New Rory & MAL - Episode 428 | Nutcrackers

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

We’re still a bit hungover after our Thanksgiving, but we’re back. Jussie Smollett on Cam Newton’s pod got Rory thinking we’re living in a simulation. Mal thinks Max B should know better than to perform a song he supposedly didn’t want to perform. Rory and Mal debate whether T-Pain had a point about brotherhood in the music industry. Plus, Rory and Mal list their Top 5 Philly rappers, does Rory really think Detroit can hang with NYC, we put each other onto new tv/music, 50 Cent on Good Morning America promoting the new Diddy doc is peak 50, and a voicemail has us taking trips down memory lane with our parents. All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. The volume. Welcome to December. It is the first. First of the month. Yeah. Thank God for Snap benefits.

Listen, man. Demare to meet the clock. Welcome, welcome to December. I cannot believe it's the last month of 2025. Like that whole saying of like when you get older years go for her. And yeah, like I'll be 36 next. year. That like kind of fucks me up. Are you scared? Yeah. Why?

Not what? I'm scared is the wrong word, but. You're not looking forward to it? I don't know. I was fine with 35. You didn't, you didn't do a November dump and say December be nice to me? No, I did not. But I will do New Year and New Me for sure. I'm definitely doing that. December be kind to me. Yeah. Like you only knew the 2025 me. You haven't met the 226. Yeah, neither have you. Um, no, but I'm already internalizing what that person is going to be. Got you. New Year, New Me. Come on. Okay. I don't know.

35 was a lot, but 36, like, now I'm on the other side. Now I'm, like, leaning into my latter 30s. It's not a scary thing. I think the point of life is to age, and I'm happy to age. But I don't know, man. It's a weird thing getting older. Yeah. I have, like, random bruises.

Is that a thing with age? Like, I have just random bruises now. I'm like, where did this bruise come from? Fighting demons. you sleep. You said what baby, D? Fighting demons in your sleep. The random bruiser. I just woke up with a random bruiser. I'm like, how the fuck did I get

a bruise on my knee? You probably bumped your knee around the house and didn't realize. It just didn't even realize just the 35 year old adrenaline. Or he was giving a ghost head, one than others, so I don't know. Oh. That's what you think I was doing? Just on one right knee. I don't have bruises on my knees. I never

get bruises on my knees. First of all. Giving head on one knee is fucking hilarious. Like you're not on two knees You're on one knee You're on one side Like you was leaning more towards one side That was the angle

He was like getting into it There's a national anthem joke That I'm not gonna make Oh my God How was everyone's genocidal holiday? It was great man Had some time to relax and chill Did you go out of town?

No I stayed here I stayed in New York Got you So a family in New York Nice Yeah it was cool though Chill, chill holiday

We gotta make it a thing though Now that we're getting like you say 36th, I'm in my 40s. Like we got to be the ones that like host Thanksgiving now. I know. Like it's at that point where it's like, all right, we got to, it's just, it's up to us, man. If we don't do it, it's like, it's probably not going to happen. Yeah.

Yeah, with Amara, I did, I did two Thanksgivings. We house hopped on thanks, like actually on Thanksgiving, with my godfathers and into my cousin's house, which was great. But then Friday, we did my family and Kia's family where, Kea and I cooked and like hosted and I was exhausted. Like now I understand, like we pulled it audible and had to end up doing that. I feel you, Demaris. Yeah.

Last episode I was like, yo, this is the greatest holiday. No, man, fuck thanks. Shit is awful. Outside of the obvious. You said it's awful? I was so tired after cooking all that shit. I didn't even want to eat. What did you cook?

Everything. Really? Literally everything. That was a terrible Thanksgiving. What did you? Yo. Baby did you cook? I ain't seen.

I wasn't on social. I was so tired. I didn't even, I think, the only thing I posted, my home girl posted my plate and was like, yo, another year in the books and I like reposted her plate. I didn't even get a chance to take any pictures. Damn. I was looking forward to the paprika over the potato salad and the, I put that on my turkey. Pepprica? Yeah. Terrible Thanksgiving for Rory. I was a mix of herbs. And he had a little pap in there too. Okay. A little papoose on the turkey. How did you do your turkey? Because I'm going to tell you if it was nasty or not. How did you do your

turkey in the oven. No shit. There's a start. There's a start. There's a start. He got that far right. There's a start. He got that far right. Yeah, it cooked for a while. Okay. Chicken dries and motherfucking. That bird was in the ash. No, I had the paintbrush with the butter. Like, I did okay. Butter. Yeah, put a little butter in oil. Okay. All right. You might know what you're doing a little bit. I'm not saying it was like the greatest Thanksgiving, but it wasn't bad. How much turkey was left? A good amount that I forgot to bring the soup because I made the soup yesterday. And I wanted to prove to you guys that it was good. Peach, I got you on Wednesday.

I will bring the soup in. Turkey noodle soup in. Apparently, that's the thing. When my DM's like, no, that's the thing, turkey noodle soup. I was like, word? Had no idea. I mean, do you guys not like chicken noodles soup? It's like that, but better.

It's okay. I'm not a big fan, but it's all right. I found out Fat Joe almost killed my cousin over Thanksgiving. That was fun. Okay. Fat Joe almost killed your cousin. Like, he almost hit him. So my cousins were leaving the garden after St. John's had played.

And you know, Fat Joe is like the mayor of the garden. He's going to be no matter who's playing. Does Red Storm Knicks, whatever. Yeah. So I guess Fat Joe was in a car that, you know when someone's trying to lay low? Like you would expect Fat Joe because we know Fat Joe has a lot of money. He would be in the best of cars. But some celebrities just like to lay low.

And I'm going to be in something a little different. I'm not going to say what the car was. But he pulled up when they were leaving the garden. And my cousin, without hesitation, said, car in the shop, Joe? Oh, yeah. He should have got a jacket. Going like this and then just started laughing.

But he was like, nah, he thought about it. Like, he wasn't joking. He was going to kill my cousin. And he was like, yeah, yeah, chill, chill. It's probably getting a ride to the car. I know how that goes sometimes. No, some people just celebrities, you know, it wasn't a bad car.

But it was, you know, you got to lay low. In the city, if he pulls up in a car, fandom. Then everyone's like, yeah, what the fuck? I mean, New York. New York, there's nice cars everywhere, though. You ain't got to lay low in New York. Yeah. But, I mean, it was a chill holiday for the most part. Yeah. Yeah. My pops only said, like, a few inappropriate things.

It was all right. Oh, man. He was supposed to go all the way in, man. This is the year. He got to give it all. There was one that was crazy that I cannot say on the shot. Come on. No. Come on. No. Don't fall victim to malls. Come on. No. Come on. Man. They already canceled, dude. All right. Man. You can say whatever you want to

Yeah, but this, if this community cancels us, then there's no more ad money. Oh, man, we are back sponsored by Boost Mobile. Unlimited talk, text, data, and turkey noodle soup. Mall, you missed our outing on Thursday. You didn't come to the show. What outing? The Leon Thomas show. First of all, you say he was going home.

Rory, stand up for me. That is true. Now's your chance. Yeah, I got tickets, and then I kind of talked her into it. He was supposed to be taking me home. He was driving me home. The entire drive to my house from Manhattan to Brooklyn, he was like, come on, just come. I was like, I want to go home.

Like, I want to go home. I had ordered food. We wouldn't pick up my food. I didn't even get a chance to eat my ramen. So how was it? Leon's amazing. First of all, don't let her gas you. I dropped her home.

I dropped her home and then she came to the show. Rory called me three times before I walked in my door. Like, yo, I got the tickets. I got, wait, wait, wait, hold up. Hold on. Yeah, like, don't let her gas you. He dropped you off at the crib. Yes, I drove her home because I was going to Leoncho.

And I had three passes. I told him I would go with him. By the time he pulled up to my house and he had been begging for fucking 45 minutes, I was like, fine, fuck it, we'll go. Because the person I was in my house was like, I'm down to go. So I was like, fuck it, we'll go. So we went. We went for like an hour, hour and a half.

Listen, man. You can talk about it. I've been a third wheel before, but God damn. I hate New Love so much. New Love is disgusting. You was booed up at the Leon Thomas show. Where else would you be booed up at? No, niggas is fighting at Leon Thomas show.

Y'all ain't. You're just getting it. Niggas is from running into the opposite to R&B. I was fighting love the whole time. I was like, get this beautiful PDA away from me. I hate you guys stare at each other's eyes. We were bad like that. Yes.

I'm sorry. You're not sorry. So don't even say sorry. You're not sorry. We can talk about how Rory, yo, Rory, go in places with Rory. You never notice certain things until you have someone with you because then you're just like more aware.

because I'm so used to the way that Rory is. Like, when Rory walks in space is like, he's just going to walk past the bouncer. He walked into the bar. He walked behind them people fucking bar. They said, sir, can you get out of these? That was an accident, by the way. I know.

How was that an accident? I thought it was the door to go to the back. And it was literally the back. I thought it was like, Leon's manager. Like, yo, come side stage. I thought it was side stage. It was the bar. Oh, okay.

And then I just kept walking because like, once you commit and make a mistake, you just have to live in your truth. Yeah. Like, you can't do the. oh yo my bad like you just got to live there you got to like I was full with Henry Hill Goodfellas I'm doing the whole walk at this point

You got to push a few doors you gotta push a few doors Oh that's locked no I pretend to be a bar back I was like no I'm just getting nice Because I felt so embarrassed I just had to live in that moment I've been seeing some clips from other Leon show online He's playing the drums, guitar It was incredible this nigga's all over the stage

It was incredible He was extremely talented If you're not a Leon Thomas fan Because the person I was with was not a Leon Thomas fan He was like this is one of the few concerts that will make me check out someone's music. Like he's extremely talented. Okay. So shout out to Leon. He did

an amazing job. But it was a cool night. Rory had us taking shots from the bootleggers that were outside of L.I.U. Brooklyn Paramount. What? Yeah. I mean, he was drinking nutcrackers? No, it wasn't the nutcracker. They had shots. Shots? Yes. On the street?

Yes. You drink shots on the street from random people? It was Brooklyn. Oh, yeah. That's regular. We're going to find him dead. They gave that shit to me. They were like, cheer. I was like, yeah, I'm not drinking that shit. Who was these people? No, Brooklyn Nights. Brooklyn Nights.

I think they said they were fans of the show, though, right? Yeah, they were. Okay, well, shout out to y'all. They were, thank you. They were selling liquor outside, like nutcrackers and everything. And they were fans of the show, so they just gave us shots. Oh, okay. I don't think they were trying to drug us.

No, they weren't trying to kill us. They were just in case. They were actually selling jello shots. They were selling a bunch of stuff. I mean, selling jello shots on the street is just crazy. after Leon Thomas show that's not regular. When it's cold out, I agree.

But that's regular summertime shit. Okay. So if you go to Riverbank Park, there's going to be nothing but jello shots being sold on that bridge. Yeah, definitely not drinking that from none of those gentlemen. No.

