New Rory & MAL - Episode 429 | DebateCast Greatest Peaks

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

No guest this week, but we still wanted to throw an episode your way. No worries, this does not replace tomorrow's ep drop. Anyway, Rory, Mal, and Demaris debate who had the greatest peak in hip-hop between Nelly, 50 Cent, Lil Wayne, and Eminem. Plus, who had the best 3 album run of all-time, and would you rather have an insane peak like Fetty, or a consistent slept on career like Freddie Gibbs? #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. The volume. Yo, Josh, can you do me favor? Can you look up because somebody, DM me, it was like they thought I was lying about my Serena Williams story at All-Star Weekend. Oh, when you guys shared the same birthday? Yeah.

So can you do me favor, Josh? Can you look up when, first look up when the All-Star game was 2001, the exact date? That'd be such a strange lie to. For real. Okay, now look up. When did the? the William's sister Simpson episode air. February 11, 2016.

Smoke that bot in your DMs. People are so still. Like, who would make that up? Yeah. Well, first of all, let's fact check, look up. Mall's celebrity birthday. And then Serena Williams' celebrity birthday. We never fact-checked that.

Yeah, let's go. We never looked into that one. Fact-check. Yeah. Fact-checked Serena Williams' birthday. Yeah. How come Candice's. Sones hasn't done a deep dive into this one.

Yeah, yeah. When was Serena Williams born? What's her birthday? Mallgate. Okay. Oh, you guys have the exact same birth, like the year, too. Yeah, that's what I said. This exact thing.

I thought it was just September 26th. No, the exact same birthday. Yeah, and very similar, you know, paths, childhoods. It was very, I was, my last. You was serving a different type. Yeah, my was serving a different type of boy, eight boys. Bye.

You know what I'm saying? You know what? I'm saying. My last day, play. She was on the clay court. You know how that shit go. She dominated the clay court. Oh, my God. Is Hove know all this knowledge? That's like a quadruple on time? Me and Serena Williams are more alike than we are different though. Like, when you think about it, like, when you really think about it now and I don't think it's I never thought about it before. But now that I think about it, I don't think you guys have anything in common. Oh, man. Except for being at this, uh, all-star game with the same time. Yes. And being born at the same day. On the same day. Do we know the times? No, that's scary. I don't. I don't know. That's scary. I don't even want to do that. I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even attempt to find that. Do you know the time you were born? Should I ask my mom like every year and she tells me, stop? Leave that girl alone? Leave that girl alone.

I asked my mom every year, what time was I born? 6.14 a.m. for me. 6.14 a.m. Yeah. My sister knows. 11.57 at night. He's born 1157 at night. You was almost born the next day? I was, I have Diana Ross's birthday. I almost had Mariah Carey's. So it's like you're the bridge between Diana and Mariah?

We didn't even know. We didn't even know who was sitting in here. Serena, Diana. Yeah. Clay Aiken. Clay Aiken. Oh, no, sorry, Lance Bass. I was confusing my gay singers.

Lance Bass from the bachelor's birthday? Yeah. No, Lance is older than you. No, not the same year. Oh, okay. But like May 4th. Okay, all right. And then I think it's like Chris Brown and Dame Dash or something like that.

I was born at 9.43 a.m. According to my sister. So is she older or you older? She's older. She was born in 942. Yeah, I can tell. So you can tell she gives she gives big sister energy. You can tell she was born in 942.

Yeah, I could tell. I could tell. She gets 42 energy. Like, I can tell this crazy. How can you tell that? She has like nurturing big sister energy. Okay.

All right. Yeah. That's all. And you have like young dumb younger brother. Brotherhood. Yeah, yeah. I got it. For sure.

That's what so. That's what I can tell. Did she ever pull the big sister card on you? Oh, all the time. All the time. What do you guys giggling about? I'm sorry, y'all got to put me somewhere else. Why would Peage look up who has his birthday and is Colonel Sanders or Colonel.

Colonel. Colonel Sanders has Peas's birthday. That makes sense, though. Yeah, I know, but that's how I'm like, I got to give me away from him. Let me see who actually the same day as me, like in year and everything. Does anyone know who YRN lingo is? No. Who's that?

Young rich nigger, I would assume, is the YRM. That's what it's for. All the acronyms I can't keep up. Oh, is that a rapper? Oh, no, he was born in 97. So there was really nobody that's 1990. You were the only person born that day. Literally just me.

Yeah, that was it. You were the only person born that day. I had the day off. We don't know how you made it here. Imagine being the only person born on a day. The year 1008, Henry King of the Franks was born in France. Hey, yo. The King of the what?

I'm just reading on this day. You could have kept that to yourself, though. You could have just read that and like skimed over. King of the Franks. Franks is crazy. King of the Franks is wild. So today I'm wearing, if anybody cares, I'm wearing a fenty underwear.

How is it? And I'm trying to figure out if I like skims of fenty more. Okay. Yeah, so I got to do some sprints. Rihannaverse scimms after we leave his. Like, figure out what. Sprint and skims is funny to me, just in general. No, but I mean, the fenty is not bad.

It's not bad. No, you got to get, like, you know, when you get out of the shower and your body's still a little wet, you got to see which ones is easier to pull on. Don't you hate pulling on your drawers when they, like, fighting against your- Hold on. I mean, I dry off usually.

Baby D want me to be kind of like glossed. Damn. Yeah. She wanted to be dead. A morning due. And put on my underwear. You know when you rush in like, and you like, damn, I'm still kind of, but you got to put it on and ain't hard to pull up. It would definitely be the skims will be easier for sure.

Really? Yeah. The material is different on the skims than it is on the fencing. But we don't give women enough credit for thongs. What do you mean? That that's like an everyday type of underwear for some, like, I could never imagine. just walking around all day with a wedgy. Like, this isn't my appreciation.

I look at you guys like heroes for that. Yeah, because when one of my, my boxer brief legs start to rise up, it's the most uncomfortable thing in the world. Yeah. It's like, wait, women actually, like, in between the cheeks, salute you all. What do you mean? It used to rise up.

Rise where? Like, it starts rolling up. Like, you got a ball hanging out? Wait, no, no, no. But baby deal. It's not that high. It depends. At one time, my life, yeah, the underwear I had was a little old.

and started to get some wear and tear. But now I have draws that will hold. Yeah, you got to replace them. No, I got the long boxer weeks, but like down to here. And some, like, literally when you sit down to here. Not all the way up here, baby, dear. That's not. We never, we never, I don't know.

I don't know how low your balls hang. I was just wondering. How low my, how low your balls hang is crazy. Okay. Real question between skims and fenty. What's more of a ball support? That's just as important as sprinting or getting out of the shower. wet and putting on clothes.

Skims, I think, man. Skims, I have not done the fenty, but skims, I will say, is very supportive. Well, they're great underwear. Yes, they are. In any situation. We are back sponsored by Boost Mobile, Unlimited Talk Text, and Data for $25 a month. Merchers on sale now. Absolutely.

Newroy Mall.com. Dick Dale was also born on my birthday. Who? Dickdale. It's a pretty gay birthday. Lance Bass, King of Franks, Dickendale. Lance Bass is not gay. Why are you putting that on his jacket?

it. No, he's like an icon for the gay community. Is he? Yeah. Lance Bass is gay? When the liberal chimes in and says, no, Lance is super gay. Lance Bass is gay? Who's like mediocre gay, Josh? Yes, Lance Bass. I was, what's the other guy's name? No, no, no, no, the other guys. Rest in peace, Aaron Carter. He said Aaron Carter, Nick Carter. Why did Carter catch us on what you like? No, no, no. What's the other guy's name in, uh, and, and, and, in sync?

Joey. I learned so much about. Josh. The fact that he just named off every full government names. And he might have did it in alphabetical order. And he was like this. Which is nasty.

He knew. I think it's Joey. Joey Fetone is the one. No, Joey Fetone is a greasy Italian from Brooklyn. That's what I'm saying. That's what I was like he's not gay. I'm sure he has some views about gays that he couldn't say publicly.

That's why the group broke up. No, he's a true like Bensonhurst Italian. Yeah, that's what I thought it was. But Lance, you know, yes, Lance is, Lance is he's gay Though he did

open a frank stand Wasn't Joey Faton Did he compete in a Nathan's hot dog eating Contest one year? Well he owns a hot dog chain So I think maybe he was sponsoring

Well no Because only Nathan's He did it I feel like Joey Faton Did the Nathan's A lot of guys Look like Joey Fatone

On the Nathan's Oh that's Probably where you were Confusing Yeah It's like one Asian guy And then a bunch of

Joey Faton Okay Got it That ones Yes Oh that's like Really like Clever

without being without trying too hard It's his last name Yeah Which Josh spelled out for us Joey We say J.C. Shazet

Joe Egoley for Chosey Joege All right Josh Rank them now Give us your top five Jay C has the best

career Lance is Jason Josh Josh Josh He said Lance on base He said Lance on base So you don't hear him

too much He's like He's one in the Commodores He's kind of He's on base He's kind of in the background. He's just the bass, so you don't really hear him that much. But that is funny, though, because Josh is right.

