New Rory & MAL - Episode 432 | Underrated

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

We got you with another bonus episode this week. We gotta give a shoutout to Mal 'cause he put all of us "All Her Fault" and that might be one of the greatest TV shows ever. We slip into a debate about the most underrated years in music. Mal admits he doesn't listen to Beyonce, but he ain't no hater. Even with that, we reminisce on where we were in life when Beyonce dropped "Lemonade". Plus, we talk last time we were "dangerously in love", and Vince Staples might be the funniest man on the planet #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. The volume. Okay. Roy, you can start talking whenever you're ready. Just chilling. ASMR? He's going to beat off to it later.

That can just be our cold opening, right? Right there. Matter of fact, that's how we start the episode, right? Right with Damaris just said. Yo, I don't like some of our listeners' comments, man. Somebody said, since I got new teeth, it looked like y'all cloned me. They've been calling you Chip Skylark, and that shit has been frying me.

Who is Chip Skylark? Old-ass, nigga's like, it's the guy from Fairly Eye Parents. I know. It's his pet. Oh, him?

Yep. I know who that is, yeah. Fairly Eye Parents is a good show. Fairly Outparents is my favorite cartoon all time. Really? Mm-hmm.

Over like Rocco's modern life, Rugrats. Yes, it's my favorite of all time. Interesting. Mm-hmm. Okay. That's a weird pick.

Really? I don't think, I think you're a little Possible is even better than that. You're a literal. you're a little older than me, just to buy a tad. So that's why some of those things were relevant to you. Now, out of all the cartoons, I watched Rugrats the most, right?

I feel like every person born in 94 did. But favorite was fairly odd. Fairly loud appearance was fucking hysterical to me. Yeah, I wonder if Amar is going to want to watch, like, if I throw on the Rugrats, if she'll like that, or if her brain is already wired to like what Pepper Pig looks like. Cocoa Mellon is crack for kids. So do you let her watch that? she's watched it a few times she picks on our iPad now what she wants to watch

she she found some like German cartoon yeah like of all the languages mall come on bro can we we can we blur that right like just blur it all right thank you yeah so like of all the language like she should probably learn Spanish uh they teach Mandarin that she started 3K by the way guys oh I didn't know what 3K was I thought he was a rapper but apparently 3K is a thing. Was that a thing to anyone else? We called a head start back in the day. Okay.

Well, she's not three yet, but she's already with, she's with three-year-olds. Okay. Yeah. She switched. She went from daycare to like a real school. Oh, which reminds me. I owe game an apology.

Mm, he impressed you, huh? No, I have not seen or spoken to gaming in quite some time. And matter of fact, last time we spoke on sex, it was great. I should not diagnose people because someone tried to diagnose my daughter and I was ready to storm at that woman. Oh yeah, you did say that she, um, you told us that she, they thought it on mic. Yeah. Okay, yeah.

Well, yeah, we switched out of there. And pre-diagnosis, she's already ahead. She's with the three-year-olds and she's two. But what did she try to diagnose tomorrow with? ADHD, which you can't even have at her age. And you're not a doctor. Is that like a teacher? You're just, uh, at a daycare.

Oh, that's crazy. And listen. Child care we've talked about. I don't understand how y'all do that job. You guys are incredible. But you're not a doctor. She a white woman? Yeah.

How does that happen? Like, as a white parent, right? When you see other whites? Yeah, like, when a white teacher... We all go to the same meetings. But when a white teacher tries to, like, diagnose your white daughter. Wait, what is...

What does that have to do with... Land this race point? I'm just saying because, like, I don't... You think all doctors should be Asian is what you're saying? I never seen, I never seen, like, white people try to diagnose, like, white kids at a daycare. Usually they do that the black kids. kids. Okay. Like they usually just think like all white kids are brilliant, brilliant that day's

day. No, I don't think that's how it works. No. You don't think so? And I think people with ADHD are brilliant in their own right. Thank you. I just see it. I have a theory that we all have ADHD. You said that though. Yeah. I think everybody has ADHD. That's not true. A theory in him. I just feel like technology has forced all our brains to have it. I was about to say, if we all have one of these, we all have ADHD. Yeah. No, y'all can be easily distracted. It's not ADHD. I just don't want try to downplay ADHD. ADHD. No, I know. No, I have.

I have ADHD. I know you do. I'm speaking from like a survivor standpoint. Like, I'm surviving through this, this, I don't know, want to call it a disease, but like yeah, with this illness. I'm not, not an illness, with this ability. You're not only spokesperson. You're also a client. Yeah. I think we all have

it. No, I hear you. Because I don't think anybody can focus. Like, put on a movie and just watch people like your friends. Just watch them. Just Put a movie on, like, yeah, we're going to watch a movie. And see who could actually really watch the movie. But that's, the majority of them have phone addiction and short attention spans. That's different.

And ADHD. What's funny is I do have in my brain, which I've even talked to Keith about this, if we put something on, is it something that I can be on my phone and watch or something I have to watch? I hate people like you. Because some, no, because I'm not the person that is on their phone while watching something, but is it one of those shows that I'm just going to have to stop everything that I'm doing to make sure I can, like,

get every detail. Or is this something that I can like, I can check an email and still be caught up. That means the show's not good if you do that. Some shows are just meant to just turn your brain on. This is what reality TV is for. Like, it's to turn your brain off for a second. Everything needs

to like move your mind. No, no. If I'm watching baddies, I can be on my phone and watch baddies at the same time. Oh no, that's one of those. Phones off. Turn the Wi-Fi off. I don't got to be super locked in to know what's going on with baddies. I know who about the fight. I know what they're fighting about. Somebody ripped somebody wig like I get it come out the bad baby what I miss they're fighting again they're still fighting all right I got it understand um speaking of which I want to thank both you guys uh all her

fault I'm on episode five I cannot wait to leave here to finish the entire series you still obviously you know I had shit to do ADHD no I had to no Rory's good with shows Rory's good with shows yeah I'll binge I'll binge two seasons in one day if I can like I'll move from the TV put it on my phone while I'm doing errands like I'm one of those people but I will say and we're going to talk about this for the remainder of the week so no spoil alerts yet it's one of the best shows I've seen in quite some time told you it's incredible it belongs in that same COVID year with the undoing yeah and your honor the night of and yeah it's it's it's in that like if someone when I started watching it I was like this feels like

it should have came out during the pandemic when we had all of those great shows I was telling demaris on text yesterday putting Shiv and Shug together may have been the greatest cast can call I've seen in quite some time. Shiv would be Chivvon from Succession and Sugar from the Bear. I didn't recognize. I recognized Sugar, but I couldn't figure out where she was from, which means you're doing a really good job at acting if I'm like, I know your face, but I can't pick out the character.

And I was like, oh. I know it's a good show and it's like a, you know, a thriller and drama and all these things. But one time she was walking around the house, she had them pants on. She looked like she was holding back. She was, no, no, no, let me tell you. Did you watch Succession? Yeah.

Shib been holding since season one. I wrote it in the group chat and I felt creepy so I unsented. You saw it Pete? Oh, I was wondering what that unsaid. I wrote. I was watching and I felt real creepy because it was like 8.30 in the morning,

9 o'clock in the morning. And I was like, you're just looking at ass. I was like, man, Shiv ass fat as fuck. I was like, you know what? Let me. We used to joke.

You know those like quick cuts that used to do in succession like how the cinematography is? We used to joke. I wonder how many times the DP just did that to Shiv's thighs. Yeah. Like, and they styled her so well in that show that, like, they always picked pants that

that held it up, too. It looked like she got thicker. When I was watching it in this, I'm like, Shiv got thick. Like, Shiv look good. I'm sorry, Sarah Snook. Thank you. Sarah Snook. But to your point of Shug and Shiv, like, both those people you think would be

typecast because they both have iconic characters in other shows, they don't act like those characters at all. No. All her fault. Like, even like Lawrence, I think, is a great actor. But Lawrence But Lawrence acts the same way In insecure as he did in Top Gun.

