?

That's completely different because a Super Bowl is such a huge moment. They're not saying they're removing. But they're not removing number ones. That's not the rule. That's not the rule. The rule is the motherfuckers that's over there sitting at 97 for five years, they can go.

Like, you see what I'm saying? Like, they're not taking people from number one or number two or number three or number four or number five. Okay, but I'm saying to, all right, let me not say. Yeah, but do you want to be the artist that enters the billboard because they remove somebody that was just like, stagnant like oh i got in because they took home me off yeah make better music no no because it's because no it's not no it's not about you making bad music it has nothing to do with that because we all

know when taylor swift releases a fucking album she knocks like 10 people off because her entire album is going to go to slots number one through 10 that doesn't and it's going to stay there for a while so the people who are inching in and inching in you said what it's good music no i know i i i hear what thing is fucked up and I won't use the Tom Brady thing because again it's not the number one but like okay that'd be like Mike Vrable you can't go to the Super Bowl this year like you're not the best player but you're in five Super Bowls and you play really well Robert Ory can't get a ring and just stay at number 78 on the Billboard charts like if I'm there for 100 weeks he has a stat for me that's cool that I stayed in the Billboard Hot 100 that's a stat for an artist but do you

know just because not just because you're not number one the hot 100 is like a thing for an artist yeah absolutely but it's not like he hit the high 100, like, oh my God. It's not like he's climbing, right? Like, for example, we just spoke about Folded. Shout out to Folded, it just hit number seven on the Billboard charts, right? Folded is climbing. It's been there for a little

while, but it's climbing. That record's down number one? No, it didn't go number one. I think y'all like, misunderstand. Like, records don't be going number one. I feel like me and you have this issue a lot. A lot of the records that we love don't go number one. Teddy Swims, Losing Control, just left the top 10. And I believe that came out two years ago.

Wow. through the Taylor Swift thing, through everything. I thought folded with number one. No. No. And I mean, I get it. You have to adjust because of streaming, because that can keep things weekly outside of album sales and salt.

Like, there wasn't song sales the way it was before. iTunes charts. We all know the bigger the artist and the bigger the label and the more money that is behind them, you can get playlisted. Playlisted is going to keep you on the billboard charts longer. That doesn't mean that you have a better song or it means that you have access to more money and more funding. So it's not make better music. It's they're going to make sure that Taylor Swift or Drake or Kendrick or all of these people are on all of these fucking playlist. So yes, their songs are going to

stay longer because people who are discovering them or listening to them sometimes against their will. Are you seeing what I'm saying? Whereas you might have a small artist that's right there, right there. It's okay to take Taylor's song off that's been on that bitch for 100. It's been okay to take Teddy Swims off or Benson Boones. It's okay. This is socialism. They hit, no, it's not. Because you hit number one or you hit where you were going to hit, you hit your peak, you don't drop down, you don't drop down, and now it's time for other people to get the

chance. You have the accolade. Nobody's taking the accolade from you. No, nothing. They said after 78 weeks, bro, do you all fucking long, 78 weeks is? If it's fair, it's fine with me. Again, I think they're scrambling to change the rules in everything because I'm not saying anything specific to Kendrick or Drake as far as bots. But I think the bot thing has gotten so far out of control for every single artist signed to a major

that everyone is changing the rules in the midst of them being caught doing it. Yeah, this is cool, but it's not like it's an asterisk on Roger Merritt in 61 home runs because he had an extra few games. Like, we're putting it. So Taylor still gets the accolade, but someone else's name gets to be put there. Like, this is a participation trophy to me. Like, this is the real world. If it's fair, she should stay there.

If it's fair. It's never going to be fair. So why are we talking about if? It's never going to be fair. They're trying to make it fair now. They're trying to take a while. Of course they're fair. Artists are majors and with money will always have access to more resources.

It's never going to be completely fair. The music industry will never be fair. But this makes it a little bit more fair. They're trying to make it look like they're trying to make it fair. Like, okay, let's make it fair. But I don't think much is going to change as a result of this. I don't, honestly. Yeah.