J.C. is probably the best vocalist. Oh, sure. But I think that was always common. Yeah. Justin just had the star quality. I always feel like Jaycee was going to be the biggest star, though. Like when they all went solo, I, I, because Jayce had that one record. What was that one, that one record he had?

It was a slower one. It was kind of like a ballad, I think. It was kind of a slower one. I felt like that was going to really take J.C. to the next level. I checked out after Dirty Pop. That was it. That was it for me.

Once they had chains on the club with N-Sync. What happened to the Insync? Wasn't they, didn't they announce they was going on tour? What? Wait, wasn't that like a whole amount? Justin Timbley doesn't want a award show or something? Why wouldn't Justin Timberlake do the Insinct tour? He'd rather go to Hawaii.

Like, I don't know. You know how much money they were staying to make on an Insync tour like this in 26? I would pay for that ticket. I would definitely. Josh, we know. Josh, we know you buy the meat and green package. They would all hold Josh.

They would hold Josh like this. They would hold Josh like a 30-inch up. Yo, that is crazy, though. As a man, how do you lay across in sync hands and just let them hold you like this? Pay an extra $1,500 for that one. Oh my God.

If they're going on tour, Josh, I will pay for your meat and green ticket. That's fucked up that Justin Sembleek doesn't want to want to tour with Insync though. Is that confirmed? No, I don't want to just put shit on just like on his. his jacket. You have a computer right in front of you, baby.

Why don't you? Looking it up right now, sweetheart. I mean, I don't know. Like, is everyone in shape? Like, I've seen Joey Fetone on impractal jokers. I don't know if he's like in dancing shape. Like, I don't know if the strings can hold him up. Oh, they won't go on tour because their plans will put on hold indefinitely due to Justin Tim Blake's,

oh, recent diagnosis with Lyme disease and his ongoing solo tour commitments. So it's not because he didn't want to do it. I was in tall grass excuse. Yeah. Justin Timblet has Lyme disease and he doesn't want to, you know, doesn't want to. But his can't play with the lime though. No, but he was canceling his own tour dates. Like not before he, like, so he was scheduled to go on tour with them, but he was on his own tour and he had to cancel dates because of a lime disease and.

He got to be wrong in Long Island. He's like, girl, I got to make my show officer. I mean, let me not joke, though, because like we saw with Childers Gambino and like a lot of these artists, aren't lying. They do have health complications. Yeah. So I don't want to. Well, get well sooner, Justin Tim Lake, and hopefully we do get that tour. He probably got lime disease at that DUI stop in Long Island in that tall grass.

Probably. I think you get Lyme disease in the Hamptons. I think that's probably... For sure. That's where all the lime is at. That's where you get Lyme disease in the Hamptons. But I do do want a new additions going on tour. New addition to Insink, better tour. Come on. Bobby, listen.

I'm laying on right now. If Bobby dedicate four months to just getting, just working out and just getting right. That tour's gonna be insane. I'd rather kind of see Fat Bobby do the same choreography. Nah, you got a, Bobby got to be out of breath. Some type of shape to get his soul. When this time to do all of their solo records?

Yeah. But that new edition tour is going to be great because they're going on with Boys to Men. I forgot who else was on that tour. I got to go for Boys to Man, y'all. I got to go. For Boys to Men? Not New Edition? I fuck with New Edition, but I just, I told you.

I prefer. boys to be more. Okay. I'm more of a ballet girl. What month is it in New York? Oh, it's coming up. Wait, Valentine's Day? Oh, my God.

Oh, God, no. We're not outside? No. Oh, so the March 14th one makes sense. You already have Valentine's Day plans? It's going to be so fun at Prudential. For sure. Prudential is always a better show.

Yeah. It was in Jersey, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's too local, but I prefer the potential. It's the better crowd. The New Jersey. the Prudential Center for people who aren't from New Jersey, New York,

is in Newark, New Jersey, which is one hell of a neighborhood. Very, very festive neighborhood. Yeah. And the crowd is different. Like, you go to a show at the Barclays. Yeah, it's in Brooklyn. I know what you guys hear about Brooklyn. But it feels like Manhattan.

It's a bunch of fucking teenage kids. Yeah, the Barclays, a should go to show all game in Barclays. It feels like, man. Yeah. It's not much of a difference to me. Like, I know when they first announced that they was building that, arena, everybody was kind of mad. Because of gentrification?

Yeah. Yeah. You mean the locals that had lived there for years? I'm sure they were upset that they were being moved out of the neighborhood. Just got to go back a few, go back a few blocks. Just go down. Go down Atlantic. Take a left.

Yeah. And just stay in Brownsville. We have some walk-up tenements available for all of you. Don't worry about it. It's all good. Insink or Backstreet Boys. We did this before. In sync.

Insink. I don't think nobody will pick Bash. Yeah, I'm going Insink. Backstree Boys might have sold more records, though. I wouldn't be surprised. Let's see. But me personally just taste, my personal taste. Yeah, they got it right within sync. They worked the kinks out of what Backstreet Boys was.

Because even, like, I don't even know that the leading guy, I can see his face in Backstreet Boys, but even their leading guy wasn't even a household name. It was just the Backstreet Boys. Yeah, the Backstreet Boys had a more successful career overall due to being the best-selling boy band of all time. But they, Insync had a huge peak. They sold, Backstreet Boys sold 130 million records. checks out hard copies they printed that much plastic and syncs sold over 70

damn they sold they did twice and some fat pedophile got all the money damn the backstreet boys did get off the line am I sexual and then all his home boys backed them up and said yeah that would have been like the sickest well that's one of the sickest like moments

in music his sex and then all his crew was like yeah what How y'all know that? How y'all know that, man? How y'all came to that good food? That's supportive friends, though.

Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, instead of the friends that, you know, try to shit on you when you're around women, his crew is just agreeing with everything he says, man. You got to hold your man down with the lie. Don't worry about it. Backs you boys are B2K? B2K.

Baby, do you definitely have B2K posters on your wall? I did. I actually had them hanging from the ceiling. Oh, so you could look up that. So you wanted, like, Omarian. No, not like, fresh to the ceiling. My dad. had did some type of, some type of jig where, like, he had hooks in my ceiling and he punched

holes in the posters, the big word up magazine posters. He punched holes at the top and then looped string. So the poster, like, I had a bow-wow poster, a B-2, and multiple of the B-2K guys, and they were, like, hanging down. So it was like, yeah, like, hanging from the rafters almost, in my bedroom, yep. But baby, that's why, because when we moved out of Bawaw-W on, you didn't tell Bow while you had him hanging from your shoulder i would never do that why because why why would i do that i'm sure he assumed that he would be right to assume that i would tell bough a poster in my room it came beware the dog see i'm glad you didn't tell him that yeah yeah i know baby d could have told bow that she

had him hanged from the store it wasn't just it wasn't just shad in a white wall like i mean there was a bunch of posters he was just one because you know they came with the cd i would tell brittney spares that i had him in my locker well that's okay for actually don't do that why uh-uh brittany I mean, how would it come up in conversation? I would just tell Britney Spears that I had a poster of her in my lock when I was in high school. It's kind of like what you told Serena. Like, I just feel like they don't need to know that. You don't think that.

No, Serena appreciated it. It was just bad timing. Uh-huh. Because she was on the Simpsons. That's like life. Like, that's like being cemented in history on the same. Okay, fair. What other posters did you have on your wall?

I just had Jordan. I never did too many, like, rap posters. Okay. Hallie? No, I didn't have Hallie Barry on my wall. I had a magazine that I think she was on the cover of, and that was like just always like on my dresser. Like I would just look at that magazine.

Next to the lotion. I mean, come on now. Demaris is not going to believe this, but I had Mariah Carey on my wall when she had the jean shorts on and she like cut the top of them. I think it came with the Hardbreaker CD. But I had Mariah on my wall for a long time. I had a lot of the same.

I had a lot of the slam magazine posters. I had a foldout JZ Reebok poster that said I got my MBA from Marcy Projects. Was that when you put the S. Dot card? I also had a game, remember the hurricane sneaker? Yes. I had a game promotional hurricane poster on my wall at one point.

I had a lot of nasty posters, though, man. Do people still put posters on their wall? Kids? I don't know. They'd be having grass walls now with neon signs on. I don't know. Like, my son not hanging Kai, not on his wall. We ain't doing that. Why? Kyle should sell posters. Kai should definitely sell posters. No, they don't have, they have the, uh, the big head, uh,

there's, like the, the big wall. Fat heads. Fat heads. Is that what the school? Yeah. Like, those are crazy. I wish I had that grown up. Like having a life size Jordan on my wall growing up would have been crazy. I think was it East Bay magazine? What magazine used to sell? They weren't the fat heads, but it was like the cutout things when I was a kid of sports player. Like real size. Like, you could get, uh, Dante Colpeper at like the same height. that you could like stick on your wall. That's not, that wasn't a fat head? I don't think they were called that yet.

Fat heads are like really big heads. Like fat heads are like, like Joe Fetone. No, it's like, it's like a cutout of your head, but it's bigger than your actual head. Like it's like really big. These were just like real cutouts of athletes, I think, at the time. I can't remember, but yeah.