Yeah. That's fucked up. No, he's a good act. Like, he's great in the show. But when I watch Top Gun, I definitely was like, yo, Lawrence got to Like, go get Issa, though. Or maybe Lawrence is just that iconic of a character.

It's like, you know, how Lawrence leave L.A. and his flying jets right now? What's my Jay Ellis to act? Jay Ellis. But even when I was watching him in all her fall, I was just waiting for him to say, fuck, I was just waiting for him to say it.

Yeah, he's forever. He's forever. Like, that's an iconic character. Well, I mean, this is the only spoiler I will give because it's not that big of a pivotal part of all her fault. When you find out that Lawrence is fucking Shug, in my head, I was like, man, Issa was right. He'd do like white girls. Oh, stop. You try to parlay it all into a whole new.

Same universe. No, that was Lawrence. He just moved on and. It's all her fault. It's all Issa's fault. That's the only problem with that show, though. and I mean mall is probably going to call me gay

but that's not there's no way Lauren like look at Lawrence he's not dating an older white woman he's a good he's a very good looking guy I'm not saying first of all shit sugar is beautiful but I'm just saying like they're not even in the same age bracket well Abby Elliott

Abby isn't old they're probably he's probably older than her white people age worse okay myself included Abby Ellie is what 38? No oh shit my bad idea She doesn't look that. She doesn't even look that old.

You're being me. She don't even look that old. Well, the roles that they put her in, like right there, she doesn't. It looks amazing. But when they make her shug and make her. Leah. Leah, like, they're trying to make it look like a, she's like an old addict in that show. So they made her look less attractive.

She's the younger sister. Yo, you're funny as hell, bro. I'm crying. But I don't know. Huh? Great show. Great show. I'm so glad you guys haven't spoiled anything.

I do not know if we owe the husband an apology or he's the biggest social. Yeah, that's why I don't want to talk about because I'm like a kid. Yeah, I don't. to get there. Chill. Everybody relax. I used to have a bunch of theories. Now I'm kind of just, I have none.

Everything they try to make it seem like is going to be something. I mean, at the end of the day, I just think the adopted mom did everything. See, the undoing. I ain't going to lie. You was on the side of the sun did it at once in the undoing. I'm sure I was. Yeah. I think you yelled that out.

It's got to be the son. I thought the person they passed on the sidewalk did it. I thought extra number three did it. I can't wait to finish this though. So we can really talk about it. Is it just one season? Yeah. It's like a limited series, right?

Or does it end where it looks like it could be a season two? No, it's a limited series, for sure. I don't see them bringing a season two for this. That's what like, I like limited series because I go in with the expectations that I know will get a conclusion and I can move on with my life. I hate when you get to like season three and season four doesn't get picked up. And it's just like, why did we do this? Now my whole life is fucked up because I'm thinking about what's going on. I'm still never letting go to Messiah.

I'm sorry. I'm going to bring that up every time we talk about great shows that never got a season two. I couldn't get the first episode was cool I was just waiting for it to like pick up on the Messiah? Yeah. You know, you know only watch one episode?

Oh my, you can't have this conversation and you gotta watch it. I'll give it another go. You have to watch that season. That's one of the best shows that they just canceled because people were offended

that they were trying to depict the Messiah and all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What the fuck are we talking about? Wait, that's Jesus? I'm crying. We don't, we don't know. We didn't get a season two.

Oh, so. Oh, okay. We don't know. We do not know. this is the problem here this is why we need a season two we have questions it's like when they opened the tomb and there was nobody three days later like we like we're like season two is in the tomb yeah man they would cancel season two because people are offended that's how i feel about lovecraft country though like yeah that that that was heartbreaking like bro emmy nominations critical acclaim

everything like cult fan favorite and y'all canceled it they think it was justy fault they was telling the truth about shit. Black people will step in into their power. Yo, what do you feel about

the ditty doc being number one in 49 countries? That shit is like robling like Stranger Things numbers at this point. We can say

what we want but that shit is doing some incredible shit on Netflix. That's all I'm saying. Shout out to 50 and the team

like listen how you feel about the doc is how you feel and what an entendre stranger things. Yo, listen, that, yeah,

Yeah, that's the real strange things. Like that is, like, listen, number one in 49 countries, bro. Say what you want, man. That's some incredible shit they did. Oh, man, I just saw Toray had brought up something interesting because you know that clip that we've all seen for years of big saying, you know, I feel paranoid. I feel like someone's going to kill me.

Yeah. And then in the dock, they cut right to March 9th, 1997 to make it look like. So he was like, yo, I did that interview with him before the first album. He's talking about the streets. He's not talking about Puff. He's not talking about the industry. He's scared.

He's selling drugs and he's terrified. Someone's going to kill him. So yes, that doc has so much factual shape. But how they manipulated a lot of that. Yeah. Should be studied of how, like that's what worries me sometimes too, especially like we see it now with Twitter and hip hop now. Just like all these young kids that know nothing

have all these strong opinions. In 49 countries, there's a lot of people that are getting a lot of misinformation. And this is their first time being introduced to this story. Like, Puff didn't kill Tupac. And now that's a narrative. I remember, what's the guy's name from TMZ? Van?

No, not Van. Harvey? Harvey? Oh, you know it. Harvey Levin? No. No? Harvey Keitel?

That's the actor. Harvey Levin, right? Harvey Levin, he's a great. He looks great. He looks great. Hey. He was talking, I saw a clip of him talking about the fact that, you know, in the doc, some of the footage of Diddy talking to his lawyer, it was like he can't believe that

that's in there. Like, why would Did he even record that? Yeah. I told you all my theory on that. He was like, it's like lawyer, it's like client lawyer. I mean, lawyer, client, like, you know, privacy, privilege. Even in jail, nobody can listen to your conversation. Yeah.

So, like the fact that he was recording that and didn't tell his, his lawyer. that he was recording those conversations. Oh, yeah. You know, that could have really... Being sued by your own lawyers would be fun. Dumb shit. I just thought, but even in watching the doc, I did, like, things like that. I was like, I don't know if the camera should have been rolling right there.

Yeah. And speaking of Harvey Levin, back to our Kardashians versus the Kennedy's conversation. TMZ is also tied to the Kardashians. Like, the first case that Harvey Levin even really covered was the O.J. Simpson trial to, like, get his name out there. So the more I thought about it after our episode, I, yeah, it's Rothschild, Kardashian, and then Kennedy.

Well, what's the head of the, DuPonts made somewhere in there? What's the head of the health advisory? What's his name? Luigi. No. What's the Kennedy that's the head? Is it Robert?

RFK, yeah, RFK Jr. What is his role again? I'm sorry. Head of vaccines or something? Head of vaccines. Head of vaccines. No, he's the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Did you see the video going around to him doing 20 pull-ups yesterday?

No. That's impressive. A guy his age, like being able to do 20 pull-ups? Listen, man, I just recently found out he's married to Cheryl from Kirby's enthusiasm. So I... Really? Yes. Oh, shit.

I didn't know that. Simulation. So random. We're in a simulation. I swear. Nothing makes sense, man. While we're here, congrats to our guy, Mison. Mondami just appointed him as the criminal justice advisor for New York City.

I didn't like how they did my guy, my son, and all, like every single headline is ex-con rapper. Like, yes, did my son go to jail? But the amount of things my son has done since he's gotten out of jail, I don't know if he should just be labeled as ex-con. Oh, you know they got to put that in there. You know, they got to do that. They got to try to make the correlation. I mean, I think that that's a stat though.

Yeah. But yeah, put that on the paper. Put that I'm an ex-con and now I am the head of who would understand criminal justice more than an ex-con. Yeah, like, I think that I saw people that was kind of like, damn, they fucked up for that. I'm on the opposite side of that, man.

