New Rory & MAL - Episode 434 | Pod 97

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

After a snowy weekend, we are back! Rory and Mal speculate what’s next for hip-hop radio after “Ebro In The Morning” gets cut from Hot 97. Nas and DJ Premier released their project “Light Years”, but Mal doesn’t think it was worth the wait. Baby D was bed rotting all weekend which had the pod trying to recall the longest they’ve gone without showering. 21 Savage compared ATL to a pdf file. No doubt that’s a wild analogy, but Rory and Mal get what he was saying. Mal salutes Bobby Schmurda for holding his own while getting jumped. Plus, another “Put Me On” segment, and why Demaris cuts non-confrontational people out of her life. #volume All lines provided by hardrock.betSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. The volume. We are back, sponsored by Boost. Just getting to the end of the year, man. It's baby steps. You got to run through the tape, bro. You look like you pulled up with like 10 meters left.

Yeah. You got to run to the tape. Yeah, you got to run through the tape. One ran right past me to win. Yeah, that's the problem, man. But no, no, I'm still focused head down, but, you know, two more weeks. I'm focusing on just getting through the rest this year. that's where I'm at.

Let's focus on these two weeks. It's like such a dad. That's dad talking. Did you finish your Christmas shopping or whatever holiday you do celebrate? Happy holidays to everyone. Yeah, no. I don't get gifts in the white no more. That's it.

It's over. Really? Yeah, it's over. No, you get your nephews. I cannot see you not getting your nephew. He gets gifts all year. That's how I was feeling about Amara this year. I was like, it's Christmas every day for this broad.

Exactly. This broad is crazy as fuck. Exactly. What is going on here? I just finished mine thanks to Amazon. I'm not going out on these shoes. Amazon and not, you can't go out on these streets. No, no.

You passed that threshold. Nope. I don't want to see the tree. I don't care about that. I will be doing my online shopping, but I think I'm pretty much done. You know, trinkets for mom and dad. Thank you.

No problem. So glad you can join us, baby Dee. How are you feeling? You're all right? I'm great. How are you? You look good. Thank.

You look happy. Smiling. You glowing. What's that? It's a bit of a glow, and I don't think it's because of the purple light this stuff. You ovulating?

So why is it that HR becomes an issue in December every year for the podcast? Every year. Every year. Every year. I don't think you're allowed to ask a woman in the workplace, is she ovulated? Like, why are you trying to nut me? No. Whoa.

Oh, my child. Now I'm uncomfortable. Like, well, because why are you asking me today? Can I go to HR? Can I go to HR now? I feel attacked. Can I not? Can I schedule me with myself?

I'd like to know why you feel attacked. Because she asked if I was wanted to nutting. Is that an attack? Yes, I'm a pull out guy. Oh, okay, got you. She assumed who you were. No, she's just glowing, baby. He's glowing.

So just wanted to know what it was. You know, women, you know, obviously they glow and things like that. I sat in my house all weekend and didn't speak to us. So, like, y'all are people. Oh, that's probably while you're going. Oh, you're rejuvenated. No one has heard my voice until I walked in towards him. You bedrotted all weekend?

I worked, but I just didn't speak to anybody. You ain't speak to know why all week? How do you pull that off? It was, I sat. in my house and put my phone on D&D. Yeah. Not a soul. Wait, not even a phone call?

Not a soul. I watched everything. Every single. No, it was great. I watched every single creed. No, no, no. We're not doing that. We're not doing that.

I know you watched everything you caught up on your shows. It was great. Everything. Why are you sitting at home all week and not talking to nobody? Because I... Because we talk for a living. Shut up, Lori. We talked for a living.

Then I got to talk to my family. Then I talk to my friends all day. I'm tired of talking. I'm with you. I'm not. I'm tired of the sound of my own fucking voice. Y'all don't get like that. Y'all been talking for years.

Y'all don't get tired of the sound of your own voice. Yeah, but I don't sit at home all weekend and not even speak on my phone on anybody. Like, I've never done that. Oh, you should do that. I spoke to my little sister for five minutes because I knew if she kept calling me and I didn't answer, she would call my dad and he would pop up at my house. So I answered her phone call. That was it since Thursday. Yeah, but it's just a drastic change from last weekend.

Like last weekend, it was, you know, I'm just talking about. It was a little more social this weekend. It was just anti-balance. Got it. Balance. Y'all should try it. Then y'all wasn't I'm talking about Wasn't it him that said that when you live alone

Sometimes you realize you haven't spoken in two days Yeah Sometimes you need that shit You know that's my shit But I mean I speak on the phone Like I ain't need that to speak I ain't have shit to speak about

I talk about I talked so much that I had nothing new to talk about So I just didn't I'm cool I'm dead ass Yeah No you need though If you can get a weekend

Where you can avoid speaking Especially in this gig You need to do that Because that's affected We're going to table We're going to table with us We're going to table this and come back to We're going to circle back

I'm perfectly fine My mental health, fine. Like, nothing's wrong. I just, I hate the sound of my own voice sometimes. I got used to it. For years, I hated it. I'm used to it. I've just given up on caring about it.

You don't like your voice? Not that I dislike my voice. It was just uncomfortable because I'd never been like the on-camera guy or like the person that like wanted their voice to be heard so badly that they've dedicated their entire life to just trying to be famous. I didn't have that part of my brain. So yeah, when I like started first. hearing, because I used to edit the episodes, remember way back in the day.

So I'd have to listen to myself. I'd be like, ugh. Yeah. This is how I've sounded for the last 24 years? Well, how do I have friends? This voice is annoying as fuck. But I've gotten used to it. Yeah.

I don't really care at this point. Okay. Well, it's good to see y'all. Yeah. We were outside. We were outside. We were outside? We were outside? We was outside like rappers from Thursday.

Well, just Thursday. Just Thursday. I'm about to say after Thursday where I wasn't outside. It was cold. It was snow. and it was all kind of shit. I wasn't outside. Thursday, we went to the Mass Appeal. I don't want to say the, I mean, I guess it's a pop-up.

Yeah, pop-up for all the albums that they've put out this year. The legacy installation. Yes, installation. Those are the cooler words. Yes. The artsy words. Yeah, you got to say insulation. In, you know what it's an installation like the company. It was insulated. It was warm. It was insulated.

I think it's for the remainder of the month. You should go there and you don't need a jacket. Yeah, they have heat. Yeah, and they got jackets there. Yeah. But they have merch there. vinyl's there they have like um each setup for each album it's a really really cool experience shout out the match appeal if you're a great job if you love hip hop i really think you guys should go to the space in soho if you're in the tri-state area um but yes we went there and we interview

ghost face which will be coming out on thursday yes and that was just an awesome bucket list combo yeah like i was i i could not believe we were speaking to tony starts and like he was just chilling and being funny entertaining like you really want to speak to us every everything you i ever thought he would be like on a personal level. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm really excited to put that episode out. Shout out the ghost face. Then after, well, Conway popped up as well. I didn't know Conway was coming, but you had mentioned that. Did he come with you? No, no, no. I saw him. We did that Thursday. I saw Khan Tuesday. Okay. And but I told him about it. And I told him and shout out to Chad. And they said

they was pulling up. So shout out to Conway. Yeah, Conway was there. Talk to Conway for a little bit. And then we went, then we was on our real rap shit. We went to the studio. to celebrate and listen to music with men and bad food and Hennessy. Rory, you always listen to music with men. That's your bag. That's like when you're comfortable. Nah. What?

You're always in the studio with men. That's not true. Well, 90% of the time. Not really. Okay. My last three sessions were with Jazi, Joyce, and John Lennon. He's, well, rest in the-st- John Lennon?

You think Rory was in the studio with John Lennon? I'm going to say John Lennon. You know Yoga's still alive? Yes. That's so wild to me, like, how much she wanted to be the center of attention in the spotlight. And then she just got her husband killed and disappeared. But, yeah. No, I'm not scared of the truth.

I just don't know if that's the truth. But yeah, shout out to Conway. We went to the studio. Kicked it with Conway. Listen to his album, album available now. You can't kill God with bullets. Which we will get to music reviews shortly. But it was a fun night, man.

I do like those studio sessions where, like, you don't have to work. And you could just listen to amazing music. Yeah. And just enjoy yourself. Talk some shit. and, you know, drink dark liquor. No pressure. Yeah.

Just come and have a good time. It's great. Conway is sitting on a lot of fucking music. I'll say that. And he has a whole album with a producing duo that, I don't know how you could just sit and have that and like not put it out. Well, after talking to him, I understand why he. Business, I get it to.

The business got to be right. But I'd be having those studio sessions to play it for everybody every Tuesday. You're coming in here just listening to this album. The music is incredible, yeah. So shout out to Conway. Again, we will get to the review of his. project. Sunday I was outside. What's going on Sunday? I went to our friend of the show, Rosie, her birthday party, which Maris was invited to, but I didn't know, you know, she was taking her,

what are the Buddhists to do? Absidence of speaking, vows silence. Okay. She couldn't come because she was taking her valve silence. She's now going to sell gold coins in Times Square. Nica, how was the party? Like, are you worried about me? How was the party? She's had that bottled up all weekend. That's why she reacted that way. Can wait to get it. Just quietly bottoming up. Yeah, that's like school shooter vibes.

Which fuck, wrong time. It was fun. I did karaoke. Like I was back in my karaoke bag. She had a karaoke party? Yeah, and she had the theme, which is like a TikTok thing. The attire is not the occasion. So you dress as something that's not the occasion of the birthday party.

I'm low. It's a TikTok thing. So like people will show up dressed like in full athletic years. and they'll be like, this is not the gym. People will show up, like, dressed as crossing guards and be like, this is not the street. So it's Halloween. Sort of, yeah.

You niggas, love to dress up, boy. I just want to come out and say happy birthday to a friend and just have a good time. Like, why do I got to dress up like a crossing guard? Yeah. Oh, this is not a school zone? Listen, man, adults can still have fun. No, that's exactly.

This is Moss third robot. This is not a school zone? I don't know why he's going to the robot. I don't think that person should be a crossing guard for children. I'll tell you that. adults can still have fun man they splice it up and then they put it on tic-tok and it's just like all your friends entering the party like this is not this so you know what did you if a guy did it i'd look at it a little weird but it's a girl no it's allowed to do that type of stuff happy birthday of fun no no we can't do that but happy birthday of rosy though um i had forgotten that that was the theme so i stopped at target on my way there and there was only a robe available so i did i gave her two options i said is this Tony Soprano's house. And then I said, is this a mental hospital?

All right. So yeah, man, I think I freaked the road. Yeah, yeah. I had a white beater under. Yeah, you pulled it off. Sorry. Yeah, that was, she was holding that in all weekend. She didn't talk all weekend, so she'd been waiting and, like, get that out.

And I actually got a lot of compliments. Oh, you look like you been in the gym a little bit. Don't you love that? Don't you love when they say that to you? Come on. Have you been in the gym a little bit? Yeah. A little bit.

Just a little bit. No, I really have them, like back in my kid. I've been back on my shit. That's what so. Yeah. So, all right, karaoke, I only perform once, and our friend Danielle can sing really, really, really, really, really well. She's in, like, Broadway performances.

And we hate those type of people at karaoke. Don't come up there and actually sing and, like, make this a real concert. So we agreed that I would do Kelly Rowan's part in Dilemma, and then she would wrap Nelly's part. And that was our performance. Baby, Dee, what you did this week? Do you give us a little bit of that? Can you give us a little bit of like,

you have to wait until the footage drops. You know, everyone had their cameras up in there. See, that's why I can't go to karaoke parties. Because I feel like you inclined, you have to perform. And you too, you too, go. I want to just go chill and just, you know what I mean? See my friends and just, you know, I don't want to perform. I don't want to get on the mic and have everybody make TikToks.

Like, come on. Eddn was there. Eddn was the karaoke DJ. Oh, he was? And his man's who's been here, sorry, I forgot. I want to call him Hector. Hector. Okay, thank gosh. Hector.

Hector. I didn't want to be wrong. This name be Hector. He killed some bad bunny. I didn't know because he's always quiet when he's here. He's a natural performer. Hector's always quiet. Well, Hector, you know. Hector be throwing ass.

From the time he walked in the party to the time he leave. Maybe just so focused on the live stream. He threw so much ass in here. He fell asleep here. Like, I was like, he worked for it. He deserves a rest. This guy has been jirating all fucking night. Fit.

