New Rory & MAL - Episode 425 | New Edition

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Usually we got a guest for y'all on Thursdays, but this week we're flipping the schedule. Seasonal depression is real, but we got you with a new episode earlier in the week than usual. Usher suing Bryan-Michael Cox has Rory interrogating Mal about DVSN's "If I Get Caught" music video and where the funds came from. There is no reason why anybody should be throwing down at a Leon Thomas concert. Mal translates for Wale 'cause he wasn't standing ten toes down during his Breakfast Club interview. Plus, Mal thinks New Edition might be the greatest music group of all-time, but can they win a Verzuz against the Jackson 5? #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. The volume. Cheers. Welcome back. That was wild. My S's our back. All the Novocaine has worn off.

I'm still getting used to the temps, though. Okay. Oh, there's still the temps. They're not the real ones. Yeah, I don't get the real ones to the day before Thanksgiving. You got fake teeth? Okay. Can I see them? It's just my teeth, but they're just fake.

No, I'm serious. It's just a mold of what my teeth were before, But they're fake. Oh, okay. Yeah. While they make, like the real veneers and everything. Do you like the change? Do you like the change?

There's really, there's no change now. They're just fake. Like it's literally a mold of what my teeth were before. Like chips and all are still here. Oh. But they're just like fake. Oh, okay. So there's nothing to be excited about yet.

No, no. Okay, cool. So yeah, now I'm just getting used to even having the temps because you can, you can feel it. You got dentures. Can you take them out and in? No. No. No.

They're like... Do you have dentures? He doesn't have dentures to marriage. Oh. No, they're like... It's just me. You only have gums in your mouth. Like, you don't have no teeth.

He has teeth in his mouth. Oh, okay. This isn't a plug, but how great they were. They did throw in, um, a mouth guard for free. Which I didn't know mouth guards are like 500 bucks. Oh, wow. Because apparently just a very calm human being like me, you would be surprised. You know, I grind my teeth at night, like when I sleep?

I'm not surprised at all. I'm not a really calm person like me. I do too. Yeah. So I need to get... I grab my teeth as well. So I need to get a mouth card. Do you sleep with one?

I was thinking about it, though. I don't know. I feel like I won't be able to sleep if I have, I feel like in my football practice. It's not, well, yeah, yeah. It's a mouthpiece, but it's not as, I don't think it's as obnoxious as a football mouthpiece, though. And what if, like, you know, sometimes when you're sleeping with your soulmate,

sometimes the middle of the night, like, sometimes the mood arises. Like, then I got to take the mouth guard out. You wake up in the middle of the night to have sex? Yeah. I mean, now, because I'm not having sex with anyone, but... Once I'm sleep, I'm sleep. See you on the other side of the moon. See you another side of the moon, baby.

Mall's definitely had some roll over, loving. Would you just roll over and... In the middle of the night? Yeah. No, in the morning. Like, it's like the sun's coming up on you. Not like, if we go to sleep at 12, I'm not waking up at 3.30. Like, yo, it was good.

Like... Really? No. I'm not like a frequent thing, but yeah, it's definitely happened multiple times when you're like in a relationship. Now, if we're doing like bedrock Sunday. days, then I'll go to sleep and wake up and like, mm. And it felt like it was like a whole new day and it was like you just slept, especially

now. Like you fall asleep at 2.30 on a Sunday and wake up at 6, and you think it's a whole new day. Yeah. It's like, yo, it's 9.30? Like 6.15. You wake up mad confused too. Like, looking around.

It's dark. It feels like you're going to sleep 10 hours, four hours and past. Especially now when it goes, you know, when it gets dark around 430. Yeah, they got to get rid of that daylight saving shit. I'm on that side now. I'm with you. amazing the things like I'm on the side of now as an adult. Like, yeah, we can get rid of daylight savings. Once I found out people in Arizona don't know nothing about that, I was like,

is that true? They don't do that? No. Okay. What is it for farmers and crops or something, which I still never fully understood? I'm sure there's a deeper conspiracy to it that that is insane. It probably is something to do with the Rothschilds. I could just definitely. Even though it's only in a mass, something to do with our banking system, I'm sure. It's just very simple. It's very simple. People who wake up, we all don't wake up in the morning to go to work, People who wake up in the morning to go to work, they want a little bit of light to when they go, like, to work. Yeah, but daylight in the morning in the winter, it's dark. Like, I remember walking to the bus stop and it'd be dark.

Yeah, it would be darker and it would take longer to get light if they didn't do daylight savings. Okay. So it says the historical and traditional purposes, it was to save energy. The original goal was to conserve fuel and energy by decreasing reliance on artificial lighting, maximize evening daylight, shifting clocks forward creates more usable, daylight in the evening, which was thought to encourage, which was thought to encourage outdoor activities after the work day. It makes sense. You like to go out after work, baby. Do you need a little sunlight still out? Well, I mean, I kind of, maybe it's just the morbid in me. I do like in the

winter that it gets darker earlier. Like, let's close the day a little earlier. Summer I love. I love where it could stay light till 8 p.m. That's amazing. It's a summer. Let's be outside. But in the wintertime and it's cold, yeah. Let's shut this day down around 445. I never know how many, I never know how many people I knew that had seasonal depression. Like I know a lot of people. I'm just like, and I'm starting to notice it like, I'm like, oh, you have seasonal depression. Like you, you get into a little funk around the fall.

Like summer, spring, total different person. Fall winter. No, they call me four seasons. It's not a seasonal thing. That's four seasons. Sam right there. No, they call you something else. Oh.

What? See, my, this is why I want to come to work no more, man. I can't have a lot of work. That's why we want to come to work. I can't have fun at the workplace. Yeah. It's dark when you leave. It's dark when I leave.

Dark when I get home. Like, what the fuck, man? I can't do shit. It's work depression now. Yeah, I got work depression. But no, seasonal depression is definitely real. Maul, you don't, you don't suffer from seasonal depression at all? No, I'm just depressed all you around, all four seasons.

Oh, I don't care what it's doing outside. Fuck y'all. Oh. That's how I give it up. So you finally admit that depression is real? Yeah, depression. Oh, better help me have you back after all. No, no, I said suicide.

Ah, here we go. Well, I said was suicide. I didn't say what. All I said was suicide. I didn't say what. Call Rory at better help. You were referring to the doors on your whip, right? They won't let me work there.

They won't let me work in better help. Just call Rory. He'll help you out. I mean, do you think seasonal oppression comes from having to be inside or just cold in general? Lack of vitamin D? No, I think the holes like to be naked. And when they can't be naked no more, they got to promote. You know, I don't know if that's really what would define seasonal oppression.

but I see we were trying to take the culture. They can't show, well, some whole show ass in the one. I mean, you could show ass in your house. I think it's maybe probably just lack of a good son. Yes. What? Well, actually, yes. The magic.

Have you been to onlyfans.com forward slash everybody? Yeah, you can definitely pay bills from home for sure. Yeah. They probably get more work done in the winter. Of course. Yeah. Unless it's been flown out. Yeah, it's the busy season.

Actually, I'm sure winter is their busy season. No, it is. All the guys are inside not doing shit. Everybody's depressed. That's like their tax season. Just hammering their hogs. So seasonal depression. Sick.

Seasonal depression is caused by a disruption in the body's internal clock, primarily due to reduced sunlight during certain seasons, which can lead to imbalances in the brain chemicals, serotonin and melatonin. Oh, see, that's why we got to get rid of daylight savings. There's nothing. So daylight. That will help seasonal depression.

Okay, so, baby, we are going to lose, like, darkness. I mean, we're going to lose light no matter what, whether we observe daylight savings or not. Daylight savings is to try to give you a little bit more light during the day. It'll be the same amount of light no matter what, but they change the clock so that you get a longer day. Are you seeing what I'm saying? Same amount of light, but when you're up.

Can we call somebody in Arizona see how this affects them? Because they know nothing about this. They don't know. They don't observe daylight savings time, but they also get a different amount of sunlight than us. They're on a totally different coast. They're a totally different part of the world. Part of the world. I mean, it's like a two-hour flight.

flight. Arizona? Arizona is like a four and a half hour flight. Depending on where you are. Well, I mean, if you're in Nevada, yeah. I thought you were referring to where we were at this very moment. Same shit. But yeah, like the light, the amount of light we get will be different. It's just when you see that light will be at different times. Is that, um, that town that went viral? Talk to the groundhogs. Let's see what the groundhogs think. Is there groundhogs in the Arizona desert? Oh, the whole ground. I don't know. The rattlesnake shadow tells him that the cat. The catnice. Has the town made it to y'all algorithm on Instagram?

It's like the town that has 24-hour sunlight for half the year and then like 24-hour darkness for the other half. I've heard it. And everyone leaves their watches at the bridge because they no longer need this. I don't believe that's AI, bro. No, no. The whole video is certainly AI, but I wasn't sure if it was really a town or not. It's not Alaska. It's not Alaska.

It's somewhere up there. Yeah, there's a couple of them. Including Utah Jigivik Barrow. Alaska. And Long Yearbien, Svalbard. Svalbard. I'm just naming the place, long year. It's funny as shit.

Long year being. And you do get to like the root of a lot of names, not the Western ones that we changed, like York and Jersey. But like the real names, yeah, they're all very simple. Like, it's green here. That's what the word means. Greendale. Traum's Norway.

The city experiences the midnight sun for about two months. I think that's the one, the Norway one. But it was crazy because they showed, like all this winter shit and they were like sometimes you could see people playing soccer at 4 a.m. And I'm like, it's nothing but mountains of snow in the shit. Who's playing soccer? So that's why I didn't know

if it was real. Would you do the Antarctica trip? I know the flat earthers did it and became non-flat earthers. But they saw the 24 hours sun. I would do that trip. I don't know if I want to see that. I would just want to see Antarctica and maximize my time by seeing it because it never gets dark.