Like, look how much somebody can change. Look how far somebody can come, pause. Look how, you know. You know, that was crazy. I said, Paul, like, y'all got to start respecting the pause, man. You got to say, pause first. I keep telling you. Yeah, but I'm just saying I didn't

realize, you know, in the midst of it, he didn't anticipate, you know what I'm saying, how crazy that was going to land. But anyway, yeah, I think that was dope though for them to put that on the page. Like, yeah, I am an ex-com. Yeah. And now look what I am. So, shout out to my song, another Bronx legend, Rory. I don't know if you know that or not. Of course. So yeah, shout out to Mijan, shout out the mom, Donnie for just going in there and just doing shit different, man. Fuck it. That's what I'm about. Fuck all this shit up. Do everything. Hire everybody. Give Tasha K the head of something. Put all them in there. The head of the post?

Yeah, put all of them in there, man. The New York Post and Tasha K aren't much different. Let's just see what... Page six is Tashke. Let's just see where shit lands, man. That's what I'm on. Let's just see where shit lands. I'll take this because I know Misan does have very good intentions. I'll take that over Eric Adams giving his side chick a quarter million dollar salary just to show up. I'm sorry, no show job. Yeah. Just to live. How much you think they're paying Mison? I'm sure we can... I mean, it's our tax dollars. They have to tell us. But I don't know what that...

that job usually offers you. And can we find out who held that position in the last, the last term? That's the chief of police probably. I just want to see something. You know, like when the cops investigate themselves. I've never even heard of this position in the, you know, in the city. So I'm just, I just want to know who was the last, what is it, head of criminal? Criminal Justice Advisor.

I don't know if it was really a role before. Who was the criminal justice advisor underneath the Eric Adams administration? I mean, listen, it makes more sense than making Ben Carson the head of urban development. He's a doctor of housing, whatever the fuck he did. I don't know. I love that our government could just make up fucking titles and give people shit. What if we find out that Eric Adams' girlfriend, that was her position last term? That would make sense, though.

She was the head of criminal. It would make sense because the Crip population is tripled in the last few years. Everybody gets put off. different. The Crip population. It was just bloods. Now it's running rampant with the ops. Anyways, what do we have on today's list before MISON cleans our city up? Mall, somebody told me over the weekend that you were thinking about upgrading to the all-new iPhone 17 Pro. They said you've been thinking about it for, I don't know, the last six months at this point, because it's designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever. But are you also thinking about

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albums from 2011, like it being an underrated year of music is going crazy. Like, still. No, it's like bled over into my personal life where friends are just calling me to debate years of hip-hop. Really? I think a lot of- You just never know what conversations are going to take. Like, how was that the conversation that's going crazy?

Our most viral clip is if you're talking about Pepsi. You really never know. That's why like when people would ask me for advice on podcast, digital marketing this and that, I used to give them answers. Now I just go, I have no idea. I have no idea what's going to work. I don't know. All hating Pepsi is the reason why people tune into our podcast apparently.

And the reason why we can't get a Pepsi sponsor. I think I was even debating that's the stupid clip. We shouldn't even put that out. Like that's dumb. Who the fuck is going to even like even want to listen to that? Right. Well, yeah. No, I've been debating a lot of my friends just on the phone about years.

And I've noticed a lot of my friends from mall's generation have been arguing 98 to me, which makes total sense. I've always understood 1998 being there. But I kind of feel like I can argue my era. Like, I think 05 is super underrated. O5 might be the worst year in rap. It was definitely a very strange. fucking time.

Yes. Snap music was taking over. I think that was probably when Nas decided that he wanted to title his album, Hip Hop is dead. It was a very,

very strange time. But if you go to 05, like, there still was great albums at that time. Late registration and documentary, okay,

two for two. B, comment, okay. Incredible. GZ, TM 101, classic. You said game documentary, Massacre,

Carter 2, Little Brother, Minstrel show, which is one of my favorite albums ever. were like 05, A-Z-A-Wall was crazy. I'd like the shout-out certified by David Banner because play is one of the greatest songs of all time.

Yeah, I was just texting with Royce yesterday. David Banner might be one of the most underrated producers that we have if you go through his catalog. We need to give David Banner way more flowers. Anytime he gets brought up, we should continue to do that. But that's a side note. I don't know. I think 05, yes, was hip-hop in probably one of the weirdest places ever?

It did look like it was going in a completely different direction. But you still get Tony Ayo thoughts of a predicate felon. That is straight out. Little Kim of the Naked Truth. What was a single on that? Was it, was it put your lighties up? I was about to say, was it lighters up? Yo, little Kim had some joints when I was in high school.

Like, people give her her 90s run, but they failed to mention the 2000s that she had. But yeah, I have 05 as one of my favorite underrated years. of hip-hop. Yeah, looking at this list, that was a, man, it's maybe six on there that's worth going back to. Paul Wall People's champ was a great album. Bunby Trill, great album. There's a lot of-

Shit, Jeez-y? Yeah, 101. Oh, B's dropped that year? Yeah. B-by-comin is a very important album, too, by the way. That is a certified classic album without question. I think, despite, the radio sounding

fucking insane. This was an incredible year for Haybop. It's some good I mean, this was the documentary to becoming Carter 2. I mean, that alone, there's definitely some great albums right there. How, like I haven't really thought this through and I'm not even trying to do like

shock value takes here. How upset would your generation be if I thought maybe 2000, 2010 could rival in 1990 to 1990? the year 2000 to 2000 well i guess it would be 2009 then i can't do 2000 to 2009 90s versus the 2000s i think yes the 90s probably get you there with absolute classic albums but i think it's closer than people would would think i don't think so i think the 90s is the greatest ever of music ever

period or just hip-hop hip-hop fair and r&b definitely r&b definitely r&b definitely r&b Yeah, you're not wrong with R&B. So now you're talking about hip hop in the 90s as far as albums. Yeah. It depends on what kind of hip hop you like, what your preference of hip hop is. Because if you want just straight hip hop, yeah. Like there were a couple. The fact that you got the snap era from 2000, 2010, that's in there, y'all lose.

But the snap era didn't, like, that was singles. Like that invented the ringtone. That invented what became streaming of a single. Like, people were still making great albums in the two. We still had the rap with the singing hook. Like that originated in the 90s, but it really jumped off in the 2000s. And I feel like that's such an important part of hip hop. I feel like it's what hip hop is missing now, honestly.

But the rap with the singing hook, that's 2000 shit, heavy. I would even know about that. Like I said, it started in the 90s, but that was the thing in the 2000s. You definitely listen to more music from the 90s than you do from the early 2000s. And rap not them. No, period in your life. No, I don't. I can name two Janet albums that you bang from the 90s, top to bottom, Whitney album, top the bottom, Mariah Carey, top the bottom.

Okay. Like, what we'll be doing? Okay. But I also listen to a lot of 2000s R&B. You listen to singles. No, I listen to albums. I have Destiny's trap. Confessions came out in the...

I was about to say, my top three favorite albums are from the 2000s, like R&B albums. Emancipation of Mimi, Channel Orange, all for you by Janet Jackson and Destiny Fulfilled by Destiny's Child. Those would be in my top five favorite albums. All of those are from the 2000s. Yo, voodoo, who is Jill Scott, Mama's Gun, Songs in A minor, Lovers Rock, 8701, emancipation of Mimi, the Diary of Alicia Keys, the ALEA album, Get Lifted, John Legend.

Don't see why you, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, See, I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. Get lifted as a classic album. Dream, love, hate. Shit, Neo's whole catalog, Justin, Future Sex, Love Sounds. Come on. Like, what are we talking? Chris Brown's first album, which I still to this day think is his best album, or at least one of the top three. Like, who are we doing? I also hate doing this, though, because, like, as much as, yeah, I do, like, agree that 98 is probably the best year of music. I was also eight. Like, I do remember it. But, like, Marlain. all can speak more to that than I can. Like to me, I have 2003 above it just because I was 13 and like really actually remember it and went and bought those CDs.

I had to really go back to appreciate 98. Like volumes, who was one of the first albums I bought, but like, I don't know. I was, I was young. I had no life experience trying to listen to capital punishment. I don't have like a connection of like I was outside with that. But like get rich, I was outside. What do you remember about 98 in music mall? Like, what did it feel like outside?

Was it hot? Was it like? No, because I remember, no, me. It was dark and hell was hot. No, because I remember 2016. I remember what the air felt like when fucking the life of Pablo dropped. Like, what did it feel like in 98? What albums do you remember?