Hector's quiet. If you would close your eyes, you would have thought bad, he was there. He went nuts. He didn't miss a syllable. Like, I was like, yo, this is a masterful performance. Shout out to Edna Hackett, man. So yeah, that was my weekend for the most part. I'm sure we don't need to ask. You just stayed in the house. Yeah. You didn't make any snow angels? I went out when I did a little shopping on Saturday. It's Saturday. Yeah, the one that did a little shopping Saturday, but then it snowed. So it was like, I'm not going out Sunday. Like, Sunday was in the house all day, right? So, yeah. I didn't know it snowed.

until this morning. Don't say nothing. Whatever you do, don't say, I got this. I didn't know it snowed into the morning. What are you going through? What happened? Like, not only did you not speak to anybody. You didn't even look out the fucking window.

Like, what are you going? I ain't have nothing for nobody. I ain't look out the windows. How you don't look out your window? I have, I have like shade, like the darkening curtains. Like blackout curtains? Blackout curtains. Three days.

Yeah, but blackout curtains is not supposed to be closed for three days straight. Shit. You didn't even do like a little. Uber eats door dash? Like open that. See, I don't know. No, I Uber eats, but I guess it had it snowed when I Uber eats. I Uber eats Friday.

And you Uber eats and she said leave it at the door. Like she didn't even want to see the door. Not the same way. Leave it at the door. I want to talk to you. Nah, once I had leave it at the door for a few times and you get your bag and the shit be spilled in the bag. No, no, no.

Come here. Let me all let you money. Because I'm not paying it. But they can't do anything. They just be like going to app. Yeah, no, yeah. Don't, don't like, I don't like when they put shit. I don't like, don't put my pizza on.

the ground. I don't like that. I don't like that. Like the box? Yeah, don't put my pizza box. Yeah, that's kind of wild. Yeah, it was kind of nuts. I don't like that. But don't put my artichoke big ass pizza box on the back of your bike and then it open it and turns into a burrito now. Burrito, that should be just rolled all the way up. Delivered pizza to me one time. I know he was doing willies with my shit in the back of his stuff. It was no cheese on the fucking crust. I was like, you'd have no bungee cord just just just throwing wheelies and shit. Somebody else my, why is all the cheese over here and the crust is

over here? Like, you know, you can't have no. That shit ain't real cheese either. It's barely sticking. What, vegan cheese? That vegan ass cheese. Hell no. No, that's good. It's good pizza.

I'm gonna put you on in this good vegan pizza spot. All right. All right. I trust you. Because I took, see? I took you to one spot. And then you was like, yo, I got to come in here. Like, nah, no, no, don't be doing that.

Don't be going on my spots, be. It was, it was Kia's birthday on Sunday. And she's vegetarian. So Kia actually made it the first time I've had of, like, vegetarian dish where I was like, I would eat this not for content purposes. like I'm going to heat this up tomorrow. It was a vegan lasagna. I think there was mushrooms in there.

It was just fire. The cheese was like, I was shocked. I don't know if it was, is there a difference between vegan cheese and vegetarian cheese? So vegetarian just, it has no meat. It probably was a real cheese. Not because because of the vegetarians don't eat cow products, right? Yes, they do. They just don't eat.

They can, like butter and things like that. It's like, it just can't be like, you can't kill the animals. animal for it. Okay, I understand. Gotcha. So you can eat products from an animal, like butter, milk, yeah. There are eggs. Yeah. Birds and the bees. But you're not going to eat a fucking turkey wing. Okay.

Maybe that's, maybe that's why it was really good. Because it was real cheese. Yeah. I thought it was vegan cheese. Vegetarian isn't bad. Vegan is when shit starts getting hard. But even vegetarian isn't hard. Oh no. Lazzine was incredible. Um, but yeah, it was a, you know, regularly weekend, more or less. How was y'all's commute this morning? What was the radio sounded like?

I never listen to radio You think that I listen to the radio For my morning commute I would think mall would I don't listen to the radio We talked about that all the time I haven't listened to the radio And sometimes I listen to it

Just they hear what they're playing And then turn off Let me hear what they're playing And then if you in traffic For an hour and a half You realize they play the same 14 songs So it's like All right I'm cool

Like I don't You didn't tell your lady Uber driver you'll throw on that funk flex This morning no I did not But for all of those who have heard. Ebro in the morning show has come to an end? Yes, Ebro show consists of him, Peter Rosenberg and Laura Stiles, all friends of the show.

I mean, congrats on a crazy run. Ebro was what, program director for 20 years, then on air for 10. I always loved their show. I think Rosenberg is one of the few people that actually gave a fuck about hip hop at a radio station. And Laura, always an amazing personality. and was the best villain, and this is going to sound misogynistic, but I'm just being truthful.

Sometimes they just throw a woman into a radio show because they need a woman. Laura Stiles has been a part of this culture and loves hip-hop, and is knowledgeable about hip-hop. That's what made her role so much better that they weren't like, yeah, let's just get a chick that's attractive

and, you know, she can be like, ha-ha-ha. Like, Laura was like really, really contributed all the time and it was amazing. I always loved their show. I know they got a lot of shit because they made a lot of enemies, but their numbers were always really good. What enemies did they make?

I mean, they're back and forth with, which has always been in radio. But they're back and forth with power when power was capitalizing. Oh, radio beef. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah. And, you know, Ebro sometimes rubbed certain, like, when he had, I think it was Kodak Black when you tried to get him to rap. Like, there's been moments where they've rubbed people the wrong way.

But I think that's what radio is supposed to do to some degree, as long as you're being somewhat respectable. But congrats on a crazy run. Like, I think that's amazing, but I also feel like it was good for them. Like, I even hit Pete, you know, just sent them a text. Thank God this is over. Like, radio needs to adjust and pivot to the times. And of course, they were trying to do it with, you know, YouTube and Breakfast Club is a perfect example of how you do pivot.

And that's why they're in the Radio Hall of Fame. But it was, come on, man. You have to revamp. like as much as I thought Charlemagne and envy should have stayed because of what they built there. I also think new blood is important and pivoting is important because radio, for the most part, if you think about it when we were growing up, they treated radio like clubs. Like we're changing the name every year. Yeah. Like people talk about stars generational run, which it was.

I was one year at Hot 97. Yeah. Like usually unless it's an Angie, Flex, big boy, radio people leave. Like this, this changes. DJs change. Everything changes. And New York radio has been not stagnant by any means, but it's been the same fucking people forever.

Yeah. So I think it's beautiful that Flex took over the split. New blood. Yo, Flex is just clean in house so he could take every fucking slot. No, no, no. To be fair, Flex said he's only taking over today. Just filling in. Just filling in today.

We don't know what tomorrow looks like for the radio station. But, I mean, Flex did take over today, another familiar voice and familiar, you know, personality. I did not listen, but I just don't know what Flex's morning swag would be. Flex is amazing for evenings. I love a bomb on my way over the GW. Yeah. Like, I think that's great. Screaming is great at that time.

What is Flex morning swag like? I don't know, man. Maybe he got into his, you know, R&B bag. I didn't listen to it. But maybe he got into a little more R&B heavy for the morning commute. But either way, I do. think that, you know, we spoke to Pete a few months ago. He came by. He gave us a little insight on things shifting and changing. I don't think this was a shock to them the way it was a shock to all of us.

Yeah. And I also don't think it really has anything to do with numbers. Because at the end of the day, yeah, you two numbers are super important. But the real radio charts are what radio advertisers are looking for what program directors are looking at. And hot and Breakfast Club, like, month to month, it's switching. It's not like the way we see Breakfast Club dominating in the digital space. It's not that way on the radio. So it's not like they were failures by any mean. I just think this new company that bought it from Emmis doesn't give a fuck about hip-hop.

I think they're just trying to shit. Like the way Elon, when he bought Twitter turns to X, fired everyone on fucking staff. And it's like, you know what, AI is going to run this here. I see what our overhead. is I see what we're making. Sorry guys. Ibro, you've been here for 20 years so your salary is a certain thing. We're not paying that anymore. Like, that's what I think. And Emmis, I think, was more of a, still a corporation, but more of a niche corporation than, I forgot this one that that bought it. Man, they don't give a fuck about hip-hop. You don't think this has anything to do with the radio

reto. I don't know. I don't think, um, Ebro, Rosenberg and Laura specifically. No, I don't think any of them are involved in any RICO activity whatsoever. Do I think, even though people have been giving me shit of like, I'm on my Candace Owen shit, like, where's the evidence? That shit is still coming, pause. And I think a lot of the shifts we've been seeing across the board, not just with Hot 97, but other radio stations. I think there's a trickle-down connection to some of it,

where budgeting may land when things start to go to shit. So I don't think directly, but I think their overall bottom line no longer is caring about growing the Hot 97 brand. What is going on on at Hot 97? Because we've seen Summer Jam significantly downsize and it hasn't been as,

you know, let's say, star-studded, as it's usually been throughout the years. Well, I mean, I think that has, that's... Is it music? No, no. That's a festival thing, not a festival culture where, you know, Summer Jam is a staple. And I think, didn't we talk about this

with Pete when he was here? they're competing with people that have fuck you money whereas, you know, Summer Jam isn't backed by Verizon where Verizon can just start a fucking festival tomorrow and get Bad Bunny as a headliner. Like they're a small fish in a big pond now that festival culture is a thing.

And fans only have so much money per month. And what? What do you think I'm gonna go to? Rolling loud or Summer Jam? If I have $55 this month, Where do you think I'm going to go? Yeah. I think I'm going to go to fucking city field and see all the rolling loud acts

or I'm going to drive to Long Island to see the summer jail. They can't compete. Well, I do think that things do need to change. Change is good. Obviously, you know, even with radio, you come to a time where you have to shift things and change with the times and the culture. I don't know what this looks like for high 97 moving forward. But it is a real thing now.

I mean, not as many people listen to radio. as before. We all are our own DJs to a certain extent now. Music comes out. We create our own playlist. So I mean, maybe you listen to radio for, you know, some of the commentary and some of the, you know, the personalities that are there. But as far as the music, and this is what, you know, radio is all about, the programming. I think, I just think people just are tired of hearing the same old shit over and over when it comes to radio. I think people want to hear more of the things that they like they don't want things to be programmed

and fed to them. I think people want real good music. They don't want the radio to tell us or to cater or curate a playlist and say hey, this is what we want to try to listen to all day on loop. I just think people moved away from radio and started listening to their own music and their phones. I mean, radio is still super

super important. Of course there's been a decline and, you know, talk radio, yeah. Our age have, you know, typically go more to Bluetooth and their iPhone and want to play the stuff that they want to play without commercials, this and that. But radio is still very much a thing of middle America. Again, when I say middle America, I don't actually mean middle America. Middle America can be in North Jersey. It can be in Long Island. Middle America still

does get in their car and just, they're not as invested as we are where it's like, I want to hear this song, then I want to hear this song. Then I want to hear this song. Some people just get in their car and want to hit a button and fucking drive. That's still a huge part of the consumer. I just don't know what's going to happen in the next 40 years when all the kids younger than me are now the adults driving their kids to school. I don't know if they're going to be the people that just want to hit one button and drive. Oh, no. So they need to make shifts for what's going to happen the next 40, 50 years now with radio in my opinion. And again, I'm not even going to speak as an expert, because I don't know what that shift is. I really don't. I don't know enough about the radio business

to know how they should pivot. But it is clear that change is coming, as important as they still are, and will remain to be important. They got to change something. And I guess I view this more as a media personality than I do a fan. If I'm Ero, Laura, and Pete, what else is there for me to do here? What's left here?

If this company has no interest in growing this brand or letting us do anything, why am I here? Yeah. So I'm sure, yeah, it's probably sad that they've been there for so long and that's been such a big part of their identity. How long were they on the radio?

He got there when I was a senior. was the 07, right? 07, 08. Ebro's been there since I was born. Laura got there after K. Fox left. I'm not sure which year that was. Maybe like 2012, 13, 14, somewhere we're there. But Laura's been there for a minute.

But what more is there to do here? Yeah. Like, of course, we all have bills. So yeah, I'll keep a job. What am I doing? Nothing's going to change here. if the people that bought it are not interested in that. So if I'm then, yo, good running.