I mean, hell, no. When you used to drink, you never had a nutcracker uptown? Oh, of course I did. Where it wasn't sealed? No, no, no, no. It was sealed. But I had one bad night

and I never drank a nutcrack again. Yeah, I'm nut crackers. I'm 35. What was one bad? What was the night? Oh, my God. What happened? I woke up.

I drove home. Don't remember driving home. Didn't remember parking. Woke up. My young boy in the block called me like 12 times. He thought I was coming back downstairs. I left the car running. Went upstairs and went to sleep.

He had the parking in the lot. Yeah, it was bad. It was bad. Yeah, never again. Never again. I had two. It was just, I had like maybe three nutcrackers. It was crazy.

Yeah. Three nutcrackers is crazy. Yeah, I went crazy. That would put, you know, me on my eyes. But we was outside from like, 9 p.m. to like 2, 3 in the morning. Yeah. So that's easy.

It's easy to go through three nutcrackers in five hours. That's easy. And if you're not from New York. And the first two probably didn't, you didn't feel shit, took a sip of the third one and everything at you. That was it. Explain to the non-New Yorkers who listen to us what a nutcracker is so they don't know. Nutcrack is death juice.

Do not drink and stay away from it. It's everything that is in your cabin that is almost running on empty. You can just pour it all in one bottle and add fruit pump. I was about to say, add some fruit juice and you got it. You can't have a taste of the 150. Yeah, you don't want that shit, man. Leave that shit alone. Do not drink that.

But yeah, Demaris left us halfway through the show. I went to the after party by myself. You went to the after party? He was outside. Not the actual after party that was in the city. They had a after party in the venue. Upstairs, which was fun and, you know, kicked it with people I knew. What did he perform it?

Brooklyn Paramount, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. How's that venue? It's great. Yeah, it's really, really good. It actually kind of reminds me of in downtown L.A. type venue in New York.

So baby, do you did go to the party? I mean, to the show. I did, but I had to get up in the morning to go to Syracuse that morning. So you went home and cooked. I went to sleep. I went directly to sleep. I was so fucking tired. I was so fucking tired.

I was tired at the show. Nod off. And he was like, we should go home. I'm like, we should. Because I'm about to fall asleep. In the event that you start dating somebody in the summer, don't spend Thanksgiving together. I feel like you're kind of required if you stay together for the next Thanksgiving to spend

together. That's the years of change. So if you meet, if you meet Christmas, around Christmas, and so next year, Thanksgiving, yes. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's almost a year.

You're not going to meet the family in a year? I think she's required to spend Christmas with you. Yeah. With you? You mean yours? No. I don't have anything going on. Oh, okay.

Like, I don't know what you, where was going with that? I've never seen you flustered before. I'm not flustered. I'm just. It's not talking about it. Okay. I'm not flustered about a goddamn thing. But no, I think it's different.

What I've realized with seeing other people, because I have a single mom and then seeing other people with single moms, she gets a little bit different because you don't want to leave, especially men, don't want to leave their mothers on holidays or things like that. That's happened a lot with people that outdated. So you kind of have to decide. Nobody introduced their significant other to their family, Quicken and lesbians.

Oh, no, for sure. Yeah. That's how love you first thing. I feel like the mother comes on the first date. Yeah, lesbians. Table for three. You meet, you meet her girlfriend, like, she just met her three days ago. She's already at the table.

Yeah. They don't give a fuck. No, their first date comes with a you all. Yeah, lesbians. Yeah, lesbians go. They move quick, boy. Like, damn. Like, all right, cool.

I respect it, though. A lot of the lesbians I know are in very long-term relationships. Like, their strategy works of, all right, I like this first date. now we're together for life. Baby D. How can we never see studs complain about cramps? I saw it. I mean.

Why you always got questions about studs? No, I'm just asking. But every time he asked a question, it's profound because I've never heard a stud. Yeah, so I mean, and I was like, that is like, I've never seen the homie stud, like, complain like, damn, my stomach hurt and blake. It was from. Blas got cramps. Never seen it. Because why would they admit that you?

Never heard young ma rap about it. Nothing. Yeah, like, we don't see studs like at work. Like, oh shit, mom cramping. We've just never seen it. In school, never seen it? Like, is it like a thing where they just can, that pain tolerance? I don't know.

No, they don't have higher pain tolerance. But I'm not a stud, so I don't know. Sometimes you put a beanie on it just, you know. Or a fit it. So it's not the pain tolerance, baby, Dee. No. All right. All right.

Fuck it, baby. So is this the same theory of like, I've never met a hoe that was on her period. Like, she was always ready. Is that in the same category? That's different, though. That's actually that makes sense. How come Hulles don't have periods? Well, that's because the majority of them are on some type of period altering birth control.

Okay. Yeah, they put that sponge up there. Yeah, like 40 days, 49th type shit. Yo, I found out about that. It's not the sponge. This year, by the way. I didn't, I knew. It took me 35 years to find out there's a sponge you could put up there and keep fucking.

Yeah, there's also like little rings you can put up there. The little cup? No, they have the diva cups, but you can't really have sex with those. It's like a disc, the little flex disc you can put up there. Yeah, I found out the flex disc. The flex did. Porn stars be on their period. I'm like,

they couldn't just push production a week. You got to do a sponge? We got to get this out tonight. We got to get this. What the fuck? I felt so ignorant. I had no idea that you think this did at all.

But I did see on your IG story, DeMaris, that you was out in the Q streets. Oh, yeah. Searle's kind of fun. Blackout Wednesdays. What is this? Blackout Wednesdays.

If you're from a college, actually it's from anywhere, but if you're from a college town, you know, everyone comes home like for Thanksgiving like we all when you live in a small town everybody goes out and lives and lives their life right but when they come back

it's such a big occasion you see people you haven't seen in fucking years or whatever that have returned home for Thanksgiving so yeah blackout Wednesdays yeah so it's like what do y'all do you go out it's the night before Thanksgiving is the biggest party a night at a year okay I don't think it's a big thing in New York City but in every other places it used to be yeah no when you're younger

that's definitely a thing the Wednesday before Thanksgiving three nutcrackers minimum just go crazy yeah we went out my boy my boy Fats had a party

and he gave me a section and a bottle and me and Al it was just me and my homegirl Allison shout out to Allison I clicked to IG and it would

you click her IG every time you give her a compliment every time I post her it's the same girl literally the same girl consistent it's a consistent man right there

I thought I was being gallant so me and my two best friends went out. And then we got into an argument out of Popeye. I'm being polite. I thought I was being gallant. Yeah. Oh my God.

Rory got new teeth to Maris. Yo, you know what's so fucked up? How you feel about it? Well, first of all, I love them. And shout out to Glendale Dentistry's in Queens. Shout out to Glendale Dentistry in Queens. My guy, Dr. R over there was amazing.

What's his name? Dr. R. Dr. R? just R? Yeah. he's that he's that ill like just even Dr. Oz needs two letters he does he just needs one

okay shout out the doctor R you know the whole thing yeah um but I was kind of like so I got them the Wednesday before I got it on Blackout Wednesday is when I got

uh would it have off that wasn't that funny I just wanted to smile you got you got you the fuck you got a dog

he got a T4 clearance listen man early black Friday TV and a printer All right. Shout out to Dr. R.

I got them at BestBah. But no, they came out great and the process was great. But on Thanksgiving, I was kind of tight. And you're a maniac because you got them before like the day you're supposed to eat. Yeah, it was fine. When I got the attempts with the dentures, that was tough. Like I could barely eat for like two days. But these are fine.

Like after the Novakain shit wore off, I was good to go. Okay. But I went to my godfather's house. That was the first stop on Thanksgiving. 65 people at his house. My godmother is an Italian woman from New Jersey that is one of 12. So yeah, it's a lot going on there. But I love it because there's a bunch of kids and Mark and have a lot of fun.

But the whole time I'm talking, I'm like, nobody is going to be like, yo, your teeth look good? No. No, bro. Regular day. Laura, my god sister was the only one was like, yo, you got new teeth. Talk to 65. people. Nobody fucking noticed.

Nobody cares, man. Nobody cares. But no, they're good, man. I'm happy. That's good. They look good. They look. They definitely, like, look not, like, I didn't get the exo super white teeth. Yeah. I think they look. They don't look like toilet seats in your mouth.

Yo. You don't have a mouth for something. Yeah, you don't have a mouth full of coffee mugs. It's all good. All right. So I've been away from social media the whole holiday break. So y'all got to fill me in what the hell is going on in the industry? The industry?

Who hates who? Who hates who? Who's dropping who? Who's dissing who? Let's hear it. All right. I'm with you. I was off the internet for the most part of the entire holiday.

But I did have to stop what I was doing on Friday while I was cooking. I put an air pod in my ear while I was making the terrible turkey, mashed potatoes, mac and cheese, everything. Because Juicy and Cam Newton did an interview together. Juicy Smuley. Okay. Sat down with Cam Newton. Mm-hmm. If we don't live in a simulation, I don't know what the fuck is going on.

I've been trying to tell you. I don't know if I, okay, because I don't, I don't respect it. I don't appreciate it. I don't admire it. But I am fascinated by Jussie still doubling down on this entire thing. Well, he's still, like he still. He has to. At this point?

He has to. Yeah, but like, the confidence in which he has in the lie that we're all crazy. crazy. His like, all right, the way they studied Aaron Hernandez's brain after he unfortunately killed himself of the causes of CTE and what that does. I need to know the, like, the level of narcissism that has entered Jesse's brain and how somebody gets there. Do we? He might be like higher than Trump, Putin, anyone when it comes to the level of narcissism. Like, it is absolutely fucking insane. I used to laugh at it. Now it's getting to a point where he may harm somebody. Do we think that he can even admit that he was lying at this point? Like, do all of these interviews go away if he says, yeah, I was lying? Or do people still want them on their platform because people are going to click and watch it? Well, he said that he wishes he made it up so he could do that very thing. And we could all just move on.

But, you know, he didn't, even though there's like stuff on, never mind. You know, it's the... Yeah, I don't know how... You don't have to watch any of this. It's two hours. I've never seen two people. You know, I fuck with Cam Newton. I think his platform is great.

I've never seen two people talk for two fucking hours and not say one thing of substance at all. They said nothing for two hours, at all. The only thing Cam was like said that made me laugh was, you, I forgot you was on Mighty Ducks. Yo. For two hours. I forgot he was on Mighty Ducks. Like, I don't know if him and Cam are friends. I don't know.

Of course, I understand that his publicist would want him to go to the most softball shit. But I don't think Cam Newton does like complete. he's not Charlemagne, but he's also not the most softball interview ever. This was like kind of disgusting to watch. Like you didn't even ask a single question. Well, I feel like everything's been at, like, what are the hard hitting questions you're going to ask to Jesse? What more can we ask?

Okay. That's what I'm saying. No, no, no, like. But no, here's my thing. I agree with you if they didn't just put out that documentary that was produced by Jesse, I believe, on Netflix. The amount of cell phone records that they followed those two guys, they did a Fox News special, like, yeah, Jesse, you have not answered to anything that was in that doc.