Antarctica I would like to see but I don't know if I want to see a son for fucking six was it six weeks straight experienced the sun no for about two months where you're six weeks nah

it's eight weeks baby but that's what I'm saying the city experience is the midnight sun for about two months during the summer yeah no I wouldn't want that I don't want to see the sun for two months straight

I would the sun makes me happy the sun gets me up if it's a I can always tell if it's raining before I open my fucking eyes because I have such a hard time waking up

you know the whole black mothers like to tell you it's going to rain. No, be the knee, her knee, the knee side. Knee, feet, back, arm. But we needed this. Yeah, we needed this. Yeah. We needed this. Yeah.

We needed this. Rain. No, now it's just dirtier here. No, I think the rain cleanses New York. It brings up all the dirt. No, I mean, sometimes these sidewalks be so filthy. Like, I know when it needs to, like, downpour rain. Like, you can see juice on the sidewalk for three, four days.

I'm like, all right, bro, like. But the way it's been downpouring in New York, not to be. too local and it's been flooding. New York's been flooding. That's weird as fuck. Like, why is- Because all the leaves that was like they're not clearing the drains. I knew that was going to happen. I'm like, you see so many leaves. I'm like, where the street cleaners? The street sweepers at. I don't even see those no more like that. You do when you're about to get a parking ticket. They just pop up. Well, that's the only time

you see it. Yeah. They pop up like bloody Mary in the mirror. Have you ever looked at the street is like sometimes the brush is not even hitting the street? They're just driving. I'm like, bro, you're not cleaning shit. You just, you just circling the block. I'm gonna take a video next time on my block of when the street sweepers call. They literally, it's like if you just went in a dusty-ass kitchen

and just went like this and then walked out. Yeah, that's like the, we could get, I think we could get rid of this. They leave like a wet line and then all the trash dust and dirt there too. Now there's just a wet line. That's all they do. Sometimes the brush is like not even hitting the street.

It's just moving. Yeah, it's not. I've noticed that for years. I'm like, I don't, I think we can get rid of this part of this. Or just like a new version of it that like sucks up the garbage or like I just feel like that's one thing that they have not advanced when they could have with street sweepers. Yeah. But I mean, I'm, Mondani's going to do it.

Mom, Donnie's going to do it. We'll probably be able to just just walk into a street sweeper. They're probably just parking with your keys in the ignition and you can just do it yourself. They're going to use you for a street sweeper. That's what's going to happen. You're about to be the street sweeper. That's for sure. But where are we at?

I know it's been a sort of a slow news week. Why y'all ain't told me Usher and Brian Michael Cox is beefing? They're not beefing. They're not beefing? You got insider training information? No, Beacock's posted a, he posted a response to it. Okay. I think a company he was like, was like a minority, like investor in or something like that

and Usher going through something. It's not Brian Michael Cox specific. But still involved. So for those that haven't read this, Brian Michael Cox and his company were trying to open up like a restaurant lounge in Buckhead, Atlanta. Usher invested $1.7 million into it. A year passes and nobody even bought a property. So Usher's like, yo, let me get my money back.

I believe they gave him a million back, but not the other $700,000. And now he's suing for $4.9 million in damages because he hasn't received his $700,000 back. I did not see what B. Cox's response was if you want to fill them in on that and fill fill me up. Oh, no, he just posted that him and Usher's relationship is still. very much intact. It was just, you know, a company that he or a venture that he was, there goes right here. I've learned a lot recently about being careful with who you choose

to invest in a business with, no matter how small the investment. I'm currently in the middle of a failed deal that I didn't orchestrate. And while the situation has been disappointed, I know my name will be cleared by both sides. It's just unfortunate that this clarity didn't come sooner. My legal team has also advised me of a lawsuit involving a company where I am only a passive minority shareholder. I was not a participant in that business transaction and have no involvement in the ongoing legal process. While I'm unable to share more details right now, I want to make one thing absolutely clear.

My 27-year friendship with Usher remains fully intact. I appreciate everyone who has reached out with concern. Thank you for the love, the patience, and understand it. So yeah, it just sounds like, you know, they had, as friends, they had an idea to open a lounge, you know, try to do something together. and sometimes, you know, things don't go the way everyone had anticipated or hoped. And Usher is probably like, all right, well, shit, I want my money back. And, you know, because Brian, Michael Cox is a minority shareholder in this investment.

And, you know, they're going to attach it to Brian Michael Cox as well. But I was glad that he, to see that. Because when I first read it, I was like, damn, B. Cox and Usher's beefing. Like, oh, man, but this is just a- Could lead some good writing material. Yeah, this is just. a business venture that just didn't go the way. I think all part is anticipated and Usher is seeking to get his money back and Brian Michael Cox is just a part of the investment. Josh, can you pull up

on YouTube, because you know we've got to be specific, YouTube division if I get caught, DVSN. Hmm. Not the division sign. If I get caught. So, Demaris, when I read this article initially, it said that the money was used for other things. And then it brought, me back to how expensive that video division did with mall, with friends of the show, Lex and Dreia. Like, this was a really expensive video. And when the article said the money was used for other things, now I'm starting to think B. Cox maybe paid mall a little extra from his fee to get him to Atlanta and do this video. Are you a minority share owner in this company as well, Mo? No. I didn't like that, no. I have nothing to do with this. I feel like you were

shocked, I just connected all the dots and you've been caught. If I get caught, ironically, is the name of the song. No, that is the name of the song. It's just, Maugh has nothing to do. I mean, Bacog's right there, right next to you. Yeah, no, no. Everyone looks like they have a lot of money in this video. Yeah, that had nothing to do with me.

Like, we had a great time. Like, I could do whatever with it. We had a great time, had a great day shooting, and everybody went home and that was it. All right, but did you see a card come out? Who, like, put the bill during this whole thing? Are you ever concerned?

And look at this car. What type of vehicle was this? You would have to, I believe that was a Mibok. Okay. Yes. Unless they reboot Pimp My Ride, I've never seen a Mayback with a hookah dispensary in it. That seems like something that you would have to pay high dollar for. No, that was a damn.

Something around like $1.7 million, this is kind of what this video felt like to me. That was a Daniel exclusive right there. The way they had that shit. He just duct tape that shit in the back. I was like, I don't think niggas smoke hookah in their car, but, you know, whoever own that Mayback, shout out to them because, you know, people will bring their cars to video shoots to rent them out. Imagine you got your Mayback at a video shoot. You see someone light in a cold. I would lose my fucking mind.

No, he did, though. I know it. He was smoking hookah in there. He was, like, really nervous about that hookah the whole night. Was it electronic or was really colds? I think it might have been real colds. He wouldn't have been nervous. I think it was real cold. But you know they had the foil where up where it wouldn't

like fall off. One speed bump in Buckhead is sending that coal in the mall's lap. Yeah. Good times though. We had a good time shooting that video. Okay. So you can assure that this came directly from LVRN OVO. Yes. I think I think LVRN, you know, covered this and everything was fine. I mean tax records I think are public. If you request them, we can we can do some digging. What you mean if I get caught cheating I don't mean I don't love you Like it just be shit That just don't make sense

That you turn into a song I don't mean I think they were pretty direct there What is there to dissect? Whatever I was just wondering Shit ain't make no sense to me I'm sorry y'all can go back ahead

You think that if somebody cheats on you That means they don't love you I think that love is a action And part of part of the verb of love Is making a commitment Not only just a commitment The honesty portion We can go into that

because I'm currently reading all about love by bell hooks, and there's just so much more that goes into the verb love. I think people can care about somebody, show affections to somebody and have feelings for somebody. But to actively verbally, I mean, as a verb, love them, no. So you don't believe in making mistakes is what you. I believe in making mistakes, but cheating ain't a mistake. That's a choice.

It takes mad steps to get to cheating. I know I've cheated before. Mad steps. Sometimes the choices you make or turn out to be mistakes. No, because a mistake is something like, damn, like I called you like, mill and your name is maul that's a mistake like i didn't mean to do i mean you never intentionally not intentionally made a mistake but intentionally done something and then afterwards

like that was a real mistake even though i was very lucid in what i was doing i now know that that was a complete mistake on my behalf yeah it was a choice it just was a bad one it was a bad choice it wasn't a mistake is accidentally you accidentally do something that's a mistake you just made a bad choice or a choice that you regret it's not a mistake so if you okay so if you out right now with your girls and you know y'all partying dinner having a good time doing what y'all do a guy's at dinner somebody's friend is a guy y'all start just flirting whatever and you kiss him but you're like you know you've been drinking you've been i'm just saying you've been drinking it's like you know you didn't really mean to kiss him but then you realize right after kiss him like damn

like that was crazy like that's never happened you never made that steps to get to that kissing it's mad for sure because you had to first feel something for that person before you even kissed them. And the moment you had any type of feeling that was inappropriate or something that you and your partner didn't agree upon, you should have got the fuck up out of there and realized, whoa, this is inappropriate. Okay. I would say Gary V is a good source of reference here, right?

Gary V. says a mistake is an unintentional error often caused by oversight, misunderstanding, or lack of information, while a bad decision is a conscious, deliberate choice to do something wrong or with a poor outcome. So a key role is intent and accountability. Mistakes are accidents, bad decisions require ownership of the action and its consequences. I mistakenly made a bad choice. And you say to that, baby Dee?

She's kind of right. I'm sorry, my bad. My bad, sorry, that wasn't. You said what? My bad. My bad. Did I hear what I think she did? What she said?

I'm sorry. I didn't hear it. See, I'm going to listen back just to hear what you just said. I was just wondering. No, I was just, I remember when you were in that music video and I was just like, Like, look at what mall is champion? Wait, what did he champion? The song, the message.

I was just hanging out with my homies for the night. Like, I didn't. They labeled, when they were casting the ain't shit best friend, they said, I know who fits this. Mall. Well, he played the- Cast it wrong. That's all.

They get cast it wrong all the time. They didn't mean to give me that title. It was a mistake. It was a mistakenly good decision to catch you with that. Wait, but what was the end of the video? Wasn't it ended up being like nobody- It was my phone. It was just.