It's been a good run. Let's keep our brand going. Like, they still have their own show. Like, Ebro in the morning, they can take and do, they could still stay as a crew. Like, their numbers, even on the audio podcast side are good. Like, I would just move on and keep the show. I mean, if that's what the three of them want to do.

Laura may want to do her own thing. Ebro may want to just focus on Apple. Pete may just want to go wrestling. I don't know. But I'm saying the three of them still have. have a show that they can continue on. Yeah. They don't have to stop just because hot doesn't want to.

Well, thank you to Ebro, Lauren, and Pete for, you know, the years of radio and entertainment, great interviews. And we just have to wait and see where they end up. But I'm sure we'll see Laura, Ebro, and Pete again. Yeah, I mean, they all alluded to that in their, like, IG tweets and everything. Just a change. Change is good. Change is inevitable.

What do we think? And this isn't even local, because I still feel like Hot 97 is still a nationwide brand, even though it's not like a breakfast club that's syndicated in Iowa. Like it is, but Hot 97 is still a national brand because it's hip-hop. What is the next move? Because none of the streamers, the streamers are the streamers. That's where radio and they're always like, let's get new blood in there. I'm like, all the new blood that would be good may not want to go at radio.

Like they have their own thing whether it be podcast and streaming. Like Twitch, I don't know if those people that would revamp it would have any interest in going to do that. But they need somebody. Yeah. It can't be flex. No, it won't be flex. I mean, this is out of flexes. He's saying that, you know, he's not going to be the permanent replacement.

He was just taking over today. But yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know. I do think that this is a sign of things to come. I think there's more changes that will happen. I think that there's changes that have already happened before. This is just another one on the list. And I just think that's the time we in, man.

Things are changing. Things are shifting. I heard a rumor because of their privacy. I will not say what it is, and I hate being this person. But I heard a rumor of who they chose for that morning slot. And it's the best move they could have ever made. When I was told who they picked, I was like, oh, yeah. This is going to keep hot 90s.

it's the perfect person to keep that ship moving. Morning? Speedy. No, not speedy. But I know a lot of people have complained over the years that there's not a lot of New Yorkers left at hot or at power. And when you have a New Yorker that's relevant, that's funny that can revamp something and is a creative fucking mind and has a cult following, yeah, that's going to keep the Hot 97

ship moving if he takes that offer. It was when I heard that, because I was, I was in. thinking too much of it. Like I didn't spend my weekend wondering who Hot 97 was going to replace with. But when I heard it on Sunday, I said, oh, genius. Can you cover your mouth? Fucking genius. I thought it was perfect. I thought it was a home run, local, innovative. Yeah. Grew up on radio, but has clearly isn't a completely different world. Like, I thought that was oh, yeah, you guys may have a fighting chance now. Yeah. I'm interested you just had that reaction. No, it wasn't a barrier.

I said interesting, which is more me processing it and thinking about it. You've had time to think about it. I haven't. Yeah. Those Speedy would be great, but I think... That was just a joke. I think Speedy enjoys his life of one interview on his time. Because that's what I think people don't understand.

Yes, everyone has full-time jobs. I'm not saying a cushy radio gig when you're on the air for just four hours is not the life. but you take a morning gig on a radio station that's your life though like you can't travel you can't like even like when when dame was you know jokingly giving charlemagne and all them shit i felt attack too when dame was saying it dame was like y'all live in this fucking box you don't even have a window like when dame was attacking them i was like god damn it this is hurting me too like he's like y'all don't even, you don't even get to go out and live, like, you've been in the same place. So, like, that's when, in my nature, for the first time, I want to defend Charlottling.

Like, fuck you, dame. We have a life. You don't have a life. I have dreams. I go outside. I have perspective. You know, saying, y'all ever got a window, like, damn. But I feel them.

And, like, granted, it's still a dream to have this kid because you could say that about, shit, sound engineers. Like, I'm sure there's been times, like, I've watched guru pivot. to do stuff that he wants to do. But there was a time when I've heard him and Just Blaze talk about, like, though, we were working on Beans, Freeway, Jay, Cam. We literally lived in baseline. I used to go street to change clothes.

They used to get a hotel across the street just to shower. Because, like, we had no life. Yeah. Like, we literally lived in a dark room. People don't talk about that part of it. Like, when you're so baked into the culture in a position like radio or something like that or podcasting, you know, it becomes a thing where it has to weekly.

You know what I'm saying? You have to do this thing and you have to be on air. It's a blessing and it's a privilege to have, you know, that position and to, you know, kind of be in a spot where people look to you on their morning commutes and things like that. But there's a thing of, you know, it can box you in and keep you from growing and other opportunities that may come your way. You have to turn down because it just, you know, it doesn't coincide with your schedule for radio and things like that. So it's not an easy thing, man. And we take for granted, you know, like you said, how people have to put their lives kind of on the backburner a little bit, their personal lives on the back burner when they have these, you know, these positions in our culture. So to have something like, you know, Ibro in the morning for so many years and that team to be dedicated to doing that for so many years, it's not a small thing, man. That's like a really big deal. And, you know, they should be proud of what they did, what they're accomplished, what they've given us. And I'm sure, again, they'll be a part of whatever change is coming, whatever change is happening.

I'm sure that all three of those individuals will land on their feet. Yeah, no, absolutely. Though I am jealous of radio people. They get commercial breaks, music breaks. Yeah. We got to fucking talk. Yeah, but they're talking.

Yeah, but it's four hours. No, I know. And they've all moved to long-form interviews as well. So they are podcasters. Yeah, yeah. Breakfast Club has won podcasts of the year for the last 30 years, I believe. So, like, you know, they're a podcast.

The last how many years? 30? yeah charlemagne's contract is ended yeah um which is a good segue well not charlemains per se it's the black effect um network signed with i heart for five years i think that's separate of charlemagne's contract with breakfast club but i could be wrong or they run coincide either way but he was up there with dolly i forgot what platform they were on shout to dolly um and they asked december 2025 the contract's up which I'm about to do. And Charlemagne did a great job of just dance around the question.

Same shit I would do. Not judging them for it. But I think with the news on Friday of the IHeart and Netflix deal, I don't think Black Effect is going anywhere. I think Black Effect will be staying with IHeart. I think that's Charlemagne's home base. That's Black Effects home base. New partnership with Netflix.

Why would you leave? Where would you go? With all those shows when you have something like a Netflix partnership coming up with Eyehart. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, I know last time I said, Darling, I got killed because I didn't know Darling was like an insult, but Charlemagne is also Eyehart's darling. I mean that as a compliment.

Like, I think Charlemagne can go up to Iheart and get whatever the fuck he wants. Like, they love him because he's always delivered for the last, however many years. So I think whatever Charlemagne wants with this new Netflix deal he'll get. So I don't think he'll leave at all. More over the weekend? You're thinking about upgrading your phone. Rory, because I saw your phone and I was going to ask, I know you feel like you want the new iPhone 17.

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Yes, it was a good, good music Friday. Good, good music Friday. Remember good music Fridays? I was at Def Jam. Yeah, great Fridays. We got a Nas and DJ premiere album. Yes. How's that? After years of, you know,

the culture kind of talking about it and wanting it, we obviously knew that it was happening this year. and we finally got it over this weekend. Rory called me, well, you text me. I text you yesterday. You text me Sunday, Sunday night. I asked for a specific person's opinion on it

because that person is who I look to, I'm not going to say, because some people are going to ask, like, what was his opinion? And we're not doing that. Yeah. Yeah, I was curious what someone we were here in the hip-hop world, what they thought of it. And their review was very similar to what I saw on the timeline

And what I was texted a bit, that some people were underwhelmed by some of the production. And this is why I'm glad I don't really look at the timeline before listening to a project. Did I feel like every beat was Nas' like or second childhood or devil's pie? No. But clearly Nas had a lot of shit to get off his chest because I need one of those like Twitter pages that has the staff. of rapping and how many words. That's like the most rapping I think I've ever heard, like the most words I've ever heard on a Nas album.

I mean that a good way. Nas had a lot of shit to say and get off his chest. I don't know if the premier beats that you guys were looking for are set up for an artist that has a vision like that at that current moment. I just don't know if you're going to get New York state of mind when Nas is in a different mind. Like if Nas was on there kind of given regular Nas flow 16, hook, whatever, I could be like, yeah, I would like a Naz's like in this mix.

But he just had so much to say that was so important that Premier could have played him 15 Nas' likes type beats. And he could have went? Nah. I want this one with a wider landscape where I can talk more. And that's what I took from it, as I can totally understand somebody that just wants to bang some Premier and Nas in their car. I'm with you. I get it. I don't think there's anything wrong with judging this album on the production stuff. music is to be judged, it's your opinion. I just don't think that was Naz's vision. I don't know if Prim should get that flack.

Because you don't know what was happening in that studio. Prim could have played a hundred bangers for him. He was like, nah, I think I want these more simplistic pullback beats so I could talk the shit I'm talking. That's what I thought of the criticism. I personally really like, every time I listen to it, I catch more. It's a very, very intricate Naz album. The shit was like a book.

The shit that they give Naz, like Kufi Naz, that, this is that to me. Like he was, it was a dissertation. It was a fucking TED talk. And I mean that in a good way. Like even when people gave 444 some shit, even though I think those no IDBs are fucking crazy.

When they gave 444 shit on the production side, it was like, well, Jay had a lot to say. So clearly no ID is pulling back on some of these. Yeah, he's being mixed on top of the shit for a reason because what he's saying is more important than what you're listening to production-wise. But again, I'm also one of those people that picks production. over lyrics any day.

Yeah. I've heard shitty rap songs with good production. I'm sorry. Rap songs with shitty lyrics and good production that I've liked. I don't know if I've heard production I hate in good lyrics. I'm going to listen to that again. Production is always number one for me, even though words are so important.

But yeah, if Nas had all this to say, then you're going to get like a clean canvas, not a Naz's like type of canvas. You're not going to get a New York state of mine canvas. I'm on other side I was a little underwhelmed by the album Only because I think After getting six

Knows hit boy albums And the music finally get into a space Where because for years people have given Nas slack Like his production is lackless of sometimes I always disagree with it Why they put that on Nas I don't know But whatever

So this album I was expecting the music To kind of come Again coming off all of the hit boy stuff I was expecting the music to be a little different than what they gave us. I wasn't expecting it to be exactly what hit boy and Nas did because this is obviously Prima and Nas.

But it wasn't, to me, the music wasn't, you know, lyrically, Nas is going to be Nas on every track. He's going to do what Nas does. So I'm not, never worried about that. But I think the music on a lot of the tracks didn't carry Nas's lyrics as much as they could have. Were you expecting more of the rancers? some premiere album that came out in October at the Reinvention? Were you expecting more of that type of pream?

I'm not saying I'm not saying I expected that type of pram again because the artist is different. So the producer has to kind of cater to whatever artists they're working with. But, you know, this album, the music, to me is not as strong as I would have hoped it to be.

Again, Nas lyrically is always in shape. He's always talking. Now he got real slick shit to talk about, you know, opening casinos and things like that. This whole language is different now. Just the music didn't really keep me and grab me the way I thought it would have been. You know what I mean? Like this is something that people have been asking for for years between Nause and Premier.

So when we heard that they were finally doing it, we was all excited. I just think that it didn't live up to now. If we got this album before we got all of the hit boy albums, maybe I feel a little different. But coming off of all of those hit boy records and that music being what it was and as strong as it was to this was kind of underwhelming because again, well, I'm only judging you

off of your last, your last effort. Obviously with a hit boy one, you get records like The Cure where Nas is just saying crap, I think that was on King Disease 3. He was rapping, rapping on the hit boy shit for sure. But I think it was more of a balance of production and pulling back a bit on the rapping because of the production. I think he enters this one

with the opposite thought of just getting everything he had to say, which I'm fine with because we have those six hitboy albums that are kind of in the other vein. But I feel like on pause tapes you get the Nasprime feeling I think people wanted. Madman, I think you get it. Like, it's a balance. I just don't know if, I don't know if people should judge this album this quickly based off who these two people are. This is a slow burn for you? I think people should give it another chance. because I don't think it was designed to be the blow your ears into another stratosphere on the first listen while we all waited at Thursday at midnight to just get in the car

and play it. I don't think that was what they were going for. I think this is something you need to listen to more and like appreciate more. I appreciate it. I just can't. The music to me is just not what I would have hoped it to be. Don't think I don't have my critiques. Like, you know, shit.