Like, there's a thousand questions you could ask now. After he did the gale sheet, like, cool, whatever. We could just laugh at it. But a bunch of stuff came out again, and you're just not going to ask him. Yeah. While he's doubling down of being the victim, even though he says he doesn't want to be a victim, but he is the victim. And we all, you know, projected our insecurities on gay men because of this.

look at the facts. We just saw him as a gay man and was like, you know, fuck you. No, I think we did look at the facts and we know it was bullshit when that meatballs and we didn't even think about your sexuality. Yeah, we didn't care about the sexuality, Jesse. The meatball sub made it home after you had a noose and bleach poured all over you. It just didn't make sense to nobody. Like, I think that was it. But I mean, you know, if Jesse's still on this champagne campaign, then, you know, if people want to sit down and talk to him, I guess. I don't I don't know what we can get out of it unless he decides to get to the point where he's like, you know what, I was lying.

Like all of this was... His brain should be studied. Well, Rory said he's really sending music. Is this true? Oh, well, I was going to get to that. Even though I think he's probably one of the most narcissistic human beings that's ever existed on Earth. And listen, he made a mistake. He had a drug problem. Mental health issues.

I can give some grace there for you setting up some bullshit like that to take advantage of a very sensitive time, even though that's insane. I can still give you some grace. She was going through some shit. But to triple down on it. it in the most arrogant, narcissistic way ever, I think he should be in jail. But with that said, his new single breakout is incredible.

The song is fucking great. He got it. You know, just he's talented. He's talented. Then he said, it's small. It's fire. It's a song that make a man love a man. Is that how it starts?

You never heard that? That's an old song. that's a pre-pandemic song. Was that when he said he was a gay Tupac? After that. No, this was his I ain't mad at you. This was Empire when he was on Empire. That was his I ain't madage.

This was when Alicia Keys was his beard. Oh, man. Yeah, I'm not listening to no Jesse records. I'm sorry. I don't know, man. Breakout. Which he explained like the title because I think the album's called breakout as well with a single, but like he's just trying to break out of all the, you know,

barriers and boundaries that we put him in. since he was, you know, jumped by the two MAGA gentlemen in Chicago. Yeah. And zero degree weather at two of him. All right. Well, shout out to Cam Newin, man, for another amazing, uh, that was carrying a nurse and bleach. Yeah. And the meatball submaid at home.

I got you. I did see. But then he tried to say he was, he was cop and coke, too. He was like, see, I wouldn't lie about, I was getting drugs too, but why would I lie about that then? Yeah. You really think we're all stupid. He does.

I keep saying narcissism. But that's why I can't. That's why, like, you really think we're all stupid. And you're looking at us like we're dumb. I can't watch no Jesse interview. I'm done. I don't move past that. They killed me when I said he was lying years ago.

And then it came out that he was lying and nobody told me sorry. So fuck y'all. Well, sorry. That's narcissistic of you to make it about you. Yeah, fuck it. It is what it is. I did see the Max B performance. Max B popped out at Stovegarde show in Manhattan.

And I did see all a debacle online about, you know, him doing the record, performing the record where he, this is Jim. I was going to call you to go to that, by the way. I'm so glad you didn't. Why? You think I would go to a stove god Max B show? What was the stove god show? I think he would go to a stove god show.

Yeah. You're just not going to go because Max B popped out? Yeah. Is there smoke with Max B? No, I love Max. There's too many niggers in the building. Okay. I don't want to be where there's too many men in the building.

Whoa, a Stovgod show. there's going to be a lot of men in the building. Yeah, that's why he should have had, like, if he would have had, like, a female guest pop out, like stove and Max, I'm cool. I'm maxed out. Too many gentlemen. Too many gentlemen.

But I love both of those guys. I love Max. I told you to, uh... You would have preferred, like, stove and Jeney. There you go. You know what I'm saying? Give me the stove bars and then let Jeney kind of heal everybody and calm everybody. I would actually love to hear stove over Jeney, like, type production.

Yeah, yeah, but stove and Max, but I do. I mean, it made sense because, like, we spoke about a few weeks ago when you knew Max was coming home. It was the perfect time because guys like Stovegarde being as high as he is right now is a direct influence of Max being, you know. Oh, yeah, Stove has a lot of Max. The melody rap that Max made, you know, popular with his style. So I think it made sense for them to be on the same show together. But I just, I just, it's just too much.

It's too many gentlemen right now. It's just everybody got to just relax. We need more ladies around. Let the ladies have fun. Well, I know women that are Stove God fans. Let's not do that. A lot of women that are Max B fans for sure. But I mean, I thought about going, if I didn't cook all day,

I probably would have went to the show on Friday. But I wouldn't have went backstage. I hear you there. Like, that would have been a little too aggressive for me. I would have stayed in the balcony area and just enjoy the show. But I did see Max B addressing the situation because he performed a record where he throws shots at gym. And people had something to say about it.

It was like, oh, you know, he's back on that type of time with that energy, just throwing shots at Jim and then Max be addressed and saying he didn't know that Flex was going to play that record saying that he only, he didn't even really know the lyrics. He don't even remember the lyrics. Just that in the third. And I was like, okay, I can kind of understand what Max is saying he caught off guard.

He only agreed to do one or two songs. And then Flex played that record. So I was kind of understanding what Max was saying. Like, Dan, I saw him Flex. But then I saw the footage. And I saw Max two step into the record as he was performing it. And I'm just like, all right, that doesn't say you didn't want to perform that record. And the record they're referencing would be touched in Miami.

Yes, which was a very, very, very, very big Max B record that does address an alleged situation with Jim Jones's wife. And we don't need to get into that. But I hear you, because I saw the apology before I saw the footage. And I was like, all right. Yeah, you can't two step into the song. But you're a performer. You're right. But it's also part of the performance job.

because we've seen guys perform before and their DJ play a record and they'd be like, nah, we're not doing that. Yeah. And they cut it off. We've seen that. I've seen that plenty of times with rappers with singers.

They're like, nah, I'm not doing that tonight. Whatever, whatever, going to another record. I've watched Nas play ether and go, Love JZ. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know. I was so mad at Nass. Love JZ.

Nah, man. Just don't even do either. I don't care if y'all. Love JZ. Yeah, love J-D. You can't perform that record. But what does this mean for Max and Jim's relationship? We obviously, Jim is very firm on him never fucking with Max again and him never being cool with Max again.

Do we think that this further ignites tension? No. Does this, you know... Listen, Matt, I'm not on the side that everyone has to be kumbaya. I think people can dislike each other and just operate and exist in the same space. For sure. It's not beef. I just don't fuck with you.

We're not going to piece it up. but it's not, I'm not wasting my energy and my freedom for this shit. Yeah. I don't think it's going to go anywhere. I'm glad that Max did apologize after, though. Me too. Because I am. I like the fact that he addressed to the apologize and he said he wasn't on that.

But then, like I said, once you see the footage, it's like, all right, it looked like he was on that. It looked like you was enjoying your time up to. And it's, you know, to be fair, Max is probably still, you know, just happy to be home. Happy to be back on stage. Happy to have people, you know, still, you know, showing him love and wanting to take pictures with him and things like that. So he may have been caught up in the moment. And, you know, I'm not going to say that he, his intent was to disrespect Jim on stage that night. You know, things happen.

But I do think that, you know, Max has to understand, like, you know, you got to be very careful because, again, you want to come home. You don't want to, you know, have this negative energy with all this love that you're receiving. and you want to kind of embrace that love and move with love. But then, you know, moments like this unfortunately happened. And then now we're talking about, you know, what does this mean between them? Is it, you know, how does Jim feel? Is he, you know, is he up more upset than he already was? And, you know, it just, it breeds unnecessary energy, unnecessary bullshit.

I mean, I don't know. If you're Jim, because Jim is a great businessman. And I think he understands, too, that Max is, even if he has disdain for Max, this is also a business opportunity to milk as much as you can with your welcome home party for the next month. I'd probably be looking at Flex

crazier than I would be looking at Max. Max is... If Max is my enemy, he's going to do whatever the fuck he's going to do. I'm not expecting much for my enemy as far as grace with anything. I'm not saying Jim Jones and Flex are best friends,

but I'd be looking at Flex a little crazier than I would be looking at Max. Like, that's where I think Jim's energy may be. Because he knows how wild Max is. No matter, even though he's much older and things have changed, he's still Max B at the end of the day. I don't think Jimmy expected a kumbaya release with all the welcome home shit. Yeah.

But Flex, like, that's the record you play. Yeah. We got to, we got to give Flex some backlash for that because it's like, come on, Flex. You know what this can ignite. You know what this cause. flex we're too old to be playing those games can i throw flex can i just throw him a little like a little bell i was about to you as well like we don't know what max could have told flex he'll play

the record that's number one did flex come out in the dresser yet no night because i feel like if if that was the case let's look that up john i feel like he flex would have came out and been like you know first of all max told me to play that right like i feel like flex would do that if he was told to play that record I feel like Flex will keep it 100 and say, yo, they told me to play that record. So I know Flex is a DJ and I know that he knows the history behind that diss song, right? But even when like she touched it in Miami comes on for me,

I don't immediately register it as a disc. I register as one of Max's biggest songs. So like a song can be a disc. Well, it's called Grand Crew. Grand Cru. Okay, sorry. I always call it. Everyone calls it touch of mine.

Yeah. I'm like, that's what it would say. Dot MP4 in my... What 100% is called it. My little iPod touch. I'm sure in Flex's Serato, it's saved his that too. Yeah. So you know the history, but there's a chance that you just threw it on

because it's one of his biggest songs and you didn't even think, oh, fuck, this goes back to the diss. And in the heat of the moment, you just throw on the biggest max. If you've been watching Flex for the last 30 years, Flex is very calculated. Flex is a moment seeker. I don't mean that in a bad way as far as moment seeker, because Flex has. has incredible moments and seeking moments isn't necessarily a bad thing. But we know Flex. Flex is far from dumb. Like he knows what he's doing. Flex knew what he was doing.

Flex knew exactly what he was doing. I don't think he was just like, oh, what about this one. Like he knew the moment he was getting. Oh, what about this one. He knew what he was doing. He knew the reaction was going to get. Flex ain't stupid. Like he knew he, but now, I didn't see the full footage of Max on stage, but he probably was thinking that Max was going to lean all the way into the record and really full outperform the record. And, you know, I'm guessing that's the energy that Flex probably wanted on that stage for whatever reason. So, you know, it's a big moment, you know, hip hop is competitive.