Memories do you remember from that time? I mean, when Jay dropped Hard Knock Life, I think that was a Obviously Jay was You know he was making noise And he was he was hot before You know hard knock like But when that hard knock like

When the songs dropped Not even the album When the song dropped You were one of the kids in the chorus right No fuck you You could literally From that point on You can see how

Music Business Like a lot of things changed Because that was the beginning of Jay's ascension into like becoming a superstar and then becoming a mogul and things like that based off of that one song like that the hard knock life song changed jay's entire trajectory but then you also had dmx dropping i think two albums that year yep um both one number one it was um you know we don't talk about him

more he's ex out from the culture but the r album r kelly what that did that year um juvenile and what you know cash money started doing around that time It was just a it was just a Lauren Hill The Miseducation album came out 98 That little mixtape Yeah just a little something She put together

Just to feed the streets Like that was that was a year of You know These are legends that we talk about That all dropped and was in the ecosystem that year Brandy never say never I was gonna say that's my favorite brandy album Yeah like it was just the music

And then not only the music Something else that We don't really pay a lot of attention to videos. The way videos started looking around 98, 99, that's when you started to see

like, you know, our cultures was like, these are superstars. You started seeing them on the TRLs and things like that and different networks, seeing them, you know, if it was like an MTV, beach house thing, you see a bunch of white kids

on spring break, like dancing to like DMX and Jay and these guys and you're like, what the fuck? like everybody fuck with these dudes. So 98 was definitely a pivotal year in the culture as far as music, but also I think business too. Like around that time, you know,

people started to really pay attention to their brands and wanting to do things outside of music. Just like everything, just the energy shifted in 98. Was it a Black Star was 98 too, right? Most definitely, quality. Probably, yeah. Just looking at that list, though, Outcast Equipment, Lauren Hill, big pun, JZ, two DMX albums,

Juvenile, Brandy. yeah that that that that's a wild 365 days yeah that like you may go broke going to the fucking CD store for that but I mean oh three again is just probably more I mean de Maris we're four years apart so oh three that may be actually a big gap for us because I was 13 I was in third grade yeah yeah demaris don't know what 2003 was pull up two thousand three was you knew about all the new snacks but she ain't know nothing about no music though okay so don't do that don't do that don't do that because all the new snacks. Don't.

So what I remember about 03, right? My favorite JZ album is the Black album. Okay. And I don't want to make this the Hovecast. But that introduced, I would say that that, I don't want to say introduced me to hip hop, right? Because I grew up on hip hop. My dad was a DJ. The way my dad played that album, that introduced me to a love of hip hop.

The Black album is probably the first hip-hop album I can recite from top. I was able to recite from top to bottom. Like, you said, I have. have a very special connection to that album because it never stopped playing. And then when the fucking the DVD with mall in it, that one, yeah. When he gave Maw's, whatever, that, that one is. What DVD was on?

He gave me the key to the city or whatever. It fades right. Yeah. Rory always jokes around. That, like, I remember. That was 2003? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Damn. I remember my dad saying, yo, Jay is retiring. Like, I remember like that. Like, it means a lot to me. Like, that was, to me. That was, to me, I'm sure I could be to bed. It felt like first superstar rap album of all time to me. Like, Jay became a superstar at that time, in my opinion.

Black album? Yeah, I hadn't seen that. Like, yeah, we went to the theaters to watch Fade to Black. Like, it felt like the first superstar thing hip hop it had to me. I know people older than me would maybe call me crazy. But to me, it was like, oh, this isn't just something I like the whole world. like my my mom knew what the fade to black movie was so yeah oh three kind of felt like that shift but just at 13 i got get rich jzy black album t i trap music outcast speakerbox love below

diplomatic immunity um diary of leetia keys dangerously in love i mean we he's canceled from the culture but chocolate chocolate factory might be the best archailey elf like there was just a lot that year uh ludicrous chicken and beer is a personal classic to me. Trying to think what else. According to hip hop, that's the hip hop oracle. I mean, to me that he defines

his name is hip-hop. 98 to 03 is Jay's peak. So that makes sense. 98, all-knock life. O'3 was the concert, Fade the Black. Coming off the blueprint. Like, yeah.

That, for sure. He's a piece of shit, but that R. Kelly J. That part of the show and fade to black. Oh, they're wearing white and all that? Oh, my gosh. I see I was there

It's a difference when you watching it And when you was in the garden that night Like I watched you on theaters I was like holy shit How do I get a white jacket That energy was Like insane

Like them just standing on stage Like not saying nothing All white Like that energy That moment was like That's when to me One of the moments in hip hop Where it was like

Damn you could really be from the hood And become a star in this shit Yeah yeah my favorite moment of that that movie is when slick Rick has the pillowcase and is given all his jewelry to ghost face so he'd go perform summertime with bionthe yeah that was like the coolest shit i've ever seen in my life slick rig just pulling up like yeah yeah i got you and just giving him all the jewelry crazy um great time and music it's gonna sound crazy but bad boys two soundtrack was also o three one of my favorite soundtrack what was the song on there uh shake your tail feather with someone else that was canceled who someone else that was canceled Shake your tail, father.

Murphy, Lee, Nellie and Ditty. Oh, shit, yes. No, that record's fire. Shake your tail, feather. Amy Winehouse, Frank, we got no three. Oh, wow. Yeah. No, it was a year.

That was one hell of a year. Oh, shit, Neptunes, clones. I mean, I know Maul was definitely Bumper Genuine the senior. It's his favorite genuine album. Bubba Sparks, Deliverance. I'm not making jokes. This is a really good album.

Nah, M.A. Marcus Houston. Don't play. Oh, yeah. You're not wrong? Fab Street Dreams 03. I don't know, man. O3 is up there, though.

The Cheetah girls' album came out in 03? Yeah, we wasn't bumping that. See, you see how excited you got for that? Well, that's y'all. That's y'all. That's your got no play. That shit got no. Hey, come on now.

Hater's going hate. Hater's going to hate. I'm not. That just wasn't in our like, you know what I? And players going to play it. We didn't. You just a hater. No, we didn't play that.

We just didn't get a chees- Ball is they going to ball. You're playing Destiny's child. though. They were, they tried to make them like the mini. That's cheetah girl. That's cheetah girl. No, nigger.

Oh, my bad. I'm sorry. We were bumping cheetah girls. We were bumping cheetah girls. At 13, I had, well, shit. At 35, I still have crushers on all three of them. It was four of them. You conveniently forgot the white one.

No, did they drop her? No, she was in the movie, but she wasn't in the group when they put music out. Yes, she was. Oh, I don't know. I don't think she was singing. No, no. When they were actually 3LW, they, they,

that girl wasn't in there was only three LW She's not in three little women But neither is Raven Ravens not in three O W either Wait only one wait is it one girl from Two girls from sheater girls Yeah, 3LW

Yeah Didn't Cameron write like the hit record for 3LW? You fucking lying. I swear to God I think Cameron wrote that Wait Cameron 3 LW

It's funny when you find out like Yeah no more Yeah Cameron wrote no more for 3LW Please. Broken promises. Promises. Yeah.

That's Kenron's pin. Computers be put. No, now if you really listen to that flow, that's Ken. Broken promises. You think there's a reference track of Can with the list. Absolutely. Promises promises. In the chip page of seeing different numbers and numbers.

Oh, shit. Now you can hear Cam, right? You can hear Cam. Now what you said, you can hear Cam. Yo. Oh, man. That's hilarious. Now I got to look at one.

what else Camden wrote? Like, yeah, again, it's just funny hearing those stories of like, Nause writing Big Willie style, 50 writing Puff's verse on a, let's get it. Like, one of the most iconic Diddy verses is just a young Curtis Jackson. Crazy. My name is Diddy. I run this city. Like, he went to now executive producing the record.

It's just crazy. Life is just. It's awful. It comes back, man. So maybe they should have Cameron on the view. Isn't she on the view now? The one that girls were thrilled up?