I started at my life is real obviously at midnight. night, but I wanted to skip to number three, New York State of Mind, part three. Do I think that holds up against New York State of Mind part one and two? Absolutely not. I don't, I don't, I don't think you should have, I don't know, I don't dislike the song. I just like the title. Okay. I can understand that. I don't dislike the song at all. It's not a skit for me. I just dislike the title. I think scratching and all that stuff, you could have just scratched something else and it still would have been an amazing song. Like, I just need, we need more drums on here. We need more drums. Again, that's why I think. I think. I think, I think,

think Nassbine like a clean slate. But you got to have drums, though. Listen, I'm always average. As much as I love Griselda and a lot of that sound, and they still have drums, but I was still one of those like, yo, I love that hip hop is still happening, but can we get drums back? I like drums. Yeah.

I hate that drums has become extinct in the quote-unquote underground hip-hop shit. Like, everybody just wants to rap over a fucking sample and some keys. Somebody at a fucking snare. Right. So I feel you, especially preem drums, because preem drums are, I, shit. probably the most iconic drums in hip hop history. And of course you won't bring drums. So I hear you.

I'm not mad at that critiquical. Yeah. I just don't know if that's what I was. No, I get it. We wasn't in the studio when they created it, but this is what they gave us so we can only go off for what the final product sounds like.

But for me, it was a little underwhelming. But again, you know, this is like childhood shit for me to finally get a Nause and DJ for me the album. So I'm happy that we got it, but it just didn't live up to my expectations. of what I thought it would sound like. But it's not saying it's a bad album.

It just didn't live up to the expectations that I had for it. No, and again, I want to make clear, when I saw everyone critiquing it, it wasn't a bunch of people hating. Like, it was music people really telling their opinion on it. It wasn't one of those, like, just hate train things. So I can appreciate people disliking the project and give their reasons. I saw a lot of, like, song breakdowns per rating each one. I was like, well, how could you be mad at that person?

That's not hate. Yeah. That's just their opinion. Yeah. So that I was at least happy to see that any critiques and negative comments about it came from a place of somebody that was actually trying to listen. Yeah. Not somebody that was just like, oh, turn that old shit on. You can't talk to those people.

Those people are going to, they're going to trash anything that didn't come out when they were born. Yeah, they trash it at 1159. Yeah, he refreshed, not even out yet. But also on Friday, congrats again to our brother Conway. You Can't Kill God with Bullets out now. 18 records right an hour exactly I mean

I don't know at this point Conway's the same shit we say about Gibbs like just the discography of this point is kind of untouchable For me this is one of Conway's best albums Top the bottom On the same side

Still rapping at a very high level Not many people can rap better than Conway But what I told him Last week listening to it The music on this album. He stepped it up, you know, on the production side, the music side,

getting more into like, you know, he's not too many features. A lot of the songs is just him by itself, doing the hooks, everything. So to see Conway evolve in that aspect of his craft is dope. But yeah, I love this album.

This is one of my favorite Conway albums, for sure. It's up there with my personal fit. It's up there with Lulu with me, the Alchemist one. God, don't make mistakes. is up there as well. I think him and West have a really good quality

of topping their previous work constantly. Every time I think this is my favorite West Side Gun album he puts out, Pray for Paris. It's just every time they find new ways to make straight rapping interesting

again. And again, I think production wise too, these are some of my favorite beats that comp. Absolutely. So I can't say enough. It helps to have a few Justice League records on there too. Yeah. You know, that'll help any artist.

Yeah, any project. I love that you put Yale on the shit, though. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I thought that was great. We also got a 21 Savage project. Shout out the 21 Savage. What you felt about it?

Hmm. It's one of those I do want to give a proper listening because I did stay mostly on Nas and Conway with the time that I did have this weekend. I did give it a once over. Okay. When we got back from the go shit, we were all here with some of our Patreon Discord friends

and you had played the Drake record. I saw that getting a lot of shit. I don't know what to fuck y'all that talk about. Oh, people don't like it? I don't think, yeah. This is not a Drake cast on my end. I will always be objective. Y'all are bugging.

That record is fire. Oh, they're not. They're not fucking with it. I mean, hate, like, you never know who's on the other side of hating on it. Oh, okay. Like, not any personal. people I know are like that's just trash but the internet I never know what their agenda is

click their avie it's like oh okay it makes sense um that mr recoup shit is fire that beat is fire yeah um yeah i don't know what y'all are talking about there production wise with 21 i prefer more of the american dream 21 savage his last album okay i like that production with 21 um but it wasn't it wasn't bad off off the first list and i do want to give it like some real proper attention because like i said before like 21 I know he's now not like a new artist, but that era of Gunna, baby, 21 is my favorite out of all of that graduating class.

Okay. So I do want to give it its proper do, but yeah, it was one over. It was cool, but I, you know, coming off American Dream, which is probably my favorite 21 album, I was just like, I had that 21 in my head. Yeah.

I don't, that's not this. But it's still cool. It's a different vibe from that. It's definitely a different vibe. But it's still good rap. It's still good music, good production. 21 still talking. shit on there. I wasn't mad at the project.

I wasn't mad at all. Yeah. Demeris, did you listen to any music? I mean, I know you were again. She didn't even... I haven't heard. Valis-Sylused also ears. She opened her windows. You didn't let no fresh air in. You didn't do nothing. You just bed rot and fart and eat and... It was funky in there. Funky cold Medina.

It wasn't. It wasn't that bad. But, yeah, nah. I'm watching Lucifer from the beginning. Like, I'm just... Hold on, hold on, don't say nothing. Don't say nothing, Rory. So far we got, she didn't speak to nobody all weekend. She didn't know it's enough. She didn't open her window.

She didn't even know we had a snowstorm. And she was watching Lucifer all weekend. Lucifer is a good show. I just want you all to understand. Just the bulletin. I'm giving you the bulletin. Yeah. And you see why?

You see how not interacting with humans will have you, like, glowing? What's the longest y'all went without a shower? Without a shower? Yeah. I did what? Because I've had some bedrock weekends where it's like, damn, it was probably the last time I show. When I was depressed, I probably went a good three days.

I've probably gone three days. Ooh, that ass was smelling like the rim of the mustard bottle. Just, oh, actually, I don't know. When I was studying to become a member of Cabo Office Side Fraternity Incorporated, you have to say that every time you say it? Sometimes nights I would study. Cap ArsideaSide. You know, I had my head in the books.

LLC, LLC. Sometimes, well, it's a non-hazing organization, I'll make the clear. Some nights I would just be studying so hard for like weeks on end months. I would study so hard that sometimes I would forget and not have time. To wash your ass. Yeah. But that was just because I had my head in the books, man. So yeah, that time, it may have been more than three.

But I've never done it. But in the civilian world, three. I've never done it like where I was like, this is TMI. But if I use the bath, like, if I poop, I have to like shower that day. No, no, you better shower that day. So it's never been like that because it was always like I had the, I just wasn't I was depressed. I wasn't eating so I wasn't pooping.

So I was able to go through days without showering. So, yeah. That was just fasting. That's all you was doing. Fasting. She was so impressed. She was praying and fasting for my zest for life. Yeah, you was just fasting.

That's all you was doing, baby. There ain't no wrong with fasting. Yeah, Peach made a good point. You just get a bidet. Having a bidet and being depressed is just kind of a funny. Like being depressed and then purchasing a birthday. Be a day. How you depressed while water is shooting up your ass?

I mean, you know, sometimes that's depressing. You don't want to wash your ass. You don't want to be clean. What Anthony Hamilton said? Ain't shaved. Ain't did nothing. Charlene? You don't remember Charlene?

You don't remember Charlene. I remember Charlene, but I can't remember what he said. Yeah, I was pushing for them. I was really hoping they was going to make it. Not washing your ass and your shower was right there for three days. It's just crazy. Anthony Hamilton might have one of the nastiest tweets of all time. and I know I'm not allowed to, you know, who am I, to talk about that?

But, you know, Anthony Hamilton talks about getting in. This may be a southern thing, so I apologize. He talked about getting in the bath after his mom's bathwater. That was a thing. I just remember everyone killing him on Twitter that day in like 2010. And it was just like a, maybe this is just a southern cultural thing that I just don't fully understand. So I'm here to learn. I'm just, yeah, the tweet was, remember using your mom.

Mama's Bathwater after she did. Let's get back to love. Let's get hashtag. I don't know if you hashtag back to love. And if that was the name of the song he was promoting that week, that's even crazier. But using your mama's bathwater. I don't, it could be a something thing. Let me tell.

No, it ain't a. Oh, no. The title was, let's get back to love. The name of the album is, let's get back to love. Back to love. And I love Anthony Hamilton. But again, this could be. Listen, we love Anthony Hamilton over here.

Legend. I don't know how deep in the trenches you got to be to have. We got a shit bath. We're not from the sticks, ma'all. Like, that could be a thing where you only have so much water for the week. Fam.

Fan. You in the fucking trenches. You're way deep in the trenches. I don't know. I've been to Charlotte. It's kind of a city. Wait, this happened to Charlott? Nah.

I'm just looking at it. Back in his day, Charlotte. Back in his day, me and Anthony Hamilton might be the same age. That's what you're talking about. Like, you mean back in his day. When you think he's 89 years old? He didn't just think it's not even 50 years old.

a lot of people from Charlotte that had a shower. He's 54. He was born in 71. So you guys are 10 years apart. 10 years apart. 71 backwood, Charlotte. I can see it happening. Nah. Sharon Bathwater is crazy.

Let me wash my ass get out and then you get in the same water? Because now we got rock paper scissors because who get the fresh water? That seems like mom did. Oh, yeah. If I was mom, I'm for sure getting the fresh water. You niggins could. Oh, yeah. I don't know, man.

He went to South Mecklenburg High School, Southmec Sabres. That sounds like some, like, deep South shit. I don't know. I don't know if he was in, like, Charlotte by the stadium. He also could have just been born. He may have had an outhouse. Remember using your mama's bathwater after she did. He said that shit.

Like, we all had the same experience. Yeah, like, nigga, no, I've never used my mom's bathwater. Never. It's never had. Okay, not showering for five days or use your mother's bath water? I almost shower for five days. I'm not using nobody's bathwater. No.

I'm not doing that. I don't like my own bath water if I'm sitting in that bitch. You know how crazy that? I'm not doing that. My mother or not. I'm not using somebody's bath water. I want to be like, hey,

we all use hot tubs and pools, but there's like, they put chemicals in there to clean it. Yeah, but if somebody's in the hot tub and they bust out of lufa and start washing their ass, you think I'm going to just sit in there. Like,

no, it's chlorine here. But you definitely been in a hot tub with dirty people. Oh, 100%. Yeah, Which is why I don't like. I've never,

I never jacked like pools and hot tub. I was never that guy. Who me? What hot tub I was on another fella? You was a hot tub with a fella? You told us the story. It just ended up, everyone could got out.

It was just y'all too. I don't remember. But everybody got out. And then I noticed that it was just me and him. Tell a whole fucking story. Don't make it seem like, same story on Mike. Yeah, don't make it seem like.

He said it was just mall and a guy in a hot tub. Yeah. He would say just me and a guy in a hot tub. I'm like, wait, when did that happen? Like, nah, but everybody got out. And then I realized that it was just me and this gentleman. and I was like, I'm getting the fuck out of here, yeah.

But no, it was other people with us, and I looked up and it was just me and him at one point. I probably been in a hot tub with just, I mean, I was joking where me and P's were on the hot tub together in St. Thomas, but there was a lot of other people in that hot tub. That's what I'm saying. But I've probably been with a friend and went in a hot tub before. Just you and the homie?

Probably. And walking together. I don't think it's that crazy to say. No, that's crazy to say. We were in, we were in a motel with a heart-shaped tub watching HBO. You wasn't at a poking those in the champagne? The champagne bathtub. Yeah.

Like I've gone, I've done those friend trips where, you know, it's like, you know, five guys, five girls, a couple shit up to the polka nose before. And I've probably been on the deck in the hot tub with a friend before. I don't think that's all right. That's what, no, listen. I don't think that's that crazy, man. One thing about me, I'm just here to support you, my brother. You know what I'm saying? Whatever you do is what you do, Vam.