We reminiscing. We hate being adults. No, it's just interesting to see how like kids in high school, like how they kind of like show their fandom now. Well, I mean, to the matter's point, like everything, their version of prom isn't like ours and their rooms are not like ours. They have like up-to-date tech shit, like real neon. Even though I did have a light up green clock that I won at the Jersey Shore,

that was neon. That I would only turn on for special occasions because I didn't know neon things could last that long. You thought the neon was going to round? Yeah, I was like, I can't get this replaced. So, you know, you had a lot of land. I had a lot. I was just, you took the word. my mouth.

I had a lot of lamp. So badly, but my mom equated that with being a pothead. I was like, I wasn't even smoking weed at that time. I thought you were about saying being gay. Because that's what I would do. My son had a lava lamp. Wait, how was lava lamp and gay? No, lava lamps weren't gay back then.

That was like, that was definitely, it was a pothead thing. I'm not surprised she thought that. Lava lamps weren't, no, they were like cool. They weren't gay. I had a lot. Your brother had a lava lamp and he was gay? there's an honest man right there I knew it.

We're not suggesting that gay people didn't have lava lamps. No, I'm saying it's gay to have a lava lamp. That's what I'm saying? I'm not saying gay people don't have lava. I'm saying it's gay to have a lava lamp. That's all. But what if you're like a hippie.

Like hippies. That's what I think of. I think of hippies when I think of lava lamps. Hippies are like, they are fluid. They don't give a fuck who they have sex with. They all about love. Yeah, it's all about love. Listen, man, you need to me to jerk you off tonight.

Come on, man. Come on over around. I didn't see that in the Woodstock, Doc. Yeah, no, that's the one they don't show you. They'll never show you that one. They'll never show you the gay sex they had at Woodstock. 98 degrees or Aaron Carter. That's kind of tough.

It's very tough. Out of my wheelhouse, I can't answer. Aaron Carter has some joints. Remember when he beat Shack in one-on-one? That was a true story. That video was a doc. I don't know. I might go 98 degrees.

Nick Lashet could kind of sing on the low. No, he can. Now he just turned, like now he's a CIA. Once you get that TV money, you never go back to the booth. It's over there. He's a Pentagon agenda to ruin the youth in dating. Well, this is disgusting. I think it's time to upgrade.

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So some interesting names up here. very successful artists, very successful careers, but we're talking about the greatest peak. Peak, yes. And let's look up the definition of peak. Please look up the definition of peak, Rory. And also where, before we start, is a peak, is that like a year?

What do we call it a peak? It could be two or three years your peak. Okay. You could be like two or three years. I feel like like two years. I feel like once you hit three, that's kind of like three is a rap career. Three years are top as a rap career. You're a legend now.

Yeah, like, put you in the rock and roll hall of thing. Yeah, if you have three great years, like in a row, like, you're, like, you're cemented somewhere in history. Like, he was incredible. He or she was incredible. All right, so dictionary.com doesn't have a time frame, but reach your highest point either as a value or a specific time. Yeah. So, all right, we can speculate with the years. But what we wrote down off Mike just off the top of our heads, Nelly, 50, Eminem, Drake, and Wayne, as far as who had the big. peak.

Nelly went diamond with physical copies. Yes. Now, did 50M, Drake, and Wayne have longer runs than Nelly? Yes. Sure. Well, 50 and Nelly were close as far as music runs, but I'm kind of, I'm with Nelly, 50, and M&M as my debate in my head out the gate. Of greatest peak.

Yes. Because I think M from Marshall Matters, M&M show 8 Mile time, I think M was at the hot, like... Why you don't got Jay on this list? What would you even consider Jay's peak? Because I hate that conversation when people say Jay was never the number one rapper of any year. And I'm like, okay, so? He's had a

dominant 20-year career. But what did they mean by that when he was never the number one? Like, I guess never... They were on my album sales? Probably. Stats. I don't know. But I've seen that argument and I get it. Yeah, there's years where but no matter what,

if you're number two for 20 years, like it's a pretty good fucking career. Nellie, though, I don't know. It kind of goes back and forth between 50 and dominating the world at that time. Could you escape G-unit from 2004 to 2007? You had Kanye in there, you had Nellie in there, you had M, you had, like,

there was a lot of shit going on, but could you escape anything G-unit? Anything 50 did in those years went platinum. Like, I love Yale. But if you put Yale in another system, I don't know if he's immediately going gold first week. You put out give or try and then beg for mercy right in the same year, then wait and give game seven hits,

then put out buck that goes platinum, banks goes platinum, Yale goes gold. I don't, we're like, I still equate that to 50 cent in some degree. But then you can also give M that credit because M, I feel like, was at his peak and then gave us 50 cents. Yeah. So. I mean, Jay said only dudes moving units and pimp juicing us. So.

I don't know, man. Y'all got to go back and look at the numbers that Jay was doing first week back then, man. Were they? He was doing a million. Is there, is there a better back-to-back country grammar to Nelliville versus get rich to massacre? that would I think that would define it in my opinion who sold more there do you guys want hear what chat gpt said are we wait are we adding jZ into this or are we just doing i don't think i also like not even really want to add drake into this because yes Drake has had a peak per se

but he's kind of just been dominating for 15 years like i don't know if there was a peak per se i wouldn't even be able to like point out drake's peak i don't think that's i don't say because i don't really think he has one. What's his peak? You could talk about his- You have to have a peak? Exactly. Yeah. You could also because, that's very important, right?

That's where I can't really put like Drake and Jay in this. People, you have to have a fall off to have a peak. People could say, or people would say, it's been said before, about as far as like the quality, they can say that Drake has reached a peak quality-wise, right? Sure, but that's the bad. The people say that about plenty of artists, right? So they've said that his best album was years. years before, whatever. But numbers

wise, no, because I think he continues to sell more and more. Even what I think is his best music sold less than what I think is his worst music. So that's where I don't know, I kind of want to leave Drake out of this conversation per se

because it's tough. Jay as well. But then also in the same point, like either way there is a peak for Drake and Hove. We would just have to find it based off album sales, I guess. But neither of them had a like fall off the way that's my brother we've kind of like which is fucked up to say because i think nelly 50 and m and wayne are all legends in their own right but you can clearly see a fall off

but now we're moving the goalpost because m&m still outsells everybody every time he comes out even if we don't like the albums has m ever fallen off emm yes yes what are we talking about musically subject that's subjectively we already know how i even feel about that but what did Makazzi sell. It fucking probably went diamond. Every time M goes and releases a project, it's, yeah, though, if

selling 450K is in one week is falling off, I don't know what the fuck falling off is. Now, 50, I don't think he fell off. He just chose to go different directions with his career and didn't focus on music. But there

was clearly a musical falloff when you get to the animal ambition or what, before I self instruct years. Curtis, I think, was the beginning of, not a fall, but his focus of music. Nelly, after you did it was a sweet and salty, sweet suit. What's this double-out suit? Sweetsuit.

Sweet and salty is great. Are you hungry? I couldn't remember the name of the double-outle-old. I could see the album cover of my head. Are you pregnant? What's wrong? Sweet and salty. First of all, if I was, it's my choice.

Yes, that's the fact. That is a fact. So yeah, there was a fall off there. So that's where I'm more focused on Nellie and 50 cent. And I think 50 just because he dominated everything else had the highest peak that I've seen in rap. Wayne did musically. I mean, you couldn't escape Wayne from, shit, 07 to 2011. Could you escape Wayne?

But again, that was four years. And that was of dominance, though. 15 years ago. That's dominance. But the year doesn't matter. What you mean? If you say it was 15 years ago,

that doesn't, like, it doesn't matter. No, no, that's still, that was, if we're saying just peak,

then yeah, that was, that was his peak. But when you think about it, it's like, damn, that was 15 years ago that we talked about this peak

that arguably one of the greatest rappers had. Like, just think about that. 15 years ago that one of the greatest rappers had their peak. You know how many,

like, new kids are walking around that, probably was like four, five when Wayne had his peak. Like, I haven't probably understood, probably 05 to 2011, 2012, Wayne nominated. O7, I think, would probably be his biggest year when he did all those features and a million.

Well, so then let's talk about that's a peak. So Chad GBT is saying Wayne's peak is 2007 to 2009. Okay. I'll go with that because off the top of my head, 07, if I remember correctly, was like the biggest Wayne year. So we'll go Wayne 07. 07. It's a 07 07.

50 cent 03 to 05 Okay M&M 2000 to 2004 Okay Drake 2015 and present Wait

And then Saying present is criss Also 2015 What Nah they gotta go Yeah Drake was Drake was fucking shit up in 2011

2011 2011 Well no it's not about him fucking shit up We're talking about him being As high as he is now And continuing that on So reaching his height Yeah reaching his height

Take Drake out of this 2015 to present. Like, I'm not arguing. And Nelly was 2000 to 2003 as well. Well, 2000 to 2003. So what Chad GBT says, because I asked them up, you got to ask them a whole bunch of questions. Where's Chad GBT from?