Your phone, yeah. Drea found my, I left my phone at the house and she thought it was Daniel's phone. So she was standing outside waiting for us to get back so she could raise hell. She didn't ready like toy, his shit up in the house, did all of that. And then we get back and I'm like, oh shit, damn, I left my phone. So it was like my phone. And I mean, I'm the single friend. Yeah, single friend.

You didn't do anything. Girls can be texting me, but she's thinking girls are texting Daniel's phone. So, yeah. I feel like you would know as someone that has used that excuse when being abruptly woken up out of their sleep. I feel like you would know if this was your man's phone or not. Plot hole. Because why ain't no text for me in there? You know, deleting your girls' text messages and keeping the other messages is the wildest.

Yeah. No, but she didn't get in the phone. I think she, you know, I was on the screen, like the lock screen. You can see the text is coming in. And she probably seen, like, you know, different girls texting. But you know, some, you know, but you're thinking, you're trying to think, like, logical. You know, in that moment when you already think your man is, like, doing dirt. and you think you found the smoking gun

and you don't realize that ain't his gun like it's easy to like overlook the fact like that ain't even his phone. Nah. It's a plot hole in that. I would know. You know. They live together.

It ain't like like they live together. She'd know what his phone look like. Ah, he could have a second phone. Let's pay that pot. No. No, that's a big no. That's a big no-no. You got a second phone of your girl.

Don't know. You ask him for a whole new level. Now, Drake, I could have thought, I just found Daniel's second phone. Like, not his main phone. His other one. Okay. So, yeah, I don't think that's a pothole on the script.

He just found like, oh, he got two phones? Roy, you say you don't think it's a what? Pothole. Plot hole. Yeah, but. He has a bout hole. We paved that pothole. The Ls don't roll out through the new veneers.

I'm like, he kept saying a pothole. They left the Ls at the dentist office. Okay. You got to pay extra for him? Yeah, you got to get your L's back. Glendale Dentistry gave me a great discount with left the L's L's I got to pay That's the tip for

Yeah you got to pay extra for that I've never been in a music. I feel like everybody on staff has been in a music video but me Uh oh yeah I was in a most of Orange's video Shot your own video That is true

You had a video before all of us That's whatever But I mean As an actor or actress I've never been in a music video Y'all have y'all like video hoes Uh You've been in a couple.

Roy, you've been in your own. You've been in other people's. Oh, yeah. Now, I've actually, now I think about it, I have been in a lot of music videos. Yeah. They gave them all a lot of shit for that,

and I just quietly sat like, I've been way more, doing way worse things than mall music videos. Yeah. That was the homies. We were just hanging out for the day and just recorded it. That's all that shit was.

Literally hung out for the day. No, that shit came out great. And pressed record. That's all of that was. So it was fun, though. We could stay on music. I feel like, We were the trendsetters for having brawls at shows that don't warrant it whatsoever in the greater DMV area.

We had a fight at our show at Howard Theater. Was that last year? Yes. Last year, for some reason, there was a fight that broke out at a podcast show that was resolved quickly and we continued on. Nobody was harmed. But then I see this morning that they were fighting at a, Leon Thomas show and Leon Thomas even put a comment under says I got no songs that weren't the shit. Yeah. Like what song was you fighting to? Yeah. Like Leon ain't got nothing to his catalog

that feels like Nuck a few buck. Like it ain't no reason for y'all to be fighting at a Leon Thomas. I'm trying to think what I like what's the Jake one hood hop beat? That could be the same BPM in the mutt. Like maybe they did a remix and yeah but the context, the lyrics. It's the vibe. Yeah, my dog, I'm a mutt. Let's fight. Yeah, but that ain't fighting at it. I just, I never understood fighting at like shows like that like definitely at a lot of podcasts but then like aren't an rn't b show so you don't do that you're fighting for unless now we diffused it we almost got in a fight at a summer walker show at bowlery ballroom like her first show ever when it was only like 50 people in the crowd i almost gone to it all of us why when so it was definitely the other people's

fault but we diffused it because we were like we're trying we're about to fight at a summer walker show oh i don't remember we were upstairs and yeah it was it was their fault they were being Oh, okay. But yeah, it was close. Now, hold on, because I could understand people fighting at an R&B show if you see your significant other day there with somebody, you didn't think that they was on. Yeah. You know, it could be date night for somebody.

Yeah, it can be date night for somebody and you ain't know your, you know, your boo was going out on with somebody. Like, it could be somebody got caught cheating. You know, imagine, imagine you see your girl's location and it's at the Fillmore in Maryland. You Google, oh, shit, Leon Thomas Show, and then you try to go and the tickets sold out. So now you're just sitting outside waiting for... I can't even go in surprise her.

I'm not doing that. I'm not sitting outside, no show that. I know my girl is that waiting for to come outside. I just don't want that. Because I know me, man. I don't want that problem. Yeah, I don't want that problem. I don't want that.

I would just... I mean, it's sometimes easier to just be like, yo, you know what? Do your thing, man. As hard as that is, you know, just do your thing. I'm not going to jail for no pussy. I ain't doing that. But also don't do that.

There's words have been exchanged to division shows before. of people that claimed they could fight and that didn't want to. But maybe it was because it was a division show. That was the reason who would fight an R&B show. But I mean, we're civilians, that person is a certified thug.

So I thought it was on site all the time. What do I know? But yes, people fight at R&B shows. Yes, they do. And we definitely almost got it shaking at a Summer Walker show, which is insane. I don't remember that. At Bowery ballroom of all places. Yeah, I don't remember that.

On the balcony, too. There's not really much room to fight. I can't remember what I mean. do remember being there, but I don't remember that almost right. Well, I'm glad nobody was hurt. And I don't know. I feel for Leon, too, because venues don't really research shit. They just see headlines.

And it's like now Leon could look like a liability, even though obviously he's not. And fans fucked that up a lot for artists. Was he able to finish the show, though? That they didn't, like, fully say, but I mean. I just like the fact that he went along and said, listen, I ain't got no songs. That warranted. Yeah, like, this is like, I don't have. Nothing that I was performing would warrant y'all to start.

What was the, uh, was it when 50 was doing like his Vegas residency and they, they hooked him to the shit and he was flying like, 50 has no songs where you flying over the crowd. It's just weird when rappers start doing like pop artist shit. I think it's hilarious. It's like, what you doing, man? Like, why are you flying around the arena? We also don't talk enough about 50 being upside down.

Look at 50. But knowing 50, yeah. But no. 50, he did this shit on purpose. To laugh. Yeah, he know, like, he know he ain't supposed to be doing that. Yo, who was? He was a fair.

Oh, no, not that one. Like, 50, know he ain't supposed to be suspended midair. And this looks like his sound check. He just chilling. Yo. That is hilarious. Doing that to many men would be hilarious. Just flying over and pointing at many men.

But, I mean, if I was a superstar like 50 was and had the budget that he did at, this point I would just start checking things off my bucket list. Like when he does these world tours, I would just find the wildest things that I could do. Yeah, 50 ain't not supposed to. He's not supposed to be like suspended mid-air though. Like, did you see the video of Chris Brown's mom when she wanted to do the look at me now run that he does in the stadiums? Oh yeah. Like I before the show and it's like an amusement park ride.

Yeah. If I was on that tour, I would 1,000% ask like, hey, like before y'all do sound check, you mind if I strap in? me up and spin me around the arena real quick. And then give me a mic and let me try, like to sing. Would y'all, um, Roy, do you plan on going to Leon's show? I mean, I hope you're not shooting hands, but you know he's here this weekend in New York.

If I can get a babysitter. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like Leon's been on tour for like three years straight. He needs a break. Yeah. And how is he putting out these amazing EPs while he's also singing every single night? Yeah, I hope Leon takes 2026 to like, chill

where's he at this week you said this weekend yeah he's here this weekend he's here Sunday and Monday where's he performing there I actually am not sure I'll look that up I would definitely want to check me

on out live while you want to go on me no alright just do it no I'll go fuck myself it's cool Brooklyn Paramount which I mean

if you're listening to this the show has passed but Joey Badass is there tonight which I know be a good show If you're listening to this the show has not passed Joey Badass is tonight as we're recording this

It'll pass by the time I hear this But yeah Leon Thomas November 23rd Is in Brooklyn And the 24th as well Both at Brooklyn Paramount Yeah Is he taking Thanksgiving off at least

Got the drinks and I'm going back to back I hear you Leon Wait which day is the 24th Oh I could do Monday Oh I could do Monday Monday's my day Oh I could do Monday is hilarious More when you don't really get

very many days. I heard it. I heard it. I heard the ooh. Like I have a day. Like I can't go to the Joey Badass show tonight, which I would love to, but I can't. Yeah. That happens because surprisingly in New York, most shows are during the week because they're going to

sell out. Whereas they try to focus on smaller markets for the weekend because they do better. New York, people are going out every night. It doesn't matter. So usually I have to miss most of the shows because they're during the week. But after work on Monday, I usually have off. So like, should we go as a family? I'm down

When was the last time you were in Brooklyn? Last weekend Oh wow, okay, my bad Yeah, they know me in Brooklyn They love me out there They know you? Yeah, they love me in Brooklyn. Anyways to be them all

Yeah, yeah, that's you. Hell yeah. Brooklyn? You just don't know you, bro. In Brooklyn? Snigas don't know you, bro. You crazy. You know what I used to be doing.

They know me. No, no, tell us. No, definitely not. Leon Thomas, November 24th and 23rd. But yeah, I would definitely want to check Leon out. I like him. I want to see what his live show looks like. Where do you think they don't know you?

Don't know me? I mean, New York, it's very hard for me to go in a borough and not know the right people. Because some of y'all be knowing people in borough? Like, nobody knows that nigga. I ain't got to fuck about that nigga. I ain't know him, man. Wait, all right. So then what's the definition of they know me out there?

If somebody know me out there, don't they know me out there? No, but it's a different. It's like when you know the right people. I get what you're saying, but it's found more. Like, I don't care if the random, random people don't know. me. Like nobody knows them. The movers and shakers got it. Okay, got you. The people that niggas know, know me. Okay.