It's supposed to be that, whatever, whatever. But with this situation here, it's totally different because, again, Max is just coming home. He don't need that type of negative energy, you know, with him. You got to move carefully with this type of shit because this is a serious. situation. So yeah, I do think that like Roy said, Flex knows. He knows what he was doing. Flex is not a he's been spending records for a few

years, Demaris. He's been doing this. He's been doing this for a little while. He knows up and coming DJ. Yeah, he knows, Flex knows exactly what he's doing. Yeah, and I just think that that was just a bad call. I think that was a bad move. And, um, but again, shout out the Max for addressing it and I'm trying to clear it up and, you know, making sure that people understand that that wasn't his intent. He's not

trying to, you know, lean into that beef and lean into that energy. Like, he's, you know, focused on a whole different thing now. But it's just unfortunate that it happened because now, you know, that's the only thing everybody's talking about from that. I didn't even hear about how Stove's performance went. All I'm hearing about is this. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So that's the things that happen when you have these type of situations. It takes so much energy and light away from the rest of the evening. Yeah. And, I mean, I did see a lot of Stove Talk over the weekend as well because he put out a single on Friday the day that the show was. I mean, I guess it was more like the core Stovegod fans that didn't like it. Yeah. We've talked about Stovegod in regards that out of Griselda with the talent that he has

with the melodic shit, and I know he's not Griselda per se, but we said that area of music, he could be a superstar. He's not allowed to grow a sound. like it's got it has to he gave for the last three fucking years on every west side gun album he's giving you the grimy shit that you could ever want there's 45 grimy stove god records yeah he can't have fun for a fucking second well i think that you know you're right and and you can't get out of a deal real quick yeah you're right you're absolutely right he can't try to get out of his deal too yeah absolutely right yeah i'm gonna give these records to this deal yeah but i'm not bad

at the record i actually like the record no i don't like the record. I think that, you know, I think people want to hear, you know, stove on that boom bap sound forever because we kind of, you know, we come to love that sound from him. But, I mean, he's still on there. He's still stove on there. The music is just a little different. But he's still talking, he's still talking that shit. So it's like, I don't understand what people are upset about. I thought the record was cool. You know, I'm saying? As long as he still is rapping and he's still talking slick, I'm cool. I don't care about that. I like when you know, you try different things with the music.

You try to change the sound a little bit. I guess people are like, you know, kind of like, damn, he's trying to go all the way, you know, mainstream. He's trying to move his sound all the way mainstream already. I just think that, you know, he's growing as an artist. He obviously had a, you know, big year with the clips with that record. And I think that, you know, he has more eyes and ears on him now. So he just, you know, now he wants to show a little versatility.

And as an artist, I think that, well, as consumers, I think that we should allow artists to do that. We have to allow artists to grow and change and and try different things. You know, if we want to listen to the old boom bat, we can still go listen to it. But this is something new and this is what still want to do. But again, as long as he's still rapping at a certain level, I'm cool. His tone is too great. His melodies are too great to just stay in the same lane forever. Same BPM? Yeah, as much as I love that, I don't, I think he's too talented to stay there. Like even when there's like rap-drappers that I love to death, some of them I do want to just stay in that lane. Like that's where you shine.

To me, Stove is way more special in his versatility. And I think actually some of that holds him back of the type of music that we could get. Like if you give me the fentanyl version of 808s and heartbreaks, I would be fine. Yeah. Like that's how talented I think Stove is and how the tone of his voice is so much different than everyone else is. the way he finds pockets and melodies like, yeah, man, stove. Experiment with everything. We know for a fact, if we get upset,

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Oh, no, it wasn't out during Blackout Wednesdays. I was going to say in the Q streets. I figured like... They would have been going crazy. Usually. Did you feel the way that he was in New York on Friday? Not in Q's? I mean, he was working.

You know, we all got to work sometimes. That's the fact. Yeah. The moment they make it, they leave. Shit is crazy. The moment they make you. So why are you still here? So while I'm still looking at your ass, why you ain't leave?

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Let me not call it a rant. I hate that word. He was talking about Khalid during his club Shay-Shay shoot and saying, more or less, I'm paraphrasing. Callie was my best friend when he needed me for the first three fucking albums. And then after that, when I got a little colder, I don't hear from Callie. I, okay. you know I

Teddy Bender ass is one of my favorite of all time I'm not here to even defend this it's the music industry why would you expect Cala to be your friend I get what you're saying maybe it's because I'm so jaded at this point and we've had a similar conversation

I don't have the expectations of people anymore well I look at it kind of funny if we was sitting in the studio for 10 years straight and we brothers this and that and having fun and then all of a sudden you don't call yeah I think that's corny and And weird. So that's what he said.

But I don't, like, that's what he's saying. I don't expect it. But that's what he's saying, though. Like, if we did all of that, we have all of this history together. We probably had some, you know, heart to heart conversation, spent a lot of time. You know, families probably know each other to an extent. Like, and then all of a sudden, like, I can't get a. All we did was when.

Yeah. I can't get a return phone call. I can't. If I reached out for something, maybe, you know, I wanted you on a record and I couldn't get that from you. I could understand T. Payne's stance of, you know, fuck DJ Callet. But the thing I don't understand is, and I've said it and people kill me for standing, but DJ Calid is obviously very self-serving.

Yeah. And I don't understand how people don't understand or see that by now. Like, he's very self-serving. Sure. Which is fine. You know what I'm saying? Why he's been the businessman that he's been in the music business. Right.

So, I mean, but again, T. Payne probably felt like they were a little closer or a little better than that. And, you know, I mean, it is what it is. If that's what his stance is, if his stance is he's not fucking with Khalid. And I'm sure he has because T-Pain is not somebody that I can remember ever having a real issue with anybody other than AutoTune. I don't want to talk about Khalid's character per se, because I don't really know Khalid as a human being. But when I was at Def Jam, he was an executive. While I was at Def Jam, he was an executive there and an executive at Sony. which was unheard of.

He's also a DJ. Executive and DJs are only working with what's hot at the moment. There is no tie to anything. Khalid actually doesn't, I don't think, gets the credit he deserves

to be the executive that he is. But he has the mind of a DJ and executive. He's only going to fuck with what's hot and pitch it as if their brother. You don't think Leor Cohen's self-serving?

Yeah. Do you don't think Lucien range is self-serving? Yeah. You don't think Kevin Lowe's So I love. That's what I said. Is self, not self-serving, like, as humans in their personal lives.

Like, I'm sure with their families, they're amazing people. Yeah. But business, we're talking about. Yeah. You have to be to be successful. Listen, those companies are net 30, net 60, net 90, not just with paying people, but also with the relationship with that person. Andre 3000.

You're only as funky as your last cut. I don't owe you shit. But you can't say that because you don't know that person relationship. Because music is so emotional and you're pouring. your life into it. Some people rightfully so view it as that. It's not. It's a transaction. No, but you can't. You can't. I don't abide by that. I'm not one of those people. It's not. For some people, it's not. Because you have a lot of artists. I'm not one of those people. I know that. But I'm just saying you have a lot of artists and a lot of producers that work together

that are very close. That are like family. And I feel like, you know, maybe Calid, maybe T. Payne felt like, maybe T. Payne felt like, that was him and Calid. Like, we can go back and look at the history. T. Payne was on every big Calid record when it was We the Best and all of that. Like, it was T. Payne everywhere. I mean, it was Ace Hood everywhere. And now both of these gentlemen have, you know, certain feelings towards DJ Callet. But, I mean, it's looking like they're both in the same boy, and they're right. Like, Calid used them when they was hot.

You know, it was making a lot of records, making big songs together. Then once Bieber sent his vocals back, he was like, fuck Ace Hood. fuck, T-Pain, once you get in future vocals and Beyonce vocals and Rihanna vocals, it's like, I don't need T-Pain no more when I got future. I don't need, you know, Ace Hood when I got Hoves and, you know, verses back, when I got Nause in the studio and I got, you know, so I mean, T-Pain probably felt like, all right, well, I asked for a record, which is probably what he did, and Callie didn't get back to him, didn't respond.

And so now he's like, okay, it's like that. All right, well, then this is how I feel. Fuck you. And T-Pain is not wrong for that because, again, this is the music industry and we know it's business. But through business and through, you know, spending so much time working with certain people, you build a relationship, you build a chemistry, you build a friendship, you build even family. We've seen a lot of people in the industry become family through working with each other. And, you know, sometimes it goes that way. Sometimes it's, you find out this person was just using you.

And I think that's what T-Pain is at. Yeah. I mean, where do you fall on the side of if you're not being. used, you're useless? I mean, yes. Not about T-Pain, by the way. No, no, no. I get what you're saying. Because my problem with this whole thing is Caled is creative enough and T-Pain is a goat.

You could, Caled and T-Pain can make a hit record right now. 100%. But 100%. But, you know, it's, I mean, listen, man, I'm not the biggest Calid. I don't like many of the Calid projects albums. I don't go back to a lot of those. The early ones I definitely like. Well, the early one, yeah.

That's who was on the early one. once. I think good. Hi, 10. So, here we go. What's the one with his son on the cover that is his son, EP's? I love that one. Yeah.

I don't want to mispronounce his son's name, but yeah, I love that. That was probably my last favorite Gallet. Yeah, but I just don't, you know, I get it, man. And it's a tough pill to swallow when you realize that people's only using you because you was hot at the moment. But it's a real thing. And, I mean, I hate to go back to the first point of executive and DJ, like, He's a DJ. Even if you go to Flex, like, yeah, there's probably artists that had two great records in 98 that Flex played all the time.

Does Flex owe them the 2025 record they want to put out? Like, he's a DJ. He just moves on to the next thing. But that's completely different. I'm sure, and I hate to just put Flex in this, even though I'm critical of Flex. I don't want to put something on his character. I'm sure if Flex is called Mike Geronimo brother before. and I love my drive.

Like, I'm just using an example of somebody that had a great record in the 90s. I'm sure Mike has went to Flex after. Like, yo, I got this other record. And Flex was moving on to DMX at that time. Like, like, I'm just playing. I'm just playing other shit. So you could do that. Then I could say, do you think that if Pat Poo's ever went to rest in peace,

K Slay with a record, Slay wouldn't have played it? No, wouldn't have happened. Fair? Wouldn't have happened. I'm trying to think, like, with Clue. not because even Clue when I mean, Rand is probably one of the best rappers of 2025,

24, 23. But I'm sure when Rand was trying to find a record yeah, Clue played a lot of Rand on the radio. No, I think about it. So we know DJs play. But he had invested in. And I don't know Clue and Rand's actual personal relationship. I'm only outside looking in about the entire thing.

Clue had an invested stock into 18 with Hitch and Ransom. So he had a incentive outside of probably loving their music. He wouldn't sign them if he didn't. But he had an incentive to do so. I mean, does Khalid have an incentive outside of Acehood? Is it a different conversation.

But does Caled have an incentive outside of what's popular? I mean, but when it seems like, when it seems like, you know, you have new famous friends and then you forget about your Ocas T. Payne is still famous. And if you forget about your greatest that's ever existed. And you forget about your old famous friends. friends. That's corny to me. I agree with you.

I think it's corny. That's all I'm saying. I'm just viewing it down to what T-Pang said. Brother means nothing to the people in the music industry. If you're a music industry, friends that I like, I don't know things are only old in that way. You can't say that because I don't operate that way, but I don't expect other people to operate that way. And I don't either, but we can't say brother means nothing to people in the music industry because to some people in the music industry, brother does mean something. And I have plenty of examples of brother. in the music industry.