I'm not. You've been in a pool with a man before. A pool? Yeah. You and the homie that just, you know, getting your laugh. doing laps. Me and the homie have never just gotten a pool and started doing lap. That has never happened.

Not even a pool? Fuck, just. Or in the ocean. Just y'all too at the beach. All three of these things I've done, by the way. Getting in a hot tub with another man is crazy. I'm sorry. It's like, yo, let me, like, what you're about to do?

You're going to an, all right. Then I'm just going to do something else. Then when I see you not in the hot tub, then I'll go get in a hot tub. But I was never a fan of hot tubs. Like, anything with them jet stream, I was never, you go to a hotel and they had them tubs with that. I'm never getting that shit. because I'm like, I know they're not, they're not cleaning that.

No. There's no way they clean that. One of my favorites. I've seen how fast housekeeping turn over a room. That shit been 12 minutes. Whole room clean. You did they clean them jet streams? Nah, bro, I'm not fucking with that.

Oh, don't ever, ever watch the 60-minute special. That's just probably like 25 years old, but everything's on YouTube of when they went into select hotels, chain hotels. They didn't say what the name was with a black light. That shit. They started the episode on 60 minutes saying, if you're watching this from a hotel room right now, turn it off. 60 minutes said stop watching us.

We don't even want the ratings. Do not watch this if you're sitting in a hotel room right now. It was nasty. You know, one thing I do... It was sick. One thing I do when I go to, when I'm checking a hotel that nobody ever understood until I broke it down,

like I always wrap my pillow with a towel. Because... I'm not mad at the time. If the person I just had the room is using that pillow and they drool on that shit, they're not changed. That drool is in the pillow. Oh, you're saying the actual pillow itself. The pillow.

Okay, yeah. They're cleaning... The pillow case is. It's just the pillowcase, but the drool, all that should go through the pillow and into the feathers of the pillow and all of that. And then they just changed the pillow case. Nah, wrap my shit with a towel, man. Ma. Because what?

Because then you're going to go in a room one day. You never checked in a hotel. And it can be a nice hotel. And just the shit smell got like a, even the comforter, it just smells like, like it was damp. Like it was damp. It always smells like that. It always smells like that. It always smells like that.

Yeah. You always smell damp. No matter. How expensive the hotel is. When we were making music in a specific motel in Detroit and then in New Jersey for the one in Jersey, I was sleeping there, I went right to Target. I bought pillows, sheets, blankets.

I threw everything that was, I almost wanted to buy a new mattress. Yeah. Like, I was like, I believe you. Like me and Cruz got to sleep here for two weeks? Hotels can be really dirty, man. Like, I don't care if it's a nice hotel. Like, you know how many people have slept on this mattress?

Yeah. And these pillows? I've been to a few nice... It's crazy. Been to a few nice Airbnbs that have been like, I don't know if, like, the last time they washed the shit.

Oh, I ain't fucking with no. Airbnb's freaks me out. Why? I got to wash everything. Like when you check in, you change the sheets? Yeah, I got to wash it. I'm not mad at that.

Pilloccases especially. It's the pillow. Fuck the pillow case. That pillow drew all that. That shit see right through that shit. I drool heavy too, so now I'm thinking about that. I'm telling you. You never had like drill stains on your pillow

pillow when you go to wash your pillowcases? Like you can see. Yeah. Dr. Hell yeah. And dirty ass mouth. Hell yeah. You better put a towel.

Wrap this shit in the towel. And on top of that, like I don't want to be too vulnerable here because you guys are mean. I'm also like a pillow like hugger because I'm a cuddler. So you make the pillow must be. So like I've been in long term relationships. I'm used to like sleeping next to somebody every night. So like. More.

Alex, I'll get a load of this guy. I'm used to, I'm used to sleeping with somebody. I didn't mean a, I mean a big league, you guys. You know, like, when you live with a woman, you sleep with her every night. So I got accustomed to that. So, you know, so you know what? I just got your, I just got your Christmas gift already. Oh, you're going to have a body pillow?

No, but here's the thing. Oh, a lonely boy. The pillow with the arm, they got the arm on it. Oh, I don't have that one. But Kia had her pregnancy, like there's pregnancy body pillows. Yeah. After Mara was born, I just gave me that. Yeah.

The one where you could kind of put your arm up on the side of it. Yeah. It's good. She made me want to be pregnant. Good fellow. Just wanted to see what your reaction would be. Sometimes I just say things to see what Malware. Okay.

That's your friend. I barely noticed it. That's my man. That's my bro. That's the bro. That's the bro. 21 Savage did an interview, Rory. I did see that.

Yeah. We got off music somehow. And I'm not letting Demaris off the hook. I love the position that you're in. I would love to not ever critique music again, too. I saw the deflection you did there. You're talking about? I ain't listening to nothing.

Yeah, I'm not. I really haven't. Listen, defending music gets us in trouble. Listen, we just happy that Demaris washed her ass this weekend. That was asking a lot of Demerick. Thank you. And second of all, I don't think DeMere's going to review another bit of music for the rest of this. I won't, I won't say another motherfucking thing about a motherfucker about a singer.

Oh, no. But why, though? I'm cool. I'm so tired of going viral for my music opinions. But why? Because you can say you like a rapper and then your grandma. mother's addresses on the internet. Like, I'm cool.

I'm not even disrespect another rapper. Just be like, yo, you know what? I like that rapper. Damn, so you're not, so you're not, you don't want to critique any music? I'm about to go through beauty space. Okay. I'm about to start critiquing mascara. I'm cool.

Nah, wait to, wait to the Fenty fellas put your uncle's address on the internet. The fenty fellas. There's, I'm sure there's a beauty content hive somewhere where like Mac versus Fenty and the way the internet has split. With rap music, there's probably a makeup world like that. Probably. I'm cool. I don't bit up on that summer jam screen so fucking much.

I'm tired. Never again. And you just talked about summer jam too. Yep. Never again. Everything's great. I love everything. Art is to be critiqued.

Everybody, you know. No, art is not to be critiqued. Everything is iconic. Yeah. You're scared. Yeah. Look at child. I just did all.

I'm scared of the internet. Look at you. I ain't scared. It's scary. A. means they scared, man. Peace at me too. Y'all keep trying to put a mic in front of a piece.

I get this fucking mic on my bed. The internet almost got three kids' heads blown off in my driveway. Oh, my God. Y'all are crazy, man. Y'all can't be scared of the internet. I'm not scared of the internet. It's a difference between being scared and just being tired. Oh, you tired.

Because no matter what you say. She said it like the mom in 11 basketball when she got her. I'm just tired. I'm just tired. Quincy, I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. No matter what.

What you say is somebody is going to take it the wrong way and turn it around and twist. I'm tired. I don't got it to me. So everybody's album was great. Congratulations to everybody. I don't know. No, everybody album wasn't great, but I get it. I understand what you're saying.

Everyone's, everyone's music is perfect. No. But I am going to check out. Perfect. Everybody's music is perfect. Dead ass. I love what you did this, sir.

Perfect. Perfect. I've actually never heard bad music in my life. Y'all crazy. It's the one thing on earth that's perfect. I'll be the bad guy. It's all right. You know what's crazy, though, Mall?

That works for you because you've been it for so long. What, the bad guy? Yeah. Like you're so dedicated to just saying whatever the fuck you want to say. Because why not? Why not? No, but that's unfair. I'm not disrespecting nobody.

Like, when I say that, I'm not being disrespect. If I don't like your song, I don't like your song. If I don't like your album, I don't like your album. It doesn't mean I don't like you put out. There was a turn on a certain month of a certain year where Mall became the bad guy. Before that, Maul was the nice guy that put on so many artists that we love. Yeah, but I still do. Maul was never the bad guy.

What I was saying, wrestling? He was never the heel of podcasting, like ever for the first 10 years. It just happened recently. It was a wild shift to watch. I don't know how and why they gave it to me, but whatever, man. I'm still going to talk my shit. If your album is whack, God gives you his hardest battles to a strongest soldier. There you go, man.

I got you, baby. like text me your text me your opinion and I'm gonna just get it I'm gonna tell them it's your opinion I'm gonna just get my shit off that's all

let me know what you listening to like when that new Mariah the scientist dropped if you ain't feeling it text me that's impossible and I'm on Mariah I got Mariah

we have to we have to leak her mother's address and ask her if she's really a scientist like that's the length we have to go with the music opinion we have to harm people's families did you guys hear

did you guys did you guys he dropped a email oh shout out to my guy Friday Friday I didn't even know he put one out. Yeah. Just this weekend.

Damn, I apologize Friday. Damn. Oh, well, definitely listen to that. Yeah. Love Friday's album, for show. Everybody got somebody, EP, um, six records, 20 minutes. I'm putting this on it in the car.

Oh, that's a ride home for sure. That's a perfect listen right there. Yep. Six tracks 20 minutes. Shout out to Friday. Thank you for telling us that. Of course. Oh, yeah.

Oh, now I know why. Track number five. Mara Science. Duh. I thought you should like putting my man. I haven't heard yet, though. I have not heard it, but I knew. that it came out, so shout out to Friday.

So you went straight to just a Moriah record? I haven't heard anything, baby. Oh, you didn't hear the record? No, I just know that he put one out. I haven't heard anything. Okay, got you. All right, that's fair. But I was looking at my vision board earlier,

like looking at my vision board from 2020 that I made, you know, in January. I'm like, this is what I want for my life. I got everything I wanted on my vision board other than these piles of money that's on here. I got everything I wanted on my vision board, but I should have just been a little bit more specific. I should have just been just a little bit most specific.

You know, when they pray for a man, they don't pray for it. They got to get more specific of the type of man they pray for. God answered your prayer. You got a man. You put a man in front of you. You got to put a man in front. You got to say, Zach. What's that movie with the guy from the mummy?

He's like the worst actor. He was in Crash. Probably the worst actor of all the time. Brandon Frazier. What was the movie? Encino Man is a classic. We're not doing that. He's one of the worst actors.

Encino Man is a classic. We're not doing that. Yeah. What was it? The whale? Maclemore is one of Grammys. Let's not... Now, why McLemore? That was fucked up, because Maclemore's actually talented.

I mean to say that. I like white on white violence. What was the movie where he had, like, he got a genie, but he wasn't specific with his wishes, so everything he wished for. That movie, his acting is horrible in it, but the concept of that movie is great. He has a genie and he keeps wishing for things,

but he's not too specific with it. So it ends up being the worst thing ever. But dazzle, that's a throwback. Wow. What is that 90 what? Shit. 2000. Orlando Jones.

So this is pretty much you should watch bedazzled as a way to go into 2026 of how you need to be more specific with your prayers. Bro, I looked at because I had put like one of the pictures I put on there was just like

it was kind of like virality but I just meant that because I wanted to grow my audience. I promise you I never, I'll never do it again. I looked at that shit was like oh you manifested all the wrong shit. Wait, you put go viral on your

not go viral. I put a photo. It was supposed to represent, like, growing my own personal audience. Okay. But it just, I should have been more clear. I'm like, I should have been more clear. Because I got the followers, but it wasn't the way I wanted to get. Okay.

Got you. Yeah, it wasn't for what I wanted to be known for. But, all right. Life happens. It's okay. It's all right. Yeah. Everything's cool.

We'll be more specific. Maybe we do on Patreon. Maybe we start our vision boards on Patreon for 2026. Okay. Start our vision boards. Oh, we get some magazines. We'll have more cut out photos. It's like a ransom note.

Yeah. Over the stable. Got you. I would like to see Mall make a vision report. That's worth $20 on Patreon for sure. Do you guys believe in manifestation? Yeah, absolutely.

You do? I think words are very powerful. I think you can speak things and do exist. I mean, it takes work, but it starts with speaking. Yeah. I definitely think manifest things. Do you practice it? Or do you just believe in it?

Because some people believe in it, but they don't like actively practice it. I'm a pessimistic. person internally, so I have to like practice extra art. Like I have to remind myself to do that. Yeah. I think you have a lot of negative self-talk that you need to work on. Oh, for sure.

Absolutely. Negative self-talk. Talk. Yeah. So I think Rory a lot in his head will say shit like, I'm an idiot or that was so fucking stupid or I don't deserve this or this, this, this and that. And it's like you shouldn't talk like that because your brain starts to believe it. And then your actions follow.