Like, what city is he from? Israel. What was he listening to? They said the greatest peak, if you just want to do greatest peak of career-wise, is 50 cent. He wins because Get Richard I Try and sold 872K first week and went nine times platinum,

one of the biggest rap debut. ever. He had a number one album man, number one single simultaneously for weeks. And he also dominated fashion, mixtapes, radio, street culture. Fashion. Listen, I'm not saying that everyone wanted to dress like 50 the way they maybe wanted to dress like Kanye. But the way he dominated with Reebok and Junet clothing. Let's not act like that was not something that should be on the stat sheet. And everybody and they show, even when he did his little comeback show in New York, niggas was showing up dressed like 50 cent back in the days. But that was niggas that just came home. so you can't be mad at them.

You don't think that GUN & Whitebeater is an iconic piece of fashion that should be putting in time iconic for the wrong reasons though because you can be iconic for the wrong reasons. But you're still iconic. That's the fact. What? Yeah.

Oh, for sure. For sure. But. Roy, he liked them thin, the thin strap tank tops. I didn't have the body for it. Ew. Hey, a man said he didn't have the body for some. No, I definitely, I had the G unit Reeboks.

I had a bunch of G unit like t-shirts. I had a G-unit button up. But I never had the wife-ed-old. That was an interesting time because you did that because you're from Queens. But there was other people of the-Town. We was not wearing G-U-Nit Uptown. Okay, yeah, you're probably right. Was not.

Niggas was wearing Rockaway. So were we. Niggas was wearing, you know, E. Nietzsche. Yeah. When they got really colorful. Some of the Sean John even. South Pole.

I mean, you never let me get them. People's wearing South Pole. I was, we wasn't wearing South Falls. But we was wearing, what was the other coats though? North faces.

Yeah. Still. Maybe, maybe a first down. Maybe, maybe. Some dudes just went first down. I never was really jacking the first down. All right, yeah,

Uptown probably dresses better, but you guys are wearing the Elmo shirt with the Elmo hat and the Cookie Monster shirt and the Cookie Monster hat. So sometimes I want to hear from Uptown. You guys have had some bad trucks as well. That was,

that was the, Bronx and the northern part of Harlem. Yo, but don't do that because Queens, y'all was wearing the baseball hats that had the Chinese letters on it. Like, that's not the Yankees, fan. I don't know what that is. Like, y'all, y'all love. Can you pull that up?

First of all, Queens County is the most diverse county in the United States. We are a melting pot and we're representation of every culture. Yeah. We're inclusive. Yeah, but I mean, those hats with the Chinese letters were so nasty, those fittets. I thought they were fired. Those, I never did those. But this was coming off when people were getting

Chinese tattoos didn't even know what they meant. Yeah, that was crazy. That was a weird time that the city was in. I don't know what was going on. All I know, in the third half in the Bronx, everybody had an Elmo shirt with an Elmo fitted. That's why I never understood the whole Asian hate thing. We love Asians in New York.

Look at the hats we was wearing at one time. We hated Asians since when? That was never a thing. You're racist. They have a black best friend. Yeah, that's not. Come on, man. It's the same crazy.

I voted for Obama. Do you want to get back to the debate, please. We was debating who dressed better between Queens and Uptown. That was part of the debate, but yes. So back of the day, Uptown takes that kick, but I am a huge advocate of defending the borough of Queens now because everyone dresses off. Notts set your back with the leather du rag, though.

But he brought it back. He set y'all back. Noss is fly. Knows can dress. He's one of the better dressed rapists from Queens. For sure. But when Noss put that leather du rag on, y'all was down 30.

I'm not going to lie. The leather du rag was insane. But the Bronx. brought the leather fitted. Like, that was y'all. Terrible. Brooklyn tried to, like, adopt it, but that was definitely a Bronx thing.

I don't know about it. Over the ears. Nah, don't do that. See, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. We wasn't doing that.

But look what Queens was done now with Amay Kith. Like, all the dope shit now comes from Queens designers. So, yeah, we had a rough time. Yeah. But I still think that should be on 50 stat sheet because. No, Gene Unit. Clothing was definitely... People in the Bronx were probably not Jack and the junior shit.

But everyone else in the rest of the world was. I'm sure 50 wasn't mad when he saw the numbers in the Midwest come out. Like, middle America? And Africa. That's all they was wearing. Yeah. All they was wearing. It said 50s peak is widely considered the most powerful and short term dominant in

rap, not the longest, but the highest spike. Eminem will be considered the biggest global impact peak. Like if you talk about global, he's easily number one, widest reaching. They said 50s was more intense, but M's was more massive and broad. broad. Yeah. If we're going off what our definition of peak is, I do think 50 in the scope of everything had the highest peak in hip hop. Well, I mean, that's, that's his artist. So it makes sense. The numbers check out. You know where the biggest peak? Paul Rosenberg.

Jimmy Iveen has had the biggest peak in hip hop history. Dr. Dr. There's another name. Nellie music wise, though, I mean, I don't know if you could really fuck with the country grammar to Nellivu days. Yes, they're saying, but I'm looking at the numbers. MM in 50 smoke when it comes to peak they smoke now Nelly when Nellie when that when that down down baby when that video hit I knew that was a hit because I couldn't like not for the first day I saw that video I remember looking at though I was like who is this like who who is this he's not from New York he's not from LA because at that he's not from Atlanta so at that time that's where all the the best you know rappers were from it was like this guy's from St. Louis ask his

tattooist this is what they this is how they dress in St. Louis this is how they talk this is how that was our introduction to yeah essentially the streets of st louis like okay it was it was nelly like okay and then when the album came out and you got into some of the album cuts and you started hearing the shit that nelly was rapping about nelly's nelly's career that old 2000 to 2003 nelly was a pop star like without a doubt like i'm talking about t rl m tv vm a's any award show nelly was there whether he was presenting performing or accepting and performing or accepting award. Like, Nelly's, that three years of 2000, 2003, without a doubt, Nelly had one of the greatest

rap peaks of all time. Yeah. Vocal or G unit? G unit. Bro, I never saw a nigga win Vocal. I don't even know what Vocal is. You don't remember Vocal? I remember, you remember, uh, it never peat.

You remember Apple bottoms, right? Yes. So Vocal was the mail line to the Apple bottoms. Ah. Yeah. Who was in charge of Apple Bottoms again? T-Pain. T-Pain, yes.

No. Shut up, Lori. Shut up. Who was it? He ain't being in charge of Applebottom's crazy. That's why I'll listen to him. Who created Applebottom? That was Nellie's line.

Oh, it was. Yeah. I was young. You got to understand. I was like fucking seven when all this shit was happening. So I don't fucking remember that shit. Apple bottoms was Nellie's clothing line. I will say, though, coming off to Moll's point of country grammar being what it was,

the follow up having hot in here, Pimp Juice, Air Force One's Dilemma, Work It, Rock the Mike remix, and number one. is an insane follow-up to the country rammer album. Like, that could be debated against massacre. Yeah, that's crazy.

Like every song in this fucking... These are the singles in order. Hot and Here, Dilemma, Air Force Ones work at Pimp Jues. Five singles. Damn. That's fucking crazy. I won't, didn't, Nelly get any, like, check from Nike or...

For the Air Force? Yeah. Well, he had a shoe. he had a Barclay. Okay. A little picture of the Nelly Barclays. How did you,

you guys feel Uptown for Nellie kind of being the face of Uptowns? That was always weird. That must have it. Before Nellie came out and we was a hundred pair Uptowns deep already

like in the closet. Remember when they were like 60, 70 bucks? Oh, I miss it. The A-Max Charles Barclan Nellys, those was crazy. I remember. Oh, it was hard. Now when those dropped?

Yeah, no, that was a dope. Yeah, Nellie, fuck the city up with those. Fuck the city. he fucked the city up with those The city was one way The next day Nellie fucked the city up with those for sure The Air Dirties

All right So well Isn't your favorite rapper like Murphy Lee or some shit Top of his Spotify Nellie's your goat Nellie's your hove Because he represented In the middle of America right

There you go But I mean around our age Nellie was like that guy No for sure Listen bro Nellie Nellie's run incredible. Because my friend Brian really used to wear a band-aid on his face when we were 12. That was gay.

Now, there was a video of Gen Zier's being asked if they knew who this person was. So somebody was holding a picture of Nelly. And nobody... I can't. I don't know who... And Nelly Chaper. You guess who Nelly what? This is insane.

These are college students, right? I'm assuming. And name this celebrity. I can't. I don't know who that is. And in this celebrity. You want to live a kid. him doosies with a backward jeans.

I don't know who that is. And in the celebrity. Hey, he's wearing red. He's probably not affiliated. It's not bow wow, even though it looks like him. What? And him's celebrity. It looks like.

Fine. Whoever that is. Whoever it is. And in the celebrity. Almost looks like 50 cents? Nah, that's not 50 cents. And in the celebrity. Tupac.

What? No. And name the celebrity. I've never seen that first in my life. And in the celebrity. Not 50 cents. And in the celebrity. I'm a swiftly in a K-pop band.

If it's not Sabrina, Olivia, Taylor, Bill Pump, I don't know. And in the celebrity, that's a big dog. And in a celebrity. I don't even want to try it. And in the celebrity. I've seen him before.

What's his famous song? Listen to the name, bro. Not the girl, but the guy. Who is the guy? Jay Z? I don't know. I don't know, bro. I don't know.