I don't think much is going to change. Just being honest. I think we'll see. We'll see maybe you. know a couple new songs hit that that top 100 that deserve to be there but they might not have access to it. I mean, listen, if you have, if you're in the top 10 for a year, that's crazy. That's what I was saying. After Teddy Swims was there for almost two years. Yeah.

If you drop to number 11 after a year, cool, we should be removed, but like, I don't know. That's still fucked up. Like, if my shit is streaming fairly that way, why are you taking me off my yeah. Yeah, this is capitalism versus socialism. I don't even think that, honestly, I don't even think the people. who I think once you've been on Spotify for it. I mean, you've been on the Billboard charts for a year. I don't even think them artists is really like, hey, you took me down. Like, I really wanted it to be a year in three

months. Like, I don't think they give a fuck. I was on there for a year. I had that talking point. I mean, if you, and if you like me, I don't give a fuck where they at on the charts. I don't even check for that type of shit. If the music is good, I'm listening. Well, the artist cares because it helps me get in the money. Yeah, like the artists obviously care, but I mean, fans, I mean, I don't, we don't give a fuck about any of this shit.

Okay. then what does that do to the Billboard Awards? You watched that? No, I've always said it was one of the most pointless award shows because you can just go on the internet and see who wins. Like, it's not. I got a televised. I can literally just check every week on who's going to win.

But also, I think, yeah, this only really affects artists and Stan accounts that are doing shit like who was on Vogue for the first time. This is all kind of weird to me because it's not physical. This is effective as of right now. Yeah. All right, well, let's pay close attention than the next year and see if we notice any changes. I caught the... That's Taylor.

I caught the meltdown to some degree over the last week. I'm not sure if you guys touched fully upon it of the no rap songs are in the top 40 Billboard, top 100 for the first time since 1990. But there is one in the top 50. They just, you know, they cut it at 40, just because it reads better. Okay, gosh There's a rap song number 50 It should be removed

I think it's big extra plug I think he's number 50 How long has it been there Because I think he should get the fuck out of there Well, I don't know I don't know how many weeks he's been here But I think he is number 50 I don't know

I don't have like the same meltdown That I saw all of our media peers Have like I don't think this matters that much Oh no it matters To the artist it matters To us we don't give a fuck To the artist to rappers This definitely matters

1,000% But you're saying on like the superstar side or or what? Yeah. Yeah, labels are not they're not because this is all just labels not put money behind rap songs. Okay. It's all this is. It's not like people didn't put out good rap songs. The labels are not putting the money behind these rap songs that they once were.

So what does that mean for rappers? What does that mean between them and their labels? Are labels willing to put money behind them still or at all? How much are they putting behind it? Like, so yeah, the rappers care 1,000% because this is directly affects them in their business with the labels. Then they should care if they're getting removed after. No, that's what they do. The artist care.

Us, the fans, we don't care. We don't look at this. NBA young boy is number 43 with shot calling. He's been on the charts for six weeks. So good for young boys. Big X the plugs not on that? Big X the plug is number 50. Okay.

With hell at night. Okay. I mean, I don't know. I just think rap is in like a good place. Oh, the music? Yeah, yeah, just about the business of it. Like there's been years since 1990 where it felt really fucking bad

and they were still in the top 40. Oh, no, for sure, for sure. But I mean, I guess, does that just prove that Billboard doesn't mean much if the point is their labels aren't putting money behind those records, which the money that the label puts behind, the artist is just going to have to owe back anyways.

It's not like the labels giving them a good gesture, push the money they'd have to put up to get on Billboard. They have to owe back. They have to pay back. Yeah. So it's like, I don't know. I just, I didn't look at this like, it's over for hip hop. No, no, no.