So you start acting like you don't deserve certain things and it becomes your reaction. That derives from childhood. You're about to say that's the only child shit. That's a, no. I'm so fucking stupid, mom. No. Shit like that, like. No, it's not the, I wasn't saying that.

Oh, my bad. It's how Irish people raise their children. Mom! Oh, I was not the one saying that. Oh, it was Jake. I mean, Ma, fuck, I can't even. Oh my God, man. Well, yeah, that could be a fun.

When we go through our 2025 predictions, see which ones came true and our 26 predictions, we can do our manifestations on Patreon for that episode. I think that would be a fun one. Speak some positivity into existence before the new year. Yeah, here you go. But I did want to get in his 21 Savage ship. We keep getting off music.

He did an interview. I don't want to get into some of the stuff he said because then we're just getting back to what DeMaris and I were just saying of going viral talking about other artists. He did say that Atlanta's like a pedophile. and I was trying to see where he was taking us. But I did understand what he was saying as far as

the city you grow up and can groom you to start participating in things you have no business participating in at your age. Okay. Like I used to use a fake idea, before I even got a fake idea, I used to use my man's ID. And there was teenage clubs to go to.

And I still would try to go to 21 plus clubs. when I was 16, 17 with fake IDs. Like, I had no business to. I shouldn't have been exposed to that. Like, I shouldn't be at a bar that has tities at 16. Mm-hmm. So I feel him, like, Atlanta's nightlife kids are attracted to.

And Atlanta specifically has a very vibrant nightlife, if you want to call it that. And yeah, I'm sure him growing up, all he wanted to do was be in the mix. You're a teenager, you're looking at what all the older people doing. That can fuck you up as a kid. Like a city can groom you. I did understand what he was trying to say. I mean, yeah, but that's, it's not just Atlanta specific. No, not at all.

That's our culture. Not at all right. That's the culture of hip hop and where we grow up in the music we listened to, the videos we watch, our neighborhoods, the things that we deem to be, you know, fun and things like that. That's, you know, that's part of it, man. I mean, I understand what he's saying. I wouldn't compare it to a pedophile. But I understand what 21 was saying. The headline more than anything.

Yeah, like, you know. saying Atlanta groomed them since they were kids, that's a real thing. New York did the same for me. I just always was blessed with discernment. And, you know, something just wasn't, didn't feel right. And I wasn't really into it. I wasn't doing it just because everybody else was doing it. Like, I just always had that about me.

But it's the same here in New York. Same thing. Like, we hear about clubs and, you know, growing up, you hear all the rappers or, you know, all the dope boys. And, you know, the athletes, they go to certain clubs. And then you see the girls going there. And then, you know, driving the cars. It's like, that's what I want. I want to do that.

And I want to go there. Or, you know, I feel like I made it once I'm able to go to that club and get a table. And, you know what I'm saying? Spend money in there and throw money in the strip club. Like, that's not just Atlanta. That's the most major cities within our coaches. He was only speaking to his experience. But I get that.

But the South Carolina. Yeah, New York definitely was that. But because it is New York and the biggest city, I think there was a little bit more, I don't want to say, use the word security, but it's a little more tight-knit just because it's New York. Like, listening to Jay talk about his childhood in New Orleans and like, if you get to the deep south, though, like, they were doing shit at, I was like, they're not doing that in the Bronx at 13. Like, yeah, I was doing wild shit at an extremely young age in the South.

Yeah. That's something, there's just less rules out there. So it's easier for a undeveloped brain to get into more bullshit. That's where I was like, damn, actually kind of. happy it was a little bit more secure up here. Yeah. Because they were doing... Atlanta probably is closer to New York than I think it would be with the New Orleans

because they're also... That type of shit. But Mississippi, Alabama, New Orleans, Florida, you were doing wild shit. But I compare that same thing to gang culture. Yeah. That's manipulation and praying on kids. For sure. Like when you got the OGs and the big homies and they see a kid that's 11 years old

and they're like, yeah, we're going to put them under the wing and groom them to be. the big homie one day you know what I'm saying it's the same shit it's not just you know with night life and things like that it's the same in gang culture

you got people that prey on you know kids and kind of like you know poisoning their upbringing and have them believe that certain things are you know real and things like that then you get to a certain age you realize oh I've been lied to the whole time

all of this shit is fake all of it is toxic all of it is you know is detrimental to my health and things like that hopefully you get to that point early and you kind of pivot away from that lifestyle, but

the overarching thing is, it's our culture. It's what we're from. It's the streets. It's, you know, everything about the streets. It's the music, everything that we're hearing.

Now we just said, manifestation is real. First thing I do when I wake up is turn on fucking, you know, some hardcore rap shit, and I'm in the shower and I'm spitting these crazy. That's my energy for the day now.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So now I'm moving around with this energy and we don't pay attention to that because we think that it's just entertainment. And it's like, while it is entertainment, it does take on real energy and it can start to consume you. And now you're walking around with these emotions and these thoughts in your head and you didn't even realize like, oh, shit, this is everything that I've been feeding myself over the years since a young kid. And now I'm an adult and I'm moving around with this energy.

So got a manifest. I get what he's saying. I get what 21 is saying. It's definitely something that, you know, I've always thought about and looked at. And, you know, there's a thing in our culture where we groom, you know, you. you know, people from young to kind of take on this energy. And, you know, hopefully, again, it starts in the home. If you got the right foundation in the home and you got a mother or father

and people that teach you right from wrong, this is just entertainment. This is not, you know, the way you should walk around and the energy you should take on. Hopefully you have that. If not, it could end up bad for you. Yeah. No.

All right. When did the big start bringing you around 12-8-0? Josh asked, with your family like Biggs and Rockefeller being started when you were younger. When did you start being brought around? Situations where maybe at your age you had no business being around. First time I went to a club, I was 16.

I think it was Metropolis in Queens. Okay. And I believe it was the, where year the Hard Knock Life come out? 97? Hard Knock, I think, 98, 98. So it was around that time. And I remember like, I was just,

I was happy to be in the club with everybody else. Like finally seeing like grown women dress nice and all the dope boys and rappers and everybody. And I'm 16, 17 years old. Ain't got no business in there. But again, for me, it was different because I was with my actual brothers. And they wasn't going to let me do no stupid shit. Wasn't going to let me get involved in no dumb shit. But I could see how if I wasn't, I'd have been like, I'm in here every week.

I'm not going nowhere. Like this is, because that was everything. Being a young kid, and it's like I get to go back to school and tell all my friends like, yo, Shorty was in this, she had this dress on, tithies was dumb big, da-da-da-da-ha. She started, she pulled her tities out. It's like, you start thinking that that's like normal shit. And it's like, bro, that's a whole different world that will consume you if you allow it to. And you take on that energy.

But that was the first time for me seeing that. Like going to the club, 16, 17 years old, just seeing everything that I had been hearing in songs. you know, pop and champagne and, you know, girls kissing girls and, you know, shit like that, like pulling up in big cars and you seeing the cars these raps like you were the man. No, not me. I was just there witnessing this shit. You know, but seeing the cars that you would hear about the songs and, you know, before I knew what the CL 600 was, I had heard about it. And then when you finally see it, it's like, oh, shit, like, I want one of those.

And you start seeing, you know, everybody got a Rolex on and big jewelry. And you're seeing the type of attention, these guys are getting from the pretty women. That shit starts. You be like, nigga, fucks. I got math to my fuck math. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to be around this type of shit.

And it's a real thing. It'll be something that, you know, starts to take, you know, move your way from the things that really matter than important things. If you want to be consumed by that lifestyle. Demaris, let's get back in our therapy back. I think we made, we made some headway here. Okay. For years, we've tried to explain to more that, like, you know, real women do exist. Every woman is a gold-dinging thirst bucket that wants to be with an athlete or rapper.

I said that before? Not in those words per se. So I didn't say that. But I tell you all the time that y'all's the house views on our skewed. I'll tell you how that all the time. But I can see if one of your first experiences into your teenage years is being at a club where stereotypical, I'm not saying every woman, but stereotypically a club woman might be one of those type of women that is there for the guy that has the car that pulls up, has the section.

I could see you forming a view that this is what women like. If that's what you're introduced to at a very young age. Where, yeah, I was in clubs when I was young, but not, I wasn't with Biggs and Jay. So I was just there. I still had a view of the girl and, you know, third lunch in my, in my cafeteria. Same, me too.

That like existed. I just knew that there was another type of woman out there. Yeah. It's like maybe that woman took over your brain as the generalization of maybe how most women move. No, that's not true. You'd like to put that on me, but no, sir, that's not how I think. Okay. I do think that if I'm talking to that, I'm speaking directly to that specific type of woman.

I'm not saying all women are like that because I don't, you know, I know some women that are, you know, classy. They don't have a reputation out here. They have their own thing going on, real careers. Like, I know a lot of women like that. When I'm speaking to that, I'm talking about, they know exactly the type of woman I'm talking about. That woman. Oh, no, that woman exists. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

And I'm just saying, like, being around that, you know, it's hard to go back to school. And, you know, the girl that you got a crush on and she's wearing, you know, the long, because, you know, we had wearing uniform. But she got her dress down to here when Saturday I was at the metropolis and she had on two inches about a thing. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know what I'm in school now. Like, yeah. man, y'all boring. You know what I'm saying?

Which unfortunately goes back to when we always talked. It's never changed. Your generation, my generation, when older guys would pick up girls at our high school. Yeah. And it's like, that was a real thing. That girl's not going to come back and talk to me.

Listen, that was a real thing, man. She was just in a car. That was a real. You know how crazy it was to be in a car? Yes. Trust me, bro. That's a, that's a real thing growing up. She went to an older guys.

He had his own place. That's a real thing. thing. Yeah. But boy, you, when you in high school, a high school girl,

and it's wrong as fuck. I know we have to say that because you guys are in the comment. It was disgusting. We think it's awful that that was a thing. But I can see a undeveloped teenage girl's mind thinking she's mature and like, I get to go to a place that he,

there's no parents there and I drove there. I could see a girl not wanting to come back to high school and talk to us. Why would she? Listen, I grew up with a lot of that. Which is why. Y'all are fucking nasty for manipulating young girls in high school.

Y'all are fucking disgusting fucks. Yeah, but we don't talk about... I'm talking about... I'm talking about... From the undeveloped teenage mind, a girl would think of... Yeah, but you got to speak to the family, knew? The family be known that the nigga old, that she's dating? Yeah, well, some of them didn't really have family.

Not always. It was so easy for them to do that. So, we're not always me. Yeah, sometimes. She didn't have to be... Not always. I was dating men 10 years older to me. My parents had no clue.

Yeah, but so not always. But you know some girls who was dating older guys, and they... family knew. I know you knew that. That definitely happened. Yeah. Which is nasty. So it's a family. A specific demographic, but they, I ain't,

I ain't saying nothing, but. A specific demographic? You know what demographic. I know the demographic. I know exactly the demographic. I know the demo. What's the demo? In other news, Bobby Smurter was jumped.

Damn. I know. I would have helped. Oh, in Minnesota. Yeah, Bobby was in, I think, a nightclub in Minnesota. And had a little fist of cuffs. you know, Bobby held his own, man. I don't know if they thought that they was going to make Bobby look bad.

Listen, you get jumped, and as long as you fighting back, it don't matter. You held your own. You got fuck one nigga up. That's all you got. See, Bobby was supposed to dive on the first nigga and just bite his neck, right? I'm really not mad at that at a little. The whole club would have emptied out. I would have walked out with that nigga in my mind.

Like a newborn puppy. Fuck you're talking about. I would have walked past security with that nigga like I'm good to snaker, man. What? If me, you and DeMaris went to jump somebody and I was the first one there and they bit me, I would walk like, nah, guys, no, I'm cool. Everybody. Let's get out of here.

Let's get out of do. It ain't worth it. Listen, man. They tried to make Bobby look bad. So, listen, getting jumped is not a, that doesn't make you look bad. You don't even have to fuck somebody up. You just have to make it difficult. And in my opinion, you win.

If you make it hard to jump you, then you won. Man, Bobby stood 10 toes. He ain't run from nothing. He did what he was supposed to do. I don't know what there was that. A hookah he picked up. I said anything. I said anything.