I don't know, bro. And in the celebrity. That's key sweat. All right. And in the name the celebrity. The reason why Keith sweat is crazy is way older than him. How do you know Keith sweat, but not no. No.

Crazy. Why do you know. crazy. And in the celebrity. Isn't that, um, no, that's not. All right, but is this one of those things where it's like the fake content? No, no, this is real. I think it's real. But this is why those kids are probably like 18, 19. That's why I'd be so bad at this like on the street content. Because if somebody came with the idea, let's show people Nelly. I'd be like, why are we wasting our time? Everyone's going to guess that. That is crazy that people can see a picture of Nelly, like young kids, 18, let's say 17, 19, 20 years old and don't know who he is. Like, dude, I'm trying to.

or like but see again the biggest artist for three years when they were like two years old like yeah but you can't say that baby d because i knew if you showed me a picture of marvin gay when i was 19 i would know marvin gay is one of the biggest artists of all time nellie is one of the biggest rappers of all time in top what what do you mean if you're doing biggest rappers of all time in top what i mean definitely from his time in 2003 that's from his time are you saying Marblegay is one of the biggest artists of all time. We all should love him. Nelly, so he has a diamond rap album.

Yes. With physical copies. Yes. That's one of the biggest rap artists of all time. I understand that. If you go by numbers, Fettywap would be one of the biggest rap artists of all time. Shibed on this list from best peaks. And there's one of the people, there's people who would not recognize him because the longevity

was not there when it came to the career. Longgevity is more important when you want the kids to know who you are. But Nellie is still currently. like active. He's still like on social media. He's still like on shows. He still, he didn't just have a peek and disappeared forever and we don't know. He disappeared for a long time. A long time. Nelly is back now and back doing shit and we're seeing him because he got a shot. He started dating Ashanti. That became a thing. Ashanti got pregnant. He got a show. Nelly disappeared for years on years on years where nobody was talking about him. As much as I want to defend the youth, I still like, I feel like

artists that are 30 years prior to my existence. I would know who the fuck they are. There were also less artists back then. These kids are exposed to so much more music than we ever were. So much more music. And on top of that. It makes it easier for this era because in the 2000s, there wasn't thousands of artists the way there is now.

The big artist, the one who we knew about, we either learned through our parents or because they were on all types of commercials and this and that and the albums were hanging up in the Target windows. and we were going and physically shopping, the celebrity was so much more different. Now there's hundreds fucking of them. And if you go into your phone, if somebody's not in your algorithm,

which we say all the time, if this ain't in my algorithm, I didn't even know they dropped something. I didn't even know that happened because it's not in your algorithm. Are you seeing what I'm saying? These kids have been growing up in the digital age

being accustomed to digital fucking artists. Like Nelly, I can understand why somebody wouldn't know who Nellie was. To me, it's a parents thing, like, Maybe. It starts in the home. You're right. No.

It starts in the home, Rory. You're absolutely right. It's the parents. This is why the Democrats are ruining the nuclear family. Yeah, yeah. So no one can identify Nellie. It's the parents. No, but that really, why I know a lot of the artists before my time is because my parents

were listening to them. Like, I wouldn't, if I didn't grow up in the household, I grew up in, I don't know if I'd be able to spot Phil Collins out the gate. Yeah. But I can because he was in my house. And let's end. So now they're like 18, 19, right? Which means that their parents are probably between your age and your age.

How often do y'all play Nelly? Every night before I go to bed. So you know what I'm saying? So like let's, and giving Nelly all his shit, but let's be fucking for real. How often are y'all playing Nellie? I got Amaro's sports set that came with a basketball hoop, the soccer thing, and a baseball bat, and I played Nellie batter up when she picked up the back. Okay. And that was,

I was like a week ago. That's so cool. That's so cool. But that's not something that you're playing back to back to back to back. That's not what you're doing. No, I'm not in the crib just banging Nelly's hits back to back to back. Like, I fuck with Nelly. But if you came to my crib and you heard Nelly begging, you'd be like, yo, you're going.

You're all right. What you doing? I mean, I thought. You're all in my head. You better relax. That's my shit. That's my shit. That's something I actually would play in my crib.

Yeah, that's my shit. But that's not something that you're going to go to. to put your kids onto. I'm playing Dilemma for Amara when she's like of age. I'm sure. But when I'm talking about what you listen to regularly, it's not about playing something for Amara.

It's about what you play regularly in your crib. Amara gonna sing the fuck out of emotional fucking oranges. She's gonna know all that shit. But she's not gonna know no fucking Nellie. Until you put her on physically go and put her on to Nellie. You're gonna have to do that. Sometimes you gotta let the kids do their own digging

and find the grades. they have to find the legends themselves kids don't do that anymore yeah like I had to I dug through the crates and saw that off the wall album and just was like who is this? Yeah you had to yeah I discovered Michael on my own

yeah I didn't my mom wasn't just playing the hits so she had to go on Michael was still active when you was a kid you're like you discovered the Jumanji game how far in the crate did you have to find to get to off the world? It was the second one the biggest artist of all time

at his peak when you were a child like it was the second album it was the second album in the crate I was like yeah I want to hear this play this one Yeah. No, that didn't surprise me at all. It made me feel old as fuck, but it didn't surprise me at all. I guess.

I mean, do you think they'd be able to recognize 50? Yes. But that is because of who 50 is today. Are you seeing what I'm saying? If 50 just stopped being 50 and just disappear, caused some cases, went away. It'd be different. But 50 is still trolling, niggas, on the shade room to this day.

They think he's the IG influencer. Yeah, exactly. Real shit. I mean, M, just because he's white. They probably know him. I mean, all the rappers look like Wayne now, so that could be, that could really like cross their wires. They know Little Wayne. But that's my thing.

Wayne came out before Nellie. How do you know Little Wayne and not Nellie? Because Wayne, well, Wayne's, Wayne had a longer run than Nellie, a longer run. He has more kids. He has the famous baby mamas. Wayne has a lot that would keep him really. He has a famous fiance? He just got her.

He had her for years. Broke up and got back. Okay. Broke up and got back together. You didn't grow up knowing that that was Lauren London's baby father, that that was Nivia's baby father. You didn't grow up knowing those things.

That Reg. His daughter, Little Wayne's daughter, became so culturally relevant with the fucking kids. I guarantee autumn kids know her because she used to go viral all the time. So then you have that. His baby mother's on a fucking,

on a TV show, a couple reality TV shows that they grew up watching. Like, there's multiple. things that go into that. Also, just the longer career and more kids. More culturally relevant. He's out here. They said that Wayne, Chad GBC,

said Wayne had the biggest cultural peak. Like, he ran the culture. He had the biggest peak when it came culturally. Not numbers, but culturally. And that makes sense. Not mad at that. Y'all, I love y'all sticking up for Nelly, though. I fuck with Nelly. Y'all should stick up with him, but I'm not surprised them kids don't know him. I'm very surprised. Just knowing a picture of Nellie and you don't know who that is, That's that, I thought it was fake, but you can see in their reaction.

They genuinely did not know who they were looking at. But you know what? I wouldn't be surprised if they know a song or know the name, but not recognize the face. Oh, he was singing along and then who was? That made, yeah, not knowing a song. Yeah, knowing a song. Yeah. Knowing the song and knowing the artist.

Like if they say, Nelly, oh, I know Nellie. They know who he is, but to recognize his face, especially when he was so much younger, I can understand why they thought he was bow wow. They don't fucking know. Thinking Nelly is BOWO. Yeah, you know Chris Cross, but not Nelly. When somebody said, Chris Swet. Keith Sweat.

But they obviously don't know Keith Sweat because they thought Nellie was him. So they don't know Keith Sweat. They know the name. But if you know the name and then you think that he looks like Keith Sweat, like you think you're looking at it, which means in your mind you kind of have an idea of what Keith Sweat looks like. Like to even say Keith Sweat don't look nothing like Nelly. We know that. So that's my thing. It's like how can you in your mind these young kids even say Keith Sweat, who was a star in the 80s and early 90s?

when they weren't even born, you go to Keith Sweat and you're looking at Nelly. So my mom listened to. I think I remember that guy. That's like insane. But just, but just think about that,

that they would look at Nelly and say Keefe Sweat. Their grandmamas was probably listening to Kep Sweat. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Because they know what they're your age. But I was listening to Keefe Sweat. He wasn't listening to Keith Sweat.

I mean, not when, like, at his peak, but like we listen to Keith Sweat in high school for sure. Oh, yeah, okay. it's timeless music. Yeah, of course, but it's not like, you know, timeless music didn't stop at my generation. I feel like we were the last generation to listen to the timeless music before our time. I don't think these kids listen to the timeless music from my era. What would you consider time music? We listened to all the timeless music from Maul's era. What do you think, what would you consider timeless music from your era?

I mean, we just went through the 2000s Rolling Stone List, which I think, that top 10 was pretty spot on. And all 10 of those albums are timeless to me. Well, that backup Josh, just so we can revisit that. Of course, there's an exception to the rule. There are kids that still absolutely love music. I'm speaking in general, like the masses of kids. I just don't think, because I think we all retain music the same way,

whether it was from tapes to CDs. This era, they don't even know what that's like. So I don't think they even have to go research. I think they just listen to whatever is, put in their algorithm out the gate. You can go to number one, Josh. You don't have to show us 99. I'm sorry, not Rolling Stone.