It's definitely not over. I understand a few years ago it was the highest stream genre, which was a big W for hip hop. But I don't know. It goes back to the superstar thing for me too. Yes, labels are not investing as much in rap, but there's also no superstars. And I'm not saying that a label putting a bunch of money into an artist is going to make them a superstar. No. There just isn't superstars.

but like if Travis drops tomorrow yeah top 20 will be a whole Travis album scattered throughout the top 20 on billboard so no one's dropping like that's of that stature but I mean I think shout out to Big X the plug

and a young boy that they're up there I think that whole just dropped singles thing is kind of backfired on the labels a bit because we see what the albums do for the charts that matter to the labels and the artists like that's why they're changing the rules because Taylor's fucking there

through the whole thing. When Drake dropped for all the dogs, it wasn't fucking every record. When GNX came out, every fucking record was in the top 10. Like, I think the labels kind of played themselves a bit of like, yo, we shouldn't do this fucking album thing. Let's just, Cardi, just do one song a year. Like, no disrespect to Mike Karen. Like, I just think that strategy, they're seeing the result of it. It didn't work in Billboard and streaming the way you guys

thought it would when it comes to charts. If you care about the charts, they could not care. I don't know. But albums are the ones that are sticking to the point they got to change the fucking rules. Just continue to make good music. Fuck the charts. Fuck all that. I mean, I understand that

is important to their business. But like, good music, great music, that always pierces through. That's what stands at the test of time. I don't know what some of my favorite songs and favorite albums landed on the charts. I know that I love this fucking album. So, I mean, yeah.

And I want to clarify, I'm sorry. Folded is at 14, not number seven. That was my mistake. I'm sorry. 14 is still crazy. Yeah. That's its peak so far. Thank you for that, baby, dude.

No problem. They would have killed you for that. You know, they would have got you. Yeah, they would have killed you. Yeah, they would kill me. So I just want them to kill me. Wanted to do my research. That's the producer.

You're a journalist. Whole op-ed. Yeah. And while we are on the bot situation, there was a lawsuit that was filed by Snoop's cousin or nephew? Nephew, I think. He calls everyone nephew, though. So I don't...

It might be blood, nephew, though. Okay. Might be. I don't know. Maybe. Is his cousin? Well, I mean, Crip, Cuzz, you know, that go. Yeah, but then also when I was a kid, I really thought that Bow Wow was Snoop's nephew.

Mm-hmm. So, yes, his cousin or nephew, RBS, filed a lawsuit against Spotify, suggesting that they turned a blind eye to bots, specifically with Drake, with the no-face record that there was an up. uptick in Turkey, I think a quarter million streams in like one day or something at a specific town in Turkey. But we covered this years and years ago. Mo, we even talked about going to that small town and I think it was somewhere by Minneapolis. This was like year one of New Aurora Mall. They had found just in this small town, there was like hundreds of thousands of streams for all these different artists and was like, there's not even enough people in this town to do this shit. So it was one of those.

They said specifically against Drake, no face. I don't know how much legs is going to have. That's all we know at this point. But I mean, I think this is against everybody eventually. That's all we have at this point. Yeah. But, I mean, interesting that RBX just like... Broke this?

Listen, if he's right, great. but I just laughed like, wait, this is the most random shit. This isn't a corporation doing it. This is just RBAF's like, you know what? Let me go file against Spotify. Yeah. He was just in like the, he was in the dark web of Reddit. It was just searching in Turkey and found all those streams.

Yeah, I don't know how much legs this has, but I mean, it could. And I mean, shit, I've always been on the side that everybody uses bots, whether they know it or not, if you're at that level. I think you could be an oblivious artist from every, A-lister you could think of, and somebody's going to botch your shit, whether you be on a major, whether they hire a third-party company. I've been on this side from the beginning. I'm curious to see where this goes. But, again, Spotify and Universal are in bed together, so.

Not far-fetch, but. It's not far-fetched at all. Yeah. Not even a little bit. But, I mean, of course, there was outrage now. But that's either here nor there. everybody's outraged. But yeah, do we have voicemails?

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Male voice. What up, Lori, with a mall, or a baby T. I got a question. Mainly for Baby D. I want to hear the woman perspective, and I don't want to know if you all of you all have been through it.

All right, so I've been in a relationship for almost two years now. Everything is fire except for our sex. We just, we just, we don't have it that often. We started off having it pretty frequently. Now it's slowed down to like once or twice a month. For me personally, I want it more and I'm trying to be a good, faithful nigger. We've had some conversations.