Just pick this shit up. What is this? The mixer? Whatever. The fader? The fader? Yeah, we fucking all this shit up. Like, that's all you got to do?

My name was young Mike Stan for a long time. Yeah. Sometimes you just got to pick up with Tragic. Shout to Bobby, man. Shout to Bobby Shmurder, man. Words. That's 10 toes Bobby from now on. He ain't running from none of you niggas.

I fuck with Bobby. Who's? it's got to be too cold in Minnesota. I was going to say, fuck is he doing in the men right now. Listen, get a bad. You're hosting the parties? Minnesota. They're shit in Minnesota.

I'm just saying it's too cold to like, because when fights break out, all the doors have to open security. And now everybody's getting kicked out in the cold. Everybody trying to call Uber at the same time. They're busy. Like, save this shit for the summer. No, fuck that.

It go down when they got to go down. They got to go down. Fuck that. I don't care what it's doing outside. And Bobby Pop first. You saw him swing first? He scared of nothing. So you realize you about to get jumped, that's your best option is to swing first.

Yeah. Like, oh, I see what's going on here. Shut up to Bobby, man. But all jokes aside, hopefully Bobby stays safe, man, moving around because there's all dudes out here looking to just get a rep and do some stupid shit for content. So make sure Bobby. Which will pass in one week. Keep Bobby safe. They'll have one TikTok that's like, yo, we the guys that jump Bobby and it'll last for 24 hours.

Yeah. Unless Vlad wants to interview them. See, they're mad because Bobby, you just be dancing and, having fun. You know what I'm saying? He's not on his. You know what I'm saying? Just trying to just chill. And here they come trying to pull them back into that energy into that life.

Listen, man, Bobby did seven years in Clinton. I think a bar with a teaky theme in Minnesota is, I think he knows how to handle himself. Shout out to Bobby, man. Doing a teaky bar in Minnesota is hilarious. Don't put bamboo in a Minnesota. Is that what you are? Sit to the Mighty Ducks theme and I'll be there. It was a tiki bar?

Pull the video up. Rory just be saying shit, you got to check that. Yeah, you do got to check, Rory. A tiki bar. Look at this. It's bamboo and shit. up there. That's not bamboo. See how fast where we turn the whole spot? Yeah, like,

what is he talking about? All right. Tiki bar. What is he talking about? It looked like a... Yeah, come on. That looks like the fucking teaky grass. That's, that's curtains. All right. I don't know what that is. No, come on, man. You can't look at that real quick and think they're not going with the tiki theme?

Nah, man. That's just the decor. Yeah, a tiki decor. Anyways. Ro, you think you still know how to fight? It's been a while. I don't know. You think it's like riding the bike?

No. No, it's not. I don't, I don't at all. No, it is not. I don't think that was a-up. Fighting is not like riding the bike. No, it is not. And you don't know that it's not like riding a bike until you're in a fight and realize that back leg give out.

Like, you don't, you know, you try to plant. Yeah. You ain't do your box jumps. You ain't do your box squats in a long time. You got to keep that base strong. After I ran Division I track, I took a, break because I was like, dude, I've been doing athletics my whole life. I just want to chill for a little bit. And then when I went back to the gym, maybe like a year later, I tried to work out the way I worked

out when I was a Division I athlete and played myself and hurt myself. Yeah. So I think now if I tried to fight, I would go with the same like muscle memory of what to do. And I don't know if the muscles would receive the message the same way. Yeah, nah. Fighting is not like riding a bike baby, my reactions are still there, but I don't know if I, and I probably get winded. And I probably get winded. like I don't know adrenaline would have to really carry the fight that's all I'll say I would hope that adrenaline would carry us

were you used to reaching between somebody legs and slam them I feel like if I went to do that now I'm gonna pull my back out for sure you better not try to lift nobody up baby then you're gonna tear all your whole left side trying to lift somebody off the ground body slam somebody you talk baby dear that ain't gonna go the way

you think it's gonna go I know in your brain you think that it's gonna go a certain way that ain't gonna go the way you know what I'm saying you know fights I thought we're gonna go a certain way Yeah, that's not going to go the way you think. I feel like, yeah, I'm going to pull my back out. Yeah, you're going to definitely, you're going to fuck yourself up.

Don't do that. Yeah. Unless I'm anticipating the fight and I'm the one plotting, I don't know if it would go the way. I think it would go at this point in my life. And I really only got three combos. What's your combo? Like, if my three combos don't get you out of here, I don't know what I'm doing

after that. Like, my next move is just going to be like, all right, we just got to just lock up. You're going to be in there. You ever, been out, but you're trying to get the, like, the mortality, but you can't figure out which buttons they hit. and you just like, yeah. Yeah,

you start glitching. Sitting there. Yeah. Nothing come out. Three combos. I got three combos. And if that don't get you out of the paint, that's when I just jump in the middle of the street and hope the police is coming.

Like after that, like, that's when I'm at. My mortal combat characters. I was, uh. I love Scorpion. Scorpion sub zero. Uh, was you to go to. Raiden? Yeah.

Raiden. Yeah. Yeah. I was a raiding guy. Well, shit, I mean, I'm sure, I never had like, comp. Like, I didn't have a finishing move. You said you had three combos. I was just fighting.

I was reacting. Well, yeah, you got to react. I didn't know how to throw combos when I spar or anything like that. But I'm saying, in a fight, I don't have, like, I'm literally just going to, this is going to be this up, up. No, I'm just going to. Like, what's in front of my face? You're like Floyd. He said, you like Floyd.

Matter of fact, that's perfect. I'm like Floyd. You like Floyd made another way you fight? Everyone says I'm like Floyd. That's what's up. I was good with the elbows though. No, you use all of that. Those is all.

No, no, no. No. What I would say would go to in close combat was never punching. It was always, always right here. I throw, because I'm way a lot. Yeah. I throw my whole shoulder and hip into this elbow. You get that shit right there.

You gotta use everything. Everything is a weapon in the play. Yeah. I'm a leg person. I got strong-ass leg. Because you can't, when you're this close, especially like a bar fight or something, like you can't even get the space to get a proper punch off. So, DeMarry's right. You fall, you use your legs to kick the girl back.

Yeah, if she got to get on top of you, you got to kick her right in her vagina so she fly up in the air. Kick her in her vagina. That's the science. You know the anatomy of a woman. And if you get somebody down and you get on top of them, you put your knees on their arms so that they can't fight back. You pin them down with your arm. Pin them now. You've been watching too much World Star.

What? You know, World Star fights. That's every girl in her fight like that. She has a picture of Sharkeesha in her home. Where is Sharkeesia? Sharkeisha, no. Sharkeisha, yo, listen, bro. Sharkeisha, what to work?

That's still one of the hardest right hooks. Oh, I get a headache watching it. Yeah, we're a Sharkey. Like, I know what her head was ringing. What did she end up doing with her life? That's a Dr. Phil moment. Like, she put on... Oh, she's a chef and entrepreneur.

See? Yo, I like when people turn their life around. Yeah, man. Look at Sharkeesha. Open her own restaurant, urban country kitchen in Walnut Grove, Mississippi, and releasing a cookbook. cooking is my therapy. She's leaving a seafood restaurant on the table,

but that's just leaving money on the table. Sharkisha? Bye, Lori. He's so corny. That's got to be a seafood restaurant from Sharkisha, Noah has the name of the restaurant? Well, no, they're in Mississippi, so you can't have a seafood, and you're not going to do too well with a seafood restaurant in Mississippi. What you mean?

The river. Yep, that's not... Man, get the fuck. The river is crazy. Just saying the river is... The river. Don't do that, because Mississippi is right next to Louisiana. like they probably make really good And then what Pete? I'm sure Southern Mississippi

makes the same food that New Orleans makes. They have to. It touches the same shit. It's a little different though. New Orleans got some great food. I'm sure you get some good Cajun food in southern Mississippi.

Get some Gator. Was that considered seafood? I had a good turkey milk oil when I was in Mississippi. Gator's not seafood, right? That wouldn't be considered seafood. No, and it's not pretty. Swamp food.

Swamp food. Don't ever put no swamp food on my plate. Swamp food. Just saying swamp food is crazy. I went to, in Florida, and when this wasn't the fanboat shit I did in Louisiana, in Florida I went to a, not a fanboat thing, but one of those swamps.

We ate, um, like, it was like chicken nuggets. That was alligator. And she was great. Gator nuggets. But it was a swamp. Like, they didn't get it from the shores of Australia where there's alligators in the sea. Like, it was just, it was a swamp for sure.

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Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, everybody, so it's time for Put Me On. It's sponsored by Walden University. Shout out to them. I am excited because I actually have an artist that I want to put you guys onto that I discovered recently. What did you listen to them while you was home in your cell world? This is before.

It was before. Is her name Mariah the scientist? No, her name is Charity. And I came across her... Scientist Charity. Sold her family. I actually don't see how charity in science... You don't?

So you don't know enough about, you know? My bad. The hidden element. So I came across Charity's page on IG because she was doing kind of like a spoken word, like uplifting type of thing. And she was talking about, you know, talking about lover girls

and talking about how there's a place in the world for us and that we should keep it going. and not to harden our heart and all of those things. So I was listening to that. So I went to go, she was like, you know, you can find the rest of this on Spotify. So I went to her Spotify thinking it would be like more spoken word. And it was actually an album. She released an album called Warm and Soft.

I don't know that's right. Yeah, but she's, she's, she's, she's done. I love that type of charity. I like her writing. I love the warm and soft charity. That's the best, that's the only kind as far as I'm concerned. I like her writing. I think that, that Rory, maybe even you more.

I think that you guys would like her music. Where is she from? I don't know where she's. from. I'm completely new to her. And it's a full project? Yeah, the full project. It dropped October 17th of this. Her name is charity? Charity.

Does she spell it like different? Like in a cool way? Nope, it's spelled just like regular chair. Okay. Well, that's fun. I found out where she's from. Yeah, she does like good like spoken word on IG and I think that that was great. It was so much better than just like listen to my album or like, you know, just giving

a snippet of the music. Like she, for every song on the album, she did a spoken word piece on. IG that will make people want to go and see more of her. And it's like, oh, like this same content you have in music form. So I got you. So shout out to her. All right. Charity, I'm definitely going to listen to that.

I like lover girl music. You all love a girl, Roi. I am a lover girl. I am a lover girl. I am a lover girl. It's the eyes. Listen, it's the eyelashes. I don't think it's the eyes.

I think it's the eyelashes. That's why I could never be tough. I just have these eyelashes. No one's intimidated. My guy, Reggie, who, everyone in this room at least knows. Reggie was on my first album. He was on a song called Enough with Jay Electronica.

He was one of my favorite new artist in 2021. You know, Reggie took a break at a child and is now releasing incredible music. I've been waiting for this day since 2021 for him to start putting out all the amazing music that I've heard. He's put out three singles in the last three months, all with the same artwork. So I assume this is for a bigger EP or a bigger project.

But congrats, new headstone, and then last week he dropped my favorite record sometimes. That's incredible. So Reggie, all lowercase, R-E-G-G-G-I-E. He was also on my album. I think he's one of the most talented R&B artists, period. Like, he's one of them. He's even one hop cosons. Is he from Brooklyn?

What is he from? No, he's from Houston, Texas. How I even found out about Reggie was, because at the time he was working with Max Cream's camp. So when they told me, yo, we got an artist I think you want to hear. I'm assuming it's, you know, I love Maxo, but I'm assuming it's like some Cripshit. And then like the most beautiful voice of all time comes on. I'm like, oh shit,

all right. He had put out on a record called Southside, which I played on the pod and it was one of my favorite joints that year. Reggie is really, really dope. Directs his own shit. You know, super talented visually as well. I can't say enough about Reggie. His colors performance is incredible. But yeah, he's put music out again, and I couldn't be fucking happy. Fire.

I got to check that out. All right. I'm going to put y'all on to a new movie, holiday time. Unexpected Christmas. Holiday time. I got Lowe, Tabitha Brown, Anna Marie Horstford. I mean, you can't have a black Christmas movie without Anna Marie Horsford. She did all the Fridays.

She was the mom in Friday. I don't know. And I mean, I love Lowe, too. Yeah. Unexpected Christmas. Funny, funny, funny movie. I think everybody will love it. Perfect movie for this time of year.