Yeah. All right, but what is the line and the scale of that? Like, they have to be a party promoter. They have to be like... No, I don't want no party promoters to know me. Usually, I'm saying usually that's a front for something. Nah. Just like,

you know the guys. You know the guys I'm talking about. They ain't, they ain't... They're free the guys? Yeah, they not promote no parties. They don't want to be on no flyers. They ain't doing that. Well, I guess I think they know me. In Brooklyn? Oh, no, they know me in Brooklyn. Yeah.

No, for sure. You know people in Brooklyn? Absolutely. Yeah. So why when I say it, it sound foreign? Because I wanted you to explain to the people with, I know what you were trying to say, but some people could take that as like, yeah, no, I got like two friends from college that live in Brooklyn. They know me.

No, no. That's a whole different thing. That's definitely not what I was saying. No. When you walk in, you are protected. Yes. They know malls and tell you, I'm checking with him. Just going to see the family.

I'm going to see some good friends. That's all, man. Tom's in Brooklyn. Of course. Well, I know you're thinking about upgrading to the all-new iPhone 17 Pro designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever, but are you also thinking about all that traffic on your way to the store and transferring all your data, congestion, pricing,

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Terms apply. Let's say since you talk about Leon in Maryland, D.C. Did you see the Waleigh clip? I believe it was Breakfast Club, right? He was talking to Charlemagne and he said that he was talking to Cole and Kendrick about, you know, he has a child on the way and talked about some of his problems and just vent into the homies, and then the next fucking day,

Jay Cole put out false profits. Can we play this clip? I remember I called Kendrick around that time. We talked about, like, we just had, that was at that time. And I remember, like, getting ready to have my child. I talked to code. I was probably the only two times I really leaned on an industry person. you know so

but I the crazy thing is false profits came up the next day I was gonna ask you about those proffers came out this very next day after but um I ain't take it though

you know what I'm saying but I think you didn't tell you the record was driving nah but I mean he says it's not really about me but well I mean

all I'm saying is that that's I love them that's my brother whatever I just I mean I think I kind of halted telling any industry

person anything too deep, like around that time. Like, I just like, you know what? I don't even want to think that they using this, like, you know what? Yeah. Man. Nigga, what?

What didn't you understand? It sounded like he was getting cut off. He was like, hey, sorry, I ain't want to, you know, say it. Mall. Say what you're saying. Yo, that was whack. Nah, see, that's what I'm saying. Say what you're saying.

You know, that was whack. And as a result of that, I don't really be talking to these rap niggas because I don't know if they're using like personal conversations for content and for like information. That's what he was saying. That's what he, that's what he wanted to say, but that ain't what he said. He said it though. Like, not as the way you just so eloquently put it. He said it. He definitely said it. But, yo, Wollet's standing. Because he went out saying like, yo, I'm not, I'm done doing this with other people because it could be used against me. But that's the thing in this industry. Because Wale is a nice guy by nature. Very nice guy. And then when you find out that everybody ain't

nice and everybody ain't the way you are, then you get on these platforms and you don't want to say it because you don't want to seem like like you're talking about nobody and I respect that about Waleigh but sometimes you gotta be like you listen man

homie did some whack shit and as a result of that I don't really be opening up to rappers and trying to get too cool with these niggas because they move funny just say that shit but I'm not about first of I'm not going to let you do that

because the timeline is a little off with this and it definitely was resolved and I also think J Cole out of all the the rappers is probably just as equally nice as a human being as Wiley as

Cole No knock on. I'm just saying while A was sounding like he wanted to say something at the same time he didn't want to say nothing. Now, if in fact, if in fact they had that conversation on, let's say, the first and then false profits dropped on the second, I have to give so much credit to Cole felt in the creative team. The fact that you could write that record and make Jamaica Avenue

into Willie Wonka Chocolate Factory video, wow. What a turnover to put it out. But I'm sure he's probably paraphrased. I'm sure it came out shortly after. But then while they put out Groundhogs Day, which I think is one of the more underrated, I don't think it's a dis, more underrated responses.

Like, it still has replay value to me. I still love Groundhog Day. And then they went to the, I think it was a North Carolina game the next day. They were sitting courts out together. Like they resolved the entire thing. And I don't think. I'm not saying it's beef.

I mean, it's like, you know, it's rap. You can have a little friendly, like, fire, like a friendly little, like back and forth with dudes that you really cool. So just to clarify, y'all are telling me that y'all think false profits is about Waleh. Yeah. I think one verse is about Kanye and one verse about Waleigh. What was the first verse?

I'm trying to remember. Baby D. I'm just speaking to in this clip that y'all just showed me, Walee seemed like he wanted to say something but then he didn't want to. Because it's resolved in. No, I get it. I understand it, but then don't speak on it. That's what I'm saying. Wait, well, why not? You can still speak about some shit.

The first verse being about Kanye makes sense. Right. Second verse is the one that you would say will be about Wale. Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. Which, I mean, we've covered when it came out. Obviously, that was a big week on Twitter of who's, who would be verses about.

But yeah. And if Wale had a conversation with Cole, who he was on tour with at the beginning of his career, slept in the same tour bus, somebody that he probably confide with. Like, not just some random stranger that also raps. Like, I'm pretty sure they had spent a lot of time together in a real way. Yeah, when they were on, I think it was a blueprint three, one, whatever. There's footage of them in Denny's. Like, they lived together for a long time.

They grew up together. Yeah. Like, that was their college years, more or less. Yeah, I'm sure he said a lot of similar things to him in this conversation. And Cole having one of the greatest pens ever easily just put that on in rhyme for him. And Wally was like, yo, what the fuck? I just had a conversation with you about all these talking points. Yeah, but that's something.

I don't think what Cold did was wrong. Like, you know, sometimes you draw inspiration from real life things. And if you had a conversation with a close friend of yours and it inspired you to write a verse, like, I like that. I respect that. I'm just saying, you know, with Walee. Because Wale is, you know, we always. give him his flowers. We always say that he needs to be talked about more and, you know,

but in this clip, it just seemed like he had something on his mind or on his heart that he wanted to say, but then he didn't want to say something that could be taken the wrong way and things like that. Like, that's all I'm speaking to. It's just like he sounded like he had something he wanted to say, but at the same time he held back and was like, nah, I don't want to say that. Yeah. I mean, I guess this does go back to conversations we've had just over the years.

If I was Waile when this came out, I would feel away. Now, outside looking and thinking what I know Wale and Cole's relationship was at that time. And things I say to you, you put on wax. I don't think this is a diss, but it's like, damn,

you put our conversation in a song and didn't tell me. Now, if Cole had been like, yo, tomorrow, if you're mad, I totally understand it. Here's the song. Just want to give you a heads up. I would respect that more. But I don't know if it's old. The older I've gotten,

which we've talked about multiple times, friends even in the music industry that I consider friends, not associates, I still don't put as much stake into it as I used to of thinking that they would owe me anything the way friends maybe you grew up with or don't work with do. So I see what Wally is saying now of like, yeah, you can still talk about Filloway and it's resolved and him and Cole are cool. They should put out a number one record together with the vibrant thing sample. like, but I'm still like looking at it like now I know how to move with people I even thought

were friends in the industry per se. Yeah, I'm not, just move. Or I don't have the expectations now. If I say something, it could be used against me. And that's just in the court of hip hop. In the hip hop, yes, for sure. But, okay, not cold caping, I swear, because that needs to be a phrase. Let me see you turn around. This is a classic record. Not cold case. Turn around. Let me see you got a cape born. I didn't even see what you got on. It was a cardigan. Okay. I thought that was a cape. I don't know if I'm Waleigh, which I've never been Waleigh.

I've never been famous and talented and all of these cool things. So I know. I don't know if I'm Waleigh, if I hear that verse, if I'm offended. I don't, or if I feel like I was betrayed. You see what I'm saying? I don't know if I feel that way. Because honestly, the first verse can very obviously be set up to be about Kanye, right? But the second verse, if him and Waleigh weren't friends, nobody would, I don't think

people would assume that that verse was about Waleigh, because that fits, that's about so many rappers that are doing well, but maybe not as well as they feel like they should be doing or comparing, you know, drawing comparisons to their peers or anything like that. You can make that verse about so many people in, in the music industry. So that's what I'm like that. And even, even so, even if I did have that conversation with my friend, I don't know if that's the same thing that my friend told me, um, in private, if it's the same, the advice that you give in the verse, if it's the same advice that my friend gave me in private, I don't know if I feel offended or if I feel like I should have kept that to myself.

For example, Roy, you've used, you've sent me lyrics that were like, yo, I drew inspiration from you and homie, remember? I can't be mad at you like, you betrayed me because I was honest about my love life and you used it in a song. Like, that's, even if you never sent it to me beforehand, if I heard that, I'm like, hey, that's about. Yeah, but that was very much more open-ended than how direct, Open and B lyrics are really for interpretation. They're not as specific as what these rap verses are.

And the way Cole masterfully put this together, it made you want to guess who exactly he was talking about. The lyrics I sent you, nobody would sit there and go like, well, who exactly is this about with all the clues that are in there? Okay. But here's the thing, where I'm a hypocrite in this entire conversation. I have talked about personal stuff on this podcast, whether it be significant others,

parents, whether it be my family members. And I never asked for permission, never even thought to give them a heads up. Hey, I'm talking about this tomorrow. It's going out. So I'm a hypocrite in that way. We've all done that. So it's not like I don't understand what Cole did. Shit, I've done it way more than Cole has.

Yeah. So I get it, but I understand why significant others, my family, my parents have felt away. The same way I think, while they would too. And on top of that, now everybody's in my mentions. and I already told you some of my anxieties with this entire thing, and that very thing that you took is now adding to my anxiety with all the fans and my mentions talking about this shit. So I get it.