It was complex that put out the top whatever albums of the 21st century. My Beautiful Dark Fins of Fantasy, give Richard I trying, blueprint, anti, Marshall Mathers LP, Damn, Take Care, Blonde, Beyonce, House of Balloons. I think those are 10 timeless albums

that I don't know if these kids are listening the way I went back to Maul's era and Maul went back to his older brother's era. Like, I just don't think kids do that anymore. I think my generation was the last generation to do that as a whole. What makes those albums timeless? Because it hasn't even been enough time to say that those albums are timeless. Which, the ones he just named? Blonde?

Blonde is a timeless album. It's one of the greatest written albums. You can play that any year. It's not going to sound dated. The concert. The lyrics are not going to. I'm not arguing about blonde. First of what,

I'm not going to name which one. He is 25 years old. I'm not going to name which ones I'm referring to on the album. I mean, on that list because I'm not fighting when on fucking stand bases. But some of those albums are not timeless. They may feel timeless to, in my opinion, they may feel timeless to us because of how much we love them

because they're all amazing fucking album. We just spoke about that. I told you, I don't think my beautiful dark twist of fantasy is better than graduation. To me, I don't think it's a better I don't think it's more timeless than graduation at all. I don't. It's a great album, but me personally, I go to graduation way before I go.

How many years do you need for it to be timeless? I would go, I think 25 is good. I think 20 is good. If album still sounds good, 25 is the latest time was time. Then Get Richard I Tryin was 03. Blueprint was 2001. Marshall Mathers' LP was 2000. Like I think it's safe to say that those are timeless albums.

For sure. Like even when I started listening to I'matic, Timeless album. It probably wasn't that old. Like, I don't know, 12, 13, I probably like really got into Elmatic. They came out in 94. I think everyone was pretty okay with saying Elmatic was timeless at that time. For sure.

So, and because hip-hop is the youngest genre, I think we have a different scale of timeless. as far as albums go. Now, if you think they showed those kids a picture of Frank Ocean, they would know who he was? I don't know. I don't think so.

That's crazy to me. But even Frank, like, at his peak, never really showed his face. They're not even on his, his faces are barely on his album covers. Like, he's not. Okay, so to my point, Nelly being who he is,

face being as recognized as it is, not to them. Split with Sultan and sure. Not to them, but the picture they showed was the iconic band. Like, that was a thing. He inspired. a hold look. So for them not to know Frank Ocean, who is relevant, it was closer to their age

than Nelly is, and they don't know who Nellie is, what the fuck do these kids know? They know what's going on right now. Do you think they know Usher? Yes, but that's because of what Usher is doing now. Was that because of the Super Bowl? Oh, yes. No, before the Super Bowls, the cherries, all of that. I'm dead ass. I'm not laughing at all. I'm not laughing again. laughing at the fact that that's true. Being able to recognize us and like, oh, that's the cherry man. That's a cherry man. Cherry man, Freddie is his name.

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Usher got something to say? To who? My Way Confessions, 8701. To who? The best three consecutive album run? Who he got something to say to? To the conversation of best three album runs. It went my way, 8701 Confessions, right?

Yeah. I love Usher. That's a crazy. It's a crazy run. It ain't them three that he just named from that Michael, that Jackson. No. No, I was saying. If we're dear.

Like, okay. The con was over if we. Maybe let me explain something to you. First of all, I found Michael, I discovered Michael Jackson, right?

Like, I don't think you're talking to. Who are you talking to? I'm just saying three album runs. Nelly is in the conversation. I mean, not Nelly. Usher's in the conversation.

Well, they're saying best three album run by the numbers, Eminem. I'm not jacking that. Marshall Mathers, EPLP, the Eminem show, and encore by the numbers.

That is incredible, though. But if we're song when his first album was Slim Shady LP. Even Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP. Oh, you said from the first album to the third, yeah. Was My Wave Usher's first album? That I mean, I remember, unless it was. Baby D. I don't know. First album?

What you're saying? I don't know. I was only comparing him to Michael Jackson because I'm never comparing nobody. Okay, so that's what I'm saying. Like you're saying, I don't know. I agree with you on that if it's against anybody else. But I thought we were talking about. But you see how crazy this is? Because I remember being in L.A. Right. And going to get breakfast and going into this restaurant. And Usher was in there eating breakfast too, and nobody knew who he was. What year was this? Was this the year you discovered, Michael?

Two years ago. He had his Vegas residency. And I'm sitting there. Usher was sitting by himself eating pancakes and nobody noticed. Yes. I'm sure people noticed that left him alone. No, no, no. They did not.

Was this at Malibu Soho House or something? No. He would be recognized there. But no. But people would leave him alone there. Like, they did not. I'm talking about people, and sat down. I didn't even look at him.

And I'm like, yo, Usher is sitting right there eating breakfast by itself. And people are just walking in, sitting down and nobody's even looking at. Like, nobody even, like, gave him the salute. Like, I said with something because he left through the back, I was sitting by it in the back. And he walked past me and I just gave him like a salute.

Like, I didn't, you know, say much to him. But like, like, the fact that Usher is who he is. And he was sitting in a fucking restaurant in California in L.A., having breakfast. And nobody in the restaurant even, like, looked at him and acknowledged him was insane to me. This was two years ago, I'm talking about. He had his Vegas residency already. So that's what I'm saying.

It's like, and it wasn't young kids in the restaurant. It was, you know, people my age, maybe a little younger, like. What color were there? It was Asians, white, black. Like, it was all type of people in there. Nobody even. And I purposely looked at that to see if anybody was going to fan out and be like, because you would have a right to fan out if you weren't.

to a restaurant, Usher sitting there by itself eating. You're like, what the fuck? Like, it's one of the greatest R&B artists of all time. Nobody even looked at them. If I seen Usher in a restaurant, I'm going to pretend Usher ain't there too. But I've always felt like that way. You had Bowen hanging from your ceiling and shot an episode with him and said nothing to him. You may have said hello and that was it.

Yeah. I don't, I don't, I want them to feel, I can only imagine how hard it is to live your life being that famous. I don't want to be another stress or add on to it. Live your fucking life. I'm not going to tell you. I'm not saying nobody should have ran up to him and asked for pictures while he was eating pancakes. No.

No. But nobody even said hello. I mean, we joke about me and my fandom, but like in real life off the mic, I would leave Usher alone. Of course, I'd be like, oh, shit, that's Usher, but I would never say. Yeah, I would. I didn't bother him. I didn't say it. I said, no, I know.

Peace to him when he was leaving. But I think most people ironically are like that, at least in major cities. Yeah. Like you saying nobody recognized him. I'm sure that somebody recognized him. I think people just left him alone, which is nice. I get it. Like in New York, that's pretty common.

Like Chris Ravis just walks down Bleaker Street, nobody's going to bother him, except for us when we're shooting a promo. Yeah. But at least we had a purpose. Yeah, we were working. But we looked nuts doing it. Even people were looking at us, like, why are you filming them?

Leave him alone. Yeah. That's Chris. Leave him alone. He's fucking able to. He's here every day. He walks in every day. Well, going back to the biggest three album, by the numbers.

So they said Eminem has the first one. They said the runner up would be Drake would take care. Nothing was the same in views as far as sales. He said he has huge. huge streaming numbers, but nowhere near M's physical sales, still the most dominant streaming era three album run. I don't really care about the sales, but... I mean, but sales do matter, especially if you're talking about back then. If I add Drake to this list, if it's not, if you don't have to go with the first three,

if you do, nothing was the same, take care to, if you're, no, was it views? It was take care, nothing was the same to views. That's, that's one of the most insane three album runs in history, but let's stick with the one to three. I think Kanye, college dropout, late registration, to graduation is absolutely insane. Not for nothing. I think Wayne Carter 1 through 3 is crazy. I know Carter 1 isn't like revered the way a lot of people's shit is,

but I put that there for sure. So according to hip hop, he said Jay's peak, well, he asked like one year peak. He said 98 to 03 to Garden as the single moment. Fade to Black. Okay. When he passed the city over to you in Bleak.

That makes sense. Look who he passed it. Happy birthday, by the way. Oh yeah. It's not. No, it's not. His birthday's tomorrow.

Oh, yeah. This comes out tomorrow tomorrow. You're right. I'm just looking on line too. How old is Jay today? 56? I am. 69 or 70?

69, I think. 69? Pause. He will be 56 tomorrow. Today? Well, today. Yes. Sorry.

56 today. So we don't leave our Southern listeners out. T.I. T.I. Trap music, Urban Legend, and King is a crazy three. That is a crazy three. For sure. You could argue those are three classic albums, especially if you're from Atlanta. Nas, I like I Am, but I'm biased there. But I think I Amt, it was written I Am is a crazy three. Well, it was written in I Amat, absolutely. I liked I Am, but I see why. I am was a good album, but it's...