Yeah. Adrian Baylon. Adrian Belong? Yeah. She's still on the view? I thought they switched that cast so much. I don't know who's on the view no more. Cam was on,

Cam wrote part of Crush on you by Lo Kim. He has writing credits on Crush on You. And gone by Kanye was. Well, I mean, he's. He wraps on it. Yeah, that makes sense. Sorry. My bad.

I think it's writing credits on Purple Hayes, too. Camp? Maybe. I gotta have. Fuck y'all. That come home with the album, I think. Yeah, he's on there, too. It pens all over that.

Yeah, he's on there. He's on there. So, yeah, I think, I think we made a good case that 2011 can hang when it's not brought up the way. Like, I'm even looking at Complex, which, again, greatest publication of all time until they take us off a list. I don't even think they put 2011 on their top 20. And I think that shit could be in the top five. so we crack the code on that one.

It's not enough in 2011. To not make the top 20? Let me see. Take care. Watch the throne. Section 80. Section 80. Okay.

What else we got up there? See? That's it gets. No, it's still there because you get you have take care, watch the throne. Sean finally famous. Lupé, Lasers, Beyonce 4. Like we went through the clip that one viral. talk that talk.

Weekend, cocaine 80s, Frank Ocean, like, it's there. I'm gonna add a boring this way by Lady Gaga, which is like,

well, revered. I'm not saying it it needs to be top three, but the fact that Complex doesn't even have it

on its top 20 is like. Yeah, with those albums you just named alone, it could be top 20. That's the same. Yeah. But I mean, I guess, I don't know,

my three just because of my age. But I was kind of mad. My birth year wasn't on this shit. My year was trash. It wasn't shit going on, including your birth. Like, wasn't, like, when nobody checked for that year. Even when you was born, it was a lot of women's shit during child. Wait, let's see who, let's see who has the best birth year out of all three of us.

Because I feel like my birth year. Here comes the fucking meteorologist. I feel like my birth year going to smoke you niggins. What year was you boy? 94. Was Saturn rising at the time? Just tell us why yours would be. Actually, 94 is number one in the complex.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right. So you're 81, right? Yeah. All right. 81 first.

90, 94. Demaris is, without me looking, I feel like Damaris is probably going to clean us the fuck up. Only seven albums came out of 80. Oh, all albums, Josh. Not just hip hop. Yes. Took a while to press those albums back.

Yeah. Only seven albums came out of 1981. Okay. So 81. One channel. All right. We got face value, Phil Collins. All right.

I'm in the game. We got Phil. Who else we got? Wait, what's on that fill album? Face value? Yeah. Like, was that one of those fill albums? Like,

I feel like if one more night is on there. Okay, then yeah, I guess. Oh, God, in the air tonight, 1981. One of the greatest songs ever, one of the greatest songs ever came out the year I was born, Rory. That might be the greatest song of all the time. One of the greatest songs ever in the air tonight. See, it was something in the air tonight when I was born.

Street Songs by Rick James was an album that came out. And that was, that has super freak and give it to me baby on it. So, come on. First of all, Luther Vangelo's never too much came out on 19. Yeah. So. Yeah.

I mean, I'm feeling like 81 was the greatest year of music. That's how just how I'm feeling. That's just how you feel? Yeah, that's just how I feel right now. What's on the Earth, went and fire? A raise out offhand, I don't know. And Stevie Wonder hotter than July. Come on, man.

One of the greatest artists ever. I'm just saying 81 was a great year. It was a great year as far as I'm concerned. We got some important albums. some important artists in 1981. Oh, wait, hold on. Gat Band 3 came out then, too. Yarning for your love came out in 1981.

All right, that's cool. Some great songs. Some great songs. Great artists. All right, Rory, you're what, 91? 90. 90. Oh, fuck.

Go to yours. All right, let's go. Elbe of DeVoe, Poison. Okay. L.L. Cool J. Mama said knock you out. Okay. Cool G rap, Wanted Dead or Alive.

One of the most underrated rap albums. America's most won at Ice Cube. Damn. Brand new being. one for all. See, but that's not fair because by that time, hip hop was a little older. So it's like,

you know what I mean? Hip hop was still so young when I was born. It was like, see what I'm saying? Johnny Gill. Self-titled album. Not even was kind of weird, but I'm all right here.

Now, you got some good albums, though. Okay, now go to mine, please. Thank you, 94. Fucking Illmatic, ready to die. Like, what we, like, what we doing? Elmatic, ready to die. Ready to Die. Outcast, Southern Playlist

to Cadillac, Funkie Music, Warren G, regulate, gangst are hard to earn, common resurrection. Yeah. A.J. Nothing but a number. Crazy, sexy, cool. Black Street. Brandy. Super tight. Dang. Come on. I'll get up on it by Keith Sweat.

Mariah's Christmas album. My Life Mary J came out. Oh, yeah. No, it's not even close. Above the Rim soundtrack. The best of Sardé. Yeah, that's one of the best. Boys to Men, too. Crazy.

sexy cool came yeah yeah what we doing yeah that's that's a lot of shit that's let me know what we doing yeah that's too many that's too many records you bragging when maul was only one listening to those albums in 1994 you and i were yeah that's what i can speak to it like those are some classic album rhythm of love anita baker the fact that illmatic ready to die crazy sexy cool like those are like three iconic albums two by boys to men came out and that's like huge boys to men I mean to me 2016 would have to be my my version of 94 of like

actually remembering all iconic albums being put out in one year like the last iconic year 2016 is the last last iconic year for 2020 you might have something to say 2020 is an underrated year music We have something to say

Because of the pandemic But when you go and look at the music That we got in 2020 We got some great albums in 2020 We got great albums We got great shows on television in 2020 Like it was a weird year But artistically it was a great year

I hear what you guys are saying But even like where 2016 Kind of beats everyone For some reason that year Was the cycle that every A list artist put out, not only an album, one of their best albums in their catalog. Yeah. Are you fucking with Drake Views, Anderson Pack Malibu, Salon, seat at the table,

Tribe Call Quest, we got it from here. No worries, yes, Lord. Free Black, coloring book, blank face LP, lemonade, untitled. Wait, what year was this? 2016. Oh, I was that I was saying, 2020. No name, Seth, like, this is Donald Glover, Awakened My Love, Weekend, Starboy. you got Life of Pablo then two

Party Next Door 3 like Bruno Mars 24K Magic Shrem Life 2 Anti Rihanna Yeah like I Big Sean and

Janay 288 Jay Cole for your eyes only which by the way I revisited I may O'Col a little bit of apology for how much I should on that album

Yeah you do What was it? It's definitely still in my opinion the bottom of his catalog but when I say bottomist catalog, it's J-Col. It's a legend in rap. That doesn't mean it's bad.

It's just at the bottom to me as far as catalog go. But I went back to it. I gave it a lot of shit. I should have lived with it some more. I think neighbors might have been the biggest record on there. I'm not going to say it's his American gangster, where it's like years later you realize maybe it's one of his best, but it's better than the shit I gave it.

Okay, that's fair. Yeah. Like, I mean, the outro I always loved, but I mean, that's some of his best rapping ever. But, like, imagine it if we got KOD instead of that, though, in 2016. I would say it would rival 94, 98, and everything at that point. But I still think that 2016 is probably the best year in music in the 2000s. Yeah. Those albums are insane.

I'm with Pige. I think it was the last iconic year of music. And they weren't just like, it wasn't just like all the greats dropped in album because there's some, there's like one or two other years like that. I think it was all the greats dropped their best album. It was like, or at least the fan favorite. Like my favorite Beyonce album is probably Lemonade. My favorite Rihanna album is inside. You know what I'm saying?

Like my favorite Kanye album. And it goes on and on. So it's, yeah. You know what's one thing I noticed? What? Like, as much as I like know Beyonce is incredible, she's like an amazing artist, I really don't listen to Beyonce. And that's okay.