She says that, you know, her libido is just lower. and I give her the benefit of the doubt because precedent ain't going to do no good. But I'm curious from a woman's perspective and having women friends, one and then two, from niggas who have dealt with women, how much does a sex drive range naturally with women versus how much it has to do with the nigger that they're with? Like, you know, do we just not mesh? Is there something that we just don't click with? or should I just work at accepting,

well, either way I got to accept it, right? But it's just like, should I have a conversation of like, I can't live with this and move on? Should we open this up? You did what I'm saying. You get it. So you asked me. That's how you ended it?

Yeah. She must have walked in a room with anything. You asked me a couple questions, right? So I'm going to give you a couple answers. Number one, there could be. be varying reasons why her libido could be low. I have a few very close friends who have this issue. They love their man. They're attracted to their man, but their libido has just gotten less over the years. There could be a couple of things. Tell her to go get her. And this is up. So this leads into the

next answer I have for you. But a conversation needs to be had. And when I say a conversation needs to be had, when you have this conversation, you need to let her know how serious of an issue this is. because don't let anybody tell you anything different. Sex is extremely important in a relationship. It's one of the indicators of the health of the relationship. And if y'all are not compatible sexually, the relationship will not last. So this needs to be a serious sit-down conversation, not an in-passing conversation. She might get offended by it.

You need to be very, obviously, very sensitive to her feelings and let her know that you're working with her as a team and that you're not giving her an ultimatum of this needs to be fixed or I'm going to cheat, don't come with that energy, but you do need to be honest. Now, if you want to tell her that you got this suggestion from a female friend or whatever, tell her to go get her hormone levels checked. It might be a PCOS issue. It could be anything, right? One of the things that I always suggest is taking mackaroo powder.

Me and Rory have joked about how taking macker root makes you horny enough to fuck damn near anything in sight. Men and women. Yes, that is one of the things. Not fucking men. I'm saying for men and for women, it works. for not you and you and massage me I'm saying you and home me I'm saying men can take it in feel like

it doesn't just work for women it works but yes try have her try macaroot even if you want to buy it and say hey I heard this is because it's good for other things it's good for energy and things like that so you guys want to take it together you make the smoothies in the morning it has the macaroot in it let her know what it's for and what it helps right as well as as chaganda

which also helps with stress relief and things like that I personally have taken both in it intensely increased libido, right? But again, still, she needs to go to a doctor if she's interested in changing it. If she is not open to those suggestions, you need to sit down and really have a real conversation with yourself and see if this sex pattern continues, can you stay in this relationship? Will you be happy in this relationship? You're calling into a podcast, so I'm going to assume that you're not happy with it. And that is important. You might have to eventually leave.

And you're not a, you're not a bad guy. You're not an asshole for leaving for that reason. Because, again, sex is extremely important. Are they married? I don't think so. Okay. Yeah, I didn't say how long they were together. Yeah, I don't think so.

But yeah, it's important. So good luck with everything. I do hope that everything is okay with her health-wise. It might be a stress issue. It might be anything. But you guys need to try to work it out. And again, if you decide to leave because of that, you're not wrong for that. I hate when the marriage do that because she's right.

But like, I want to have. I want a joke on him. You can still joke. I open the floor. No, I don't want to joke on them. That was that. What you said was 100% correct. So that was great, great advice.

I don't want to step on it with a joke. No, you can still joke about it. I mean, I agree with everything to Marisette. I'll do it on the next episode. And I ain't when people say that of like physical features and sex isn't the most, like, of course not the most important thing. But if you're not fucking, your relationship is going to slowly implode elsewhere. Yeah. That is a soul detector of where things are at.

so if it's not like having a child where things you know can get weird because the kids in the house and y'all just two adults that are not fucking you should leave like yeah yeah you don't want to be in a relationship where you're not sexually satisfied

because now you're like that's your friend and you're too young for that if you listen to this podcast you too young for that so yeah no definitely if she if you go to her and she's not willing to try you know the things that I mentioned or even any other suggestions that you guys can go on the internet and research together. I know it feels, and especially for her, it might feel very uncomfortable because our sexuality

as women and desirability and all of those things are so wrapped up in what we've been taught. We've been taught to be sexy and that we're supposed to be sexual machines for men, right? That's just how we're raised. You're supposed to cook, clean, and fuck. That's what you're supposed to do. They don't raise them like that. Yeah, I was about to say, where are you finding? That's like a thing of the past.