It wasn't those two. Kendrick, Good Kid, Pimp of Butterfly, Damn. I mean, that's the top five. That's a good run. Very good three. They did sell Section 80. Like, that's always been a weird debate. Is Good Kid Mad City his first album or not?

Because this is first album. I think it is as well, but I've seen people argue it very well. Like, dude, it was sold on iTunes for $999. That's not a mixtape. Yeah. Especially during that era. But even Section 80, Good Kid Mad City, Pimper Butterfly is crazy. three. What about Pluto, honest, and dirty sprite, too? Yeah, it's nice. I'm not mad at that

at all. Drake's first three? Pluto, honest, dirty sprite two. Yeah. I know, I read what you said. Oh, okay. Great's first three? Um, I like Thank Me Later, but it's pretty low on my Drake discography. Um, it's higher I mind than people would think. So I, I really, I really like Thank but I don't know if it's in the conversation that's why I was saying when he was texting hop if it went um nothing was the same take care to views like that's the craziest three album shit to me outcast southern playlists catac funky music AT aliens of quimmoni god damn yeah I don't know that that might take it for me do artists even put out three consecutive, like great albums anymore?

They barely put out albums. They barely put out three, right? They barely put out three albums. Or they barely get three albums out? I didn't even think about this. Mary, what's the 401? My Life Share My World. Let me tell you something.

That's a crazy three. Let me tell you that someone. What's the 4-1-1 drive? I was two. Or y'all don't even know how Mary fucked the city up with that? Fuck the city up with that one. Mary fucked the city up, but what's the

4-1-1? Would you say it was comparable to how Nellie fuck the city up with the Barclays? Nah. What Mary did? was a little different. Mary J. Blasel, Lauren Hill.

What's the 4-1-1 or the miseducation? They're not really comparable. They're completely different albums. Different sounds, different energy, different everything, two totally different artists. But what's the 4-1-drop, man? Jesus Christ. Like, you couldn't go, you couldn't stand outside for 10 minutes

and not hear a car ride by and playing Mary. I'm talking about guys, girl like everybody was playing that shit in their cars like mary and again i'm speaking strictly off of growing up in new york i don't know what mary was doing on the west coast or the midwest but in new york city when what's the four-on-one drop that's all you heard because the sound it was r&b but it was the music was hip-hop yeah you know i mean so it was it was easier to play it you know guys didn't feel too like sexied out you know driving down and a honda chord hatchback bump Yeah, that shit, like, because it had, it had beat to it.

It had, you know, the music was, was hip hop, but what Mary did over those beats was, yeah, she, she, she, she had New York turned upside down. So I did R&B by numbers, just so we always acknowledge numbers. Usher is number one with My Way 8701 in Confessions. What do you know? What a coenke did? Number two would be Beyonce with Dangerously in Love, B-Day, and I am Sasha Mier. And then number three would be Whitney with her debut, Whitney, and then I'm your baby tonight. Damn, I'm your baby.

Mariah is four and Mary is five. If you're not starting at the first album, Beyonce 4 to Beyonce to Lemonade, I think. Clipped. Gives. Hang it up. Flat screen. That's kind of the craziest three.

Flat screen. I mean, I know it's because of his birthday, I like volume one. Reasonable Doubt to Volume 1 to Volume 2 is still a crazy three to me. But people would take Volume 1 as like the thank me later of that one. Yeah, they don't, for some reason they didn't like volume one. I thought volume one was great. I still listen to volume one. Yeah. But I mean, it probably doesn't compete with Blueprint to Black album. Well, not Blueprint 3. Yeah, Jay has a weird

discography in that, that order. I don't know. I'm leaning on the rap side. It's probably Kanye for me personally, I would say, personally. College dropout, lay registration, and graduation to me is probably it for me. College dropout, late registration and graduation. Yeah. Kendrick would be close there as well. That Kanye 3 is crazy. I don't know why thank me later.

Anytime I try to have rap debates, I go back to like reality, not even like what I'm thinking in my brain. And it usually lands on Kanye West. That Kanye 3 is crazy. Like you know the music that's on those three albums? Maybe it's my, maybe it's because I'm a little bit younger than you. I don't know how you're, and I don't want to say you're down playing thank me later, but I just remember when thank me later came out.

I love thank me later. I just think like Drake ascended going from thank me later, then going to nothing was the same. I'm sorry, take care then to nothing was the same was like. Yes, he. The jump from, if you're reading me later to take care. It's insane. And then keep going. It almost don't even sound like the same. It almost don't even sound like the same artist when you listen to thank me later and then listen to take care.

It's actually similar to Kanye where you sound like it doesn't even sound like the same voice. Yeah. So college dropout to graduation doesn't even sound like the same person. So I hear you. I'm sorry. I'm rolling. I'm rolling with with Drake's first three over Kanye's first three. But that could just that could just be a. All right. Do you prefer college dropout or thank me later? Thank me later. Interesting. Okay. Thank Me Later is in my top four favorite drink albums. I was going to go in order. Late registration verse take care. Take care. Not mad at that. Then graduation versus.

Nothing was the same. I'm not mad at it. Listen, I'm not even here to like really. I think the only one I would give you pushback on is thank me later a college dropout. Because to me that's an easy college dropout. Okay. But the two and three are up for debate and I wouldn't be mad at anyone in that regard. Yeah.

But yeah, those would be, I guess, the best three. If you're doing two get rich massacre, Nellie, Nellieville, Illmatic, it was written. College dropout, late registration probably takes the

two category for me. As far as that goes. But then again shit, Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP are both fucking incredible. I just think M sucks now. I didn't think he sucked that. No, back then. You think it was first like four M albums are

incredible. You think even if it makes timeless. Not giving my opinion on this. You think Eminem makes timeless music? No. And not by my definition. That's only because of the content in which I heard it. I was 10 years old listening to Marshall Mathers LP and the thought of how dangerous it was that I was 10 and hiding it from my mom added to the factor of the entire thing. It was like shock jock Howard Stern type of thing. You had to hide that album? Yeah, I had to hide a country grammar and then my mom found it and broken in half. Why? Because the intro is, you can find me and say, Mm-hmm, when it goes all this. I'm got to something like that.

Others just smoking down, down. Your mom didn't want you in that. The intro is, others just smoking fuck all day. That's the intro. And my mom was like, no. Got you. So. It's funny that that's his album that his mom would love.

Country grammar. And Mons was doggie style. Snoop. Drastically. My mother would have had an aneurism. You know the content, the difference. with Snoop's saying and country grammar oh my god yeah country grammar wasn't even crazy country grammar was like miss rachel compared to with snoop's saying or doggy style you know

what snoop was saying or doggy style it ain't no fun if the homies can't have my mother's like turn that yeah it's essentially a song about gang rape and now my mom knows she probably knows what snoop is doing right now like that's how much my mom loves snoop now like i was never banned from listening to music and when i look back i should have like i should not have been listening to the deep Janet Jackson cuts at eight years old, like that probably shaped the way that I am today. But it was always movies. They never banned me from music because my father played. You look like you was in the house, dancing slow to that's the way love goes.

There's so many worse songs. Yeah. There's. Oh, no. If you look at that song from the surface level, as a kid, you wouldn't think it would be free. It was bad. It was she had some shit that to this day is like, like when my dad was talking shit about WOP, I'm like, you had me listening to Janet very young.

It's way worse. way worse. She got songs that time I was like, what? Go deeper, go deeper. It feels so good I'm about to cry. But you don't know

what that means at that time. Yeah, but Baby Dee was like 10 screaming that shit. No, she was internalizing it for sure. She didn't know at the time, but it would... Baby, mine was like two years old

singing that one. Go deeper, baby, deeper. I would have beat my daughter ass if I came in and she was singing that shit. My dad never cared. Like, I remember I left my CD booklet on the bus when I went to go see him

and it was one of the most distraught days of my entire life. You want to go see who? My dad. I left my CD like K- Oh, all of the CDs? On the bus. I don't know. Oh my God. And thank God I let all my- That was like losing your phone. Mm-hmm. I would throw my phone against a brick wall right now. If I could go back to that day to get all my CDs. But thank God I let all my friends burn on my CDs. So I had copies to do that. But my dad saw how distraught I was and he took me to the CD store and he let me buy Mob Deep murder music. That was the makeup for it? And then let me put it in his Jeep.

Like we left. Oh, no. That made up for your entire collection. Like, you let me get this new mob. No, he saw how distraught. Like, shout out to my past. He saw that I was like hurt. No, that was losing your CD collection.

I lost my life. Yeah, that was losing everything. You lost that. It was like, what do you do now? What do I listen to? You still have your two? CDs? I still have mine that all the burnt ones.

I think my mom may have all my CDs. I still have. Mine. Oh, big ass. My mother threw away that whole crooked-ass bookshelf. If y'all made fun of in that video, she threw away all my shit.

Oh, no, that's a, no, listen. When you used to go away for the summer, that was your mom's, your parents' time and, like, renovate and do the whole, yo, I remember, I went to the window away once in a while I came back. Mawms did the room over. Yo, I didn't even recognize my room.