No, but I'm saying, like, it's, it's, crazy. Like when I think about it, I'm like, she puts out incredible albums, incredible songs, but I really can't tell you a time where I actually went and like put on, outside of when the album first come out just to hear what she gave us, what she did. Because it's not your vibe. But that's why when I, when me and you get into it all the time when I'm like, just because you listen to it more doesn't make it the greatest. We say that, I tell you that all the time. Something can be great and just not be what you want to hear all the time. Oh, no, for sure. I'm not. I would never argue that but it's like it's almost like weird how much i don't listen to biontie and how much i

recognize like she's one of the greatest artists ever for i think my personal take is she's one of the few artists that the second half of her solo catalog is better than the first like every bioncé album has gotten at her somehow because she's grown as a producer as an artist like four isn't is an incredible incredible papa four on and like mother matured Beyonce is the greatest. Like, I hear you, like, I don't go back to, I don't listen to like Sasha Fier's album like that. I don't listen to Dangerously in Love like that.

But I listen to Lemonade, Beyonce, Cowboy Carter, like, religiously throughout the week. Like, I will throw lemonade on in the car at any time. The B-Day people are going to kick your ass about that because there's, there's a B-Day like stand club. Oh, Beyonce doesn't have a bad album. No, what I mean, I'm just talking about, like, there's a, there is a part of the internet that will say B-Day is Beyonce's best album. and they will fight you on that.

I used to think it was four. It's the most arm. Four is the most R&B, so that makes sense. But I mean, I don't know. I think Beyonce and Lemonade can rival it. Like, her latter half of her career to me has so much replay value. What was going on in y'all love lives when Lemonade drop? Where was that, 2016?

Mm-hmm. I was in a relationship. Man, I was just a fucking, the spirit of the Jezebel. was all over me. Did you get a lemonade song dedicated to you? I feel like every man at that time that was a piece of shit had a lemonade song dedicated to. I can't even remember, but the Jezebel spirit

was just all over me. I think, Pete, correct me if I'm wrong. I think we did Paloza in Miami the day, because didn't Lemonade drop on like HBO with the videos or something? Wasn't there like a movie or something? Yes. And I remember coming back to our Airbnb

after Paloosa. and just like the timeline just hating men. And we're like, yeah, what the fuck just happened? We couldn't even get chicks back to the spot. It was just man-hater day. Yeah, because that was the album when her and Jay was going through their thing, right?

Well, I think they had gotten through it. Yeah, but she put it all on the album. Like, she talked about it. Like, yeah, I remember that. Don't even get, like, don't let me nerd out about. Lemonade is perfectly sequenced for a breakup grieving process. Like, all the stages of grief starts from track one all the way to the end of forgiveness.

Like, that album is so deep if you really get into it. Even to the point with the weekend record is placed right where like, you know what, fuck this. I'm gonna go through my whole phase. Like, fuck him. You know, I'm gonna go out and fuck people. Like, and then it gets back to like, man, fuck these streets. I'm missing.

I'm gonna forgive them. Like, it's legitimately a breakup in one cycle of the sequence. It's such a brilliant album. Like, it's incredible. How they even fit that into a pop and R&B album with the right? writing is insane to me. That might be her most important album. I definitely think it is.

Hands down. It might not be her best album, but it's her most important now. I think it's the best too. Even once you get into the whole phase, then you got to get into your relationship with your pops and why you even chose this guy that cheated on you. Man, don't, please. Like, it's a whole, it's a whole,

I know it's cliche to say with albums like, this is a therapy session. That shit is a legitimate breakup therapy session in one album. I have to be in a good place to listen to Lemonade. Like, I can't listen to Lemonade and be in a bad, place. I can't. Pray you catch me is one of the greatest intros of all of all. It's probably, and that's probably one of my favorite Beyonce songs. I pray.

I pray. Love drought is one of my favorite Beyonce songs of all time. Love drought is my favorite Beyonce song of all time. And all night outro shit? Come on. I never made it all night because I never forgave him. You never wanted to kiss up and rubble? Nah, kiss up and rubble up and fill up on them. Nah. You're talking about sandcastles. They washed away.

Fuck all that. I turn it off at at the daddy song, daddy lessons. And then after she forgives her king and all men are important again, we get a just blaze in Beyonce record. Freedom is the craziest beat ever. Like the fact that they had never worked together is kind of nuts to me too. What was, why did she put that song?

What was that attached to? I mean, there was some things going on in 2016. Yeah. Yeah, but I can't, like, so much should happen in the last 10 years. That was kind of like the start of the Black Lives Matter movement. Yeah, Black Lives Matter of 2015-6-AIDS. Yeah. I knew it was something.

I couldn't remember what it was. We're not talking about the LLC results. We're not talking about the LLC residents. The movement. That had actual substance. Not the people that took money in. No, no, I got it. I know exactly.

It's going to work there. Yeah, it was that's when that started to. That was a good time. But I don't know about most important. I think most important it might be the Beyonce album. The Beyonce album changed music. Yeah. It was, I mean,

Craveen for wrong, it's the first, like, actual surprise album. What's that song on it? I can't believe that me, myself and I? That's dangerous thing in love, baby.

That might be Beyonce's best album. If you were to play family feud men's favorite Beyonce song, it would be me myself. Yo, that album? Love on top, but also, oh God, I'm gonna think of it in a second.

hold it. I signed four, but yeah. Love on Top video, new edition. Back to our new edition conversation. I can't remember Love on Top. It's a very similar. It has a new edition vibe, the treatment of them in the, like that rec center dancing and shit. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. They definitely like we're doing the old song is hard. Like you got to be in the dance studio by yourself. Like if you wasn't in a dance studio by yourself rehearsing in your video, the song wasn't a hit. Like every great R&B song had that one Like that great artist had that one video where It's just them and the dance studio mirrors by themselves Like you got it.

That's like part of like every artist want that video Like I need that video which is me in a dance studio And we just I just want to talk about who started Is the in the dance studio by yourself I don't think Janna started that It's the pleasure principle She might have not New Edition was before that I think

Yeah new edition of death before that I think is this if this if this this isn't love was might have been before that. Really? Yeah. It might be. Yeah. It might be.

If this isn't love might be before pleasure principle. Is the dance studio the same as the laying down on your album cover? Is that the equivalent? Okay. If this isn't love is 88. Yeah. I think pleasure principle was right after that, right? Pleasure Principle was 86, baby.

Now, for respect. Okay. See, that's close. I was young. I was young and I was only five, you know what I'm saying? But I remember, I remember this around the same time. But okay, pleasure principle. Look at Ralph just biting.

Yeah. I mean, listen, that was Janet. Listen, it is what it is. That was Ms. Jackson. I'm sure there was somebody before that. Oh, yeah, yeah. They made it iconic, though. I'll even put Cowboy Carter pretty high on Beyonce's discography list.

That has more replay value than shit to me than B-Dade, Sasha Fier's Dangerously, Love. You're wrong. And that's okay. Replay value to me. Oh, okay. Of course, Dangerous Love, I think all fucking 16 records are hits. But yeah, Cowboy Carter, other than Hip-O-Star, that might be my favorite Beyonce's album, Dangerous song.

Yeah, hip-hop star. At the time, though. It was asked in two. In 2003, I gave a little, what's the Jay-Z gift when you, I was doing that a little bit. Okay, I see you take it. He was trying to catch that. You couldn't catch it either.

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Walden University, set a course for change, certified to operate by chef. Yeah, that's Beyonce's best album. What? Once I sort of covered, that's her best album, dangerously in love. I guess.

I don't know. When the last time y'all loved somebody like dangerously in love too? Like, when was the last time y'all loved somebody like that? Oh, shit. I don't know. What do you mean by dangerously in love?

That bitch said, like, I'm dangerously in love with you. Like, it's like, I'll never leave. My bitch that every time I see your face, my heart smiles. Created in this world to love, to hold, to breathe, to feel, to live you. Yeah, that's probably crazier than cater to you. Hey, man, look, man. Yeah, I ain't make enough money yet for them to love me like that.

Yeah, that's. Yeah, you got to make it, you got to be in a certain bracket for them to love you like that. Yeah, that's kind of crazy. Yeah, dangerously in love yet, nah. Shit, even, um, why I'm blanking him. What's the? Jay Z and Beyonce's first record that they ever did that's on Dangerously in Love.