Where are they at? That's like a V-S. They don't make them like that no more. When they used to make them like that, ooh. Society was thriving. Man. It was the industrial revolution. Everything was on the up and up.

Yeah. They made the iPod. You all this. It was going to nuts. Everything was on the up and up. I'm trying to tell you. We went to the moon. Oh, my God.

Everything was just beautiful. Everything smelled different. It was just like things were happening. We were winning wars. The economy was amazing. Wow. They still had the factories and shit. Yeah.

Yeah. They don't make them like that. But yeah. Like if it's very sensitive for us because it makes us feel like less of a woman if we aren't if that libido is low. I want to talk to her so bad because why Baby D is correct and the advice she's given and she's she's 100% correct. You know, talking to the woman is a whole different. She's going to give us a whole different side of it. It could be a whole different thing.

Like why you're right? She may not hear this. But if she was there, she probably like, that ain't it. Like, I'm just saying it's a possibility because we don't know who this. woman is. But DeMaris giving the advice of opening that conversation, he may not know and it could be a completely different reason. He could find out exactly what it is.

Well, he said he's spoken to her about it and she says she just hasn't. But how do you go about it? Like, yo, why are we not fucking? Yeah. Hell yeah. Yo, what's up? I'm ready. You know, you're walking in the room like, I'm ready, ready. Just walking the room, butt out.

Just knocking it over. Hard and knocked shit over. Yeah. You knocked the deodorant over the dressing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm ready. right now. You, and she's like, yo, no, not tonight. Not tonight. You walked in from work with a waterbed? Yeah, like, not tonight.

Well, he did ask the question. I want to open, ask you guys this, what you think. How often do you think is like a healthy amount to have sex in a relationship? Not us. We're overly freaked out. But what do you think is a measure of help? I hate that. If y'all live together?

With y'all live together? It depends on schedule. Like, there's a lot of factors, but. it should be frequent for your schedule. Does that make sense? I don't care. I hate that like,

oh, it should be eight times. Like, to me, that's like weirder. Eight times a day? No, for the week or something. Oh, I'm about, who's fucking eight times in one day? Twice on Sunday. Yeah, twice on Sunday.

I don't like counting times because let's not count orgasms. Let's count days. How many days did we have sex? Every day. We live together? We having sex every day. Sometimes people are,

that's for sure. If you actually talk, you had a longer day of work and you don't want to fuck I get that. It should be frequent to what your schedule is. Yeah. This clearly seems like there's something wrong when their relationship. Yeah, but okay, whatever your schedule is, you come home, right? You got to go home at the end of the day.

Yeah. That's, no, Mom. Sometimes people are fucking exhausted. People work. No, yeah, sometimes, yeah. Yeah, people. I'm just saying on. That's why I don't like the number question.

That's why my answer is frequent to what your schedule is. If I was to give a number, right, because we can all pity patty around. If I was to give a number, give or take, I would say, let's say a month, because he said one to two times a month. I would go six times a month. If you live together six times a month. Six times a month. At the minimum, six times a month. My shit work.

Six times a month? Minimums. Not everybody. That's almost once a week. Not okay, but not. Some people are okay with sex once a week. No, no. You're changing what you're saying.

Yes. Some people are okay with once a week. So that's why I'm saying. Not this guy. Not this guy. Once a week. I'm not saying you. I'm saying in a relationship total.

Like I know I'm overly freaked out. I had sex six times this weekend, right? But for some people, wait, weekend is just Saturday. I'll count Friday too as a weekend. Six times on the weekend. And you know what time went back. Hey, was that five?

And then the clocks went back. I'm going to literally stop sharing my personal life on this fucking park. Yo, you know we got an hour back, right? Rory. You know, so baby teeth saw that clock. Also, counting that. And you fucking six times the weekend and be able to count that too, it's crazy.