I was like, who's supposed to sleep here? All of this shit is new. Like, where's all my shit at? For Patreon or something, I have to look at my storage. I have my CD booklet. I have all my posters still. too. I'll bring them in for like a Patreon episode that we could just go through my

CD case and all the posters that I have in trash bags. Like rolled up. I think there's a belly poster in there. Like the movie belly? That's crazy. I had a lot of posters. The posters was a thing though. I remember seeing posters in the subway like damn. Defined who you were. My dad used to steal him. Your identity. My Harry Potter one and my Janet Jackson offer you tore one. He had the razor blade and he just cut it out. He stole him and brought him home. And he bought it home from the subway to Sarah. Like he bought it home from. Oh, okay.

We have some of my posters here. The Elmatic shit that's been in the background, the miseducation. Those are all like, I didn't buy those as an adult. Those are from my child. The James Brown one, my dad ripped off the wall at BB Kings. It's like, you know. Sometimes you got posters were. I need that thing.

Damn, y'all. That just made me really like reminisce, you know, my fucking childhood. I hate being an adult. Yeah, no, it sucks. You was trying to be an adult when you was a child. The shit you was singing and listening to? Yeah. You couldn't wait to be an adult.

I said I'm pink 10 I really come waiting to be an adult as a kid I couldn't wait I thought I was so I graduated early I was like I don't want to I hate high school I hated high school since the moment I got in I wanted to be grown so bad I want to And now look at you you want to go back It's just the bills you just hate paying bills

I fucking hate paying that's all that's all adults hate we just hate paying for shit That's it but you don't mind being an adult Yeah the drinking and smoking and fucking is pretty cool I mean that's pretty fucking cool way but that's a teenager No And I wasn't as responsible. Yeah, but everybody wasn't as privileged as you were. To drink, smoke, and fight.

It was really easy. I know we have a lot of teenage listeners, so I don't want to steer them off the path. But it's really easy to go out there to find something to smoke, drink, and fuck. Oh, man. So, you know. Do what feels right, kids. All right, well, this was fun. Yeah.

Fun trip down memory lane talking about music. Well, there was one more question you guys had on here. Okay. Which was what? Would you rather be Fetty Whopper, Freddie Gibbs? All right, you have to have context. I'd rather be Freddie Gets. Freddie Wap is serving federal time.

There was context to the, first of all, well, add the context because I wasn't there for the context. No, it was about, um, we were having the peak conversation. Would you rather have a longer, slower burn of a career or a crazy high peak? Mm-hmm.

Like Fetty own whatever summer 2014 that was. Mm-hmm. Freddie, Freddie probably didn't get his just do until 10 years into his career. Mm-hmm. I'd go outside of the, federal things Feddy's going through.

I would go with Freddie just because I think you have a longer career that way. But I don't know. Feddy could probably, when he gets out, I'm sure we'll get booked for a bunch of shit. How smart am I with my money? Because I'd rather make the money fast, invest it, and never have to be a celebrity. Listen, man, Vanilla Ice had that song

and now is like one of the biggest real estate people in California. You know what I'm saying? Like, let me get the money in now without all this hard work. Well, I won't say that Feddy didn't work hard because we don't know how long he was grind in behind the scenes. Yeah. Either way.

He has them hit songs that fucking amazing run. 12 baby mothers will chop down a lot of that bread. I just want to start there. He's 12 them? 9. Shit. Look it up. Chat GBT GBT,

how many baby mothers is fed? The fact that we're burning like oil in the middle of the country for Chad GBT to tell us how many baby mothers fed he has. Yeah. Fuck it. What a country? Six baby mommas. And like the fact that they said baby mommas.

This is what Chad. GBT says. Six baby mothers. Mother of his children. He doesn't have six. He has six baby mamas. Six kids. Six kids with five women.

Okay. That's not bad. That's not bad. That's not bad. It's crazy. It's a rookie number. Rookie numbers. You know, I mean, a young boy?

Pull up a real champion. Y'all, y'all never heard a motherfuckerin. What's Mariah Carey's baby father name? Nick Cannon? We never talked about Nick Cannon. Like, what is he going through? Like, what's so with Nick? Spreading the seeds.

We never really sat and really like dove into, like, what's so a nix? Just a bird feeder that got knocked over. How many, how many baby mothers does Nickana have? 10, if I'm not mistaken. He could definitely field an entire MLB. Oh, six, but he has, around 10 kids. He got six baby mothers. Ten kids.

Yep. 12 kids, six women. God damn 40. Think Mariahs in the group chats? Fuck, no. No. Elon Musk has 14 kids with four women. Republicans are not outraged

but hear me out I like being black I like it a lot wouldn't mind being one of Elon Musk kids I'm just saying yeah but your name would be control alt delete or whatever the fact he names his kids like that's fine I'd be rich I will control all delete your ass

one of his kids is trans and he took he took that kid out of the will I don't know if I wanted to be opposite sex or bad with my dad but if you're gonna have 14 kids you'd like just going off the math one of them may end up being trained Is that the numbers?

One in 14? I don't think so. Less than 1%. I love that Josh has those numbers right here. But Fetty Wops, baby mothers. He keeps in the frontal lobe. But he got to Google. He got to check GVT.

How many baby mothers? Fetty Wobb. Can't Google shit. But knowing that the trans is 1% of the population. Less than 1% of the population. But, Demaris, that's a good point. Like, if I was MC Hammer with a good accountant, I don't know.

That may be better than grinding it out for 25 years, getting a core fan base and hitting the road. Yeah. Honestly. You need an MC Hammer movie. A series would be crazy. We need an MC Hammer series of movies. Because you need at least one season of him being in the Navy, one being a crib. Y'all don't know.

Y'all don't know exactly how big of a star MC Hammer was. I know y'all, because y'all was too young. If y'all were even born yet. I think we have an understanding because he's just part of pop culture. Only few people just become. fan like mc hammer dance is like McDonald's to me like it's it's just that so no we don't know but we have an understanding emcee hammer was but so y'all are gonna be pissed at me right i would be one of them kids because i know who mc hammer is i know how to do the mc emmer dance if you show me

a picture of mc hammer i would not fucking if i put a line up on the tv right now does he have hammer pants on huh does he have hammer pants on okay well that's different you know mcc but if you just see if i just see his face you're not you just see his face but Nellie ain't have Air Force On his pictures you can see his Air Force ones. You ain't know. Yeah, but he had the Band-Aid. You know that's Nelly.

Yeah. I have no idea what MC Emmer looks like. No. Would you know what Johnny Gill looks like? That's the point of sisters. No. No clue. That's the Point of Sisters.

No clue. Ideal for one. Y'all don't know the Point of Sisters? That's... No clue. That's Spacoli from... No, that's... Fast Times of Ridge Mother High.

That's, what's my guy's name? Damn. I don't know who that is. But is that like the Nelly of the 80s? This is, okay. I apologize to the kids because I don't know what this is. Rod Stewart. Oh, I mean, I know who Rod Stewart is, obviously.

Hot Rod, yeah. Hot Rod. No, he was in June. Every Halloween costume ever. I know who she is, but I don't know the name. I don't know the name. She plays the guitar? Love is a battlefield.

What's her name? Pat Benatar. Oh, that's my guy. No, I know. That's Rory Pige and Penner. After spending a lot of time in Brooklyn. Zizi Top? Yes.

Oh, fuck. Josh thought he was throwing me off with ZZ Top. Josh don't know how to... I listened to all of that, man. I was in all of them crates, man. I was digging through all of that, man. But it has a lot to do with also with parentage because, like, I wouldn't recognize a lot of members of New Edition.

because my parents were older. So my dad only listened to rap and like Michael Franks and shit like that. And my mother listened. My mother was older, so she listened to like 70s, like 60s music. So 90s R&B, I suck at 90s R&B knowledge. I'm terrible at it.

As far as like pointing out the artist, being able to like know their face. Because my little sister went back and read like, went and listened to all that stuff. I didn't. I stayed listening to 60s, 70s and then current. I did not. I like 90s R&B,

but I'm not as... You listen to music from the 60s? Who's your favorite artist from the 60s? Oh, God. Blue Magic, Commodores. Like, old, like, oh, shit. Like, old... Now, I would say 60s.

I would say 70s. Not 60s, 70s. So you was more into the, like, Motown. Mm-hmm. Like, that's what I go. There's plenty of music from the 60s that I listen to. Motown. Yeah, Slide Family Stones.

I like the Beatles. Rolling Stones. I'll get the Beatles. Beach Boys a spin. I give the beach boys a spin. I don't consider Marvin Gay. I mean, yeah, I guess Marvin Gay's 60s too.

James Brown, Jimmy Hendrix. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You mean the legends? Yeah. No, I don't know like the underground garage bands of the 60s. I have no idea. No, I don't.

I don't know who the immortal technique of the 60s is. But like, yeah, my mom played Janice Joplin when I was growing up. Yeah, she gives Janice a spirit. Yeah, Janice got some burning in the house, for sure. You know, like Van Morrison, a lot of people aren't up on him. They don't know about Van. You know, they don't know what he was doing, man. That's hilarious.

Ray Charles never got his just due. Oh, man, this was fun. Yeah, it was a good music podcast. Yeah, man. I'm going on and listen to some old 60s music now because of y'all. Let the 60s burn in the night. All right, well, we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe.

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