But I think Wale handled it fine. I was talking about the past, because they were reminiscing in that Breakfast Club interview about kind of those four of Cole, Drake, Kendrick, Wale, and how they all started together. So talking about the ups and downs, I don't think is a bad thing. And I'm sure Wale is past the shit,

but he probably is like, I'm not, I'm keeping some shit to myself, no matter who I think is a close associate or friend in the industry with stuff. No friends in the industry. My brother's in my brother's in it. Come on, y'all not listening. But I mean, even if you think it's akin to me,

that's a fact. That's the fact. But even then, like, I don't even think anything that Cole said about Wiley in here. Y'all just jamming. Listen to what niggas be telling you. I'll be listening. I'm sorry.

I didn't mean. No, no, it's fine. You fools listening to music and just skimmed through it. I mean, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. Forking the road, I went straight.

I was young angel, but these niggas turn me evil. That villain origin story is going to be classic. I'm telling you all right now. That villain, we're going to look back and be like, that's the moment it happened. I'm telling you.

But anyway. Yeah, Waleigh, shout out the Wileo. Great album. I'm still bumping that. Still listening to that. Like it more and more every listen. I do like the summer walker album, too. So you've finally giving it some.

Yeah, I've been spending that the last like Monday and then Tuesday. I was like, okay, let me listen to this something. Let me see what she really gave us on this one. Did you ever listen to the Mariah album like I told you? I did. Oh, okay. I've been told you I listened to that album. I can't remember we talk a lot in this podcast.

I forgot it. I forget a lot of things. Yeah, yeah. No, I listened to that. But I like to some album. I'm glad. I like to some album. No, it's very good.

Is there any other R&B you guys are looking forward to? Like coming up? I'm looking forward to division. For fourth quarter? I don't know if they drop in fourth quarter But I'm fourth or first Or even just next year Because we got a lot this year

So is there anyone you're looking forward to next year? I think I don't think Sizzers is going to take as much time off R&B you're talking about? I think we'll get a Sizzer project Relatively soon I want to hit a new Mata project Same

I mean I love the Ketranata one where she just took a break off the cell of stuff Mayda is another as an artist that I don't think people talk about enough. She's fire. The ladies in R&B. Oh, yeah. You're like, the ladies in R&B, like, you know, we throw names around, but Maida's name doesn't get brought up enough.

And, like, she's super dope. Like, like you said, the Ketranata Project, that was crazy. But then when she gets into her full R&B ballad bag, like, Mata can sing her ass off. Yeah, for sure. Like, he ain't one of the, you know, even though we listen to the Whisper singers and all of that, like, Maida's not that, though.

She can, like, she can go up there with just a piano. and just a mic and tear shit up so if everybody that's me a M-A-E-T-A if you've never heard of her please go check her out um shout out the meter Cleo Sol I look forward to um trying to think who would be in like album cycle at this time because we did get a lot um I'm just looking back at 2024 who dropped because maybe 26 would give us that I mean Victoria Monet I definitely I think that yeah I think she would be somebody that would Jasmine Sullivan

where's Jasmine at? Hotels is what 23? She gave us that like 23 before that Yeah 22

maybe 21 Before that God damn But her mom died Oh I didn't know that Yeah Yeah

God of a year ago Or something Yeah when did hotels come out That was like In the 2021 Top of 22 If I'm not my sake

Nah Yeah y'all tripping I think that might be 2020 It was not 2020 baby

All right I was working for this podcast when it came out. It was like 20. Hotels? Hotels came out. Yo, this is going to trip you out even more. January 8th, 2021. The top eight days in the 2021.

You wasn't working. We didn't even have this show yet. Yeah. We didn't have the show until May of 2020. Damn. What I'm saying? Like, I knew that shit was like, and I was, I said 2020. January 2020, 2021 is 2020.

Oh, yeah. You know what? I'm thinking about the deluxe. When the deluxe drops. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the deluxe game later, for sure. The deluxe was a real deluxe. It had, like, extra songs on that and shit.

So, yeah. Yeah, with Jasmine, I mean, condolences, you know, she lost her moms. But yeah, Jasmine Sullivan, that, that hotel's probably, she dropped that on us. And it's like, y'all hold that for the next five years. And let me know when one of these ladies are catch up to this singing right here. Because they ain't, they're not catching up to Jasmine. I love all the, but Jasmine Sullivan's a different. So Kalani was actually talking about that.

I had heard of a clip of her basically saying like, or a post of her basically saying like Jasmine is not like these women's peers. Like let's not talk like Jasmine is like one of the mothers of R&B at this point. Like she's one of the. Absolutely. For modern R&B, absolutely. Yeah, Jasmine Sullivan, she could be in the room with, you know. No, she's legacy legend.

Yeah. But still very much relevant. And the songs are so, like it's not just like, because I feel like, Jennifer Hudson has the issue of she hasn't been able to. keep up the music quality or the song quality has not kept up with her voice quality. Whereas with Jasmine, she has the voice quality, but the songs are also bomb as fuck too. Like, it's not just yelling. It's not, she doesn't just showcase her vocal. There's an over-sing, and not to say Jennifer does, but that is usually the main part of the

song, which ends up being very much, here's my ballad, here's my version of pop. And here's a traditional, like, Jasmine really experimented at hotels that made it sound like the era that it was in. sound like ass jasmine projects like she kept up yeah that shit is a classic oh hell yeah absolutely you know what I watch I watch the um what was the Jasmine Sullivan

what was the live series they was doing on YouTube it was usable when she was singing with her with them plants in the background was that it that sounds familiar I know her came out yeah and they did their song together it was like mad plants in the background she had like

half a half a half down it was tiny desk it was laughing it was her tiny dust it was her tiny Desk, live from Tiny Desk. Oh, you're talking about her tiny desk. Yes. Okay. But it wasn't in the tiny desk setup that they have now. Yeah, it was during a...

Yo, this, I watch this at least once a month. Like, just to, like, you know, you want to just hear some live music and see some... Jasmine Sullivan is on an entirely different level. And she's so beautiful, too. Just full package. Love her. I'm curious what Lucky Day does, like, what direction he goes after algorithm. because they smoked out.

I love that album so much, but it was a very specific sound kind of outside of what Lucky had done prior. I'm curious where he goes sonically from here. Because he did not take a full shift, but it was different. And I am curious what he wants to do next. Are you guys Friday fans?

Yeah, love Friday. I'm interested in seeing what he does next to. Friday, Friday's active too. like he'll put out Lucy's and stuff like I really fuck with Friday I hate the you know I wish he'd lock in and just give us just focus for two years on an album because I think he's capable of putting together an incredible incredible project but he you know he's he moves the way younger artists need to move now yeah you gotta stay active and not to say that it doesn't take away from the quality but if you if you really just lock in and take some time but I don't know do people care outside of like not this podcast for say, but people like us. Do people care that much about albums anymore? I think so. I think so.

Yeah. Like the casual fan. I'm not saying... There's a large group of people like, a huge group of people like us that obsess over bodies of work, but I mean, is that still a... If you love R&B, I think

if you really love R&B music, you absolutely love albums. Like, because R&B is one of those things like, well, you know, when R&B artists used to make the traditional R&B music, the album was like the story. It was a whole like movie that they put together. So I mean, I was raised in that type of R&B.

Like the entire project was dope. Like from top to bottom, every song you loved, every song had its own meaning. And, you know, you just wanted to be a part of that. But now, you know, you got R&B artists that put a song out in January. They'll put a song out. And then they won't put out another song until like, August and you like, your bro, I don't even know what to like, you're going to give us another

single to end of the year and then next year give us the full, like I don't. So it's like now I'm not really attached to a full project because you're not giving me the full project. You're giving me a song here that's see what it does. Then you give me another song five months later. It's like I don't really want to. Where's the album at? Which they need to stop doing too because it's not, that single is not going to be a measure

of how the album is going to do or how people are going to perceive that. the album. I think that if you give us a good album, people care about your albums. If the album is a good, yes. If you give us a good album, people will care about your albums. But if you don't, then that's fine. People won't care. But which you specialize in, people will care about it. If you're a good feature artist, people will always care about your features. They'll run to it. But you have to show us our specialty before we can know what we want from you. Give us the entree. Yeah. But I mean, I don't know, like I guess, for example, an artist like Coco Jones, who puts together great bodies of work.

Do you think the labels in her ears saying focus on singles or focus on take your time like disappear and give us a body of work? I don't think they're saying

like her disappear. I think they're saying focused on the album but why you focus it on the album give us what you whatever you got over there in that lunchbox let me get a piece of that

until dinner's done. But even like to Mall's point too because I feel you that it does suck when someone puts out a single, five months past, single and then the album's next year. Shit, I've done that. a lot of times the label will be like yo chill i know you're ready to go but we need to work

this single's working a little bit let us work it more and then five months past and it's like well my fans are asking for music and like all right we'll give another one then we'll work that single and now you're on a whole year and a half like trajectory of album cycle and it makes it it disconnects from the core fan base at that point because like what's going are you just throwing out records yeah but that's usually the label saying we need to work this record let's get our ROI on this and try to build some type of buzz for the project. That's why you get songs that are two years old that are on albums that come out later. And I skip, like, even on the summer album, like, heart of a woman, I skip that immediately.

Why? I don't want to. We've had it. He's tired of it. Okay. We've had it for months. You know what I'm saying? It's like.

Okay, fair. Good song. With a double disto, I hear you. There's so much more new music on there is. But it's like, I'm not going to live. I've been listening to that for when the heart of a woman come out? A very long, damn near a year ago. Yeah.

No, was the top of this year? We almost at the top of next year. That's what I'm saying. I just feel like I've been listening to Heart of a Woman for months, is all I'm saying. It came out, no. No, it's October, October 2024. Yeah. That's a year.

God damn, more than a year. Very long time ago. Yeah, like, that's what I'm saying. It's like, I don't want to hear that. Yeah, I see a part of it. Good song, but it's like, I'm at Go Girl now. You know what I'm at? Let me get to that.

Like, I'm not really, let me get to 1,800 heartbreak. I'm not really with heartburn no more. But as far as album cycles, I'm looking forward. Hopefully, 2026 we get Siza. I'm just looking at my album list from like 22 of people that didn't put anything out. I know Robert Glasper has put out a bunch. I love Black Radio 4 to come out in 2026. Amber Mark, I love, I hope she puts something out.