Definitely give it a watch. And it's, you know, it's a black cast. So we got to support that. Regan Gomez Preston is in it. What's the synopsis? It's the, you know, family time. Everybody come back to the house, you know, secret love affairs and family secrets are revealed. You know that story.

You know that story, Roy. We all know. We all love that movie. Yeah. But this is a good movie. This was a good watch. So if you got some time, definitely check out unexpected Christmas. No, I definitely will.

And yeah, I need a new one in the mix for holiday. Yeah, that's a good movie. This is a good insert. It's been a lot of repeats for a lot of years. Yeah, I definitely need to throw a new one. This felt this is a good insert for a new Christmas movie for sure. Is this a Netflix thing or is this? Prime.

Prime? Okay, I have Prime. Yeah. Check it out on Prime. Unexpected Christmas. And Little Relo, you know, we support Little Relo. Funny guys. So, should I be supposed to have Little Relo in the show.

But was it scheduling or something? I hope we can make. He's busy, man. He probably was shooting this. unexpected Christmas. So very famous working comedian. Yeah. Had shit to do.

Absolutely. Prayers to everyone in Australia. Unfortunately, they had a mass shooting over the weekend. Prayers to the two students at Brown University that lost their lives to another mass shooting and everyone that was injured in both those incidents. It's unfortunate that this continues to be news like that. We're just so used to these things popping up every day in headlines with mass shootings. Like, we say this every time.

So I got nothing at this point. Everyone has to do better. It's gotten crazy. Rest in peace to Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner, his wife. This happened when we were walking in. I saw that he passed. But then I saw on the list that allegedly his son had stabbed both of them. Yes, his son has been arrested.

She just heard about that part. Held on a $4 million bond. So pretty much he's the guy that killed this man. parents. Yeah, that's, that's nuts. But rest and peace to a great director, a great actor, a great writer. Yeah, that's legend. Rob Reiner. That's very, very wild. So, you know, prayers and condolences to everyone, family that was affected by everything that happened this weekend, and we can, um, we can get to voicemails. These are sponsored by Boost. Sorry for putting your name so close to, uh, you know, stuff that's sad. But hopefully we have a voicemail that'll

get the morale up and get us moving. So now my question is Have you ever cut somebody off? Hold on Josh, hold on. What you want for me, man? You see how Rory's whole mood changed when he can't get into a conspiracy? Y'all don't know.

Rory just went on the whole rant and we're not airing it because he went down a whole hole that we wasn't really Wait till I got out of a hole about the Australian shit He was about to But his whole mood just changed

Because we made him shut the fuck Because we made him shut the fuck up and just give prayers and condolences to the victims of such tragic, such a tragic weekend. Oh, I'm sorry, Josh. But yes, let's get into voicemails. All right. So now, my question is, um, uh, have you ever cut somebody off for something that they did to somebody else? Like, not even something they did to you directly. So I have a friend that I grew up with that, you know, he was close and he was actually a good friend.

You know what I'm saying? he was always hold me down anything I needed. You know what I'm saying? Was loyal. You know what I'm saying? Was, you know, somebody I feel like, you know, I could confide into a certain extent. But this nigger was such a liar. Like, when I say liar, I mean, like, little stuff from like, you know,

about his finances or things that he owned or experiences that he's had. He would lie about to, like, bigger stuff. Like, he would lie on his dick when it came to, like, saying he fucked certain girls. And to the point, the last straw was that he lied about an illness he had and everybody was worried thinking something was going to happen to him, come to find out that shit wasn't real. And it got to a certain point, I'm like, you know what,

as much of a good friend as you are and, you know, loyal as you are and all that, I'm like, if I can't trust your word or nothing, like, I can't trust you, and I had to cut them off. So my question is, have y'all ever been in a situation like that where y'all cut somebody off, even though they're good to you, but you cut them off because it's just how they move in general. I've definitely cut people off. Should have cut some niggas off sooner.

I've definitely cut people off for how they move with other people before. But the biggest mistake that I've made more than once, it's not just one person and you guys can't in the comments figure out what I'm talking about because it's been more than once. I have watched people do foul things to other people and thought in my head they won't do that to me and didn't cut them off. Idiot. Yeah, no, I'm well aware of that.

that mistake, I've made it more than once, which I guess at that point is not a mistake. You just need to change your fucking behavior. But yeah, I've definitely thought, yeah, you do that to other people. They would never do that shit to me. Yeah, it happens. Then it just takes a few years. If I see you're a bad friend to other people, I have nothing for you. I get disgusted.

I have nothing for you. I do not do bad people. Like bad people, oh, they would never do that to me or they know better than try that with me. I do not fuck with bad people. When it comes to like, when it comes to men, when it comes to friends, when it comes to anything, if you have bad personality traits and you're a disloyal person, I'm cool. I don't fuck with it. I can't. I feel you.

Because I'm too good of a friend and I have too, like I have amazing fucking friends. I can't have you over here sitting with these amazing ass people when you are fucked up person just because you haven't fucked me over yet. I don't like that. And if I tell you that you did some fucked up shit and you don't know how to take accountability for it and change, nothing for you. Not at this big ass age. Well, sometimes I was always the person that, I don't think the word was naive per se, but I did give my friends a lot of credit and grace of what they were saying to me. I was not the person that would just always question their friends.

So sometimes when I would see foul shit, they'd have an explanation for it. So I'd be like, all right, yeah, because I don't know your character to be that. So, nah. And then, you know, it ended up being like, no, they did that shit. So I've been in that position, too, where I was, you know. but act to being a lover girl, I still want to give my friend's grace and not think everyone's lying.

Like if you're my friend, I don't want to automatically assume you're lying. I don't ever want to be that person. Just because that's happening. You have friends that you know are liars though. Oh, for sure. Like compulsive liars. Now?

Well, I don't know if they're your friends now, but you've had. Oh, for sure. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. No, absolutely. Now I can't, I can't say that to my knowledge.

Yeah. You don't know. But that's what I'm saying. It's been. multiple people that, yes, friends that have been compulsive liars for sure. Yeah. And I've seen them compulsively lie to other people. And I was like, well, you didn't lie to me.

My favorite is when, like, you have one of those friends that are compulsive liars, and they're telling a story to somebody. And you was there when they telling that story. And that's not how it happened. I love those people. I'm like, you know, you should go into film, because that's not. That's not. Yeah, your imagination.

You're a screenwriter? Yeah, you're a screenwriter. The way you just freest out that whole night, like, Like, that did not happen like that. But I love, you know, I love the enthusiasm and the flair that you brought to the story, though. But it's just not true. Yeah. Shit, he was there that one day in L.A., right?

Then we got the story back. And he was like, that did not, I was standing there. That did not happen. In L.A. One of my ex-compulsive liar friends had turned a whole story around about how our interaction went. Oh, yes. Yes. It was like, wait.

Did not happen like that. What? Yeah, it did not happen like that. I was right there. Yeah. Yeah. those people off, man. You got to get away from people like that. Yeah, because it will bleed over. There's some way of line about your ass too.

I think people like that at some point when you become a way, you become expendable to continue with their compulsive lying. They will eventually do that to you. Even if right now, they're only lying to other people or being foul to other people. At some point, your time will come because they have to continue this behavior throughout this because they're burning bridge after bridge you're going to be the last bridge left and then you'll have to, that's all they know. Absolutely.

So, you know, leave, leave those people alone. Get rid of them lying-ass friends. Also get rid of people who are not okay with confrontation. Get rid of people who are afraid of confrontation. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, why you want to get rid of people that's afraid of confrontation? Afraid of conference. I don't even want to say confrontation or conflict.

Like people who avoid like where, when, when you're, there is an issue. And if you, like, try to talk about the issue, they clam up those people, but they feel comfortable being passive aggressive or talking about it, like, behind your back. You're going, dumb people, nah, don't, what you're afraid of? Like, what, I'm not going to hit you. What are you afraid of? Let's talk about shit.

Let's not go through this person and what this person said, they don't really want to talk. Now, what's the issue? Because when you approach a person like that, they can't lie. They can make themselves feel like the better person when they're talking to other people, but they can't lie to you when you know what the fuck is going on. Like, what's really the issue? I don't like people like. like that. I don't do passive aggressive. I'm just

aggressive. Let's talk about what the fuck it is. Or that passive aggressive shit. I don't like that shit. I was like, do you need to lie to your friends? I lie to my friends sometimes, but there's just some shit. Okay, but I'm talking about like, not, not, my phone was on Do Not Disturb and I was taking a vow of silence over the weekend type of lie. Like, that's fine. You can have

that type of lie. But like really lying to your friend. Some things are not. I'm just glad you said it because I wanted to say it maybe but I wasn't going to say it. It was too easy give a callback. I do believe that DeMaris did that over the weekend. I really do believe that. I'm saying certain things is not your friend's business. I don't believe she was alone. I believe she was alone. Yeah. It's great. I believe she was. Why? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Don't do that. I say,

I believe you was home. Don't do that. I just said I was alone. Don't do that. I don't know for sure. Sometimes, sometimes I don't know for sure. I don't know what you're doing. I didn't speak to you since Thursday. I don't know what you did. Just how many people listen to this motherfucker podcast. I was alone. But DeMaris, I don't know that. I'm saying I don't think you were alone. I think she I don't know what she was doing. I think she was alone. Thank you. Okay, cool.

I actually believe. I was really just making a callback joke fucking around. A lot of people hear this podcast. The point of like why I love Demaris as a friend is that I, like, I can tell her the truth about everything. Because there's certain shit I want to keep to myself, but you got to speak to people about it sometimes. Like when you've gone through something, like, you don't need to lie to your friends. That's why they're your friends. Tell them the truth.

Yeah. They'll hold it down if it's foul too. And if you're friends. You know, I did this. All right. You're stupid. Thank you for telling me. How do we get you out of this?

quiet, if your friends that talk all the time suddenly get quiet, it's because they don't want to lie to you. They'd rather be quiet than lie to you. Yeah. Rory goes missing, I'd be like, he doing some shit. He don't want to explain to me. And that's fine. I'll be here when he's ready to talk. No, I was taking a vow of silence in my house. Oh, okay. Yeah, I bet. You wasn't alone either, right? I was not alone this weekend. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I was alone, but, okay. I have Mara every day. Oh. That's day one. That's they won. That's they what I do that. No, you're right. You're right. But that's not a lie. You're a great

and present dad. That's not what I'm trying to get at. No, no, no, no. Sometimes I don't want to be as present. No, no, listen, I get it. I get it. Sometimes I'm just like, ew. I'm not fighting you. I'm not the IRS. I'm not going to fight you. This is why you're my friend. I can tell you the truth. Sometimes I'm like, yo, I don't want to be as present. I don't want to be a good dad. Like, I hear my daughter crying. Sometimes I'm exhausted. Yeah. No, I feel you. I definitely feel you on that. All right, baby, D. Well, I was glad we got you got you out your layer. And you finished your Lucifer

ritual and watching whatever it was that you were watching. I got blackout curtains, too. Yeah, I mean, I understand. This is something about, you know, just a gray weekend and blackout curtains. You missed it. I was so excited when I woke up Sunday morning and looked out my window and saw the snow. Were you? Yeah.

I got from upstate New York. I was like, oh. This ain't shit. Yeah. Yeah, but the last like, I don't know, five to seven years, we haven't gotten crazy. Like, we've had a few snowstorms. But when I was a kid, it fucking snowed all winter. Yeah.

Yeah. Level warming, baby. Welcome. So, yeah, I was really excited to see the snow. Well, listen, I'm happy you got to see some snow. I'm happy baby D. got to, you know, do what she do. Let me see it, Eric Adams. The white stuff coming.

Okay. He said the white stuff is coming. No, Eric Adams is going out with the bank. He was, was he on like the Coney Island, Coney Island Boardwalk? You know, that white stuff coming through. Nah, he got to stop. He has to stop. He knows what he doing.

Yeah, at this point, he knows what he does. He took, what $12 million. out he about to retire to the sunset and say whatever the fuck he wants. Yeah, he knows. I admire that man now. I was angry before, but that's, that's a good business plan. All right, well, listen, baby Dee. It's good seeing you. Yeah, we got some shit to talk about off air. Yeah, wrap this up. Oh, yeah, that is true. Oh, shit. Okay, I don't know what we got to talk about, but fuck it. Let's go. All right, y'all, be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. This is an I-heart podcast. Guaranteed human.