For sure. So that's why, you know, just say, brother don't mean nothing to Calais. It's okay. Nor is Palestine. Yeah, north is Palestine. Like, it's okay. Just say that.

But don't make it a, you know, a music industry thing because we do know the music industry is very cutthroat and it's very fucked up. But we also do know we have a lot of great relationships, great friends, and great family in the music industry as well. All right.

If Cala got super. cold after the second album, do you think T. Payne would be like, yo, let's do a record in 2025? And Payne never got cold to me. I'm just using an example. Do we think T. Payne would do the same thing? No. I don't think so. You think he'd be like, all right, let's call it because we had those first two projects list in 2025, I got you. Yeah, we've seen, we've seen artists do it all the time. Artists that had hot records in the 90s, early 2000s, and then they come back in 2025 and be like,

shit, Nause and Primae about to put out their first album. I mean, weird. No, I'm just saying, but they gave us something in the 90s. Yeah, sure. And they've been teasing an album for years. 15 years, I want to say, maybe more. And now it was finally it. One of them picked up the phone.

One of them picked up the phone that was like, yo, you know what I'm saying? And Nause could have been like, yo, Nass could have, you ain't that hot right now to me. I'm just saying apples and bowling bowls. I'm just saying he could have. I'm just saying he could have. Especially coming up all the hit boy shit, getting this first Grammy. I just don't put Callet and Premier in the same. No, I'm talking about the relationship.

Yeah. I'm talking about people still, you know, holding people to a certain regard, no matter if they're hot, cold, whatever it is. If we made good chemistry together, make good songs, make good music together, I don't care if you're not hot right now. Like, we made some shit together, and we probably still got some shit in the hard drive that we need to go revisit. But, I mean, that speaks to Primm's character, too,

because Prim will, I mean, we'll work with anyone. That's why I think he's a goat outside of all the amazing shit he did. But him and Nas relationship started when Nas was nobody at 19 and gave him New York State of Month. Prim was already on.

Rupolm had been out. Like, Nause was nobody. He was like, yo, I got you. Prim is just a different type of human being in that regard. If he fucks with you, it doesn't matter how popular you are, he'll do it.

So say, fuck, and say brother means nothing to Cali. But cream is an amazing human being. So say brother That I can speak to. I don't know Cali. I know Prim well. Say brother means nothing to Cali.

Don't say to people in the music industry. That's all I'm saying. Do we want to stay just quickly in music? Not that, I mean, this may be more of a Patreon thing. I'm just a rap nerd. Beans put out his list to top five Philly rappers, excluding himself. I was actually curious what your list would be.

Philly rap? Yeah, so this is Beans. Top five, greatest Philly. Without him, of course. Number one, Black Thought. Number two, young Chris, three freeway, four, Meek Mill. five gilly.

Excluding him. Yeah. I would want to hear where y'all put beans on there. I know he excluded him, but y'all should. Beans is number two to me. My list would be Blackthought 1,

Beans 2, Freeway 3, Chris, 4. Actually, I got to stop line. I'm capped. I don't know where to put Eve. I'm capping right now. Beans is number one. I'm not mad at Beans being number one.

Beans is one of my favorite. Like Blackthought is a fucking alien. could probably rap better than 99% of nigs on planet Earth. I would say 100%. But I don't listen to Blackthroat as much as I listen to Bean. Okay, but we're talking about greatest rappers. I listen to Beans. And me and you have had this discussion too.

Just because you listen to something more doesn't make it greater. So greater rappers. I'm still going to. My five I'm sticking with. I'm just, I feel like Eve deserves to be in that five, but I have Black Thought, Beans, Freeway, Chris, Meek. But I want Eve to be somewhere in there. because she deserves to be there.

She does, but if it's five, I don't... Like, I ain't gonna lie. Does Chris rap better than Eve, of course? But I still have to put in, like... Gilly... Look at what Eve has done. Gilly rat better than Eve? Yes.

Okay. I'm not familiar with Gilly's pen. No, Gilly's a great rapper. Yeah, no, Gilly rapes. Gilly's a really, really, really good rapper. He does. He writes better than Eve. Just wonder.

Yeah. Gilly rat's better than Meek. Yeah. But I put Meek there just because of what Mek has accomplished with songs and but Gilly rap better than me For sure I think Mink would probably say that No he does

It's not I mean it's not He does Gilly listen a lot of y'all Met Gilly through podcasting Like Yeah it worked You know what I remember When Gilly

Trying to sign Gilly Yeah it was putting out You know He was dropping joints He was on every fucking DVD Like Gilly definitely Raps better than a lot of people think

And a lot of people really don't know Gilly's you know His bars like that But trust and believe He's definitely one of the illis It was up for Philly And I put some respect Just on Philly

period. I mean, the way people talk about Hove taking young Christmas flow, people would say the same thing about Wayne when everything shifted. It was a Gilly flow. It was definitely a Gilly. I was like, I mean,

Philly said, Gilly said you was wearing soft-toe Reeboks when I met you. See, I wasn't watching DVD. Gilly, Gilly's flow is iconic. The way Wayne, we talk about being so influential, like, there's a gilly flow. Yeah. Like, I'm not on the same.

side that he, you know, ghostwrit everything for Wayne or, I don't even want to get in the weeds of that. But Philly, between Detroit and Philly, I think are probably the two best cities of just straight rapping. Like if you just got, you just got a rap. New York's not in there? Just to rap. Not song. He not to my song wise.

Yeah, I'm just to just bars. Philly and Detroit there, man. That's top two to you? You bugging the fuck out, man. You think Detroit rap better than New York. You crazy's a motherfucker. the fucking. All right, big pun versus Eminem.

And you know, I'm not even a big M fan like that. Why are you snatched big pun? Because I'm doing New York. We're doing New York versus. How did you get it? That was horrible. See, this is what they try to do. That was terrible.

Big pun and Eminem? What kind of matchup is that? We're talking about people that just rap really, we don't think big pun rats really, really, really well? Yes, but I'm saying, pun is not one of the best rappers from New York? All right. So why are you to name Jay Z? Why you didn't name Nas?

I think pun and M have a similar flow than Nas and Eminem or Jay in Eminem. I think pun and Eminem are closer together as far as how they rap. What? Do you know how Jay started rapping? Yeah. Like the fucking double time bullshit. That's not what M does?

Dead in the middle of Italy. Like, I can't even do that shit. That's M to me. That's one rap. That's one part of a rap you're talking about. That wasn't pun style throughout his career. For sure. But I mean, the first album,

he's rapping, rapping. He rapping with Black Thought, actually. No, pun can, no, don't get it twisted. But I just- Matter of fact, I interviewed. Did somebody name a pun? And the first thing when he even got on pun's album was just in Philly, it was like, yo, that's the one in New York that just raps better than everybody. That's why he wanted to get on that shit, because pun was one of those.

I'm not saying pun wasn't. But it's just weird for you to say pun versus Eminem. Like, who's like, Hawaiian. You might be the first person to ever said that. Hawaii Sope defines Jay Z and how his rap style is? No, I'm not saying that. But you might be the first person to ever say big pun or Eminem. You might be the first person to ever say that.

I don't think, you know what's funny. I'm not doubling down. just because I'm fucking hard-headed. I do think that's a very fair comparison if you're doing Detroit versus New York of who raps similar. Pun and M are very close in that regard. All right, I'm taking pun.

Well, I am too, but that's I'm biased. So what you're talking about? So now the golden horse of Detroit is out. So now who you got? I leave New York away from all these conversations because of the bias. Don't do that. Don't do that. No, you said

Detroit and Philly are the best rap cities. That's what you said. Yeah, because in Detroit, you have M. Royce L. Lzai. Legends. Rap is for real. Shit, I'm just having a brain fart.

It's okay. Fart. Yeah. Should I start naming New York? Because I can. Like, if you want me to start naming New York for you, I can. You know, I, you know. Who would you name in New York?

Taking away song making ability. Just rap? Just rap. Taking away songs. Because why I'm making that comparison is, yes, of course, New York freestyle like that. But New York was so focused on making songs from the 90s into 2000s. In Philly and Detroit, it was just rapping. No, hours on end.

Just rapping. Philly is one of my favorite rap cities. You'll never hear me say anything about the spitters. I'm talking about the niggas that really could rap from Philly. Like, it's incredible bars that we can quote. But when you say best rap cities and you go Detroit and Philly and just like, what? I think, I think M. Royce and Elzai is the craziest three when it comes to just rapping. Like, period.

Jay Nazan big They focus more on the song What are you talking about? They focus more on song What are we talking about? Nobody raps better than Jay Naz and Big Nobody on planet

I'm not gonna disagree Because you know where my bias stands On everything So what are we talking about? People gonna give you on y'all ass fighting for M&M to be better than all three of them Y'all do not know

Better than who? Jay Naz are big? Yeah People have got to guys You niggas better Go back and listen to some music Jay Z, Nause, and Biggie are the best record. But I always take J over M in any category.

But I can totally see why someone be like, not M, if you print out a piece of paper, yes, he's rapping better than everybody. That's what I'm talking about. Somebody from L.A. is screaming across the coast right now. About L.A. rappers? No, respect to all the major cities. You know, we can name a bunch of cities, but I'm just saying Rory said... I made the argument in the last 10 years,

and L.A. has been outwrapping everybody. The alley's been out rapping everybody. Yeah, he's had this conversation. Yeah. Easy. But if you're going back to the 90s, like, yeah, is Snoop incredible? Of course, but it doesn't add up to all the rappers that were in New York at that time. You told about rapping.

Every time, yeah, you say Snoop name, I just think about that Snoop and DMX versus. I hate that versus so much. I hate that they did that. That matchup? You didn't hate that match up? Of course I did. I hate it. I really can't believe they did that.

Because DMX said he was molested. that y'all kept dancing. But, so you, he always got to make it weird. That was my takeaway from that. Yeah, I just, I hated that matter. I never think that Snoop and DMX

was supposed to be in a versus against each other. Like that was, I didn't like that matchup, but rest of a piece of the X. To be fair, sorry, who would you have rather matched them up with? Because what I saw that was, I saw that as more of a celebration

than a real versus because who would you put them against? Snoop. Snoop might be easier. Who would you put DMX against? Oh, hmm. I don't know

I would have put X against I would have to think about that because we were recording. I can't really think of it but I just didn't I remember when they announced that I was just like

Snoop versus DMX I just that was just never felt I mean we looking at it we Snoop Dog and the DMX was the dog man I think they tried to lean

they went that way with it but if you took my catalog and you know skill set and it just it wasn't a good matchup. No, for sure. But that's why I said I think some of the verses were more celebrations than. No, that's what it turned out to be. You know what I'm saying?