Ari Lennox is already putting records out now, so I assume she'll be dropping first or second quarter. She's not on Dreamville anymore. Of 2026. No. Alex Ozzy has been active, but I would love for her and Jack to get back and give us a album in 2020. Hey, please do. Alex, please, please, you and Jack got to get, do give us something. Give us a little six pack or something.

Yeah. And also, we were talking with PJ Morton at the BET Awards. He now owns Stevie Wonder's Farm. Yes. It has a whole set up there. Yeah. And as a bunch of young artists. I'm excited.

just to see what he does with his kind of new, I mean, I want to say label per se that he's starting over there. But, you know, he's doing joint projects with rappers, singers. I'm excited to see what PJ does in 2026. And I'm coming out in 2026. There you go. Hey now. So, you know, hopefully no one comes out.

So it could be just you. I'm going to put out a new Tina Turner project. The same day you drop. Mutina Turner Project I would like a little bit longer of an album from NEO I know she put out Jupiter at the top of this year

but it's only 33 minutes 11 songs I would want something a little bit longer from her I fuck with that project though yeah that project is great shit Mac Ayer's

I always mispronounce his name but Mac is incredible shout out to New York but yeah I know we're dragging the R&B shit I know a lot of our listeners are not R&B heads like they're not

they're listening to yeah fuck they listen to us for. I don't trust nobody that just listen to rap. No, some people just don't want to hear 30 minutes of just R&B. Like, I get it. You got a balance. That's the problem. Your nervous systems is like...

Oh, I mean, I agree. I think... R&B gets some R&B in your app and your diet. R&B will make you appreciate how you listen to hip-hop more, in my opinion. Don't, don't do that. That wasn't that profound. That wasn't that profound. That wasn't that profound. You didn't go deep?

No, it really wasn't. It really wasn't. But if you get into the DNA of R&B, that is mostly what all the hip hop samples that you love. Like you do listen to hip hop differently if you have a love for R&B because that's really what it is post, you know, 95. I saw a clip of Jermaine Dupree and he was talking about the greatest, the greatest group ever is New Edition. And he's absolutely right.

Did he give criteria? I'd never be mad at the tape of New Edition being the greatest group. Every artist that went solo, the album went platinum. Yeah. And when you say that, it's like, you can't argue that. As great as the Jackson, now what Michael did solo, obviously, you know what I'm saying? But does that make them the greatest group? When y'all can all go solo and go platinum?

Well, Bell, would you consider that solo, I mean, solo per se? Yeah. It's the three of the, yeah. I mean, they still broke off from the group is what I'm saying. Yeah. Platinum. Platinum. Wait, his solo album is platinum.

But how long it took for it to go platinum? don't matter. It's platinum. It do. It do better. No, it don't. Tweaker won't platinum, by the way. If you think about it, tweaker and new edition are the same. No, I'm just saying, like, I hear you, but like the Jackson Five, but like the Jackson Five. We're talking about the era where it was album sales, not streams. And of course, the Jackson Five kids, everything, I get that, but you still have to put

boys to men attached a new edition. Like, I mean, I get it. I do get it. I'm just saying, J.D. makes a lot. a lot of sense with that take yeah i mean that's one that i probably wouldn't argue you can argue it but i'm not mad at the take whatsoever i mean i mean just namble what some of your favorite groups like um that would rival i mean but even where jodice's DNA starts with them too like yeah it's tough i'm just saying man he makes a lot of sense And I always, I mean, New Edition is one of my favorite groups ever before J.D. even says this. But when you say the greatest group, you're talking R&B, it's like, damn, you would go to the Jackson 5.

People say that's pop, whatever, whatever. But the greatest group being New Edition, I'm not mad at that. If you go member for member, if there's a pause there, pause it. Yeah. The Jackson 5 versus New Edition doesn't even, like, remote. Like remotely compare. It's different. You got Michael.

We know what Little Michael did. So he like three niggas though. Three. He's about 30 niggas. That's what I'm saying. Michael Jackson is about 30 niggas. But Randy, rest of peace, you know, the brothers that Pat Tito, Jermaine, like all. But they didn't, they solo albums didn't, didn't do it.

Okay, so hear me out. It'd be a good versus we young new edition versus Jackson 5, to be honest. Hear me out. And then there's that part of it. And then there's that part of it. Every member of Destiny's Child has went platinum. I'm just saying. That's what we're saying.

The original Destiny's Child? Or you're talking Michelle Kelly and Beyonce. Michelle Kelly and Beyonce. I mean, okay, I get that. I'm just saying. But to, all right. Michelle's sold album when platinum? Yes.

She did a gospel album, right? Yes. And she's also on Broadway. Killing. Just saying? And not to take anything away from Destiny's Child. If you go through El Bib DeVo, Bobby Brown solo, Ralph Trezvant, Johnny, like it just, it's not close. It's kind of not even.

Yo, listen, Bobby Brown, when he went solo? See, y'all too young. That shit hit, yo, Bobby Brown's solo career, that shit hit like a Adam bomb. That nigga, Bobby Brown was everywhere. Every award show, every billboard. The nigga was in Ghostbusters. Like, this, Bobby Brown was that nigger. I'm not, look, I'm not fighting you.

I was just saying if we bring it. I just, you know, do another in that equation. No, listen, Destiny's Child, obviously, is one of the greatest groups. For sure. I mean, yo, what New Edition did, though, my bell built, when they went, when Bell Bill Bill to vote did they think, it was like, and these niggas rap? It was just like, they could do no wrong.

I don't want to throw what if in, because that doesn't really matter. Let's deal with what's tangible. TLC had contracts been what it was, and unfortunately everything that happened with Left Eye. Like, TLC, I think, would have branched the way New Edition did. and would have went on to be crazy in that regard. Like, their run was just cut short because of bullshit plus, unfortunately, left out passing.

But we're not going to knock new edition because things happen with TLC personally. We love TLC. I know New Edition is older, but New Edition is Wu-Tang. Like, they're Wu-Tang. Yo. And we're talking about from the early 80s. They were children with hits. Early 80s.

Like, go back and just do your history on New Edition. the music. I know we got the show that came out and everybody loved that, but like a lot of people still don't know the music of new edition from the start. Not just when they were young men. I'm talking about when they were little kids. Go back to that and just listen. It's incredible the career that they had. And they're on tour next year. Oh, I would love to see. New Edition, Boys to Men. So you choose a New Edition? I was going to say, are you choosing a new edition over boys to men? As a group, not their solo career. As a group, Boys and Men catalog over New Edition catalog.

Yo, I might have to take new addition. That's tough. I might have to take new addition. As much I love Boys to Men, I might have to take new edition. Because of my age, Boys to Men was a way bigger part of my life. But going back to stuff and I don't know, man. Like, yeah, I think I have to go New Edition. New Edition is it.

I'm telling you. And it's funny, I know Boys to Men would say New Edition. Yeah, we don't get Boys to Men without new edition. Of course not. You know what I'm saying? But I just. like we didn't feel the same way about you know when the guys went solo in the day thing

even though Sean and Juan yeah you know they had some some good solo songs and things like that but when you talk about what Bobby Brown was able to do what Johnny Gill was able to do what Ralph Chesvan was able to like it's just no it's no comparing bro okay so if I if I do just a quick little verses real quick y'all choose for me new edition

can you stand in rain versus boys the men end of the road can you stand the rain but end of the road End of the road is a bigger song I'm taking end of the road but but can you stand

the rain is like come on man I'm taking end of the road End of the road is a bigger song don't get it twisted like boomerang soundtrack what that did

for that soundtrack iconic iconic movie iconic soundtrack legendary record but can you stay in the rain like if you throw end of the road

on in the party we had an R&B party throwing into the road niggas was that shit You thought, can you stand in rain? Niggas is picking up their phones. Like, now I got to call it, dog. I'm tripping.

It's just a different type of feel when you hear Can You Stand the Rain? That's one of those if we were on Drink Champs. I would drink. I don't even know what to pick on that. End of the road is probably one of the biggest songs in R&B history. But Can You Stand in Rain is that shit, though.

There are both songs that everyone know every lyrics. Do you get to the end and start doing that shit? Yeah, I don't know. Juan Ye? Yeah. Nah, man. I don't know. Can you stand the rain? But when Ralph come in on can you stand the rain, like, I think that matches what Johnny came in and said, on a perfect day.

I said, oh, this nigga. I said this nigga Johnny. Because you remember they wasn't Jack and Johnny when he first joined the group. They wasn't fucking one. They was kind of giving them shit like, yo, you're trying to take Bobby spot, just that and the third. When that nigga said, I know that I can count on you. I said, this nigga's in.

Bobby who? Like this thing of Johnny, that was it. Can you stand a rain? I love, I love, I sang End of the Road in fucking grade school, like at a talent show. Yeah. That's definitely a go-to talent show. So I love End of the Road. Can you stand the road?

Can you stand the rain? Can you stand the rain is kind of a talent show record too? Can you stand the rain? Can you stand a rain? Okay, round two. Round two. And they do the choreography to Can you send the rain? You love, you love, what's the movie?

The Best Man Holiday when they do that? By the way, Best Man Holiday is like such a traumatic movie. but I watch it every Christmas. I love that movie. It's on its way to being a Christmas must watch. I think it is already. I said it's a Christmas much watch for me. I don't know.

I don't know. We're not putting it. I mean, it's tough, but that's best man. Best man too is Best Man holiday is definitely on the list of. Best Man might be better than the best man. Don't shoot me. Don't shoot me. Don't shoot me.

Best Man holiday might be better than the best man. I ain't going to. I know why you say that. I'm not really mad at that thing. I see why you say that. why you say that. I'm not mad at that take. I get why you say that. But it's definitely moving in that realm of like

when Christmas coming around, you got to watch the first Die Hard movie. For sure. Gotta watch Home Alone. Okay. Best Man Holiday might be in there. Yeah. And the three you just named are so cryptic in trauma. It's so funny that their holiday movies. Like this happened during

holiday season. Nothing is like really good about these Christmases. All right. Second round. Second round. New edition, if it isn't love. Boys to men, I'll make love to you. I'll make love to you. I'll make love to you. If it is in love.