Bonnie and Cloud? No. Crazy in Love. Even the lyrics. That was that first song? Crazy in Love is kind of sick if you get into the lyrics. That's Jay and Beyonce's first song again? I think.

I thought Bonnie and Clyde was. Well, they both came out the same year. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I thought Crazy and Love was like, you know, their IG reveal. That was. It definitely was.

he no longer was the Rolex and the forearm. Like they was outside with it. Yeah. Damn, yo. Yo, look at what you did to me. Yeah, she went kind of nuts on crazy. I'm just saying, baby, I can't go anywhere without thinking that you there. Seems like, yeah, everywhere is true.

That I mean, oh, that's deja vu. Wrong song. Sorry. You just be all like, look at you. You just get your life together. Get your fucking life together. Same girl I didn't make it to all night on lemonade. It's saying that.

I never ride. You can't make it that all night. I wish more engineers did podcast interviews because like I would love to know what it was like the day like she walks out the booth after cutting love on top. Like what that feeling has to be like of like there's only three people in the world that know we have one of the most undeniable records of all time. Like what does that feel like? And do you know? Do you know? Yeah.

In the moment, do you know like that's going to. I think it's hard to like really know. if like certain records, I think, like, I'm guessing that when fucking Michael Jackson and them did Thriller, everybody in the studio knew like, all right, this is, it's over. See, you know what, though? I think songs like that, no, because I think songs like that are a risk. That's not a proven formula. Thriller?

I think it's a risk. I don't think anybody imagines that Thriller becomes with Thriller. And Thriller was built. Yeah. Like, because then they had to go do the most iconic video ever, like. It was built. The video made the song. The song is an amazing song.

Can you just drop Thrull on SoundCloud with no visual? I don't know if it has the same trajectory. At that time? Crazy as hell. I'd have been like, what the fuck is this? This is the greatest song I've never heard of my life. I'm not taking away from the song. But you get the video because it came with the video.

The video, the reason why they put the emphasis on the thrill of video like that is because the record, the song. And then at that time, Michael was like, yo, he is the biggest star of music. right now. And that was more of the formula back. I'm not comparing it to like say, Childish Gambino, this is America. That needed a visual. Like you like you weren't like if he just dropped that record like you're not like, it was cool. Yeah. But I'm like, thrill it. No. Yeah. I'm not comparing it in that way where it's like this needs a visual to land. But that did build like you equate it to the visual. Wow. You have to. Yeah.

So that down to the choreography like even single ladies undeniable. The choreography and it being presented that way made this story even bigger. Which is crazy because the video dropped a year after the album dropped. That's what I'm saying. It was the song. He's a lot thriller. Yeah. Yeah, it was the song.

It was, that's one of those ones where any, the engineer, the producer, like everything is just like they know like, no, this is we've, we've, everything about this song is, perfect. We have to ask Quincy though. He's still talking? Quincy has passed away and resting with the angels, man. Yes.

I wish we would have gotten one more interview from him so we could tell us. Rest the piece to the legend. Who created COVID? Quincy Jones, Demaris. Do I have dementia? He died last year.

Last year. Yeah. Oh, you're right. He did. We talked about it. And we read his most iconic interview. Yeah. Once he told us that Marvin Gayne and Richard Pry was fucking.

He said, he told us who killed JFK and then went, Yo, so you like Brazilian food? Another day. Don't worry about it. That's what he asked to interview. I feel so bad if I asked if he's still talking and he's dead. That feels so bad.

It's okay. I don't know if we've asked you this before, but was there songs that you heard in the studio and was like that we all know and love now with what you were like, oh, yeah, that's. They got one there. Other side. Jay's PSA. Oh, for sure. You know, when I heard that, I knew the city was going to flip upside down when that shit truck. The story of that is crazy from what Just Blaze said.

He was doing press at baseline for the Black album, like already. And Just Blaze was making that in the B room while Jay was going back and forth to do press. And he heard it and would do an interview, run in and do two lines. Do an interview, run back, do two more lines. Like, that's crazy. Yeah, when they played that, that was like, that song was played so much in bass line. line. Yeah. When I heard PSA, I was, I definitely, I was like, yeah, this is, this is definitely going to go crazy. And sure enough, I think Flex made a debut, that probably makes sense.

But I just like, I'd like to ask Just Blaze what that car ride home was. He burnt it on to a CD driving back to Jersey, like, just knowing you got this. Yeah, that was one, that was an undeniable where everybody that heard that in the studio was like, Jesus Christ. Did, did y'all feel that way about Lucifer? Because I heard Lucifer when I don't think Lucifer wasn't a single before the album. No. No, yeah. Yeah, that was album cut.

Yeah, I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that one until the album came out. And then I obviously, I couldn't really listen to that. But yeah. I mean, even in the Fade to Black movie, it was like, Kanye just playing that shit. And like, Jay's like, wait, what the fuck is that? Yeah. Yeah.

That was another one of those ones, though. I've asked Guru that question before of like, what's it like to just know you have that? He compared it. He said, when you guys interviewed Push your T, and then you went home. That night, you knew that you had something that tomorrow was going to stop the world. He's like, do you remember that?

I was like, yeah, I remember hitting the group chat. Like, yo, y'all, I'm no idea what the fuck we're about to drop tomorrow. So yeah, I guess I understand that anticipation, but obviously not to that degree. I could never imagine making the blueprint and driving home. Like, just having harder the city on a burnt CD,

like wait till the world hears this. Like, this is insane. So I know they be called. This is my thing. And they can lie and say that they. don't. I know they be calling they bitches, the ones they know they can trust and be like, you got to hear this. You got a pillow talk that hit records before they come out. Yeah. There's no way. Of course. We even saw, I mean, shout to our brother, uh, Quentin Miller. When we interviewed him,

I mean, a lot of the reason why shit was leaky was like, of course I was playing that for bitches. You don't think my reference for Drake, I wasn't playing for people? Yeah, you have to almost. Like, like, come on. You working with the biggest artist. Like, what are we talking about? I have to get that off. Like, I got to bring my chicks that I like to the studio and just play it. And then they know that the biggest artist is about to record on this. Like, that's part of it. You have to.

That's part of the whole moment of the record. Yeah. Because even, like, when, which I'm snitching on myself, we talked about it with gigs. Like, when Jay did the God did verse. And I was there right after he recorded it with Guru. And he was probably like, all right, Jay's rapping for like six minutes. like I ran right back. I was like, Kia, I heard a six minute Jay-Z verse.

Like, yeah, I started, I started talking about it immediately. Did Guru play that over the phone for me? I feel like he did. I called you. Yeah. He called gigs. When you have something, you call people like, you can't. I think you called me too.

Probably. Like, I remember hearing parts of it. I think you called me too. I was sitting there and fucking, all. And you was like trying to remember the verse. Oh, yeah. No, I was definitely trying to memorize J's verse. and I've wrapped, because where Jungle Studios is and where I was staying was like walking distance.

And I was, I was rapping that shit to myself walking. I was like, what did he say again? Ew. Yeah, Drake, Drake sent me a record that might change my life, but I don't know if it's going to make that album. Change your life? Oh, so you're mentioned in it. Niggas said, mall. No, he didn't say mall.

All right. He said, niggas said, maw. Baby D. No. He didn't. If it doesn't make the album. Nick took her to the mall for podcast and equipment. she just want to win.

Maybe he didn't say that. Okay. Drake rapping mall is fine. Drake rapping the words podcast equipment would be the funniest fucking thing of all time. But if it doesn't make the album, don't worry because Stove God shout you out on the verse on my album. He did. Shout him all out. That nigga is from the Bronx.

I'm here. That is true. I was very pivotal in putting the world on the stove god, okay? That is definitely true. They killed me on the internet for saying that. Even to the point that he shouts Mall out at the end of the verse. I moved the shout out to the beginning of the first. In between the verses.