But I just didn't like, I remember when they announced that I was kind of like, I don't really like that. But I was happy that they gave DMX that platform because a lot of people needed a history lesson on DMX. So that was dope. While we were talking about West Coast rap and we can move on to Kim Kay having autism or something. but um wait what

ignore rory uh why is everyone trying to give game shit listen we we know game has been proven to tell us some tall tales before but him saying he tried to sign kendrick i don't think is as crazy as the outrage

has been i understand that kendrick's bodyguard who used to i guess work with game as well pardon two t's i'm just not familiar because you know i'm 35 from new york but he had said that's bullshit he's lying the first time I think I ever heard Kendrick Lamar was when he was KDOT on a game mixtape. Like I don't think it's crazy that Game may have

in passing said to Top, yo, can I sign this guy? Like the outrage for this is because Game has said way crazy or lies. Yeah. Okay, so bring me up to speed. So Game said that he tried to sign. He's the Kendrick and people are saying that game is lying.

He was doing an interview saying that he tried to sign. Kendrick, he went to Top Dog. Like, you know, because Game in, you know, 05 was brought back to West. and J. Rock was bubbling around 06 and 07. So Top has even said before, him in game have a good relationship. He was suggesting that he kept asking Top Dog if he could sign Kendrick because they were just focused on J.Rot. But he was like, yo, this young guy is hype man, can I sign him? And two T's who worked with game at the time, but I think they have somewhat of a real relationship now is also Kendrick's bodyguard.

And he reactivated his Instagram just to say, yo, he's lying. not try to sign Kendrick. And I'm just more, I guess, weirded out by like all the backlash to game. Like I could totally see game who put KDOT, not Kendrick Lamar, KDOT on a mixtape. What didn't bring that up in passing to top? Like, yo, I don't, yeah, I don't think games line about it. That's very easy to see that. There's way more egregious lie from game with Kendrick when he said that he told Kendrick he

has to change his name from KDOT to Kendr Lamar. But he might have been, he might not be lying about that either. Well, they found an interview. of Kendrick explaining when he changed the name and why he changed it. But who knows? That doesn't mean he'd never, game never told him that. He's just saying when he changed his name. That don't mean game didn't take nothing to him about that.

Just looking in the last two days at this whole outrage, I think it's just because any time you bring up anything that's to do with Kendrick, Drake, whatever, it just becomes a spectacle now. But I was sitting here like, yeah, that makes sense to me. I listen to the Kendrick Lamar EP because I heard him on a game mixtape. Yo, they really don't fuck with Game because he didn't show up to that pop-out. Like, LA has, they have literally distanced themselves from Game and like a lot. But didn't he say that?

Didn't he say that he wasn't invited or something like that? You think Game wasn't invited to that? Not. Well, I mean, game in the, before the pop-out and everything, when the Beast started, game was sitting on his porch. And I respected it. He has a long relationship with both of them and was like, I'm not getting involved with child shit, more or less.

I mean, that's, that's the five-second version of the 20-minute level. long live that he did. Yeah, that's what it was. Which I mean like, okay. You wanted to stay out of it. Yeah. If I have a great relationship with this person, I've known Kendrick since he was fucking 17. Try to sign him. This is, change his name. Told him to change his name. Yeah. Discover, knock,

just happening ding dong ditch. His mother's house was like, you're the next one. I'm sure that's a game story somewhere. Yeah. I understand remaining neutral. Like, I have a great relationship with Drake. This is, this is, y'all, dude. Y'all can do your rap beef shit? Yeah, they're just giving game shit now. That's all this is. Because I could definitely see. I don't think game was invited to the pop-up.

Well, he didn't say that. He just said. No, I'm just my own. But I could, I'm wrong one of the time. You don't think game was invited to the pop-up? No. Why? I just don't.

Game? I think things got so far at that point that. Everybody, anybody ever put out a song in California probably was invited to the pop-up. Game is on the Mount Rushmore of California. And you think he was. Wasn't invited to the pop-out? No, he was invited. And I think he may have said he wasn't, was invited in his,

I think he may have said that. It was a while ago. I can't remember, but I think I remember him saying, like, you know, he just declined or something like that. Like, he wasn't going to go. Well, I mean, AI would never lie to us. No, the game was not invited to teach him all about concert. AI got all the invitations.

That's AI. I don't pay attention to that. Well, I don't even want to get in that bullshit. Yeah, I'm super excited that game and DJ drama are putting out a project. What's the exact date? Can we look that up? The 12th, December 12th, game, DJ drama, gangst the guilt, girls,

I can't, sir, I'm getting used to these teeth. Gangsta gilly? Gangstigil. I'm still, still a little bit of a list. I can't wait for this. Like, 15-year-old Rory, this is a dream come true. Shout out the game, shout out to drama. Yeah.

I think game is going, you know. Game on game? You're going to have some things to address, man. Well, he said, he said, album is coming at the top of the year. So this is just a mixtape. I think Game is going to dis everybody on this. I don't think Game is going to take his opportunity to do against the groves and not dis-literally everybody.

Yeah. I think we may get 500 bars and running. All right. When you say dis-everybody, who are you talking about? Everybody. Who's everybody? Put a name on that bullet hole. The pop out.

Everybody that has something to say by it. You think he's going to diss L.A.? I think he's going to address everybody that has something to say about him not being at that show, for sure. Yeah, Game's not somebody that's going to. to hold back on a dressing thing. Especially on Gangster Grills. I have an album coming out top of the year.

I'm going to dress all this shit on a mixtape right now. Game ain't never ducked. No controversy, no smoke. One of the better battle rappers in hip hop history. Yeah, he's going on. I think he's using this gangster grills to get, because you know, whenever guys go through things like that and they get quiet, and then they pop out with a gangster grills, it's like, all right, fam.

We know what she was doing, like these last 10 months. So like, okay, now you got a gangster girls coming. So yeah, it's safe to say that. I think that a lot of these bars are going to be addressing certain things that happened in the past year, without a doubt. The last game album, he did an eight-minute M&M disc for no reason. They weren't on bad terms. They didn't have back and forth.

He just did it just a light eight minutes on an album about Eminem. You don't think game is about to address everybody on a gangster girls mixed game? No, well, definitely. Definitely. I cannot wait for this shit. And the silence that drama had in our group chat, made me feel like there's some shit on there. Oh no, it definitely is.

No, no, but like... It's game. Of course. It's game. It's drama. Of course. But I think there's some wild shit on there. Nah, I just think it's typical game shit.

Getting some shit off his chest. Addressing the bullshit. I don't think it's going to be nothing that's like too crazy, though. We are talking about J.C.on Taylor. Yeah. I get it. I'm looking forward to it. I mean, anytime game put out new music, I like to hear what he doing.

So shout out the game. Shout out the DJ Drama. One of my favorite rappers. I can't wait for that. Let's get to way more important news. Kim Kardashian's frontal lobe has no activity. There's nobody there. Low activity, asshole.

What does that mean? So in my research, my little Google. My little Google research. It says the low brain activity in the frontal lobe can indicate issues with executive functions like planning, reasoning, impulse control, and motivation. And that can lead to symptoms such as personality changes, difficulty with social judgment, things, etc. etc. Also, motor functions like slow movement, poor handwriting, and is associated with conditions such as ADHD, depression, and frontal lobe disorders. Oh, me and her got the same brain. Oh, well, if it's motor skills, then it's Caitlin Jenner that they need to look into. Frontal lobe. Too soon? Peach, please don't. Leave that in there. Leave it. Leave that in there.

Peace. I'm not cutting. So Kim Kay finds out, she has low brain activity and her frontal lobe. And now the internet is saying they think that this is Kim Kay setting the screen to kind of endorse getting chips implanted into our brains. Look how fast we turn Kim Kay. Kim Kay now saying that she is, you know, she has low activity in frontal lobe. Now people are saying, okay, Kim, we know what this is. You're about to start sponsoring or you're about to be the face of implant chips. Kim can't even Look, Kim can't even have a low

Functioning frontal lobe Without child trying to attach it To her trying to get a bag For some fucking science that's coming down Now a girl from the valley Can't have a low brain activity What the fuck are we talking about? But I mean, I

Well hopefully, you know Do we think that this has anything to do With her not passing the bar? No, because I just explained to y'all Literally what low brain activity In your frontal lobe means and it had nothing to do with intelligence. Nothing to do with them.

Well, look, that's my frontal lobe is not because I didn't even retain. Yeah. You were too impulsive, that's why. It's definitely working. It's here. The third eye is not, it's a little, I need to put some vizine on the third eye.

As some, that's hilarious. Now you're in the street, just seeing somebody just put this on their forehead. Yeah, got to put the vizine right here next time. My bad. As someone that is a conspiracy theory, I don't even know how y'all even jumped to that. But maybe they're right.

because there's been a couple conspiracies that I've been like this is bullshit and ended up being true this could be the path I'm as much as I think Kim Kay is a very accomplished businesswoman she doesn't really influence much in my life I wouldn't go get a brain chip and use code Kim to do it 35% but but do we think people would look at Kim to then start putting chips in their brain no if it was anything beauty related maybe but I don't think people are going to look to put chips in their brains. Where do they put makeup on? Their third eye. That is true. But yeah, I don't. Frontal over here, I think.

I can't see it. I get people trying to attach the Kardashians to all kind of crazy shit. Y'all like to, you know, put the Kardashians in a lot of bullshit. But I don't, I'm not, I'm not correlating this. I think that, you know, she obviously got tested on the show for her frontal lobe. Okay, found out she has low brain activity in her frontal lobe. This episode is sponsored. sponsored by better help.

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I didn't see it yet, and y'all I've been trying to show me this video. I saw like 10 seconds of it. You only need to see one second. Yeah, I saw what he was wearing, and I just cut it off. I couldn't get into it. But shout out to NLEC chopper, though.

I just couldn't get into it. I saw Freddie Gibbs posted this. This is how I saw it to begin with. then I saw the internet killing them I think the video is fire and the song is fire I'm not familiar with the whole young boy diss and even the one he did before

when he had the fake young boy of the video I have no idea what their history is nor do I fucking care but this video is incredible and the song is kind of fire on the low like I would do this TikTok challenge I just can't I don't know

I don't know enough about NLEC chopper I don't know what his what's his thing What is he? Like, what is he, what is he rapping? Is he singing? Is he rap singing? Is it melodic raps?

He's basically Prince. All right, I'm not listening. Baby Dee. What is, what is N. He's a rapper? He's a rapper. But he has his melodic moments, but he is a rapper. Told him that boy, Stahl.

Nah, she put the world on. I mean, I know he was popular before, but until DeMaris says something on Patreon, I don't think he was going to go as viral as he was going to go. I don't care if he's beefing with a young boy. So this is another NBA Young boy. the NBA young boy this? Yeah. How many are we at now?

Yeah, I'm just trying to, I know, I think this is two, three. Two? Okay. But I did try to give him a chance and now he's pretty good. And I know everyone joked on this. The song's really not that bad. So I should check this up. Yeah.