I'll make love to you. That's the age difference, I think. Yeah. Yeah. If it is in love, why do I feel this way? It's just a different buy. It's a weird version.

Why does she stay on my mind? And then the choreography, they did that shit. Y'all don't even, y'all niggas wasn't outside, man. Y'all wasn't outside. But we did, we did watch Avon. Barksdale teach them the choreography in the TV series. Yeah, but y'all wasn't there, man. When John...

No, that video is iconic. Ralph had the, you pull up the video, John. Ralph had the pants that went into the shoe. I don't think that's a fair versus. I wanted those. It's tough with the two groups because New Edition has more uptempo. Yeah, yeah. And Boys and Men is more ballad based.

Look at that. They don't even teach choreography like that. Boystam and Jodacy is more of verses sonically to me. Yeah. Then new addition in Boys Demand. Well, versus they would be performing, correct? Oh, then it's over. But New Edition wins every round.

What about, no, that's not. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no. They wasn't outside. Look at Ralph Picks. I wanted those. My mom never looked at them. They went inside with the no socks with the loafers.

I wanted to go outside with those. All right. All right. Up tempo crowd pleasers. Round three. Let's do. New edition, Mr. Telephone Man. Yep.

Boys to men, Motown, Philly. Mr. Telephone. Yeah, I would have to go, Mr. Telephone Man, but I love Motown, Philly. I love Motown, Philly. Mr. Telephone Man is like, hello, can I help you please? The telephone man ain't never. Y'all don't even have landlines no more. Wait, I think.

Y'I don't even know what it is to have a landline. Y'all don't know, y'all, y'all don't know. You weren't trying. That was actually a very close to Ralph impression right there. Can you try that one more time and try to sound like Ralph? No, I can't sound like Ralph. Ralph voice is too high. Okay.

And that's another thing. You kind of had it a little bit. That's another thing people don't love. look at that that was whole they whole thing was catered around trying to sound like jackson five yeah for sure ralph was close he wasn't little michael i ain't gonna come on we ain't gonna get crazy no one's saying that he wasn't little michael but he was close he was close candy rain like he was close he was very close i'm ben dennie damn yo you are you are josh you are josh you'd be the most random songs that i that just make yeah just like that's what josh's right yeah i just you i cannot

figure out his music taste whatsoever. I'm Bendin-kney, boys to men. Again, this is a different vibe. New Edition, Cool it now. It's a different vibe. I'll probably take on Bendin-N-N-N-D-N. Yeah, that's not. That's just a weird.

Two different vibes right there. It's tough. New Edition Crucial versus Boys to Men, a song for Mama. New Edition Crucial versus song for Mama. No. You told me everything and everything you get with me. I always keep it inside. You are the driving force.

I'm about to call my mama. Hold on, Doug. Burnby took that flow and ran with it too. Yeah. All right, well, Demaris, you also have to add in solo shit because that versus if you're in a, like, kiss played a bunch of lock shit against FAB. Yeah.

Let's get Bobby in the mix. Yeah. Now, now, let's put some body shit. Let's get into Bobby. I said as a group alone, obviously if you start, if you allow single songs. Like, if you allow solo. I'm saying, if you do Bobby against a Boyst to Men record.

Doesn't have to be solo voice to mess up. But again, that's why I said, to keep it fair, I'm saying just group. It's not fair. That's why we're saying New Edition is it. Yeah. Because poison could be a bunch of Poison Men records. Yeah. That's a fact. I'm just saying, man, JD, he got that one right. When you first hear it, it's like, huh? But then when you start doing, we doing getting into the music, like, really, it's a lot of groups that cannot fuck with New Edition. Okay.

That's why I'm excited that they're going on tour, because I think this is going to help solidify. Like, yo, this is the coldest group ever in R&B. Ever. Like, them niggas had hits. They went decades with hits. Like, they crossed from the 80s to the 90s to the early 2000s, like with hit records. Yeah, though. Now, come on, you don't know, come on Johnny rub you the right way.

My, my, my, my. When that came out, when he went solo with that, it was like, nah, though, these niggas is cheating. I mean, everybody got a bomb. The real verses I wanted to do, which I know sounds laughable, but Young Jackson 5 versus Young New Edition, I think New Edition is hanging. They hang in. They're hanging.

They're hanging. They're winning. Can they hang in? I don't know if they're going to win. Popcorn love. I know. It'll be a good versus. I would pay to see that.

They would hang. Yeah. But once they start getting into them the deep Jackson Five cuts, it's like, yeah, man, just go ahead and leave Little Michael alone. Y'all can't do that. Little Michael was, don't leave him alone. when he got the fro and he put that cowboy hat on

I'll never forget the first time A cowboy hat over a fro crazy as fuck anyway I'll never forget the first time I saw that on TV Like I remember as a little kid seeing Michael Jackson As a little kid Like I understand how kids now that are born A stored like enamid with Michael It's like it's something about him

When you see him on TV as a kid When you just can't stop looking at him Yeah Because kids that are born now Michael Jackson made there what 10 years Probably no longer than that Longer than that He died of 09, right?

Shit, like 16 years. Oh, 9? I don't know why I thought it was 05. You're right. He died 09. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they'll hang.

But I do take back a lot of what I just said. You had a little bit too much dip on that shit, baby. I mean, I want you back as my shit. ABC goes out saying, I'll be there. Like, I don't even know many songs that could beat that. Yeah. Never can say goodbye. Who's loving you?

I want to be where you are. Jackson 5, who's loving you? Who. Nah, that ain't even. I want to be where you. Yeah. Nah. All right, listen.

New edition is allowed. Young new edition is allowed on the stage with them. Yo, I'll say that. For sure. For sure. But when Mike gave us that with the hat, who's loving you in the Ed Sullivan? Bro, listen, man.

Y'all don't even understand what this did in the black household. That? Look at little Michael. Look at him. Mm. What the fuck you just say? Yo. That's how Bruno Mars feel like.

It's Marl. Look, Mall is a namer now. Mall's like 40 years on he's the near. I will never performance is one of the most legendary live performances. I will never forget this. Like, this was crazy. He was perfect.

He was absolutely perfect. That's a different, that's spiritual talent. That's a different type of, you got to be born. You were born. God wanted you. This was a chosen thing.

Yeah. Despite all the work Mike put in, no, some shit just lines up that you were just the chosen one for everything. Yeah. It's different over there. Real different. Yeah, now, Mike went nuts.

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Got the question for the pod. So what was y'all childhood stereotype? Because everybody knew those kids that fit something. Whether it was the Snat Nose Kid, you know, five years old and snotes just running down his nose. Like, come on now, wipe your nose, bro. Then you got the rage crier, the one that huff and puff and puff. and as soon as them tears start rolling, they scream and yell,

and they're ready to fight somebody. Then you got the little girl, you know, that's struggling with them little eight moreets in the head, you know, that type of stuff. Me, I was the cousin that nobody wanted to sleep next to

because I pissed in the bed. I appreciate it. To the point where my family would be like, little boy, go in there and use the bathroom. And if you piss on yourself tonight, I'm being your ass. But anyway, my question is for y'all, what was y'all stereotype?

I mean, I stopped peeing to bed pretty young, pretty early. So that wasn't that. I was never a snotty-nosed kid running around with booggers. It was never that. I don't know. Maybe I was always just, I was real talkative. I was always running my mouth. Okay.

It was loud, maybe. I thought you might have been like the, you know, the chill baby. like his leg up against the wall. Like I feel like your whole life, he was just like, just chilling as a baby like this. Not as a baby. Like that was like around like eight, nine, ten old. Maugh gave me like the flirty baby.

You know the little babies that's always in women's faces? Oh, I was definitely a baby since they're a baby. I got in trouble because I remember, I don't know who it was. One of my mother's friends came in. And she had like this long sun dress on. And like I just kept looking at it and I went under her dress. Like I picked her dress up and like went under her dress. and was like just standing there just like looking at her butt

I'll never forget that And my mother's like I don't know what it was like what caused me It wasn't like a perverted thing It was just I was looking at the dress When she was walking in the house And I remember I just went like this And I went under it And she did that a lot

They do that so much Worried I wasn't the first No My uncles made me do that at I don't have a memory of it They just tell the story My uncle's convinced me to do that At a family member's wedding

To go into somebody's dress To the bribe like at the rest Oh okay Oh your uncles are terrible people Horrible I told you guys about the group chat Yeah, I don't think Yeah, that was it

I was just like the I might have been that If anything I was that It was so funny that he said that Because the moment he started talking Like the moment he mentioned that I started laughing Because me and my dad

We were having a long conversation Yesterday when we were hanging out And he literally were talking about The fact that I was the biter I was the kid that bit Biter I bit a hole through my cousin Shout out to my cousin Daja

I bit a hole through my cousin Dajia's lit When she was a kid She still has the scar as an adult And every time she sees me, she bring up that damn scar. I was a biter. And you know it's so crazy. As an adult, when I get angry, my first instinct, I want to bite people. Granted, because I'm an adult, I have to, like, control that urge.

But when I'm really, really upset or hungry, I want to bite somebody. At your age now, when was the last time that you had that urge to bite somebody in anger? I do that. I wanted to bite you last week. I literally, like, when I get upset, I want to bite people. I bit my boyfriend. I broke skin. Like, I'm a biter.

I bite people. That is great. You know, that's like a problem. I get really angry. They were supposed to take you to the special class when you were a kid. Like, and like. I was like a little bit in Space Camp. Yeah, like biting.

You was a bite at too? I've told this story how I got a kicked out of daycare. I pushed a kid down the steps and bit him. And my mother picked me up, drove me past where my dad worked, just like threatening and scare me, like when he get home. Where did that? Where did you think you learned that from, though? I don't know.

That has to be a learned thing. Like, kids don't just do that. I never. there was never anybody else around that bit. My parents didn't bite me. It was nothing like that. My parents didn't bite me there. The kids say, because I mean, you used to identify the kids that would bite it.