Shout out my God stole, you know what? Let me put ball in this little, this dead air right here. Shout out my God stole. They killed me for say, like when I sat on the internet because they were like, Rory and Ma don't put people on in no new artists. And I'm like, I was like half of y'all wouldn't know who a lot of Grisota is without Rory and Maugh

back in those days. Obviously now, of course. But back when like y'all weren't listening to them. Black and Daniel Caesar both have personally thanked me for the first person in media to ever say their name. Yeah, you can't pay that no lot. People forget. That's hilarious.

But to be fair, a lot of people were not probably listening to us in 2016, 2017, when a lot of those guys we were playing. So, you know, they missed it. I had, like, seen the fly god artwork, but Maul was the first person for sure to, like, force me to have to sit and be like, it's not only Westside gun, this guy Conway. And then, like, one of their cousins or some shit is insane. wanted her cousins. Like happened to be Benny to butcher. Just was Benny. Like,

y'all never heard of this, too? Yeah. We get a Nause album this week. Yes, we do. We get a Nause album this week. We get a Conway album, same day. So yeah,

rap. It's a lot of rap this week. A lot of good raps. I'm excited to hear what Massapil did with this Naz DJ premiere album. We're saying it casually like this is not. The way we talked about 2016,

we're getting a Nause and DJ premiere album. Finally. Finally is happening. I saw a rumor and it was Twitter, so it's true. Maybe it was just because they took a photo, but there was some Rome Street's Nas talk. What do you mean? As far as working together.

On this album? Yeah. But the track list, there's only one feature on this album. I saw that. It's just AZ, right? Yeah. But I don't know. People were in the Rome Street side of Twitter,

they were saying they're working and I don't know if it's wrongs project. Because they got a picture together? Yeah, but there was more evidence. You know, they break everything down on Twitter and Reddit. Yeah. But I would love to see that. I mean, that's just great queen shit. Great for Rome.

Rome deserves it. And I know, I know Nas this year, paid attention and listened to everything. Nas listened to that. But guys like that, the rap is the real MCs. They pay attention to, even if they're not motivated or inspired by the current climate and rap, they always still pay attention to what's going on. Who are the new guys that are, you know, holding a pen to a certain stuff. standard like so naz j and you know guys like that they always in tune like artists that are on to

come up that don't think that those guys know about them if you're dope they definitely know who you are yeah yeah i mean the studio sessions i've been in with j cole all he does is sit on youtube and like he see he literally sees everything like every you have when you're that at that level and you pay attention to that like you're that meticulous with the with the craft you definitely know about all of the guys that are bubbling and that are making noise that's even how I discovered that Donald Glover interviewed Chief Keith. Mm-hmm. Jay Cole stopped everyone in the studio and said,

Donald Glover just interviewed Chief Keith. It's quite possibly the funniest fucking interview I've ever seen in my life. I just saw a clip of, I shout out of Vince Staples. I got Vince Staples. He did an interview with, I forgot the young lady's name. Zeeway?

Yes. No, her show is a little. She's so funny. I just love Vince, man. I just didn't watch the whole thing. I saw some clips too, but, yeah. The way he answers questions. because Vince has this, he has his demeanor about him.

And I don't know if with the relationship between Vince and ZOAR, if they just met during this interview or not. But like, as someone that's sitting across from Vince, if it's your first time and you're asking questions, you really think he's being an asshole. Like he has that thing about him where you like, he's being a dick. But this is really who Vince really.

I'm talking about cameras off. That's exactly what Vince would have said. For sure. To all of those questions. And maybe it's because I'm an asshole. I don't think he comes across as an asshole. I see why people would think that. But he's king sarcasm and so is...

No, he's not being sarcastic. That's what I'm about saying. It's not sarcastic. Cameras off, that would have been his answer. That would have been his response to those questions. Like this is like him just in the studio kicking it like and just having a conversation. Like this is exactly who Vince is. I do have to watch this full interview because I only saw some of the clips.

But check out the Zeeway interview with Vince Staples. From what I saw, it looks like. Like it's hilarious. Even like when he was talking to Speedy, he was like, you let people at your house? He wasn't being sarcastic. Yeah,

he didn't understand that. He couldn't even understand how speedy was asking him. Like, what you mean? Like, come to my house? Like, what you mean? Like, what you mean? Like, you cook for your friend?

What the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah. I hope season three gets picked up. Oh, it will. I mean, especially with everything Netflix is going. Yeah. I mean, they should have the capital. Yeah.

Season two, the numbers that Netflix and Paramounts throwing around. fucking crazy. They just up there just playing all kind of games with billions. I got 82 billion for you. Yeah, I got a hundred and eight for you. So y'all niggas is up here playing with $200 billion. Like, y'all just up here,

it's niggas, homeless, homeless, all kinds of shit. And y'all just in this office throwing around $200 billion. Like, can we Google how much money is in the world? It's how much, how much money is in that? Money doesn't make any sense. How much money is in that Warner Brothers parking lot right now? Yeah.

That's what we need to Google. Well, what year was it when money actually technically didn't exist because the rate of money printed versus what the golds that it used to be represented. So physical cash is around $9 to $10 trillion, while the broader money supply is roughly $90 to $120 trillion. A total global wealth is much higher nearing $470 trillion or more showing most value isn't physical currency but digital assets. So that shit ain't real. So physical currency, nine to $10 trillion. Even the rate of which we value money from certain countries,

compared to ours, is made up. I'm not one of those people that thinks everything Kanye West says is profound, but when he did ask Joe Rogan, how much do you think the world costs? Like, that really did actually fuck with my mind. I was like, no, I'm not being one of those Kanye people, but he has like, that's a really interesting question. How much debt is the world? And it just came out yesterday, right?

Who are we in debt to? You mean the U.S.? The world? Just go to Union Square. I told you they got the debt clocker. No, though, that's not the world debt. That's our debt. I'm saying world debt because who is the world?

Who yet? Who are we in debt to? You mean the U.S.? No, the whole kind. Look. The U.S. The world debt is narrowing $346 trillion by late 2025. Is that all the country's debt to each other?

I believe so. China and Japan, U.S. Yeah. What I don't understand is why can't like the country just file chapter level? like I mean, I know that gets you in a great depression, but like we should, we should just files. I don't, I don't want, we got it. I don't want Omar to have to pay this shit back. Like, can we file?

Can we file? Can we just start at zero? Oh, man. I mean, I'm sure the US will build its credit back up. I mean. Demaris is giving us the wrap it up thing because, you know, she's part of the Illuminati. Now we're starting to ask the real questions and now she wants us to get off the mic. Damn.

Got you got. U.S. Debt Clock.org. I'm sure that I'm sure this is really a dot-gov if you get into the dark web that they own this website as well but this was fun

I'm glad we actually got to talk about music It's good to talk about music with you sometimes when you're not like you know deep into your barefoot bag But when you come back to like Queens a little bit Like yeah appreciate that I fuck with barefoot though No me too but you know sometimes Rory is like He don't put socks on for a week

And it's just like he don't want to talk about I feel like no socks No socks and new balance feet stink That whole once Mac Miller and Anderson Pack did like the greatest version of Barefoot Rap

single with a what was off the Divine feminine that single Girl I gotta see that the SLS Yeah Everyone tried to copy that after that And I started to fall out of love With barefoot music

Oh because everyone just tried They ran into the ground And not to say it's eat Some of the beats are easy to make But The actual songs are tough And everyone just They took it and ran with it

and that genre man they killed it. Yeah. It's like I'm sure K-pop has raining in the ground too. I'm kind of over the barefoot shit. All right, but we got some Nause album this weekend.

Nause DJ Famier. We got Conway can't kill God with bullets this weekend as well. So listen, man, we got some good music on the way. Are you going to pass out Toys and Basley with me and Nas? I don't know.

Listen, man, you're good. I'll show you around Queens. It's cool. You'll be safe. I'm always good. I promise. We'll make sure you're right. They know me on parsley.

They know me on. on Jamaica. Parsons? Parsons, I'm sorry. You said Parsley? You said Parsley? Why don't say Parsons Boulevard? They know me over there, man.

I'm good over there, man. Calling Parsons. But I don't say Parsley. Because you were thinking, Basley. That's what it was. You said Basley. That's what it was. All right.

Well, we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.