I just saw what he was wearing and I was just like, I don't know. But do you think this is like what the goal of a music video should be at this point? as much as I love and respect artistry and like art and film and cinema the point of a music video is a commercial for your song true

you should be trying to just go viral with funny shit sometimes or just make good music and let that go viral I think it's good but okay I mean like you seriously like it it's not something that I'm

I probably won't never listen to the song again but when I watched the music video I was it all right okay I kind of I don't even understand why people are killing it. It's funny. Like, I get why Freddie Gibbs is probably in his house on Thanksgiving laughing for 20 minutes straight because it's hilarious.

Because Freddie even said he's like, I don't know why I'm laughing. And I felt the same way. I don't know why this is hilarious to me, but it's fucking hilarious. Yeah, I remember him doing like a weird dance move in one of the videos. And I just like, I don't know what he's, it just looked like it was something that I just felt like I shouldn't subscribe to. I don't know. But I'll check it out.

Okay. I see he's trying to give us, was this, uh, his rendition of thriller right here? Or was it just like Ace Ventura Pet Detective? No, he ain't. He's supposed to come out of a rhino's ass? Yeah, I thought that was next. They couldn't get the rhino. They couldn't, they couldn't find a trained rhino.

You think Jim Carrey used the real rhino? It wasn't even a real rhino in the movie. Oh, man. He looked like he having fun, though, man. Fuck it. If nothing else, have a good thing. Tom Crean art, man. Yeah, no, I saw a lot of people on Twitter

saying if this came from another artist, like one that we revere more, they would think this is the most incredible thing ever. And I kind of felt what they were saying. Yeah, if this was missing, we would be like, this is the most incredible. It's a good video. No, it looks great.

Like, the video shot very well. It's hilarious. It looks great. I just got to hear what he's saying. But the video, no, the visually, it looks. Yeah. Like I said, I saw the outfit, and I was just like, I don't know what.

and L.E. Chappas on right now what he's doing? And I kind of just turned it off. But it looks good. Is he in a relationship or something? Isn't he popular because of dating, too? No. Popular because of dating, that's a thing. That's a thing, but not.

That's a thing more than being popular for your music. It's not a crazy statement. Being popular for dating is a thing. Well, while we're on the Put Me On segment, now I'm even nervous because Demaris set the standard so high. Do you have something for a put me on this week? Yes, a new show on Prime Peacock. All her fault.

Dakota Fanning is in it. Jay Ellis is in it. Sarah Snook. Okay. It's about a woman goes to pick up her son who's on a play date with a boy that he goes to school with when she arrives to the house. The mother doesn't know who the lady is. Never heard of her. It doesn't know who her child is.

Never heard of the child. Starts the investigation. Now her and her husband are looking for the son. They start to find out a bunch of deep, dark family secrets. I like it. It's one of those shows that I think everybody, like during the pandemic when we were watching Your Honor. Yeah. And the undoing.

Yeah, undoing, yeah. I feel like this is leaning down the undoing path. I don't know like a who done it, what's going on type of thing. But a lot of heavy hitters, a lot of heavyweights is in the show. So all her fall on Peacock, Amazon Prime Video. That's funny. I was going to watch that because I did hear good things. Yes.

You should definitely watch that, baby, dear. I still have Eddons Peacock logging. So I'll tune in tonight. Yeah, that's your type of, you'll binge it. It's my type of shit. Yeah. All right, since you went TV show, I'll go music. Hales, who I've talked about for years, I think she's incredibly, like, criminally underrated.

Hales, the five EP, five records, is 14 minutes. Throw that shit on when you're in the car. It's absolutely incredible. Like, she's one of my favorite R&B artists by, by far. What's the name of it? Five EP. Okay. by H-A-I-L-E-S.

We worked on some music together as well. I hope she gets the credit that she deserves because she's one of them, in my opinion. Kansas, Peach. She lives in New York now. But yeah, she's from Kansas. She's incredible. I think I, should I even put,

when we were doing 2023 R&B lists, I think I put Good Things Take Time by her at like number two of my favorite album. of that year. She's incredible. I ought to check out hills. Demaris? Mona Leo, and this, most people know who Mona Leo is, so this isn't me trying to put y'all on. This is me trying to put the boys on because I, we talk about female rappers a lot and we tend

to talk about the same ones. But I do want to let you know that there are others, Mona Leo is from Houston. She's really, really good. She has a wide variety of things that she talks about. It's not, I wouldn't consider Mona Leo, specifically. rap. But Mona Leo is really, really good. She's from Houston? Yep. Yes. Oh, yeah, I know that is. She looks for me. I feel like I'm yeah. Ma'all, you should check out a sexy solon, but she, she... sexy who? Sexy salon. It's a, a song she has. Sexy salon, like hair

salon? No. Solon. Oh, Solon. Yes. Okay. I mean, we love Houston women. Yes. Monal She just married Stunner for Vegas. It was a very big, cute pink wedding. That's where I, Yeah. I've known I've seen her face before. All right. Okay. Yes. All right. So, yeah. So are you dating? That's the get off that Don Julio and Gafulio. That's her. But she has so many other songs. And she's really good. She's going on tour at the end of this year, going into the next year. And I think that 2026 is going to be like a huge year for her.

So. Mono Leo. Mono Leo. Yeah. Check her out. I mean, this isn't really putting anyone on. But while we're here talking about TV shows, we're recording this on December 1st, December 2nd, the Puff Netflix documentary comes out tomorrow. That is EP by 50. He's been doing press runs and interviews about it already. He did Good Morning America, too. Yeah, he did, yeah.

Yo, 50. Look what 50 doing good morning, America? I didn't know even know 50 get up that early. He went for this. He didn't go to bed. He threw a suit all. He had a suit on. He had a good suit all.

I think it was a teal suit. It was a color I've never even seen 50 in. Yo, 50 is fucking crazy, man. What do we think we'll get out of this? And by the time everyone hears this, the doc will be out. So again, we're speculating. I don't think we're going to get much out of this. Based off even the trailer and what they talked about with Good Morning America,

where they had footage of puff wanting hand sanitizer after he dapped a fan. I was like, this is what we're doing. I feel like you know you know I love 50 and revere him all that shit he said I think it just speaks to his character I'm like I want hand sanitizers sometimes after I dab somebody I don't know with these documentaries though because I feel like we saw so many documentaries before Puff even went to court yeah no the next day how fast does it take how long how quick can you do a document this is more of an actual doc the way like some of those on Hulu and everything that were like literally the next day are just you know they're they're getting five talking heads that work in media and then they're just piecing together photos and telling the story. This, I think, is supposed to be a real doc. Okay. Well, we'll have to check it out. I don't know what we're going to find out that we don't know already, that we haven't heard,

but 50 was on Good Morning America. I got to watch. He sold me. No, I'm going to watch it. In no way am I a puff supporter by any means, but the gotcha clip that they put on Good Morning America. I was like, all right, is this? necessary. Yeah, but that's why I want to watch it,

because I just want to see. This is the gotcha moment. Yeah. Hand sanitizer. But again, there could be crazy shit in there. But if this is what they're using to sell a documentary, I don't know if we're going to get much information. And it's Netflix, right?

Netflix. All right. Got to check it out. Yo, 50s. He'd be bored sometimes. All right. So put me on Walden University. Don't forget, we are checking out Mona Leo.

I got to see what Mona Leo talking about. Yes. Hales 5. Hells 5 EP. And all her fault on Peacock Prime Video. It's always her fault. It's always her fault. Finally, somebody said it.

I've been waiting for this series. We're going to come, we're going to come back and talk about it after I watch it. But I'm willing to bet it is her fault. It's the mother's fault. That would make sense. I'm willing to bet it's all her fault. Yeah. And you know what?

I bet she takes no accountability. No, no, definitely don't know accountability. No, that's not. They're not taking accountability. Well, yeah, I can't wait to watch that over the week. But let's get to voicemail. You've got mail Sponsed by Boost Mobile Unlimited

Thoughtbacks and You know I'm from New York Big fan of the show I had a question Forlia So basically like somewhat recently

You know Me and my mom's kind of had like Some some don't bonding moments or whatever And I remember like she was getting into Bud When she was older When I was older

She's always been older And She was like y'all want to grow plants. And I'm like, I bet. I had my boy. So my boy came through, blessed it with some plants. To this day, she grows butt.

And whenever she comes to see me, she'll bring me some bud and we smoke together. And I just feel like, that's some real dope shit that, like, I never thought as a kid, like, you know, me and my mom could bond like that. Like, smoking in front of my mother was crazy. So my question to y'all is, you know, what's your favorite bonding moment that y'all had with, like, either one of your parents that y'all remember to this day? Favorite bonding moment? That's a really, really good question. It's a really good question. Damn.

The earliest bonding moment that I can remember with my mom was definitely music. Listening to Michael Jackson. I always, he's off the wall. My mom had a whole bunch of vinals, and I would always grab the off-the-wall album cover. It was something about just Michael Jackson in the suit, you know, standing against a brick wall,

like something about that cover. I remember. always like being drawn to it and then my mother playing thriller and things like that. Like introducing me, I remember my mom introducing me to Michael Jackson at a very young age. What about as an adult? Like what bonding moments can you remember as an adult? We watch a lot of shows together. Not like together, but like we'll

follow shows. Like we'll put each other on to like shows I put my mom on to a lot of shows and just talk about shows and laugh about certain shit that we've seen in the shows. Like, so that's a lot of. That's been kind of cool. Like watching my mom, like, watch some of the shows that I like. And then she'll watch them, like, I ain't like that shit. Like, she called me back. Like, I couldn't finish it.

I ain't like that. I was, like, three episodes in. But that's been pretty cool to, like, watch shows my mom and kind of follow things. And then see the shit that she'd be watching. And I'll be like, what are you? What is this? Like, what am I watching right now? But she always has, like, a show here and there that she like.

And I'm like, okay, that was cool. Succession is her shit. That's incredible. So she'll probably like all her fault. She'll definitely, I think she's watching it now. She's definitely watching all the full. But Succession, she loves, she just loved the way everybody was dressed. Succession.

To the nine. Yeah. She's like, oh my God, they be wearing that shit. I'm like, you're supposed to be following the story. Not really looking at the suits, but I get it. Yeah. And they do have very, very great suits on Succession. Yeah.

Even, what's Shorty's name in Succession? Blankin. The daughter. That's bad. Monoville. No. Except to tip my tongue. Pause.

She has such a cool name. I want to name my kid after her. Oh my God. And I know everyone's screaming at their fucking speaking of her. Shiv. Shiv. Shavon. Shiv.

Her wardrobe was fired through the whole thing, too. Like, she looked good. Yeah. She went crazy. I would say, with my pops, we drove from Miami to Key West for his little. little sister's birthday one year. I must have been like 23 or four. That was a cool drive because

he let me like control the music and like I just got to play my pops a bunch of music I liked and like watch him like the music that I like more as like it being racket more than I don't know if that wrecked. Yeah. Yeah, it was just like a cool bonding moment and then driving back. I mean, I know there's not much detail I can give in those conversations, but yeah, that was like one of those like, oh, my dad is my friend again. Like, or we buried a lot of bullshit that we've had. And yeah, it was probably that Miami to Key West, Key West back to Miami. My mom's sort of similar to.