So they had like the silver caps on their teeth. Why is the guy to give veneers? It's just from the years of biting. Yeah. Yeah, like a biter? Yeah, I was a bite. I was the biter kid. Like I bit other kids.

I have cousins. My cousins were like, I had one cousin who was a scratcher. Like she and her nails from a young kid. Her nails used to be so long. and my mother used to always be like, don't fight with her because she was scratched. Like I would come up with scratches on my face when we would play fight or real fight.

She would scratch me. That was my sister's go-to. Really? When we used to fight, she used to scratch the shit out of me. I still got scars on my arm for my sister. Let me and my sister fight when we was kid. My older cousin Mike used to bite the top of my head right here. He a psychopath.

I don't think there's a worse pain on earth to all the youth, because we have a lot of youth that listen to us. If you want to get back at one of your family members with the most excruciating pain of all time. Just lock, like right here. Just put top of your jaw right here, bottom right here. It's the worst pain on all time. Oh, he bitch your soft spot.

Yeah. That's awful. Oh, it hurts so much. And even like as adults sometimes, he would do it just to fuck with me. Like, yo, remember this? Remember this crazy. There's an adult. I'm causing the police, man.

No, first of all, I don't. Fucking around. Yeah, I don't remember that. And the police would like to talk to you downstairs. Like, go outside. You don't fucking bite me. There's no ground, man. It would hurt so.

much. Were you one of them kids that used to flip their eyelids inside out? I never did that. Of course it was peach. He's like that was me. My best friends were wrong. He did that all the time. I never played with shit. Like that shit just like it hurt.

Because they say we get or when like I used to go cross side. My parents used to like yeah, I was going to get stuck like that and it scared me. The kids that were able to do that with their eyelids now can open a beer with their teeth. It's the same person. You know what? One thing I used to hate and like my cousin used to do it to me every time I saw, crack your knuckles. I never understood how kids just be sitting in the class

I still did that my life I still do it I never understood that The sound The sound drives me crazy The feeling drives me crazy When I just went to get a massage Recently

The lady when she was massaged In my feet She pulled and cracked my toes I kicked her at Don't ever fucking What a great feeling Don't ever do that Toes is tough to crack

When you get your toes I crack my toes I crack my toes like When I'm in the crib relaxing But cracking your hands though Think of them all sitting in his crib Toad Because you can just do that shit

yourself like you know what I'm saying like doing this in class because you're like yo what do you don't I hate the song it's bad for you too like it does lead to arthritis and shit like you shouldn't do it and I I do that shit all the time yeah and it's not and I've read your knuckles does lead to that shit but I've read that it's not even your knuckles that's cracking it's just

like air in between your like probably shit that's just like yeah I don't know I was never a fan of that I could find any I know how to do every every last one wait Amara got like a is Amara does she fit into a stereotype

Um, Amara pushes and she started to bite. She doesn't bite me. I'm exempt for some reason of all of her like bad traits. She doesn't do the, she says push when she pushes, which I think is like cute,

but I tell her not, you know to people. Amar's, you ever try disciplining your kid and laugh and say like, don't do that. She's letting you know. Like Amara, don't do that. She's letting you know what's about to happen.

Yeah, she's letting you know. I'm about to push you. like prepare yourself. I should exchange Baby Shark for 48 laws of power. Like, oh, you're telling everyone your next move. Why do people like that book so much?

She's been biting, though, but like not in an aggressive way, but like in a funny way. A little nibble. Yeah. Like with her mom, she'll bite, but not an aggressive way,

though. Well, you must not taste good. She's never tried to buy me. What? Her mom, wrist probably tastes good. Like,

probably don't want to bite. I got the salty one. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. But 48. of power you were asking why people like that book so much. I never understood how people liked that book.

Have you ever read it? Yeah. I've read it before too. It's just manipulation. Like, why do people want to learn how to manipulate people? Well, manipulation gets you very far in life coming from a girl. And being solid get you far in life too. Being solid, don't get you far as manipulation.

Being solid gets you blessings. Manipulation. Well, that's what I want. I don't want what come up manipulation. Send me all a blessing. I was, was it during the press run? I did a podcast where we talked about 40 Laws of Power. And I said the exact same thing that you just said that when I was reading it, I was kind of like turned off by it.

Like this is like, this is bad. Yeah, like when I seen this is like, this is like not positive. I remember going to a girl's house when she had it like on a coffee table and that just was like, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, I was like, what I was asking her, but I knew why I was asking her, but 40, with 48 laws of power, it depends on where you apply. that, well, now I feel bad because when I was bringing 48 laws of power, I was like, oh, I already know all this shit. But with 48 laws of power, it depends on where you apply it, because there's some places that you shouldn't apply manipulation. Granted, we manipulate in every area of our lives. No one is above manipulation, whether you're trying to do it intentionally or not. But I think it was originally, well, maybe it's not originally, but I know a lot of people

use it for business, for negotiation purposes. And that makes sense. You have to be like that. For sure. But a lot of that book is really based on your relationships with people. Yeah, it can be. Yeah, like that shit. It can be put into business for sure. I remember the first time I read that shit. I was like, now I see why I was never as a, like, I never got the way when it was like, oh, 40, it loads of power.

I was just like, I was checking out with that. But it works. I read that shit. I was like, I'm not reading that. It was. Unfortunately, it does work. It studies the, the way that people are and how they react to certain things. And you can make people do what you want them to do and react to do and react to

react the way you want them to react in certain situations if you pay attention to if you master the power of manipulation the art of seduction I read is very well very good as well I read that as a younger woman I'm reading again as an older woman but I haven't read that but I do understand books like 40 laws of power and uh everything that McKevalley wrote is popular in prisons because you're in an environment where manipulation may be survival Or war. Yeah, like I get that in certain environments people are in. But yeah, if you're reading that just to manipulate the people around you, that's a, that's a deeper, darker thing that you need to, like, probably deal with.

But yeah, I forgot what podcast it was, but I had the same thought. I was like, why did everyone love this? This is really dark. I never understood how people love that book. That shit is like, look at people a little different, like, your 40 loans of power. I'll be like, well, I know not to ever. watch that nigga right. Watch it.

Really? You know what's a really good book? 50 laws of power by 50 cent. And it's not really about manipulation. It's just how to move in business and the examples that he used throughout his career. 50 laws of power is a really, really good book that I would suggest people.

I mean, the audio book is great too. It's 50 just talking to you, so it's funny. Oh, now that, okay, that's different. I could definitely sit and listen to 50 just read. No, but it's super important. It's not like, it's a very serious, book. It's really a good business type man. But is 50 talking like how he's talking and raising Canaan? Sometimes it slips in. Yeah. Okay. There's not many books that I will say changed my life,

like self-help books, but the art of science, art and science of respect by Jay Prince changed my life. I remember. Shout to Jazz Fly. Yeah. Rest and peace of Jazz Fly. Just to summarize real quick, a chapter he had where he was like, you know, to reach my goals, I wrote them. down and everything I did from then on or everything I did in my day to day, I had to ask myself the question of, does this contribute to my goal? If not, I needed, I needed to not be doing it. And that was from the moment I opened my eyes to the moment I closed them. Every single move I made, does this contribute to my goals? If not, then I don't need to be doing this. It's a waste of my time, which can be a little intense, right? But some people work well with intense. So I don't know.

I really like that book. It was really good. Okay. No matter how you feel about J. Prince, I do think it's one worth reading. He's sitting right next to us. You're so disrespectful. What'll I do? Not all black people look like, Rory. No, I agree with you, but you and J. Prince look like.

Don't try to jam me up. I heard you, but like, I said what I said. Like, I know, I hear what you're saying. But nah. I'm actually currently reading the book, Rework, which focuses on the, the way in which you're productive, where overworking sometimes can lead to less production. It's called rework. It's really interesting. I just started it. So I can't give a full review, but I've enjoyed it so far.

But it focuses on how you structure your work schedule and that overworking is probably a bad idea when it comes to being productive, more or less. Okay. Oh. Maula, are you currently reading anything? Mm-mm. You should. We should start a book club. I'm currently reading, like I told you guys earlier,

I'm currently reading all about love by Bell Hooks, which is a study of love, but in a intellectual way, not an emotional way. And she talks a lot about how a lot of us idea, a lot of our ideas of love come from what our parents showed us, but a lot of what our parents showed us is, again, care and affection, but not love as a verb. because love and abuse can't coexist.

Love and negligence can't coexist. So it's just a way to re-look at love because a lot of us, we all want it, but it's not studied the way other things that we all want is studied. I would be down to do a podcast like book club with the listeners. Not so much that I would say we have to like do the book club powwows where we all go in a circle and say what it meant to us,

but just to keep everybody honest of chapters that we need to read by this time. I wouldn't be mad at that. Because that's why I like the fitness shit of like, with groups of people. Fuck the camaraderie. Just keep me honest. Yeah.

And competitive. Yeah. So I would be down to do that. Yeah. I just felt like saying that. I don't know. Did you see? Did you know where that's from?

I fell down to rap all of that. It's funny. And I was just dying laughing. I was like, you know, the internet is funny. I thought you were about to say a different word. It's a confusing. No, it's a, this girl did a fool review.

and I want to give her name because she's a creator and she's funny as shit she's also a really good singer she did a full review and she was eating something and she ate it and she was like

yuck but it was funniest y'all got to see her watch it this shit is crazy let me see if I can find it should we do this on Patreon I'm down to do this on Patreon

oh I found Ariana Hubbard shout out to Ariana Hubbard Patreon.com forward slash New Orr and Mall we will be breaking down the term right away. Appreciate you guys. We'll be back soon. We have, oh no, if you're listening this, you just heard De La Soe. No? No. Okay, we have De La Sol this week, which I'm super excited about. It's one of my favorite interviews ever. The legendary De La Sol. You're still listening

at this point in the podcast. We thank you and we have De La Soe So this week. I'm so excited. I will talk to y'all soon. On the Patreon we go. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. This is an I-Heart podcast Guaranteed Human