It might have to be like, you just fucked a lot this week. I'm sorry, baby. You got that app? All right, my bad baby, did go ahead, go ahead. Meanwhile, neither one of y'all got pussy this weekend. That's a fact.

Man, why she had to go there, though? I'm just having, yeah. Now, that's all laugh. I like giggling. Yeah, but you had to do it like that as well. Hey, cool. Anyway, like I was saying. No, but like I could have.

I didn't want to. I'm saving myself. Yeah, I'm going to talk. I'm going to talk. My love. go as low, huh? Like, yeah, give me all. I ran out of Macca. Which one? I went to Whole Foods. They was out of the Maca root. Oh, I'm sorry. Gentlemen, sir, yes, with Baby D said, have the conversation. And hopefully that helps. And, you know, y'all end up in the

healthiest spot in your relationship. And I understand, I can empathize with Demeris's point of view of women have been trained that they have to fuck all the time, desirable all that. But men have feelings as well. And sometimes it hurts to not feel desire. If your girl don't want to fuck you, you're going to start feeling that type of way. So, you know, don't think that DeMaris was just being one-sided on that. It's okay to feel like, hey, me, you know, I'm not wanted. Yeah. Oh, for sure.

And I was just saying it's sensitive because it's like when you go to have the conversation, it might make her uncomfortable to have the conversation. Like, she might feel like a failure. But it's also uncomfortable for a man with our ego testosterone. To also have the conversation. To be like, hey, like, do you like not like me? Yeah. Like, am I trash to you or something?

Yeah. So that's a tough conversation for both sides. But if you're in a long-term relationship, I think those conversations need to be had. Same as they're tough. Like financial conversations, financial conversations, health conversations.

Does your mother have diabetes? Are my kids prone to diabetes? All of that shit is uncomfortable, but it needs to happen. And I would overthink that convoy because I'd be like, damn, I don't want her to be like, like having to fuck me.

Like if you don't want to fuck me, I don't want to fuck. Yeah. Like, don't get me no simple. Don't because we had this conversation. Now all of a sudden it's like, all right,

all right, I'll fuck you. Yeah. Like, that would make me feel even more uncomfortable. If you don't want to have sex with me, I'm not going to force a conversation where you're going to go,

all right, to save the relationship, I'll have sex with you when I don't want to. Yeah, nah. I'm cool. I'm like, that would,

that's where I would overthink the entire thing. Yeah. That's why. That's a tough side for men, too, to have that combo. Oh, yeah, definitely.

But, I mean, you know, have the conversation and call us back and let us know how everything went. Because I do want to hear how it turns out. So yeah. Thank you for that. For sure. All right. Well, this was fun. This was great, man.

Welcome back, Rory. Yeah, thank you guys for having me back. Baby D, thanks for holding it down. Yes. What I will say is I will give both of you guys your flowers. That was extremely hard. That was not easy for me. It was extremely hard.

And I don't know how y'all do it every day. Like, because I was telling people on my live, a lot of times me and Pee would be back here, like I'm paying attention to y'all but I was on out sometimes you can't do that when you're sitting right there no you cannot so um those flowers are giving us yeah okay thank you appreciate that thank you um hopefully next episode maybe we get the lighting yeah we're gonna let that shit go go get a tan it's gonna cut the light off pee just cut the light off it's okay no we've tried it before yeah we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna do it again though just to show you that it's not the lights it's your DNA you ugly you ugly shit it's your DNA that's not I didn't say that first I'm I don't

I didn't even say like if I looked ugly or I was just saying I looked bright. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to, we'll try to dim it down for you a little bit. We'll try to. It's like the fourth shot of my appearance. Yeah, that's crazy. That's a way, that's a way. That's a way.

That's a way. See, I don't like, I don't berate him all when he's here, right? So like, I had nobody to make fun of. Like, so you're here and I love you and I missed you and I make, I miss making fun to you. You go. Back to getting verbally abused. You feel good? Good to have you back, worry.

We'll talk to you soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. he's just ginger. Peace. No. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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