We got invited to my cousin that past husband got remarried in Hawaii and we went out to the wedding and we weren't really part of that family. So me and my mom just got to kick it for like three, four days. Okay. And just chill. so yeah I don't have like a really cool story because it's more personal but yeah those moments of just like chilling with your parents one-on-one as an adult are exactly he's just laughing at me now I feel insecure he's just so insensitive yo but what I'm trying to pour my heart out me and my pop stopped at the uh

bars that have like the tarpins fish that you could feed like it was a bonding moment and peter just thinks that's fucking hilarious well how would you do y'all remember the moment that y'all like started looking at your parents as just like adults and not your parents You know, mid-20s. That's like a real thing. Yeah, no, when you realize that just two people that happened to. Yeah. But it's also a cool thing because I think it kind of helps you get past.

Yeah, it kind of helps you get past certain shit resentment that you might have towards your parents for whatever happened growing up. When you realized like, oh, my parents was just trying to figure shit out. They were two people that happened. They were teenagers. They was young adults with a kid and just trying to figure shit out. Even finding out a few episodes ago that your dad was in Vietnam. Like that humanized them for me even more based off the stuff that you've told me about your pops. Like it added context to some shit, like what that would be like coming back from Vietnam

and the place that you would be mentally at that point. Like even that humanized your pops more to me. Yeah. And when you realize they're no smarter than us. Just trying to figure it out, man. Give your parents some grace. Oh, for sure, for sure. I don't know.

As a, I'm trying to think what else. me and my dad Thanksgiving ironically we saw the butt fumble in person and no I know like I'm not joking it was a great day because me and my dad

didn't do Thanksgiving him and I just went to the Jets game and like just one on one on a holiday skipped all the family shit it was like a nice fucking time in that regard that was another cool bonding moment for me

and my mom took me to see the Kings of Comedy at Madison Square Garden It was just me and my mom And I had like I was drinking Because they had like waiters With like the trays of champagne Walking around

The garden And my mom grabbed like two And let me have one like I don't think I was I wasn't 21 yet But what year was the Kings of Common The original Kings of Comedy The Lord

Show of MSG That was definitely the early 2000s 2005 maybe Okay so yeah I was I was legal I was over enough to drink Barely legal It's the mall's favorite

Keywords Oh, fuck Oh, 2001, 2001, mom Oh, so yeah, I don't See you'd been 20, right? Yeah, I was 20, so I mean I was, yeah, I was 20 She just knock you a little something Yeah, as I remember that

I remember like the way this was walking around The garden, they had like champagne on the trays And people could just, you could just take one And I remember my mom snatched like two And me, I had some champagne Just me and my mom with two City of Kingscombe That was dope. I remember that night, that was a dope night I know it was a complete left

field ship, but it reminded me of my mom taking me to the Heartbreaker tour. I got in the wildest Mariah Carey argument ever last night. And I think it was, I think these people listened to the show. I was at my man, Denzel's 35th birthday at his crib. And I felt like I was being yelled at by seven Damaris's at one fucking time. Good. I apologize to the Mariah Carey community. I did not know you guys had the stands that you guys have.

I almost like left early from the birthday party because I was just being cursed out by Mariah fans. I almost facetomed Demaris to be like, here's your tribe. I'll add you to the good. I found the tribe to Maris. Yeah. People with common sense.

I love that they still exist. Yeah, but they also, no, they also try to tell me that Mariah Carey is the better vocalist and Beyonce and Jasmine Sullivan and I want to lose my goddamn mind. All right. We're not going to do that. I want to lose my fucking mud. But here's the thing.

This is why I don't fuck a baby D. Because Mariah just put out an album and I ain't here. baby D play it one time. You haven't heard me play mad shit that I listen. Every time I come in here, you got some twerk, torque, torque, twas. You just lie. You just lied, Maul. What's the last all year a liar? When's the last time you heard me play music in here?

The last time you heard me play some music in here was when Cardi's album dropped. That's it. I don't even be playing music. That was three weeks ago. That was not three weeks ago. That was two months ago. Same shit. No, I don't play music in here. Who's counting? Do you like it in Moriah? I haven't listened to it. It's good, but with Mariah is tough. I go through the same thing with Janet. It's like, I appreciate anything. Please stop saying that. It's not.

I'm sure that there's some auto tune on her voice, but AI is something completely different. I'm not even, I'm not even trying to be funny. I think like they AIed Mariah's voice. I know. We talked about that. And I don't agree with you. So we can agree to disagree on that. But if we find out that it was AI, you're going to say sorry? Say sorry to you? I would say I was wrong. I'm using a victim mentality. My feelings are hurt right now. Oh, okay. I don't give a fuck. But I will someone to say that I'm wrong. I'll come. I'm going. I'm going to say that I'm wrong, but sorry. I'm sorry that your feelings were hurt. How's that? I'm sorry that you took what I say. I'm sorry you were offended.

I'm sorry you offended by the things that I said. Yes. I tried that one time. I'm familiar. Yeah. But it did put a lot of things in perspective because I know J. Cole and Mariah are like, that's the Maris is like one and two with everything. And I understand both their fan bases.

They'll try to make you out to be a hater when you love. I love J. and I love Mariah. But I felt like, I felt like a hater when I was arguing with the Mariah stands last. Well, so here,

here's what I'll give you, right? When you do that argument with J. Cole, I'll listen because you're informed on Jay Cole. You're not informed enough on Mariah to even be arguing. He don't even know me. To or against.

You don't know me. I was at the emancipation. He don't know, but you don't know Mimi. No. You don't know what are her fans called? Mimi's. No, lambs.

You see what I'm saying? You really knock down. Are they Greek? Hold on. Hold on. They're called. What are. What?

The lambs. Lambs? Why? The name of Mariah Carey's fan base? Mm-hmm. Lambs? Yeah. Why is it the lambs?

Oh, God. It used to be like a term of it. No, it's like little, like little lamb is like a term of endearment. Like, oh, you know, old people shit. Like, lamb, oh, just don't, all, doll, be a lamb. Like, it's like that. It's like a- Mariah Carey fans are called lambs because the term started as a playful inside joke between her and her friend, Trey Lorenz, where his singing ass.

Be a lamb. Where they'd say, be a lamb. to one another. Okay. Carrie began using the term as a term of endearment for her fans in the early 2000s, and it stuck because they embraced it leading to the creation of the term lambilly. Lambley. Lambley.

Oh, like lambly. The bee is silent. Oh, lamely. Lambley. Okay. For her fan base. Oh, okay. That's cool.

Okay. I didn't know that. You definitely told me some. Mariah may have the worst named fan base of all time. Be a lamb. You don't like that? No, I think I like the term be a lamb. But calling me a lamly?

Like, that's who I like. I'd rather just be a stand. Lammily is the group. Call me Stanley. Yeah, Lammily. Is the group of people. You're my Lammley. I get it, baby, D.

Thank you. I see what Mariah was doing. Anyway, what you're about to go down? What you're about to go do? Me? I'm going to go to the Bryant Park and Winter Village. You're going where? The Bryant Park Winter Village in New York over at Bryant Park.

Winter Village. Yes. That's cute. You're going to do ice skating? No. No, I'm not going to do ice skating. It's kind of fucking cold. I just want to go get like hot chocolate.

I mean, like, the hot chocolate and the hot apple cider because you guys know I'm on my fast so I can't eat from 6 a.m to 6 p.m. And you're about to break fast with a hot chocolate? Not a hot chocolate. The little apples cider. You better get home as soon as you can. Soon as you can, lambly. It's going to be on the lamb.

It's going to be lamb shit all over the scale. You ever see lamb shit? You got to drink that apple cider vinegar after a 12 hour fast. Apple cider vinegar. You think you're going to Brian Park to buy apple cider vinegar. It's the same shit. It got sugar in it.

Yo. Hot apple cider is great though. You do? You like that? Yeah. Hell you. I've had apple, what is it?

Hot apple cider? I had that one time when we went apple picking. I was in like middle school and it tastes like fucking battery acid. I never tried it again. Oh, well,

you had some bad. You had something bad. Well, try cold apple cider, which I love as well. But warm apple cider is incredible. And you could get the kind with a little donut on top the apple cider donut.

It's going to be so good. I'm so excited. No, that's the one. That's a good combo. Maybe, dude, that's some white. That's cheese and wine. That's some white shit you just named baby. I was not expecting you to say a donut on top of.

No, it's a thing. They don't get whiter than that. I know, no, it's a white. It's your culture. Yeah. From the Caucasus mountains. That's what you used to drink. It's that in genocide.

When it was cold, you used to drink hot apple cider. Yeah. And with a donut because it was minus 20 degrees. Yeah. You think we was making donuts in the Caucasus mountains? Oh, man. Just kill him bored. All right.

baby, have fun. Thank you. Don't hurt yourself because we got to come back in this week and work some more. Unfortunately. Don't break your leg. Don't go out there on the skate

rink and try to do a triple axle. Don't play yourself, please. Don't do that. I want to try that before I die. A triple accrued? Yeah. You're going to die soon. No, I know.

Figures can be fun. That's a great sweater, by the way. Thank you. Rory brought me this sweater. He wanted everyone to know. That was me a question. You know white people can't give you a gift without forcing you to say thank you.

And then we call it Indian giving, which is even whiter. Home, what a greatest. Shout out to Tusi. Tusi is stopping his music career and going to Syracuse to play football because that's his hometown. So shout out the Tusi. Okay. 25-year-old rapper Najor. That's his name?

I'm fucking his name. Now Jor. Tusi Granger commits to play football at Syracuse. All right, shout out to Tusi. I ain't bad at it. Great uniform. Follow your dreams, man. It's all good.

These are great pants. Can you plug these? I'm serious. Shout out to vanity. Shout out to my guys, and G, West Coast. This is vanity, man.

They got to send me a pet. You know, only wear shit and people that I support. Yeah, no, those are fire. I really, really like those pants.

Shout out the vanity, man, for the pants. Shout out to Audi that gave me this shirt because my oil change took three hours when it was supposed to take one. They gave you a shirt?

Yeah. They cleaned. They checked the oil with that shirt. It was like, I sat in the Audi waiting room for three hours when it's supposed to be one hour

and they was like, here's a shirt. Sorry. Oh, my God. But I like the cut. It's a good color. I like that color. Yeah, I wasn't even mad.

Like, I was fuming, as you know. Yeah. You've seen me in a TSA line. Yes. How you think I was. At an Audi line? I already know. It was worse.

But then I was like, oh, and it's American apparel. I was like, yo, look at the collab. Good fit. Good fit. Good leg. I like it. All right. All right. All right.

Um, congrats on a new teeth. Eat away. Chew. Chew till you can't know more. Um, and we'll talk to y'all soon. We're going to talk about a Mars first day of 3K in the next episode, by the way. Okay.

We'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. And Rory has a new Hollywood smile. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.